2┃build-planning

[dawn spire]

Idk if it's "off-meta" now, but it was when I first came up with it (before mathil made a video for it, lol): Incinerate pathfinder

Damn, someone beat me to it

[queen escarp]

so im doing a essence drain acolyte i went with waking dream 1st ascendency is this the best option? i need some opinions haha

[dawn spire]

waking dream probably the best first option, yeah

[queen escarp]

alright nice late game i was thinking about messing around with the darkness but i havent heard of anyone using it

[dawn spire]

to make acolyte work you'll either need to go the darkness branch or take reality rending. Reality rending only benefits your dark effigy, though

[queen escarp]

ye i was sceptical about reality rending

seems like i could get some giga damage with darkness nodes tho

[dawn spire]

I'm not sure how the darkness fully works tbh.

It says the reservation lasts 10 seconds (5 with the last node). But I'm not sure how this works:

1. Get hit for 100 damage at t = 0s
2. Get hit for 100 damage again at t = 5s

would you:
A. Recover 100 darkess at t = 10s and another 100 at t = 15s (each instance of darkness loss is separate)
or
B. Recovery 200 darkness at t = 15s (darkness loss refreshes the reservation timer)

if it's A, then darkness might not be so bad

[dawn spire]

the damage node for darkness would also only apply for dark effigy

[queen escarp]

ye most people ive seen just go the waking dream path

[dawn spire]

but also spirit gems aren't super crucial for a chaos dot build

imo

[sharp thorn]

There is a withering presence and blasphemy at least.

[queen escarp]

yep the reality rending would work on the hit of essence drain also i think but seems kinda bad

[dawn spire]

and into the breach has 0 reservation cost, and it also makes supports like clarity and vitality also cost 0 spirit

so you can still get some spirit supports with darkness

[queen escarp]

blaphemy is more qol no ?

[dawn spire]

withering presence isn't super great once you get quality on dark effigy anyway
and blasphemy is kinda meh imo

I like manual cast despair with decaying hex

for more dark effigy damage

can also weapon swap to curse nodes for that

decaying hex makes the despair get transferred via contagion as well

[queen escarp]

can do alot of intersting stuff with this setup i like it

i think waking dream is def a safe path tho

[dawn spire]

yeah I think you take both waking dream nodes in basically every case with chaos dot

[queen escarp]

yea 100%

[midnight mural]

does anyone know if Hands of wisdom and action add dmg to trail of caltrops? the tooltip seems to increase, but the damage seems the same

trying to make something weird with them

[dawn spire]

well, now that I read the flame effects again, I'm not 100% sure anymore lol.

Having double effect of flames gives you a bit more life and mana leeched from them, but the purple flames only help dark effigy. It's still very good, but, at best, it's another 70% of damage added as chaos

[queen escarp]

i think it adds onto dot too?

[dawn spire]

gain as extra does not affect damage over time

[queen escarp]

ahhh so its only helping my essence drain hit

[dawn spire]

so like 4 nodes on acolyte only affect dark effigy damage

[queen escarp]

hmm

[dawn spire]

essence drain hit damage is basically 0 for the sake of planning your build

I hope you weren't banking on the gain as extra affecting your dots when you picked acolyte...

[queen escarp]

hahaha def was its ok i can just respec

gotta plan something else tho xD

didnt read well enough

[dawn spire]

caltrops is worded very vaguely. It says it attacks with a % of base damage, doesn't seem to require any specific weapon, and also lists its own base damage.

But, unlike thinks like totems, it does NOT say that it uses its own weapon. But even if it did, I'd say added damage would still work?

I'm gonna go out on a limb and say added damage should work for caltrops

[dawn spire]

dark effigy is a ton of damage, so getting a node that only scales that doesn't sound like the end of the world

dark effigy is insane single target dps

you can take both the waking dream nodes, the chaos res node, and reality rending. That buffs dark effigy and also leaves you with spirit

[queen escarp]

so it would be a totem build at that point haha

[dawn spire]

for bosses, but all chaos dot builds basically are totem builds for bosses 😛

dark effigy is just that good. And not to mention that there isn't any "increased damage over time" on the tree. It's all increased chaos damage

so all those nodes help your dots and your dark effigy equally

[queen escarp]

i guess i have made a pretty good bosser then

or am making

[dawn spire]

essence drain + contagion + decaying hex + poison (I like to use envenom support on dark effigy) = 4 projectiles per shot with dark effigy

it shreds

[queen escarp]

for like my 1st own idea for a build it couldve been worse haha

[queen escarp]

will try that

[dawn spire]

yeah chaos dot doesn't really have a ton of super synergistic ascendancies atm

[queen escarp]

ive seen lich

[dawn spire]

I basically go with stuff that offers tankiness

[queen escarp]

but i wanted too do something different

[dawn spire]

I truly don't see why people like lich for chaos dot

an extra curse and explosions is ok I guess, but it hurts your contagion spread, I'm pretty sure

[queen escarp]

oh lich has the same deal

its extra chaos damage from unholy might

[dawn spire]

?

yeah, unholy might is useless for the dots

[queen escarp]

i havent read into lich at all

[dawn spire]

If I went lich I'd probably go curse branch + regen based on life + more damage w/ ES cost

but my favorite for chaos dot is chronomancer

pathfinder would also be pretty fun

[queen escarp]

oo how come?

[dawn spire]

temporal rift is my favorite skill, it's so much tankiness and survival in one button

[queen escarp]

ye that ascendency has crazy survival

[dawn spire]

and it just have solid stuff and lots of ways to build

[queen escarp]

ye cant go wrong

[dawn spire]

convalescence has a 30s cd and chronomancer laughs at cooldowns. So you can go CI and basically have permanent uptime on your ES recahrge with the cooldown nodes

[queen escarp]

im making this acolyte as i go so havent planned defences much yet

[dawn spire]

temporal rift + cooldown nodes + apex of the moment would be my pick (apex slows nearby enemies)

[queen escarp]

haha ye thats wild

[dawn spire]

Acolyte solves chaos res which is pretty massive, defensively

and picking up remnants will sustain your life

[queen escarp]

yep but im not sure if i should go full es or es evasion?

[dawn spire]

acolyte doesn't have much for avoiding one-shots aside from darkness which only adds, at most, a buffer of 1055 darkness at level 90

ES +EVA is a very strong combo rn

I'd go both

but for the campaign, focus on life + resists

[queen escarp]

alright will do that

🫡

[dawn spire]

ghost dance is massive, so that's a good argument against darkness nodes

[queen escarp]

i think ill go this most likely

[shut star]

Thank you @dawn spire
I hope my words weren't taken as aggression. I replied to your reply (about fire based class/ascend recommendations) in a bad mood and I don't know why it poured over to discord I'll give your suggestion(s) a shot ♥

[dawn spire]

nah you're good

[dawn spire]

that's exactly how I'd build a chaos dot AoC. But I might be curious and test how darkness works if I had some extra gold

[queen escarp]

ye i will def try it im on trade too so i can experiment alot

gemling could also be intresting for dot build

[stable siren]

how do i find out the stat scaling of abilities like im buying gear and hypothetically if it was the same price to get 2% int 2% strength 2% dex and i already met all the benchmarks i needed then it makes most sense to take the one that my main spells scale off right? idk i might just be way off in understandjng pls help

[idle goblet]

I found out convalescense works on Life if ya get Ethernal Youth. Since i still don't have CI and finaly menaged to get Ethernal Youth I'm using Convalescense (htf is it written ?) as an emergency versus Bleed/Poisons 😐

[dawn spire]

you almost had it. convalescence

[junior mesa]

Your spells don't scale with abilities. Strength gives +life, dex gives +accuracy, and intelligence gives +mana. Nothing else

[idle goblet]

uh, pretty close

[stable siren]

okok ✍️

[idle goblet]

Tbh i'm a bit missing my auto ES recharge, i almost died yesterday because i forget to press 1

[dawn spire]

hold alt and click on underlined keywords to read aboutwhat they do. Attributes (str/dex/int) tell you exactly what they do

by default, nothing scales with attributes

There are a few rare exceptions

and they will be explicitly stated

[muted birch]

Have an Amazon and wanna use COC. How the hell am I supposed to get 133 int lol?

If I sacrifice dex my dmg plummets does that mean I have to get it all on Items?

[dawn spire]

most likely yeah

that's the only other place you can get attributes

[muted birch]

Gotcha. So im at 76 now I need 60 more. What can roll High int other than the ammy? My amulet has 36 qith attribute catalyst.

[junior mesa]

Amulet, rings, and most of the armor pieces can also roll +attribute

[dawn spire]

runes can also give int

[junior mesa]

Amulet can roll +all attributes which is hyper efficient

(as long as you need 2+ of the attributes anyway, which you do)

[muted birch]

Can ES Helms get high Int?

[junior mesa]

Yeah

I think potentially up to 30? But I'm not sure on that

[muted birch]

Hmmm. I wanna make the transition to ES/EV helm and chets anyways so that coyld work.

Id still need 30 from somewhere else too.

[junior mesa]

Rings are good options, and Tangletongue gives some int if you're on a spear crit build

Could also use a lower level CoC if you don't mind it being a bit weaker

[muted birch]

Tangletongue destroys my dps. Cuts it by 20k ish

[muted birch]

Im trying to use the lvl 14 brother. Thats as low as it goes

[mint epoch]

How does it destroy your dps tho?

[brittle anvil]

no flat

[junior mesa]

If you're on a crit build, I don't see how it would actually lower your DPS. But I could definitely see it for non-crit or if you don't have the full setup around crits yet

[muted birch]

Im setup around crits tangletongue cut my dps. I cant say exactly what it is but it cuts it in POB by 20k and its very noticeable ingame as well. I cant post a POB link atm.

