2┃build-planning

[heady palm]

Attack Damage: (175–714)% of base
also scaling is kinda nuts, so maybe it'll be 1 hit per whole screen clear xd

[distant glade]

Cultist hammer was already doing that

[pseudo jay]

skill speed does attack speed doesnt. . but thats still very clunky ... each strike of the hammer = 1 empowered attack even if you wait for the entire duration thats still casting it every 4 attacks / 5 seconds (CD)

[neat bison]

Is it capped at 4 empowers or can you just keep smacking

[pseudo jay]

clearly this is meant for very slow slam skills

[pseudo jay]

it says max 4

[neat bison]

Ah ok

[heady palm]

these 2 make it REALLY playable imo

(assuming they work)

[hoary bolt]

btw it doesnt say empowrs hits, it says empowers attacks

infernal cry for example empowers the entire attack chain of flickerstrike

[pseudo jay]

so we can assume capped .. the scaling is really high tho.. but 1 thing im not sure about. .. is the 715% scaling is bonus on top of your hit? or does it replace your hit with this 715? meaning. . lets say you use a skill with 300% you you still do your 300% base skill + the 715% empowered after? or does the 715% overide the 300% and you gain basically 415% bonus as in 2.5x dmg?

[hoary bolt]

it also has melee tag

• to gem levels will boost it

[hoary bolt]

on top

its a separate hit

[heady palm]

i would guess it's based on weapon damage, not on top
otherwise we'd be getting CRAZY CRAZY numbers

[hoary bolt]

and separate supports

[pseudo jay]

100% it just require you to be a slower build so its not for any skill

[hoary bolt]

if you hith a 500% perfect strike its just another 700% hit

[heady palm]

melee is already pretty slow, esp with sunders that would take like 2s when ancestrally boosted.
I feel this could feel quite decent in comparison

[hoary bolt]

but separate supports

[distant glade]

Yeah I’m not hitting a anvil every 4 attacks , just not happening lol

[pseudo jay]

are you 100% sure of that? becuase i would guess that it override your skill %

[hoary bolt]

no way it overrides

that makes no sense at all

[pseudo jay]

it actually does. .. because its "empowered attack"

[heady palm]

on average you get 6 attacks if you use the support!

[hoary bolt]

its just a melee tagged aoe explosions

[candid otter]

Still thinking when the update to the true gameplay of POE (POB update 😄 )

[hoary bolt]

???

its a triggered aoe

its a separate hit entirely

like armour explosion support

[pseudo jay]

true ! you are right. . so does it also empower your attack or you need to use warcry or something to empower your attack also ?

[hoary bolt]

it empowers 4 attacks yes

[heady palm]

....HEAR ME OUT
Anvil mage thorns smacker????

[hoary bolt]

when you hit 4 times on the anvil

also the combust has melee tag, so it can be boosted with levels from a mace, gloves, amulet etc

at level 30 its 1504%

[pseudo jay]

i see ... so you would do your normal hit/skill dmg + the 715% trigger skill and this "skill" the kitava one is where you want to put not only dmg supports but also the empower and QoL right?

[hoary bolt]

yeah its basically another skill to do damage with

but simply triggered via your main melee attack

[distant glade]

Is the anvil a cancelable animation? Like can I hit once , roll out of it and get 1 empowered attack?

[hoary bolt]

should be yeah

its channeling

you can put supports in both your main skill and also this triggered combust

basically 2 six-links

[pseudo jay]

theres another thing tho to consider .. i cant find other good point to use with it? obv the 4 points for the resist and max are mandatory.. .but then the crafting body armor is not good with 2 points and its not worth 4 points since you odnt have 4 points if you select the empoer

[hoary bolt]

as long as you can be asses or find enough time to temper

[pseudo jay]

what would be the other 2?

[hoary bolt]

fire spell on hit maybe

[heady palm]

also this seems busted with Temper Weapon, just need a decent way to gain frenzy charges

[pseudo jay]

i was thinking about the trigger fire spell but we dont even see how much energy we get

[hoary bolt]

or the minion one and put utility supports in it

[distant glade]

I could pick like 6 things from the chest

[hoary bolt]

the animated weapon minion is immortal

so you can put like cull, pin, utility stuff

[distant glade]

You go 4 points for 90 max res and 4 armour

Get your damage on the tree

[hoary bolt]

temper is too good imo

also seems fun

but if it works like warcry empowerment its going to be insanely OP

[heady palm]

I think the only good armour ascendancy is

[distant glade]

5% life regen is really good

15 max life

[neat bison]

I’m curious if that hit and run support and hourglass interact

[distant glade]

75 fire res

[hoary bolt]

because warcry empowers apply to the entire attack, so if you hit with say supercharged slam, it might trigger the combust from every single hit

[neat bison]

Free % more if so

[pseudo jay]

i dont think spending 4 class poiints to get body armor that is slightly better than a rare or unique is worth it.. its ok but temper does look good

[heady palm]

fuck i guess i'm playing melee AGAIN

i wasn't gonna do it after getting baited on release

[hoary bolt]

ascendancy wheel time https://wheelofnames.com/wh4-awa

[distant glade]

It’s not slightly better lol you’re basically getting multiple unique affixes tailored to what you want

[heady palm]

all the attack time tanky supports seem busted too

[hoary bolt]

lmao

[heady palm]

gg

rolling

chronomancer eww

[distant glade]

5% life regen basically lets you run blood magic for free

[dusty kiln]

okay any smart people already figured out things that will work well on tactician?

[pseudo jay]

thing is we dont even know how good this is.. cause we dont even see how much energy we get. . and considering slow heavy hits of the anvil gameplay.. doesnt help stacking alot of energy so it would need to give alot of energy

[distant glade]

And you can wear the chest piece with life regen

[hoary bolt]

it might be based on hit damage

[distant glade]

75 fire res solves your res pretty much and gives you max res from the notable on the tree

[hoary bolt]

like how cast on crit is ailment threshold

[pseudo jay]

but then .. . why would you want to build life when energy shield is not even nerfed? you can esily get 10-15k ES why would you build around 3k life?

[distant glade]

15% max life is cracked

[pseudo jay]

you have 15% es on every single small passive on tree

thats what id call cracked

they didnt touch ES they jsut removed grim fest

[distant glade]

Because it’s cringe

[pseudo jay]

i mean.. . maybe but life is just very bad compared to ES and life is actually nerfed in a way that they removed some % life items and lowered % life on gear and on quest

so life is nerfed and ES not

[distant glade]

If you’re not playing hc it doesn’t make a difference honestly

[pseudo jay]

it does

[distant glade]

You’re just more protected against one shots with ES

[pseudo jay]

alot moe

more

like.. 5 times more

[distant glade]

Nah

[pseudo jay]

armor didnt even get buff

we all know how useless armour is

[distant glade]

It did slightly

But it’s still bad

[pseudo jay]

it did last league nothing in patchnote speak about armor being buffed

[distant glade]

You get a debuff from armor breaking

And bosses don’t have pen

[pseudo jay]

still 15k ES vs 3.5k ish life?

[distant glade]

How do you recover es?

[pseudo jay]

there are ways.. ghost dance

i mean...

[atomic totem]

Is sunder totem still good after the patch?

[distant glade]

And this is more like 10k vs 6k. I’ll take the lower health with better recovery

[pseudo jay]

i dont try to say that.. . if you have 4 points allocated into the body armor crafting that life build cant be good. . obv it can be good ! but my point is.. . that the cost for it is big. . because the anvil skill does look very strong. . so is it really better for you to spend 4 points into body armor or do you take 2 points for the anvil and just buy a rare/unique body armor ?

[pseudo jay]

no way you are getting 6k life without strength stacker. . also for ES trust me 15k ES is fairly concernative

but again my point is not that it wont be good

[distant glade]

I mean what else are you doing on warrior

[pseudo jay]

the 4 points body armor is very strong for life build

but the anvil points seems too good to ignore

and the fact that you spend 4 points of your class simply for not buying body armor

its maybe good early but not something id want to keep later when i can afford a good body armor

id rather buy kaoms heart 1k life and spend the 4 points elsewhere on my class

on anvil and maybe use the cast fire spell/minion as utility like someone mentioned above

[twin sierra]

life based kitava is gonna be very good

[pseudo jay]

yes . but do you spend 4 points on body armor or spend them elsewhere and buy another armor?

