2┃build-planning

[feral oxide]

hurr.

[static plinth]

You dont need life sustain cuz life cant change

[feral oxide]

right lmao

[static plinth]

As long as you dont gain ES while your Life is too low for you to cast your skills

[feral oxide]

Anything that scales off life cost would in theory still work then, but anything that requires you to have actually spent the life probably wouldn't?

[static plinth]

Yeah

The Burden of Shadows would work for instance

Would work really, really well tbh

Removes the need for pathing to blood magic

[feral oxide]

wanting to theorycraft huntress builds but not having the new spear nodes or skill data is painful

[static plinth]

yeah

Hopefully we get patch notes soon

[feral oxide]

I kinda feel like speccing into frenzy charge stuff might be bait

but at the same time there's some weirdness with trying to path for crit chance with the accuracy>crit stuff, since bottom right side of the tree seems pretty starved for increased crit chance

dispatch foes is conditional, tainted strike is pretty far down on the tree even though it's next to some pretty good stuff, struck through starts to get to mid right part of the tree

the spear notable cluster will probably have some crit chance since there's some small passives there

but at least from the looks of it you're gonna have a ton of base crit chance without much increased unless you do monk pathing (which considering es/eva nodes isn't necessarily a bad thing)

[exotic compass]

yeah i just used it until i could chuck all my totems on a map boss and wait a couple seconds. same effect but less cast time and more things to tank for me. of course my totems are doing 30k dps each x 4 while a single hammer will hit for millions when set up

IF you were using it as a way to kill rare mobs then yeah, chrono is the move. you could totally find cooldown nodes near warrior/merc tho, and use Ingenuity instead of a regular damage-boosting support gem

[static plinth]

I plan on going Huntress, im trying to figure out the options i have not for Hammer Of The Gods but for Spear of Solaris

Which i presume will work similarly

[exotic compass]

looks like it

[humble axle]

https://youtu.be/X7nQXt0racU?si=Y0nElJu3XYtoKYGl

Is this a good build to follow?

https://mobalytics.gg/poe-2/profile/edea985c-6fc2-45d1-bb19-c3b82d2b0ed8/builds/9a1433b1-023a-43e7-8f0e-e69b5ddc14db

That's the moba link

[hoary bolt]

new patch is going to invalidate EVERYTHING

dont follow anything right now honestly

[tawdry swift]

Wow I finally just started to see my monk clearing packs and not getting 1 shotted after 3months...

And the build is getting nerfed next week?!? 😓

Maybe this game aint for me? I can only play about a little over an hour 3-4x a day 😦

Should i just find a different game?

[hoary bolt]

maybe come back at 1.0 release

early access balance is going to be volatile

just comes with the territory of balancing a game as complex as this

[static torrent]

1.0 onwards is still going to have major balance patches every 3-4 months, just that each one will likely change less. Eventually, you're going to end up with one that breaks a build you were playing before anyway.

[manic jungle]

a few things are getting tuned down, and new things are getting added to tune things back up again.
with more crafting options and new items I think the majority of players will be more powerful

[hoary bolt]

i dont think thats the case at all honestly

they quite literally said expect nothing to be the same as before

[manic jungle]

they said new uniques will be impactful

probably adding things on the level of sources of brittle to the game

[tawdry swift]

The game is really great...but looks like my available play time and the RNG ain't mixing well 😅 😅

[static plinth]

The Critical Weakness in the room:

[pearl sluice]

That depends. POE has leagues, which are every 3 months (not poe2 EA release and other drama issues effecting it lately) but there is also "standard" which does not wipe. So you can play that forever. That is where i have spent most of my time the lest few years. Cause I too have a life outside gaming.....IE i have dog. POE have been notrious for builds getting nerfed, balance changes with every "league". With poe2 being pre-1.0 launch...we can expect a LOT of changes. SO there is always a chance a build gets nerfed....but i dount your monk will get nerfed as bad as you might fear

[calm moth]

The amount of time you have is fine, just remember, as in any game. Town is lava.

[pearl sluice]

I still prefer poe1 to 2....but 2 just looks SO MUCH BETTER...but i have yet to find a "fun for me" build there yet

[vast wind]

Are there minion warrior builds out there? Animate weapon looked so cool but everyone I go to pob I just don’t see it working

[hoary bolt]

there are a few

specifically on titan

gemling on merc is also a good option

but kitava smith does look interesting for the animate weapon

point being that although the pathing is weird early its definitely doable

[tawdry swift]

Ahh that's quite nice to know!!! 😁 😁

[tawdry swift]

Maybe i spend a third of my time in my stash 😅

[calm moth]

No1 rule town is lava haha

[opaque bluff]

Do we know when next week is patch notes?

[vale pine]

Does cold penetration would work on freeze build up?

[static torrent]

It does increase damage dealt to the enemy (at least as long as the enemy has Cold resistance to penetrate, since it doesn't reduce it below 0%), which in turn increases Freeze build-up.

[dusty kiln]

anyone got some advice on how to START as a minion merc? want to eventually go for a multiplayer friendly minion tactician, but im unsure of how to get started with a minion build in the early levels, and what weapons/skills to aim for (in the new league)

[vast wind]

Thanks

[maiden ivy]

will specters count as Undead Minions for "bones of Ullr" boots?

[native fulcrum]

dont think anyone can really give good advice, pretty much everythigns changing

[dusty kiln]

fair enough
hopefully we get patchnotes soon so i can plan a bit before the update

[daring jay]

@silent glade Is the crit you get from this base or does it get added last and can't be scaled?

[static torrent]

Please don't just @ the devs, especially not at 4 in the morning.

[daring jay]

oh its 5 pm here didnt realize

[dawn spire]

I wonder how much my corrupting cry gemling is getting nerfed. It seems silly strong for how easy it is to gear in hcssf

[hearty whale]

Hey guys

I hit Mapping, but I struggle at T1+ Maps. No srsly. Its hilarious. Not because of bad balance or something but probably because of my stupid build.
Since I dont have much time to just start a new, I thought I'd stick with my Monk AoC and make the best out of it.

Now my issue is, I dont deal a lot of damage, but I also struggle to survive.
My Monk currently is lvl 69 and has just about over 1,400HP
I struggle at capping the three base resistances and even more so chaos.
Is there like any Build Guilde to help me? What should I focus on and if so, where do I get Stuff XY...
Thanks in advance

Thats my current dps for the used skills

I know its not just a simple answer than saying get some more Gear. I know its skilling etc. But I struggle to find good info sources of stuff that I DONT know

[limber lodge]

I can't speak to the build you're playing, but if you are having a hard time with resistances, you probably aren't using the trade site very efficiently.

Also, some people (I was guilty of this) suffer from an obsession with not 'over-capping' resistances. It's actually very good to over-cap resistances, because it makes getting upgrades later much easier. So don't avoid buying a piece of gear just because it'll put you at +50% fire res over cap -- that's literally a good thing. You should try to do that. Because again, that means later on when you're looking to get higher dps on your gear, you'll be able to switch those resistance suffixes for dps suffixes (cast speed on rings, crit on weapons, skill levels on amulets, etc.)

Attached is an image of a pretty good 'weighted sum' search for super basic resistance gear. If your budget is higher than 1 ex you can change that number.

After you've pressed "search" make sure to click on the 'sum' section of an item, as shown in the second screenshot attached. This will show you the very best piece of resistance gear in your budget. If you're searching for boots, like in this image, you can also add another section in the search to specify that you only want boots with 25%+ movement speed or whatever with "add stat group - and", as shown in the third and forth screenshots.

[dusty horizon]

does anyone know why increased ailment chance doesnt increase bleed/poison chance even though POB shows it as modifiers to each? Like, i mouse over bleed chance and it shows the increased ailment chance as modifying the bleed/poison chance but it doesn't result in a higher chance

[hearty whale]

oh I'd like to use the Trade site much more often, but I suffer at my own stupidness to understand its functions and how to correctly search for something 😄 but ty for that image!

[limber lodge]

Hopefully those screenshots make it a bit more clear. There are some great videos about utilizing the trade site effectively as well. I haven't watched this one, but I am sure it's good. Locohol is great. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aKrIBF2cpPs

[mint meadow]

Do we know what is buffed and nerfed yet?

[limber lodge]

Are you allocating to a weapon set?

[mint meadow]

How are people prepping? Just making assumptions?

[limber lodge]

I prepped by putting together a pob for lich hexblast, but I am hoping significant changes are coming to the passive tree that will make me redo a lot of it tbh. In any case I have 4 differen gear sets in pob for hexblast set up so i can do some proper tinkering once the tree update is known

[viral rover]

im assuming that the tree update wont be shown until launch, rather than in the patch notes? First POE patch cycle for me

[dusty horizon]

no

[limber lodge]

We will probably know the tree updates at the same time as patch notes are out, but PoB will take some time to be updated.

