2┃build-planning

[thorny path]

They have to be low life before they're hit

[magic spire]

i see, i gonna try to get a rare beast type of that with good modifier and a specter one

[cobalt temple]

is chance to ignite a bad mod for a jewel? i know it depends on other stats but i just want to know if its a desired mod

[green spruce]

K, thats what I thought, but I figure I'd ask anyway. Thanks @hidden hill @thorny path

still works for bosses though so might take it anyway

Considering the damage goes from 3.5Million to 4.2Million lol

[marble jasper]

if anyone has any guidance that would be great

[grizzled ruin]

Is bleed consider as blood loss?

[hidden hill]

@marble jasper Honestly Str is hard for early witch. Outside of swapping attribute highway nodes for it. I ended up having to jump and grab the major int node at the top of the tree to allow more Str on the highway. Additionally, the belt is pretty solid slot for Str stacking in a pinch.

[median kraken]

Blood loss is the total life an enemy has lost from bleed

[hidden hill]

lol I missed the actual pic Nek. Yes moar strength

[hushed panther]

rake + stomping ground doesn't seem to be doing much dmg for me as a lvl 34 huntress in act 4 and all of my skill tree nodes are strength, any recommendations?

[magic spire]

is there any way to make mobs focus your companions?

[marble jasper]

whats your str

[hushed panther]

54

[marble jasper]

stomp deals your str as damage so

[grizzled ruin]

I see, so how can we maximise blood hunt dmg? Rake a few time then blood hunt?

[hushed panther]

should i look for gear to buy on trading that gives strength?

[hidden hill]

Honestly imo, weapon swap for giga bleed hit, swap back for giga explosion. But I rolled my current witch before I could really feasibly test that.

[marble jasper]

yes just not the ones i want cuz i need them

[summer thicket]

is demon form a waste of time?

[crystal drift]

im having a problem with essence drain/ contagion witch where ill put contagion on an enemie and than they all swarm and the ones i spread it to end up in the middle and i can kill them with essence drain because all the body blocking from the mobs. how do i get around this? bossing is fine but regular clearing just consists of me running around packs trying reach the purple mobs while popping 2 hp pots trying not to die to swarm

[pallid wigeon]

Ziz's interview with Jonathan and mark said that buffs will be coming. Really hoping for a lot of buffs to Ritualist. Half it's ascendency nodes don't work well and has anti synergy with each other.

[summer thicket]

put unleash on contagion and use unearth for the first kill if its still a problem

[normal pumice]

Shoot ED first, then cast C, afaik it targets mob nearby your curser with lowest hp

[crystal drift]

if i use ed first itll kill the mob too quick

[crystal drift]

i have unleash and unearth doesnt do any dmg

[normal pumice]

Yeah need to be quick or have minions that spread the C

[crystal drift]

wat ? minions can spread it??? how i do that

[normal pumice]

Use corpses that have C on them

[summer thicket]

put lacerate and controlled destruction on unearth

[crystal drift]

controlled destruction is on ED

i just wish i could put contagion on as a curse in like a circle on the ground 😄

[summer thicket]

change controlled to arcane tempo xd

[normal pumice]

Try making C as quick cast time as posible and then double tap, ED -> C can be a bit wonky for sure

Alternatively use fork/pierce on ED

to get through the blocking mobs

[crystal drift]

hmm ok ill mess around with that

arcane tempo does feel good on ed

just need 2 more strength for lacerate on unearch

[summer thicket]

yea the speed is nice

[crystal drift]

unearth*

[summer thicket]

the blead is going to be really good too when your stacking debuffs

[crystal drift]

ok interesting

i am following raxx's build for it just to lvl easier

[still rock]

im confused.,.. didnt it already effectively make you bleed immune?

oh

Energy Shield no longer prevents bleeding from being applied.

big mechanic change

[oblique sun]

Is ES the best still or is it evasion/armor?

[cobalt pollen]

mana tempest becoming ele is cool

[still rock]

es

armor needs a lot of work

but removing the armor break debuff is nice

[oblique sun]

How the heck can I juice ES on huntress and make it alright?

[still rock]

just go eva/es

eva feels fine as a secondary defensive rn

vs armor feels like poop tier unless you have a quadrillion of it

[finite glade]

is there a way i can get more spirit without using a weapon or armor piece that gives more spirit in act 2? i have 30 from act 1 but i need 10 more right now

[neat bison]

Act 3 is the next permanent buff

Spirit can also roll on amulets

Solar I think has 10-15 as an implicit

[finite glade]

ah

[neat bison]

If you’re near the north side of the tree

There’s a cluster than gives 10% spirit total

but that won’t help you rn I suppose

[still rock]

did they lower overall block values you can get from a rare shield?

i thought they were higher than 40-45% or maybe im crazy?

[neat bison]

That sounds about right to me but I’m not certain tbh

[still rock]

its actually insane how much ehp i can get just slapping on a shield vs any amt of investment into armor lmao

[neat bison]

Yes block is crazy

[hidden hill]

Alright, small companion update. Beetle is out. Too slow and doesn't seem to want to cast Rallying Cry/Nova too often.

[still rock]

absolute steal at 5ex

thank you china

[vast echo]

does elemental conflux always give the damage boost if the skill used has embitter

[still rock]

ugh, well thank you for your service

good job testing things

so we dont have to

are there any other notable support companion base types?

[hidden hill]

I'm investigating one rn actually.

While the beetle was a flop, the Serpent Shaman might be busted.

[still rock]

no, more damage is not gain damage

bitterment only specifically works with gain damage conversion

[vast echo]

gotta un respec then

[still rock]

someone else mentioned it has a debuff?

i think

[vast echo]

so anything that says specifically gain

so will still work with the last line

[still rock]

Gain x% as [insert damage type] etc

it should, yes

6k dps for 2.6k ehp, the struggle of decision is real

[hidden hill]

Oh that's interesting. I could use that for my Lich Companion build, (Embitterment)

I'm not seeing any buff/Debuff at least on the Spectre. I'll hunt down a rare and see if something happens on that soon.

[still rock]

ill probably stick with my silly gorilla for now until theres some more testing done, hunting down rares is a chore

but i appreciate you lol

it seems a lot of companions need a ms buff

[hidden hill]

It's all good. I'm hunting these for myself anyways. Serpent Shaman is really interesting actually. It's ability shotguns really well, is Phys based so you could go bleed with it.

[viscid radish]

Best companion = some small beast with haste + invulnerability aura

Haste will boost both your and minions ms, and invulnerability will periodically make you not take damage and can be useful in a pinch

Just my opinion

[still rock]

i need the lightning trail, but i was moreso asking about the base type companion, not which monster mods are effective

isnt hasted just for the monster tho?

[viscid radish]

Hasted yes, Haste aura no

[still rock]

gotcha ya

hows the area on it

i noticed the es% as monster life aura monster mod is really small

[swift estuary]

could a melee focused lich work? endless life and unholy might. stack evasion and ES? Run spear or Qstaff skills instead of chaos spells and enjoy the +chaos dmg and ES charge

[still rock]

yes and crown of eyes makes it more viable

imo

since you can stay in the north side of the tree comfortably and still scale dmg

[vast jay]

accuracy rating is doubled

[still rock]

yeah its bis for amazon afaik

[neat bison]

Crappy ass shield that just is randomly godlike for 1 ascendency, we love that

[sonic garnet]

what support gems are yall using on rake?

[still rock]

p sure its just the str stacking stomping grounds build thats pul;ling ahead rn for rake

idk if anyone is actually playing it as bleed lmfao

[sonic garnet]

yeah ive been using that but im not going to be scaling with strength

what would you recomend for a main attack for bleed build, rapid assault?

[neat bison]

Guaranteed bleed skills are weird because there’s all this support on the tree for “incision” which rake just makes useless

[still rock]

ill be honest with you - bleed seems fairly useless to scale into since the damage sucks ass

[neat bison]

Esp because rake has a low base dmg

[still rock]

the reason rake is useful is because it takes mul;tiple steps for stomping grounds

[neat bison]

Yeah

[still rock]

bleed is 15% of the attack damage hit

its pennies

[neat bison]

Unironically blood mage spear might be the best bleed option

[still rock]

atleast with the baked in poison bow stuff they had better scaling

for pathf

[lyric tulip]

Thing like that is what makes a good game

[neat bison]

Indeed

[sonic garnet]

not really looking for reasons not to build bleed, only reason im playing poe 2 and not something out it to try out bleed

[neat bison]

I would just find your hardest hitting phys attack and use that

[still rock]

well ill give you the honest answer, but feel free to explore it

its not worth any investment atm

they need to adjust ailment'

overall

aside from poison specifically with the baked in poison abilities

only exception there

[sonic garnet]

ok?

