2┃build-planning

[cobalt pollen]

no clue

didn't they say they buffed fireball

[twin sierra]

i assume theyre getting big nerfs

[dawn spire]

You sure you wanna see something that traumatic? Can't unsee that

[cobalt pollen]

or did I imagine it into existence

fire spells are probably getting buffed with new gems existence anyway

and ignite will likely be stronger

[twin sierra]

its probably brutal lol

[dawn spire]

Everything is gonna be so different. Maybe.

[twin sierra]

i can already tell the kitava melee stuff is gonna be very strong tho cuz theres no way they nerf melee/slams… right

i guess u can do anything with that defensive shell tho

[dawn spire]

If I play Kitava I'm doing chaos dot probably

[neat bison]

HoTG may get nerfed but I imagine maces are mostly safe

[twin sierra]

yeah if I find something after patch notes I might try smth more interesting than slams on it for leaguestart

then again slams are so good for leveling and that shit is brutal on fresh start

i heard we arent getting patchnotes b4 thursday, idk if thats true or not

[neat bison]

They said they are still writing them up and maybe doing final changes

So yeah probably

[cobalt pollen]

counting on bleed being cool with the notable that gives you free aggravate if bleed is 4sec or older

but maybe its not as good if spear skills have a way to combo to give you aggravate

[limber lodge]

Man, the more I look at lich hexblast the more I think "ain't no way i'm figuring this mana out without blood magic"

Hexblast is mega expensive and lich is weird as fuck, gotta get life to scale your mana regen and it's hard to scale life

[dawn spire]

They really do be trying to get all this 0.2 stuff pushed out in time so they can justify murdering last epoch in cold blood

[limber lodge]

LE's gonna be fine (🙏)

[dawn spire]

Soooo fine

I really want more chaos dot supports. I'd love to have enough supports to deck out an essence drain for clearing and a second one for bossing (with hourglass)

[limber lodge]

yeah the lack of just... y'know, damage-adding supports hurts pretty bad nr

rn*

[neat bison]

I may be wrong but my reading of that node is that you don’t get the inherent 4% of mana as regen and it’s just instead 6% of life as regen so additional mana regeneration might still scale that?

[limber lodge]

Yeah, it does, this was confirmed

[ember echo]

I just want ED/Contagion to be strong, so nice watching the map clear itself

[dawn spire]

Yeah we basically have controlled destruction, swift affliction, and hourglass

And chaos mastery if you count that

[neat bison]

Nice

[dawn spire]

Str stacking corrupting cry gemling is so insanely good for hcssf, but it's so boring and clunky

If there's a support or unique that removes knockback, though, I'm all in

Just need seismic cry + corrupting cry + pin + no knockback support and then I can finally start using damage supports

Ez

Tactician also looks really good for hcssf. That evasion and armor node looks bonkers

[neat bison]

I noticed the new ascendencies have pretty solid small nodes

[cobalt pollen]

corrupt cry 15% increased str

kitava

[dawn spire]

Yeah, but then I need to get int and dex nodes for my skills

[neat bison]

I imagine they are going to change the old ones in that case

[dawn spire]

Gemling just gets so much str from not needing other stuff

[dawn spire]

It's 20% str and 15% life I think

[cobalt pollen]

maybe I don't invest into giga bleed from stacking warcry empowering bcz I crutch on warcry

who knows

I'm just yapping

[quartz spruce]

I am finally using the weapon skill points 😮

[limber lodge]

Oh btw I tested this in game earlier, in POB controlled destruction incorrectly shows higher DoT damage on ED. This is incorrect. I checked the tooltip ingame

[static plinth]

Im 99% sure its a bug with 0 mana cost spells and sigil of power. You can activate it with Blink

[cobalt pollen]

is there a unique body piece or something

[neat bison]

Well there’s just different tags that spells can share with non spells

Element, projectile, area etc.

[cobalt pollen]

a lot of whats near me is attacks

so even if its aoe tag its specifically aoe attack

not aoe spell

not unless I traipse into int str slice

spell on hit will have to be juicy if I'm gonna do stuff like that

[neat bison]

Indeed

You can do it, it’s just a question of if it’s worth it

[cobalt pollen]

they came down with the hammer on trigger gems so hard

[dawn spire]

Wait are you saying that controlled destruction support does not increase the DoT of essence drain?

If so, I think the tooltip ingame might be busted

[tulip fog]

how would you go about getting quality on your ascendancy skills as a ranger?

i assume using gemcutters prisms dont work

[neat bison]

There isn’t a way currently to my knowledge

[tulip fog]

dang

[cobalt pollen]

gem quality on ascend skills might be a thing soon

[neat bison]

I think they touched on this in todays interview but I don’t exactly remember what they said

[cobalt pollen]

they have bonuses related to quality

[neat bison]

Yea just no way to gain them

[cobalt pollen]

gem quality could be "saved" if you respec

[deft agate]

how do i find starter builds on maxroll?

[hidden siren]

would be under leveling

[deft agate]

leveling or twink leveling?

[neat bison]

Normal leveling, believe twink means you have pre-acquired gear

[limber lodge]

Yes, controlled destruction does not increase the DoT of ED.

The ingame tooltip is correct

POB is wrong

(Well, I guess I'm assuming the ingame tooltip is correct and POB is wrong)

[dawn spire]

And the description of essence drain is wrong

[limber lodge]

How? It doesn't say it's an ailment. Controlled destruction says "Hits and ailments"

[dawn spire]

Oh, I'm wrong again. That's what I get for not reading the poe2 version closely enough

I thought CD was spell-specific

How foolish of me

The poe1 controlled destruction is just more spell damage

[limber lodge]

word

[deft agate]

so do u guys use pob or just maxroll, cuz i found some builds on maxroll, but dont know how to import them

[silent cloak]

will the quarterstaff mercenary tempest flurry be viable in new league without the herald stack? i like the look of zooming around with it

[limber lodge]

no one knows bruv hope this helps.

in all seriousness, need patch notes

[limber lodge]

if you want to figure out how to make your build better by tinkering around, you should use pob. so yeah, i use pob.

[flint flume]

How much energy generation do you get from maces right now? Would a cast on hit build using a mace be too slow?

[vernal falcon]

Do we know if were getting patch notes on pre-download, or on release day?

[limber lodge]

patch notes likely thursday new zealand time which is wednesday USA time (JR and Mark said this on Darth MTX/Ghazzy's stream. But maybe friday NZ/thursday US.

[neon stump]

does anyone know why does the node first approach on my passive skill tree have no effect but for the build guide there is?

[dusty horizon]

what do you guys think of melting maelstrom with the new huntress ascendancy? Life flasks recover mana + mana flasks recover life ascendancy node could be pretty spicy

[atomic halo]

do you have full life ticked

bet you dont

[atomic halo]

the recover all doesnt work yk

[olive wasp]

Smith looks good but mace skills are slow, spear skills look slow, can't go spells in str starting area, minion AI sucks, i dunno what to put on it

[vernal falcon]

Anyone know if theres a list of rare mobs modifiers?

[dawn spire]

"can't go spells in str starting area" my ass

[dawn spire]

If it's anywhere it would be on poe2db.tw

[vernal falcon]

one of the stronger builds started in merc and went up to the top lightning nodes by witch/sorc lmfao

[dawn spire]

I'm pondering a chaos dot Smith

[vernal falcon]

What beasts would you guys say might go hard with the new merc ascendancy with tame beast

thinking maybe the one in the starting area that shoots a ton of spines, if each spine gets 25% of my weapon damage

[static plinth]

Ill have to annoy you once the patch comes out to see how its going, sounds interesting

I presume you're going hard into Dark Effigy since you're in totem area?

[neon stump]

yah you got it right thank you very much

[high rivet]

what are the current theorycrafts for lich

[cinder raven]

I made a pobb but it's on my pc at home,
I can explain my build tho

[high rivet]

id love to hear it

[cinder raven]

It's a non minion build

[high rivet]

intriguing

does it stack health or mana?

[cinder raven]

Es

[high rivet]

es is good too

[cinder raven]

And power charges

[high rivet]

you think you can keep up with the power charges?

[cinder raven]

So I'm gonna do a cast on ignite setup

The energy gainer will gain power charges as well,
Comet will consume charges

OK conduit snipers mark looks bad for power charge gen because of the cooldown

Well I can discard power charge stacking ig

Well I was planning on using prayers for rain with a lot of es to be tanky

[ember parrot]

ES may get nerfed though.

[cinder raven]

That way a lot of things can change

I'm just theory crafting under the guise nothing changes

[ember parrot]

They did anounce that 0.2 will be a big balance change

[cinder raven]

So im assuming life stacking will get better

Well anyways even max es gets nerfed by 25% it's still gonna be good

More than that and I'm not sure

Or they could nerf only grim feast

[twin sierra]

id be very surprised if es wasnt quite abit better still for topside builds

[potent swift]

So tempted to build a Leonidas warrior with spear and shield. Surely it gotta work

[dawn spire]

I don't see why it wouldn't

all classes can use all skills and gear

[cinder raven]

But honestly does ggg expect us to Parry and do some elden ring dodges in endgame content?

