2┃build-planning

[static plinth]

With massively less investment

[broken scroll]

True, actually should be able to get 85% chance if im calculating correct

because of corrupt + quality

and support gem

Anyway, i was just messing around with charm/ritualist and saw the gains you could get via charm procs. Kinda neat still, i mean that way also nets a ton of endurance/frenzy charges as well

but is a huge investment

could apply the same concept to also mass generate frenzy charges

just use 2 frenzy charms instead of power charms

and 1 rage fire charm

helment and necklace arent really needed, but it makes things smoother. The chest and gloves are though

neck gives +1 to each charge gained, and helmet self inflicts damage to proc charms before flicker

infact, you could also skip the chest too if you dont want to use charms. Really just need the gloves, can max rage with just 2 melee hits

so... the gloves + Morior seems interesting now lol

[tropic onyx]

hmm so im doing a perfect strike build and im curious if i get the normal body armor now at first ascendency or do i wait till i have 4 points to spend

[broken scroll]

dont know if i want to respec my merc tho lol... my merc is my main busted build I use to fund my wack theory crafts

may have to relevel another merc

[broken scroll]

for smith i goofed around with cast fire spell on hit

was loads of fun in campaign

[dire cave]

this is wrong default range is 4 meters

[broken scroll]

but HCSSF? id do resists lol

[tropic onyx]

hmm okay! because i dont understand how the normal armor one will be good

but i wanted to try something new other than just always going titan

[broken scroll]

well if youre HCSSF, the normal armor could be a good way to get max fire resists and +75 fire resist

[static plinth]

Hateforge gives me conniptions when it doesnt give you the right kind of charge

[broken scroll]

trade u can just buy belt

[static plinth]

I mean if you dont use it, dont use smith lol

[broken scroll]

Yeah its annoying, but the charm shit i did makes it give so many charges lol

[tropic onyx]

but doesnt normal armor usually have only base stats and nothing else?

[dire cave]

first point for normal body armor is free so you get 2 mods on body armour on first ascend

[static plinth]

Yes, corrupt it for 3 rune slots or 2 and an enchant though

[dire cave]

which makes it realy good for leveling since you can get 2 elemental resists +75%

[tropic onyx]

ohh i dont have corruption im on first ascendency

[broken scroll]

yeah but the early game resist gains for SSF with it is nuts

id do first 2 in fire rez contributes to cold/lightning

and then next 2 in armor

[dire cave]

endgame you can get body armour with regen 2.5% of max life per second implicit

[broken scroll]

but i dont do HCSSF so.. take my opinion with a grain of salt lol

[dire cave]

and I believe corruption works aswell

[tropic onyx]

so i shouldnt take it since i dont have corruption unlocked yet

[broken scroll]

I am just trying so hard to find a way to make ritualist infinite charm charge do something build defining

but thats proven difficult lol

[dire cave]

if you want to be safe get the resist first

[tropic onyx]

okay!

[dire cave]

and get normal body armour later

[broken scroll]

^

[dire cave]

but then again some things require personal experimentation

[broken scroll]

id do normal body armor 2nd, unless you have tons of fire rez by 2nd asc, then go for the final res nodes

can make rez out with unnatural resilience and the nodes by prism guard

[dire cave]

fire res is not difficult to aquire

[static plinth]

Personally id full-send body armour with max life and lightning res

Since Jamanra is coming up

[tropic onyx]

im just worried since i have no good normal armors

[broken scroll]

true, hard to think about in terms of hcssf, but yeah, normal body armor will give diversity, can respec to fit your needs

[dire cave]

any base will do if its on level

[broken scroll]

can even do fire res, and respec to normal for boss, etc

the fucking fox tailsmen are not cheap

need 5 XD

[static plinth]

painge

[broken scroll]

i have 20d tho

[midnight obsidian]

only charm build I've seen is just beiras ignite

[static plinth]

At least you can resell

[broken scroll]

yeah, i know, i did it, just boring to me.

[tropic onyx]

okayy ill try it then, im just used to wearing good chestplates with alot of max health and strength rolls

[broken scroll]

but the focus is doing it with ritualist

[dire cave]

you can get max health on ascend +1 75% elemental resist

[midnight obsidian]

the other "unique" thing charms do is generate charges but you need something that eats them up quickly and you don't have infuse weapons on ritualist

[dire cave]

smith is realy good outside of ssf aswell since you dont need to spend money on an expensive chest

[dire cave]

ritualist doesnt have infuse weapons

[tropic onyx]

so basically i can always sell good chestplates on ssf and now i dont have to worry except for looking for better normals?

[dire cave]

that is the whole point of smith yes

[tropic onyx]

okayy cool!

[dire cave]

most people spend 2 ascends on body armour and 2 on max fire res

you get 15% fire res per small node

so free 30%

with a total of 200% uncapped fire you should reach 80% all res

maybe 85%

the only problem I'd say smith has is only endgame bases show up normal on loot filters

idk bout during campaign

anyone got suggestions for saurian servant minion supports?

[tropic onyx]

yeahh i sadly had to go fire res, i dont have any normal chestpieces yet and im not gonna look for one naked lol

[dire cave]

makes sense

you'd get fire res as 2nd ascend anyways if u got body armour on first

[tropic onyx]

i never knew what smith did i kinda just wanted it because i didnt like the other two with what im going for

[dire cave]

smith is by far the best defensive ascendancy in the game (do not listen to cooleen the infernalist groupie :)))

[tropic onyx]

i see i see, im going for a tanky ignite magnitude build with perfect strike

[dire cave]

then yeah I can see smith being right up your alley

I'm more of a super slam fan

going by mace skills

[tropic onyx]

i see i see makes sense u have more map clear, i map clear pretty slow with perfect strike

nvm i found a really good wave clear lol

[dire cave]

sunder?

[tropic onyx]

uhh no i use leap slam then i boneshatter

i dont have sunder unlocked yet thats not till act 3

[dire cave]

ah typical boneshatter

have the cannot reach 100% stun support on leap slam

[tropic onyx]

uhh i have 50 percent stun build up and magnified on it

[dire cave]

preventing leap slam to fully stun an enemy means you get to use boneshatter more often for faster clear

[sacred pelican]

does PoB damage numbers account for ele pen. coming from beacon of azis?

[tropic onyx]

yeahh ill do that too, rn im debating whether to get critical nodes, or keep going for area of effect and ignite duration/magnitude

[dire cave]

I'll be honest idk

personally I dont do crit on maces

[tropic onyx]

theres just soo many nodes i could take

[dire cave]

indeed

[dire cave]

check configuration

[tropic onyx]

im thinking impair,lasting trauma,devastation,bolstering yell than skullcrusher then getting a few defensive nodes

[dire cave]

I dont know many of the mace supports

[tropic onyx]

but like fulmination and overheating blow sounds really good...

[tropic onyx]

no no these are nodes on the passive tree sorry

im just planning my build path on the tree rn

but so many ones sound so good lol

[dire cave]

defence is priority tho

specially in hcssf

[tropic onyx]

as of defense nodes i have sturdy metal and relentless havent gotten more yet

[dire cave]

get heavy armour

if u can

and idk if ur planning on using a shield

[tropic onyx]

yeahh i have shield and mace but i dont really block

i just use the shield for shield slam since it does alot of damage

[dire cave]

you get 2 good block clusters nearby tho

unstoppable barrier and vigilance

[tropic onyx]

oh yeah i was gonna go there

its right next to fulmination and overheating blow i need

[dire cave]

hell if you want you can get hunker down and towering shield aswell

[tropic onyx]

but i dont know where unstoppable barrier is still lookin for that

oh nvm i passed it already

but with block chance i have to manually block right?

[dire cave]

block chance is passive block

[tropic onyx]

oh what

[dire cave]

u dont need block chance if you are actively blocking

[tropic onyx]

i been avoiding block chance nodes thinking it meant active blocking is better

[dire cave]

Lmao

[tropic onyx]

then i definitely have the perfect path made rn

[dire cave]

perfect doesnt exist

[tropic onyx]

because that one long strip of attributes has alot of nodes i need for dps and tankiness

[tropic onyx]

true but for now i think its pretty good for my build

[dire cave]

typical warrior gameplay

so many defensive nodes nearby it aint even funny

[tropic onyx]

i hate going across the entire tree for like one node on other builds

[dire cave]

makes me wonder what they gunna do with marauder

[tropic onyx]

anyways thank you! ima get some sleep and continue tomorrow

[dire cave]

I aint gunna play hcssf till I am done testing what I wanna test

[dire cave]

gn

[tropic onyx]

fair enough!, this is the first arpg where its made me think of multiple solutions for one issue with the passive tree, compared to other arpgs where i can kinda slap whatever on and beat it in hc

oh i replied the wrong text lol

that was for ur hcssf comment

[dire cave]

lmao

poe 1 is more complex imo for stupid reasons

[hollow bronze]

Could somebody help me with scaling my spark/ coc damage

[dire cave]

how good are minions at bossing?

[zealous bison]

Does anyone know if Fresh Clip remains active after weapon swapping and then switching back?

