2┃build-planning

[past veldt]

https://mobalytics.gg/poe-2/profile/pathofevening/builds/poisonburst-arrow-pathfinder
https://mobalytics.gg/poe-2/builds/poison-bleedsplosion-pathfinder-destroys-everything-uber-endgame-to-starter-build-guide
Hey guys,
can someone explain me the main difference of this builds and which one is clearly stronger? i wanted to play pathfinder poison and found these two, im kinda new to PF and dont know anything about poison skills either

[silver urchin]

Could be

[magic pier]

it'll probably be one of the better builds because of the -50% move speed penalty while attacking PF can get

[ruby mauve]

thats what i was tthinking this is a pob i made, things will change though with new tree https://maxroll.gg/poe2/pob/vn3y70yj

i feel like i can definitely still improve damage too

[tropic dust]

is there any recommend league start bloodmage build .. wanted to play spear build on bm

[dreamy bridge]

I think the simplest will be EDC

[teal dock]

I wanna see what blackflame covenant does to Volcano

[dreamy bridge]

It'll turn into Dantos in V Rising

[analog glacier]

Is there a rf-like build in poe2?

[dreamy bridge]

so far, not really

[silver urchin]

Just the burning elephant

Or Thorns if you count that

[dreamy bridge]

https://poe.ninja/poe2/builds/abyss/character/Painstaking-3112/Zumza?i=0&search=skills%3DRavenous%2BSwarm%26sort%3Dehp
This one uses the swarm pretty well, but looks expensive to work

[civic flame]

Has a video gameplay for this build??

[dreamy bridge]

I don't know. Only checked poe ninja

[craggy tiger]

SPell totems apparently do not have a less damage deal with they do in poe1. Only issue is the charges needed to summon them. But i think spell totem going to be epic in poe2. I just wonder if they will eb able to use channeling spells like ember and bone storm. idk what will be great. But spell totem is def on my radar. Maybe exsanguinate totem.

[silver urchin]

Spell totems can use channeled skills in POE1, I don't think they would change that part of them

[midnight bolt]

can devs do math? this is so stupid

[silver urchin]

If you have 100 charges:
Ambrosia 1 gives you 28% damage
Ambrosia 2 grants 35% damage
2 costs more for more damage, checks out for me

[midnight bolt]

you consume 20% more charges to go from 28% to 35% nobody gonna use it

[silver urchin]

If you're not using your mana flask much then it's free

[midnight bolt]

ye but you cant even buff the skill 3 times in a boss fight with that, idk the math is just not checking out here, bad desiggn

[silver urchin]

Not all gems are for all situations

Use a different skill or support for bosses

[celest oxide]

What are the odds that shapeshifting sucks

Like melee spears did in 0.2 or at least levelling with them

[hybrid ocean]

What's a good way to dissipate heat for using rapid shot?

[uncut bay]

funny because melee spears were by far the best leveling build in 0.2

high chance at least one shapeshoftimg form is mediocre

[normal prawn]

Dash forward. Turn. Dash bavkwards. Turn. Dash forwards. Tur...

[dreamy bridge]

feels like wolf will be great for leveling

wondering if there'll be a spirit gem for shapeshifts. surely there's one or two new caster spirit gems

Sinister Quarterstaff now has 12% critical hit chance (previously 11.5%), and now deals 55-91 damage (previously 55-92)
the most significant tradeoff in stats

[silver urchin]

Those are the best changes tbh

[quiet vale]

Is there any material difference in how you scale spell totems vs self cast spell? Other than the available totem nodes on tree? Ie your spell damage scaling is the same on weapon affixes etc?

[silver urchin]

As far as I know it's the same

[marsh oyster]

Not sure of the validity of this image(from reddit) but it does seem to have the less multiplier

[craggy tiger]

I saw that. 13% less. But power charges Trump that. And poe1 was like 50% less. But nore totems. Warbringer also get +1 totem

[marsh oyster]

Fair enough

It sucks that those benefits are only up to the amount of charges you consume and not the ones you have

[silver urchin]

That's POE2 for you

[static torrent]

It's from the website.

So it's accurate, at least as far as what GGG has shown.

[silver anvil]

Are there benefits to choosing Amazon instead of Deadeye for Lightning Spear? People swear by the Deadeye and I understand the clearspeed portion of the argument, as far as it goes, but I generally try my best to play "lore accurate" base character + weapon type.

Looking on poeninja I see a lot of bloodmages too. What's the benefit for those?

[silver urchin]

Amazon will be fine, don't worry too much

[silver anvil]

it's not that

i'm not looking for validation/affirmation on what i want to play

genuinely looking for comparison/information

and i guess one thing i see about amazon is the lack of defensive layers, especially on the ascendencies which seems to be a common thing that keeps a build from truly being a good well-rounder, and forcing it into a pure map blaster type of thing?

not sure if I can do something with the Stalking Panther node? Equip a nice defensive chest like Lightning Coil. How high does evasion rating on helm/gloves/boots even go and is it worth it?

[uncut bay]

I am sure you will be okay, I believe in you! don't worry! you got this!
on the serious note, amazon is bonkers, in 0.3 you could be nearly invincible as amazon, in 0.4 they are gonna nerf ghost dance, but it doesn't cancel the fact that stalking panther is op

hahah yeah man I would never pick deadeye over amazon for a bow or a spear build

[silver anvil]

oh nice okay that's a build direction i can look into then

[uncut bay]

basically your helmet, boots and gloves base evasion is doubled, every evasion buff applies on top of that

so you can easily have over 80% evasion and deflect in a budget build

I am sure you can get up to 90% with enough investment

just watch the conner's amazon guide for 0.3

the second upside here is the pure ES chest, you can easily buff ES if all your ES comes from the chest

[silver anvil]

seeing someone make it work is good, means i can safely yolo and have a fall back on

[dreamy bridge]

and if it still doesn't work, you have someone to blame other than yourself

[teal pollen]

So wording of the new titan mountain splitter is weird, do they mean just 3 additional aftershocks or do they mean 3 infort, 3 to one side and 3 to the other?

[hoary bolt]

should be 1 in front and 1 on each side

3 total

[teal pollen]

ah okay

trying to decide on whether to use Titan or Shaman for bear form build

i just want to charge around crushing things in my path

but its deciding between the easy rage generation or extra aftershocks and small passive buffs

[hoary bolt]

depends on how much you want to hinge on ancestral cry/walking calamity

[silver urchin]

Titan will definitely be good
Shaman might be bad, or might be OP

[hoary bolt]

I think rampage is just as good and doesnt need any glory

just rage

[teal pollen]

rampage is the skill i want to use as my main skill but unsure whether it counts as a slam

[hoary bolt]

it does

[silver urchin]

Yeah wasn't that the specific thing they were showing off in the footage

Well I guess not THE thing, but one of

[teal pollen]

Yeah, what was the wording of the mountain splitter before last nights changes, has it been buffed or nerfed since last night?

[hoary bolt]

i think it was just wording clarification

it said 1 aftershock before

[teal pollen]

ah that makes sense

[silver urchin]

Either that, or it was described as a 2-point node and not a 4-point node

IDK which

[teal pollen]

I think druid will be a waste for me as I have no interest in wyvern or wolf just bear, and Im not one for spell casting

[west wharf]

titan is the safer choice; druid if you kinda have fun fumbling around at league start

shaman's choices for pure attack setups don't look too great

spell dmg from rage obviously mediocre; the rage gen is gated behind it

[normal prawn]

Titan bear or stormweaver storms sound fun to me

[west wharf]

apocalypse or w/e it's called doesn't have full uptime presumably

if you're playing an attack build that isn't able to clear the screen during its downtime then your build just aint great

[teal pollen]

Im changing my ways, I am mainly a flicker strike builder ive done it for like 4 different classes🤣

[west wharf]

the charm spirit looks very mediocre; rite of passage is near mandatory later, playing without util of anti-slow charm feels ass, and fireflower+ngamahu combo may end up bis

[teal pollen]

Ive never played warrior, if the titan screen clears good?

[west wharf]

yeah

tons of aoe in the warrior area amped by hulking form

[teal pollen]

you have converted me to a titan player now

[west wharf]

titan's just a really safe class

[hoary bolt]

titan is the goat ascendancy imo

[west wharf]

it doesn't have much special to it, but it basically can't be bad

[teal pollen]

I am trying to convince a friend to play storm stormweaver because i think its going to be a kind of auto bomber

[silver urchin]

Titan is based

[teal pollen]

how tanky is it?

[silver urchin]

It would be the most active autobomber

Just a bomber

[hoary bolt]

titan has 15% more life and 50% more armour from chest

[west wharf]

as far as life builds go relatively tanky, since it has life and armour perks on top of hulking form buffing armour nodes, armour to ele nodes, etc

[hoary bolt]

when combined with hulking form you have more armour than any other class

[teal pollen]

cant take those nodes if im running aftershock and hulking form

[west wharf]

it inevitably won't be as good at handling oneshots as like ES stacking liches by right of having smaller ehp pool but

on SC for most intents and purposes you feel very durable

on HC it's not as popular; there's basically noone on top ladder that plays pure life builds on HC

[hoary bolt]

no block due to talismans is kind of shit though

[teal pollen]

Okay brill, I mean i played Tactitian leage start last patch armour stacking and that felt really tanky

[hoary bolt]

i understand the reasoning for the limitation, but meh

[west wharf]

oya if you played an armour tact it won't feel drastically different, just a lot more life and no natural deflect% from armour

no pin quality of life but generally much higher dmg + aoe

[teal pollen]

I didnt have deflect from armour, just armour and elemental armour and that was it

pin was probably the thing that made it feel so saf

[west wharf]

then yea it'll feel like the same shit except you have like 500-1k more life

[teal pollen]

Damn Im excited now playing a whole new way of playing haha

only time i have used any warrior skills was when i tried to make a warrior blood mage for bleeed

[hoary bolt]

completely unrelated, but bleed spear feels so insanely comfy. Just wish the single target was better in endgame

[teal pollen]

that lasted about 3 maps and i couldnt be assed making it work 🤣

[west wharf]

it's a great class to try stuff out; titan can run like 50 different builds off nearly the identical skill tree

cus it just generally gives a bunch of damage and coverage

[uncut bay]

titan is booooring

[hoary bolt]

ur boring m80

[west wharf]

it's a bit boring if you like cooking really specific interactions

cus it's just generic stats for the most part

[teal pollen]

I played amazon in 0.2 and i just got bored throwing spears🤣

[hoary bolt]

titan is good at that too

hulking form is great at scaling niche tree passives

[uncut bay]

hey! I have played a different version of deadeye lightning arrow each league!

