2┃build-planning

[gaunt ether]

like poe2s equivalent

[acoustic gale]

no its ward

[gaunt ether]

ah i guess the name was confusing me

new shout "fortifying cry"

[acoustic gale]

or actually it might not be ward i think its just temp hp

[raven gust]

What build should I play for my first time getting to endgame in poe2?
I have over 5k hours in poe1, but I've only gotten to end of act 3 in poe2 on launch, and decided to let the game cook for a while more.
I am currently deciding between ED+C, some bow deadeye, or a unarmed monk

[gaunt ether]

is guard useless then? doesnt seem like much you get from the shout

can only imagine its like taking one hit lol

170 temp hp at lvl 9

[acoustic gale]

i mean we dont know if thats like a level 20+ gem or not

oh level 9?

[gaunt ether]

yeah

https://poe2db.tw/Fortifying_Cry

[acoustic gale]

I imagine its much stronger at higher levels

[gaunt ether]

deadeye is busted as always

probably the safest class start if you are keen to using bows

or even crossbows

patch didnt really touch lightning arrow, so

[distant rivet]

Could go fisticuffs monk, could do Palpatine sorceress, could do Deadeye.

[gaunt ether]

im sure every class will have a setup that works

[acoustic gale]

The correct answer is probably LA deadeye, but there are a lot more "fun" options that can reach close to the potential of LA deadeye

[gaunt ether]

sad they nerfed galv shard, was a pretty fun alternative to LA

[acoustic gale]

remains to be seen how it lands but if you build enough reload speed it should still be fine

[raven gust]

I assume deadeye will be the most mobile from the list? One of my original issues with poe2 was how slow it felt, and I hope sprinting improves that

[acoustic gale]

cause its reload penalty got cut

[gaunt ether]

dont think any class is faster then deadeye

[acoustic gale]

yeah if you cant handle being slow just go deadeye

[gaunt ether]

or even can be without temporalis but gl getting it lol

[acoustic gale]

even temporalis is a hollow shell of its former self in terms of mobility

[cinder steeple]

I'm going to try to make a LS Amazon with primal strikes in the build

Since they buffed parrying by making more attacks parryable

[drifting cedar]

orb of storms nerf means very early game is more difficult I guess

[acoustic gale]

Yeah but like who's actually running pathfinder

[drifting cedar]

https://tenor.com/view/joey-joey-tribbiani-it-was-me-it's-me-friends-gif-16459238154669060766

[gaunt ether]

if only theyd bring back 0.1 concoctions

[drifting cedar]

they'd be so fun with mirage archer

[dire cave]

elemental infusions should make early game easier no?

[gaunt ether]

i was thinking about trying poison, but idk how id like it as a payoff skill

explosive looks alright

[unborn scarab]

Is PoB2 getting updated before the patch or are we stuck waiting til release?

[drifting cedar]

dunno how reliable infusions will be in early game for a bow build. remains to be seen i guess?

[teal dock]

Anyone try casting incinerate on hit with Smith? lmao

[heady furnace]

Is the new passive tree out?

[dire cave]

from what I've heard orb of storms should drop a lightning infusion once duration ends

[drifting cedar]

isnt it still a channeling ability? i dont think that works

[teal dock]

Thought so

[dire cave]

frost bomb would do the same for frost infusion on explosion

[drifting cedar]

living bomb cast on hit could be nice

for smith

[dire cave]

I am more interested in the hollow palm keystone tho

stacking ES/EV

full deflect

[teal dock]

Ooo. I’m trying to work blackflame covenant in with ignite stuff lmao

[drifting cedar]

sounds like a pretty bad plan ngl but good luck

[teal dock]

😂

[dire cave]

new unique gloves look promising

[teal dock]

Yeah my other plan is chayula with hammers which feels more doable

[drifting cedar]

but why? just for the flavor?

[teal dock]

Yeah

[dire cave]

would have to see how chayula performs this league aswell

[drifting cedar]

jarngreipr should solve chayula hammer problems

let you go int/dex for armor and accuracy and whatnot

I think pathfinder is going to be very tanky this league, the question is can she do damage at the same time

[dire cave]

what changed on path again?

[drifting cedar]

30% evasion to ele now 50%

also deflect existing

also buffs to passive blocking mean you can maybe get high evade, 50% to block all hits, 100% deflect, and 50% evasion counts as ele DR

need to run spear + shield for the max tank, probably

[dire cave]

max block now caps at 50% tho

unless ur warlord

[drifting cedar]

yeah I know, but if you can hit it and you have high evade and deflect..

[dire cave]

you mean 100% chance to deflect meaning you only take 60% of damage at all times a hit even goes through

[drifting cedar]

yeah. and then pathfinder notable further reduces ele damage

[true gulch]

converting firespells to chaos will make elemental weakness curse useless for fire skills right?

[drifting cedar]

yes

you would use despair instead

[dire cave]

but fireball

https://tenor.com/view/elmo-fire-hell-flame-screaming-gif-4980329892289384674

[true gulch]

are there already good build ideas for that chaos convertion node?

[drifting cedar]

witchhunter might be a better candidate for the big tank right side evasion build, unsure. I think with pathfinder you can more realistically go CI

[true gulch]

fireball wildshard

[dire cave]

fireballs buffs are busted

[true gulch]

damn true

[drifting cedar]

does flame wall do actual burning damage now? not ignite?

[true gulch]

waaay more dmg, but u need Infusion for aoe

[dire cave]

still ignites

[drifting cedar]

well, both then?

[dire cave]

Now ignites as though dealing 5-8 Fire Damage at gem level 1

[dire cave]

No longer causes projectiles that pass through it to ignite enemies

[drifting cedar]

i mean it seems to deal fire damage over time now

not just the pseudo ignite

[frosty finch]

Do these rings counter each or work well with each other ? Cause additional fire damage but the ignite is now void damage

[dire cave]

I'd assume projectiles passing through just do burning dmg and those in the flame wall are ignited

[drifting cedar]

those rings work together except for the increased fire damage on crackle

the propagation works for the chaos ignites

[drifting cedar]

it says Enemies in the wall

[frosty finch]

Would you say its better to use the spread gem ?

[drifting cedar]

I only brought it up because I thought "Non ignite Fire Damage Over Time" was not a thing in poe 2 for players

[frosty finch]

Wildfire

[drifting cedar]

I don't know enough about ignite builds to speculate, sorry

[frosty finch]

I wonder because bigger fire damage means bigger ignite tho, does increased fire damage increases the spell base damage AND the ignite ?

[true gulch]

how good is stormweaver survivability?

[drifting cedar]

oh, maybe actually. I guess the ring doesn't convert your fire damage, so yes. sorry, got it confused with the new blackflame covenant notable

[gaunt ether]

i mean depends on the skills youre wanting to use

energy shield was in a good spot in 0.2 but we dont know what the new tree looks like yet

[dire cave]

gonna need the numbers on this gloves skill tho 😛

[frosty finch]

I dont know what this means @drifting cedar lmao

[drifting cedar]

it means it works because blackflame makes you do chaos damage ignite with fire damage

the enemy TAKES chaos damage but you DEAL fire damage

[frosty finch]

Holyyy

Let me cook

[dire cave]

wasnt that how blackflame tempest shield witch worked in poe 1?

[drifting cedar]

it doesn't, however, mean you can also use chaos damage to scale

so basically thats only beneficial if you can get a lot more fire damage than chaos damage

You can use wither, though

[frosty finch]

Hmm I hope those rings are gonna be cheap at the start of the league

[dire cave]

somehow I doubt that

[left ledge]

Anyone here done lots of testing on thorns? I have a fair bit but I want to get a few people opinion on some choices

[frosty finch]

Saw some nutty builds last patches but couldnt make it work

[static plinth]

What does igniting Oil Grenades do?

[upbeat oak]

Is there a way to change armour break to . . something to do with elemental damage? Feel like I saw something but i can't remember where.

[frosty finch]

Yeah there will be a node on the tree that makes it apply to fire damage

I believe its close to the warrior but i cannot confirm

[grand grove]

so guys, as a first time poe 2 player that unarmed build got my interest, will that playstyle be unique to Monk or any class?

[drifting cedar]

https://mobalytics.gg/poe-2/guides/0-3-tree-changes#:~:text=One extremely strong new Notable,presumably also including Ascendancy Skills.

Article about some of the teased new notables, but no location and obviously subject to change

[frosty finch]

It will be a node on the passive tree

[drifting cedar]

you could go hollow palm witchhunter if you want, and explode skeletons with your righteous punches

[grand grove]

oh, depending on where it is, it will be more useful to some type of classes that share similar stats i guess?

[drifting cedar]

classes are little more than a collection of a few nodes and a starting location on the tree

[frosty finch]

It will be in the monk area

[drifting cedar]

but yeah, thematically monk goes with quarterstaves which are paired with unarmed, and quarterstaff nodes are near monk area

[grand grove]

i don't know man, i only played for a short time in EA start and had no time to play again, will start again with 0.3 from zero, so don't mind my comments

[frosty finch]

Enjoy man

[grand grove]

thanks guys!