[neat bison]

The 3 things you’re looking for are magnitude, aggravate and then faster dmg

and a large dmg hit

[still rock]

magnitude isnt even worth scaling at 15% dmg

just go big hit and get the little drip of bleed

which is probably hotg

but hotg just goes fire cause ignite has a better magnitude inherently

(still ass but i digress)

the blood loss stuff has some areas to explore, but thats less abt the bleed dmg and more abt activating whatever effect the skill gives you for consuming blood loss

[sonic garnet]

ok but blood loss is an inherent part of a bleed build?

[still rock]

yes, blood loss just means the target has taken dmg from bleed

[sonic garnet]

herald of blood, blood hunt, and the support gem that explodes bleeding

like ik bleed isnt about the dot

[neat bison]

Blood hunt is a nice execute button if you do have bleed buildup

[still rock]

so the tldr answer is - scale the hit dmg anyways, when you look for what supports to use

[sonic garnet]

ok but my question was regarding skill gems.

[neat bison]

If tornados can bleed those might be good

[sonic garnet]

i have lacerate on whirlwind strike and its been working pretty well

i havent tried tornados cause my primary ranged has been explosive spear to detonate rapid strike

[neat bison]

I haven’t played around with them yet, been chucking storm lances

[still rock]

brutality, heft are gunna be winners for rake probably if youre going more into bleed/blood hunt style

spearfield with incision

hearld of blood with haemocrystals

[neat bison]

Spear field maybe good yea

[sonic garnet]

spearflied im using a pin setup with rusty nails for aggrevate

[still rock]

bloodhound mark with single out

[neat bison]

The armor break will help your bleed yea

[sonic garnet]

where can i slot armor break?

or does mark add it?

[still rock]

splinter

support

[neat bison]

Single out on the mark does add it yeah

The mark lets your bleed stun

[still rock]

(single out on bloodhound mark makes your phys on the target dmg as a % do armor break)

[sonic garnet]

ah

[still rock]

idk where its best to put splinter tho

maybe rake

[sonic garnet]

probably

maybe with spearfield since im also using it to aggrevate

[neat bison]

Yeah if you have room on it sure

[still rock]

rearm on spearfield is probably worth exploring as well

[neat bison]

I’m curious how a conc effect spear field would perform damage wise

If the spears hitting all at once count as 1 hit maybe that’s a big base dmg

[hollow galleon]

which unique type is better to invest in, armor, jewelry or weapon

[still rock]

armor

for chance at coming calamity

(8-9div rn)

[hollow galleon]

I see, there no good jewelry?

[still rock]

ill be honest idk the comparable value, i havent looked at the rogue exile chances but i know coming calamity is expensive, lol

[hollow galleon]

fair

[still rock]

switching from dance with death to a block % shield feels like when you grow up and have to accept your adult responsibilities

no more fun 😦

[neat bison]

One day we will have defensive options 🙂

and on that day I will dual wield maces like the Neanderthal I am

[tranquil raptor]

how can i play around lich ascension passive which locks your healing if you have energy shield? Sometiems I gain energy shield when I have like 5% left and it's guaranteed death from there because there's no way recover health anymore as if I would lose energy shield I would lose these 5% hp also

[neat bison]

Well, you don’t take it until you can sustain your ES I guess

[tranquil raptor]

but there's no early passives to take then, other passive just locks me out of skills if I dont have es

[still rock]

convalescence

[pearl sluice]

am I wasting nodes by going more into crit?

[still rock]

pob question

tbh

depends on the math

[tranquil raptor]

this skill usually locks me with 5% hp

[pearl sluice]

ok ty

[still rock]

would just plug in the options and compare dps values

[still rock]

just get more es

[neat bison]

Simply energize more shield

[still rock]

i see dudes w like 16k

nuts

[mellow yoke]

Is armor still ultra useless?

[still rock]

mostly yes

[neat bison]

Uh it might technically be better but yes

[still rock]

until they address the formula or rework it, it's not worth investing in unless you have a million of it

[neat bison]

^

It can get you through campaign very well but it falls off hard

[hollow galleon]

I mean, depending on ur build, there a lot of things that synergize with armor on passive tree, so for warriors having high armor will come naturally

[still rock]

tldr - ifg you plan onm investing in armor you arent taking anything else but armor

[mellow yoke]

Ran around with my armor capped warrior last season getting one shot by melee hits in maps so I got turned off playing it this season

[still rock]

ar/eva sucks, ar/es is slightly better just because it has es

[still rock]

smith with armor and 85% all res should be good theoretically

[mellow yoke]

Untill you do t15 maps and they hit u for 50k

After mitigation

[still rock]

tbf youre not getting hit with phys for 50k unless its a slam

[mellow yoke]

I’ll just leave warrior on the shelf untill they make armor viable

[still rock]

not a bad idea lol

lich es stack is tankiest we've seen yet

[mellow yoke]

Imagine being a warrior but u don’t use armor

Does not make sense

[neat bison]

Pretty orange dress is best armor 🙂

All the supplemental armor we don’t have like discipline and flasks really hurts

So ideally they get a rework out next league

[mellow yoke]

Just fix armor and we get a huge W

[still rock]

also - accessibler forms of pdr %

[neat bison]

True

[still rock]

because pdr % enables armor heavily

[mellow yoke]

Warriors have a lot of nodes that are good for/with armor so honestly can’t wait for whenever they rework it

[neat bison]

Yeah heatproof and the defend with 200% vs crits should be so juicy but you just die anyway

[still rock]

honestly just using the poe1 formula and simply adding more accessible pdr % would be enough but i'd prefer an entire rework on armor in so that it functions as an EHP boost for all dmg types

like a guard effect

[mellow yoke]

Yeah should be able to just stand in slams as long as it’s physical dmg but can barely live melee hits

[neat bison]

Ideally you can become tanky enough for unwavering stance to actually be an option

then slams fun

[mellow yoke]

To put it this way I feel 100x more tanky as full evasion huntress than I did with a warrior and on top of that my witch just ran around with like 15k ehp cosplaying a tank

[still rock]

so most poe2 players havent played poe1 long enough to experience this, but this was a problem in poe1 like... 5 or so yrs ago? and then they completely reworked the formula to be more player friendly

and by then there were so many forms of pdr % that it was even better

and determination became insane

seems like they arent learning from their own mistakes, is my tldr

[mellow yoke]

I mean I fully understand the issue and the difficulty of finding a long-term solution

[neat bison]

I don’t think they want to bring determination back tbh

[still rock]

we dont have auras yet at all

the only buff for armour is conditional on armour break which sucks

[neat bison]

Yea

[still rock]

for anyone wanting to be armour and not dealing phys dmg

maybe auras come with templar and changes some things, who knows

[mellow yoke]

Templar will be bussin

[still rock]

flail is conceptually really cool

they nailed the spear feel imo

aside from parry

[mellow yoke]

As soon as I saw the flail I knew what I’ll main

[neat bison]

Fuck Templar I just wanna spin man

I don’t vibe with the melee spear skills but I like the lances

[still rock]

cyclone probably swords axes id imagine

[neat bison]

Yep

[still rock]

im interested to see how they add in cyclone

[carmine flicker]

So ES by another name?