[sacred pelican]

where can I see the possible enchants if I were to vaal Beacon of Azis? couldn't find it on poe2db

[north heart]

Are there any warrior maxroll guides I can follow? Like bone shatter ones or ones that take down pinnacle bosses easily

[north pivot]

Just learned today that Temper Weapon from Smith of Kitava, hits the hammer faster the more cast speed you have

[pearl sluice]

do the numbers matter for the timeless jewels

[static torrent]

The number is the seed used to determine what the notables in the radius are changed to. The name determines what Keystones are transformed into.

[pearl sluice]

That seems daunting

is there a way to see what nodes it could be?

[static torrent]

There's a way to see all possible notables (and the three keystones) on poe2db, but there's currently nothing that would allow you to see what it would do to notables in a specific part of the tree without socketing it in and finding out yourself.

The list on poe2db, since I mentioned it: https://poe2db.tw/us/Heroic_Tragedy#TimelessJewelPassive

[pearl sluice]

tysm

[hollow bronze]

Do you have any experience or information on how I can scale my spark/coc buikd I feel I'm stuck at this DPS ATM

[static torrent]

Not really my area of expertise, I'm afraid.

[dire cave]

any good ways to convert physical to an element?

not including skill gem conversion

[north heart]

With smith of kitava, can I have floating spear or

[dire cave]

you have a copy of your martial weapon as a minion

so I would assume so yeah

[kindred kayak]

Does anyone mind build theory crafting with me?

[dawn spire]

Why do you want to convert to an element? There are a few ways I know of. Avatar of fire is the first one that jumps to mind.

[dawn spire]

That's what this channel is for. Start a thread or just start theorizing

[dawn spire]

Main scaling comes from your weapon(s), supports, and, in some cases, spirit gems. Archmage was the go-to method in 0.1. Mama tempest is also pretty strong. Those just require a lot of mana to make work

Your tree is also pretty important, especially for CoC builds

[kindred kayak]

So I am thinking an infernalist Witch using GloomGown, deathrattle, with AOE prescence increase and thorns.

So the idea would be to kill with thorns to proc an AOE ignite, with a Cast o ignite “detonate dead”

[dawn spire]

Spark CoC seems like a strange thing to do CoC with. Spark has a fairly low base crit chance.

[kindred kayak]

There is also a node that give a mini version of detonate ead % chance

Based off of your AoE presence

So in essence it would be a chain reaction of detonations and ignites

[hollow bronze]

asend makes it have 15% base and i have 100% crit atm

[hollow bronze]

https://pobb.in/6_LTP9goV18H atm

[kindred kayak]

Opinions of the build idea

You need higher resistences

[viral sage]

how does gemling totem/ballista build works during campaign? is it meant for endgame only?

[brittle anvil]

works quite well, since it scales off gem level

[dawn spire]

What is gloomgown?

[dawn spire]

Main issue is that it's a tier 9 gem but once you get it it's definitely usable

[kindred kayak]

Gloom gown increases your ES recharge time to essentially be instantaneous, but you gotta wait 10 seconds. Desth rattle overrides that 10second wait by making your ES recharge on kill for a 20% chance

[dawn spire]

Oh, gloAmgown

So how are you igniting with thorns?

Oh, infernalist. Duh

But that won't proc cast on ignite

[viral sage]

does the totem/ballista build also heavily rely on weapon with increased skill lvl too to make it work efficiently?

[dawn spire]

Cast on ignite only gains energy when you ignite with a hit from a skill

[dawn spire]

Increased skill level and %inc ele damage with weapons are pretty much the only two stats on a crossbow that benefit artillery ballista

So yeah, levels are the most important stat

[willow lotus]

is comet able to be casted on minion death ?

[dawn spire]

Also I think the area of the explosions is independent of your presence area. The presence area just raises the distance the corpse can be from you and still explode

[viral sage]

i see..do u think they only took the totem nodes in warrior tree during respec in endgame?

[dawn spire]

Yes

[dawn spire]

I have no idea how they leveled. Totem nodes seem like one of the best ways to scale ballistae

[viral sage]

i was struggling with final act 2 boss coz i mostly took the totem nodes without increased attack dmg nodes even tho i dont have +skill lvl on weapon.. 😅

[pearl sluice]

for increased mana cost of skills, that is a negative right? Like I am not misreading it? So you are getting increased mana at the costs of everything going up? That does not seem worth if it is.

[dawn spire]

%inc mana is an incredibly rare stat to get. There are also some instances where having higher mana costs is an upside

Also your base mana regen is a % of your max mana, so %inc max mana is a multiplier on your mana regen rate

[pearl sluice]

ah ok

[dawn spire]

I think there might be less than 50% inc max mana if you get everything you possibly can in the whole game

They gutted almost every source of it in 0.2

[pearl sluice]

rip

[dawn spire]

Mana stacking was insanely strong

[pearl sluice]

idk I never played any of the mana stackers but a bit bored and trying out some new stuff

good to know, tysm

[dawn spire]

They didn't really nerf many of the payoffs of stacking mana aside from archmage and eldritch battery, but those are still good. It's just a lot harder to get tons of mana now. Int, eldritch battery, and infernalist seem like the best ways

[idle goblet]

i always tought it was the number of hit making spark a candidate for CoC, never tried so its just a guess.

[dawn spire]

The energy gained from CoC is a product of enemy power, your hits per second, damage per hit, and crit chance

[idle goblet]

yep, so actually doubling the hits its like doubling the damage or doubling the crit chance ?

[dawn spire]

Kinda yeah. They scale relatively equally

[idle goblet]

But with spark you should be able to do a toons of hits. I mean, it depends on the layout of the zone too ofc, but my 0.1 Spark was spraying and ungodly amount of sparks

[dawn spire]

Yeah they basically halved the projectiles from spark

In 0.2

[idle goblet]

Yeah, i felt it 😦

[dawn spire]

But it's still a lot of hits

[idle goblet]

btw, LW is more fun

[dawn spire]

Ha, yeah, it's a wild ride

[hollow bronze]

i was gfoiung to ask what that ernery gain thing is and what its for tbh. does it increase the cap of the enrtgy stroage then realses it?

[idle goblet]

nope

[dawn spire]

CoC ball lightning and lightning warp = "We have flicker strike at home"

[idle goblet]

I'm trying to do a fake flicker strike LW buld

[dawn spire]

It's explained pretty well in the text of any cast on X spirit gem

[idle goblet]

but maybe with ingite, as you said.

[idle goblet]

The "increased Energy Gain" stats just makes your skill gain more energy when you Shock/Crit/Freeze an enemy. When your energy reaches the cap it casts the slotted spell/s

There is a support gem, i forgot the name of, that increases the max energy storage for invocation spells (like energy invocation) but i don't think it works for CoC/CoS .... does it ?

[willow lotus]

forgot to respond, but i meant in the sense of it being spammable

[hollow bronze]

imPETUS?

[idle goblet]

nope, impetus increased the energy gained

[hollow bronze]

or something else maybe

[idle goblet]

by 30% i think ? can't remember

[willow lotus]

saw builds with 3 stacks on CoMD comets and i wanted to double check if it was nerfed in any way

[idle goblet]

so if you'd gain 10 energy, you'd get 13 with impetus slotted

So it should take about 30% less hits to reach the energy cap and cast the slotted spells

honestly i'm not sure, impetus is a 30% bonus on your energy gain percentace ? Or is it summed to your energy gain percentace ? 😐

[hollow bronze]

it increases it from 70% tp 110%* someth8ing like thi

like that

i think

[dawn spire]

I'm not sure what you mean by spammable. It entirely depends on how much energy you can gain per second

[willow lotus]

spammable as in able to fill the energy meters efficiently without resorting to support gems

[idle goblet]

ok, yep, something like that

[dawn spire]

CoC/CoS are not invocations, so if it specifies invocation skills they would not apply

[idle goblet]

Yep, but i dont remember what it says the tooltip

it should be only for invocation

doesnt make much sense for Meta ones

[dawn spire]

I don't know what you mean by efficiently lmao. They grant the energy they say on the gem. I think you'd have to watch a video or try it yourself to see if it meets your standards

It also varies based on the minions and how reliably you can kill them. There are lots of ways to do it

[willow lotus]

i'm going with raging spirits

[dawn spire]

I've heard some people cooking with spectres of the Terra cotta soldiers that only cost 10 spirit each

But raging spirits seems good too I imagine

[viral sage]

hmm..based on passive heatmap in poe ninja..the ballista main start with def nodes and straight to warrior tree area..what build they going for early on before getting the ballista skill? 😅

[dawn spire]

Idk what they do, but I'd go rake + stomping ground + brutality and take only str nodes until you get artillery ballista, then respec

[willow lotus]

cast on minion death is not charging with the raging spirit :/

did they nerf this or something ?

[proper sapphire]

is quality on belts a thing without corrupting?

[north pivot]

Does accuracy / chance to hit 100% important in Gas Grenade if all you are doing is scaling the poison damage?

i.e enemies die to DoT and not the explosion / hit.

