2┃build-planning

[proper pagoda]

i guess if u stun a lot thats kinda insane

[north talon]

Yeah if you can scale stun to where you stun packs every shot you never reload and get legitimately really solid clear

[proper pagoda]

i wish there was a phys clearing skill though

idk how much increased phys there even is though, probably doesnt matter

yeah nm its prob all inc proj damage and stuff

yeah i might try deadeye with hvr and cluster grenades for bosses and galvanic for clearing

[round escarp]

So question:

Poison shotgun

Or

Chaos Incinerate cast on ignite?

[hoary bolt]

https://tenor.com/view/reload-shotgun-dale-gribble-rusty-shackleford-king-of-the-hill-gif-15641945943961425415

[vestal sequoia]

Where can i find the patch note please ? its not on the forum ?

[hoary bolt]

?

https://www.pathofexile.com/forum/view-thread/3826682

[vestal sequoia]

where did you find it exactly please ? i couldnt, thank you

[vestal sequoia]

ohh it is not updated for my language. i switched to english and now i see it, thanks

[inner forge]

has the passive tree in poedb site or maxroll planner been updated to s3?

[hoary bolt]

no

it needs to be datamined when the preload happens the night before launch

[compact hamlet]

anyone tryna plan out rarity bots together before 0.3

[uncut bay]

aren't those pointless for farming?

[inner forge]

i see.. thanks..

[compact hamlet]

they are pretty useful with party play of course

[uncut bay]

I mean, if you split the loot evenly it's less loot than when playing solo

no matter if the support player has 600% rarity or not

it's only 50% more currency per player

[compact hamlet]

its worth it for more consistent bigger drops i would say, the really rare items is what i want

[exotic compass]

And it's fun in the sense that playing in a party and fighting for kills isn't fun lol

If player 1 has 122% rarity and deals damage to a mob, player 2 with 12% rarity shouldn't feel bad about dealing the final blow

[subtle vigil]

Question if anyone knows how it works before I test it myself; how does Volatile Power work with Emergency Reload? Does each individual shot count as an empowered skill use to build volatility or does it only count as a single use?

[hoary bolt]

not sure actually

but thats a great question

for balance reasons I would assume its only on reload

as thats when the 'skill use' happens, and when the skill's cost is removed

[hoary bolt]

lol its every bolt fired

just tested

[swift plume]

Planning on doing infernalist demon form for 0.3, wonder how well thats going to work now with the changes.

[tribal hornet]

Question:how well would that new skill nodable Black flame covenant work out for an chaos infernalist build

[coral tartan]

Has anyone come up with a build using forge hammer and mjolner?

[pearl scroll]

Depends on how much u can scale chaos damage in new passive tree

previously it was dogshit

[tribal hornet]

Real Bet

[rain raptor]

How do people new to the game just wondering

Just a quick question to people out there what is the best support for a low level which at level 5 my skills are chaos Bolt skeletal warrior unearth skeletal sniper and Contagion just curious kind of new to the game much help would be very appreciated

[tidal birch]

Did Demon Form get buffed or nerfed?

[woven depot]

buffed

turning demon flames from increased damage to more damage is crazy

[tidal birch]

what kind of build/skills is now recommended for demon form build?

[woven depot]

depends, it’s still spell damage

But with 1500% more damage I imagine you can use whatever spell you want

[tidal birch]

Okay, ty for the answer, guess hopping somebody makes a good leaguestart with it

[woven depot]

You could be the one

[tidal birch]

Nahhh

[lean canyon]

What do u guys think is the closest build to rf?

[woven depot]

current beira, but its dead in 0.3

[elder widget]

Is it possible to inflict two shocks with the same hit when using Stormweaver's Strike Twice notable?
Also, if you use a skill that consumes shock, like Siphoning Strike, on an enemy that has two shocks on them, does that skill consume both at the same time?

[lean canyon]

how come?

[woven depot]

changed from igniting all enemies in range to creating burning ground

dead might be harsh

but itll function vastly differently

[lean canyon]

i see

im guessing they dont want a walk and kill build, uh?

[kindred barn]

Any guesses from old players if converted elemental damage will proc cast on elemental aliment? I used cast on freeze before but it doesn't work with fire spells converted into cold so I have high hopes for new one

[tidal birch]

what about torns, that is also basically a walk and kill build, or not?

[woven depot]

ye

[woven depot]

theyre releasing a new spirit gem which is a swarm that auto spawns and attacks nearby enemies, if theres solid ways to scale it that could be what youre looking for

[scarlet sandal]

Once rf comes into play im 100% going black flame lol chaos rf will be op

[lean canyon]

did they release some data about it?

[woven depot]

nope:(

maybe theyll tease it, otherwise we'll have to wait until launch

this is all we know

[lean canyon]

I see

[proven rapids]

How conversion work in poe2 ? Let's say i have equiped this helmet and i'm using iron reflexes, will it still give me 10% of my evasion rating as deflecting before the evasion being converted to armour ?

[wintry jackal]

pretty sure iron reflexes means you have no evasion anymore, so you get 10% of nothing

[hoary bolt]

this is almost assuredly the case

however you technically can get deflection from armour from tactician

[proper pagoda]

Guys i want to play a high velocity round + galvanic shards build - deadeye has to be best for this right? Like is there any reason merc would be better?

[hoary bolt]

I would only recommend Tactician if you are either using Immobilisation quite heavily (stun/freeze/pin/electrocute), or need a ton of persistent buffs

Gemling and Witchhunter are ok

[proper pagoda]

the banner stuff seems good now but it seems annoying to play. i dont wanna be micro managing banners

[hoary bolt]

Deadeye is just the best choice then

boring answer but it is what it is

[proper pagoda]

witchhunter and gemling cant compete?

[hoary bolt]

Witchhunter has fantastic conditional defense in Sorcery Ward, and can also offer quite a bit of generic damage

but the quality of life of attack and movement speed from deadeye is amazing

[proper pagoda]

i see

also what skills do ppl lvl crossbows with?

[hoary bolt]

Permafrost + Fragmentation Rounds is going to be great and easy leveling

frag rounds now chain to frozen targets

and deal insane damage to them

[scarlet sandal]

Has nobody looked at firestorm? With siphon elements you can literally call elemental storms..

[potent swift]

Is warrior still slow and clunky? I dont want to play Deadeye each new update

[hoary bolt]

that highly depends on build

warrior is kind of all about slow meaty hits that blow up packs

but you can also play crossbow warrior

[woven depot]

Then don’t play DE, it’s not that deep

Warrior was more than fine in dawn and will probably feel good in 0.3 too

[potent swift]

The movement speed is addictive tho

[scarlet sandal]

What is the best class/ascendancy for a tri element build?

[raw dagger]

I tried invoker in 0.2 but stormweaver also seems pretty cool

[dreamy bridge]

whichever works best with firestorm imo.

tri-infused firestorm could proc a ton of ailments -> cast on elem ailment for the 3 orbs -> snap them to drop infusions -> repeat

invoker could help more with better energy gain and ignored resists

[dusty kiln]

will monk be a good way to start the league? hoping to go unarmed, likely pick invoker and go some sort of (charged staff) melee attack + stormwave until i can transition to (charged staff) flickerstrike + stormwave, utilizing elemental expression and heralds to teleport around and explode enemies

mainly worried about mid game power, the feasability of using flickerstrike in early mapping, and especially bosses (not sure how i will generate a lot of power charges against bosses...)

[raw dagger]

They also added a new support gem that inverts the enemy resists but i dont think it’ll be that accesible

[dreamy bridge]

it’s Rakiata’s, it’ll definitely be t1 or t0

[tidal birch]

https://youtu.be/VwjF7h2vuLM?si=EL9GYLPpjgnbAMy0&t=596

This video I just watched said, that monk is not a "good" choice.

[dusty kiln]

i was considering gemling too
but i dont want to play merc for a third time in a row...

[dreamy bridge]

sorc maybe?

[dusty kiln]

sorc flickerstrike?

[dreamy bridge]

oh, yeah maybe just go monk

or go the degen path and do blood mage hollow palm

[dusty kiln]

i wanted to play a fast teleporting melee combatant that explodes everything, ideally

[uncut bay]

that's flicker

[tidal birch]

Is there even another melee build besides flicker that would fulfill these requirements

[dusty kiln]

probably not
but thats why i want to try flicker

and i was hoping monk was not just a safe pick to work with flicker
but also a pick that can quickly get into a similar build earlygame so i dont have such a harsh transition in endgame

[tidal birch]

If Hallow Palm is as good as it was in poe1 for speed leveling. My meta prediction will be Ranger Hallow Palm leveling then switching to Dead Eye something.

[dusty kiln]

will monk be far behind? or just not SUPER optimal?

[tidal birch]

No clue.

[lethal prawn]

its probably not gonna be as good for speed leveling because the base damage is not gonna be based on DEX like poe1, its gonna be better for endgame than poe1 and worse for early game than poe1

[proven rapids]

I din't think hollow palm will be as good as it is in poe1 for leveling

I expect it to be only good in mid-end game

[tidal birch]

but how much worse. Because worse then poe1 could still be very good in poe2. Compared to other leveling builds (on leaguestart not twink) how good/bad you guys think it is?

[supple goblet]

Hey question about poison. I know that default, you can only have 1 stack of poison. Does this single application stack? I remember poe1, poison could stack freely. Does changing that default with a plus 1 to total 2 give two applications that can be stacked on?

I think I'm just coping and you only get 1 stack + passive additions and that's it.

[spark jackal]

Does the stat "break % increased armour" apply to armour broken by corrosion?

[static torrent]

It does not stack. You can apply more than one stack, but only the most damaging one(s) will be active at any given time, up to your current limit, same as in PoE1 with ailments like Ignite. Generally, you'd pick up some sources of "Targets can be affected by +1 of your Poisons at the same time" from passives, supports and items to increase the limit.

[spark jackal]

I doubt it's going to be better in endgame because while more aps for evasion is super nice (to the point I was thinking about a queen of the forest Amazon hollow palm build), you get a LOT of gem levels from your weapons, so getting higher levels for flat phys is going to be harder unless you decide to go ritualist to try and make up for no weapons.

Tldr: wait for datamine and see flat phys numbers per level

[proper pagoda]

man im leveling a crossbow chart on live right now and it feels so trash early on... i even have a decent low lvl crossbow. act 1 was a slog

[brisk leaf]

Use grenades until galvanic shards

[dreamy bridge]

I’m praying there’s more than 2 phys spell clusters this patch. the whole talk about character fantasies gives me the impression that pure phys blood mage will be usable

[proper pagoda]

isnt there some thing that makes broken armour also reduce elemental resistances on mobs?

[frigid hill]

what kind of poe2 POB dps should one aim for? i don't really have any benchmarks so I can't tell

[noble token]

why are so many people saying new fire warrior is bait?

[bitter ore]

sniper's mark isn't attacks only, right?