[junior mesa]

If you don't have CoC, then you're missing the full setup around crits

[muted birch]

I need the int

[junior mesa]

Regardless - rings are probably your best bet for attributes

[muted birch]

I have all the crit nodes

Im just missing coc

And ints the holdback on it

[brittle anvil]

you need flat if you wanna use tangletounge, it has like... 60 damage

[muted birch]

Im also on a semi tight budget so I cant roll out multi Div rings

[junior mesa]

If you only need attributes then you're probably looking more in the 1ex range

Or attributes and some flat

[muted birch]

Idk. Iveb with like better gear than what I have in POB tangletongue was still worse.

[shut vigil]

If you allocated a node to a amulet, can you change it afterwards?

[dawn spire]

unless it's corrupted, yes

[odd charm]

That’s correct I’m using TT. Does convert #% of life cost to mana cost exist? If so if I offset the 10% on my TT will chaos inoc work?

[static torrent]

Conversions like that happen in a single step, so I don't believe it is possible to offset it like that.

[dawn spire]

if you somehow made your skill cost 0, then I think it would be usable with CI

[viral sage]

how much strike range increase from 'unerring impact' node? whats the pro having it increased?

[crisp steeple]

Do you guys think i can level up with whirlwind slash ssf on huntress? Really curious what jungroand played yesterday 😄

[dawn spire]

are you referring to whirling slash or whirlwind lance? I'd wager you can level with both

Though I personally recommend rakestomp until at least act 3

[crisp steeple]

Whirling slash

oh okay i saw that he lvl with it but i watched his stream when he was in a3 cruel and didnt know what he played before that

[dawn spire]

I mean whirling slash will also work, but I don't see how anything could beat rakestomp for act 1 at the very least

[dawn spire]

if you look at your melee weapon it should show its range. I'm not sure if +2 range = +2 meters, but that would be my guess

but that sounds like an insane amount so it might not be right

[static torrent]

I think 1 range is more like 0.1 metre

[dawn spire]

yeah that sounds way more accurate

[serene minnow]

how does "Intense Agony(50% more damage on enemies on full life" interact with ed/contagion combo? if you ED and the 1 enemy gets the bonus, is that transfered via contagion to others or only the first enemy

[dawn spire]

I believe ED (supported by IA) spread via contagion onto an enemy with full life will have the 50% more damage multiplier

well, hmm

this is tricky, because it says contagion spreads and refreshes both itself and other debuffs

but idk if it counts as being inflicted by contagion or by ED

so I'm not 100% sure where the support gem would need to go without testing it

[serene minnow]

yea its a weird one i will trust is doing something for clear lol

[dawn spire]

you might be able to test it by finding two enemies and contagion + EDing one of them and seeing how fast the other one dies with IA on contagion vs ED

[serene minnow]

second one dies faster i think hard to test

i think it works as expected on spread

[dawn spire]

when it's on ED?

well, are you comparing between the support being on ED vs contagion?

because the second one is always going to die faster

since contagion adds 100% more damage for each spread

[serene minnow]

support is on ed hmm thats true contagion damage

going to socket brutality on contagion and see

[dawn spire]

oh, hm, I'm actually not sure if the 100% more damage per spread applies to all debuffs that contagion spreads, or just the damage from contagion, itself

[chilly swan]

Does anyone know how Arctic Armour interacts with something like Unbending? (Recoup damage taken while using the skill)

When the skill is an aura, what is "using the skill"?

[dawn spire]

pretty sure unbending cannot even support arctic armour

[chilly swan]

It definitely lets me

[dawn spire]

that's wild. I don't imagine it would recoup any mana to you

you're not actually using arctic armor, you just activate it and it stays on

[chilly swan]

Yeah, that's why I was confused, lol.

[dawn spire]

and when the damage happens, it's instant so even if it was somehow coded to work, the multiplier scales with cast time*, so a cast time of 0 would mean 0 mana recouped

[chilly swan]

Well, you'd get 8% of damage taken as mana, but, the recoup would be instant if there is 0 cast time, right?

Like, cast time isn't a multiplier, it's how long the recoup takes.

[dawn spire]

No, recoup is over 8 seconds by default. The support gem says you get a higher % of damage recouped as mana the higher your cast time

so a low cast time might give you like 5% recouped as mana over 8 seconds and a high cast time might give you 30% recouped over 8 seconds. I'm pulling the numbers out of my ass but that's the idea

[chilly swan]

Oh, interesting. Sorry, I was reading the bottom part of the gem in-game. Not the description above.

[dawn spire]

oh I missed that part

8% per quarter second =32% per second of cast time

0s cast time = 0% recouped

[chilly swan]

Yeah. That makes sense.

Wow, Unbending is actually pretty good for something like Lightning Conduit O_O

[dawn spire]

I mean, as good as recouping mana at the cost of a support gem can be, sure

but you're still using a support gem just to recoup mana

[chilly swan]

True, but if you're a MoM build, getting to 100% recoup is pretty rough with the 50% less recovery. And, it's kind of fun.

[dawn spire]

what do you mean getting to 100% recoup is rough with MoM? MoM has no impact on the % of damage you can recoup as mana

[chilly swan]

It affects the recovery, so you'd need 200% recoup to actually recoup 100% of damage taken, right?

Unless you get "increased recovery" from elsewhere on the tree

[dawn spire]

oh, yeah, I thought recoup % was capped at 100% though

but that could very well be wrong

yeah, I forgot about hwo good recoup % is with MoM, tbh

and I think I thought it would just halve the recovery rate

but that's just wrong

oh, no

I'm right

it just halves the rate, not the total amount

so yeah, if you want to get the same RATE as without MoM, yeah, you'll need double the recoup %

but you'll still recoup all of it with MoM, it'll just be over 16s instead of 8

it if said something like, "50% less mana recovered" then it would work as you said

[chilly swan]

Does PoB say the same thing? I can't open it right now to test but, I remember testing it and thinking it was halving the actual amount recovered from recoup.

In calcs

[dawn spire]

that's a screenshot from pob

I'll test it

in pob

[chilly swan]

I'm also curious about how recovery rate affects flasks. I thought MoM essentially cut the effectiveness of mana flasks in half.

[queen escarp]

this worked wonders for campaign too i am melting the bosses 😂

[chilly swan]

If you can work in the spell that eats corpses for power charges, I think that's every source of chaos dot you can have. Unless Vine arrows also count.

[queen escarp]

hmm gonna look at it

[chilly swan]

It might not even be worth it if you don't have enough skill effect, that's already a lot to juggle, lol

[dawn spire]

yeah, I can't seem to find a way to force recoup in pob, but I think you're right. Recoup might just be 8s no matter what and MoM doesn't double the duration, but halves the rate

so it's effectively 50% less recovery from flasks and recoup

[queen escarp]

eh 4 buttons is what im at rn 5 if u count shield charge not bad

[chilly swan]

Yeah; I tested in PoB a while back because I made a MoM build and was shocked at how bad my flasks felt. I just couldn't remember what the outcome was other than taking the single node in the passive tree that increases mana recovery

[chilly swan]

I thought 4 or 5 buttons was bad until I switched to controller.

[dawn spire]

yeah, MoM halving the rate is what made me start making a build with just the % damage taken as mana nodes and going hybrid

[chilly swan]

You can reach 100% mana recoup with gear and jewels

[queen escarp]

eh im ex lol player so i dont mind the piano playing

[dawn spire]

you can get a lot more eHP just from the 24% damage taken from mana before life on the tree

[chilly swan]

Yeah, that works too.

[chilly swan]

You do WASD movement too?

[queen escarp]

yuuuup

[chilly swan]

I had trouble juggling wasd, dodge, and hitting the right skills on keyboard. Maybe I just need an mmo mouse though for M4 and M5 flasks

[queen escarp]

i do all normal keybinds except m4 replaced middle click

but ye mmo mouse could help

intresting never seen that before

[shadow zephyr]

Hmmm..... if I put Close Combat on Shield Charge, will Close Combat proc from the point of impact with the monster (point blank) or will it look at where I started using the skill?

Thinking I can put it with momentum for 65% increased damage total instead of concentrated effect and brutality.

[dawn spire]

close combat and momentum are "more" damage, not "increased". "More" is multiplicative with everything. So you'd actually have 1.25 x 1.4 = 1.75 or 75% more damage with both of those, not 65%

[shadow zephyr]

Fair enough, but that still leaves the original question: If I start my shield charge from 5 meters but trigger "impact" at point blank, does close combat still trigger on the impact part of the shield charge skill?

(which would let me also benefit from momentum at the same time)

[dawn spire]

if you are within one meter of an enemy when you hit it with shield charge, it should work

[shadow zephyr]

thank you 🙂

[shadow zephyr]

Last one for the day.

You can socket Devastate (fully break enemy armor on a heavy stun) and exploit weakness (consume fully broken armor more damage) on the same skill.

If I slap them together on boneshatter and hit an enemy primed for stun, what order does everything pop off in?

Best case scenario would be the heavy stun happens, armour is fully broken, and then the shockwave from primed enemy and impact shockwave consumes the fully broken armour for increased damage...

But that's a lot of assumptions, and anything out of order makes it not worth...

[static torrent]

Exploit Weakness prevents the skill from Breaking Armour

So while it may allow you to put both on at the same time, it should also prevent you from actually applying Armour Break.

[shadow zephyr]

Gotcha. Was hoping since the armour break came from the support gem and not the skill itself it'd slide in there 😄

[static torrent]

It's still technically the skill that applies Armour Break, so it shouldn't, but you're free to check, should be relatively quick if you've got Boneshatter and two Uncut Supports.