[ornate anvil]

no, its not a hit

if its inside the aoe, its being poisoned

unless youre amazon and you spec into the accuracy -> crit/phys damage

[north pivot]

so i can skip Resolute Tech / accuracy?

[chilly swan]

Crit applies to the dot?

[ornate anvil]

poison is based on hit damage

if the hit crits, its more damage

higher pool for the 20% from phys/chaos

gas grenade/gas arrow does not hit but poisons as a hit

it can crit too

[north pivot]

so for example, this guy has 82% chance to hit but is clearing T15s easily with this: https://pobb.in/326KoIK9AxdA

at least that's what his video shows / pob linked

[chilly swan]

That makes sense. It's odd to think that you could have a 0% chance to hit, with a 100% crit chance, and the crit would still apply to the gas released at the end of the fuse.

[north pivot]

well that guy above's crit chance is 7.13%

hence why i am asking how is it possible

[ornate anvil]

how what is possible

[north pivot]

clearing T15s and boss with such low accuracy on Gas Gren

if the hit damage is what is important

[ornate anvil]

my guy didnt i just say gas grenade is not a hit

[chilly swan]

The "hit damage" determines the dot damage, regardless of whether it actually hits

[ornate anvil]

if its in the aoe its poison

gas grenade doesnt care for accuracy

[north pivot]

ok thanks for clarifying both 🙂

[chilly swan]

It's similar to if you had a skill that says, "Create burning ground that deals 50% of attack damage"

[north pivot]

ah ok

[chilly swan]

@ornate anvil Do you know if the cloud actually applies a poison stack to the enemy? Or does it just deal poison damage while the enemy is in the cloud?

[ornate anvil]

one stack per cloud

infinite duration while the poison cloud lasts and enemy is inside

takes your poison duration as soon as the enemy leaves

[chilly swan]

Sometimes I wish PoE had answers to these obscure mechanics in-game somewhere.

[north pivot]

if only

[chilly swan]

I guess the answer is "test it"

[north pivot]

Does PoB2 auto-recommend the highest/best option damage support like it does in PoB1?

[chilly swan]

The one that got me was Whirling Assault: I asked on here how many hits it can do per second, and someone from GGG responded that it's 17 hits, but, you can't hit the same target twice in a row, so theoretically on a large boss you could hit them 9 times during the duration of whirling assault.

[chilly swan]

You can get it to, but, just like PoB1, it is a guess, and everything needs to be configured correctly.

[north pivot]

understood.

[chilly swan]

There's also some gems that just don't work / calculate correctly.

[kindred kayak]

So even my ascendacy ignition wouldnt count towards it?

I guess that build idea is DOA

[dawn spire]

Your ascendancy ignition? What do you mean? The "everything contributes to ignite chance and magnitude" node? If so, then that will apply to your thorns from what I can tell, but nothing you ignite with thorns will generate energy for cast on ignite

[kindred kayak]

Is there a way then to get an cast on to proc in any way

Like crot maybe?

Crit*

[dawn spire]

Cast on crit only builds energy when you crit with a skill

[kindred kayak]

darn

[stiff hinge]

QUESTION:
If I use coming calamity, then curse+expose an enemy, is its resistance being deducted from 0?

[dawn spire]

The cast on melee stuff also requires a melee hit/kill, but thorns is not melee.

I don't see a way to trigger any cast on X skills with thorns hits

[dawn spire]

No, the chest overrides all modifiers to resistances and forces them to become 0

[kindred kayak]

So i would have to utilize the mini detonate dead node

[dawn spire]

If you went that route, yeah. Lich has curse pops, witchhunter has on-death explosions. But then you lose the ignite I suppose.

You could go infernalist and use that unique that makes your Ignites spread

[chilly swan]

I've been refining a Whirling Assault, Staggering Palm, Volcanic Eruption build and, so far it feels pretty good going through campaign but, I'm worried about survivability in the endgame. Do builds work if they aren't picking up any survivability nodes on the tree?

Like, can I get by on just gear to keep me alive in the end game? (SSF btw. Not HC)

[kindred kayak]

Thats true i could make ignites spreD

[dawn spire]

Not realistically, no. But there are always exceptions.

Builds measure survival in what are referred to as "defensive layers". Typically the more layers you have, the less often you'll die.

Some common layers are armor, evasion, energy shield, high max resistances, or a high life pool. It is assumed that every build has at least 75% ele res.

The tree can also provide more specialized things like mind over matter to turn your mana into a defensive layer. Or CI to make you immune to chaos damage and bleeding.

There are also layers in lots of ascendancy classes. Chronomancer's time freeze, temporal rift, recoup node, and apex of the moment all provide defensive layering.

The goal, usually, is to be well-rounded enough to ntk get wrecked by any one thing. That's partly why evasion and energy shield paired together is so popular at the moment. Evasion helps with strikes and projectiles, while a high ES pool protects you from big slams and one-shots. Those work for all damage types, as well (fire, cold, lightning, physical, and chaos, though chaos does double damage to ES unless you have CI).

People typically try to protect against:
-Strikes and projectiles of all types
-Huge one shots
-Ailments (bleed, poison, chill, freeze, shock, and ignite)
-Ground damage over time of all types
-Crits

If your build can handle all of those in moderation then you're off to a good start.

I will also add that some ascendancies can provide so much defense that you may not need to invest much on your passive tree.

You have so many resources at your disposal to get defense:
-Gear (this is usually the most important one, and includes charms and flasks which are almost exclusively defensive)
-Passive tree
-Gems
-Ascendancy nodes

[chilly swan]

That's a lot of great info, thanks! I'm playing Witch hunter and my defensive layers seems a bit lacking to be honest. Especially since Sorcery Ward would reduce armor and evasion.

[stiff hinge]

how does this last line work?

[chilly swan]

The passive tree I've planned out also seems to be little to no defense. (Is Knockback a defensive layer? :P) I was planning on going Armor / Evasion. With Whirling Assault, I could take the 2 gems that are like 20% increased armor/evasion per quarter second of attack time which would be something like 160-170% increased armor / evasion while I'm swingin'

[chilly swan]

I believe it gives flat reduction based on ES %. So at 100% ES, you get 100 damage reduction.

[stiff hinge]

is this pre or post mitigation

[chilly swan]

That I don't know. I assume pre-mitigation, but, someone more knowledgeable would need to chime in.

https://poe2db.tw/us/Silks_of_Veneration

current energy shield % as elemental damage reduction

[chilly swan]

I'm feeling more confident that it's pre-mitigation because I'm pretty sure all flat damage reduction happens pre-mitigation. Nevermind, I'm not sure. The more I look into it, the more I think it happens post-mitigation.

[hoary bolt]

oh hey thats my build lmao

yeah the cloud itself doesnt need accuracy

also I tested pretty extensively and the cloud can't crit

[chilly swan]

Mobalytics seems to suggest that it happens post-mitigation. I imagine it would work in a similar way to Ashrend.

[chilly swan]

This would make the most sense to me but, I've been surprised before.

[dawn spire]

I interpret that as, if you have 1k es and you take a 2000-danage fire hit and also have 75% fire res, you'd reduce it by 1000 (down to 1000)and then your resistance would lower it to 250 so you'd take 250 damage instead of 500 in that scenario.

Basically I think it's flat ele damage reduction based on your es before resistances

[hoary bolt]

its odd because there are other '

x as though y skills that can crit

like incinerate

it doesnt hit either, but for some reason can crit

[dawn spire]

I pulled the pre-mitigation thing out of my ass, btw. I just assumed it would be before resistance because it would be insane otherwise

[kindred kayak]

So what if you have 12k ES like in grim feast builds or in my case i have 6k ES?

So would that mean your barely take dmg in general?

As i have 6k ES, 75% all elemental res 1.6k hp

[dawn spire]

It would mean you'd barely take any elemental damage, yeah. Still would take full phys and chaos

[kindred kayak]

I feel like that would be insanely good

Especially if you run chaos innoc

[sharp warren]

whats the best deadeye leveling build for sc? I took a long break and wanna start fresh

[raw marlin]

is there important tweaks to do when swapping from "fubgun's ls" setup/convenional LS to the one with Morrior Invictus and Hand of Wisdom and Action ?
in the passive tree
gems links
maybe even on other gears

[chilly swan]

I think it's post-mitigation, and is based on the ES percent rather than the actual flat value.

[dawn spire]

Wtf does es % mean

[chilly swan]

If you're at 100%, it reduces damage by a flat 100, post-mitigation.

[dawn spire]

Ooooh

That's dogwater then lmao

[chilly swan]

Yeah. I'm mostly guessing, but, it's based on the wording from poe2db. "current energy shield % as elemental damage reduction"

If it were just flat ele reduction from your actual ES number, that would be insane.

I've seen people with like 13-14k ES O_O

[chilly swan]

incinerate doesn't hit?!

[hoary bolt]

nope

[chilly swan]

Holy fuck. All that damage is just from the ignite.

Oh. "Deals 40% MORE damage per stage" I see now.

[hoary bolt]

also it strips 50% resist

which scales with exposure effect

[chilly swan]

Spell builds are nuts.

