2┃build-planning

[tulip fog]

hmm im not sure you can have humanoids as companions? might be only beasts

[vapid sinew]

Would a magma barrier smith of kitava build feel solid to level?

[cobalt pollen]

mace and shield is consistent

[vapid sinew]

I do like consistency.

[dusty kiln]

planning to do a minion tactician build with the ability to play solo, but also supporting my friends (atleast with "watch how i do it")
any good ideas so far?
not even sure if i should go for crossbow, mace, mace and shield or mace and scepter

[cobalt pollen]

but I feel like you can plug any build into kitava and still do very well

[vapid sinew]

oh, that's good.

[fickle orbit]

in POB2, what full dps is considered to be "decent" for budget mapping? I know what to aim for in poe1, but i dont have a feel for it in poe2

like, is 50k full dps okay for maps? dogshit? amazing? What about 200k? 10k? 500k?

[marsh token]

would this with avatar of fire do 100% fire dam?

[cobalt pollen]

yes

but you lose out on the dmg thats not converted

[fickle orbit]

Remember that perfect strike doesnt guarantee ignite in 0.2.0

[marsh token]

sorry not sure what this means. i thought the 40 % converted to fire, and then 75% converted to fire, would mean a 100% total conversion where basically, all the physical dam turns into fire? or does it work differently?

[fickle orbit]

what he means is that avatar of fire makes you deal no non-fire damage

and it converts 75%

[cobalt pollen]

theres gonna be a small slice of phys in there somewhere

and thats voided

[marsh token]

ah interesting

[drowsy crane]

no he'd convert all of it

with aof

[fickle orbit]

you deal 100 phys damage. Perfect strike changes that to be 40 fire + 60 phys. Avatar converts that 60 phys to 45 fire and 15 null

so you deal a total of 40+45=85

[marsh token]

baseline its 60% of dmg stays as phys, but with aof, all that turns into 60% fire +40(base) fire?

[tranquil star]

did they change how this works

in poe1 that was additive

[drowsy crane]

since when is conversion sequential lmao

[tranquil star]

so it'd be 100% total conversion

[fickle orbit]

I asked similar question earlier tody and thats the answer i got

[drowsy crane]

well whoever told you that was cooked im p sure

[fickle orbit]

from multiple people

[tranquil star]

afaik that's still the case here

[marsh token]

trying to make a big daddy avatar of fire build with chernobyl shield and a mace/spear

maybe i drop the shield and just go titans blood and play melee since smith will be unkillable

[broken nexus]

does anyone know if we can have multiple different spectres out at the same time?

[dusty kiln]

i wonder if i even should go all in on minions on tactician merc or just go 2 companions and then a bunch of persistent buffs for half off

[tranquil star]

I'm tempted to hoplite armour shield + spear

[drowsy crane]

tactician doesn't actually seem to have that much minion support

unless i'm vastly underestimating the weapon dmg to minions thing

(i probably am)

[dusty kiln]

it sounds really good if you get some fast aspd minions

[marsh token]

yo wait

[dusty kiln]

and wield either a 2 handed mace, or a crossbow now i guess (as they are buffing the damage)

[marsh token]

what if they let us duel wield 2 handed spears?

[night swallow]

I was theory crafting with tactician with like a big 2h or crossbow and raging spirits

[marsh token]

it says martial weapons now

i will straight up be zeus

[night swallow]

but im not sure how to get a lot of raging spirits with such setup

[drowsy crane]

you would just go bow right, to be able to use support abilities easier without reload hassle

[marsh token]

sending lightning bolts each hand

[dusty kiln]

was thinking about that too
with on minion death
but that got ruined by the patchnotes

[tulip fog]

i can only speak for myself, i usually try to aim for 100k average damage and 500k total dps at the very minimum for my endgame builds (lvl 90 and full endgame gear setup)

if a build i make dont reach this i scrap it and rethink

[crystal parcel]

Anyone have any minion builds in mind :P?

[maiden karma]

What are the odds of MoM recoup lich not getting killed off before the patch drops?

[halcyon pasture]

Anyone here cooking bleed amazon?

[snow cypress]

is these 2 already in poe2db long ago ? wtf

[static plinth]

Spears are 1-handed. Cant be dual wielded. Giant's Blood doesnt say Martial Weapons can be wielded in one-hand, it says Martial Weapons have tripled attribute requirements, the upside still only applies to mace/axe/sword

[tulip fog]

there is one spear that uses 2 hands if POB is to be believed

but might be old info

might have been reworked since it was datamined

[marsh token]

could any build run companions, or would u need to have some things that scale minions?

[fickle orbit]

Hey folks, In POE2 path of building, what "full dps" is decent for budget endgame mapping? I have a feel for what i need in POE1, but i have no idea for POE2.

Like, is 10k dps good? Bad? Horrible? Amazing? What about 50k? 200k? 500k?

[nimble hound]

bro so i can't do concotion pf? that sucks. why make less builds? that reminds me of D4 blizzard

[night swallow]

is there any way to find what the damage of a minion is?

[noble token]

would this work?

[celest blaze]

Really depends on the build. Sometimes the numbers are intended to shotgun or something, but generally if you aren't hitting at least 50K you're going to have a bad time

What skill are we talking about there?

[fickle orbit]

Just in general. Im trying to cook a crossbow kitava smith, im showing 49k dps for a single pulse (its not correct as ill likely have multiple pulses going out at same time, but im reluctant to inflate the dps by increasing pulse values too much).

if i set it to 4, im up to ~196k

[tidal birch]

So, there is the leveling build for melee, in "any near stun" -> bone shatter or just perfect strice for single target. But are there any good endgame melee builds that dont feel clunky as hell?

[marsh token]

u could also run resonance to convert power into endurance, and then with the power charge chest piece, u can get infinite power charges(u also use the ascendancy that makes u get half evasion on chest piece so u dont really lose much

[olive summit]

holy shit fubgun is planning the exact build I was gonna play

hell yeah my build making instinct is on point but also oh no it'll be so expensive now

[noble token]

how do i consume them then?

need to both generate and consume to get the infusion

[marsh token]

oh the power charges turn into endurance charges with resonance

[noble token]

yes i know what resonance does

the issue is to get fire infusion you need explicitly consume endurance charges

[cobalt pollen]

cry already eats endurance

[marsh token]

yea just use infernal cry like there

[noble token]

yeah so might as well do the shield too

with magma barrier

instead of sacrificing a chest piece you sacrifice buckler

[marsh token]

i imagine that would slap with that big fire dam shield

[noble token]

oh shit yeah

[marsh token]

i think theres a lot of other tech to get power charges i forgot how they worked or if they even survived nerfs lol

need to see those falling thunder/ flicker strike builds those guys were blasting

[noble token]

that was all combat frenzy -> resonance

[marsh token]

ah i see

def deleted then lol

frenzy is like 2x slower now?

[noble token]

i cant really go resonance because i still need frenzy charges as well

[noble token]

yeah

but you can generate them easily

with sniper's mark and parry disengage

i will give everything to make fire huntress work

[marsh token]

i want to run a crossbow infusion build

i saw a video where the crossbow, being a 2 hander, could just abuse that 612% attack mod

[dawn spire]

is this the unleash skill that's being added to Chrono? I found this in pob

[subtle vigil]

We don't know yet, probably not as it references a staff but it might use the same mechanics of being a castable buff

[noble token]

we do know

its 99% this one

[dawn spire]

source?