[woven depot]

they don’t really expect anything generally, they give you a ton of toys and you get to decide what you want do with them

They do however expect us to eventually trivialise everything despite their best efforts

[uncut nexus]

wat enemy should i be spectre binding

[mighty wing]

non, fuck minion builds

[manic jungle]

does this work on backbar only?

a fully prebuffed unearth should apply full wither stacks fairly quickly?

[manic jungle]

i tested it for a while and the wither only built on the minion weapon setup

[honest hollow]

new to poe and working on tcing a minion build for lich right now. are most prefixes on rings just dead stats for minions? it looks like the only usable one is mana rn

[manic jungle]

I dont have a full prebuff setup with +minion on the weapons and +minion on the unearth skillgem so it might just appear total shit to me before I give it a proper test, but it doesnt even come close to just using a chiming staff + summon sacrifice

[honest hollow]

i heard about ventors for infernalist and it looks good. only problem is thati dont know if the statline is something i actually want for just 20 spirit

[manic jungle]

https://poe2.ninja/builds/standard/character/Khrest-2283/Ting_Witch?i=0&search=skills%3DSkeletal%2BSniper%26sort%3Dehp

[honest hollow]

im looking for good mana regen%, max mana, and generalized res which unfortunately ventors only hits 1 out of 3 of those

[manic jungle]

stats are good it's just cost. it's a late game addition to finish the build off

[honest hollow]

i still need to solve the mana deficit though =/

outside of ring/ammy there are not too many sources for that in gear no?

also have 0 interest in rarity stat, especially since its getting nerfed

[manic jungle]

what mana deficit

detonate dead is basically free

[manic jungle]

that's not doing anything

[honest hollow]

wym? is there confirmation that its current mana or something?

[manic jungle]

they said today

[static torrent]

Mark2 didn't know and was saying it based on the wording, Mark1 and Viper have talked about it and it's 5% of maximum.

[honest hollow]

thanks for the info!

looks like i will have to think about ways to deal with the mana drain

not really feeling the value/cost of ventors personally

[manic jungle]

they mispoke this afternoon then

[static torrent]

Rather, as I said, Mark2 wasn't sure and was saying that if the wording doesn't say 'maximum', it should be current, which is also apparently not quite right.

I'd link to the exact moment but I don't believe it's been posted on Youtube yet, so it's harder to track down.

[old shuttle]

8 hours til patch HMMM

[static torrent]

No?

[old shuttle]

isnt it normally 3 days prior

notes i mean not patch

[static torrent]

I think they said the patch notes are coming a bit later since they're still working on the patch, but also, I've seen a few people assuming patch was on the 2nd for some reason.

[vernal falcon]

People are saying it's the 3rd in uh new Zealand time or w/e, which makes it the 2nd NA time

[gaunt mortar]

patch is the 4th

notes are thursday possibly tomorrow

[uncut nexus]

does eye of winter count as exposure

[limber lodge]

no. unless you support it with cold exposure and it crits

[daring jay]

they said patchnotes are likely to come thursday NZ time, so that would mean wednesday for the rest of us

the 2nd should be patchnotes

could also be today if we are lucky

[uncut nexus]

does having the "you can use multiple curse at once" tag means we can stack same curse 2x+?

like we can spam 2 inflammability

or it must be different type

[static torrent]

It's an additional curse, so it must be a different type.

[distant dome]

To a boss, yeah. On random mobbing… they need more movespeed.

One problem I ran into was half the unearth minions wouldn’t attack the boss due to body blocking each other. Would still work for fast stacking wither on a boss, but bleh.

The fastest way to stack wither is Eye of Winter + some form of gain chaos damage + wither support gem + unleash. Full stacks it in one cast.

[broken nexus]

Wither on effigy worked kinda neat for my chaos witch

You dot em up and it's a machinegun turret

[limber lodge]

Kinda nice for people that were supporting Eye of Winter with Extraction, that with Lich if you go Necromantic Infusion for 30% added damage as extra chaos, you can save Extraction for Hexblast, which is a better damage link than chaos mastery.

[distant dome]

When you have other sources of extra chaos damage, extraction becomes one of the few “additive” support damage gems right?

[limber lodge]

Yep it's additive with all other forms of Damage taken as extra X

So like stacking Ming's hearts with necromantic infusion and also extraction you start to hit some diminishing returns -- just like you hit diminishing returns with stacking spell damage% or whatever

[distant dome]

Yeah, it’s why I skipped it with Dark Defiler. Drop in the bucket damage gain compared to other gems that were multis

[limber lodge]

Reasonable

[dawn spire]

When you corrupt an item with an implicit and it grants a new corrupted mod, does that replace the implicit or add a new line?

I know it replaces it in poe1

But idk how it works in poe2

[static torrent]

Corrupted mods are now enchantments, so no, the implicit stays.

[cinder raven]

Are you on full mana with blood magic?

And are you on 1 mana or 0 mana?

[static torrent]

You are neither at full or low Mana, you just have no Mana.

[jagged wave]

Has anyone thought what would be the best ascendancy for good ole lightning javazon build on friday? I was thinking of amazon, but seeing it is lightning, couldn't invoker work too?

[limber lodge]

yep but oddly gaining stages in sigil of power works. So it seems like the game treats you as having 0 max mana Rather than a true null value

[plain matrix]

are there any Ignite Builds in PoE2 ?

[opaque bluff]

Incinerate is actually pretty good, especially early

[hearty whale]

Whats the current "best" way for Monks to generate Charges?

Currently I'm using a combo of Palm and Lingering Illusion

[wicked tiger]

combat frenzy and resonance

[hearty whale]

using a lightning only build, i rarely get charges through that unfortunately

[wicked tiger]

you can use the electrocute and neural overload gems to trigger electrocute

otherwise, you can also do cast on crit, profane ritual

[cinder raven]

How will it work with lich ascendancy node which gives unholy might?

Since you aren't on low mana you will have unholy might?

[static torrent]

Hypothetically, it should work that way, yes.

[limber lodge]

correct. at least, presumably

[cinder raven]

Hmm that's cool

[limber lodge]

Hm, that's worth tinkering with..

[wicked tiger]

thats what I use

works nicely

though doesn't work on bosses well

which is when i switch to resonance, combat frenzy and electrocute

[plain matrix]

why not switch to RF

[limber lodge]

Hmmmmm this is interesting.

Contagion with Chaotic Freeze support + Resonance keystone may be a solid and easy way to get power charges on Lich

Just gotta get a lower level combat frenzy since that's a pretty stiff dex req

[dawn spire]

I'm trying to think of a way to make Smith of Kitava with chaos dot stronger than corrupting cry gemling and I'm struggling

It's hard to seamlessly meld your defense and your offense together like that outside of str stacking and mana stacking

[heavy wigeon]

I wish fast warrior levelling wasn't a pain

[round escarp]

perfect strike

[heavy wigeon]

what level do you get it

[round escarp]

like level 4 or so. Warrior won the race iirc

[heavy wigeon]

[static torrent]

Honestly, out of all the classes I've levelled, it's been easiest with a Mace-wielding Warrior

[heavy wigeon]

I seem to not know what I'm talking about

[static torrent]

I'm sure it can't match up with the broken builds in endgame, but at least in campaign, there's zero issues with it in my experience

[heavy wigeon]

I just remember the wind up of attacks taking long and I'd get stunned

rolling slam iirc

[round escarp]

Using perfect strike for bosses and finding a skill to clear with should allow you to move through the campain pretty fast

[heavy wigeon]

what was the setup that the world first fast guy used

[round escarp]

if you want to see a warrior player at their peak. Go check out carn on youtube

he does a few leveling guides iirc

[heavy wigeon]

🧎‍♂️

ty

I don't see his levelling guide

[tulip fog]

assuming 75% all elemental res and 53% chaos res, does these stats look decent enough defensively? considering i dont have any regen or leech

[round escarp]

Carnarius is the guy sorry not carn

names are so similar

[heavy wigeon]

np

[limber lodge]

For a "normal" ES build you want to plan on like 9k ES at level 90 in PoB with a solid 750+ ES body armor. 6k ES is fine for some mapping but you'll definitely start dying at some point like t7-t10 maps. Unless you have tons of DR from somewhere else, and max res and such.

[heavy wigeon]

I'm assuming I shouldn't copy what the act 1-3 race guys did because they didn't 4-6

I just want to get to maps day 1 and on a tanky build

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dlJtKev5zmM

[tulip fog]

i am currently running T11's with these stats, which is at lvl 82, the stats i showed in the screenshot above is for lvl 95

a majority of my ES comes from Ghostwrithe

[limber lodge]

Are you dying?