[shadow zephyr]

I do wish there was some kind of toggleable combat log so you could go through and see how much damage you actually did on impact - my boneshatter tends to make the mobs around me disintegrate like they never existed, so there's no real way for me to figure out whether or not the armor break happened once they died 😄

presumably if they lived it didn't happen and trigger the extra damage, but i'm... not really convinced mobs will live through it anyway LOL

maybe a boss but those can be a bit hectic to try to track down damage from a single hit on

[static torrent]

Grab a super low level Mace and try it out on some slower enemies

[shadow zephyr]

that's a good idea. ty 🙂

[muted birch]

What would we consider a good amount of ES on Helmet?

Shopping for New ES helmet with a like 50 ex budget

[foggy bloom]

Would you please rate my character defenses?
My damage feels ok and I'm looking for more survivability (I want to survive explosions and getting surrounded)

[muted birch]

Can you stack both ES and Evasion?

Thats a huge bump in EHP

[small anvil]

I put my flasks on Q and E. Adjusted to it but it's effective for me. Wasd all the way

[dawn spire]

there are a lot of defenses you can't account for on there. Tactician has like 4 nodes that massively boost your survival.

Then there's flasks, movement speed, spirit gems, curses, ailments you can inflict, crit mitigation, blind, etc.

[foggy bloom]

You mean this one? It's been proved to suck bad, see here:
https://youtu.be/u5-kBu2-t_M?si=COTKoPQ-xaYdlt2t

[dawn spire]

bruh, that enemy is firing two projectiles at once

are you for real?

[foggy bloom]

dunno, I didn't design the game

[dawn spire]

no, the video

it's acting like each throw is one attack

but there are two distinct projectiles

so every "miss" requires them to succeed at two evasion checks

[foggy bloom]

yeah those are the kind of things that I want to protect against, but this class has horrible defences late game (armor and evasion)

[dawn spire]

and your source for that is a misleading video?

[foggy bloom]

did you say anything helpful?

[dawn spire]

I think I did. I said there are a lot of ways to get defense that can't be recorded easily in your character sheet

but how is that related to tactician?

[foggy bloom]

all you did was point at four nodes from the new ascendancy and started to diss on the video

[dawn spire]

Yeah, I tend to diss the spread of misinformation

[foggy bloom]

because the nodes you mentioned are related to tactician

[dawn spire]

I said tactician has four nodes that help with survival

and that is true

four notables, specifically

[foggy bloom]

It isn't misinformation, it's displaying actual testing against actual mobs

do you even play tactician?

[dawn spire]

no, it's displaying incorrect results

That mob is firing two projectiles at once

[foggy bloom]

did you just have an hallucination?

[dawn spire]

but the video is passing off one hit and one evade as a hit

that's what it looks like to me

[foggy bloom]

yeah, and that's with acrobatics + accuracy penalty from 4th ascendancy node

[atomic halo]

having the opportunity to choose any monster in the game and testing with one that fires two projectiles...

[static torrent]

Plus Evasions works off of an entropy system, so it means that getting hit once every two hits is roughly what you should be expecting at 50%

[dawn spire]

Evasion is semi-deterministic in poe2. So if you have 50% evasion you're basically going to get hit every other shot.

So every time a single hit was registered by the video, it was actually one evade + one hit. The evade chance was much closer to 50%

I dissed the video because it's incredibly misleading

[foggy bloom]

the mob actually misses once (both projectiles)

[dawn spire]

Yeah, probably because of the distance penalty if I had to guess

or the mob only landing one of the two projectiles physically on the player

[foggy bloom]

and acrobatics doesn't work

[static torrent]

And that is possible, but still, this isn't the ideal way to test it. A better approach would've been to use an enemy that only fires a single projectile, and see what happens then.

[static torrent]

I can confirm it does, I've evaded AoEs plenty of times with it.

[foggy bloom]

aren't rare and unique mobs the threats worth building against?

[static torrent]

Not all Rares or Uniques fire two projectiles with every attack

[foggy bloom]

I'm pretty sure trash mobs just blow up without landing a hit

[dawn spire]

the red circles are where the projectiles landed during the "miss". It looks like one was evaded and the other just didn't connect with the player

[foggy bloom]

well that mob is pretty OP then

[dawn spire]

my bad, this was the miss shot:

[foggy bloom]

balans

[dawn spire]

firing two slow, easily-dodgable projectiles isn't what I'd call OP, but sure

[foggy bloom]

you didn't say anything really

[dawn spire]

I don't have to. I have nothing to prove here. All I said was that the video was wrong, which it was.

Now do you have any other evidence that stay light use cover has "been proved to suck bad"?

[foggy bloom]

You don't have anything to prove yet you ask me for proof

[dawn spire]

You're the one who came in here claiming that SLUC "has been proved to suck bad". All I did was show why I found the evidence unconvincing

You're making a claim, so the burden of proof is on you

[foggy bloom]

I'm not here to philosophize

Happy witch hunting dawg

[dawn spire]

great, so just stop spreading misinformation and everyone wins

[muted birch]

Ideas?

[foggy bloom]

Yeah the video was probably fake or AI made, take ur meds

[static torrent]

Are you just going to continue ignoring their arguments, no matter what they say?

[dawn spire]

now I'm very concerned. Do you not see why the video was incorrect?

[atomic halo]

everyone knows criticism is witch hunting

[foggy bloom]

they have nothing to prove, I'm wasting my time

[dawn spire]

The one thing I wanted to prove was that the video was misleading, which I think I did

[woven depot]

I don’t really remember the value of ES helms, but if you have PoB installed you can ‘craft’ an ES helm and include other affixes you’re interested in, see how much you can squeeze out while not ignoring other beneficial stuff

[dawn spire]

poe is all about tradeoffs and opportunity costs. So the answer is probably, "as much as you can get until the investment in the helmet could be spent elsewhere to improve your character more efficiently"

[muted birch]

Yea Ill have to have a look later. I was thinking around 200 ish. Then a div or two on a chesplate.

[woven depot]

I have a 150 something ES helm on my chronomancer, I usually don’t care too much about ES on helms unless I’m playing with subterfuge

[muted birch]

Yea im not I do care about the Chestplate though

[woven depot]

body armours the bulk of your raw defensives

[muted birch]

As im running the one Evasion to es node for chestplate

[dawn spire]

yeah, this node makes helmet ES pretty freakin good

[muted birch]

I dont think I could reasonably path to it sadly with my current setuo

[atomic halo]

instill:

[muted birch]

Err

Was gonna do Overwhelming strike

[woven depot]

(Instilling defensively is yucky)

[muted birch]

Id have to look at the DMG Loss vs gain.

In survivability

[woven depot]

just go strugglescream and do it all

[muted birch]

Also. Math wise is it more beneficial to have a ES/EV chestplate or full EV with the evasion to ES node?

Or is heavily passive/setup dependent?

[woven depot]

absolutely no clue

depends on your passive tree ig

everything has an opportunity cost

[keen pagoda]

Anyone know of a good merc tactician build?

[muted birch]

Well. At this moment not going for any Defensive nodes other than the one EV to ES one.

Now

This is subject to change depending on hwo things go

Rn im pure Evasion Amazon and Have only died to Some form of Tick Damage. And the chimera guys 1 shot attacks.

[woven depot]

I’m generally against full evasion since it’s a semi-deterministic system, even at cap you will get hit, and since life as a stat is quite scarce I want some ES to soak the damage that will inevitably hit me

[muted birch]

I agree

Tbb

I just gotta test numbers.

Maybe reevaluate my setup some

[woven depot]

Finding balance in your defensive layers is key 🙏

[muted birch]

On Gemling last season before I quit I ha dlike 15k EHP 🤣

My biggest struggle is gearing tbh

I have a Hard time finding gear thats good for my build and that isnt super expensive.

[weak rain]

where would you put against the darkness for a gemling galvanic shards build?

[willow lotus]

should i have acrobatics active ? im using sorc with Energy shield, so evasion doesn't really affect me

[muted birch]

Thats not how acrobatics works

It makes it so with Evasion you can evade ALL hirs

Without evasion Rating it does nothing

Afaik

[willow lotus]

ah ok i see

it evades more than projectiles and hits, got it

[muted birch]

If sork afaik i think MOM and just stacking ES is still good

Fkr survivability that is

[willow lotus]

now i see why lightning spear works with both attack and spell dmg. it's classed as a projectile, not an attack

and projectile can be both

[muted birch]

Alright so do we have any setup suggestions other than just better gear? Passive tree chnages that sorta thing? Build changing stuffs welcom as well I just wanna keep using LS. Open to basically any suggestions

https://poe2.ninja/pob/81de

Gonna go coc once i get enough int hopefully

[gleaming kite]

the accuracy roll on your spear make me cry

also the iron runes

[muted birch]

This spear was free

What runes shpuld I put in it?

Lightning ones?

[gleaming kite]

none because it belongs in the buyback window

https://i.imgur.com/G8LsR53.png

with that ascendancy node you want as much accuracy on your weapon as possible

[muted birch]

Ahhhh I see

[gleaming kite]

runes included

[muted birch]

[gleaming kite]

even a scuffed spear with 450+ accuracy can't be more than a few exalt

add 1 or 2 vision runes for additional 110

[muted birch]

If you can give me list with all the changes Ill go through and do so in the morning

Feedback is huge

I would know but im nkt able to use my PC

[gleaming kite]

im not seeing anything else glaring tbh, i think just upgrading your spear to 450+ acc you will see a huge jump in damage

[muted birch]

Also with the Evasion to ES. Would a hybrid Chest be better than pure Evasion?

Do you thinn subterfuge is viable on my tree?

I was thinking about it and it seemed like alkt of points

[gleaming kite]

it's doable

i think https://i.imgur.com/43KKOTS.png would be better

[muted birch]

Any other notable things on Spear? Just flat fighting and high physical? Plus accuracy.

[gleaming kite]

your chest piece is 💋

[muted birch]

Thats what im gonna get

[muted birch]

Sarcasm?