[twin sierra]

haven't seen if the other nodes are any good

but the body armor nodes are very strong

[pseudo jay]

they are abit tricky but after looking what someone mentioned here and looking into support gems im convinced that the anvil weapon can be really good

but require alot of skill speed

but at lvl 30 thats 1500% dmg

[twin sierra]

is there a poe2db page for it?

[pseudo jay]

tes

yes

there is

and alot of the new support gems focus on slow skills

you can also benefit from ignite on such skill

im assuming the ignite will be pretty decent dmg from a skill that has 1500% of base dmg

[dawn spire]

imagine playing anything but chrono in this, the year of our lord, 2025

[pseudo jay]

havent looked i will look chrono now but idk if they buffed it enough

[twin sierra]

it might be worth messing around with yeah altho it sounds like shit to use lol. Prob just a bossing thing

[dawn spire]

they could have left chrono untouched and it would still be insane because temporal rift is the last good way to restore ES

aside from conversion and grim feast overflow, total ES pools have been basically untouched

which means that having a way to restore ES is at an all-time premium

[twin sierra]

it's pretty rough tho cuz going body armour nodes with 2 points is maybe a little sketch

altho for life based the 25 phys as fire and %life is probably already better than any body armour you can get lol

[dawn spire]

yeah, early on you can definitely get more value out of the fire res node + a rare chest in the campaign

then swap to the chest nodes once you can get at least 4 of them, imo

[twin sierra]

hmm I'm not too sure, I feel picking chest nodes immediately might be the wave

[dawn spire]

idk, you can get like 75% res on a rare chest in the campaign pretty easily

[twin sierra]

Iirc you have so little resistances at that point that 150% res is insane to get

No shot, not in a2

[dawn spire]

Oh, wait, I forgot that you can also socket your chest and still get the bonuses...

hmmm

[twin sierra]

Yeah you just lose the rolls. I feel in my experience ur lucky to have like 30% res on chest at that point lol. In a2 when you do ascendancy

[dawn spire]

but if you take the res node, you also get 50% of your fire res as cold and lightning. and the small node is also 15% fire res (aka 30% total res)

[twin sierra]

Right I didn't think about the small node

Prob just gonna have to look at what u got and make a decision based on that

Respec should be quite cheap iirc

[dawn spire]

so if you have even 20% fire, cold, and lightning on your chest, you get 110% total res by going for coal stoker

plus life and other mods

plus another 20%ish from runes

[pseudo jay]

it is.. . but you can get decent body armours . . kaom is 1k HP and tbh with the noteable on tree you easily get 90% max fire ress with 0 investment. . and you only need fire ress on items.. so while i think 15% life and 5% regen are super nice to have... it still cost you 4 class points and the anvil weapon looks just too attractive right now.

the dmg seems to be

insane

[dawn spire]

imo, the chest nodes become worth when you can slap on +5% max fire res AFTER you have forged in flame

well, maybe sooner

[pseudo jay]

and maybe you will get to a point where you dont even need to use it while mapping

and only use it for bossing

[dawn spire]

but I would go coal stoker -> chest -> forged in flame -> chest

[pseudo jay]

that still gonna be insane dmg boost for bossing

[dawn spire]

and then put +5% max res and 25% phys as fire on the chest

[twin sierra]

Ill just make a decision based on how good my chest piece is by first lab probably. I have a feeling 150% res is gonna be hard to pass up

[dawn spire]

followed by 15% life and then whatever you want

[twin sierra]

The biggest thing is the 25 phys taken as fire

[dawn spire]

you're also getting twice the value out of fire res on ALL your pieces

[pseudo jay]

you dontneed the +5% max theres a notable on skill tree giving you 2% max fire ress per 40% uncapped fire ress

[dawn spire]

oh, shit

but can you actually get that much?

[twin sierra]

Yeah I just feel like you have like no res on gear at that point but maybe I'm misremembering lol

[dawn spire]

I'm looking at smith from an ssf standpoint

[dawn spire]

you need to read my guide then #1328202289755983932

In hcssf I had capped res by act 3

[pseudo jay]

yes this one is nice.. and the 5% life regen is really nice. . and the reduce dmg from crit is nice. .. but you can still get nice not as good but nice body armor unique/rare and spend your subclas on other points

[twin sierra]

Yeah I mean I do all those things and check vendors every level etc

[dawn spire]

tho with lesser runes, idk how much that will change, tbf

[pseudo jay]

easily... you only need like 200% ress? which you wanna do anyway to cap your other ress. . it just mean you only want fire ress on your gear. . basically not a single cold/lighting just fire+chaos

[lethal ginkgo]

Wait is bloodmage absolutley ass cause they cant use herald of blood?

[twin sierra]

Like on my first hcssf run I wasn't res capped before farming maps for like multiple hours lol

[dawn spire]

blood mage can use attacks, so it can use herald of blood. what are you talking about?

also herald of blood doesn't need attacks to proc it, does it?

[lethal ginkgo]

Yeah, but the ascendancy scales spell crit and spell damage mostly

[pseudo jay]

bro its really easy.. .think about it this way.. . in poe 2 you get only - 40. so you need total of 240 % fire ress.. each tier 1 fire ress is like 55%? that means you only need like 4-5 items with fire ress not even considering runes that you can either focus on new fire ress high tier runes or % life soulcores

[dawn spire]

the attack tag is just referring to the fact that the explosion from herald of blood deals attack damage

[lethal ginkgo]

herald of blood requires martial weapon

[dawn spire]

oh, I see

just use an attack with it

[lethal ginkgo]

Two Handed Mace bloodmage???

[dawn spire]

or bow, qstaff, spear, etc

[slender furnace]

Taking 5% max fire is never the play...you just take the uncapped fire res node adds to max and the 75% on chest

[dawn spire]

tru, I was thinking about doing this in like act 3

[pseudo jay]

you dont need 90% ress in act 3

[lethal ginkgo]

Yeah so the BLOOD MAGE class cant use Herald of BLOOD unless she uses a MARTIAL weapon. That's kinda stupid dont you think?

[pseudo jay]

its more for red maps

like highj tiers

[twin sierra]

I'd probably click 25 phys taken as, 5% regen, %life and %strength or something

on kitava

depends on exact build tho

[slender furnace]

Yes

[dawn spire]

Nope, ascendancies are not limited in what skills/gear they can use. Blood mage only has 2 out of its 8 notables that are specific to spells

edit: 3 because curses are spells

[twin sierra]

Also wtf just saw its 15% life, thought it was 10% life xdd

[halcyon perch]

Locking heralds to weapons is so weird, basically spits on concoctions on top of the removal of all the quiver/bow tech that killed them, also poison conc being turned into phys just makes it ultra ass since you can't scale the hit and the dot together anymore. Also heralds being locked to weapons sucks if they want an unarmed architype to exist in the future

[hoary bolt]

unnatural resilience was nerfed to 1% per 40 instead of 2% per 40 btw

[lethal ginkgo]

I think you are missing the point

So I am not gonna argue further

[dawn spire]

I think you're looking at ascendancies through too narrow of a lens

[lethal ginkgo]

This guy gets it

[near timber]

does eternal life interact with blood magic so that spells/attacks have no cost or wont you be able to cast?

[slender furnace]

No

[dawn spire]

once we get druid/primal abilities, I assume we're going to get a lot more unarmed support. So heralds might not even be that big of a deal

[twin sierra]

The 5% max fire definitely might be a click at some point too tho

Until you can get enough max fire elsewhere

[halcyon perch]

copium

[distant glade]

Yeah you take it early until you don’t need it

[dawn spire]

I mean, shapeshifted counts as unarmed, soo...

[slender furnace]

You don't even know that for sure...

[pseudo jay]

its easy pass you get 90% from just tree and taking fire ress on items. . easy pass.. . tbh my opinion is that the point i like most in that armor craft is the 5% regen becuse you cant get it elsewhere. .. and its just huge you will be recovering like 20% of your life per second with some investment into recovery rate

kinda like poe 1 RF

but then again the cost is just so big

[dawn spire]

demon form makes you unarmed, which is the only shapeshift ability we have so far

[pastel quartz]

Anyone have plans or know what to do if i want to group play as a duo? Carry + Support duo

[twin sierra]

Well it's not gonna be trivial to get that 90 max fire right after campaign I think if u don't click the 5 max node

[slender furnace]

You're speculating on things not even close to being in the game...