[limber lodge]

10 + 5*7 = 45, what's the problem?

oh ailment chance

[dusty horizon]

ailment modifer on the bottom isn't increaseing the ailment (bleed) chance

[limber lodge]

probably a bug in pob, you could test by making a character and looking at the skill in game

[dusty horizon]

yeah i was just trying to theory craft potential builds for the next league

[hearty whale]

ofc the trade site now has issues lol

[limber lodge]

i'm not having issues with it

[hearty whale]

working fine now

[mint meadow]

How are Huntresses not just going to fall over late game

[sharp glade]

we dont know the state of defenses in this patch

currently everything non ES gets deleted

[mint meadow]

well if evasion ends up being amazing ranger should benefit the most

[static torrent]

Plus Spears have Block if used with Bucklers, so that's some extra defence on top of Evasion.

[vernal falcon]

Anyone know if they showed the skill gem text for the tame beast ability they showed in the huntress segment?

IK they keep mods so i wanna make a build around it but idk what to go, thinking maybe new merc ascendancy, or possibly witch

[atomic halo]

no, they did not

[vernal falcon]

damn

thoughts on what ascendancy i should go for a type of like summoner/champion type build with the tame beast then?

maybe with raise spectres depending on if i need to use a spear of the beast or not

[mighty wing]

anyone intrested on making a full on fire warrior with this note?

[cosmic plinth]

No

[mighty wing]

okay nice

[hearty whale]

what exactly do I have to do, if I want to look for a Quarterstaff that has Critical Chance etc on it?

Do I put them into the Stat Filters?

[atomic halo]

+#% to Critical Hit Chance

in stat filters yes

[hearty whale]

and extra lightning damage goes where?

cant find anything? xD

am I stupid or something? 😂

[pearl sluice]

so currently what actually generates endurance charges? I want to try and do a fire javeline build but not exactly sure what generates/consumes endurance charges. I know power charges but not endurance.

Just Resonance and Profane veil?

[winged rain]

yes, quarterstaves can't roll inc lightning

[hearty whale]

how do I know what WEapon can roll what stat exactly?

[winged rain]

poe2db is pretty good https://poe2db.tw/us/Quarterstaves#ModifiersCalc

[atomic halo]

look at the item

they don't say "#% increased Lightning Damage" or "Adds # to # Lightning Damage to Attacks"

they say "Adds # to # Lightning Damage"

those are both damage related and lightning related, but do completely different things.

and you're filtering it wrong if you're looking for an ugrade

set a maxium price, a minimum crit chance in equipment filters on the left

then sort by dps

[mighty wing]

was wondering this aswell, maybe we get something new in the patch notes

[hearty whale]

what gear items can roll Mana Leech or Gain Mana per killed enemy?

is it just the weapon and the gloves?

[pearl sluice]

I know everyone is going lightning jav, I really wanted to do a flame jav with like herald of ash and infernal cry or something

[mighty wing]

yeah lightining seems so lame

[mighty wing]

flame jav would be cool, there also seemed to be the "sunbeam" skill thats fire based

[hearty whale]

cause I'm missing Mana Leech or Gain Mana but as a newbie idk which Gear Type can roll it

[atomic halo]

flat mana on kill is so bad

you can get "Recover #% of Mana on Kill" on blue jewels

[alpine summit]

2 or 3 jewels with 2% and you're fine

[opaque bluff]

Is there a date for patch notes, or we just find out whenever

[static torrent]

We don't currently have one, no.

[dusty gyro]

So what are people's preliminary best specters opinions?

[hidden siren]

question if i have a shield with 500 armour and evasion would the bonuses stack or is it either or

[dawn spire]

I would imagine it would use the total (1000), but I'm not certain

[heavy wigeon]

do you have any support gem recommendations

[hidden siren]

dang i dont have a shield to test with rn but trying to theorycraft a huntress build

[static torrent]

Technically, that node specifies Shield, and Bucklers aren't Shields, so depends on whether that node is adjusted with 0.2.

[hidden siren]

huntress shares the ranger start right

that would be weird for it to not count as a shield

since those nodes are around it

might just not take a buckler then and have an actual shield

[static torrent]

Yes, same start location. It might well be adjusted in terms of wording as Bucklers are implemented, just that the current wording wouldn't work.

[static torrent]

Although current wording of Shield's tooltip does specify Bucklers as being in the same category, so who knows. Ultimately, wait for details, and to know whether the node is even going to remain as is with 0.2.

[hidden siren]

trade lists bucklers as its own thing rn

[static torrent]

I'd expect plenty of passive tree changes around the Ranger/Huntress area to accommodate the new stuff.

[dawn spire]

Essence drain - pierce - arcane tempo (for trash)
Essence drain - hourglass - swift affliction (for bosses)
Contagion - anything useful - amplified effect

[hidden siren]

i also need to wait for the the skill descriptions

[heavy wigeon]

ty

[hidden siren]

we have the names but nothing on the db added yet

[dawn spire]

Decaying hex - despair - that thing that gives curses more area

[hidden siren]

wonder if they will make bleed viable

bc it sucks so much rn

[static torrent]

Considering all the Bleed-related skills, that certainly seems like the intention.

[hidden siren]

fire and bleed need some love

u have fire skills but no one really uses them

[heavy wigeon]

watch bloodhound's mark be the sauce

🧎‍♂️

[hidden siren]

spear of solaris looks cool

if u could spam it would be hilarious

[remote nymph]

Tactician pin with 4 second stun on enemies sounds really good

[mighty wing]

i mean no one used anything other than lame minion builds or statstackin with some monk bs

[hidden siren]

thats a lie lol

[mighty wing]

what?

[hidden siren]

i played a physical build

not everyone is a meta slave

[mighty wing]

i mean you said that no one really uses fire skills and that was the case since a majority played those broken meta sht

[hidden siren]

they are actually bad

they arent viable in endgame

i tried

[mighty wing]

most arent, just like the majority of the skills atm, good thing we get a mini rework on the patch

[pearl sluice]

No support gem reveal?!? How will we be able to plan are build? 😳

[static plinth]

Do Chain, not Pierce. Pierce will lower your DoT damage while Chain will only lower your hit damage

I also recommend Essence Drain being the spell you put Chaos Mastery on

Currently most of our builds have poison chance from pathing to the +1 chaos spells in monk's area, meaning you use Drain Affliction on Essence Drain as well

Or if you're infernalist, Hellhound will do the same

[broken nexus]

Any lich planners? or should I wait until the full notes are out?

[livid ridge]

Most people are waiting for patch notes to begin planning

[broken nexus]

yeah im thinking about trying my hand at a minion build for once, tried sorc monk and bloodwitch with curses so far

maybe getting some rare spectre as an aurabot for my schmucks

[dawn spire]

Oh yeah, my b. I knew it was one of those. I forgot which one didn't lower DoT, ty

[dawn spire]

@heavy wigeon

[heavy wigeon]

[heavy wigeon]

notes so far

drain affliction and chaos mastery in the right places @static plinth ? or do you run just 1 essence drain

I was going to do this but it seems to be based around infernalist

https://mobalytics.gg/poe-2/builds/hexblast-demon-form-starter-lazyexile

[loud geyser]

Could someone with more wrinkles in their brain tell me if I'm reaching with a Ritualist -Spectres/beast/minions build, take Necromantic Talisman keystone, get a juiced up amulet so it applies to minions, +1 ring slot negates losing out on the penalty of no amulet, take Mystic Attunement for even more buffing of rings/amulet? I am way too smooth brained to know if that's worth it lol

[static plinth]

I just run one

A second with hourglass would be nice but losing the other strong supports is annoying

[static plinth]

No Dark Effigy?

[heavy wigeon]

I'll look it up, idk what that is

[cobalt pollen]

I was gonna do amazon but now ritualist with charms is intriguing

and blood boil is od for mapping

[static plinth]

Turns chaos DoT from kinda bad to pretty strong

[cobalt pollen]

first point blood boil and run through campaign

[static plinth]

Id take the ring slot first tbh

Do max spirit or max mana and then you can get so much res

[cobalt pollen]

somehow get perma charm uptime on maybe a new unknown unique with the charm cluster for 30% dmg during charm effect

[manic jungle]

why ritualist over lich for minions

[static plinth]

Yeah, theoretically with a unique charm we could get something good

[cobalt pollen]

or just smoothbrain amazon

dex accuracy stacker

[manic jungle]

whats the defensive layer tho

[static plinth]

You could do a Cast When Stunned style build, with a theoretical unique stun charm and the node that bases your stun threshhold entirely off es

[cobalt pollen]

eva and es if es isn't dead after nerfs

[loud geyser]

Mostly because Necromantic Talisman applies amulet bonuses to your minions instead of you. Unfurled finger kinda negates the downside by giving you +1 to ring slot and Mystic Attunement increases the bonuses from your amulet by 25% (hence increasing the bonus to your minions). Lich would absolutely be better, but I liked the idea even if it ends up bad lol

[cobalt pollen]

bleed mark for huntress maybe...........................

the mark clusters aren't that exciting anyway

until the outer ring cluster anyway

[broken nexus]

what about the phylactery? putting in a strong minion gem could be powerful as well

[cobalt pollen]

adorned probably hits the phylac jewel

[loud geyser]

Mhm looking at that as well. 9/10 will go Lich minions for start of 0.20 but will stubbornly try to make a Ritualist minion build work after I've farmed some currency. A shame that Fixation of Yix and Necromantic Talisman keystone is either bugged or is not intended to work together

[broken nexus]

are all uniques bugged with necromantic talisman?