[dawn spire]

Incinerate not hitting got me killed by Asinia in cruel act 1. Can't break her bone cage without hitting it, I learned (:

[static torrent]

That's why you need other skills as well :p

[dawn spire]

I have other skills... I also cast flammability

Next time I'm bringing solar orb just for that

Maybe fireball

[kindred kayak]

I run a 100% crit bone cage build

It is super fun

[chilly swan]

If my projectile passes through multiple flame walls, does it get added damage from each one?

[ornate anvil]

no

[jolly bloom]

Anyone have a good current rake/stomp bleed amazon build tree?

[dawn spire]

All the trees are the same, at least in the campaign. You just take all the attribute nodes you'll need for your final tree and pick str in all of them

[jolly bloom]

i found one, that works pretty well it looks like

it had 30 points, so im moving to the next part. I have 100 points to use

lol

ahh damn

its only built to 30 points

LOL

wth

[dawn spire]

Rakestomp carries hard until around mid act 3 and it starts to fall off

So I can't imagine they would build a tree for it super far

[jolly bloom]

Im doing t1-2 and clearing pretty quick

says i need Well-Placed Knife and i cant find it

on the skill tree

[static torrent]

Does it mean this, by any chance? Could be a translation error somewhere

[static plinth]

I dont think its nearly as good as the others are saying, pretty sure if you have 10k ES it treats it as 10k Armour applied to elemental damage

[jolly bloom]

thats the one

I think i screwed up my entire build....lol

Grr

lol

might just have to go Javazon

I mean i have the gems, equipment

[north pivot]

Can Grenades (Explosive Grenade) work with the Crushing Blow ascendancy?

[dawn spire]

Yeah, anything that hits can build/cause a heavy stun

[idle yoke]

Best ascendancy for poison build?

[north pivot]

what kind of poison build

check out Dreamcore's video on Poison Chayula - explains a bit on that one ascendancy

but it's for Gas Grenade

[ornate anvil]

pathfinder, chayula, amazon

amazon is the highest damage potential i think

easy crit and high damage, it can proc the poison in a opening

pathfinder was the highest before amazon because of poison conc but it most of it got gutted

no more +20 lvls and shit

between gas grenade or gas arrow i think grenade is better

especially if amazon

you usually pair it together with snipe for higher single target

with gas grenade you can put corrosion and use high velocity instead for a 1k% damage increase, plus crits from amazon

snipe has the guaranteed crit but not as high as a increase

plus you're stationary for a while since investing in attack speed does nothing for poison

[north pivot]

@ornate anvil how would one build the Amazon poison? stack accuracy?

[pearl sluice]

I played poison chay monk ,its def strong but pathfinder felt a lot better, stronger and better qol, amazon seems like a cool concept

[north pivot]

what QoL/Strengths does PF have now

[pearl sluice]

go look at the left side of its ascendancy

plus relentless pursuit can save you nodes unless you gonna use rhoa, and I know its kind of slept on but I like travelers wisdom

[north pivot]

doesnt running assault only benefit channeling skills mainly?

[pearl sluice]

the slow node?

sorry relentless pursuit, it should be on left of ascendancy

this combo was mad fun but I am sure other pathfinders have fun stuff

[oak juniper]

Gas arrow wasn’t that great, poisonburst arrow does a way better job

[atomic yacht]

Is there any way to scale ES besides flat es when using eldritch battery?

[wicked coral]

Ive reached the point where i have to pick an ascendancy for my mercenary, what builds are good to go for right now?

[magic snow]

is rake lightning spear better on amazon or blood witch

[feral hedge]

have a stun / armour break kitava build. mostly leap slap then bone shatter for mobs or mace streak / heavy stun / war cry / perfect strike for bosses.

just got HoTG and i can't see it replacing perfect stike yet feel like im missing something as my perfect strike is doing way more dmg. would switching from infernal cry to seismic cry be a good way to get HoTG online?

[odd charm]

How does killer instinct work with chaos inoc?

[atomic halo]

is that the LL node?

1/1 is full

nothing about 100% of your life is low life

[odd charm]

Yea 1 life

So it’s a dead node

Ty

[atomic halo]

how exactly does mana tempest work if your skill costs 0 mana?

and you need to build defences somewhere

morior and the helm are just unneccesary

it's not physically possible to cap res with that many uniques

and the focus looks insane

oh morior is for talismans

but surely you can get allres there

and if you're not using any mana, what you'd really like to get is mind over matter

[chilly mist]

diablo 2 had a build known as 'fishymancer' which was known to be able to clear some of the harder content with subpar gear or even naked... what is this game's equivalent to a build like this?

[brittle anvil]

skills

[static plinth]

Poison does work, Vine Arrow and Profane Ritual as well

oh wait that was like 15 hours ago

[atomic halo]

insane call

[static plinth]

I shouldve gone with my gut

[atomic halo]

💀

[still rock]

ive been wrong before

itll happen again dont worry

anyone else playing slormancer or just me

[ornate anvil]

youre looking for flat accuracy in wep as high as you can get

and youre not as penalized for getting hybrid phys% and accuracy

since accuracy scales your crit chance and phys damage

its a balancing act, you can math it out

the higher flat acc you have on items the less you need in the tree

theres a node near the faster ailments that scales both crit and accuracy so thats perfect for you

i'd do something like this for a crit ailment (both bleed and poison) build

https://poe2db.tw/us/passive-skill-tree/AAAABggBg7P3iNkX3fcW2fQkTgIQoDDdS4miGoUQ2XFANdd3501g7FltkvmQjD2akfQA7T-moi4x1siO4GHfomz4TqgkHWbyGEnrjcohPjLmADe1QrbuQt6aktwKgm_B_ZeemYJTGt6S029U-9QKy53A_lTZ1xpNVEeEyuirNb37zDIMJVJVAWK9LeVac0r4Jm7SOpUdzJJKqXeNSqKu178mgdbOvh4zucrRjxVBVa5z09geKWxOfqDWG4Wi4WdoZfaKRpmMu8MgNiBIQLAiSEn9q3WrZezMqNJduvB_McpxI8w1jGOpQGSlCmiiq-4uT3ht3qc4BGbPeQ7mO5FkxKYUa0YjRb4cuSNW3cgAAA==

[idle yoke]

Sorry, but poison doesnt crit though? Gas grenade nor poisonburst

[ornate anvil]

poison can crit

gas grenade/arrow and poisonburst cant

you want to crit your high velocity

when enemy has broken armour

that will be the big poison of the build basically

or something like this if you want full poison + ES/evasion defense layer instead of armour/evasion

https://poe2db.tw/us/passive-skill-tree/AAAABggBg7P3iNkVu7jQ2fQkTgIQoDDdS4miGoUQ2XFANdd3501g7FltkvmQjD2akfQA7T9nQKai-E6oJB1m8hhJ643KIT4y5gA3Qt5rZZeemYJTGp2VQ7zyY1T7zDIMJVJVAWK9LeVac0pLjrTYMloIK6SGCWiLcC_dXgbkHQke_kMMielIyfs5Qn23oDk3tn_7N7u-hZZd2UWWidbHmcl4WD2fAtJxMHMS0VuW5HwV4d3okrtoOG7v21XgDLMnk7XaxkOaj0ub8xaUVsaAp_cTPU1D-ZP2YoJ8ZbKnNd4GhhTDTIK3ejaw-Be-7r_3xwY_iWWbyQmQZ-aCVirA15mcWPEtRb4cuSNW3cgAAA==

tho if you go this route i'd 100% slot in plague bearer for better aoe

bleed + poison you can run gas grenades and flash grenades with lacerate in maps

full poison you basically only have gas grenades so if you go too fast you might eventually need it faster than its available, plus plague bearer is a stronger poison anyways (especially with higher levels)

i dont think you want more poison stacks than what you can easily proc, maybe 3 max if you manage to get a siege crossbow with the desired affixes

tho for eva/ES i imagine gas arrow + snipe is better just because you dont need to go all the way to the side of the mercenary tree

likely chayula is better for that too, easy access to eva/es hybrid nodes, maybe deadeye just because that ascendency is fucking ridiculous anyway, more proj, mv speed, tailwind etc

[ornate anvil]

let me clarify this btw

is not that poison can crit

poison scales with yout hit damage

gas grenades/arrow cant hit so they cant crit

also cant miss

they apply the poison as though hitting a normal hit

if you go crit you need another way of applying poison, in my case is high velocity rounds

higher % increase vs armour broken, can crit so bigger hit = bigger poison damage

[fossil sable]

This isnt as good as acceleartion for Spark right? Since Acceleration is "more"?

[crisp aspen]

a lot of people still took that last patch for spark

[fossil sable]

yeah im trying to figure out what to take before i conver to blood magic

[brittle anvil]

base speed * total increased * more

[brittle anvil]

that's effectively another "more"

[fossil sable]

ah. so in other words, no not as good

[brittle anvil]

I mean that's even more projectile speed if you get both, the passives and the support

[fossil sable]

well if i had one or the other. yes i know one is a support gem and one is on the tree, but yeah

[brittle anvil]

also if you don't have any other sources of increased, increased just means more, the passives there totaled 36% which is quite close to acceleration support

[fossil sable]

ah okay

[pearl sluice]

How is this build procing herald of thunder? I am using it and have no idea why herald of thunder is going off, I have nothing in my kit for lightning and none of the support gems for gas arrow have anything to do with lightning.

[brittle anvil]

rare spear with high phys damage for non-crit, or tangletounge if you wanna build crit

[brittle anvil]

is it a build guide? send the link

usually you would need lightning damage on the bow or rings, gloves

and maybe some chance to shock on the passives

[pearl sluice]

https://mobalytics.gg/poe-2/builds/fubgun-gas-arrow-amazon

I am using it, i legit have no lightning damage on anything

[serene escarp]

thanks

[brittle anvil]

well on the guide he had lightning damage on those items I mentioned

[serene escarp]

is tryannys grip better then? for high phy dmg? it has 186% incr phy dmg

[brittle anvil]

maybe, but look at the final damage calculated up top, not the mods

[pearl sluice]

I am using this bow, it has elemental damage, I am using a fire helm, poison gloves and its proccing herald of thunder all the time

[serene escarp]

where do i find it?

sorry, for asking such basic qn

[brittle anvil]

I mean look at this for comparison

[serene escarp]

oh ok!!

oh, i didnt realise that

[brittle anvil]

quiver, rings, gloves nothing has lightning damage?

[pearl sluice]

nope right ring is chaos and left is just stats (no lightning), this is so weird

[serene escarp]

i thought the 186% incr physical dmg meant an incr to my overall dmg! but if it is the numbers at the top, my tyranny is not as good as my tangletongue!! @brittle anvil

so i guess TT is better in this case, right?

[brittle anvil]

yeah, and a good rare will beat it, unless you are building for crit

[serene escarp]

oh! i get so addicted to uniques...i forget rares can be better right?

[static torrent]

Even if it did, your base damage still comes from your weapon, so if the base damage on the weapon is lower, it's no good.

[brittle anvil]

can you check this panel? if it has 0 lightning damage then it is weird

[pearl sluice]

Yeah, I got off for the night. Will post when I get back on. It is driving me crazy

[sacred pelican]

does the flat lightning damage on rings and gloves affect the "notables gain as extra lightning damage" against the darkness?

[dire cave]

flat damage on gear is not worth getting nodes for on the passive tree

like if you already have nodes that buff lightning damage for example but you have fire damage on gear you are not going out of your way to get fire damage nodes

and yes it does get buffed by passive tree

[brittle anvil]

not just lightning damage, all flat damage can "gain"

[vale mesa]

what mods should i be looking for in my boos? generally speaking

[dire cave]

what do you mean boos?

[vale mesa]

should i get reduced chill duration in boots?

[dire cave]

oh boots

eh it depends on your main skill

the usual go to would be movement speed, elemental resists and life

[sacred pelican]

so the "1 to 50 flat lightning damage to attacks" on my ring increases the damage gain from Against the Darkness with "Notable Passive Skills in Radius also grant Gain 4% of Damage as Extra Lightning Damage"?

[dire cave]

anything that says "gain % of damage as" applies to your overall damage including flat on gear

[junior mesa]

In that it's damage that you'll gain 4% of as lightning, yes

Total up all your damage, then apply your increased and more, then add up your "gain as" and get that much more

[brittle anvil]

gain is before increased and more iirc

[crude pine]

it does work, it doesn't increase the cost but you get the base empower benefits (+78% gain as lightning). the wording is just scuffed

[crude pine]

it's a demo of max dps potential, it intentionally doesn't have defenses

but yes a real version of it would give up uniques. ingenuity proves near zero benefit for example

The thing that doesn't gain stages is Sigil of Power, probably you can just have Fireball as a spender skill or something (since you're already stacking + gem levels, so it's probably mega expensive)

[brittle anvil]

or a curse

[crude pine]

yep that's a good one. flammability is fire tagged so it should work

[crude pine]

I would also drop fireflower, it's a bit troll considering how often you are hitting with high ignite chance. A +3 (up to +4 with corrupt) amulet should be good enough

[north pivot]

Thanks for this. What skills ideall works? Have you got a decent SSF friendly build in mind you can share pls?

[north pivot]

is there any benefit in Deadeye as Gas Grenade?

[coral tartan]

What den of snakes reward should I choose for a deadeye lightning spear build?

[gaunt ether]

Is there a “best” ascendancy for these whirlwind slash builds going around?

Seen titan/ritualist/gemling

[sleek cave]

anyone has a solid leveling build for monk please ?

feel so squeeshy and dealing no damage

[dire cave]

have had a comfortable experience with glacial strike

and monk will always feel more squishy than other classes

since its about the only one thats trying to do both evasion and ES

only other hybrid is merc

[sleek cave]

do you have a solid build

[dire cave]

there is no leveling build

but using twink uniques does help

such as wanderlust, goldrim

currently using nazir's judgement as weapon

level 28

[sleek cave]

ssf fresh

[dire cave]

high phys dmg

[sleek cave]

dqmn it

[dire cave]

freeze from glacial strike helps you survive a lot tho

[sleek cave]

oki ty

[idle yoke]

I dont know if I follow... Because you break armour with the rounds your poison hits are higher and because you can crit, we get exponential more damage?

and what would make Deadeye stronger asc. then pathfinder?

[gaunt ether]

what setup are people using for t4 simu farm

[oak juniper]

I use poisonburst arrow but I am very tanky.

[gaunt ether]

pathfinder?

or just deadeye

[oak juniper]

Yeah, but I guess deadeye can do aswell with lightning spear

then there is some afk simu build 🙂

https://mobalytics.gg/poe-2/builds/afk-simulacrum-immortal-ritualist-lazyexile

[gaunt ether]

yeah im seeing so many different setups for whirling slash struggling to pick a ascendancy

[ruby turret]

why can you not just imput a value why are you forced to use an inaccurate scroll wheel?

i cant even get any of the values i want to check becuase the scroll just doesn't go to the value

[unreal sierra]

probably because PoB is unable to get generated notables anyways

so its kinda there just for a sake of it

[ruby turret]

yeah i saw that right after...

oh well

[unreal sierra]

sadly they made rolls dependant on character as well so its impossible to get

[ruby turret]

oh wow

[unreal sierra]

e.g. two people will get different notables on same number

[ruby turret]

really a lottery jewel now huh

[unreal sierra]

p.much

i had to buy like 20 to get notable i needed...

[ruby turret]

if i could get a jewel with an easy access scorched earth that would've been so nice...

gotta do this the really hard way i guess

[north pivot]

my personal experience in leveling a monk, I use Rake Stomp + take all attributes as Str but still continue pathing as your intended build. Then end of campaign, respec those attributes to whatever you want.

and yes I dont use any uniques and it is SSF fresh.

Just check vendor regularly for ANY gear that has +str

as long as you have enough resistance type for the bigger bosses per zone, you'll be fine. e.g Act 1 try to have 50+ cold resistance, Act 2, Lightning, Act 3 Lightning / Fire.

[rancid stag]

What ascendancy would be best for a spiral volley and snipe build?

Thinking deadeye for the frenzy charges.
Or Amazon for the crit chance from accuracy and element infusion.
Or anything else?

[dire cave]

deadeye

simply because that double frenzy charge is so good

[rancid stag]

I guess spiral volley itself doesn't need to crit to clear packs with

[dire cave]

spiral volley has 30% more damage per frenzy

[rancid stag]

Yeah

[dire cave]

most spiral builds I've seen use herald of ice with it

[rancid stag]

And how would you go about generating charges? Cast on crit with sniper mark?

[dire cave]

thats one way

but cold damage is most used alongside combat frenzy

which generates a charge on freeze every 4 seconds

snipers mark is also frequently used

[rancid stag]

I'm actually currently using the tech where you break armor and get an endurance charge with resonance to convert it into Frenzy charge

[dire cave]

not sure how that would be beneficial to a spiral volley build

[rancid stag]

https://youtu.be/ufWC36kIEmU?si=i5OX3xDQRspyQsq-

[dire cave]

with that you rely on weapon infusion

[rancid stag]

I'm basically doing that build. Planning to convert into something else later but surprisingly enjoying spiral volley. So I was looking at stuff I could do after I finish my current character

[rancid stag]

It actually worked before I had ascendancy points

[dire cave]

if it works it works

poe 2 is at a stage of build testing anyways

[rancid stag]

But I guess deadeye is best in the end. Also for snipe boss dps

Just like deadeye is better than amazon with spears

[dire cave]

while snipe does guarante a critical hit

like most high damage bow skills it only has like 230% attack damage

[rancid stag]

That's bad?