[pseudo jay]

and im telling you all you need for 90% is 240 fire ress + 1 notable on tre

[near timber]

where is the problem?

[dawn spire]

100% of the shapeshift abilities we have make you unarmed, I'm not speculating about that. I am speculating about future ones, yeah

[twin sierra]

That's nerfed to 1%

[slender furnace]

Yeah...that's what I said lol

[dawn spire]

tactician seems to be pretty solid for supporting an attack build

[dawn spire]

also, druid was initially planned to be in 0.1, so idk how close it actually is

[slender furnace]

Its months out....

We know they aren't dropping druid just in the middle of a patch

[pastel quartz]

wdym? I'm just lost looking for builds and what attackskills/auras are meta. Never played poe2 just poe1

[pastel quartz]

what's tactician? Any recommendations for attacking skills?

[dawn spire]

tactician is a new merc ascendancy

crossbows look like they're gonna be pretty solid

[pseudo jay]

ohhh really? they nerfed it after patch note?

[twin sierra]

Yep apparently, haven't seen it myself yet tho

[pseudo jay]

then ya its gonna be hard you gonna need + max fire ress it make sense that they nerf it but when i read the patchnote it wasnt mentioned

[near timber]

well, last meta got gutted and there are 2 new "supporting" ascendancies. just create a private party and stay updated after patch drop

[pastel quartz]

so like multiple banners and watch how i do it?

[dawn spire]

banners maybe, but definitely the one where it gives allies 25% of your weapon damage

[pseudo jay]

who said its nerfed? because i still dont see that on patchnote they didnt add it

[twin sierra]

I don't know lol

Don't take my word for it

[mossy anchor]

Hey, gonna try out PoE2 today after a long break from arpgs, is there someone cooking up a bleed build? Preferably a streamer so i can check the last vod or catch them live, so i can get some understanding of bleed/game mechanics

[pastel quartz]

wich one is the second one after tactician

[hoary bolt]

lich?

[near timber]

lich

[pastel quartz]

this with gravebinder? 25% really that much better than chrono?

Tactician support with Amazon carry doable maybe

[distant glade]

Goratha has a bleed Amazon YouTube video

[mossy anchor]

Thank you

[dawn spire]

Chrono is really solid defensively, yeah, but adding a FLAT 25% of your weapon damage to allies sounds like it can be insane. And so much is changing that we can't know for sure. But a minion tactician sounds like it can easily support an attack build

basically any ascendancy that can use attacks, ideally quickly

[slim slate]

Do you know if that flat 25 percent will apply to balistas?

[pastel quartz]

minion? is there some tech that lets you buff your carry as an minion?

Is gravebinder still a thing?

[dawn spire]

also, bonestorm on tactician with a carry proccing the impales sounds super meaty

[dull spade]

hey, what are decent options to automatically get power and frenzy charges?

[dawn spire]

I don't really see what good these would do you as a support unless you're rarity stacking

[pastel quartz]

maybe you can't be a rarity stacker and buff efficently at the same time?

[dawn spire]

I mean, depends on how many mods you want to give up I guess

minions also sounds less and less good the more that I realize you would need to use a high damage martial weapon to benefit from the 25% damage

but maybe raging spirits would be the play

they're a persistent buff and a minion so you'd have 50% less reservation for them

with some spectres perhaps. Maybe if you find a spectre that provides a persistent buff, it would count as having the tags "persistent" and " buff" and thus have 50% less reservation as well

[pastel quartz]

raging spirits doesn't buff the carry no??

[dawn spire]

no, but you'd buff your spirits with your weapon

[swift aspen]

Is there data on minion stat scaling per level? The database shows that higher gem levels reflect a decrease in spirit and increase in ‘minion level’, and common sense tells you that minions get more HP and base damage per level, but is that info datamined anywhere for reference?

[pastel quartz]

so the support also deals dmg or what?

[dawn spire]

and just having minions would allow you to do lots of other stuff. There are soooo many new supports that interact with minions

idk if you're planning on solely playing with a carry

[pastel quartz]

yes only duo

[dawn spire]

and early on, raging spirts would just be nice to have

tbh, I've never done minions in poe2 and no one has touched banners so this is new territory

[pastel quartz]

We're probably winging it with amazon and tactician see if we can get it done then

[slender furnace]

I dont see how you're playing minions without a scepter

[dawn spire]

just using spectres for buffs

[slender furnace]

Thats not really playing minions then

[dawn spire]

I still want to see if the bog witches can drown uber pinnacles in 3 seconds like they do with players

[slender furnace]

Of course not

Lmfao

[dawn spire]

gotta rush them on day 1 and see before they patch it

[slender furnace]

You're delusional if you think that slipped through

[swift aspen]

I’m confident that’s the first thing they ensured wouldn’t happen as an interaction

[mossy anchor]

How does bleed work against ES? Did they change it for 0.2?

[dawn spire]

idk man, all it takes is one intern to go back and edit the code

[swift aspen]

The sheer amount of memes that came out

[slender furnace]

It doesn't work against es

[dawn spire]

nope, still need to damage life to inflict bleed

[mossy anchor]

huh

[swift aspen]

Cannot inflict bleed through ES I think is what he is saying

[slender furnace]

It works the same as it did

[swift aspen]

No changes to that basic mechanic

[swift aspen]

But lots of support to bleed coming out so who knows, I just doubt they’d release anything that completely ignores a basic, fundamental mechanic

[dawn spire]

isn't that what poe is all about? laying down rules and then releasing a support gem, keystone, or unique that says, "But actually..."

[slender furnace]

They wont...that would be like a unique item thing

[swift aspen]

To an extent yes

[slender furnace]

No, that's not at all how support gems work...that's how uniques work or keystones

[dawn spire]

in poe2 support gems are way crazier with their drawbacks tho

some of them are kinda keystone-esque in how they change skills

[swift aspen]

Sending again in case someone knows:

Is there data on minion stat scaling per level? The database shows that higher gem levels reflect a decrease in spirit and increase in ‘minion level’, and common sense tells you that minions get more HP and base damage per level, but is that info datamined anywhere for reference?

I’m trying to understand the differences between a lvl X skeletal warrior/sniper/reaper in terms of base HP, defenses (if any), and damage range

[dawn spire]

all I know of is this from the patch notes:
"Adjusted Minion Damage and Life scaling. General Damage and Life is the same early game, but lower than before at higher levels, especially past Gem level 20+."

[swift aspen]

Not including the command skill obviously

Yeah I seent that too

But even poe2db just shows how gem level affects spirit and minion level

Whereas totem gems and other skill gems actually show the mined basic damage ranges

[dawn spire]

If I had to guess, I'd wager they scale their life similarly to enemies and their damage similarly to our skill gems (about 10%ish per level?)

but that's a complete guess

[swift aspen]

But even then, some gems vary greatly with their scaling per gem levels

They’re nerfing magma barrier now but it’s scaling was/is so gross

4M damage on block 🤣

[swift aspen]

Litch MoM minion build stacking int/mana/ES; it’ll probably more beneficial early/mid game if/when your ES gets shredded and you’re sustaining off of minion kills

[dawn spire]

how do you sustain off of minion kills?

[swift aspen]

Otherwise ZPDS magic find build, but we’d have to wait and see how nerfed MF is

[swift aspen]

60 mana gained on kill x2 on rings

[dawn spire]

ah

[pastel quartz]

doesnt Precision effect party members? Is it only yourself?

[swift aspen]

Something dumb like that

Again, I could see a benefit in early-mid game

[dawn spire]

just you. Auras that affect allies only exist on scepters as far as I'm aware
edit: and banners

[swift aspen]

But late game if your ES is getting popped, gg

[shell bluff]

Minion kills dont count

[pastel quartz]

ohh, that's pretty shit then

[swift aspen]

Check the unique I was responding to

[dawn spire]

we're talking gravebind

[shell bluff]

Roger

[swift aspen]

Just considering a use case for it beyond ZDPS MF stack

You could become a mana battery with it too

Suck your mana when minion uses spell, mana back on kill

But I don’t play minions so I know that mechanic exists but not which minions it exists for and how much it matters

Also doesn’t really provide an impact on bossing

🤷🏼‍♀️

[tawdry solstice]

How does increased magnitude work

[dawn spire]

it increases the magnitude of anything that has a magnitude

[tawdry solstice]

So magnitude of bleeding just means it does more damage ?

