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sharp glade Apr 2, 2025, 8:55 PM

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just use ur 🧠

north raven Apr 2, 2025, 8:55 PM

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alright get em out of a bunch

dawn spire Apr 2, 2025, 8:55 PM

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eh, at least they're all new so you don't have to scrutinize any changes from old ones. I'm fine with sitting down with a hot mug of ginger ale and reading them leisurely before I make my build

north raven Apr 2, 2025, 8:55 PM

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you dont KNOW anything its speculation

wild stirrup Apr 2, 2025, 8:55 PM

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I mean how would it possibly work otherwise- you just can’t cast spells?

sharp glade Apr 2, 2025, 8:55 PM

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north raven you dont KNOW anything its speculation

ok Mr. Solipsism

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reality is not real

limber lodge Apr 2, 2025, 8:55 PM

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wild stirrup I mean how would it possibly work otherwise- you just can’t cast spells?

yep

north raven Apr 2, 2025, 8:55 PM

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you can guess based off past decisions but you dont know for sure until they say so

wild stirrup Apr 2, 2025, 8:55 PM

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It would be very funny if it just stopped you from doing anything

jaunty mulch Apr 2, 2025, 8:56 PM

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dawn spire eh, at least they're all new so you don't have to scrutinize any changes from ol...

true i guess, i just hate sitting around reading forever when ima forget half anyway id rather have smthn to glance at before hand to get an idea of what gems im using

north raven Apr 2, 2025, 8:56 PM

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if you actually watched the tavern talk it seemed like john and mark had no idea how it meshed with other life nodes. go back and watch it

dawn spire Apr 2, 2025, 8:56 PM

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sharp glade ok Mr. Solipsism

https://tenor.com/view/captain-america-i-understood-that-reference-look-back-gif-14556485

Tenor

celest blaze Apr 2, 2025, 8:57 PM

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Do we know if a "Buckler" is a "shield"?

I'm almost certain that Shield Charge won't work with it, but if it does, that'd be sweet.

north raven Apr 2, 2025, 8:57 PM

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they might have a slight idea but they say numerous times that they see it then people run with the ideas and they dont over see every single change so its possible they dont know exactly

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so it wouldnt be fair to assume anything

limber lodge Apr 2, 2025, 8:57 PM

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celest blaze Do we know if a "Buckler" is a "shield"? I'm almost certain that Shield Charge ...

bucklers are different base types from shields

celest blaze Apr 2, 2025, 8:58 PM

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limber lodge bucklers are different base types from shields

yeah I figured they pretty much had to be

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thanks though

sharp glade Apr 2, 2025, 8:58 PM

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limber lodge bucklers are different base types from shields

wHeRe DiD tHeY coNfRim tHat

dawn spire Apr 2, 2025, 8:58 PM

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celest blaze Do we know if a "Buckler" is a "shield"? I'm almost certain that Shield Charge ...

I'm not optimistic about them being shields

north raven Apr 2, 2025, 8:59 PM

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sharp glade wHeRe DiD tHeY coNfRim tHat

literally yesterday in the filter notes

marsh token Apr 2, 2025, 8:59 PM

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is it possible to scale fiire and bleed dmg at the same time? im thinking of a herald of blood and fire build

wild stirrup Apr 2, 2025, 8:59 PM

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Does zealots path mean you’re constantly recovering energy shield if you have full health?

dawn spire Apr 2, 2025, 8:59 PM

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marsh token is it possible to scale fiire and bleed dmg at the same time? im thinking of a h...

blood witch has a node that makes elemental damage also contribute to bleed magnitude. So you can make your fire damage inflict bleed

north raven Apr 2, 2025, 8:59 PM

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new item class

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completely

wild stirrup Apr 2, 2025, 8:59 PM

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Or wait

static plinth Apr 2, 2025, 8:59 PM

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Do we have the text for the gem that turns Bleeds into a single crystal explosion?

limber lodge Apr 2, 2025, 9:00 PM

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sharp glade wHeRe DiD tHeY coNfRim tHat

do i need to respond to this or can you read

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kekw

dawn spire Apr 2, 2025, 9:00 PM

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marsh token is it possible to scale fiire and bleed dmg at the same time? im thinking of a h...

celest blaze Apr 2, 2025, 9:00 PM

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north raven new item class

Perhaps. You can still block with it though

sharp glade Apr 2, 2025, 9:00 PM

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bleed, like all ailments sucks balls

static plinth Apr 2, 2025, 9:00 PM

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dawn spire I'm not optimistic about them being shields

Im assumimg Bucklers are as much shields as Focii are. Seems theyve taken the single stat shields from 1 and made them all their own item class with their own skills

north raven Apr 2, 2025, 9:01 PM

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celest blaze Perhaps. You can still block with it though

you dont block you parry

sharp glade Apr 2, 2025, 9:01 PM

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are focii shields

north raven Apr 2, 2025, 9:01 PM

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they come with parry as an ability not block

static plinth Apr 2, 2025, 9:01 PM

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north raven you dont block you parry

It does have a real block chance

sharp glade Apr 2, 2025, 9:01 PM

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are focii shields

static plinth Apr 2, 2025, 9:01 PM

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Parry also probably counts as a form of active blocking

static plinth Apr 2, 2025, 9:01 PM

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sharp glade are focii shields

No

north raven Apr 2, 2025, 9:02 PM

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static plinth Parry also probably counts as a form of active blocking

yeah if they do have a block change you are probably right

dawn spire Apr 2, 2025, 9:02 PM

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static plinth Im assumimg Bucklers are as much shields as Focii are. Seems theyve taken the si...

yeah, seems like it. I'm betting armor/evasion = targe, and armor/ES = ...kite shield?

north raven Apr 2, 2025, 9:02 PM

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but who knows

static plinth Apr 2, 2025, 9:02 PM

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dawn spire yeah, seems like it. I'm betting armor/evasion = targe, and armor/ES = ...kite s...

We have strint ones in game

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They are kite shields

north raven Apr 2, 2025, 9:02 PM

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gotta wait for notes for any solid info

static plinth Apr 2, 2025, 9:02 PM

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Idk if we have evar ones

static plinth Apr 2, 2025, 9:03 PM

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marsh token is it possible to scale fiire and bleed dmg at the same time? im thinking of a h...

New unique spear can aggravate Ignites too

dawn spire Apr 2, 2025, 9:03 PM

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according to pob we have pure evasion shield. maybe?

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static plinth Apr 2, 2025, 9:03 PM

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So you scale a fire damage spear skill and go Blood Mage with that unique spear

north raven Apr 2, 2025, 9:03 PM

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dawn spire

ooooo thats neat

dawn spire Apr 2, 2025, 9:03 PM

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but this is just a random rare from pob. idk if it's legit

wild stirrup Apr 2, 2025, 9:04 PM

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Any guesses on if you had 1 energy shield, if taking a big hit + eternal life would negate the health loss?

static plinth Apr 2, 2025, 9:04 PM

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static plinth Do we have the text for the gem that turns Bleeds into a single crystal explosio...

?

static plinth Apr 2, 2025, 9:04 PM

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wild stirrup Any guesses on if you had 1 energy shield, if taking a big hit + eternal life wo...

Damage 100% overflows

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There's no reality where they let that slip by

dawn spire Apr 2, 2025, 9:04 PM

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wild stirrup Any guesses on if you had 1 energy shield, if taking a big hit + eternal life wo...

I think they said it overflows

north raven Apr 2, 2025, 9:04 PM

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static plinth ?

talking about the haemo whatever crystal support

static plinth Apr 2, 2025, 9:04 PM

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Otherwise any es recoup or regen is immortality

static plinth Apr 2, 2025, 9:04 PM

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north raven talking about the haemo whatever crystal support

Yeah that one

wild stirrup Apr 2, 2025, 9:04 PM

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Gotcha

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Trying to look for ways to make use of eternal life- like what else causes ES bypass?

north raven Apr 2, 2025, 9:05 PM

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where twaggg tho....

cobalt pollen Apr 2, 2025, 9:06 PM

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bleed seems to have been reworked

static plinth Apr 2, 2025, 9:06 PM

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wild stirrup Trying to look for ways to make use of eternal life- like what else causes ES by...

Atziri's Disdain

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And the Lich node preceeding eternal life

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Tho Disdain might get nerfed/changed

cobalt pollen Apr 2, 2025, 9:07 PM

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cobalt pollen bleed seems to have been reworked

north raven Apr 2, 2025, 9:08 PM

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cobalt pollen

indeed

junior slate Apr 2, 2025, 9:08 PM

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will spears be considered two handed weapons?

cobalt pollen Apr 2, 2025, 9:08 PM

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1 handed

junior slate Apr 2, 2025, 9:08 PM

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hmm

north raven Apr 2, 2025, 9:08 PM

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spears are one hand since you can use an offhand thing

static plinth Apr 2, 2025, 9:08 PM

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cobalt pollen

Isnt that the Amazon weakness thing?

junior slate Apr 2, 2025, 9:08 PM

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i hope you can dual wield spears

static plinth Apr 2, 2025, 9:08 PM

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junior slate will spears be considered two handed weapons?

1-handed but no dual-wielding

wild stirrup Apr 2, 2025, 9:08 PM

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static plinth Atziri's Disdain

Ah so might be more dependent on gear than other nodes?

junior slate Apr 2, 2025, 9:09 PM

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static plinth 1-handed but no dual-wielding

thats so sad

static plinth Apr 2, 2025, 9:09 PM

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wild stirrup Ah so might be more dependent on gear than other nodes?

Yeah, but even in a vacuum its decent

north raven Apr 2, 2025, 9:09 PM

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junior slate i hope you can dual wield spears

machine gun throwing spears at my enemies

static plinth Apr 2, 2025, 9:09 PM

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junior slate thats so sad

RIGHT?

junior slate Apr 2, 2025, 9:09 PM

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yes

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thats literally the first thing i thought

north raven Apr 2, 2025, 9:09 PM

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https://tenor.com/view/finger-guns-michael-scott-steve-carell-the-office-pew-gif-14552925

Tenor

junior slate Apr 2, 2025, 9:09 PM

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lightining spears in both hands

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omg

cobalt pollen Apr 2, 2025, 9:09 PM

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the amazon ascendancy thing has marks on the hp

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when you reach that slice of marked hp you get the dmg multi

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this looks different

north raven Apr 2, 2025, 9:10 PM

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cobalt pollen when you reach that slice of marked hp you get the dmg multi

wonder if you can overflow and chunk tf out of em

marsh token Apr 2, 2025, 9:11 PM

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would the unique effect be work the lower stats that u lose from a max level spear?

wild stirrup Apr 2, 2025, 9:11 PM

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static plinth Yeah, but even in a vacuum its decent

It’s been a bit since I played, one of the dot effects enemies can apply bypasses ES right? So you’re semi-immune to that as well?

north raven Apr 2, 2025, 9:12 PM

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what does it mean to aggravate an ignite? just burn more? more burn damage?

ember parrot Apr 2, 2025, 9:12 PM

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marsh token would the unique effect be work the lower stats that u lose from a max level spe...

Hmmm... would depend on how mamy Ignite Effects you can proc on the spear.

north raven Apr 2, 2025, 9:12 PM

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like bleed aggravation but ignite instead?

marsh token Apr 2, 2025, 9:12 PM

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junior slate lightining spears in both hands

straight up zeus build, missed opportunity

north raven Apr 2, 2025, 9:12 PM

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smh

ember parrot Apr 2, 2025, 9:12 PM

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north raven like bleed aggravation but ignite instead?