[tulip fog]

uhh, sometimes, its rare, but it does happen from time to time, almost exclusively when i run rare maps (non-juiced)

if i were to try to replace the ghostwrithe with a high es body armor even this would not be enough, 750 es is still ~450 es too little compared to ghostwrithe

[limber lodge]

Aight, well to your question, no, I doubt 6k ES is "enough" (which I take to mean "for t16 maps") without like I said DR from somewhere else.

Ghostwrithe isn't a bad item or anything I'm not trying to get you off of it necessarily.

Jewels can help w/ ES, and it's pretty plentiful on the tree.

But I wouldn't terribly worry about it, if at your current point in progression you're not dying "too much" (for your own personal preferences) then just keep going and if you find yourself dying maybe respec your tree to get more ES.

You can also get a solid amount of ES from a Focus offhand

[tulip fog]

i am considering whether i should swap out one of my supports for Energy Barrier

i cannot use an offhand unfortunately

[limber lodge]

unique staff?

[tulip fog]

its like 70% of my dps

[limber lodge]

Yeah I mean, if you find yourself dying swapping a wand and focus is the way to go. But if you're not dying right now, like I said, I wouldn't worry about it.

[tulip fog]

what do you think about energy barrier? with a 1.3 second ES recharge delay, and enough recharge rate, could it work?

of course that'd only trigger if i get stunned

[quartz spruce]

I do juiced T16 with 2k es and evasion. Rarely die. Like once every 4 or 5.

[tulip fog]

thats with evasion, i do not have any evasion or armor

[limber lodge]

When you're blasting and getting tons of ES overflow and have a bunch of evasion then yeah that's all you need lol. Grim feast is nuts

[tulip fog]

do you think i should dump some of the es recharge/es recharge delay nodes i have planned and get more ES% nodes then?

[hidden siren]

should wait and see how deep the es changes are

[tulip fog]

i guess that's valid

i just hope ghostwrithe dont get gutted too hard

[hidden siren]

most u should do rn is to plan out a flexible build

[tulip fog]

honestly, if ghostwrithe is heavily gutted i dont know what to do instead, id need a chest armor with multiple best-in-slot ES rolls to compete

[limber lodge]

Well the thing is, a rare chest doesn't only give you ES. It also gives you resistances or whatever, which frees up your suffixes on other pieces of gear to get damage (like cast speed on rings or +spell levels on amulet). Then swapping your staff to a wand+focus wouldn't feel as bad, and you can pretty easily get 150+ ES from a focus, along with damage mods.

you can also get increased ES% on jewels. How many jewels do you have in your tree? Are they any good?

(You can also get Spirit on a chest if there's another Reservation skill that would benefit you)

Also, you're using Grim Feast right? Because that shit is insane. (And probably about to be nerfed into the ground tbh. We'll see)

[hidden siren]

best thing to do rn is plan ur skill tree to have a lot more defensive nodes

[tulip fog]

i have +3 spell levels on amulet and 20% cast speed on one ring already

[limber lodge]

My current PoB for leaguestart has 8723 ES at level 70 w/ a rare ES chest

[tulip fog]

i got 5 jewels on my tree, all with damage focus

[limber lodge]

5 jewels with 18% ES each is 90% inc ES. That's a ton

[tulip fog]

each of my 5 jewels gives me

[tulip fog]

right now i have split my defensive nodes between energy shield recharge speed, energy recharge delay and energy shield % nodes, im considering if i should move some of the recharge related ones over to ES %

[hidden siren]

my plan is to go a decent amount of es nodes and shield nodes to hit my breakpoints for acrobatics

planning on going the ritualist to get that extra ring and boosted stats

so i should be comfortable on resists

im ignoring es completely, didnt use it in current league and only really getting one shot a few times

[tulip fog]

moving some points around i could get this

instead of this

with the same amount of points and gear

notice the changes to recharge delay and rate

would the drop in recharge rate and the increased delay be worth the extra ES?

[limber lodge]

Just try it and see if you like it. But yes 1.31 recharge delay is MEGA fast. IMO 2 seconds is sufficient to feel good

2.5 seconds even

[tulip fog]

okay

[sterile spade]

What class performs better with bow/crossbow? Ranger or Mercenary?

[quartz spruce]

What kinda build you wanna do?

Hit? Ele? Dot? etc

[atomic halo]

bow is dex, ranger is dex, merc is dex str, crossbow is dex str

that's it

doesnt mean you cant diverge ofc

[quartz spruce]

But theres a ton of deadeye builds that will our perform a witchhunter for example

[atomic halo]

just that its the most simple and easy way

[quartz spruce]

Also, we just don't know yet for this 0.2 😦

[atomic halo]

to follow attr reqs

[quartz spruce]

Patch notes on April Fools day leggo

[atomic halo]

thats why i only mentioned the attr

[quartz spruce]

:(((((((((

[last horizon]

they're coming out today?

lol

[hidden siren]

yeah armor is being nerfed jonathan said its too strong. patch notes also says that ig you dont have over 100 mf u cant find loot

[last horizon]

I heard Chaos Inocculation is only available now behind a new passive: Matter over Mind...

[hybrid rapids]

Can't believe they finally added Magic Lose so we lose loot from our stash each time we kill a mob, truly revolutionary

[hidden siren]

if u plan on using a similar build to ur current one and didnt use a build guide i suggest getting ur skill tree imported onto a site before the update bc itll reset and refund all ur skill points

[dawn spire]

if I;

• have a max curse limit of 1
• use blasphemy with curse A
• use impending doom support with curse B
• and use curse B on enemies that are blasphemied with curse A...

Will curse B immediately be overwritten by the blashemy-A curse and trigger doom blast?

[static plinth]

We're not going to be able to cast spells from mounts right?

[half dagger]

dont think so 😦

[dawn spire]

bonus question - is there any way to gain damage from your evasion or armor?

Lots of ways to get damage from accuracy, mana, and life

but I can't find anything for armor or evasion

[dawn spire]

if I overwrite a hex supported by decaying hex, does the DoT also end?

[limber lodge]

I doubt anybody knwos the answer to this/that anyone has tested it

[dawn spire]

yeah, I just patched my game

science time

[limber lodge]

pls science this too because i'm curious

[dawn spire]

aye aye

[dawn spire]

ok, it's weird

If you hex + impending doom an enemy **while **they're affected by a blasphemy curse:

No impending doom pop.
BUT, you still apply decaying hex.

SImilarly, if you curse them with impending doom and **then **walk near them for blasphemy to overwrite, you will trigger the impending doom pop and decaying hex will not be removed

so decaying hex and impending doom have very different functionality it seems

so that kills my easy impending doom strat

but makes me very curious about decaying hex

it's unfortunate that I want to put impending doom and decaying hex on the same curse

because otherwise I could have one curse for decaying hex + chaotic freeze

if I want an enemy's chaos resistance to be affected by despair, do I want to overwrite with despair?

or put impending doom on the non-despair curse?

fuckin rip, can't even put chaotic freeze into a curse slot, even if it's supported by decaying hex

I want my money back

[main spear]

I need to decide what to play by Friday ugh lol

[limber lodge]

The below was fascinating, wowie.

[limber lodge]

Hear me out, hear me out... you spread the impending doom hex with contagion, then you walk over them with blasphemy and pop it

[dawn spire]

walking over stuff doesn't sound very hcssf friendly

[limber lodge]

well sure but why even mess with blasphemy then lol

[dawn spire]

cuz I can make it gigundo

oh

I see

I'm high

[limber lodge]

just a thought idk, impending doom would need to be pretty darn strong to be worth it

[dawn spire]

it deals damage equal to 15% of your mana

so it can be really nuts

current mana*

My new plan is currently a mana stacking infernalist

with MoM

so I can take all the 25% reservation nodes with basically no downside

and one of them is 1 mana for every 6 max life

[limber lodge]

damn wow ok that is potentially an absurdly high base damage... 6k mana 900 damage?bruh hexblast avg damage at 20 is like 480

[winged rain]

you can just use cursed ground and it can detonate at will

you sacrifice a gem slot though

[dawn spire]

also infernalist gives 1 max es per 8 max life. Assuming about 2k life minimum, that's 250 mana from ES from life and 333 mana from life

[dawn spire]

don't you need cursed ground and spell echo/unleash?

[limber lodge]

so despair, impending doom, cursed ground, unit walks out of the cursed ground area and detonates? That's the loop?

oh no you just spam it

i see

[winged rain]

you can also just recast it

[dawn spire]

the loop I know of is impending doom + cursed ground and when you cast it it auto-detonates

[winged rain]

but yea, if a mob walks out, it also detonates

[dawn spire]

and then you also get inc area

from echo

[winged rain]

spell cascade or echo will cause it to autodetonate,

[dawn spire]

I'm thinking of doing just two manual curses tho

[winged rain]

but that's another gem

[dawn spire]

oh, wait, activation delay

hmm

[winged rain]

yea you want ground to remove the delay

[dawn spire]

hm. I wonder

if the cursed ground would make impending doom pop immediately if you targeted blasphemied mobs

testing

[limber lodge]

"Deals chaos damage in an area around the previously cursed enemy"

So if you curse them with despair presumably they don't take extra damage from despair

[dawn spire]

yeah I'm trying to figure out a way to test that, too

[limber lodge]

This would definitely be fine if you had +1 curse, which you probably want anyway

[dawn spire]

no, you'd want 1 max

[limber lodge]

wasn't the original point of having 1 max being to pop impending doom? With cursed ground we get to pop impending doom for free, so that's not an issue anymore

[dawn spire]

you only pop it for free if you use it twice

[limber lodge]

yeah i know, spell echo we gucci

[dawn spire]

ew

ok, new weird curse knowledge

if you curse an enemy with cursed ground, then overwrite the curse, the enemy will NOT become recursed by the ground, even if you're not in blasphemy range

I put down ground -> cursed enemy -> walked near to pop it -> left -> enemy was standing in ground with no curse on it

also cursed ground still doesn't make the second curse pop impending doom on a blasphemied enemy

[winged rain]

what do you mean?

[dawn spire]

bonus fun fact:
If you are blasheming an enemy and use curse + cursed ground, not only will they NOT get cursed by the second one, but when you walk away they will never get cursed by the ground

[winged rain]

if you just want doom to pop, don't use blasphemy. only use cursed ground

[dawn spire]

it seems like the cursed ground only has one shot to curse a mob and it's when it first enters the zone

I know, I'm just testing

to see if blasphemy + cursed ground did anything neat

and it kinda did

[limber lodge]

interesting

[dawn spire]

oh, it's not forever

but they need to leave and re-enter the cursed ground

this is so weird

[winged rain]

that's a bit weird, cause other ground effects are instantly reapplied

[dawn spire]

yeah, not cursed ground apparently

too abusable with hexblast I imagine

now to test whether I should have despair in the overwrite or the overwritten

[limber lodge]

Quick and dirty calculations, in my current hexblast PoB I would need about 6.2k mana for this 6 link impending doom setup to do as much damage as my 6 link hexblast setup (note that spell echo does not properly calculate dps for impending doom, you have to manually multiple the impending doom dps by 1.4 to get the true number)

And I mean that's a pretty fucking high amount of mana

[winged rain]

yea curses are dumb with how expensive they are

[limber lodge]

But if you were going big dick int stacking tbh i bet you could make this work and be pretty darn good. I kinda wonder why none of these gemling legionnaires on poe2.ninja are doing it, it seems kinda legit

[dawn spire]

why not apply an impending doom curse and remove it with hexblast?

or does that not count as an expiration?

[limber lodge]

i assume it does, but the reason I wouldn't want to do that is why press 2 buttons when I can press 1

[dawn spire]

after slogging through a corrupting cry gemling, I'm starving for more button

[winged rain]

looks like i was wrong, shock is reapplied after about 1s

burning ground is pretty much instant

[dawn spire]

holy shit I think impending doom and hexblast stack

[limber lodge]

wym

[dawn spire]

oh, wait, hmm

I was thinking that hexblast removing a curse will also count for ID expiration

I need to do some more testing

[winged rain]

hmm.. the reapplied shock is dependent on what consumes it

[dawn spire]

hard to tell off of damage alone

[winged rain]

you can easily test it with brutality

[limber lodge]

that's brilliant

[dawn spire]

true

here I was crafting envenom to see if it poisoned

[limber lodge]

but fr i don't see the point in popping an ID curse w/ Hexblast -- not really. Fastest way to pop it is spell echo, and in any case you'd rather just spam whichever spell does more damage

[winged rain]

the only way it would be worth it, is if the curse is applied automatically

[limber lodge]

sure yeah, that'd be a way to save 60 spirit from blasphemy. that'd be quite strong

[dawn spire]

ok, yeah, I put envenom on impending doom and it poisoned stuff. Then I moved it hexblast and it still poisoned stuff

it works both ways

[limber lodge]

neat

[dawn spire]

spell echo is 30% less cast speed. impending doom + curse ground for instant application and then a hexblast for 1-2 punch seems just as fast, if not faster

just at the cost of more button

[winged rain]

you don't need spell echo, just recasting it manually removes the first ground

[dawn spire]

yeah, true

I guess then the idea is to just spam the single button instead of alternating for big pops

hm

[winged rain]

problem is that hexblast consumes the curse, and the ground doesn't reapply it

[limber lodge]

yeah but there aren't that many supports that boost the damage of impending doom, because the support has to be able to support the curse -- so like controlled destruction doesn't work for example, but concentrated effect does

[winged rain]

if ground reapplied, it would be well worth using the combo

[dawn spire]

yeah, for just cursed ground and spam hexblast

[limber lodge]

That'd be legit very strong

[dawn spire]

yeah, it seems like cursed ground impending doom spam is the way

[winged rain]

i'm a bit surprised that doom doesn't add a keyword

[dawn spire]

it kinda does. I can't put envenom on a curse without it

it adds a hit

but decaying hex doesn't let me add chaotic freeze ffs

[winged rain]

then controlled destruction should work then

[limber lodge]

Oh, it does. I musta fucked up earlier

[winged rain]

though, this talk about doom is giving me a really dumb idea

[dawn spire]

that's pretty sweet, actually. since doom has a shitty base crit

[limber lodge]

I'm very confused as to whyExtraction support doesn't work. It just says it "Supports skills" and "doesn't support persistent, minion, or triggered skills"

[dawn spire]

I was almost tempted to go blood mage for the 15% impending doom crit

[limber lodge]

it's fine just eye of winter for crit weakness

[dawn spire]

sacrficing life can make you die if you have less than the amount you're sacrificing, right?

[limber lodge]

my pob is showing 77% crit chance on ID

w/ crit weakness

[limber lodge]

🤷‍♂️

[dawn spire]

time to test

[limber lodge]

what u cookin

[dawn spire]

oh, shit. sacrificing just brings you to 1 life and doesn't kill you

that's massive

now I just need a way to make it work with ID 😦

[winged rain]

i was thinking lich + burden of shadows allows you to just ignore the stupid mana costs and gives you pretty good gain as

which seems really good for doom

[dawn spire]

does it? impending doom doesn't have a cost

[winged rain]

the curse does

[dawn spire]

so idk how that would work

yeah, but idk if that would apply to ID

[winged rain]

yea true. maybe i'll test it on a second char

[limber lodge]

that's mad curious. Curses have a mega high mana cost. You could really be onto something there bro

[winged rain]

yea i have some ideas about how to mess with that combo

but if the gain as doesn't apply to doom, that would suck

[limber lodge]

could defnitely see it going either way

fuck i was gonna test it rn but, no joke, my highest level character is 76. i barely played after hitting maps LOL

[dawn spire]

if you have the staff I can try it out

I do not possess it

[limber lodge]

sure one sec

[dawn spire]

what the lvl req?

I'm only 83 lol

Blyronomancer

[limber lodge]

78

[dawn spire]

neat

game crashed lmao

but it seems to work

[limber lodge]

ooo neat

[dawn spire]

I was doing about 180-200 without the staff, and 245 with it

[limber lodge]

if you crank up the cost of the curse a bunch with like heightened curse and focused curse it may be more obvious

definitely a neat idea though

[dawn spire]

it doesn't seem to be as much damage as I would have anticipated

I was adding a cost of 185 life

which should have equated to about 61% of damage as extra chaos

and even with the best numbers I saw, I was only getting about 36% more damage

[limber lodge]

strange. aight bed time for me peace

[dawn spire]

and I'm pretty sure I don't have any X as extra Y

gn!

ty for the staff

yeah, this build is basically a grenade build, nothing affects spells or chaos damage

weird

oh, no, wait. I was only doing like 180ish because I was spamming and losing current mana. If I have full mana, I do exactly 213. And with the staff I do exactly 245. So it's only 15% more damage instead of 61% @winged rain

but it DOES raise the damage noticeably

but a life cost of 185 should be 61% of damage added as chaos

so something fishy is going on here

also, new fun curse fact:
If you weapon swap between your casts, you don't proc impending doom

even with cursed ground

[winged rain]

it doesn't seem like it applies

well RIP that idea

[limber lodge]

Was your mana somehow changing?

Maybe a way to test this would actually be to grab blood magic keystone. That puts your mana to 0 so the base damage of ID should be 0. Make sure you have no other sources of % added damage, and then try with and without the staff. You should do 0 damage without the staff, and some damage with it.

