2┃build-planning

[gaunt mortar]

I could be wrong but it has like 2 ways to scale and that's why it's so shit

[sour python]

ahh I see

[gaunt mortar]

And you can't really check the dps on it or at least I haven't been able to in pob

[sour python]

yeah its better the more mobs for sure.

[gaunt mortar]

Someone else could shed light on that if they've found a way but I couldn't find the config

Armour piercing rounds and armour explosion plus chain is easy mode for campaign

But end game it just falls off so hard

[sour python]

yeah. It does feel like armour explosion is kinda just a cosmetic for my poison cloud lol

maybe there will be something added that lets us scale harder

[gaunt mortar]

When it used to chain off of itself it was nice

But they made it so the explosions can't break armour

[sour python]

gas cloud benifits from crit yes

[woven depot]

It was a cruel and unwarranted nerf #neverforget

[west dove]

i thought it doesn't?

the initial hit does but the cloud doesn't

[feral halo]

did they end up buffing warrior in any way for next ladder?

[static torrent]

We don't have patch notes yet, but we've been told to expect major balance changes to just about everything.

And Warrior was cited as underperforming, so I would guess the answer is yes.

[deft agate]

I am planning to start poe2 after playing poe1 and want a similar build to what i had, idk if its possible tho.
My previous build was a shadow trickster vampire, that would heal off of enemies and deal a lot of damage, is there a similar build that i can do?

[marble copper]

Will it be possible/viable to use spear with the Warrior? spartan kind of thing ?

[atomic halo]

you can use any weapon type on any class

you just need the attributes and you can equip it

[marble copper]

Yeah but thinking ( i have no idea) if it will work as a viable build/endgama warrior or gemling

[atomic halo]

that's your job to figure out

there's no rule saying that it can't possibly work

titan crossbow is a thing so why not spear

[static torrent]

We can't really know for sure what is 'viable' - read 'super OP and meta' - until the patch notes, but I would wager that yes, you can figure something out.

[rotund moss]

new to POE, is .2 going to reset everything or do we keep our existing characters

[atomic halo]

you keep them

but they sit in standard, which is sad

to play with fresh economy you have to make new character in league

[tight trail]

Warrior kitava fire spell on hit with a spear tempts me in that likely terrible idea but still wanna try it kinda way

[rotund moss]

The new witch ascendancy looks so cool. Am I reading the talent right where with atziri’s disdain perfect corrupt you just ignore 41% of damage!!!!

10% from talent 31% from atziri damage pass through but health doesn’t move while you have ES?

[magic jasper]

yeah seems like it

51% total due to the node behind it as well

Although it also means you can't regen life after tanking a hit if you get back ES right after

[rotund moss]

I was already counting that unless theirs another 10% talent somewhere else

[magic jasper]

Oh I was looking at wrong %, you're right

[rotund moss]

I imagine you go eternal youth and convert life regen to es regen

[magic jasper]

thought 30% was highest roll on helm

[rotund moss]

I saw a 31 on trade today, 5 divine but I’m sure next league they’ll be stupid expensive

[magic jasper]

you're also just immune to poison and chaos

since that naturally bypasses ES

[atomic halo]

i think 31 is perfect 1.22

[rotund moss]

I thought chaos was double es damage in Poe 2?

[atomic halo]

yes, it is

[rotund moss]

Poison is right though

[atomic halo]

even 1.21 would round down

[magic jasper]

poe2db needs to be updated then D:

o nvm *poison

[rotund moss]

But with eternal youth and life regen to es regen I think you’ll be fine

[magic jasper]

wait

[rotund moss]

Life flask recovers ES is eternal youth I think. Forgot the other talent. All the demon form people go it

[magic jasper]

would going full life cost skills

just mean free skills?

[wooden saddle]

For mercenary what should I be focusing on for defenses besides resistances, armor, evasion etc?

[rotund moss]

I think so as long as you have enough life to cast

So you can’t go CI

Well can’t go CI + full life cost

You probably could go CI + azitri

[strange steppe]

this node gonna be affected by mom's less mana regen effect right?

[sharp glade]

ye

[atomic halo]

mom is less recovery, and regenation is recovery, so yes.

[magic jasper]

dark pact seems neat as well

can just spam that with no downside

[sharp glade]

no

if HP cant change->cant sacrifice

[magic jasper]

? has this mechanic been implemented before?

[sharp glade]

try sacrifice with no hp left

see what happens

hint: its not free

[magic jasper]

that's something like life-cost

that fits with any other life-cost skill

won't work if you dont have the life for it

this is you having the life pool to use

also I feel like they had 'dark pact' and 'lich' in mind

[sharp glade]

cope, if you like

[magic jasper]

huh?

[rotund moss]

I don’t know you may be able to use dark pact. It says your life doesn’t change… not that you can’t spend it

[magic jasper]

yeah the wording on what 'Sacrifice' has is pretty straightforward. you can't sacrifice what you dont have.

you literally will have the life pool to spend

it just wont change

to be fair its a new mechanic and its all assumptions

but they're pretty good with their wording

[worthy silo]

I'm gonna need a Dev to solve this. Is it strictly for just this Jewel in the Ascendency or do EVERY gem we socket get this +100%

[magic jasper]

o good point

[rotund moss]

Your life can not change while…
Makes me believe you can spend life.
I’m personally wondering how the warrior talent blood magic would work with this. I imagine you get infinite mana

[sharp glade]

only this

[worthy silo]

Then it's ass

[sharp glade]

ofc

its poe2

what did u expect

[worthy silo]

Was hoping for something fun

[sharp glade]

hah

[rotund moss]

I mean the ascendancy is worth 10 passive points… not terrible

[worthy silo]

Well Ritualist/Amazon it is

[magic jasper]

bad take

why specify 'jewels' then and not specifically mention just that jewel

[sharp glade]

https://tenor.com/view/misinformation-spreading-spreading-misinformation-online-gif-4543841945782036495

u rn

[magic jasper]

yeh

[atomic halo]

there are many items already existing with similar wording

like mahuxotls and morior

and it only affects socketed into that specific socket

[sharp glade]

its essentialy +1 jewel slot

meanwhile ritualist + 1ring

[magic jasper]

i cant wait to wear 3 kalandra's touch pog

[rotund moss]

Ritualist, yet another reason to run ingenuity

[strange steppe]

technically it's 2, bc of 100% effect right?