[gleaming kite]

no 1800 evasion is sick

[muted birch]

Oh lol

[gleaming kite]

i want that lmao

[muted birch]

I was going for more but it got expensive

Im on a 200-300 ex budget atm

[gleaming kite]

most builds i have seen are not running hybrid chest just pure evasion

if you can get a nice ES helmet and subterfuge mask AND spectral ward, that would be optimal

[muted birch]

I plan on getting an ES helmet

I Stil need like 60 int from somewhere to get to use COC

[gleaming kite]

if it were me i'd take away from the crit nodes in deadly force and use those points to pick up the energy shield stuff

[muted birch]

Those nodes are alot of dmg

[gleaming kite]

falcon dive and cooked, could drop those

death from afar, that's an easy drop tbh

[muted birch]

Id have to take a look in POB to see.

Why?

Everything is further than 6m

[gleaming kite]

its just not a lot of damage

[muted birch]

Your prob right tbh

[gleaming kite]

you will have to give something up somewhere ya know

[muted birch]

Yea you right

Ill take note of all of this and go through in the morning and have a look and see what I can/cant drop.

The one max lightning node was like a 8k jump

[lethal bear]

whats better in a late game cold staff? "60% more spell damage" or an actual "24% more damage as cold" ?

[atomic halo]

you're using quotation marks but neither quote is correct

that is very dangerous in a game where wording is very, very important

[lethal bear]

i talking about runes

[atomic halo]

still wrong wording

[lethal bear]

ok then what runes do i put in this?

[atomic halo]

whatever pob says is the most dps

i can't calculate damage changes with different runes without knowldge of every item and passive and skill on your build

if i were to guess, "Gain 12% of Damage as Cold Damage" would be best

[lethal bear]

i have all the damage node for cold and elemental damage already, adding more % with whats on the staff is what makes me wonder.. i never used pob sadly

and yeah i dont use crit otherwise i would use crit damage

[atomic halo]

use it if you want a definitive answer, it's just math at the end of the day

or you can check tooltip, which should be mostly accurate in this context

of course that would waste some runes

[muted birch]

Pob?

[atomic halo]

yeah i suggested that above

[muted birch]

I see now woops

[atomic halo]

i just want to point out here that it doesn't say "60% more Spell Damage", but "60% increased Spell Damage". this is really important because 60% more spell damage is way better than 60% increased spell damage.

[lethal bear]

yeah i know bad wording, more is added at the end of all

[atomic halo]

and the other one is gained as, it's not more or increased

[lethal bear]

well im gonna try find whats best, ty anyway haha

[viral sage]

can witch class perform well without any use of summoning skill?

only use damaging spell

[atomic halo]

yes

you can do anything you set your mind to, and that's a perfectly reasonable thing to try to do

[warm yoke]

can anyone link a video or a screenshot of how to config POB for lightning spear? thanks

[small anvil]

Depends what you want to do, I made a lich using bonecage, very fun build. Map clearing on par with LS

[gusty barn]

Easily

[sly lava]

how to anoint essence of the mountain on amulet?

[dawn spire]

Hold alt over the node to see which three emotions are needed to anoint it, right-click an actual emotion item in your inventory to bring up the anoint interface, then put in the amulet and the three emotions

[opaque sparrow]

What's an effective way to consume shock on crossbow deadeye? If there is one? 🤔

[viral sage]

are there ailment that can synergyze with bow snipe skill?

[idle goblet]

Not sure, but i think there is a support gem that consume shock with hits

[gleaming kite]

bleed or poison

[opaque sparrow]

There was, shock siphon. Its not in game anymore 😔

[idle goblet]

I think there is a support causing a pulse if hits a shocked/ignited enemy

[gleaming kite]

it only support spells

elemental discharge

[idle goblet]

Oh, yep, that one

Ty

[muted birch]

So Now if I put accuiracy runes in these the spewar I have right naNow the massive spear is better These dont actaull have the runes.

@gleaming kite

[opaque sparrow]

Best to worst? 🤔 still in cruel act 3

[woven depot]

generally I’d suspect the +4 proj would be stronger in most cases

[small anvil]

Huntress amazon? The accuracy could be more dps on that ascendency, otherwise the massive spear does appear to be better because of the element % boost

[small anvil]

I just look at tooltip numbers, I typically go with what it says. That +4 would definitely boost dps though

[dawn spire]

Freeze is nice because you can freeze a tough enemy with other skills and have them immobile so you can charge a perfect snipe in peace

[dawn spire]

How tf did you get three crossbows all named "X Core" lmao

[chilly swan]

Does anyone know what ways there are to increase aura magnitude? I see about 38% inc magnitude on the tree. With Titan that goes up to about 48%. Are there other sources?

[inland pelican]

How does Eternal Youth change ES Recharge modifiers?

like this one, @me please

[muted birch]

With the Accuracy runes the massive spear is significantly better.

[dawn spire]

It doesn't work for either of those.

Shimmering refers to ES recovery rate, which doesn't count since it doesn't specify recharge.

Immaterial doesn't work either since your es never recharges

Well, Shimmering would work for your life flask restoring ES, actually

But neither of those nodes have es recharge modifiers

One is es recovery rate and the other is an effect that occurs if es recharge has happened in the past 2 seconds

[muted birch]

Is there a Way for POB to tell me the best stats to ha e on my rings and stuff?

[dawn spire]

Not that I know of. It might be possible to add functionality to pob to tell you which specific mod on any one piece of gear would be the best, but it doesn't exist at the moment. And for the best mods, computing thousands, if not tens of thousands, of mod combinations would be too intensive for it to be worth it for most people. And then that's also just for one specific setup of skills and passives

[muted birch]

Hmm. POBs "Best in Slot" gear is complete shit lol

Im trying to find a semi sensible way to Calc whats the best for dmg on my rings and spear.

[dawn spire]

I didn't know it had a best in slot button

[muted birch]

Trade for these items

Then it can find BIS

But it seems like complete shit to me

[dawn spire]

What are "these items"?

[muted birch]

What do you mean?

[dawn spire]

When you say "these items" in your last message, what do you mean, specifically?

[muted birch]

Thats the the name of the button in pob

[dawn spire]

Oh, it just searches the trade site?

No extra parameters?

Does it have a way to set a budget or anything?

[muted birch]

Yea it does

But it seems very inconsistent

And very shitty

You can set to search for dps or dmg resistance that kinda thing

[compact tulip]

would this work?

[dawn spire]

Work in what way?

It would be as if all your minions were wearing that amulet and conveying that bonus to all allies near them

[compact tulip]

would the buff from the amulet stack

[dawn spire]

It wouldn't stack

Buffs from the same source or same name don't stack. And the source is that amulet, even if multiple minions are technically wearing it

[muted birch]

Have you seen the trade thing?

[dawn spire]

Nope, I haven't played a trade league in poe for like five years

[muted birch]

How do people play Non trade?

That sounds sooo unfun

[dawn spire]

It's the same as trade league but no trading

[muted birch]

The idea of RNG completely controlling my character progress makes me cringe

[dawn spire]

I abhor trading, some people love it. To each their own

Rng does not have to control your progress

[muted birch]

Do you not get stiffed? Like oh need X then boom you get terrible rolls. And the. Your out of currency.

[dawn spire]

If you get your mind set on one specific build that must be played in one specific way with specific items, then you're setting yourself up to fail in ssf

Sometimes I roll down and don't get anything, yeah, but I never do that if my build cannot function without said item. I never vaal my only good weapon, for instance

[muted birch]

I see Yea.

Thats def not for me.

[dawn spire]

I personally dislike the idea that the optimal play is to always be doing the highest currency/hour strat and just buying your upgrades. Playing ssf means I need to engage with all the systems in order to access all the avenues to upgrade my character.

It also creates really fun moments where I find/make an insane item for a build I'm not currently playing and it inspires me to theorycraft a whole new one. That's the best part

Also the trading system is just really awful to engage with sometimes. Whispering people, not responding, getting whispers when you don't want to, etc

Not my cuppa tea

[muted birch]

Idk I dont see it. I just see things that look kewl and say ah fuck it ill try that.

The idea of my also playing solo kills ny enjoyment. As this game isnt very fun without playing with people. In fact thats why I quit playing last season.

[dawn spire]

Yeah, that's valid. To each their own

[muted birch]

Does Lightning Spear scale best with flat lightning or physical?

[dawn spire]

Depends on what damage type(s) you're scaling. It converts 80-100% of phys to lightning so they're pretty much identical. Only difference is if you somehow have global %inc phys damage mods, then phys gains a small amount of value more than lightning

[muted birch]

Most of my stuffs lightning. This is the old POB Before my new helmet and Swapping to accuracy runes on weapon.

https://poe2.ninja/pob/81de

[dawn spire]

Unless you've royally messed up and have taken a significant amount of %increased global physical damage on the tree and such, flat physical and flat lightning scale identically with lightning spear

[muted birch]

I see Yea my whole trees crit basically. So id want either lightning or Physical. But prob lightning as it can roll higher than phys eh?

[dawn spire]

I would look at average damage rather than higher top end value

[open gulch]

This is big upgrade or look for something bigger?

[muted birch]

Average hit?

[dawn spire]

(Min + max) /2

[muted birch]

I just look at all the numbers in POB if they go Up im cooking

[dawn spire]

It's an 8.6% upgrade. You'd have to check other items and compare their costs and benefits to see which one is the best bang for your buck

[muted birch]

Wrong guy

[open gulch]

I mean, this upgrade cost me 1 DIV, other upgrade cost more than 1 div.

[muted birch]

This was for Byron lol.

What add the average dmg to my combined in POB the. Diviide by 2?

I normally just look at all the numbers and they all seem to increase at roughly the same rate.

[open gulch]

Can we somehow calculate how much +1 skill is worth in spell damage?

[midnight obsidian]

in pob yes

[dawn spire]

No, I thought you were comparing items themselves. If you were comparing, say, 10-15 phys vs 1-20 lightning, the phys would win because it has an average of 12.5 and the lightning has an average of 10.5

[muted birch]

Oh so as long as dmg go up in POB im good right?

