2┃build-planning

[woven depot]

true, nerf lich

[mental hull]

I think the alternative would be to nerf ES and buff life, or nerf es and nerf burst damage taken

[celest oxide]

Do we think Druid will be go to class for Bear or Wyvern? I saw Smith Bear Druid getting theorycrafted already

[woven depot]

i dont think its necessarily as simple as that, but druid has been designed with all three shapeshifts + spells in mind

BUT there are other parts of the shapeshift kits that might synergise better with other ascendancies

so something like a slam titan bear could be really good as well

[celest oxide]

Do we have every node for Shaman/Oracle?

The Bear and Wyvern both just look really sick so I’m gonna play whatever people think are strong with those

[jovial light]

Im thinking with the insane attack speed of the breath attack, it could be goated for proccing the tempest bell, but I don't remember if it triggers it

[celest oxide]

I guess you could do a Qstaff on one set and Talisman on the other

So talisman’s let you cast Druid….errr talisman specific spells and shapeshift right?

Like I can’t shapeshift and cast spark on the same weapon for example

But you do cast the volcano with a talisman

[static torrent]

Specifically, Talismans enable you to Shapeshift and use the Bear, Wolf and Wyvern skills.

[dreamy bridge]

I woke up to DM looking at an ascendancy image. haven't watched the reveal at that time so tabbed out to not spoil. so maybe the ascendancy details are somewhere?

[static torrent]

The Spells can be cast with all weapon types outside of Talismans, like any other spell.

[celest oxide]

There were some nodes shown in the reveal but not all

So you maybe saw that

[dreamy bridge]

it was vaguely in the revealed format, with notes on the side

so either a guess or legit

[celest oxide]

Wait duh I knew that

I’m dumb

I wonder what stats will be available on Talismans

And what implicits they’ll come with

Unless the shapeshifting stuff is the only imicit part

[static torrent]

The forms themselves are not implicit, you can freely select them on each Talisman.

[dreamy bridge]

seems there's no implicit on talismans, based on the poe2 page

[static torrent]

It only shows a small number of them, there's a bunch of other weapon base types that just have varying stats.

[celest oxide]

Would be weird right? The only difference between a higher level base would be the explicits it could roll then?

Or maybe it effects the gem levels of the shapeshifting skills I guess

[static torrent]

They work the same way as other Martial Weapons, so the levels of the skills would be determined by the gems themselves, plus any +Skill level affixes.

Anyway, we've not yet seen all Talismans, I wouldn't be surprised if there are a few with implicits or otherwise distinct stats.

[celest oxide]

So you cut the skill gem for each individual bear form ability for example?

[static torrent]

Yes

[celest oxide]

Rather than it being attached to the weapon like a spell is attached to a wand?

[static torrent]

Yes, every skill is a regular gem, save for the Default Attack, which you can freely select on the Talisman itself.

[celest oxide]

Makes sense

[static torrent]

And Default Attacks scale with character level, not the weapon.

[celest oxide]

Praying that bear or Wyvern is good/comfy

Both look cool af

[static torrent]

On the topic of implicits, we obviously can't know whether the Increased Flammability Magnitude is a Unique stat or not, but it might be the implicit for Ashbark Talismans.

[celest oxide]

This seems so cool

Being a freaking balrog????

[woven depot]

yea thats a pretty accurate description

even got the 'no wings' part right

[celest oxide]

Hopefully fire damage doesn’t suck for once

[woven depot]

fire is a bit odd tbh, but its getting quite a bit of changes in the notes alone AND the biggest issue rn is how weak fire passive nodes are, and we havent even seen how theyve changed

[sleek lantern]

Not really a builder but is the new buff on chayula any good?

[celest oxide]

Not a builder either, can’t wait for the content creator vids to come out and tell me what’s good lmao

What is so good about the Pathfinder buffs?

[silent matrix]

pathfinder, rush all jewel sockets, 5% global def per travel node (just to get all jewels is like ~70 pathing nodes = ~350% global def), high rolled adorned with 10-11 magic jewels for like 40% inc dmg and 40% crit multi each, plus res/attr implicits. still got 40-50 passives left to take the juiciest of the juicy clusters, since it's already pathing everywhere, and still 4 asc points left. should make for a very decent foundation for practically any build/skill. thoughts?

[celest oxide]

Ranger league again lmao

[woven depot]

my man

[silent matrix]

but seriously, 5% global defenses is so goddamn insane, I wouldn't be surprised if it gets nerfed to 3% or even 2% per. and it'd still be good xdd

[worldly condor]

You guys think its worth making some characters in standard to have stuff to play around and test with or is it not worth it due to the balance changes? Maybe I should lock in and learn PoB?

[celest oxide]

Tbh as long as Bow specifically isn’t the main meta again I’m okay with this

[silent matrix]

well, it will be because rhoa xdd

[celest oxide]

Didn’t Rhoa get kinda nuked

[woven depot]

if you are itching to play a bit and font feel like itll sour your league start go for it. I also wouldnt rely on PoB too much, the poe 2 version is far from optimised and should primarily be treated as a passive point planner and we dont have the new passive tree

[silent matrix]

as PF, you wanna spend 4 asc points for 50% less penalty, or just go bow and rhoa?

[woven depot]

you sprint

[silent matrix]

nmpe, it even got buffed xdd

[woven depot]

heavy stun immunity while sprinting is crazy good

[silent matrix]

meh

[worldly condor]

Ye il probz wait for league start coz the campaign is massive and want it to feel somewhat fresh lol. And ah okay ty

[woven depot]

doesnt mean that it isnt a good tool to play around with if you do want to get into buildmaking, but the calculations and stuff just arent there yet completely, so dont trust the numbers tooo much

[worldly condor]

Yeah okay okay ty

Getting bored of following builds now but i lack the iq lol

[celest oxide]

PF has unstunnable sprint now

So maybe Rhoa won’t be the move

[mental hull]

but that doesn't give you actual power, so as an ascendancy choice it is bad

[silent matrix]

just not heavy stunnable, you still get staggered out of sprint. also can't attack while sprinting, and you should never really sprint near enemies anyways, outside of like camaign maybe,m but it's a 4-pointer anyways so would only be like a3 or 4 onwards. rhoa just better in every regard

also because it's 50% less penalty from PF, not reduced, which is kinda stupid

[celest oxide]

Is 3 empty charm slots worth 120 spirit?

[worldly condor]

Rhoa is good coz of the companion nodes tho, and you can make them apply to you, and because youre always on it (in proximity) you constantly have buffs

Or

[merry osprey]

@mental hull hello ancine how are you

[river summit]

any ideas when we will see druid ascs

[celest oxide]

They’re out but not up to date with release

On the subreddit

[river summit]

and pob is usually updated like what a day b4 release or is it difff witht poe 2

first time playing again since literally 0.1.0

[woven depot]

same day usually, depends when the json drops

[river summit]

gotcha fair nuff

[merry osprey]

i think you are better off going for inc es% jewels and clicking 5% inc damage if u want to do this

[silent matrix]

nah global defences also scales eva and deflection at the same time. especially getting % inc deflection is an incredibly rare stat, getting like 400% is pretty damn good

[civic flame]

brother i want to play as pathfinder this league what do you think about bleeding concoction build? or you recommend build for me pls 1st time pathfinder build

[merry osprey]

sure also pathfinder has the ele damage reduction stuff

[silent matrix]

like 10 points are 50% inc dmg and 50% ES from jewel, or 50% ES, eva and deflection and 50% inc dmg from jewel

[silent matrix]

concoctions are dead af

[civic flame]

and what good for pathfinder brother

[silent matrix]

any skill, really. crossbows looking pretty hot with the auto reload on kill for example

[merry osprey]

spiral volley poison pf is probably what im starting

[silent matrix]

I was thinking doing the double poison and fish for crits, it just kinda sucks we lost the prolif

[merry osprey]

with gas arrow + toxic growth for single target

well u still get prolif from herald of plague if ur attacks

[silent matrix]

yea, sure, still tho

[merry osprey]

u gain 2 ascendancy points back

u can basically do this next patch (potentially) which i think is kind of crazy

[woven depot]

its arguably a good change, its just unfortunate we dont have options for non martial poison prolif now

[merry osprey]

true but ggg clearly hates prolif

[woven depot]

truth

[silent matrix]

fax

[woven depot]

look at cracklecreep

[silent matrix]

imo the biggest, best node on PF is the alt choices for travel nodes and witch/warrior start

warrior has so much goddamn aoe and stun, it's insane

and ele stun unnerfed

[merry osprey]

im not sure if i agree with that

[woven depot]

ill travel there for lasting trauma alone

[merry osprey]

i think poison especially has plenty of reasons to stay in ranger and monk area and not much reason to be elsewhere

theyre also adding aoe to monk

[celest oxide]

Do you guys think Wyvern or Bear looks more fun?

Wolf really doesn’t move me

[woven depot]

werewolf for me

prob bear 2nd

[celest oxide]

If Werewolf seems mechanically strong I’ll be more intrigued

[dreamy bridge]

going bear. the ancestral cry + bearpocalypse has me hooked

[silent matrix]

I bet there's going to be some sick unique talismans for special transformations

like that exarch fire demon

[celest oxide]

For Wyvern the prospect of Spell/Melee hybrid spamming Rend into Fire Breath flying in the air sounds cool

[celest oxide]

The fucking Balrog Bear looks so cool

[dreamy bridge]

i forgot but I think they said the revealed unique transform (demon beast) is the only one for now

[merry osprey]

only 75 points for this tree is pretty sick tbh, i think skipping the last jewel is fine cuz it has a decent opportunity cost but

plenty of space for crit chance and movement speed

[silent matrix]

rly? sad

[silent matrix]

@merry osprey yea exactly

[celest oxide]

Ultimately it’s gonna come down to how many steps of the Shapeshift combos we can automate

Like will we be able to automate the volcanos

[silent matrix]

99% sure we won't, they hate automation

[merry osprey]

u cant automate those because theyre channelled

[silent matrix]

rip

oh right, speaking of, any class can use talismans, right?

PF gonna be exceptionally good for weapon swap tech

[dreamy bridge]

yeah, just the attributes stopping you

[celest oxide]

I think Smith can automate the volcanos

[static torrent]

Just like any other weapon type, yes.

[celest oxide]

Oh they’re channeled

[silent matrix]

I can get attr on suffix, I can't get global def or dmg on suffix

[celest oxide]

Never mind

[silent matrix]

just sad that jewel corrupt implicits are so boring

[quiet vale]

There doesn't seem to be a way to consistently generate lots of elemental infusions other than spamming lightning warp, right?

[merry osprey]

https://poe2db.tw/us/Living_Bomb

can trigger this

[quiet vale]

That doesn't create lots though right? Eg creating multiple per second (the way lightning warp does)

[merry osprey]

it can

[quiet vale]

Aha interesting, I'll investigate - thanks

[dreamy bridge]

wonder if they'll add more water skills

actually hear me out

freeze into ignite to wet, then convert to another freeze or shock

[cedar aspen]

It’s also nice to use now because it got quite a good buff for damage

[waxen sonnet]

Double corrupted to eliminate lose rage on max rage for spell totems sounds maybe good?

[near jewel]

guys, what do you think of Kitava thorns build now? on start?

[carmine flicker]

look like druid will be unplayable without combos
sadge
back to minions I guess
may be minion druid with those "oracle" nodes

[river summit]

wdym without combos

[river summit]

could be

[unique crystal]

Did they already release a new tree planner preview?

[woven depot]

dont think so

theres this thing if you are interested https://imgsli.com/NDMyNzUx

[unique crystal]

cheers, not yet enough to get the creative juices flowing ;_;

[spark ingot]

bait as always. you get "100% increased thorns!" but... you lose Base thorns that overall would give you more. so in First day could be better, but the longer you play the weaker you get in comparison. if you want something more New, BUT keep in mind that it could be more bait, is Shaman Thorns. with Bound effect for Runes of tithing and Stag talisman... could be Goood. + he too has good Elemental Defensive Nodes

[near jewel]

I will bo bear or wolf then

slave top da meta

[spark ingot]

u can do Bear Thorns too

[lament snow]

https://tenor.com/view/reaction-my-eyes-cant-unsee-burn-gif-7225082

[woven depot]

haha i have darkmode on my webbrowser so looks fine to me

[lament snow]

i meant more they can't take the splendor

[woven depot]

truth

[lament snow]

https://tenor.com/view/no-way-oh-my-god-omg-what-the-hell-oh-my-goodness-gif-17011377582342857876

[woven depot]

happy we finally getting a bunch more aoe nodes in monk area

and another poison cluster

[green harness]

How are y’all getting around the casting speed changes?

[steady granite]

Would i be correct in my understanding if I said to scale Ancestral Cry's damage, I would scale flammability magnitude, fire damage and ignite damage? And the added phys/other elements from gear would be converted to fire then all those factors would scale from the previously mentioned scaling?

[summer pasture]

Correct, but on your weapon increased physical damage is local to the weapon so it'll boost the weapons base damage before converting

[steady granite]

Excellent, thank you!

[tulip fog]

two questions regarding this screenshot:

1. it says the archon buff is removed by any non-instant attack, then i should be able to keep it if i only use spells right?
2. does cooldown recovery rate work for reducing the recovery period of the Archon Buff? or if the recovery period counts as a debuff (someone in global chat told me it might count as a debuff) would "debuffs expire on you x% faster" work?

[peak dawn]

Do we have access to the 0.4 Passive Tree or not until release? I'm trying to start thinking about what build I want to play

[tulip fog]

its usually only released the day before or the same day as the release, they usually work on updating stuff and adding new stuff until the same day

[peak dawn]

I figured, ty anyway

[tulip fog]

on rare occasions we get it beforehand but not often

[peak dawn]

I just want a tanky build, I've been playing PoE1 and keep playing glass cannons but I'm tired of dying 😂

Gonna look for something with actual bulk, ideally not minions, and see how that feels

[tulip fog]

if it werent for my build getting its tankiness nerfed somewhat in the next season i would reccommend you my build, its INSANELY tanky

[peak dawn]

What's the build?

[tulip fog]

and i recover 120% of damage taken over 1 second

[peak dawn]

Also just for reference my poe1 builds have all been like Lightning Arrow Deadeye, KB Deadeye, etc so literally get 1 shot builds xd

[tulip fog]

its a recoup focused Chronomancer build

i use ignite applied with fireball, volatile dead and incinerate to deal damage

[peak dawn]

Ah that's cool! I haven't really played poe2 since release and I know Chrono was ass then but I liked the idea of it, cool to see good builds for it now

[tulip fog]

as long as i dont get 1-shot or stay in damage over time puddles for too long i cannot die

[peak dawn]

I think if I could have either an extremely tanky Chronomancer, Witch or Druid build (without minions) then I'd love that so that's probably what I'll look for

[tulip fog]

i literally tanked a 9K damage hit and recovered all of it in 1 second today

[peak dawn]

xd

[tulip fog]

the nerf that affected my build made me lose half of my recovery speed, so it takes 2 seconds rather than 1 second to recover

[peak dawn]

Oof

[tulip fog]

yeah

[peak dawn]

ig I'll look through the ascendancies again to see which class sounds like fun and just try to figure out something from there

[tulip fog]

but i completely understand the need to nerf it, it IS way too strong haha

[uncut bay]

defences are fun to plan, there are mainly two ways to be tanky: either you stack a lot of ES or you stack some ES with tons of evasion, deflect and ghost dance

so with atalui and tecrod out of the picture something like essence drain lich can be incredibly tanky with over 20k ES

just as an example. in 0.4 witchhunter is gonna be tanky btw

[fathom thistle]

When it comes to choosing a skill to build around, how do you determine the way you scale the skill's damage? Like some skills like crit stacking, some skills like large physical damage, some like elemental damage stacking and some like lots of aoe or attack speed. This part is confusing me

[tulip fog]

usually you can with some experience in the game tell from looking at the skill description, like, whats the base crit chance? % of attack damage and/or attackspeed? skill modifiers?
other times you can tell if a skill works well in certain situations from testing it out or seeing how it behaves from a showcase

[fathom thistle]

How high of critical strike chance would make a skill better at scaling crit than raw damage or attack speed?

[tulip fog]

the higher base crit chance a skill has the easier it is to cap crit chance with it

if a skill has high attackspeed modifier its easier to build towards that

[fathom thistle]

What is "high"?

[tulip fog]

like, a base attackspeed modifier that is higher than basic attacks id say, for example

basic attacks is around 60% of attackspeed

so anything at or north of like 80% is high if you ask me

[tulip fog]

and for "raw damage" if you want to just stack as much flat damage from gear and weapon as possible you want a high attack% modifier to multiply that

[static torrent]

There's no Attack Speed modifier on Default Attack.

[celest oxide]

Yesss CaptainLance is leaguestarting with Bear Shaman

[timid cloud]

anyone thought of making wolf monk build? I wanna go for wolf monk build and with the buff that its asendency got for reservation invocation gems it will be so fire

[slender furnace]

Im still not a fan of either monk ascendancy

[peak dawn]

Essence Drain could be fun I’ll look into it, thank you :)

[prime flicker]

how do i share my build? i need help

[woven depot]

Yo, have you found your way to poeninja and/or pob (path of building) yet? They’re the easiest tools for this

[analog patrol]

in shaman tree is "every 2 rage also grants 1% more spell damage" so if i have "Crown of Eyes" so "Increases and Reductions to Spell damage also apply to Attacks" = 1% more attack damage per 2 rage" ???

[acoustic lava]

how does culling strike work in multiplayer

I'm trying to tool together a duo build with a friend but I saw like 2 year old posts on it being nerfed/bugged

[hybrid ocean]

Maybe I'm reading it wrong, but I would intuit that it literally means only increases and reductions [sic], so 'more' wouldn't qualify

But I could totally be wronf

[woven depot]

you’d be right

[hybrid ocean]

That's good- I'm just tempering my confidence since I haven't played for many months

[harsh fern]

they removed poison prolif from pathfinder, does it exist on other sources?

[lime totem]

no, afaik

[harsh fern]

i haven't played a pf poison before, is losing it a big deal?

[formal silo]

can someone expalin double barrel 1 and 2 to me. Double Barrel 1 is 30% less reload speed while double barrel 2 is 20% less reload speed, so you want the lower number?

[hybrid ocean]

Are the explosions from elemental surge their own hits?

[craggy latch]

Do my minions also get 50+ rage with this? i have and idea of shaman minion with this node but i'm not sure .

[carmine flicker]

rage regen node with no spending rage and bunch of reavers?

[craggy latch]

that's the idea

[carmine flicker]

but no, they have their own max rage

when you gain rage so do they, but they don't have rage equal to yours

like when they revive they have zero and will gain gradualy as you regain it

it still can be good idea, idk about other shaman nodes
not like there are any good minion-specific nodes in ascendancies at all

[marble jasper]

anyone else thinking lizard wizard could be the move for spell totem support?

[latent dawn]

+7 corrupted to its maximum should round up to 9 right?
7x1.22 = 8.54

[wraith palm]

always round down

[copper forge]

Hey, idk if this is the right channel to ask:

I am planning on returning to the game after not playing since release. I would like to play a tanky melee build. Can someone give me an idea of class / ascendency that would fit? So i can look up something on YT etc

[formal geyser]

Gonna be really any warrior ascendancy or probably bear druid

Really you can make any ascendancy tanky and melee, just effectiveness is the question

[carmine flicker]

Just bear in mind that most tanky builds are ES builds
That are rarely melee
May be druid will be good as es/melee, who know

[celest oxide]

Bear seems tailormade for Smith of Kitava honestly

[carmine flicker]

Who know
May be
At least it will be alternative lvling route for warriors

[copper forge]

Maybe i will just start the League a well later amd see what ppl are playing, seems hard to guess what's gonna be good

[carmine flicker]

@copper forge can I pm you?

[nova echo]

what are the current strongest flicker variants and are they feasable to gear on ssf?

[copper forge]

Sure

[high rivet]

i like thorns

with warbringer can feel really tanky

[quartz pewter]

Hard pass on thorns... you enjoy that

[river dew]

with Combat Frenzy is the cooldown per type of affliction, or shared? Eg if I shock and chill and pin is that 3 charges, or once I do one of those it starts the timer for all of them?

[woven otter]

power charge generation buffed in a cpl ways which is nice

[formal geyser]

rip bone cage blood mage. Atalui's + Tecrod nerf is a double tap to the head.

[dreamy bridge]

bonestorm is unchanged 🙂

just need a god roll on the snakepit corrupt

[formal geyser]

bonestorm just feels so BAD

solid bossing though

But it's really glitchy on some of those bosses aren't on the actual floor, like the titan with the knife

[dreamy bridge]

yeah it's weird with that guy

I'm just very stubborn with bonestorm lmao. did it in 0.1 and 0.3

[formal geyser]

though bonestorm would also get a big nerf bat with atalui and tecrod

[dreamy bridge]

atalui doesn't work with bonestorm

[formal geyser]

no?

[dreamy bridge]

I tried, and it didn't seem to change anything

might be because it's channeled

[formal geyser]

doesn't show a limitation

the shaman rage giving 1% more spell damage per 2 rage has me very intrigued though

[dreamy bridge]

yeah I'm locked in on fire bear with kaom cry

[formal geyser]

37 rage is 17% more spell damage?

and it regens with mana regen, so you could maybe get that to regen 20% of rage per second

curious if Berserk will affect that

[dreamy bridge]

only if it says "Rage also grants..."

[formal geyser]

"Every 2 Rage also grants"

[dreamy bridge]

ohh then yeah

[formal geyser]

huh yeah, jsut checked and it doesn't.

[silver urchin]

Have we seen any of the Wyvern tooltips yet? Maybe on poedb somewhere?

[river vessel]

I'm confused about choosing a build to finish the end of ss 0.4

[formal geyser]

So with berserk, assuming it works, that 17% becomes 28ish% more spell damage

That's prettttty gud

[silver urchin]

The patch notes don't really specify how they changed and merged the Archons. Was that in the Q&A?
Is it basically:
25% more elemental damage with Spells
Deal no non-elemental damage with Spells
Hits with Spells cause 100% more Freeze Buildup
Spells have 100% more Flammability Magnitude
Hits with Spells have 100% more Shock chance
Those are all of the non-exclusive lines from the three Archons.

[formal geyser]

Also isn't the wand/staff bonded portion literally a notable passive? That's kinda crazy

[dreamy bridge]

considering it's both 30% inc spell and armour break, yeah very good for phys

noo volcano doesn't have phys. just the vines

[formal geyser]

You know what we gotta do lmao

[dreamy bridge]

goodbye bonestorm bloodmage, hello bonestorm shaman

[formal geyser]

Shame building crit in anything but blood mage feels like ass

[dreamy bridge]

just wish they add a chunky phys spell for bleedmage

[formal geyser]

Base 15% crit is ridiculous

[formal geyser]

Where exsanguination

[dreamy bridge]

truee. blood mage with no blood spells

actually I should consider lolcohol’s reap build

oh right forgot the datamined exsang wand

[heavy tinsel]

Is it just me or does self hit with the new adaptation ascendancy nodes basically make you immune to elemental damage?

[silver urchin]

The what?

[heavy tinsel]

Basically the new druid ascendancy nodes give you adaptation when you get hit by a specific element

It also makes you take Phys as all three elements

[silver urchin]

Oh the leaked ones? Those are already outdated apparently

So no guarantees about function

[heavy tinsel]

Adpatoon gives -dmg% for that element so if you get physical self hits you should be able to cap adaptation all the time

Darn

[silver urchin]

I was blind, the content reveal page on the website has all 4 tooltips

[void loom]

Witch wyvern blackflame anyone?

[gilded surge]

Sounds like it'd work, for sure

Numbers on the flame breath look pretty reasonable, extrapolating from the lvl13 version on the announcement page

Power charges are easy to get, rage might be a bit annoying till you have jewels for it

[void loom]

ooooh

I am a complete PoE2 noob. Last league for the first time I had a 90+ char in trade.

[gilded surge]

Nice! What sort of build?

[void loom]

edc witch 🥲

I wanted to do blackflame witch but didn't end up to that ever

[gilded surge]

For wyvern you'll probably be picking between spell damage and attack damage; both should work with blackflame but I'm skeptical about scaling both at the same time unless the new passive tree stuff in the top-left is absolutely cracked

[dreamy bridge]

probably similar to the spear notables. spell damage on attack use and attack damage on spell use

[gilded surge]

If so, yuck
(I was never a fan of the spear notables, particularly the ones that require you to guess how far you need to retreat to activate them)

[silver urchin]

I'm angy about it honestly. "Max" duration, rage cost, and a cooldown

[dreamy bridge]

I'm hard coping the new keystone based on divine shield will be something like "armour based on %XX of missing ES"

[gilded surge]

Yeah they're trying very hard to make it an ultimate. First triple conditional skill I think (rage, power charge, cooldown)

We'll have to wait and see what other fire stuff the wyvern gets, if any

[silver urchin]

If I reduce the magnitude of ignites on me to 0% or less, am I still ignited? Or am I ignite immune?

[dreamy bridge]

still ignited i assume

if it still builds up flammability

[silver urchin]

It's testable in game atm but I don't have the patience to figure it out to be honest

the One With Flame notable and the Self Immolation cluster give 120% reduced ignite magnitude on you, and give boosts while ignited

[errant lark]

Blackflame specifically says «spells».

I dunno why, even after Jonathan said it would work, I don’t think it will work

[errant lark]

You are still ignited

You are effectively “unaffected” by ignite, not immune

I’ll probably attempt some self ignite shenanigans with cracklecreep and hammer of the gods to snapshot a ignite

[gilded surge]

The keystone is spells only, the unique ring affects all ignites (but not your hits)

[sharp thorn]

I remember there was a node near warrior to make full broken armour matter on fire damage, so, volcano still can be used depending on what do you have.

[dreamy bridge]

I mean I can't use volcano to break armour

[sharp thorn]

Oh, right.

[silver urchin]

Technically you can, but only as a Warbringer

[unreal igloo]

Flicker druid going to be a thing. Just need to see what stats we get with runes.
Not sure if it would be better then invoker but you don't need any clunky weapon swaps

[uncut bay]

if I have to sacrifice a helmet slot like this it will make me a bit sad

but an interesting synergy nevertheless

[errant lark]

Hateforge is going to be a t0 unique next league. Easily in the 50+ divine range

It has a 2% drop rate from trial master

[quiet vale]

Storm Weaver, with the +2 elemental limit... Can have 3 living bombs out there, and then put 3 firestorms. Right?

Want to make sure I understood it

[errant lark]

Correct

[quiet vale]

Thanks!

[unreal igloo]

I know what to buy day 1/2 when prices are low

[river summit]

So apparently walking calamity is an attack not a spell

Which might bring into question if other druid skills are attacks even though they look spelly

[static torrent]

The skills used in Shapeshift are Attacks, the ones shown to be used with a Staff are Spells.

[civic flame]

Pathfinder has howmany good build 1 or 2 around only poison?

[twin sierra]

not rlly

possibilities are endless next patch

[errant lark]

Plenty of good builds IMO. Decompose, toxic growth, plague bearer, vine arrow, aconc, etc.

[errant lark]

The even more interesting thing is that’s it’s considered “melee”.

Which means in theory it could proc fire spell on melee hit

[twin sierra]

no reason to feel locked into poison either with pf

[woven depot]

true, even less so in 0.4

[river summit]

Yeah its very wierd

Do we know what tier the unique druid weapon is?

[silver urchin]

When a skill creates Ignited Ground, how can that be scaled? Is it area damage, attack damage? Is it neither, so only effects that modify fire/ignite damage/magnitude would apply?

[silver urchin]

tier? like scarcity? no

[civic flame]

Ty

[river summit]

Yeah poe uniquee qre seperated into tiers based on rarity t0 being rarest like hh and stuff

[woven depot]

impossible to know already

[river summit]

Ye i didnt know if it was mentioned somewhere already just making sure

[silver urchin]

I know that

[bright pine]

tier information is not officially given, no

[errant lark]

No, but one would assume t1 or t0

[errant lark]

Ignited ground works the same way as the base ignite of the skill

But

It’s on the ground now

It’s kinda like gas cloud from gas grenade, but ignite

[silver urchin]

I have only played Warrior so unfortunately that comparison is not helpful

[silver urchin]

So if I have say, 20 rage. The ground created sees the damage of the hit including the 20%, then creates the ground. But then when I gain another 10 rage, the ground doesn't see the +10, so it just keeps doing what it had at the time.

[errant lark]

Hmm. Think of it as fire hammer of the gods slamming down every second, but only the ignite it applies is what does damage

[errant lark]

It snapshots. But I think? You made the correct assumption

Once the ground is down, you can’t modify the ignite it will apply

[silver urchin]

So importantly, having rage when I create the burning ground does boost its damage, assuming it is created by an attack?

[errant lark]

Correct

[silver urchin]

Excellent

Thank you

And now we wait to see what precisely they mean by The values of Flammability Magnitude on the Passive Tree have been increased massively.

1.5x? 2x?

[river summit]

Any ways to get 20 percent damage convert to fire easily? The new unique is 80 only

[river summit]

Flam magnitude on this too

Is the flam nodes top left?

[silver urchin]

Ancestral Cry and Avatar of Fire seem like the best/only ways

[silver urchin]

Yeah, fire and flammabiltiy are mostly top and left

[river summit]

Probably gonna be av of fire, though if thats a bit far bears can roar and put a socketed warcry in that right? I think its called a meta gem

[silver urchin]

Depends on where you're starting, but the nodes in the area are good for slams
And yes, using Ancestral Cry as a bear was shown at some point in the stream, but IDK what they were saying about it

[high rivet]

do you guys know of another way i could break armour, ill be an infernalist, i was thinking bloodhounds mark with the support for 10% of phys breaking. but id love to know if i missed another armor break, i dont want to use resonating shield

[river summit]

Coolbeans i didnt see wherr druid starts think was top L kinda

[silver urchin]

Yes, you can see their starting point in that screenshot

Right above Warrior

[river summit]

Ah i see ty for pointing that out

[harsh fern]

anyone know?

[silver urchin]

I do not

It will matter LESS because of the mob desnity nerfs, so there's that

[quiet olive]

how do you guys plan builds without proper pob and updated tree?

[silver urchin]

One part mental math, and three parts vibes

I've got a broad plan in my head, just gotta decide on the class now

[solemn kettle]

yeah it just starts with an idea, building off known info that hasn't changed, what has changed, and vibes.

you can also make some educated guesses on what the new tree is going to have and plan accordingly. We know we're getting druid, we know that the shapeshifting uses rage in some way. we know that wolf skills use cold damage, use marks, and have interactions with minions, bear uses slam skills and warcries, wyvern skills lean towards ailments, lightning, and fire. We also know GGG kept emphasizing duration of skills to last while you're shapeshifted. Relatively safe guess that the new clusters will have stuff related to that.

[primal valve]

Flame Breath from the Wyvern Shapeshift skill is a attack and not a spell, RIP my Blackflame Wyvern dream

[solemn kettle]

ah yeah we also know they're pushing a hybrid attack/spell playstyle so there's that too

[dreamy bridge]

work around it and use xoph's support

[analog patrol]

What do you think about this starter https://mobalytics.gg/poe-2/profile/40605a65-ef32-42b8-a851-dcc4f334483e/builds/b1fed238-4512-4ac6-90ee-0a5bd989e1f9

[primal valve]

Ohhh I didn't knew that exists, I will keep that in mind

[dreamy bridge]

it's not complete conversion/extra though. just 40%

[silver urchin]

Yeah, a channeled attack with a max duration and a rage cost. Yucky honestly

[bright pine]

"starter"

[primal valve]

Thing is I didn't played anything with Rage in PoE2 yet so I can't say anything about it. Currently looking mostly for ideas that should work with the Wyvern

[silver urchin]

Sorry, I forgot to mention, it also has a cooldown

Such a shame

[primal valve]

Another idea was Pathfinder with Wyvern skills for the higher movement during casts but I would have to check for how to get Rage then

[solemn kettle]

yeah the flame breath is the least interesting skill on wyvern. Personally I'm most interested in werewolf atm

[dreamy bridge]

just 6 seconds. not the worst cooldown. can build up rage in that time

[primal valve]

I think I might play it safe first with Shaman Druid if the Keystones stay kinda the same with the Rage generation and such just to check out all the shapeshift forms

[solemn kettle]

Shaman is pretty interesting with the traveler path

I'm assuming predator's mark will be baked into this skill

[sweet gale]

Hey, I wasn't sure if the new Breath attack from Wyvern hits or if it is a Dot... I would assume its just a very fast hitting range attack when it comes to tags?

[solemn kettle]

very fast small attacks with high ignite

[sweet gale]

thanks. is ignite evene viable on it? I always thought you want one thicc hit for ignite buids?

[solemn kettle]

no clue but 750% magnitude seems like quite a bit

I haven't played ignite so I can't say

[silver urchin]

750 more magnitude at 70% DE means you're basically igniting from 595% of your damage

Seems pretty decent?

[formal geyser]

Starter with headhunter? My man that ain't a starter

[silver urchin]

Hey, he's only using it for the attributes!

[marsh oyster]

Where is this info coming from?

[silver urchin]

https://pathofexile2.com/druids

[marsh oyster]

Peak, thank you

[merry osprey]

(it also got incredibly buffed by ahns citadel + kaoms madness changes, like absurdly hard)

[marsh oyster]

Is it possible to get phys convert to cold? Or for wolf do I just have to do partial phys and partial cold

[formal geyser]

Rolling magma with wyvern + volcano seems like it could be strong

[river summit]

whats that ammy that reflects fire back to you but has like +4 to fire skills

[formal geyser]

Also the big whip vines for physical damage + rain storm to empower them could be solid too

[vivid dagger]

anyone knows how to make hexblast work??

[sweet gale]

Fireflower

[river summit]

do you know if the 100 is before reductions should be right?

cuz for druid you might be able to mega stack thee damage reduction stuff by damaging yourself

[sweet gale]

damage should be before reductions. Funny your saying that, i am working on a self ignite crit Wyvern build right now^^

I was wondering if you can use shields with talisman

[river summit]

very nice

you cant cuz the talisman is noted as a 2 handed weapon

which is actually pretty good as the base crit atk speed etc is really good on them

[sweet gale]

i guess as a one handed it would be broken af xD

[river summit]

definately

[burnt gust]

Which ascendancy do you see in 0.4 being best for xbow leveling into lightning xbow?

[fickle orbit]

What are people's thoughts on going cold-crit-wolf-invoker (mostly using existing cold invoker tree as base, with "extra as cold, avatar, crits ignore resist and either meta Or trigger as last", versus doing same but full converting to lightning with whisper of brotherhood (swapping extra as cold to lightning)? Probably with some kind of CoC like comet or similar.

Which version do you reckon will perform better? I suspect doing full swap to lightning for shock will benefit more than doing chill/freeze stuff, especially as melee. Obviously we don't know how wolf stuff synergises with ailments yet, but in a vacuum what are your thoughts?

[sharp tulip]

yo boys, who can help me

i want start play on spark but i see blood witch killed or still can play ?

[bright pine]

it's not a leaguestarter anyways

some variant of spark always lives but typically needs a lot of gear to get good

[dreamy bridge]

wdym killed? the build hasn't been changed a lot. the only change is rathpith going from 5% crit per life to 3% but it'll be a week before you can get one

[jovial light]

Call me crazy here, but as a thing for bosses surely you can do tempest bell+flame breath

The only thing is that I'm not sure if you can increase the hit limit for the bell

[wild scarab]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3sGaFlMf66U

is anything changed about this that would make it not viable?

since it got showcased

[formal geyser]

Herald of thunder was nerfed a little, but otherwise no

[timid aurora]

For .4 is blood mage and infernal still way better than sorcerer

[tulip fog]

if i have this

would i still lose life from this?

or only energy shield?

[formal geyser]

Only es

[smoky zodiac]

Does anyone know what filters I could put into PoE 2 Ninja to find builds for Doedre's Undoing/Impending Doom? Since PoB can't calculate their DPS numbers it makes it difficult to find builds that are tanky and have good DPS

[carmine flicker]

Define tanky and how much is good for you?

[carmine flicker]

Literally nothing can change how much life you have as long as you have ES

[steady knot]

Can someone help me with some planning: does the inspiring leader passive (the banners also grant ele resist) work even when the banner isn’t planted? POB makes it seem like so

[smoky zodiac]

Tanky as in let's say at least 10K phys max hit, 40k ele max hit, and 20k EHP with some adequate amount of recovery/sustain.

I also can't use Soulless Form because the Despair mana costs are far too much. Would need like 10K life at least to make that work.

So that means Atziri's Disdain tech isn't going to work here

[woven depot]

you can pob impending doom all you want, works just fine

but for ninja just filter for them individually, nobody would use both

[carmine flicker]

how about 80k max ele hit and 20k phys?

and infinite(?) ehp, cause idk, never died to multiple hits

not infinite ofc, just good recovery

[silent prawn]

anyone having an Idea how to build the Hailstorm Rounds build shown in the Patch-showcase?
it looked interesting

looked like Hailstorm rounds, Shattering palm and Frozen locus

volatility monk?

[latent dawn]

at what timestamp in the video

[tulip fog]

i wonder if this could be considered pretty decent survivability, heh
just having to avoid damage for 1.78 seconds and you have already recovered 91% of your ES
(1 second for the recovery and 0.78 for the delay)

[silent prawn]

around 35:50

[latent dawn]

hmm, hard to say which class it is huh, think you got it right though

top left icons has a companion, then the volatile tack, then one icon im not sure of

[silent prawn]

ok so either hollow palm in set 2 or quarter staff

[latent dawn]

oh its chonk

volatile stack is a debuff under the companion icon, the icon to the right of the companion is the purple flame right?

chaos dmg stack

[silent prawn]

yeah its the breach thing from chonk

can see the flames around

[latent dawn]

cold dmg and scaling chaos at the same time hmm

[celest oxide]

Shaman or Titan for Bear Shapeshifter (Or maybe Wyvern?)

[latent dawn]

Smith of Kitava also a good option

[silent prawn]

can talismans be equiped on everyone?

[latent dawn]

yes

you can have your wolf monk or your wyvern witch

[silent prawn]

more frost trigger ;D

[static torrent]

There are no class restrictions on gear in PoE2.

[latent dawn]

just "preferences"

with ascendancy bonuses

[smoky zodiac]

Curious that you point that out, I just had a thought, would they even work together? Like could Doedre's Dark Desire leave them with a curse that then explodes with Impending Doom (for bosses/tankier enemies that don't die immediately to DDD)?

[smoky zodiac]

You absolutely have my attention

[latent dawn]

anyway, anyone think this is worth the hassle of having to press Snap every 4 seconds?

Snap, even with no target, triggers all 3 elements at once for this support but the 4 second timer on it is definitely a bit bothersome

so random snap to give 36% more to your main skill sounds good but the annoyance at remembering to upkeep it.. ugh

[woven depot]

no clue tbh, would have to log in and check haha

[woven depot]

theres 140 characters using both so ig?https://poe.ninja/poe2/builds/abyss?allskills=Doedre's+Undoing&anointed=Impending+Doom

didnt think thatd be the case tbh

[tranquil wagon]

guys now minion build is ok or not havent tried it before i need advise from exp player

[latent dawn]

Oracle Druid has new minion nodes that others dont have access to so its worth looking into that when we have all the details, and it starts close to all the same Minion stuff as Witch so definitely possible to do a Minion Druid right away

As for flavor of minions, there's lots of variations with the builds you can check on https://poe.ninja/poe2/builds/

the only big nerf to minions between 0.3 and 0.4 is the special Frozen Mandible monster can't be a spectre anymore

[tranquil wagon]

road this bro 🥲 when i want to try it they nerfed ittttt

[tranquil wagon]

so as you say now we can play minion on druid sounds coool

[magic pier]

you can play minions from anywhere xd

[latent dawn]

My 0.1 minion build was... Mercenary lol lv 40 Skel archers was a bit op

Anyone with Chayula Monk (Chonk) know or could test how Whispering Ice unique staff works with the volatility on elemental ailment thing? Does the chill aura generate a good amount of volatility or is it too little (you constantly consume and reapply it while casting ice storm)

[wraith palm]

Consume gives enemies immunity to the ailment for a second 🙁

[tulip fog]

can you equip multiple lineage supports (of different types) to a single skill?

i am considering how these two interacts with eachother...

[carmine flicker]

I PMed you with the link

[carmine flicker]

they are same category

both are cursed ground, won't work

[tulip fog]

so i cant get both the effects on the same curse? i.e. it first detonates for 200% of INT and then after 7 seconds the annihilation effect triggers

[static torrent]

They're both the same category, you can only have one support of a given category in a single skill.

[tulip fog]

hmm, okay, i was not aware of that, i thought they removed any similar limitations when they changed the supportgem limitations

[static torrent]

No, categories were added after they changed them.

[tranquil wagon]

was?

[latent dawn]

Yea, was, I dont play it anymore :p 0.1 was a year ago.

40 lv 40 skel archers, I wonder how many you can have at once now

[tranquil wagon]

hmmm

need to check which builds will shine this league

for fast leveling story do you have any recommendaitions guys guide or whatever to check

[silent prawn]

anyone know what is stacking on the skill Shattering palm in the showcase at 35:50?
something blue. might that be the 200% crit?

[latent dawn]

Depends what class but the FASTEST leveling afaik is Mercenary with Grenades build

the winner of multiple recent races did a 4 hour-ish campaign run, starting from fresh (no gold, no stash from previous chars)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HHgj_fpj4g4

thats the video of his full run

with a link to the build in the description

[latent dawn]

do you mean on the skill icon at the bottom or ?

[silent prawn]

in the skill bar yes

[latent dawn]

not sure, might be a new support.. hard to say x: havent seen it before

[tranquil wagon]

faster than lightning bow?

[latent dawn]

yea grenades blasting is faster

[still dirge]

its worth

[latent dawn]

yea.. just gotta click the button every 4 second.. sigh haha

[still dirge]

infernalist with nova is extremely fast

its probably the fastest but the runners like merc

[still dirge]

not really

nova should 1 shot shitters, then on things it doesnt 1 shot you just use snap behind you as you pass them, and then it will buff the nova for the next pack and wont leave behind anything, and snap cooldown will recover

then on boss if you're an orbman and doing ice bomb, unleash lightning orb, unleash solar orb thats 3 elements every 6 seconds its good uptime without snap

[vocal goblet]

is there any easy way to go low life in HO especially for lich?

[fast night]

Will it be possible to do a monk werewolf build?

[woven depot]

Yes

[pastel vapor]

Anyone thinking of a vine/water build? Any synergy ideas so far?

[icy kiln]

So for new Druid ascendancy with rage and not losing it, do you just perma degen if you’re also using berserk?

Theoretically

[carmine flicker]

need to actually test skills and all before thinking about ideas that might not work since we know basically nothing so far

[icy kiln]

I’m also looking at rage caster, do you think using berserk would just make you perma degen cause you’re never losing rage?

[cedar aspen]

I’m interested what the final state of the Druid ascendancies will be because that 4th rage node where you passively gain rage but spend it on every spell is wild.

Coupled that with Berserk, damage uptime will be huge but you’d better make sure the health degen is mitigated

[silent matrix]

does global defence scale deflection?

yes, right?

[wraith palm]

es, armor, evasion

[silent matrix]

hm but pob says it does?

or am I misunderstanding deflection?

"gain x% of eva as deflection" means if I have 1000 evasion from my chest, I get x% of it as base deflection

but any %inc eva does not increase deflection

right?

but if I put % global defences in pob it does increase deflection

[silent matrix]

that doesnt mention deflection though

[wraith palm]

if ur taking nodes like this it pseudo helps yeah cause its increasing evasion, but no, deflection is not global defenses

"evasion rating" is the important part for that example node

[silent matrix]

wait now I am ultra confused

ohwait

10% deflection rating gets me to 160 in that case, but 10% global defence to 176?

[wraith palm]

might be a bug, 10% is 10%

[silent matrix]

yea but why is global def even doing anything if defl isnt a defence

or is it? but then why double count?

so confusion

[wraith palm]

cause you have those nodes, the increase to evaison from global defenses increases your evasion rating, which those deflect nodes feed from

[silent matrix]

fucking pob prolly just bugged I assume?

wait no

only flat evasion is converted to deflection I thought?

so any %inc evasion or more evasion or whatever has no effect

[carmine flicker]

well. no

[silent matrix]

like new iron reflexes

[silent matrix]

wait, it isn't?

[wraith palm]

i think those rolls are global, they're good

[carmine flicker]

final eva is converted to deflection

[silent matrix]

but I thought it was like iron reflexes? converts/gain as no longer care about origin?

[carmine flicker]

for.. reason? ask ggg

[silent matrix]

jesus fkn chroist on a stick

this geme

but wait

[silent matrix]

so that means global defences DOES work for deflection? or what?

this is going in circles :D

[wraith palm]

deflection is not a glbal defense

evasion is

deflection is based on your evasion rating

• globa defenses = + evasion rating, so then deflection goes up

[silent matrix]

okay so that just means it doesn't double dip? but in the end it just works?

[wraith palm]

it does not double dip, no

it works because you have evasion. if you didnt have evasion deflection wouldnt do anything

[silent matrix]

yea that I did not expect anyways, I was just wondering. I thought % inc eva does not increase deflect

[wraith palm]

or armor if you go that route, but i heard it doesnt work so good

[formal geyser]

Yes

[icy kiln]

Fuck so you have to find a way to mitigate that somehow

[zinc drift]

You can get 3% life regen for 60 spirit with vitality 1 and 2 if you're lazy.

[dreamy echo]

do we have an ascendancy that will benefit the shapeshifting? i think we have one for a caster druid but none for shapeshifting?

[icy kiln]

That should solve it because berserk is only 0.1% life lost per second. You also could sacrifice charms to make up for the extra spirit

Until you figure out a new solution at least

Unless I’m not understanding how it’s working

[zinc drift]

Nah you're right, with 30 max rage it's 3% life degen per second.

The more max rage you get the more regen you'll need.

[wraith palm]

thikn of shapeshifting as another weapon type

[icy kiln]

Ohh i missed that line. I’m not sure you’d actually even use the charm mastery, there’s not a ton of spirit gems that would be crazy beneficial

[dreamy echo]

i see, so not really as a focus for ascendancy. got it. no wonder there's a lot of talk about ice werewolf monk. or mage wyvern

[wraith palm]

yeah the shapeshifting part might have some stuff on that side of the tree but it comes from the talisman, which is the new weapon

[dreamy echo]

im guessing werebear will fit nicely with tank build

[wraith palm]

and lateer im sure the third druid ascendancy will have some shapeshifting stuff tied to it but that's just a guess

[dreamy echo]

yeah i'm also assuming that the 3rd one will have the bonus for shapeshifting.. now i'm not sure if i want to go full druid or ice werewolf monk 😅

[wraith palm]

im staying away from everything as much as i can to be as blind as i can haha. if you're looking stuff up i would play what yo think looks or sounds the most fun 🙂

[dreamy echo]

i'll probably go druid and go trial and error with it, might accidentally create a broken build that will kill anything or a broken character that cannot kill anything 😂

[icy kiln]

Would hateforge work? Or not because that’s not “inherent loss” that’s just losing it

[zinc drift]

Hateforge should work, the wording is different and it doesn't interact with inherit loss.

it just makes you lose all your rage on reaching max rage.

[icy kiln]

You also do need to take the charm thing to take berserk and vitality. I also was gonna run like volcano + cast on ignite rolling magma and make a lava spewing rage caster

[icy kiln]

So then it would make you lose all your rage with hateforge?

[zinc drift]

"Lose all rage on reaching maximum rage", so you lose it, then you regen it back up.

It doesn't care about inherit loss of rage, which the shaman node stops.

[formal geyser]

If not that much. It's 0.1 per rage, so 3.7%.

[formal geyser]

It's an interesting idea to get random charges, but seems like it could enable some builds.

Idk if it's worth tho

[icy kiln]

@formal geyser @zinc drift I was thinking hateforge then run a totem with font of rage

For the charge

[zinc drift]

It's a sad day.

[formal geyser]

So with mana regen affecting rage regen, you could feasibly go mind over matter bc you'll be stacking a lot of mana regen.

[cedar aspen]

Potentially. I mean rage is so easy to build into now even in 0.3 it’s not even funny

[icy kiln]

Yeah mom sounding pretty spicy imo, just something else to synergize.

Just want updated pob

[warped viper]

does berserk instakill you on CI if you have a roll of life regen per second on gear?

[icy kiln]

That’s a good thought, is your idea to go CI and only have enough regen to not kill you?

Then you would be able to be tankier with CI

[warped viper]

ya but im not sure if it works this way. if it does it would be incredibly OP

i wonder if with server ticks or whatever u just die no matter what when u berserk on CI. i guess i do have ci character i can test this on rn

[hazy bane]

what would be great to play if I want to stay in sekhema? farm that exclusively

[icy kiln]

Would the benefit be just taking advantage of it being easier to scale to bigger numbers with ES?

[warped viper]

CI is just a great defense

it enables alot of things

so for my build, i would ideally want to be CI for many reasons, and if i can leverage berserk into it its a plus

[icy kiln]

Ah sick. Okay if you test it would you ping me? If not I can test it on Tuesday

[tulip fog]

does the extra damage per armor on shield benefit from passives that increases defenses on shield?

or does it only count base armor on the shield?

[cedar aspen]

Do you mean the nodes that say something like “increased defences on shields” because if so then no, that doesn’t count towards your shields armour being used for attacks like Shield Wall

Or if you’re talking about the node that gives you 4% attack damage per 75 armour on shield? Then that notable just gives you more attack damage to all skills overall I believe

[peak dawn]

I've been spamming looking through YT videos trying to find builds that look fun so I'm here for more opinions.

I like magic based caster builds but I'm looking for something that is insanely tanky first and foremost. Ideally excels at bossing and then clear speed can be decent and I'll be happy.

The builds I've seen so far that look good are like:
Flame Twister Huntress, Fireball Blood Mage, Ice Strike/Hollow Palm Monk or Essence Drain Lich. Basically some sort of Huntress, Witch or Monk build lmao.

Any thoughts, opinions or other builds I should look into?

[formal geyser]

Lich is probably the most tanky build with ES scaling sometimes up to 20k I think I saw. With the pack density change, it benefits ES even more.

However, it's likely that Druid ascendancies will be tanky as well. Shaman's adaptations transform physical damage into elemental, and the Oracle basically gets both life and mana as health pools. Being str/int, they start near armour nodes and it's not too far for es nodes or mana nodes for MoM.

ED Lich isn't great at bossing, really. But you can definitely check out Last Lament as a build for Lich. Very good bossing and decent clear.

[peak dawn]

Got it and I will check out the build. Any idea if any of the Blood Mage builds are tanky at all? Some of those look fun as well

[formal geyser]

Life stacking reap should still be quite tanky. Quite a few blood mage builds got shrekt recently with the changes to ataluis (skill support gem) and tecrods (jewel). Blood mage should still be decently tanky with the blood barrier and ES on chest being gained as life node. Blood Mage is by default decent because of instant life leech and base crit of any spell being 15%.

[peak dawn]

Okay cool I'll look more into that as well then. Thanks again

[formal geyser]

You can also go spectre minions on infernalist. With the infernal hound you're quite tanky and your bossing and clear is good.

[peak dawn]

Thoughts on Twister Amazon? I heard Amazon can get pretty Tanky as well and it just kinda looked fun

[formal geyser]

I never played it myself, but I've seen vids of those builds and it's quite good for clear. Buffed a bit bc twisters can carry ignites if you fit those in somehow. Idk how much the builds were affected by the removal of "reduced move speed penalty when using skills" affixes

[peak dawn]

Yeah I saw a lot of people mentioning that

Tbh that might be the build I try, I saw something about Amazon has leech on ele dmg and can leech ES instead of Life or in addition to idk so the Flame Twister = insane ES Leech which makes them insanely tanky ig?

[formal geyser]

That I don't know well enough to answer

[icy kiln]

Lmao, watch the most recent exiled again video, captain lance had the same idea and tested it, it works. Not sure what worked but he was using berserk with CI

[warped viper]

did he get life regen or it just works cuz the rage is less than 50%

[icy kiln]

That i am not sure. I didn’t watch the vod just the clip

Wait no he maxes out his rage

[warped viper]

ya well if u max out rage it still doesnt drain you more than 50%

if its rounding down u may not even need any life regen

[icy kiln]

Oh yeah true

Even then, in theory you would only need 2 life regen max. I guess that’s still an affix.

[warped viper]

ya true

[formal geyser]

Think my plan for league start is stardew valley druid with armour/es

[elfin dock]

oh I'm deffo going druid out of the gate and then probably into whatever broken build is most fun to run public parties with, probably gonna be pathfinder.

[hybrid ocean]

Is there any way to increase the maximum number of elemental surges stored?

[analog rain]

Hey guys, i'm watching a video about the updates on the 12th, are spell meta gems new? I remember you could cast comet alot with meta gems in 0.1, how is this different, other than 0.1 it was very strong
ty

[formal silo]

Anyone cooking up wolf stuff?

[silver urchin]

I had a probably bad idea for it but I'm not sure if I'm cooked or cooking

It's Tactician

[uncut bay]

mainly cast on ailment is new

[formal silo]

I think it could be good but no clue where you will get the int

Like left side of the tree has rage, yet right side has crit and ele damage

[silver urchin]

Travel nodes and gear, just like every other stat

[analog rain]

ty

[unreal girder]

Are the revealed wolf skills all of them or will we get more?

[spring perch]

There is a part of me that really, really wants to make the Chaos Inoculation/Eldritch Battery/Mind over Matter build work. Has anyone yet?

Sorry it's not the new hotness, I just kinda got back into thinking about PoE recently

In theory, it should just play kinda like Blood Magic builds. The problem is that it's not as easy to regen a lot of mana

[uncut bay]

it will be nothing like the bloodmage builds, it will be very weak unless you have very expensive items to make it viable

[spring perch]

I meant like. In the sense that you're casting from your health

Not in terms of power

[uncut bay]

idk why people still try to make it work 8 months later or something, the problem is that you lose tons of mana because of eldritch battery and mind over matter so you can barely sustain your mana for spells, forget about using mana to tank damage

then, you have maybe 4k mana, like 5k at most and it's very little considering a big portion of it is used for spells, you need well over 10k mana to play it comfortably

after all this sacrifice and being a glass cannon you still barely get any damage out of it with archmage

[spring perch]

If conversion worked like it did in PoE1 and %ES mattered then maybe

But

Nope

[woven depot]

biggest issue with it is the lack of stun treshold

[uncut bay]

there is so many exciting builds, go try them, no need to torture yourself with dead builds

lack of stun threshold is painful, but it's even less painful than no damage and no survivability

[spring perch]

Chill, I was just curious

I was planning on league starting with Essence Drain/Contagion Lich

[silver urchin]

A couple questions about """"Ignited Ground""""

• If my skill makes """"Ignited Ground"""" and an enemy is standing on it, do they count as "Ignited By [You/Me]"?
• Explosive Spear is gaining the line "100% increased Ignite magnitude", and also has "Ignited Ground Ignites enemies as though dealing the explosion's damage". Does that mean it is effectively igniting as though dealing 200% of the explosion damage (additive with other ignite magnitude increases)?

[fickle orbit]

When you are ignited, you are burning
When you are burning, you are not necessarily ignited

[silver urchin]

Ignited Ground in POE2 functions differently than in POE1

They are objectively getting ignited, I'm unsure on if it is me igniting them

[burnt gust]

Do you think Galvanic Shards Deadeye with Mirage Archer can team up with Shockburst to shoot bosses for a period of time?

[fickle orbit]

Fair, but ignited ground is not burning ground. Call it properly then :p

[silver urchin]

[sharp thorn]

Can somebody explain how can you get infusions for elemental skills?

[hearty whale]

Hi so I'm not an entirely noob on PoE but still somewhat.
Are there any tutorials on stuff like: "If I want to create my own build etc."
I know there are plenty Starters that do work and are, probably much better, than any Build I will ever create for myself.

Lets say I want to play Sorc. All of a sudden I love Fireball. But how do I proceed from here on?

I hope you guys understand from whatever gibberish has been written up there. Thanks in advance

[gleaming shuttle]

are conductivity/flammability/hypothermia still in the game as in, inflicts a random curse on you when XY effects can hit them?

[silver urchin]

Some skills make them, and otehrs consume them. Just gotta use a skill that generates an infusion and then pick it up

[silver urchin]

They're curses in the game so probably

[gleaming shuttle]

that is the answer I would prefer to be true so I will take your word for it

[silent prawn]

the talent tree in PoE2 is fairly intuitive.
say you like Fireball as you stated:
you can search the tree for Area, Projectiles or Fire to improve that skill.

[carmine patrol]

Yo that's what I played this past league, show us your build

[void osprey]

yo, im trying to pick what to start this coming league, so far its between Druid, Ranger and Witch.
which one could be the most viable for Sekemahs, Logbooks and Simulacrum since those are my fav content to run

[unborn hemlock]

Can a +60 max rage support share their max rage to allies or does every player in group need to invest in max rage to get past 30?

[silver urchin]

"gain is also granted" so they need a higher max, almost definitely. Compare to sharing charge gain, like Conduit (if that does the same thing in POE2)

[high rivet]

Just to make sure I'm not crazy, thorns won't work with say cast on crit because it's not a skill right?

[silver urchin]

You mean thorns critting?

[high rivet]

Yeha

[unreal girder]

are you locked into tactician if you want to play morta cannon?

[woven depot]

no

quite popular on warbringers as well

[unreal girder]

was planning to try it on the buffed WH

[woven depot]

would probably work fine, you miss out on +1 totem though

[half robin]

how do i choose a league starter for ssf? i'm new to poe2

[bright pine]

can look at 0.3 poeninja ladder for example

[silver urchin]

Yeah I assume not

[hearty whale]

So, what kind of Gloves should a Sorc use? If I check PoEdb, the int Gloves, i assume a sorc "focuses" around int, they all have +xy to ATTACKS, not SPELLS. Am I dumb? am I missing smthg?

[silver urchin]

poedb, did you mean poe.ninja?

[hearty whale]

no, poe2db

[silver urchin]

just because they CAN roll +attack levels, doesn't mean you would want that? They also can roll life and accuracy I think

Some builds that would want +level to attacks could want energy shield gloves

[woven depot]

rare gloves kinda useless offensively for casters

if youre a caster and arent using unique gloves its a great slot to just stack resistances on

[hearty whale]

okay thanks, that clarifies stuff.

[bright pine]

early on life + res is the goto on most gear pieces

other stats are bonus

[crisp pasture]

Hello, who would like to cook a meta gem build on invoker ?

[midnight geode]

is there a cap to how much increased damage a monster can take due to shock? Or a cap to shock magnitude?

[woven depot]

shock caps out at 100%

per stack

[unreal girder]

I forget, can you respec ascendancy atm?

[tulip fog]

yes, you would need to do the same ascendancy trial you did last you got points, i.e. if you have all your points you would need to do a max-difficulty ascendancy trial again to be able to respec to another

or if you only have your first two points you would only need to do the first difficulty of the trial to be able to respec

[tulip fog]

my build is getting some significant nerfs in the coming season, so im not sure i would recommend people to play it anymore
not only am i losing recovery speed such that it takes an extra second to recover the damage i take, i am also losing +3 to spell skills on the focus and a lot of "% spell damage" from the focus too, i would need to see if/how i can adjust it before i post it, or see if the guy who i got inspiration from for the build have found a way to fix it

[carmine patrol]

Was gonna compare mine X yours

Also, how do you know nerfs etc already?

I'm having a week of rn, chilling at my parents place so thought I might do a bit of planning for a change (id normally freestyle my build on the fly)

[normal prawn]

I didnt read the patch notes. Didnt the QnA say they are nerfing gear which made shocks too easy.
How bad was the nerf? Is double max still decently obtainable?

[marsh oyster]

Does % inc damage affect the conversion before or after the conversion happens? For example if I have 80% phys to cold and 10% increased phys damage, will the cold also receive the damage or only the portion of damage that remains physical

[normal prawn]

It would apply in poe1. In poe2 any phy converted out of phy does not get pht buffs

In poe2 o ly the fi al form matters

[sharp thorn]

Only after. If you convert 100% of damage to cold then only increased cold damage matters.

[marsh oyster]

Ok cool thanks

So do builds like lightning arrow focus on phys or lightning since it only converts 40% to lightning

I’m trying to figure out how to scale the wolf cold attacks but never really touched attacks in poe 2 yet so no idea how they really function

[sharp thorn]

On lightning. Arrow damage matters less, there is actually beam part, it converts 100% of phys damage.

[marsh oyster]

Oh

I see

Alright thank you

[tulip fog]

i watched the Q&A with ZiggyD and the developers after the reveal and i also read the patchnotes

[normal prawn]

I kinda wanted to return to ball lighting tbunder rods like i played in 0.1, but i hear rods got nerfed again due to LA

[tulip fog]

though these patchnotes are just preliminary, so it could get even worse for the build if we are unlucky

[normal prawn]

I havnt looked at the notes yet. I should

[carmine patrol]

Oh so no concrete numbers yet then

[tulip fog]

i already know i personally am losing like 40~ish percent recoup speed, which brings me down from 0.6 seconds of recovery time to 2.2 seconds recovery time.
how do i know this? the soul core i have been using gets a limit of 1 put on it, and im using 3

then the +3 spell skill levels from focus is confirmed gone

and the %spelldamage rolls on focus is confirmed to get lowered but not by how much

[carmine patrol]

https://tenor.com/view/denzel-washington-drunk-drinking-sad-gif-gif-12832466

[tulip fog]

and i cant really move away from wands + focus since detonate Volatile dead comes from the wand

so i would need a new low/no cost skill to replace detonate dead if i want to go staff instead

one that can apply flammability and ingite

[carmine patrol]

That's a big loss tho

[tulip fog]

yeah

[carmine patrol]

Staff won't cover wand + focus bonuses

[tulip fog]

staff is getting its spelldamage, ele damage and chaos damage percent rolls increased in the patch (no exact numbers yet) so its somewhat allevied

but having to choose between losing detonate Volatile dead skill or losing +3 to spell skillgems hurts

i really hope that the unique abyss belt gets a mod added to it that makes it ignore soul core limits, that would make it still worthwhile to play, it would preserve the tankiness even if we lost a big chunk of dps

[normal prawn]

One of the aspects of shaman im on...questioning.
Bonded runes and other but besides runes how many otherd will be limited

[carmine flicker]

wait, DD is now wand skill?

[tranquil wagon]

dmn i thought we can start the new league today

when then

[woven depot]

12th

[normal prawn]

Add 3hours of crashes

[formal geyser]

Volatile dead you mean?

[round osprey]

was there a new support gem which carries storm skills along with the character or am i crazy? 🙂 I can't seem to find it

[woven depot]

yes

I don’t know if ‘with’ is accurate but it makes it travel

It was also not a lineage so you could put it on thunderstorm, firestorm and tornado all in one build

[normal prawn]

It was stated that thunderstorm will make storms travel and grow plants

And showcased making tornado and firestorm travel

Ohhh. Your right it was just a support

[tulip fog]

yes

[dreamy bridge]

man, if only the vine whips counted as minions. they don't show up in the buffs corner

[tulip fog]

they arent minions at all

[dreamy bridge]

those are the tangling ones. the reveal showed vines that grow upwards and slam. it's not in the page

[tulip fog]

i think its the same skill but that the whipping ones only grow out if you water it, pure speculation though

[dreamy bridge]

no, the clip was in the T-shape of the fields, and there were the slamming ones with no fissure vines

[tulip fog]

hmm

[dreamy bridge]

it's at 12:18

[tulip fog]

right, it does look like its two different skills, he even says you can water them to make the whipping vines larger and increase their damage

[hasty kindle]

I’m wanting to do a ritualist poison/bleed build with spire of the ire main hand, palm of the dreamer off hand, will also be using ritualist passive blood boil and heralds of blood and poison, I’m stuck on how I can generate charges for spire’s passive, and I’m also looking for any other ideas that might improve or smooth the build out some.
Oh and I’m considering using spear field as the main skill but that’s still up in the air. Any help or suggestions are welcome and appreciated 🙏🏻

[honest hawk]

Why would ele weakness not add any dps to my primal strikes PoB?

Do resists not go negative in poe 2?

that shouldnt be the reason anyway but im confused

[normal prawn]

Those are plantovergroth things

Or do you mean the purple flowers

[vocal parrot]

Any place where i can see the primal skills yet?

[normal prawn]

Poe2db has a list of all the gems leaked so far. Some are just descriptions with no toolbar though

And subject to change or not included

[vocal parrot]

Thanks!

[tulip fog]

both curses and exposure can make resistances go negative, the only thing that cant is penetration

[honest hawk]

so if im already penetrating 75% lightning res, maybe thats why ele weakness doesn't change my dps in pob?

[summer pasture]

Yes

[tulip fog]

ele weakness being a curse should be able to make resistances go negative though

[honest hawk]

monkaW

[summer pasture]

Not if it's not strong enough

For rares and bosses atleast

[tulip fog]

what i mean is it can do it, meanwhile Penetration cant no matter how much of it you get

[honest hawk]

ok so when I unspec all my pen, ele weakness finally adds dps

ty for all the input

maybe its an order of operations thing

[summer pasture]

Get more increased curse magnitude and it'll be better

[tulip fog]

probably

[summer pasture]

Iirc curse applies first then pen

[tulip fog]

in the wiki

[honest hawk]

looks like it doesn't matter how much magnitude I get in pob

[summer pasture]

Confirmation needed

[honest hawk]

problem solved, thanks guys

confirmation needed monka

[tulip fog]

you can get these gloves to allow pen to go below 0%

[summer pasture]

At level 20 it's minus 59 to resistances so 100% increased magnitude would be -118 to res

[tulip fog]

should be pretty easy to get

[honest hawk]

I think I need to unspec some pen nodes haha

[tulip fog]

something i am curious about though is if you can still inflict elemental exposure while wearing this armour

[ornate bone]

How exactly does rakiata work? Inverse of resistance is quite vague.
If an enemy has 75% resistance, is it 1/75% resistance, -75% resistance, or 25% resistance?

[tulip fog]

it inverts it, so if the enemy has 75% it becomes -75%

[normal prawn]

Id that chest was a vaal unqie. Imagine dropping a herald

[honest hawk]

Primal Strikes is going to apply -50% on final hit in .4 jeez

[summer pasture]

Generally anything that sets something to specify value doesn't allow any other things to affect that value

[honest hawk]

those gloves could be yuge

[tulip fog]

yeah, thats what im suspecting would be the case here, im just being curious since the wiki doesnt say if exposure is also removed from the equation

i am majorly bummed out about the thunderstorm skill, those restrictions are hampering any ability to make it strong

"can hit each target only once every 0.5 seconds"
and
"limit 1 Thunderstorm"

[woven depot]

+2 limit as stormweaver, +1 from amulet, +1 from support iirc

[midnight bolt]

does anyone know when pob will be updated?

[normal prawn]

All storms are limit 1. The hitd 0.35 but no dupes 0.5 is weird though ya

[summer pasture]

That's 24 hits before any duration increases

[woven depot]

usually happens around launch, they get access to the json file with the predownload

[normal prawn]

Its 0.35 per hit. Just not for singletarget

[peak dawn]

Any idea how squishy/tanky the Purple Fireball Blood Mage build is? It looks fun but I’m tired of super squishy builds

[midnight bolt]

diablolical, these patchnotes dont have anything 🙁

[woven depot]

not much they can do without access unfortunately

[tulip fog]

hopefully you can increase the frequency with cast speed

but low probability

[normal prawn]

Whats the wording on oos...

What else might share the text

[honest hawk]

do we know how much resistance endgame bosses have?

[static torrent]

You can look up every single boss on poe2db

[honest hawk]

thank you

[peak dawn]

Any idea how squishy/tanky the Purple Fireball Blood Mage build is? It looks fun but I’m tired of super squishy builds

I’m between Fireball Blood Mage and Twister Amazon, thoughts? Main goal is being very tanky while clear speed comes second

[woven depot]

idk how accurate this still is, dont think there has been any changes but if so then ive missed them

[honest hawk]

Now that primal strikes applies -50% ele res with exposure, just now wondering if I need any pen at all! looks like I will

[normal prawn]

Hmm. Wonder why people go purple

[noble helm]

Pob usually has correct data on that

[honest hawk]

ya I was looking at this

but poedb shows arbiter with 75% all

[static torrent]

Probably just PoB2 not being as complete as it is for PoE1, plus the fact that there's a lot more variance in resistances for bosses in PoE2.

poe2db will generally be the more accurate source for the moment.

[honest hawk]

yeah I believe poe 1 bosses have their resistances the same based on standard,pinnacle,uber

[frosty finch]

How much max rage are we looking at with the druid now ?

[static torrent]

Something like that, yes. If I'm not mistaken, the same applies to all enemies, so in endgame, you can generally assume a certain amount on any enemy you encounter, whereas in PoE2 you will find some with no resistances, or only one or two, and some with weaknesses as well.

[pliant solar]

Whats the play for armour/evasion hybrid defence character? Evasion gets their deflection, armour gets armour as ele. What about hybrids? There are no hybrid mods on the gear like "some deflect + some armour ele". They are all separate nodes

whats the strat here?

just doing armour as ele and iron reflexes and thats it?

[past veldt]

Hey guys,
Thoughts on spark pathfinder with the new ascendancy that lets u start on sorceress tree + the node which gives u less 50% penalty from using skills? wanted to get move speed penalty but i dont know how hard i need to go stormweaver to build spark COC arc

[lilac wadi]

the applause, applause, applause. remember the applause plause, remember the applause plause

[unreal girder]

Anyone planning on playing pure caster with the druid spells?

I kinda like tornado

[unique root]

Hi, can someone tell me if the "Guided Hand" notable passive works with ancestrally boosted slams like rolling slam ?

[formal geyser]

I am. Specifically physical spells.

[unreal girder]

Which ascendancy are you planning

[formal geyser]

Shaman

[unreal girder]

I was thinking blood made

[formal geyser]

I could go blood mage too, though atalui/tecrod nerd sucks

Also did blood mage in 0.3

[long garden]

Hi friends. I'm looking into learning to make my own build, and the one thing that confuses me with the passive tree is knowing what stuff I should skip and not skip. What I mean by that is, let's say you're a regular spell caster build..you have options to put points into a large number of things that help you: spell damage, cast speed, mana increase, mana regen, ES increase nodes, ES recharge nodes, crit/ailment nodes depending on build, reservation nodes, herald buffs, projectile nodes, etc etc..but you only have so many points to spend. How do you balance what to take and what to skip?

[rancid citrus]

Not everything gives the same value per point. So you use path of building to see the most optimal routes and points to take

[long garden]

how does pob tell me what's worth skipping and taking? i dont think i understand

[glad spruce]

does anyone here have experience with the hit rate caps for things like firestorm? i wanted to see if the +2 limit stormweaver might be good. But i read in patch notes from last year that firestorm has a built in hit rate limit... and what is the servers maximum hit rate limit if i do all infusions on firestorm?

[wise parcel]

Pob can rank nodes by power against various variables e.g. combined dps, average hit etc. Or just offensive/defensive power. But failing that, you need a deep understanding of what really scales your build. Prioritise that and then the rest is quality of life really.

[serene shore]

is there a list of common things that scale builds?

[latent dawn]

support gems, passive skills, ascendancies, items... what exactly do you want info on for scaling a build?

and lets not put party play into the mix cause that can scale a build to an insane degree ;p

[serene shore]

so getting power charge generation online, or using the deadaye ascendacy to dbl the usage of frenzy charges for the tornados. You can do launches extra projectiles, but that only helps if they arent hiting the same monster. Thats the same case with chain/pierce unless the skill states otherwise.

You want more damage/enemy takes more damage over % damage increase

what other things help scale a build?

[latent dawn]

gem levels, corrupting them to +1 skill ? so long as your mana is still fine from increased skill levels

action speed/skill speed/attack speed

Passive skill tree economy using the special jewels - From Nothing, Controlled Metamorphosis,
Prism of Belief for more skill levels to your main skill

[wise parcel]

You need to perhaps decide the skill first as depending on tags, they all scale differently. But weapon damage is key. Also skill level.

[latent dawn]

skill level within your sustain otherwise you gotta up the sustain a lot lol

[wise parcel]

True, but you can often use that for more scaling too, e.g. ataluis

[latent dawn]

yea thats true, lineage gems are a good scaling opportunity for some builds

[unreal girder]

thunderstorm will be able to shock enemies right?

[latent dawn]

do we have anything for self poison or self bleed ?

[latent dawn]

It deals Lightning damage and doesn't have a tag preventing it

[unreal girder]

yeah I thought so

pretty nice with conduit then I guess

wish tornado had an elemental tag 🙁

[subtle vigil]

Can the Tactician's Supporting Fire skill from their ascendancy benefit from Kurgal's Leash Unholy Might?

[sharp thorn]

Yeah, most likely. It's a minion.

[unreal girder]

dont see why it wouldnt

[latent dawn]

totems arent minions

but anything else is

[unreal girder]

am I a minion?

[latent dawn]

probably :p

yea Supporting Fire has Minion tag

[subtle vigil]

The "minion" doing Supporting Fire not being an entity that you can see buffs on is what has me wondering.

[latent dawn]

if you open the skill itself its all minion tag and minion effects

and you have to Command that minion, which triggers Kurgal's leash

[formal geyser]

There's a new Wind tag

[unreal girder]

does that count as elemental for multiplying squalls?

[formal geyser]

No idea!

[unreal girder]

would be nice to know

but it doesnt have wind tag on poedb

[formal geyser]

I don't think poedb has been updated uet

[unreal girder]

if it counts as an elemental skill I'd def play that as stormweaver but i'd doubt it since iirc its gonna be phys dmg

[quartz pewter]

Alright, what's looking strong for Druid?

[hybrid ocean]

If a hit is unable to generate power charges, can it still proc redflare conduit?

[quick pumice]

Am I the only one who thinks "empowered" Flame Breath is actually way worse than without empowerment? XD The gem has 750% ignite magnitude but the empowerment converts 50% of the damage to Lightning, which cannot ignite by default.

[unreal girder]

yeah but ignite is garbage so

theres that xd

[quick pumice]

prolly not anymore after the buffs...

even if ignite is still dog after buffs, the gem doesnt make sense from design perspective XD why would they design an Ignite gem that you can empower to make it weaker for Ignite

[hybrid ocean]

Maybe it allows the lightning to contribute to the ignite but doesn't mention it in the tool tip?

[quartz pewter]

Was going to say the fire skills look cool, but ignite is still crap no?

[hybrid ocean]

Wouldn't be unprecedented I don't think

[quick pumice]

we dont know yet... Ignite based gems overall got buffed and they mentioned Ignite passives on tree being buffed a lot

[uncut bay]

no, it's gain extra 50% lightning damage, your ignite is as strong as before

and ignite is very strong on incinerate for example, I haven't seen other cases of a strong ignite

[quiet vale]

Voll's protector generates power charges on crits. Couldn't you use that to run spell totems then?

[fallen sphinx]

Did they update the passive tree for .4 yet online?

[supple jay]

We're gonna need a 3rd weapon set so that you can make a build that uses all 3 druid forms

[carmine flicker]

4th for spellcasting wand, "human caster" is a form as well, after all

[supple jay]

hopefully there's just some talismans that are duo/trio forms

[quartz pewter]

Yeah... or maybe some unique talisman

We don't have any info on the passive tree changes yet do we?

[livid flume]

0 banner buffs/changes

how lame

same build i've run since 0.1 has gotten buffed signifcantly so time to run sam eshit over

[subtle vigil]

you can choose to play something more fun even though it's weaker lmao

[silver urchin]

At least one of the ones shown had both bear and wolf, so you should be able to weaponnswap for all 3

[livid flume]

so many mechanics they introduce, are complete ass, and forget about them.

chonk buffs are also 'meh'

[silver urchin]

Just what's in the patch notes

[livid flume]

obviously, but banners as they are aren't even fun. They are super clunky, not powerful enough

The Pure Power notable no longer grants 2% increased Lightning Damage per 10 Intelligence. Instead it now grants 10% more Maximum Lightning Damage.

ewww

[quartz pewter]

Yeah banners need to be changed but it's probably low on the priority list

[surreal swan]

Druid spark build

[velvet trout]

Anyone else thinking about a bear bleed build? Oracle, Titan seem most likely. Maybe Shaman if there are bleed magnitude runes. Leaning Oracle to get those hits/bleeds off the bigger hitting precognition effect procs.

Only concern is how big the singular hits from bear will be. Mace Oracle could possibly work too if not.

[icy kiln]

Block isn’t only when your shield is up in this game correct? Is that how it used to be?

For some reason I remember it being that your shield had to be up to block a hit

[hollow cave]

Wait

are we getting druid?

[craggy tiger]

I wonder if teh new spell totem, will be able to use channeled spells like bone storm?

[serene shore]

Yes, on the 12th.

[quartz pewter]

Did they just nuke spears

[atomic juniper]

welp last lament lich is fucking dead

[carmine flicker]

sad for liches all around

Rathpith and indigon really gutted too

[river dew]

what happens when you barrage a skill that can also benefit from frenzy charges? Does the skill consume it first then barrage consumes whatever is left?

[silver urchin]

no?

[silver urchin]

you have passive block which is capped at 75% at default, and active block which is 100% but you have a bar that fills up as you use it

[teal dock]

Thinking of buckler mace oracle

[icy kiln]

When does pob generally update? Day before league?

[warm girder]

POB won't be updated until the league is actually out for a bit. It will remain this way until GGG starts posting the changed talent tree ahead of time

[rancid heron]

I'm looking to do a Mjolnir build that scaled attack speed and spell damage, doing most of my damage from Thundergod's Wrath and other Cast on X spells. What ascendency should I go? Was thinking smith of Kitava for Cast Fire Spell on Hit to double up, or Pathfinder to get two sides of the tree

[torn mango]

In .4 will LA Rhoa or Twisters zoom faster?

[icy kiln]

Dang it. I wanted to see the nodes hahah

Free balling it is then

[void osprey]

between Druid/Witch/Ranger/Huntress which one and their builds/ascendancies can do Sekemah, Logbooks and Simulacrums the best?

[ruby mauve]

guys im doing spark pathfinder surely its good yeah?