[dreamy bridge]

one of the new notables allows armor break to affect fire damage. dunno about all resistances

[gilded kestrel]

so is bow deadeye really still the best starter for 0.3? I've been watching videos and reading up on the patch notes. Wondering what people here think.

[dreamy bridge]

deadeye seems to be overtuned. snipe deals insane damage before crit

[proper pagoda]

ah ok. do u remember where they showed that?

[dreamy bridge]

I don’t have an exact timestamp. it’s either during the warrior new skills or somewhere in the section about the tree

33:32

[pastel sequoia]

whats the best levelling strat gonna be for deadeye? Is it still lightning?

[dreamy bridge]

could still be lightning. poison leveling will be better than before but maybe not more than lightning

[gilded kestrel]

I wouldn't underestimate cold with the changes being made

sounds competitive

[dreamy bridge]

took the opportunity to check the int region during the tree showcase. no new diamond clusters that share icons with the other phys spell clusters

though there is one blood-like cluster other than the one focused. maybe a life cluster?

also forgot there was a third phys spell cluster, but it just adds phys as chaos

[plush rain]

Do Demon Stitcher gloves work with the Lich eternal life node? I'm seeing conflicting answers online

I feel like they should given that the Last Lament xbow does, but idk

[next moat]

If they do, it's a bug. I wouldn't build around it expecting that interaction to last. You can't sacrifice life if you can't change your life.

[atomic halo]

you sacrifice 0 life so you get 0 energy shield

[plush rain]

so is last lament just bugged atm?

[next moat]

Yes that's a bugged interaction, likely to be fixed in 0.3

[scarlet sandal]

So they added a spirit? Gem that when you apply an ailment ypu have a chance to drop an infusion.. with magnetism you can easily collect and just spam tri element firestorm. All you need is a high ailment application

It's called siphon elements

[fickle orbit]

Hey lads.

Im not usually a ranger player, but with the changes to tanks (that i dont like) and addition of deflection etc, i feel like this will be THE league to play deadeye.

My thoughts are:

1. Stack evasion/acrobatics, ES/ghost dance, and stack dex for that "life per dex" node they showed off. Deflection means evasion/ES (which was already very strong) will now be even stronger now.

2. Torn between using grenades and LA/LR. LA/LR seems like a "safe" choice, but im not sure how the bossing damage will be (since orb of storms has been changed), and also worried that because its what Fubgun plays, it will be impossible to afford any good gear.

Has anyone played grenade deadeyes before? How do they feel? Early/mid/late? Do you focus on single nade type, or do you use all of them? Does delayed damage not cause issues in late?

[proven rapids]

I wonder if I can use marohi to launch forge hammer then switch to fast attack speed mace to trigger a lot of aftershock

[supple goblet]

So the play for poison is one massive hit then to maximize dot dmg? Sounds like a poison unarmed monk isn't the play then because it's all about att speed and not single heavy hits. Do you agree?

[static torrent]

Typically, most builds would pick up some max stacks to be able to apply more than one Poison to an enemy.

[eternal meadow]

Just use Ancestral Cry and run over the fissures

[nimble hound]

best Asc for upcomming mortar totem you think?

[supple goblet]

Right but the max is 5, 10 if ranger. I'm just trying to think of ways to maximize chaos dmg for the new chayula stuff with out making a chaos mage monk

[worn prawn]

hellllo guys, What you think for summoner build in this league? always like summoner build but i dont know any good now?

[proper pagoda]

is armour explosion for clear a thing anymore?

how does armour exploison damage scale? is it just 100% of your weapon damage or what?

[static torrent]

You're asking in the wrong game's channel. This is for PoE2, your PoB is clearly from PoE1.

[valid bolt]

oh lol

my bad

[static torrent]

This is the ingame tooltip, not sure why the Attack Damage % doesn't show on the wiki.

[north talon]

yeah armor explosion is based on your main hand weapon damage, regardless of how it is triggered

Even if you trigger it with something like a shield skill, you use your Mace not your Shield weapon the skill uses.

[green canopy]

Any good resources for builds rn all he ones I see seam to be from a few months ago when the market was in a different state

[round escarp]

I might be going Xbow deadeye

Bc deadeye is kinda strong.

[ornate sand]

do yall think hollow palm league starting would be bait and a bad time?

[limber estuary]

hollow palm warrior is the way to go i believe

[static plinth]

I think its gonna be bait to leaguestart it but im still gonna do it

[unreal sierra]

it all depends on damage values on h.palm

[noble token]

anyone know if you can have 2 weapon sets with the same weapon in 0.3? or was it cut again

[vital plume]

hollow palm going down in history as biggest bait oat

[shut tiger]

if hollow palm will be a bait it will be the easiest to fix

dont think it will be a bait tho

What will the best non monk hollow palm ascendancies be? I want to try bloodmage

[woven depot]

Ritualist is my bet

[shut tiger]

why? @woven depot

[woven depot]

Extra ring slot with flat damage

[shut tiger]

interesting, hadnt considered that one

[woven depot]

or mana stacking council lich, but that’s just good for attack builds in general

[shut tiger]

what is council in that?

an item?

[woven depot]

yea unique mask

[shut tiger]

barely any mind of the council liches on poe ninja @woven depot

[woven depot]

They’re missing out

[shut tiger]

is this some secret shit or what?

do you have a pob i can look at maybe?

[woven depot]

not for this no

Mainly been using it with bows and xbows

[shut tiger]

only on lich?

[woven depot]

Lich makes sense to mana stack imo

can get more mana on infernalist ig

[shut tiger]

i like that mask idea

need to scale dmg reliable somehow without weapons

wish we had all the new sup gem and passive tree info

[woven depot]

SoonTM

I have a feeling this league is gonna slap

[shut tiger]

I agree

[static plinth]

Maybe not as leaguestart but i think Titan might cook

Since it has all the stun nodes and wind skills are good at that

[pliant edge]

i heard that traveling to a different starting area on the passive tree will cost less points now

if thats so i may try a cheeky mage titan

[vital plume]

is sorc looking to be any good in 0.3? seen lots of stuff about deadeye and monk but not much about sorc

[fickle thistle]

what the hell is volatility

[woven depot]

stack thing

1% extra damage as chaos per stack

Stacks up to 200

[fickle thistle]

200 is insane

[woven depot]

Deals damage to you when expiring

[left ledge]

Anyone have a Very lazy build for a very lazy gamer

I play in a handheld (ROG AllyX) about half the time and the other times I’m either on my PC or Ps5. I don’t care to press a ton of buttons due to some medical issues.

I know skelly brute is going to be great start wasn’t sure what other ideas people have where I could just sprint through as things die. I played plenty of minions and totems both in Poe 1 and poe2. Played RF in poe1 as an idea of the build I like.

Any ideas I’m open to

[fickle thistle]

is that even reasonable to maintain? 200?

[woven depot]

You don’t maintain

But you can build it in like 2 sec

And then do big hit for bossing

[vital plume]

pretty sure there is gonna be some insane thorns builds

[warm tiger]

does sacrifice use the corpse of the minion sacrificed?

[fickle thistle]

waitttt so. i can only build it up for 4 seconds? and then lasts for 10 seconds, (which im assumming i cant get more volatiltiy during?), and i deal extra chaos damage.

[thin vessel]

what can abuse this? can SRS be a viable minion build withthese?

[static torrent]

'The detonation timer will reset on gaining another stack of Volatility', so you can stack up to 200 if you want, it would just take 20 seconds to do so (+4 seconds for it to then detonate). I'm not sure if you're able to keep building Volatility while the buff is active, never used it myself.

[fickle thistle]

ah i see, so only really for super high attack speed

[woven depot]

don’t need much, can just spam ember fusillade if you have volatile power slotted

Need mana tempest as well of course so it’s empowered

[fickle thistle]

and it says only on elemental ailment. im assuming thats for the 2nd node after it. which gives a freeze/ignite/shock every 2 seconds. can those be reapplied instantly or once shock/freeze/ignite is applied it can only apply after those ailments duration end?

[fickle thistle]

honestly i kinda wanna do something with the spears not spells

[left ledge]

ive seen something about it- ill have to loook into it

[raw dagger]

There is no cap

Its just that before this chonk node it was virtually impossible to tank more than that

Or there is. Im completely lost

[woven depot]

Base cap is 200

can’t recall what effects there are that modifies the cap

But patch notes indicates there are some

[raw dagger]

There was one that set max cap to 30

[woven depot]

ah

[raw dagger]

But i recall that there was a video where someone had more than 1k stacks or im just misremembering something

[woven depot]

Maybe, it’s nothing I’ve seen

But it’s been 200 cap for as long as I can recall

[supple goblet]

Volatility could work for hollow palm monk but idk how to mitigate the explosion

And you only get the bonus % dmg after the explosion, so maybe it's not that good after all

[fickle thistle]

well the Acolyte takes no damage from it

[supple goblet]

Wait, how does that work?

[raw dagger]

You lit dont take the dmg if you take the node

[supple goblet]

It's an ascendancy node then?

[fickle thistle]

yer

[supple goblet]

Cool, ty

That's from the new update, right? Sorry to ask so many questions, I'm on my phone and it's hard to cross check this. Maxroll doesn't seem to have the updated ascendancy info

[fickle thistle]

ye for 0.3

[tight fog]

Hey guys i came here wondering what you think about a Stormweaver that focouses on more elemental infusions ?

[faint current]

Hiii! Did anyone who read the update information see if we'd get to play the game on higher than medium graphics? Which the settings were locked when I last played

[hidden siren]

that sounds like thats just on ur end then?

[faint current]

were you able to play on max?

my sister bought me a new compooter this summer for graduation and its very strong because she spent thousands and my old compooter i played poe with was from elementary school time in 2013

[vital walrus]

Anyone know if the +25% ring stats from Ritualist's ascendancy affects the 'Grants 1 Additional Skill slot'(Unset Ring) ?

Edit: For anyone wondering it does not work ;(

[young crystal]

yeah I've never seen the settings locked
I run everything on high/ultra just fine

could be an issue with your PC though

wrong channel for that question btw

[gaunt ether]

is there no "buffs" in this game for just having charges like in poe1, like passive life regen etc

only see like 2 skills that have any interacting with charges and unless im missing somthing theres nothing on passive tree

[atomic halo]

no inherent buffs

but i remember seeing crit multi per power on tthe tree

and some uniques like darkray vector gives bonuses as well

and there's a lot more than 2 skills that interact wth charges

[gaunt ether]

well for mace warrior

shouldve specified

theres a heal per endurance consumed but cant imagine how good it really is since theres no way to automate crys

[honest hawk]

how will blackflame covenant 100% fire to chaos work with damage scaling in poe 2? Does %increased fire damage from tree or weapon effect the final chaos damage?

[supple goblet]

The more I look at chayula monk the worse it looks

[gilded kestrel]

what makes you say that?

[humble dove]

Conversion happens before scaling, you want chaos modifiers using the Blackflame Covenant keystone, not fire.