[dawn spire]

increased magnitude of bleed = more damage with bleed (additive with other increased magnitude, but multiplicative with everything else)

[rancid thicket]

Not sure but last number I saw for unholy might buff was ~2k mana to increase it from 30 to 80

[tawdry solstice]

Got it thanks so it should be good for my bleed build I'm working on

[dawn spire]

depends on what you're giving up for it, but it's definitely beneficial

[rancid thicket]

Ignore me, thought you were talking about lich unholy might and it's magnitude buff

[tawdry solstice]

I'm working on a crossbow bleed build

[celest oxide]

I have no idea what to do for starter

[tawdry solstice]

This is my first attempt at not copying someone else's build so hopefully I don't suck

[dawn spire]

chaos DoT is looking hella cracked imo

[celest oxide]

Bleed Spears Amazon sounds fun I guess

[dawn spire]

they added so many supports that benefit chaos dots and lich also exists

[celest oxide]

I saw a broken idea for xbow infusion amazon as well but idk

[dawn spire]

I'm going Chrono or smith for hc viability, but I'm 1000% going chaos dot

[celest oxide]

Hmm Lich was actually the one new asc I haven’t been grabbed by yet

[dawn spire]

if you're not a fan of chaos dot, then probs not

[celest oxide]

Smith and Amazon both look cool imo because doing something special with your armour is fun imo

[tawdry solstice]

If you have 20% chance to inflict bleed on hit and 20% chance to inflict ailments does that stack bleed to 40% chance ?

[celest oxide]

Chaos Dot with like

Hexblast?

I’ve played Hexblast before

[dawn spire]

but they're buffing decaying hex from 60% of int base damage to 100%.
They're also adding a new support called derange that multiplies damage based on your int and mana drain

hexblast isn't a DoT

essence drain, contagion, decaying hex, maybe some dark effigy thrown in there

soulrend maybe

I'm likely going chronomancer because I want temporal rift and ES stacking

but imo chaos dot is gonna be a very solid starter. It was already decent in 0.1

hell, blood mage also looks pretty good for it

[swift aspen]

Unholy might is 30%; every 100 mana is 4% increase (1.2% more in this case)

2K mana = 80% increase = 54%

[dawn spire]

which is about 18.5% more damage

assuming no other sources of extra damage as X

[swift aspen]

But as it is more, it’s almost always a stronger source

When you’re mid- or end-game spec’d in the tree and in gear

Early game it’s not as strong in some cases

[rancid thicket]

Isn't added damage just a flat % increase?

[slender furnace]

No, more is always stronger if you have any increased anywhere

[swift aspen]

Though it’s not really an opportunity cost in the Litch case for the basic buff

[rancid thicket]

100 damage. 30% added damage. 130 damage?

[swift aspen]

That’s why I distinguished both early game and some

[dawn spire]

I'm not sure what you mean by "flat % increase" since each of those three terms have their own meanings

[slender furnace]

Its stronger even in early game

[swift aspen]

Yes and all increases are in a singular bucket

[still rock]

40% flat increased more nearby damage

[dawn spire]

going from 130% damage (base unholy might) to 154% damage (unholy might buffed by your mana) is 18.5% more damage because 154/130 = 1.185

[rancid thicket]

Aye, so how did you arrive at 18.5%? Or was that for something else?

[swift aspen]

You seldom find more in a quantity anywhere near added

[rancid thicket]

Ohhhh

[swift aspen]

In reference to Unholy, 0 mana is 130% of your damage, 2K is 154%

[dawn spire]

going from no unholy might at all to the buffed one is 54% more, yes

[swift aspen]

154/130 = 1.185

Wtf does discord math my words or does my iPhone

My mind was just blown

[rancid thicket]

Ah yes, I see what you're saying now

[fringe lagoon]

They nerfed infusion hard from 600% damage to 130%

[swift aspen]

But it’s important to consider that even if you’re not building full mana you could very well end up in the hundreds, so it’s not the right comparison (0 to 2K)

[celest oxide]

Oh lmfao never mind then

[swift aspen]

But that sort of math comparison is particularly important to minmaxing once you’re in your gear

[dawn spire]

but you could take the first node for unholy might + mana drain and then decide if you want to take the node that buffs it based on your mana

[swift aspen]

Magma shield will still be broken AF 🤣

[fringe lagoon]

I was trying to make Elemental Infusion Amazon work in https://discord.com/channels/174993814845521922/1357291963308703754 but it's not worth the hassle with such nerf

[swift aspen]

Maybe a 50% damage nerf but that means 2M damage instead of 4M 🤷🏼‍♀️

[fringe lagoon]

They also made it so that charges cannot be generated by Choir

As well as made infusion not trigger on melee projectiles

[dawn spire]

isn't melee projectile a contradiction in terms?

[swift aspen]

Probably not with spears

Haven’t checked though

[fringe lagoon]

I wanted to use this as it consume a lot of charges AND it is a projectile

[timid aurora]

Okay so pathfinder is dead. How about Chayula what builds will that have now

[dawn spire]

every hit can only be either melee damage or projectile damage, not both. as far as I know

[fringe lagoon]

But they added the melee tag in 0.2

[swift aspen]

But falling thunder and shattering palm

[timid aurora]

Any possible OP Chayula.builds

[swift aspen]

So these are typically in multi-hit scenarios

An initial melee strike leads to projectiles

Usually with their own damage range and coefficients

[slender furnace]

Pathfinder has one of the strongest defensive ascendancy points in the game...don't see how it's dead

[rancid thicket]

Aye, it was more comparing it in my mind with Infernalist. I'm napkin mathing the prospect of Lich damage potential vs Infernalist, where Infernalist will have much more spirit than Lich (Health Stacking for Ascendancy Node and using that shield that gives 1sp per 50 max life) therefore more minions and it's likely hard to manage fire damage aura against Lich's Unholy Might buff. But I think the difference is going to be night and day since more minions is a dps multiplier

[swift aspen]

But +skill should affect the skill from either source

[dawn spire]

right, so did they mean to say "projectiles from a melee skill"?

[timid aurora]

Won't it do a fraction of deadeye dps. What build?

[dawn spire]

because there's no such thing as a melee projectile

just like there's no such thing as a slam spell

[swift aspen]

Dunno I’m not reading what they are reading

[fringe lagoon]

You think Infuse Weapon would work with Falling Thunder?

[dawn spire]

yeah, you meant to say "projectiles from a melee skill". It won't work

[timid aurora]

Maybe gas arrow PF?

[swift aspen]

STR-stack and use molten blast

[unreal girder]

How much worse is lightning rod for early lvling?

[swift aspen]

It’s not bad from my experience

But I haven’t read .2 changes if any to it

[unreal girder]

Well...

[fringe lagoon]

How would you generate charges though?

[unreal girder]

Thats literally my question

Dunno how to lvl gemling arti ballista till ~40

[halcyon perch]

oof its not 600% anymore huh

[fringe lagoon]

Yeah..

[timid aurora]

What build for PF tomarrow

[dawn spire]

Lightning arrow + volt + hit and run

Zoom

[timid aurora]

Oh ok. No cool dot stuff?

[dawn spire]

Or spiral volley

[timid aurora]

Dollar store deadeye

[dawn spire]

I mean, I'm just throwing out random builds. You didn't ask for good ones

They seem cool in my head

[timid aurora]

I like poison

But not sure if posion is good next paych

[dawn spire]

Poison spiral volley with hit and run + volt

[timid aurora]

Poison flask nerf seems so big that even looks bad as side support skill

[unreal girder]

Concoctions look dead tbfh

[timid aurora]

Maybe bleed PF with bleed cond and bleed spears skills

[mossy anchor]

Do other dots get f'd by ES or just bleed?

[timid aurora]

Swap

[abstract lake]

guys,,, i still wanna go spark fml

[dawn spire]

Until you find an enemy with ES and cry

[dawn spire]

Just bleed

Chaos does extra damage to es, actually

[fringe lagoon]

Ah yes, Spark Archmage—officially deceased, declared dead by the wise sages of ⁠Church of Stormweaver, global chat, and wherever else exiles gather to mourn nerfs. It's true, exile: they only nerfed Spark, Archmage, Morior, Force of Will, Against the Darkness, Strike Twice, Small Mana Ascendancy Passive Skills, Polymathy, Spaghettification, Eldritch Battery, Mana Blessing, Raw Mana, Dream Fragments, Ingenuity, Melting Maelstrom, mana rolls on all gear, %Mana roll on amulet, Mahux, Jewel Slots, Conductivity, and movement speed while tapping Spark, Lightning rod.