[frosty finch]

The quality node is crazy

I wonder what skills will benefit the most from that

[drifting cedar]

no idea

I wonder if it will have a couple 1% quality nodes leading up to it

[left ledge]

I mean i can get some decent sheet damage but i think i can get alot higher. I just wanna get someone take on a few choices i wanna make and see if they have done some other testing. (ex: the 25% less block damage how much does it actually effect the total amount of thorns you loose. From my calculation it seems like im only loosing about 11%-

Honestly i ithink i could get approx 50k sheet ele thorns

[frosty finch]

Gemling also gets quality nodes if i remember correctly

Yep gemling gets +10% quality

[drifting cedar]

up to 16% with minor nodes

[frosty finch]

Imagine 36% quality, i bet that will break some skills

[drifting cedar]

i mean you can already do that lol

will be higher next patch. the poor irony of gemling is he's one of the only ascendancies with no inherent skill to grant quality to

[uncut compass]

Which class will be one of the more fun classes in .3?
Rn I’m thinking essence drain/contagion lich, cholula, or ranger

[left ledge]

with the infernalist bringer of flame passive ( contribute to ignite chance and magnitude)- does that allow any of your damage to ignite?

[drifting cedar]

yes

[frosty finch]

Spear of solaris got 40% more magnitude of ignite for 20% quality lul

Ive never used this skill and never heard anyone playing it neither

[north talon]

It looks really cool. Just not practical

[dire cave]

monk would be the easiest class to fiddle with when it comes to hollow palm

it is what I'll be starting out as for that keystone

[drifting cedar]

yeah ignite seems difficult to scale with a spear build

[dire cave]

you could use the new two handed mace marohi erqi to hit an easy stun when a boss fight begins since it stuns monster that are at full life

granted this would only work for glory skill and only on the first hit

[grand grove]

i also seemed to like Monk and Mercenary the most out of the available classes, so i will probably be going as monk too, thanks 😄

[drifting cedar]

stunning with physical melee is about to get a TON easier, and it was already pretty easy

[dire cave]

I'd still say monk is easier since invoker ascendancy has acces to meditate skill

which allows you to overflow your ES I am just unsure if overflow counts for hollow palm

[drifting cedar]

this is a major change being somewhat overlooked for melee phys stuff

melee phys is going to be a stunlocking machine

[dire cave]

daze change is big for monk aswell

[drifting cedar]

yeah daze is nice, felt weird to build a stun buff over time basically

[dire cave]

well its no longer a build up status

it just applies now

anyone here know what changes they'll add to quarterstaff skills for hollow palm?

[frosty finch]

I like the idea, its extremely jank

[dire cave]

havent found any info on it yet

[drifting cedar]

my guess is just leveled flat damage

i doubt mechanical differences but could be wrong

[dire cave]

thats my assumption with some attack speed maybe

since your not swinging a quarterstaff anymore a reduced action time would be nice

and logical

[drifting cedar]

they'd have to be careful with that imo, qstaves are already super fast and howa looks like it has some potential with hollow palm

unless they also give them reduced damage effectiveness

[frosty finch]

NEW: Falling Thunder: Quality now provides +0-20% more Damage per Power Charge Consumed (previously 0-10% Chance to not remove Charges on use).

Uhh guys ?

How many charges can we get already ?

Same for flicker strike

[left ledge]

where can i find the new uniqes comeing in 0.3

[drifting cedar]

falling thunder already has 50% more per charge I think but, getting to like 91% with quality on a gemling would be funny

just get like 5 power charges, deals 100% more if you consume + 455% from consuming 5, turns it into a 2862% damage effectiveness hit

[dire cave]

howa requires int stacking but for hollow palm you'd ideal do dex/int hybrid

depending on what crackling palm is on thunder fist a regular rare might be better overall

[drifting cedar]

and that's just at gem level 20 ofc. if you're a gemling doing this you auto get lvl 22 gem

[tired needle]

What do you guys think about Blood mage bleed Lightning spear?

[drifting cedar]

bleed wants big hits

don't think lightning spear is a good candidate

[frosty finch]

I was thinking that flicker strike could absolutely melt bosses with 36% quality

[drifting cedar]

now, plasma blast bleed blood mage, that's the ticket

[frosty finch]

20%damage per charge at 20% quality

[tired needle]

i mean something like this looks stupidly strong, isn't it? but idk how will it work on league start https://youtu.be/SFEqb4Axca4

[drifting cedar]

also a blood mage with a crossbow is metal af

[drifting cedar]

they hid the blood mage crit multi behind spell crit in 0.3 but probably. id have to see how much of the DPS is actually from bleed here. Are they getting 1b DPS from the blood hunt impale tech that doesn't work now?

[rancid fulcrum]

That was the build I was gonna run a few seasons ago, might give it a try now that you get the first node free on blood mage

[hoary bolt]

it wont work btw

every single aspect of it has been nerfed

[rancid fulcrum]

Oh

rip

[hoary bolt]

rake blood hunt got gutted

and tangletongue was obliterated from orbit

[willow elm]

infernal cry was changed too

[frosty finch]

Good

[hoary bolt]

indeed

[willow elm]

wasn't tangletongue just having its crit chance halved?

So you actually have to invest in crit more

[hoary bolt]

it from 10-20 to 6-10

[drifting cedar]

the other big tangle tongue nerf was more the Amazon nerf right

[tired needle]

what is this blood hunt impale tech?

[hoary bolt]

the biggest was that blood hunt is now life loss

not damage

so it cant crit

so the entire build doesnt work at all lol

[willow elm]

yah, but it was kind of buffed because you no longer get 100% less accuracy when really far it caps at -90% accuracy now so it might actually clear more

[drifting cedar]

blood hunt could impale, and the impale would stack your next hit so bleed bigger, so bigger blood hunt, bigger impale.... continuously forever. infinite potential damage machine .

Now it's life loss, not a hit

[hoary bolt]

that too

but the top end versions didnt even need impale

but yes it cant crit or impale now

[drifting cedar]

so you're saying I should go bleed + ignite blood mage plasma blaster Xantho

is what you're saying

[tired needle]

yeah but from what i saw in build showcase this dude uses blood hunt only to cull boss with like 40% hp left, nothing with infinite bleed stacking

[versed yacht]

planning on running warbringer buckler magma barrier, am I bricking my league start

[drifting cedar]

seems likely with the magma barrier cd

[versed yacht]

duration should lower the cd though, right? if parry debuff applies before magma spray hits it should be decent dmg for bossing

[drifting cedar]

unsure what you mean by duration lowering the cd, can you explain?

I think magma barrier is still a very good skill but honestly planning to mostly use it for 25% increased block chance

[versed yacht]

reduced duration support should lower from 8 sec cd. maybe itll be cooldown instead, cant be sure until in game

[celest oxide]

Odds a Frag Rounds + Grenade Totem build to Freeze Packs/Bosses could be viable?

I wanna run and gun

[drifting cedar]

how you gonna freeze?

yes, i think its viable. was considering similar with totem running voltaic grenade for more CC

[fervent briar]

i dont remember a time where this close to a league start the build planning section was so quiet

[drifting cedar]

I think its because we have no passive tree

So much is blind speculation without it

[fervent briar]

wait until launch to have to hope you dont pick something that is a waste of time

[drifting cedar]

gonna go glacial lance pathfinder personally in HC. use new ice tipped arrows buff + barrage to freeze bosses and clear with hoi while being tanky

haven't decided on the best wya to payoff the freeze yet. probably snipe, maybe fragmentation rounds

[fervent briar]

Im going fire titan, just don't really know what to do with it yet. I usually play hc but idk if i have it in me. In dawn of the hunt when you ripped you stayed in dawn of the hunt. After 2 characters i just continued my life in scssf.

This game isnt really as fun in hc as poe1 is

[drifting cedar]

in rise of abyssals do you rip to standard?

[fervent briar]

Im not sure.

[drifting cedar]

yeah, agreed, but maybe with not having to repeat campaign in cruel itll be better in hc

[fervent briar]

are they putting abyssal mechanic in standard?

[drifting cedar]

dunno

you should totally mirage archer oil grenades with a crossbow on your back

[fervent briar]

I actually enjoy the campaign. I just hate that i was lvl 85 with a mace with 400 max damage felt like i was going no where with it

[drifting cedar]

dodge > oil spill > fire go boom

[fervent briar]

crossbow titan?

[drifting cedar]

just to enable oil grenade

[fervent briar]

i did that in .1. ooh with fire titan

that sounds interesting. I never used oil grenade. i did do gas grenade with the explosion grenade on titan

[drifting cedar]

i mean it just applies fire exposure, might be easier ways to do it but might not

unsure how much dex lvl 1 mirage archer will need

[celest oxide]

I haven't played since 0.1, guess I was kinda hoping there was a combo of grenade skill gems/support gems that could get it done, not actually sure if there is though

[inland plinth]

Does anyone know order of operations as far as how cast on ailment and cast on crit would apply? For example if I used cast on crit snap and then cast on ailment spell x would it cast the ailment section first or crit section first?