[drifting cedar]

anyone else looking at spear + shield Pathfinders?

New evasion ele reduction node, block, deflect, evade seems like a solid set of layers. Grab ignite immunity then grab shock immunity from tree

Question is what to do for damage, leaning toward bleed spear with bleed concoction and taking slow immunity but idk. I've never tried poison spear but could go poison

[dreamy bridge]

did they say if deflection happens before or after armor? was thinking of stacking AR/EV and taking the new glancing blows

[north talon]

I assume after since they tend to use the worst stacking version on purpose

[ornate sand]

anyone cooking a spark deadeye build?

[faint current]

I want to make my own spell build for my character. How should I begin?

[static plinth]

Choose what spell

Or spells

Then figure out how you're gonna scale damage and defense (your ascendancy should usually solve one or both of those)

[faint current]

Well... Idk where to find spell choices. But I want to be a sorceress or a demon witch

My favourite spell I played some times in the old game was exsanguinate

[dreamy bridge]

exsang isn’t (properly) in the game yet, but reap will be (kinda)

it’s now a cull/crit debuff spell innate to a staff

but there’s other phys spells like bonestorm, bone cage and DD. hopefully bone blast will be more than a mid wand attack now

[dreamy bridge]

multi/trinity elemental spells are now viable and encouraged
lich chaos didn’t seem to change much this patch

[copper merlin]

hey all, is it possible to apply negative lightning resistance to enemies ?

[hoary bolt]

yes

curses, exposure etc can bring resistance negative

[copper merlin]

can it be done without Leopold Gloves

[hoary bolt]

yes

also leopold gloves is not negative resistance

The gloves affect elemental penetration

which works differently

-resistance actually reduces the resistance the enemy has by the given amount, whereas penetration simply treats the resistance as lower than it is

penetration by default can't penetrate below 0 (except for Leopold gloves) and only works for hits

They can be combined to achieve lower enemy effective resistance than either alone. For example if an enemy has 75% resistance, and you use a curse to lower it down to 35%, and then have 25% penetration, the hits against that enemy will be treated as though they have 10% resistance

[unborn horizon]

has anyone cooked an infusion build idea?

[supple goblet]

I'm not a poe2 scientist but I don't see how that ascendancy gets its damage for hollow palm. Volatility would work but you only get the bonus damage when they explode. Right? So then you don't have high uptime on it during combat

[dreamy bridge]

depends a lot on your elem ailment procs since that’ll be the more consistent source vs on kill. can manually detonate some of them with the support gem, if used fast enough (maybe with cold strike or lightning flurry) can det all faster than 4s + don’t need to stop gaining volatility to det

now depends if chilling already chilled enemies counts as an ailment proc

[uncut bay]

gas arrow deadeye is truly one button, clears maps very fast, can be tanky too, destroys bosses

[green canopy]

Are you able to swap the type of acendency you chose at anytime

Like say demon witch to bloodmage and so forth

[proven rapids]

Will the aura from Strategic Embankments stacks with the number of totem you summon ?

[green canopy]

more spammy but i could see yousing mouse wheel scroll as an alternative to clicking althought he new legue is less focused around 1 skillbuilds wich we have now not to say there wont be any but they might not be meta anymore but i definitley recomend the game as a whole is amazing

[open brook]

I know it was nerfed but can you still do the grenades only build? as far as I can tell either gemling with the levels and quality to make up for the CDR on grenades OR deadeye for the +1 grenades per shot with the buffed EV ele reduction and +6 passive points does not seem bad either.

sticking gas or oil grenade in the new mortar ballista seems pretty good

[hoary bolt]

how was it nerfed?

and yes you absolutely can, theyre stronger than ever before

[radiant dragon]

Thoughts on if Reap will be viable enough to make a main spell? Thought about pursuing a Blood Mage Reap bleed build.

[brittle anvil]

you mean one spell in the combo?

[radiant dragon]

Well yeah, but I think it could be set up to be fairly spammable for general clear.

[violet yarrow]

Different source of gain x% as extra damage as are calculated additively right? So if I have gain 100% as extra chaos from volatility, using extraction support which gives gain 35% of chaos damage, in total it will gives gain 135% as extra chaos, totaling 235% damage aka only 17.5% increase in damage with extraction support

[brave lark]

They go in the same "part" of the equation

[drifting cedar]

I would assume that you can get different auras from different totems, but stacking the same totem won't stack that totem's aura

[frail ferry]

Pretty new player here again. I watched through the whole dev livestream and am really excited for a ton of these changes. I want to find a leveling build for monk to progress through the upcoming league with but I don’t know what will hold up with all these massive changes. I figure after a few days though there will be updated guides out and such that I can use

[timid basin]

Reliable guides probably a few hours before launch... until then people won't have full information of what's coming

[bitter ore]

The Ravenous Doubts Notable Passive Skill has been renamed to Inner Turmoil, and no longer grants Mana Leech Recovers based on other Damage Types as well as Physical Damage. Instead, it now grants Gain 1 Volatility on inflicting an Elemental Ailment, and Take no Damage from Volatility.

Is this good? 1 volatility isn't very much, is there a way to stack this quickly?

good for clear but not sure how to stack on bosses?

[dreamy bridge]

the question is if proccing an already affected target (ex: ignite on an already ignited mob) will still count towards volatility gain

[dreamy bridge]

considering they said they shifted the levels of innate skills by +3 (so new lv1 gets the stats of old lv4), it could make the damage of innate skills more viable than before

[crystal totem]

Dialla's Desire: +10% to Quality of Supported Skills

New passive tree node that gives + 5% to quality of all skills

How close are we to getting perma flicker strike build?

[dreamy bridge]

how much refund chance does it have already? wiki doesn’t have quality

[half mango]

Without knowing which skills give infusion. Is kinda hard

[sharp thorn]

Up to 20% for 20% quality.

[dreamy bridge]

23% if corrupted + 15% from dialla’s and notable

possible charge gain with voll’s or redflare conduit

still a bit far, but still progress lol

[unborn horizon]

we know

[crystal totem]

I remember when I originally tried Flicker in 0.1 I got it to 70% chance to not consume charge on gemling. With new lineage and and passive tree node we should be getting close unless they've changed how Flicker works.

[dreamy bridge]

snapping the 3 elemental orbs guarantees one of each

[tribal compass]

Based on patch notes is storm weaver back?

[unborn horizon]

we don't know how much does the infusion give dmg, but people at gamescom were playing the boss event and most of top 20 were stormweavers, probably dmg was good

[tribal compass]

I hope its good every build i tried this season sucked ass and took to long to do anything I just gave up

[unborn horizon]

I want firestorm to be good

[bitter ore]

lowering the aoe might make it good

before it was just too big

it was more like passive support damage

over a large area

[bitter ore]

yeh me too, i can see tons of interesting builds

whether they translate into the game is the question

[unborn horizon]

what would you do ?

[half mango]

so there is no way to get a fire infusion without entering combat...

at least not taken into account the unknown passive skill tree changes

[proper pagoda]

is tehre any way in 0.2 to test if a hit im doing is counting as a hit from "you"?

[cyan garnet]

is there any death knight type of build?

[unborn horizon]

if you want 2h sword, then no

[dreamy bridge]

generally any self-cast skills count as from you. proxies (totems) and minions don’t count

[proper pagoda]

yeah. im just curious if lightning rod does. i think it does

[cyan garnet]

just someone with heavy armor and minions really

[unborn horizon]

you can play skele reavers, they are with 2h swords

[warped marsh]

Hello, coming as a beginner for 0.3, would spark blood mage be easy to play and get into the game with?

[unborn horizon]

wouldn't say it's good

[warped marsh]

Oh, as in the build is not good or its not good for beginner?

[unborn horizon]

both, lol

[dreamy bridge]

hmm nothing about blood mage really helps or hinders spark. pretty much just the gore spike branch

better off with stormweaver which is a sorc ascendancy

[warped marsh]

I dont even know what spark or blood mage is, to be honest 🥲
Just a friend told me to try that.

[unborn horizon]

yeah, it's stormweaver mana stacking archmage

[warped marsh]

So i should seek for stormveawer sorc builds?

[unborn horizon]

watch some youtube vids about different skills

[dreamy bridge]

sorc gets an easier time with elementals, witch goes with chaos and some phys spells

[unborn horizon]

I would say the most noob friendly build is essence drain/ contagion lich

that I would advise to play

[warped marsh]

Noted all the things you both said, will be googling and watching 🙂

[dreamy bridge]

2 button build, relatively simple gearing

[unborn horizon]

and it's getting buffed, which is wild to me

[warped marsh]

Sounds great for my case 😂

[snow tide]

How is the dmg % of a skill calculated against all the increases from passive tree?

Lets say a skill at lvl 20 is calculated as 300% of your base damage. If I have 100 base dmg from my weapon, this would make it deal 300 dmg.

But now how do all the increase %'s that apply to that dmg type affect that 300 dmg? Say I have a total of +500% increased dmg that apply from the passive tree...

Would I be doing 300%+500% dmg for a total of 800 dmg, or would it be 300% x 500% for a total of 1500 dmg?

This is before all More/Less multipliers from support gems is applied which I know is multiplicative. I'm just unsure about this skill % dmg interaction with passive tree additive % dmg.

[quiet forge]

https://maxroll.gg/poe2/getting-started/damage-scaling just read this

[snow tide]

I don't see where that says anything about how skill dmg % is calculated. I talks about base dmg, added dmg, increased % (from stuff like passive tree), and then more multipliers. No callout related to how skill % from the level of skill is part of the calc

unless I'm missing it somewhere

[quiet forge]

that is, 'base damage'

[atomic halo]

300% base damage = 3x damage

that's it, it's pretty simple

so with 500% inc. damage on a base of 100 damage, you get 600 damage, x3 = 1800 damage

[snow tide]

ok, so skill % dmg is multiplicitve with the weapons base dmg, then that is multiplied against all sources of increased dmg from passive tree and the like, and then that all is multiplied by more's from support gems?

[atomic halo]

it's just multiplicative with everything else

you dont have to list everything

whatever your damage would be otherwise, it's just tripled (with 300% base damage)

[exotic compass]

Unless you play in Standard with infinite, unnerfed mana gear, bloodmage is the dominant spark build by far. 2344 players, 75% of them play Bloodmage 🤷‍♂️

[exotic compass]

essence drain and contagion on a Lich is a lot of fun, highly recommend it as well!

I played it a couple times, one of them I even changed from lich to Bloodmage and started using spark at level 84, probably not a noob-friendly idea to swap builds later but the option exists 🙂

Modsssss

[warped marsh]

I watched some stuff on YT and it looks awesomee! Hope it does okay at higher levels too so I dont have to switch haha

[exotic compass]

<@&174997701513969665>

🙂

[exotic compass]

Both perform at high levels! you'll be clearing pinnacle bosses in no time

[shrewd pulsar]

Anyone planning on making a FULL bonestorm build? I'm thinking about classes. I don't feel like playing witch since I hate that character, but deadeye maybe.. or a merc spec?

