2┃build-planning

[drifting cedar]

low life helm makes me want to actually play a witchhunter again

[celest oxide]

I'm leaning Amazon or Ritualist still

[drifting cedar]

but the ceiling on witchhunter is kinda low

[celest oxide]

What's the lowlife helm

[dreamy kindle]

how good is lich

[drifting cedar]

witchhunter is pretty nice for 1st character though

enemies in presence count as low life

[celest oxide]

I think I'm leaning towards

[drifting cedar]

the deepest guard? the deepest door? something like that

[candid otter]

downside is dying from one melee

mob

[drifting cedar]

this is true

[candid otter]

7k elemental barries is nice though

[celest oxide]

Amazon/Ritualist just for something new + idk how to build so the new class will probably have a lot of people posting different build ideas

[drifting cedar]

maybe spear witch hunter will be nice idk. has some potential i think

really waiting on swords

[celest oxide]

Spear Witch Hunter sounds fun too though

[candid otter]

Bleed should be interesting

[celest oxide]

Mostly just wanna try spears I think

[swift aspen]

Base damage reduced, projectile damage equalized and higher low-end 🤷🏼‍♀️

The projo damage is the important part

[candid otter]

https://poe2db.tw/us/Dark_Pact#DarkPactSkillGemDarkPact This is still a kinda funny skill

Explode yourself lol

But we need to lifestack lich

[celest blaze]

looks like the mana situation will be a bit better with Ancestral Warrior Totem. (13–98) instead of (13–120) at level 20, but at level 40 it's stil a whopping effing 765 mana cost

Is there a trick to seeing the previous 1-40 chart somewhere?

[drifting cedar]

I think temper weapon has a lot of potential for heavy stunning + glory building enough to reliably get your glory spender off in one rotation against bosses

[swift aspen]

typically at the bottom of poe2db or the wiki

they'll post previous versions

[slender furnace]

I think you're going to have an extremely bad time stopping to temper constantly

[drifting cedar]

who says im going to do that

im going to temper and infernal cry when I fight bosses

[slender furnace]

Then why would you pick that node?

[drifting cedar]

I can clear trash without 2 ascendancy points

[celest blaze]

by projectile you mean "shrapnel". Hrm, yeah I got turned around a bit.

[drifting cedar]

will probably struggle on bosses without any damage ascendancy points

[celest oxide]

What’s the duration of temper weapon?

[slender furnace]

And when you aren't one shotting pinnacles?

[slender furnace]

4 max attacks

[celest oxide]

wait

tf

????

[swift aspen]

that's my bad

[celest oxide]

what's the point even

[slender furnace]

Yeah it's trash

It does a lot of extra damage but the mechanic is garbage

[tranquil star]

Everything I see of this patch pushes me more and more towards shotgun

[celest blaze]

the only real reason for it would be before a Hammer of the Gods or somethign if you had time to setup

it seems like a waste of ascendancy points honestly what with the Bonk TIme

[drifting cedar]

the point is to bank a bunch of damage before walking into a boss room

or during a boss phase

[lunar rampart]

good evening everyone 🙂
Is there any chance to preload the new patch in order to be ready at 9 PM ?

[tranquil star]

Not sure if I want shotgun witchhunter or deadeye, I like the theme of witchhunter a lot

[celest oxide]

Tactician sounds cool to me tbh but I don't see anyone theorying for it

[celest oxide]

What skill?

[slender furnace]

I'll probably play tactician in group play

[tranquil star]

fragmentation / galvanic rounds

[slender furnace]

But I think its ass for solo

[celest blaze]

projectiles are very important also, we'll see.

[drifting cedar]

we just need dominating blow in poe 2 and tactician will have a very complete build there

but I think it will be pretty good for minions in general

[tranquil star]

I love the feeling of getting up into an enemy's face with a big shotgun and just kablammo, all the shards at once into a big 800% hit.

[desert socket]

did they change the pathfinder ascendancy tree? im seeing different tree on maxroll vs poe2db

[slender furnace]

Not using scepter in minion build i think is rip

[slender furnace]

They changed everything pretty much

[swift aspen]

how bad did they nerf presence? is like a third of the screen now?

[tranquil star]

It's like warrior melee if warrior melee was fun

[drifting cedar]

yeah you'd have to go SRS heavily I think

[slender furnace]

6 to 4 iirc but someone correct me if wrong

[drifting cedar]

to make use of the 50% reduced buff node

[swift aspen]

cuz if presence is gutted, i could see someone rethinking sceptre

[tranquil star]

And with crossbow buffs, I'm going to be eating well

[swift aspen]

cuz my ass be sprinting around, never by my minions

[drifting cedar]

presence is 4 meters now instead of 6

[swift aspen]

headless chicken style

if I gotta dump a bunch of points into nodes or pick up subpar gear just to get presence to hit my minions, that kinda sucks

but if you need sceptre for free minions i get that

[neat bison]

Well there is a increased presence and spirit cluster

It’s like 10% spirit 30% presence

So that helps

[swift aspen]

4m + 30 = 5.2

and that's some pathing westward to pick it up

though you'll be on that neck of the woods anyway for some of the damage/life nodes most likely

or the chaos dmg south of it

[neat bison]

10% spirit is the highlight there anyways

So it’s just a nice bonus

[swift aspen]

i'm just saying the presence nerf could raise some questions on the value of a sceptre

[neat bison]

Sure I don’t disagree

[swift aspen]

if it makes screen-wide presence difficult/unlikely

depending on playstyle ig

[neat bison]

I think getting quality on something like discipline is also pretty nice tho

Is it better than the spirit it used to give? Maybe not

[drifting cedar]

itll all just be math right

if a big 2h mace + 25% of it as phys is better than a scepter, people will do it

[blissful lintel]

they still give hella spirit though? and there are gonna be presence nodes on the tree too right

[slender furnace]

I just want to know if the damn tactitian weapon node is going to work on totems...that really matters a ton lol

[swift aspen]

totems are considered allies

but...you gotta be within 4m 🤣

[neat bison]

Quality giving extra spirit was a bug, it was supposed to quality the skill like wands/staves. so yeah they’ll still give spirit just less

[drifting cedar]

they are allies but with totem snapshotting, who knows man

[slender furnace]

Yes but similar things don't work currently on totems...i.e allies in presence mods on scepters....but the node has SLIGHTLY different wording

[drifting cedar]

they might technically count but still not get the damage

[slender furnace]

Iirc its "adds xxx" versus "gains xxx"

[drifting cedar]

but totems fully just snapshot on spawn right?

i dont know if they can get any temporary buffs at all

[slender furnace]

Im not sure tbh on snapshot tbh...but this wouldn't be temp, it's presence

[swift aspen]

that's intersting, didn't think that was the case

that would definitely kill totem play

[drifting cedar]

they have to so you can use totem sticks

for weapon swapping to work i mean

idk how far it goes though

[celest blaze]

realized I can compare against PoB

Molten Blast 0.1 at Level 40
30% less attack speed, 519 mana, 828% base projectile damage, shrapnel 662%

Molten Blast 0.2 at Level 40
15% less attack speed, 340 mana, 1176% base projectile damage, shrapnel 1176%

So, uhhhh, not a nerf lol

[swift aspen]

ah they upped the scaling on gem levels

maybe my stat stacker molten blast will rise again

i really loved it in .1

I ran giant's blood with the shield that doubles your accuracy

i think i had like 7K acc or something

the attack speed was stupid

i just spun and flung

and you step forward, so it became a movement ability lol

[deft osprey]

https://poe2db.tw/us/Dawn_of_the_Hunt_uniques

Uniques

[swift aspen]

PREESH

[drifting cedar]

lots of empty uniques in there 😦

[swift aspen]

it doesn't look like it's updated

[celest blaze]

I'm not sure I'll be able to take full advantage of all that goodness as Ancestral Warrior Totem. At least in the UI, it doesn't look like the +melee skills get added to the MB skill gem itself when it's not the main gem, maybe?

I feel like the level 21 skills is the one that will matter for AW totem purposes, unfortunately

[deft osprey]

It’s updated just not fully

[swift aspen]

ah so you're throwing it onto ancestral totem

[deft osprey]

Last night there were 17 uniques in there

[swift aspen]

i missed that part

[celest blaze]

this as Amazon might be amazeballs

[deft osprey]

They’re adding descriptions it seems

[swift aspen]

a lot of the accuracy was sourced outside of the weapon though

on weapon you need to focus on DPS and ele dmg

not a lot of room for accuracy, so passive node on amazon won't be exploited as much

I feel like bows would be really good for that accuracy node

[drifting cedar]

oh boy prism guardian health stacking for spirit

[celest blaze]

not that ascendancy, allll the other ones

Notably the "excess chance to hit is added to your base crit chance"

[drifting cedar]

that might be a thing to look at for tactician summoner

[swift aspen]

ah yeah

[drifting cedar]

since he also gets str > minion dmg

[swift aspen]

it's a 12.5% cap

not a bad base add

[celest blaze]

it's worth noting that both Falcon Dive and Falcon technique took a nerf hit though

[swift aspen]

they did indeed

[celest blaze]

hrm, is it? I missed that somehow

[drifting cedar]

you what

[celest blaze]

as well as, you know, all stat stacking in general getting nerfed

[swift aspen]

chance to hit caps at 150%; 50/4=12.5

[deft osprey]

wait what’s that

[drifting cedar]

new spear

[deft osprey]

That’ll be useful in my bleed chrono

[drifting cedar]

I was thinking its much more useful for ignite builds

as a weapon swap

[autumn hawk]

ayooo tabula rasa XD

pretty good to fix res for leveling

[exotic kraken]

any community build spreadsheets sexy men?

[swift aspen]

can't wait for it to have 0 armor so i can put six increased armour runes in it

then sell it for 10K divines on the site

[autumn hawk]

O.o u right!

[drifting cedar]

wonder what soul mantle will do

[autumn hawk]

I see atleast 4 new belts so hopefully they can make it so Ingenuity isn't BIS any more

[verbal lava]

will all wands come with spirit now? they nerfed several spirit related items

[cobalt pollen]

new bleed clusters near what I did in pob

feelsgood

[swift aspen]

only technique was nerfed; dive was fixed for offhand speed

[drifting cedar]

im not sure ingenuity is bis anymore anyway

[swift aspen]

so falcon dive still works like a champ for that build

[drifting cedar]

i mean its still good

[dawn spire]

If anyone links a build and advertises it as anything more than "a nifty idea" I'd be sus

[swift aspen]

but does your attack speed affect your minions/totems?

[celest blaze]

hot damn it's nice to find another molten blast enthusiast

[drifting cedar]

looks like there are cold base damage spears

[swift aspen]

yeah molten blast was my play in 0.1

and i really really enjoyed it

[drifting cedar]

oh dude wtf

[dawn spire]

Something that big would probably have been mentioned in the patch notes. I'd bet it's a datamining error

[swift aspen]

it's so satisfying dropping a perfect blast and watching the shrapnel oneshot

[exotic kraken]

huh

[celest blaze]

great stuff. Were you basing your build sort of on this guide-ish? https://mobalytics.gg/poe-2/builds/molten-blast-deadeye-fastaf

I think i saw another informal one on a forum somewhere that I was intrigued by also

[swift aspen]

or just spamming it and watching things melt

mine looks nothing like that tbh

[celest blaze]

I did Molten Blast Ancestral Warrior Totems with the Gemling Legionnairre ascendany, it was pretty busted

[drifting cedar]

soul eater is nuts

[exotic kraken]

i know im confused why its without any negatives

[dawn spire]

Did soul eater get nerfed for players, too?

[dawn spire]

It's got 50% inc attribute requirements

[celest blaze]

cool i wasn't impressed with the details of that build

Ricochet in peraticular seems like a mistake

[exotic kraken]

for the item itself or global?

i dont see that as a big negative

[drifting cedar]

global i assume

[dawn spire]

I think just the item, but I'm not sure

[drifting cedar]

it is worded like it'd be the item but i feel like it should be global to be balanced

[naive violet]

So lich smith and gemling are suitable for summoner yes

[dawn spire]

Reduced attribute requirements is a local mod, isn't it?

[naive violet]

or how

[exotic kraken]

yeah in poe1

[naive violet]

and companions node...
i completely losted

[dawn spire]

And tactician, warbringer, chronomancer, infernalist, maybe ritualist

[swift aspen]

mine was 2h mace with max dps/skill lvl/ele dmg, Lycosidae shield for double accuracy, and just a bunch of yellows so i could focus on maxing skill level and accuracy

[naive violet]

thanks
well i await build from ghazzy

[mental basin]

Just don't put your....

[swift aspen]

with the shield i corrupted for increased block so that I could cap block without a ton of investment

[drifting cedar]

find some mob to make into a companion that attacks 30 times per second and go tactician with a big 2h mace

[swift aspen]

2 late

[indigo dove]

yo, can an attack that consumes bleed be supported by a support that also consumes bleed? will it consume for both gems or just the attack? same goes for 2 consuming support gems

[swift aspen]

usually it says explicitly in the support gem whether or not that kind of interaction is allowed (not typically allowed)

[indigo dove]

so haemocrystals + herald of blood probably wont work?

they can support eachother, I just don't know if haemocrystals will proc

[mental basin]

So uh, everything archmage got nerfed hard but seeing uniques as Indigon and Mjölner coming I kind of feel like mana-stacking anyway?

[celest blaze]

neat

[neat bison]

One of them mentions blood loss and not bleed, right? I think that’s a new mechanic they added where it can be consumed even if the target isn’t currently bleeding

It’s like a tracker of their total bleed received or something

[swift aspen]

yeah it was very flexible on gearing, budget friendly, but could scale really hard if you invested

but again, the skill itself can feel clunky at times

and i swear there's a hidden speed in the animation

even with like double or triple attack speed

[celest blaze]

sounds fun. Yah, totems help that way with the awkwardness of it, I was a big fan

[drifting cedar]

https://poe2db.tw/us/Volcanic_Eruption turn any skill into molten strike?

[indigo dove]

you're right, I think a better example is blood hunt + haemocrystals

blood hunt if you havent seen:

[swift aspen]

would be cool to see witch totem build for that with the unlimited totems and such

[celest blaze]

interesting. Wonder if I could add it to a self-use skill maybe.

[swift aspen]

has to be strike but

perfect strike is pretty wild

[deft osprey]

Chronomancer getting unleash is actually really op

[swift aspen]

from damage coefficient perspective

do totems actually hit the window on perfect strike?

[drifting cedar]

if you could get the perfect timing to match up with just over the cooldown on this

[swift aspen]

or is that not an option for a totem

[celest blaze]

yeah I was considering that also.

The main issue is it's hard to get enough spirit without a scepter.

[swift aspen]

if you go witch, though, why not sceptre?

[deft osprey]

That’s unleash for every spell

[celest blaze]

you can do a perfect strike totem, i think, but it's not really a thing, too hard to aim

[indigo dove]

nvm me stupid

[dawn spire]

I'm wagering it's going to be an active ability tho. You need to use it and then it gives your next spell two repeats

[drifting cedar]

you have to use the skill yourself for volcanic eruption

[inland coral]

guys, the blink autobomber blood mage still work in this patch or.. no?

[flat jungle]

are concs dead i though bleedconc will be VERY STRONG BUT you cant use heralds with conc skills does that mean conc skills are dead?

[drifting cedar]

but its a pretty high damage support potentially

[celest blaze]

you basically need 40 Skill Totems for it to make sense

And you can't get any +melee skill on totems, which robs you of +14 skill which is like... -75% less damage output

[swift aspen]

yeah true

[drifting cedar]

the hardest part will be fitting it into a skill because you'll be scaling projectiles on it

[deft osprey]

We’ll see. The way I read it is every slotted spell gets unleash for free

[swift aspen]

i think that's my problem with totems anyway

you can have a 40 totem, but the socketed skill is at the base lvl isn't it?

[deft osprey]

I really think phys sorc is the way for Sorcs this season

[swift aspen]

or is the socketed skill boosted from your gear?

[dawn spire]

The way I read it, it looks a lot like the unleash staff ability that was teased at exilecon over a year ago

[celest blaze]

essentially, you cannot use at least a 2 handed mace with totem skills, and anything other than 2 is severely gimping yourself

[swift aspen]

I'm thinking phys Lich with skellies

[celest blaze]

it is yes

[swift aspen]

ah okay

[celest blaze]

but the core totem weapon itself scales dramatically

So I won't be using those juicy Level 40 numbers on my totems sadly

[drifting cedar]

are there any spear strike skills which spawn projectiles on hit?

[swift aspen]

yeah i feel like the base dmg from 40 totem is sorta critical

granted, the scaling on lvl 40 skill is massive

math would be required

well, some skill scaling is meh

[deft osprey]

The buffed phys skills a lot

[celest blaze]

the main scary thing is that the AW totem is not showing the new valules in the PoE2.db yet really

doesn't seem to have parsed automatically correctly

[swift aspen]

yeah i was just looking

i don't like not seeing base damage

that's why i don't like planning minion builds

where tf is base stats per minion level

[dawn spire]

Poe1 players have been asking that for 13 years

[celest blaze]

the previous version had it, I'm sure this one will also

[swift aspen]

lol

i'm 99% locked in playing phys caster as league starter

[dawn spire]

The bone zone looks pretty spicy with some of the potential new supports

[drifting cedar]

honestly im just going to go mace smith

brink is everything I wanted for clearing with boneshatter

[dawn spire]

Damn, not even chaos dot smith? Smh

[deft osprey]

Great minds think alike

[river oriole]

Mace Warbringer here, lets gooo

[dawn spire]

And so do you two (:

[deft osprey]

I’m gonna test it on the normal league

With my kitted out chrono

[drifting cedar]

gotta get a good look at all the spear skills too. One thing about the way armour works in this game, is that negative armour works MUCH better for small rapid hits

like, armour breaker crossbow can get literally 300% more damage from the negative armour node in some cases

[river oriole]

Oh for sure, who doesn't like a good spear? lol

[swift aspen]

I started to powerlevel a warrior to insta smith and throw on my build for magma barrier

[drifting cedar]

you're not joining the new league?

[swift aspen]

but i figured i theorycrafted enough of that to know full well it'll be silly broken

[indigo dove]

sorry another question: is bleed damage based on physical damage before or after conversion?

[swift aspen]

so i'm just gonna roll new league

[dull spade]

how does rapid assault function? can i use detonator skills on the spears or do i need to trigger a detonator skill for it to then blow up?
aka i need a corpse/oil etc to not only blow up the detonatable but also the spear or does the spear itself count as detonatable?

[swift aspen]

should be 20% of the physical damage at hit

[mighty wing]

did you guys see any new pin supports?

[drifting cedar]

based on the damage of the hit, so if you convert away from phys that converted damage wont bleed

[swift aspen]

so if you convert 80% of your phys to ele, only 20% is applied to bleed

[indigo dove]

tyty

[swift aspen]

like more pin? or like that shattered bone one?

[drifting cedar]

yeah, Rusted Spikes - aggravate bleeding while pinning them

[deft osprey]

Yeah there’s an insane one

[mighty wing]

anything that procs of pin, or

[deft osprey]

For mob clearing

I’ll find it

[swift aspen]

the bone shatter or w/e one

[scenic lodge]

Will the +25% amulet boost from ritualist turn a +3 skills into a +4?

[swift aspen]

25% of mobs health explosion when you kill a pinned mob w/skill

[drifting cedar]

pretty reliable aggravate honestly

[swift aspen]

yeah that's nice

[drifting cedar]

so you can find a way to pin with spears

[quasi tinsel]

you get so much aggrevate now that it's not that good imo

[swift aspen]

rusted spike ballista

[celest blaze]

With totems, (from what I understand) this is what I'll be working with:

Molten Blast in 0.1, level 21:
30% less attack speed, 327% proj 265% shrapnel

Molten Blast in 0.2, level 21:
15% less attack speed, 286% proj 286% shrapnel

Which is much more of a mixed bag, especially with Scattershot (which is mandatory) having 30% less damage now, up from 15% less damage.

[drifting cedar]

and then use the spear bleed aggravate > ignite aggravate unique

[honest storm]

torn between chaos lich and bleed amazon..

[swift aspen]

I think that'll be fun

[drifting cedar]

what does aggravating ignite even do though

[quasi tinsel]

you get aggrevate on crit, aggrevate on hit but bleeds are only 1 sec, aggrevate on like 3 different spear skills

[swift aspen]

more work for your GPU

[drifting cedar]

just 100% more damage?

[quasi tinsel]

probably

[swift aspen]

makes fire...angry

[cinder raven]

What's the fastest hitting melee skill?

[celest blaze]

In the UI at least, the +19 to melee skill level does not apply to the Molten Strike gem itself

[dull spade]

how does rapid assault function? can i use detonator skills on the spears or do i need to trigger a detonator skill for it to then blow up?
aka i need a corpse/oil etc to not only blow up the detonatable but also the spear or does the spear itself count as detonatable?
https://i.imgur.com/xrRqc2f.png

its mildly confusing

[tawdry orbit]

So for bleed, when it says it deals 15% of the physical damage of the initial hit. Does it mean it ticks for that much for its duration, or that it does that much total damage across its entire duration + any modifiers

[drifting cedar]

i believe thats the damage per second

[static torrent]

Rapid Assault sticks a spear into the enemy on the final hit. Using a Detonator causes the stuck spear to explode. You don't need another effect to explode, though you can detonate additional effects at the same time if you want.

[tawdry orbit]

Ok, so like I do 100 phys, target gets a bleed that does 15dmg a tick for its duration

[swift aspen]

I think Rake doesn't have a reduced attack speed

[quasi tinsel]

you do 4 small hits and 5 big hit that leaves a spear in a target, then if you use detonator skill on the target (they have detonator tag) it goes boom

[swift aspen]

but the tooltip could be wrong

[drifting cedar]

i mean it doesnt really tick like in some other games but sure.

[dawn spire]

The spearhead can be detonated. So you just need a thing that has the detonator tag

[tawdry orbit]

Right but you know what I mean

[swift aspen]

100 phys, it does 15 damage over the entire time of the bleed

not 15 multiple times within the duration

[tawdry orbit]

Thx for the help

[quasi tinsel]

only detonator skills rn are explosive spear and thunderous leap

[cinder raven]

Do you know any skills which have increased speed?

[drifting cedar]

no its per second isnt it?

[dawn spire]

If you're ingame, can you hold alt over the bleed description to confirm this?

[swift aspen]

i mean there's support skill that increases the attaack speed per suse

[deft osprey]

https://poe2db.tw/us/Bone_Shrapnel

I’m literally basing my build off that

[swift aspen]

wait i'm wrong bleed is that percentage per second

please ignore me

[mighty wing]

how would that work with the tact node when all projectiles pin

[deft osprey]

That one skill can’t pin

[quasi tinsel]

evrything pins but this one skill

[mighty wing]

y

[deft osprey]

So it’s two button

[mighty wing]

were you going tactician with your build or?

[dawn spire]

"Never" beats "Always"

[deft osprey]

My phys sorc is going to apply poison bleed and pin with one button and detonate them with the second

[quasi tinsel]

like everything now until someone figures out a crazy unique+skill combo

[swift aspen]

ripwire ballista for braindead pinning

then you use a clearing skill

[deft osprey]

I’m going sorc

Phys sorc

[swift aspen]

ah

[dawn spire]

Well... Corrupting cry can still work

[mighty wing]

ohh yeah

[drowsy walrus]

Is there any possible good build with low price and easy to get material, cause I haven't done my research about this gane yet. I played POE 1 with spilliting steel build last season.

[deft osprey]

The new values are kinda insane

[swift aspen]

then you can set all dmg to pinning with gloves or w/e

[pearl latch]

Are totems going to be good this league?

[swift aspen]

yes, phys caster is the way imo

def my play

[deft osprey]

They tripled power siphon

[dawn spire]

We don't know. And if anyone says they know they're trying to sell you something

[deft osprey]

Like legitimately 300% buffed it

[mighty wing]

was thinking bow tactician with those pin supports

[austere reef]

I’m running Mace Chronomancer but not running any mace skills, just gonna have the mace on to nerf myself so GGG doesn’t nerf me instead

[mighty wing]

now would just need bleed for bow

[drowsy walrus]

Oh is it because of the update or something?

[dawn spire]

@pearl latch

[deft osprey]

So I have to figure out what to do with my power charges I have never researched that line

[drifting cedar]

https://poe2db.tw/us/Unabating ok I know armor sucks but

that new rapid hit spear attack is actually one slow attack

[dawn spire]

Yeah, insanely massive patch. Whole new game basically. We have barely any info on new gems, too

[drifting cedar]

you could use it with this to get a lot of armor

[deft osprey]

We have all the info now

On gems

Uniques being loaded now too

Unless you mean actual testing

[mossy anchor]

Call the chef, it's time to cook

[drowsy walrus]

Ohh great luckily I can start fresh, but sadly no update about the build yet. Thanks for telling me this.

[quasi tinsel]

that is if you trust poedb

[mighty wing]

can you quarentee bleed from support gems?

[drifting cedar]

https://poe2db.tw/us/Dawn_of_the_Hunt_league#DawnoftheHuntGem

[deft osprey]

Yeah

[quasi tinsel]

if you hit 100% life enemy

[deft osprey]

You can also trigger poison from bleed

Malady is the new gen

[dawn spire]

Call me skeptical, but I'm gonna wait and see what supports are actually going to be enabled first. I've been burned before

[deft osprey]

That does that

GGG “we nerfed spark but have fun with phys boys”

[dawn spire]

Isn't that only 100% increased bleed chance vs full life enemies?

[quasi tinsel]

oh right forgot that some might be bleed resistant, nvm good call

[deft osprey]

So now when I get home I need to solve what I can do with power charges

[drowsy walrus]

Thanks

[dawn spire]

That's, um...not a whole lot of damage there

[deft osprey]

68 to 170 is almost triple

The bottom is the old

[dawn spire]

Yeah, but triple 0 is still 0

[deft osprey]

Top is the new

Bad ss

[dawn spire]

It did basically zero damage before

[mighty wing]

would be intresting to run LA as pin/bleed skill

then spiral volley to detonate

[dawn spire]

Tripling power siphon isn't gonna make it worth using as a dps ability imo

[drifting cedar]

https://poe2db.tw/us/Rake oh jeez i didnt even see this

ignite with spear swap for aggravate guaranteed

[deft osprey]

It’ll be my blind/pinner

The new blind crit gem is astronomical stonks for crit

[knotty spruce]

Howdy! so im planning a smith with the manifest weapon as a minon while being giga tannky build using a mace/shield. https://maxroll.gg/poe2/pob/pj6gr00c I dont have much experience making builds so please tell me if yall see somethin obvious thats off

[timid aurora]

Oh fuck nice

[deft osprey]

Malady is the supp gem

[timid aurora]

Maybe bleed PF won't be so bad

[minor tree]

i was dead set on redflare amazon but the big nerf to weapon infusion is making me reconsidering 🤔

what are you people planning to start with?

[timid aurora]

Maybe

[deft osprey]

Bleed is probably gonna be meta this league

[mighty wing]

bleed LA?

[silk juniper]

is the dmg gained from "gain % of damage as extra chaos" different from "gain % damage as chaos" different?

[deft osprey]

What gems detonate bleed

[drifting cedar]

idk its damage is still pretty low

[timid aurora]

Launch elden ring vibes

[drifting cedar]

but there's a lot of stuff you can do WITH bleed now

[deft osprey]

That’s where the cooking begins

[timid aurora]

Bleed concoction stonks

[mighty wing]

the bone sharpnell kinda

[drifting cedar]

https://poe2db.tw/us/Trinity does this not have a cap?

[timid aurora]

What weapon does that skill use

[silk juniper]

100 cap

for resonance

[austere reef]

Definitely excited to mess with a Haemocrystal Herald of Blood build

[silk juniper]

theoretical max is 60% more

nvm with quality you can get up to 72% more dmg

if you perfectly balance your elements

[deft osprey]

Wait

[drifting cedar]

https://poe2db.tw/us/Muster

zoomancer

[swift aspen]

@deft osprey what about bone shrapnel minions + bone cage on lich with extra chaos stacking and event horizon

[deft osprey]

https://poe2db.tw/us/Plague_Bearer

with Malady and a turbo bleed

[silk juniper]

is the extra chaos dmg increased by "increased chaos dmg" modifiers or do you just have to scale phys

only

[mighty wing]

its a new support

[deft osprey]

Read the tooltip

It specifically says how to scale it

[swift aspen]

damn i wanna head to bed now so i'm up about two hours from release (when it'll finally work) but with new info dropping i wanna stay up and read instead

struggle

[opaque bluff]

With pathfinder “your speed is unaffected by slows” does that also apply to action speed, or just movement? If so does it negate freeze and stun as well?

[deft osprey]

Is there a “cast on poison”

[silk juniper]

oh I see it now

thats nice I can maybe do a dd lich build then

[dawn spire]

Not to my knowledge

[deft osprey]

Do you know how a sorc could heavy stun

Because I’m thinking bloodhound’s mark could be really good

[drifting cedar]

https://poe2db.tw/us/Battershout

Think you can use this with the nodes on the tree that break armour from heavy stuns with seismic cry warbringer just spamming stuns?

afaik if you break armour from a heavy stun that overrides the "cannot break armor from this skill" because the armor break is from the stun, not the skill

[dawn spire]

If you do enough hit damage you'll eventually heavy stun. More easily with physical damage

[flint flume]

I've seen some people theorycrafting Impending Doom mana stacker lich for endgame - what are some options to make curses not feel terrible?

[deft osprey]

Got it

How valuable is shredding armor

In this context

[drifting cedar]

for rapid tiny hits shredding armor is super valuable

[deft osprey]

Does it scale like resistance shred?

[dawn thistle]

do you guys think warrior could have a good build with the new spear weapon? or maybe monk

[drifting cedar]

not the same

armor affects smaller hits much more than bigger hits

[deft osprey]

Ahh I see

So if I want to stun I need a big hit

[drifting cedar]

no stun builds up over time but i mean

its based on the hit damage

so if you're doing lots of little hits, shredding armor will be good for your dps and therefore your stun

[deft osprey]

I see

[dawn spire]

Cursed ground support to get rid of the activation delay

I was also thinking of a mana stacker with impending doom, but I was going infernalist so I could reserve 75% life, take pain attunement, and go MoM

Reserving all that life for juicy mana, spirit, and ES

[blissful lintel]

do we have any idea when the new league stuff will be added to POB

[near latch]

think we could do a duel 1 handed mace build?

[flint flume]

What's the plan to not make self casting curses feel awful for impending doom?

[drifting cedar]

https://poe2db.tw/us/Rapid_Assault

numbers on this are somewhat misleading, really looking at 240% attack speed and 351% effective damage

[timid aurora]

Does this mean a skill can apply both bleed and poison? https://poe2db.tw/us/Malady

[dawn spire]

Depends on what feels awful about them to you

[flint flume]

Unless I'm missing something, wouldn't you need to drop the curse, wait for the curse activation delay, then let the curse run out before you get the pop?

[dawn spire]

Yes, but only if they would already do so without the gem

[timid aurora]

Oh

[drifting cedar]

i have no idea what base chance means

[timid aurora]

Do what would bleed concoction do

[swift aspen]

if you brutality on a skill, does it erase % more elemental damage or does it just negate any native elemental/chaos damage in the skill hit

[timid aurora]

With that gem

[dawn spire]

No, you use cursed ground support and then when you use it again, it removes the old one and applies a new one. So you'd cause a pop every cast, no waiting for activation delay or expiration

[silk juniper]

negates everything

[runic raptor]

Any tips for picking a class/spec for an SSF playth?

[silk juniper]

even % extra dmg as ele

[drifting cedar]

my guess is bleeding concoction poisons instead of bleeds and doesn't get poison magnitude from the bleed magnitude

[dawn spire]

Smith of Kitava is probably the most ssf friendly option because it removes the need for a good chest piece

[flint flume]

Holy shit that's huge. Actually sounds like transitioning from chaos dot to mana stack curses can work

[dawn spire]

Probs, yeah

[runic raptor]

Tyvm.

[timid aurora]

Damn PF getting obliterated at every turn lol

[uncut umbra]

In these days I hate that I suck at poe theorycrafting. I have an idea for infernal zoo minion build. I'm like 100% sure I'll fail at building it 😛 I hope someone better comes up with a similar thing that I hope to do.

Infernal beast to tank damage and keep ignite (ignited enemies can be ignited forever thingy), a second companion for haste/crit buff (to minimize %reservation), skele priest, free skele warrs from weap, 1-2x skele stormmages as conduction bots, 1 spectre to buff and another spectre to maximize the damage output.

But I can't see how the spirit will work out at the end

[drifting cedar]

idk why you'd want to use malady with this

[deft osprey]

Bone cage seems to be the best spam skill for physics

Then scythe for detonations

[flint flume]

Do the enemies still have the curse on them when the pop happens? Ie: will they have despair debuff when impending doom hits?

[timid aurora]

What are some new support gems that might help concoctions

[dawn spire]

I think so, but I'm not certain. I wasn't able to test that

[drifting cedar]

I think you'd use malady for things like Rapid Assault if you found a way to use the Poisoned condition to further help your attacks more than Bleeding

or vice versa on skills with inherent poisons that you want haemocrystals from on a non poison build

[drifting cedar]

i mean, which concoctions?

[deft osprey]

Actually reverse that

Reap into Bone cage

Applier-detonator

[drifting cedar]

https://poe2db.tw/us/Blood_Hunt

[timid aurora]

So maladay on gas arrow would suck?

[drifting cedar]

this isn't for concoctions specifically or a support, but its a combo skill you could use with bleeding concoction

[deft osprey]

Maybe cast on crit bone cage

Wait I’m cooking now

[timid aurora]

Oh nice

[drifting cedar]

i have no idea how malady gas arrow would work

my guess is it would suck

[ember yacht]

you guys think archery ballista totems gonna be a good totem build?

[dawn spire]

I think it might be the best totem build, but we haven't checked all the gem changes yet, so no one knows

[opaque bluff]

Are there any details of how useful the pathfinders unaffected by slows is? Is it just move slows or action speed too?

[timid aurora]

Titan with ballistas

[radiant wraith]

Tactical gives some of his DMG to allies

[drifting cedar]

Salvo might also be fun with concoctions

[radiant wraith]

Double banner

Op boss

[mighty wing]

sadly it doesnt seem to work

for some moronic reason

[drifting cedar]

we dont know if it doesnt work yet do we

[radiant wraith]

We dont

[mighty wing]

i mean the goblins here, and some youtubers seem to be pretty sure

i sure hope it would work

[radiant wraith]

25 x 4 balistas

[timid aurora]

What are possible good Chrono builds

[dawn spire]

Chaos dot, grenades, flameblast

[deft osprey]

Power siphon for power charges and get the 20% MORE Crit from charge infusion

[drifting cedar]

https://poe2db.tw/us/Derange chaos dot stacker

[deft osprey]

Anything that unleash makes insane

[swift aspen]

this is what i'm looking at RN

plus armour break on cage

[deft osprey]

There’s another 15% more crit on the blind

[swift aspen]

socket global phys and 25% increased dmg on armour broken rubies

[deft osprey]

35% more crit for free is insane

[radiant wraith]

Free blind on mercenary

Blind maim pin spam

[simple abyss]

anyone has a idea what the most played build gonna be?

[silk juniper]

what counts as undead minions?

[swift aspen]

add ambush and you're 100% crit on full hp mobs

with no other investment

[radiant wraith]

Definitely gonna go shotgun

[mighty wing]

was thinking tactician LA pin bleed frenzy charge into spiralvolley bone shrapnell

[radiant wraith]

Shotgun with mortars

[deft osprey]

Blind maim pin bleed into poison (malady) then detonate poison with

[swift aspen]

does power siphon give a power charge if it oneshots? does that count as a cull?

[drifting cedar]

oh poison malady for armor breaking is maybe a cool tech..

[radiant wraith]

So if artillery shits 3 now doesnscattershot turn IT into 6 or 9

[dawn spire]

5

[timid aurora]

Only thing that seems clunky if unleash has a gcd and cant just be combos fast

[deft osprey]

Waittttt

[dawn spire]

It just adds two projectiles, doesn't it?

[deft osprey]

Elemental discharge got hella buffed

[static torrent]

Scattershot adds 2 projectiles, it doesn't double or triple anything, yes.

[deft osprey]

You can chain that with phys

[radiant wraith]

On molten strike you get 6

[mighty wing]

do we know what it does yet?

[radiant wraith]

And its starts at 1

[dawn spire]

What do you mean by gcd? That's not a thing in poe

[deft osprey]

God damn I’m gonna spend all day today cooking

[timid aurora]

Or I guess animation that can't be broken.

Like gotta press unleash and wait

[dawn spire]

You mean if it has a cast time, basically?

I'm betting it will

[drifting cedar]

https://poe2db.tw/us/Unleash

its a skill with a cooldown

[dawn spire]

Yeah, I'm wagering it's the same as the staff skill that was teased at exilecon

[drifting cedar]

this is it

[dawn spire]

Use it once (with cast time), then next unleashable spell repeats twice

[drifting cedar]

idk what you guys are thinking it does but it just is a buff that you use and then can unleash one spell

[dawn spire]

Oof, can't empower skills with a cd

[mighty wing]

thats nasty

[drifting cedar]

you can time snap and do it twice

[timid aurora]

Ya I was gonna macro it

[mighty wing]

wait does it work on comet?

[opaque bluff]

worth pointing out theres a support for 15% more damage to empowered skills that should work with the unleash skill as well

[dawn spire]

But it can empower payoff skills

[drifting cedar]

you can use all the empowered skill supports probably

[timid aurora]

Macro unleash and some big skill

[mighty wing]

maybe comet?

[opaque bluff]

theres just 15% mroe damage, and cull

[dawn spire]

Comet doesn't have a CD, so yeah

[dawn spire]

There are some new ones, I think, that do stuff when a skill is empowered, too

[halcyon solar]

I'm a bit confused of how to preload the patch with the torrent file. I mean the Torrent won't just magically start downloading when you drop it in your "Path of Exile 2" folder. Sorry for asking here, but the other channel is a spamfest.

[opaque bluff]

its still quite a cast time before you get something out, but for a finisher/big damage skill it seems nice (also for dot skills)

[dawn spire]

You use the torrent to download the content.ggpk
There should be instructions in the forum post

[opaque bluff]

theres the volatility thing, that looks really quite hard to use though

[halcyon solar]

https://www.pathofexile.com/forum/view-thread/3740855
i mean all that is said there. Is to drop the file in the install folder.

[mighty wing]

fuck another build to consider for starter.... only ~3 hours to decide

[drifting cedar]

volatility might be a great use for it though.

also opens up self hitting

which is obviously strong

[opaque bluff]

a lot depends on whether you get 5 or 15 volatility from one use of the skill

[drifting cedar]

true

[warped jackal]

Chonk is the way..

[drifting cedar]

hardcore smith with weapon swap passives into totems

[mighty wing]

bro i wanted to play it in 0.1 but ehhh...

[drifting cedar]

but no more weapon swapping

thats my plan anyway. let totem flat damage carry me if my mace is bad, let perfect strike carry me if my mace is good

[mighty wing]

full frost chrono with unleash comet

[warped jackal]

Well the flames are now remnants and you can even buff your minions with right support gems

[mighty wing]

minions

[pearl sluice]

Ggg pls delete basic Attacks

[deft osprey]

There’s also the passive that procs 33% of the time and has no ICD

[woven otter]

Does plasma blast explode if it hits ice wall?

[tidal birch]

Yo Mr. @drifting cedar are there any youtube leaguestart guides that are not bait? I already asked Byron and he said "No".

[round escarp]

If anybody is looking for a good build to league start with. Bone shatter will pump

[dawn spire]

Yeah, wherever you have poe2 installed

[round escarp]

Leapslam bone shatter will be really good imo

[warped jackal]

I will probably try chonk with spear and focus on stun/knockback with the air serpect skills etc. I think it would be fun

[dusty kiln]

im starting to worry if minion tactician is actually feasable
especially before you got like lv80+
the nodes are so far away

i think im just gonna go right instead and get crossbow and companion skills
get 2 companions
and they get to enjoy my ascendency bonuses with me

perhaps i might even just stay on that
pinning enemies with a crossbow shotgun while 2 big funny monkes bash their faces in or smth

[cosmic tulip]

Every league i have no clue what I want to play...

[mighty wing]

crazy how tact went from the "meh" new thing to the one people cook with the most

[dusty kiln]

it does seem really flexible

[indigo dove]

is this worth the investment? idk how much damage this actually gives

[dusty kiln]

minions, companions, totems, pinning or just some good defenses and a ton of persistent buffs

so many options

[high sluice]

Play gemling with shock burst rounds and galvanic shards and herald of thunder and use trample toe coz heralds dont scale but trample toe and herald of thunder do chain

[high sluice]

Best clear speed and top boss killer

[warped jackal]

what do you mean by companions?

[dusty kiln]

the beasts you can tame now

[warped jackal]

Ahhh those, tbh tac with one strong companion would be kinda cool

idk either what to play now ..

[round escarp]

Looks kinda cool

[dusty kiln]

you can even get 2 with a keystone passive thats a bit to the right of your start (though you have 30% less defences for it)

[naive violet]

How was companions scaling?

[subtle vigil]

Is there an updated passive tree to see?

[devout kite]

what class with good clear speed , im planning warrior new class but i think clear speed is slow

[warped jackal]

Jesus, imagine.. but you think its a good starter? Because i could also do Chonk and get the support on the flames so that my companions get the effect

[ocean egret]

im trying to make the most obnoxious-looking character with a lot of bright/glowy effects and big char model. what mtx are best to achieve this?

[round escarp]

I'm not sure it would triple dip unless you can generate 3 charges quickly. Also how are you getting more mana flask charges to sustain?

[dusty kiln]

i have no idea
but its probably a much easier start than gunning for minion stuff
and you got a lot of useful projectile and crossbow related passives you can get on the way there

[indigo dove]

the 75% gain gets applied at each conversion (?), so would only need 1 charge.. as for the mana flasks, i have no idea for bosses. i imagine for clear it wouldnt be a problem

[round escarp]

It will only give you 1 type of infusion per charge consumed

[gray sundial]

Does anyone know if the new chronomancer unleash will work with flameblast?

[drifting cedar]

doesn't work with channels

[indigo dove]

yeah, im just relying on the lightning infusion and its innate conversion

[mighty wing]

hear me out tact with the pin node, LA to pin everything and generate frenzy charges and detonate pinned with the shrapnel support on spiralvolley

[drifting cedar]

I missed this mb. I also say no

I mean there are probably some that will pan out but you'll sift through a sea of bait to get to them

[tidal birch]

a sad day for a lazy fuck like me, but ty for the answer

[gray sundial]

😦

[static torrent]

Are you thinking of the way that conversion works in PoE1, by any chance?

In PoE2, modifiers only apply at the final damage type

[indigo dove]

rip

[steady flint]

Is Sandstorm Visage and Malice the only way to get critical weakness now?

Because both of them kind of suck

[olive tide]

so tons of thorns support it looks like.. whats the ascendancy for a thorns build

[warped jackal]

Yea thats true tho, but i think i still go for chonk, now that the flames are remnant, i see some potential

[round escarp]

Once the damage is converted once for the attack you'll only gain one time

[drifting cedar]

probably warbringer but I just dont see how thorns builds can boss

[left matrix]

prolly titan for passive node power and defensives

[olive tide]

figured id do stuns with hammer of the gods.. will kill bosses slow ig

[swift aspen]

When a skill poisons as though it is a hit, does it calculate more damage in the hit (assuming it’s physical or chaos)

[orchid birch]

so the builds currently on maxroll are still good? or is everybody bad now

[left matrix]

Yeah actually... warbringer seems better

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0YD8eB6RYBI

Just seems very unviable as a starter due to requirements

[left matrix]

Everything has changed wayyy too much for any existing guides to be relative

[drifting cedar]

tbh at very low level scavenged plating can carry you as a warbringer

its not a good skill in general but for a brief time in act 2-4 it clears trash

[left matrix]

If u get really lucky with that early unique thorns body armour, u can definitely make it work

[orchid birch]

damn so wtf am i supposed to do

i cant even play day 1

coz im not making my own build

[olive tide]

i mean i dont think league starting with thorns is good.. but lvl as something else till u can get the helm and whatnot

[left matrix]

You play the game, like everyone else >.< while we try and figure out what works now..

[orchid birch]

nah

i cant

i dont enjoy it if i dont hgave a build to follow

[drifting cedar]

then do something from before that didnt get mega nerfed

[orchid birch]

and i dont wanna think

[exotic hollow]

we just need to pick a class actually

ascendancy will come later

[orchid birch]

thats true

[drifting cedar]

why are you in the build planning channel

[orchid birch]

u can change everything anyway

[drifting cedar]

this is where we plan builds

not plan which build guide to follow

[orchid birch]

idk wher to go to talk about this

thats why im asking

yes

im talking about which builds to use

its the same shit

[drifting cedar]

https://maxroll.gg/poe2/build-guides/boneshatter-titan-leveling-guide

here

[orchid birch]

fuck melee

[left matrix]

Tonyy, no one knows mate... we are all getting the patch at the same time... predownload starts in 13 minutes, release 2 hours after... go watch a movie or sumn

[tranquil star]

then don't play day 1 iunno man

[orchid birch]

thats boring

[drifting cedar]

i tried

[orchid birch]

ranged is always better

[drifting cedar]

boneshatter will be better and was already good at low gear

seems like a no brainer day 1 build

[orchid birch]

its gonna be bad endgame

coz melee always bad

[drifting cedar]

so what

then there will be guides out for broken stuff

and you can spend your money on the fotm

[tranquil star]

guess if you aren't gonna make your own build, you'll just have to start later than everyone else

[orchid birch]

ye

[round escarp]

If you need a build just follow a bone shatter warrior build.

[left matrix]

^

[knotty spruce]

Howdy! so im planning a smith with the manifest weapon as a minon while being giga tannky build using a mace/shield. https://maxroll.gg/poe2/pob/pj6gr00c I dont have much experience making builds so please tell me if yall see somethin obvious thats off

[round escarp]

Bone shatter is easy

[orchid birch]

i wish necromancer was a thing

[round escarp]

It is a thing. Lich

[left matrix]

......... wut

[orchid birch]

ye its noit

pure

minions

[tranquil star]

nothing is going to be pure minions, this is a design choice GGG has made explicit for PoE2

[round escarp]

Then you gotta cook yourself

[left matrix]

Tonyy mah mahn

[tidal birch]

Should we not ascend on day 1-2 to see what ascendancy is the best? Since we still cant respec ascendancys, correct?

[wise sequoia]

Ice strike is safe still with the Plciskein ring right?

[drifting cedar]

manifest weapon is likely its own whole build

your manifested weapon will not get bonuses from mace / attack nodes on the tree

it is a minion

[left matrix]

This remains an issue for weeks to come, I'd recommend leveling more than one of whatever class you want to play for end game.

[tranquil star]

Lich is the thematic necromancer though

[round escarp]

I'm just going all in on hunter

Going all in on amazon

[stoic spoke]

any ideas for frenzy generation for a spear/shield smith?

[left matrix]

The issue is getting early porcylkrens but, ice strike was not hit by nerfs no,

[tidal birch]

Thats just not how I enjoy poe. I mostly just play for 1 week then quit. Thats why my leaguestarter has to be good.

[round escarp]

Then you gotta cook

Download pob and cook

[drifting cedar]

what game has ever had a pure necromancer

thats just minions

[left matrix]

I mean if you arent into playing the game, then it doesnt matter anyway? just play auto attack -.-

[orchid birch]

yea

thats what i meamn

[wise sequoia]

It was actually, 48% reduced freeze buildup and no herald interaction, but I guess it can still clear with polciskein or w.e its name is

[orchid birch]

i just call it necro

[drifting cedar]

every arpg necro ever has had things other than minions

[orchid birch]

ye but minions are the best

why would u play anything else

[drifting cedar]

k

[tidal birch]

I enjoy the game, but not doing acts multiple times or play it for a long time. I have 3,2k hours in poe1. I just know exactly what I like and how to play the game to get maximum fun out of it.

[left matrix]

I mean.... if ur that experienced.... then cook mate.

[round escarp]

If you want a good build go in the kitchen and cook

Want a good league start gotta cook

[sour stone]

Yo i have no experience in building a good character what do u guys think will be good to start with?

[round escarp]

Or wait and follow the YouTubers

[untold prawn]

im not super experienced but im down to clown on new stuff so i just obsessively read this thread for about 12hrs before

[round escarp]

I recommend if you've never cooked to find some ideas on YouTube

[left matrix]

Like literally NO guide right now will be perfect.. its guna take a week or two of testing and optimizing before anything is relative. we are all in the same boat here, just experiment and enjoy the game. Holy fuck these devs are putting their soul into this and yall just wanna rush the fking content like its degen as shiiit xd

[round escarp]

As cornerstones

[untold prawn]

ppl think EoW will be good?

[sour stone]

Just wanna have a good time bro

[round escarp]

Like there's things that I know will work. But do you want to play it though. Artillery balista. Bone shatter warrior.

[left matrix]

What did you play last league :D

[tidal birch]

I dont like making builds 🤷‍♂️ I like to have a strong leaguestarter, use the stuff I find on the ground, then if the char struggles throw some currency at the char to half hartley fix the char and after that quit the league. I know it sounds wird, but this is EXACTLY how I like to play this game. Just blasting acts/maps and not needing to care about char is what enjoy by far the most.

[orchid birch]

idc about the devs, its about the people that made it their lifes job to make builds, they should get to work

its their job

[round escarp]

They don't have the information to make builds lmao

[orchid birch]

so get to work

thanks

[sour stone]

Haha i did start with warrior (big mistake lol) and then did deadeye but was so squicy hated that

[round escarp]

Then you gotta wait.

[left matrix]

More Spooning please

[drifting cedar]

build planning channel. not griping about builds being outdated because of changes channel

thats poe2 general

[round escarp]

Or play bone shatter warrior.

Bone shatter warrior is buffed rn

[minor tree]

bleed amazon looks solid
titan is versatile due to buffing all small nodes
stacking str and using corrupting cry is guaranteed to work all the way to maps (slow boss dps but that's about it)

[round escarp]

Ez league start from level 1-100

[drifting cedar]

bone shatter warrior is super buffed

[tidal birch]

Or quit early probably. But, the fun is at playing in the "hype"-time and that is league start. I guess, the best bet is just starting with a leveling build (like boneshatter Pent posted) and not commit into anything early.

[round escarp]

Then quit

[drifting cedar]

also anything bottom left of the tree can easily use weapon swap passives for totem skills (without needing to weapon swap so no long delay)

and totems need basically no gear to level

[tidal birch]

passive aggressive just because I enjoy the game in a different way you do, okay 👍

[round escarp]

So Amazon xbows is going to be my starter

[sour stone]

I was told that amazon early game succes like monk did kinda. And i mean wanna try something new but maybe i give warrior a change. Thnx men!

[minor tree]

you're welcome, glhf!

[urban sierra]

I will play ice - shock monk

[sour stone]

What are u gonna play?

[round escarp]

It's just you keep typing paragraphs about how you specifically enjoy the game. This isn't the place for it. Plan a build or don't.

[sour stone]

Isnt heralds nerfed

[tidal birch]

any favorite/recommended specific totem?

[minor tree]

i wanted to do an infuse weapon amazon build, but it was nerfed by 70%

[round escarp]

Be aware that totems got nerfed on the base DMG on the gem levels

[minor tree]

so now i'm at a loss

[tidal birch]

I was talking about what build Im looking for and somebody, basically asked me "why". If you dont like it dont react to it and @ me since now Im writing even more about it.

[round escarp]

Artillery totem I'd say will be the strongest totem by far.

[left matrix]

Gemling offers the +1 totem tho

[drifting cedar]

shockwave for this purpose

[sour stone]

Ahhaah i feel u men i feel u forreal hated that we dont have all the updated stuff yet to statt building but ok

[drifting cedar]

well, for me as I'll be taking some armor break / physical passives

[round escarp]

It got the base DMG buffed compared to shockwave totem.

[minor tree]

poe2db has it rn!

or, most of it at least

blood boil looks interesting too, but it seems slow and good luck vs bosses

[surreal saddle]

alrightttt im sure this is prob an annoying question that has been asked many times, maybe not tho. But I havent played in a while and heard theres a reset today. I played demon witch and spark, but my friend told me everything got gutted. what builds are still good? early and endgame? im ngl idkk if I wanna do ranger but if someone insists ig

[round escarp]

Bro go artillery balista totem if you like totems. Deadeye is still good.

And bleed will likely be good as well but gear will be a bit expensive

[left matrix]

The new stuff is on db for hours now.
start cooking mates,

https://poe2db.tw/us/Skill_Gems

https://poe2db.tw/us/Support_Gems

[sour stone]

Yea i mean i was thinking about making a own build but i didnt play poe1 and im not that experinced

[sour stone]

Most op stuff is now dog

[minor tree]

i haven't played poe1 either but i did play poe2 a fair bit, in doubt corrupting cry with seismic cry and pin support works on anyone (just gotta stack strength)

[round escarp]

Most dog stuff before is op now

They did a flip

[minor tree]

smith of kitava is also most likely very safe, you stack fire resist and you're protected

[sour stone]

Hahah true

[drifting cedar]

armour break rapid assault warbringer to scale the baby hits into massive hits

[sour stone]

All play warrior then haha

[round escarp]

Warrior will actually be decent. Monk still strong

[left matrix]

Hmmmmm exploit weakness on a few hard hitters could work too,

Perfect Opportunity for lucky hits after the heavy stun also looks great

[surreal saddle]

ngl idk what totem is

[sour stone]

Thinking about playing monk

[round escarp]

So totems are like stationary minions but they inherit your stats and passives

[sour stone]

Monk sounds funny

To play

[round escarp]

They have their own main hand weapon

[sour stone]

Is like the lightsaber still good?

[surreal saddle]

oh interesting

[minor tree]

should be just as good

[surreal saddle]

what would the ascendancy be called?

[drifting cedar]

i've been waiting for a fast hitting melee phys skill to go turtle charm + armour breaker on warbringer, but idk if the damage will be enough

rapid assault is a bit more of a setup skill

[left matrix]

Could become good with the frenzy tech off parries since it wont require much investments

[drifting cedar]

but if you can find a way to quickly explode the spearheads, potentially a very strong skill

it also always bleeds which opens up more stuff

[left matrix]

Yeh, crit bleed builds double dipping into the larger bloodloss from crits and then causing the crystals to also crit, seems like the way

[drifting cedar]

i wonder if the stuck spearheads will generate a single hit or multiple hits when detonated

[surreal saddle]

also is huntress any good or nobody know yet? will it be expensive?

[round escarp]

They also scale with gem levels. So there's 3 ASC I would use:
2 for artillery ballistas
Gemling legionnaires for the quality and gem levels.
Tactician for the free pin and action speed for totem. (Likely really strong with a rapid fire crossbow).

Melee totems:
Sunder totem warbringer for easy defences.

[left matrix]

most likely will work like crossbow shotgunning, where it counts as one big hit

Could look into bonestorm though

[drifting cedar]

hope so

itll be a big hit if so

[round escarp]

Depends if you're new it may be cheap because you'll buy other people's hand downs. Because you'll be slow. Key peaces for builds will be a bit expensive.

[drifting cedar]

i guess explosive spear is the move for this

chuck a spear, start sticking them with spearheads

[sour stone]

Isnt bleed going to be very op?

[drifting cedar]

by the time it detonates hope they are full

I don't think so? I think it will be usable

it has some fun new toys but

[round escarp]

Lightning spear and bleeding concoction.

[left matrix]

ailments are in a weird place because they scale from hits. meaning they will never exceed 50% of your output.

[round escarp]

Tons of hemoballs

[sour stone]

Ahhh oke for my understanding ailments are like bleed, poison, ice and lighting right?

[drifting cedar]

bleed, poison, chill, freeze, shock, ignite

[left matrix]

Yeh

[sour stone]

Ahhh oke

So we all in for flat hard damage lol

[round escarp]

Well they can exceed 50% of output by scaling magnitude

[untold prawn]

Anyone cooking a witch starter? I love the class but don’t wanna get rekt

[left matrix]

your hits still end up exceeding them due to the delayed delivery vs frequency of hits

[drifting cedar]

yeah stuff like hammer of the gods was the best use for ailments but it got pretty heavily nerfed

I'm not sure the new bleed toys will make up for the difference

[sour stone]

We basically we need a hard hitting jumping flatt damage build

[drifting cedar]

but bleed as an engine for doing other things, or helping clear

absolutely buffed

[left matrix]

Skeleton Snipers, Flame Wall,
vigorously search for spirit items

[quasi flint]

I really want to do spears for league start, but what are some backup builds I can do on the blacksmith ascendancy?

[drifting cedar]

boneshatter

[round escarp]

Sunder totem blacksmith

[drifting cedar]

boneshatter + sunder totem blacksmith\

[round escarp]

Or boneshatter

[quasi flint]

totems are real in poe2?

[steady flint]

Anyone know how area of effect is calculated?
Say now we have 4m presence radius, how big is the area if you get 150% increased presence radius? Is it 6.x something meters?

[drifting cedar]

totems are actually really easy to include for any warrior build

2nd weaponset into totem stuff that you're almost definitely touching anyway

[snow cypress]

is there anyway in current game now +additional presence ?

[steady flint]

Yeah, you can get % on tree

[sour stone]

Is there a pre download?

[steady flint]

150% is in witch and warrior are total

[quasi flint]

Can I go all in on totems?

I'm stuck in my PoE 1 was

[sonic peak]

anyone knows if there's a tree planner other than the poe2db one updated with datamined stuff?
I get lost without icons

[left matrix]

u have to define what ur talking about here though because area of effect and area of presence are two different things. So is aura radius, its pretty like, specific,

[sour stone]

Btw isnt mercenary buffed?

With the updated crossbows?

[steady flint]

Area of presence, but i assume its the same calc for any aoe no?

[sonic peak]

what updated crossbows? they only said they increased the dmg of the bases, but we don't know what the touched on the skills

[round escarp]

Not just mercenary

[sour stone]

Yea thats true

[round escarp]

Any builds that use xboxs

[sonic peak]

well, other than grenades getting hurt in the crossfire of multiple other skills

[steady flint]

They increased the flat modifiers on them

[sonic peak]

even then you'll prob want to still use deadeye for xbow

[sonic peak]

of the bases, no? not the skills, unless I missed smt

[round escarp]

Pob has the spear nodes

[slender furnace]

Thats not how this game works. Any ascendancy can use crossbows

[left matrix]

Yeah @steady flint
For presence there are modifiers on Sceptres, Alpha Cowl unique helmet, and the new talents:
Long distance relationship, Enveloping Presence

[steady flint]

Flat as in the prefix. It was 1h modifiers before, now gonna be 2h modifiers

[sour stone]

I know but there were some builds with crossbow on mercenary

[sonic peak]

uh, what's incision?

[sonic peak]

ah true, forgot abt that

[snow cypress]

hm

[slender furnace]

Again...that's not a mercenary buff...its a crossbow buff

[left matrix]

Incision is a new stacking debuff related to bleeds, its like stacking paper cuts on the enemy and calling in the lemon man.

[sonic peak]

[steady flint]

Yeah, i mean how big of an area would my "presence" be after patch if i have 150% increased presence area of effect?

[slender furnace]

New torture build just dropped lfg!

[potent cape]

Is Gemling a no-go now? Played Sorc last league and want to have some Xbow fun this league and not completely interested in Amazon/Deadeye

[quick crown]

Anybody smarter than me figure out how the hell we're supposed to get frenzy charges for huntress since combat frenzy is like a 6second CD now

[slender furnace]

150% x 4

[celest oxide]

6

[sonic peak]

well fuck
bleed huntress will need to go away from the ES section of the tree...

guess we're back to 6 portals defenses

[left matrix]

base presence is 6m,
if u have 150% increased presence then you have 250% presence, so 6m x 2.6

[steady flint]

Its def not 10m no

[round escarp]

Yeah you not going bleed and ES

[slender furnace]

Base is 4m now

[round escarp]

Go bleed and evasion

[steady flint]

Base is now 4m

[left matrix]

ayt,, makes sense,

4x 2.5 then

so 10m.

[slender furnace]

What

[left matrix]

with 150% increased.

[slender furnace]

No that's not how math works

150%x4 is 6m

[surreal saddle]

did chronomancer get any buffs 👀 always sounded like it was cool buttt.......

[left matrix]

base presence is 4 m... 150% increased presence is 250% total presence.

[sonic peak]

yeah, but ER alone is not enough, last league I had to stack a shit ton of HP from gear to not get IKd

[steady flint]

Isnt 100% × 4m = 6m?

[sour stone]

By the way is there pre download of the update?

[sonic peak]

acro got nerfed as well (not too bad, but still)

[quick crown]

All the crossbows got buffed and alot of crossbow skills got buffed

[slender furnace]

Thats not how that works

[quick crown]

Yea but it's via torrent and not on steam I believe

[slender furnace]

You're increasing 4m presence by 150%...its 6m

[steady flint]

Reason being i wanna use Apex Chrono ascendancy and Sandstorm Visage, but if presence aoe sucks then thats a no go

[sour stone]

Ahhh oke

Thnx

[sterile latch]

it should be on steam no ? oof idk how to use the torrent xd

[left matrix]

thats increasing it by 50%.... not 150%... cuz u arent accounting for the existing presence.

[round escarp]

I'm going to grab ghost dance and use the Amazon node run a ES chest

[chilly radish]

if you increase by 100% how much is it

[slender furnace]

1.5 times 4 = 6

[left matrix]

mate.

[steady flint]

Naaah

[left matrix]

u start with 4m.. not 0\

[steady flint]

You both wrong?

[quick crown]

That's just what they initially said in an interview. I'm at work so not 100%

[steady flint]

150% = (150/100)+1=2.5 multiplier..
But 2.5 multiplier on 4m isnt 10m

[sonic peak]

yeah, that's what I'm thinking, but it would've been nice to get some ES stuff from the tree

[steady flint]

Im wondering what it is

[slender furnace]

Whats to wonder about....

[sterile latch]

"Steam and the standalone launcher will allow you to download the patch around 2 hours before the league launches without the use of the torrent. " they LIED. 😭

[steady flint]

What the true range of my presence would be, and its neither 6m nor 10m iirc

[chilly radish]

I'm wondering what number you come up with when you have 4m presence and 100% increased presence

[sonic peak]

do y'all think this will combo with the 'added phys with accuracy on weapon' node on the amazon? prob not right?

[tranquil inlet]

Nope

[left matrix]

4 x 2.5 is literally 10...

[steady flint]

Yes, but iirc area isnt calculated linearly no?

10m aoe is way more than 2.5×4m in area

[quick crown]

This argument between if it's 150% presence. Or +150% presence is sure something to watch

[steady flint]

Radius yes, but area no

[chilly radish]

the radius is 10, the area is a circle with radius 10

[steady flint]

I sure hope its 10m tho

[left matrix]

there isnt differentiating values, theres no MORE presence and INCREASED presence for there to be multiple multipliers..
Its just linear multiplication.

[sour stone]

Bro how are there already hunter builds?

[sonic peak]

wow, infinite accuracy and crit with the amazon node
(might be decent depending on how much you get)

[left matrix]

Oh ur not wrong about this one actually,

[slender furnace]

I'm coming up with i might be an idiot and you're correct

[steady flint]

But a 6 inch pizza has double the mass of a 4 inch pizza yes?

[left matrix]

Hmmm

[left matrix]

u can test urself with 90% increased for instance..

u cant say 4 x 0.9

.<

[steady flint]

But idk the calculation of how to do it, hence im asking

[left matrix]

A=πr2

[unique dock]

someone tell me what build to go i cant think for myself

[sour stone]

How are there any hunter builds online?

[quick crown]

The poe2db got the gem info

[steady flint]

Chonk self curse

[quick crown]

People are insane

[steady flint]

Because you hate urself

[sonic peak]

you talk as if 'making a build' was something hard

making it not suck is the hard part

[sour stone]

True

Hahah

[sonic peak]

and since the uniques are still fucked on poe2db, yeah, no one knows what builds will look like

[swift aspen]

Chance to hit is capped at 150% (12.5% crit)

[slender furnace]

You're never hitting that cap though

[swift aspen]

Nope

[sonic peak]

ik, I'm just saying that you'll want some 'inc crit rate' to reach 100%, and that will feed you more accuracy, which will further increase the base

[swift aspen]

Could get close-ish with maim and blind

Probably more like 10% crit though

And at what cost…

[left matrix]

Since Spear is 1h, and u get a shield that doubles ur accuracy value, and u can socket precision, and stack dex, and stack accuracy nodes, you can get around 62k accuracy currently.