[hoary bolt]

such as reduced duration

[teal pollen]

I like to be able to press one or 2 buttons and the screen explodes

and it has to be explodes it cant just be it just dies

[uncut bay]

just play deadeye lightning arrow guys

[hoary bolt]

speaking of unfathomably boring

[silver urchin]

Or passives with rare stats, like leech speed

[teal pollen]

Just playing Invoker flicker strike

its going to be easier than ever with the 50% meta res

Invoker flicker strike is like gambling every time you hit the skill, will you wont you end up in the middle of a bunch of enemies and get one shot

[west wharf]

i rly want to see the #s on deadeye's new mirage thing

[hoary bolt]

btw on thet topic of bleed spear, I realized today that Rapid Assault combines all spearhead explosions into a single hit for the purposes of ailments

kind of insane considering they're also buffing the explosion by 2x

[uncut bay]

jokes aside I am thinking maybe to play bloodmage spark this league? this wouldn't be boring

[hoary bolt]

at gem level 20 its a 2720% damage explosion

[west wharf]

lowkey 0.4 looks like a really solid league for melee spear and qstaff, given all the ms, ms penalty, accu stack AS nerfs

[uncut bay]

primal strikes is buffed btw, looks great

[west wharf]

melee spear and qstaff dmg/mobility untouched or buffed across the board

[uncut bay]

I did a primal strikes build in 0.2 I had a blast

[hoary bolt]

also rapid assault makes aggravation easy as hell

[west wharf]

is disengage a set distance regardless of ur as/ms?

[uncut bay]

set

[west wharf]

how many metres is it?

ish

[hoary bolt]

its a pretty solid distance

5?

[west wharf]

does it count as a leap?

dunno if jumps are characterised as leaps lmao

[woven depot]

[west wharf]

nvm holy descent supports it it's gotta be a leap

i wonder if that new leap explodey support will be any good

[hoary bolt]

it is yes

[woven depot]

it being base corpse % makes me think it could be

had it just been 6% corpse hp it wouldve been soo ass

[west wharf]

i'm a huge fan of holy descent utility; i wonder if any cool leap-primary builds will pop up this league with other forms of movement nerfed

actually i wonder if u can seamlessly like throw a grenade -> disengage with no delay

[hoary bolt]

well it has a 1.5s cd

[west wharf]

you do stack a decent bit of cd on grenade builds anyhow tbf

and could crest of ardura with the spear

[hoary bolt]

thats true

even stampede is solidly quick with ms/as investment

[west wharf]

the distance isn't as much as i hoped but it does work

you can instacancel grenade with disengage

lowkey this is rly hilarious

i might do this early league

LMAO

i mean..

[woven depot]

yea this is it

the league starter

[west wharf]

tyty

i knew someone else would see the genius

12 hours of backflipping through campaign 1 metre at a time

[woven depot]

lowkey looks like your movespeed is faster than the disengage animation

[west wharf]

my ms is like 10x it

[woven depot]

yea this is peak

[woven depot]

oh its on this character lmao

[west wharf]

but there's no backflips

[silver urchin]

Explosive Spear says:

Ignited Ground Ignites enemies as though dealing the explosion's damage
Does that mean that if the explosion crits, the ignited ground will deal more damage? Or just that the ignite's damage is based on the attack damage of the explosion?

I think the latter. And even if I do crit, I suppose that the primary target will get ignited by that anyway.

[west wharf]

i assume it does; crits impact ailments

[silver urchin]

When applied to an enemy yeah, but this seems weird

[west wharf]

at least from the wording i don't see why it'd be calculated differently from an ignite applied by the explosive spear itself

but who knows

[silver urchin]

If it does work, then that changes all of my plans. lol

[neon bone]

Would I be able to make a poison druid build?

[silver urchin]

Maybe

[woven depot]

probably, don’t see why not

but at that point probably better to play pathfinder so you can access both the poison nodes and the shapeshift nodes

[silver urchin]

Depends on what Druid's passives look like

[autumn egret]

whats better for an aurabot league start. ritualist or lich?

[midnight bolt]

chronomancer

[uncut bay]

I'd say ritualist myself, much more rarity

but I don't see the point in a character that doesn't deal damage

[autumn egret]

yea i'm leaning towards ritualist

chronomancer does sound MORE fun though

[dreamy bridge]

chrono lets you za warudo, then you can build CDR to za warudo even more. plus her curse gives 50% more hit DPS without adding curse limit

https://www.pathofexile.com/forum/view-thread/3801311

the third honourable mention of the build showcase is a support chrono

[upper portal]

Which class is everyone excited about for 0.4? (Excluding Druid)

[formal geyser]

Honestly witch hunter got a fat survivability buff, so I think I'll try that in HC

[winter vine]

Hey guys can you stack multiple living bombs on same target ?

[robust wigeon]

Hi, I'm looking for a fast build with teleports or movement abilities. I played a bit huntress with rake and disengage and I was wonderig if there is something similar.

If I don't find anything else I will probably run that again, but I would like to try something new.

[silver urchin]

I don't believe so

[silver urchin]

I don't remember the name of it, but there's a spear skill where you spin once and move forward as you do so, that one is pretty good.

[tulip fog]

how much minion movement speed can you get from passives and/or gear? there is a minion i want to use that has very bad movespeed, id rather not have to do weaponswap to resummon them constantly

[uncut bay]

we have flicker and lightning warp

[tulip fog]

wish there was a unique item that gave minions same movespeed as the player

[uncut bay]

I am just curious, what do you like about an aurabot build?

[robust wigeon]

is flicker only endgame or does it came online during the campaign?

lightning warp I am not familiar iwth

[robust wigeon]

It seems lightning warp is also late game

[silent prawn]

You can play it once unlocked. But to have it sustainable it takes some currency. Yet I don't think there is power charge sustain indefinitely yet

[civic lion]

Hi, I played POE first time in 0.3 POE 2 as frozen mandibles witch, I don't know a lot of about game I look build and copy it. Which character should I start in 0.4? Can you advise me thanks.

[midnight bolt]

is this still in the game?(for tame beast)

[latent dawn]

no

[craggy tiger]

well, ithink i am going to go spell totem gemmling. Using profane ritual or wyvern to eat my minions. I wonder if profane ritual can be cast form a totem, to give the player charges. then you oculd have a two button build, one totem for making charges, one for your spell.......LOL. This kids, is why you should NOT stay up late

[bright pine]

I'm not so convinced by it tbh

[latent dawn]

actually maybe it still is, been trying to find the patch notes I thought I remembered and cant find anything about it~

[craggy tiger]

Well i just figured it out, go shaman, for passive rage regen, then hateforge gloves, gain random charges when rage is full. use totems, nuke enemy. sadly gloves are level 60. but will work

[latent dawn]

also not a lot available early and expensive

[winter vine]

can we see anywhere druid ascendancies ?

[craggy tiger]

poe2db

[winter vine]

tyvm sir

[craggy tiger]

can see new gems and ascendancies and items

you're welcome

[latent dawn]

some info missing in the ascendancies, waiting on ggg to release the passive tree and full ascendancy info

[craggy tiger]

click druid, then it has several boxes, the last one will pull up a picture of teh two ascendacies, though not fully complete

all info subject to change by launch.....lol

[winter vine]

perfect those ascendancies arent for me its gonna be falling thunder invoker

[spare grove]

I think one of the GGG mods has said the ascendencies passives have already changed since they sent out those photos to the press.

[solemn marlin]

is lightning spear the best leveling setup for spears?

[midnight bolt]

How are caultrops for bossing now? are they good dps

[silent matrix]

errrm, is pob2 bugged for block calc? I put a shield on, in calcs it says base is 20 but max is 0, so it overrides block chance to 0%?

or am i missing something?

wtf, it works when I put on the anvil amulet?

lol I have to manually put "+75% to maximum Block chance" into custom settings

[craggy tiger]

Well i am sure things change up to the last second. Idgaf about the "economy". I am a filthy scrub. Probably play in thr league...maybe. or just play on standard. I watch my roommate grind out 16 hours on his days off. For kings march gold and the "economy". Campaign good, early mapping good. Anything beyond. Waste of time, since it will get wiped.

I am still hoping to see more analytics of how many people play past thr campaign, when they reach certain levels. Etc.

[honest ether]

do we know if the wolf form of the druid generates rage?

or is that solely the bear that can do that

[unreal girder]

it does not

[honest ether]

dang ty

[unreal girder]

at least not from any info we have which is most of it

[honest ether]

so shaman is pretty much the bear ascendancy

[unreal girder]

kitava

[honest ether]

well actually

u can just generate rage through the support gems on skills no?