[dire cave]

well it isnt high compared to most skills

[rancid stag]

I don't actually need a ton of boss dps. As long as I can kill map bosses

Because I have another character for pinnacle

[dire cave]

just for map bossing should be fine

lightning spear and spiral volley are kind of king and queen of clear atm

[rancid stag]

I could even run max evasion and queen of the forest

[dire cave]

you could

but I dont think you could run acrobatics then

[rancid stag]

Yeah

I don't like acrobatics anyway

[dire cave]

well if you are fine with getting one shot go for it

[rancid stag]

I actually started this league with a lightning arrow deadeye. So I don't even have to level a new char for this

Might also work as a sekhema runner

As long as its fast and doesn't have to aim

[dire cave]

doesnt sekhema require mid clear and great bossing?

but mostly movement

[rancid stag]

I think I could bring snipe to a level where I 2-shot zarokh tbh

[dire cave]

its possible

but also depends on budget

[rancid stag]

Yeah I have plenty right now. But not sure after because right now I'm leveling amazon to lvl ~94. Then I convert it to a ritualist and turn it into a literal afk simulacrum build

That'll take some divines.

[dire cave]

idek how profitable simulacrums are

been running logbooks for most my cash

[rancid stag]

Simu tokens fairly cheap. Profits usually over 1 div per run

With chance of hitting big with megalo

A strong spiral volley build could also work in simu I suppose

[dire cave]

90-100 ex per simulacrum

[rancid stag]

On +4 you often get good crafting bases too

[dire cave]

I usualy get 0.5 to a div per logbook

but logbooks are also far cheaper

[rancid stag]

But more of a hassle to buy

[dire cave]

to a degree yes

friend of mine doesnt run logbooks but does run expedition

so I do have a nice income of logbooks for market value

[rancid stag]

How convenient

[dire cave]

it realy is

[rancid stag]

What kind of build are you playing?

[dire cave]

just wish delve or incursion was in the game

[dire cave]

LS ritualist

[rancid stag]

Oh cool

[dire cave]

if I do not grab 0 crits or immune to lightning damage I one shot just about anything

[rancid stag]

Anything that isn't the meta is cool. I guess LS is but not on ritualist

• in my opinion

[dire cave]

I do try my best to steer clear of meta

I dont like it

but with lack of variety atm it is kinda inevitable

[rancid stag]

yea

i have a lvl 96 spark coc bloodmage. i started it before it got popular

it's fun and pretty strong. defenses are sometimes a bit tough as you spend hp instead of mana.

and then i have a lvl 91 deadeye which i used as league starter to figure out what the hell was going on in 0.2 xD

and now i leveled a huntress from 0 to 87 in 12 hours

crazy fast

[dire cave]

about average

[rancid stag]

really? the witch i leveled took me 13 hours to just get through campaign xD

[oblique marlin]

hey folks there is no Cast on Charm use on poe2ninja, anyone know of they have any discord or something to report bugs?

[rancid stag]

i think it might just be 0 people above ~lvl 80 that are taken though the api that are using it

[oblique marlin]

nvm i found discord, developers must fix API first

folks i have some crazy ideas for this item

do you know sources of minion attack speed besides jewels? on passive tree there is almost nothing

[rancid stag]

sceptres have attack speed too i think?

[dire cave]

I dont think it exist outside of sceptres and jewels

[oblique marlin]

yeah but i want to use Dance with Death so no offhand

[dire cave]

theres like 9% on massive minion cluster on tree

other than that its just jewels and sceptres

you playing lich?

[oblique marlin]

can use any class, just theorycrafting

[dire cave]

well lich phylactory has 100% jewel effect

[oblique marlin]

but ye lich can give more benefits

[dire cave]

only applies to 1 jewel tho

idk the limit of minion atk speed on jewel

but I imagine it goes up to 30% with phylactory

[oblique marlin]

4% only
so 8% will be with lich, 1 jewel

[dire cave]

its a shame tho minions suck

[oblique marlin]

idk if Adorned also affect jewels inserted in lich ascendancy

[dire cave]

mainly due to bad AI and this wisp bug

[oblique marlin]

so Tabula with 6 jewels will give 24%

[oblique marlin]

what is whisp bug?

[dire cave]

from my understanding it means spectres get the wisp buff but then break because of this buff

meaning they just stand there

completely brain dead

[snow burrow]

any 1 using the spiral voley build on amazon?

[dire cave]

on chayula monk is it worth getting the reduced darkness reservation time?

[ornate anvil]

More speed and proj but for deadeye id go bow

[ornate anvil]

Ive played as amazon with it in ssf

You get any damage node you can early and reset at lvl 40 or so to get the grenades nodes

[ornate anvil]

High velocity consumes armor break to do more damage

And it can crit

Bigger hit = bigger poison damage

[ornate anvil]

Its faster, can utilize frenzy charges well for barrage snipe

I cant say for sure is better tho, youd have to test

[north pivot]

@ornate anvil are you playing HVR/Gas Gren with Corrosion by any chance?

if so, got a pob, sounds interesting / would like to give it a shot.

[ornate anvil]

flash/gas grenades for mapping gas grenades/hvr for boss yea

ill import when i get back

[north pivot]

thanks. 🙂

[woven moat]

ugh so i ascended into gemmling without any research

what are my options for a build - i'm using galvanic shots for pack clears but struggle with dps

i'm still at regular act 3

i looked up some builds but i kinda picked merc for the crossbow and don't wanna switch to spear or staff

[north pivot]

You do have the option to unascend/swap

respeccing still in Act 3 is very cheap gold wise.

[hushed escarp]

If i would want to play with CI and Eternal Youth do i need to spam flask hotkey all the time ? I never played with ES and im surprised it doesn’t recover in fight

[ornate anvil]

you pair ES with Evasion so you can use ghost dance

helps with recovery

EY = flask recover ES so you can use that too

[mint summit]

Ghost shroud looks at your total current evasion number, right? So it would go higher with wind dancer?

Hm or it would be gone by the time it triggers due to hit 🤔

[ornate anvil]

https://poe2.ninja/pob/74a9

clearing t15

no crit yet, dont have the items

you'd move lacerate/deep cuts/see red to high velocity from flash grenades for bosses

map bosses dont really matter tbh, they die in ~10 to 20secs anyway

fairly safe build for normal content

good for expedition, decent for breach, bad for ritual (no CI)

as long as you flash before you gas you pretty much dont take damage lol

[viral sage]

are there 2h mace skill that can synergize well with stomping ground other than spear rake?

[north pivot]

thanks for sharing. So what do you use Rapid Shot / Cluster Gren for?

and bleed nodes

[north heart]

Anyone have a good warrior build to follow?

[north pivot]

sorry just trying to understand the setup

[north pivot]

depends if you want melee or ranged attack or caster

[north heart]

Boneshatter type deal. Heard that deals a tremendous amount of damage

[north pivot]

only for clear. you still need a boss ability. if it's melee you want, there's a few now. a most recent one being instant Earthquake for clear and Rolling Slam for boss using Aftershocks.

[north heart]

Does rolling slam really do that much? Always thought that was bad lol. And does this use the titan ascendency

[north pivot]

Rolling Slam aftershock does 6 procs I think

If you want more info, go on YT and search for "Ulfhednar"

he's got some new guides out on it and explains the mechanics

You can ALSO do a one button play style with just Rolling Slam too.

[north heart]

Can you one shot the t4 pinnacle boss with this rolling slam or?

[north pivot]

Yes.

comes down to gear.

[north heart]

Ohh okay does rolling slam do the bulk of the damage with good gear?

[north pivot]

depends on if you want to play PURE Rolling Slam one button build or instant EQ for clear and Rolling Slam for boss

[north heart]

Right now I’m doing leap and boneshatter in campaign. Working very well for mobility and damage. Also have perfect strike, kinda ehh but it’s good for single target

[north pivot]

both versions are very strong.

[north heart]

That would require weapon swap right?

[north pivot]

Personally Boneshatter tech is good but it means you have to first prime a target in order to use boneshatter for clear, so 2 buttons.

[north pivot]

Only if you want to. Otherwise Giant's Blood, 2h/shield and IF you want to then use 2x 2H but that's IF you want to.

as with most builds, higher investment means better output

if you are playing in Trade, then you have no issues with getting what you want.

[north heart]

Ohh yeah I love trade

I watched this warrior guy named can and at some point he just starts using leap to do all the damage for mapping and it clears everything. Build guide ain’t rhat clear tho

[north pivot]

yes you can do that too but I think it may require high investment

if someone's build guide isnt clear enough or give you basic answers, then I avoid it.

If I was to recommend you something, I'd say play instant Earthquake (screenwide) with Rolling Slam for bosses.

[north heart]

Ohh man I hate mobalytics so much lol. Is that site not capable of this but on the passive tree, does it not show the progression from start to finish? What I love about maxeoll is that it has pathing layout from start to finish so you know which nodes to take in order

[north pivot]

😵‍💫

[north heart]

Why did you get dizzy

https://youtu.be/v0IHUpgw0oY?si=cpvcO6rqwkowGZTZ ohh I see the video

[ornate anvil]

Was just testing things

Can ignore those

I use bleed because bleed is a stronger ailment for bossing

Gas grenade with poison and flash grenade with bleed for aoe

[north pivot]

So only remove rapid shot and cluster but keep everything else? keep plague bearer/herald of blood

How did you level this earlier in campaigns?

as some of them require T3 supports.

I think i'll do this in SSF, hence the million questions.