[rotund moss]

Pretty sure that would do nothing

[sharp glade]

ok fair

[magic jasper]

don't tell me how to wear my rings

[bronze crane]

max stun threshold+ roha +shield +giants blood. i dont care i lance the game

[deft agate]

whats a good assasin build?

[manic arch]

fellow LS players, is 'as the mountain' that much better than 'aggresive bastion' 4% block vs endurance charge gen

[atomic halo]

#1┃build-planning

[bronze crane]

LOL

[atomic halo]

#2┃general / #2┃early-access if you're not asking a question or asking one

[woeful sundial]

how does 3 (6 with ingenuity) ring slots not become overcentralizing

[atomic halo]

we'll see what happens to ingenuity

[wicked tiger]

They’ll probably make it so that 6 rings can match todays ingenuity power and 4 rings weaker

[woeful sundial]

maybe

[viscid radish]

Wait, I saw the 3 rings stuff on stream

But how does ingenuity work? 6 rings???

Left PoE2 last time in Jan itself

Is it like double effect of rings?

[woeful sundial]

as of now, uncorrupted ingenuity can 1.8 your rings

and the new ascendancy also has a 1.25 your rings node

so over double the effect of 3 equipped rings, if of course ingenuity would stay as it is

[viscid radish]

Interesting, thanks for the answer

[woeful sundial]

np

[loud elbow]

assuming no major ascendancy changes, does deadeye not seem like a way better choice for Spear builds than either of the Huntress ones? Since spear skills will have bonuses on frenzy charge usage and deadeye giving frenzy charge sustain/double usage effect plus either an extra proj for throws or tailwind it seems like the obvious choice to me

[flint trail]

Is there a way to self-ignite in PoE2?

[worthy silo]

Does BESTIAL SKIN offset the penalty from STALKING PANTHER? Or does PANTHER apply after BESTIAL?

[magic jasper]

You'd get the same value if panther applied before or after

[static plinth]

Do we know if we can use a sceptre with a spear

Or is it just shields and free hand

[hoary bolt]

can you use mace and sceptre?

[static plinth]

Yes

[hoary bolt]

if you can it should prob work then because its just a 1h weapon

[static plinth]

Spears are special though

Cant be dual-wielded

[hoary bolt]

no elden ring pvp meta

I still think it should work

because sceptres can be both main or offhand

so mainhand + offhand should theoretically work

[plain saddle]

Bro skipped math classes

[signal peak]

The First time i saw the Tornado skills i was Like," thats a monk/invoker Skill.

[worthy silo]

thanks for not answering the question

[loud elbow]

you were answered right after, youll end up with the same amount

[worthy silo]

Yes I see that, but then I was hit with some random ass comment after

[hoary bolt]

to clarify even more, more and less multipliers apply after all increases and reductions

but since they are the same fraction they break even

0.5 * 2 = 2 * 0.5

[plain saddle]

its not random you just cant do basic math

[worthy silo]

My guy I simply asked if it offset. Which basically means it goes back to the 100%. I also asked which one gets applied 1st but I guess reading is too hard.

[plain saddle]

it doesnt matter which is applied 1st thats the problem you dum dum

go back to math classes

[plain saddle]

and you say something about reading problems oh man oh man

https://tenor.com/view/tantrum-kicking-gif-23507491

you now

[worthy silo]

Again you don't read. It says "JEWELS" anything with an (s) at the end means PLURAL, but I guess english isn't your forte

Adding an "s" to an item can indicate either pluralization (making it multiple) or possessive case (showing ownership), depending on the context and the presence of an apostrophe.

[plain saddle]

xD

[plain saddle]

you

[worthy silo]

https://tenor.com/view/chris-tucker-friday-bye-felicia-shoo-go-away-gif-9020686

[unreal girder]

Well Im curious about deadeye nerfs, cos as it stands itll prolly be the best spear class

[livid fulcrum]

am I blind and missed speculation/theorycrafting threads for the new ascendancies, or will those not go up until we actually have notes/live servers

[hoary bolt]

they havent been put up yet it seems

the main channel is in troll modr right now unfortunately so bad discussion there

[livid fulcrum]

damn, yeah was hoping their would be some at least semi-serious build speculation threads going on them

[hoary bolt]

the titan thread is super active for us talking about warrior stuff for what its worth

[livid fulcrum]

I'm new as of a few months ago, and havnt played titan at all so it would all go over my head lmao

[hoary bolt]

we talk about other classes too, for some reason the thread has its own little community

[livid fulcrum]

oh nice

[uncut nexus]

i want to do a chaos minion witch with spectre but i dont know what ascendancy to start with between lich or infernalist

can someone help me

maybe the flower snake mob from red vale

[dawn spire]

What, specifically, are you trying to do with the minions and the chaos?

And do you mean minions that do chaos damage? Or spells that deal chaos damage alongside minions?

[uncut nexus]

minion that do chaos dps

i want them to poison

but it seems poopoo

[dawn spire]

Yeah I'm not sure what you can do to make minions poison aside from the gas grenade snipers

And I'm not sure what spectre(s) would even benefit you

[uncut nexus]

ty tho

imma just test it when its live ig

[dawn spire]

I'd recommend trying the servant of Arakaali in poe1 legacy of phrecia if you want poisonous minions

Or waiting for the support gem reveals. Might be something in there that supports the archetype you're looking for

[dusty kiln]

so what are the thoughts on a minion wielding tactician?

also, are minions "persistant buffs"?

[dawn spire]

No

Minions don't have the buff tag

At least not always. There might be some that are, but I can't think of any

[dusty kiln]

damn

hope to utilize "a solid plan" for a large army of specters

[dawn spire]

Raging spirits might have the buff tag, if any minion skill does

[dusty kiln]

hell yeah

it has persistent

[dawn spire]

And buff!

Wowie!

[dusty kiln]

hell yeah

so suicide bomber raging spirits with "watch how i do it" buff and maybe some spectres to round it out?
and also supporting fire?

[dawn spire]

Supporting fire doesn't sound super great unless you're getting a lot of dex and/or str. And you'll likely be too busy spamming fire spells to use supporting fire

If you're a minion build you'll likely be far away from enemies which kinda makes me like the defensive nodes a lot

I mean, I play hcssf so I'm biased. But dying is pretty bad for everyone in poe2

[dusty kiln]

makes sense too

im not that knowledgable, so im hoping for some input on what to build towards, played statstacking merc this season and wanted to try minions this time, especially with the new spectre thing

[dawn spire]

Hey, I also did a statstacking gemling. Str stacking corrupting cry

It's the best one-button build I've found so far. Well, I guess three because I incorporated ball lightning and lightning warp

[dusty kiln]

gemling was funny, picked it cause i was new and thought it would be the most flexible
was kinda right
but man the start was rough until i ended up at my final build

[dawn spire]

Yeah it's a real strug before you get insane amounts of attributes

[dusty kiln]

also im not sure yet how it interacts, but watch how i do it might be really good with supporting fire?
will certainly try it out at some point, but my main focus is a spectre focused build, ideally on the merc, cause i like him

[dawn spire]

Is supporting fire a ballista totem?

I'm not 100% sure on the names, but are you referring to the one where your totems use skills when you do and have more skill speed?

Also what spectre(s) did you have in mind?

[dusty kiln]

nah i mean using the buff from the ascendency that gives allies part of your attack damage on the arrow barage skill from the ascendency

[dusty kiln]

none specifically
tbh i just want to make like a cool army of minions that i can change on a whim based on what i find
until i eventually settle on a team

[dawn spire]

Pokémon of Exile 2

I'm really into trying some kind of chaos dot build. The node that makes life unable to change while you have ES looks so freaking cool

Trying to figure out how to make it even cooler

If you have that node, 100 ES, and take a hit for 2000 damage, does the 1900 extra damage go to your life or get negated?

[sharp glade]

your ES gets wiped first

so it goes to hp

that node is simply for turning damage bypasses ES into damage mitigation

imo its a terrible idea cause it will prevent them from adding more hybrid support with % damage bypasses ES in the future

[dawn spire]

Nifty

Unless they change the node, yeah

[sharp glade]

also it essentially does nothing if you ES cant absorb the whole hit, so in the extremes its not even great for oneshots

its kinda terrible

but oh well

most poe 2 nodes are rushed and poorly thought like that

[dawn spire]

Better they try the rushed and half-baked ideas now before release imo

Essence drain + Contagion + Decaying Hex is such a fun combo to me. I just need a way to make it tankier. I'm thinking chronomancer. Recoup and 20% slower enemies is pretty good

And temporal rift is bonkers

[drifting burrow]

Did they ever make the shield attack skills scale with anything? I liked magma barrier/resonating shield but when I played around launch they fell off mid game

[static torrent]

They all scale with levels and stats on the Shield itself. We can't know what changes they might get in 0.2, though.

[drifting burrow]

yeah wiki says just the level of the gem and defences on the shield, and maybe elemental damage?

Sounds like they're still in a pretty bad place then overall

[candid otter]

Lich looks fun, you can stack 40% of damage bypass to life(which with talent what gives infinite HP while ES is up). (Corrupted atziri + 10% from talent).
And we can take blood magic to just outright ignore all spell cost lol.

So we get 60% of the damage(40% flat damage reduction) + can use ghostwrithe and Atziri in the same time to have extreme amounts of ES.

And additional interesting question how it will work with Demon sticher gloves. Because, we can't lose hp we are kinda getting around 250 energy shield from each cast of spells for free.

[deft agate]

are u guys using only mobalytics or is there a path of building for poe2 as well?

[alpine summit]

theres a pob 2

[deft agate]

oh, nice

[alpine summit]

https://pathofbuilding.community/

[deft agate]

also how do i find budget builds?

[alpine summit]

mainly on youtube id say

[atomic halo]

maxroll, youtube (if you can dodge the bait)

[deft agate]

is shadow coming to poe2?

[atomic halo]

at some point yes

but not in 0.2.0 (or any time soon).

[deft agate]

sadge

ty tho

[mental aurora]

so which monsters should be looking good as choices for summoners with the new spectre thing?

[gaunt mortar]

@drifting burrow magma barrier is probably the strongest melee build In the game lol and shield charge is okay just too slow really.