What remains? Merely a hollow shell, a shadow of its former glory.

[mossy anchor]

Oh yeah forgot about that

[abstract lake]

I'm well aware of all of that, I'm still going to level one and figure it out

[unreal girder]

If poe1 is any indication, spark can survive anything

[fringe lagoon]

Good luck exile

[bright locust]

godspeed worm

[abstract lake]

end game gear gonna be too expensive for huntress...

[dawn spire]

Don't forget flame wall (:

[distant glade]

Spark is bad in poe 1 lol

[unreal girder]

No it isnt lol

[distant glade]

Log into poe 1 and play it right now

Maybe super end game with min maxed gear it might feel okay

[celest blaze]

Please let us know how it goes

With all due respect I sincerely hope it is terrible now, it flew WAY too close to the sun

[dawn spire]

In order to say if anything is good or bad in poe, you need to clarify what you mean by good/bad or it'll be impossible to have a real conversation

[distant glade]

It’s bad because it is

[dawn spire]

That doesn't even clarify anything but I did my best

[wispy needle]

only in act 3 though😅

[unreal girder]

It has a perfectly fine playrate on poeninja

Its demonstrably fine

[sick furnace]

Spark is definitely bad in poe1 lol. You need such high investment for it to feel okay.

[mossy anchor]

Are there many mobs/bosses with ES?

[unreal girder]

Poe players just like to pretend anything that isnt the best is shit

[distant glade]

When’s the last time you played spark in poe 1

It is so not worth the investment

[dawn spire]

I don't know of any bosses off the top of my head, but rare monsters can have an ES mod

[sick furnace]

Shauny has never had a build over 100div. Referencing poe ninja playrate as if those builds aren't multiple mirrors

[abstract lake]

sorc with a lightning spear maybe

[unreal girder]

Hey Ive had one!

[dawn spire]

Also I think there's a map mod that grants all monsters es

Including the boss

[tidal birch]

Any good league starter build youtube video recommendations that are not bait?

[dawn spire]

Nope

[distant glade]

No

[dawn spire]

They're all bait rn

[mossy anchor]

Guess i can skip rares but bosses would be a slight problem

[gloomy ice]

BLEED STONKS

[unreal girder]

Hard to know anything for sure atm

[tidal birch]

how to find a working league starter?

[hidden siren]

best league starter is the friends u made along the way

[dawn spire]

You can peruse them for ideas, but I wouldn't follow any "guide" that's published for 0.2 rn

[timid aurora]

Crap. I'll try some gas arrow build then.

[distant glade]

Play the game and discover it

[dawn spire]

I make my own

[hidden siren]

eye of winter got crit killed

[timid aurora]

Or maybe gas grenade gemling

Grenade build

[tidal birch]

I dont enjoy making builds, I know that from poe1, I only want to blast maps for 1 week then quit and wait for next league

[timid aurora]

But won't dead eye be best for any grenade build

[unreal girder]

Play something that has many options like deadeye

[distant glade]

Poe 1 still exists

There’s no blasting in this

[hidden siren]

play diablo 4 if u want to mindlessly blast

[tidal birch]

Already played the current league, and I already quit the league

[timid aurora]

Also gemling and kitava

[distant glade]

Then I guess wait a few days for a build guide

[hidden siren]

i think huntress will be good

[distant glade]

Anyone making a build guide right now is wrong

[hidden siren]

spears, not so much

[unreal girder]

Most likely yes

+1 proj is very good

[hidden siren]

merc does nades too

[timid aurora]

What build will gemling now excel at

[dawn spire]

Personally I'm just going chaos dot, something that was not nerfed in the patch notes. It also looks like it's been hella buffed if the data mining is to be believed

[timid aurora]

Since stat stack nerd

[unreal girder]

Artillery ballista

[dawn spire]

Minions seem good with it

[distant glade]

What skills ?

[hidden siren]

people act like stat stack is completely dead

[timid aurora]

More so than Tactician?

[unreal girder]

Xd

Tactician is bait af

[hidden siren]

tactician looks so bad

[timid aurora]

Hmmm but u get totem DMG and friend dmg

[dawn spire]

Essence drain, contagion, despair + Decaying hex, blasphemy+temp chains, and dark effigy + withering touch

Likely two essence drains

[hidden siren]

if there was a human companion u got to gear itll be good

[timid aurora]

And a friend attack skill

[unreal girder]

Friend dmg doesnt work on totems

[distant glade]

Sounds fun

[timid aurora]

Oh wtf

Pathetic

[unreal girder]

And the focused ballista node is straight up a qol nerf

Might as well just play a hit build

[hidden siren]

i dont get having a support ascendancy

this isnt wow

[tidal birch]

Mh. What about just looking for a "pure" leveling spec for the acts and then respec later into something else. Could that be the play? Of course the leveling spec could also be nerfed... so eh.

[distant glade]

Sure

[civic temple]

is rarity culler still viable as support, or did they nerf that?

[timid aurora]

So tactician will be better off using the companion

Like ghost or pet

[unreal girder]

Sure

[timid aurora]

Hmm cool

I also heard someone say titan or kitava ballista could be good

[unreal girder]

But tactician just looks meh frankly

[unreal girder]

Yes

Sure

[timid aurora]

The defense node confuses me on tact

What's 200% defend

[unreal girder]

Essentially double armoir

[dawn spire]

If you have 1000 armor, you count as having 2000 armor vs hits instead

But your total damage reduction from said armor cannot exceed 50%

Which, imo, is very hard to reach anyway vs hits that actually matter. I think that node is very strong

[unreal girder]

Yep that node is pretty neat

[dawn spire]

Tactician, Smith, pathfinder, chrono, and infernalist looking pretty slick for making a hc build imo

[drifting cedar]

Basically doubles armor but not for anything which scales off of armor. I don't think we have a replica dreamfeather in poe 2 yet, but maybe who knows

im pretty excited to try a smith in hc. temper + infernal cry might be a boss oneshot machine for 2 ascendancy points

[mighty wing]

its actually not only a support

[swift aspen]

Kitava magma shield will be so busted

[timid aurora]

Oh nice

[unreal girder]

Do we have numbers on temper?

[drifting cedar]

700% combust, 4 attacks, requires channel beforehand

so its very much a prep attack

[swift aspen]

90% resist across the board, 80+% physical mit, 100% crit immunity, 2M dmg on block

Plus ~10% life regen per second

OKAY

[unreal girder]

What does 700% combust mean

[drifting cedar]

oh sorry

so you whack your anvil up to 4 times, empowering up to 4 attacks. empowered attacks release a phys to fire converted aoe pop for 700% attack damage

at max level

[unreal girder]

Ah ok that does sound strong, but annoying af

[swift aspen]

Anvil play sounds so gross to me other than bossing

[dawn spire]

You can also support that skill with stuff to speed it up, hopefully

[drifting cedar]

yeah it does not sound great for general clearing

[slender furnace]

That tactician armour node is unusable imo...50% cap is trash

[dawn spire]

???

[swift aspen]

But can the 700% be scaled? There are so many skills that are around that coefficient at high gem level

[drifting cedar]

dude 50% is almost unreachable

[swift aspen]

Sounds like it would be broken af early game tho

[drifting cedar]

it doesnt start at 700, its 150-700ish

[dawn spire]

Unreachable Vs hits that matter*

[slender furnace]

?

[swift aspen]

Sounds even worse then 😞

[drifting cedar]

but presumably the channel skill and the combust are both supportable

[mighty wing]

they said in the interview that it wouldnt be this short use time

[slender furnace]

Max pdr is 50% max evade is 50% is trash

[dawn spire]

Getting to 50% physical dr vs big hits is incredibly difficult with armor scaling

[drifting cedar]

maybe actually impossible right now

tactician armour node makes armour actually function

[unreal girder]

Unless you have like a 100k armour its not lol

[dawn spire]

The % shown on your character page is your armor's effectiveness vs a hit from a white mob at your level

[slender furnace]

And if you have low armour defending with 200% means nothing

[dawn spire]

Roughly

[swift aspen]

I feel like the only play for tactician is a gnarly 2H with busted damage

[left vortex]

does ritualist look promising to anyone?