Pretty much this.

north raven Apr 2, 2025, 9:13 PM

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gonna pull up like

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that would be really cool dual weilding spears

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dang

marsh token Apr 2, 2025, 9:13 PM

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could u use a mace in the offhand?

ember parrot Apr 2, 2025, 9:13 PM

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Could still dual-wield Mjölner.

north raven Apr 2, 2025, 9:14 PM

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i need cimex to get it together and deliver the patch notes already smh

hidden siren Apr 2, 2025, 9:15 PM

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my scare is that gear prices will rise faster this time

north raven Apr 2, 2025, 9:15 PM

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hidden siren my scare is that gear prices will rise faster this time

why

hidden siren Apr 2, 2025, 9:15 PM

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people have an idea of what things are worth now

wild stirrup Apr 2, 2025, 9:15 PM

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Does zealots path pair well with anything in particular? Not sure how you justify it

north raven Apr 2, 2025, 9:16 PM

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hidden siren people have an idea of what things are worth now

well no one is gonna have a mirror item right off rip of season so i think you might be overthinking it a bit. prices will raise sure but i dont think itll be any different than usual

hidden siren Apr 2, 2025, 9:16 PM

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nah i meant more for base chance stuff

north raven Apr 2, 2025, 9:17 PM

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if they really changed up the balance of EVERYTHING we really have no idea what to chase anymore

hidden siren Apr 2, 2025, 9:17 PM

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altho

north raven Apr 2, 2025, 9:17 PM

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like sure maybe +skills, movement, and like resist but i think thats a given

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im excited to see the shake up of the meta forreal though

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then with Magic find being nerfed i think the market will be more stable over the span of the whole league compared to .1.0

hidden siren Apr 2, 2025, 9:20 PM

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eh depends

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how they nerf it

north raven Apr 2, 2025, 9:20 PM

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well they say not to expect anything you know to be the same so idk we will just have to see just how different it is

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patch notes will really clear up what we should be expecting i feel

hidden siren Apr 2, 2025, 9:21 PM

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are they nerfing the top end of mf so that stacking more is less effective

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or are they doing an overall pass

north raven Apr 2, 2025, 9:21 PM

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yeah

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they are basically making magic find have a steeper falloff for deminishing returns

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then changing some of the rarity gear

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like the shield

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for sure

cobalt pollen Apr 2, 2025, 9:31 PM

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herald of blood was related to the bleed I saw

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portion tracked on the enemies hp will be dealt on death

wild stirrup Apr 2, 2025, 9:33 PM

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There’s not usually a good way to hunt for a specific unique, right? You just get lucky or Econ enough to buy one?

north raven Apr 2, 2025, 9:33 PM

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wild stirrup There’s not usually a good way to hunt for a specific unique, right? You just ge...

unless its a specific boss drop yeah

wild stirrup Apr 2, 2025, 9:43 PM

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Cast on X doesn’t really have an inherent benefit right, it’s just you have ways to interact with triggered skills to buff them?

cobalt pollen Apr 2, 2025, 9:45 PM

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herald of blood is not impressing me

north raven Apr 2, 2025, 9:46 PM

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cobalt pollen herald of blood is not impressing me

do we even have a picture for it?

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how you disappointed already

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tf?

cobalt pollen Apr 2, 2025, 9:46 PM

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north raven Apr 2, 2025, 9:46 PM

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cobalt pollen

well it is level 4

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gotta see how it scales

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wait

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i see it now

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thats ass

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whats the point of damage over time if you cant scale it

cobalt pollen Apr 2, 2025, 9:48 PM

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its not that

north raven Apr 2, 2025, 9:48 PM

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or is it saying just the explosion not bleed itself

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i feel dumb now

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what is it that you dont like about it?

cobalt pollen Apr 2, 2025, 9:49 PM

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a portion of the blood loss means you need to scale ailment speed

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if things die too fast then herald of blood isn't going to do anything

north raven Apr 2, 2025, 9:50 PM

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ohhh

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i see

dusty horizon Apr 2, 2025, 9:59 PM

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If I have a poison cloud and use explosive conc, does it blow up the cloud before dealing the fire explosive damage of conc?

cobalt pollen Apr 2, 2025, 9:59 PM

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at least the bleed needs to be giga

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ideek

wild stirrup Apr 2, 2025, 10:00 PM

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You need some sort of benefit to using triggered spells to actually benefit from them right?

sterile latch Apr 2, 2025, 10:01 PM

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I have one question about recoup: if you take a 2k hit, 1k damage on your ES, 1k damage on your life... the recoup life basis will be 2k or 1k plz ?

uneven osprey Apr 2, 2025, 10:10 PM

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cobalt pollen

my bleed build is coming back woooo

sonic parrot Apr 2, 2025, 10:10 PM

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Is Haemocrystal + herald of blood kind of an anti combo?

ornate bone Apr 2, 2025, 10:11 PM

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Modifier to fire res, does not mean all elemental resist? Like SoK ascendancy 10 elemental resist does give 10 fire res, but also only 10 cold abd lightn, not 10+5?

alpine summit Apr 2, 2025, 10:13 PM

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sonic parrot Is Haemocrystal + herald of blood kind of an anti combo?

my brain is hurting trynna understand that interaction

sonic parrot Apr 2, 2025, 10:14 PM

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alpine summit my brain is hurting trynna understand that interaction

I think Haemocrystal takes away the current blood loss, but in ziggys vid he says that the mob explodes if there was a blood loss at some point of the life of the mob so maybe it "remembers" the blood loss in the past

cobalt pollen Apr 2, 2025, 10:15 PM

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it might remember the blood loss while giving haemo value

sonic parrot Apr 2, 2025, 10:15 PM

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that would make the combo really strong

cobalt pollen Apr 2, 2025, 10:15 PM

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it says specifically they don't have to be bleeding

marsh token Apr 2, 2025, 10:20 PM

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ggg edging us so fucking hard rn

hidden siren Apr 2, 2025, 10:23 PM

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wdym edgin they have to write the notes up and proofread it

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theres a lot of changes and last minute things

neat bison Apr 2, 2025, 10:24 PM

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It’s still early in NZ, probably won’t come out until near the end of their work day

marsh token Apr 2, 2025, 10:24 PM

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how long do they work for

hidden siren Apr 2, 2025, 10:25 PM

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itll prob go up around the same time preloads start

neat bison Apr 2, 2025, 10:25 PM

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Not sure but it’s only noon over there rn

limber lodge Apr 2, 2025, 10:34 PM

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I've got a good feeling it's coming at 3 pm NZ / 10 EST

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The source of that feeling?

Wishful thinking

north raven Apr 2, 2025, 10:45 PM

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neat bison It’s still early in NZ, probably won’t come out until near the end of their work...

we still have a solid 4 hours

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maybe a bit longer

mint meadow Apr 2, 2025, 11:10 PM

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cobalt pollen

you edging chat keep going

loud geyser Apr 2, 2025, 11:30 PM

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Alright I'm gonna time travel (nap) and wake up to the patch notes for sure

crimson wasp Apr 2, 2025, 11:35 PM

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any endgame flury invoker to dm me quick?

oblique sluice Apr 2, 2025, 11:44 PM

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Hello. If I have 2 sources of Chaotic Freeze, does it double the freeze build up?

limber lodge Apr 2, 2025, 11:44 PM

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how are you getting 2 sources of chaotic freeze?

honest hollow Apr 2, 2025, 11:44 PM

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crimson wasp any endgame flury invoker to dm me quick?

thats what i played for 0.1

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Peepo_Wave

marsh token Apr 2, 2025, 11:49 PM

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would something like this work on the evasion rating u have after all the modifiers?

limber lodge Apr 2, 2025, 11:49 PM

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I don';t understand the question

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evasion rating on an armor piece is local, if that's what you're asking. It is calculated only on the base evasion rating on the item. So 256 in this case

marsh token Apr 2, 2025, 11:50 PM

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like would ur move speed increse with wind dancer

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1% move per 500 evasion rating

limber lodge Apr 2, 2025, 11:51 PM

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I am not sure about that specific interaction but I would guess no because Wind Dancer says "Evasion" and not "Evasion Rating". I could absolutely be wrong though

marsh token Apr 2, 2025, 11:52 PM

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yea like my monk has 20,000 Evasion rating so that would give me like 40% move speed on that lol

limber lodge Apr 2, 2025, 11:53 PM

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I know Empyrian did a meme speed character this league, go check his video to see if he uses wind dancer

hoary bolt Apr 3, 2025, 12:25 AM

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of course he does

vague kelp Apr 3, 2025, 12:27 AM

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we're so back pathfinders

viscid jay Apr 3, 2025, 12:34 AM

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Any armour buffs

autumn hawk Apr 3, 2025, 12:45 AM

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Setting a stat to a specific value (such as Chaos Inoculation setting your life to 1 or Blood Magic setting your mana to 0) now occurs before conversion is applied to that stat, rather than being ignored by conversion.

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so this means that when u ran CI and that item that gave u ES based on life, u wont es anymore right

bright locust Apr 3, 2025, 12:53 AM

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there is no many spark nerfs XD

wise sequoia Apr 3, 2025, 12:55 AM

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rip stat stackin

north raven Apr 3, 2025, 1:00 AM

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has anyone found a single buff? i just see non stop nerfs.

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every class got dicked

loud geyser Apr 3, 2025, 1:04 AM

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https://tenor.com/view/nerf-nerf-or-nothing-de-pomp-almkerk-almkerk-de-pomp-gif-23162781

Tenor

cobalt pollen Apr 3, 2025, 1:06 AM

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new bleed keystone

loud geyser Apr 3, 2025, 1:07 AM

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Thorns got a buff bork

cobalt pollen Apr 3, 2025, 1:07 AM

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all bleed is aggravated but bleeds last 1 sec

loud geyser Apr 3, 2025, 1:07 AM

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Gotta pump as much as damage as we can in that one second

cobalt pollen Apr 3, 2025, 1:09 AM

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they shot jewel slots to death

small slate Apr 3, 2025, 1:10 AM

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north raven has anyone found a single buff? i just see non stop nerfs.

Chayula got buffed....sort of

hoary bolt Apr 3, 2025, 1:12 AM

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we havent seen any of the actual damage numbers on skills

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which all got touched as well

north raven Apr 3, 2025, 1:14 AM

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ngl

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i expected nerfs

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but im actually getting sad reading this

rich raft Apr 3, 2025, 1:15 AM

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small slate Chayula got buffed....sort of

not really

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and where it did, it was not by much

pearl sluice Apr 3, 2025, 1:16 AM

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north raven every class got dicked

Merc got some help

north raven Apr 3, 2025, 1:16 AM

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well the only thing chayula was good for was last flame runs but now you no longer get absorbed damage so

bright locust Apr 3, 2025, 1:16 AM

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Spark got battered XD

rich raft Apr 3, 2025, 1:17 AM

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hexblast got nerfed to the centre of the earth

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as a build

north raven Apr 3, 2025, 1:17 AM

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yeah this season is gonna be rough trying to find a new meta

bright locust Apr 3, 2025, 1:17 AM

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not really bleed is gonna be strong along with Minions

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there WILL be a broken spectre

north raven Apr 3, 2025, 1:18 AM

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im not even trying to be a doomer its just there are so many negative changes its hard for me to see any slight buffs

pearl sluice Apr 3, 2025, 1:18 AM

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I think witchhunter will be less dogshit now

static plinth Apr 3, 2025, 1:18 AM

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Well EDC is mostly unchanged and now has a legitimately good ascendancy option

bright locust Apr 3, 2025, 1:18 AM

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Warbringer also got buffs

runic tinsel Apr 3, 2025, 1:19 AM

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rip my beloved corpsewade 😦

north raven Apr 3, 2025, 1:19 AM

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pconc with herald of agony got sent to the void.