[ornate anvil]

Plague bearer only good if you go full poison i think

Herald of blood decent, can change it for something else id youd like

Early campaign you use whatever helps especially in ssf

[north pivot]

i guess rake stomp it is

[ornate anvil]

Act 1 i went frag and cold rounds with flash grenades

Act 2 forward flash grenades, gas and high velocity

Rake stomp obv better

[north pivot]

wish they swapped some of the juicy T3 supports into T1

[ornate anvil]

I wish they didnt have support tiers tbh

[north pivot]

yes that i agree

[ornate anvil]

Reckon is just to not confuse newbies

Too much info available at the start

[north pivot]

as if this isnt confusing

[ornate anvil]

I dont love it

Ye

[static torrent]

It's to enable some progression with supports rather than just giving everything at the start. It reduces how much a new player has to sort through at the start, and means there's innately some growth for the character through the campaign as you unlock new supports. Then, once you've played through and have spare T3 Uncut Support Gems, you can use them on new characters to help out in the campaign.

[north pivot]

Yeah but they still should add or give couple of those stronger ones mid tier

Heft, Deadly Poison etc, one has to wait like late cruel Act2 for one or two T3 to drop.

which is why most are forced to level with the likes of Rake Stomp, even as a new character.

I got a feeling Stomping Grounds will get a nerf

[static torrent]

You're really not forced to level with it, it's just (apparently, I haven't used it) much stronger than the alternatives, and as always that innately drives people to use it even if the other options aren't bad. Similar sort of thing to Lightning Spear at the higher end, it's so good that the alternatives automatically seem worse.

[north pivot]

i've been avoiding lightning spear builds like the plague

cant see myself play anything else once you play that.

😒

[static torrent]

That's the unfortunate thing about stuff that overperforms like that, so hopefully they nerf it with 0.3 and, more importantly, start getting better at predicting these things, since both the stat stackers of 0.1 and the Lightning Spear/Tangletongue thing of 0.2 should've been somewhat obvious.

[north pivot]

dont think anyone in QA could have tested all of these before it went live but who knows.

0.30 will fix it

Tangletongue needs a nerf deffo

[static torrent]

I mean, Tangletongue has massive crit chance and the Forks Critical Hits property, I could've told you it'd be insane from the item alone.

[elfin sequoia]

for blood hunt, bleed/ailment duration is far superior to damaging ailments deal damage faster correct?

[north pivot]

@ornate anvil when you got 5, let me know pls, Trying to make my (SSF) PF full poison Gas Gren work but right now at lvl 47, the damage is terrible. Maybe I made some obvious mistakes that you can spot.

https://pobb.in/N6JMwD09Rskw

[real knoll]

Anyone able to help me review two builds we both have the same build but my friends bleeds are 10 times stronger and we cant see why if anyone wants to help just dm me dont want to spam the channel lol

[gray patrol]

Both are good in their own way. If you’re gonna kill something before the duration runs out then the extra duration is wasted. Really extra duration imo is good for allowing you to be less committal, not for dps like dealing damage faster is

[gray patrol]

Do you have the poe2 ninjas for them?

[elfin sequoia]

am I misunderstanding blood hunt, doesn't it basically consume the bleed, so basically if the dot damage is scaled by time, wouldn't that equate to a larger magnitude of bleed consumption?

for example if i were going to apply a 10 dps bleed for 1 second, and now it's a 10 dps bleed for 1.5 seconds, wouldn't bloodhunt now consume 15 damage instead of 10 damage -- but in the same timeframe with the way bloodhunt allows you to consume the bleed instantly?

I can be completely butchering the way it actually works - sorry im being an idiot

if im *

[gray patrol]

No you’ve got the concept of how it scales, but more duration means that to take advantage of it, you need to blood hunt later

If you deal the damage faster, you’ll be able to consume the same amount of blood loss earlier

[dawn spire]

Rakestomp feels like leveling with twink gear while wielding a white spear. At least in act 1. In act 2 it just feels strong. Then in act 3 I swap off of it.

Rakestomp can phase crowbell before he can hit you

[gray patrol]

Yeah it’s even better if you have the otherwise kinda shit unique spear that gives you a bunch of strength

[dawn spire]

Yeah, the one with the strike splash? It's insane

I was lucky enough to find that and it makes act 1 an absolute cakewalk

[gray patrol]

Yeah I generally don’t even bother leveling the rake gem lol

[dawn spire]

I killed geonor before he did any mist phases

[gray patrol]

Same it’s not okay lmao

[dawn spire]

Yeah, leveling it actively hurts you because then you need more dex which could be str

[gray patrol]

If disengage didn’t have a cd it would also do the same thing and maybe be better tbh

[gray patrol]

Consider this though. What’s to stop you from reapplying the bleed before it runs out if you need more duration?

You need to commit to the reapplication yeah but if we’re just talking dps then it’s pretty much the same

That’s not to say that duration is bad. But if you have full bleed uptime, duration doesn’t help you at all

[noble willow]

If I have this equipted as my second weapon but don't actually use it or have it out do I still get the buff from it or do I have to be attacking with it?

[north pivot]

💯 you start to feel it dropping off in Act 3. I found a way to add some extra damage by using Tame Beast with the "Extra Phys Aura" and that helps a bit more. At least it helped me through just about with Doriyani

[atomic halo]

you need to have it out

for it to do anything

putting a sceptre on your back is not going to give the bonuses you get for actually wielding it

[potent furnace]

Is blood mage tanky?

[dawn spire]

Compared to what? All ascendancies can be tanky or squishy

Depends on the build

[potent furnace]

compared to lich or infernal

[gray patrol]

Depends on the build

You can get a lot of life and overheal

Or you could have a build that’s really efficient at killing yourself

[dawn spire]

All of those can be tanky in different ways. Lich can get a lot of damage reduction if you build around energy shield.

Infernalist can get a ton of extra mana, ES, and spirit if they go low life.

Blood mage can get a lot of extra life and the damage delay effect. Also spell leech

[gray patrol]

And also the body armor es> life node

[dawn spire]

It's very hard to compare them in a category as general as "tankiness"

[gray patrol]

But you have like no room to take that generally

[potent furnace]

What would you recommend for hc?

[dawn spire]

Yeah that's where I was getting the "lots of life" from lol

[dawn spire]

What build do you want to do? I think they're all hc viable

[gray patrol]

If I had to choose like a meta pick for hc without knowing, I’d go smith of kitava lol but there’s a lot of options

[potent furnace]

I did several attempts with the lich into the the mid 80s, was looking for something different for the next run

I was thinking to give a blood mage a go, but wanted to make sure I have options to be tanky

[dawn spire]

Cold crit blood mage would be my recommendation. Gore spike and the full life branch on the right side

There's a world where you maybe drop gore spike for the leech, but I'm not sure tbh

Depends on how tanky you wanna be vs how much crit damage you want

Cold spells also have a solid base crit chance so the 15% base node isn't as critical

[potent furnace]

So Vitality Siphon or Gore Spike plus right side branch

[potent furnace]

For now I am not yet done with the witch

[gray patrol]

If you’re doing spells, the leech is kinda a must

You pretty much need it to offset the huge mana costs

[potent furnace]

I will give it a try then, is there any specific leveling build recommended?

or is there any caster build viable?

[gray patrol]

I mean you can always do rake stomp into lightning spear but that’s less fun imo

It’s really good though

[potent furnace]

nah, dont want to get used to OP mechanics that get nerfed eventually

[gray patrol]

Same

[potent furnace]

thanks for the hints

[gray patrol]

I haven’t looked much into caster leveling this patch so I can’t help much there

With spells you might want to hold off on getting sanguimancy for a bit though

With most martial weapons the costs are like nothing so it’s just totally fine

But with spells you are putting yourself at serious risk if you’re not ready

[potent furnace]

I usually often get my ascendancies at the end of act 3

before viper

[woven depot]

caster levelling is fine, there’s some options there as well

My chronomancer had a breeze playing nova, frost bomb, cold snap through campaign

[gray patrol]

Specifically talking about blood mage tbf

[woven depot]

Aah fair, just saw ‘caster’

[gray patrol]

So the spell costs are a definite consideration until you get the leech node

[woven depot]

don’t spend the points until after ToC

[gray patrol]

You can spend the first one for 3% max hp!

[woven depot]

True haha

[potent furnace]

I will consider this

[hushed escarp]

what this actually do? ignoring all monster's resists?

[gray patrol]

If they have positive resists and you crit, they take damage as if they had 0 resist

[hushed escarp]

thanks!

[stable kernel]

help trying to find wtf to do with huntress. essentially I want my build to focus on chain lightning spear. whole screen of fried monsters. But also wanna focus on the ritual summoning of the class. saw that you can go to corpses of like big mini bosses and shit and make them yours? can anyone help me with this like which gem what kinda gear im looking for. currently about to finish the ogham farmlands act 1 stuff so im pretty early. im also new to poe 2

https://tenor.com/view/omni-man-disappointed-embarrassed-invincible-angry-gif-9895581541562307018

[pearl sluice]

Is there a list of non channel spells I could see somewhere that would work for this? I play melee usually so trying to familiarize myself with casters.

[dire cave]

pretty sure the only channel spells in the game atm are incinerate, flameblast and maybe ember fusilade

not sure if fusilade is cast or channel

[static torrent]

Cast

But also Bonestorm

[dire cave]

oh yeah bonestorm is a thing isn't it

[pearl sluice]

So basically if I generate power charges and cast fireball it will consume the charge if able to deal more than 25% of the charge gain?

So if fireball did a 100 damage and with a charge it was 130 it will consume charges?

[static torrent]

If it did 100 damage, consuming the Power Charge would boost it to 125, but outside of that, yes.

[pearl sluice]

sorry yeah so it would have to do 25% more though in order to consume the charge, so if it would only do 110 it would not consume right?

[static torrent]

No, it just means that if you cast a non-channelling Spell, and have a Power Charge, it will be consumed to make it deal 25% more damage.

[north pivot]

Does Scattershot reduce poison damage from gas grenade?

[real knoll]

I have enough spare spirit as meta blood witch build.for a skill whag should i add? I troed ghost dance

[dusky wadi]

Is disengage any good for movement?

[stable kernel]

Nobody can help me or?

Cause if not then

[formal violet]

Don't ask to ask! Post your question here so that people actually know if they can help. It's also better to discuss your question publicly so more people can chime in or learn! That's why these channels are here!

[static plinth]

Yes

[royal wasp]

suggestions on what supp gems to put in herald of ice to assist with overkill dmg?

[magic snow]

anyone have coc bonecage suggestions im currently doing coc deatonate dead on blood mage but anyone else have anything to put into it

[chilly mist]

https://mobalytics.gg/poe-2/builds/waggle-chaos-dot-lich?weaponSet=set1

in this build, where does blink come from?

i don't see the skill

[brittle anvil]

spirit gem

[midnight obsidian]

same deal with convalescence and withering presence

[tropic onyx]

woah theres more kinds of dot damage?

i really wanna do a dot build now

[dusky wadi]

For lightning spear huntress is it better to go pure evasion or es/ev?

[kindred galleon]

es/ev

but still depends on your items

[dusky wadi]

Is there a reason? Or is it just that it covers all bases?

I’m prob gonna do ev/es with an energy shield helmet for subterfuge

[kindred galleon]

makes u more tanky in general. personally, i always go ghost shroud that why im bias in using es/ev.

[dusky wadi]

probably a good idea

I just need more spirt lol

[tacit matrix]

can you still get a quadrilla with haste aura on it?

[midnight obsidian]

no

[pearl sluice]

Does unholy might get bigger with presence?

[dawn spire]

What do you mean by "bigger"? The amount of damage gained as chaos does not scale with presence in any way

[pearl sluice]

The area of effects mobs

Like for the ascendancy for lich I don’t start losing mana until the mobs are near me

[dawn spire]

Making enemies into your minions can be done with the bind spectre gem. I will also say that poe(2) rewards specializing and punishes you for trying to do lots of things at once. Going for non-companion minions and lightning spear would mean:

1. Your attributes would be stretched thin. You need str and dex for lightning spear and int for the bind spectre gem.
2. Your damage nodes would be split between minions and lightning spear (there is no overlap that would benefit both at once).
3. Even if you utilize weapon swapping and weapon set points, your minions would disappear when you swap to your spear set.
4. Minion builds really want to utilize a scepter which means you'd have to use a spear in main hand and a scepter in your offhand, meaning you would be far less tanky due to the lack of a shield.

[stable kernel]

https://tenor.com/view/holy-shit-holy-fucking-shit-fucking-shit-wtf-gif-25185864

Thank you

[dawn spire]

That shouldn't be how it works. You should just lose 5% mana per second at all times.

And the node says, "you and allies in your presence" so the area of affected allies would be affected by modifiers to your presence

[pearl sluice]

Weird, I do not lose mana until I am in combat

[stable kernel]

And thats why my damage fall off was severe lol. Aight. Gotta decide what I want then

[pearl sluice]

But I’m not using minions

Also the damage on the numbers changes once I enter combat not just flat for some reason

[dawn spire]

You're only in ogham farmlands (or maybe in act 2 by now), right? If your damage fell off it's likely because your weapon hasn't been upgraded and/or you're using suboptimal gems/support gems

[dawn spire]

Define "in combat". Is it when you start using other skills? As far as I know, the "lose 5% of mana per second" shouldn't have any qualifier

Do you have nodes that grant mana regen while moving? So when you stand still to cast, you lose that regen and start losing mana?

[pearl sluice]

No I’m playing a melee build

Just a quarter staff with wind blast

[dawn spire]

That has nothing to do with your ability to take nodes that affect mana regen while moving/stationary

[pearl sluice]

Well I don’t even know what those nodes are, that would be awesome to get though

[dawn spire]

Are you wearing any unique items?

[pearl sluice]

Just using howa and a poison ring

[stable kernel]

this was it had chain on my lightning spear -50% damage for it lol. removed it and did some other things. I think ill be alright now cuase of your info o thanks again.

[north pivot]

Any Pathfinder Gas Grenader players around? I'm still in Cruel Act1 but feel that my damage is lacking (No access to T3 supports yet as in SSF and they start dropping in late Act 2 Cruel) If you can take a look at this terrible character pls and advise if I can make any changes to improve the damage. I'm only scaling the poison as I want this to be gas cloud only build. https://pobb.in/HbXrCfq-7Ecb

[vale mesa]

need help with herald of thunder and combat frenzy interaction. does electrocute and innervate work?

[ornate anvil]

cant depend on only gas grenades damage for acts

you crossbow kinda sucks

need flat damage and phys %

do gas grenade, corrosion and comorbidity

always look for phys attack on jewels and gloves

dont use stacking toxins you dont have enough cdr or enough projectiles to make real use of it

so youre just making your poisons 20% less damage anyways

lvl 48 is what, 62 points or so in the tree?

i would spec like this if i were you

https://poe2db.tw/us/passive-skill-tree/AAAABgIDQjisNWvxbHGS3UuJohqFENlxQFkLpx3YhVYh7FltklMg74C9ESqdQGmBHUU-LjJvjOnprj0fnOaUoPqqOsH5OOz4Jr37btI6lbrwfzHKcbkDI8xjqVT7zDIMJXNKKx1SVQFivS3lWoyT6QXuskW-9ACMPfmQ1sguMe0_omxh347gQ7zyYwAA

you dont even need comorbidity actually with pathfinder

gas grenades - corrosion - heft most likely

cant remember if heft is lvl 3 or not

[dire cave]

poison is chaos damage tho only part of phys damage that gas grenade does is initial explosion no?

[ornate anvil]

poison is 20% of your hit phys and chaos

[woven depot]

scales from attack damage

[dire cave]

yes but gas grenade poison is not a hit

its a hazard

[ornate anvil]

...

it poisons as a hit

this is basic information that you can very much test yourself

with your logic you wouldnt use a phys weapon at all for this

when full phys is the best weapon for poison

[dire cave]

it poisons as though hitting them yes but the poison itself does not hit

it only allows on hit affects to proc

[ornate anvil]

You completely misunderstood what as hit means

but i wont argue with you if you believe you are correct

just try it yourself and see lol, speccing into chaos damage is a gimp on your damage in all cases

[dire cave]

I am not saying I am correct. all I'm saying is I thought thats how it worked

[ornate anvil]

my friend this is basic information, if you dont know for sure please try it out before trying to help people

add a chaos convert gem to your weapon and see if your poison is better or not

[dire cave]

so now we're acting like a smartass

[woven depot]

pretty sure the only poison that can be increased with chaos % is decompose (anything plaguefingers excluded)

[ornate anvil]

no now we are acting like we actually want to help someone thats struggling instead of suggesting the exact opposite and fuck them even worse

[dire cave]

my first sentence on the matter was me saying something about gas grenade with a question mark

not stating my sentences as facts

[ornate anvil]

it scales with chaos but your flat chaos is always smaller

so the % are worse

decompose is a spell IIRC

so it has its own flat

[woven depot]

yea it is

That flat is corpse hp %

[ornate anvil]

yea

[dire cave]

besides is it that awfull to say something wrong and then be corrected later?

[ornate anvil]

that makes sense scaling chaos

[dire cave]

and also saying its basic information when you are assuming I play gas grenades is somewat simple minded

[woven depot]

think this is getting a tad antagonistic, sounds more like a misunderstanding at this point

[ornate anvil]

@north pivot you need a better xbow and you need HVR

else it just takes too long to kill

In your case i'd even use frag rounds tbh

just to complement aoe

things get easier as soon as you get Salvo especially for bosses in cruel act2

till then use martial tempo, brutality, long range

and dont bait yourself into getting the poison passives

if your damage is low, your poison is even lower

its 20% of your phys and chaos

so adding magnitude does pretty much nothing for you

adding stacks does nothing either, you already have two base for being a pathfinder, if you add comorbidity, 4, if you add stacking toxins, 6

you can realistic only use two or three stacks while not bossing

so in the end its just making your poisons weaker

if you want a lot of stacks early like that i think you need scattershot but thats another 35% cut in your damage