Also what do you consider a Good upgrade 4k plus dmg?

[dawn spire]

Yeah, pob isn't perfect but it's the best estimate we have for dps.

To me, personally? It depends on how much dps I already have. As a hcssf player that hasn't made it to deep end game, I'd be stoked to find a jewelers orb for a 4th support

[muted birch]

Hmm. I know deep enggame on my level 95 Gemling I was down to basically every upgrade being like 1000 or so

Especially since atm Im not able to press currency liwk before. I dont wanna drop heaps for something that imma replace the next day.

[chilly echo]

My first time in the PoE2 endgame im following a maxroll guide but not sure what i should for my next upgrade

https://poe2.ninja/profile/character/z2rmt83mlc6q/ZeroSixteen-1657/ZeroS_ixteen

[muted birch]

Imo main priority should be trying to get your 3rd ascendancy.

Those should be a large power jumo

[solar nest]

Hey, how does Waistgate interact with Ambrosia support?

[gleaming kite]

assuming it doesn't work if you have 2 life flasks equipped and it should draw from both mana flasks if you have two

[edgy maple]

can anyone tell me, what is a good spear to start mapping with ? my amazon is around level 67 i wanna switch from crossbow to lightning spear.

seems like i have to balance pdps with having high crit 10+ and accuracy?

but it goes from 10ex to 3 divine pretty quick

so, am i ok doing like a 80-150 pdps spear with 10% crit, 400 accuracy and 1.6 attacks or would that be total trash?

[gleaming kite]

seems fine

i personally think chasing crit on amazons anywhere but the ascendancy is a waste

seaglass spears have an innate 10% base crit chance

[muted birch]

How so? How could someone afford a Good Sea Glass Spear?

[gleaming kite]

https://i.imgur.com/jhBsBRx.png

[gleaming kite]

that looks fine to get started yeah

[edgy maple]

this one is 100ex, worth it?

[gleaming kite]

ehhh

100 ex for that?

[edgy maple]

yeah i got like 1000 ex

[muted birch]

That wpuld be significantly worse than what I have already brother

[gleaming kite]

jygg i am just giving exmaples of cheap scuffed gear that is fine to get started with

[muted birch]

Oh

Ive gotta spear hunt.

[gleaming kite]

i think its a little pricey for what level you are because you can upgrade again at 75

at the end of the day though it's your wallet :3

[muted birch]

What Seglass base then rock accuracy on it then flat phys/lightning?

Projectile skills maybe?

[gleaming kite]

for lightning spear yeah

[muted birch]

Whast like the perfect spear?

[gleaming kite]

accuracy, flat phy, projectile skills

[muted birch]

Unrealistic godroll

[gleaming kite]

i dont know

[muted birch]

Rip

[junior mesa]

It would be +5% crit, accuracy, flat damage, +level of proj skills, and probably attack speed

High rolls on all of those ofc

[muted birch]

Sick ty

[gleaming kite]

crit damage is probably better on amazon

[muted birch]

Mana cost on proj would be brutal

[gleaming kite]

https://i.imgur.com/N6CnCuz.png

[junior mesa]

Yeah could definitely see crit damage

[muted birch]

Im OOMing with a lvl 19 LS

[junior mesa]

That's a low accuracy roll on that spear

I'm not sure it's worth a mirror

[muted birch]

Yea i dont think so either

[gleaming kite]

i dont either but thats the market for ya

[muted birch]

Do we think crit dmg is good on spear?

[gleaming kite]

higher phys dps is selling for waaaay higher than high accuracy rolls

not sure why or if rigged

[junior mesa]

Yeah crit damage is good on spear. Not sure if it's optimal but it's one of the top tier mods

[muted birch]

Accuracy js goof obv but hig phys is going to nef more dps.

At lessy ib my case it did. It was a similar spesr to what i have now but with lower pbys and it hurt my dmg alot.

[muted birch]

I wonder how the crit dmg on spear is calcd

[gleaming kite]

accuracy gets added to the physical

[junior mesa]

Accuracy is phys DPS, though

[muted birch]

Ill have yk look

[gleaming kite]

you have to look at both together not just one

[junior mesa]

I guess non-amazons can't really use an accuracy roll

[gleaming kite]

yeah

im spoiled by it

all other crit builds seem like pure doo doo

[muted birch]

It had 100 less phys than mine but cut my dps by 8k

[muted birch]

All these spears suck bro lmao

I cant seem to find a good seaglass one with decent stats that dont suck

[midnight obsidian]

because they're being used and not sold

[muted birch]

Guess imma have to settle for a not a sea glass one

[midnight obsidian]

you can also check a few that have vision runes that you can convert into iron in pob/manually

[muted birch]

Im acatully doing the oposoit I want the vison runes

[chilly echo]

got my 4th ascend any suggestions for next?

[muted birch]

Other than sea glasss are there any other standout spear bases?

[muted birch]

Im not super familiar with witch lol. Just generaly 3rd and 4th ascendacies are pretty large power jumps

[midnight obsidian]

seaglass is just so far above others in terms of base crit

[muted birch]

Seaglass clearly isnt an option as good ones dont exist on the store.

[icy mural]

Anyone out here play Bannerbot tactician?

[median wharf]

does blind do anything to enemies at melee range if i have no evasion?

[gleaming kite]

it's still 20% less accuracy, there are also some support gems that interact off blind

[junior mesa]

Seaglass effectively comes with an implicit +5% crit chance, so the base is automatically worth much more even with a couple wasted mods. Massive is okay, and pronged can also be alright, but usually Amazon wants near 100% crit so it's Tangletongue or a hella good Seaglass rare

[junior mesa]

No unless you have some interaction with blind (i.e., increased damage to blinded). It also makes it easier to hit them, which isn't relevant in melee range

[median wharf]

thanks for confirming

[uneven flower]

why cant i flick bosses? it attacks once and stops
should i not spend power charges on charged staff?

[gleaming kite]

https://i.imgur.com/Go3dNH1.png

[pearl sluice]

so I am trying to do an unarmed run, is there no way to use fist abilities but also have herald of blood from bleeding?

it says I need a martial weapon for it

[inland pelican]

https://poe2.ninja/profile/character/poglefj31k6r/KioDota-2544/Kio_Huntress
Is there anything you'd upgrade next? Looking for steps below ~30 divines each ^^

3 charms could be nice I guess, found that unique chaos charm last night :D

[true dove]

FINALLY DID IT

[muted birch]

T4 Xesht?

[median wharf]

Crown and scepter?

I would get a 2 socket tangletongue if i were u

[median wharf]

Yeah u can tell from the hp

[inland pelican]

Nah, not for amazon

[median wharf]

Pob doesnt display crit forking correctly, it does more damage than ur current spear

[inland pelican]

I don't think I care much about the forking aspect

[median wharf]

Ur mistaking crit forking and forking

[inland pelican]

crit chance is neat, but all the flat damage / elemental bonus would be sacrificed

[median wharf]

Read crit forking

[inland pelican]

as in twice critical?

[median wharf]

Yes

Its literally double what ur crit damage is applying

[inland pelican]

does the in-game dps display improvements correctly then?

[median wharf]

Nop

[inland pelican]

😅

[median wharf]

Thats y its confusing most people

But amazon with tangletongue is so good

Especially if u have a 2 socket 19%+ crit chance

[inland pelican]

I have some like that and tested them before tbh

didn't feel better at all and, well some numbers might have thrown me off ^^

we need some damage numbers on enemies / test dummies in hideout etc. anything

[median wharf]

Only thing u can test on is xesht 😂

[inland pelican]

aight, I guess I'll time and record some runs later for more data

[median wharf]

That aside, y crown with scepter

I dont think i saw any spell damage on ya

[inland pelican]

yeah ... just some on jewel / passive tree

can't really change my amulet like so... lots of other changes would be necessary

[median wharf]

Yeah u are missing a lot of stats from amulet

[inland pelican]

I mean I can put more spirit on SF, no problem. Res / Defences with and without the amulet

I can work around losing the spirit and lightning res for now quite well, and would increase dps

could always just go CI too, I guess

spell damage and +levels on amulet perhaps

[foggy bloom]

what's the best place/map to hunt for companions?

[true dove]

yea

[static wagon]

i love doing galvanic/shockburt rounds, but witch hunter isnt the best. what would be the best class?

[muted birch]

Sick you have a POB link i can look at?

[inland pelican]

@median wharf :D

[odd charm]

Does anyone know if there’s a way to use chaos inoc and tangletongue ?

[chilly swan]

I'm starting a snipe build and noticed that there's no explosion when snipe pierces, which suggests that I'm losing damage with pierce because I lose the guaranteed crit. Is this also the case with things like chain and fork?

[foggy bloom]

Just started maps and I founc this. Should I try right away or wait until a certain tier waystone?

[median wharf]

U can sell those maps for currency, 12 chaos a slot iirc

Just juice the gold and quantity with nearby towers

[true dove]

https://poe2.ninja/pob/846d here ya go

[willow lotus]

https://poe2.ninja/profile/character/19xr7j5cuj0ud/Kalizy-4138/Fyirnen it's becoming impossible to survive now. what should i change in this build ? I keep getting slapped instantly

i tried using potions for the shield, but bleeds kill me way too fast

[muted birch]

Have you tried using Dmg taken from manan before HP jewels or MOM?

[muted birch]

Would this not be better k. Gemling? Considering the Qaulity Bonus. Thank you as well!

Also uour resistances are bad

Those should be Hug priorty to get up

[true dove]

my boots has the rest of my resistances, i just swap to the unique to 1 shot boss. my normal map gear has 100% rarity and max resistances but half the dps

[rigid kayak]

any1 here down to hop in a vc and help me figure out why my build is so ass?