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so now idk what to start as

runic tinsel Apr 3, 2025, 1:19 AM

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yeah they neutered pathfinder man its so sad

north raven Apr 3, 2025, 1:19 AM

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absolutely destroyed it

bright locust Apr 3, 2025, 1:20 AM

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Bleed Conc got an 100% mag buff lol

viral rover Apr 3, 2025, 1:20 AM

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omg everythings dead af

north raven Apr 3, 2025, 1:20 AM

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i have somewhere over 600 hours in this game and all of it was on pathfinder. so now im fucked cause i dont know anything else

bright locust Apr 3, 2025, 1:20 AM

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they have been warning us of this in every interview XD

runic tinsel Apr 3, 2025, 1:20 AM

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i wanted to run corpsewade pathfinder as my league starter again but its so over for that build, it got hit with like 5 different nerfs, cast on minion death, curse nerfs, corpsewade nerfs

viral rover Apr 3, 2025, 1:20 AM

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well new soft launch with no knowledge i suppose lol

north raven Apr 3, 2025, 1:20 AM

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bright locust they have been warning us of this in every interview XD

i know and im not mad at them its just like holy shit dude they didnt leave anything

bright locust Apr 3, 2025, 1:21 AM

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north raven i know and im not mad at them its just like holy shit dude they didnt leave anyt...

my starter was barley touched the oaksworn nerf hurts a bit

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losing 50 spirit is rough

runic tinsel Apr 3, 2025, 1:22 AM

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i think instead my new league starter might be some escape shot freeze shenanigans with that buff

north raven Apr 3, 2025, 1:22 AM

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even campaign uniques like ghostwrithe and everlasting got fucked off

runic tinsel Apr 3, 2025, 1:22 AM

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yoooo falling thunder might be nuts with its buff

bright locust Apr 3, 2025, 1:23 AM

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im gonna go either Bleed or minion

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im gonna coin flip tomorrow to see

rich raft Apr 3, 2025, 1:23 AM

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bleed wont work on monsters until you remove their ES though?

north raven Apr 3, 2025, 1:24 AM

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idk why they even bother with the gravebinds cause morior and that mauh shield got sent into orbit and nuked. so theres really no point in rarity builds anymore

atomic halo Apr 3, 2025, 1:24 AM

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just using gravebind for rarity is boring

static plinth Apr 3, 2025, 1:24 AM

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Gravebind wasnt changed though

bright locust Apr 3, 2025, 1:24 AM

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rich raft bleed wont work on monsters until you remove their ES though?

not if you use haemocrystals

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turns the bleeds into frontloaded dmg

rich raft Apr 3, 2025, 1:25 AM

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yeah was just reading it

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cheers

north raven Apr 3, 2025, 1:26 AM

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so far to me... idk how to feel. like sure some of this stuff needed adjusting but they didnt leave anything alive so its gonna be rough to relearn the entire game basically.

rich raft Apr 3, 2025, 1:26 AM

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yeah instead of just nerfing the OP builds they nerfed pretty much everything

north raven Apr 3, 2025, 1:26 AM

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rich raft yeah instead of just nerfing the OP builds they nerfed pretty much everything

everyfucking thing

rich raft Apr 3, 2025, 1:27 AM

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maybe its just temporary to make more people play huntress

runic tinsel Apr 3, 2025, 1:27 AM

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capping gas clouds to 6 is a nuts nerf to poison builds

north raven Apr 3, 2025, 1:27 AM

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decimated

static plinth Apr 3, 2025, 1:27 AM

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north raven decimated

Everlasting Sacrifice though

north raven Apr 3, 2025, 1:27 AM

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idk what that is but i doubt it will make up for the unique

bright locust Apr 3, 2025, 1:28 AM

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you guys have to keep in mind we are getting 100+ supports who knows what they do

limber lodge Apr 3, 2025, 1:28 AM

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I'm mega pumped. I think that while we're weaker, the overall gameplay progression will feel much better, especially with the waystone drop changes (you don't get waystone tier drops lower than the one you're currently running)

atomic halo Apr 3, 2025, 1:28 AM

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everlasting sacrifice is in poe1, search it up on poewiki

loud geyser Apr 3, 2025, 1:28 AM

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100+ uniques as well

atomic halo Apr 3, 2025, 1:28 AM

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When you reach full Energy Shield, Sacrifice all Energy Shield to gain +5% to all Maximum Resistances for 4 seconds

loud geyser Apr 3, 2025, 1:28 AM

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While most uniques are dog water, might be a few build enabling ones

rich raft Apr 3, 2025, 1:29 AM

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12 jewel sockets gone gonna be big for some builds

north raven Apr 3, 2025, 1:29 AM

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what does this mean

atomic halo Apr 3, 2025, 1:29 AM

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loud geyser While most uniques are dog water, might be a few build enabling ones

they said they would make a focus on endgame uniques this time

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instead of all leveling

static plinth Apr 3, 2025, 1:29 AM

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north raven what does this mean

No ES from Ghostwrithe

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And similar

north raven Apr 3, 2025, 1:30 AM

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static plinth No ES from Ghostwrithe

oh so they nerfed the thing that made ghostwrithe useful then fucked off ghostwrithe

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that makes no sense

static plinth Apr 3, 2025, 1:30 AM

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Ghostwrithe isnt bad without CI lmfao

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I mean it is cuz of how hard they nerfed it

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But at 50% its still REALLY good

north raven Apr 3, 2025, 1:31 AM

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its 25% now

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not 50

atomic halo Apr 3, 2025, 1:31 AM

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north raven oh so they nerfed the thing that made ghostwrithe useful then fucked off ghostwr...

this change just makes sense

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it was really weird the way it worked before

gray sundial Apr 3, 2025, 1:31 AM

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bleeding concoction blood mage?

atomic halo Apr 3, 2025, 1:31 AM

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is bleeding concoction not exclusive to pf?

static plinth Apr 3, 2025, 1:31 AM

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^

bright locust Apr 3, 2025, 1:31 AM

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ghostwrithe at launch gave you like 2k extra effective hp for existing was not intended XD

static plinth Apr 3, 2025, 1:31 AM

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Blood Mage with the Aggravate Ignite unique spear though

gray sundial Apr 3, 2025, 1:32 AM

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atomic halo is bleeding concoction not exclusive to pf?

is it?

static plinth Apr 3, 2025, 1:32 AM

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Scale pure fire, then you have both aggravated Ignite and aggravated Bleed and your fire damage contributes to both

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I think itll bang

north raven Apr 3, 2025, 1:32 AM

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@static plinth

static plinth Apr 3, 2025, 1:32 AM

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gray sundial is it?

Yeah its an ascendancy skill

static plinth Apr 3, 2025, 1:32 AM

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north raven <@429390099717816320>

I know

atomic halo Apr 3, 2025, 1:32 AM

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gray sundial is it?

yes, it is.

static plinth Apr 3, 2025, 1:32 AM

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The CI change didnt kill it

gray sundial Apr 3, 2025, 1:32 AM

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atomic halo yes, it is.

ah stupid me ty

static plinth Apr 3, 2025, 1:32 AM

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And even now its still okay

north raven Apr 3, 2025, 1:32 AM

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static plinth I know

just showing you incase you didnt see

gray sundial Apr 3, 2025, 1:32 AM

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static plinth Scale pure fire, then you have both aggravated Ignite and aggravated Bleed and y...

they changed the barbs on blood mage, doesnt say ele applies to bleeding magnitude anymore

static plinth Apr 3, 2025, 1:32 AM

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Its still a 900 ES body armour

static plinth Apr 3, 2025, 1:33 AM

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gray sundial they changed the barbs on blood mage, doesnt say ele applies to bleeding magnitu...

piss

gray sundial Apr 3, 2025, 1:33 AM

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The Blood Barbs Ascendancy Passive Skill no longer provides 10% of Damage gained as extra Physical Damage. It now causes Bleeding you inflict on Cursed targets to be Aggravated.

static plinth Apr 3, 2025, 1:33 AM

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Wait no

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IT still does

gray sundial Apr 3, 2025, 1:33 AM

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i mean it doesnt say the other half

static plinth Apr 3, 2025, 1:33 AM

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They just removed the gain as extra phys

static plinth Apr 3, 2025, 1:33 AM

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gray sundial i mean it doesnt say the other half

Cuz it wasnt changed

gray sundial Apr 3, 2025, 1:33 AM

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ah, may be on to something

north raven Apr 3, 2025, 1:33 AM

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what are the annoying music pets from poe1?

static plinth Apr 3, 2025, 1:34 AM

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Goblin Band

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Maybe Goblin Troupe?

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Goblin something

gray sundial Apr 3, 2025, 1:34 AM

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tornado shot can be used with spears lol

north raven Apr 3, 2025, 1:34 AM

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they added a shit ton of pets from the mtx

static plinth Apr 3, 2025, 1:34 AM

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gray sundial tornado shot can be used with spears lol

Wait where do you see that

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That sounds cool

gray sundial Apr 3, 2025, 1:34 AM

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Tornado Shot's splitting effect now also applies to thrown Spears.

static plinth Apr 3, 2025, 1:34 AM

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Neat

gray sundial Apr 3, 2025, 1:35 AM

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ele tornado shot ignite bleed?

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just saying stupid crap ignore

static plinth Apr 3, 2025, 1:35 AM

#

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So the aggravate on cursed targets is also big for this spear

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I think im onto something

atomic halo Apr 3, 2025, 1:35 AM

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adds 22 to 27 physical damage
adds 27 to 36 fire damage

gray sundial Apr 3, 2025, 1:35 AM

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cannot use projectile attacks

static plinth Apr 3, 2025, 1:35 AM

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yeah thats the painful bit

gray sundial Apr 3, 2025, 1:36 AM

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stabby time

rich raft Apr 3, 2025, 1:36 AM

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gray sundial cannot use projectile attacks

weapon swap then?

static plinth Apr 3, 2025, 1:36 AM

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rich raft weapon swap then?

I guess you could do this actually, since Blood Mage gives you a way to 100% aggravate

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Sounds clunky but maybe

cobalt pollen Apr 3, 2025, 1:36 AM

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play tanky with grasping

static plinth Apr 3, 2025, 1:37 AM

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Also we're getting Mind of The Council

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Idk if its going to do the same gimmick as 1 but if it does, manastacking attacks could be good

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And assuming its Gained As Extra, there was a new support that makes ALL Gained as Extra cold damage

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If there's similar for fire and lightning

north raven Apr 3, 2025, 1:38 AM

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oh shit grim feast is completely romoved

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im cooked bros

gray sundial Apr 3, 2025, 1:38 AM

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es ded

north raven Apr 3, 2025, 1:38 AM

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im ded. ima ded alot

rich raft Apr 3, 2025, 1:38 AM

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people gonna die a LOT

old ermine Apr 3, 2025, 1:39 AM

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after reading the patch notes, do we think ED/Contagion will be at all viable? No buffs to them :(

rich raft Apr 3, 2025, 1:39 AM

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was considering HC but not based on these notes

gray sundial Apr 3, 2025, 1:39 AM

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time for tactician, only way

loud geyser Apr 3, 2025, 1:39 AM

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Definitely eyeing bleed build with spears

cobalt pollen Apr 3, 2025, 1:39 AM

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ED has the int stacking supp

rich raft Apr 3, 2025, 1:39 AM

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old ermine after reading the patch notes, do we think ED/Contagion will be at all viable? N...

i didnt see many changes to them so far, but using hexblast on an aura curse looks ded

old ermine Apr 3, 2025, 1:40 AM

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rich raft i didnt see many changes to them so far, but using hexblast on an aura curse loo...

rip. I was hoping for some better chaos builds this league!

rich raft Apr 3, 2025, 1:40 AM

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old ermine rip. I was hoping for some better chaos builds this league!

need more chaos skills

gray sundial Apr 3, 2025, 1:41 AM

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Has anyone seen the stats for death from above on tactician yet?

north raven Apr 3, 2025, 1:46 AM

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rich raft was considering HC but not based on these notes

dude i dont even know what class im gonna play now.

rich raft Apr 3, 2025, 1:47 AM

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north raven dude i dont even know what class im gonna play now.

not sorc or monk for me. probably do a spear build but maybe not huntress

north raven Apr 3, 2025, 1:47 AM

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damn the only thing i was curious about didnt even make it into the patch

static plinth Apr 3, 2025, 1:47 AM

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north raven damn the only thing i was curious about didnt even make it into the patch

Lame

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Maybe we'll get it in a patch before the next major patch

north raven Apr 3, 2025, 1:48 AM

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how is one of the first thing you tease not in the fucking patch????