[drifting burrow]

really? what am I doing wrong? I went back to my lvl 37 warrior chara and just got one shot by the big monkey boss with the pillar

[gaunt mortar]

You're low level and can't really tell without seeing gear and tree

Magma barrier is more of an end game build

[drifting burrow]

yeah I wonder if gear drops were improved since I last played also, I got super unlucky with gear for a looong time and I think my chara is kinda stuck now

[warped jackal]

so.. what have you guys in mind for next week? Lich or huntress will be popular choices i guess

[gaunt mortar]

New warrior ascendancy and spear witchhunter

[dusty horizon]

Does anyone know why ailment chance doesn't effect bleed chance on pob? When I mouse over bleed and poison chance, it shows that they are affected by ailment chance but doesn't change the actual chance %

[spark quiver]

Is there anyone doing anything with AI related to PoE2? For example, analyzing the passive skill tree.

[small slate]

do we have the list of 100+ skill gems and 100+ Uniques?

[static torrent]

It's 100 supports, not skill gems, but no, we won't see the supports until patch notes.

[dusty kiln]

so does anyone know if minions do or do not count as persistent buffs?
also is the beast taming ability locked to huntress, or just a spear thing?

[static torrent]

It's just a skill gem, so not locked to Huntress

Only ascendancy stuff is

[spice monolith]

What class will be best for spectators?

[dusty kiln]

okay, thought so, but wanted to make sure

[static torrent]

Do you mean Spectres? xd

[dusty kiln]

trying to build a tactician minion build around spectres and maybe the beast thing aswell

[spice monolith]

Lol yes my bad. Autocorrect

[drifting cedar]

does "defend with 200% of armour" essentially just mean "100% more armour"?

barring edge cases where armour scales a weapon like replica dreamfeather in poe 1

[dusty kiln]

not sure if its the best, but im gonna test around with tactician merc for minions
though if it works like i think it does it might be best to just go for lots of small minions on him

[pearl sluice]

i'm assuming infernalist

for the spirit

that's the only reason

[drifting cedar]

how's the smith ascendancy body armour work? you just get to pick 1 stat, or can you spend a bunch of points on your body armour?

[dusty kiln]

from what i understand you can spend as many points as you want on the armor nodes
but that means less points for the other ascendancy nodes

[wooden saddle]

I'm not new but for ranger, besides resistances should I be focusing evasion?

[static torrent]

Correct.

[spark quiver]

So nobody is using ChatGPT or Gemini for POE2 analysis?

I’ve sent some data to ChatGPT 4o and got some pretty good ideas for upcoming Lich builds.
Is there anyone using AI for PoE2? Anyone at all?

[eternal charm]

very keen to see some witch dot builds coming from new patch

[atomic halo]

no

[atomic halo]

ive seen a few tries, didnt see too much success

you can go ahead and try

but there is so much about the game that simply isn't avaliable online in a format it can easily read and understand

so i really dont see how it would be possible to get anything on the level of what you'd find from the best build creators on youtube

[spark quiver]

You are right, AI doesn't understand very well the connection between nodes, but if you divide and explain with the data CSV style for example, it will understand pretty well to be honest, I made like 4 tries before he could understand the whole The Lich ascendancy

[atomic halo]

took a few tries to explain the ascendancy?

[spark quiver]

Yes, the connection between everynode

[atomic halo]

so how many tries to explain the passive tree, every skill gem, every support, every item base, every modifier pool and every unique?

[spark quiver]

For passive tree I am building something like this.
Everynode will have it ID with description and possibilities.

Everything in CSV format

ChatGPT doesn't understand the whole picture, so it has to be sent sliced

[atomic halo]

that's fair, yeah

if you do get some good results do post an update

[spark quiver]

Sure I will, as the idea is to send the whole PoE2 data, and be updated on every patch

But currently ChatGPT understand what I am sending and it adapts pretty well

[static plinth]

Do yall think As The Whispers Demand will be very strong?

[static plinth]

Basically, its like "Your hits deal double damage" but for armour

aka its a binary yes/no or it takes the higher "defend" value (ie triple damage)

Im assuming you're looking at Tactician and yeah, it basically doubles your armour and theoretically doubles your evasion but limits them to 50%

[rain cove]

How well do you all think the new lich ascendancy will work with hexblast? is it simply outclassed by blood mage's 15% spell crit?

[spark quiver]

Wanna crits? Blood Mage
Wanna SSFHC viable ES spellcaster? The Lich

[static plinth]

Seems like Lich will be a very strong sidegrade

You can lifetap your main skill and make it free which is really interesting

[spark quiver]

And have 0 cost if ES >= 35% I guess?

[static plinth]

While ES 1<

[spark quiver]

While ES is more than 1? While you have ES is it correct?

[static plinth]

Yeah

Not "while not on low ES" just as long as you have ES

[spark quiver]

holyf

[static plinth]

Completely free life-cost skills

[spark quiver]

Hexblast....only

Well, i am planning to play defensive Lich, which is Life Es cursebot

[static plinth]

Honestly the more i look at it the more i want to play Lich

But i am married to Ritualist

[spark quiver]

Leveled BM 95 Detonate Dead on SSF, one of the safest (very slow) builds I played.
But The Lich seems to be some kind of immortal if built correctly

[static plinth]

If they dont change Atziri's Disdain, it becomes a 36% less damage taken head slot that also gives a ton of ES

30% less damage taken*

[spark quiver]

Like imagine, 3 curses by default with passive tree talent, this is huge.
Then you have 0 cost spells if you have ES.
Than you have damage mitigation.

This ascendancy gonna be very very fun

[static plinth]

The Black Doubt is also a really interesting piece for it

Makes you immune to damage over time while you have ES

[rain cove]

losing rare chest piece big loss though

[static plinth]

Yeah

Without something like RF to take advantage of it, not worth it probably

[spark quiver]

RF patch 0.3.0 or 0.4.0 xD

[rain cove]

soulless form / eternal life + eld empowerment + necro conduit seem to be a solid set of picks

[wanton forge]

thoughts on this node for lich, since it's saying "Jewels" im assuming it's all jewels on the tree or just the jewel socketed in the slot in the ascendancy tree

[static plinth]

Its just the one in the slot

[rain cove]

does the mana loss from necro cond equal out soulless form - didnt math it but seems to

[static plinth]

I think the node is lowkey shit

[wanton forge]

if it's only the socketed node then it's shit

if it's global then holy fuck

[static plinth]

The Adorned for rare jewels? yeah doubt

[atomic halo]

obviously it's not global

[spark quiver]

Its 1 jewel, it has to be OP to be socketed there

[rain cove]

it is odd that it says jewels pural though

[atomic halo]

that's fair, if we evaluate a jewel socket to be worth 3 pts its worth 6 pts total

[wanton forge]

that's what im saying why tf it's saying "jewels"

[rain cove]

if its global then OP af

[atomic halo]

which is the same number as the notable on pathfinder that nobody uses

[static plinth]

It might be worth it if you need rare stats like quiver effect, but even then its a hard sell to me

If it was 200%, THEN we'd be talking

[static torrent]

Probably just some wording carried over from other cases of socketable effects being boosted.

[wanton forge]

imagine if it includes unique jewels, and you can socket an adorned in it

[static plinth]

reading is hard

[wanton forge]

imagine

reading is hard

[atomic halo]

reading is hard

[spark quiver]

hard is reading

[wanton forge]

is reading hard

[static plinth]

You cant CWDT loop without Infernalist right

Unless we get something like Scold's Bridle this patch

Is the only source of ES recoup the Stormweaver node?

[icy kiln]

The downside of mind over matter would affect the soulless form lich node correct? Or no because it just says you do recover mana at 6% of your life?

I wouldn’t go mom for endgame but for leveling that seems cracked

[atomic halo]

it would affect the regeneration, because it affects recovery, and regeneration is recovery.

[icy kiln]

Dang. That still seems decent tho.

So if I understand it right with soulless form and necromatic conduit, as long as your life is higher than mana it’s a net positive mana outcome right?

[tulip fog]

in the teasers for the upcoming patch one of the liches ascendancy points says "your life cannot change while you have energy shield" does this mean you cannot take damage to your life while you have energy shield? that'd mean that you can basically ignore 10% of the damage you take thanks to the previous node and even 25% more if you have Atziri's Disdain helmet (with perfect roll)

[atomic halo]

that is correct

although usually you'd have #% increased mana regen rate

[atomic halo]

it's an entirely new wording, so we cannot sure about anything. however, i think that that is the most likely intended interaction, considering that the 10% was put on the same acendancy.

[icy kiln]

Okay. That seems pretty good for summoners. So you’d go that plus blackened heart? That seems kinda weird tho cause you’re splitting mana and life scaling

[tulip fog]

if that truly is the intended interaction then that is a really nice way of getting more survivability

[atomic halo]

of course, atziri's could be nerfed

we havent seen the patch notes

[icy kiln]

Unless you can somehow sustain 5% mana drain per second, then you can go mom but that seems also weird

[tulip fog]

right

then there is also this, which if unchanged in the next patch would let you ignore all damage over time with that lich node

though you'd lose out on a large chunk of energy shield from not having a rare chest or a better unique chest

[static plinth]

Black Doubt needs something like Righteous Fire to be worth it imo

Until then it's neat but w/e

[icy kiln]

Or would you go those with eternal life and ES stack??

[hoary bolt]

wouldnt this just be almost complete stun and ailment immunity on a hybrid ar/ev build?

[icy kiln]

Or I guess you ignore the unholy might effect per mana and go phylactery

[icy kiln]

You have it backwards

[static plinth]

I wonder if with Eternal Life, and ES recoup/regen, if the damage order will be like "Calc damage, take 10% to life which does nothing, then hit ES, all damage that overflows ES goes to life" essentially meaning just a tiny amount of regen or recoup becomes 10% less damage taken to life

[icy kiln]

You gain armor/eva based on ailment threshold and stun threshold

[hoary bolt]

???? no?

[static plinth]

You got it backwards

[icy kiln]

Oh fuck lol

Disregard me

[static plinth]

Only ailment immunity from hits, not from grounds or anything

[hoary bolt]

yeah thats the unfortunate part

[static plinth]

But otherwise yeah, you'd need to take MASSIVE hits, assuming you have ar/ev in the ten thousands

[candid otter]

Still kinda interested if sacrifice will not affect hp on lich. Restoring ES from just casting with unique gloves looks interesting

[static plinth]

"Your life cannot change" is a very strong wording, and is new, it implies sacrifice/costs/damage all cannot touch it

[candid otter]

250 per spell cast

[hoary bolt]

yeah compare this to normal sources of high stun threshold. at 500 strength this one only gives 1500

[static plinth]

So yeah Demon Stitcher seems cool

[hoary bolt]

I do wonder if it is scaled with % strun threshold though

[static plinth]

Should be

[hoary bolt]

it specifies 'extra' rather than 'additional'

also this is intriguing

should make it far, far easier to cap out on 50% pdr even against very large hits

which is equivalent to the relative PDR of a top toer corrupted cloak with 90% res

[static plinth]

Yeah, it just straight doubles your armour and presumably ~1.5x to doubles your evasion

Its a node that definitely wants you to invest into other defences, but i think it should be good

[atomic halo]

oh its imbalanced guard if it was good

[static plinth]

lol

[hoary bolt]

pretty much

[cobalt pollen]

is 200% armour just 2x multi

[hoary bolt]

does suck that it gives no ele mitigation

[static plinth]

Basically

Its like double damage where it's an on or off thing

[hoary bolt]

sorcery ward on witchhunter might be better overall with cloak though

because with cloak you essentially get phys ward too

[cobalt pollen]

what unique is cloak

or node

[hoary bolt]

cloak of flame

body armour

[cobalt pollen]

that one

I was thinking that body on top of kitava smith and max res to fire increasing max ele

[hoary bolt]

yeah that will be good if you dont take any of the body armour ascendancy options

[cobalt pollen]

shit

I forgot

[hoary bolt]

does CDR affect minion CDR skills?

like command skills

[static plinth]

It does not affect the Minion's cooldowns

But yeah itll affect commands

[hoary bolt]

ok should work for tactician supporting fire then

since its a command

supporting fire should be linkable right

[static plinth]

Yeah

All ascendancy skills are

I actually havent looked at supporting fire im gonna take a peek

[hoary bolt]

yeah nvm on that one

the real question

is where are the minions

like in relation to the character

[static plinth]

What is with Mercenary and stat stacking

[hoary bolt]

i.e would banners affect them

or the weapon to flat added

[static plinth]

I thought they literally didnt exist and you just called in the artillery

[cobalt pollen]

what are people doing to scale spell dmg on attack weaps

[hoary bolt]

they scale on minion damage

[cobalt pollen]

for cast on

or you path towards druid side for spell/AOE for kitava fire spell on hit

[nimble zinc]

Ok I need some brains on this

Mjolnir Blacksmith Animate Weapon with Fire Spell on Hit

[cobalt pollen]

is mjolnir coming back

[hoary bolt]

yes

[subtle vine]

How you folks get res capped, take a while or lucky drops?

[static plinth]

Lucky drops, start trading if im not capped at maps

Transmute+Aug all resistance rings you find

[static plinth]

I dont think animate weapon will trigger anything so i dont think thats a good combo

[nimble zinc]

We will see. I wouldn't be surprised if you were right.

[cobalt pollen]

is that true for most if not all minions

[static plinth]

Yeah

[nimble zinc]

You could still run Blacksmith and slam it yourself for double procs

[static plinth]

Animate weapon is a bit different, but we'll see

Do we know what Temper Weapon does?

Like specifically

[nimble zinc]

Assuming that Animate Weapon is a separate weapon though so I was hoping you could do quad procs lol

I assumed Temper Weapon adds some sort of enchant to your weapons?

[static plinth]

Yeah we know that much

Im just wondering if we know if its like a fire damage buff or a phys damage buff or it lasts for X hits or X time

[nimble zinc]

Going by how GGG works Im assuming it will be in line with the runecrafting options from PoE1

[static plinth]

My guess right now is Gain as extra fire for X hits

[nimble zinc]

Maybe adding Unique-level mods to your yellow weapon

Thats probably a safe bet

[cobalt pollen]

temper weapon taking a year to finish the animation is really cringe

[static plinth]

Its a thing you're supposed to do after each combat though

Or at least i assume so

I just hope its not random

[nimble zinc]

Randomly turns enemies you hit into cats

[limber lodge]

We have any idea how MoM interacts w/ Soulless Form from new lich tree? Meaning, does 50% less recovery rate affect the 6% of maximum life/sec for mana?

I assume it would but poe is weird sometimes.

The way I am thinking it works is that basically the regenerate mana equal to 6% of maximum life per second just replaces the inherent mana regen in every way mathematically. So yes MoM would affect it but also increased mana regeneration% from the tree etc. would also affect it.

[atomic halo]

yes.

mind over matter affects recovery. regeneration is recovery.

[atomic halo]

correct as well

[static plinth]

How unrealistic is pathing to blood magic as a witch

Wait hold up i just thought of something that cooks

[distant dome]

does the damage increase on Eye of Winter get multiplied by sources of "Gain __% damage as extra damage"? In other words, does it cound as base damage ?

[limber lodge]

thanks bloon

While you're here can you clarify how Phylactery works? By the wording it sounds like it affects all jewels on your passive skill tree. But that sounds too broken to be true

[atomic halo]

what damage increase?

[static plinth]

It is too broken to be true

[atomic halo]

it may sound like it, but it only affects the one jewel. you can observe similar wording with mahuxotl's and morior.

[distant dome]

when passing through an elemental ground effect, it causes eye of winter to do more damage of the corresponding type

[atomic halo]

that's what it reads like, but when i read the modifier lines of the skill, i only see "Gains 50% of damage as the corresponding Type when passing over a Ground Surface".

[cobalt pollen]

magical corrupted jewel + adorned + phylactery

still kinda mid sounding

[distant dome]

It never says "Gain" or "extra," so that's why I don't know how it will multiply

[static plinth]

It does if you look down at the rest of the skill

[atomic halo]

what never says "gain" or extra? "Gains 50% of damage as the corresponding Type when passing over a Ground Surface"?

[distant dome]

I'm a big dummy, thanks

BIG dummy

I haven't played in 2 months, coming back and looking at changes from mid-january

[static plinth]

Okay gang

[distant dome]

k so it won't be multiplied, got it

[static plinth]

How stupid is this shit

[atomic halo]

very old concept, no?

[atomic halo]

oh and you can get another -15% from the preceding small (assuming you havent already factored it in)

[static plinth]

Yeah but 3 with ritualist

[static plinth]

yeah havent

[atomic halo]

that puts you at -195%, just 5% from the hardcap

[static plinth]

Only thing is iirc those ventor's would be like 5d each

[atomic halo]

light work

[static plinth]

Annoying

Im hoping we can use a spear with a sceptre

Then i can run Sacred Flame

Use whatever damage types i want

[static plinth]

There's 20% from campaign right?

+20%

[atomic halo]

yeah you can skip those as well

[static plinth]

So 2 ventor's is probably viable

[cobalt pollen]

respeccable permabuffs when????????????

[static plinth]

Without campaign bonuses, with -15% from ascendancy, 2 -35% ventors

With -40% ventors

[atomic halo]

with good stats in the other departments?

5d sounds cheap

[static plinth]

Not good stats but non-negative life/spirit/rarity and pos resists

That price was around when divs were 120ex

[atomic halo]

id go for triple here

also got a plan for lightning mitigation?

[static plinth]

Pray

[limber lodge]

Bruh how do I allocate weapon swap points in PoB

[static plinth]

Ctrl+scroll wheel iirc

Assuming they update the armour formula to PoE1's, armour is a viable way to protect against lightning hits right?

[cobalt pollen]

that body piece with the extra evasion node from amazon is curious

[limber lodge]

nope 😦

[static plinth]

Alt+scroll wheel

[cobalt pollen]

what class is this anyway

[limber lodge]

that's the one!

ty

[static plinth]

Ritualist for 3 rings and ring effect

With 3 ventors you hit -200% pretty handily

Throw in a few things like Controlled Metamorphosis and you dont even need crazy ventors rolls

[atomic halo]

it wasn't very good even in poe1

[cobalt pollen]

and then the 1/4 boost from the node behind it

[static plinth]

pain

[atomic halo]

and you just sad to lightning dot (mana siphoner is still in the game)

you touch blue ring you die

[static plinth]

Hey at least its an obvious ring

Maybe the new uniques will bring me something

Defensive Voltaxic Rift when GGG

[cobalt pollen]

amazon seems like the easiest currency engine before doing stuff like adorned phylactery lich stuff

or kitava

leaguestart

actually specific stats with adorned and phylactery could be crazy

in a similar vein to hulking form less duration

[hoary bolt]

i wonder what the best stat to scale would be

[cobalt pollen]

less duration

any weird unique probably

[hoary bolt]

faster ailment maybe

[cobalt pollen]

faster ailment ED profane bloom

side of hexblast for bossing

swap jewels for bossing

[cobalt pollen]

you can't use timeless jewels right

just basic baby jewels

I'm gonna assume yes

[limber lodge]

do we know if demon stitcher is gonna wombo combo with eternal life? seems totally busted

[cobalt pollen]

likely to work

[static plinth]

In phylactery? It says "basic jewel"

[static plinth]

yup, as far as we know itll work

No reason to expect it wont

[cobalt pollen]

I can work with it

[open brook]

What do you guys think the premier Blacksmith build ascendancy build is going to be? I think Anvil or heat is going to be all the power you need and then you spend 5 points on your custom normal body armor. Im thinking phys taken as fire, crit reduc, armor for chaos, 15% max life, and 20% str. Im also thinking 5% life regen is pretty rare in poe2 so maybe swap out the crit reduc for it.

[static plinth]

Itll probably be mostly Animate Weapon builds and ones using it as a defensive core (Max fire res node, 75% fire res node, and the 2 that make fire res apply to all elements)

[limber lodge]

As some theorycrafting lich I kinda hope it works, but "to gain THAT MUCH" life implies that the amount you lose is snapshotted. If your life didn't change, it's hard to say you "sacrificed it." But it just depends on how it all works in the back-end.

[fickle fiber]

im confused is beast taming a huntress exclusive or a skill gem

[static plinth]

Thats true, might be that way

[static plinth]

You mean the Rhoa mount?

Its a spirit gem

[fickle fiber]

no the captur beast

[static plinth]

Do you have a vid with timestamp i dont recall

[fickle fiber]

nope

[static plinth]

Let me look

[cobalt pollen]

it's not huntress specific

[fickle fiber]

its a shame animate weapon is gonna be based on your weapon

[cobalt pollen]

it's probably listed under spears

[fickle fiber]

that means you wont be using sceptre

[static plinth]

Based animate weapon of self-reflection

[static plinth]

Sceptre left hand, one-hander main hand

[fickle fiber]

yeah i was kind afraid the huntress summon might be a spear skill..

[static plinth]

Doesnt necessarily mean it needs a spear

Shield skills are in mace

[cobalt pollen]

it's just listed under spear

[fickle fiber]

oh

[static plinth]

And you can always weapon set

[fickle fiber]

neat then nothing is stoping me from being a lich using tamed beast

[cobalt pollen]

likely won't require a spear

[fickle fiber]

oh.. wait the dex requirement is probably gonna be high

i wonder if you can equip multiple tame beast skill gem

to capture multiple beasts..