[noble token]

they talked about unleash in one of the trailers for poe2

[dawn spire]

Afaik, this skill is datamined

yeah, the unleash support maybe

[noble token]

no

i think it was trailer 3

they said the thing about not wanting skills to have cooldowns

but that unleash will have a cooldown because its situational or whatever

[dawn spire]

even if you're correct and they reference the skill, we have no way of knowing if it's the same version that's coming tomorrow

[mighty wing]

pretty sure this is the support gem

[dawn spire]

yeah, the one in the trailer was the unleash spell that was tied to a staff

but I don't think a spell from a year-old trailer warrants a "we do know, it's 99% this one"

[celest blaze]

Sounds like you're fine then, definitely good enough to look plausible and take for a real spin then

[marsh token]

would perpetual charge work on the infusion skill? it gives you a charge of something, or does that only mean frenzy, power, and endurance charges?

oh wait nvm

but, what if u had the one that made it do extra crit

and consume charges?

would that work?

[night swallow]

anyone was able to cook a tactician build? still wondering what auras/skills to use

[atomic halo]

it should yes

[marsh token]

damn that has to be nuts

if u run that and the power charge chest piece

isn't that just ggs?

you would just need something to eat the first powercharge?

then u get the infusions, then the infusions consume charges, then u get more charges from chest piece, then the infusion consumes it, and 35% of the time u just get it for free

[atomic halo]

yeah

[marsh token]

u could then run a 1 button build after you kickstarted the infusion

[atomic halo]

im cooking something weird with falling thunder + hateforge but im not sure if it works

[marsh token]

i saw falling thunder got a big buff

with way more dam per charge

[atomic halo]

falling thunder because it needs to be melee to get rage on hit to get hateforge charges

and it needs projectiles to proj the explosinos

[tidal birch]

Does the community already has enough information to already create good leaguestarters? Just saw Gazzy say its more an "educated guess", because to much changes + to much is not known. Is he correct or not?

[marsh token]

yea that sounds cracked lol

[atomic halo]

but the description says "at end of its flight" and falling thunder proj pierce all, so idk if it works

[marsh token]

oh yea i just saw the part 2 spear vid

it really is at the very end

[atomic halo]

notreally, we are still missing uniques, supports, and most importantly an unknown amount of adjustments to skill damage numbers

[marsh token]

so u would need to be off screen

[atomic halo]

maybe there will be new skill with spear that works

all i need is melee tag + projectiles

and rn that's literally only falling thunder

[marsh token]

oh yea i think a lot of the entry skills? not sure tho

[fickle orbit]

https://pobb.in/n-sZmFspiFSi This is my current version atm.

I am not entirely sure if this is gonna work but, it seems like it would

[tidal birch]

so, its more a guess. I thinking about starting with this: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7uYZCE31XQ8 level build. But I have zero clue what a good endgame build would look like or even what ascendancy to play.

[mighty wing]

does anyone know if ballistas count as allies for the tactician buff?

[fickle orbit]

ballistas are totems

totems are allies

[mighty wing]

tought as much thanks

[neat burrow]

I'm assuming "a solid plan" reservation doesn't work for minions but does anyone know for sure?

[night swallow]

it doesn't cause they are not a buff, but works with srs

[neat burrow]

Cool I figured i just wanted to be sure before planning around it lol

[celest blaze]

Technically, they count as allies, but they didn't get the benefit of the buff. I know it's confusing.

Basically, totems are YOU attaching from that location also (but using the built in totem weapon)

So they are an ally, but they didn't get the but because they are you when attaching, and you are not your own ally

Totems use your stats (other than local weapon stuff)

[mighty wing]

well thats incredbly stupid

[celest blaze]

Think of totems as sticks in the ground where you project an illusionary copy of yourself to pick up a generic weapon and attack from

[alpine parrot]

anyone knows if specters count as undead minions, and if so, will specter summons (ie monster summon more monsters) count as such?

[mighty wing]

i mean i get the reasoning, just not why they didnt give them the buff when they are "allies"

[fickle orbit]

@celest blaze Any thoughts on the build i linked? Would be curious to see if you can offer any advice

[celest blaze]

Sorry not even remotely qualified to talk about xbos, I'm a totem guy

I like the max res and the DPS seems plausible, I'm not seeing any red flags

[snow cypress]

hey, quick question base on this, is the pin point shot node combo ? like stacking more crit chance ?

ah nvm its wont

[mighty wing]

well i would quess banners dont work with ballistas either?

or kinda would if you preplace the banner and then the ballista gets your stats right?

[nimble hound]

Do you think Tactician will be a flop? Does his passives and banners even effect Totems/Turrents?

Something seems fishy about this class

[marsh token]

does projectile speed increase dps at all?

[mighty wing]

one would think so

[hidden siren]

only if u take that node

projectile speed doesnt mean anything for dps atk speed is what counts

[minor tree]

If it helps, corrupting cry was untouched as far as I could see and that's a super cheap build to work with (stack str, done)

[gray hull]

is anyone else looking at smith + magma barrier + trampletoe?

[river oriole]

projectile speed would make your spell/arrow/etc hit the target faster so it should increase dps, yeah

but I'm basing that off PoE1

[hidden siren]

its negligible

unless u take the node that increases dmg based on proj speed

[tulip fog]

i wonder if its worthwhile to get extra melee strike range for Rake skill on amazon, would it be easier to reach the 100% more damage bonus with that i wonder? or do you reach it easily enough without it?

im just thinking out loud here i doubt anyone know that dont have an NDA that prevents them from answering

[steady flint]

Here is my semi educated guess:

Spears are gonna be good, so Huntress safe bet (likely Amazon > Ritualist).

Bow good as always, so Deadeye safe bet.

Smith of Kitava gonna be tanky, might lack dmg though.. Still, id consider this pretty safe.

Tactician totems probably gonna have high dmg, but be totems so upto you.

All spellcasters are gonna be Lich, seems pretty good and safe.

Most minion builds are gonna be Lich, so again oretty safe.

Gemling seems reasonably strong for any build as long as you have good passives close by.

Invoker is probably alright, but not amazing.

Thats kind of it, id guess WH, Chonk and Warbringer stays dead, and Stormweaver joins em

Chrono depends on the Unleash skill, but prob also dead ngl

[warm grail]

I'm going to do armorbreak warrior into smith hopefully by then there will be guides for decent Smith's

[steady flint]

Id assume Smith's can be anything, as the identity is just "tanky"

[hidden siren]

i think its best to have a vague idea of what you want to do but change things when you see thr nunber changes on skills and supports

[warm grail]

Yeah leveling will be armor break and totems most likely but then work on smith

[steady flint]

Lucky me not having time on release i guess, can investigate a bit so i dont regret my choices

[alpine parrot]

.?

[steady flint]

No idea sry

[alpine parrot]

im just wondering if raising that one bettle that summon 30 drones

if all of them count as undead minion

cause if so dark defilier can be pretty sweet if u get like 2-3 of these

tactican 25% buff to ally can also be pretty good if they dont insta die

30 drones each with 25% weapon dmg

[hidden siren]

honestly obj should just be to finish campaign and wait for the sweats to have a nuke build in a few days for endgame

[steady flint]

My main issue is that i always go off meta, and this time im starting to lean Chronomancer/infernalist for some damn reason.
0.1.0 i started Chonk

[devout valve]

how should i build witch now that grim feast is leavin?

[vale cave]

smith of kitava needs to have body armor equiped to have the bonues from tree?

[marsh token]

does this shoot 2x bolts. and does the bolt speed cross bow increase attack speed?

[tulip fog]

i am going to leaguestart Amazon with Rake + blood hunt + herald of blood + tame beast
if i get lucky enough to get apron of emiran early enough i will be going with stalker -> critical strike -> penetrate for my ascendancies otherwise stalker is last. for passives, get some melee strike range and most bleed nodes, some spear nodes and accuracy/crit nodes

basically winging it since we dont have skillgem data yet

[sage gyro]

is the new passive tree posted anywhere?

[hidden siren]

no

and wont be until launch

[sage gyro]

can you sneak in and grab it for us?