cedar aspen Apr 3, 2025, 1:48 AM

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Surely ES can still be viable without Grim Feast right?

north raven Apr 3, 2025, 1:49 AM

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goodluck

rich raft Apr 3, 2025, 1:50 AM

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armor bad, evasion is meh (if u get hit u still get hit hard, ES nerfed, ailments increase........Oprah giving our toon deaths

loud geyser Apr 3, 2025, 1:50 AM

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Oh well, gonna just fly into this blind

north raven Apr 3, 2025, 1:50 AM

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i hate to be that guy but i kinda wish last epoch woulda kept the 2nd lauch date

cedar aspen Apr 3, 2025, 1:54 AM

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loud geyser Apr 3, 2025, 1:56 AM

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100+ support gems, though. 100+ more end game focused uniques. Gotta be something there. What was broken before has been unbroken and we will break more things. The cycle continues

cobalt pollen Apr 3, 2025, 1:56 AM

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idk if warrior can reach those new bleed clusters

cedar aspen Apr 3, 2025, 1:56 AM

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They’re just taking it back to rework it, it’s going to be all ok 👍

cobalt pollen Apr 3, 2025, 1:56 AM

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I hope so

static plinth Apr 3, 2025, 1:57 AM

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@silent glade Hey sorry if you're busy but
"Fixed bug where Soulrend projectiles were unable to debuff targets after passing through chests."
Soulrend staves were drop-disabled. Is this meant to be a different spell (ie Essence Drain) or is this only a relevant fix to playtesters?

north raven Apr 3, 2025, 1:58 AM

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cedar aspen

the easy solution is to make es worth a damn WITHOUT GF then 🙂

midnight obsidian Apr 3, 2025, 1:59 AM

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if you've opened the chest the soulrend gets sucked inside problem solved

hidden siren Apr 3, 2025, 2:05 AM

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god damn acrobatics got nerfed

static plinth Apr 3, 2025, 2:06 AM

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barely

dusty horizon Apr 3, 2025, 2:09 AM

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If I have a poison cloud and use explosive conc, does it blow up the cloud before dealing the fire explosive damage of conc?

hidden siren Apr 3, 2025, 2:11 AM

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i have to test to see if my build got nerfed even tho it wasnt one of the strongest ones

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wind dancer took a hit

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welp ingenuity is ded isnt it

gray sundial Apr 3, 2025, 2:16 AM

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cant wait to use it with the third ring slot

hidden siren Apr 3, 2025, 2:18 AM

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its 20-30% now

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instead of 40-80

hidden siren Apr 3, 2025, 2:18 AM

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gray sundial cant wait to use it with the third ring slot

it doesnt work for the new slot

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lol

loud geyser Apr 3, 2025, 2:19 AM

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Unless you have an existing version

hidden siren Apr 3, 2025, 2:19 AM

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and why would u play on current league

loud geyser Apr 3, 2025, 2:19 AM

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Yeah was gonna say lol, no one is gonna do that

gray sundial Apr 3, 2025, 2:19 AM

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hidden siren it doesnt work for the new slot

thats what jonathan WANTS you to think!

hidden siren Apr 3, 2025, 2:19 AM

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im using my current char to test out the changes

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to see if its viable

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my build i mean

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theres a lot that is changed

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a lot of evasion nerfs

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acrobatics glt nerfed wind dancer

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grim feast has been disabled

cobalt pollen Apr 3, 2025, 2:22 AM

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rest in feast

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double ES was a mistake : o )

hidden siren Apr 3, 2025, 2:23 AM

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haha

The Temporalis Unique Body Armour now causes Skills to have -2 to -1 seconds to Cooldown (previously -4 to -2). Existing versions of this item can be updated to the new values with a Divine Orb, but why would you?

hollow galleon Apr 3, 2025, 2:24 AM

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can I still play bell monk?

cobalt pollen Apr 3, 2025, 2:25 AM

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bell still looks good

hoary bolt Apr 3, 2025, 2:31 AM

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.25 second cooldown on activation lulw

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bell is dead af sorry

hidden siren Apr 3, 2025, 2:35 AM

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skim all the changes

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stuff that wasnt meta got nerfed

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breach ring quality got dropped to 40% and decreased drop rate oof

viral rover Apr 3, 2025, 2:40 AM

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I feel like they didnt want anyone to try anything but huntress so they nerfed everything lol

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like, whats even good now? i guess we will see

hidden siren Apr 3, 2025, 2:41 AM

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prob good to roll huntress for thinga not nerfed yet

viral rover Apr 3, 2025, 2:42 AM

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unless I missed it, I didnt see them touch armor at all for the player so that sucks. ES is not as strong and we just crumple

hidden siren Apr 3, 2025, 2:42 AM

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wind dancer loses stacks on all hits not just melee now

cinder raven Apr 3, 2025, 2:42 AM

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Holy shit they buffed hammer of the gods

hidden siren Apr 3, 2025, 2:42 AM

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how bad was the es nerfs

static plinth Apr 3, 2025, 2:42 AM

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Buffed is a strong word

viral rover Apr 3, 2025, 2:42 AM

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well GF got deleted

hidden siren Apr 3, 2025, 2:42 AM

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i dont use es so i skipped over it

cinder raven Apr 3, 2025, 2:43 AM

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Just grim feast and few passives

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Nothing much

viral rover Apr 3, 2025, 2:43 AM

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just makes it harder to effectively run CI

cinder raven Apr 3, 2025, 2:43 AM

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They nerfed atziri disdain tho

hidden siren Apr 3, 2025, 2:43 AM

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they also nerfed all mana on gear

viral rover Apr 3, 2025, 2:43 AM

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yeah so MoM's hurting too

north raven Apr 3, 2025, 2:43 AM

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hidden siren they also nerfed all mana on gear

wait how

viral rover Apr 3, 2025, 2:44 AM

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like the higher limits of mana are now lower

cinder raven Apr 3, 2025, 2:44 AM

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Did they buff life on gear?

viral rover Apr 3, 2025, 2:44 AM

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like I dont think anything can go over 200 now

hidden siren Apr 3, 2025, 2:44 AM

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Belts, Gloves, and Boots can now only roll up to +105-124 to Maximum Mana.
Helmets can now only roll up to +125-149 to Maximum Mana.
Wands, Sceptres, Staves, and Focii can now only roll up to +150-164 to Maximum Mana.
Rings can now only roll up to +165-179 to Maximum Mana.

north raven Apr 3, 2025, 2:44 AM

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viral rover like the higher limits of mana are now lower

so no more 179 or whatever?

cinder raven Apr 3, 2025, 2:44 AM

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Or is there any % max life they have added?

north raven Apr 3, 2025, 2:44 AM

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hidden siren Belts, Gloves, and Boots can now only roll up to +105-124 to Maximum Mana. Helme...

holy shit nothing Is good anymore

viral rover Apr 3, 2025, 2:44 AM

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yeah i dont really understand how we are supposed to be like durable at all lol

hidden siren Apr 3, 2025, 2:45 AM

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dodge

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kek

static plinth Apr 3, 2025, 2:45 AM

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Just dont get hit 5head

viral rover Apr 3, 2025, 2:45 AM

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yeah kill the monsters before they hit you

north raven Apr 3, 2025, 2:45 AM

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its funny you say that

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cause 14 seconds

viral rover Apr 3, 2025, 2:45 AM

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but now its like, we cant

static plinth Apr 3, 2025, 2:46 AM

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Maybe they nerfed monster damage across the board UHM

hidden siren Apr 3, 2025, 2:46 AM

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The following Notable Passive Skills have been removed, you will no longer be able to Instil them, but existing ones will still function: Break Focus, Hold Focus, Lasting Concoctions, No Escape, Pinned Down, and Potent Concoctions.
12 Jewel Sockets have been removed from the Passive Skill Tree. Existing characters with Jewels in these removed sockets can reclaim their Jewels to their main inventory using the new /reclaimjewels chat command.

viral rover Apr 3, 2025, 2:46 AM

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I think the play is specters. Yup thats the play

hidden siren Apr 3, 2025, 2:46 AM

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less jewel slots

north raven Apr 3, 2025, 2:46 AM

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if i wanted to play a health melting sim id play poe1. they are falling into the same traps. its gonna end up poe1.2

atomic halo Apr 3, 2025, 2:47 AM

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cinder raven Or is there any % max life they have added?

yes, they added -3% life to the candlemass bonus.

north raven Apr 3, 2025, 2:47 AM

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hidden siren less jewel slots

oh yeah adorned is fucked now too

hidden siren Apr 3, 2025, 2:47 AM

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on top of unique jewel nerfs

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max radius is reduced

viral rover Apr 3, 2025, 2:47 AM

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So it says on there that ailment threshold is based on half max hp instead of maximum. Does that mean you get stunned/frozen more with the same hp or less.

hidden siren Apr 3, 2025, 2:48 AM

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more

midnight obsidian Apr 3, 2025, 2:48 AM

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half t he time you get stunned every time

hidden siren Apr 3, 2025, 2:48 AM

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its a defense nerf

north raven Apr 3, 2025, 2:48 AM

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viral rover So it says on there that ailment threshold is based on half max hp instead of ma...

it means only half of your health counts toward the threshold of preventing you from being affected by ailments

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instead of all your health

hidden siren Apr 3, 2025, 2:49 AM

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they want u to focus more on defenses it seems

viral rover Apr 3, 2025, 2:49 AM

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yeah so if you had 2000 max hp, now you would need 4k for the same effectiveness.

north raven Apr 3, 2025, 2:49 AM

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hidden siren they want u to focus more on defenses it seems

what fucking defenses

hidden siren Apr 3, 2025, 2:49 AM

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i have to adjust my tree

north raven Apr 3, 2025, 2:49 AM

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they nerfed it all

hoary bolt Apr 3, 2025, 2:49 AM

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they didnt

hidden siren Apr 3, 2025, 2:49 AM

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i need more defensive nodes

viral rover Apr 3, 2025, 2:49 AM

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armor, evasion, hp meta?

hoary bolt Apr 3, 2025, 2:49 AM

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bottom side defenses largely unchanged

hidden siren Apr 3, 2025, 2:49 AM

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im going to run a huntress and ranger

cinder raven Apr 3, 2025, 2:49 AM

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atomic halo yes, they added -3% life to the candlemass bonus.

Oh lmaoo

viral rover Apr 3, 2025, 2:50 AM

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also, wtf did demonform do to the devs lol. 😦

north raven Apr 3, 2025, 2:50 AM

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exist

viral rover Apr 3, 2025, 2:50 AM

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well maybe bleeds will be okayish now I guess idek

hidden siren Apr 3, 2025, 2:54 AM

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if u want something broken looks like pconc got buffed

cinder raven Apr 3, 2025, 2:54 AM

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How to reduce stun duration on enemies?

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Or consume stun perhaps?

rich raft Apr 3, 2025, 2:55 AM

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hidden siren if u want something broken looks like pconc got buffed

no. nerfed

hidden siren Apr 3, 2025, 2:56 AM

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Poisonous Concoction now has 200% more Magnitude of Poison inflicted (previously 100%). Now deals base Physical Damage instead of Chaos Damage.