[muted birch]

Um woops that wasnt for you💀

[muted birch]

Your resistances are bad that shoudl survivability alot.

[muted birch]

Sling a pob link

[rigid kayak]

https://poe2.ninja/pob/8494

mid gear but i have a low ish budget

[muted birch]

Imo your Es is to low atm to run chaos inoc

[rigid kayak]

its more an issue of i cant even kill a group of whites in a t1 map

[muted birch]

Your Staff and rings arent good

Tbf

They suck

Ill be very honest XD

[rigid kayak]

they were like 10ex tbh

[muted birch]

Your damage setup seems very odd.

Your going Crit?

[rigid kayak]

kinda trying

[muted birch]

You also have a SHITLOAD of pathing for like Minimal passive

You have like 12 just attributes before even one dmg passive.

And ALOT just stats

Navigating theae on mobile is pain.

[rigid kayak]

srry lol

[muted birch]

I asked for it lol

Id go through and try and think of better pathing. As you pathing here doesnt seem great. You can always look at builds for ideas which is what I do.

There are Heaps of Gemling Flicker builds you cna have a look at for inspiration

I cant give super in depth advice but Gemling is prob going to be my next character.

[shadow zephyr]

so when I make a share link with maxroll it doesn't fill in the passive skill tree... is that a normal bug for maxroll?

[muted birch]

Use POE ninja or whatever

Think maxroll is bugged rn

[normal apex]

notable skill nodes can't be set for weapon sets, can they?

[atomic halo]

they can, just that keystones and jewel sockets cannot

unless you mean keystone when you say notable

[normal apex]

giant's blood for example

i don't know the exact term for those nodes

[median wharf]

thats a keystone

[atomic halo]

that's a keystone, you can't allocate those on weapon swap

keystone = very big, huge upside and huge downside

notable = something like 30% increased melee damage, medium size

[normal apex]

and within the same topic....

was the weapon "lock" to use it on both sets implemented?

if so how it is done on console?

[atomic halo]

not yet no

was supposed to be in 0.2.0 but they didnt get it out in time

[normal apex]

ok... so i need 3 maces then xD

[median wharf]

ahh welcome to warrior end game

[normal apex]

well... i'm in act 2 cruel

can't wait to get the 3rd set of ascendancy points and get that juicy 20% strenght

[median wharf]

tbh i wouldnt worry about 3 maces till very end game

u can get by very fine with 2 maces

[muted birch]

How many div we think this would cost? Thinking of trying something similar.

https://youtu.be/P9FghkA7Hwk?si=13EaWaATuAV_8vVz

[pearl sluice]

I am looking to scale unarmed abilities, I took the only nodes for unarmed it was very few. What stats should I be focusing on besides quality and levels? I am trying to figure out what passive nodes and stats will actually scale the damage of Hand of Chayula, Staggering Palm, Killing Palm, Shattering Palm

[atomic halo]

you dont probably

not enough support in the game

it's not like any of the skills you mentioned deal any signicant amounts of damage

so the only reason you could possibly want to go unarmed instead of armed would be for that one cluster at monk, but that's obviously not worth it

[viral sage]

what other skills that can guarantee a critical hit like bow snipe and mace sunder?

[median wharf]

ngl if u exlude the rarity rolls, it looks fairly cheap

[atomic halo]

nebuloch but it's not a skill

[pearl sluice]

challenge accepted

[muted birch]

His from nothing is like 11 div lol

I want to play a lich as ive neve even played a witch

[median wharf]

I mean its lich, the jewels are expensive, gear wise it looks cheap

[muted birch]

I have 11 div at the moment.

By the time I gear my Amazon probably around 5 or 6?

[median wharf]

The pob doesnt show his lich ascendancy sapphire, its safe to say that will be another 10+ divs

[muted birch]

What saphire?

[median wharf]

They have one in their class

[muted birch]

Ohhh

[muted birch]

Maybe i won't be doing this yet then

[median wharf]

A good one goes for 20ish

Yeah plus streamer effect, its not worth it

[muted birch]

Back to the drawing board ty lol

Guess flicker Gemling is next then

[median wharf]

Safe to say any build being talked about gets expensive quick😂

[muted birch]

When I was doing my Gemling kast season I watched the price of stat breach rings quadruple in like a week

[median wharf]

Even the warrior build i was working on, when i started i got maces i need for like 5 divs, now similar maces are 10ish and upgrades are 15+ for me

The reddit post i made asking for advice got like 4.2k views unexpectedly 😂😂

[muted birch]

Yea lol. Thank god my Amazon ia pretty cheap

[median wharf]

Yeah most lowend meta builds are cheap tbh

[viral sage]

https://www.poe2wiki.net/wiki/Fiery_Death the part "This effect doesn't propagate itself", what does it means?

[junior mesa]

It says right there on that page; just read the rest of the sentence

[viral sage]

hmm..does it mean i have to hit each enemy to have the chance to get the effect?

[junior mesa]

It means that only ignites applied directly by you can explode, and not enemies ignited by an explosion

It's so you can't go infinite

[pearl sluice]

for gemling lets say I am using a skill that is dex based, if I get the +level of all skills and then take the ascendancy highest level attribute works for all abilities, will it give me +2 for those abilities?

[atomic halo]

no

just because your attribute can satisfy its req

doesnt make it actually of that type

[pearl sluice]

Tysm was just curious

[ruby turret]

how do i clear a PoB warning from showing up from a different PoB save?

i make a new build and the warning is just there

dude... what the fuck?

count get to 0, i try again:

serious what the hell is wrong with PoB now?

[bright quiver]

Is boneshatter warrior still a usable build? Is there a best website for poe2 builds?

[north jackal]

Hey guys, i'm attempting to make a 'Chaos Stormweaver' around 'Original Sin' ringy, so far i`m lvl 79 adn just cleared T12 without any issues. My next goal is to try get as much mana regen as i can and prolly get MoM or not depends on mana cost which will be really high once i get a +3 proj amu and lvl 20 gems. Also planning to set up my weapon swap in order to buff 'Despear' a bit more, so hoping to get some ideas/advises
https://poe2.ninja/pob/8512

[idle goblet]

If you still didnt get em there are some magnitude/duration/size/faster curses nodes right close to your tree. I liked that boost on conductivity

[vagrant nacelle]

hi guys
i planning to do this build https://youtu.be/v6LLq9V7D44?si=YO_QmM4HxadBxtB7 but there is one thing i dont really understand. In his pob he has whirling slash equipped two times each with different support gems. How does that even work and why does he do it?

https://mobalytics.gg/poe-2/profile/4acc974d-3a47-456b-9df5-3a8d4f0dd496/builds/c1564cd4-aacd-4041-8336-2511c5f671c2?weaponSet=set1#how-it-plays-1
his pob

[viral sage]

are there advantages using 1h mace over 2h for warrior?

[median wharf]

Yeah it is, im using it rn

https://poe2.ninja/pob/8427

[median wharf]

Less str req? But yeah its bad dont do that

[viral sage]

in term of dps? are there special property that only 1h mace can do? 😅

[median wharf]

Unless u mean uniques, then nah not rly

[viral sage]

so GGG only made 1h mace for campaign then it become useless later? or it meant for other class?

[brittle anvil]

dex-stacking 1h mace build

(I just made that up)

[median wharf]

I mean it helpped me a lot in campaign 🫣

Before taking giant blood ofc

[brittle anvil]

or dual wield maybe?

[median wharf]

U can dual wield 2hands

Thats peak performance

+14 skill

[bright quiver]

I was kinda thinking about looking at poe2ninja and looking at the highest leveled highest dps builds for warriors. Would it better to instead just look up leveling builds?

[median wharf]

I mean if u have a sense of what you like, i would suggest selectively searching by skill/gear on poe ninja. If you have no clue, i would suggest looking at guides that fully showcase the build from mapping to bossing that feature their pob and the cost of their items

Good maces are very expensive, and i fell into a trap before settling on the build i have now

[bright quiver]

I filtered by levels 90-100 then sorted by dps. So looks like almost all are Smith of Kitava and Hammer of the Gods. So I could maybe reverse engineer it to find leveling/endgame build guides for that?

[harsh sorrel]

Does this make sense to anyone or am I missing something? Does this mean you have to be level 48 to use the staff or that's when it drops?

nvm, literally says "requires"

So, just confused by the guide.

[median wharf]

I would becareful with hammer of the gods, thats the trap i fell into before. They nerfed it beyond comprehension, stunning a boss/pinnacle boss is very difficult

[bright quiver]

So is that not the best way to sort these/look for an endgame build? These are the highest DPS warriors this season according to the site.

So like the high dps doesn’t matter cause it’s not THAT high and the stun thing it was trying to do is no longer viable?

[median wharf]

Not rly, dps number is kinda misrepresented, for example i set up my sunder to hit about 7.5mil per cast, but sheet dps says 73k

[bright quiver]

Ok that’s great to know. So I should disregard that #

[median wharf]

Not sure what u mean by stun thing tho, so when mapping i prime for stun with leapslam and then bone shatter, but bossing i armour break and use cry buffed sunder

[bright quiver]

Maybe I’m too early in the game then, I’m like level 20 on my first char so trying to wrap my arms around what I’m building towards

I might’ve just gotten leap slam so maybe it’ll start coming together

[median wharf]

My biggest suggestion would be to try out every skill, and learn the interactions. For example if i use armour breaker then my sunder is guaranteed to crit. Allowing me to not need any crit chance and focus on crit damage instead

[median wharf]

Use it with overpower and brink, cuz u dont want ur leap slam to stun things, u want to see that lightbulb and pop it with boneshatter

[bright quiver]

And why are almost all the builds smith of kitava?

[median wharf]

Its new to this league, i for one like the simplicity of gearing it

[bright quiver]

Idk the differences, how do you mean?