[slender furnace]

I understand how armour works

[drifting cedar]

I feel like the play for tactician is tanky totem guy in HC

[swift aspen]

Then build tank and slam banners while your totems/minions do work

[left vortex]

the blood boil skill seems interesting

[unreal girder]

No but if you have decent armour it is.

[mighty wing]

theres the ballista path. and also a possible pin route

if we get new pin supports

[swift aspen]

Totems have pretty solid coefficients but they’re typically hosed due to their base damage

[drifting cedar]

I've never messed with pin. can you just perma pin bosses?

does pin decay like stun?

[swift aspen]

But the boosted base damage from tactician could be huge

For totem play

[hoary bolt]

bosses have a CC cooldown

[dawn spire]

Then you know that if you currently can achieve maybe 25% reduction vs big hits with insane Armour investment, that tactician node is very good. Hell, even if you can reduce it by 30%, you still get full value out of that node. No way you're going over 50% easily with that node

[unreal girder]

What boosted dmg

[mighty wing]

idg where you got the buff not working on them tho

[unreal girder]

Theyre not allies

[mighty wing]

need to see it in action after release

[hoary bolt]

they have their own weapon

[dawn spire]

It's like freeze, they get to 100%, get pinned, and have a time where they have massively reduced pin buildup

[austere reef]

Finish the sentence: At least they didn’t nerf ____________

[hoary bolt]

but their offensive stats scale off of you

[dawn spire]

Chaos dot

[hoary bolt]

grenades

[unreal girder]

Crossbows

[dawn spire]

Uhhhh

[drifting cedar]

since when are totems not allies

[hoary bolt]

did you see the %s on explosive and voltaic?

[mighty wing]

we just need to see after the realease

[hoary bolt]

CD doesnt matter tbh

[dawn spire]

Did you see the cooldowns?

[hoary bolt]

when you cycle through 3 grenades

[dawn spire]

If you say so

[desert socket]

Does grenade damage count as projectile damage?

[unreal girder]

Yes

[hoary bolt]

it was impossible to nade cycle before with a 1.3 second cooldown

[mighty wing]

who likes to cycle in 1 button meta

[slender furnace]

Yeah i disagree. That node will not be picked by anyone. It's dogshit. Armour is already trash. If you're relying purely on armour for defense you're stacking it...and capping all pdr at 50% is teash

[dawn spire]

I mean, grenade chrono is sitting pretty so I'm fine to say nades didn't get nerfed

[drifting cedar]

im like 95% sure totems are allies

[hoary bolt]

each grenade is around 2.5 to 3 sec now

[drifting cedar]

everything is an ally, its party members that is restrictive

[hoary bolt]

so if you cycle through explosive, voltaic, and gas its fine

more than fine actually

[unreal girder]

Well maybe Im wrong then, but Ive always understood it as totems are s proxy not an actual minion/companion etc

[dawn spire]

If players currently can only reach 20-30% pdr from armor, then that node just doubles your armor with no downside. And requires less investment into evasion to reach 50% evasion chance

[drifting cedar]

it can still be an ally while not being a minion

[mighty wing]

would be totally idiotic if it didnt work tho

[swift aspen]

Artillery ballista is 575 (460-690) base damage; you can pull 400-800 damage off of a 2h mace

Effectively doubling or more the base damage of ballistae

[dawn spire]

But you can put down like 4 ballista totems

[hoary bolt]

you scale gem levels on totems anyway which giga boosts the base phyhs

its 25%

[hoary bolt]

no

[timid aurora]

Do banners bufd totems

[hoary bolt]

its 25% of your weapon

[timid aurora]

Buff

[mighty wing]

bufd

[swift aspen]

Ah yeah I’m braindead ty

[slender furnace]

You're literally the only person I've seen think that node is good...

[hoary bolt]

also totems get like 1500 base phys at high level

[dawn spire]

And that makes it bad?

[swift aspen]

100-200 then

[hoary bolt]

it is good though

[drifting cedar]

I think that node is good also, i think the prereq node isn't though

[swift aspen]

Not really a huge boost

[timid aurora]

Maybe the play with tactician is the big pet

[hoary bolt]

the prereq node is goated actually

[timid aurora]

Or ghost

[hoary bolt]

basically immune to stun and ailments

[drifting cedar]

is it? i think i have blinders on and just want to do pure armor tactician

[dawn spire]

I guess with the nerf to our ailment threshold, yeah

[mighty wing]

you get the totem attack speed and and the main hand scaleing, or the banner one

[drifting cedar]

ive not tried to do armor + evasion in poe 2 yet

[unreal girder]

Its def good

Any attack you get over 50% reduction atm is not worth reducing by more than 50%

[mighty wing]

the armor one seems like a hinderance

[hoary bolt]

yeah ailment and stun threshold for charcters was halved

i./e only half of hp now

[swift aspen]

Pin tactician could maybe be good I guess

[hoary bolt]

if you get like 10k/10k ar/ev you're gucci

immune to ailments and stun essentially

[dawn spire]

Getting to 50% pdr from armor vs big hits is basically impossible at the moment

[slender furnace]

Well if you're the only person on one side, and everyone else sees how trash it is...who's the outlier?

[unreal girder]

Getting the focused ballista node kinda defeats the purpose of being a totem build

[abstract nimbus]

yo, are there any good builds to find thatll work great for starting this league?

[mighty wing]

pin was my first plan, would maybe need to go bow

[timid aurora]

Does banner effect totems

[mighty wing]

its a dps increase

[dawn spire]

Saying something is true because most people say it's true is a logical fallacy known as the appeal to popularity

[slender furnace]

You act like only big hits exist as well

[summer pasture]

They count as allies, but when you cast totems they snap shot what buffs and charges and gear you have on so you can't buff them after they are cast

[timid aurora]

And what's the most ballistas I can have put at once

[drifting cedar]

small hits getting cut in half and then evading half of them is also pretty good mitigation tho

[unreal girder]

Only if youre attacking

If you need to stop attacking all your dmg is poof

Why not just be an attack build then?

[timid aurora]

I guess don't take that node

[mighty wing]

they might have just changed this, since they semi marketed tact as a ballista spec

[slender furnace]

Has nothing to do with appealing to authority...

[timid aurora]

Which warrior class is now best for totems

[mighty wing]

bc i mean why wouldnt you attack

[slender furnace]

You can literally just play evasion/block without capping at 50%...

[hoary bolt]

thats appeal to popularity

[unreal girder]

Moving, dodging,placing totems

[hoary bolt]

but I get your point

[drifting cedar]

right yeah. you can. but then you can't get 50% PDR realistically against things that can 1shot you

why is this an argument

[mighty wing]

they aint rapid fireing either way

[unreal girder]

That node would fuck with your clear so much

[mighty wing]

you just run explosive shot and the ballistas take care of whats left

[swift aspen]

Magma Barrier Kitava is going to pop off once someone actually gears one

[slender furnace]

Because you have to evaluate alternatives?

Whatever boss, take that node...enjoy your shit build lol

[mossy anchor]

💀

[timid aurora]

What about magma blastr

[swift aspen]

I loved magma blast on a stat stacker

[unreal girder]

Ok, so why even have ballistas, just buff your explo shot so you dont need ballistas

[swift aspen]

With falcon dive

But it’s still clunky

Even with insane attack speed

I think they have a hidden added cast speed on it

[river oriole]

Because ballistas are fun and draw aggro of enemies.

[swift aspen]

But it was still very fun

[mighty wing]

bossing dmg

[timid aurora]

At that point just be explosive shot deadeye or gemling

[swift aspen]

And if you knew the spacing you could shot gun tf out of mobs

[unreal girder]

If I wanted exclusively bossing dmg I wouldnt be tactician in the first place

[swift aspen]

I might try it again in 0.2 depending on changes and added support gems

[slender furnace]

Well yeah...tactician is a shit ascendancy for anything not support or totem oriented...and tbd on totems even

[timid aurora]

And what about Chaluya. What will he do

[mighty wing]

not exclusively duh

[mossy anchor]

God i love when players don't know shit before the launch, so much chaos

[unreal girder]

You could still just run ballistas and an attack on another ascendancy and get more out of it

[mighty wing]

might, and then again might not

[unreal girder]

Like

Take deadeye

[mighty wing]

bro is trying to talk sense and turn me away from the build but the hipster in me is strong

[timid aurora]

Ya but tactician gets supressing fire
Maybe it's OP

[astral ermine]

I think the best route is to stay in your starter gear you first pick up and don't spend any points till you hit 90, pretty much winning the game.