[dawn spire]

no, the staff damage always did a fixed amount of damage no matter how low my life got

[winged rain]

100% of 0 will still be 0

when i tested it, it didn't gain any damage, so my idea is dead

makes sense, because doom doesn't cost mana, it's the curse that costed mana

[dawn spire]

I'm also not gaining any damage with hexblast with and without the staff?

this thing might just be bugged

[winged rain]

oh, well we'll just need to wait for patch

[dawn spire]

ok, never mind, hexblast just has a massive range

I added more support gems to hexblast and I did noticed a change in the damage with the staff

with the higher life cost

(they didn't offer any damage)

still cannot figure out for the life of me why impending doom does 245 with the staff and 213 without it.

I have 1019 max mana and 2384 max life

temp chains costs 156 mana/186 life

(I have a reduced mana cost node apparently)

and since that 245 damage does NOT change with the amount of life I have, I have to assume it's still doing damage based on max mana and not life

which means it should be doing 345 damage

but nope, it's 245 damage on the dot every cast

[limber lodge]

U rite my b kek

[dawn spire]

these numbers just make absolutely no sense

staff should be providing 62% more damage, but I'm only seeing 15%

I also spammed down to low mana without the staff and swapped back to it to cast off of life and the damage was significantly lower

which supports the theory that it's always based on mana

oh

the staff doesn't work at all

I figured it out

the 213 vs 245 was the difference in damage between full mana and the mana I had after I cast the curse

if I just let the curse expire naturally and let my mana fill back up, it does 245 without the staff, too

mystery solved

rip

[limber lodge]

Woulda been so cracked tbh. Oh well

[dawn spire]

yeppers. time for me to finally go to bed

[limber lodge]

It does make sense that it doesn't work tho

[dawn spire]

indeed

[winged rain]

yea it would have been a fun janky build

[crimson oar]

Can you realistically achieve 100% crit chance on a skill (high velocity rounds specifically) with just excise, inevitable crit, and crit chance passives?

[alpine summit]

no jewels?

[crimson oar]

can use jewels

[winged rain]

yes. you can do accuracy stacking amazon for +10, critical weakness for +10, tree for +1, weapon suffix for +5, 5% base

31% base, 100% inc, 40% more will get you very close

[crimson oar]

is it still realistic on mercenary, with the accuracy cric chance falling away?

[winged rain]

21% base with 40% more will require 240% inc

[normal pumice]

Is there a cap on negative resistances through exposure/curses?

[cinder raven]

Can someone explain how leech works in poe 2?

Because I wanted to know how good the covenant along with soul thief and acuity would work for es leech

[uncut nexus]

does binding a spectre minion that spawns more minion is a good choice or does the secondary minion doesnt count as my own

but it instead counts as the minion's own summon so it gain less stat/gain no stat

[sharp glade]

not you own

its why the srs tacticians on poe 1 suck

[quick pumice]

After the reveal I was excited to play Smith of Kitava... then I looked at mace gems and reminded myself that there´s only 1 aight choice for clear. Why can´t we get some decent mace gems that are not clunky, slow and dealing 5 times less damage than auto attack...

[cobalt pollen]

u don't have to play mace

lots of people already thinking about spear kitava

[quartz spruce]

While I agree with spear. Mace just makes me sad af

[cobalt pollen]

I would do supercharged slam once cast on channel comes

boneshatter seems pretty good too

[maiden karma]

What are the odds of petrified blood or some other way of maintaining low life being added as new supports?

[quartz spruce]

high

[boreal harbor]

is there a necromancer ascendancy coming already this patch??

[maiden karma]

No

Lich and tactician look good for minions tho

[opaque bluff]

We basically know nothing without patch notes right? Could be some pretty drastic balancing that might make mace OP with an overcompensation for last patch

[viscid radish]

Lich needs a lot of questions answered... Cuz some nodes on it are plain broken if taken at literal face value (from reading)

[swift siren]

Anyone got this type of gear for a level 30 sorc, since league is coming out just wanna get a feel for things

[ember parrot]

It's still so annoying that Qstaff has no fire skills, given it is a somewhat fun melee weapon but feels bad on warrior.

[opaque bluff]

Are you trying to spend life with the life can’t change node? Based on poe1 precedent it just won’t let you spend or sacrifice life, and will stop a skill working if it needed that

[viscid radish]

Theoretically there's a lot of interactions

Some can make you immortal

Some can make you tanky af

Etc.

But until you know exactly how the node works, can't say

Is what I'm saying

Lots of unanswered questions or ambiguities if you want to put it that way

[cobalt pollen]

I think people expecting blood magic + conduit will be disappointed

zealots is cool but idk how ES recharge works exactly

how worth zealots will be

[manic jungle]

a lot of the lich can be broken or bricked

[uncut nexus]

does the "no inherent mana regeneration but you get 6% max hp as mana/s" node on lich means it get affected by normal mana regen up?

[cobalt pollen]

it says it right on the tin

you don't get outside sources of mp

[manic jungle]

do minions immediately lose unholy might the moment you get 6 meters away from them? or does it give them a few seconds before falling off
do skills that grant a power charge, like profane ritual, also consume a power charge and get their damage buffed, so you can never have more then 1 power charge
does the unholy might mana cost always apply or is it like a skill gem you can checkmark for weapon1 and have it off for weapon2 so it's not draining mana 24/7 365

[uncut nexus]

is it affected tho

[uncut nexus]

i think they immediately lose their unholy might unless the tooltip said it has a duration

[cobalt pollen]

your only source of mp regen is 6% of your life per second

[uncut nexus]

ohhhh

thenk yoy

[manic jungle]

+- sources of mana regen should effect your mana regen with the node tho... or else some weird things would happen with a high health hgh mana MoM build there wouldnt be a downside to MoM

[cobalt pollen]

I read it a little wrong

is inherent just base

no nodes

so I guess you get stuff from nodes but your base mp/s is just dead for the new effect

my bad

[manic jungle]

then if they brick Atziri's distain you lose a lot of potential defensive layer.. cause it's this huge penalty if you're running CI, basically no mana regen, for 10% damage reduction with 4 ascendency points

those 4 ascendency points really depend on Atziri's distain being untouched as it is right now, or else there's no point in that whole side of the ascendency

[cobalt pollen]

imo atziri just seems very no brainer

unless you're doing other uniques and you need the res

so I would think they would shoot it

[manic jungle]

if there's no new great power charge generation source and if they brick atziri, the lich is just infernalist but not even a functional class

[cobalt pollen]

its gonna be hard to beat life stacking spirit beidat

and you mentioning auras potentially not being active is concerning

if they don't have a decay and its just completely shut off when they walk outside

then you're not even getting the full value of 30% chaos as extra

they might nerf spirit beidat but still high value

[uncut nexus]

what can it do

lemme google brb

[cobalt pollen]

% damage goes through es and attacks your life

[uncut nexus]

oh no

thats like immortal with the lich node no?

[cobalt pollen]

yes

[uncut nexus]

if you have some mana on mom

[manic jungle]

it's 35% damage reduced from hit

so you brick all your mana regeneration, and lose the ability to sacrifice life and stuff to buff skills so you brick a chunk of damage

[cobalt pollen]

is that real I wonder

gems like 15% life for stronger offering just doesn't work

[manic jungle]

like you brick a lot of damage, it's probably close to as much as you gain through unholy might

so you have like no mana regen, you lose 5% of mana per second, you cant run eldrich battery, you cant sacrifice life, etc

but you get 35% damage netigation

[uncut nexus]

yeah

i dont think i will run that node imo

[cobalt pollen]

it says life just won't change

will it really brick supps like the one I mentioned for offering

[manic jungle]

someone will have to be the first lich and see if it's a good class or the best troll ever

or ggg nerfs atziri at all in patch notes and lets us know not to touch lich

[cobalt pollen]

you could play chaos on death and go stupid

go crazy

triple curse

[uncut nexus]

there might be new supports tho

or anything but srs firewall...

[hollow pivot]

Lich seems strong even without that node

[manic jungle]

its only bad if they manage to make that defensive layer pointless, and the defensive layer of Energy shield increased if consumed powercharge pointless. If they add something that is a good power charge generator, cause the only real good power charge generator is a unique chestpiece that would take away so much es, it might boost the ES enough to compare to other ascendancies

cause the 30% energy shield increase should apply to all sources of Max energy shield increases, like illuminated crown?

so with the 4 points invested in eldrich empowerment + price of power, the eHP increase might close to Eternal life + Atziri

if they dont add a better power charge generation source, casting profane ritual at least twice every 4 seconds to maintain the defensive layer might be much more annoyance then it's worth

[uncut nexus]

profane ritual wouldnt work in boss fights too...

because no corpse spawned

[manic jungle]

if you dont have enough spirit for sacrifice, you can have it on weapon2

[uncut nexus]

ooh

[cobalt pollen]

profane ritual is already so tiring but I suppose thats kinda the point

brainrot resonance + the gem that gives you frenzy for freezing/pinning

[manic jungle]

I just feel the whole viability of lich is the potential to have the eHP, if I want to play a glass cannon damage build I feel the amazon has a much higher ceiling for less investment

Maybe if they fixed profane ritaul to work with spell echo the power charge generation would be much less of a joke

cause it says spell echo supports it, but it doest actually support it

other corpse skills like detonate dead just work with spell echo like expected but for some reason profane ritual doesnt do anything

[cobalt pollen]

that would be great

1tap profane

[manic jungle]

fix it or remove checkmark lol

[cobalt pollen]

unleash profane

[manic jungle]

it would still be a use every 4 seconds skill that feels horrible, it would just not be use twice every 4 seconds meme skill

[uncut nexus]

it doesnt counts...?

oh my fod

[manic jungle]

if the energy shield was a random node on the skill tree doing a inconvenience to get the combo to work would be acceptable, but in an ascendency tree its weird

[maiden karma]

Maces will never be good until they remove the moronic +1 second to attack time that almost every skill has, and they seem to be determined to keep that in

[opaque bluff]

Yeah but that’s an incredibly easy fix that may have been done. Also the +1 sec isn’t the problem, it’s the fact the +1 isn’t effected by attack speed

[maiden karma]

That's intentional

They are forcing maces to be stupidly slow

[cobalt pollen]

dance with death kinda funny

[hoary bolt]

no shield is kinda bad

but yeah the fact that when initially released the the only 1h weapon was maces and the keystone didnt really even boost them that much is pretty funny

[cobalt pollen]

fissure spam

[hoary bolt]

-99 FPS

[crystal hearth]

Is it possible to add custom skills to PoB? or are there any versions where the new ascendancies are avaialable?

[pseudo kayak]

Can someone suggest a good duo build of carry + full support?

I know much will change with the new league but wanted to get a point of reference for what was good before.

[dreamy kindle]

would the new witch ascension be good or shld i try amazon

[livid fulcrum]

it looks fun, but its really hard to know much of anything until we actually get full notes

[limber lodge]

Lich will be great if atziri's disdain isn't nerfed too heavily and if lifetap support and/or blood-magic type effects work in combo with Eternal Life. I think it will be totally busted actually if that's the case, because you can run as many meta gem setups as you want, cast a trillion comets a second, and never have to pay for them.

But if atziri's disdain is nerfed heavily AND lifetap doesn't work with Eternal Life.... It's gonna be kinda shit imo.

If only one of those things happens lich will be pretty good. Eternal Life needs to either provide some high DR or solve mana. Gotta do at least one. If it does both it's insane

[main spear]

Kinda what I’m waiting to see

Otherwise I have no idea what to play come Friday

[limber lodge]

If we get the bad scenario where lich has no toys, I may go blood mage if they slightly rework that ascendancy and do Hexblast. Or maybe chronomancer Hexblast. Or maybe javazon accuracy stacker.

[hybrid ocean]

I'd be fine with them not scaling with attack speed tbh, if their base speed weren't such ass.

Like if they want to do that, just remove the base attack time entirely from those skills

Either that or kill the flat time altogether and put an exponent on the attack speed scaling instead

[opaque bluff]

Yeah but basically we don’t know, they could do any of these things or more, and maces be godmode, and not know until maybe tomorrow

[limber lodge]

Man if blood magic works with eternal life, lich cast-on-X metagem setups are going to be mega free and mega comfy

[opaque bluff]

Life tap will not work with eternal life. Life not being able to change will prevent you from paying life just as if you didn’t have enough, I think there’s a similar interaction in poe1 somewhere

[limber lodge]

Have devs confirmed this? It's a reasonable conjecture obviously but if devs haven't confirmed it I don't see what authority one can assert that with

Hopefully we'll get clarification today

[crystal hearth]

Any idea on how much accuracy Amazon might need to get the 12.5% crit?

Or at least how to calculate it

[wise bluff]

Man if lich can’t use life as a resource with eternal life then that node is basically worthless as a damage node

[maiden karma]

If you can somehow temporarily remove all ES then the node might be a way to play low life safely

[hollow galleon]

managed to get access to partial patch notes, found these interesting:

• Armor buffed by 300% and damage mitigation formula adjustment - GGG: we believe that you should feel like a badass wearing heavy armor. With this, armored warriors will become the ultimate tanks taking very little damage from phys sources.
• __Energy Shield now recharges slower by 3.5 seconds, and ES now has a max cap related to your level __GGG: we believe with this change the game will feel more appropriately balanced and you won't go all out willy-nilly with ES on most builds.

[limber lodge]

...how?

Oh this is a meme

Good meme

[dawn spire]

A day late for April fools

[hollow galleon]

sources

[limber lodge]

The classic "sources familiar with the matter"

[marsh token]

when duel wielding, how do the stats work? for example, if you have attack speed on both weapons, would that increase your attack speed twice or only while using skills related to that weapon? what about things like crit, crit dam, elemental dam increases?

[olive summit]

skill attack speed is averaged out across both weapons afaik. for the rest each weapon rolls a separate damage roll and they add it all together into the ability

[atomic halo]

depends on the skill, some say attacks with both at same time, dealing less damage with each hit, (most skills) some say just more attack speed (armour breaker)

but yeah for most skills it will average atkspd, calc their dmage separately and add together

[marsh token]

i see, if u have 3% crit on one weapon and 2% crit on the other, one weapon gets 3% crit but the other uses 2%?

but if u have like 20% crit multi one one, and 30% crit multi on the other, would your global crit multi go up by current mult * 1.2 * 1.3?

[atomic halo]

neither will affect your global crit multi

because they're local mods

so im pretty sure it would be the same, they do their individual calculations irrespective of each other and it gets added up

[hollow galleon]

ok so what are plans for 0.2 launch?
everyone gonna play huntress?
or gotta catch em all with spectres?

[marsh token]

oh i think i got it confused when people realized it was multiplicative with ur crit not additive or something

[odd gull]

Plan will be made after seeing the patch note, I guess

[hollow galleon]

I also feel like testing new skills out with my level 90+ characters.
Don't see why I should immediately start the new league without knowing the exact build I want.

[marsh token]

will it cost one point to allocate to smith's masterwork before u can even start putting in points to the actual mods?

[atomic halo]

no, it specifically says it costs nothing to allocate.

[marsh token]

ah ok i get it now

for block chance to work, do u need shield raised? or does it work like evasion where u can randomly based on % avoid all dmg for hits and projectiles

[rustic abyss]

If Stormcaller Arrow isn't nerfed, it's probably going to be a very very solid option for campaign for Huntress right? It's not really used end game. So I don't see it being nerfed. It absolutely cooks campaign though lol.

[hollow galleon]

nope, as long as it's a blockable hit, it works passively....it's not the same as evasion due to entropy system and some technicalities

[marsh token]

ah i see i did a quick google, is the entropy system designed to normalize rng?

[rustic abyss]

This is assuming that Orb of Storms/LR interaction is nerfed quite badly, which is very likely if not certain.

[hollow galleon]

from what I recall evasion gives diminishing returns after so many hits within a time frame, meaning that things will eventually hit you even with maxed out evasion
I don't believe block has this though, which prob makes it more reliable in general

[marsh token]

ah i see

do we have tooltips on speark skills yet?

[uneven osprey]

Today patch notes drop no?

[limber lodge]

🙏

[marsh token]

if u convert phys dam to fire dam, but u have phys dam mods. would the phys dam mod work before or after the conversion?

[limber lodge]

if you convert phys to fire for a skill, none of your phys damage nodes will affect that skill's damage any more

[marsh token]

sadge

[pearl scroll]

For now 👀

[wise mango]

Is there any guidance on how to make a build? I.e. "How do you handle mobs? What combos are you building?" etc

[hollow galleon]

what u want is to convert INCOMING phys to fire....with the soon to be released blacksmith
cause then u focus on fire resist only - which also grants u elemental resist, and guess what - you can easily craft fire resist
and BOOM u are now the tankiest of tanks

[pearl scroll]

Yes zizaran has a video about it

[wise mango]

Youtube I assume? Looking it up now then. Thanks!

[marsh token]

do u run that node that gives u max fire res based on uncapped fire res?

like how much resistance could u have lol

[hollow galleon]

probably, the idea is to get a lot of max fire resist....so u will have an ascendancy that only focuses on that and is extremely tanky

[marsh token]

would it be possible to get +25 max fire res

for a whopping 100% res

[hollow galleon]

seems pretty good for league starts

[hollow galleon]

don't think u can get 100% res

there is an actual cap

so even if u add max fire resist, it probably caps at 90 or 95%, not sure

[marsh token]

oh i see

rn on my maxed out monk

i have 75% of every res

so lets say u put all the res into fire

could u get 225% uncapped fire res?

or rather

its 150% there right? first 75 isn't uncapped

damn that max fire res node is only going to give u like 6-8% max res

[hollow galleon]

yeah but the cool thing about blacksmith is u don't need to focus on other elemental resistances

[marsh token]

yea thats so nice

[hollow galleon]

and then u also reduce phys damage with ur fire resist

[marsh token]

yoooo

im guessing u run breach rings with everything to fire

[hollow galleon]

maybe, blacksmith lookin real nice tbh

[marsh token]

something like this, obv with better rolls

u would still need to build chaos res right?