[still rock]

not sure, i havent thought about it enough, there would have to be something that would make it distinctly armor feeling without just basically being es

[mellow yoke]

Yea like take less dmg not be a mage and have a shield cover ur hp

[still rock]

i think something like how monk tanks function in wow would be intersting - turning hit damage into portioned damage that you can manage through active abilities

[mellow yoke]

Well armor in wow doesn’t work that well either after all these years but at least the classes that do use armor have alot of active mitigation that still make then really tanky

[carmine flicker]

In more ways than one
They re-did tons of issues they had and solved
Like EB converting ES to mana broke poe1 times ago and was remade
Like armour
Like maps being empty
Etc
They learned a lot tho and many things were done right from the start

[still rock]

agree

[mellow yoke]

Just don’t punish the zoomers by slowing the game down too much

[carmine flicker]

Against the vision or w/e
They can't decide if they want to move all players to poe2 or split player base between games depending on tastes
They really should make a decision finally and stick with it

[mellow yoke]

Poe1 is lightning mcqueen and poe2 is about to be this guy

https://tenor.com/view/pixar-cars-disney-lightning-mcqueen-mcqueen-gif-3279174693837693496

[still rock]

i think its more of a failure in biting off more than they could chew than an intentional decision - because their plan was to support both but obviously that isnt happening any time soon at the rate they expected

[mellow yoke]

Wrong gif

https://tenor.com/view/cars-movie-mater-aw-dang-dang-dang-it-gif-2382149005641120105

[still rock]

i wanted to explore armor with tactician basically getting 2x armor values for an ascendancy point but i feel like it needs a lot of investment to be any good

[carmine flicker]

So they must decide, ye
If they can support both or drop 1st part and make compromises in 2nd

[mellow yoke]

But it caps out at 90 so it’s not gonna so u any good later anyways

Should cap out at 99%

[still rock]

well it caps at 50% dr lol cause the node restricts past that

[mellow yoke]

Ow

[carmine flicker]

90% reduced damage is good cap
It let you tank any phys hit.. if you ever get to that cap
You will not

[still rock]

me being baited into ar/eva again

[mellow yoke]

I had that last season

[still rock]

im in t7s and feel relatively tanky at 2.2k life rn but we'll see how that goes

[carmine flicker]

You didn't

The 90% shown in ui is bullshit
It doesn't work that way

[neat bison]

Yea the estimated values in the character sheet aren’t helpful lol

[mellow yoke]

Bro I’m 1.6k hp with 81% eva I feel pretty tanky but I think it’s cause the mobs just die

[still rock]

my tankiness is mostly due to 48% block shield 😂

[mellow yoke]

I don’t use shield

[carmine flicker]

I felt tanky
Then random rare with those purple chaos homing orbs..

[mellow yoke]

Aha those

[carmine flicker]

One orb oneshotted my 4k life

[still rock]

volatile plants?

[carmine flicker]

Ye

Those

[still rock]

simply just move

[carmine flicker]

Can't do that when stuck in animation

[still rock]

mace users live reaction

[mellow yoke]

Lmao

Animation? What’s this? I play amazon

[carmine flicker]

Alao yeah
I do move..
But ONE mistake and dead with 4k life
Not fun at all

[neat bison]

When you trying to have fun and big GGG says +1.5 sec added attack time

[carmine flicker]

Yeah..

[neat bison]

At least they lowered it this patch

Baby steps

[mellow yoke]

Elevator music comes on every time u do an attack as warrior

[carmine flicker]

Then add support that give you life recoup based on attack time
Then add oneshots to every 4th rare

[neat bison]

They def need to rethink basic attacks doing so much damn base dmg

Wtf is that btw

When I’m trying to rake bleed but spear strike does double the dmg

[carmine flicker]

Rake is used for rakestomp only

[neat bison]

Yea

Didn’t stop me from trying

[carmine flicker]

Did stop you from succeeding

[neat bison]

Damn right

[mellow yoke]

Rake is also a great bleed applicator

[neat bison]

Now I am Zeus RP

[carmine flicker]

Spear, shield, 1000 str

Muscle man

[mellow yoke]

The fact that I could triple my attack speed by pressing parry broke every single mob and boss in the campaign for me

And u have like 300% movement speed with it

[carmine flicker]

At least someone use parry I guess

[neat bison]

It was fun on bosses until I got tired of it

Now hunters mark spam

[mellow yoke]

Ye why wouldn’t u? Most op levelling build in the game by a very very long shot

[carmine flicker]

Rakestomp easier

[mellow yoke]

Same thing

[carmine flicker]

Also I'm optimising my button usage
Less buttons used - better

[mellow yoke]

U press rake the animation cancel the rake with parry and u so more dmg with stomp even

U do 3 times more rakes

[carmine flicker]

Wow, didn't think of that

[mellow yoke]

And much more stomping

[carmine flicker]

That cancelled animation still cause stomp

[mellow yoke]

Also u fly like 999999m per sec across the zones

Just spam it like ur life depends on it big profit

[carmine flicker]

Wouldn't do that tho
Afraid to be banned

[neat bison]

If the bleed nodes on the tree didn’t make me depressed I probably would have stuck with it

[carmine flicker]

GGG ban for using game mechanics as written
(Still salty)

[mellow yoke]

For animation cancelling a skill with a different skill? Doubt that’s bannable

DS lily did it on stream throughout her whole campaign too

[still rock]

no they only ban for exploiting economy

never seen them ban outside of that

[carmine flicker]

Damn, they are tax police or smth?

[mellow yoke]

Yea

Lemme tell u I did not take movement speed from any source untill I swapped build at like lvl 56

[carmine flicker]

Need to try that on warrior

[mellow yoke]

Only thing is

[carmine flicker]

Will shield block animation cancel too?

[mellow yoke]

Rake can fixate on mobs in front of u

Idk just use 2nd weapon set or just make a huntress

[carmine flicker]

And here I am, I wanted to quit poe2
It's harder to do than I think, sorry
Look like you will have to tolerate me fpr another few weeks

[carmine flicker]

I like kitava

[oak hollow]

way too many rares have them and it's super unfun

[open brook]

what are the best ways to go about the whole str stacking Rake+stomp? Hulking form titan, blacksmith, witch hunter, ritualist, and amazon seem like good bets. I guess there is also a super endgame crit bloodmage even if that tree pathing sucks. I think you definately want the new Dance with death keystone right. Does anyone have any ideas thoughts?

[still rock]

smith probably best

dance with death is nice until you need shield to run high tier maps

[mellow yoke]

Are the 2 other warriors ascendancies still competitive with smith btw?

[still rock]

titan is really good

warbringer is situational

[open brook]

warbringer would not be good because your 3rd and 4th points arent very good for rakestomp

[carmine flicker]

Armour breaking is nice
Turtle charm always.. not bad

[still rock]

the negative armour break doesnt feel as good as it sounds it does to me

[open brook]

I do think you want dance with death if you go for a tankier class thoug

[still rock]

but free armour break in general is good

[carmine flicker]

Nah, not negative, just normal one, for 20% increased taken

[heady garnet]

negative armour break does almsot nothing

just take the free armour break below it

[carmine flicker]

Idk, it's nice
But I rather have either 90 rez or 90 block chance

[still rock]

what gives you max block

in poe2

i havent explored that too much

[carmine flicker]

Lucky block from svalin

70 lucky is 90

Or like 68 lucky

[still rock]

pob seems to think thats worse than my 48% block shield

[carmine flicker]

Well
First you need to bring block to max before lucky

(tons of blocks nodes)

[still rock]

yeah makes sense

[heady garnet]

renlys training my beloved

turtle charm my beloved

[carmine flicker]

But for rakestomp kitava still better imo

20% increased str
Nuff said

[mellow yoke]

@carmine flicker the only use for parry https://outplayed.tv/media/W1yZ1m

but I think either ur hands or ur keyboard will break in the long run

[carmine flicker]

I'm really protective of my keyboard
And hands
I guess I rather play summoner

0 button gameplay ftw

[mellow yoke]

well this is only 2 just gotta press them really fast

[still rock]

could just put parry on mb4

[mellow yoke]

yeah I have it on rightclick and q is what I always spam anyways

Its on left click too so I have other buttons to press sometimes

[carmine flicker]

So mouse wheel I guess

[mellow yoke]

lol

ye have to time it well tho

worst part is that when theres a nearby mob u just fly half a screen onto them as if the speed u already had wasnt enough

[carmine flicker]

I have broken mouse that think mousewheel is always going both directions

[mellow yoke]

I have 12k hours of WoW its not my first keyboard

[still rock]

playing a warrior in arena hurt my fingers more than any other game

i be mashin

[mellow yoke]

Just warrior in general

but if u dont press the button 50 times before its off gcd ur not a real gamer

[carmine flicker]

Well
Laptop
Hard to change keyboard

[still rock]

usb slots exist

[mellow yoke]

ye lets put the 17 inch monitor even further away

[carmine flicker]

Yeah
But more place on my table doesn't
Cat take it(place)

At least she know how to press spacebar or ctrl when I ask her
Kinda voice controlled input

[mellow yoke]

Just make sure hes not there when u do ur juiced t16 maps

[still rock]

my cat just runs back and forth really fast thats all hes good for

[carmine flicker]

My previous cat could farm uber Uber elder!