[unreal girder]

plenty of ways to generate rage

[pliant solar]

Plan to play permafrost + frag rounds
The question is how do I deal single target damage? Clearing is fine, but single target struggles

[unreal girder]

but obviously shaman is gonna be very good a it

[carmine flicker]

wolf attack with melee attacks
that can generate rage with nodes and all

[honest ether]

u would have to ask in the church of your respective ascendancy i think theyd help better

[fossil flint]

melee skills can get rage support gems; also you can get rage on melee hit on jewels and on the passive tree

[pliant solar]

in a what

[honest ether]

#1323952474817560648

[pliant solar]

oh there are subsections in that channel

[honest ether]

if u aren't going witchhunter then in #1308715058716610580 u can type church and look for the ascendancy u want

[pliant solar]

didnt know

[honest ether]

yea was just wondering if theres a clear skill through it but it might just be normals

[quartz pewter]

The Shaman spellcaster looks like it will spend rage to cast spells, the higher the rage the extra spell damage get's added

Might be doo doo who knows

[carmine flicker]

why bother with separate skill when you can get jewel mod and solve it?

[honest ether]

i'd need like 30 basic attack to max it thats why

[carmine flicker]

get more than one rage per hit, it's not hard

[honest ether]

was thinking of going all in on the druid after all just deciding on ascendancy i would take

[carmine flicker]

with 3 rage per attack it's 10 attacks and that's not that much, also you probably are capped during clearing, unless you AFK often

[honest ether]

thats true

[quartz pewter]

I foresee you just running around casting aoe spell with rage as a Shaman.... it looks like it will have built in rage generation.. no need to build itt yourself

Cause increases and decreases to mana generation applies to rage

[honest ether]

oh right

forgot shaman auto generates it

[carmine flicker]

I don't like the whole "build pack" minigame with marks etc, but it's smth you should do non-stop to keep up anyway

[quartz pewter]

So like.. Shaman will cast spells with rage.. then you use MoM as defense

cause you don't use mana any more

And probably get Chaos Innoculation lol

[silver urchin]

?

[carmine flicker]

I hope druid will have smth cool defensive in ascendancies

[quartz pewter]

You cast spells with rage with the ascendancy

So you no long use mana

[carmine flicker]

doesn't it keep mana cost, just adds rage?

[silver urchin]

It said it gives non-default-attack skills +5 rage cost, I don't remember it saying instead?

[wispy fjord]

do you guys think we will get any more patch notes regarding the tree/ascendancies or do we just gotta wait till release now?

[silver urchin]

I wouldn't expect any but maybe

[quartz pewter]

I'll have to look at it again but I am pretty sure your casting "spells" with rage.. not attack spells

keyword is spells

[carmine flicker]

we will 100% get buffed/nerfed spectre list
probably druid ascendancy nodes
before league I mean

[silver urchin]

You will still need mana

(If this is not changed)

[honest ether]

i just tried to go look at that myself lol

i mean i think it is fine either way u can amp that and get more layering with waveshaper body

[quartz pewter]

ah nm then.. that sucks lol

[honest ether]

do we know what this node is or no

[silver urchin]

no

[honest ether]

im gonna guess maybe something to do with bonus dmg of the respective element

[celest blaze]

If a CI character wanted to regen ES through frequent, low-damage hits, what would be the best way (outside of an ascendancy class)?

I saw someone talking about "Divine Shield" but I don't know what that is really

[hexed vessel]

anyone tell me if cast on ailment is worth doing if you just use fire please?
planning a smith fire spellon hit build

never used cast on ailment, does it gain energy once per mob per ignite? or can you gain multiple charges from the same mob if you ignite again

[carmine patrol]

Is it possible to display skill id in path of building ? (Don't have to an official id, pob I'd would be enough)

[celest blaze]

I mean... it depends?

Ignite is currently pretty ass generally, and the "massive new nodes" are supposedly mostly down in Merc area from the Q&A apparently

[carmine patrol]

Like in a skill tooltip or something

[pliant solar]

these class churches are dead channels sadly

[celest blaze]

This one is pretty dead, and General / Early access is on off-topic cesspool

[pliant solar]

Is parry honestly a bait? I tried to make it work last league and couldn't, it was too clunky and payoff was miniscule

[quartz pewter]

They'll be alive when the league starts

[celest blaze]

Yes. It is now going to be slightly less clunky and the payoff slightly less miniscule.

If you really love the idea, feel free to play around but I do not expect it to be good in any way

[pliant solar]

I'd play it if only it wasn't 3 button build

[hexed vessel]

thats fine i dont mind going that way in the tree, just wanna try and make fissure spell on hit work even if its not meta. just wanna make hit spell go brrr

[pliant solar]

I'm fine with 2, but 3rd button is too much

is there any way to automate some part of it into 2 buttons?

right now its Parry -> Disengage -> Charge spender

[celest blaze]

yeah it triggers CoC pretty reliably, if you have something decent to do with it. With the hybrd nature of Druid getting some spell support (in skills, Asc, and the tree) it could be really good*

*(not meta, but good)

[celest blaze]

Don't think so, but Parry/Disengage is pretty low-overhead, like using a movement skill really

I was very interested in as something I could do to buff my totems, back when totems were worth doing

[pliant solar]

wdym exactly by low-overhead

[celest blaze]

Disengage in particular didn't feel very intrusive to me, personally, because it helped me to reposition. Felt a bit like PoE1 whirling blades, but a bit clunkier

not like my godawful Resonating Shield > Sunder > Perfect strike (with timing ugh) > Infernal Cry > Shield Wall combo, for instance

And Parry should be a bit less awful to set up, based on the patch notes

What did y'all do last league?

I was Resonating Shield / Fortifying Cry / Shield Wall last season, and it was lots of fun and I want to explore the same sort of thing again.

They're usually warriors (Smith of Kitava, Titan, or Warbringer all work) but I'm a hipster, sooo. I started off as Blood Mage, which worked but kinda sucked and doing almost anything else as a blood mage would have been better.

Then I went Gemling Legionnaire, and I was quite happy with it. I tweaked it to use Rage to bypass Resonating Sheld cooldowns which worked great, and I could do all map mods and content with it (including 150 shard Simulacrum). I have full Atlas Map points, but I haven't tried Uber Arbiter or Kulemak yet. I used Thaumaturgic Dynamism (which NO one uses) to consistently generatte Endurance charges to bypass needing to do Perfect Strike in my bossing combo, and it was great.

I could do the same thing again, because it got straght-buffs (I'll have more max res and generate charges faster), but I'm thinking new ways of Endurance charges would let me generate without Dynamism so I can go Kitava or Shaman maybe.

[pliant solar]

I was Resonating Shield / Fortifying Cry / Shield Wall last season, and it was lots of fun and I want to explore the same sort of thing again.

actually same

started this blindly it was a top tier build

which is called "carn build" now

but for this you are not waiting for mobs to hit you and some mobs are insanely slow attacking

[celest blaze]

Hrm I knew it became pretty meta, there's apparently a Kitava league start Moba build for it: https://mobalytics.gg/poe-2/builds/shield-wall-league-starter?ws-ngf5-f7d82102-7e77-4a44-ad24-33b67e8ae7bf=activeVariantId%2C03553194-c29a-4b45-9c0e-401915a3314d

[pliant solar]

smith is op honestly, so many buffs

you get 2700 body armour if you spend 8 points into it

[celest blaze]

neat!

Yeah it's really hard to argue with Kitava. I am so ass with Perfect Strike though and I'd get killed trying to set up my mega-boss-whomp

[hexed vessel]

im ready to smith

fissure slaming for on hit to cast spells

might stampede with fissures

[pliant solar]

for comparison highest rolled armour on the market is 3000 armour right now

[celest blaze]

which is why I went Thamaturgical Dynamism with all strength gems (which is what I was using anyway), starting boss fights with 3 Endy charges every time is money

or if you go the "Max Fire Res" route you can be 90% res all very very easily

[pliant solar]

not easily anymore, but yeah

[celest blaze]

One Time Lost gem in a good spot and you're good to go

[pliant solar]

honestly you dont need max res as much anymore with how well armour as ele works now

[celest blaze]

very true yes. I'm still learning the ways.

[pliant solar]

and you're even more incentivized to stack armour for that armour as chaos node

plus poison immune, bleed immune, ignite immune

crit immune

[celest blaze]

I'm also very entertained by the notion of Scold's Bridle and Shaman, unless they add a cap you should be able to attain a constant -100+ less elemental damage taken pretty easily, and take up to 76% of phys damage as Ele damage

[celest blaze]

yeaht that chaos node is so good

[hexed vessel]

this part of the tree giving armour also applies to elemental damage is real nice

small nodes are 5% as well and 10%+ armour

[celest blaze]

My main issue with Kitava is that I can't really use (the now buffed!) cloak of flame with it, my beloved

[pliant solar]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/654587455823020032/1412184980146098357/image.png?ex=6937e980&is=69369800&hm=d6ded4506ae70488f439f3f7268eef997af648bcacf7a14ab208f5d3c5073f61&=&format=webp&quality=lossless&width=916&height=228

this was my early red maps armour

last league

its so strong

[celest blaze]

Yeah I was debating going Smith with 0 ponits in the chest armor thing. 90% all res, and (free) fire spells on melee hit seems great. I was thinking Detonate Dead.

Manifest Weapon may be a neat cull-bot maybe, or I could just go the two small nodes for 20 melee damage and 5% life or w/e it is I guess

[hexed vessel]

bossing i was thinking living bomb since its getting buffed

[pliant solar]

they buffed fire spell on hit a lot

its 200% inc damage now

[celest blaze]

wow, yeah, I didn't really invest in armor like that. Just the armor from my shield was pretty impressive in conjunction with CoF though

[cerulean kraken]

The Molten One's Gift
Fully Broken Armour effects also apply to Fire Damage Taken from Hits
Anyone know how this interacts with allies?
If I break a monster's armour, would an ally/minion do more fire damage with hits against the monster?
Alternatively, if a minion/ally breaks armour on a monster, do my fire hits automatically gain the benefit?