[quiet forge]

you have to play lich to enjoy bonestorm

I tried it last season on stormweaver, it was ass, no damage

[shrewd pulsar]

I would prefer to avoid bonecage clearing.

[quiet forge]

yeah, you aren't going to enjoy this build

[shrewd pulsar]

I have enjoyed it immensely on my chonk. But the changes nerfs my old chaos damage instance stacking.

[warped marsh]

Thank youu, looking forward to trying it out in a week 😎

[quiet forge]

Okay so you need a bossing skill and a clearing skill, right?
Unearth just doesn't work as a clear skill. So what will you use instead? There isn't really an option. You're spending all your passive points on phys and crit, so anything but phys dmg for spells you cast goes poof
Might as well go crown of eyes chalupa at that point, that way you'll actually have a clear ability, but I'd say it's pretty unclear how much that build would benefit from the inclusion of bonestorm since it doesn't really want for boss damage

[shrewd pulsar]

I want to avoid the witch. I hate the character and can't stand the voice and quips.

[tender needle]

On a crossbow skill (eg. permafrost bolts), when it says 62% attack damage, is that 62% attack damage for all 10 fragments combined, or assuming you shotgun everything into the same target, 0.62 * attack-damage * 10? I assume the latter because the former would do almost no damage, but just want to confirm it.

[shrewd pulsar]

Also trying to figure out a fast way to extract impales. I'm curious if the new ravenous swarm can do it.

[tulip fog]

if you get a beast companion with haste aura, does the attackspeed and movespeed you get from that aura scale with the companion skillgem?

[exotic compass]

Negative

[north talon]

The damage listed is per fragment

[deep leaf]

i’m thinking of playing CHONK, if i convert all my lightning damage to chaos with original sin, do skills still apply shock as long as they have an increased chance to shock line?

[quiet forge]

no, because you aren't doing lightning damage anymore

100%*=0 is 0

[deep leaf]

okay that’s what i thought, thank you

[tulip fog]

does the attackspeed and movespeed from the aura scale with the level of the captured companion? i.e. does the aura from a lvl 10 companion give the same amount as a lvl 90 companion?

[exotic compass]

The aura will never change

There is no hasted tier 1, or haste aura tier 3, etc.

Aura is aura

[dreamy bridge]

you don’t want witch calling you beautiful 24/7? 😢

[vital plume]

too hard playing with only 1 hand

[dreamy bridge]

same answer as Droid. monster mods don’t have any levels. Any mod you see at lv10 does the same thing at lv80

[wicked sparrow]

any news on PoB2 .3? im smart but not read off notes make build smart. nor smart enough to know where to find this info.

[hidden siren]

again nothing will update to 0.3 until launch

said by the pob team and by ggg

[wicked sparrow]

cool.

[lean willow]

need mortar canon info

[vivid kiln]

Hello. We have the patch note for the next season.
What do you think about Lightning Spear ? Can it still be playable ?

[exotic compass]

Smart answer is "we don't know" but likely answer is yes

[tidal birch]

I think you need to define what you think is "still playable"

[vivid kiln]

Clearing nearly all content.

Including tower bosses and so

Because i'm a duelist sword enjoyer and beside Lightning Spear , i don't like any other gameplay in PoE 2 🙁

[tidal birch]

LS, tangle and amazon all got nerfed. But I dont think it is dead. But cant answer the question how good it for pinical content is (+ the removal of the 1-shot mechanic if you played Deadeye)

[noble token]

try something else, i guarantee theres something you will like

dont lock yourself into 1 stupidly overpowered build

i wouldnt say youve even played half of poe2 if all youve done is LS

[hidden siren]

ls is fine

[vivid kiln]

I didn't play it because it's broken. I'm a frost blade/lightning strike player since forever ^^"
I'm playing since the release of the early access. I've already tested Monk 2 times and Amazon 1 time.

[hidden siren]

got nerfed but it was stupid broken to start so toning it down was needed

[noble token]

i have 10 characters in endgame and will have 10 more by the end of 0.3

live a little

i cant imagine playing just 1 or 2 archetypes in poe2

[oak berry]

If I were to use a fire penetration support gem (Ability 1), fire exposure ability (oil gernades), fire exposure gem (Ability 1), and a curse, all of these would stack?

[noble token]

even though i like slams the most, im gonna do ice ranger, minions, merc, hollow palm etc

[noble token]

iirc only the strongest exposure applies

[vivid kiln]

I'm thinking the lifting of support restriction could do it anyway

[noble token]

read the in game tooltip for exposure, im sure it explains it

[vivid kiln]

I'm only playing a short number of archetypes. I like a type of gameplay, it feel confortable and I can focus on the new content of the seasons.

I was expecting Druid Shapeshifter (on melee) but was a wrong guess

[stiff depot]

poe2db.tw/us/cnGems#SupportGems
So whats the general consensus that this list of support gems will be accurate for 0.3? is poe2db often correct about this sort of stuff?

[atomic halo]

evidently, it's grabbed from some chinese source

so unless chinese and world versions are different, it's accurate (for what is shown)

only problem can be translation error/ambiguity

[stiff depot]

mmm, I noticed the volatility gems were called 'impermanence' but otherwise existing gems looked identical

[tidal birch]

My guess is, that there will be a Bow build that feels similar to LS but will scale a lot better into the endgame.

[vivid kiln]

Perhaps, i'll still continue with spear i think. In worst case, my league will be short

[tidal birch]

You could start Deadeye Spear and then switch to bows, if it turns out that Spear does not work.

[vivid kiln]

I don't like bow ^^" Ty anyway for the answer 🙂

[hollow folio]

Never played a witchhunter how do they look for the upcoming season?

[wide dew]

Good, crossbow buff make them ok now and SW seems not necessary anymore with Deflect

#1323952474817560648 people are discussing it and we will be eager to help you over there

[hollow folio]

oh tyvm

[noble token]

im so excited for notables being more interesting in 0.3. ggg have been saying they want to make them more exciting for ages, and the notables jn the preview looked sick as fuck

the archon nodes, the azmeri animal shit, the amour break applied to fire damage

so cool

fuck the 30% inc dmg 5% reduced AS type nodes

[oak berry]

dumb question regarding this support and how explosive shot is explained. If explosive shot converted 80% phys into fire damage, this support will not be good right? cause then it would only do the 20% phys?

[noble token]

yes

[foggy sundial]

hey everyone, I'm rusty with poe2 but decided to come back for 0.3. I have an idea for a build and I want to see what people think of it, if it's worth ot not and ideas to build off of it. I was thinking of going stormweaver (for double shock/chill application on all hits) hollow palm technique (focusing on shock magnitude and crit). Is this viable as a decent/good option?

[oak berry]

I would use this one instead right?

[noble token]

yep

[oak berry]

aight ty

[noble token]

but be warned that both of these will be changed

all support gems will be changed

[foggy sundial]

no ideas?

or is this the wrong channel for this?

[timber plover]

What are some easy builds to play on console? Gonna try playing on ps5 this new patch and want something that works well with controller and ideally SSF viable or just one or two key items to not have to try and trade all day

[regal maple]

From how they worded vaulted impact changes will the bonus damage be increased/decreased based on the supports of the followup skill?

Or just be added after the hit with no multipliers

[quiet forge]

Looks like a % of damage dealt by the impact

Think impale but not actually called impale

[regal maple]

How does impale interact

I assume does not care about modifiers on other skills right

[foggy sundial]

nm....I thought shock was "more" damage, not increased....makes my idea not so great

[void loom]

Hey guys, I’m a noob player wanting to make my build for the first time. Chaos infused flame build that mark talked about in the interview is something I’m really interested in. Anyone knows best ascendency for this?

[void loom]

https://discord.com/channels/174993814845521922/1407910773782478999
found this. Keeping this here for others to find.

[native surge]

Chaluyla monk will be good, deadeye probably good, blood mage and sorceresses maybe

Amazon could work too

If u do chonk (c monk) don’t take the darkness node

[faint current]

Excuse me, I need directions to the Sorceress or Witch channel so I can see what those players are going to be doing so I can find inspiration to make my own build as a new player.

[native surge]

https://discord.com/channels/174993814845521922/1308715058716610580 in here 🙂

it's based on the ascendancies

so infernalist, bloodmage, stormweaver, chronomancer, lich, and 1 other one i cant remember

[empty sequoia]

Bloodmage spark? Does anyone think it’s going to be better than running a storm weaver?

[round mica]

I can't see Invoker not being solid, just so versatile

[eternal meadow]

Anyone tried single stack poison build? With Herald of Plague?

[quiet forge]

@wraith palm

[wraith palm]

Waddup

[quiet forge]

This guy wanted to know about herald of plague

[wraith palm]

I did an acolyte crit flickerstrike chaos stack with atsaks sight in 0.2, was really good. Higher damage ceiling now with the update to acolyte for 0.3

[formal silo]

Does projectile speed, increase the speed at something like toxic growth? From shooting to landing?

[noble token]

it does on siege cascade and they are both rain skills so i would assume yes

[formal silo]

ty

[frail sedge]

Is blood mage hp/crit stacking looking better or worse in the upcoming league compared to last league?

[noble token]

numerically 20% less crit dmg bonus from the life stacking but you get 2 free points + the crit chance node is first now which is good because its better early game than crit dmg

the 2 points is massive

[cedar glacier]

I was thinking about starting with sorc and elemental equilibrium, but it's so far away, did they mention potentially moving it at all? with it being reworked to interact with infusions, it seems like it would be better for it to be closer to sorc

[shut basalt]

there's a projectile damage stacking Gemling I did last patch that could pick it up

I did Ember Fusillade + Fireball for that one

but I might switch to Ember Fusillade + Arc

in which case I just need lightning infusions so no need for EE

[subtle jetty]

Are we going to have more information before leage start? Like what level mortar cannon is or what the skill tree looks like? Or do we just have to figure everything out at launch?

[brittle anvil]

yes, usually

[quiet forge]

GGG: "we want players to figure that kind of thing out on their own"

[faint current]

Okkkk chat, I want to make my own build but I dont have any spells chosen yet but I know which character's' I might pick. I'd like a link or check-list to help guide along.

I.e.

Step 1: Choose character
step 2: pick spell's'
step 3: supports to enable said spell's'
step 4: defenses (but i'll get lost here because idk how much I need of anything besides 75 resistance)
step 5: instructions not clear, washed up on wraeclast

[merry scarab]

hey, i was just theorizing about a Deadeye Bleed Build, anyone know of specific item mods or uniques I should use?
https://maxroll.gg/poe2/pob/xxi850gm

[faint current]

Hiii stupid question but I was told in path of exile 1 that damage over time which means bleeding too I think that dots cannot crit. I think that’s true in this game too but I’m not sure. But why do you have 100% and crit multi?