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decompose got nerfed in half

cinder raven Apr 3, 2025, 2:58 AM

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If they add good amount of blind passives,
Accuracy stacking might get quite good

hidden siren Apr 3, 2025, 2:58 AM

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i still think blind sucks

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unless u use it to trigger more damage its not good cc

cinder raven Apr 3, 2025, 2:58 AM

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It will help with crit chance a lot for the ascendancy

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Because 100% increased effect of blind is like -40% reduced evasion of enemies

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Which is a lot as it helps reach 140% hit chance easier

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150 is out of reach I feel

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Pointless to invest that much to get just 10% more hit chance

olive tide Apr 3, 2025, 3:01 AM

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so we are just playing spears or lightning arrow now right? everything else is gutted]

cinder raven Apr 3, 2025, 3:01 AM

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Not really

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Cast on ignite

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Burning inscription + essence drain loop

viral rover Apr 3, 2025, 3:01 AM

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i dont even think lightning arrow is great anymore without the heralds

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at least for clear

hidden siren Apr 3, 2025, 3:02 AM

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la for lvling

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figure out endgame later

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im skipping spears

viral rover Apr 3, 2025, 3:02 AM

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oh i used gas arrow for leveling but yeah LA might be cleaner

hidden siren Apr 3, 2025, 3:02 AM

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going bow on huntress

olive tide Apr 3, 2025, 3:03 AM

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wasnt la good before people found out about the heralds proccing eachother? early on u didnt have herald of ice shcoking and herald of thunder freezing

hidden siren Apr 3, 2025, 3:03 AM

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yes thats what i used

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im not going to say what i used but i was 1 and 2 shotting all campaign bosses

short timber Apr 3, 2025, 3:06 AM

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hidden siren going bow on huntress

spears seem real bad ngl

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too much combo stuff

swift estuary Apr 3, 2025, 3:06 AM

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Do you think Lich is gonna be a stronger minion build or chaos hex build?

signal sky Apr 3, 2025, 3:06 AM

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in pob how do u change a node with out taking out the hole tree like switching from strengh to int

hidden siren Apr 3, 2025, 3:07 AM

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short timber spears seem real bad ngl

eh maybe but it wont take too long for people to find something broken

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will prob get nerfed but no harm in abusing it

hidden siren Apr 3, 2025, 3:08 AM

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signal sky in pob how do u change a node with out taking out the hole tree like switching f...

press the letter?

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wasnt there a letter key for each

hidden siren Apr 3, 2025, 3:10 AM

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short timber too much combo stuff

think the play is to get infusions so u can just spam tornados

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i get they want ppl to play hybrid but stronger builds end up being 1 button builds

north raven Apr 3, 2025, 3:12 AM

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hidden siren Poisonous Concoction now has 200% more Magnitude of Poison inflicted (previously...

herald of plague doesnt even proc off pconc anymore tho right?

hidden siren Apr 3, 2025, 3:12 AM

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oh yeah martial weapon

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its offhand

rich raft Apr 3, 2025, 3:13 AM

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hidden siren Poisonous Concoction now has 200% more Magnitude of Poison inflicted (previously...

there are additional nerfs to pconc

north raven Apr 3, 2025, 3:15 AM

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yeah

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pathfinder is a walking identity crisis now

short timber Apr 3, 2025, 3:22 AM

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hidden siren think the play is to get infusions so u can just spam tornados

I'm pretty sure whirlwind lance which I assume is basically ranged whirlwind CoC twister will be good

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but that seems so endgame

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you can't use all your spirit on CoC

short timber Apr 3, 2025, 3:23 AM

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hidden siren think the play is to get infusions so u can just spam tornados

you only cast 1 tornado without whirlwind

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it's dogshit without comboing it

hidden siren Apr 3, 2025, 3:24 AM

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companions also use up a percent of max spirit instead of flat amount

marble nymph Apr 3, 2025, 3:26 AM

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olive tide wasnt la good before people found out about the heralds proccing eachother? earl...

Yes honestly I ran both without the cheese anyways la is still good

olive tide Apr 3, 2025, 3:27 AM

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marble nymph Yes honestly I ran both without the cheese anyways la is still good

only issue i saw was lightning rod or whatever its called looks like its a lot worse.. not sure how to solve single target damage if thats the case

marble nymph Apr 3, 2025, 3:27 AM

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olive tide only issue i saw was lightning rod or whatever its called looks like its a lot w...

Wym?

olive tide Apr 3, 2025, 3:29 AM

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marble nymph Wym?

lightning rod arrow was the main source of single target damage.. and the patchnotes dont look great for it

marble nymph Apr 3, 2025, 3:29 AM

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olive tide lightning rod arrow was the main source of single target damage.. and the patchn...

That changes nothing

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You spamed lighting rod anyways which have a limit of how many could be on field

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I'll check rq to

white pewter Apr 3, 2025, 3:30 AM

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Lightning rod also has a 1 sec delay for the triggers on each rod

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I think

olive tide Apr 3, 2025, 3:30 AM

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"Lightning Rod Arrow now disappears after being Chained to 6 times at all Gem levels (previously 8-14 times at Gem levels 1-20). Arrows now take 1 second to charge up before releasing a Lightning Burst when chained to. Lightning Arrows that chain to Lightning Rod arrows cause the pulse to happen instantly instead of needing to charge up."

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seems pretty rough to me now

marble nymph Apr 3, 2025, 3:30 AM

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Honestly not the end of the world

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Rares will be slower to kill in the beginning

olive tide Apr 3, 2025, 3:31 AM

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nah for sure not the worst thing.. just gonna be worse for sure

marble nymph Apr 3, 2025, 3:31 AM

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Once you can just use la you'll be fine

olive tide Apr 3, 2025, 3:31 AM

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never got my LA toon to the point where u didnt need lightning rod to kill bosses/tanky rares

marble nymph Apr 3, 2025, 3:32 AM

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Bosses used cast on shock and ball lighting

olive tide Apr 3, 2025, 3:33 AM

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right but rod was how u got the shocks right?

marble nymph Apr 3, 2025, 3:33 AM

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Nm i just read it again

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So hmm ill have to test it's viability

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Tbh this patch seems like a massive l

white pewter Apr 3, 2025, 3:34 AM

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with the 1 sec delay for a rod to trigger wont that mess up the single target dps as they go through their charges slower (even though you are spamming them)??

marble nymph Apr 3, 2025, 3:34 AM

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white pewter with the 1 sec delay for a rod to trigger wont that mess up the single target dp...

Depends if it's a slight delay before the first charge or it's 1 second between charges

olive tide Apr 3, 2025, 3:34 AM

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i mean if ur spamming it.. after 6 seconds it should just catch up and ull be fine.. at least if it works the way i read it

marsh token Apr 3, 2025, 3:35 AM

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does unwavering stance make slow brolic warrior builds not as troll since u wont get stunned mid animation

white pewter Apr 3, 2025, 3:35 AM

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Actually think crossbows might be the winners of this

olive tide Apr 3, 2025, 3:35 AM

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crossbows look really good now that they have 2h phys damage mods

white pewter Apr 3, 2025, 3:35 AM

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two handed weapon affixes so much more dmg + almost no nerfs with some reload bug fixes

olive tide Apr 3, 2025, 3:36 AM

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but explosive grenade at 7s cd will suck for grenade builds.. but galvanic shard/shockburst look real good to me

wild stirrup Apr 3, 2025, 3:36 AM

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How would Eternal Youth + Zealots Oath + Eternal Life work? You can only heal hp if you’re without ES and it’s only via regen?

white pewter Apr 3, 2025, 3:37 AM

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ALMOST want to Tactician with crossbows and some minions. But I dont like the lack of damage scalers in ascend and only minor defensive.

vestal flume Apr 3, 2025, 3:37 AM

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is there an updated passive tree planner yet?

olive tide Apr 3, 2025, 3:38 AM

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all really hard to speculate on without the actual number changes to skills. we will find out on launch, err atleast a few days into it anyways

white pewter Apr 3, 2025, 3:40 AM

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Have a feeling because spears are new they will be overtuned and avoid most of this. With huntress having cooked in dps scaling it seems like a sure thing unless spears are trash.

pseudo kayak Apr 3, 2025, 3:40 AM

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What looks good now for Group Play (2-3 players)?

woven otter Apr 3, 2025, 3:40 AM

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How are we gonna know which skills are buffed

white pewter Apr 3, 2025, 3:40 AM

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pseudo kayak What looks good now for Group Play (2-3 players)?

go check out snapow's stream

north raven Apr 3, 2025, 3:41 AM

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pseudo kayak What looks good now for Group Play (2-3 players)?

well rarity builds are dead so maybe there isnt any use in party play anymore

white pewter Apr 3, 2025, 3:42 AM

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rarity builds being harder to make means having a culler would be more effective right?

pseudo kayak Apr 3, 2025, 3:42 AM

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north raven well rarity builds are dead so maybe there isnt any use in party play anymore

Wait why is that? I figured if anything it was the opposite

north raven Apr 3, 2025, 3:43 AM

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pseudo kayak Wait why is that? I figured if anything it was the opposite

did you see the nerfs?

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to the rarity gear pieces

pseudo kayak Apr 3, 2025, 3:43 AM

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Yea, rarity is harder to obtain but the mechanic is still strong, right?

azure vector Apr 3, 2025, 3:44 AM

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white pewter ALMOST want to Tactician with crossbows and some minions. But I dont like the la...

Isn't it really good defensives? Considering they have buffed enemies ailments and stuns and we would be taking 20% more damage when armor broken. Having high armor, stun and ailment threshold seems good and being able to pin enemies to technically freeze them with better buildup than freeze itself.

white pewter Apr 3, 2025, 3:45 AM

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azure vector Isn't it really good defensives? Considering they have buffed enemies ailments a...

Ya, with heavy stuns being 3 seconds now and the base ailment thresholds being half that node has quite a bit of value

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still dunno if I would take the top node given how armor works. Kinda on the fence

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guess you could argue the pin tree is a crazy defensive as it basically freezes mobs.

azure vector Apr 3, 2025, 3:47 AM

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Yeah

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Only issue is the damage

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But I'm hoping that it is compensated for with possible skill multiplier buffs alongside the 2h modifiers and base damage buffs.

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For crossbow

white pewter Apr 3, 2025, 3:53 AM

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the damage aura + some crazy high attack speed specter might be nuts as a psuedo minon. (dang it accidently used a bad word and got muted lol)

distant dome Apr 3, 2025, 4:11 AM

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How much does increasing ailment magnitude help cast on critical? is it 100% magnitude= double energy gain? are there breakpoints?

hoary bolt Apr 3, 2025, 4:24 AM

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distant dome How much does increasing ailment magnitude help cast on critical? is it 100% mag...

i dont think ailment magnitude will help

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the threshold is just used as a basis for determining the extra energy gain

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i.e if an enemy has a 4% of life ailment threshold and the hit would deal 8% of max life, then it gains double energy

kindred barn Apr 3, 2025, 4:36 AM

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Will "Skill Mana Costs Converted to Life Costs" convert "25% of mana to dmg" into 25% of health to dmg? Or it will first convert current mana and then it will cost as health?

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The Burden of Shadows
Chiming Staff and mana flare procs

static plinth Apr 3, 2025, 4:39 AM

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It will do 20% of your max mana as damage because Mana Flare isnt a cost, its just "consumes"

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If you use blood magic instead of Burden of Shadows, it will deal 0 damage since blood magic removes your mana

kindred barn Apr 3, 2025, 4:41 AM

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So unique staff doesn't interact with flare? Sad

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And ye 20% sorry about that

distant dome Apr 3, 2025, 4:42 AM

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hoary bolt i.e if an enemy has a 4% of life ailment threshold and the hit would deal 8% of ...

But doesn't magnitude get treated like... in your example, the hit did 8% max life, but 100% magnitude would be treated as 16% max life freeze? so it'd be 4x not 2x. dunno.

hoary bolt Apr 3, 2025, 4:42 AM

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hits dont have magnitude

tawdry shard Apr 3, 2025, 4:43 AM

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Do we know if the Giant's blood change was just wording or it works on all martial weapons?

static plinth Apr 3, 2025, 4:44 AM

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tawdry shard Do we know if the Giant's blood change was just wording or it works on all marti...

Just wording

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0 mechanical change

tawdry shard Apr 3, 2025, 4:44 AM

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Ty

white pewter Apr 3, 2025, 4:57 AM

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https://tenor.com/view/cant-sleep-riley-flynn-zach-gilford-midnight-mass-book-i-genesis-gif-23607424

Tenor

swift siren Apr 3, 2025, 4:58 AM

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https://maxroll.gg/poe2/build-guides/cold-snap-frostbolt-stormweaver-leveling-guide#gearing-header

Maxroll

Cold Snap Frostbolt Stormweaver Leveling Guide

Path of Exile 2 Cold Snap Stormweaver Sorceress Leveling Guide has Skills, Ascendancy, Passives and Gearing for Acts 1-3 Normal & Cruel.

cinder raven Apr 3, 2025, 5:06 AM

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Discipline also affecting players kinda helps now

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So es isn't actually nerfed that much

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Just need some recovery

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Lich would make a crazy good curse bot

hollow galleon Apr 3, 2025, 5:33 AM

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cinder raven Lich would make a crazy good curse bot

curses got nerfed

raw python Apr 3, 2025, 5:46 AM

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hollow galleon curses got nerfed

everything got nerfed. lol

manic jungle Apr 3, 2025, 6:01 AM

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raw python everything got nerfed. lol

if you were someone who built a ice caster, and was rping through maps with frost spells, you came out ok

viral rover Apr 3, 2025, 6:08 AM

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I wish they let us know about thr skill gems and supports so we could lab shit out.

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It's kinda crazy with 100 plus supports. They could literally be anything.

quick pumice Apr 3, 2025, 6:10 AM

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does this wording mean that GGG expects you to do Attacks after casting Bonestorm? What the hell

wild stirrup Apr 3, 2025, 6:14 AM

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you cant stack the effect of soul offering with abundance, can you?

quick pumice Apr 3, 2025, 6:19 AM

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The more I read the patch notes the less excited Im to play... they nerfed All the fun stuff even if it wasn't even close to being OP... like Mace gems smhow got Worse!

tight zenith Apr 3, 2025, 6:19 AM

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"alright fellas, lets absolutely fucking gut one of the lesser used caster skills for no reason"

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15 second cooldown and more than 60% less damage

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but hey, at least it got an aoe buff

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did i mention the 15 second cooldown ?

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the 15 second cooldown

quick pumice Apr 3, 2025, 6:21 AM

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tight zenith "alright fellas, lets absolutely fucking **gut** one of the lesser used caster s...

XD Yeah... "let´s nerf to shit most of the gems that have 0.1% pick rate or even less"

tight zenith Apr 3, 2025, 6:22 AM

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i think reducing damage in the game is actually a very good move, stuff was getting really out of hand towards the tail end of endgame

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but like

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cooldown

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to an already piss worthless skill

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man

quick pumice Apr 3, 2025, 6:23 AM

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To make you play chronomancer XD

raw python Apr 3, 2025, 6:24 AM

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manic jungle if you were someone who built a ice caster, and was rping through maps with fros...

nope even they didnt make it lol

tight zenith Apr 3, 2025, 6:24 AM

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this whole patch has been so depressing, but i can recognize its healthy for the game,
but man some of these individual changes make me sick to my fucking stomach

radiant wraith Apr 3, 2025, 6:25 AM

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Love this patch

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Pure joy

quick pumice Apr 3, 2025, 6:25 AM

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It´s aight, atleast they didn't force mace gems to have +1s Total attack time ... oh wait... So now Default attack isn't 5 times stronger than any Mace gem but way more

livid ridge Apr 3, 2025, 6:25 AM

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for me its mainly the changes to minions. really threw me off

wild stirrup Apr 3, 2025, 6:26 AM

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does anyone know if abundance lets you stack the buff from soul offering?

tight zenith Apr 3, 2025, 6:27 AM

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fun fact: infernalist will be substantially better with crit builds than blood mage (the crit ascendancy) (that is designed around crit)

radiant wraith Apr 3, 2025, 6:28 AM

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90% warrior builds got buffed and mercenary nonstacker also pretty much just buffs

tight zenith Apr 3, 2025, 6:28 AM

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fun fact: they still have not buffed sanguimancy !
fun fact: they have still not buffed life

radiant wraith Apr 3, 2025, 6:28 AM

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They even buffed my molten strike fullscreen shotgun build

tight zenith Apr 3, 2025, 6:29 AM

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fun fact: they completely removed grim feast

radiant wraith Apr 3, 2025, 6:30 AM

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I am playing without grim feast already

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For a few days

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Its a broken support tbh

tight zenith Apr 3, 2025, 6:30 AM

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fun fact: they completely removed hexblast's interaction with blasphemy, and reduced its damage by 17%

radiant wraith Apr 3, 2025, 6:31 AM

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As ggg said , nothing is left behind

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No idea why they nerfed flameblast tho

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But i AM starting sorc anyway

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Already made a build that doesnt care about mana or archmage

quasi rose Apr 3, 2025, 6:35 AM

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radiant wraith As ggg said , nothing is left behind

Its a good thing imo

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I hear people freak out abt the changes

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Dafuq did u expect from a beta

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Its a livetest, grow a pair.

radiant wraith Apr 3, 2025, 6:36 AM

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Good point

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That's what beta is about

tight zenith Apr 3, 2025, 6:36 AM

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since early access ive been playing blood mage, with hexblast, and flameblast
life is still shit
grim feast is removed
hexblast blasphemy is removed
flameblast is utterly unusable
leech notable is still mandatory
15% base crit notable is mandatory, if you want to do damage
sanguimancy is not buffed (i still spend 800 life on cast :D)

wild stirrup Apr 3, 2025, 6:36 AM

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what spells are worth using for cast on x triggers? do you jjust want the biggest daamge possible to get the best usage of the damage buff from passive tree?

tight zenith Apr 3, 2025, 6:36 AM

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quasi rose I hear people freak out abt the changes

both of my builds were removed from the game completely

neat thunder Apr 3, 2025, 6:36 AM

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@tight zenith which ones

quasi rose Apr 3, 2025, 6:36 AM

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tight zenith both of my builds were removed from the game completely

Luckely there are zillion other builds and chars u can play

tight zenith Apr 3, 2025, 6:36 AM

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flameblast and hexblast

radiant wraith Apr 3, 2025, 6:36 AM

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I use voltaic Mark/conduit/fire wall cast on shock

neat thunder Apr 3, 2025, 6:37 AM

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I was a gemling and probably will still be one

tight zenith Apr 3, 2025, 6:37 AM

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quasi rose Luckely there are zillion other builds and chars u can play

yea ill just go amazon and tear the economy to shreds

quasi rose Apr 3, 2025, 6:37 AM

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tight zenith yea ill just go amazon and tear the economy to shreds

Exactly!

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Or just go to diablo 4

radiant wraith Apr 3, 2025, 6:37 AM

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Nah

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D4 no content

celest blaze Apr 3, 2025, 6:38 AM

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is it known what it means to "gain 2 Fire Infusion" in the Huntress ascendancy?

radiant wraith Apr 3, 2025, 6:38 AM

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And 5 mobs on screen

quasi rose Apr 3, 2025, 6:38 AM

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I dont wanna act like a dick flippa, sorry if it came over that way

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But alot of people tend to forget that its a live beta

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If u dont want changes then dont play a live beta

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So my apologies

tight zenith Apr 3, 2025, 6:39 AM

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it just really sucks that my builds were among the more balanced of the bunch and didnt get nerfed, but completely removed from the game

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its alright

quasi rose Apr 3, 2025, 6:40 AM

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Im just stressing out due to a important job intervieuw so im lashing a weebit out ❤️

radiant wraith Apr 3, 2025, 6:40 AM

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Who knows , maybe ripwire balistas will actually melt bosses now

tight zenith Apr 3, 2025, 6:40 AM

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quasi rose Im just stressing out due to a important job intervieuw so im lashing a weebit o...

hey, good luck with that man

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ill say a prayer for ya

bright locust Apr 3, 2025, 6:41 AM

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So what do we think of Ritualist Minion build

mighty wing Apr 3, 2025, 6:41 AM

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radiant wraith Who knows , maybe ripwire balistas will actually melt bosses now

with tactician those bad boys might do some real dmg

bright locust Apr 3, 2025, 6:41 AM

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With beast companion being able to have 2

celest blaze Apr 3, 2025, 6:42 AM

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is it just me, or is ritualist just... utter dogshit

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hrm 4 ascendancy points for charm stuff yes yes sign me up

radiant wraith Apr 3, 2025, 6:43 AM

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Headhunter for free tho

bright locust Apr 3, 2025, 6:43 AM

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The extra ring is actually massive

celest blaze Apr 3, 2025, 6:43 AM

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radiant wraith Headhunter for free tho

i suppose, they nerfed headhunting though

tight zenith Apr 3, 2025, 6:43 AM

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celest blaze is it just me, or is ritualist just... utter dogshit

i thought it was super busted with the third ring but they made ingenuity "20-30% increased bonuses gained from Equipped Right/Left Ring"

radiant wraith Apr 3, 2025, 6:43 AM

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Will the headhunter passive stack with support gem and actual headhunter ?

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I wonder

celest blaze Apr 3, 2025, 6:44 AM

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tight zenith i thought it was super busted with the third ring but they made ingenuity "20-30...

breach rings only can be 40% qual'ed isntead of 50% also, and are much rarer

radiant wraith Apr 3, 2025, 6:44 AM

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Doesnt that kills breacha rings?

bright locust Apr 3, 2025, 6:44 AM

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The downside doesn't matter with a 3rd ring considering 1 ring can cancel it out

tight zenith Apr 3, 2025, 6:45 AM

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celest blaze breach rings only can be 40% qual'ed isntead of 50% also, and are much rarer

yea i think ritualist is pretty meh

radiant wraith Apr 3, 2025, 6:47 AM

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Some elitenods can actually be op

wild stirrup Apr 3, 2025, 6:48 AM

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how the hell do you find minion power?

manic jungle Apr 3, 2025, 6:48 AM

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raw python nope even they didnt make it lol

they're probably adding those freeze gloves, berek's rinks & taming, and other uniques.... and maybe support gems

radiant wraith Apr 3, 2025, 6:49 AM

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Maybe there is a support gem that teleports your char into a previous patch?

manic jungle Apr 3, 2025, 6:49 AM

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Freeze buildup nerf wont effect a lich ice caster unless cold snap

radiant wraith Apr 3, 2025, 6:49 AM

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That could also roll on a unique item

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Imagine that

celest blaze Apr 3, 2025, 6:50 AM

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Might make a mace totem amazon, not even kidding lol

radiant wraith Apr 3, 2025, 6:50 AM

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Totem is op

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Easy 8 mil on a budget

opaque bluff Apr 3, 2025, 6:50 AM

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We don’t know new supports yet right? I didn’t miss them being listed somewhere?

radiant wraith Apr 3, 2025, 6:51 AM

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We will find them ingame

celest blaze Apr 3, 2025, 6:51 AM

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radiant wraith Easy 8 mil on a budget

which sort of totem are you talking here?

I think that sunder totems got severely hit

radiant wraith Apr 3, 2025, 6:51 AM

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Didnt notice

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3 mil should be ez on shockwaves anyway

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Enemies have less armor and take morę DMG when its broken

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Balistas still have the issue of having -7 levels compared to totems but that 500% pin DMG maybe fixes that

celest blaze Apr 3, 2025, 6:56 AM

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Fixed a bug where Sunder's aftershocks could hit enemies too many times.

Fixed a bug that caused various aftershock-related stats that were intended to apply specifically to your skills to also apply to skills used by totems.

Although:

Sunder now has +1 second to Total Attack Time (previously +1.4 seconds), and the Mana cost has been adjusted accordingly.

and

Ancestral Warrior Totem now explicitly states that it wields a Two Handed Mace, to clarify that it benefits from your Mace-related stats. Quality is now +0-2 seconds to Totem Duration (previously +0-0.4).

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sunder totems are almost certainly RIP, and possibly sunder in general

radiant wraith Apr 3, 2025, 6:57 AM

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Well a single sunder could make like 10

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It was like having 100% wildshards on a slam

celest blaze Apr 3, 2025, 6:57 AM

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radiant wraith Balistas still have the issue of having -7 levels compared to totems but that 50...

the +3 to level of skill gem can help here maybe, but yes

radiant wraith Apr 3, 2025, 6:58 AM

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Well tactician Has the super Pin tho

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And ripwire have 0 clear

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So you need to clear maps yourself and maybe balista spam on Boss + banner spam ?

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You could also alternate between ripwire/artillery

celest blaze Apr 3, 2025, 7:00 AM

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radiant wraith Well tactician Has the super Pin tho

You can hit 33 easily with one weapon and no shenanigans. https://pathofexile2.wiki.fextralife.com/Prism+of+Belief+Diamond. Gemling could get +2 more. Pretty close.

quick pumice Apr 3, 2025, 7:00 AM

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quasi rose Dafuq did u expect from a beta

Yeah, but you have statistics on what is good and what isnt and they nerf stuff that is in some cases taken in exactly 0% cases.

celest blaze Apr 3, 2025, 7:01 AM

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I feel like there's another 2 somewhere that can be picked up, but too tired right now

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might not be

radiant wraith Apr 3, 2025, 7:01 AM

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Maybe they nerfed IT because they detected op interaction with new support/uniques

celest blaze Apr 3, 2025, 7:01 AM

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corrupted gloves (and helm?) maybe?

mighty wing Apr 3, 2025, 7:03 AM

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radiant wraith You could also alternate between ripwire/artillery

does artillery have clear?

radiant wraith Apr 3, 2025, 7:03 AM

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If you have 200% aoe radius and 20k DMG it clears trash on maps

celest blaze Apr 3, 2025, 7:04 AM

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we'll see I guess, bedtime later

radiant wraith Apr 3, 2025, 7:04 AM

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Or even better

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Use totems for clear and ripwire on bosses

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XD

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Shockwaves clear fullscreen up to 17 no issue

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Just pump aoe and lvl

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Will see

mighty wing Apr 3, 2025, 7:05 AM

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might be onto something

radiant wraith Apr 3, 2025, 7:06 AM

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Well shockwaves got buffed

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Molten strike also buffed

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Might even finally finish my molten strike archer

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Attack speed is the only issue

mighty wing Apr 3, 2025, 7:07 AM

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wasent the molten strike buff only apply when dwielding

radiant wraith Apr 3, 2025, 7:07 AM

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Well exactly

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Normally IT fires 3 proj on scattershot and 6 if dual

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So that 15% now feels like s huge buff

mighty wing Apr 3, 2025, 7:09 AM

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and with deadeye it would fire even more:D

radiant wraith Apr 3, 2025, 7:09 AM

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https://youtu.be/RJiRTyONCHI?si=xQsU-1wxbBOqF-wL

YouTube

Judge Dredd

Path Of Exile 2 Warrior Molten Strike Shotgun

Path Of Exile 2 rare build

▶ Play video

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I tested IT as a trollbuild

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Animation time is the biggest isue

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DMG wasnt that bad when you look at the budget of like 50ex and random aoe jewels

mighty wing Apr 3, 2025, 7:11 AM

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that could go pretty well with the Sok fire spell on hit aswell

radiant wraith Apr 3, 2025, 7:11 AM

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Yeah i will definitely push that on a 2nd char

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Its like crossbow explosive shot but better xD

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Aoe is the key

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You need all 6proj to eventually be able to hit a single Elite/boss

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Then IT actually starts doing dmg

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Before that its just a packclearer

mighty wing Apr 3, 2025, 7:14 AM

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i will prolly go with something similiar on my first guy, with the exploding spears

radiant wraith Apr 3, 2025, 7:14 AM

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I quess i will just get every attack speed i can i literally spin2win with it

mighty wing Apr 3, 2025, 7:14 AM

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maybe with as sok

radiant wraith Apr 3, 2025, 7:15 AM

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Isn't spear dualwieldable now with Giant?

mighty wing Apr 3, 2025, 7:15 AM

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prolly

radiant wraith Apr 3, 2025, 7:15 AM

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D2 barb thrower lol

mighty wing Apr 3, 2025, 7:15 AM

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but the chernobog shield looks too good

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for fire builds

radiant wraith Apr 3, 2025, 7:16 AM

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Yeah

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Molten strike seems like the only exception

mighty wing Apr 3, 2025, 7:16 AM

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possibly

static torrent Apr 3, 2025, 7:16 AM

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radiant wraith Isn't spear dualwieldable now with Giant?

No

radiant wraith Apr 3, 2025, 7:16 AM

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2nd weapon literally Has double DMG potentisl

static torrent Apr 3, 2025, 7:16 AM

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Spears are one-handed.

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Giant's Blood affects two-handed Maces, Axes and Swords, it's only the attribute requirement line that changed.

mighty wing Apr 3, 2025, 7:17 AM

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static torrent Spears are one-handed.

ohh yeah

radiant wraith Apr 3, 2025, 7:17 AM

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Sad

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Dualwielding crossbows would be fun

mighty wing Apr 3, 2025, 7:17 AM

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then they better keep them one handers

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since you can atleast use a shield

tight zenith Apr 3, 2025, 7:17 AM

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against the darkness is now medium radius (lmao)

radiant wraith Apr 3, 2025, 7:18 AM

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My javazon is gonna play without shield

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For 25% skill speed notable

mighty wing Apr 3, 2025, 7:18 AM

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need to make way too many spear builds ngl

radiant wraith Apr 3, 2025, 7:19 AM

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Well they nerfed everything except troll builds

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Might aswell try new class

mighty wing Apr 3, 2025, 7:19 AM

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phys ritualist

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need to see what the new chrono skill does

radiant wraith Apr 3, 2025, 7:20 AM

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I will log tomorrow and see how my offmeta sorc is doing after the patch

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If she still oneshots bosses then i quess i AM fine

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But gonna delete all my legacy chars

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Might aswell forget they existed

mighty wing Apr 3, 2025, 7:22 AM

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bro its not that deep, next week you will be drowning in op builds and bitches again

radiant wraith Apr 3, 2025, 7:23 AM

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All of my builds are dead except 2 trolls xD

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I am fine

tight zenith Apr 3, 2025, 7:34 AM

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dude with the amount of multiplicative damage reduction this patch i dont think we'll even be doing 20% of what we were

sturdy sable Apr 3, 2025, 7:35 AM

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Their goal is 500k

tight zenith Apr 3, 2025, 7:35 AM

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i think the top end will still be in the millions no doubt but

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the non-meta builds seem to be absolutely cooked

radiant wraith Apr 3, 2025, 7:38 AM

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Shock still op

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Still no idea how fire spell on hit on sok is gonna work

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IT says spell

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Shotting fireballa in melee?

tight zenith Apr 3, 2025, 7:42 AM

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tight zenith the non-meta builds seem to be absolutely cooked

like curse effectiveness is 30% reduced, a lot of skills are 20% reduced, 12 less jewels on the tree (if they remove the innermost sockets against the darkness and time-lost jewels will be worthless), against the darkness is medium radius, many ascendancies are 10-30% nerfed, ailments are 30% nerfed, ingenuity is piss nerfed, many unique items and stats are too, breach rings 10% nerfed

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and thats just the stuff i could find

radiant wraith Apr 3, 2025, 7:43 AM

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Shock isn't really nerfed

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Pump that magnitude

rich raft Apr 3, 2025, 7:43 AM

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radiant wraith Shock isn't really nerfed

But spark was. And cast on shock was. And archways was.

tight zenith Apr 3, 2025, 7:44 AM

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tight zenith and thats just the stuff i could find

like if 3 stats (lets say spell damage, critical strike chance, and skill base scaling) are all nerfed by 20%, thats apprx 50% less damage in the end

radiant wraith Apr 3, 2025, 7:44 AM

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I literally dont see a difference on bossdmg between my 5k mana sorc and 1.5 k mana sorc

tight zenith Apr 3, 2025, 7:45 AM

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and there's way more than 3 "things" getting nerfed, often more than 20%, sometimes less

rich raft Apr 3, 2025, 7:45 AM

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And we’re yet to see what the nerf is to the dmg on the skill gem itself

radiant wraith Apr 3, 2025, 7:45 AM

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Will test after patch

tight zenith Apr 3, 2025, 7:45 AM

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rich raft And we’re yet to see what the nerf is to the dmg on the skill gem itself

^

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i really hope they actually thoroughly tested these changes, cuz the way it looks now normal builds simply will not be able to clear maps, especially with survivability nerfs

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why they nerfed survivability ? i dont fucking know

elder mural Apr 3, 2025, 7:46 AM

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They didnt touch armour and life... so ES and Evasion are still the best ?

radiant wraith Apr 3, 2025, 7:47 AM

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Its hard to consider Spark archmage a normal build

tight zenith Apr 3, 2025, 7:47 AM

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they outright removed grim feast, so es will not be nearly as good as it was before

radiant wraith Apr 3, 2025, 7:47 AM

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IT literally shits on every other spell if you have like 5ex

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I never had na easier time on a fresh char than just going spark

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Imagine if fireballs had a duration aswell

tight zenith Apr 3, 2025, 7:49 AM

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radiant wraith Its hard to consider Spark archmage a normal build

spark got a 50% projectile count nerf, archmage and eldritch got nerfed too so

mighty wing Apr 3, 2025, 7:49 AM

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actually is the lightning warp build gutted aswell?

tight zenith Apr 3, 2025, 7:49 AM

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if stormweaver is still far and away the best build in the game that would be nuts

elder mural Apr 3, 2025, 7:49 AM

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tight zenith they outright removed grim feast, so es will not be nearly as good as it was bef...

I has like 10k es ssf without grimfest on couple toon grimfeast is just a bonus. It’s hard to get 5k life

tight zenith Apr 3, 2025, 7:49 AM

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elder mural I has like 10k es ssf without grimfest on couple toon grimfeast is just a bonus....

its almost impossible to get 5k life

radiant wraith Apr 3, 2025, 7:50 AM

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Gemling

tight zenith Apr 3, 2025, 7:50 AM

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you need the helmet that removes your resistances to even get close

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or gemling strength stacker yea (lol)

radiant wraith Apr 3, 2025, 7:50 AM

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Well

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With sok should be easy to just go 90% res

elder mural Apr 3, 2025, 7:50 AM

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I understand that, that’s why im saying ES et evasion is still bis if they didnt change something else

radiant wraith Apr 3, 2025, 7:51 AM

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And you can convert armor into chaos Res aswell

tight zenith Apr 3, 2025, 7:51 AM

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elder mural I understand that, that’s why im saying ES et evasion is still bis if they didnt...

yea i think ur right

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evasion will probably be best imo

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shame they 0.5x-ed qotf

radiant wraith Apr 3, 2025, 7:51 AM

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Evasion block might be interesting if doable

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Evasion block and some es

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But with 90% res will you even need much HP anyway?

elder mural Apr 3, 2025, 7:53 AM

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Monkey slam doesnt care about res

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Most lf the slam are phys

mighty wing Apr 3, 2025, 7:54 AM

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can any bigbrain crossbow user tell me if explosive shot is viable to use by itself

radiant wraith Apr 3, 2025, 7:54 AM

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Its enough for clearing trash on maps

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Not that ammazing on its own on bosses

mighty wing Apr 3, 2025, 7:55 AM

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but if it were to be used in a ballista build?

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do we still need something else for bossing

radiant wraith Apr 3, 2025, 7:55 AM

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Then that might be fine

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I used stormfrost bolts and banners on bosses aswell

mighty wing Apr 3, 2025, 7:56 AM

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yeah banners would be included atleast aswell

radiant wraith Apr 3, 2025, 7:56 AM

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Explosive shot is nice with scattershot and +aoe

mighty wing Apr 3, 2025, 7:56 AM

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maybe cluster with the buffs now?

radiant wraith Apr 3, 2025, 7:56 AM

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Starts oneshotting packs eventually

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You need a crossbow with +1 and double Barrel support

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And its useable

mighty wing Apr 3, 2025, 7:57 AM

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cluster grenades?

radiant wraith Apr 3, 2025, 7:57 AM

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I actually used oil

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But to me IT seems like a twin of molten strike

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One hits hard but slow af and the other hits instantly but shitty DMG xD

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Also idk if they forgot or not

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But sok Has " fire spell on hit "

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Its not " on melee hit "

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Will IT trigger with literally every hit ?

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Crossbow warrior when ?

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Sorc warrior when ?

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Noe i remember

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Poe1 runesmith axe

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So i quess you just get a gem and you socket spell/spells there

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Lolz

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That's why the new unique mace requires 200 int

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You literally go battlemage warrior with this

olive summit Apr 3, 2025, 8:06 AM

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hey deadeye buddies i need some help. now that patch notes are out what do we think will be a good endgame build?

undone pelican Apr 3, 2025, 8:06 AM

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There's that lich ascendency node that prevents life from changing if you have energy shield. What if you take that node and then take CI? Will life still change to 1?
Is the conversion of life to es from ghostwrithe considered a change?

radiant wraith Apr 3, 2025, 8:06 AM

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I think ci overrides this

distant dome Apr 3, 2025, 8:07 AM

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olive summit hey deadeye buddies i need some help. now that patch notes are out what do we th...

Bonestorm :p

radiant wraith Apr 3, 2025, 8:07 AM

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Molten strike XD

olive summit Apr 3, 2025, 8:08 AM

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did deadeye get hit that hard?

radiant wraith Apr 3, 2025, 8:08 AM

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Nah

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Just rods

distant dome Apr 3, 2025, 8:08 AM

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You might be able to run bonestorm without scattershot, avoiding the scattershot nerf to everyone else’s bonestorm

radiant wraith Apr 3, 2025, 8:08 AM

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Clear still okay just no Boss dmg

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But deadeye is fast so you can dodge boss

olive summit Apr 3, 2025, 8:09 AM

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wtf is bonestorm

radiant wraith Apr 3, 2025, 8:10 AM

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Its that witch skill

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I think deadeye will be okay

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Just less Boss dmg

mighty wing Apr 3, 2025, 8:11 AM

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radiant wraith Sorc warrior when ?

this was one idea i had

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but its not every hit

radiant wraith Apr 3, 2025, 8:11 AM

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It literally says "onhit"

mighty wing Apr 3, 2025, 8:11 AM

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its energy based

olive summit Apr 3, 2025, 8:11 AM

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is lightning arrow still good or is it a good idea to look at other skills?

mighty wing Apr 3, 2025, 8:11 AM

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they said that in the interview

radiant wraith Apr 3, 2025, 8:12 AM

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But i quess you still need int to actually equip skill gem

mighty wing Apr 3, 2025, 8:12 AM

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you could have gone full int

radiant wraith Apr 3, 2025, 8:12 AM

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I already did on one of my warriors

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He looks great in sorc armor

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Like some africa weed shaman

mighty wing Apr 3, 2025, 8:12 AM

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😄

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luckily the game doesnt rlly show our characters

radiant wraith Apr 3, 2025, 8:13 AM

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Also

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Witch and sorc with 2 maces are cute

mighty wing Apr 3, 2025, 8:13 AM

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olive summit is lightning arrow still good or is it a good idea to look at other skills?

pretty sure yes

radiant wraith Apr 3, 2025, 8:13 AM

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So this warrior

wooden haven Apr 3, 2025, 8:14 AM

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So they straight Up nerfed all Meta skills into oblivion right?

radiant wraith Apr 3, 2025, 8:14 AM

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Its like having perma active fire-cast on shock

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Correct

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They even nerfed non meta like flameblast

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Or Infinite comet spam infernalist

mighty wing Apr 3, 2025, 8:15 AM

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yeah that was a hard one:D

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rlly catched a stray on that

radiant wraith Apr 3, 2025, 8:16 AM

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I quess some unique will totally fix flameblast?

wooden haven Apr 3, 2025, 8:16 AM

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I enjoyed archmage Spark but with 50% archmage Nerf and 50% proj amount Nerf idk

radiant wraith Apr 3, 2025, 8:16 AM

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I believe IT might still be atleast good

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Atleast on my offmeta sorc

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I literally just stack magnitude there

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I have like 400%

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Or more idk

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Spark might be fixed with + proj and wildshards tho

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Passives for more projectiles chance actually interesting now

mighty wing Apr 3, 2025, 8:20 AM

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lightning warp looking juicy even after nerfs

radiant wraith Apr 3, 2025, 8:20 AM

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Propably gonna start sorc to farm cash

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Cant wait to test that sorcerer warrior tho

mighty wing Apr 3, 2025, 8:21 AM

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got kinda upset about the build since there isint that many great fire spells for it to use

radiant wraith Apr 3, 2025, 8:21 AM

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Fireball or fusillade

mighty wing Apr 3, 2025, 8:22 AM

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if you can socket it for example scattershot fireball then it could be nuts

radiant wraith Apr 3, 2025, 8:22 AM

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Yeah

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And then you also use fireball right?

mighty wing Apr 3, 2025, 8:23 AM

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but if its just a random spell its kinda meh

radiant wraith Apr 3, 2025, 8:23 AM

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Helmet to double supportd

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And you have 2 x triple fireballs

mighty wing Apr 3, 2025, 8:23 AM

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radiant wraith And then you also use fireball right?

pretty sure you just need 2 gems

radiant wraith Apr 3, 2025, 8:23 AM

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Well also wildshards

unreal girder Apr 3, 2025, 8:23 AM

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So deadeye with the frenzy nodes is the way to go for spears right?

mighty wing Apr 3, 2025, 8:24 AM

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unreal girder So deadeye with the frenzy nodes is the way to go for spears right?

actually didnt even remember deadeye having those:D

unreal girder Apr 3, 2025, 8:24 AM

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Its very good for spears

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Plus tailwind is unnerfed somehow

radiant wraith Apr 3, 2025, 8:24 AM

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Tailwind is shitty in melee

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You will be losing all stacks every second

mighty wing Apr 3, 2025, 8:24 AM

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you could just play range spear

radiant wraith Apr 3, 2025, 8:24 AM

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Unless you just go full range spear

unreal girder Apr 3, 2025, 8:24 AM

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Yeah Im going range spear

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Fuck melee xd

radiant wraith Apr 3, 2025, 8:25 AM

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Yeah fuck melee

mighty wing Apr 3, 2025, 8:25 AM

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endless munitions could work well with spears aswell

radiant wraith Apr 3, 2025, 8:25 AM

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Sorcerer Smith incoming

unreal girder Apr 3, 2025, 8:26 AM

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mighty wing endless munitions could work well with spears aswell

Not rly

radiant wraith Apr 3, 2025, 8:26 AM

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Nah

mighty wing Apr 3, 2025, 8:26 AM

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whys that?

radiant wraith Apr 3, 2025, 8:26 AM

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Bow only

unreal girder Apr 3, 2025, 8:26 AM

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mighty wing whys that?

Because it wont make you throw more spears

radiant wraith Apr 3, 2025, 8:26 AM

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Its " arrows " not " projectiles

mighty wing Apr 3, 2025, 8:27 AM

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its extra projectiles

unreal girder Apr 3, 2025, 8:27 AM

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No its proj

mighty wing Apr 3, 2025, 8:27 AM

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i might be wrong tho

unreal girder Apr 3, 2025, 8:27 AM

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But, spears have a line that makes +proj only apply to secondary effectw

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So you wont be chucking multiple spears

mighty wing Apr 3, 2025, 8:28 AM

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ohh

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would it throw the "lightning" effect tho

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or any element

gaunt mortar Apr 3, 2025, 8:28 AM

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If it does anything it Will work like crossbows and scattershot

radiant wraith Apr 3, 2025, 8:28 AM

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That actually sounds interesting now

gaunt mortar Apr 3, 2025, 8:29 AM

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And it would certainly increase projectiles from a skill

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Maybe not the spear itself but the bolts will have more projectiles

mighty wing Apr 3, 2025, 8:29 AM

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yeah

unreal girder Apr 3, 2025, 8:29 AM

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It works on stuff like the secondary proj from loghtning spear

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But that goes from 10 to 11

radiant wraith Apr 3, 2025, 8:30 AM

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That's why ppl never used scattershot on spark

mighty wing Apr 3, 2025, 8:30 AM

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it actually might still be better than the frenzy charges tho

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since you cant get the infusion node from amazon

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hear me out tho

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MULTISPECCING

radiant wraith Apr 3, 2025, 8:31 AM

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Depends how strong accuracy crit + infusion on Amazon will be

unreal girder Apr 3, 2025, 8:31 AM

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Amazon feels squishy

radiant wraith Apr 3, 2025, 8:31 AM

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She also exploits bosses HP bar

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Might be good now that we will deal no damage to bosses

split heart Apr 3, 2025, 8:33 AM

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Do you guys think Spark still possible to play ?

unreal girder Apr 3, 2025, 8:33 AM

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Honestly with how much they gutted surviability

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Witch hunter looks good

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Like you can easily get like a 6-7k shield endgame

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Or like 4k with cloak of flame

radiant wraith Apr 3, 2025, 8:35 AM

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yeah

unreal girder Apr 3, 2025, 8:37 AM

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Anyway, deadeye seems like the safest start overall

You can pivot to spear/bow/xbow easily, whichever ends up better

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And tailwind is the best thing ever, esp now with Rhoa

marble nymph Apr 3, 2025, 8:38 AM

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unreal girder And tailwind is the best thing ever, esp now with Rhoa

Why is rhoa good?

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I don't get the hype tbh

unreal girder Apr 3, 2025, 8:39 AM

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Speed

mighty wing Apr 3, 2025, 8:39 AM

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unreal girder Honestly with how much they gutted surviability

this is why am gona start sok

unreal girder Apr 3, 2025, 8:39 AM

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Whats sok

mighty wing Apr 3, 2025, 8:39 AM

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smith of kitava

unreal girder Apr 3, 2025, 8:39 AM

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Ah

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Yeah def

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I just dont like left side

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So many good ms nodes on the right

mighty wing Apr 3, 2025, 8:40 AM

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the resistance "conversions" seem so good

unreal girder Apr 3, 2025, 8:41 AM

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Feel like you can make a storm lance spam build with deadeye to work well

mighty wing Apr 3, 2025, 8:41 AM

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they also said the temper weapon isint gona be so as as we saw on that trailer

marble nymph Apr 3, 2025, 8:41 AM

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So what dead eye build is good still?

mighty wing Apr 3, 2025, 8:41 AM

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with only 3 stacks

unreal girder Apr 3, 2025, 8:42 AM

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marble nymph So what dead eye build is good still?

Deadeye can do any proj skill and be great

marble nymph Apr 3, 2025, 8:42 AM

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I heard lighting spiral is but I can't find the exact build

mighty wing Apr 3, 2025, 8:42 AM

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there prolly arent any up yet

unreal girder Apr 3, 2025, 8:45 AM

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Wonder how chase that unique will be that makes enemies count as LL from full

olive summit Apr 3, 2025, 8:46 AM

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i'm gonna level as gas arrow because it still seems good but dunno what to do endgame with

radiant wraith Apr 3, 2025, 8:46 AM

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well thats kinda the point

olive summit Apr 3, 2025, 8:47 AM

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lightning rod nerf seems like it gutted its ability to level with

radiant wraith Apr 3, 2025, 8:47 AM

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noone knows what is gonna be good since they gutted 99 % of good stuff

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so tomorrow we start looking again

unreal girder Apr 3, 2025, 8:47 AM

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Yes and theyre hiding numerical changes for some reason

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So its like stumblimg in the dark again

radiant wraith Apr 3, 2025, 8:48 AM

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smith can cast on hit any fire skill

mighty wing Apr 3, 2025, 8:48 AM

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olive summit i'm gonna level as gas arrow because it still seems good but dunno what to do en...

didnt they nerf gas clouds aswell

unreal girder Apr 3, 2025, 8:48 AM

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They did

radiant wraith Apr 3, 2025, 8:48 AM

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new mace can cast on hit a lightning skill

mighty wing Apr 3, 2025, 8:48 AM

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radiant wraith smith can cast on hit any fire skill

that would be epic

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more molten blasts

radiant wraith Apr 3, 2025, 8:48 AM

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nope

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or maybe