[fervent briar]

molten blast can apply elemental exposure with quality

well if a 1her is the play since giants blood is nerfed it may be doable to get dex

[celest oxide]

Freeze would be most fun but could always do Voltaic like you said instead maybe even for electrocute

[inland plinth]

I also want to know if snap can drop multiple ailments worth of remnants if you snap a target that is frozen shocked and ignited

I have nefarious shenanigans planned

[celest oxide]

I mostly just want a strong run and gun xbow/shotty type build, bonus points if I can add some spice to that somewhere a long the way

100 weapon passive point witch hunter sounds fun but I'm also highly skeptical of witchhunter still

[drifting cedar]

if you want to automate the freeze I think you'd have to do mirage archer with either hailstorm rounds or permafrost bolts

but how viable that is, idk

[exotic compass]

If it works like 0.1 and 0.2 you would rip to abyssal sc trade, then could migrate it to standard

[fervent briar]

ya i was shocked when i ripped in hcssf dawn of the hunt and ended up in sc ssf dawn of the hunt

but i think all content was on standard anyways. so it didnt really matter if you played ssf anyways

what is it that causes resistances to be inverted in poe2? i cant find it in patch notes

[inland plinth]

New lineage gem

[fervent briar]

whats it called?

[inland plinth]

Rakiatas flow

[fervent briar]

was this in the livestream i guess?

[inland plinth]

Yes and it’s on Poedb2 already

Since it was revealed they have it in the database

[fervent briar]

i saw it there, just curious if theres any information about it, what content it drops in etc.

or if its going to be random global drop that probably wont drop

[inland plinth]

I think they said who drops the crossbow reloading one

But none of the others

Some are global some are bosses

[fervent briar]

probably uber arbitor if i had to guess

unless that one is just a drop in the bucket in power compared to some of the rest

[inland plinth]

Inverted resistance is insane I would assume it’s a rare drop from a pinnacle

Especially when you compare it to all of the other ones revealed

[rough stirrup]

I've got one prepped that I will be testing once the league drops before I invest into it

it's kind of meh rn

[hollow pine]

Anyone know if this is gunna work with hollow palm?

[fervent briar]

im pretty sure its the integer value on your armour items

[hollow pine]

Yea i fugre, but unsure if it increased it directly or post calc

[eternal meadow]

My guess is it won't and HPT takes value on item.

[fervent briar]

the part that says item evasion rating makes me think its just what you see on the chest piece

[inland plinth]

It should be based directly on the numbers of each gear piece otherwise Amazon would be insane with its double evasion ascendancy for boots glove and helmet

[fervent briar]

well it halves the value of your body armour evasion

i think that node is if you use something like cloak of flames

[inland plinth]

That’s true but you get to also scale accuracy for attack speed with Amazon as well and then you can use something like qotf for insane move speed

[fervent briar]

dex builds are eating good this league with the life per dex/acc per dex/ and attack speed per dex

[silent glade]

this is correct for ref, it uses the numbers displayed on the items

[dire cave]

if it was base values wouldnt the buffs that hollow palm bring have to be more powerfull?

[fervent briar]

donno. we dont know how much flat you get.

[dire cave]

its 0.1% flat crit chance and 1% more atk speed IIRC

[fervent briar]

flat phys from gem levels

your base damage

[dire cave]

ah those

we dont know if it even will have increased flat dmg

[fervent briar]

what do you mean by increased flat damage? it said it scales with gem level

[inland plinth]

I’ve seen a lot of people bouncing the idea of lots of flat damage on items. Might make ritualist a sleeper ascendancy for the archetype

[shut basalt]

Shouldn't this say 'Bestial Skin'

[hollow pine]

huh

[shut basalt]

incorrect spelling

[tulip fog]

if taking the new ignite mechanic into account, what would be the easiest way for a warrior build to apply ignite to enemies so you can have as long uptime as possible on the new ancestral call skill?

the new skill charges up from igniting enemies, i assume it doesnt give more charge for higher ignite magnitude, just how many you have ignited

[dire cave]

we dont know if the quarterstaff skills affected by hollow palm will have a higher amount of flat damage or not hence increased flat dmg

[fervent briar]

do you mean this line. or on the gem itself independent of hollow palm

[brittle anvil]

what is skill level

[fervent briar]

i assumed that was gem level

like if you have lvl 19 ice strike. you would get some physical damage value based on a lvl 19 skill gem

[dire cave]

ok so I was slightly wrong but either way we dont know the numbers yet

[fervent briar]

im sure it will be a mediocre amount of damage and you will need some crazy rings/gloves/amulet to play it at endgame. unless its just insanely fast and you will be able to get mana leech and sustain high aps

[dire cave]

thunder fist unique would be a good start

[fervent briar]

lvl 84

[dire cave]

yes

[fervent briar]

probably decent i guess but how rare will it be

[dire cave]

dont know how good crackling palm will be tho

[brittle anvil]

howa stacking again

[brave wedge]

people planning around thunderfists lol prob gonna be 20+ div

[fervent briar]

howa stacking sadness

[dire cave]

depends entirely on rarity

if its a common drop it will drasticly affect pricing

[fervent briar]

with howa you probably dont need the attack speed though so youre just stacking int for sure

with hollow palm i mean

[dire cave]

I personally realy dont like howa

[fervent briar]

well you still need the dex to put on high evasion bases

[brave wedge]

i really wanna see dmg numbers on hollow palm

comtepmlating gemling for another 2+ levels

[dire cave]

also howa was cheap af in DotH

[fervent briar]

i think howa has a bit of anti psynergy

[brave wedge]

feel like howa needs a slight buff

gutted it too hard

[dire cave]

howa is boring

[fervent briar]

not having axes/swords/druid is boring

[dire cave]

druid got delayed

[brave wedge]

need better pinnacle boss chases

was pretty trash last patch

[inland plinth]

I was looking at creating a snap build to tri elemental snap shocked frozen and ignited targets but I was shown that in the tooltip for snap it states “or” between damage types

[dire cave]

glad its getting some extra attention

[inland plinth]

Which means even if something has triple ailment you will only damage based on one type and now I’m sad

No thanos snaps

[dire cave]

doesnt it still do more damage based on number of ailments?

[brave wedge]

i just wanna go really fast

[dire cave]

go back to poe 1 then

[brave wedge]

0.1 i did tempest flurry howa pillar

attack speed zoom

i want that again

[lusty wagon]

are they giving up a different class?

[dire cave]

thats not the intention for poe2

[brave wedge]

ned to figure out how to get that

maybe it wasnt the intention

but it is now

[dire cave]

no druid got delayed due to unexpected animation problems

[fervent briar]

there is no class coming until december

[dire cave]

so no new classes for now

[fervent briar]

animation problems that they had in poe1 so they had to create a new rigging system to solve only to delay due to animation problems

[inland plinth]

If you want a fast character play Amazon and do queen of the forest and go brrr

[dire cave]

abyss is likely going to have some bugs aswell

[fervent briar]

or deadeye

[inland plinth]

Deadeye can’t make as good use case as Amazon tho. Qotf has low evasion for a chest armor so Amazon can abuse the boots gloves and helmet doubling node

Deadeye probably skips qotf and just relies on tailwind instead

[fervent briar]

just ride on the rhoa mount, its 15% faster while mounted and not attacking

[inland plinth]

Yeah rhoa bow for speed mappers is just better than everything else

[fervent briar]

rhoa cant exist in the same game as warrior with armour movement speed penalties. its just a joke

[dire cave]

still stupid u cant use xbow on rhoa

[fervent briar]

also, jonathan said melee in poe1 had a problem where you were locked in place while attacking. So they fixed that in poe2. Then proceeded to not allow attack while moving with mace skills that arent force move

[dire cave]

mace skills felt terrible early game imo

[inland plinth]

Yeah it’s actually criminal lmao. They should make strength make your character 0.1% faster per like 5 strength

[dire cave]

still slow af late tho

nah

[hoary bolt]

skill issue

[dire cave]

thats what dex is for

[inland plinth]

If I’m big strong why character not run faster with heavy armor on

[dire cave]

be that as it may its a terrible experience

[fervent briar]

he said felt terrible. he didnt say the game was hard with mace skills

[dire cave]

main problem I had with mace skills in early game was the inability to move much

[fervent briar]

not fun, slow, sluggish, clunky, work. Then you just realize auto attack and (boneshatter) auto attack with extra steps are the best skills and you just stare at the screen wondering wtf is going on

[dire cave]

since you dont have good tank yet you die easily

[inland plinth]

Yeah last league after my Amazon I did a warrior and the build was literally auto attack for clear perfect strike ignite on bosses lmao

[balmy tulip]

hello, i wanted to share a build i was trying to make and maybe hear your thoughts about it , its my very first build on poe 2, it looks fine i guess? i mean on pob
https://pobb.in/gTXXchSiVerZ
i was planning to use it as a league starter for 0.3

[inland plinth]

That poor class

[fervent briar]

once you learn movements and stuff and are patient with dodge rolling its not so bad. i like campaign on warrior

[dire cave]

once you get leap slam you can leap into boneshatter for clear

this is what worked for me

[fervent briar]

sail, there is no passive tree yet, that may not be that accurate

[inland plinth]

You can or you can just use the fanatic mace splash and left click bonk

[fervent briar]

ya but that is so slow. i would leap slam, dodge roll, boneshatter dodge roll. but i play hc

[inland plinth]

I think they removed fanatic mace tho for this league

[dire cave]

havent done hardcore myself yet but intend to do so on full release

[fervent briar]

if you try to leap slam, then do the landing animation before boneshatter youre dead

[dire cave]

just accumulating experience for now

[fervent briar]

no shot they removed the melee splash mace

youre trolling right?