[hollow galleon]

yeah

[uneven osprey]

I just want my bleed build man I have high hopes with spear that it will have good bleed skill

[hollow galleon]

ritualist with blood boil?

[uneven osprey]

Hopefully it good

[jaunty mulch]

im playin ritualist with a bow for that extra ring and ring atributes

[olive summit]

hey i'm making this gas arrow ranger build guide for myself up to third ascendancy. anyone got any input? https://pobb.in/01JHczjLYjPK

three different loadouts in pob2 for the progression

[uneven osprey]

I imagine Ritualist will be like gemmling great all around due to crazy ring buff and self buff

I just want it for a bleed build and the eating elites since that just sounds funny

[jaunty mulch]

yeah i kinda hope they give a good bleed bow to go with the quiver that has bleed

i think theres one that does bleed chance or smthn for quivers

yeah serrated

[limber lodge]

Bonus accuracy giving base crit is so fucking insane. I was leaning lich but that's just stupid lol

[uneven osprey]

They showed a spear with bleed so they got my hopes up that’s for sure

[jaunty mulch]

yeah im definitly givving spears a shot for a bit to try to find some bs but bow is prolly still what ima end up with

[minor umbra]

hey guys quick question: wouldn't Eternal life (Life cannot change while you have ES) and Divine Flesh together not make you immortal? Seems like an oversight if they have not addressed this already?

[limber lodge]

I see divine flesh on poe2db but not on the wiki -- does it actually exist in game?

But yes if it exists that does seem broken. Devs have been silent so far about eternal life interactions.

[minor umbra]

Ahhh that would explain it haha

[hoary bolt]

divine flesh doesnt exist in poe 2 currently

might be a holdover from timeless jewels

considering there are also heist area mods on poe2db

[neon schooner]

Do totems get affected by allies buffs? Was looking maybe to do totems with tactician because I'm not sure what's changing with warbringer yet

[marsh token]

can you reliably heavy stun if u are using avatar of fire?

[tranquil inlet]

Titan absolutely can, not sure about other ascendancies

[regal glade]

Anyone seeing a possible minion-heavy build with any of the new ascendencies?

[tranquil inlet]

Minion lich seems very straightforward

Mana stack, Conduit/Blackened, MoM, lots of regen...eternal life if it's good, phylactery if not

Maybe MoM/eternal life isn't good synergy, but either way it should be strong enough

Conduit/Blackened/Rupture/Phylactery would probably be the easiest, maybe play with big melee skellies or spectres

Phylactery should shine for minion builds, they get above average value from jewels

[marsh token]

if u have a melee skill that converts 25% of phys to fire dmg, and then u have avatar of fire, is that 100% fire dam conversion?

[limber lodge]

Yes

You should also be able to verify this in the tooltip. It will show the type of damage you are doing

[grand galleon]

Does anyone know of a content creator working on a league starter for tactician mercenary?

[hoary bolt]

no one has cooked anything yet without patch notes

and if they have I would unsubscribe

[hidden siren]

just include howa hh/ingen and temporalis in ur build and its gg

[marsh token]

when someone says more damage, vs increased dmg, is that a multiplier?

[neon schooner]

I keep trying to look at it. But will the banners apply to totems or if we go the minions. The rain of projectiles come from off screen. But totems come from your damage scaling right? Also if totems attack speed will be affected by how fast we fire a crossbow. Other wise maybe I will just go bow and use a skill from there

[static torrent]

Increased damage is additive to other sources of increased, so you get diminishing returns where every additional point is relatively less effective as you get more. More damage is multiplicative over increased, and separate sources of More multiply each other, as well. 20% more damage is always giving you 20% more, even if you somehow had thousands of other sources of % more damage.

[wind tree]

Soooo... % More dmg > % Increased dmg

Right ?

[tranquil inlet]

Yeah, almost always

[dawn spire]

Smith of Kitava can work with literally any build as far as I can tell. Unless it's a build that requires a specific chest piece

[craggy ice]

yeah, inc dmg is way more abundant and therefore has less relative value

[dawn spire]

% for %, yes. Increased is, at its best, equal to more

And almost always worse

I want so badly to make impending doom mana stacking infernalist work, but it feels so meh

But maybe it'll be pog. Who knows

Impending doom being based on your current mana is very weird. It creates a situation where I really want to use a low level curse so I use less mana. It also means that if I'm getting wrecked with MoM, I'll do less damage which means I'll be less likely to actually survive the encounter. It's a negative feedback loop

Impending doom is the only non-archmage thing that scales damage with mana, right?

And I'd imagine archmage is getting dumpstered

[tranquil inlet]

Blackened Heart on the lich

[dawn spire]

Ah, true

I wonder if there's a world where I go lich instead

Lich has no mana scaling and I'd likely go MoM+EB

Infernalist makes me hella tanky and gives like 600 base mana for just having 2k life

And lich has a mana drain

Woof

[opaque bluff]

I just want to see the changes to the old ascendancies, surely they have significant chronomancer/chayula buffs planned!

[dawn spire]

If they don't buff chrono I'll be p sad, ngl

But also it's the best ascendancy by a mile so it's fine

[static torrent]

We know it's getting another notable, and that it's probably going to be more directly offensive in nature

[craggy ice]

this was in one of the q&a's:

"Will the least-played Ascendancies, as Acolyte, Chronomancer, Warbringer, and Witch Hunter, get changed in the update?

I wouldn't say Chronomancer is not very well played, but for the others, the overall balance is changing very significantly. The reason why certain Ascendancies are played the most is usually because there's something broken going on with them. It isn't necessarily the case that the less played ones need buffing, although in lots of cases, we will do it. Effectively, all your previous assumptions just need to be thrown in the bin because there's enough changes as far as balance is concerned that you just can't expect things to work exactly the same."

im guessing they wont change chrono much based off this

[turbid patrol]

Can someone explain me the difference between ressistances and exposure? How do they add up each other? I tried reading tool tips but couldnt quite clarify

[hoary bolt]

I'm not sure what you're asking with the 'difference'. Exposure reduces resistance.

If a monster has 40% resistance and gets fire exposure applied, it will then have 20% resistance for the duration of the exposure

Exposure is a 20% reduction by default, but can be scaled with passives and support gems

[sterile latch]

iirc exposure can go < 0, pen dont, iirc

[hoary bolt]

correct

penetration can't go below zero

which is why it's generally better to use curses, exposure, and other direct resistance-stripping effects for maximum damage

the opportunity cost is that penetration is found in large numbers on the tree, and stripping resists only becomes worth it when you get below 0

[turbid patrol]

So i should aim at getting enemy pen at 0 and then i can scale exposure? Is that right?

[hoary bolt]

they don't stack below zero, but curses + exposure does

penetration would do nothing if you already have the mob below 0 resistance

Example: Monster has 50% fire resistance. You have 30% fire penetration, and also 20% exposure

the mob effectively has zero res in that case and does not resist any damage

any additional penetration would be wasted because its effective resist is already 0

If you want maximum damage its best to focus on getting their actual resistance below zero with curses and exposure

Just remember that penetration means you are basically ignoring that amount of resistance

you can't ignore 0 or negative res

[tranquil inlet]

Didn't they say somewhere that they didn't like how Chrono was all abilities and no just raw power node and that they'd made some adjustments?

Maybe I'm hallucinating that, but I thought I heard that in the Q&A

[royal fiber]

Hi everyone, I'm considering getting early access but I'm worried that without a community-created build I'm gonna get screwed. If I decide to go with Ranger and pick nodes with evasion, crits, poison and melee damage (in no specific priority), is it gonna be a decent build? Or do I need to follow a guide as a new player with no in-depth understanding of the mechanics?

[tranquil inlet]

You'll be able to get through the campaign, but to progress deep into endgame you'll probably need some help from a build guide

[undone pelican]

I'm thinking about playing lich after the update comes out.

[limber lodge]

Yep if it works it'll be good. Though burden of shadows gets significantly stronger as you get + gem levels, which is a bit of a non-combo with itself since wand+focus or staff are the main ways to get a bunch of gem levels.