[loud geyser]

From what I'm reading in the multiple reddit threads some work and some don't

[heavy wigeon]

yeah that's real nice.

how are you getting that +1 chaos spell node it seems out the way

[broken nexus]

what are the alternatives

[static plinth]

t'is

[manic jungle]

you'd be pathing that way anyway to get eternal youth and the skill gems there?

[static plinth]

Unfortunately i dont have the game installed so i cant grab my tree

[broken nexus]

I tried making chaos witch but I fucked up by making her a bloodmage

[static plinth]

But yeah i have Eternal youth as well

Im pretty sure i do path the way you do, then i just path all the way down to it

Ducking in to grab eternal Youth and the ES/EV nodes there

[heavy wigeon]

🧎‍♂️

[static plinth]

Grab the small chance to poison nodes here btw

[heavy wigeon]

ty gamers I know nothing of building around chaos/es characters

[static plinth]

And i personally pathed down to this jewel socket because i needed it for my max fire res jewels

[heavy wigeon]

all of them? do they affect chaos dot somehow

[static plinth]

Contagion spreads poison, Dark Effigy gains a stack because of poison, and Drain Ailments can drain it

[heavy wigeon]

[static plinth]

Take as few as you feel is needed

IF you use hexblast you can go a bit harder into poison but otherwise its just for utility

[heavy wigeon]

yeah I'll grab as many as I can until Ghazzy puts out a minion build and I see what he changes in his tree

🫡

what lines am I looking for on the crystalline phylactery gem

[manic jungle]

probably not using crystalline phylactery

[heavy wigeon]

mm

the other nodes do seem insane

[livid ridge]

Id really only run the phylactery node if you're running a minion build without eternal life

[pastel quartz]

anyone know what the support / grouplay meta ended up being in the end?

[heavy wigeon]

did they confirm that unholy might doesn't apply to chaos damage? if so why and what's the work around?

I was going to go contagion and essence drain

[hidden siren]

looks to be included

bucklers are considered shields

[livid ridge]

Unholy might grants 30% of all damage as extra chaos damage so It should apply

[hidden siren]

ngl i think parry will be pretty useless if ur zooming

[heavy wigeon]

sorry chaos DOTs, dots specifically

[atomic halo]

gain as extra never works with damage over time

so, there's no workaround, and you're cooked.

[heavy wigeon]

minions it is

[atomic halo]

if you want to take advantage of gain as extra your damage needs to be hit-based.

[livid ridge]

Better hope for dot skills in the passive tree

[hidden siren]

i really wonder if how much would ingen belt be nerfed

bc 3 rings ammy and bonus to jewelry sounds broken

[lyric tulip]

I have a feeling they will just make it more rare and maybe 70%

Having chase items is part of poe

[wild stirrup]

would barrage count as a single instance of charges being consumed, or would an on consume effect trigger for each charge?

[cobalt pollen]

if the accuracy notable is just bonus crit then the plan might be resonance frenzy stuff

but it says additional so I'm assuming its base crit which is nutty

[wicked sparrow]

If you increase this to be above 100% does it increase the damage?

[wicked tiger]

How would you increase it to above 100%?

[cobalt pollen]

its just conversion

so cold doesn't deal cold anymore

its pure lightning

[wicked sparrow]

ingenuity or new ascendency. its a ring

[wicked tiger]

Is that a scalable value though? I don’t think you can increase it

If you press alt, does it say unscaleable?

[wicked sparrow]

well alt doesnt work on wiki

[wicked tiger]

https://www.pathofexile.com/forum/view-thread/3711068

Yeah since it’s a conversion it looks like it normalizes to 100%

So you don’t get extra damage

[wicked sparrow]

oh well

a missed opprotunity

[valid falcon]

Shadow11

[atomic halo]

shadow12

[bright locust]

pending the cataclysmic patch notes im 100% going a bleed Ritualist

the extra ring and the 25% ring buff node you basically get 4 rings

with the bleed crystals giving front loaded bleed dmg we got slow burn and burst options now

[low arrow]

Any build I should try while waiting for DoH?

[pearl sluice]

I thought Explosive Shot Deadeye was a lot of fun. Make sure to socket Scattershot to shotgun three projectiles. Then, take the bonus projectile from Deadeye. (The DPS goes down on the tab, but each projectile adds up.)

[craggy ice]

unironically attribute stacker and autobomber

i'd say both are pretty fun and are def gonna be gutted soon

[bright locust]

oh they are 100% gettin dumpstered in the patch notes

[low arrow]

Are there any poison/bleed builds that you would reccomend for ssf?

[bright locust]

bleed is gettin alot of love in DoH so im sure Huntress will have a nice SSF build

[low arrow]

Yeah but I want to play somethign now ;-;

[bright locust]

i mean there is a Pconc Pathfinder

gas cloud deadeye

[low arrow]

is this viable on ssf?

[bright locust]

pconc for sure just requires you to get the ascendacy skill and gas arrow only needs the ignite helm to be fully online

[low arrow]

I think I like the sound of pconc better

Will give it a try

Any build link/creator or something you can rec me for it?

Or should I just google

[bright locust]

google is your best bet i got trade vids

[lyric tulip]

Also means you need to invest into 3 rings

[bright locust]

good rings arenot hard to come by let alone unique rings

just 1 ring with 15% all res negates the negative node

[lyric tulip]

Having 15% res doesnt make a good ring

[viscid radish]

Given the recomb changes (expedition one), I believe crafting good rings won't be as hard

[bright locust]

^this

[lyric tulip]

Did you see the price of recombination? I didnt, i bet it will be hella expensive.

[viscid radish]

Also, if you're going 3 rings you're prolly gonna stack rarity + life + res/attributes

[viscid radish]

Price depends on mod selection

[bright locust]

or 2 rare one giga unique

[viscid radish]

For like a ton of high tier mods in recomb, the artifact price will be steep

But again, the RNG is gone so I'm willing to farm artifacts for the recomb

[lyric tulip]

And? Does that tell you the price?

[viscid radish]

THe price is in artifacts, not gold

Expedition artifacts

[lyric tulip]

Yes? I know. Youre missing my point.

[bright locust]

yes it does lol

[viscid radish]

Ah, my bad

[bright locust]

it tells you the cost when you go to craft it

[viscid radish]

Yes... It tells you exactly how many artifacts you need to craft it

[lyric tulip]

[viscid radish]

[bright locust]

i just hyped for a bleed build i played CB Warcry but that felt so bad later on and for single target

[lyric tulip]

My point was, that we have no idea on how many artifacts said recombinations will cost. We only have one hint and its outdated concept. In the trailer they show 100 artifacts being used for a single recombination. From what I could deduce, they thought thats TOO strong and they made the chances and price scale with the magnitude of the mods. So if you think that it will be "cheap" to recombine a bunch of good mods, you will be in a hard spot when you get there.

How many artifacts do you get from a single enocunter for example?

[viscid radish]

Point but... Gwennen will be in hideout, so can prolly recomb from there as well
And as I said, since it's a guaranteed roll I don't find farming the artifacts (yes, better rolls = more grinding for artifacts)

[lyric tulip]

What do you mean guaranteed roll? Its definitely not guaranteed.

[bright locust]

also with essences and omens being more common crafting will be easier

[lyric tulip]

Theres a chance to get the mods you chose, and then there is an extra chance for the item to be destroyed. Chances decreasing in in your favor based on the strength of the mods.

[lyric tulip]

2.5x more common omens are still out of reach for 99% of the playerbase in any meaningful way unfortunately. I dont know your "grade" of a player.

And I dont refute that more common essences will make things slightly easier. I personally didnt feel like essences were at all expensive when I played the launch.

[bright locust]

i play way too much to the point were its prob not good XD

[viscid radish]

From what I saw, you can select which mods you want and the price increases accordingly

[lyric tulip]

I just think you guys are making recombination sound like a magical solution when its not going to be that cheap to utilize.

[viscid radish]

May be wrong, but yeah... That's what seems to have been showcased

[viscid radish]

The point is not cheap/costly TBH, it's easy to recomb vs difficult to craft/drop

[lyric tulip]

Yes, price is dependant on the magnitude of the mods and their quantity. I wouldnt be surprised if the price scales much stronger the more better outcome you want.

[viscid radish]

It will definitely scale a lot

[bright locust]

Recombination will b cheaper then omen spamming

for sure

[viscid radish]

And that is what I mentioned here

[viscid radish]

Because of this

What's the point you're trying to make?

[lyric tulip]

The price and/or aquisition rate of expedition fragments will be tied to the top 1% of players and what they are using them to craft.

[viscid radish]

That it's costly or that it's hard?

[lyric tulip]

Both

[viscid radish]

Well, we'll know soon... But I don't see it being really hard

Even though I'm a casual player myself, seems easy enough to farm and use

Patch notes and actual gameplay might give me a better perspective though

[lyric tulip]

Its "easy" to farm yes, but the quantity you will need of them will be much higher than your expecting.

[bright locust]

i dont think its that deep lol

either it will be op or useless to the 1% almost instantly

price is decided then

useless = cheap, OP = expensive

[lyric tulip]

Its going to be useful, the price ranges will be so astronomical to make it "op"

[bright locust]

if its not optimal the 1% wont use it considering the 1% can afford the Omens

[viscid radish]

I'll just wait to see how it works... Since they do plan on orienting the game towards fresher players, I doubt they'll make it so abhorrent

[lyric tulip]

Fresher players wont need to utilize the top end of recombination.

Anyways, I feel like you might have thought that I have beef with you guys, I just wanted to make sure youre tempering your expectations with it and not expecting it to be an be all solution. Have fun

[viscid radish]

Nah nah, definitely didn't look at it that way

Language matters, and you ain't using aggressive language so I get your point

[bright locust]

i got way to many hours in poe 1 to have any sort of high expectation for anything XD to me its garbage till proven otherwise XD

[cobalt pollen]

the more I look the more I feel inclined to leaguestart kitava with a spear

spell on hit shenanigans or if it sucks just become a tank and see if temper weapon is worth the fuss

I've never done warrior but his side of the tree looks very doable with spears

lots of bleed enabling clusters for 1 giga bleed

[bright locust]

that is doable for sure

[cobalt pollen]

and this ascend has so many escape routes for shit builds

[bright locust]

my backup is Spectres

if ritualist fails

[cobalt pollen]

I would never survive the journey of routing towards minions on huntress/warrior slice

[bright locust]

oh no i would go witch

[cobalt pollen]

my brain would short circuit

[bright locust]

the Beast companion has peaked my interest for sure with it keeping the rare mods

[noble token]

what are current options for generating endurance charges with a dex build? i want to play fire infusion amazon but endurance charges are the worst out of the 3. alternatively power charges also with a dex build, since i can spec into resonance

[mighty wing]

was wondering this aswell

[woven depot]

Combat Frenzy + Resonance is probably the best bet for generating power charges, but we kinda have to see all the spear skills first as well, endurance charges could be tied to some buckler skill who knows

Sniper's mark is also pretty good as a low effort charge generator

[mighty wing]

in this case we would need powercharges before resonance tho, might just be another unusable addition they added just to call it "diversity"

[woven depot]

weapon swap with quarterstaff to power siphon

nvm wrong ability

thats the wand one

Siphoning strike i meant

[static torrent]

If doing Lightning damage, Quarterstaff would allow you to use- yeah that

[mighty wing]

might work yeah, thats just seems way too complicated to get the 2 infusions

from the notable

[cobalt pollen]

theres unique gloves that give 1-3 random charges when you reach max rage

and you can roll less max rage

[mighty wing]

bro might be onto something, does rage stack on multiple enemies hit or is it just 1 per attack

[static torrent]

There's a bunch of stuff that gives various charges, and likely way more to come over time, so even if the current version of the game didn't have the tools for it, you'll eventually get some build that gets every charge every second due to some weird combo of interactions and can just spam out Infusions.

[cobalt pollen]

and then infusions get slammed by nerfs because they're 600% attack dmg at lvl 20

[mighty wing]

yeah really waiting to see the patch notes

[delicate fern]

These are a few items you can use to generate charges just by attacking without any clunky conditions

Although for hateforge i am not sure if there's a way to get rage with projectile attacks

[static torrent]

Font of Rage or Raging Cry could both grant Rage without the need for a Melee attack

[cobalt pollen]

I wonder if the multi hit bleed counts for multiple seperate hits for rage

you can get rage on hit jewels

nodes on tree

[delicate fern]

I guess they can work but are a bit slow to generate rage, probably the best way to do it is just use some melee spear skill, with some rage on hit from tree + support you can get max rage in 2 hits maybe even 1 if you invest into it

Shouldn't feel that bad to do that once in a while

[vernal falcon]

Isn't there that unique chest that gives a ton of power charges but stuns or something if you reach max

[cobalt pollen]

also infernal cry with rage gain

[vernal falcon]

Shouldn't be a problem with every ability consuming a charge

[gaunt mortar]

Rage gain is per attack not enemy hit

[mighty wing]

true

[delicate fern]

Yeah but you can increase the rage you get from the attack, with a -10 max rage on gloves (probably can get more with corruption) you need 10 on hit to get max rage in 2 hits

Or well attacks

Which is plenty to sustain charge consumption for the elemental infusions

[gaunt mortar]

Irongrasp unique armour plus SoK fire spell on hit = stonks

[delicate fern]

But yeah hateforge will require some building around it, the simplest solution is to just use redflare for a 20% charge on hit

[mighty wing]

this with the new shield for fire damage per block chance, the only problem would be you have no mana or health

[gaunt mortar]

Just use a crossbow and go eva/es or something, might not even need to go super heavy in defense with the body armour nodes who knows. But I'm Definitely planning a crossbow fire spell on hit irongrasp build

We still gotta see patch notes as well

[mighty wing]

you cant use the armor nodes

[gaunt mortar]

Huh

[mighty wing]

your body armor needs to be white

[gaunt mortar]

Oh yeah duh

It's still gonna work, maybe they'll make it so circular teachings interacts with it

It doesn't currently

[vernal falcon]

Which build do you think will work for the tame beast champion like build. Merc or witch?

That or does anyone know if spectres will keep their mods like tame beast?

[static torrent]

No, they won't.

[vernal falcon]

Gotcha. The idea of finding a giga modded mob and making it a pet is peak to me so ig I'm going tame beast

I wonder if it steals the mods from events like the new spirit event too?

[static torrent]

No, and it's limited to 4 mods on the rare in total, iirc

[vernal falcon]

Damn. Coping but maybe they change it lol

[vernal falcon]

And ye ik about 4 mods total on rares normally, but finding the 4 perfect mods on the right beast is the fun of it to me

[cobalt pollen]

gemling for multiple minion types

[vernal falcon]

Figured it be the new merc?

To buff the shit out of it with my weapon damage

[cobalt pollen]

if I were to leaguestart I would want to see if gemling got any changes

but multiple spectres means you could do double gems with the ascend

2 copies enormity

[vernal falcon]

Hmmmm wait would

Gemling let you have 2 tame beasts?

Or am I misremember it wrong

[cobalt pollen]

if it's possible it's not gemling specific

[vernal falcon]

Nah tame beast is specific 1 only

I'd probably put left over spirit into either spectres or the new mercenary ability I saw somewhere

I think new merc is probably the play for tame beast

[static torrent]

You can only have one Companion at a time, and if you increase that limit - there are ways to do so - you can only have one of a given Companion, so no having two Rhoa Mounts or two Tamed Beasts.

[sharp glade]

companions+spectres?

[static torrent]

Spectres aren't Companions, so that would work. Only issue would be attribute requirements, I suppose.

[hidden siren]

es is being nerfed

mf is also being nerfed

gpod thing i dont use either lol

[vernal falcon]

How do you increase companion cap btw?

[hidden siren]

if its a skill gem theres a support gem that increases limit

[vernal falcon]

Ik you can't have 2 of the same

But if I wanted 2 different companions

[static torrent]

There's a keystone for it, apparently.

[vernal falcon]

Really? Alright thanks

Can't verify if it's true but a friend sent me an ability where you summon a mercenary companion you can put gear on

So that and beast

[static torrent]

That wasn't announced for 0.2

It's only in the files at the moment, and may never be added, or be added in a different state to what we can currently see.

[pallid cargo]

guys, are they gonna make changes on gems? is it too early to pick a build?

[hidden siren]

yes

wait for patch notes

im still going to theorycraft to get started

[pearl sluice]

with 100 new gems...best to wait for patch notes

[pallid cargo]

holy, 100 new gems? that's a tons

[dawn spire]

If they weigh at least 10 kg each, yeah, at least one metric ton

[static torrent]

100 new support gems, to be more precise.

[dawn spire]

Two new skill gems

[hoary bolt]

doesnt huntress have like 25

[static torrent]

Yes, it's closer to that

[hoary bolt]

22 for huntress it seems

[static torrent]

Or rather, it is that according to the trailer, not sure if it counts Spirit gems or any other additions

[hoary bolt]

raise spectre is 1

[hidden siren]

i posted the huntress skill chart yesterday

[static torrent]

2 are existing skills

[dusk narwhal]

barrage & sniper's mark aren't new. So 20 from huntress, then spectre and roa mount,
Left with 3 mysterious ones?

[static torrent]

Herald of Blood is 1 more

So possibly 2 more Spirit gems beside that

[dusk narwhal]

oooh, yeah that. That one sounds fun

[hidden siren]

spirit gems and ascendancy skill gems

[dusk narwhal]

nah, ascendancy skills wouldn't count

[static torrent]

I don't think those would count, we're getting more than 25 if they do

[dusk narwhal]

there's too many of them to count towards that 25 number

[hidden siren]

then its for other classes

[dusk narwhal]

I wish it was spirit gems. We need more of a variety

[broken nexus]

regeneration mob would be funny

[dusk narwhal]

it is interesting that tame beast is a skill, not a spirit, gem.

[hoary bolt]

im going to wager a guess that bloodhounds mark is just more damage with the next instance of bleeding on the target

[hidden siren]

waiting on patch notes to see if bleed is viable

[hoary bolt]

i hope so

[dawn spire]

I'm hoping for some support for corrupting cry and/or chaos dot

[waxen otter]

Which class/ ascendancy do we use for bleed build? I was thinking spear for the weapon, huntress seems good with both ascendancies, but warrior has a better league start with the fire res nodes. But armour, as of now, sucks so it would not feel very good

[vernal falcon]

Hmm. Probably won't need a spear out for tame beast but it'd suck if it did

[dawn spire]

Smith of Kitava can just about do anything and it's what I'm eyeing for hcssf

[vernal falcon]

Mark of bloodhound sounds like a minion focused mark which would be cool

[waxen otter]

True but then i waste nodes on pathing

[dawn spire]

What do you mean?

[waxen otter]

To get to right sides nodes

[dawn spire]

Aren't there bleed nodes on the south side?

I haven't looked at the tree in a hot minute so I could be wrong

[waxen otter]

I did not think so, thought it was pure right

Maybe you right though ive not looked since end of january

Assuming they are south, which would you take?

[dawn spire]

These are all the bleed nodes currently on the tree

[hidden siren]

if u want to play bleed merc is basically the play

[waxen otter]

Oh wow

[limber lodge]

🙏 praying for actual generic DoT clusters in new tree

[waxen otter]

I want spears

[dawn spire]

You can use spears with merc

[hidden siren]

?

[waxen otter]

What asendancy does merc offer?

[dawn spire]

Gemling is basically always good unless they really gut attribute stacking

[hidden siren]

passive tree is being reset so the current one will most likely have new nodes/different ones

[dawn spire]

Tactician is pretty slick in general as well. Those defensive nodes seem really nice

[waxen otter]

Mhm

[vernal falcon]

Tactician is a mix of ally buffs, cc, and defence

[dawn spire]

Idk if "reset" is the word I'd use

[hidden siren]

? ur skill points get reset

and u have to redo it when update comes out

they said it wdym not a reset

[waxen otter]

So then its between smith if kitava for 90 all res, huntress for rings/crit and infuse weapon, or merc for attributes?

[hidden siren]

any current characters skill tree will be reset for the changes and u have to redo the tree again

basically a free respec token

[limber lodge]

It's just the way you phrased it, Shira. Made it sound like the reason we were getting updates to the passive tree was because the passive tree is being reset. It's the other way around.

[hidden siren]

oh

[dawn spire]

Your passive points are getting reset, the tree isn't being reset. You made it sound like the tree was getting completely overhauled

[hidden siren]

there are going to be changes

not sure the extent tho

[dawn spire]

Yeah, I'm guessing mostly the addition of spear nodes

[limber lodge]

🙏 pray for dot clusters. pls bungie

[hidden siren]

nah

spear is already there

[dawn spire]

Have you read them?

They're not real nodes

[hidden siren]

i meant like they arent adding new ones to somewhere else

[waxen otter]

Anyone have suggestions on which to take pre patch notes?

[dawn spire]

We don't know that

[hidden siren]

they will prob change the nodes on them

[dawn spire]

Yeah I suggest you spin a wheel if you want ideas pre patch notes

[hidden siren]

all the weapon clusters only have 1 for the main weapon

[waxen otter]

Lmao fair enough

[dawn spire]

Tru

[hidden siren]

why would there be multiple spear nodes

[limber lodge]

I hope they reduce travel nodes. The density of useful nodes is way higher in poe 1's tree and IMO it's because on average more clusters are connected to each travel node. One easy way to get that density higher is to just reduce travel nodes

[hidden siren]

i dont think travel nodes are that bad

[limber lodge]

There are a lot of travel nodes that only have 1 cluster

[hidden siren]

if u travel from the inner tree definitely but its shorter when ur pathing on the outer edges

im still on the fence of what class to play bc patch notes

would like to do huntress if possible

[dawn spire]

Oh, true. I keep mixing up the 1 and 2 trees

[waxen otter]

What do you think of her asendancy?

[dawn spire]

I guess the tradeoff is that jewels are now travel nodes and some clusters act as bridges between sections

[hidden siren]

both are good i think

[dawn spire]

Ritualist looks so cool

[hidden siren]

one is pure dex the other gives u another whole ring

[dawn spire]

Three rings and boosted stats on jewelery sounds nuts. Maybe not for ssf tho

[waxen otter]

Amazon seems ok, depends on crit node. And then ritual seems fun af

[hidden siren]

ingen belt might be nerfed or reduced drop rate

[waxen otter]

Deff nerfed

[dawn spire]

But unless they nerf the hell out of str stacking, I'm just gonna remake my corrupting cry gemling

[hidden siren]

im waiting on node changes bc my build has defenses but not a lot of dmg

[waxen otter]

Why not ssf?

[dawn spire]

They're nerfing attribute stacking, but also ES stacking. So I'm hoping gemling str stacking will be pretty strong by comparison

[waxen otter]

Oh wait ssf not softcore mb

[dawn spire]

Harder to get good rings in ssf

[limber lodge]

Yeah which is great once you can get really solid 3/4 stat jewels. I agree with that, it makes a big difference -- but only late. Getting like ~7 really solid 3-4 stat jewels is quite the investment

[hidden siren]

i also need to check all the spear skills

[waxen otter]

Yea i messed up the acyonmes

[dawn spire]

Take a deep breath

Also those are initialisms, not acronyms 🤓

[hidden siren]

my issue is how u would even reduce travel nodes

[waxen otter]

💀

[hidden siren]

itll be a buff

i think current tree is ok

stat stacking would be hard to balance if there were less travel nodes

[dawn spire]

I actually kinda hope they nerf the hell out of corrupting cry gemling so I have an excuse to go back to my one true love - Chronomancer

Chaos dot chrono sounds so fun

[crimson oar]

is bleed viable? My idea was to make an AP rounds - high velocity rounds bleed build

[broken nexus]

why not lich?

you get unholy might

[dawn spire]

Wait for them patch notes

[hidden siren]

we have no idea until patch notes comes out

[dawn spire]

Unholy might does nothing for dots

[broken nexus]

didnt know

well there goes my plan

[dawn spire]

Damage added as X only affects hits

[hidden siren]

bleed is doable rn

but sucks

[broken nexus]

doin bleed rn is like doin templar build rn

you can click nodes but theres no support for it

XD

god I cant wait for templar to come out

[hidden siren]

bleed sucks bc stacks are limited and doesnt have cc like cold or lightning

[dawn spire]

100 new support gems gives me hope

[waxen otter]

The few bleed supports they showed look good

[broken nexus]

time to put speed reading to use

[waxen otter]

Could even use a swap where 1 gen is dot support and 1 gen uses the crystal bleed for clear

[hidden siren]

bleed is viable rn with xbow but still sucks

[dawn spire]

Using multiple copies of the same skill gem seems pretty good in general

[hidden siren]

dot is slow

i like low budget builds

[dawn spire]

Then corrupting cry gemling might be perfect for you

[limber lodge]

poison damage is based on the damage of the hit though, so doesn't e.g., %damage added as extra chaos adds poison damage. Just confirmed this in PoB w/ Ming's Heart

[dawn spire]

Yeah, but chaos dot builds are typically not poison ones. AFAIK, people say chaos dot for non-poison

[limber lodge]

ah yeah ok that's true

[hidden siren]

poison u pretty much just increase the stack limit to do more dmg

[limber lodge]

🙏 for DoT nodes pls

[dawn spire]

Yes pls. Corrupting cry gemling is already too easy. Need a challenge for hcssf

[limber lodge]

i just want to play good ol' ed/contagion. it's fun, it feels good to play

[alpine summit]

where did they mentioned this?

[limber lodge]

Not sure if it was explicit but definitely implied from JR saying "It's going to look like a nerf fest". ES (especially Grim Feast though I don't think that was mentioned specifically) and attribute stacking were mega nuts scaling vectors in 0.1. So they'll be nerfed 100%.

[dawn spire]

In an interview, I heard it secondhand from ziz

[potent swift]

Assuming relatively no huge changes to current skills, what class/build will be least gear-heavy for a good endgame content experience?

[hidden siren]

yeah looks like non english outlets got some of the important questions lol

[sterile latch]

wrong assumption, they explicitely said every skills / ascendancy have changed so dont overthink too hard

[dawn spire]

Depends on what you find fun and "a good endgame content experience"

Once you get seismic cry at 44, corrupting cry str stacking gemling is super easy to gear and play. And it's beefy af. Also kinda slaps once you get a 4-socket seismic cry

[crimson oar]

Are "% more crit chance" and "% more chance to critically hit" the same thing?

And more specifically, are those additive to base crit chance or multiplicative?

[modest hemlock]

How do we do a boss set up? I keep hearing people have dual setup for boss with diff skill and passive gems

[dawn spire]

Weapon set points is what I would guess. Or even go as far as swapping support gems for bosses

[dawn spire]

What is the context exactly? I'm not sure I've heard of both of those

[modest hemlock]

Yes swapping support gems

But can it be auto? Or is manual

[dawn spire]

Gotta do it manually

Or, if you can fit them, you can use two of the same skill with different support gems

[modest hemlock]

Wow, people actually do that? That’s quite a hassle

[dawn spire]

Yeah, it's not common though

[modest hemlock]

I saw someone saying swapping support gems for boss and I am like wat?

[dawn spire]

I don't think they mean for just any boss. I'm guessing it's for pinnacle bosses

[modest hemlock]

Yes

[hidden siren]

im trying to make an one shot spear build but have to see what the strongest single target skill for spear is

[modest hemlock]

Thanks for the info

[dawn spire]

When I'm leveling a chaos dot build I use an essence drain with hourglass for bosses and one with chain and other stuff for clearing

[modest hemlock]

I see I am pretty new to poe, all these is new to me

[dawn spire]

Welcome! Best General advice I can give is to hold alt and read all the underlined stuff you can

Knowledge is power

[crimson oar]

the Ambush and Excise support gems

Since it doesn't say "increased crit chance", I was thinking it could add to the weapons base crit chance, but I'm low on uncut support gems and don#t want to gamble and be wrong

[dawn spire]

Those offer the same stat as far as I'm aware

[dawn spire]

Neither of them add to the base crit

100% more crit chance and 40% more crit chance is basically what they give you

[crimson oar]

oh, so no excise + inevitable crit for a nearly guaranteed crit?

[dawn spire]

Not necessarily

Depends on your base crit

And your increased crit

[crimson oar]

my idea was to use those 2 supports + lacerate on my high velocity rounds for boss killing, getting a high damage crit bleed

[dawn spire]

If you have a base crit of 5%, 200% increased crit chance, and both of those gems applying:
5 x 3 x 2 x 1.4 = 42% total crit chance

But if your base crit is 10%, you'd go up to 84% crit

[crimson oar]

are there any wayt to improve my base crit chance with passives?

[dawn spire]

Not that I know of, but there might be

Usually you need to get crit on your weapon if you want better base crit for attack skills

[jaunty rover]

yes there is a node on ranger side

[crimson oar]

hoh

[small slate]

I can't wait for these patch notes...I need to see what they do with the Chayula ascendancy!

Ideally I can cook a melee ice and chaos damage build

[swift aspen]

How much does stun threshold affect stagger bar fill rate with raise shield?

[manic jungle]

Do as extra damage sources get converted by damage conversions?

[atomic halo]

no, they are applied at the same time

gain as extra is just conversion that doesn't take damage away from the originator type

so 100 cold -> 100 chaos + 29 fire + 25 cold

[manic jungle]

does % increased chaos damage increase a Gain % of damage as bonus chaos?

[static torrent]

Yes, converted damage is affected by the modifiers to the final damage type only, so the 100 Chaos would be affected by generic and Chaos-specific modifers, the 29 fire by generic and Fire, and same with the Cold.

[manic jungle]

ok. if an elemental attack is being converted into chaos, it makes generic elemental % boost worthless right?

[static torrent]

If the end result is that all of the damage dealt is Chaos, then yes, you'd be gaining nothing from modifiers specific to Elemental damage.

[manic jungle]

are resistances calculated on hit or with final damage? if I hit something with detonate dead or something that is being converted into chaos, would I want the enemy cursed with fire debuff or chaos debuff

[dawn spire]

The resistance only applies to the final damage type they take. So if you convert to chaos it is negated by the enemy's chaos resistance no matter what your damage was before

[manic jungle]

ok thanks guys

ill let you know if whatever im throwing togeter is cooking

there'll be a second person in poe2 using the unique

[safe patrol]

Anyone else wondering how the "Your life cannot change while you have energy shield" node (from Lich) will interact with things like "sacrifice x% life" and mana costs converted to life??

[neat bison]

It’s safest to assume that you can’t pay a cost if your life can’t change but we just won’t know for sure until it’s playable

[safe patrol]

That's what I was thinking. Hoping to get a sick interaction cooking.. Guess I'll stick with other ascendancies for now

[raven gulch]

Hoe are we gonna stack hexblast damage in late game with lich? The only really good bossing and map clear hexblast atm is like mana stacking crit bloodmage and demon form. So curious to see how we can ramp with hexblast on lich without the blackened heart ascenancy path

[raven gulch]

Also, do most enemies not have chaos res unless stated?

[limber lodge]

poison hexblast is also good apparently but the highest dps variant I saw for that used archmage plaguefinder gloves to allow the lightning damage from archmage to contribute to poison magnitude: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6gPq8RJzRc4

Since poison scales with hit damage and thus scales with Unholy might, this would be a good route. That said, we're surely going to see big nerfs to mana and archmage in particular

You can get a pretty crazy amount of poison magnitude % on jewels. It's a large contributor to this build's damage.

[quartz spruce]

Noice. I do Chulupa monk hexblast as well. I just go for hit though. Does more than enough haha

[manic jungle]

it's farily easy to scale chaos damage on skilltree

[limber lodge]

obviously we don't know what the changes to the passive tree are, but all the PoBing I've done so far demonstrates that poison is just better than hit-only

[quartz spruce]

Going to do a chalupa monk spear this time around. Armor break for frenzy charge generation type build.

I think the instant mana leech will make me able to max my attack speed.

[quartz spruce]

Oh for sure. The multi scaling is crazy.

I bet there is a ton of new supports for DoT too that'd be great.

[limber lodge]

that sounds like copium but I'm here for it

[quartz spruce]

In my build I focus to get 100%+ wither

[distant dome]

You can get ~300% Extra chaos damage from The Dark Defiler using a weapon swap for no investment rank 33 Unearth. Unearth snapshots the gear/points assigned on being cast and you can turn on sacrificial during the weapon swap to maintain unearth minions during boss fights.

If dark defiler/Unearth aren't fundamentally changed, I'll be testing the combo again in 0.2. I doubt the Dark Defiler will get nerfed as nobody has been using it, but unearth minion count might be

[manic jungle]

will have to see how juiced we can get jewels with the crafting options

but like filling up 19 jewel slots + the 2 lich slots

kind of a lot

with literarl creative mode lv 100 it's :
+420 intelligence / some split into other atr for gear requirements
+130% Spell area of effect
+10 Spell area damage
+26 spell damage
+328% chaos damage
+285% crit rate
+380% crit damage
+380% max energy sheild
+230% wither
+1 to level of all chaos skills
Gain 11% of Damage as extra chaos damage

Lich ascendency
+40% energy shield
+30% crit rate
+40% crit damage
+40% max energy sheild
+24% chaos damage
+20% wither
Non Channeling spells do 30% more damage.
Unholy might 30% all damage as extra chaos damage + 4% increased magnitude per 100 maximum mana

[quartz spruce]

That's crazy

[limber lodge]

Where's the rank 33 unearth come from

[distant dome]

Weapon swap, +5 physical Wand, +5 minion scepter, +3 spells neck

[manic jungle]

and the +physical +minion on the skillgem +the lv21 corrupt gem etc

[quartz spruce]

Just use a 1 spirit specter 👻

[manic jungle]

you go higher right?

[distant dome]

you also use your weapon swap 2 points for minion health, and the unearth minions keep the green nodes when you swap back to your red nodes

[quartz spruce]

I wanted to use a quarter staff on my back for hand skills and mantra, but I may have to try this.

[distant dome]

More nodes to keep unearth minions tanky

[limber lodge]

How's the weapon swap work -- you use dark defiler in your main weapon set (e.g., Hexblast) to benefit from the X% Added damage as chaos from all the minions you created w/ thicc Unearth?

[quartz spruce]

Can use a power siphon wand with it for free endurance charges thoo

[limber lodge]

and then you just swap to the phys wand and 5 minion scepter

for the unearth

?

[distant dome]

yep

[limber lodge]

that's nutty

how do you get corpses for unearth on boss fights? I've basically never dealt with corpses/minions.

[distant dome]

during the weapon swap you turn off blasphemy, turn on Sacrificial, and up clerics from 8 to 15

so you always have enough corpses during boss fights

[limber lodge]

sorry, sacrificial?

[distant dome]

sorry, Sacrifice

Sacrificial is a D4 aspect, whoops XD

[limber lodge]

holy that's nuts.

the sacrifice dark defiler tech not the jewel tree

[distant dome]

It's decent, but it's nowhere near as good as the bonkers things people were doing with Demonform, and so I never made a video on it

[limber lodge]

you can use soul offering too with this I assume?

[distant dome]

Yep, slot 2 for soul offering

cuz the buff doesn't fall off when you swap weapons and you squeeze out an extra 5 gem ranks from scepter

[limber lodge]

bruh ship the pob for real i may have to do this w/ lich sounds insane

hopefully hexblast comes out ahead after nerfs

[manic jungle]

it should not much people are hexblast

[distant dome]

I made this video before I had it fully optimized. I didn't use things like SRS for an extra 10 minions, and this was pre-buff Dark Defiler, so I was only getting 4% more damage per minion, not 6%
https://youtu.be/55-jds2KsCU?si=cSCOtEnGVCyGfd0A
Haven't played in 2+ months, just coming back in prep for 0.2. I never got my gear set to cost more than a dozen divs.

[cursive girder]

Does anyone know of any good non-minion witch builds that work for endgame? I want to do a non minion Lich but trying to wrap my head around the current state of non minion witch builds

[manic jungle]

stack 20 of these with 100% adorned lol

+640% withered probably goes hard

with 80% mana on kill?

[cinder raven]

I was thinking of power charge stacking CI lich

With atziri disdain and blood magic or lifetap we would not require mana and we have 35% dmg mitigation right of the bat

And with +4 power charges from tree and +1 from helmet corruption and +1 from unique boots

We have total 9 power charges

For 225% more dmg

[manic jungle]

do you actually get more damage over just using a chiming staff with sacrifice minion backbar, and using a + levels focus on your frontbar?

[limber lodge]

Hmmm... sometimes soul offering goes away and sometimes it doesn't when i swap back to my hexblast weapon swap... doesn't seem very reliable. Know what's going on here?

[distant dome]

no idea. I just wanted to see how far I could push Dark Defiler, in part because I liked having minions, and in part because I knew nobody else was looking at it.

[cursive girder]

Does Atziri Disdain not bypass energy shield and hit the 1hp from CI?

[limber lodge]

it does, yes

[distant dome]

No idea, didn't happen to me back in January

[manic jungle]

ill try it, the minions might hit hard with the unholy might

[cinder raven]

Not with the ascendancy passive

[limber lodge]

right yeah, not with lich ascendancy. correct

[manic jungle]

if minions will clear the map while I just ride the mount that would be hilarious

[cursive girder]

Ohhhhhhhhh

Dayumm that’s a cool idea

[limber lodge]

Issue is though, with blood mage + CI you won't be able to cast your spells.

[cinder raven]

Ah yeah forgot about cost

[limber lodge]

you need at least as much HP as your spell costs

[distant dome]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KVbAfZ64IWM I wanted to see how far I could push Unearth minions, while not running a minion build. Unfortunately, over half of them didn't attack because of bad AI/Collision. Still managed to kill a level 84 both using only them and almost 0 skill point investment. (I did use Eye of Winter for it's crit buff)

To be very clear, this is not a particularly good build, by any current meta standard, but it was a fun power fantasy at the time.

[limber lodge]

And if you go CI with lich ascendancy as well, your mana regen is going to AWFUL. Lol

If you take Eternal Life, obviously

[cinder raven]

Well ghostwrithe instead of CI will do ig

[limber lodge]

tbh a regular ol' rare chest w/ spirit and ES is probably going to be better than ghostwrithe

[cinder raven]

That's there too

[cursive girder]

That ascendancy point is sort of like a built in CI already though isn’t it? wouldn’t it just prevent chaos damage from bypassing your shield?

[cinder raven]

Only 35% with atziris disdain

Chaos dmg works differently in poe 2

It doesn't bypass es

It makes es take double dmg

[cursive girder]

Oh right

[manic jungle]

If the Atziri Disdain tech works like we hope then ill run the eternal life, but Its too good to be true and run the philactary and empowerment if it doesnt work like that

[limber lodge]

the disdain tech 100% works, no concern about that

[cinder raven]

What are some good jewels for the ascendancy?

[atomic halo]

atziri itself might be changed, it's really powerful in general already

[limber lodge]

this is true

it might

[atomic halo]

only the 10% on the asc already can be considered as truly locked in

[limber lodge]

crit bonus and poison magnitude are nuts jewel affixes

[worn whale]

what ascendancy are you guys gonna go for spectres?

[worn whale]

i feel like lich gets, what, one minion node?

[cinder raven]

Also how much es can you tipically stack with gear and atziri?

[manic jungle]

lich

[worn whale]

just for unholy might?

bc everything else wants you to cast spells, right?

[limber lodge]

lice should be very tanky and it has unholy might and explosions

[worn whale]

oh and corpseplosions

i guess theres always, uh, gemling?

sucks in terms of tree starting point though

[distant dome]

Doesn't lich get 2x value from all jewels? or is just that one jewel. cuz that's pretty cracked if it's all jewels

[worn whale]

(is that still a thing? i dont remember)

[limber lodge]

no. only the one jewel

[distant dome]

k

[cinder raven]

What's base life at lvl 90 with no attributes?

[manic jungle]

1130

[hoary bolt]

1096

[cinder raven]

So even with no investment into life that's 60 mana regen per sec

Form ascendancy

Without archmage how much mana do you think a spellcaster consumes per sec?

[manic jungle]

2000 per sec

oh without archmage

idk

[hoary bolt]

its 1205 when you do both candlemass quests

[cinder raven]

72 then

So I've any played archmage so I know for that spell cost is through the roof

But is 72 mana regen per sec enough without archmage?

[manic jungle]

most regen right now comes from the mana renmants

and boss regen is pointless cause its dead before you quick finish

[cinder raven]

So technically we won't even have to go blood magic route

Also aegis aurora good for es stackers in poe 2?

[manic jungle]

im planning on getting all my mana sustain from on kill effect from jewels

[cinder raven]

Wouldn't on hit be better for bossing as well?

[limber lodge]

Depends on ur point in the build. My hexblast PoB is showing 400 life/second in cost on a 5 link level 17 hexblast in league start gear at level 70. This is w/ blood mage so if that wasn't selected it'd just be the mana cost.

In my 'solidly geared character' setup (rares have 5 t2 mods and a +3 hexblast prism of belief, though that will probably be absurdly expensive this league) my life/second is 1473, but without the Prism of Belief it's only 1015 life/sec.

In that setup, with just life (which tbh I don't really need so whatever) on rings and belt, that character is at 1477 life. 6% of that is 88. So if I wasn't using blood magic I'd need 1600% increased mana regen to be able to cast my spells w/o mana flask.

I dunno, blood magic seems pretty good. It's in BFE though

[cinder raven]

Then looks like completely forgoing mana costs seem to be the way

We can prolly run cast on ignite builds this way

[limber lodge]

It's certainly the most brain-off option.

[cinder raven]

Also wouldn't mana tempest have infinite duration?

[limber lodge]

it won't do anything. you aren't using mana. "Creates a storm of arcane energies that empowers your mana-costing spells...."

[cinder raven]

Ah damn

Ah well stacking increased magnitude of ignite and then running cast on ignite seems ideal for now

With loads of power charges

[limber lodge]

huh, apparently sigil of power works with blood magic... i'm testing it right now in game... that's actually huge

[cinder raven]

Doesn't that track mana usage?

To give buff?

[limber lodge]

what's the the gem says, but I have blood magic allocated right now and I am getting up to 4 sigil of power stacks while casting

[cinder raven]

Damn

[limber lodge]

That's insanely hype. No need for complicated offhand tech. Just send it with sigil of power

[cinder raven]

Hmm what's else is good for cast on ignite?

[limber lodge]

no idea never done that

[cinder raven]

Yeah I did Barrier invocation

BI levels of power will never be reached again I think

[limber lodge]

I'm a simple man. I like casting spells myself

[dense laurel]

I'm gonna make a Smith of kitava spear thrower build

[sharp glade]

ah yes lich would get free 100% adorned for all jewels not just magic corrupt

makes sense

[autumn hawk]

i doubt its all, but it does specifically say 100% increased effectiveness of socketed jewels. Jewels being plural

rather than increased effectiveness of the socketed jewel

[sharp glade]

because its a property of the socket itself

adorned grants increased effect to sockets not jewels

[autumn hawk]

makes sense

[distant dome]

"Socketed Jewel" would also be correct grammar tho

but yeah, 100% more power on all jewels is wildly overpowered

[autumn hawk]

thats where im like i can see cause for confusion but they wouldnt do that

[sharp glade]

i am not talking about grammar

i am talking about how adorned works

[autumn hawk]

right screw grammer, im talking about jesus

[sharp glade]

go read it

it buffs the sockets not the jewels

[autumn hawk]

you think adorned would buff the socket on ascendancy also if u had both

and used a magic jewel

[sharp glade]

yea

ofc

[autumn hawk]

think it would be multiplicative?>

[sharp glade]

increased is additive

[autumn hawk]

or just say 100% + 100%

[sharp glade]

always

[autumn hawk]

dang

more is the multiplicative correct?

"40% more damage"

[sharp glade]

is this your first poe game

[autumn hawk]

only 400 hourson poe1 and its from phrecia

so essentially

[sharp glade]

400 hrs on phrecia???