[unreal girder]

You get the 30% skillspeed for voth the totem AND you attack

[mint meadow]

Bone Shrapnel is insane wtf

[timid aurora]

What's that

[mighty wing]

i might just dump the whole ballista bs for now and go for fire spear smith first as i planned before😒

[swift aspen]

But that requires two buttons 😞

[drifting cedar]

6l SRS tactician is the move clearly

50% reduced rservation

[mint meadow]

on a boss who cares

[swift aspen]

LOOK, if I have to press more than one button it’s obviously unsustainable/s

[mighty wing]

two buttons on my 1 button game😒

[timid aurora]

Ballsits buffs look good. I think a safe choice for them is gemling or one of the warrior classes

Kitava ballsits for ez game

[slender furnace]

Tactician will ONLY be good for totems if the weapon damage node actually works on it

[candid otter]

problematic for mapping, need to constantly reset them lol

[mighty wing]

gemling is kinda iffy

[drifting cedar]

don't SRS have really low base damage

just summon a bunch of those with a 2h mace

[swift aspen]

But ripwire is your easy pin source

[candid otter]

https://maxroll.gg/poe2/pob/y45ek00g

[drifting cedar]

you can even str stack with supporting fire

[timid aurora]

That would be sweet

[candid otter]

gemling is decent with hp stacking

[swift aspen]

You just have to actually secure the kill yoruself

[timid aurora]

Ohh darn

[drifting cedar]

I wish the 200% defend node was first cause you could do str stack + 2h mace + big armor summoner as tactician

[candid otter]

just do gemling +2 to minion skills lol

[manic perch]

hey everyone
I need advice
I played with monks before and wanna try something new now
was thinking about titan with minions? or something nice with crossbow? any advice is welcome
thanks

[mighty wing]

supporting fire pin build inc?

[slender furnace]

The threshold node is lightyears better than the armour node

[drifting cedar]

i mean i think its the move to take it in this case, yeah

[candid otter]

Just lifestack 😄

[timid aurora]

Tactician true call of doody build

[drifting cedar]

its that or double banner which doesnt make sense as summoner

[dawn spire]

My advice is to play what your heart desires and it'll probably work as long as you have some coherent build concept. They gutted all the bonkers stuff so it should be a much more even playing field, at least for the first week

[candid otter]

Well, it looks like they add bonkers staff with new uniques again

Hi 550% damage increase with lucky damage from one helmet

[drifting cedar]

oh did new uniques release?

[swift aspen]

Does more damage socketed into a skill become additive or multiplicative with more damage in the passive tree?

[candid otter]

additive

[dawn spire]

All "more" is always multiplicative with everything else*

[candid otter]

not with more but with increase damage

[drifting cedar]

more is always multiplicative

[tranquil star]

Does Spear have much good poison interaction? Was thinking possibly poison pathfinder spear build

[candid otter]

there are no more damage on jewels

only damage increase

[swift aspen]

Extraction?

[dawn spire]

They never mentioned jewels

[drifting cedar]

he didnt say jewels

[candid otter]

Ah, my bad

missread stuff

yep, multiplicative

[swift aspen]

Like if I have Extraction support gem

[dawn spire]

Pent, get out of my head

[swift aspen]

Ah okay multi

[slender furnace]

No...more isn't multiplicative with itself.

[candid otter]

extraction is extra damage, as I remember

[dawn spire]

If you have two things that both say more damage, they are indeed multiplicative

[swift aspen]

Extraction is ‘as extra’ (more) damage

[dawn spire]

I should have said "everything else"

[slender furnace]

Thats fair

[swift aspen]

Or is extra =/= more

[opaque bluff]

As extra is not more by any chance

[dawn spire]

It's extra damage, which is kinda like more damage, but only if you have no other sources of extra damage. Then it becomes not quite "more"

[opaque bluff]

as extra stacks with other as extras, mores are unique, and multiply with everything

[dawn spire]

Like, if you have 100 damage and get 20% extra, that's 20% more damage. But if you get another 20% extra, that's only 140/120 = 16.7% more

[swift aspen]

So [source] x [increases bucket] x [extra bucket] x [more x more x more…]

[dawn spire]

X all the other buckets, yeah

[swift aspen]

Yeah just simplifying it to those specific sources

[dawn spire]

Like crit, hit rate, etc

[left vortex]

Does anyone else think ED contaigon will still suck?

[dawn spire]

No. It's gonna be insane

[left vortex]

wont it still fall off like crazy?

[dawn spire]

They buffed Ed dot by about 50% if the datamining is to be believed

And they added loads of good supports for them

And buffed decaying hex

[left vortex]

hmm

you think the lich subclass would be BIS?

[hybrid vigil]

im going lich ed cont

[swift aspen]

Contagion should pop off

[dawn spire]

Dauntless + hourglass + zenith gonna slap bosses imo. Then use a second ed for later

[left vortex]

Idk im scared of going lich because if chaos sucks you have nothing else to swap to

the entire subclass is chaos based

[dawn spire]

I'm going chrono or Smith for hc, but lich would be my sc pick

[swift aspen]

Smith for HC seems like the obvious choice atm

[left vortex]

il also play hcssf prob kitava or ritualist

I think ritualist will be trash for hc sadly

[dawn spire]

Is it? I mean, you still have the jewel socket, eternal life, consuming power charges, curse pops, and extra curse

[tranquil star]

could switch minions

[dawn spire]

And unholy might doesn't really care about if you do chaos

[left vortex]

I mean minions are confirmed to be bad already

they got hit the hardest tbh

[dawn spire]

So really nothing is strictly reliant on you doing chaos damage

[tranquil star]

harder than spark archmage?

[blissful lintel]

how so

[swift aspen]

Yeah I don’t buy that it’s entirely chaos, but the current meta concept is unholy might but that’s more damage and isn’t reliant on the source… plus, isn’t that just for allies?

[dawn spire]

They also got loads of new supports

[dawn spire]

You and allies

[blissful lintel]

yeah there are some nuts support gems they got

[left vortex]

are all support gems out already to view?

[dawn spire]

If you trust Poe2db.tw, maybe

[left vortex]

wow mjolnir looks cool

[alpine summit]

Bleed amazon or blood mage?

[left vortex]

maybe dual wield mjolnir build?

[mighty wing]

just go ballista tactician to anger the haters

[left vortex]

temper weapons sounds cool but 4 hits only????

seems dead on arrival

[slender furnace]

You should absolutely trust it...its literally just datamining the preload

[mighty wing]

they said in the interview that it would not be only 4 hits

[dawn spire]

People datamined a ton of stuff for 0.1 and a lot of it never actually made it into the game

[slender furnace]

Thats entirely different....

[dawn spire]

How? They just datamined the content.ggpk

[slender furnace]

There's going to be things in the files that are there for later release...

[dawn spire]

They could definitely add half baked stuff into the preload that isn't enabled for actual use

[slender furnace]

Not skills...

[dawn spire]

And why not?

[slender furnace]

They would have to load two versions of skills

[dawn spire]

Not if they're not enabled at all

Or are you talking about changes to existing skills only?

[slender furnace]

Bro you type a lot in here and seemingly don't know what you're talking about....

[dawn spire]

They don't need two versions of a support gem if it's not enabled

Just the single disabled version

[slender furnace]

Sure if you think they aren't actually releasing the support gems they've confirmed to be releasing 100 of...

[dawn spire]

You've tried to refute me using an appeal to popularity earlier so you do you.

I haven't counted, but they could easily have over 100 new supports in poedb and aren't enabling some of them

[slender furnace]

Like this is common sense stuff. Yes, there's files in preload that probably aren't active...assuming g thats the support gemscwe know we are getting 100 of is quite the assumption

[dawn spire]

I think the reason they keep saying "over 100" is because they haven't settled on what's actually being added or not

[potent hearth]

does bonestorm procs its own impale? or does it need an attack skill?