[honest grail]

kitava isn't an armour stacking angle even with the +armour on the body nodes

[hexed vessel]

wondering how much i can proc on hit with earthshatter + fissures

[pliant solar]

for pure stacking of course not

but its a lot of armour now

[honest grail]

it's not enough to make armour applies to ele mods worth their opportunity cost

[celest blaze]

Yeah, if the armor is broken, it is for everybody / everything

[honest grail]

as someone else said 90% res is still really easy

[pliant solar]

strong disagree on this one

[honest grail]

then you don't know how armour applying to ele works lol

[pliant solar]

I'd argue smith is even better for it because of 25% of phys taken as fire node

[cerulean kraken]

Okay, so you need to break the armour? Then everyone benefits

[celest blaze]

Right. 30K armor is more than enough with the 25% "taken as fire" node.

As I understand it, this makes the armor apply twice, and to smaller total numbers, which is fantastic due to the way the formula goes

[celest blaze]

nah, if your minion manage it applies to everyone too. It's a debufff

[pliant solar]

yes you want to slice your damage into portions so armour would work better and thats exctly what this node does

[honest grail]

I played 0.3 without stacking any armour and just the 25% phys as fire + some on shield and could already tank all big phys slams and such

[bright pine]

it's possible to go 90 max res in lategame but before then defo best to skip max res node

[honest grail]

You can get 90 pretty quickly

I had everything I needed for it before getting 4th asc lol

[pliant solar]

then you get 100% reduced crit damage and defend with 200% of armour against crits
and now you have mobs critting doing less damage on you than normal hits effectively making crit mods on maps a positive

[celest blaze]

yeah, a fully corrupted Cloak of Flame is now 61% "phys damage taken as Fire". Combined with Shaman Ascendancy, you could take 76% (!) of phys damage as elemental damage, chopped into three different parts.

[bright pine]

depends how fast u are ya, and it's not necessarily worth all the investment for it early on

[celest blaze]

It's very strong yes

[honest grail]

people just copy pasted build guides with infernoclasp and the old 5% node in 0.2 and never looked at all the other/new sources you got in 0.3

[bright pine]

phys dmg is generally more scary in this game than ele for mapping

[honest grail]

it's 100% worth the investment asap

[honest grail]

this is also wrong

[bright pine]

no it's not

that's just wrong

[celest blaze]

yeah, the 200% armor on crits is fun but probably a bit unnecessary lol

[honest grail]

small amount of armour handles all small hits, there are so few big phys slams and they're all dodgeable lol

[pliant solar]

I think its mandatory honestly, its too good

[hexed vessel]

smith immune to crits now?

[honest grail]

and you can handle them anyway with a normal amount of life, 25% phys as fire and a pdr mod

[celest blaze]

added ele damage and -player resist / ele pen is what gets you killed in juiced maps, generally.

[pliant solar]

buffed 50% node to 100%

[honest grail]

I tanked all the xesht stuff on my smith

[celest blaze]

for a single point yeah. AND 200 armor.

[honest grail]

yeah everyone that cries about dying to phys slams is running maps with double added extra dmg mods and -res/pen lol

like bro you did not die to the phys damage

[hexed vessel]

very nice for one point

[bright pine]

not true

[honest grail]

yeah crit immunity is giga, saves two sockets generally

[celest blaze]

which I like to run, so yes lol

I love running the absolute nastiest mapmods without reading them, I'll take that over full screen clear any day

[west wharf]

i assume there'll be a cooldown on how quickly you can generate the charges

[honest grail]

pull us up some mobs from poedb with big phys slams then

[west wharf]

scold's for ele immunity is a bit too obvious for them to have missed it

[bright pine]

like I said 90 max res can be good but in most cases you are much better off delaying the investment for it

[honest grail]

I wish kitava got a curse effect reduction node as well

[celest blaze]

that was one of the reason I went Gemling last league, you get it free on the way to the "gems give max res" asc node (if you have more red gems than anything else)

[celest blaze]

yeah it will get fixed fast if they did, somehow

[cerulean kraken]

This is really strange mechanically though?
If you are in a party with two other players.
One player (not you) applies the armour break, Second player does fire damage
Seems slightly insane that the fire damage would benefit just because you are in the party
Pretty sure it can't work like that

[bright pine]

if ur a fast/efficient player ur not gonna wanna have it anywhere near the time ur getting 4th ascendancy. It's a huge waste

[celest blaze]

think of it like cursing the mob, it's the same thing basically

[pliant solar]

you can (and should) get all 3 bonuses of that node

[honest grail]

warding rune is limited to one now, booo

at least it gives 50%

[cerulean kraken]

There are no cases where your curse passives effect the curses cast by other players though

[honest grail]

idk where to find the other 50% lol

[celest blaze]

ah, yeah, I did. Sorry it' ben a while since I looked closely at it. The "Red Gem" one is the moneymaker on that node though for sure

[pliant solar]

too bad this node is not the same, you have to choose

[celest blaze]

what? If you have curse effectiveness, the mob is just more cursed? What am I missing lol

[pliant solar]

hope they change this node

[honest grail]

if kitava can get crit immune and enough curse reduction the amount of 6 mod maps you can run goes up massively

[hexed vessel]

smith heatproofing gonna make me immune to chilled ground?

[celest blaze]

yeah, I was right next to it and didn't bother to take it. Ignite immunity is very yawn (especially when you already have 90% fire res and strong regen)

[pliant solar]

no

[cerulean kraken]

I'm talking about the situation where someone else breaks the armour of a monster
Your curse effectiveness doesn't apply to other players curses

[west wharf]

doesn't even work on burning ground

[honest grail]

chill isn't a damaging ailment

[pliant solar]

it says DAMAGING ailments (meaning ignite + poison + bleed)

[hexed vessel]

ah ok

but chilled ground is damaging to my brain, so it should work 🙁

[pliant solar]

its burning and it's possible that it would

[honest grail]

I never find myself dying to ailments in poe 2 tbh

[celest blaze]

Even just the one -curse effectiveness and anointing that +30% damage against undead -30% curse effectiveness node gets you most of the way there

[cerulean kraken]

The passive says that broken armour also applies to fire damage
The question is if someone in your party can break the armour - AND / OR gain the benefit to fire damage

[celest blaze]

(80%, after the buff that came with the limit add)

[honest grail]

I don't really want to use my anoint on that

[west wharf]

crystallised immunities? n the ignite immunity doesn't work on burning ground map mod

[celest blaze]

oh okay gotcha

[honest grail]

anoint on shield smith is generally best used for the node that gives ms when you block

unless they change that one

[pliant solar]

was talking about the smith node, but yeah you're right

[honest grail]

Excited to see the tree on friday and discover that all the good nodes are shit now

[west wharf]

hopefully smith node works

[celest blaze]

shock will kill you without you realizing. Particularly shocked ground.

[honest grail]

I meant damaging ailments

sorry

[pliant solar]

but burning isnt an ignite
yet burning is a damaging ailment
so smith should work on burning ground

[sharp thorn]

It works. I had immunity to ignite as PF and it let me just walk.

[honest grail]

bleed and poison barely do shit in poe 2

[west wharf]

from crystallised immunity? it didn't work when i tried it

[honest grail]

maybe it's just because I run regen+leech a lot tho

[west wharf]

but that was a bit ago

[celest blaze]

megalomaniac is an option too, I grabbed Swift Blocking on that and it wasn't particularly costly. It might be this league though

[pliant solar]

until you do mobs always poison maps and suddenly its painful

[sharp thorn]

It's the same modifier tho.

[honest grail]

I'd rather get the -curse effect node on the megalo lol

[celest blaze]

sure however you wanna do it.

[west wharf]

maybe it's fixed from when i tried it; it was a while back

[celest blaze]

I'm fully intending on being curse immune again, though, it was just too good for juiced mapping.

Ignoring all the pretty color circles is so freeing

[dreamy bridge]

seems weird that lunar blessing is the only spell while shapeshifted. walking calamity/bearpocalypse is not only an attack, but it's even a melee skill

[celest blaze]

(in general, ignited ground does almost nothing to anyone now after the change so it only applies flammability)

As long as you don't stand on it and have tea, you're fine

[honest grail]

People are also forgetting that more vaal stuff this league likely means more incoming chaos damage which will likely make chaos res more important

smith is so good for getting chaos res

[sharp thorn]

Vaal enemies deal all damage types, not chaos only.

[honest grail]

I know

where did I say they did chaos only

[celest blaze]

I would assume if you have the Molten One's Gift and you break the armor, everone in the party and your minions should benefit from it.

I'm not confident though, it's a good question

[hexed vessel]

fire spell on hit might try living bomb out

Living Bomb: Now deals 21 to 31 Fire Damage at Gem level 3 (previously 18 to 28), scaling to 481 to 721 Fire Damage at Gem level 20 (previously 340 to 510).

[celest blaze]

could maybe link it to both DD and Living Bomb

[hexed vessel]

increase the limit to 2 with support gem

[celest blaze]

I feel like DD will be lots of fun for clear

[pliant solar]

stats are suffixes in poe2 right?

attributes I mean

[honest grail]

even with the buff to fire spell on hit I don't see it scaling well into an endgame build

[hexed vessel]

ye i thought about it as well

[celest blaze]

If I go Kitava, I'll likely either go all "make my chest armor godly" or take 0 nodes of it

[honest grail]

but will be useable maybe for pushing into t15+

[sharp thorn]

What I mean is that this league won't make chaos resistance more important. Most of the damage they do is still physical.