[median wharf]

Its good to read over the ascendancy points that most people use, simply put u just gotta focus on fire and chaos res

Like this 😂 u max out ele res super easy

[muted birch]

This was why i chose Smith as a 2nd character. Its just so much slower for blasting maps in my experience.

Also looking to be a bit of a currency sink gear wisem

[median wharf]

Yup, to me its just a completely different game style than amazon

Literally like playing a different game

[muted birch]

I looked at the resistance but sin the ascendancy and it had me sold. The biggest PITA Endgame is resistances.

I havent played Warrior enough to gauge it atm. But my first thoughts is it feels slow and kinda weak compared to my Amazon.

[median wharf]

Its combo gameplay

Like league start yeah i picked amazon to be more efficient, now its like i dont mind the slowed down version

[muted birch]

I do think warrior was fun just so inefficient. Especially since im just starting and am poor💀

[static torrent]

Warrior can be quite fast and efficient, as far as early game goes. It was the fastest in the races prior to 0.2, and most skills had been buffed in 0.2

And I've seen some higher level gameplay where they destroy stuff without too much trouble as well, though probably not as quickly as Lightning Spear can, since that skill (with Volt, anyway) is a massive outlier at the moment

[median wharf]

I think this has to do with other classes’s starting skills being bad

Warrior has access to their end game skills early

Rolling slam/boneshatter are both being used at end game too

[muted birch]

I hated rolling slam so mu h

[median wharf]

😂its strong, a great socket option for totem

[quartz cairn]

So, I'm loooking at a lot of the gemling legionnaire builds-- they're taking nodes like Spellhaste and Spellblade which increase spell damage with melee, and cast speed but there are no spell skills in the build that are tagged- are they taking these solely for extra Against the Darkness damage? Example: https://poe2.ninja/builds/dawn/character/qw101023-9234/iciclestinger?i=4&search=class%3DGemling%2BLegionnaire

[open gulch]

Which lvling build for monk would be great? I want play flicker as a my main build

[quartz cairn]

Probably be better off leveling with lightning spear or lightning arrow than any actual monk ability, at least for a while

[marble steppe]

How do you increase dps on eartquake skill? also any chances of making it to detonate imediatly?

[quartz cairn]

Or I guess, there aren't really monk abilities. I'd recommend Bow/Xbow monk

[quartz cairn]

Near at Hand node/wheel on tree, and Fast Forward support gem will speed up the detonation, dont think itll be instant though

[marble steppe]

Im trying to build mjolrin build. But guess wihtout it is struggle until u can equip it

[marble steppe]

Can someone explain why I got 3rd ring slot on titan? WT*

[stark kestrel]

I'm thinking of a low life build without hp regen (converted to ES regen) so I really need to avoid bleeding and poison as much as possible without picking up CI. Does anybody know the formula for ailment application chance (bleed and poison)? I have no idea how effective the ailment threshold nodes actually are. Based on the tree there are nodes that affect bleed/poison chance. Since there are both plain ailment threshold nodes and elemental ailment threshold nodes.

[median wharf]

I dont think bleed gets u as long as u have es, as for poison, prob charms

[jade hull]

You can bleed even if you had es the whole time now, it was a bug that was corrected

[static torrent]

It wasn't a bug, it was just a design decision they reconsidered.

[jade hull]

Ah ok

[median wharf]

Must have missed that update

But i have the unique bleed charm 🫣 havent had problem with bleed at all

[jade hull]

Low life Lich don't have a problem with bleed and poison as well, but the original question must be for another ascendancy 😅

[stark kestrel]

Yeah titan without regen; ligurium amulet converting it to ES regen. Kinda want to try it with pain attunement and some other low life regen nodes. But without regen bleed and poison would be annoying...

[winter lotus]

So I'm leveling up a spark sorceress. This is build I find the most fun to play so far. Before I go any further with it though, is it viable in the end game?

[median wharf]

Tough with mana regen in the end game

Bloodmage is usually the preferred choice now

[winter lotus]

@median wharf ok thanks

[halcyon nacelle]

Does rage work on spells like spark or arc?

[steady breach]

rage increases attack damage

spells do spell damage not attack damage

[marble steppe]

Hiw do you equip mjolnir hammer? That bloody bastard show me I need 400 str and 312 int 🤦

[tired hornet]

Playing an Incinerate pathfinder. It works pretty well, but when going into harder stuff like juiced T17-18 or T4 Simulacrum, I keep getting stunned despite a pretty high stun threshold. Is there a way to make it better in that regard or is it doomed?

[muted birch]

This is going to sound like terrible advice but hear me out. Is there a way to kills things even faster? Before they reach you? I know it sounds dumb but that truly helped me heaps last season on the pre nerf Simus.

[tired hornet]

So yeah that would be the thing. I could certainly increase my DPS a bit, at the cost of stun threshold I guess. I doubt however that I could go above 16-17k Incinerate (which doesn't tell you much) without investing 150+ Divs

Also will it actually oneshot everything, probably not

Also most of the stuns come from ranged stuff (like axe throwers and the weird spiny guys), which massively outrange incinerate even with AoE size buffs

I was thinking about stacking three of the best possible stone charms, would that work?

[muted birch]

I dont think they stack. Dont qoute me on thism

[muted birch]

Yea thats valid.

[tired hornet]

I'll try charm stacking just to confirm

Feels like if you're not one shotting beyond your screen you can't hope to achieve much in this season

[muted birch]

Last season I struggled alor with stuns.

Then I started usi g crazy builds and changing them so i just screenwipe everything.

Funny enough doing the same thing this season with Lightning spear.

[muted birch]

I also believe some enemies just do more stun dmg. (Dont qoute me on this either)

[dawn spire]

Physical damage is better at stunning if that's what you mean

[rain pendant]

Any recommendations for what a Lightning Arrow Deadeye could do with 35 more Spirit? I'm thinking about swapping out a ring that will result in slightly less DPS but +35 Spirit. I have Rhoa Mount, Herald of Thunder, Wind Dancer, and Ghost Shroud already... The next persistent spirit buff might be Alchemist's Boon, which just gives me .23 flask charges per second, and I'm not sure that's worth it. I could pick up Combat Frenzy to start accruing frenzy charges, but I don't have much use for frenzy charges -- and support gems for that one just cost most Spirit that I won't have.

Any ideas?

[midnight obsidian]

a banner maybe for bossing

[rain pendant]

Hmm. I'd have to boost my strength for that, but maybe.

[median wharf]

Or drop ghost dance for blasphemy

[rain pendant]

I don't even know about Blasphemy. I'll have to look it up in a bit.

[median wharf]

U can socket in temporal chains or enfeeble for some safety

[rain pendant]

Interesting. Reserves 60 Spirit per socketed curse. So right, I'd have to drop Ghost Shroud or Wind Dancer. Hmm.

I also only have 119 Int, so I'd have to run Blasphemy at a much lower level.

[junior mesa]

WD is a worse defensive layer than GS in most builds

(most builds that are going to run GS, anyway)

[median wharf]

Oh no howa?

[rain pendant]

No, I'm using HoWA.

[median wharf]

Gotta pump that number up my guy

[rain pendant]

287 dex. Dex build Deadeye, not Int.

[median wharf]

Doesnt hurt to get some int 👀

[rain pendant]

Well, sure. lol. More is always better. But there are only so many attributes to go around.

[median wharf]

But yeah its some ez damage mitigation

Safer simulacrum too

Also more incentive to balance ur stats for a curse cut off

[rain pendant]

Yeah. Thanks for the idea about it. I'm looking at how I might be able to arrange it now. I don't know if it's worth sacrificing one of my existing buffs for it though, since I'd have to run it around level 10 or something.

[cloud pebble]

Hey, I can help you with this if you still have questions. I've been playing Whirling Slash for weeks now.

TLDR: You have a starter and a primary. The primary absorbs the properties of the one you use first, which is why it's stacked with AOE gems. And then the Whirling Slash absorbs the properties of your Incinerate, including the buffs that it had when it was absorbed into your Whirling Slash.

It's braindead to use, but tricky to grasp and set up.

Basically, for some reason, if you equip 2 separate Whirling Slashes, because of the way the skill has 3 stages, the effects of the one you cast as stage 1 will spill into the other you cast the 2nd and 3rd time. This only works for a maximum of 2 Whirling Slashes, using a 3rd or more doesn't do the same thing (as far as we know).

This is because Whirling Slash has some dynamics that can be snapshotted for some reason. Some supports/stats can be snapshotted, some can't. If you need further clarification on what that means, there's other places that can explain snapshotting better.

The reason you equip 2 is that for the secondary one, you use supports that buff the AOE, and one of those supports gives a huge AOE buff but gives Whirling Slash a cooldown.

The cooldown penalty does not spill over into the other equipped Whirling Slash, but the massive AOE buff does.

The one without the cooldown is your primary Whirling Slash. You spam it to move and attack. So that's why that one uses Martial Tempo (and Bullseye if you're accuracy stacking). You equip that one with active supports as opposed to passive supports if that makes sense.

You start off your combo by using the "passive" Whirling Slash with the AOE buffs and the cooldown, and then you only need to use the other one. Like, once the cooldown comes back around, using it again won't buff the area more AFAIK for stage 2 and 3. The buffs of the first one apply to the second only once.

This snapshotting dynamic also applies to some things you use to imbue the Whirling Slash with elemental effects.

Outside of the general cold/lightning/fire imbuement dynamic, I don't know how anything works with it outside of Incinerate because that is so powerful, especially with certain other synergies like Blackflame, that no one has really needed to seek an alternative

The trick is: You're only using Whirling Slash as a stat-stick vehicle to apply Incinerate, because Whirling Slash absorbs all the buffed properties of the Incinerate that you light up Whirling Slash with.