[hidden siren]

preload doesnt have the datamine

ggg wants you to go in blind

[tulip fog]

IMPORTANT POST TO READ FOR ANYONE GOING TO PLAY BLEED BUILD
https://www.reddit.com/r/PathOfExile2/comments/1jqu85y/psa_blood_loss_works_differently_than_you/

[robust perch]

when is the preload going to be available?

[river oriole]

When the update/new league is about to go live, when we patch I suppose

[upper yoke]

we got any info on temper weapon for smith?

[vale cave]

Yea it seems trash you have to do the animation for every time you attack

[upper yoke]

ok bro go play casino games you only gotta press 1 button there

[vale cave]

Turbo clunky imo

[upper yoke]

its for rares and bossing

use it for hammer of gods

or supercharged slam

[vale cave]

Yes i. Love standing still for 2 seconds for every hit i want to do

I mean i guess

[hidden siren]

is this good or bad

[marsh token]

would infusion have a trigger limit? like .25 ms or something? or can you spend charges basically as fast as you can shoot projectiles?

[rare kite]

How much the spark in archmage as nerfed?

[hidden siren]

50% overall estimated without the numbers changes

[upper yoke]

no trigger tag or cooldown tag, honestly no way of telling at this time

[main spear]

Is there a time tomorrow when the game is released?

[hidden siren]

with the physical buffs i dont see a reason to do elements

[tender needle]

3pm est

[main spear]

Niceeeeee

Got less than 24 hours to decide what to do lol

[mighty wing]

this is just not true🤣

[tulip fog]

it just works differently than how you would think it works if you dont read it thouroughly enough you'd think blood hunt detonates the remaining bleed and use the skill early and not get as big of a payoff as you'd expect. this is because it instead tracks bleed damage already dealt so you wanna use it when you have already dealt a significant portion of bleed

so its important to know how the skill works to utilise it correctly

[wicked sparrow]

Anybody thinking this might be worth trying? Bloodmage witch.

[vale cave]

@mighty wing Oops om sorry 4 seconds https://youtu.be/J6RGbL4MtBs?si=QhInXgcK_sM9Em5Q, at 10:50

[mighty wing]

had you watched the interview you would know thats not gona be the final version of the skill

[vale cave]

I had not

Well that's good to hear then

[tulip fog]

too far from any non-spell bleed nodes and damage nodes, if you just wanna apply a minimal bleed that you aggravate to trigger an aggravated ignite then youd also lose out on a staff or a wand with fire damage/spell damage that could give you an equal amount of damage boost if not more

so no, i dont think that works very well

[mighty wing]

they said its prolly not gona last the whole map, but not like super spammy either

[vale cave]

Hopefully

I saw another clip where they get charges every time they do that animstion, but if it's like a buff that has yk some duration like 30 seconds or smth it would be a lot nicer than what I had in mind

[maiden karma]

You can see in the video the buff stays on the whole time

[hidden siren]

doesnt hh do the same thing unless it got nerfed too

[cobalt pollen]

even with total bleed I feel like I'm baiting myself into playing bleed

[hidden siren]

bleed doesnt have built in cc i dont see why anyone would go it

unless u can get stuns into the build

[cobalt pollen]

ignite seems better with hoa

[maiden karma]

You actually can lol

[hidden siren]

bleed and poison were good bc the dmg was so large

[maiden karma]

Bloodhound mark makes the target gain stun buildup from bleed damage

[cobalt pollen]

I don't know the exact numbers of the cashout bleed poke

and then blood herald is only a portion of their life loss from bleed so the bleed has to deal damage so fast that idk why I wouldn't play ignite at that point

and you get to play infernal cry even better and molten shield

[hidden siren]

ngl at that point why dont u just go pure phys

[maiden karma]

Why don't you just play unascended basic attack warrior

[cobalt pollen]

why pure phys when I can play fire

[maiden karma]

Speaking of fire

Thorn infernalist looking funny

[tulip fog]

i am going to give it a try with bleed build and if it feels inadequate at any time i will reroll into either spectres or seismic cry warbringer since you can now increase the aoe of the explosions and its not limited to "in your presence" anymore

what do i intend to detonate you might ask? my own minions

[cobalt pollen]

I'm coping and thinking rake bleed magnitude might work but bleed just seems to scale better off magnitude and doing one gigantic phys hit

making a fire planner for fire spear

[marsh token]

could corruption hit this?

[hidden siren]

when i say pure phys i mean crit bonus dmg stacking

[hidden siren]

wtf is the last 2 mods

[halcyon perch]

What do you guys think the best bow leveling will be now? Still lightning arrow + lightning rod early into gas arrow mid/late? (imo the 6 cloud limit only matters lategame or when trying to oneshot bosses) or maybe with the crossbow buffs crossbow leveling could be an option but I'm not familiar with that.

[hidden siren]

la + rod might clear till 60

[halcyon perch]

yeah it should be able to hit all mods even if they are fixed mods afaik but you can just search for the item on trade and see

yep it can

[cobalt pollen]

I'm kitava so less crit

[tulip fog]

did you see that rake has a 100% more damage modifier if you leap a certain distance with the skill?

[cobalt pollen]

that was part of the plan

[tulip fog]

on top of its 100% more bleed magnitude

[cobalt pollen]

I would just bounce back and forth with whatever skill

but I would lose molten shield for buckler

which might be fine

[tulip fog]

im curious if increased strike range makes it easier to reach a higher number on that leap distance modifier

[cobalt pollen]

idk if shields are same as bucklers for some of these nodes

[tulip fog]

there is already +2 on the skill and near huntress you can get another +4 from two node clusters

[cobalt pollen]

I'm assuming not

maybe dropping warcry nodes for aoe dmg to scale rake and pretty much every spear skill ever

and the weapon swap setup was just for one weapon and that feature didn't get in

sadge

stun nodes seem good for snapshotting bleed if stun setups work

deep wounds seems dubious

and I guess I have to run beetlebite?

easiest solution

unless the new bleed cluster is cool

[tulip fog]

beetlebite is drop from king in the mist, so only for endgame setup

but yes

[cobalt pollen]

if beetlebite didn't come with MS there was no way in hell I would play it

[tulip fog]

true

there is also a chance some new bleed uniques gets added with the 100 new uniques that are supposedly mid to lategame focused

[normal pumice]

Got a question in regards to projectile shotgun mechanics. If I shoot three ball lightnings per cast the actual 'balls' only damage once, however, what about their lightning beams? Will all the ball's lightning beams be able to damage the same target?

[tulip fog]

hopefully one of them might offer another way to aggravate bleed otherwise those boots and herald of blood are the only ways

[cobalt pollen]

if haemo is aoe then shotgun that

and skip speed of ailments

[tulip fog]

this is another option for early game

basically no defenses

but guaranteed aggravate

with no conditions

could work well with the panther node from amazon

but for other classes they would need to accept that downside

[tulip fog]

shields and bucklers should count as the same thing i believe

i cant remember where i heard it from but it was either from the Q&A or from one of the influencer streams

[still rock]

Has anyone tinkered with running a companion focused build yet?

[fickle orbit]

https://discord.com/channels/174993814845521922/1357474380115870009

Could anyone offer any advice/suggestions/etc please?

[dreamy portal]

stupid question: what's the difference between specter and tame beast? couldn't you use raise spectre on any beast you kill, just like tame beast?

[fickle orbit]

Spectre is a minion. Tame beast is a companion. They are not the same. Raised spectre doesnt keep "enchantments" - like, if you find a rare beast with "mana drain aura" and raise it as spectre, its just going to be a "default" beast. But Tame beast preserves modifiers.

[dreamy portal]

holy crap, okay... that's insane

[fickle orbit]

Basically raise spectre only looks at "base body" while tame beast looks at actual modifiers

[flint summit]

So I have an idea that I would like an opinion on. I was running a 100% crit trample toe last season. Could that work with new gemling ascendancy that increases the skill crit chance in this one?

[atomic halo]

Ice crystals can no longer apply on kill effects such as Herald of Ash and Trampletoe's overkill.

does that affect you?

[flint summit]

Ah thank you I had missed that in the notes.

[distant glade]

do we know anything about heat of the forge from kitava? wanna try it with xbow rapid shot

[radiant wraith]

the only thing almost certain is that it will use '' fire spell skills '' that you socket yourself using your int

but its just a very big '' maybe ''

they mentioned it will use energy mechanic so well kinda like cast on shock

[desert sparrow]

Chaos, Ice or Fire spellcaster most viable post nerfs? Anyone have any thoughts? Or with archmage and mana nerfed are they all trash?

[radiant wraith]

i just go smith fireball

leveling now will be nice with buffed ice bomb

[river oriole]

I think I'm just going to do a PoE1 style build with life and armor, see how it goes lol

[misty coral]

I just do the carebear stare.

With a spear.

[wild cape]

I'm thinking about what build would be best for bursting down the final boss of Sekhemas, to earn some good money doing carries on my first character. Lightning arrow deadeye was pretty good last league, but I imagine the meta will have shifted?

[atomic totem]

sunder totem build should be fine after the patch right? at least from what we know so far

[radiant wraith]

if the totem previously indeed usedthe bugg the shockwave now might be similar or better

[cobalt pollen]

infusion amazon bow/crossbow

[radiant wraith]

dual two handed mace amazon

go monke

[wild cape]

Looks interesting, looks like I need to do some reading on Huntress

Ooh, "Reveal Weaknesses against Rare and Unique enemies, 50% more damage against enemies with an Open Weakness "

Yeah, seems nice

[kindred dawn]

Is gemling any good? Is the +3 skill slots worth?

[dawn condor]

no but quincy will hear about this one

idk how that man keeps letting you slide you must be sliding him monkey money on the side

[hollow galleon]

when patch says invictus can no longer roll %increased max life....what happens to the one u own?

[cobalt pollen]

+3 skill slots got reworked

[river oriole]

@kindred dawn ^

Love your name btw lol

[atomic halo]

probably just stays the same

if it just says no longer rolls existing is unchanged

[kindred dawn]

oh damn tahts way better I think

[kindred dawn]

lol thanks

hmm 5 green supports = 30% skill speed?

[cobalt pollen]

yea

[compact tulip]

any super nerds know if it's possible to scale this modifier? My intution tells me its possible since its worded as "base range"

[kindred dawn]

just control f lol

I think it should be the same

[compact tulip]

It's not an unarmed skill though sadly

[kindred dawn]

oh sad

[stoic spoke]

inferno cry should work with spear attack skills, right?

[limber lodge]

Yo does COld Snap combo with Biting Frost? Like, both remove the freeze... will the cold snap remove the freeze and then not allow biting frost to get the effect? Or is it just... amatch made in heaven?

[woven otter]

has it set in yet? everyone relaxed or what

[nova verge]

Hey all, will this part of the skill tree benefit my witch/ minion build?

[timid magnet]

Does anybody know if Decaying Hex's DPS component scales with increases to Chaos?

[cobalt pollen]

it has to say minion specifically

[hollow galleon]

what is the best mace attack skill post patch?

is it still Hammer of the Gods?

[river oriole]

HotG got a big change

Hammer of the Gods no longer has a Cooldown, but now requires 20 Glory to use. Glory is a resource that gets built up by Heavy Stunning enemies. The amount of Glory gained is based on the Stunned monster's Power. Quality is now +0-0.4 to impact Radius (previously 1% increased cooldown recovery rate).

[limber lodge]

HOTG is definitely still super good (on mace characters). You may need to invest a bit into stun buildup to make sure you're heavy stunning enough to use it. But it does just as much damage as it did before.

[hollow galleon]

so what do u use to stun before HotG?

[limber lodge]

i'd guess boneshatter?

[hollow galleon]

i see, cool

gonna try out some stuff

[marsh token]

does this only work with the support gem? i don't see any other way to activate life leech

[atomic halo]

gloves, weapon

both can roll leech mods

[marsh token]

ah i see

right now the build ive made only has evasion

could evasion plus leech be 2 defensive layers or does leech just make u liable to getting one shot?

[kindred dawn]

Anyone test the interaction with shock and concentration? they seem like they would be multiplicative but not sure

Shock increases the damage monsters take, and concentration (lost) makes me deal more damage to the monster

[atomic halo]

more = multiplicative

simple as that

[kindred dawn]

yeah but I mean the two affect different parts of the equation, so together they multiply their effects

kinda like how abyssus would be 40% more damage taken basically

[atomic halo]

concentration is just a more damage multiplier like your supports would be

there isn't any special interaction it has with shock

[kindred dawn]

mm true

[meager tulip]

Whats the opinion on chronomancer?

[alpine parrot]

how do you think going frenzy spiral/snipe build on amazon bow, but compensating less frenzy (both from not being a deadeye, and from combat frenzy nerf) with 2 to 1 infusions and their extra dmg? (and who knows new support gems might give more easier frenzy)

[mellow egret]

has anyone seen any builds/leaguestarters for spells?

[atomic halo]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3VQHSOBy0to&ab_channel=jungroan

this maybe

[still rock]

Buffed imo, utility for Unleash probably depends on the build

I lowkey want to cook up a tactician companion build but I have a feeling its going to be dogwater

I also want to see the companion nodes, does anyone have the new tree yet?

i need to learn korean so i can yoink better

wtb korean lessons

[static plinth]

How do people get Frenzy Charges quick

[cobalt pollen]

hateforge

current patch combat frenzy

[still rock]

combat frenzy getting yeeted off a cliff 0.2

[static plinth]

Do you want a min-roll rage on Hateforge?

Looks clunky as hell ngl

[still rock]

frenzies seemed to be the only one that wasnt clunky pre 0.2

in terms of charge generation

and now.. uhh

yeah seems shit

[static plinth]

I want to run Wind Serpent's Fury

Maybe one of the new uniques will help

[still rock]

there has to be something coming with supports for charge generation

we'll see

the combat frenzy nerf is crazy

if not

[alpine parrot]

how?

[still rock]

gain random charge on hitting max rage

[alpine parrot]

it can be any charge tho

[still rock]

yeah you basically sustain allof them

[alpine parrot]

that said, again, amazon infusion can be like 3 per 1 frenzy consumed

so combat frenzy can still work

same build as spiral deadeye ish

but infusion dmg along

[static plinth]

The only endurance charge gen on skills is Magma Barrier right?

[cobalt pollen]

crit with snipers mark

[still rock]

can work and be good are two different things so we'll see

[alpine parrot]

maybe theres new support gems for easier frenzy

[still rock]

if youre just using the charges every now and then its not an issue

but if its a main part of your dmg then youll prob need to pivot

[alpine parrot]

lets say i generated 3 infusion from 1 frenzy, then i use the "50% to not consume"

it should last until the next frenzy from combat frenzy

unless im very unlucky

then theres also mark

[still rock]

yeah itll have to just be play tested cause 4.5seconds a charge is pretty long

mark might fill in the gap

[alpine parrot]

but ye praying theres a new supp gem

for some frenzy

[static plinth]

I wonder if i can make Caltrops into main damage

[still rock]

reminding myself not to try any of munin's crazy ideas this league

the boner cage build was a massive flop

[static plinth]

noooooo

Elemental Sundering ground effects seems like it could be a banger

Or even like, Radiant Grief

[still rock]

tbh boner cage was pretty much only held back by the fact that you cant have multiple instances that come from an individual cast of them at once

[cunning creek]

@atomic halo u still set on warrior ?

[still rock]

like, you could have 3 if you castthem with spell cascade but the next cast erased the previous 3

[atomic halo]

if the huntress infusion thing doesnt work out

[static plinth]

What are the methods for genning endurance charges

Magma Barrier, Hateforge

[atomic halo]

i'll have o league start a day late so will be clear by then

[static plinth]

Is that it

[still rock]

smith seems like a pretty good league starter for anything ngl

[cunning creek]

how does the infusion thing even work I dont get it

[atomic halo]

get many charge

consume many charge

get many infusion

deal many explosion

deal many damage

[cunning creek]

oh so thats the damage part

it does ele explosions right

[still rock]

break endurance

[cunning creek]

I only saw the damage conversion so I didnt get it

[still rock]

endurance charges are actually pretty easy to maintain if you are running warbringer or foccusing on armor break

[atomic halo]

the explosions have 612% de

[cunning creek]

wow

[atomic halo]

yeah

[static plinth]

That doesnt really work single-target right

Like it works once then you cant get more

[still rock]

hmm idr from my bowbringer what the charge uptime was like on single target cause i wasnt really consuming them

but probably not too good

[cunning creek]

ugh but I dont wanna go amazon like 30-40% of ppl

[still rock]

correct

[cunning creek]

but at the same time I dont wanna struggle and be poor and unable to test out my ideas

[still rock]

bowbringer clear was insane but i got sick of dying to a fly

[static plinth]

hrm Deadeye is probably crazy good for Wind Serpent's Fury right

Since theyre buffing it to ALWAYS double frenzy effects?

[still rock]

ar/eva still gunna suck nuts unless they made some big changes we havent seen

[still rock]

tbh if you plan on doing anything frenzy charge related theres no reason to play anything but deadeye imo

[static plinth]

well the secret is i think ritualist is really cool and i want to play it 👉👈

Its a shame Spear of Solaris looks like it deals dogshit damage

[still rock]

yeah its pulling from a OH i doubt its gunna be hotg level of dmg

[static plinth]

OH?

[still rock]

one hand

[loud geyser]

I'm gonna try Ritualist bleed build

[static plinth]

Even the whole beam looks kinda lackluster tbh

[still rock]

where you seeing it

[normal fable]

Lich seems the most broken

[static plinth]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ylwHeXu1_og

[still rock]

lich pop and unholy might is pretty shweet

ngl

damn ziggy got the hookup

he might as well work for ggg atp

[static plinth]

Part 1 has the rest of the skills too

Wind Serpent's Fury looks the most interesting to me

Its just too bad its a ton of medium sized hits instead of 1 insanely strong hit

[still rock]

checking out the tame beast thing to see if my tactician companion idea is dumb or nut

[static plinth]

What does the sustained tag mean

Wait Poison Wind Serpent's Fury might cook a bit

[normal fable]

Seems pointless to try and theory craft w/o seeing all the gems

[still rock]

https://www.poe2wiki.net/wiki/Sustained

[static plinth]

oh okay not that interesting

[still rock]

its a good thing if youre planning on doing crit

but otherwise not important

[static plinth]

Also WSF apparently can knock back Unique enemies way better than normal skills

Even ignoring the fact it does like a ton of knocking hits

[still rock]

i dont think we've seen a viable poison build from a skill that doesnt have poison baked in unless im mistaken?

correct me if im wrong

[static plinth]

Hexblast?

[still rock]

yeah ig but youre mostly just focused on hexblast hit and poison is icing

[static plinth]

I think Hexblast has poison variants

[rich raft]

RIP Hexblast tho

[still rock]

yeah no blasphemy hexblast is kinda rough

idk what their idea of its identity is supposed to be

[static plinth]

Hexblast needs to deal like 10x the damage it does rn to be viable

[rich raft]

Fine if you dramaticly slow down monsters

[static plinth]

They've essentially given it a 5s cooldown on the low end

[rich raft]

No. Too slow to combo and proc

[still rock]

itd be clunky to clear with even if it one shot everything

[static plinth]

Oh i didnt realize how many uniques they showed off

We dont have exact stats but some are very distinct like Scold's Bridle

This one looks like Redblade Banner

Apep's Supremacy

[still rock]

does anyone know if companions count as minions or not?

[midnight obsidian]

they're panions

[still rock]

or are they completely seperate

like obv theyll count as allies

but dunno how to path if i want to focus on them until the new tree comes out

[static plinth]

Also juice we have Mind of The Council confirmed

Might be worth building around

[cunning creek]

there are companion nodes totally right close to the crit cluster

as seen in the ziggyd video

[still rock]

oh does he show off the new tree?

is that part 1

[static plinth]

No

[cunning creek]

he goes over a few nodes

thats it

[static plinth]

He just touches on it

[still rock]

grumbles

[static plinth]

Like mentioning there's Hazard Re-Arm chance

[atomic halo]

fingers crossed it still gives infinite power

[static plinth]

I really want to know what this quarterstaff is

[pallid wigeon]

Any chance there might be more unique charms? They already revealed 2, and they both look extremely bad. Need a way to justify making a Ritualist.

[still rock]

giff new tree ggg pls

[cunning creek]

onslaught is bad ?

[atomic halo]

just visualize it

[atomic halo]

i expect there will be more charms. no promises they will be good.

[pallid wigeon]

You have to proc it for it to work. Too unreliable.

[midnight obsidian]

that quarter staff is actually an armour mtx which lets you wield another monk

[cunning creek]

there has to be a way to slow yourself

[atomic halo]

honestly, have no idea what ggg was thinking when they designed the charm nodes for ritualist.

[still rock]

https://tenor.com/view/math-problems-thinking-formulas-calculation-numbers-gif-17422582

[static plinth]

Hey does this look like Yriel's Fostering to y'all?

Itd make sense since that body armour was companion focused, and now companions are a full mechanic instead of just a weird summon

[cunning creek]

or maybe some specter will cast a skill that slows and they forgot to make it not affect you then it could be the way to proc it reliably

[atomic halo]

the admiral

def the admiral

[rustic monolith]

where do u see the 2 new unique charms?

cant find it on patch notes unless im blind

[static plinth]

Isnt the Admiral green?

[still rock]

https://poe2db.tw/us/Dawn_of_the_Hunt_uniques

[static plinth]

Oh no only the undershirt is green, youre probably right

[rustic monolith]

o

[static plinth]

There's a chance

[atomic halo]

the bit at the top is the same as well, same colour and design

[static plinth]

ah yeah the ascot is kind of a giveaway

Yriel's Fostering would be a good fit for this update though

[still rock]

bro knows what an ascot is

[static plinth]

I like Scooby Doo :(

[still rock]

ascot enjoyers wya

[static plinth]

God i hope this staff is cool and it's not just "gain phys as extra chaos" or some boring shit like that

Give me melee Voltaxic Rift

[still rock]

itll have 4 affixes you can already have on a staff and then one affix for 100% chaos res as stun threshold or something else thats useless

[static plinth]

nooooo

Maybe all gain as extra is gained as chaos instead 😳

Ill hope for something cool

But yeah for now i think im set on either Bleed or Wind Serpent's Fury

I wonder how playable the skill is without frenzies

40% AS 400% DE is like, barely average damage right

At level 13 so first level obtainable

[still rock]

wild how dead this channel is vs january

[static plinth]

At that level thats actually decent i think?

They barely touched Chayula right

You get 50% more Darkness and thus a slightly larger health buffer, slightly more gained as chaos, and also they buffed Mantra of Destruction

And made the mana leech node better

[celest blaze]

I expect it would be much busier in here if they actually have is information to plan

[static plinth]

I guess thats not braely touched it

[still rock]

am i crazy or wasnt it common practice to give the new tree a day or so before league start in poe1

[celest blaze]

Chalupa still a meme

[static plinth]

I wish i could use Mantra of Destruction with spears

[still rock]

when they made significant changes

[static plinth]

That was mostly "we redid this entire section of the tree" stuff right

Rather than the smaller changes

[still rock]

Added new Blind-related clusters.
Added new Volatility-related clusters.
Added new Ranged and Melee-related clusters.
Added new Hazards-related clusters.
Added new Companion-related clusters.
Added new Presence Radius and Aura-related clusters.
Added new Parry-related clusters.
Added new Banner-related clusters.
Added new Bleeding-related clusters.
Added new Thorns-related clusters.
Added a new Quiver-related cluster.

thats a lot

[static plinth]

Okay i thought they were mostly adding stats to unstatted clusters (ie the big spear cluster thats nothing but attack speed and attack damage rn)

[tranquil star]

I feel like I wanna do a decaying hex chronomancer.

[static plinth]

Thats still really really bad ngl

[celest blaze]

And that's not counting "removed half the jewel slots on the tree"

[still rock]

before you get ahead of yourself, it doesnt scale with spell dmg or chaos dmg increases

[tranquil star]

probably

[static plinth]

ED is like 6k damage per second

Youre not getting 6k int

[tranquil star]

did they still not fix that bug

[still rock]

i was under the impression it was intentional unless im mistaken and they fixed it, idk

[tranquil star]

I thought it was a bug

[still rock]

nobody knows

lol

[static plinth]

Not scaling with chaos damage is a hard thing to swallow as intentional tbh

spell damage makes sense

[still rock]

ive been playing every other arpg under the sun in the last 2 months

so i havent been paying attention

[static plinth]

Parry is apparently 50% more damage taken iirc?

So this could be good

[deft osprey]

Do we have datamines

[static plinth]

No

[still rock]

no way anyone is running that over +spell and %dmg

[deft osprey]

Chrono might have some cooks this season

Unleash for free is huge actually

[static plinth]

Unleash seems pretty strong yeah

[still rock]

its not free as a support though, depends on how it plays out

its a buff you cast beforehand

[static plinth]

Yeah, but it doesnt come with Less Damage

[still rock]

truf

more buttons gameplay

[static plinth]

we played EDC you can handle an extra button on a normal hit build

[tranquil star]

did they post what it is

[static plinth]

It was shown before release

Like of the game

Entirel ypossible it's changed but most likely similar

[still rock]

assuming its the same thing as from this staff that we havent seen yet:

https://poe2db.tw/Unleash#UnleashSkillGemStaffUnleash

[still rock]

.75s cast time

yeoowch

[tranquil star]

Oh, that

[manic token]

Are there any obvious weapons that pair with Ritualist besides probably spear? Feels sorta like a blank slate class like gemling to me

[static plinth]

Spear and Bow mainly

[still rock]

i mean even spear isnt necessarily obvious aside from being near proj nodes

[static plinth]

Since youre in the pure dex area

[still rock]

in terms of huntress location tho, spears and bows yeah

[meager tulip]

Man i wanna give chronomancer a go but worried its gonna suck

[static plinth]

But quarterstaves and crossbows and eventually swords and daggers will probably also be good

Maces axes and spells will be slightly harder sells

[still rock]

wish phys spells werent garbage cause itd be a cool phys spell caster

[static plinth]

And flails

Also Juice did you see

Impale is real

[still rock]

i did

probably for the sake of balancing it easier

just bucket all the similar effects into impale

since a lot of the pinnacle one shotting was from barrage bonestorm interaction

[celest blaze]

Yeah people are really sleeping on how good three rings+ interested ring /ammy effectiveness is

But also like gemling, it will come into it's own with better gear more later

[tranquil star]

I'm pondering how ice rebalance'll be. I didn't like the whole ice wall way of playing ice.

[pallid wigeon]

Honestly, nothing in their ascedency leans towards any specific weapons. Extra ring slot and 25% increased effect are just stat sticks.

[static plinth]

What about Cadence Wind Serpent's Fury?

[still rock]

based on searching through messages, people are both saying companion counts as a minion and companion doesnt count as a minion with 0 citations lol so idek

[static plinth]

DB says its a minion

https://poe2db.tw/us/Companion%3A_{0}

[still rock]

this wording would corroborate that

okay good

i continue on my path to make a scuffed build

[flat stream]

Is the 0.2 passive tree available anywhere yet?

[kindred dawn]

thoughts on how lich's eternal life works? Free LL build?

[still rock]

lich int stacking might go hard for minion build in general

[static plinth]

https://poe2db.tw/us/Embitter

This is really interesting with Archmage right?

[still rock]

just makes all your lightning into cold id assume

dunno if support order matters there or if it just always checks last

[static plinth]

Yeah but thats just it

[celest blaze]

Basically it only seems to be good with the "x% of d damage bypass ES stat"

[static plinth]

Do we know what Hobble is

[static plinth]

We know it doesnt work with Life Costs

[kindred dawn]

hmm how do we know these things

what about chaos damage?>

[still rock]

chaos dmg doesnt bypass es in poe2

[static plinth]

If you also cant gain life you could do LL though yeah

[kindred dawn]

oh it doesnt?

[celest blaze]

I assume that you can't use it do free blood magic

I would be utterly shocked otherwise

[static plinth]

Deals double to ES instead

[still rock]

no, just does 2x dmg

[atomic halo]

you just can't pay the cost, so you can't use the skill

[static plinth]

Confirmed in a QnA you cant

[celest blaze]

Yeah not surprising at all

I was just unaware it had been officially confirmed, but that has seemed rather obvious yeah

CI. Lich is interesting

Seems scary to with he "bypasses es" and 1 life, but I think it's fine

[still rock]

doesnt matter if youre taking eternal life

[kindred dawn]

whats the purpose of eternal life if nothing bypasses ES?

[still rock]

atziris disdain is good for now

but not many other added bypass ES effects atm

in fact i think it might be the only one aside from the other lich node

lol

[static plinth]

The preceeding node is
10%

5% on tree

Atziri's is 15

[still rock]

tree?

atziris is 20-25%

[kindred dawn]

oh I see

so togther it would be like 25% free mitigation?

[atomic halo]

atziri's nerfed to 10%

fyi

[still rock]

ah

[kindred dawn]

did they say what manifest weapon and tempered weapon and fire spell on hit do?

[still rock]

they touched on the former 2 in the showcase vid but i dont think they said anything abt fire spell on hit unless i missed it

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A0EEDsHsuX8

[kindred dawn]

oh interesting

[still rock]

lol just browing through the other search results, im so sick of "X thing we havent even used yet is the most OP thing ever released in poe!!!" titles

the people who make the actual op builds wake up at noon and have 158 views on their videos

[kindred dawn]

uhh so how does the body crafting work? you get 4 options?

[still rock]

assuming you can spend as many points as you would want

[kindred dawn]

cause he said with your points

oh really?

hmm

[still rock]

so potentially 7?

[tawdry bobcat]

8

[still rock]

im just assuming, but idk why it wouldnt function that way

[kindred dawn]

first one is free, so 8

[tawdry bobcat]

The first point is free

[still rock]

oh forgot that

ty

[kindred dawn]

mods arent even that good though

is it worth an ascedency?

[still rock]

forged in flame probably is

so you use the other 4 on armor shit

[kindred dawn]

hmomm

yeah

[hoary bolt]

i still need to know if temper weapon is melee only

[kindred dawn]

oh good point

[still rock]

and if fire spell on hit is attack only (which i assume it is)

or how it functions at all

internal cd, if it is a meta skill or not, etc

[hoary bolt]

it would look a little awkward banging on a bow on an anvil though

[still rock]

its magic

https://tenor.com/view/magic-henning-oooh-aaah-wow-gif-6077591

[kindred dawn]

metal bow

[hoary bolt]

if crossbow works I would love to try like rapid shot and chain

assuming its a duration and not a hit limit

im conflicted. I want to try out Smith, but in my heart I know that Witchunter with spears will be a more sure bet

[kindred dawn]

witchhunter was weird, how does the sorceryward work? You trade armor and eva for a shield?

[still rock]

i think smith looks like a pretty solid league starter, but witch hunter is also a good league starter

[hoary bolt]

sorcery ward is based on 45% of your combined ar/ev

it doesn't trade, its additional

you do get 35% less ar/ev though

from the passive

[kindred dawn]

yea but you lose 35% armor and evasion at the same itme

[hoary bolt]

thats a fine tradeoff for quadrupling your hit pool

[kindred dawn]

hmm but squishy to phys still

you could probably get the same max hit with smith +5 max res etc

[hoary bolt]

7.4k is not squishy at all

[swift estuary]

Anyone else feeling Lich for starter? I not sure if minions or chaos caster will be stronger, but Lich looks simple and strong

[hoary bolt]

phys is always far lower than ele

also even 90% res smith is only like 30k max hit with 3.5kish life

[kindred dawn]

phys being lower just means its harder to get phys mitigation no?

[hoary bolt]

yeah phys is harder to mitigate

[kindred dawn]

doesnt mean the physical damage that monsters deal is less than ele

[hoary bolt]

elemental damage is higher from monsters

its balanced around 75% capped res

75% pure phys migitation is a pipedream

[meager tulip]

Have no clue what I’m gonna play, every hour my decision changes

[tawdry solstice]

Can living weapon be used on non melee weapons like a crossbow ? Anyone know

[hoary bolt]

we dont know

we were just talking about that recently

[tawdry solstice]

Ah my b

[hoary bolt]

I hope so, but no one knows

[tawdry solstice]

Just imagining a floating cross bow would be so cool

[pearl sluice]

What do you all think will be a reliable way to build endurance charges? I wanted to do a fire jav

[meager tulip]

Even if it works, hopefully the targeting isn’t dumb

[hoary bolt]

temper weapon is more interesting imo

crossbow explosions

[meager tulip]

Oh…nice name…

[kindred dawn]

would be nice if there was no limit to the weapons

but prob spirit

[tawdry solstice]

I forgot why I named myself this

[meager tulip]

Remember that swirling hammer crusader build in diablo 3

[tawdry solstice]

I remember a passive or something that said if a skills limit is 1 it becomes 2 or something

[kindred dawn]

gemling?

[meager tulip]

And Johnathan is just gonna let u do that?

[static plinth]

One of the tree nodes is in the patch notes, being changed to 5% of damage bypasses ES

[still rock]

rgr

[static plinth]

Get Tantalum Alloy, Molten Symbol, Flowing Metal, 1 more, take the 2 that make fire res apply to all res

Or at least thats what id do

Support Straps probably has a niche too

[static plinth]

Overabundance support but that doesnt apply to minions

[static plinth]

Pretty sure it was asked on a QnA and you only get 1 like Infernalist Hellhound

[swift estuary]

this was for companions

and it lets you have two different types of companion I think. Not sure if you can double up on the same one.

I'm really looking forward to seeing what kind of uniques are out there for Spectre

[bright locust]

allows you to have the Rhoa and a tamed Beast

[still rock]

chat am i cooking or nah

[bronze crane]

is there anything that wasnt nerfed

[still rock]

yes plenty

[bright locust]

im going Ritualist Tame beast build

[still rock]

i was inbetween tact or lich

for the allies buffs

[bright locust]

i want a Porcupine Crab XD

[static plinth]

Bringer of Rain might be cope tbh

[vale cave]

Wtf build is that, isn't ritualist only good for rings?

[still rock]

yeah losing body armour blows

but but but 2h dmg

[static plinth]

"only good for rings" literally every build in the game uses rings

[vale cave]

Ya but how do u scale tame beast damage?

[bright locust]

juiced spirit roles on both ammy and my 3 rings yes

[still rock]

dont you guys have rings

[bronze crane]

i mean you can tame beast with any build

[bright locust]

also we are gettin a ton of Companion dmg nodes

by huntress start

[still rock]

you can summon skeleton with any build

whats ur point

lel

[bronze crane]

that you dont have to go huntress

lich tame and other summons spectors

[still rock]

yeah but traveling to that node cluster would be far for a lot of other classes

[vale cave]

Is minion witch start with all the minion damage nodes not more than the companion damage nodes? Just curious cuz i also wanted to do tamed beast kinda thing as was looking for witch to do it

[bronze crane]

to be honest i think they nerfed everything just so we can play test new stuff

[still rock]

this is where the companion cluster for +1 companion is going to be

[bright locust]

Tame beast is a % spirit cost not a flat for gettin Lord of Horrors isnt a huge help

we will get a 5 Cost reduction by huntress

[neat bison]

Ritualist minions would be cracked if we had bone rings

[bronze crane]

wish we had spirit nodes on tree

[bright locust]

i can very easy just swap to tactician for tame beast as well

its just slightly more travel

[viral rover]

I see a lot of people talking about doing a spectre build on Smith, idk why, but yeah. In PoE 1 would you run like melee skills with spectres?

[still rock]

tactician closer to the minion stuff and allies AS and regen

[viral rover]

id like to bonk with specters if I could

[still rock]

tbf

[static plinth]

Spectres do a lot of different shit

Usually minion builds use them as buffbots

[vale cave]

Awwwww dang I didn't realize that

[static plinth]

But since they auto-revive now, they can be used as buffs for other builds too

[bronze crane]

if they had poe 1 and poe 2 leauge i would go poe 1

[still rock]

grats

thanks for sharing

[viral rover]

oh okay, so its not like a damage source for the build but mainly for support and buffs

okay cool

[unreal girder]

Do we know anything about the fire spell on hit skill?

[bronze crane]

wish poe 2 was in 3D and in UE5 lol

[neat bison]

It will be an energy trigger, the cast fire spell on hit

[bright locust]

i need to see a good minion uni for 2h for tact

[still rock]

uni?

oh unique

nah i think the play is just get as high phys dmg as possible

[bright locust]

other then

[static plinth]

There are spectre damage builds but warrior would never be my choice for it

[neat bison]

You could make it work but early game would probably just play slams or something

[static plinth]

yeah, def not leveling it

[viral rover]

oh okay. but I could probably put together a melee build with support specters.

[static plinth]

Yeah

[still rock]

people are going smith because its good defense

[viral rover]

im trying to make my own way this time as much as I can

[neat bison]

Yep

[still rock]

doesnt matter abt being a "warrior" or whatever

[neat bison]

Bonus points if animate weapon is actually good

[open brook]

Anyone who played acolyte, do the flames of chayula respawn? like if you fight in a boss arena and take all the current flames ?

[static plinth]

yeah they just spawn periodically around you

They arent like pre-placed in the map

[flint trail]

Is this mod real? It doesn't seem to be able to to roll on the Heroic Tragedy jewel.

[open brook]

ty, do you ever get the max 10 stacks on the chaos dmg one?

[static plinth]

Ehhh

Its annoying

You can use Mantra of Destruction to make it more tolerable though

Goated skill for Chayula

Without the double duration node its basically impossible without mantra

Even with

[open brook]

Im thinking with the defense nerfs, Embrace darkness and Inner Silence might actually be ok, a level 90 character will have almost 1k darkness, a 5 second reserve isnt great but isnt terrible. Take that + into the breach Lucid dreaming sounds like a good plan

[atomic halo]

it shows poe1 timeless jewel mods for some reason on poe2db

you can tell by the icon it's for poe1's elegant hubris

[flint trail]

RIP, on to the next idea

[still rock]

What was the most successful minion build from 0.1 i just want to poach ideas if anything

infernal zoo?

[neat bison]

I think high end was frost mages

[static plinth]

Arsonists i think

[neat bison]

but arsonists more stable

[willow ginkgo]

Campaign with Monk is going to be dog water

[verbal lava]

Arsonists were early to end game viable. I played them from campaign to t15 maps
Frost mages came online end game (needed high crit/freeze)
Arc mages had a very high gear requirement to be half way decent (needed specific rings)
snipers turned out to be really good clear and bossing with scatter and fork

as you are leveling keep a couple snipers for their gas/explode

[willow ginkgo]

Now monk has trash aoe and single target during campaign

[still rock]

alright i have my companion tactician jank mostly planned but will probably also play accuracy stacking spearzon at some point cause spear

i just know ar/eva is going to suck fat nuts again, nothing changed for that so ill probably get frustrated at being a wet paper towel around endgame

[neat bison]

Im gonna do Amazon right away, expecting to die a ton

A companion with some defensive mods could be nice

[warped hazel]

do we know if the animate/manifest weapon from blacksmith is a companion or just a normal minion?

[neat bison]

It should just be a minion

We have no idea if you can have more than 1 tho

[pearl sluice]

Does anyone know a reliable way to get endurance charges that isn’t a mace skill?

[still rock]

be warbringer

other than that no idk

[quasi flint]

been out of the loop, any good league starters?

[neat bison]

We don’t have enough info to know really, safest bet is probably Smith of Kitava

Just for the defenses

[quasi flint]

I mean there is the old stuff, I've been out of the loop on those as well

[neat bison]

Well the patch notes are almost entirely nerfs so

Still a toss up, as we don’t know the base damage changes on gems

[cobalt pollen]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ys6bFqY6Zfs

[quasi flint]

rip

another league without traps and mines

[cobalt pollen]

theres caltrops

[mellow egret]

they scale with thorns xdd

[cobalt pollen]

true!

[quasi flint]

kinda wanna try some of the spear stuff honestly but I know what gambling on new skills is like

[mellow egret]

amazon ascendancy seems popular so far, quite a few creators planning for it

[cobalt pollen]

you play kitava and you can't die and you can also experience spears

or the infusion pill where you blow up the screen

[quasi flint]

wanted to do spears on someone other than amazon

[cobalt pollen]

deadeye

[mellow egret]

kitava/deadeye for proj

[quasi flint]

I need to see the kitava one

because I feel like it's bait

since it costs ascendancy points to craft the body armor

[mellow egret]

good early, swap it later if you trade for good armour

[cobalt pollen]

you take max fire res becomes max ele res and you become immortal

and 2 nodes that contribute to chaos and phys reduction

or you can sample other nodes like temper/spell on hit/summon weapon

[quasi flint]

yeah it looks like the dediated league starter/budget/SSF ascendency doesn't it

gear sucks? just make your own

[cobalt pollen]

and then theres a unique belt thats up to about 5% max fire res

basically you can take low roll cold/light resist and the ascend that gives half your fire res to other ele covers you

[quasi flint]

yeah

do we know what these do?

[cobalt pollen]

nothing

but the job is so safe if those turn out to be bait anyway

[twin coral]

What’s the best class for lightning cross bow with the update? Still deadeye?

[neat bison]

Yeah I think endgame the armor giving like 15% life 20% str 5% life regen and 25% taken as fire is still competitive

[cobalt pollen]

ur gonna go slower but you can't die at all

[neat bison]

Especially because you have free suffixes from fire res stack

[cobalt pollen]

basically

[dusky island]

Hello! Could you please hint me where to look for amazon (spear/bow) and lich starters?

[quasi flint]

maybe like low end competitive because you still lose out on having an actual ascendancy

[heady burrow]

Builds are vibes based rn

[dusky island]

faridohyel

[cobalt pollen]

theres a node that also gives 25% armor applies to fire dmg on hits

[heady burrow]

You gott pick something and prayj

[cobalt pollen]

another layer on the phys to fire

[dusky island]

Amazon looks like no-brainer, but god it looks boring. Lich is fun, but could be useless

[heady burrow]

Lich looks strong but I cba to deal with the downsides as a league starter

[cobalt pollen]

lich has on kill effects

delicious

but I never play warrior

[dusky island]

Started for lich would be flame wall + fire skulls i assume

[heady burrow]

Prolly between tactician and smith for me maybe iono

I should have finished painting my Orks but the hype has me

[fleet swift]

planning on doing crossbows tomorrow, reccomended classes for it

[heady burrow]

Deadeye uh

[slim sequoia]

I'm kind of new to POE and kind of lost in the update.
As I understand, the new optimal class to build is Merc. Are there any other classes that are expected to be good ? Warrior is getting better ?

[blissful lintel]

does the change to fixed stat changes in the patch notes (ie ghostwrithe chaos innoc) mean that if I run eldritch battery with atziri I won't actually receive bonus mana based on my HP

[fleet swift]

whats better about Deadeye over gemling or witchhunter

[static plinth]

You didnt anyways?

I dont think so at least

Youd always just have ES from Atziri's

[still rock]

+proj

[blissful lintel]

eldritch battery doesn't affect the ES from atziri?

[static plinth]

"Overcharge Support no longer causes Supported Skills to have less Shock Duration. It now has "Shocks caused by Supported Skills are reflected back to you"."

Fuckin deranged change, i wonder what they're cooking with this one
@still rock

[static plinth]

No, Atziri's happens after in the order of operations afaik

[blissful lintel]

interesting

[still rock]

ive been wondering what theyve been cooking in general for like 4 months but ill still tune in to play for 2-4 weeks

[static plinth]

Or rather at the same time

[blissful lintel]

i was planning on going an HP/Mana stack lich with the unholy might scaling + MOM/Eldritch battery but idk now

I guess I'll see

im down to blow early league currency on an atziri for science lol

[static plinth]

There's Commiserate but still

And there's Elemental Sundering lol

[subtle vigil]

Could be used to consistently trigger a shock charm as well if it had an effect you wanted but they're so bad

[static plinth]

We pray for a good unique

[still rock]

i think we'll have to accept the game is pretty much in alpha stages in terms of build solutions and content and we are going to be testing the interactions whether they were intended or not, but i still have hopes long term

[heady burrow]

Watch a ton of skills have buffed damage and everything is fine

We don't even have the new skill tree :v

[still rock]

the issue isnt damage

at all

its that the endgame doesnt line up with their stated philosophy and the balance for build variability is very poor

especially with defenses

[heady burrow]

Wait you know the meta for this league already? What's overpowered?

Hook ya boi up with the info

[still rock]

what did i say about anything being overpowered

they didnt change anything about how defenses work

or how endgame monsters work

[heady burrow]

You said the build balance is poor, which ascendancies should I avoid this league

[still rock]

anything that doesnt give you defense from ascendancy

thats why so many players are hyping smith

[heady burrow]

oh yeah infernalist giga dead

Is tailwind consistent enough

Or nah

[still rock]

i didnt play deadeye yet tbh im not sure

[heady burrow]

Flat 30% less taken but only for one hit every few secs

Not getting 1 shot seems to be the big thing tho

[still rock]

basically, the lesson from 0.1 is youre going to be taking es in some form or youll be not enjoying endgame

smith could possibly be fine without es though

[neat bison]

Yeah monster speed and player defenses need a solution so bad

[twin sierra]

either that or ur smith

[heady burrow]

Good thing grim harvest get ye gone

[twin sierra]

and then lifebased is playable yeah lol

[heady burrow]

Might try smith just because its like 20% more currency

[twin sierra]

but yeah if not smith ur gonna need some form of es, either hybrid or ci, to be tanky

[heady burrow]

Not having to spend any mats crafting a chest means all that can go into rolling movement speed shoes and weapons

[still rock]

watch them make atziris disdain a t1 unique

would be hilarious

[heady burrow]

Prolly will be