[honest grail]

I'd put money on the league mech bringing more sources of incoming chaos damage

[celest blaze]

whereas DD scales with monstr HP.

It's intended to be supplemental damag to your attacks, and I think it will work well with that.

[honest grail]

standard kitava strat is take max res node and 4 body nodes

you could maybe go armour as ele route with 6 body nodes, you still want the fire to cold/lightning res node

that's their strongest node by a country mile

[celest blaze]

There is a good amount of it already in game, some bosses do very strong Chaos damage. Really became noticeable as my phys and ele mitigation went up, since my HP pool was a measly 2700 or so with 90 ES. Even 75% chaos res was not nearly enough with that pool on certain juiced bosses.

[hexed vessel]

how does the limit on living bomb work, can you only have 1 active on the map at one time? or is it per mob?

[celest blaze]

yeah I know, it's what I did with 0.2. I think this approach may be obsolete thinking with 0.4

[honest grail]

We get double corrupt now so easier to get a good +3% max fire belt

[celest blaze]

yeah that's my third thought

[pliant solar]

Is there some cool tech for rage for ranged attacks?

[celest blaze]

Time Lost Jewel with a +1 max fire on it is cheap and can add massive resisst in the right spot.

[honest grail]

Heart of the Well for +2% total will be much harder to get, but they also bugfixed Unnatural Resilience and I played the whole of 0.3 without that lol

[celest blaze]

druid rage regen

[honest grail]

because they took so long

[pliant solar]

besides ascendancies

[celest blaze]

Oh. Uh, well, there's a node for 8 rage on a flask drink (that does NOT work with Blood Mage auto-flasking, I tested it)

[pliant solar]

there is when mobs hit you, but thats meh

[celest blaze]

and some "rage on hit taken" nodes

[honest grail]

but yeah I don't think you ever do 8 body nodes since the fire res node is so giga strong

[celest blaze]

also, there's a "chance to gain max rage when you gain rage"

[honest grail]

IMO it's the strongest ascendancy node in the game across all classes

[celest blaze]

I wouldn't go that far but it makes gearing VERY easy

[honest grail]

gimme one that's better

[pliant solar]

8 node body armour outweights it in my opinion

[celest blaze]

which frees up lots of room for stupid unique shenanigans

[honest grail]

then you have no concept of opportunity cost lol

[pliant solar]

sure whatever

[honest grail]

what can you take for those last 2 body nodes that is better than the fire res node

[celest blaze]

6 node + that one or 8 node are pretty comporable. +400 base armor on your chestpiece alone is nothing to sneeze at

I do suspect hat the 6+2 approach is the smarter one though yeah

[honest grail]

I'm pretty sure given the wording that the + armour applies to your character and not to the body itself, which is significant for stuff like the 80% inc body armour notable

[celest blaze]

oof. Very significant yes

sad if true

(you're probably right)

[honest grail]

it just says 'each notable grants +200 to armour in addition'

[pliant solar]

crit immunity
phys as fire
chaos as armour
regen
fire res
damagin ailment
inc str
inc life

[honest grail]

still nice to get the flat armour but this is why I don't see smith being an armour stack angle

[celest blaze]

Each Notable connected to the Smith's Masterwork Notable now grants +200 to Armour in addition to its other bonuses.
I think this adds to the armor chestpiece itself, slight chance I could be wrong though

[honest grail]

armour to chaos and damaging ailment immunity together are way worse than the fire res node

[celest blaze]

If I were to go 6 / 2, I'd drop damaging ailment and inc str.

[honest grail]

inc str helps your max hit overall so it's a bit better than those two

armour applying to chaos is big bait

[celest blaze]

and I think it'd probably be the right call unless you were particularly buggered by damaging ailments for some reason

[pliant solar]

Ok I have a simple question for you about the fire res node. If you're not spending suffixes on resists and attributes then why do you need this node specifically for to save this suffix budget?

[honest grail]

you spend suffixes on chaos res, +skills, rarity, and uniques

[pliant solar]

its not like you win prefixes for extra damage with it

[celest blaze]

what do you mean? It's just a bit of life, unless you take that one node that adds Str to damage (at an okay rate, not amazing)

[honest grail]

I mean your max hit taken

[pliant solar]

oh yeah right rarity thing, cant wait when they delete it from the game finally

[celest blaze]

it allows you to run uniques more easily, like Headhunter, Constricting Command, Rondel of Fragility etc

[honest grail]

you push damage lategame by getting more +skills mods

also gloves can give attack speed

[pliant solar]

uniques yeah, but its hard to say how suffocated we are with new supposedly good uniques now

[celest blaze]

very very slightly

Even allocating Giant's blood isn't as huge a deal as you'd think.

[pliant solar]

isnt it prefix

[honest grail]

though I'm probably doing hateforge memes

[pliant solar]

its suffix actually

[celest blaze]

5% str is not a huge deal unless you're deliberately STR stacking or trying to run Giants Blood with 212 str 2 handers, imo

Source: done both

[honest grail]

it's 15% inc str

[pliant solar]

its 20%

20% str and 15% inc life nodes

[celest blaze]

got nerfed in 0.3 yah

[honest grail]

oh yeah it's 20% lol

[pliant solar]

20% is a lot

[celest blaze]

oh, shit, no I was wrong. Yeah 20% is a lot. shit.

[honest grail]

yeah it's good flat life

[celest oxide]

So are most starting Warrior for Shapeshifting? Or still Druid

[honest grail]

also if you want to forgo max res and do armour applies to ele you need more mods for that which are also suffixes lol

[celest oxide]

I guess we need to see the druid ascendencies

[honest grail]

so the fire res node wins again

and it gets more value out of the 75% body node if you take that

and you can get more flat str on gear if you want to lifemaxx

or go GB

[celest oxide]

Titan seems good but I don't think we can get all the Slam Nodes + Hulking Form at the same time? Idk I've never played Warrior tbh

[celest blaze]

Still though... if you have 250 str, ish, 20 is 50 life, which is... 1.5 suffixes worth on two gear slots.

The "half fire res is cold and lighting" is easily worth more than that, itemization-wise.

[celest blaze]

GB?

[honest grail]

giant's blood

[celest blaze]

ah yeah.

The fire res node is sneaky-good, you're absolutely correct. Power in Poe2 comes from gear.

and that rees up a LOT of gearing.

[honest grail]

that's why I mean it's just for max hit taken. warrior can have very good recovery so sometimes it's just down to the difference of surviving a big hit or not

[pliant solar]

unless they make every unique insanely good that I want to run all of them
never felt very restricted by resistance problems anyway before

[honest grail]

but if you are str stacking it's even better

[pliant solar]

its so easy to cap them now

[celest blaze]

yeah. I'm a big fan of not randomly dying

And very bad at dodging Angry Gorilla Boss when he's on map-mode cocaine

[pliant solar]

btw they fixed the gorilla roll

you can finally roll into it

[celest blaze]

it also frees up more itemization for the hell that is item rarity

[celest blaze]

hrm, when? I'm not sure what you mean by being able to roll into it

He nad-stomped me just last night

[pliant solar]

the bug was that if you dodgeroll into gorilla you get rubberbanded back outside of its huge model

[honest grail]

again you're completely ignoring opportunity cost lol

[pliant solar]

now you can actually roll diagonally towards it

[honest grail]

you're refusing to think about what mods you could have on your gear instead of those resistance mods

[pliant solar]

repeat this buzzword more for more confidence, bro

[honest grail]

it's not a buzzword it's the accurate term for what you're ignoring

[pliant solar]

ok whatever

[honest grail]

PoE character building is all about opportunity cost

[celest blaze]

a case can be made both ways, but I do think that overall taking that 2 point node for all that resist for nearly free is worth it.

[pliant solar]

the case here is that its a VERY GOOD node early to midgame, but absolutely useless in the actual minmaxing endgame

[hexed vessel]

might mess about with cast on ailment with smith, dunno if it'll be worth or not

[honest grail]

almost all the good stuff is on suffixes, including abyss mods

[celest blaze]

especially with the 75% fire res from the single ascendancy point.

75% fire res / 37% fire / 37 % cold is a LOT of resist.

[honest grail]

this is also completely wrong lmao

it just gets better the better gear you have

[pliant solar]

sure

[celest blaze]

for utility / supplemet, yeah. Main damage.... I'm less convinced, unless for a very spcific build

[honest grail]

mixmaxxed smith with the fire res node can have +skills everywhere they can plus chaos res mods, attack speed on gloves, any attributes needed for skills or for pushing more life

[celest blaze]

(and, again, rarirty)

[honest grail]

without it you lose several suffixes and a bunch of those things

[celest blaze]

if you're trying to jam rarity in (which is worth it, now, unfortunately) things get VERY tight. Particularly if you need +skills, which also everyone pretty much does.

[honest grail]

and chaos res

[celest blaze]

You don't have to be convinced, though, no skin off my back

[honest grail]

idk how non-smiths get enough chaos res to be happy lol

[hexed vessel]

hmm toying with the idea of using ember fusillade and elemental weakness. but might as well manually cast elemental weakness

[celest blaze]

just keep it in mind

[pliant solar]

rarity is a prefix, not a suffix

[celest blaze]

I managed with my Gemling but I paid for it in armor and life.

Yes, they'r suffixes, but to get good EVERYTHING pushe the cost of gear higher than I wanted to spend.