On the passive tree, you invest in spell damage, ailment/ignite magnitude and fire/elemental damage as much as you can with your caster weapon loadout. And on your spear loadout, you invest in defense, attack speed, and attack area.

Attack damage as a stat is useless, especially because ailment/ignite magnitude is multiplicative damage.

[inland pelican]

how do you generate a good amount of endurance or power charges, constantly?

[rigid kayak]

how does soulless form/eternal life work with chaos inoc?

would the 10% bypass just mean you die all the time no matter what or would the eternal life stop that from happening

then the mana regen too. since you have 1 life at all times the mana regen would be so bad right

[clever citrus]

Any current builds that allow for a passive aura build style? Love the thought of just walking around and htings dying around me

Im trying to make it a passive AOE damage build

[shadow zephyr]

There's two main methods:

1: Magma Barrier - generates an endurance charge every time you trigger a magma spray.

2: Break Endurance support gem - generates an endurance charge 40% of the time when you fully break an enemy's armour. ---> Goes good on resonating shield for aoe armour breaks and endurance charges, and it overlaps with magma barrier that way. It also works pretty well in armour breaker, or a poison skill with corrosion/plague burst/armour explosion, if you're looking for a way around a shield (you can force this interaction on a skill that doesn't poison by adding envenom/taking poison passives).

[viral sage]

im still clueless how dmg conversion works..example this gem https://poe2db.tw/us/Armour_Explosion

can i increase the explosion dmg?

if i create a build with it..do i pick the physical dmg or fire dmg node?

[atomic halo]

fire

it deals fire

so you need modifiers to fire damage

[viscid sail]

oi... who has done a str/int type build before?

want to make a witch but like... heavy armor, beeg damage.. but can cast spells... or would that be better for warrior with int?

[atomic halo]

almost nobody, partially because the str/int classes dont exist, partially because armour is in a poor state right now

there was what, ember fusilade titan?

but i dont remember if that was str/int or just pure int

yeah i looked up ember fusilade titan and it just goes pure int

[viral sage]

https://poe2db.tw/us/Cruel_Methods do this passive will add to the physical dmg first before converting to fire dmg for armor explosion gem?

[atomic halo]

first convert

then apply these modifiers

any global increased or more modifiers will apply post-conversion

so,

[atomic halo]

no

[viral sage]

dayum..im almost at 800 hrs and no wonder my build pretty bad sometimes..im wrong all this time 🤣

[viscid sail]

whats the benefit of using a focus instead of a scepter? or why use a focus at all? they dont do anything... 🤔

scepters at least make zombies...scepters dont give you anything

[viral sage]

forgot to ask..does aoe passive node can increase the explosion radius?

[viscid sail]

no reason to build around this? cause it uses str and int.. but the things are for totems

[atomic halo]

they have es

and they roll all sorts of good offensive mods

sceptres mostly only roll stuff tht benefits your allies/minions

[atomic halo]

dont focus on the attr too much

if you're not going to stack tons, it only matters for attr req

and you can choose what you get on the tree anyway

[viscid sail]

is it a good one? it dropped as i played warrior... but it has 3 slots and i never seen that before.

[atomic halo]

not good in current meta

and it has three sockets because of corruption outcome

can add +1 socket ignoring cap

[obtuse nova]

For merch galvanic shard build, in act 2 there's alot of lightning resistance..... which skill is best to use? Fragmentation rounds?

[wraith palm]

any memers wanna look at a hand of chayula build

see what other nonsense is probably good to min max it some more

[toxic beacon]

Hi @all i search for someone who have the knowledge about a ThunderLeapSlam Warrior,who can help me with some question to make a 2. WeaponSet with Shild and Weapon for pinacleBosses/MapBosses for more tankiness

[dawn spire]

Yes, global "increased area of effect" works for every area you have except presence.

[dawn spire]

You still use whatever skill you're building around. Get lightning penetration in the tree or use conductivity curse if it's a tough mob

[idle goblet]

What could be some good support gems for my CoS triggered Lightning Conduit and Arc ?

[rigid kayak]

Went to sleep after asking this but still would like to know

[dawn spire]

Eternal life would stop you from dying, yes, but you'd have no base mana regen

[dawn spire]

Controlled destruction (if not crit based), the one that increases energy generation, lightning exposure, zenith if you have 90%+ mana at all times

[idle goblet]

nope my mana handling sucks, still. I'm already using the ones for energy gen/retention. I'm using lighting exposure on BL. So Controlled Destruction , i'm using it on LW rn, but i could switch. Ty

Do you mean for lightning conduit or for Arc btw ? for Conduit i spose ?

And for Arc ? What about chain ? It halves its damage, but it can be somehow rebalanced by gem quality. And the point of Arc vs shocked enemy is more the pulse than the hit.

[dawn spire]

I assumed they were both in one CoS setup

If mana is an issue, inspiration might be worth it

[dawn spire]

Chain support will lower the explosion damage as well as the beam damage

I would not put chain on anything unless it's specifically for clearing/hitting lots of mobs

[idle goblet]

Its not an issue enough for inspiration, but i'm more under 50% than over 90%

[idle goblet]

Nope, double CoS. Weird mabbe but i'm loving it (Mc)

[idle goblet]

Ok, no way then

[idle goblet]

What about the support "spell chan from shocked targets" instead ?

I'm not really sure how it works , would it keep chaining untill it hits shocked mobs ?

I saw some pretty long chains using it, but I never know if it triggered twice (it trigger pretty fast)

Actually i'm not really sure how chain works, does it hits every mob just once, or its just unable to chain back to the mob it chained from ?

[dawn spire]

Storm chain would work, yeah. It would keep chaining until it hit a non-shocked enemy or ran out of available targets. I don't think a beam can chain back to something that was previously hit by the ability

[idle goblet]

I tought the same really, bit sometime i see some weird long chains on 3 enemies....but that cud be 2 Arcs triggering

[celest tartan]

Hello, im trying to make a crit poisonburst arrow build but how do people get near 100% crit chance on hit? i took all the crit chance nodes on PoB but the tooltip says i have 13%chance to land a crit, any help or advice to get near 100% crit chance?

https://poe2.ninja/pob/8689

[queen escarp]

Chronomancer for grenades would that work well ?, In my head it sounds good 😄

[rigid kayak]

https://poe2.ninja/pob/868c
ssf lich skill tree plan, could i make it more efficient/better?

[dawn spire]

Yes. If you can deal with grenade mechanics in general, it slaps

[dawn spire]

What weapon are you using in pob?

[queen escarp]

Niceee

[dawn spire]

I was filling the screen with death, but aiming grenades and the insane visual/audio spam was too much for me. Couldn't stand playing it

[dawn spire]

Never plan a tree out to level 100 imo

[queen escarp]

ah i see yea i mean im going chronomancer so can easy respec too something else

[dawn spire]

Yeah I can't think of a build that chrono doesn't work for

Aside from builds that need a specific ascendancy skill

[rigid kayak]

i kinda know the order i wanna path to nodes anyway so planing it for lvl 100 doesnt change much

[queen escarp]

yea i remember last league i saw a hammer of god spam build with it haha dont think that works anymore tho

[dawn spire]

Also I can't tell how to make a tree more efficient without knowing your build

I'm guessing just standard chaos dot?

[rigid kayak]

yeah

[dawn spire]

Looks fine to me. How are you applying curses?

[rigid kayak]

to be figured out

probably blasphemy i think it is tho

[dawn spire]

If you're doing blasphemy then the impending doom branch is useless for you

[rigid kayak]

true

[dawn spire]

Personally, as a hcssf player, I'd go double curse on the lich tree, use blasphemy with temp chains, and cast despair manually. Link despair to decaying hex and it'll spread via contagion AND add another dot for dark effigy. And it'll have way more magnitude. I'd drop the "more damage but spells cost es" node if you go that route

Or, if you can stomach the delay, use whispers of doom keystone for a second curse and manually cast despair with double delay

You'd keep impending doom in either case

[copper summit]

if u have 100% critical chances, does cast on critical "energy"scales with pure damage or attack speed, cast speed?

[rigid kayak]

more dmg but es costs is the ascendany node right

[dawn spire]

It depends on what you're critting with. The energy gained scales with your damage and how often you crit.

So if you're using an attack to crit and generate energy, then it scales with attack speed and damage. If a spell, then cast speed and damage

[copper summit]

so going 4 attack speed or spells per second won't help

it's an average of damage

[idle goblet]

the double curse means you can apply 2 different curses ? Or you could apply the same one twice by blasphemy and "manual" curse ?

[lilac hinge]

@copper summit this item: https://poe2db.tw/us/Redblade_Banner would 2x energy generation

[dawn spire]

Two different curses. Enemies can only have one copy of the same curse at a time. The stronger one always applies

[idle goblet]

Doh

[dawn spire]

No, that's not what I said. The damage you deal when you crit gives you energy based on the damage. But also critting more often would give you more energy gains per second. It scales with both speed AND damage

[idle goblet]

Mai na gioia

[dawn spire]

This is false. Power has nothing to do with energy gained from cast on crit. It scales with enemy ailment threshold which is not tied to power.

I think you're conflating warcry power and cast on crit

[static torrent]

It does specify that Energy is gained per Power of enemies

[dawn spire]

Oh shit

I missed that

My b

[static torrent]

This is why I double check everything before I say it, just in case xd

[dawn spire]

I literally looked it up on Poe2db I just can't read

[idle goblet]

I tough tha was the same for every CastOnSumething ?

[dawn spire]

Yeah it is, I just goofed

[celest tartan]

a bow, im playing poison archer pathfinder but im lacking in damage, so i decided to try a crit build how do u reach 100% crit? or build crit?

[dawn spire]

I meant what mods are on the bow? Base crit chance comes from your weapon if you're using attack skills

Base crit on weapon + as much crit chance as you can find on the tree/other gear

Only having 13.45% crit chance seems like you have a weapon with like 5% base crit