[merry scarab]

oh well, its complicated

forget the crit multi, prob not good on new patch

the 100 crit is granted by snipe itself

but dont count on it anymore

[brittle anvil]

you can use crit for dots from hits in 2

[merry scarab]

correct

[merry scarab]

bleed scales its damage off of the pre-mitigation physical hit that inflicts the respective bleed

so it will go through, increased, then more, then multipliers (like armour break more on that later, but more importantly crit multi) and just before armour

problem is that IMO crit is hard to scale and im hoping that the utility from Called Shots is better than the crit scaling from Amazon

if it turns out crit is just better, I could simply just stop using frenzy charges, and go full in to crit, there are nodes for crit chance on bleeding enemies after all

[merry scarab]

I imagine it most likely wont, because part of the snipe change grants it better damage on heavy stunned enemies, which ill achieve by marking them with bloodhounds mark and armour break thanks to rain of arrows.

now that i think of it, rain of arrows probably need haemocrystals support to stop it consuming the incision stacks

[hoary bolt]

Blackbraid buffed even more, holy

[hoary bolt]

you could also use malady support

it basically swaps poison and bleed chance so it wont cause bleeding

[dusky field]

I'm thinking about this
Cold Deadeye with Ice Shot is main clearing skill + Herald of Ice.
with single target I will use Freezing Salvo (It just got buffed recently with quality more freeze buildup) and then Snipe + Mirage archer with Snipe skill .
So I will try to freeze the boss as soon as I can, then Snipe it because Snipe deal more damage with Frozen enemy.
I don't know how it work with mirage archer with snipe, like me and my mirage will dual snipe ? hope it works
Do you guys have any idea or tips with this ? thanks

[quiet forge]

use ice-tipped arrows

the rest of it is generation of charges and management of your ailments & gear

[dreamy bridge]

i wonder how easy it'll be to stack elemental armor and if it can go past 100%

[willow elm]

With Toxic Growth being barrageable will they remove the limit on pods?

[uncut bay]

you need some kinda synergy between skills, passives, items or ascendancy

then you know it could be a new build

[eternal pilot]

Are they not that bad? they sound really bad but I might be overlooking something?

[uncut bay]

yes they are pretty bad

[dreamy bridge]

passive block nerf, giant's blood especially feels unnecessary

incentivising 1H maces by punishing giant + 2H Shield

[static torrent]

Passive Block now also works on most Hits, and Giant's Blood was practically the default, so of course it would be tuned down in some way.

[eternal pilot]

yeah but like - 55-60% EHP? with those two nerfs combined

I dont even remember what kind of "unblockable" attacks was even dangerous ontop of my head. Small instances of damage in quick succession that resulted in stun threshold breaking was mostly what ended up getting you killed. Now with worse hp and worse block and thus worse stun threshold. This is just going to be way more common?

[uncut bay]

they should have added 2k life to the mace builds instead of taking away 400 life or whatever with giants blood

[exotic compass]

Next season chaos innoculation will set your life to 0 and just insta gib you in hideout 😭

[unborn horizon]

did you guys like the patch notes update? flicker guys are crying

[exotic compass]

We have so much to see still, both in 0.3, 0.4, etc

[dreamy bridge]

slams and explosions from non-bosses like the ones with stone wheels come to mind

[noble token]

i think people are overreacting about the block changes, which we objectively cant classify as a buff or nerf because we dont know what % of all hits a player takes most often were blockable before

the change that is a mystery to me is giants blood life nerf

it was popular and that was indeed evidence that something needed to change, but i feel like that something shouldve been bringing 1h+shield up not 2h+shield down

you absolutely cannot function in maps as melee without very strong regen or a good avoidance layer like ev/block

im excited for the new warrior notables but im not high enough on copium to think that theres going to be % life on any of them

[eternal pilot]

I mean we know alot of stuff was blockable since you could tank alot of monsters with 75% block but if you got stunned you died in 0.2 seconds.

[noble token]

just capped block was never enoigh to tank a bunch of monsters was it?

my smith used block + a little armor + very high regen + life on block + leech

and im ngl i did not feel very tanky

not because i was getting one shot but warrior abilities innately make you very vulnerable to damage

whereas a deadeye might be squishier but you can just off screen clear a pack without ever even getting aggroed

this is also why i think evasion might have been the weakest defense numerically, but evasion characters have a much easier time just staying out of range of most attacks so evasion didnt feel as bad

[dreamy bridge]

the issue might be that 2H Shield is objectively better than 1H Shield because of damage. Maybe a less atk speed would be better? There's not a lot of things to nerf about giant's blood without going against the "fantasy" of a character having giant's blood

[quiet barn]

so we all knew that ember fussilade is the best method to stack volatility on chalupa what if we make ember fussilade the main skill for the class with the help of blackflame conversion wouldnt it be synergize so well u still ignite enemies so still stackin volatility and all damage dealt will be chaos wouldn't this make a true chaos DPS in the game?

blackflame acolyte build

[eternal pilot]

I just feel like its a big meme being a big hulking guy with a massive shield and armour. Being extremly stupid slow. While also being so freaking squishy

[unreal girder]

Grenade cannons should each have their own individual cooldowns on using grenades right?

[dreamy bridge]

honestly I'd change it to incentivise dual wield 2H instead of 2H shield

[dreamy bridge]

I'd assume it's a ballista totem for nades, so yeah they'd have their own cooldown

they also said it has improved cooldowns on the cannon

[eternal pilot]

Btw was there any other armour buffs beside the new affix on gear?

[fickle thistle]

What makes stronger poison dmg.

Going all into dmg nodes on a singular poison with Low tolerance.

Or going into all into multiple poisons like 5 total (non-pathfinder)

And does crit have any impact? Since poison is affected by the initial hit?

[woven depot]

different builds, I prefer singlular stack poison builds and just focus on scaling the initial hit as high as possible (yes Crit works for this purpose)

[fickle thistle]

Ahhh I see. So crit focused singular poison might would likely be stronger than going into 5 poisons u think?

As non-pathfinder atleast

[woven depot]

not necessarily, it’d be a completely different build

There’s merit in increasing amount of poison stacks as well

But no point going above a stack number that you/your build can’t feasibly achieve

[alpine parrot]

ok so
last patch i just used melee due to mana constraints and it was pretty much, stun bosses in 2 sec then 10 more sec to kill
but next patch weapons gonna have less str/stats req so i have more leeway
any ideas how to actually use/what skills to use that are not melee with that as amazon?

clearing was with leap slam *

[fickle thistle]

I essentially want to use spear skills. (Not elemental ones tho) mostly normal attacks, maybe rapid assault, spear throw and spearfield sorta stuff

I was thinking of trying the Spire of Ire spear since it's all about chaos damage. And looks pretty neat.

[woven depot]

I’d probably go for stacks then tbh, could try both approaches

[fickle thistle]

Hmm. Is it worth to use crit on a spear thars only 5% tho?

[woven depot]

much less so, if you really want to you could always go northpaw unique gloves, sets all attack crits to baseline 7%

what ascendancy are you thinking

[fickle thistle]

Well the ones that interest me most are Lich, Acolyte and Ritualist

Mostly leaning towards acolyte tho.

[fickle thistle]

That sounds cool

[woven depot]

alright alright, Deadeye gets easy critical weakness now, that’s effectively +10% base crit

if you really want to crit

[fickle thistle]

Ehhhh deadeyeeee

Oh yeah. Is there any way to get poison pops? Ik bleed has herald of blood or something that makes explosions for quicker clearing

[woven depot]

Bursting plague support gem ig

[ebon arrow]

what build will be op and have an easy time on launch?

[alpine bone]

what if lightning spear + hollow palm = zeus?

[tidal jacinth]

New patch notes when

[tough ginkgo]

When did the community will know the best builds?

And when the new filters will be avaliable?

If I got the 0.2 of NeverSink it will update automatically?

[formal silo]

Week after launch once all the bait is bricked

Neversink will be that day

[tough ginkgo]

But I have to add a new filter or the 0.2 will update?

[hoary bolt]

if youre subscribed to the filter through your account it will update

when he updates it

if you just downloaded the filter files manually they wont

[dusk tangle]

I intend to take the bait

[zealous valve]

i hope blood witch isnt too nerfed just got on to try the lightning spear stuff, super fun

[dusty kiln]

is flickerstrike now still a thing to build around?
or even usable at all?

perhaps i need a secondary skill, or rather primary, which i use for dps and charging and flickerstrike whenever its charged?
(stormwave into flickerstrike, or maybe tempest flurry into flickerstrike? as i get attackspeed from unarmed?)

[formal silo]

Well there won’t be much bait because 75% of the league knows better and will just slam lightning at start

I’m so salty about toxic growth. Jonathan made it sound like we were getting toxic rain but it’s not even close

[radiant quarry]

OK so im testing minions, and in A1 i feel like i basically am dooing 99% of the damage myself and they are kinda irrelevant? Does that change?

[steady breach]

melee minions and specters are getting buffs on friday

problem with melee minions currently is that they need accuracy to hit stuff, so they miss a bunch

[radiant quarry]

ok, but from a leveling experience - am i always going to be supplementing them with self casting spell damage?

[steady breach]

cant answer that, havent done a minion build yet

[radiant quarry]

cause right now im thinking - sure i can summon skeletal minions, but why would i when i do far more damage with chaos spells

kinda forcing it for no reason

[open brook]

just checking the new max block chance node on the warbringer just changes the maximum right? you still have to get 75% chance from gear and passives?

[steady breach]

yes

cos they are lowering the default max chance cos there is a lot more stuff thats blockable

[open brook]

I havent played a warrior in poe2 yet, are there any investable sources of flat block chance you can get, if you take the warbringer nodes, you get 35%, then you still need another 37% increased block just to get 50% block chance, at that point travelling for the whole 115% increased block seems not worth it for 75 block that you take 30% of the blocked hits for

[steady breach]

i havent played one either, so dunno the finer details

[foggy sundial]

I'm thinking of trying a stormweaver hollow palm technique for that double shock/chill (applied on all hits). Any idea how well it'd work?

[modern socket]

I haven't played poe2 since initial 0.2 release and even then only up to level 40 something.
What is something I could more or less safely start with in 0.3?
I've seen a Mjölner EQ Build in 0.2, is this still doable?
Or any EQ at all if it is starting viable

[distant dome]

So if my Ignite does 500% of the mob's HP, will this give me a ton more energy? or does it only scale down?

Next patch I could have my ignites doing 200-300% of enemies HP bars by early maps

[frail sedge]

Yo guys I have a build in mind but I'm not sure if it'd be possible, I'm thinking of trying to get the Mjölner work with Heat of The forge Kitava's ascendency node and
Crown of Eyes unique to get fire and lightning spells proc on melee hits while going for spell damage/energy passives, would this be possible? any thoughts?
or it'll be complete shit? xd

[modest ingot]

Does Amazon Lightning spear still look viable in 0.3.0? The crit chance Tangletongue gives got heavily nerfed, from a previous max of 20% to a 8% max.