[dawn spire]

Needs an attack hit

[potent hearth]

booooh

[dawn spire]

Minion attacks work

Or party members

[slender furnace]

Its not an appeal to popularity...that's an argument someone who's wrong uses...I'm right, everyone else is wrong because I'm smarter than everyone else....while I see Ben saying no one would ever click that node

[dawn spire]

I was referring to the Armour thing. You didn't cite their reasoning, just the fact that I was in the minority. That's exactly what the appeal to popularity is.

[slender furnace]

I know you were

[dawn spire]

If I'm wrong and they're right, you should have given the reasons

[slender furnace]

I cited plenty of reasons that you rebuttal with nonsense

Capping 50% pdr is dogshit

[dawn spire]

You just kept saying 50% was useless and trash.

That's not a reason

[opaque bluff]

there were almost exactly 100 more support gems in the new database compared to the old

[slender furnace]

How is that not a readon?

[opaque bluff]

think it qwas 197 before, its 309 now, so at most 12 would not be enabled

[slender furnace]

Nevermind man, you're clueless

[dawn spire]

Because you're not comparing it to what currently exists in the game. If players can only reach 20% pdr from armor vs big hits, then doubling their armor still won't get them to that 50% cap, which means the node has no downside. Getting to 50% vs big hit would be massive compared to 20%. That's about 37.5% less phys damage taken

[potent hearth]

still not sure what to cook for tonight, maybe blood mage, maybe idk

[dawn spire]

You talk about the node like you can reach higher than 50% pdr from armor (vs big hits) no problem, which is simply not true

[drifting cedar]

Byron I'm not really convinced this guy is arguing in good faith tbh

[swift aspen]

How does the x% added physical resist on shields and Hallow mask work?

[dawn spire]

Me neither but it's just so fun

[swift aspen]

Is that against heavy hits as well?

[opaque bluff]

yes, thats flat

[swift aspen]

Or does it end up meaning nothing on big hits

[dawn spire]

Can you cite the specific wording? If it's %pdr then yes

[drifting cedar]

thats real physical reduction

[wispy needle]

https://tenor.com/view/nom-eat-eating-snack-popcorn-gif-17130656807028417887

[swift aspen]

It is

It’s the good stuff

And you can get 25% from those two items alone on Kitava build

[opaque bluff]

its added to armour, and makes armour a bigger % damage increase, which is something else the armour is useless people always forget

[swift aspen]

Damn I really want to do Kitava for my second char

Gonna be busted

[slender furnace]

Armour was never about mitigating big hits...that's not the intended function of armour. Adding 200% isn't going to do shit. Armour is about mitigating small hits. That's always been its function

[opaque bluff]

10 or 20% reduction against big hits is still really strong

[slender furnace]

Abd capping yourself at 50% for small hits is stupid

And armour is still trash on top of all that

[drifting cedar]

just a cyclone of negativity from you

[celest blaze]

wait, what?

explain

[swift aspen]

8% from shield, 17% from corrupted helm

[slender furnace]

Correcting wrong shit isn't negativity

[swift aspen]

It’s available on any class but Kitava magma barrier is so non-reliant on gear in helm slot

[drifting cedar]

he said, oozing negativity

[dawn spire]

I'd say that making armor better vs big hits is pretty great. Especially since your only other option, currently, is energy shield.

That node gives you the ability to deal with big physical hits more easily. Armor CAN be good against big hits, but you need investment. That node doubles your investment

[celest blaze]

why kitava specifically though?

Sorry, I'm coming into this conversation piecemeal because work, but, uh, you have my attention

I love me some PDR

[drifting cedar]

Kitava for then also big ele resists I assume. so just resist all the damage

[celest blaze]

ah yes

[slender furnace]

Doubling zero is still zero (obvious hyperbole)

[opaque bluff]

if people can survive with no armour, you can survive easily small hits with 50% DR

[celest blaze]

that's why I'm doing it

After experiencing 90% all res gemling I'm never going back

[swift aspen]

Kitava is the only class/ascendancy where it is fairly easy to hit 90% resists across the board, magma barrier has the least affix requirements and can hit gem 40 with flexibility

[celest blaze]

Gemling also VERY doable.

losing the three extra slots hurts a bit though.

[slender furnace]

This doesn't even make sense

[opaque bluff]

BTW, we are limited to one version of each skill right, we cant have the same skill with different supports with different weapon sets?

[celest blaze]

(I speak from experience, i did this last patch)

[dawn spire]

You can use multiple copies of the same skill

[opaque bluff]

so you coudl spec one up with single target supports, and have a different copy of the same one for clearing?

[drifting cedar]

is anyone planning to do a build your own armour for kitava?

[swift aspen]

But gemling is missing 50% crit reduction (100% for Kitava after nodes), 5% life regen (no nodes get near that), and 25% phys as fire (50% with node that is easily moved to from warrior path)

It’s just the right class for insane serviceability with little work

Combined with flexible options for maxing Magma Barrier, ezpz

[celest oxide]

Kitava tanky enough to make Melee actually work?

[sullen ibex]

Do you guys know if volcanic eruption support gem trigger will be affected by cooldown recovery ?

[candid otter]

It doesn't miss having decent unique chest lol

[swift aspen]

Yeah not at all tbh

[drifting cedar]

why maxing magma barrier? did it get buffed

seems like a clunky main skill

[swift aspen]

It got nerfed

[candid otter]

hehe

[swift aspen]

My lvl 85 does 4M on block rn

[candid otter]

Do self explosion lich hp stacker with dark pact

[swift aspen]

Across the entire half of the screen

[drifting cedar]

i was unaware of magma barrier's game

[slender furnace]

That lich node with presence nerfs seems like massive bait

[swift aspen]

It’ll now do like 2M

[timid aurora]

Kitava will be nerded

Nerfed

[slender furnace]

Not in league

Maybe next patch

[candid otter]

You can offset that with scepter and nodes near the witch

[swift aspen]

While giving you 75% block, 90% resists (even chaos), 100% crit immunity, 50% phys taken as fire, armour applied to chaos, etc

[candid otter]

25% conversion not 50?

[drifting cedar]

yeah its 25

[slender furnace]

How much increased presence can you get?

[left vortex]

any bonestorm theorycrafters?

[swift aspen]

Heatproof

25 + 25 node

[sterile sparrow]

https://poe2db.tw/us/Herald_of_Blood

[drifting cedar]

doesnt heatproof do not that

[swift aspen]

Same with crit damage—two 25% nodes you can take

[drifting cedar]

pretty sure its 25% armor to fire

[celest oxide]

Are people just hyped on Kitava because of survivability or is there some cool damage combo I'm missing

[drifting cedar]

not phys to fire

[sterile sparrow]

Does this do anything if your first hit kills the target? No blood loss then, right?

[slender furnace]

Its good league start since you can basically ignore res

[candid otter]

105%

[celest oxide]

oh that makes sense

[candid otter]

from nodes

[swift aspen]

Ah yeah heatproof is armor to fire mb

[celest oxide]

What skill/weapon are people planning on for Kitava then?

[drifting cedar]

i was gonna say no way I missed 25% phys taken as fire on the tree

[candid otter]

first

[celest oxide]

I don't wanna use Bow or Xbows anymore lol

[swift aspen]

Still, insane survival

[radiant wraith]

So artillery balista now Has a free scattershot ??

[celest oxide]

Melee finally would be nice

[drifting cedar]

pillar of the caged god with jarngreipr and 20% str armour

[slender furnace]

So little better than prenerf...feel like it's still going to feel like shit and won't be screen clearing

[celest oxide]

Dang did Pillar survive the nerf hammer

[candid otter]

it is without the sceptre

[celest oxide]

didn't expect that

[drifting cedar]

i mean pillar got nerfed

but it had lots of room for nerfs

[celest oxide]

fair

I definitely do not wanna use Pillar again either

[drifting cedar]

oh then dont

[celest oxide]

I'm copeful for Spears

[drifting cedar]

go temper weapon and 4 shot all act bosses

[celest oxide]

yeah lol

[candid otter]

Do life stacker kitawa, and do unique helmet for dmg

[drifting cedar]

the low life helm?

[dreamy kindle]

shld i go lich or amazon

[candid otter]

yep

[celest blaze]

hrm, I really wish I could see the whole previous 1-40 list on poe2.db

But it looks like Molten Blast (somehow) got a bit effed on damage. I'm not sure if this is partially to compensate for the increased attack speed, if it got screwed in particular, or if all "damage adjustments" were code for "more nerfs" mostly: