2┃build-planning

[radiant wraith]

who knows

either double molten blasts

or double fireballs

both sounds fun

[mighty wing]

well it still reads "spells"

so unless they change it on release

[radiant wraith]

''fire spell on hit''

[mighty wing]

y

[radiant wraith]

molten blast isnt a spell as i recall

[mighty wing]

yes

[radiant wraith]

its a skill

attack skill

[mighty wing]

you just implied that it would work like mlonir maybe

[olive summit]

they did but only the aoe growth and the amount you can have up. just don't slot scattershot after you get extra projectiles now and it's still great

[radiant wraith]

with both mjolner and fire spell on hit

maybe trigger build ?

[mighty wing]

yeah its prolly good

[radiant wraith]

cast on ignite on top of that

and you stack 3 fireballs there

so you have 5 fireballs on the screen that can split into 8 + 8 with wildshards

PC DED ?

[mighty wing]

might get too busy

[radiant wraith]

ofcorse you get all + projectiles nodes

[mighty wing]

and mjolnir tier 0

[radiant wraith]

you can still convert your dmg with these 1 ex gloves

so you can actually apply shock

[bright locust]

I'm gonna go a beast companion build

[radiant wraith]

cant decide between shockmagnitude sorc vs wizard smith

[bright locust]

I wanna get a gatling crab 🦀

[radiant wraith]

warrior with these fire fairy wings is cute tho

[mighty wing]

is that an actual thing?

[bright locust]

Yea it's a beast

[mighty wing]

what spell would you use on that sorc as main dmg

[radiant wraith]

now i dont really know

spark still seems to have some potential left

[bright locust]

Spark got it's clear gutted

[mighty wing]

thats cool

[radiant wraith]

a few passives and support gem will fix projectiles nerf

along with branching bolts should be fine

you still have a stormweaver most op thing

which is double shock

and that barely got nerfed

so just go magnitude

all the way to the bottom right of deadeye

every single jewel energy shield + magnitude

wild storms + lightning rod passives

and should be atleast very fine

[bright locust]

Why not just play lightning spear skill?

[radiant wraith]

too much dex

but might also work lul

[bright locust]

Your pathing down there anyway lol

[radiant wraith]

thats exactly what i did on my nonmeta sorc

[mighty wing]

eww only 1 explosive spear at the time...

[bright locust]

The hammer of God spear move looks like it's gonna shred

[mighty wing]

cant just be a fire spear spamming smith warrior

[gaunt mortar]

Reduced duration

Insta explosions

[mighty wing]

if that works

[gaunt mortar]

It should

It works on grenades

[mighty wing]

in the ziggyD video he said it doesnt work

you too get +1 charge tho

[radiant wraith]

maybe there is no limitations to fire spell on hit and i could just spam firerains on top of eachother

who knows will see haha

[mighty wing]

anyway was prolly gona go avatar of fire so we can just use the other spear skills as main skill and explosive as filler

[rich raft]

HoG will not proc v bosses tho? Can’t gain whatsitcalled

[bright locust]

Nah the new skill the lazer

For the spear

[rich raft]

Why not?

[mighty wing]

the explosive spears have a detonation time

you would just overwrite it

[rich raft]

Ah I’m with you.

[mighty wing]

BUT we still can make other skills work

[radiant wraith]

that new laser skill kinda reminds me of orbital laser from helldivers 2

except it sits in one place

[bright locust]

Hammer of dawn from gears of war

[radiant wraith]

warrior and huntress have ult skill now

we need more ult skills for other classes now

[mighty wing]

will need to see what the new chronomancer one doeas

[bright locust]

The fact beast companion keeps the modifiers on it is wild

[quasi tinsel]

you mean unleash? it copies the skill in the same place like twice

[mighty wing]

ohh how do we know this?

[radiant wraith]

well thats how unleash support works

[bright locust]

Just grab a giga juiced beast as a pet lol

[quasi tinsel]

oh right it could be diffrent but that what it did in poe1 and it's kinda in flavour for chrono

[radiant wraith]

if its a global unleash then it means allocating it will give unlesh to every single doable skill you have i QUESS

[quasi tinsel]

like using time powers for repeating stuff

[mighty wing]

DOUBLE LASERS

[radiant wraith]

unleash is not spell echo

it doesnt copy a skill but gains seals that allow you to cast the skill twice with 50 % dmg

[mighty wing]

WE WANT MULTIPLE LASERS

lets goo chronomancers unite

[radiant wraith]

limit support maybe

[quasi tinsel]

oh yeah you right my mistake, I haven't played a caster in poe1 in a while

[radiant wraith]

or the recovery one

[quasi tinsel]

global unleash would be a little too op I think with how poe2 works

[radiant wraith]

unleash is not that op

its okay

[quasi tinsel]

maybe a % chance to cast double?

[bright locust]

Wait if they retain the rare modifiers we get free auras !?!

[radiant wraith]

global spell echo would be much more op

[mighty wing]

do we have some confirmations on what it will be other than previous versions?

[radiant wraith]

so unleash kinda should double your clear but doesnt rly help on bosses much

and you still need to give skill a second or two to collect seal

there is unleash node tho

sounds fun but stormweaver still sound better

[mighty wing]

dont know bout that

[quasi tinsel]

anyway I'm going blind amazon spears bleed build because I think they want people to play bleed for the new archetype and they are gonna overtune it a little

how fucked I am on a scale of 1-10?

[radiant wraith]

new support turns bleed into grenades

[quasi tinsel]

I've seen that, there's also leaked blood herald that looks juicy af

I just want bleed crystal support explosions to sound like poe1 gladiator explosions and I'm gonna become such a GGG simp that nothing would make me hate them

[radiant wraith]

if my warrior will be able to literally freeze the game with amount of fireballs then i am happy

doesnt rly matter if i will trigger them with melee or i just become warrior shaman either way works

having a 90 % res sorcerer also sounds like fun

[quasi tinsel]

I played a frost wall fireball build with wildshard and every time it exploded my fps went to like 8 lmao

[radiant wraith]

well

i remember raging spirit + fireball + wildshards

[quasi tinsel]

that looked greart too, but I think it would legit melt my pc

[radiant wraith]

they gutted volcano warrior sadly

it was very niche but visually stunning tho

fissure could aftershock itself

sad

[mighty wing]

its gona be volcano druid

[radiant wraith]

yeah warrior has fissures and druid is gonna go volcano spam

[mighty wing]

with the generic bear form

[radiant wraith]

i wonder if they will stack if attack speed

[fading solar]

Has there been any information on the Unleash skill that Chrono gets with the new update? Trying to work out a build and kind of want to know if it's good for me or not?

[radiant wraith]

attack speed bear spam will mean more volcano spam

[mighty wing]

pretty sure no

[radiant wraith]

sadly no

the only unleash we have in the game is a support that splits your skill into 2 seals

[fading solar]

Yeah so I was confused on how that could work as an ascendancy skill 🤔

Will have to wait for launch me guess

[radiant wraith]

global unleash is a good quess

but the wording should be different in that case tho

unless they just made a new skill and called it unleash aswell which is well strange

[mighty wing]

chronomancer got me so hyped before the ea

then the disapointment...

[radiant wraith]

now that all mana stacking is gone chronomancer seems much more on pair with weaver

[mighty wing]

yea

[radiant wraith]

i wonder if 3k mana is even doable now without sacrificing entire build

[mighty wing]

if the new skill is good it can tip the scale so every weaver and their mother will change into chrono

[radiant wraith]

well except me

i still have a build that should work fine

[mighty wing]

thumbs up for commitment

[radiant wraith]

but i am more hyped for sorcerer smith honestly

[mighty wing]

and not following the fotm sheep

[radiant wraith]

double casting sounds nuts

i quess one fireball will be casted from the stuff and the other one he will shot from his ass or mouth

[mighty wing]

imagine if its a random spell everytime

[radiant wraith]

lolz

[mighty wing]

and you just randomly start casting firestorm

in the middle of the mobs

[radiant wraith]

then you literally have 1 stat to focus on

cast speed

and since you dont need to stack mana

you just stack regen

and dont forget about aoe for fireballs

[mighty wing]

isint there a unique that makes your projectiles circle around you?

pretty sure i saw some screenshot about it

[radiant wraith]

''Fire spell on hit''

''spell''

doesnt say random

i am 90 % sure you socket your own skill there

its like a cast on shock but its always charged

[mighty wing]

imagine your first fireballs circling around you all the time, then standing in front of an enemy all the fireballs hit them and generate energy, and then you just autocast more fireballs from the proc

[radiant wraith]

i mean there has to be some limit to it

it has to have some internal cooldown

[mighty wing]

i think they said it works on the energy system

[radiant wraith]

like mana flare or weaver storm

[mighty wing]

in the interview

[radiant wraith]

otherwise every other fireballs spam will trigger another 10 fireball spam

resulting in a fking PC death

[mighty wing]

yeap

but it needs the energy

[radiant wraith]

then i wonder how you gain the energy then

[mighty wing]

pretty sure thats on hit

[radiant wraith]

yeah but what if you do 50 hits a second

[mighty wing]

then its a nightmare

[radiant wraith]

that would create the never ending loop of fireball spam

[mighty wing]

yes

[radiant wraith]

and there are other things that can hit enemies

also auras and unique that also do '' hits ''

afk build incoming like the one asmongold was using ?

vampire survivors simulator warrior maybe ?

[mighty wing]

srs generation with it aswell?:D

[radiant wraith]

ofcorse

[mighty wing]

thats some real warrior fantasy right there:D

[radiant wraith]

ascendancy gives fire dmg so thats good

otherwise just fulltank

[mighty wing]

damn

[radiant wraith]

if i could clear a t2 arbiter with it i would be happy

[mighty wing]

if you could dwield staff with chernobogs shield even more fire dmg

[radiant wraith]

aslong as it freezes the game

[mighty wing]

ohh wait

[radiant wraith]

well maybe a wand + shield will work

[mighty wing]

fireball doesnt need any

forgot that

[radiant wraith]

yeah it doesnt 😄

there is a staff that auto triggers fusillade aswell

an amulet that auto triggers lightning bolt

you could literally make an auto trigger spam build that just fuels itself

[mighty wing]

imagine after this cooking its on a 10sec cd

[radiant wraith]

XD

could make for a very gameplay friendly map destroyer build

[mighty wing]

i mean it prolly would still be pretty decent with all the fire dmg we can get

[radiant wraith]

propably bosses would be a bit longer ofcorse

but trash clear should be absolutely ridiculous

i dont remember if you can chain fireballs from terrain

[mighty wing]

pretty sure you can

[radiant wraith]

propably no ?

oh well

i am kinda tired of spark and arc

repetitive , boring

[merry tundra]

playing spark made me quit the game too

it became such an afk fest

[radiant wraith]

might aswell just go this warrior and do some crazy ass build with that notable

might be a bit tricky to apply shock with that but its doable

either with cast on shock or trigger item

[eternal geode]

POE2 deadwater

[storm steppe]

Guys please what is good build

[karmic geyser]

[karmic geyser]

have you started playing

[hollow galleon]

Good build now is Tactician have a bunch of banners ballistae and rain mssiles on your enemies brrrrrrrrr

[karmic geyser]

[storm steppe]

Wdym?

[karmic geyser]

well if I say do X build and you are on Y class its pretty useless information for you

[storm steppe]

I mean for upcoming league

[karmic geyser]

should start by saying that

[storm steppe]

If I play in a duo I think tactician looks good

[karmic geyser]

tbh nobody is really gonna know for sure whats good because we havent seen the new support gems yet

[unreal girder]

What exactly does the artillery ballista change mean?

[karmic geyser]

just yolo a random class and do campaign and wait for PoB nerds to find what's good

[mighty wing]

love how tactician went from the least hyped new thing into a possible league starter for many

after lich builds got gutted

[wooden haven]

Shock Siphon and grim feast both removed? So how you get ES now

[sick furnace]

Bleed spear deadeye ?

[hushed rock]

For minions - lich or?

[lean willow]

is it possible to increase level of concoction skills?

[dawn spire]

Chronomancer 🙂

Specifically temporal rift

This is the fucking age of the chronomancer, mark my words

[dense laurel]

Soooo

[fringe lagoon]

Is anyone planning to play Elemental Infusion Amazon on 0.2? I could use some help theorycrafting in https://discord.com/channels/174993814845521922/1357291963308703754.

[dense laurel]

I'm gonna try to do a wind serpent fury build

[dawn spire]

I'm so excited to see what the new unleash skill does for chrono

[dense laurel]

Or like "build frenzy charge" to do biiiig ooga dooga spear

Or see if I can make a build that can spam the WSF like multiple spear thrusts, (does it count as a throw??l

[narrow grail]

I wonder if with trusted kinship keystone it will be annoying to get 2 good companions, if summoning new one will overwrite the oldest one or can I choose which one to overwrite.

[dawn spire]

I'm not sure if artillery ballista was below or above the curve compared to other totems, so I'm not sure. It also means it does zero physical damage by default and the quality got way better, I think

[unreal girder]

Well it was absolute dogshit

[hoary bolt]

huh

artillery is good

solid damage, great clear

[mighty wing]

me too that decides if i go for chrono or smith

oooor maybe a tactician

[dawn spire]

Anything with chronomancer. Temporal rift gets you ES back, recoup over 4 seconds is nuts, and slowing enemies by 20% is bonkers. Then take the quicksand hourglass if you want cast speed, or maybe the new unleash node if it's good. No idea what it does yet.

But temporal rift is actually insane now since it's basically the only reliable way to get ES back now. I'm thinking of maybe a grenade chrono with the chance to not consume a cooldown. With the buff to crossbows and the cooldown nerfs basically not mattering for chrono, it could be pretty strong.

I'm also eyeing flameblast, fireball, cold snap, and chaos dot

[hoary bolt]

speaking of grenades

[dawn spire]

Disclaimer: I have no idea what's good until I see the new supports

[hoary bolt]

imma repost a reddit comment I made

After the initial shock has worn off I'm honestly fine with the grenade cooldown change. Its clear they want to change how they are played, and I assume that they are going to hit quite hard, which makes them excellent for weavings into other skill rotations and chunking bosses when they are off cooldown. If they do hit hard, it might honestly be a buff for Rapid Shot + Grenade builds, because managing your heat becomes far easier when you don't have to launch a grenade every 1.1 seconds. Building up to max heat for over 2.62x normal grenade damage and then launching a volley of 12 extremely beefy grenades (3 proj x 4 saved cooldown uses) to absolutely wreak havoc on a boss' healthbar seems pretty fun.

prob going to be my starter. Rapid shot with explosive

[dawn spire]

With chrono and a bunch of cdr, +grenade cooldown uses, and extra projectiles, you can kinda break explosive shot and grenade interactions. It was kinda funny. Super jank, but funny

[hoary bolt]

yeah same with chance to not consume bolts and single shot crossbow skills

[dawn spire]

Throwing out 7+ sets of cluster grenades and then detonating them with the crossbow shot was soooo weird

[hoary bolt]

at a certain point you can rip off so many in a row

[dawn spire]

They would detonate in a really weird sequence

[unreal girder]

Give me a video then pls

[hoary bolt]

when detonated with explosive they fire in sequence

[unreal girder]

Cos Ive seen nothing good about it

[dawn spire]

We don't have a time machine 😦

[hoary bolt]

this was week 1 with really bad gear in a t15 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eRQYu7lo0xA

[dawn spire]

Grenades are getting more aoe and more random spread while crossbows are getting a hefty damage buff. So grenades might be kinda nutty

[unreal girder]

Is this gemling ?

[hoary bolt]

yeah it was

just for the +1 level and skill costs

nothing else mattered

[dawn spire]

So now gemling is even better for it

[hoary bolt]

yes

[unreal girder]

How was the bossing

[hoary bolt]

deadeye also has an argument for the +1 proj

extra proj is just direct more mult

[dawn spire]

But chrono is queen

[unreal girder]

Tailwind doesnt work with totems tho

Right

[hoary bolt]

yeah unfortunately

[turbid patrol]

How did crossbow get buffed?

[hoary bolt]

at least I dont think it does

[unreal girder]

2h dmg mods

[hoary bolt]

the bossing wasnt bad at all

[dawn spire]

They have more base damage and their mods will now use 2h damage mods instead of 1h

[turbid patrol]

Oh nice

[hoary bolt]

I didnt end up pushing the build super far because I have build ADD

but it was actually super fucking good for the budget

[unreal girder]

Did you go ancestral bond?

[hoary bolt]

nope

[dawn spire]

My issue with grenades is that I hate the way they get shot

[hoary bolt]

just 4 totems

[unreal girder]

Got a pob maybe?

[hoary bolt]

3 from tree and 1 m overabundance

[dawn spire]

They drive me insane and the explosions are too big and loud. I doubt I'll be able to stomach grenades

[hoary bolt]

i finished the build before pob2 was released

but im planning on remaking it again

I can set up a quick one if you wish

with sample gear

[unreal girder]

Just stack gem levels right?

Im more curious about the skill tree

[hoary bolt]

pretty much yeah

a GG weapon is +7 with highest tier elemental damage

and 3 ele damage cores

i spent like 50ex on basically a perfect one

wait this buff is huge wtf

34% more damage for artillery and full fire conversion

[dusty kiln]

so what ideas do you guys have for tactician merc? my original plan just went up in flames cause they nerfed an interaction i planned around 😦

[cinder raven]

Can someone explain to me how smith's masterwork ascendancy passive works?
Like how many of those passives can you use or apply?

[static torrent]

Up to 8, same as the number of ascendancy passives.

It's just that if you were to go with all 8, you wouldn't be able to assign any of those points to other skills on the tree.

[broken nexus]

damn they looked at eldritch battery and said "you there fuck you"

[bronze sequoia]

Im looking into herald build but I dont fully understand the wording of this line in patchnotes:

"The on-kill effects of Herald skills can no longer trigger from kills caused by Herald skills."

Does this mean like Herald of ice cant chain anymore?

[broken nexus]

yes

[cinder raven]

So 1 to travel and 7 to pick?

[static torrent]

The first node is free.

[broken nexus]

it says you can allocate for free

[static torrent]

The one that locks you to only be able to use Normal Body Armour.

The other nodes all cost 1 ascendancy passive each.

[cinder raven]

Oh wow

We can be tanky af

[broken nexus]

Isnt it better to get the fire resist conversions tho?

you can stack resistances and increase cap too

[bronze sequoia]

Sorry, was that yes a reply to my question? 😄

[broken nexus]

yes

[cinder raven]

That's regenerate 5% of life per second will actually be pretty good with zealots oath

[bronze sequoia]

ty

[broken nexus]

forgot to click reply but yes, apparently they dont want effects to trigger off themselves

(which I think is a good thing but thats not related to answering your question)

[bronze sequoia]

Yea I thought so. I was just hoping Im wrong

[bronze sequoia]

I wont fiddle with heralds then. The point of HoI was that satisfying chain reacion

[hoary bolt]

@unreal girder this was sort of what I was running https://pobb.in/Q-APhqEG32v7

[broken nexus]

join the spectre gang, we turn ARPG into RTS

"you must construct additional spirit gear"

[hoary bolt]

a +5 fireflower would be better than just a +3 proj amulet, but harder to get other good stats too

[dusty kiln]

i wonder if crossbows or maces are going to be the best option for minion tactician

[bronze sequoia]

https://tenor.com/view/sc2-protoss-gif-21604232

[cobalt pollen]

are you specifically coinflipping always on hotg bleed with the supp

[hoary bolt]

with lacerate?

[cobalt pollen]

yes

[hoary bolt]

a lot of the time yes

but there are passives that increase the chance

% chance to inflict ailments is a multiplier to bleed chance

and more effective than the measly 5% bleed chance found elsewhere

[broken nexus]

ill never forget that scene, protoss are my favorites

[bronze sequoia]

So we playing spectres? Which ascendancy your thinking of?

[bright locust]

I'm going ritualist cuz i want to focus Beast companion with spectres for support

[broken nexus]

all in on lich, unholy might +soulless form stack HP and ES

find the most unhinged spectre possible and summon an army of them

[cobalt pollen]

if bleed isn't all cracked up to be

lots of aoe dmg nodes on tree for warrior

and everything spear does so far has aoe tag

[bronze sequoia]

YEA I was thinking lich too

[broken nexus]

and ill prob just go contagion + temporal chains with doom so they spread via contagion

[bright locust]

Bullet crabs 🦀

[broken nexus]

and another curse to amplify whatever spectres do

[broken nexus]

I was thinking those annoying fire cannon lookin ass dudes from trial of sekhemas

they hit like a truck too XD at least early

[bronze sequoia]

There was that other monster in trial too the one with bees or something

[tender needle]

Did they release some of the new skills/uniques somewhere or do we just have the patch notes?

[bright locust]

Just patch

[tender needle]

rip

[bright locust]

We get gems today

[tender needle]

ah ok

[bright locust]

I think

[tender needle]

Also do you know the release time? Announcement in this server just says 3pm without timezone

[bright locust]

It's in your time on the announcement

[tender needle]

ah cool

didnt know discord had that feature

[unreal girder]

How did you scale defenses?

[hoary bolt]

it was week 1 when no one scaled anything properly. It was pretty squishy when hit, but I rarely ever got hit even with next to zero traditional defenes. if I were to do it again I would absolutely go with witchunter and the newly buffed sorcery ward

sorcery ward with cloak of flame is legitimately crazy

[unreal girder]

Yeah

[hoary bolt]

and the bottom half of the totem passives bring you right near some of the best ar/ev hybrid nodes

[bright locust]

Prowling shade from the temple the one with glacial cascade is good also

[unreal girder]

Kitava/wh are my plans tbh cos defenses overall feel quite gutted

[bright locust]

Also hear me out RIVER HAG spectres

[hollow galleon]

gonna love halving ailment threshold against those

[near timber]

gemling will be strong next patch

[quartz spruce]

Good for rogue exile farming XD

[bright locust]

I wonder if the orb will 1 tap shit like it does us 😆

[quartz spruce]

Banned from comp pvp

That new bleed notable looks absolutely busted, bleeds are 1 sec but always aggrivated.

[unreal girder]

Gemling without lifestack has like no def scaling, and defenses are nerfed 😦

[near timber]

i got a build that can kill t4 simulacrum

without howa, pillar

[unreal girder]

Ok what are the def layers

[near timber]

mana

[timid aurora]

What class will noe be best for totem build

[unreal girder]

Mana just got severely nerfed

[near timber]

without dream fragment requirement?

[unreal girder]

They gutted mana rolls on items

[near timber]

how hard? o-o

[bright locust]

Your whole build got nuked lol

[near timber]

i mean gemling cant be really nerfed

[unreal girder]

It was

[near timber]

havent tried gemling but a monk can reach 400, 600, 400 stats without astra. now imagine enhanced effectiveness on a gemling with 80% instead of 100% effectiveness

thats basically nerfing a gemling to monk tier

[hollow galleon]

gemling will be good, but not for stat stacking on diff stats

[unreal girder]

Also ingenuity is nerfed

[near timber]

now apply that to builds that were generally stronger on gemlings than their target class

like widowhail spark?

its low budget

[bright locust]

Spark was gutted

[unreal girder]

Gemling will be fine, but fixing defenses on it will be trickier.

Imo defensive ascendancies are better stsrters cos its easier to get dmg than def

[near timber]

less projectiles doesnt matter with more skill effect duration and 120% projectile speed from quiver

[hollow galleon]

this is how I see the patch

[bright locust]

Yup that's it right there

[unreal girder]

The crossbow buffs are kinda overrated, we barely ran any flat dmg on our xbows anyway cos of howa

[bright locust]

Mana stacking got nuked from every angle

[hollow galleon]

they gettin 2H mods, besides a few other things i believe

[unreal girder]

Yes its good

Im just saying its less insane than it looks

Plus we still have 0 idea about actual skill numbers

[pearl scroll]

Does anyone have end game chonk PoB code? Or where to find PoB build codes to import to play around with?

[unreal girder]

Chonk lul

[pearl scroll]

Is that a thing yet?

[near timber]

https://poe2.ninja/builds/standard/character/IsThisGunUrWife-1864/柚子的最后一世?i=0&search=class%3DGemling%2BLegionnaire%26items%3DWidowhail

how much weaker is that build now? i would say -40% but it would still work

[unreal girder]

literally everything in that build is nerfed xd

[near timber]

ye, but the build works with 6k mana rn on a spark

i think gemling can get to 6k mana after nerfs?

[bright locust]

I don't think you understand you lost like 75% of your dmg

You can't even roll mana on that chest anymore

[pearl scroll]

What a good DPS for an end game build?

atm

[bronze sequoia]

How about those annoying eye of winter dudes in a3?

[bright locust]

They should be nice

[bright locust]

You can't even get that chest anymore they nerfed it so hard lol

Those rolls don't exist on it anymore

[unreal girder]

really curious what the new mods on it will be

probably more dmg oriented

[bright locust]

I just want the league to start already 😆

[hollow galleon]

Even with patch notes, hard to plan any build without seeing new gems, rebalances etc....

[unreal girder]

yeah imo leaving out all the skill dmg balance was kinda tone deaf

we're basically guessing

plus I'M sure there's buffs in there so why not release it

altough I guess Poedb will have them datamined tomorrow

[hollow galleon]

Many Skills have had their base damage and/or damage growth per level rebalanced. Most of these changes are not specifically mentioned below as the changes are too widespread.

Basically - they were just too lazy to write them out? lol

[tender needle]

can at least decide what not to run :P

[noble token]

yep lol

[cinder raven]

What are some good defense and recovery options for warriors?

[hoary bolt]

smith of kitava has easy access to 90% max res on all 3 elements

as well as an easy 7.5% base regen

block is also insanely strong

[cinder raven]

Well I wanted for warrior tree in general not the ascendancy because I want it to compliment Smith

[hoary bolt]

well block then

cap that out and you'll feel 100x tankier

pretty easy to cap with a good increased block prefix roll on shield

[cinder raven]

Omen crest will be good with the ascendancy tho

[hoary bolt]

how so

oh you mean rise of the phoenix

really shouldnt be needed

[cinder raven]

Yeah looks like I remember the name of the base

[hoary bolt]

its trivial to cap 90% max fire res on tree

even without the shield

[cinder raven]

So 75% fire res and regen from ascendancy?

What's your pick?

[hoary bolt]

I would only take the 75% early

[worn whale]

is gemling summoner an insane idea?

[hoary bolt]

just stack fire res on all gear and use unnatural resilience

[worn whale]

like
from what i recall, summons really want +level, right?

[hoary bolt]

gemling summoner is good, more for the quality actually

reduces spirit reservation

[worn whale]

👀

[worn whale]

might go gemling spectres then

[hoary bolt]

@cinder raven

240% uncapped fire res = +13% max fire res including the previous one in the cluster

and also +13% maximum cold and light

and 120% cold and light resistance itself

that puts you at 88% all res right off the bat

then simply need 2% max fire res from anywhere else like a jewel

or 2 soul cores

[cinder raven]

How do we get to like 240% fire res tho?

And is there any other benefit like regen from fire res like in poe1?

[hoary bolt]

just get it on all gear. No need to even get any cold or lightning anywhere

240% uncapped res is 300% total

a fire res + all res breach ring with a fire catalyst can give a TON

something like this will give 82% fire res, as well as 52% cold and 52% light

if you travel up to prism guard on tree capping 90% res is even easier, and you need less total fire

also ascendancy itself has 30% fire res from 2 15% small nodes

[cinder raven]

Yeah I'll be traveling up

For spell dmg and stuff

[unreal girder]

can also take 75% fire res on ascendancy early if u need

[hoary bolt]

point being that rise of the phoenix is competely unnecessary

[cinder raven]

Yeah will prolly take block

Rare shield

[hoary bolt]

block is so comfy

[cinder raven]

Do we get % life on block on tree or is it all flat life?

[hoary bolt]

i am super interested on the numbers on temper weapon though

tree is pure flat life on block

only source of % life on block is surrender shield

[worn whale]

how much of a problem is starting on bottom as a summoner?

i was thinking of gemling summoner, but the starting pos kiinda sucks

[hoary bolt]

as a pure summoner? big problem

but campaign respecs are cheap

there are some minion clusters in merc area

but not early on

[cinder raven]

What does it do?
All I know is it gives explosions

[hoary bolt]

thats sort of all we know right now

its assumed it also gives some gain as fire

and the explosions themselves might be pretty beefy

[worn whale]

this just refers to mana/hp costs

[cinder raven]

If I take crossbow with giants blood can I equip a shield?

[worn whale]

not spirit, right?

[hoary bolt]

yeah just skill costs

spirit is a reservation not a cost

[worn whale]

figured

[hoary bolt]

we dont actually know what the quality on spectre gem does right now

[celest blaze]

It has never worked with anything other than "martial weapons" but now the ascendancy will actually say that it doesn't

So... no, sorry.

[hoary bolt]

if its not reduced reservation gemling might not make sense

[cinder raven]

Shit so shield is out of the equation

[worn whale]

oh def
im just assuming it is for now

[celest blaze]

with the whole "shared cooldown of travel skills" and making Blink a travel skill, what should I use to cancel my shield charge animation?

Ugh, I did not see this coming, it's a real kick in the vaal for my build

[hoary bolt]

shame that shield charge has a CD

[celest blaze]

well, kinda. You can have a shield on weapon swap and set up skills to automatically toggle weapon sets depending what you're doing

But, yes, no way to use a shield, quiver, or anything with an xbow. One of the reasons they've traditionally sucked.

[cinder raven]

But crossbow skills with fire spell on hit is so good tho

[celest blaze]

in the previous patch I kept a shield and a scepter on WS. the extra spirit let me enable blink, and then I'd shield charge and blink out of it at the end

[worn whale]

soo
this would get me up to
(14+7*5)=49% quality, or in other words getting me from 10% reduced spirit reservation to 34.5% reduced spirit reservation from quality

[unreal girder]

no

[celest blaze]

now. Yes. so there might be a point?

Before they were just ass

[worn whale]

(assuming 5 green support gems lmfao)

is that actually worth?

[hoary bolt]

yeah canceling the recovery animation of shield charge is so good

[celest blaze]

cancelling it with blink was even better

so bummed

[hoary bolt]

wdym green supports

[cinder raven]

But the amount of triggers will need a lot of mana tho damn,
If I go blood magic I might end up killing myself

[celest blaze]

i was bopping around Sekhema trials with that (and TPing through the Gauntlet walls, which looks to be fixed also)

[worn whale]

dex support gems
since the +3 skills node got changed to give uh
%increased damage per strength support
%increased quality per dex support
%increased crit chance per int support

[hoary bolt]

the newly changed passive grants skill speed per green support not quality. Gemling only gives 14% qual

[worn whale]

wait no thats skill speed

im idiot

[hoary bolt]

do you guys think temper weapon only works on melee weapons?

[worn whale]

soo
like a 10% dps increase if it comes up to it for two ascendancy points

seems
not very good?

[hoary bolt]

well reduced reservation gets better and better the higher you scale it

[cinder raven]

I'd assume so because of the animation they showed

[worn whale]

true
how much of it is there to scale?

[celest blaze]

That node is now over here, and ALSO you are not taking it in your screenshot you posted.

Other than that you nailed it 😛

[hoary bolt]

thats how you see those like 50 sniper builds

[worn whale]

huh?

thats gem studded which as far as i can see didnt get changed

[celest blaze]

Gem studded had its position swapped with Integrated Efficiency

The Integrated Efficiency Ascendancy Passive Skill has swapped positions with Gem-Studded. It no longer provides +3 Skill Slots. Instead, it now causes Skills to gain 20% increased Damage per socketed red Support Gem, Skills gain 6% increased Skill Speed per socketed green Support Gem, and Skills gain 20% increased Critical Hit Chance per socketed blue Support Gem.

[worn whale]

goddamnit so its even worse

since i have to pick up gemstudded as a useless travel node

[hoary bolt]

go tactician minions tbh

[celest blaze]

possibly. Beter for my build though

[hoary bolt]

but man, imagine temper weapon working for crossbow

and just spraying bolts everywhere with chain

[celest blaze]

what in the hell does temper weapon do again?

[hoary bolt]

fire explosions on hit

numbers unknown

[celest blaze]

on hit, not on kill. Hmm.

[hoary bolt]

yeah works for single target too

[celest blaze]

that might be a game changer, though the "stop and bonk" is irritating seeming

[cinder raven]

Imagine it works for spells lmao

Along with fire spell on hit

[celest blaze]

yeah 0 chance

[hoary bolt]

jonathan said it enhances your weapon

so attack only

but he didnt say melee weapon

[celest blaze]

oh. "your weapon."

Likely useless for totem build then

[hoary bolt]

once again though

imagine rapid shot or armour piercing bolts

with chain on crossbow

if that works..................

[cinder raven]

If area of effect mods work it can also shotgun

[hoary bolt]

yeah it was shotgunning in the demo

[cinder raven]

Snakebite for fork and more clear

[harsh halo]

hexblast is fucking dead right?

[hoary bolt]

they were clearly using the new ancestral call: https://youtu.be/J6RGbL4MtBs?si=R-rOBc-jZWbc5q1N&t=658

[cinder raven]

Yep

[hoary bolt]

notice the overlaps

[harsh halo]

fuuuuucm

i really wanted to try it on lich

what the fuck were they thinking with the hexblast change XD

[pearl scroll]

somebody make the church of huntress

[harsh halo]

they want to change witch to turn based gameplay or what

[hoary bolt]

man what an overreaction

hexblast clearly was a bit overtuned

also we have like 100 unknown support gems

who knows if something in there isnt giga strong for it

[harsh halo]

i want chaos damage skill other than essence drain

[hoary bolt]

when shadow comes out is when most of the chaos stuff comes I would assume

[harsh halo]

pretty sure there is no other than hexblast?

[hoary bolt]

contagion, essence drain, hexblast, dark effigy

for spells at least

[harsh halo]

do you really think waiting 4sec for one cast is overreacting meanwhile we will spam lightning bolts on amazon every 0.5 sec?

[hoary bolt]

we dont know the numbers

[ebon harness]

demon form no longer available?

[hoary bolt]

also once again, theres a possibilty one of the new supports has synergy

might be one that lowers delay

[harsh halo]

so in other words there is none if you don't want to play dot

[ebon harness]

i wonder whats the number's of flat hp degen

per demonflame

[hoary bolt]

ED might still be good

with some new supports, especially that int stack one

[harsh halo]

iirc ED is dot?

[hoary bolt]

also 100+ new uniques

[celest blaze]

So, say I'm a gemling Legionnaire with Gem Studded (two of each support gem) and set up three totem skills, and add Increase Limit to two of them

+2 totems total, yah?

[hoary bolt]

ed is dot yeah

[ebon harness]

if someone is going to try new form in 0.2

[harsh halo]

ehhh

[hoary bolt]

it applys a strong damage over time that can spread with contagion

[harsh halo]

sad

[hoary bolt]

ED might be buffed too

we'll have to see

[harsh halo]

ye but its a dot

[hoary bolt]

yeah?

you know you can make any elemental spell deal chaos right

can do chaos comet

chaos spark

[dense laurel]

Ed also hits

[harsh halo]

some people care about character fantasy

[hoary bolt]

I get it, I do

I think more will come with shadow

[dense laurel]

This isn't the "character fantasy" chat tho

Its build chat

[harsh halo]

okay my bad

[hoary bolt]

eh, charcter theme can be a part of a build

[harsh halo]

insane hexblast change keep it going

[hoary bolt]

my point with hexblast is don't doom yet

we still need numbers

and all the supports

[dense laurel]

People are complaining about nerfs buuut, here's the thing, we haven't seen what the 100+ supports/uniques do.yet

[hoary bolt]

or all the skill damage changes

[dense laurel]

Yea

[hoary bolt]

like people are freaking about flameblast for some reason, as if they actually even played that skill

it will probably be spell HOTG

[unreal girder]

well yeah but, then they shouldve shown us xd

ofc ppl will complain

[dense laurel]

GGG is all.about making their games feel.balanced so.if there's "heavy nerfs" coming in, we're probably getting REALLY good stuff

[hoary bolt]

poe2db datamine later today 😎

[harsh halo]

yes that's why i think it's normal to be disappointed

[unreal girder]

first time?

[harsh halo]

when i see datamined stuff maybe i will change my mind

[radiant wraith]

New Smith can fire any fire spell on hit , kinda like built in cast on shock but for free and insta charge

[harsh halo]

im fine with nerfs this is just completely another level of nerf than "less projectiles", "less damage" etc

[hoary bolt]

it has buildup, shouldnt be instant

[radiant wraith]

Can be used as a support for his melee or you can just do double or triple fireball build

[dense laurel]

Anyways I'm going lich- essence drain unleash/ lots of projectiles

[hoary bolt]

can also trigger utility skills

[radiant wraith]

So i AM going Smith mage i wuess

[hoary bolt]

like flammability or flame wall

even for melee builds

[radiant wraith]

Yeah well yes

[hoary bolt]

or solar orb with font of rage and font of blood

[hollow galleon]

Instead, it now causes Skills to gain 20% increased Damage per socketed red Support Gem

red gem is STR right...damn Gemling STR build does look good

[hoary bolt]

100% damage is kinda cool if you're all red supports

but not like super strong

acually maybe

i need to check how much global % increases a build picks up these days

[hollow galleon]

and u also get +2 to skills with STR requirement....so Totem Gemling STR build?

[radiant wraith]

Conflux now the way to go i quess

[dense laurel]

I'm gonna use the legurium talisman for.my lich build, gives life regen as ES

[hoary bolt]

my supercharged slam build has 789% inc damage

so 100% extra isnt a ton

[dense laurel]

It's like zealots oath, without a downside

[radiant wraith]

Can you calculate damage using shock ?

I have no idea how

[hoary bolt]

just tick shock in pob

[radiant wraith]

I have full magnitude build

Oh i see

[dense laurel]

Does pob have the new stuff 👀?

[hollow galleon]

I wonder how fast they will update PoB after release
I didn't use it in 0.1 cause it just took too long to show up

[pearl scroll]

Im looking at the passive tree and huntress looks fun af from it

[distant glade]

Is it worth even trying to put something together right now without knowing the all the numbers ?

[radiant wraith]

We can theorycraft a little

[dense laurel]

No

[sturdy notch]

No but since when has that stopped anybody?

[hollow galleon]

maybe, to get a rough idea

[dense laurel]

Theory craft for build ideas yes

[hollow galleon]

if its a build that uses mostly existing gems ofc

[dense laurel]

Precise numbers no

[hoary bolt]

long ass custom configs

[distant glade]

Ill probably end up just picking an ascendancy and improvising my way to maps

[pearl scroll]

Can you dual wield spears?