Can Amazon compensate enough for this though?

[brittle anvil]

Damage also nerfed i believe, and also methods to get frenzy charge passively

[modest ingot]

Oh I didnt see the damage nerfs in the patch notes

I saw somewhere that Deadeye Lightning spear builds are dead

So wondering if Amazon lightning spear would be a viable league starter, not too OP anymore, but like not ass, at least a decent build?

[brittle anvil]

Yeah I wouldn't say it's dead, can still be decent

[cold prism]

I wonder if a blood mage with Rake and Reap (the skill given by one of the new staff) would be viable, or if the combination of needing dex for Rake, and Str/Int for Reap, would be too difficult. The idea of having both a staff and spear to try out the instant weapon swap in 0.3.0 is somewhat tempting

[sharp thorn]

It is not difficult to set up at all. This is pretty much a half of bloodmages in 0.2

It will be easier to make

[cold prism]

Still fairly new but like to make my own builds, but don't always end up knowing what is feasible. I might give it a try then 😄

[modest ingot]

Is it a typo in the patchnotes or did Galvanic shards really get changed to a one pump chump???

Like it says it only has 1 shot in the clip

1 bolt instead of the previous 5

Huge buffs otherwise to it, but now you have to reload after every shot?

[cold prism]

Doesn't look like a typo to me.

You no longer slow down while reloading, and the reload of galvanic shards is lower, so it's not exactly the same as reloading it before. With Double Barrel and quality (if it remained the same), you could also get another 3 shots. And we don't know passive skill tree changes, so hard to say how hard/easy it might be to get extra magazine size there. There's also a lineage support that auto-reloads when you dodge, that could also help.

[sharp thorn]

It clearly does not look like a typo.

[modest ingot]

I guess yeah but still feels like such a weird change... Dunno if I wanna play Galcanic shards anymore

[modest ingot]

I mean like if they forgot to add a zero at the end, 10ammo instead of 1

[sharp thorn]

That's funny.

Why do you think they increase damage then?

And a number of fragments

[native surge]

they want it to be the new LS

monks will be playing galv shards

[modest ingot]

To buff the skill

[native surge]

titans blood double xbow galv shards

[modest ingot]

Huh? Why?

[cold prism]

With shock lasting much longer now, way more viable to load galv shards, blast some mobs back and apply shock, then load in some different bolts.

I kinda like it

[native surge]

if it had 10 bolts

i was just joking

[modest ingot]

Ehh makes gameplay slower, clunkier feeling

[sharp thorn]

Galvanic shards is the best skill for crossbows in 0.2. It doesn't need a buff.

[modest ingot]

Don't really like that "priming" style

[cold prism]

To each their own 😄

[native surge]

its kinda like swapping guns in a shooter

using the slag pistol in borderlands 2 etc

[modest ingot]

Wonder when maxroll etc. Will start having new 0.3.0 league starter builds

[native surge]

friday

[modest ingot]

Yeah, fuck that mechanic lol

[modest ingot]

On launch day lol?

[native surge]

yeah

no tree

earliest is thursday

but thats a maybe

[eternal pilot]

This one might be able to sustain galvanic decently with double barrel

during clear

[cold prism]

Embrace the lack of available starter builds and just go YOLO 😄

If you bomb out, yell at Jonathan that build floor is still not high enough, since he said on interviews he wants you to be able to fumble your way through

[frail sedge]

I'm trying to create an ES/Armour hybrid with scaling spell damage to attack damage to synergize Mjölner being a mace with the spells it triggers. I plan to go left side for the hybrid ES armour passives and the spell/attack hybrid nodes.

I'm still deciding between Titan, Smith of Kitava (to add the fire spell proc on attack) or Bloodmage, as all 3 seem to have good synergy with this idea. which one would you think works best with this concept, and what other uniques/nodes could I add to make this better?

Also, would this idea work, or am I better with another weapon than mjolner? I really want to make use of the Crown of eyes in my next build, looks really fun

[native surge]

I’m probably just gonna put galv shards on my mirror archer

For mapping anyway

[eternal pilot]

Think the frost deadeye is going to be decent? with the change to freezing salvo and the ice shards etc?

[modest ingot]

Oh... Why have they not released it with all the other patch notes?

[modest ingot]

Remove the cost for respec and it would probably be fine?

[native surge]

They’re still working on it for sure

[native surge]

I was messing around with respec earlier and the first 40 levels or so you can fully respec for like 8k-10k gold which is like 20-30 items sold to merchants

It’s really fine now

I fully refunded my whole tree in the end of act 2

Free respec for the first weekend would be sick though

[mellow shale]

Does the notable "Event horizon" which makes you lose 3% HP on casting a spell, kill you if you have Chaos innoculation?

[steady breach]

from what i know about poe, it shouldn't

cos 3% of 1 is 0.03 and that rounds to 0

since life is calculated without decimals

but i have not tested it, so ¯_(ツ)_/¯

[mellow shale]

I guess i'll find out if i do a chaos build xD

[mellow shale]

or not, just realized it will stop ES recharge

[deft flare]

Goodday lads,

I'm planning ahead for 0.3 and i had a blast playing Lightningspear Amazon (tangletong+chickenleg). Does any of you know whether thats still viable and whats the best way to level towards this?

[uncut bay]

sacred flame still very strong for spears

amazon and tangletongue still strong

for leveling with spears I guess storm lance explosive spear, they are great

[deft flare]

I see ok! Also, i was wondering is theres a website which, for instance, details at what level what new weapon tiers will b available. For instance, next upgade for me weapon is at 78.. ssame with some other items, is there somewhere i can fetch this knowledge?

[uncut bay]

just check the trading website

[final mountain]

can anybody explain this thing to me?

I read the patch notes as well but I quite don't understand

is it an active skill? a persistent buff?

[torpid wraith]

Hey there! You think on only dodge Chayula monk is possible with new asc ?

[woven depot]

hard to say without seeing scaling on the new dodge node

[static torrent]

It is an active skill, essentially equivalent to Command skills on regular Minions. You press it and it calls down volleys of arrows onto the targeted location, dealing Minion damage.

[woven depot]

but doubt

[dreamy bridge]

gonna be clunky. it's a 5 second cooldown between void balls.

[fleet blaze]

best herald of blood bursting plague build?

[oak berry]

for pob, where can you see minion accuracy, i might be blind

[hoary bolt]

why do you want to know

[oak berry]

i wanna see how accurate the minions are?

[hoary bolt]

the reason I ask

is because in 0.3 minion accuracy will no longer exist

[oak berry]

if they have bad accuarcy i might wanna to change some nodes

[hoary bolt]

they will just hit 100% of the time

so youll be getting better accuracy for all of 4 days

[oak berry]

yes sir, thats the idea

[deft flare]

best build 0.3? LA Deadeye?

[fleet blaze]

is there a poison build that proliferates simialr to herald of ice ? im not well versed

screen clear etc

[hexed tiger]

Exsanguinate for blood loss + pin,
Herald of blood + Bone Shrapnel for pops.

Shrapnel and pin support can be swapped not sure which will work better

Thoughts?

[rigid sage]

Warrior going to be good to start new league with?

[hoary bolt]

there is no crossbow that fires additional bolts

[hexed tiger]

I really need a third 'herald like' in there to chain screen+ but not finding anything

[worn hound]

Me and my friend just bought the game and want to run through the campaign get to endgame before leauge start just to practice what builds do u guys recommend for us to go?

[dreamy bridge]

could go one melee one ranged

[hoary bolt]

Lightning Arrow Deadeye is a good choice

[worn hound]

Ooo lightning arrow seems fun u got a build guide we could follow?

[worn hound]

We want to run the same build cuz hes new to poe and dosent know whats happening and ive played a bunch of poe 1

[dreamy bridge]

hmm then yeah LA deadeye seems best. there's also monk and huntress

[frail ferry]

Very beginner question. If I do a typical frost type monk build to get me through the early league until we have build guides coming out with all the new changes, what would be the ideal time to respec? After Act 2? Act 3?

[dreamy bridge]

maybe act 3 town

[fleet blaze]

Best bow skill for herald of blood bursting plague bleed/poison ? I know nothing .

[dreamy bridge]

are you using both herald of blood and plague?

[fleet blaze]

herald of plague?no the interaction i saw was herald of blood with bursting plague support -> enemy dies while bleeding triggers bursting plague which is a hit that can poison and bleed -> it aoes and bleeds/poison surrounding enemies -> loop ensues.

but that's all i know

[frigid hill]

What spells have the best synergy with chonk's volatility? Can generate a lot reliably but unsure what to use it with. Flameblast and the new keystone maybe?

[dreamy bridge]

flameblast, blazing salvo or firestorm

[deft flare]

Can someone predict some S-tier builds in POE 0.3?

[hexed tiger]

arc deadeye

[deft flare]

Aight, is there already somethig available?

[hexed tiger]

Idk about theory crafted guides, but nothing in 0.2 because arc is being given proj tag in 0.3

[distant dome]

Dark Defiler with Detonate Dead with envenom, bursting plague and Contagion. 48 minions from unearth/raging spirits for 300% extra chaos damage.

It can chain react and one cast kills enemies 3 screens away if density is high enough, or one cast can kill an entire 30 second ritual (see video)

https://youtu.be/GZVrXQq8PQI?si=0kpJQBjlyUyTLqUy

[gusty bone]

What part of the new demon form scales with skill level? Just the life drain? Is it 3% more damage at all levels?

[olive meadow]

anyone here that's been looking/building a pconc 0.3 build? Would it be good in 0.3? I am thinking about trying to start with it

[orchid narwhal]

So far based on what we know, I think I decided on starting with a tactician using the new mortar totem. I shoot gas grenade, mortar shoots explosive grenade to blow up the gas. Take cannon's ready for a second mortar and embankment for added fire damage.

Then I'll take Polish that Gear for armor adding to deflect chance which I will try to get to 100%. Then Stay Light to defend with twice as much armor... That's 90% potential physical damage reduction, yeah? I'm not sure how it's calculated.

Should be really tanky with good clear. I'm not sure how it'll be with bosses though. Maybe throw in rapid shot to buff the grenades? Thoughts?

[native surge]

Ember fusillade

[eternal meadow]

If this support is still in, I would go mana tempest and some fast spell, like Ember fussilade

[frigid hill]

yes, generating it is not going to be difficult

I was wondering what the best payoff is

[eternal meadow]

I was thinking Poison, use some hard hitting skill to make sinlge mega poison and proliferate with Herald of Plague
Also I was leaning more towards attacks, but that's solely due to personal preference

[native surge]

Living bomb + herald of plague

[violet yarrow]

seriously the best builds that can make use of it is going to be using the new Blackflame keystone to scale ignite with it

[split stump]

Is poe2 more forgiving than poe1 in casual/new players trying to play blindly not following a build guide? If so, why is that and how easy is it to fix a broken character in comparison?