[honest grail]

it's both lol

[pliant solar]

it is on the rings

where you stack resists

more than anywhere else

[hexed vessel]

how about svalinn for cast on block as well for mapping

[celest blaze]

also, they're connected. For instance, if you have to skimp on life for Armor in prefixes, you can add some Str as a suffix to compensate

to some degree it matters, but in general it just comes down to "I need X, can I get it from my passive tree / asc, or do I need it on gear"

(or as much as possible on both)

[honest grail]

rings are even more precious for opportunity cost because there are a bunch of good unique ones and for a rare you generally want a mana leech one unless you're going blood magic

[celest blaze]

Svalinn is money generally, if I was doing anything other than Shield Bonk I'd be all over it

[celest blaze]

with enough gearing ritualist is really hard to argue with for this reason

But I don't like it so

[honest grail]

also high tier flat life on kill is really underrated

remember that abyss suffixes also give hybrid ele+chaos res

so smith can make a giga ring with fire res, chaos res and fire+chaos res

or do the same for boots

[celest blaze]

well, unless you have enough sustain otherwise.

Does it bypass that stupid "No recovery past 50%" rare mod?

flat mana on kill is soooo good for levelling also

[honest grail]

don't think so

I bypass those by oneshotting them

[celest blaze]

melee shieldbonk life 🙁

And those stupid shroudwalkers

[honest grail]

excited to see what the new bullshit enemies in vaal temples are

[celest blaze]

it's usually fine just scary in abysses when headhunter keeps TPing me back on top of it

[honest grail]

because abyss had a lot of bullshit

massive phys dots, DD oneshots, invuln effects

this is the poe 2 build planning channel

[celest blaze]

yes, but I expect it to be very proitable. I'll likely be running abyss / overseer / irradiated tablets.

[worn shale]

my fault

[honest grail]

abyss tablets are gonna be pricey I expect

[worn shale]

I realize that now haha

[honest grail]

I might just sell them and buy the abyss stuff I want with the earnings lol

[celest blaze]

yeah I'm hoping to mostly sustain. I'll run dual Overseer otherwise, likely. Or MAYBE delirium now that they fixed fog, but I expect that the emotions won't be worth tons

Simul shards might though

[honest grail]

lol the 'limited to 1' change on all the really good socketables is a big nerf to DE belt

[celest blaze]

DE belt?

[honest grail]

darkness enthroned

afaik people generally put one kind of expensive socketable in it

now you can't lol

[pliant solar]

abyss without homo omens is really not the same

I will miss them

[celest oxide]

I will but at the same time

I loved the crafting last season but I don't mind it being a bit less of a crafting league I guess

[pliant solar]

ye I can get behind that

it was almost too good of crafting

[celest oxide]

As a bad crafter

I was missing out LOL

[pliant solar]

slam and pray

the fun way

[celest blaze]

Oh! The Death Articulated gloves + the 8 rage on flasking / chance to gain max rage passive might do it for ranged rage.

Throw in a movement skill like Leap Slam or Shield Charge with a Rage on Hit, and that might do it. Ghost Dance is also a "melee hit"

[celest oxide]

I personally don't mind the atlas as endgame and excited for this league mechanic

[pliant solar]

damn thats actually very good

[celest blaze]

I'm sure that the prime abyss crafting materials will still be very pricy

[pliant solar]

like really good

[celest oxide]

Plus I think having Abyss tablets and Abyss Atlas tree should be cool

[pliant solar]

too bad my gloves slot is already filled

[celest oxide]

How expensive is Hateforge or w.e it's called gonna be this season

[pliant solar]

with these

[celest oxide]

with the negative modifier removed

[pliant solar]

(the buffed version)

[celest oxide]

LOL

[celest blaze]

Yep. I was looking into it because I'm also a Moltn Blast enthusiast, which is awkwardly both not melee and doesn't use arrows

[celest oxide]

Bear or Wyvern better be good

or I'll be sad

[pliant solar]

ye molten blast isnt melee for some reason

[celest oxide]

Don't make me play bows/xbows again pls

[celest blaze]

there are passive nodes that add X seconds to the start of rage decay also, I usually just take a single one of them though

[honest grail]

+2 charge hateforges were going for 1-2 divs at end of league, for downside mod removal you have to vaal first and then hit the downside mod, it will be expensive but not too expensive

[celest blaze]

I'm not sure it would be enough even if you took all of them though

[honest grail]

depends on supply vs demand more than anything

[celest blaze]

if the stupid blood mage auto-flask gave 8 rage 🙁

[pliant solar]

for sure not enough

[honest grail]

they could make hateforge a rarer drop as well lol

[celest blaze]

you'd have to work in something like leap slamming into packs occasionally

[celest oxide]

If they're BIS for Shapeshifting builds and Shapeshifting is really popular cause shiny new toy it might inflate

[pliant solar]

I'm glad they're buffing uniques, but I'm scared they actually overbuffed some

[celest blaze]

which would ALSO proc those silly "if you've made a melee attack" nodes (which are generally not worth it separately)

[celest blaze]

dude I can't brelieve they buffed Cloak of Flame lmao

if I'm not a Smith of Kitava, I'm gonna ve a Bear in a Bathrobe

[celest blaze]

which ones you think they might have overbuffed?

[hexed vessel]

they're buffing this from 20% to 40%, if i use avatar of fire, will it change the chaos damage to fire as well? so it will be just a 40% damage increase?

[pliant solar]

both of them I think?

I mean lightning coil too

[pliant solar]

the overleech chest

100%

and ofc phys as ele chests

[celest blaze]

I'm very glad for the Lightning Coil buff because the SC'ers are drooling over that instead of CoF

[pliant solar]

also new freeze gloves are insane

from -25% less damage on frozen

to 20% more damage

[celest blaze]

hrm, which one is that?

[celest blaze]

crazy good yeah

I think the no rage degen gloves might be worth considering over it though. Particularly if you can squeeze in Berserk

[pliant solar]

for sure

[sharp thorn]

Do remember that Death Articulated are extremely rare. They are more expensive than most top tier tiems.

[pliant solar]

I like the trend of a lot uniques having all 3 defences

[celest blaze]

did not know that, good shoutout

I just know that I'd never seen it.

[celest blaze]

oh, shit, yeah.

Couture of Crimson now has "10-15% Increased Maximum Life" (previously 25% reduced).

[pliant solar]

yep

this is also why rathpith gets nerfed for the 20th time in a row

because all life stacking items getting buffed

[celest blaze]

hrm, yes, cheapest one is listed for 175 divines on poe2 trade lol

scratches off list

If it's worth more than, say, 25 divines it might as well not exist for me

[pliant solar]

who drops them

or is it a world drop

[celest blaze]

world

base doesn't drop so it's not even chanceable

BUT, the new Vaal corruption might be able to get it

[sharp thorn]

Not world

It is a unique from one of the three bosses in corrupted nexus

[celest blaze]

hrm? oops, I just looked it up, sorry.

I must've read something wrong

[pliant solar]

must be actually 0.001% drop because these are frequent

[celest blaze]

I don't even know what corrupted nexus IS lol

[sharp thorn]

I've never seen them much after I started to notice citadels on maps.

[pliant solar]

the poe1 beyond bosses

[sharp thorn]

That mandatory node to improve your atlas.

[pliant solar]

they were requirements for tier upgrades for doryani

[sharp thorn]

They still are. Just not as much as it used to be.

[pliant solar]

ye right

the ones that you always forget about after killing normal boss

and you need to return for them

because they take too much time to appear

[sharp thorn]

Yeah. I never managed to upgrade my atlas because I ran total of 5 nexus and I failed a couple of them (don't ask how, I don't remember).

[pliant solar]

this is exactly how

[sharp thorn]

No I mean, don't ask how did I failed them.

[pliant solar]

6 portal defence layer

[sharp thorn]

Not in this case, you only have 2 respawns since you need 4 mod waystone to run nexus

[celest blaze]

ohhhh okay I got it now. Innnnteresting.

[sharp thorn]

Anyway, on a topic of rage, if you run flask node and don't mind to give up your flask, you can use unique rage flask. It has 5 (at least) seconds of effect and you have no rage loss while you are under effect of that flask.

[celest blaze]

My first one spawned in the gorilla boss

And as mentioned I'm gorilla-impaired (though getting better at him).

[celest blaze]

oh super cool

[sharp thorn]

https://poe2db.tw/us/Blood_of_the_Warrior

I was thinking about ranged rage myself, so this is pretty much all I found. Still better than nothing and thankfully flask node can be annointed if you cannot or don't want to path to it.

[pliant solar]

Recovers 710 Life over 5 Second

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/752127669956771942/1277235213008633937/maldingatnugget.gif

[sharp thorn]

Not true.

90% less Life Recovered

It's 70 actually

[pliant solar]

ye thats what I meant

[granite vapor]

I'm thinking of doing blackflame covenant mana stacking lich. As far as I can tell, mana flare and elemental discharge SHOULD both do chaos damage, since they have the spell and fire tags. PoB disagrees. Does anyone know which is right?

[pliant solar]

also its "when hit by an enemy" cant even passively geenrate it

its a recoup flask more than rage

[sharp thorn]

Of course not, but you combine with this and you're in business. The main idea for me is that you can use this flask for both "Effect is not removed when Unreserved Life is Filled" and "No Inherent loss of Rage during effect"

[celest blaze]

I'm not sure who my fellow ShieldBonker was, but I ran a heavily customized variation of this build in 0.3:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R5GKSzV6A5A
It uses Resonating Shield as a delivery method to proc Fortiying Cry repeatedly, then uses Nebuloch on Weapon Swap to deliver massive guaranteed Shield Wall crits against bosses.

Main difference that I made was that I was a Gemling Legionnaire for the auto-endurance charge of Thaumaturgic Dynamism to drop Perfect Strike. I also made a few changes to supports, crucially running Fortifying Cry supported by with https://poe2db.tw/us/Enraged_Warcry_I to avoid being tied to endurance charges.

[pliant solar]

I get what you mean, but its a weird setup for a little bit of an upside at this point

[celest blaze]

ah, it was @pliant solar

(they are also removing Font of Rage in 0.4, which would otherwise help too)

[pliant solar]

I'm surprised they didn't nerf shield wall

I expected them to do so

but may be I'm missing some side nerf to it

that I'm not aware of

[sharp thorn]

Unfortunately, yeah. Either you do it like this or death articulated that can cost more than the whole rest of a build combined.

[pliant solar]

the gloves seem good

they for sure will go down in price next league

because of all other uniques being buffed

[sharp thorn]

I wouldn't hope for it, but it may happen.

[pliant solar]

unless rage druid is so successful that they will suck the whole market of them

[celest blaze]

The main "nerf" here is that that the damage bonus of Ataluli's Bloodletting was cut in half, but that's toooootally fine. I wasn't even running it on shield wall in the end, put it on Fortifying Cry.

The 13 million damage in the build that I linkedd that he has there is a bit of a meme, the setup in his build to get that is a pretty awkward combo and I would tend to die

[pliant solar]

bloodletting nerf barely does anything to it honestly

its just so much damage

[celest blaze]

your main hope is they tweak the rarity, but with Druid being so rage-oriented I doubt it. Probably will be even more in demand.

@pliant solar what build were you using for shield-i-ness?

[sharp thorn]

Druid has it's own means to solve rage I think.

[celest blaze]

I'll do up a full PoB / Moba link sometime soon

[pliant solar]

the generic titan fort cry + resonating

[celest blaze]

true, with the regen. Still, it seems pretty relevant

[pliant solar]

used the wall only on bosses

[celest blaze]

link somewhere? Though I can largely guess what that means

[pliant solar]

I league launched with it blind (they just added the skill into the game) so I winged it

no links

[celest blaze]

I use the Wall in clearing sometimes too, particularly for abysses or when I'm annoyed a rare isn't dead yet

I also used it when I needed to recover my stun bar

[pliant solar]

titan node for 100% more armour from the chest is giga slept on

its massive

[celest blaze]

the blood mage version i homebrewed did NOT work well. Mainly because infinite life regen doesn't include infinite stun bar regen 🙁

Strong damage mitigation is super key, even though you're blocking 99% of the time

[pliant solar]

ye, I had a fuckton of extra stun threshold

before I could plough the maps

[woven depot]

50%

[celest blaze]

yeah I bet

I only had 2700 life and like 7K armor, but Cloak of Flame and 90% fire res did work (others were around 80%)

[pliant solar]

ye 50% mb

[woven depot]

had me thinking they buffed it in the notes or something lmao

[pliant solar]

its flat 1500 armour pre calc

[celest blaze]

crazy

[pliant solar]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/654587455823020032/1412184980146098357/image.png?ex=6937e980&is=69369800&hm=d6ded4506ae70488f439f3f7268eef997af648bcacf7a14ab208f5d3c5073f61&=&format=webp&quality=lossless&width=916&height=228

this is pre-buff day 4 into the league

[celest blaze]

After talking to y'all I'm pretty sold on Shieldbonk Smith of Kitava 6 / 2 with strong investment in Armor as my league start

I'm hoping to be able to use a Talisman mainhand or some other new means to get the End charges I need for bossing wihtout Perfect Strike

I fucking refuse to use Perfect Strike for end charges

[pliant solar]

so you get at least 50k with buffs

[pliant solar]

if you do a non-warbringer version you would need endurance charge gen

I did it with magma barrier and stacking a few charge nodes on the tree

it was enough to spam the fort cry

warbringer is a big qol for it

you just run around shouting for free

[woven depot]

what was the tech warbringers were using to spam ancestral totems?

[celest blaze]

you don't NEED it. The main generation while mapping is https://poe2db.tw/us/Armour_Break_III, I used https://poe2db.tw/us/Enraged_Warcry_I to power my Fortifying Cry during clear. It workeed great.

[pliant solar]

no you don't, you're right, but it makes the build much faster

and it makes you not pull your hair off on stealing charges mobs

[celest blaze]

relying on End charges during mapping is strictly worse in my experience. And I didn't even notice the stealing affix when it happens.

My personal innovation was using https://poe2db.tw/us/Thaumaturgical_Dynamism in Gemling Legionaire with 100% strength requirements. I have full End charges standing around in my hideout.

makes bosskilling soooo much easier

[pliant solar]

it wont be enough to spam the fort cry

for bossing you dont care, but for clear you do need more

but then again, I did resonating shield for clear, not shield wall

its a bit different

[celest blaze]

Right. That's why i powered it with Rage instead, which is flawless. I basically can shout whenever I want and am still at full rage pretty much all the time.

0.4 buffs it so that it Dynamism generates a charge every 5 seconds, AND if you have that End Charge Rune socket it works with that (thought hat may have been limited too idk)

[pliant solar]

shield wall was just for bosses and tougher mobs

I did rage tech too btw

its a no-brainer

nothing else honestly to abuse for it

[celest blaze]

yes, I did too. You used the rage to bypass the cooldown, too, yeah? It absolutely is a no-brainer

I was using Resonating shield just as a means of delivering Fortifying cry.

[pliant solar]

yes

switched a few times between warbringer and titan

warbringer is much better early

but when you get the things going you just abuse titan's direct tankiness and damage

also warbringer gives you +20 fps

for clearing corpses

not even memeing, actual boon

[celest blaze]

@unborn fable did you use Thirst of Kitava? The one that gives instant life leech or empowered attacks (all our important attacks are empowered)

Combined with the Fast Metabolism node, there's a buffer of free HP for you almost all the time

EDIT: Sorry, random dude, bad auto-complete

[celest blaze]

the video I linked here has opinions on warbringer being an inferior choice, though he was open to Titan: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R5GKSzV6A5A

It comes down to the same "fire res being all res node is really strong" thing though so you're probably over it already haha

[pliant solar]

well its good that people have not a set in stone way of doing things

[celest blaze]

healthy discussion is good

And Titan is super good just generally so it' super good at this. It's obviously a great choice.

[pliant solar]

its a meme at this point titan being good for everything

like deadeye

[celest blaze]

or ritualist

[pliant solar]

although the latter is obviously stronger

ritualist isnt as popular

but yeah

[hexed vessel]

is this worth taking on a fire warrior build?

[pliant solar]

well if you do hits and crush armour yes

[carmine flicker]

If you can break armour...

[celest blaze]

hrm, i might have to use Molten Blast and add some nodes if the Animal Talisman Bear-ness or some other 0.4 tech doesn't work out, thanks for the reminder.

I was hoping to add Shard Scavenger , though.

[hexed vessel]

breaking armour is easy with shattering

[summer pasture]

That's not hard to do

[celest blaze]

It's generally considered really good if you break armor and do fire damage, yes.

Increasing the damage taken like that is super strong.

[hexed vessel]

just need 100% increased armour break with shattering blow

[pliant solar]

for what exactly?

[carmine flicker]

Harder on full fire build

[summer pasture]

Between that and 100% increased armor broken you fully break armor on a heavy stun

[celest blaze]

more armor?

But i use Endurance charges on the boss to power Nebuloch

[carmine flicker]

Idk, imo not reliable enough, but works for sure

Or poe2 lack stun immune mobs
Can't remember

[pliant solar]

yeah, I just thought you meant something more specific about it

[summer pasture]

Or just use armor break support on your basic with some increased armor break and a couple hits will break

[celest blaze]

the main issue is that by the time you've heavy stunned a boss, the fight is mostly over anyway so it's got a fractional usefulness.

[carmine flicker]

That too

[celest blaze]

using a few slaps of Resonating Shield or Armor Breaker isn't bad. At the early part of the fight, the boss isn't super dangerous anyway yet

there are some goodd increased duration nodes for armor breakinga lso, you can get it up to around 16 seconds

[pliant solar]

@celest blaze I also tried fitting temporal chains blasphemy, cast while channeling and stuff
worked somewhat I guess, but wasn't impressive enough

[celest blaze]

yeah, it wasn't an option for me due to needing 100% strenth requirement. I often try to slot i blas Enfeeble when I can

[pliant solar]

I remember getting insanely lucky buying a huge mace for the build like second or third day into the league when I just got to maps

[summer pasture]

I mean titan can get free heavy stuns and boneshatter is a heavy stun

[pliant solar]

I think I still have it somewhere I need to find it

[celest blaze]

Berserk, Herald of Ash, Shard Scavenger, and Molten Shield are all so good already and I don't have either the gem slots or the spirit to support a blas curse, espeically at low level with wimpy int

and the Druid may come with som new juicy Spirit supports

[pliant solar]

@celest blaze 5c

literally just care about 3 mods there - less req, +7 all melee and empowered attacks

and all 3 maxed

ok not all, less requirements could be a bit higher

but it was enough

[celest blaze]

goddamn, very nice. Did you go GB with it?

[pliant solar]

well yeah how else I would use it

and what the reduced requirements for

[celest blaze]

the other option was that you didn't use it, seeing as this was in your stash lol

[pliant solar]

well nobody buys that stuff even tho its basically bis for such builds

only thing I managed to switch it for is a triple socket corrupt

[celest blaze]

yeah especially in the early days GB was pretty much deemed un-usable (which is not true)

[pliant solar]

no streamer made the build about it = unusable

and now its a "carn build"

[leaden yarrow]

Is the Pathfinder like venom concoction good?

The ascendency thing?

[carmine flicker]

always was that way

it's bit better in POE1 for some reason
may be less meta players or more build diversity?

[celest blaze]

to be more fair, life is alreay very limited and the idea of having significantly less life is quite scary.

I was quite okay with having a random +5 melee skills 1H mace

[pliant solar]

workable, but gas arrow is better for the same-ish build

[leaden yarrow]

How u feel bout that poison body build?