[hoary bolt]

it will likely just be a new base type

[inland plinth]

^

[hoary bolt]

with the same implicit

[dire cave]

unlikely

[inland plinth]

they removed the fanatic maces but added a new one with a different name

[hoary bolt]

wdym unlikely

[fervent briar]

oh the filter information. why change the name

[inland plinth]

so cant say for sure

[dire cave]

only new base type they showed is crush on hit

[hoary bolt]

act 4 100% has new base types

lots actually

[dire cave]

yes act 4 will have new base types but the one you are asking for is unlikely

since its likely 1 or just maybe 2 new base types per weapon

[fervent briar]

i just realized maybe no melee splash on 1h maces?

[dire cave]

got a source?

[inland plinth]

it seems reasonable but pretty high end stuff for a league starter

do you have a pathway to start off in garbage gear and progress to what is there now?

[fervent briar]

totemic greatclub is crush on hit

[dire cave]

that is correct

[fervent briar]

i still see fanatic greathammer on poedb

its 1.5, nerfed from 1.8 i think lol

[dire cave]

btw wasnt fanatic heavily underused in doth?

[fervent briar]

i think something with that herald ring was nerfed. and the toxic rain skill thing was nerfed

[dire cave]

think most people went raw dmg on hammers

[hoary bolt]

1h maces

[fervent briar]

i never found the ring so i never played it

[dire cave]

got source for this yet?

[hoary bolt]

the forums lol

the item filter info

[dire cave]

well then link it

[hoary bolt]

directly from ggg

https://www.pathofexile.com/forum/view-thread/3828542 duh

[inland plinth]

ahh you found it before I did

[dire cave]

ty

[fervent briar]

god the base damage on these maces is so bad this is going to be rough

[dire cave]

also no need to be rude

[balmy tulip]

that's what i'm trying to figure out now

[inland plinth]

It shows the removed items and the explode hammers are on the list

its at the bottom

[balmy tulip]

it seems that what i would really need to get it going is the gloves and a decent early wand/focus

[inland plinth]

you also have 1 too many weapon set points allocated btw

25 red 24 green

[hoary bolt]

ggg's model and texture work is amazing. There's so many uniques and base types

just new ones

[balmy tulip]

Yeah i've seen that, i'll just spend 1 normal point when in game to fix it, the tree should remain the same

[hoary bolt]

idk how they made so many item models

[inland plinth]

by not updating poe1 for a year

[fervent briar]

id trade all those models and asynch trading for druid

[dire cave]

stashed assets

[fervent briar]

or maruader/duelist/templar

[hoary bolt]

hell nah

id trade druid for async trading in a heartbeat

[inland plinth]

asynch trading is way better than new class

[dire cave]

I prefer a solid druid instead of a buggy mess

[fervent briar]

i play ssf so it does nothing for me

[inland plinth]

especially because they are starting it here and will likely port to poe1

[fervent briar]

people been playing this shit for over 10 years without asynch trading

[balmy tulip]

but what do you think, it should be viable right? shouldnt be dying for nothing right?

[dire cave]

already planned for poe 1

[inland plinth]

yeah and I would by the time its day 3 spend more time on the website than slamming maps cuz people dont message back

[fervent briar]

if this game had a crafting system you rarely have to trade for anything.

[dire cave]

asynch trading is gunna break poe 2 in half in a good way

[inland plinth]

The build is resonable I prefer mine to be more tank but as a spellcaster its tank enough since it has big damage

Yeah I did a ssf on poe1 and made my character a god running t17 maps and pinnacle content in just a week or two

[fervent briar]

poe1 ssf is solid.

it gets tedius and painful in poe2

[balmy tulip]

i see, tyvm

[inland plinth]

yeah too much rng you just have to pray slams go well or ground items are good

plus poe1 has div cards to target farm certain things to an extent as well

[fervent briar]

they killed div card trading starting in 3.24

farming i mean

[inland plinth]

last league people just did the reworked gravicious for stacks

[fervent briar]

ya i just think thats stupid

[inland plinth]

I wasnt a big betrayal guy myself I liked to do harvest for ssf

rolling for chaos res is so easy with harvest

[fervent briar]

i always did betrayal i just hated that it was 100% rng

[formal silo]

What is the longest someone has gotten contagion to last on a boss with one cast?

[inland plinth]

not certain that sounds like something people probably haven't really tried to scale late game

[cyan plinth]

best support gems for Malice?

[dire cave]

isnt malice only on sceptres?

and the usual aura supports apply

such as increased area of effect

[balmy tulip]

how much dmg you guys think is good enought for early mapping to till t15?

100k? less ? more?

[dire cave]

I think 50-100k is more than enough if you are just looking to map

I think 200-300K is the upper limit for fast mapping

[balmy tulip]

tyvm

[cyan plinth]

Thats my problem, i dont know the usual, just area boosts?

[last bolt]

Do we have any info on frost darts yet?

[uncut bay]

damage differs from buuld to build, 20k dps can be as good for one build as 60k for another build

you can only compare dps of a similar build with yours and you should oneshot blue mobs generally

[cyan plinth]

Are there any non-attack skill/gems that give movement speed?

[halcyon iron]

wondering what class/ascendancy to use for explosive shot+grenade build for starter, saw a video and grenades seem fun enough. any help? tired as shit of LA+ rods

[brittle anvil]

deadeye

[summer pasture]

Witchhunter

[signal ice]

Wonder whether a blackflame covenant ignite will count as an elemental ailment for Direct Approach

[warped stone]

Pob 0.3?

[formal silo]

I really wish we could get confirmation if hollow palm works with nodes like spell blade and crown of eyes unique

[civic flame]

Guy i plan to play spark archmage ritualist what do you think it work or not good enough

I think so much about eldritch battery + mind over matter it good or bad if i cant regen enough for spend the mana

[uncut bay]

if you gain 400 additional mana by playing ritualist for example you get 16% gained extra damage

that's really bad since this is not even 16% more damage, but you add this 16% on top of the overall archmage bonus

if you wanted to stack maximum rarity it would make more sense, but you can surely get to 150 rarity on other ascendancies as well

I recommend either lich or stormweaver, stormweaver will be only as good as the infusion passives are

infernalist is great if you don't mind low mobility

[civic flame]

Yeah yeah i want more a rarity that why i want to play ritualist

[uncut bay]

I'd say 150% rarity is totally enough

[civic flame]

I think that dmg i has it enough to clear the map without struggling a rare monster

[coral cliff]

https://tenor.com/view/gjirlfriend-gif-14457952604098199169

[civic flame]

Oh well that mean lich or stromweaver is better and take the eldritch + mind or play es CI as normal

I never play spark build before

[uncut bay]

I wouldn't take mind over matter

[civic flame]

Only eldritch right

Thanks

[uncut bay]

eldritch battery is then also questionable

if you have no ES how are you gonna survive

[civic flame]

Lmao

I so confuse sorry

That mean you play like a CI es

Normally

How many mana you can do with a capable budget

[uncut bay]

4k mana sounds realistic with EB

but you want 5k mana just sitting around, not being spent

you would have to maybe get 10k mana so you are spending 5k and tanking with the other 5k

but I doubt you can get more than 4k in total with a budget build

I personally would just stick to 2500 mana or whatever without MOM and EB

[civic flame]

With or without eldrict

Oh thanks

[uncut bay]

this way your defences and your mana costs are both sorted out

[civic flame]

Ok now i has my goal with my budget at early game

Can you tips me about skill for campaign pls i never play like a spell build before

Titan enjoyer in 0.1 0.2

Lmao

[uncut bay]

nobody knows the elemental spells in 0.3 yet

you should get as much + to skill levels on items as you can

also % increased damage

buy items around level 30, get life and resistances

[civic flame]

I hope that easy more then warrior

Without eternal youth how to recover ES

With recharge pr something like poe1 energy leech ?

[uncut bay]

idk why everyone is so obsessed with eternal youth

you need to invest into faster start of ES and ES recharge rate

[civic flame]

That life flask cant recover the es anymore

[uncut bay]

around 2s delay for ES is great

[mighty vine]

What yall planning on running for the new league?

[cunning carbon]

Hello good sirs !
I was planning to go frost deadeye this league and i was wondering how the Heavy Frost node works ("Hits ignore non-negative Elemental Resistance of Frozen enemies").
For example, if i have 50% penetration and the enemy has 50% res and is frozen. When my hit lands, the enemy +res is ignored so 0% and then my penetration apply so -50% or am i wrong ?

[alpine parrot]

so like

what if i have this support on 4 different skills

is the limit 8 or 32

since its 8 per skill

[gentle veldt]

any build plan for elemental sundering for 0.3?

[cunning carbon]

the cooldown isn't shared between the gems ?

[gentle veldt]

or a good guide for stormweaver 0.3? elemental sundering works in stormweaver?

[alpine parrot]

no idea

i mean, each gem is seperate so theres a chance its not?

in that case mby having that on different herald skills could be interesting

[cunning carbon]

do you really "use" herald skill

you activate it but the damage is not a "cast" right ?

[alpine parrot]

it supports skills that damage

as long as it deals lightning dmg

[cunning carbon]

hmmm ok

[alpine parrot]

perhaps with that one glove that makes elemental dmg go 30/30/30

so every skill will deal some lightning

[cunning carbon]

just to ask you

[alpine parrot]

im not really good at this just thinking with that

[cunning carbon]

are you going to play a minion build with that or you plan to add a bit off dps thanks to those minions

[alpine parrot]

if it works? might go for minions/re make a char

if it process from each seperate skill/no cooldown between gems/limit is per gem

just cause fun lightning lil ones go brrr

[cunning carbon]

i'm an poe 1 arc enjoyer ngl

[slim spoke]

How do you guys think hollow palm would work with Amazon's ascendancy node penetrate. Cause its 25% of the "weapons" accuracy as added phys. Think it would add anything?

[last bolt]

Are there any companions or spectres that mark?

[unreal sierra]

no because you have no weapon

[last bolt]

Also has anyone cooked hard on the 2 passive tree witch hunter yet? I'm not going to play but I'm interested to see what people can do.

[formal silo]

What fire spell is pretty low investment with decent clear? Not bossing just helping with mapping?

[gentle veldt]

anybody doing elemental sundering build? Do you think they will nerf the interaction with the frost mage minions?

[magic pier]

Living bomb was very nice for me in 0.1, not sure if it's still good for that though

[formal silo]

Is that the channel?

[magic pier]

Living bomb is a staff spell

[formal silo]

Oh I was thinking flame blast

Not sure I ever used living bomb

[dreamy bridge]

penetration doesn't ignore resistance to below 0%, unless you have the leopold's applause unique

[dreamy bridge]

living bomb is now a gem, so frees up your hands for something else

[cunning carbon]

In that case, do you know if it ignores non-negative res then penetrate or penetrate then ignores non-negative (if not already 0%)

[dreamy bridge]

I think the final resistance calculation is before penetration, so resistance -> pen

[cunning carbon]

Interesting

[slender bone]

What's up guys ?
I am a newb.
I had a blast in 0.1 with Tempest Flurry attribute stacking Gemling.

I did not have time to play in 0.2. I have tried Witch with Contagion but it felt awful. I do not enjoy that play stile at all.
I saw amazing builds with Twister and Lighting Spear Amazon.

Now, for 0.3 I am stuck between a lot of builds:

• Necromancer/Infernalist with Spectre
• DeadEye Lighting Arrow
• Infernalist with Demon Form
• Invoker/Acolyte with Hollow Palm
• Stormweaver with the thingies that drop on the ground empowering spells and instant weapon-swap

I really like the idea of Invoker with Hollow Palm and to invest everything into the body armour, not caring about the weapon at all, but everybody will play this build so the costs will be horendous.

I have no idea how good minions will be for end-game.

Infernalist with Demon Form just because I like the demon form visuals but I have no idea about what skills to use with this and if its viable in end-game.

DeadEye Lighting Arrow looks fun and cheap.

Stormweaver seems you need 2 brains to play it with the new alterings-spells mechanic.

What do you think ?
Thank you !

[dawn spire]

Stormweaver would be my personal favorite of all the ones you listed. I don't think it'll require two brains since the weapon swapping is just baked into the buttons. It'll be like a rotation in an mmorpg. I would probably recommend going for two elements and not all three.

Orb of storms seems crazy easy to get infusions from, frost bomb is insane resistance reduction, lightning conduit for big boom, comet with cost on X, etc. Lots of different options but you shouldn't need to have a 5+ button combo to clear maps

Cold infusion + spark sounds really fun to me

[frosty finch]

Wait that seems kinda nice actually

Thats like 40% magnitude without doing anything

56% if you are gemling

[royal edge]

What do you think about Ritualist? Seems the best starter with the biggest flexibility. Possible to shift late game to meta. I am planning to try out Hollow Palm Ritualist

[frosty finch]

Expensive build, relies heavily on items, imo not the greatest starter but a good contender for later

[magic pier]

tbh i had fun with ritualist last league

[dawn spire]

Ritualist can do just about anything so you could play a solid starter and pivot later

[frosty finch]

True tho

[golden violet]

What would be the closest build to ice crash? ice strike invoker?

[frosty finch]

Is magnitude increase counted before or after more magnitude effects ?

[royal edge]

Thats what i was thinking, maybe start with LA bow, then change to test Hollow Palm and then see how meta shifts

[devout peak]

Is there anyone talking about proper EA Ballista builds? Or it seems non viable?

I am off from poe2 for awhile

[frosty finch]

Lots of people are gonna build mortar

[dawn spire]

Well there is no such skill as "explosive arrow" in poe2, so what do you mean exactly?

[devout peak]

Well similar to it

[dawn spire]

Similar how? Stacking fuses? Fire explosions? A totem with a projectile?

[devout peak]

Totem projectiles

[dawn spire]

Artillery ballista, dark effigy, mortar totem, siege ballista, lots of options, lots of people considering them

[devout peak]

Thanks

[dawn spire]

I might try dark effigy chaos dot tactician

[devout peak]

Now I can do some more research on each one

[stiff depot]

does the increases to a skill's inherent ailment magnitude carry over to ailment specific magnitude conversions from ascendancies?
example; are the infernalist ascendancy's ignite magnitude or stormweaver's shock nodes affected/scaled by frostbolt's chill magnitude?

[dreamy bridge]

no

[tulip fog]

i wonder how Radiant Grief works with the new ignite/flammability, will it still ignite i wonder?

[dreamy bridge]

if a mod says chill magnitude, it's strictly chill magnitude

if it says something like effect of ailments, then yeah it would apply to whatever ailment

[dreamy bridge]

hellhound still ignites in a radius in the patch notes, so it'll still work

[alpine parrot]

does that mean that modifiers such as more dmg on hit against blinded enemies, will work on the poison?

[tulip fog]

well, i wasnt planning on playing with Hellhound as its bound to a specific class

[royal totem]

what builds you guys think will be the best in new league?

[tulip fog]

or did you mean that since hellhound works radiant grief will also work still?

[dreamy bridge]

yeah the second one

[dreamy bridge]

I don't think there's a 100% best build but 90% chance it's deadeye

[tulip fog]

i wonder if Ancestral Cry will gain a proportional amount of "Glory" based on the magnitude of the Ignite, or if any ignite gives the same amount... the patchnotes description doesnt say anything about it

[royal totem]

like always haha

[dreamy bridge]

0.01% chance it's blood mage

[unreal sierra]

tbf we dont even know passive tree so anything can be good but for start safety its probably deadeye

and LA

right now

[tiny cave]

hi I'm planning to play unarmed build, but is there a suitable class that isn't monk?

[solemn marlin]

deadeye ofcourse

[drifting cedar]

Perfect strike and warbringer svalinn nerfs

Warrior can't catch a break

[solemn marlin]

hey guys, what would be easier to level up with arc+orb of storms+lightning conduit setup - blood mage or storm weaver?

I would prefer blood mage as it’s the tankier option imo and also scales very well in endgame in general, but its leveling has always been a concern, but given sanguimancy is free now, you can get spell damage leech on your first ascendancy and leveling should be smoother now.

[rich pine]

Hey, I have only played directly after release and then took a break after going through the endgame only once.
But I really enjoyed the corrupting cry strength stacker totem build from back then, and I am wondering if that still exists?
Based on what I can gather from the patch notes, there were made a LOT of changes to warcries, totems and both ascendancies you could use for the build back then.

[bright agate]

blood mage is fun in mid and late game only down side is clear in early mid game for me ofc

[solemn marlin]

but given sanguimancy is free, you solve the downside for life cost with the next node which gives u life leech with spells, shouldn’t leveling be better now?

by clear you mean spells in general?

[bright agate]

you dont even need life leach bec you going to heal from robs alone you can go for crit first so its going to be better probably a lot, we will see

[true gulch]

are we getting an ice spear skill? which ascendancy would be good for her any ideas?

Amazon ig

[tulip fog]

there already is a ice spear skill, or did you mean a melee one?

this is the one im referring to

[true gulch]

https://youtu.be/ecMW9Xa-ZXo?si=IgEPmiL9JqRNC--G&t=1883

i mean this

the chain is insane

[coarse tide]

That's Fangs of Frost with Herald of Ice

[true gulch]

its already in the game?

[true gulch]

wait fangs of frost looks different tho

[tulip fog]

fangs of frost is the stab they use, the other skill is glacial lance after it consumes a frenzy charge

[tardy gust]

is there an updated passive tree planner yet?

[tulip fog]

and then add herald of ice on top of that

[tulip fog]

nope, wont be updated until patch goes live from what i hear

[tardy gust]

damn

[tulip fog]

the passive tree doesnt release until then

[true gulch]

ok but surely they changed sth about it? since the icespear clear looks insane and nobody was plying it?

[tulip fog]

which is why it cant be updated before then

[coarse tide]

They use Fangs of Frost to freeze and generate charges and regular Spear Throw with Frenzy charge that makes it explode

[tardy gust]

Yeah, thats a basic throw. Probably cold damage on eith item or the skill

[true gulch]

ok i get that but was that build like that viable? or only possible in the next patch? since everyone is wondering what that skill even is like fubgun

[tulip fog]

im not sure how much effect it will have, but the ice crystals spawned from glacial lance would have the "Ice Crystals now deal 80% less damage in the first 0.5 seconds of their duration." effect that other ice crystals have

[tardy gust]

most definitely. I used in a build last leauge

[coarse tide]

Yeah, for clear anything cold related with HoI is fine

[tardy gust]

Fangs also got a big buff (150% freeze build up instead of 50%)

[true gulch]

hope someone makes a guide for it xD it would be named like: Fangs of Frost Glacial lance build huh

[coarse tide]

You mean what Pohx is playing?

[true gulch]

yeah might as well play his build

[true gulch]

even tho they dont use glacial lance here

could herald of ice always chain insalely like this

[coarse tide]

There is also new gem Ice-Tipped arrows, that they demonstrated on bows but in patch notes it says it works on spears as well, so use that with either throw or g-lance

[raven gust]

How do you plan to solve mana on LA deadeye? I remember mana being a paint when I first tried poe2 during launch

[true gulch]

ic, do u think deadeye would be good with an ice spear build? or amazon?

[coarse tide]

Both should be fine, but Amazon has better start because it's huntress starting nodes

[true gulch]

je id go amazon but everyone saying that deadeye is the best

[coarse tide]

Deadeye has movement speed, that's why they are saying it's the best. You have to ask yourself how much will that help over better crit scaling

[runic sand]

whats a good source for poe2 build guides?

[true gulch]

damn do they get alot of movement spd? like more than 30%? xF

[coarse tide]

Nah, tailwind is 10% ms but also 30% attack speed

[true geode]

One message removed from a suspended account.

[coarse tide]

Sanguimancy, first node of Bloodmage now is free, so you essentially get 2 more ascendancy points. And Life Remnants, that overflow your life, are procced on hit instead of crit, so it's a lot easier to get your build going from lvl24.

[magic pier]

just leech lmao

[gloomy hearth]

what class should i make if i want to play with crossbow?

[tulip fog]

depends on what you want to do with the crossbow, do you just want to use a single skill or multiple skills? some classes are better for multi-skilling and others for a single skill

[magic pier]

if you're asking which class is strongest with a crossbow
it's deadeye (same for most other weapons)
if you're asking which class people tend to use with crossbows
it's mercenary

[native surge]

Deadeye or merc

Probably

Warrior xbow was also good

But I’d wait for warrior nodes before I even think about rolling one

[gloomy hearth]

what about amazon?

with the accuracy bonnuys damage?

[tulip fog]

accuracy bonus damage was nerfed so its not as strong anymore

[native surge]

Yeah Amazon is probably fine too

[tulip fog]

its still decent, but not nearly as powerful

[native surge]

But idk id go deadeye over amazon

I’m going merc personally just because I don’t want to contribute to the deadeye problem

[gleaming trout]

guys what is a good build to league start the third edict with? i feel like deadeye builds are about to be very expensive, is there something which is easy to self craft aswell as strong enough to make enough dough for a main 2nd build?

[tulip fog]

i am going Warrior/Titan with maces personally, i have found a skill that still works fine, i just need to see how i can fix my defenses and im gucci

[coarse tide]

Merc is the easiest to start because of the position on tree

[coarse tide]

Which skill?

[tulip fog]

Earthquake

[coarse tide]

Yeah, Titan EQ seems good

[tulip fog]

the aftershock damage if you have heavy-stunned an enemy

[sharp sentinel]

Chayula, Reality Rendering, unravelling with black flame keystone and essentia sanguis chaos fire with es leech?

[coarse tide]

Damn, that's a lot of dmg

[tulip fog]

and thats with "only" a 500 dps weapon

[coarse tide]

You can get twice of that easily

[slender furnace]

Bro are you saying that's a lot of damage?

[tulip fog]

yes it is, because i can do that damage once per second

[frosty finch]

I'm gonna build incendiary titan

[slender furnace]

Lmfao

200k dps is not good

[dawn spire]

this isn't poe1, 250k dps is fine

depending on the content

[slender furnace]

250k dos is ass

[dawn spire]

vs what?

uber pinnacles?

sure

[slender furnace]

Who cares about white mob dps?

[magic pier]

clearing t4 xesht fine with 250k dps
that's good to me

[dawn spire]

but for a league start mapper? it's suitable

[tulip fog]

btw, that damage is versus pinnacles

[dawn spire]

if you compare every 0.3 build to lightning spear in 0.2 you're gonna have a bad time

not saying you are

[slender furnace]

Except for ya know all the other builds that can one shot t4 x

Theres tons of other shit out there doing more than 250k dps

[dawn spire]

last I checked this isn't #planning-builds-that-can-one-shot-pinnacles

[tulip fog]

one-shotting T4's are bug exploiters/unintended interaction exploiters

[coarse tide]

God forbid you actually fight some bosses

[frosty finch]

Its pointless to compare anything to LS, it was ridiculous

[tulip fog]

those are the type of builds that GGG are trying to remove

[glad sinew]

I have never played the mage before, Which of the three ascendances are the main ones people play?
I noticed the chronomancer one didnt have a showcase in the content reveal, is that because it was already strong or something?

[dawn spire]

that 250k dps is also probably a barebones tree and supports, no lineage, no abyss mods, etc

[slender furnace]

Sorry didn't realize this was build planning to clear t5 white mobs

[coarse tide]

With new infusions Stormweaver has most support for them and seems pretty interesting

[tulip fog]

yup

[coarse tide]

500 pdps weapon is literally 3 affixes of T4 at the end of campaign

[glad sinew]

From the name I assume that it is entirely lightning focused?

[dawn spire]

"mage" isn't an ascendancy. Any ascendancy class can play spells and it varies wildly depending on the specific skill. Poe2 has warriors summoning minions, sorceresses using bows, etc. So it really depends on what skill/archetype you're after and what each ascendancy offers to support it

[thin basin]

Ur boy going bloodmage crit dd or chrono lightning

[coarse tide]

No, it has some shock and cold support, but new nodes are generic elemental/infusion related nodes

[glad sinew]

Well theres the mage and the witch and I really do want to be casting elemental spells and not making minions

[slender furnace]

No, it's not

[dawn spire]

did they ask how their build plan would compare to builds that 1-shot t4s?

[tulip fog]

yes it is

[dawn spire]

All classes can use all skills and gear (barring skills that are gained from ascendancy nodes). So what is it about witch and sorceress ascendancies that you find appealing?

[magic pier]

not really

[tulip fog]

this is the increased damage you would get from adding a 900dps weapon

[dawn spire]

not at all. You can play a stormweaver that doesn't even use elemental spells, hypothetically

[glad sinew]

That storm looked really cool with how you use weaker spells to charge up and get infusions and then unleash this crazy spell

Looked sick

[slender furnace]

Then you don't y know what youre talking about

[tulip fog]

i find it VERY hard to believe 1-shotting T4's is something GGG thinks is OK from a balance perspective, that means its unintended

[coarse tide]

Exactly, and you can get one more rune and probably better affixes for even more damage. It looks really good imo

[dawn spire]

oh, firestorm? yeah that combo is gonna be interesting to pull off. You'll likely want the elemental equilibrium keystone to use it, which is currently located on the south-eastern part of the tree (which might get moved in 0.3, not sure)

[slender furnace]

You realize this has been poe and ggg gameplay for over ten years right? We have invulnerable phases in poe 1 because of it

[dawn spire]

poe2 != poe1

[tulip fog]

thats PoE1, that is not the same as PoE2

[slender furnace]

GGG = GGG

[tulip fog]

PoE2 has a completely different balance perspective

[dawn spire]

the devs have stated they want to use poe2 as an opportunity to correct some of those "fun interactions" from poe1

[slender furnace]

Does it....if it did we wouldn't be having this conversation

[glad sinew]

Can you respec the ascendancies afterwards or are you locked in?

[dawn spire]

you can change ascendancy within the same class

[magic pier]

You can

[glad sinew]

Ok so it isnt as much of an issue

[tulip fog]

it does, they just havent stamped out the outliers yet

[slender furnace]

Fun interactions? Which one bud? People have been blowing up bosses with preload skills for a decade

[slender furnace]

Cope

[dawn spire]

6/10 notables in stormweaver don't care if you're using a spell, btw

[glad sinew]

I played poe 2 a few leagues ago with the monk and didnt get much into maps, so im mainly just gonna have fun and enjoy the new act.

[dawn spire]

and you can allocate up to 4

[dawn spire]

exactly. The devs would much rather have that not be a thing in poe2

at least not make it as easy to do

we're venturing very close to #2┃general territory

[slender furnace]

We are in the third patch...it still exists. This isn't dark souls.