[autumn hawk]

😄

[sharp glade]

you must have really liked poe 2

[autumn hawk]

what can i say i got problems man

yeah i used to be super into diablo 3 so when D4 sucked i had to find a new itch, poe2 is fantastic bones. I think it needs a lot of work, but the bones are great

this is poe2 lmao, id say 150 are afk tho

also haven't played in like 3-4 weeks

[hidden siren]

i got bored

[autumn hawk]

i got bored as well

[hidden siren]

no wasd sucks for poe1

put me off on coming back

made it to like lvl 18

[autumn hawk]

endgame just wasn't hitting on poe2 after i played poe1

poe1 endgame is just "Chefs kiss"

[hidden siren]

yeah but i really prefer wasd movement so had to drop it

went back to d4

now back to poe2 when update hits

[autumn hawk]

And i really see why a lot of the people who came from poe1 have the complaints they do now; like not picking what maps you get - the "Favoriting maps" from poe1 is great

i dont want to run the dogcrap maps on poe2 to get to the good maps

i think this new tower mechanic will be great if the unique tablet they showcased isnt super uber rare (making it ridiculously expensive)

that lets u select any map in range

[silent glade]

fwiw I've gone and updated the wording on that node since this preview to try and make it more clear

but yeah it is only 100% effect to the jewel you socket in the ascendancy itself

[sharp glade]

its not selling the phylactery fantasy anyway

[dawn spire]

One day we'll get link skills in poe2, then your friends can be your phylacteries

[sharp glade]

atm its just a 2 free jewel slots node, and a bit worse at that due to being additive with adorned, and not taking uniques/timeless

[dense laurel]

I thought this was build planning? 🤔

Not "let's gripe about everything" channel

[dawn spire]

Well now you're griping about griping that occurred 20 minutes ago.

How tf does the body armor stuff work with Smith?

Can you allocate multiple of those?

[limber lodge]

Yup you can allocate 8. They each cost 1 ascendancy point

[dawn spire]

Holy moly

[limber lodge]

Yeah p cool

[dawn spire]

Chaos dot Smith of Kitava here I come

[limber lodge]

90% all res ez with jewels, 25 phys to fire is sick

Maaaad tank

[sharp glade]

until you roll -max res

[dawn spire]

I mean, you're still way tankier than you'd be without that max res in a - max res map

I might just do corrupted cry warrior instead of gemling... I'm thinking I'll take the four points for sharing max fire res with cold and lightning.

Then 5% max fire res, 20% inc strength, 15% life, and 25% of phys taken as fire

Oh wait, shoot. Being able to satisfy all my gem reqs with str is pretty huge...

[rich raft]

That’s a pity. Still will be good for some things but not crazy

[viscid jay]

Anyone know what would be a good tigger skill for mjolner

[dawn spire]

I'm thinking the super duper ali-ooper jump

Lightning warp would be funny tho

Dual wield, one shooting ball lightning and the other triggering lightning warp

New flicker strike just dropped

[broken nexus]

Lightning warp is fun until it bricks and you are stranded in the middle of a pack

[dawn spire]

That's what the ball lightnings are for

Do I do chaos dot chronomancer, chaos dot Smith of Kitava, chaos dot lich, or corrupting cry gemling? So many choices...

Chronomancer is the obviously correct choice, but the others are very tempting

[limber lodge]

lich all day baby it's gonna be lit (if everything works out, and i'm an optimistic guy so everything's gonna work out it's gonna be wild)

[dawn spire]

Yeah, but then I need a good jewel and I need to have ES or else my build sucks

Oh, wait, is crystalline phylactery not the starting node?

Is it optional?

[limber lodge]

naw no jewel, no jewel. eternal life, rupture the soul, and either eldritch empowerment or necromantic conduit.

it's optional

[dawn spire]

Oh shit.

I thought that required the phylactery because that's what makes you a lich

I thought it was thematic af

[limber lodge]

yeah that would make sense but nah

[dawn spire]

So if I have zero ES, does that node (that gives 25% more spell damage but adds a cost of 3% max es to my spells) have no downside?

[limber lodge]

presumably you can't cast

because that's generally how costs work

[dawn spire]

But if the extra cost is 0 es, then you can pay that all day

Like if a skill costs 0 mana you can pay that even if you have blood magic

Damn, lich has a lot of damage. How do I get power charges to consume tho?

[neat bison]

I reckon it was probably designed that way initially (the phylactery)

but ppl really didn’t like the forced points in blood mage

[limber lodge]

Oh yeah I'm an idiot you're probably right

power charges aren't really able to be generated nicely at the moment, hoping patch notes gives a new skill or something. but again necromantic conduit is quite good if you have no other sources of % added extra as chaos; it's pretty close to 30% more damage in that case.

and rupture the soul for explodeys

[neat bison]

I think the downside would be not being able to cast if you have no ES

[limber lodge]

3% of 0 is 0

[vernal falcon]

anyone know if theres a compiled list off all the rare monster mods?

[neat bison]

Yea but I would imagine it would be coded otherwise, just something you can’t know until it plays I guess

[dawn spire]

Unholy might is useless for chaos dot builds tho. I'd go the curse branch if anything

[dawn spire]

If you have a mana cost of zero you can use the skill even if you have zero mana

[twin sierra]

the problem is rn i dont see how u dont just die on topside caster without ES lol

[dawn spire]

MoM

[twin sierra]

right I guess that could work

[dawn spire]

But realistically I can't part with my one true love; Chronomancer

[neat bison]

I suppose if you don’t take the jewel node either then

Would be no downside

[twin sierra]

i think im gonna end up playing the blacksmith guy

[dawn spire]

If I went lich I'd go 25% more damage for es cost, double curse, and... I guess the power charge consumption?

[wintry cedar]

Byron, fav chrono build? I did block support curser as league start and loved it for launch

[twin sierra]

in HC or HCSSF havent decided yet

[dawn spire]

Kitava sounds so good for ssf

You can equip a white chest ffs

[twin sierra]

that ascendancy might carry melee just based on tankiness alone lol

[dawn spire]

Chaos dot is really fun. But you can do basically anything with chrono and as long as I have temporal rift I'm having a great time

[twin sierra]

90 max res, 25 phys taken as is already so insane for poe2

then u still have 3 more points

[dawn spire]

I did an ice shot + barrage + snipe bow build as my league starter and it was so fun melting rares and bosses

With chrono

Time freeze gives you enough time to set up your tornadoes, barrage, and perfectly charge a snipe

[twin sierra]

it will be a little awkward if one of the infuse weapon/fire spell on hit etc nodes are good tho

[cobalt pollen]

my plan was spear kitava

[twin sierra]

do we know for sure u can click as many nodes on the body armor part as u want?

[cobalt pollen]

either bleed or ignite

or both with the unique spear that aggravates both

I think you can take as many nodes as you want

up to the max of 8

[dawn spire]

I'm still worried they aren't going to nerf gemling str stack enough and I'll be pigeon holed into doing str stacking corrupting cry gemling again

[twin sierra]

so like 25 phys as, 5% regen, 5max fire and 75% fire res maybe

dont remember all the nodes tho

[cobalt pollen]

I wanted to see if temper is worth so spending 4 points for max fire res giving max ele res

maybe temper weapon

and last 2 points go to chaos soaked by armor + % phys taken as fire

[dawn spire]

100% inc stun threshold, 75% cold, 75% lightning, % of armor applies to chaos damage, 20% strength, 15% life

[twin sierra]

oh yeah 15% life is really good too

[dawn spire]

50% reduced crit damage

[twin sierra]

im not sure about the chaos node given u wont have much armor from chestpiece

make u lose a ton

[dawn spire]

Yee

[neat bison]

Being able to swap off + res and max res for something else is also nice for later

[twin sierra]

but yeah the 25 phys as is probably already way better than any amount of armor u can get atm vs bosses lol

[cobalt pollen]

I would like to do a spell on hit build

[twin sierra]

unless they change armor this patch

[cobalt pollen]

but it hinges hard on how it procs

vs being unkillable with max fire res

[neat bison]

It’s an energy trigger like the cast on stuff

From their interview today

[twin sierra]

melding node (max fire applies to cold/lightning) is a must imo on any kitava build

skipping the body armor nodes is no problem tho

if u rlly want 4 other points

[dawn spire]

Yeah but is Kitava tankier than controlling time itself?
||probably yeah actually||

[cobalt pollen]

be nice if we got more info on ascendancy skills like they did with infusion and blood boil

I'm not sure if I could survive the trip to the mage side of tree from warrior start

painful

but thats the only way spell on hit becomes good

easily anyway

[dawn spire]

What skill?

[cobalt pollen]

fire spell on hit

[dawn spire]

You can easily get damage for spells without specifically spell damage

[twin sierra]

i played a chronomancer spark on hcssf, killed xesth 1 and 2

[tulip fog]

this node should mean that i can play a bleed build without having to stack physical damage right?

[dawn spire]

How does that work exactly? Do you pick the spell?

[twin sierra]

it was spark carrying hard but chronomancer was fun lol

[cobalt pollen]

presumably only allows fire spells to be slotted

[dawn spire]

Yeah so what spell are you gonna use? If it's a projectile, merc area has loads of proj damage. I think warrior has fire damage. If it's an area, then area damage also works

[twin sierra]

oh man I need to see what they do to archmage and spark