[willow elm]

It is as in general builds are less reliant on specific multi-unique interactions or gated behind things like timeless jewels and the game makes it easy to have multiple skills for multiple situations so you can tailor one skill to be a single target bossing skill and another to be a clear skill. Fixing a broken character requires gold, but as long as you are not trying to swap everything it is usually pretty manageable

[unreal sierra]

its way more forgiving

[willow elm]

That all being said, the further you try to push a build the more it starts to approach POE 1 in terms of optimizing the tiny details, but I would say it is much more forgiving and a lot less ocnfusing systems

[unreal sierra]

bunch of builds are working just by taking stuff on the tree that looks like it works with your idea

which in comparison to poe1 is way more reasonable to new player

[split stump]

Ok my issue with poe1 is I have limited time to play and when I mess up I feel like I wasted my time. Playing a guide is like “cheating” but at least it gets you somewhere at some point. Are there mechanics in poe2 so that that “time wasting” can be reversed without starting over? Or is it just that it’s much harder to mess up the build?

Or both?

[unreal sierra]

you can respec with gold quite reasonably, and sockets outside of gear make it way easier to experiment with different skills

[faint current]

I'm either going to play an ice archer, lightning archer or an arc blood mage or some type of sorceress

im going to try and build something online because looking on youtube netted nothing good or useless besides streamer clickbaits

slight problem, the website I was using only shows thing from 0.2 not the new one 💀

[unreal sierra]

because we still dont have much information

like new passive tree or support gems arent all out

[uncut bay]

well you can run out of gold and then you can't respec your passives anymore, so you just gotta make sure you have a build that can still farm maps after your respec

[static plinth]

We dont know, probably just the cast speed

[scarlet sandal]

If someone were to do a deadeye crit arc for next league.. would the passive tree be si.ilar to that of an LA?

[astral geode]

The bow skill snipe says "channel to charge up your bow before releasing a powerful shot. Releasing the moment you fully charge causes the arrow to explode on impact for a guaranteed critical hit"... Does that mean that the hit itself is guaranteed crit or is it just the additional explosion is guaranteed to crit?

[hidden siren]

none

[regal maple]

Will having same weapon shared between both weapon sets be something that's added in 0.3 or do we still have to wait

[astral geode]

What do you mean?

[hidden siren]

there is no guaranteed crit on perfect timing it was removed on 0.3

[astral geode]

Oh ok. Thanks

[hidden siren]

currently its the explosion that crits

[frosty finch]

Hey guys, are we going to have any good league starters ?

Is warrior just cooked ?

[static plinth]

Is there anything thats particularly good on the buff attack skills like Staggering Palm and Charged Staff, similar to Impale? Or is it just Impale

[foggy sundial]

is there any place to see the changes in the passive tree for 0.3 or do we have to wait for the new season?

[hidden siren]

wait

[foggy sundial]

thanks

[hexed tiger]

Arc Pin Tactician with Bone Shrapnel Herald of Thunder?

[vestal sequoia]

Where can i see the before / after of the talent tree please

[hexed tiger]

We don't have the new tree

[proven rapids]

sounds good

[vestal sequoia]

Yes we dont have it but i saw Fubgun showing the before / after with all the node . not the description tho

[fringe compass]

How do you know what nodes to take when going through the tree? I’m feeling a tad overwhelmed on what I should be focusing on. I don’t want to follow a guide I want to understand for myself, or is it a case of just try something and then change as you go

[frigid hill]

there's this frankenstein image if that helps

[vestal sequoia]

ah yes thats it thank you @frigid hill

[faint current]

Hiii, what are you guys opinion on an ice archer?

[dawn spire]

I love the archetype but you'll have to be more specific. I played an ice shot + snipe chronomancer in 0.1 and had a blast.

I'm considering an ice shot acolyte of chayula this time around, but not sure yet

Ice shot can work with basically every ascendancy imo

[tidal birch]

DeadEye probably very good

[faint current]

Idk, Im going to be the ranger ranger character and just pick the ice abilties as I level up

[dawn spire]

Tho it depends on how you define "work" I suppose. You just get different flavors of ice shot.

Oh, are you talking about the game now, or 0.3?

I assumed we were talking 0.3

[faint current]

0.3

[dawn spire]

I kinda wanna give ice shot stormweaver a go, but I'm not sure yet.

Pathfinder and Chronomancer have such good Qol that I find it hard to play anything else tbh

You want #1┃build-planning

This is poe2

[twilit river]

Wrong chat sorry

Just realised

[faint current]

I feel like my ice archer will be good but what scares me is that because idk this game so I wont know what legendary items to use or special gems 🥺

[dawn spire]

Well I have good news, there are no legendary items in poe2

The orange ones are called unique items and they're usually trash

Yellow (rare) items are all you should need

[stone apex]

Two steps: you need to know what your defensive layers are, and you need to know what your damage scaling methods are.

It can feel like there's a dozen different ones of both, which is where picking and going all in on it provides you with direction. For example, if you choose Crit as your damage scale, then you need to find every crit node and grab it. However, if you aren't using crit, then avoid every crit node instead. Repeat that over and over until you pick only the top of the defense and offense scaling.

[dawn spire]

And early in the campaign, blue (magic) items will work

Yeah I like to start by coming up with a concept. A bare minimum list of 1+ things the build needs to do or else it's not your build.

For example, my chronomancer ice shot needed to:

1. Time freeze bosses
2. Put down tornados behind them
3. Spend frenzy charges on barrage
4. Charge a snipe perfectly and fire the barraged version into the boss, pierce it, hit the tornados, and have them ricochet back into the boss for insane oneshots

In order to do that, I needed crit damage and I ignored crit chance (snipe no longer auto crits, sadly, so that won't work anymore), accuracy, attack speed, etc. I used ice shot for clearing so having freeze nodes helped a lot with proccing Herald of ice.

If all you want is "generic ice Archer" then there are dozens of ways you could plan your tree and still hit that mark. The more specific you can get, the better. You can also start with a goal or piece of content you want the build to be able to do

[frosty finch]

[fringe compass]

Thanks I’ll try that

[hexed tiger]

I was really hoping we'd have to take substantially fewer travel nodes

But only saw 1 fewer between my entire tree

[frigid hill]

"A small Attribute Passive Skill has been removed on all of the outward highways between class starting locations." I'm unsure where this is

[proven rapids]

When you attempt create more totem than your limited number of totem, does it kill the others totem like in poe1 ?

[hidden siren]

if its a limit yes why wouldnt it

old one gone new one up

[frosty finch]

Do we have the list of all the new support gems ?

I saw a list but all the images were in chinese

[static plinth]

At the very start of the tree, the fast routes out of the start are now faster

[scarlet sandal]

For deadeye arc build would you still use bow? Maybe like a widowhail with a +2 quiver or staff/wand, focus?

[faint current]

I wasn’t expecting such a detailed response so I went afk and drove to the store to do an Amazon return. People usually ignore me here 🤭

[hidden meteor]

Anyone planning to start with deadeye but not LA ? If so what are u starting with ? I was thinking ice shot or should I transition into ice shot in end game ?

[dusk narwhal]

bow? Not a lot of advantages widowhail + quiver have for arc. Main reason for spark was that it gave proj speed while having an easy +5 minimum.

[scarlet sandal]

Even with arc being a projectile in 3.0?

[winter vine]

Hello guys any way to mana leech in this game ?

[dusk narwhal]

the only reason I see to run widowhail + quiver for arc is a relatively easy +5 on the gem.
There's no other benefits to be had

[dusk narwhal]

main source is phys mana leech mod on rings.
This can be converted to ele mana leech via a new keystone in 0.3

[dusk narwhal]

as I said earlier, the main reason it worked for spark is because spark's damage scales indirectly with proj speed.
Arc and many other projectiles don't do that.

just like you don't see fireball users use widowhail + quiver just because it's a projectile

[zealous valve]

I hope i have a good time on bloodmage for 030

[abstract grove]

smith of kitava seems like it can hit 90% all res pretty readily by stacking fire res + unnatural resilience, plus 25% of phys taken as fire - add block and 50% reduced crit bonus and kitava should be tanky as hell no?

[median wharf]

U would think, but no

3.5-4k hp unless u a whale, oneshotted pretty easily

[abstract grove]

https://tenor.com/view/emoji-turning-into-ash-gif-5170814802321083685

[raw dagger]

I was thinking about it constantly but I don’t want my league start fucken obliterated so I’ll just start merc and try to play with armour evasion deflect shenanigans

[median wharf]

Also smith got nerfed, im hoping theres somethings to help on the tree

Infernoclasp is also removed

[winter vine]

Tyvm based on that I could either play monk chayula arc archmage either just take the keystone and play any asc ?

Also why they made arc projectile ? For the proj speed ?

[dawn spire]

Mana leech, at the moment, exists only for attacks as far as I'm aware. I think stormweaver might have exclusive rights to mana leech from spells, but I'm not sure

[winter vine]

Oh shit

mods on rings are only for attacks ?

[dawn spire]

Yep. Same for gloves

Unless they added new ones in the 0.3 notes

[winter vine]

Rip dream MoM EB infinite mana archmage arc

[dawn spire]

I mean, just go chronomancer. Ez mana recovery

[winter vine]

Should press a button 🙁

[dawn spire]

Spend it all, get back to full with temporal rift

[winter vine]

Might be an idea thanks you ! Any other way ?

[dawn spire]

Mana regen, stormweaver leech node, uhhhh

Yeah that's all I got off the dome. I still have poe1 brain atm

[winter vine]

same im lost

[dawn spire]

Mana flask

[winter vine]

leech node on SW is new ?

[dawn spire]

No

[winter vine]

I see recoup not leech

[faint current]

Okiii chat, putting my ice archer on pause for a moment because I found this build online. It's classified as an end-game build but it's an ice mage and I love that for me. Roughly speaking I dont expect to reach that point before 0.3 but how much does a build like this generally cost? https://www.poe-vault.com/poe2/witch/blood-mage/blood-mage-frostbolt-build?utm_source=youtube&utm_medium=video&utm_campaign=FuAH93pJimo

[hidden siren]

that all depends on when u start it

currently its the end of league so everything is expensive

[faint current]

lets say its early league maybe a a couple weeks in the league

[surreal glade]

Is there a really good tier list out there for the upcoming 0.3 patch? I know its early and speculative but I find tier lists somewhat interesting anyways 🙈. Especially if its made by a known , experienced person

[faint current]

that asian boy had one idr his name

I saw him sometimes in the old game so he knows some stuff. But he said the tier list could be totally wrong because we don't have any solid information with #'s yet

[atomic halo]

jungroan lol

[astral geode]

I know in the Livestream they said the attribute costs are going down. Does that include support gems or just equipment?