[mellow yoke]

Bro my cat is afk by the food bowl

[carmine flicker]

If I enter the arena ofc

I mean, my phone could farm uue
But cat looked more cute doing that

[high rivet]

i wish the thorns ignore armour node instead gave like, chance for thorns to break armour

i know that'd be crazy strong tho, just annoying to break armour as non-warbringer

[viscid yarrow]

Any fun builds to play in ssf, i wanna start the new patch finally

i heard sadge things of poe2 but we'll see how it goes

[still rock]

its fine just unbalanced

so if you want to play something bad it feels really bad

[high rivet]

yeah

[viscid yarrow]

would love to have an easier time, since i have a stressful work lol

if possible, not sure poe2 really gives u that tbf

i had a cruise time last during 1st patch with LA deadeye, classic lol

[still rock]

i think deadeye shockburst rounds thing is good if you want to stick to ranger

[viscid yarrow]

okies i will start researching for that haha ty

i do like ranged abilities, since im mechanically trash

[vast jay]

its not you (or at least not just you)... defenses are in an awkward spot.... it's safer to just aoe screens than try to survive things

[marsh saffron]

hi all, trying for a minion build, how do i scale my damage?

i know i need +minion skills wherever i can find it, and as much spirit as i can get.

is the "allies in your presence deal % increased damage" the go to here?

[still rock]

yes, added flat is good too

[vast jay]

yes allies in your presence... typically on scepter if yer witch

[marsh saffron]

which one is more important?

flat or %

[vast jay]

but the real minion scaling comes from finding synergies

[still rock]

ideally you have local spirit %, ally inc dmg % and ally flat

[vast jay]

for example, the old detonated dead/minion build they killed used high health brutes, and you killed your own brutes to do big damage by taking all minion-health nodes

[still rock]

the rest is contxtual afaik

[marsh saffron]

im using vaal guard spectres, any suggestions on what to pair with that?

[vast jay]

then there is arsonist flamewall, that summons tons of arsonists, and their projectiles go through flamewall... and get buffed by flamewwall

i dont know vaal guard spectres

sorry

im just saying, this is what you need to look for to scale minoin dmg.. look for synergy with some skill

[marsh saffron]

got it, cheers

[vast jay]

just popping out 5 minions and taking +mininon dmg nodes is not enough

[still rock]

https://maxroll.gg/poe2/pob/48da300s

from balormage

(for vaal guard spectre build)

[marsh saffron]

oh sweet, thanks

[high rivet]

ooh wait

if i used a cast on skill

like cast on ignite for example

what spell do you think would be good for using with splinter to break armour

[vast jay]

okay, does anyone know what is up with a unique strongbox minion constantly respawning?

[high rivet]

it respawns it 5 times

[still rock]

there arent any phys spells that would work well in CoX imo

[high rivet]

adds new mods

[still rock]

cant use boner storm cause channeling

but could try boner cage

[high rivet]

what about uh

[vast jay]

thanks.... i finally killed him enough 🙂

[high rivet]

warcry? or does that not count

[still rock]

not a spell

[high rivet]

dang

[burnt gust]

Lightning Rod damage has been increased by 30%, and their duration has been increased to 20 seconds.

Doesn't that skyrocket the idea of Thief's Torment into Rod spam with CoS +Ball Lightning?

[high rivet]

unearth could work too i guess?

maybe detonate dead

[still rock]

unearth does paper towel dmg

[high rivet]

i just need it to break armour is all

[still rock]

yeah but its based off the dmg

[high rivet]

true

[burnt gust]

Oh, I assume no because "max amount it can chain" is untouched.

[still rock]

makes sense

[queen escarp]

so im leveling a tactician rn and im looking at ripwire balistas cause i havent swapped too totems yet do yall think i could make it work with ripwire and then swap too artillery or should i wait till i get artillery then swap too totems

[pearl sluice]

my pob keeps saying I have a warning on th bottom and it says too many gem groups allocated max is 10? What is happening?

[still rock]

it means your allocating more skill gems than you can support, but it doesnt matter if youre just playing with things

[still rock]

artillery much better

[burnt gust]

we also have max arrows (20), so if you spam and exceed it, you delete one by creating one.

[high rivet]

is there something else i could trigger then, and not need splinter? can totems be triggered?

i might be triggering too often even if so

[queen escarp]

ye but could i make do with ripwire till i get artillery or are they just garbage

[still rock]

yeah it was obviously out of line by their standards to spam the chains on a thousand arrows

[still rock]

try it, i havent really used it tbf

[queen escarp]

aitait will

do

[still rock]

vuln?

[pearl sluice]

but I still have room for more lol in game

[high rivet]

i think vuln lowers their armour but doesnt necessarily break it

[still rock]

mark with single out?

[high rivet]

whats single out?

[still rock]

https://poe2db.tw/us/Single_Out

[burnt gust]

true

[high rivet]

oh wait

that actually might work

im doing physical damage

[still rock]

im planning on using it with CoShock but i havent seen a spirit gem in about 20 maps lol

[white pewter]

Anyone know what the common boss carry builds are right now? Have a javazon blaster and looking to make a bossing alt.

[high rivet]

only potential problem im seeing

is you can only have one mark right?

[still rock]

aye

[high rivet]

this would work if i didnt use a trigger still

so maybe cast on X isnt even needed

[still rock]

idk so far for me twister seems good single target with skill effect duration but im nowhere near pinnacles

like t10 rn

[high rivet]

oh wait

i could use snipers mark too xD

for more crit damage bonus

[high rivet]

you are genius btw

thx

[still rock]

np lol

[high rivet]

didnt even know single out existed

[still rock]

ees new

really good tho, glad they added ways to armour break outside of being warbringer

[polar zealot]

Is there any way to keep yourself on low life constantly

[high rivet]

i mean

this makes my jank thorn build

way smoother i think

1000% crit damage bonus with 100% crit chance here i come

[still rock]

reserve 25% life and use cowards legacy

[high rivet]

this'll primarily be used for bosses then

[high rivet]

this is exactly what im doin

its so good

low life being 35% in poe2 sucks

[still rock]

does any1 know if blocking a hit still counts as being hit for things that account for being hit recently?

[high rivet]

id assume so, but im not positive for poe2

thorns procs on blocking

[grim panther]

is it a bug that spear skill primal strikes 3rd hit consumes the "shock" state of an electrocuted mob? I played lightning merc last season and the quickfire lightning that pulsed on electrocuted mobs was not doing that

[still rock]

thats a good tell, ty

[lime aspen]

For first draught on my Lich, the mana regen seems obvious... but with the increased stuns, should i be taking that threshold instead?

[still rock]

i just go ele ailment threshold every time and go on w my life

more important this patch since they lowered our inherent threshold for ele ailment

[static torrent]

No, it's intended to do that. Different skills have different behaviours and the Ammo you're referring to doesn't consume Shock, but Primal Strikes does.

[high rivet]

the mark works, i think ill use freezing mark as i wont consume it

[still rock]

yeah it can be any mark

ill be using voltaic cuz shock but

doesnt really matter

[high rivet]

wait it says bloodhounds mark doesnt tick down while they're losing blood?

so if they're bleeding it just stays?

[still rock]

based on the wording that sounds correct

[high rivet]

i mean i basically always bleed them

so that'd be even better

[still rock]

as long as youre not bleeding them enough to proc the mark

[high rivet]

oh

hm

well its when they're killed

or heavy stunned

[still rock]

sounds good

[high rivet]

oh no

wait you're right

if they bleed enough it procs

[still rock]

ah

[high rivet]

but i could just reapply

ill have to test it

[halcyon solar]

How do you travel to Sekhemas if it's greyed out on the map?

[static torrent]

Use the Desert Map in town to go there, then grab the waypoint.

[high rivet]

is there any way to disable my ability to stun?

[halcyon solar]

oh the desert map at Asala... I'm so dumb and was thinkin about the map 😄

[halcyon solar]

ye, but it's the same thing there, it's still grey.

[frosty finch]

I got a question about this item, if i have 75% phys reduction with my current build and i had this, does this make me have 90% phys reduction or do i reduce 15% of the damage i would have taken ?

[halcyon solar]

can you simply walk there from Traitor's Passage or smth?

[static torrent]

Are you looking at the small diamond shapes next to the location? If you're not able to click on those, did you defeat Balbala and complete the Halani Gates zone?

[static torrent]

No, those two locations are not physically connected.

[polar zealot]

How does waist gate work with concoct? waistgate gives you two life flasks and concoct is the support gem that uses 20% of your max life flask charges on use to give you bleed magnitude

[halcyon solar]

it actually says use the map to travel there

[static torrent]

One sec, I'll check this in game

[halcyon solar]

i restarted the game and now i can get there

thanks for taking the time though ❤️

[static torrent]

Alright, glad that it has worked out 👍

[halcyon solar]

However my first character was completely locked out from there i had to jump through thousand hoops

[static torrent]

I did notice that none of the diamonds were highlighted in your screenshot, which was odd.

[halcyon solar]

and then in the end i had to create a new char before visiting there each time. it's not i'm totally green, i beat the pinnacles last season, but this time Trials are kinda cursed for me

Getting there i mean

[carmine flicker]

75% in ui does not mean 75
It's calculated depending on enemy hit
So first pdr ftom arnor is calculated then 15% is added

[frosty finch]

Gotcha

[carmine flicker]

Said you have 10000 armor and take 1000 hit
10k armour reduce 1k hot by 50% so 50% pdr, then add 15
You will have 65% in this exact case

[frosty finch]

Man, they need to buff this formula

[carmine flicker]

People keep telling them that

They did buff it tho
Was worse

[frosty finch]

Needing 10x the damage as armor to reduce just by half is fucked

"To mitigate 75% you need Armour equal to 30 times the Damage"

The fuck

[median kraken]

They plan to buff or possibly even rework armor, they're just still figuring it out

[still rock]

citation?

[carmine flicker]

It's twice as effective in poe1
Idk why it's so.. doing nothing.. in poe2

[still rock]

mostly curious where they said that so i can see it

[median kraken]

I think they said it in the ZiggyD Q&A after the update reveal

[still rock]

gotcha

i skipped thru it tbf

might have to rewatch

[median kraken]

It might have been a different thing, I forget. One of the podcasts/interviews

[still rock]

i still need to watch the interviedw form today but im too busy blasting and listening to music lel

[median kraken]

They said their plan is basically to have a meeting where they imagine they're designing armor from scratch without taking into account what they have now and see if they come up with something they like better than the current system

[still rock]

good

[frosty finch]

How is even 10k armour gonna do anything against juiced up white mobs

[carmine flicker]

So no sooner than 0.3

[still rock]

i would bet longer than that but yeah

[carmine flicker]

10k isn't much

[median kraken]

Armor's very weak right now in PoE2

[still rock]

but idk they seem very receptive to feedback with the past couple days of pings

[median kraken]

It's only good right now in PoE1 because there are way more sources of other phys mitigation that apply before armor, so you can shrink the hit and then the armor gets applied to the smaller hit

[carmine flicker]

After the clown fiesta that happened some hours ago for sure

[still rock]

what hapn

[median kraken]

There were parts of the interview today where Jonathan seemed a little resistant to some things but I think he was partly just communicating poorly and he actually apologized it towards the end of the interview. And the "what we're working on" post they just did had a lot of stuff that was basically directly addressing things from the interview

[still rock]

thats a good enough summation for me

[carmine flicker]

I mean interview, L in chat on everything Johnathan said etc

It was.. well
Fun

[median kraken]

A lot of the interview felt to me like Jonathan trying to explain why some problems were more difficult than the community seemed to think but expressing himself poorly and coming across as resisting feedback and doubling down on stuff, and then Mark kind of cutting in to do a much better job and explain that it was something they were working on or needed to discuss or even something he would fix right away

[carmine flicker]

Partially resistant?
More like "that's my Vision, and you shall obey MY order!"

[median kraken]

But my take on Jonathan's answers might be more charitable than a lot of the community who just got angry

As you can see from TwiceBorned's view on his answers above

[still rock]

i appreciate the nuance

[carmine flicker]

He wouldn't fix anything unless pressed into a corner

But he kinda was

[median kraken]

They also said this patch wasn't supposed to have made the campaign more difficult, it was just supposed to be a nerf to endgame, so it seems like some of the stuff was just a screw up. And that there were supposed to be more buffs in the patch, but they started working on nerfs first and then basically ran out of time before they got to buffs, which is why the patch was all nerfs and then buffs have been trickling in since

So basically this wasn't supposed to be a nerf fiesta making leveling awful like it turned out

[pearl sluice]

i just realized that accuracy stacking amazon might be a big trap...
We do not have increased damage per accuracy or flat damage per accuracy, witch means if you stack acc all you do is stack atk speed and critchance. critchance ends at 100% pretty early. And atk speed gets weaker the more you stack it (mana issues not included)
So....i might have to switch builds.

[still rock]

no

you get enough acc through a thousand different things to get crit capped insanely easily

[carmine flicker]

Imho all lies
They tried to see how much players would tolerate
They didn't
So they had to back down

[still rock]

not just stack accuracy past that

[pearl sluice]

Yeah thats the point, why go threw the hassle of acc to get crit capped-.

[median kraken]

Eh, I disagree, but that discussion's not gonna get anywhere

[still rock]

opportunity cost

[median kraken]

Because it's a lot easier than getting crit capped the normal way

[pearl sluice]

I mean it is rather easy i am 70% Crit chance in the campaign

[median kraken]

You're basically looking at it wrong. It's not the kind of stat stacker where stack a single thing as high as possible and it basically solves all your problems like strength stackers or mana stackers. It's just a build where you make your crit chance scale with two different things and that lets you cap crit way easier than normal.

[pearl sluice]

So you stack acc to a certain amount is that is? I mean i saw the math, a acc spear is like very high damage compared to add damage modifiers.

So no extra pathing to get more then 10k accuracy and no accuracy jewels and no accuracy radius jewels

You get the accuracy you get to get a good load of attack speed and 100% Crit and then you go for damage/survivabilty?

[frosty finch]

They should really buff armour nodes on the tree too

[median kraken]

Exactly. The crit mod just means you get enough acc to cap your crit. The other node just gives you a big boost to your base damage by using a spear with an acc mod and acc runes.

[still rock]

and by doing that you get a gazillion AS thru falcon dive

[pearl sluice]

I am not sure about dance with death. is 25% more skill speed worth not using a shield?

or scepter

[still rock]

its good until high tier maps

then block shield better

unless you like dying

[pearl sluice]

what about the "acc is doubled" shield?

[still rock]

just an easier way to hit your accuracy

good

[pearl sluice]

i probably wont need it by that time since i will allready have 100% crit

[median kraken]

It gives a lot of attack speed and reduces the investment needed to cap your crit

[median kraken]

Are you going by the in-game tooltip? I think it might be bugged and inaccurate.

[still rock]

but less investment in acc elsewhere means more damage and its a pretty decent block chance

[median kraken]

Specifically I think the in-game tooltip for the accuracy you get from that node might be 4 times higher than the actual amount, although I could be wrong

[pearl sluice]

i ask myself how pinpoint shot works with the accuracy crit ascendency

[burnt gust]

According to poe.ninja, more and more people tend to lean towards Deadeye for Galva+Shockburst instead of Amazon. Is it because Tailwind and +1proj is so good for Galva?

[still rock]

yes

basically

lol

[pearl sluice]

so poe ninja did cave in and make poe2 poe ninja=

[still rock]

cave in?

[median kraken]

Honestly, the real reason might be "Ben's playing it as a Deadeye"

But that might be why Ben's doing it

[still rock]

they had to wait for ggg to make character APIs

[burnt gust]

to my question? 😄

[still rock]

wasnt their choice lol

[pearl sluice]

i remember in 0.1.0 they said they wont make a ninja for poe2 since its to simple.

[still rock]

had nothing to do with their esistance to it

[rocky steppe]

whats the current best amazon build

[pearl sluice]

I think there is an elemental charge use build?

[median kraken]

Lightning Spear's most popular. Not sure if it's best

[pearl sluice]

Infuse weapon or what its called

[carmine flicker]

Spear is easy and aoe happy

[pearl sluice]

Evenso it first sounds like "less aoe" since half of the spears cant multi projectile, chain, pierce and so on

But in the end its more then enougth aoe if you get a source of charges.

[carmine flicker]

And you NEED good aoe yo not be swarmed and stunlocked in 1.5 seconds

[burnt gust]

I have 45 amazon and 50 deadeye and i am not sure if it is 5 level diff or the class but deadeye feels sooo good

[pearl sluice]

Bow Builds are perfected 10 years ago in poe...

thats just the thing

[still rock]

oh boy id love for some of you to experience poe 10 years ago without superlatives like that

lol

[carmine flicker]

Also will they finally fix temper weapon?
Cause now issues isn't with number of charges
But with fact that it's bugged and do literally 0 damage

[carmine flicker]

I did
And?)

[pearl sluice]

bow builds have an inherent advantage that just became stronger in poe2 since you can shoot and move.
You instantly deal damage beyond your vision. Its an incredible advantage over everything else.

and that was 10 years ago allready the same. (just that bow builds were even more squishy back then)

[carmine flicker]

Yeah, 1.3 was 10 years exactly

Yeah, wasd made bows stronger

Yet somehow melee is still weakest
Despite getting short end with wad

Like true stationary mace melee

[pearl sluice]

I mean....its like they devs dont play the game in that regard. Getting swarmed and ministunned is a thing that happens even to stranged. Maybe thats their way to FORCE us to use skillpoints to invest in stun trashhold.

ranged*

i was thinking about doing a melee lightning amazon. I have a companion that allways shocks.
But then i might use the "cant get light stunned" Keystone.

[high rivet]

does infernalists Bringer of Flame make ignites on enemies scale infinitely?

[lime aspen]

first time using a build that has Convalescence. Is there a way to make it passive? Or is it always a manual activate?

[carmine flicker]

It's a button

[high rivet]

thats not what they're asking

[high rivet]

pretty sure its always manual

[lime aspen]

gotcha, i will fit it into my rotation

[polar zealot]

is there anyway to increase the number of life recovered on the flask itself , life recovery from flasks on tree does nothing

[high rivet]

personally im not a huge fan of it

but its probably good

[polar zealot]

this quiver doesnt seem to take life recovery from tree into account

only the flat number on flask

[carmine flicker]

It kinda was
It's a button you have to press, can do nothing with that

[high rivet]

well its more cause its an aura that grants the skill

if it were a skill on its own, you could put it on a cast on X

its not as simple as "its a button"

[halcyon solar]

can you block with a shield while not raising it?

[high rivet]

warbringer or theres a unique shield that can

[static torrent]

You have passive Block if you have a Shield or Buckler, you don't need a specific unique or ascendancy.

(or certain base types on Quarterstaff, for instance).

[high rivet]

what does turtle charm do then? maybe its more different than i thought

[carmine flicker]

Let you block aoe

By default you can only block non-aoe attack

[high rivet]

oh so its kinda like acrobatics?

[carmine flicker]

Ye

[high rivet]

well i learned something, thats cool

[carmine flicker]

I damn uninstalled game and still there, answering questions...
Why am i doing that.. why..

[high rivet]

lol

did 0.2 piss you off? why'd you uninstall?

[carmine flicker]

Cause of bans
I wasn't in any way involved in that exploit
By banning for it(wasn't bug, in the end, just piss poor balance) made me uninstalled in principle

Like damn, it's ea

They banned people who were first to find it
And could find smth else cause they had mindset
Instead they are banned and won't beta test it more
That's stupidity imo

I was really afraid for some hours that if they banned for that, they could ban for anything resembling unintended interaction
And poe builds are ful of those often
So i was like "better be safe" and deleted

[static torrent]

For the duration of the league, and only because that was obviously an extremely overpowered interaction that was obviously unintended. It reminds me of something that happened back in Ultimatum, where some streamer was able to keep an Ultimatum going for ages and just farm endless amounts of loot from it, and ended up getting a league ban as well.

[polar zealot]

I do believe they were only banned for this current league

whether that means they can play standard , im not sure

[carmine flicker]

Was that ban from poe1 as well?

Cause i can't care less for poe2 ban
But don't want to be banned from 3.26

[static torrent]

'until the end of the current league' so probably not able to play in Standard, but will be free to play afterwards.

[polar zealot]

I do believe 0.3 will be a new league atleast

[static torrent]

Not sure if it also applies to PoE1, but again, you're very unlikely to get banned for any duration unless you're exploiting some insane interaction like this one for hours at a time, like some were.

[carmine flicker]

So yeah
Did panic for a bit

And re downloading poe2 isn't fast

[broken bison]

how to fix pob

[static torrent]

Not to mention that Mark2, one of the game directors, is known for using plenty of unintended interactions himself in his early days. They're not going to ban just because an interaction wasn't intended, only if it's as disruptive as this one was.

[carmine flicker]

That's precedent tho
That you can be banned for smth that isn't using bug

I didn't like that in principle

And Mark..
Quod licet Iovi, non licet bovi

[neon gyro]

it call setting example, better do it now in early access so ppl know their stand on that.

[carmine flicker]

Noone was punished for duping and instance crushing - literal bugs - in 0.1

[neon gyro]

and now they are.

[carmine flicker]

So bug using is ok
But not intended mechanics

Well
"Intended"

[neon gyro]

so they ban ppl abusing unintend mechanic now, it would be stupid if they dont ban ppl abusing bug later on (if it ever occur)

sure it can be unjustified now ( and i think it is), but i dont see why this is not a good thing

[quasi flint]

Im curious, is there any RF equivalent in poe 2 so far?

[carmine flicker]

Unjustified ban can't be good, lol

[carmine flicker]

No

[neon gyro]

it good if it prevent any further abusing

even if it intend mechanic

[carmine flicker]

Never believed in "making an example"

[neon gyro]

i mean, surely you can see how getting a mirror for doing nothing in a game like this can be inteded right?

[distant glade]

Ggg can ban whoever they want what’s the issue

It’s their game

[neon gyro]

i would worry more about how many of both intended and unintened bug would we discover further on this season, as we already see how "competent" GGG was these past week...

[carmine flicker]

1)they didn't break any rules or used any bugs
2)they did the expensive setup in a place in atlas you need to find
3)I will be banned there too if I continue that discussion, so yeah
(Was banned for like 2 minutes in poe2 channel for arguing about this or w/e)
Better drop it or do in pm

[neon gyro]

I said my piece. I dont want to be GGG defender haha

[carmine flicker]

Exactly
We 100% will find futher bugs and precedent was made

And idk what I want to play in poe2 anyway
Minions are shit
Str stack boring, if strong
Elemental sundering look fun, but probably weak

[neon gyro]

because surprisingly, the game is actually still fun, and very fun for some people...

[carmine flicker]

It's still poe

[neon gyro]

well, you can try and discover new build now

[carmine flicker]

And get my ban?)

[twin sierra]

wtf are u gonna get banned for lol

[gritty goblet]

My question is for making use of Spears, is there a preferred one, or unique, that is best in general. Just looking to set myself up with a bleed spear build and didn't know if bleed was even viable for the people not on warrior or huntress.

[carmine flicker]

(don't pay attention, I'm just salty and full of sarcasm, idk why that hit me so hard, but it did)

[heady palm]

Anyone got a decent use for the Ritualists life recovery ascendancy?
I really like the idea of a self damaging build, maybe even volatility, but it seems hard to build and not really powerful

[carmine flicker]

Bleed isn't really viable, period (for spear skills)
You need one really strong phys hit for bleed
And there are few good phys spear skills

[carmine flicker]

Probably some recoup stack self damage shenanigans

[open brook]

Do you always go cloak of flame when using witch hunter Sorcery Ward? otherwaise it still seems like gimping your phys/evade for a ele barrier?

[gritty goblet]

Not to ramble but I take this means bleed through other weapons would work then?

[heady palm]

Only way i’ve found to damage yourself is sacrifice and that doesn’t count as ‘damage taken’, so no recoup ;/

[twin sierra]

can argue whether banning them was right or not, but everyone doing it knew very well that what they were doing could get them banned. if ur unsure its not gonna get you banned. so theres no reason to be worried about getting banned or anything, if you find an exploit you will know if its abusive or not lol

[carmine flicker]

Armor do nothing anyway, so sacrificing it isn't that a big deal, imo
Nut sure about eva

[carmine flicker]

May be for sunder forced crit build?
But not sure
And sunder is ass to use

[gritty goblet]

Ah, just seen a lot of bleed spear builds with them stabbing out of the ground as an AoE attack. Seemed to be strong but didn't know if it was Huntress pilled.

[fiery jolt]

can anyone help me with identifying what the best method to apply shock on bosses will be for a xbow or a bow build, the plasma bolt skill seems to be gutted

on xbow and storm caller arrow seems to be struggling

[carmine flicker]

If you mean rake - it's not bleed build

[gritty goblet]

I do mean rake yes and the builds I've seen use it for that purpose with other skills/perks

[pliant badger]

Herald of thunder has AoE tag but concentrated effect doesnt increase it's damage according to pob/tooltip but it's a recommended gem. Is it a bug or do the lightning bolts that actually do the damage not count as area damage?

[carmine flicker]

Rake builds that wasn't rakestomp?
Interesting

[gritty goblet]

That's what I'm saying, I'm just trying to be not lightning spear at least

But if lightning spear is the best I might just have to

[carmine flicker]

Did you try lightning warp?

[gritty goblet]

Unless there is another way to use spears overall, the only element that sounds neat is bleed atm (imo)

[carmine flicker]

Rake have horrible DE, idk how can it bleed for anything remotely good

[gritty goblet]

I'd have to resend the video but it was being used in maps

[carmine flicker]

Well
I know at least 4 ways to use spears

[fiery jolt]

that happens to enemies about to be culled right , i want to apply it on bosses. for mobs galvanic shards work fine to apply shocks. it is the bosses where am struggling.

[carmine flicker]

You can detonate ball lightning

[fiery jolt]

did not know that, will try it

[steady flint]

Is there any consistant ways of going low life without going Lich/Infernalist? Any item setup or something?

[carmine flicker]

So yeah
1)rakestomp. Boring. Works.
2)on hit effects(some supports) with quick 6 hits attack
3) lightning spear, nuff said
4)radiant sundering(all screen fire aoe)

[carmine flicker]

Remove all life regen, set up skill with life cost, drop your life to low
Done

[gritty goblet]

Trying to get off quarterstaffs to not use lightning, ends up with lightning spear, dammit.

[carmine flicker]

Try radiant sunder

It look neat at least

[gritty goblet]

I do like the sound of fire everywhere

I'll report back later with progress on my radiant sunder gemling

[carmine flicker]

You just need to grab presence nodes tho

Between warrior and templar

[steady flint]

Afaik there is only an amulet that can do this yeah?

[carmine flicker]

Presence area I mean

[carmine flicker]

Do what?

[static plinth]

Did they talk about Inhibitor on stream or anything?

[dreamy bridge]

the support? yeah they talked about a way to disable charge consumption

[old oriole]

please can someone tell me if corrupted blood from this unique is weak or not?
because 50% of hp isn't a lot by endgame

[gritty goblet]

@carmine flicker https://youtu.be/2m2iMiYmEqg?si=wIP71Sh7O2FsyYbG (Just to not sound crazy, this is just one video I took my build idea from, watch 2:03)

[pallid wigeon]

Is Elemental Sundering good? Anyone ripping bosses, arbiter, T16 maps with it?

[carmine flicker]

It's clear skill, not bossing

[carmine flicker]

It stack up to 10

[old oriole]

10 what?

[carmine flicker]

10 stacks of corrupted blood

If you keep blocking that many times

[old oriole]

well then it is good, but what about bleed in general i use rake rn, but sometimes i feel like my dmg isn't enough and bloodhunt, well that does nothing

[carmine flicker]

People said rake bleed is doing smth
Idk myself

[old oriole]

you any ideas to make my damage more aoe or just any strong skill that deals more dmg if there's bleed?

[carmine flicker]

You want bleed build ?
Cause blood mages are good bleeders

[old oriole]

i want bleed + spear

[dreamy bridge]

I used incision + twister/whirlwind slash for bleed

incision frees up a support in exchange for passive points

or swap lacerate for the incision support

[old oriole]

okay

[dreamy bridge]

for one gigableed I don’t know for sure which spear to use. it’s either maxed whirlwinds, rake, or rapid hit once the hotfix comes

[carmine flicker]

Rake isn't that big hit tho

[distant glade]

Best deadeye build ? Lightning crossbow ?

[old oriole]

can i somehow make blood hunt consume corrupted blood and inflicts bleed?

[sterile sierra]

Anyone got a good lich build? Running chaos totem atm But slot of buttons

[dreamy bridge]

could look at the unique spears if you don’t mind spoiling yourself. I’m not aware of any that do that tho

[sonic shuttle]

Can I unsocket the support gems from the corrupted skill gem?

[old oriole]

my end point is that i want to keep corrupted blood and bleed without too much efforts

[carmine flicker]

Wdym spoiling yourself?

[dreamy bridge]

for more info, the only things you cannot do to corrupted gems is add quality and add links. anything else is free game

[dreamy bridge]

some people don’t want to know what the new uniques do until they drop it themselves. myself included

[carmine flicker]

Really strange

[sonic shuttle]

okay, just to check, can I level up a corrupted skill gem?

[dreamy bridge]

yes

[sonic shuttle]

great

thanks

[dreamy bridge]

if the corruption levels up the gem, it’ll stay even if you level it

[old oriole]

wait so bloodhunt does more damage that the bleed bar itself?

[dreamy bridge]

bloodhunt basically gives bleed damage more mileage. you get more damage per bleed technically

[old oriole]

wdym per bleed? there is only bleed which does stack(right?) and corrupted blood only right?

[wet raptor]

I know spear leveling gets asked a lot about but. With recent changes in mind and also controller play style with least possible amount of combo play style which spear skills/build are powerful now for a smooth leveling experience? As a huntress.

[distant glade]

Rake

[hollow galleon]

what is the best mace skill to stun consistently?

[distant glade]

Bosses or mobs

[hollow galleon]

either

[distant glade]

Mobs = leap slam

[hollow galleon]

yeah saw DM doing leap slam, not sure about boss

[distant glade]

I use earthshatter

[crystal slate]

Hey guys! If you take avatar of fire as a blood mage who can inflict bleed with ele dmg. Will the bleed still do dmg?

[hollow galleon]

oh yeah leap slam, then leave them primed for stun -> earthshatter....so that is for boss too then?

[distant glade]

Never tried leapslamming a boss to stun , it might work but I have no idea. I just use earthshatter and blow up with cries. Once stunned seismic + infernal cry and drop hammer

Boss dead

[static plinth]

No, the bleed still deals physical

[dreamy bridge]

the whirlwind slash + twister combo. it's the most consistent one imo

[static plinth]

So I cant know for sure that Inhibitor works for this, but what do y'all think of this

[wet raptor]

It feels terrible in act 1. It was bugged and later fixed is it still so good?

Takes a long time to do several whirlwind, cast frost bolt then tornado with such low attack speed early

[north pivot]

What Beast Auras are good for Tame Beast? Some say Haste is not worth it?

[hybrid ocean]

Anyone know whether mind phylacteries works with this?

[dreamy bridge]

I just did 3 slashes -> twister then repeat. martial tempo helps a lot, and persistence on twister is a bonus

[static plinth]

It wouldnt, cast on charm use needs charges to actually be consumed

Any way you avoid it will make it do nothing

[hybrid ocean]

Yeah, figures

Still potentially useful though

[wet raptor]

Damage just seemed so low last I tried which was right after the bugfix

[hybrid ocean]

Since you can use it to proc charms at partial charge

[wild sleet]

Why does impale only work with weapon hit and not any hit.

I am missing so much damage

[dreamy bridge]

probably to keep it from being busted or to keep it the same as poe1 impale. I also want it to proc on non-bonestorm hits for the sake of my blood mage

[hybrid ocean]

Pretty sure the intent is for you to use it with minions

[wild sleet]

Also what is the fastest attacking minion?

[hybrid ocean]

Given that it's its own sort of ailment, do you reckon impalement counts as the type of damage that triggered it for the purposes of meta gems?

Wondering if I can get energy from implement caused by a spell triggered by the skill I'm generating energy for

Seems likely, but not trivially obvious

[wild sleet]

Yeah, bonestorm sucks without having the ability to extract impale. They replace the damage buff from it

More like less good but it loses it damage buff

[celest oxide]

Spearfield/Rapid Assault buffs seems interesting

Amazon for that too, probably?

[mystic osprey]

so is bleed or elemental better for amazon?

[hollow galleon]

where can I find where all the new uniques drop?

[static plinth]

Pretty sure every single one is a world drop

[static torrent]

Outside of any boss uniques, most are random drops and don't come from any specific sources.

[hollow galleon]

I've noticed some new uniques dropping more in Dawn of Hunt than standard.

[steady breach]

thast just rng

[static torrent]

^^

[halcyon solar]

Does that Flame Ritual in Azak Bog actually have any purpose?

[static torrent]

It gives you additional Fire Resistance and Item Rarity (iirc) while you're in the zone, it can help with the boss fight.

[upper viper]

Does adding maim/culling stripe, help in anyway with bleed on rare mobs. I am having a blast with normal and some magic. But bleed and ignite, falls short on the rares

[static plinth]

Wack

[hollow galleon]

I mean, not sure. Going by the marketplace - I see some new uniques only in Dawn of Hunt, not in Standard.

[static plinth]

Thats cuz they're rare and most people arent playing standard

[static torrent]

Because most players are playing in the league.

[hollow galleon]

Sure, but a lot of ppl are still playing standard too, but fair enough.

[dusk star]

I was thinking rapid assault + volcanic eruption, according to pob I can reduce his CD enough to trigger it 5 times per second

[timid aurora]

Is Chrono dead

[celest oxide]

That could be cool

How are you gonna detonate?

[dusk star]

explosive spear maybe, frenzy charges can be obtained by volcanic eruption if u have "projectiles dmg builds pin" from tactician with combat frenzy

[halcyon solar]

Are Witch minions also companions?

guess not

[dusk star]

nah, only the hellhound, Rhoa mount and tame beast if I remember right

[static plinth]

Manifest Weapon too, i think

[surreal iris]

I'm not sure where else to ask this but do increased global defenses apply at the end of calculation, effectively working as a multiplier or is it the same as increased?

[static plinth]

Its the same as increased

Its basically just %Inc Armour+Evasion+Energy Shield

+Ward, if that ever gets added

[surreal iris]

tyty

[static plinth]

Can you make Cadence plateau?

[old rune]

Help, been following a buildguide for crit tornado amazon. Been doing really well in T6-8 maps already, can't decide for 3rd ascendancy. It's between penetrate, mystic harvest and In for the kill

any suggestions?

[shy lantern]

does elemental dps on a weapon matter for bleed huntress or can i just sort by highest physical dps on trade site?

[distant glade]

Elemental damage = less bleed damage

[shy lantern]

thx, ill just look at the physical dps stat then

[slow hearth]

is LA any good in 0.2? im in act 2 atm in hcssf but cant find any builds for the new patch, unless nothing changed?

[patent shell]

u know what fuck spear skills i switch to maces XD

its insane how strong this shield is and how easy it is to get 75% blockchance all u need to do it use glancing blow

also this boots give u 10% base block which is also extremly nice

[pulsar fern]

Does anybody know if the Rapid Assault explosion damage is added up as a single hit for each spearhead (eg for bleed calc)?

[fallen dune]

Can anyone playing as a kitava warrior answer a question for me? The fire magic passive in melee combat is not activating.

[radiant wraith]

https://youtu.be/Mm8GevYxAIc?si=-4zBLnmEJMCI0U60

Is this good enough guys ?

[carmine flicker]

You mean kitava, not warbringer?

[fallen dune]

That's right, I got confused.

So, this fire magic skill is not activating. I don't know if it's a bug or if it has the conditions to be activated.

[static plinth]

Temper Weapon?

[distant glade]

I don’t think I would ever click this node

[static plinth]

It was better when block/spell block were separate

[wintry timber]

Does anyone have an opinion on the their favourite/best build sites? I’ve been using Maxroll, but there is literally one levelling & endgame build for my Mercenary.

[old shuttle]

does dmg as extra affect the initial "hit" of Decompose

[patent shell]

well as a smith of kitava u are extremly tanky with 1k life regen and 4k hp pool + 90% max all res so having 50% less blockchance but 90% MORE dmg is always a good trade

as a titan u would do 7million damage with perfect strike and aftershock ( aftershock triggerchance =56%)

those numbers are totally busted and unfair compared to spear skills XD unless anyone can show me a spear build with same damage and tankiness

[rugged oxide]

does "extra chaos damage" mods like unholy might increase damage of essence drain DOT? It doesn't feel like it increases it. But just wanted to throw it here to confirm if someone knows

[carmine flicker]

well
what weapon and skills do you use?

[distant glade]

It doesn’t increase dot dmg

[hoary bolt]

it should

I know it works for gas arrow

DoT

[old shuttle]

too different to know though. cause "as though" is jank as fuck

but from testing it seems as if it is the case

[swift estuary]

Mouse over the in game text for 'extra' and it tells you that this effect does not influence DoT damage

[proper socket]

https://mobalytics.gg/poe-2/profile/4c06a4df-2674-4ba4-849a-f40cfb47cdd3/builds/a5696f81-0687-41b2-9c56-8a5cbc04fd3c

Looking for critique on my build plan

[quartz bobcat]

anyone know how perfect strike-barbs-crackling barrier interact?

does barbs snapshot the thorns from crackling barrier on release for one, all or no hits?

[distant glade]

Cracker barrel?

[quartz bobcat]

cracker barrel, yep

[upper viper]

While wielding a spear, i can only have a shield ?

[proper socket]

you can use any off hand

[upper viper]

its just showing red whenever, i guess that is skill related then ?

[proper socket]

interesting 🤔

[upper viper]

yeah, its related to skills

dammit

[dawn spire]

Hold alt and click on the spear keyword (hover over your spear to find it)

And maybe the scepter, too

It should say what you can wield with it

Oh, I see

[upper viper]

Hmm, i am doing lotta dot so just wanted something to help with that

i deal corrupting cry, lotta bleed and ignite damage

[dusty kiln]

how does overcharge work if i put it on a totem? does it still shock me? or the totem?

[upper viper]

does Cast on Block. i Guess that is spells yeah 😄 ?

[quartz bobcat]

hmm does %as extra x damage affect thorns?

[upper viper]

Nope

"throns is not attack not spell damage and is not affected by modifiers to those"

[woeful tinsel]

Hi guys, got a fun build I'm running but need help figuring out a good option for single target bossing. Right now I'm doing explosive spear/spearfield. At act 2 normal end. Mobs clear is super reliable right now, and boss damage is ok, but I could probably do something much better. I've been doing the spear rush right now and then throwing a couple explosive spears but it really feels slow since I'm fire and not bleed. Any thoughts on what could be a solid single target option? Damage on my tree is fine

[upper viper]

You have kinda the same problem i do, i just do bleed + Ignite/fire damage 😄

im still itching my brain

[woeful tinsel]

Oh yeah lol, didn't read up haha

I've found some rotation of shield bash, fire spear

[upper viper]

im doing rake + infernal cry with corrupting cry

and hobble support

[woeful tinsel]

I think eventually spear of solaris is the answer

[upper viper]

Yeah, that gonna be my bosser too. With my plans on fire damage

Need to socket hareld of ash to see how that works as well with my setup

[woeful tinsel]

I'm a warrior rolled spear so I was thinking I could put a two handed mace in alt gear and just go in on perfect strike for it

[upper viper]

Haha yeah, im warrior too. And was thinking the same

But i want to keep my main damage Bleed and ignite

[woeful tinsel]

Yeah, I'm surprised you're going double ailment instead of just one. Any reason?

Just because its early levels?

[upper viper]

I want to try and get it into mapping as well.
But i do it outta pure joy of watching the life go down, with almost no hitting

[woeful tinsel]

Herald of ash with explosive spear is great. I run the support gem that lets you throw two spears out. When the first pops it triggers the second too and you get a massive explosion that usually triggers a full wave clear with ash

I specced into Area effect/area damage

You can just run through and chuck spears along the way

[upper viper]

Yeah, i was hoping to socket fire infusion into hareld of blood and have that help trigger ash

[woeful tinsel]

whole screen explodes

Didnt they remove heralds triggering eachother

[upper viper]

yeah i get screen explodes with infernal cry + hared of blood atm

[woeful tinsel]

Or was that only ice/lightning

[upper viper]

Good question, imma have to find the section for that.

Could be lucky they didnt think about herald of blood <_<

[woeful tinsel]

Yeah looks like because its just phys it should be fine

[upper viper]

Yeah, i might get lucky!!

[static plinth]

None of the new uniques help Doryani's Prototype right?

[upper viper]

Mh, doesnt seem like it.

[low egret]

Hey all. I can really use some help with my monk. I feel weak and everything is very difficult. I think my frost leveling build and itemization may be the issue

[tulip fog]

have anyone tried if this modifier on "trail of caltrops" skill is affected by flat thorn damage on gear? or is it ONLY affected by % increases/reductions?

[static plinth]

Its only affected by % increases and reductions

It would specify if it was affected by flat damage o ngear

[steep solar]

Question, I want to make a thorns build with warrior, but I don't know what ascendancy to pick. Can I block all hits with shield (like Turtle Charm ascendancy node) from the start?

[carmine flicker]

Wdym fron the start?

You need either node or wailing wall shield