The corpse poison gas skill

[pliant solar]

nah +2 skills is huge

[pliant solar]

which one? no idea

[leaden yarrow]

Decompose

And corpeswade

And plague bearer

[pliant solar]

thats an idea I guess, but I honestly have no idea if its good

[leaden yarrow]

Alr alr

[pliant solar]

did they change Corpsewade

[leaden yarrow]

Not sure tbh

[pliant solar]

they didn't, no mention in the patchnotes

[leaden yarrow]

I just saw the build idea

[celest blaze]

yes, I do realize this, but.

[pliant solar]

well yeah life is important and its also a basis for stun threshold which is especially important for resonating shield builds

but if losing 350~ish life is critical on an insanely tanky build then there is something fundamentally wrong

[quartz pewter]

I mean 350 life is pretty big

on any build

[pliant solar]

yes and no

you tank with your stun threshold

mobs basically never touch your life

unless you step into some chaos goo pool

[quartz pewter]

Most builds rely on at least two defensive mechanics

[pliant solar]

bigger hit is losing 350 life worth of stun threshold if anything

than actual life

[pliant solar]

well you do have insane amount of armour and armour as ele on top

which works with a raised shield

I tested it thoroughly

because nobody could answer me when I asked many people

[quartz pewter]

I mean yeah.. block more hits with stun threshold on a shield.. but you still want a good life pool

[pliant solar]

things that reduce stun gauge gain:
armour - yes
armour as ele - yes
global multipliers - yes
flat reductions (like astramentis) - no
resists - no

I have absolutely no idea why resists dont work on raised shield

[quartz pewter]

It's just 1 layer of defense

[pliant solar]

that 1 layer of defense as enough to tank arbiter aoe

[quartz pewter]

Maybe it's a thing I don't know... builds I seen that use shield don't run any threshold lol

[pliant solar]

well yes thats the whole point of the build

to stack A LOT of stun threshold

[quartz pewter]

or maybe some form but like sacing 350 life for it I don't see it

[pliant solar]

your stun bar is your life bar

which is honestly a problem by itself

because its grey on grey and you cant see shit

would love to have it on your hp bar in the middle

[summer pasture]

If you're not active blocking then yeah no threshold needed but if using a skill that active blocks while using it you need stun threshold

[pastel swift]

Anyone thinking of doing anything with skin of the loyal? Seems like a strong defensive item now, dunno if theres any resist scaling offensively

[sharp thorn]

It hasn't changed. Only description did.

[pastel swift]

Duh, myba, thought it was amount over cap

[sharp thorn]

Ohhh, you're right, it's not the same. Though I dunno if that's enough to make it worth. Maybe on an amazon, since she has defense stats from body halved.

Increased es/ev/armour is a global modifier as far as I understand, so this is unaffected.

[pastel swift]

Correct, really the only question is if there are any other ways to get payoff from overcap

[sharp thorn]

Not that I know of. Body armour usually adds a lot more stats than +75% increased defenses.

And I don't remember anything else that affects stats on body.

[cerulean kraken]

Is there a good guide somewhere to how "Energy per Power of enemies [...] modified by 🤷 " works ?

[sharp thorn]

What exactly do you want to know?

[cerulean kraken]

Gains 3 Energy per Power of enemies XXX, modified by the percentage of the enemy's Ailment Threshold the Hit will deal

1. Is there a way of lowering it?

• I guess Overwhelming Presence does not apply since it says "Elemental A.T."

2. Where can I see example numbers?
   Count Geonor has 318 Life at area level 15 - end of act 1 (https://poe2db.tw/us/Count_Geonor)
   Even though I've killed him way too many times, I have no guess at what the ailment threshold is
   A few places online say it's equal to life pool.
   Assuming you want to get a guarenteed shock from a single hit - you need to do 400% the ailment threshold.
   If using Arc, without any shock chance supports/nodes, you would need to do 1272 damage?
   If using Lightning Bolt (200% more) [staff], with Shock support (100% more), you would need to do 1272/2/3 = 212 damage
   Which is still 2/3 of his life pool... which seems wrong

3. If you overkill (white mobs), does the overkill damage count towards the power generation threshold?

• Assuming an ailment threshold of 50%
• Say you whack a monster for 90% it's life -> This gives 1 * 3 * 100% = 3 power, or can the scaling factor go above 100%?
• If you hit it a second time overkilling it by 80%, would you still hit the ailment threadhold or does it only count as doing "10%" damage.

4. How is the energy rounded? I assume down to nearest integer

5. Boses have 20 Power. So if you hit a boss you get 20 * 3 * something * increase energy multiplier = ???
   Assuming this is a simple scaling factor from 0 to 100%
   If you hit which takes off 50% of a boss's life, you get 30 energy. There are quite a few sources of scaling energy gain, so double or triple it.
   But that is still only ~200 energy per boss fight.

I have no idea how you are supposed to format bullet points within numeric lists on Discord.
If you do it without a space it converts them to numbers, if you put the spaces it looks shit - as above

[pallid knoll]

Anyone tempted to build around whirling assault? And how would you go about it?

[sharp thorn]

Ok, so:

1. Yes. I guess it's an error in description because "ailments threshold" can only mean elemental ailments threshold. Overwhelming presence works.
2. You can't know for sure exact numbers. Generally use Overwhelming presence and do more damage, this will help you to get more energy.
3. I don't know but my guess is that they do.
4. Same as 2. You don't need this much details.
5. Assuming elemental ailments work the same as on players, if you hit at 50% of life you actually supposed to get 20*3*100% of energy, so it's 60. Which is not true because they have way less than that. I have no info how much tho. Do note that the info on this website can be erroneous.

[pliant solar]

not defences, just evasion

you can wear armour or es easily

[spring flicker]

Yeah however this was before the aoe buff so it was just whirlind assault + staggering palm nova proj

With the aoe buff maybe titan could be really good with it

[sharp thorn]

Right, it's even worse than I thought.

[pliant solar]

worse in what sense?

[sharp thorn]

That there are easier ways to ignore the downside.

[pliant solar]

oh ye

[long garden]

How good/bad we think stormweaver limit stacking volcano + shockwave totem would be? can also add in thunderstorm maybe and valako's vice to convert fire to lightning? might be kinda clunky tho idk..

[pliant solar]

I bet its disgustingly op

at least on paper

[cerulean kraken]

Thanks for the info
I see no reason why it shouldn't be possible to figure out exact numbers, though does seem a bit difficult

[pliant solar]

you also get more toys to play with from the druid side

I bet talisman stormweaver is by far superior to a druid caster

[formal geyser]

volcano looks kinda clunky already unless you can really speed up the magma coming out

[quartz pewter]

Volcano did look clunky af lol

[long garden]

Yeah that's the thing I wasn't sure about, like if you could speed things up to make it less clunky somehow

[pliant solar]

proj speed is easy to stack

[sharp thorn]

We don't have exact tools beyond datamined info.
You can only try to estimate it based on how much your strikes deal and how much energy you get in result.

[formal geyser]

I mean I'm gonna try all the new skills to see what feels good

But volcano was definitely low on my list of interest

If you can get thunderstorm to travel with you and you can cast plants whiel moving, that'll be quite good

[pliant solar]

I just wonder if volcano proj distance is based on its speed or not

hopefully not

[formal geyser]

It's just too rng of where they land

it's the problem faced by anything like it - firestorm in particular

[sharp thorn]

Not sure this works as you want. Stormveawer says elemental skills, this probably means skills in elemental tab, so that the most likely candidates are orbs and firestorm.

[pliant solar]

if its anything like poe1 variant of volcano then its quite fine, its not as clunky as people think

yes poe1 has more cast speed and such, but it seems quite similar to me

[sharp thorn]

Maybe they will allow volcano and other storm spell from primal tho. But def not shock totem.

[formal geyser]

that's not correct. It means the elemental tag more than likely

(and spells)

[sharp thorn]

Is that a tag?

[pliant solar]

fire, lightning and cold ARE elemental skills

[cerulean kraken]

That's what I meant
Not something I'm interested in doing, but could record data then fit with a function. Do it over level range, easier on white mobs
For bosses, would need to find one that plays nice

[sharp thorn]

Oh you mean the elemental tags. Maybe.

[formal geyser]

I guess it isn't. coulda sworn

[hollow dock]

Is it just me or is mana stacking just not at all viable as a defensive measure in 0.4?
https://pobb.in/UoR3TAtUXMBl

Just a shell but the numbers dont seem promising at all

[frosty finch]

anyone else going to go rage wolf ?

[formal geyser]

6k is pretty good

[small anvil]

Does global defense do anything for mana? I'm guessing no

[bright pine]

nope

[midnight bolt]

is there data on frames in the roll? and how many of those are iframes?

[sharp thorn]

No. Defense is only ev/es/armour

[unreal girder]

wtb gem info, cant decide between limit stormewaver and wolf withc hunter 🙁

[silent matrix]

pure explosive spear, yay or nay? with +5 gem lvls from spear on gem lvl 20 it gets base 4 max lodged spears, with overabundance and short fuse 1 that's 2250% dmg effectiveness per sec

or 1800%/s without short fuse

[hoary ingot]

bois would taking damage from this trigger recoup or nah

[silent matrix]

"lose" isn't "dmg taken"

so no

[hoary ingot]

ehh true

what a shame

[celest blaze]

Sorry, got pulled into a meeting.

Hrm, from my perspective, having higher than max resists absolutely makes a difference, and my stun bar absolutely shoots up much faster in maps that have -X% max res, so I'm not sure where you're getting this from?

But yes, mitigating the highest percentage possible of incoming damage is far more important than boosting the stun threshold directly. My Bloodmage loved to flop on the floor any time 3 powerful abyss mobs looked at him. Even though he had a good amount of ES, and "stun threshhold percentage of ES"