[atomic halo]

read the patch notes

[frank talon]

Does someone know if we can expect PoB update before the start or not? 🤔 It seems like in patch notes there wasnt enough information on the new nodes etc?

[abstract grove]

trying to make aweaponswap xbow/2h mace build..
idea is to use the xbow to proc shock/freeze and remove armor, then use sunder to consume all debuffs for a big bleed
is there a support gem to give damage and make a skill consume freeze?

[foggy sundial]

biting frost?

[nimble hound]

tactican or warbringer mortar build?

[arctic viper]

With lineage supports isn’t their a chance that the skill you support with it is just going to be your main skill again like past leagues ? XD
I’m a bit worried that the combo playstyle they want us to do might be disrupted by a skill beeing overwhelmingly better cause of lineage supports

[drifting cedar]

warbringer i think, but, what grenade? and take what, warcry + totems + armor shred and clear with armour explosion?

[olive basin]

been thinking tactician totem of some elemental variety but i know nothing about totems in poe2 so might just wing it...kinda poking around pob though

[north talon]

I mean you will probably always have main skills, but the change mostly lets supporting skills still be relevant instead of massive drops in damage output

[teal dock]

Gonna be doing a Blackflame Covenant Kitava Warrior, I'm ready. 😁

[cinder steeple]

So uh, what's a good Amazon build?

Lightning spear?

[next moat]

Sure, for the next 4 days 😄

[cinder steeple]

True...

[undone mortar]

What do we think, does this allow unarmed attacks to benefit from quarterstaff passives to attack speed and crit?

[cyan garnet]

What could be some fun unorthodox builds we might be able to go?

[foggy sundial]

@cyan garnet I'm farely newbish, but I was thinking of trying a stormweaver hollow palm build....double shock and applying it on all hits sounds good. Only problem is that the build seems to want shock magnitude and crit. Taking into account the need for energy shields and evasion as well as damage increases, I'm wondering if you'd be able to get enough for what you need to make it work. It could be a total PoS, but I don't like copying builds, so at least it'd be my PoS

[tidal sorrel]

Will Hollow Palm apply to all armor, like gloves helm and boots?

[haughty wadi]

is this a big nerf or am i misreading it

[lunar trail]

Would say probably assume quarterstaff passives don't have any affect. The notable just says attack as though using a quarterstaff, not count as having a quarterstaff

[unreal sierra]

it wont work with quarterstaff passives

[undone mortar]

yeah that's what I'm guessing

Unless they add more unarmed clusters, that kinda sucks

This is the only one there right now

And the notable is one of those crappy tradeoff ones

[atomic halo]

still a great value node

[foggy sundial]

it all depends on how base damage scales with skill level

[undone mortar]

So, I was doing the math on that too

Using my 0.1 monk as a reference. Midtier gear.

To equal that staff, I'd need 15.5 avg damage per skill level from hollow palm.

And even then, with the armor I had, I'd be -3% base crit.

[atomic halo]

ngl if that's so, i feel the base would be closer to 10 avg dmg per level

[undone mortar]

That would uhh, kind suck I think

That was a pretty middling staff

Bad crit roll, too

[static plinth]

Tbf Hollow Palm is a lot faster than that

[undone mortar]

The attack speed would be the only thing it has going for it

From that setup (which didn't change much in 0.2 iirc)

So I'd lose 21% increased there, that's no big deal though

But I'd also lose 61% crit damage from some staff nodes

So 5.46x to 4.85

Based on my evasion in that setup, I'd get 54.64% more AS, which is more than what I have currently which is 32%

So overall 17% more

So, let's round that up to 20% more to account for additional unarmed speed nodes, I still don't see how that makes up for losing 3% base crit (from 14% to 11%), 61% crit damage (should be more with a good staff), and possibly a bunch of flat phys, over using a weapon.

[undone mortar]

idk man, what am I missing? I know I'm comparing middling gear here vs high investment, but it seems like high investment would favor just a regular weapon build still.

[atomic halo]

nothing to miss, im just being pessimistic

dont take my word with too much weight

[unreal sierra]

honestly it feels like bait node unless dmg will be unrealistically high

but that wont stop me from trying it on day 1

should be fairly easy to go back to qstaff if it will be unplayable tier

[hoary bolt]

"it will probably be bad unless its good"

ah yes

[unreal sierra]

like whole thing depends on phys dmg number

yes

[hoary bolt]

then why not believe its good unless its bad

[unreal sierra]

and usually ggg tends to give those stuff low numbers so im just realistic

[hoary bolt]

its not a warrior-adjacent mechanic, so its probably good

[unreal sierra]

[undone mortar]

Is monk like, in a good state though?

[unreal sierra]

on 0.2 seemed decent

not LS tier but ok

[atomic halo]

general qs stuff is solid

falling thunder seemed quite strong with big power charges

[undone mortar]

Power charge gen seems harder though

[unreal sierra]

i was hyped for flicker... but its dead now

at least for primary skill

[atomic halo]

damage is even crazier now

[unreal sierra]

true, but new quality nodes made me excited for 100% uptime

[foggy sundial]

do we know for certain that quarterstaff passive tree nodes won't work with hollow palm twchnique?

[unreal sierra]

from wording i am 99% certain they wont

[foggy sundial]

"can attack as though using a quarterstaff" might imply that you get quarterstaff passives, but, it's not concrete either way

[unreal sierra]

id say it should mean you can use quarterstaff skills but your "weapon type" is still unarmed

[undone mortar]

I don't think anyone knows

Wait

I'm gonna bet right now

[unreal sierra]

but yeah it may actually work

who knows now

[undone mortar]

They forgot to make it work for heralds

[foggy sundial]

lol

[undone mortar]

It's gonna be like "you need to be wielding a martial weapon to activate this skill"

[hoary bolt]

The issue with Flicker is that the damage was already crazy good

it was the sustained attack and quality of life that lacked

and now theyre doubling down on that idea

[undone mortar]

El Classico

[subtle jetty]

I'm going warbringer cause of Answered Call minions. I also don't like having to tie totem activations to when I fire, which is where Tactician seems to shine. I'm thinking my mortar spreads the armor breaking gas grenades, and I fire the explosive grenades. Only problem would be if they share a cd. Then I'm rolling deadeye.

[frigid jasper]

Thinking of trying tactician for the first time. Is this a mistake?

[next moat]

Absolutely not. I'll just ping @hoary bolt here for some Tactician evangelism.

[hoary bolt]

Hello it me

Tactician is stronger than ever, and it wasn't a bad choice even in 0.2

Tac has a fair bit of generic power, but especially power for ballista and crowd control builds

Its also the de facto support character ascendancy, but that's a bit more niche

[frigid jasper]

I don't mind playing support role. I like to party up, even with strangers. More fun playing in a group I find

is there a build you can recommend?

[hoary bolt]

Generally tactician support builds are built quite weak in most other areas, and can't really be played alone whatsoever

[frigid jasper]

ah, interesting. I do play a BIT of solo

so might not go full supp build

[hoary bolt]

As far as more well rounded Tac builds go, I'm putting together a Permafrost Bolts + Incendiary shot build myself that ill be making videos on

we dont have the new tree from 0.3 yet, so the actual specifics of tree stuff is unfortunately out of our hands until poe2db datamines it from the preload the day before launch

i made a short reddit post on the concept if wish to have a read @frigid jasper https://www.reddit.com/r/pathofexile2builds/comments/1mx6r7e/permafrost_bolts_now_have_absolutely_disgusting/

[frigid jasper]

awesome, thanks. I'll hit you up later for vid links. Very keen to follow what you're doing

[next moat]

I'd also hype this by saying Xbows were already my favorite weapon base type in 0.2, and they got nothing but QoL buffs in this patch.

It's a great start option that will be super solid, regardless of how the tree plays out + won't be as expensive as bow stuff at league start.

[frigid jasper]

yeah, I've now got a thing for xbows. Still upset at myself for selling a +7 proj skill and +150% phys damage xbow for cheap as I'm stoopid.

[untold glen]

I think you're misreading it,

Base damage is a lot higher, so the multiplicative damage increase in each stage starts off better and even though its 40% instead of 60%, its 40% of a much bigger number. I havent done the full maths on it atm, but im pretty sure it means you dont have to charge it to max stages for ti to be useful, but also itll do a lot more damage at each stage.

Also because youre dealing with bigger base numbers, support gems will do more to boost it as well.

[atomic halo]

old:
(1.56*(1+0.6*5))*5 = 3120% dmg eff

new:
(2.54*(1+0.4*4))*4 = 2642% damage eff.
overall difference:
1-2642/3120 = 15% less damage, but you need to channel for 1 less stage (20% less channelling time)
see fixed below

[untold glen]

Legend.

[atomic halo]

(hopefully i got it right lol)

[untold glen]

Yeah, is that with Quality giving the additional stage?

2.54 = starting damage.
1+0.4*4 = each stage multiplier?
)*4 = max number of stages?

Im trying to figure it out stage by stage, and not sure if I need to change both the stage multiplier *4 to *2 as well as the number of stages *4 to *2.

But either way, I dont think total damage was the issue with SS, more that it took so long to get anywhere with it, now 2 stages is still going to be pretty great.

[subtle jetty]

I neeeeed the passive tree plzzzz cmon ggg

[atomic halo]

your formatting is messed up by markdown, put a backslash \ before every asterix

oh waitt im dumb

[atomic halo]

revised:
old:
(1.56*(1+0.6*5))*6 = 3744% dmg eff

new:
(2.54*(1+0.4*4))*5 = 3302% damage eff.
overall difference:
1-2642/3120 = 11% less damage, but you need to channel for 1 less stage

i forgot to factor in the initial hit

[atomic halo]

0.4 = 40% more damage per stage
4 = # of stages
4 = number of hits (this should be 6 and 5, not 5 and 4, as i originally forgot to include the initial hit along with the aftershocks)

[untold glen]

Legend. Look team, I got us 4% more damage 😄

So (2.54*(1+0.4*2))*3
Would be correct for the inital hit plus first stage which is two? aftershocks,

and then we just increase the *2 and *3 for each stage?

Just trying to see how important it would be to fully charge it up.

I appreciate all the maths help though, absolute legend.

[atomic halo]

yeah, that looks about right

and you just add 1 to 2 and 3 per stage as you said

oh, and if we really want:

[fleet blaze]

do LA deadeyes use a tri ele bow or phys?

[atomic halo]

phys

but maybe that could change in 0.3.0

[fleet blaze]

cool. poe2 where everyone just stacks phys.

[atomic halo]

no but actually yes

[mental stag]

Deadeye unarmed… seems good

[steady breach]

3ele was a thing in poe1 because of trinity support, but trinity works differently in poe2

[uncut bay]

I mean, if you get flat lightning damage on the bow it's also pretty good

[untold glen]

I think I read somewhere that trinity is being changed?

[steady breach]

just that it will also work for ele spells, was only attacks

[static plinth]

Is there any way to trigger aftershocks with non-mace skills?