So it's kinda awkward. Really good with prism of belief and amulet +gem levels though

Assuming it even works with eternal life. We'll see

[calm moth]

it's mostlikely redesigned

[limber lodge]

plausible

[calm moth]

im mostly curious if Eternal Life also prevents trampled damage on ES

[limber lodge]

If it is, we can all assume it is unintentional and will be fixed, because that'd be the most abuseable mechanic in the entire game

[calm moth]

yeah, then take Zealot's Oath to basicly always have some ES

[marsh token]

can the curse explosion damage on the lich ascendancy be scaled up? or will it always do dmg based on max life of the enemy

and also. unholy might gives you +30% more dam as chaos dmg. if u use this, but then scale something light lightning dmg from 100 to 200, does the added dmg from unholy might dmg also go up as well?(from 30, to 60)

[limber lodge]

"X% of Damage as Extra Y" takes any of the damage that your hit would do before X% of Damage as Extra Y effects are calculated. So yes, if you were going to do 1000 lightning damage before those calculations were made, and you had Unholy might and no other sources of X% of damage as extra Y, you would deal 1000 lightning damage and 300 chaos damage. If you had Unholy might and also a wand that gives 15% of Damage as extra Fire, you woul,d deal 1000 lightning, 300 chaos, 150 fire damage.

[marsh token]

i see, so you really want a big base hit before u get the added dam

[limber lodge]

Correct, and perhaps more importantly, all X% of damage as extra Y -- no matter what the "Y" is -- are essentially additive with each other (if we ignore resistances altogether)

[atomic halo]

(and it occurs at the same time as conversion, not before or after.)

[marsh token]

if u had a chaos dmg mod, would it increase the 300 chaos dmg there after added conversion dmg?

and what if the base hit did chaos dam, would it double dip?

[atomic halo]

yes

[atomic halo]

no, because it only applies once, post conversion

so it wouldnt apply to the base hit before conversion

only after

[marsh token]

i see, so it would be like 1000 base chaos hit +300 chaos

1300 chaos * chaos amp?

[atomic halo]

yeah

anything that says "more" or "increased"

will apply post conversion

[marsh token]

what verbiage do they use when it is not post conversion?

[atomic halo]

well, not much applies pre-conversion. mostly local modifiers on your weapon and sources of flat damage.

basically, conversion occurs right after all your flat damage is added up

[marsh token]

ah i see

[atomic halo]

so anything that affects flat goes before conversion

basically everything else is after

also note that this means if you're an ele build with 1000% inc ele damage and 0% inc. chaos, unholy might is very bad

as the resulting chaos damage would be scaled by very little, compared to the ele that is scaled by a lot

[marsh token]

ohh shit

[atomic halo]

so it's only good if you're already into scaling chaos

[marsh token]

yea that bricks the build i was thinking lol

[loud geyser]

So Ingenuity is getting nerfed but it'll still work with Ritualist +1 ring slot

[marsh token]

for whatever reason i was thinking, maybe i can get a fat ele hit, and then get the added chaos on top, but what u just said means that the chaos dam on top only modifies the base hit before my ele mods go into it?

[atomic halo]

yeah

[marsh token]

ah damn lol

i was trying to do an attach lich build

[atomic halo]

so imagine 1000 base cold, unholy might, 1000% inc. ele, 0% inc. chaos. you end with 11000 cold + 300 chaos. the chaos is very underwhelming here.

[marsh token]

would the curse explosion dmg based on enemy health be scalable or does it always do dmg based on health of the enemy?

[atomic halo]

it should be scalable

[marsh token]

yea i see now, last season i played lightning cold monk with a lot of those added mods but it works since the elemental dmg mods effect both

[atomic halo]

but if i'm remembering right, it's an explosion, so it's something weird called secondary damage

which is neither attack nor spell

which makes it harder to scale

[marsh token]

i see

i was wondering if u could just run that, blasphemy for a curse, an attack weapon with herald of ice and blow some stuff up

[atomic halo]

yeah sure

you can search up occultist builds in poe1

it's a copy and paste of profane bloom

see some videos and see how the xplosions play, they're very satisfying

[marsh token]

oh bet

i really want to try that new chest piece

that gives u all the heralds lol

[atomic halo]

tbh it's probably overkill

to have triple herald and explodey

[limber lodge]

it's just unfortunate that the explode is only "in your presence" 😦

no multi screen pops

[marsh token]

lmaoo like theres no way the triple herald doesn't just screen wipe?

yea rip

is it possible to make presence noticeably bigger

if they don't nerf porc ring, then u can slap herald of ice with some cold dmg on rings and weapon and probably still get a bunch of explosions

[limber lodge]

Ehhh. There's a suffix on sceptres for increased presence area of effect but the max roll is 30%

idk if there's others

[atomic halo]

there's a unique helm i think

[atomic halo]

alpha's howl is doubled prescence radius

which should multiply off of the 1.3 for 2.6x

[north raven]

as far as i saw from some of the interviews herald of ice and herald of thunder wont end up procing off of each other anymore so you prolly wont get those screen wipes anymore

but

i could be wrong

[marsh token]

is scepter off hand weapon?

[atomic halo]

yes

[marsh token]

could curse explody proc heralds?

[hollow pivot]

Correct

[limber lodge]

"Killing an enemy with attack damage..." etc -- no

[marsh token]

ah damn

[limber lodge]

Unless they change heralds

it's EA, so maybe thry will

[marsh token]

we need to figure out a way to get attacks to hit cross map lol

[north raven]

play ranger :3

or you could do range with the spear

[marsh token]

i was wondering, if u have a widescreen tv can u see farther and therefore hit farther?

[sharp glade]

against TOS

[marsh token]

ah i see

[north raven]

how is a widescreen tv against tos.

[sharp glade]

unfair advantage

[north raven]

doesnt even make sense

[dawn spire]

idk about poe2, but in poe1 a widescreen monitor (or even just lowering the height of your screen while maintaining the width) would massively improve your fov

[sharp glade]

thats why GGG added the black bars

[dawn spire]

oh, they did?

[north raven]

like... how am i the one violating tos if the tv comes the way it comes.

that just doesnt make sense lol

[dawn spire]

pretty sure they were meming

poorly

[sharp glade]

?

[north raven]

ah

[sharp glade]

You dont remember when GGG added the black bars to ultrawide

and the ones abusing it cried

[limber lodge]

if they added black bars then it isn't ToS because it's not possible

[sharp glade]

it was for this very reason

[dawn spire]

I don't remember that, but it's definitely not against ToS to use a widescreen tv

[sharp glade]

there are ways to get past them

the game still renders it

[limber lodge]

aight so out of the box, a widescreen monitor is fine. You're saying you have to modify the game/use 3rd party clients to do something. It makes sense that breaks ToS. Fair enough

[north raven]

yeah that makes more sense now

[sharp glade]

a super widescreen monitor its not fine in GGG's mind that's why they added the bars on the sides at a certain resolution

they said it was for performance reasons but we all know what their problem is

[dawn spire]

closest I can find in the Terms of Use policy is:

Restrictions: Under no circumstances, without the prior written approval of Grinding Gear Games, may you:
...
Modify or adapt (including through third parties and third-party tools) the game client or its data, other than in the normal course of PoE gameplay as permitted in accordance with the Licence.

[sharp glade]

some people were abusing it

[north raven]

impatiently internally screaming waiting for patch notes

[hoary bolt]

to clarify, 21:9 is fine and natively supported. 32:9 is not and requires third party tools that hook into the game

[limber lodge]

bro from ZiggyD's video that just came out

SUPPOERTD SKILLS

[hoary bolt]

didnt that already exist?

[limber lodge]

no idea haven't used it

[north raven]

i dont think so

but that seems mid to me

[dawn spire]

it existed in poe1, but it only supported attacks iirc

[sterile latch]

yo, patch could be soon right ?

[dawn spire]

this one suppoerts skills

[limber lodge]

in the screenshot it says "attack, melee"

[dawn spire]

oh

I can't read

[sharp glade]

see, thats what i meant, i just didnt know the numbers

[dawn spire]

can anyone read this?

that might be important text

[limber lodge]

i see a black box bro

but if I had to guess it says "Supports skills"

[dawn spire]

proud of you for adhering to ToS

[limber lodge]

i'm a good boy

[jaunty mulch]

have they released the changes to items yet?

[sharp glade]

they havent released shit

[dawn spire]

in the form of some sorts of notes about the patch? no

[jaunty mulch]

so they just gona let us scramble to make builds on the day it releases arent they

[north raven]

im thinking if we do get patch notes today itll be sometime from 4-10pm cst based off average times of release for news the past drops

[wild stirrup]

Would eternal life work with blood magic?

[sharp glade]

no

[limber lodge]

we don't know, shock3600

[sharp glade]

we do

its no

[dawn spire]

I mean, we're all gonna be scrambling because they're not giving full details of support gems at all. We gotta find those in-game

[limber lodge]

have the devs confirmed this...?

[jaunty mulch]

thats anoying with them adding at least 100 of em

[sharp glade]

common sense

[north raven]

i dont remember them confirming it in any of the interviews

[wild stirrup]

Lol

[sharp glade]

we dont need the devs to confirm the sky is blue

[jaunty mulch]

we do

[limber lodge]

aight bruv