[hoary bolt]

no

[distant glade]

No

[pearl scroll]

proof?

[distant glade]

Ggg

[pearl scroll]

where

[distant glade]

Idk bro but I heard it multiple times

Check the interviews

[static torrent]

And

[pearl scroll]

They changed giants blood to martial weapons

[dense laurel]

Bro....why would people lie lol no one gains anything by making shit up haha 😂

[pearl scroll]

so not only maces and axes

[static torrent]

Only the description for increasing the requirements, and it still specifically affects Two-handed weapons

[hoary bolt]

that was just a cleaner description

no functionality change

[pearl scroll]

Hmm I see

[static torrent]

Giant's Blood still works the same way, it's just this one line that's changing

[dense laurel]

Also it said sword/maces/axes

[pearl scroll]

Does spear throw count as a melee skill?

[static torrent]

No, it's ranged

[distant glade]

Proof ?

Lol

[pearl scroll]

I mean storm wave and glacial cascade are ranged attacks and they are counted as melee skills

[distant glade]

It makes sense those are melee skills, you swing the melee weapon and a effect happens

Throwing a spear isn’t melee

[static torrent]

We can see from other Spear throws that they're Projectile skills. Storm Wave and Glacial Cascade don't create a projectile, they make an AoE from the weapon.

[pearl scroll]

okay ty

[hollow galleon]

this is the the huntress one btw

[hidden siren]

its slow

[static torrent]

Lightning Spear was a Spear skill too, but yeah, that's another example.

[pearl scroll]

How about does a buckler count as a shield?

[hidden siren]

yes

[hollow galleon]

i dont think it gives u raise shield skill, but instead deflect - which is prob better anyways

[hidden siren]

its considered a shield

[distant glade]

Do we have numbers for the fire spell on hit ascendancy for the smith? Or know how it works exactly ?

[hidden siren]

i dont think parry is all that useful as a defensive thing

[hollow galleon]

i mean depends on the boss...u can basically hold down deflect and block any hit that is blockable, while also debuffing them, and then using a skill that makes use of that debuff

seems pretty good to me

[static torrent]

It's more offensive than Raise Shield, given that it sets up a combo with some Spear skills, but it's still good for parrying the occasional Strike or Projectile, yeah.

[distant glade]

The new mechanic with lowering raise shield sounds pretty cool actually

[pearl scroll]

cant parry projectiles without the unique tho

[distant glade]

Hopefully it’s good aoe

[static torrent]

You can, you just have to be within 1 metre.

[pearl scroll]

oh well yea

[distant glade]

Let’s say if I 1 shot a white mob, can that still proc stun? Wondering for the new hotg

[static torrent]

It does work for other statuses like Freeze or Shock, for the purposes of Heralds, so I'll say maybe

[hollow galleon]

there is a unique buckler that extends that distance

[static torrent]

Yes, but the other person already mentioned that Unique

[hollow galleon]

honestly if ure gonna abuse deflection, seems like the go-to buckler

being 1.1m from the enemy and then going OOPS no deflect will prob suck lol

with infinite distance deflect is strictly better than raise shield

[distant glade]

Man I kinda just wanna log into boneshatter titan at the start

[hidden siren]

my only issue with the nerfs is that itll be harder to do trials

for the ascendancy

[bright locust]

the bosses have half the hp they had before

[static torrent]

Only the last bosses, iirc

So Zarokh and the Trialmaster

[hidden siren]

more honor lost

just have to get lucky then i guess

[distant glade]

So the people that actually learned boss mechanics are eating this patch

[celest blaze]

I feel like I'm going crazy, but in poe2 shield charge doesn't scale with attack speed, yes?

[static torrent]

Anyway, there are plenty of number changes that we haven't yet seen, I would wager that at worst, you just do the Trial a bit later and you'll still be fine

[tulip fog]

man i wasnt expecting the one nerf my build got was that i got my speed while casting nerfed when i was already slow as fuck (im using a channeled ability)

[bright locust]

the Chimera is gonna be a nightmare with the threshold changes lol

[celest blaze]

also, there's an ascendancy with "ignore elemental resist in your presence" ascendancy somewhere but I can't find it

anyone recall?

[hidden siren]

presence is smaller

[tulip fog]

o7

[hidden siren]

as someone that plays ranged i prefer not to be in melee range to activate presence stuff

[unreal girder]

Who needs mobility support when u got Rhoa

[hidden siren]

wind dancer nerf sucks tho

[bright locust]

its also a minion btw XD

[tulip fog]

im a caster, using Incinerate, im slow as fuck when casting

[bright locust]

im gonna be a beast master bby

[distant glade]

Time to play pathfinder

[radiant wraith]

If you like slow trydualwield molten strike

[tulip fog]

would cost too many passive points to move up to witch side of the passive tree to grab the passives i need

i dont LIKE slow, i wish i was faster

but the skill is very nice damage-wise

[celest blaze]

hellyah brother

Although the "less attack speed" got buffed from "-30%" to "-15%" so we've got that going for us

(also I use totems mostly though)

[wraith gorge]

does huntress passive skill tree start from the bottom or bottom right?

[distant glade]

Ranger start

[hidden siren]

im torn between going ranger or huntress

they buffed one of my ascendancy nodes

for ranger

i have to trst out the changes

[tulip fog]

for the new league i might go bloodmage thanks to the free bleed aggravate ascendancy change

[hidden siren]

bleed was too slow for me

[distant glade]

If herald of blood could apply bleed it would be fun

[tulip fog]

alternatively pathfinder with bleeding concoction might work too now that they fixed it to deal bleed damage based on the skill instead of your unarmed damage

unarmed damage it scaled with

compared to skill at lvl 25

[hidden siren]

a lot of my nerfs were cooldown nerfs

[tulip fog]

its basically 5 times the dps

[hidden siren]

i need to check barrage to see how much dmg i lost

[torn forge]

U think lich impending doom will be good

[hidden siren]

Fixed a bug where more poisons than should be active could damage the same target when the poisons had different limits.

[snow cypress]

anyone have idea for amazon ?

[distant glade]

Spear

Lightning

[snow cypress]

ye base, man the fang skill cool asf but sadly RIP freeze build up

[celest blaze]

The total results for my Gemling Legionnaire Ancestral Warrior Molten Blast totems build:

Major Nerfs to Gemling Legionnaire specifically:

• 20% attribute loss on Gemling Legionnaire's best ascendancy
• Additional firewall passthrough damage gutted in half (bigger for gemling due to "ignore skill requirements" component that allowed me to use level 21 Fire Wall easily)
• No longer has +3 skill slots, so hitting 90 max all res will be even more painful

Gemling Buffs

• Gem Studded now in path of travel, potentially allowing me to have an additional totem or two with dual Increased Limit gems
• Spectres might be interesting (could potentially grant shock reliably, even though I'm Avatar of Fire?)
• More available support gems always good for Gemling

General Major Nerfs

• Can no longer use Shield Charge into Blink setup (with a scepter) on Weapon Swap
• Morior Invictus now useless for me
• General hits to +max life and + stats everywhere
• Scattershot Support now has Supported Skills deal 35% less Damage (previously 20%).

Major Buffs:

• Mana cost should theoretically be less balls
• Molten blast now -15% less attack speed rather than -30%
• Ancestral Warrior Totem at max qual now has +1.6s additional base duration
• If can trigger Parry with a buckler, can snapshot 50% more damage for totems

Too Soon to Tell:

• Any adjustments to Ancestral Warrior Totem or MB damage numbers.
• Possible shennanigans with Spear / Buckler on weapon swap for movement to replace blink /scepter setup

Conclusion:
Nerfs: Less damage, less mobility, much less life
Buffs: Hopefully MUCH better mana cost situation, faster attack speed, more totems, longer lasting totems, possible shock / Parry damage situational damage boots

[snow cypress]

maybe spear lightning stacking up heral thunder

[hidden siren]

im either going to rerun deadeye or do bow amazon

[snow cypress]

do you think the ritualist potenial to be high end game farmer build ?

[distant glade]

https://tenor.com/view/poe-path-of-exile-login-play-poe-login-gif-26508840

Titan

[honest storm]

I have no idea what I will run. I was going to do a minion lich, but that seems pretty terrible atm.

[snow cypress]

like only +1 ring slot and 25% more from ring and amulet i dont see any good till now the gain modifier somehow worst

[honest storm]

Spectres might make them better, or new supports, but not so certain yet

[celest blaze]

I might end up going Smith of Memetava

[honest storm]

some kind of java zon might be the play for me

[snow cypress]

they fix bug which give more spirit when we up quality for spectre right ?

[distant glade]

And 90% of everyone else probably lol

[celest blaze]

Amazon Mace Totem Build also might be my play, but it will be super glass cannon by my standards

[keen nexus]

what all bleed inflicting skill gems we have other than that bleeding concoction

[distant glade]

Javazon will 100% be the most played build at the start

[snow cypress]

but at least we know new leauge wont have any stat stacking build

[distant glade]

By far

[hidden siren]

u overestimate how much people find comfort in classes they already know

[snow cypress]

stacking rarity new leauge waste or not ?

[hoary bolt]

you mean underestimate?

[celest blaze]

Amazon is so tempting

If I can have Open Wounds up when I slap down my totems, that 50% more damage is snapshotted in them

[hidden siren]

it could be huntress is top but it wont be skewed

[distant glade]

The builds people know are dead

[celest blaze]

waste, kill faster

live more

[rigid gazelle]

So guys I’m assuming I should completely write off my Hexblast build I theory crafted this week right …..

[hidden siren]

they arent dead they just cant kill a boss in 4 seconds

[celest blaze]

after that, then add some rarity

[snow cypress]

maybe now if play with team just skip rarity culler then

[celest blaze]

i mean if you have a team with dedicated culler, sure

[snow cypress]

this leauige might need more tanky build than just go dmg

[hidden siren]

last time people cried about a nerf and said their build was bricked it was actually fine

[distant glade]

Idk wtf they’re doing to curses though

1.5 second delay why

[rigid gazelle]

The curse changes have me so upset

[clear shuttle]

rarity got really rekt too

[rigid gazelle]

I was going to go Lich with full on curses and Hexblast

Not sure if that’s even worth the time right now

[snow cypress]

400% vs 800% only 3% i mean its insane, the glove unique one neft also

[limber lodge]

I am probably late to the party here, but....

The Integrated Efficiency Ascendancy Passive Skill has swapped positions with Gem-Studded. It no longer provides +3 Skill Slots. Instead, it now causes Skills to gain 20% increased Damage per socketed red Support Gem, Skills gain 6% increased Skill Speed per socketed green Support Gem, and Skills gain 20% increased Critical Hit Chance per socketed blue Support Gem.

This is kinda nuts, running some quick math. 9 6-links is 45 support gems. If all of them are blue (they won't, but just for the sake of demonstration) that'd be 900% increased crit. That'd let you achieve 50% crit with even a skill with dogshit base crit of 5%. 7% base crit 70%, etc.

It lets you get crit cap with eye of winter (which applies critical weakness) with any skill in the entire game

Now of course having a bunch of 6 links is mega end game and expensive, but even with 9 4-links all of which are blue that's 540% increased crit

Eye of winter applying critical weakness adds 5% base crit, so a 7% base crit skill would get to 12%. 12% * 640% = 77% crit. With just 4 links you're near crit cap without a single point invested in the tree or in your weapon

This is INSAAAAAAAAAAAANE

[unreal girder]

Thats what ppl said about xbows

Theres a completely good chance javs end up sucking

[distant glade]

Lol who said that

[unreal girder]

And then ppl wont play that

[hidden siren]

Hexblast can now only detonate Curses for which at least 50% of the duration has expired. This means it can never explode Curses that have an infinite duration. Curse orbs will be visually different when 50% of the Curse duration has expired if you have Hexblast equipped. The Explosion radius of Hexblast has been increased to 2 metres (previously 1.6 metres), and it now has a maximum of 3 Explosions per cast (previously 9).

[celest blaze]

sure but everything dies quick anyway so might as well still have a culler

[rigid gazelle]

And Hexblast can’t detonate curses without a duration which means Blasphemy and Hexblast might be dead since Blasphemy turns curses into an aura which have no duration

[distant glade]

F

[snow cypress]

maybe just in mid leauge then ye culler will fine, but in first 2 week just full dmg

[unreal girder]

Lets not do revisionist history, xbows were giga hyped by ggg, ziggy, havoc and in general on reddit too

[hoary bolt]

i also thouht this, but i think its a per skill basis

[rigid gazelle]

Unless I’m wrong on that someone correct me

[hoary bolt]

so skill with 5 reds = 100% damage for that skill

[celest blaze]

in my experience if there's a party everything is dead

[distant glade]

I was just asking cause I didn’t know lol xbows always looked bad to me

[snow cypress]

anyways first 3 week there wont exist any one shot build tho, maybe XD

[hidden siren]

people will still find broken builds

[limber lodge]

That makes way more sense

😦

[tender needle]

first 3 hours maybe

[unreal girder]

Oh sorry, misread you then

[bright locust]

there will be a broken spectre build

[hidden siren]

lvling is easy

[rigid gazelle]

Yeah if that interaction really doesn’t work anymore then Curses/Hexblast are probably a skip for this league which is a bummer considering some of the Lich Ascendancy nodes seeming like they’d synergize well with curse builds

[snow cypress]

tbh i wont suprise if after first 15 hours random chinese pull out his multip mir tho

[bright locust]

i promise you that lol

[unreal girder]

Whats gonna be the best minion ascendancy now?

[distant glade]

Blasphemy 100% doesn’t work anymore , sorry 😦

[snow cypress]

lich ?

[bright locust]

no idea

[rigid gazelle]

…damn I’m cooked, time to think of a new build lmao

[bright locust]

Lich or Ritualist prob

[celest blaze]

you can have 13+ skill slots pretty easily with granted skills. There's no way that they are giving you, uh, 13x5x6 = 400% ish increased skills speed potentially for an ascendancy lol

[snow cypress]

lich going mana stacking ri8ght ?

[unreal girder]

Kinda curious about kitava minions

But mana stacking got clobbered

[limber lodge]

the 50% duration thing on hexblast was fucking shocking to see. I could see them removing the blasphemy interaction, but they went so much further than that. Now it's not just a 2-button combo, it's an onerous 2 button combo. Like, who the fuck is going to do that? It just doesn't sound fun.

Just make it a regular 2 button combo and remove the nonsense 50% duration crap

Edit: and nerf the damage even more to compensate for all I care, I mean shit

[bright locust]

maybe tactician would be good for minions

[unreal girder]

Eh

Not a fan of tactician frankly

[distant glade]

But then you still have a 1.5 second delay on the curse. Its just bad all around

[unreal girder]

Dw theyll buff its dmg by 5000% to compensate

[snow cypress]

huh ? i thought the nearby ally in tatican doesnt work like what we used to know ?

wait sec let me find the interview

[bright locust]

nah the banner part

[limber lodge]

i'd use it 100% if they did this, because it would inf act be fun seeing huge chunks

[tulip fog]

the arrow rain thing from tactician is not affected by nearby allies buffs or allies in presence buffs

[rigid gazelle]

Honestly me too but that’s prob cause I’m just sad they murdered my plan for this league 😂

[snow cypress]

next day we can download the update throught torrent right ?

[tulip fog]

people who have played with the concoction skills before, is there any way to increase the clear of the skills? is it worth getting scattershot?

[rigid gazelle]

I’m curious on bleed builds are going to be with herald of blood and that new support that makes bleed explode as well

[distant glade]

Pretty sure heralds carried the clear

[rigid gazelle]

Seems like they’ll be nasty this league

[bright locust]

also this

[limber lodge]

blacksmith kitava slams lookin' mighty fine ngl

[snow cypress]

this have potenial to be aura bot ?>

[bright locust]

100%

[unreal girder]

I like how it has anti synergy with its own ascendancy

[bright locust]

yup lol GGG move right there

[snow cypress]

idk in first leauge i can say the only thing make concoction clear speed increased is projectile speed on quiver but tragedy that now concoction will only work with shield only in new leauge

scatter in new patch wont worth any more inscreased dmg reduction to projectile

25% to 35% id remember

or some people cooking make scatter still going crazy but

seeing bleed and poison concotion will fly high but not the other concotion, bleed kinda potenial and the deft asen node in pathfinder is good if u stacking it right way, might find a way to fix concotion skill speed in new patch if u still wanna play it then

[hidden siren]

nerfs looks to just turn one shot bosses into 3 shot bosses

[snow cypress]

100 sp gem and 100 unique might help

[tulip fog]

im thinking of leaguestarting either pathfinder bleed concoction or blood mage with bone blast

[snow cypress]

or just throw that bottle to trash can picking up spear and hola "AMAZON"

[bright locust]

i wonder if Beast Companion works on essence mobs

[royal fiber]

How often do builds use the dual specialization mechanic?

[hidden siren]

idk i feel like a lot of the build guide makers think spear looks clunky(?)

huntress class itself looks good

spears cant pierce or fork

[bright locust]

Spear throw is a projectile so it certainly can lol

[hidden siren]

it literally says it cant

[split heart]

Any though about Lich using Spark ( using new gems that cost energy shield or life ) ?

[snow cypress]

mainly focus on combo asen and passive node, the lightning spear have potenial to being clearing skill but i dont see any bossing skill for spear tho

[hidden siren]

oh wait thats lightning

the reg ones prob can

[bright locust]

Spark is DoA

[distant glade]

Would temper weapon get the splash from a cultist hammer?

[hidden siren]

but like fire looks meh and edplosives have a really long delay

[bright locust]

reduced duration

it will work like EA

[fleet crystal]

for the sorc enjoyers, what leveling build you will go for tomorrow?

[snow cypress]

just gitgud dodging fri

=)))

[split heart]

Well i mean if it doesn't cost anything ... What skill would u use instead of Spark though ?

[bright locust]

i mean the only other Proj spells that will get close is prob Eye of winter or fireball

[snow cypress]

hey do u guys think ritualist charm stacking will good ?

[celest blaze]

10 extra passive points is no joke

[hidden siren]

charms suck

[celest blaze]

would love to be wrong, but looks super not great

maybe after charms are theoretically overhauled in a future patch

Not sure what the point is now though really, unless the ele ailments and stuns are much more devastating in next patch (which is honestly very possible)

[snow cypress]

maybe ill looking for new unique that do sth to charm tho, combo charm stacking it damn if it work these ritualist will going insane

[bright locust]

BUT that extra ring tho

[snow cypress]

its wont make any sense if ur ring suck tho, maybe ritualist aim for mid leauge insteased leauge start

omen will price down due to the omen buff ?

[bright locust]

should they yes will they maybe

[celest blaze]

yeah extra ring and a mini Ingenuity effect for 3 rings AND ammy is quite good.

Ritualist goes all the way left first. Wildwood persisitence is interesting. Don't know much about the two skills. The first two Charm nodes are a "maybe" if the skills don't do anything for you, but only mostly through lack of better options. Same with going all the way to the end for Charms, it'sm ostly an "only if you have nothing better to do" sort of a thing and in some cases you'd just rather have the mana than a charm going.

[hidden siren]

no

ingen doesnt work on 3rd ring

[bright locust]

he is talking about the 4 point node

[snow cypress]

20-30% roll for each side

RIP

XD

[bright locust]

not the belt

[celest blaze]

not literally ingen, read again. it's a description of what the node does, I'm not even talking about using ingenuity at all

[celest blaze]

the ascendancy provides "a mini Ingenuity effect" which does affect all three rings.

and the amulet

[snow cypress]

rarity stacking ?

ah man rip morior modifier

[bright locust]

also was nerfed XD

[snow cypress]

ye

[celest blaze]

I think we'll all have much bigger problems than worrying about rarity for a bit lol

the biggest nerf to it is just that we need other mods more desperately now also

[snow cypress]

like poe1 where people focus on dmg and deft instead of rarity like poe2

[distant glade]

Does the splash from cultist hammers work with temper weapon?

[bright locust]

we dont know requires testing

[celest blaze]

I swear I saw an Ascendancy somewhere that said "ignore all ele res in your presence" but I can find it for the life of me. Anyone have an idea? It might not have been a new one

[bright locust]

your thinking of the New Herald chest unique

[snow cypress]

there isn't explicit confirmation about the interaction between Cultist Hammers' splash effect and Temper Weapon. However, theoretically, if the splash mechanic is tied to the weapon's inherent properties or modifiers, it could synergize with Temper Weapon, which enhances weapon damage and effects. maybe

[celest blaze]

thanks felt like i was losing my mind

[bright locust]

o7

[snow cypress]

that chest unique make me so exciting XD triple heral

no require for spirit right ?

[bright locust]

correct built into the chest

[snow cypress]

double heral now no longer trigger each other so sad, i was thinking that they will neft dmg hell nah they Rip the mech chain of it

rip monk build

do you guys think they will add another specific no hit run reward ? the tempo now useless lets say

[mighty wing]

its actually not that big of a nerf

like it sucks but monk got the lighter part of the nerfhammer

[snow cypress]

The 0.2.0 patch might have changed the way Spirit, Herald, and evasion-focused nodes work. If you're relying on the starter node as your base for damage, it might feel weaker now because the developers likely reduced its power. It seems they're encouraging players to try different playstyles or builds instead of sticking with old ones.

which is traditional of GGG

too common build class ? go to void

[mighty wing]

pretty much

but monk luckily is quite versatile class

[meager tulip]

Tactician minion or smith spear?

[celest blaze]

yes temporalis useless now, pls gib

[snow cypress]

bruh theyre gonna crush me now bcs i said tempo useless

[fickle orbit]

Trying to get a Kitava shockxbow working, not entirely sure what im doing.

Any thoughts on this idea, just to see if the core of it is viable / how to improve it?

https://pobb.in/X8RjhksRphvT

[meager tulip]

Wait another penguin

Oui

[snow cypress]

wtf

[celest blaze]

wat

[meager tulip]

Im fatter

[snow cypress]

im son

[mighty wing]

WAIT ! what

[snow cypress]

u that guy my mother talk abt ?

u little piece of work 😦

[meager tulip]

Hai ^-^

[snow cypress]

dad, where my milk ?

[meager tulip]

I ate

Ok back to build planning son

Now tell me about this smith of kitava

[fickle orbit]

I did. Just before you moved it out of the visible chat with your penguins :p

[meager tulip]

🐧🐧🐧🐧🐧

[snow cypress]

idk dad i dont like warrior since playing this GGG games lauch tho

[mighty wing]

prolly gona go ballista tactician first unless i just fold at the last minute to go spear smith

[fickle orbit]

but the general principle is:

1. Use galvanic to shock/clear
2. Use shockburst to deal actual dmg
3. 90% all res, and some armor
4. Not crit

[meager tulip]

At this point, gonna spin a wheel and let it rip

[snow cypress]

im the dragon penguiin which make my emotion always lead to speed

[fickle orbit]

i dont have too much experience making poe 2 builds so not sure if im even cooking in the right direction

hence why asking here for advice

[snow cypress]

and the warrior in first lauch make me dissappoint

[meager tulip]

Is smith worth picking just for defensives

[fickle orbit]

It seems to be. Very easy 90% all res is... kinda nice.