Do it think the top end should come down...yes. do I think 250k dps is good dps...xd

[glad sinew]

Looks like chronomancer is all about cooldowns and giving some new skills. Seems a bit more advanced

[frosty finch]

Hey what website are you using ?

[tulip fog]

i am not using any website, i am using Path of Building for PoE2

[frosty finch]

Ohh, is it available on linux ?

[tulip fog]

i dont know, i dont use linux

[frosty finch]

Okok

[dawn spire]

"good" is a relative term. If the best builds in the game did 250k dps, it would no longer be "xd"

And it's the third expansion of open beta with the balance and meta swinging wildly each update.

[slender furnace]

What kind of argument is that? If the top end was 250k a 250k build would be the top end...uhm yeah? But it's not...

[tulip fog]

this 250k dps is under the condition that the enemy is heavy-stunned, so its not completely unconditional either

[dawn spire]

right, but you said "is 250k dps good?" and it all depends on the meta. We have no clue what the meta will be in 0.3

[glad sinew]

Is there a site that showcases what builds/classes that everyone played last league?

[slender furnace]

Isn't that the entire point of "build planning"? To hypothesize what will work?

[dawn spire]

poe.ninja

[slender furnace]

Poe ninja 2

[tulip fog]

this is without the enemy being heavy-stunned

[glad sinew]

oh, i figured since thats the same as poe1

[dawn spire]

yeah, and "work" means something different for everyone

[glad sinew]

xd, thanks

[dawn spire]

I play hcssf, so I'd be ecstatic for a 250k dps build that doesn't die

[slender furnace]

So we are planning out t5 map builds in here then...is that a joke?

[dawn spire]

the joke is that no one asked if their 250k dps build could 1-shot t4 pinnacles

they made something with a 4-link, no up-to-date tree, no new gems, no new gear, half-baked mods, and you come in here and go "250k dps lmao"

[woven otter]

They should make every +1 charge node on the tree a choice between the 3, would open up some choices

[slender furnace]

People wonder why their builds are shit when the build discussion channel is out here defending 250k conditional dps builds

[dawn spire]

It's not even close to a complete build

[tulip fog]

i am still working on improving the defenses for the build too

[slender furnace]

Then why post dps numbers

[dawn spire]

because it's still a benchmark

[tulip fog]

because i was asked about it

[dawn spire]

250k dps with no gems/tree/gear is still a comparison point. I like to baseline my starters with 4-links and barebones trees/gear as well. It gives me a good reference between them. If one of them seems much lower or higher than the others, it gives me useful information

[slender furnace]

Bro play whatever you want. But I'm not going to sit here and pretend your build is the warrior savior

[dawn spire]

no one is claiming it is holy moly

[tulip fog]

noone claimed it was either

the only thing i said was that the skill still worked fine

"fine" not GODLIKE

[slender furnace]

"Fine" aka my dps is ass but it kills white mobs

[inland plinth]

To be fair everything being mapped is kind of irrelevant anyways without the new skill tree

[dawn spire]

literally the first thing you added to this discussion was based on a false assumption. No one even said 250k dps was a lot of damage and then you said "bro are you saying 250k dps is a lot of damage?"

[tulip fog]

i bet you it does more than kill white mobs, its starting to feel like you are trolling

[slender furnace]

Thats called a question

[magic pier]

Do "gain X% of damage as [Element]" get converted if you have "Convert X% of [Element] to [Another Element]"

[dawn spire]

Okay, that's fair. my b. because they then said it was a lot of damage

[inland plinth]

If you have damage conversion all damage of that type will be converted if it’s a 100% conversion

[tulip fog]

i wasnt the one who said it was a lot of damage, yet he replied to me

[dawn spire]

no, all "gain as X" and "converted to X" happen at the same time

[magic pier]

Thank you

[inland plinth]

From the research I’ve done conversion is supposed to change all damage but maybe that’s wrong I guess

[dawn spire]

sorry mate, but I can't back you on this one

[inland plinth]

I was looking around at conversion all day yesterday

[strong frost]

what characters/builds is everyone recommending for next league?

[tulip fog]

250K/second is different from just 250K, but fine

[inland plinth]

I see why I got that confused it’s because poe2 conversion you scale converted damage

While in Poe1 you scale the original

[dawn spire]

it is, but gaining damage as X and converting to X happen simultaneously

If you have 100 base phys damage, 10% of phys added as fire, and 100% of fire converted to cold, you have no fire to begin with, so you deal no cold damage in the end

you'd just do 100 phys and 10 fire

[slender furnace]

While heavy stunned?

[tulip fog]

yes

[inland plinth]

Had me thinking that because of that difference in how you scale that it would convert everything

[dawn spire]

it does convert everything up until the convert/add step

[magic pier]

Deadeye lightning arrow

[inland plinth]

Yeah but you also have to scale the converted damage type in POE2

[slender furnace]

So not 250k dps

[inland plinth]

Poe1 is reverse you scale the original damage then it gets converted

Weird that they changed the calculation

[dawn spire]

Yeah, I think if you have 50% inc phys damage, 100 base phys, and 10% of phys added as fire, you still would only do 150 phys and 10 fire

but I'm not sure

[tulip fog]

if i have enough stun Buildup i would still keep them stunned for a second and maybe a third heavy-stun too, and with a stun lasting several seconds and me dealing one hit per second at 250k per hit

[dawn spire]

oh, yeah, I'm right

[tulip fog]

that should still be 250k/second

[modest ingot]

Does Ice Strike like "snap" to the target? like dash in to the target when you attack?

I have been thinking of starting with a stormwave invoker build, but it might be a bit too slow for my tastes

[inland plinth]

Yeah that’s how they kinda kept damage numbers lower. If you could scale pre conversion you could make damage as x way stronger

[modest ingot]

so maybe ice strike would be more to my taste

[slender furnace]

Thats not how dps works. That's like saying fishing for your highest poison counts as your dps even though it took 3 seconds to get that poison

[tulip fog]

if i heavy stun an enemy in a single hit, do you still think that is "fishing for highest poison"?

i have 300% increased stun buildup in the passive tree

[slender furnace]

And when stun ends and you do zero damage?

[tulip fog]

no, as i showed, i still do 100k per shockwave after stun is over

and with 300% stun buildup, i should easily heavy stun a second time

in 1-2 hits

[modest ingot]

Also do you guys think Infernalist demon form fireball builds will be viable in 0.3.0?

As in more direct damage spells rather than just minion spam

[slender furnace]

So you think youre gonna almost perma stun bosses?

[inland plinth]

I’ve seen people say infernalist will be good but I haven’t looked into it too much myself tbh

[tulip fog]

at the very least for 2-3 heavy-stuns yes, after that? no probably not

[inland plinth]

And not just for minions

[slender furnace]

T1 xesht has about 10m hp. Good luck boss

[tulip fog]

i am playing as titan, with crushing blows

and also using overwhelming presence for another 30% stun threshold reduction

[slender furnace]

Sure bud. Let me know how your quin build ends up

[inland plinth]

I have no idea what I’m playing because no new skill tree yet. I was going to do blood mage but then I found out snap only blows up 1 ailment type even if multiple are applied

And it made me sad

[bright agate]

there is a possibility

[inland plinth]

Yeah I don’t know how painful demonflame is but 3% more damage per stack is pretty nasty

Assuming you can sustain a reasonable amount of them

[tulip fog]

i just noticed i forgot to add +7 skill levels to this 900 dps hammer in the planner.
when i did the damage doubled
230k per hit without heavy-stuns, 555K with heavy stuns

going to be a real hassle to find a 900 dps hammer with +7 skills on a budget though

a hammer like that would be like 1K Divs

[slender furnace]

Do you not see the problem when a 1k div item equates to a 500k CONDITIONAL dps build?

[tulip fog]

ive been seeing the problem from the start, that all the builds surpassing this by miles are the problem with the game

[slender furnace]

Ypu could buy a gloom scepter, slap on any spell and do more damage

[jovial pine]

does anyone know if u have a quiver with plus 2 proj level and u have a widowhail with 200% does it give more proj levels?

[slender furnace]

Ah yes, every build should just be bad because you made a bad build.

For the record...I think warrior is absolutely viable and will have great builds, it's just slow, armour is shit, and life tbd on the tree...but this isn't one of those builds

[slender furnace]

Yes

[tulip fog]

its not about if the build i made is bad or not, its about game balance

[jovial pine]

ok thx

[slender furnace]

You literally just said that the problem is every build that's better than yours

[summer pasture]

Warrior is generally balanced compared to the other classes you just have the problem of having to fight in melee so you have to dodge more which equals less dps

[tulip fog]

i am saying every build that trivialises pinnacle content is the problem

[jovial pine]

does poison go good with crit beacuse it scales off of the initial hit?

[summer pasture]

Yes and no you need to up crit multi to make it worth investing in which means you lose out on either defense or scaling the posion

[tulip fog]

that would normally apply for direct-melee skills yes, but earthquake is an aoe skill, so its a bit easier to avoid damage with that

[jovial pine]

i was jsut wondering if cast on crit would go well with poison

[slender furnace]

So your self imposing yourself to play shit dps builds...got it

[summer pasture]

That's just melee in general you're locked in animations so you need to be careful when u slam

[summer pasture]

No you'll bait yourself and hate it

[tulip fog]

i am saying the game balance in the game should not trivialise pinnacle content, pinnacle content should be challenging

for every build

it should be a challenge to beat it, an accomplishment

thats the point of it being the pinnacle

[jovial pine]

ok thx for the help ill avoid crit poison lol

[inland plinth]

Yeah but at the end of the day with how Poe works as a game even stemming from Poe1 people always find a way to min max boss damage to evaporate end game content in one hit. Even if that means a zero defense build

[slender furnace]

Ok but that's not how the game currently is

[tulip fog]

if you 1-shot juiced T16 maps i dont mind, but pinnacle content should be tough

[inland plinth]

That’s why they added damage reduction to the start of pinnacles in Poe1

So people just wait and pop the boss when the DR drops

[slender furnace]

I dont even disagree with you. But the fact is, that's how the game is played right now. You want self imposed limits that's fine. But don't act like this build is viable because you disagree with current balance

[summer pasture]

Compared to all the builds that can be used in the game there is maybe 10 or less builds that trivialize pinnacles and it's probably 5 or less tbh

[tulip fog]

the build i have would be viable within the intended balance for the game, it wont 1-shot pinnacles because it doesnt need to

[dusty kiln]

For an invoker flicker strike monk what do you think the best skill(s) for building charges/bridging time between flickers are? Stormwave used to be popular i think? Is it still the best?

[north talon]

I mean if you can clear all content it IS viable imo, it may not be the most optimal build but it is viable

I don't think the bar for viability is 1 shot all content in 1 frame

[slender furnace]

This is a meaningless statement. You have no clue the "intended balance for the game"

[slender furnace]

That build isn't clearing t4 xesht

[tulip fog]

i DO have a clue about the intended balance for the game, have you never listened to the devs talking about it?

they want the game to be slower, with meaningful combat, what meaning is there in 1-shotting pinnacles?

[slender furnace]

I've been watching ggg interviews for over 10 years now bud. I've watched more ggg content than you've played the game

[north talon]

I mean I've cleared T4 Xesht with some dog builds, so it probably can. Not saying it will be great but the bar there is not actually that high

[slender furnace]

100k/250k heavy stun dps builds?

[north talon]

in the 100k range, not specifically heavy stun focused

[tulip fog]

on a 4-link and a mid-game weapon to boot

[summer pasture]

900 dps is not mid game

[slender furnace]

My point stands lmfao.

[tulip fog]

no, the 900dps weapon had 230k/555K dps, the one he is saying was a 500dps weapon

[slender furnace]

You are not killing t4 xesht on 100k dps build

[north talon]

O.o why not?

[summer pasture]

You definitely could you just being there for a long ass time and probably hate yourself for it

[slender furnace]

You know what. I retract that. Im sure it's doable with a giga tanky build, just take 10 plus minutes unless youre 100k dot build

[north talon]

That does sound accurate to what I was doing. Over tanked dot builds

[uncut bay]

you are if you are tanky enough xD

[north talon]

More DPS is very obviously better, but you can do it

[uncut bay]

reminds me of the 3 hours boss fights in elden ring using just punches or torches

[magic pier]

Most of the loot is before xesht anyways

[dusty kiln]

Gonna try again: For an invoker flicker strike monk what do you think the best skill(s) for building charges/bridging time between flickers are? Stormwave used to be popular i think? Is it still the best?

[slender furnace]

No one knows yet as we need the tree and see any new gems

[dusty kiln]

Alright

[tulip fog]

so does mine, that they want a slower pace and meaningful combat in PoE2 and there is nothing meaningful in 1-shotting pinnacles

[slender furnace]

Personally I think invoked is trash and your better off playing deadeye for it since gemling quality for charges nerfed (flicker qual)

[magic pier]

Back when I played it in 0.1 it was combat frenzy + resonance keystone + pray Lust for Power procs and you get max power charges

[slender furnace]

Ok...but that's not the current game so your point doesnt stand

[tulip fog]

they just havent achieved their desired result yet, how is that an issue? they are only on the 3rd open beta patch/season, the game isnt even fully released yet

[dusty kiln]

But what skill do you use to trigger combat frenzy?

[slender furnace]

Its not an issue it just means your point is meaningless. If 250k was top end your build would be fine...but its not so your build is bad

[gray ferry]

Hello, does Fiery Death work with Infernal Hellhound?

[magic pier]

I was using ice strike

[modest ingot]

How does Falling Thunder Invoker play?

Is it fast and spammy? Like you use falling thunder as a big "burst" button, like you build up with fast spammy attacks and then unleash a big bonk thunder?

I was thinking of league starting stormwave, but I found it too slow for my tastes

[magic pier]

99.9999999% of all skill and passive combinations are meaningless then.
Please, just stop talking.

[slender furnace]

No

[proper pagoda]

Question: Does a mechanic like this double dip with things like shock? E.g: I shock the boss, i hit with high velocity rounds therefore the HVR hit is amplified by shock so hypothetically the "5% of physical damage dealt by HVR" should be multiplied by the shock effect? Then I trigger another hit dealing that 5% damage, is that 5% then multiplied again by the shock effect or no?

[north talon]

Depends on how that 5% damage is applied

[magic pier]

Just say you don't know
There a way it works, "depends" doesn't apply here.

[north talon]

O.o that is essentially what I said? It depends on how they implemented the 5% damage. It applies just fine here

[tulip fog]

i assume it works similarly to impale, the way it is worded sounds similar

[frozen needle]

Does anyone know if the shield charge wiki is out of date? The value they have for percent damage on collision for 0.2 is only 655% verse 906% mentioned i. Thr patch notes.

[magic pier]

Databases aren't updated until we get the actual patch

[quiet forge]

[New patch]
Is [resource] out of date???

[frozen needle]

I'm not talking about 0.3 value, I'm talking about the 0.2 value.

As stated in my first post. Lol

[obtuse condor]

is warrior really bad rn? Saw the new fire skills and it looks super cool. Honestly torn between that and totem build

[frosty finch]

I think we will discover more new cool stuff

[woven otter]

Im going to run the power charge on crit armour, fck it

I’ll always have max

[bright agate]

you can use both i think like totem can proc fire things

[slender furnace]

Its fine, it's just slow and has the worst defensive layers now for the most part

[hollow galleon]

any reason to play new League if all I care about is endgame? I mean even in Standard I can still do Act 4 if I want right

[quiet forge]

The league is the endgame

[tulip fog]

you can indeed do act 4 in standard, there is a new endgame boss added with the abyssal league mechanic that might be interesting for you other than that the rest should be available on standard

[hollow galleon]

oh abyssal league mechanic isnt in standard?

[quiet forge]

no

[tulip fog]

as far as im aware it isnt? but please correct me if im wrong

[hollow galleon]

got it

[frigid hill]

Can I shock an enemy after igniting to increase ignite damage? or is the burn snapshotted?

[gritty bay]

any idea yet for minion witch if lich or infernalist will be better in .3

[next moat]

League mechanics are never in Standard. In general, Standard is not a thing you should actually play in aside from testing build stuff. It's mostly just an archive of your character and item history for nostalgia stake. It has basically no economy and is extremely unbalanced as time goes on.

[hollow galleon]

yeah in 0.2 I played Standard cause I think there weren't any specific League mechanics

[static torrent]

Dawn of the Hunt had no league mechanic, all the content added with it was core from the start.

[next moat]

True, 0.2 was certainly a bit unique since it wasn't a league.

[sand juniper]

warriors are worth building now in .3?

[hollow galleon]

I hear warriors are getting the least love in 0.3, esp. kitava lol

But there is the armor buff which is something

[sand juniper]

also is there any youtuber summarize the upcoming classes changes? need to know what to build in the upcoming season

[quiet forge]

just read them

[sand juniper]

that armor buff is good enough? i guess its armor now counts towards elemental resistance?

[dawn spire]

Even if they summarize the class changes that hardly gives enough information to decide a league starter unless you don't care about gems, the skill tree, new items, supports, etc

[tulip fog]

the biggest problem with the armor buff is that it does very little, armor damage reduction is applief before resistances in PoE2, which means it takes the biggest brunt of the damage and with the armor formula as it is, that means it is less effective, and in the end the result will change very little

[hollow galleon]

prob not since it still doesnt help against big hits, but it could be something

[inland plinth]

Deadeye amazon lightning arrow or blood mage if you want to be meta. Realistically it’s just deadeye and blood mage

[dawn spire]

It helps a lot for map mods that add a % of phys as elemental

[tulip fog]

it would be a different thing if the damage reduction from armor was applied after resistances

[inland plinth]

Everything else will also be playable just not on the same power scale as deadeye and BM

[tulip fog]

that would make it very good

[slender furnace]

No one plays standard so it's a dead economy. You also miss out on leage specific stuff like abyss

[dawn spire]

Even before, it still helps a lot. If you're stacking a good amount of Armour you'll likely notice it

[hollow galleon]

I have a niche idea for armor where u split the damage into different types, so it gets more mitigation and THEN apply resistances...but honestly seems like a lot of work and will prob need uniques