[static plinth]

That is true

Expect 200

Ooo i kinda like the Twister Whirlwind synergy

Oh Parry is automatic not timed

[open brook]

I think fire spell on hit or temper weapon (it looks like it functions like a better herald of ash) will be more popular than living weapon

[static plinth]

Ugh hard to decide between melee spear or mounted spear

Lmao this class has a crazy combo routing

Oh hell yeah they did mention the thing i want to try

[cobalt pollen]

what about ritualist combos

[static plinth]

Besides 3x Ventor's for Doryani's Prototype i havent had any crazy ideas

Blood Boil is snzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz and nothing else enables much crazy

[static plinth]

I lied

[static plinth]

Hate that i said this here now actually

Blood Boil is cracked

Well i guess if you're going so zoom you kill in less than the infliction interval its awful

But if you're not, you can theoretically walk through maps

[atomic halo]

where those from, press kit?

oh yeah they are, im dumb for not checking earlier

[static plinth]

Also Blood Boil having the physical tag means we can scale gem levels on it

Will have to see how well it scales

Actually we can probably assume -0.02 interval every level

so not worth

unless already scaling phys levels for something else

[atomic halo]

hmm the infse weapon one has 612% DE

that's double or triple normal skills

[static plinth]

Costs a charge so compare to charge skills

Woah wait its an attack skill

You can scale levels hard on that probably

[cobalt pollen]

where you get these

if there's info on other ascendancy skills

[atomic halo]

press kit, avaliable here https://pathofexile2.com/hunt at the bottom of the page

but i checked and didnt see any others

[cobalt pollen]

thank

essence of horror is spicy

[static plinth]

What monster modifiers do yall think will be good for animal companion?

Stuff like Invulnerability Aura from 1? Idk if thats in 2

[distant dome]

Are there some that create elemental ground effects? Cuz casters could use those to do more damage

[static plinth]

I think there's one, but Eye of Winter isnt impressive damage-wise as far as i know

[cobalt pollen]

shocked ground tornado spear

kinda just literal aura bots

crit aura

puke all the hp up gems into the beasts mouth

like baby bird

[distant nest]

is this the right channel to ask about builds

like nothing too vague or generic just conceptual

[cobalt pollen]

yea

theres also the lantern mob keth/sanctum that shreds fire res and slows

[distant nest]

goated

[distant nest]

huh

anywho if im going invoker charged staff both heralds and all that jazz, do i NEED flat elemental damage on the quarterstaff aside from the flat phy and the %elemental damage?

[static plinth]

The guy that puts down the urns that then shoot out a big wave of fire for a few seconds?

[cobalt pollen]

yea

[polar zealot]

Do you guys think unholy might from lich will work with plague nova as it says all damage?

[cobalt pollen]

idk if dot gets extra

[polar zealot]

Plague nova isn't a dot

It's a massive physical hit

[cobalt pollen]

30% as chaos doesn't seem really impressive especially with 5% mp drain/sec

[polar zealot]

Unless you mean the extra damage won't become 20% dot damage

Plague nova is just hard to scale that's why I was wondering, it doesn't count as a attack or spell , has base 0% crit chance

I think increased physical damage on skill tree is one of the few ways to scale it

[hoary bolt]

if you use avatar of fire you can scale it with elemental damage

but then you cant poison

so lmao

[cobalt pollen]

how does order of conversion even work for that

[static plinth]

? You deal phys -> converted to fire

pretty simple

[cobalt pollen]

but it turns into fire

[static plinth]

If you could plague nova it would work, but since poisons deal 0 damage with avatar of fire you wont be able to build a charge

[cobalt pollen]

so before phys gets converted into fire you still get the phys for poison scaling

but irrelevant because fartbomb needs to actually poison to do things

[static plinth]

Spear of Solaris will probably be a Hammer of The Gods type skill right

[cobalt pollen]

it looks like a constant beam of damage than one big hit

[cedar aspen]

I bet a lot of us were sure she would have some poison skills. Do you think with her position on the tree there’s still some room to make a poison build out of her or is that somewhat of a lost cause? Guess it’s hard to know without seeing her full kit

[static plinth]

Yeah i mean giga damage giant cooldown

[cobalt pollen]

likely

[polar zealot]

Doesn't plaguebringers

Make it so all damage types can poison

[hoary bolt]

yes but poison always deals chaos damage

you cant deal chaos damage with avatar of fire

so even if the source is cold, light, or fire, the actual poison is always chaos

[west dove]

does anyone happen to know how grim feast interacts with EB?

does your mana get the temporary increase instead?

[tulip fog]

i wonder how long its going to take until someone on the PoB team manages to fix this skill, if it will ever be fixed... i personally dont have funds to incentivise them to fix this sooner so i can only wait...

[static plinth]

Seems pretty simple tbh

[tulip fog]

mainly talking about the stacking fire exposure per stage since that is hard to enable in the settings by itself without having a source for it meanwhile the stacking more damage per stage is more easy to calculate a total and add it as a custom modifier

[static plinth]

Yeah thatd need a custom setting

But it shouldnt be hard to implement

Nothing here is new besides modifiers to cast speed affecting skill cost

But even that should be easy to code if im not mistaken

[tulip fog]

and yet noone have fixed the skill in PoB yet after 3 months

mainly, im guessing, because noone but me is using the skill so there is no demand for fixing it

[viscid radish]

True

[tulip fog]

this is without accounting for exposure

its not crazy damage, but its enough to get by

adding in exposure roughly doubles the ignite dps

i say roughly because ive been forced to do napkin math to try to guess roughly how much it is since PoB wont calculate it for me

[static plinth]

yeah basically

[static plinth]

Just put 320% more damage in custom mods?

[tulip fog]

that works for the more damage per stage but not for the fire exposure per stage

[static plinth]

Take this setting and reduce it by 50

[tulip fog]

i have 75% increased effect of fire exposure from passives

so itd be like 50x1.75=87.5% reduction instead

putting it at that

gives me more than what i had calculated for

still not crazy numbers, but decent enough i guess

oh, right, this is also with a 4L btw

forgot to mention that

5L damage

Mobility support is pretty nice to run with for comfortable mapping too, wish they would just implement that into the skill itself

[daring jay]

anyone here looking to play spears? what skills are you using for clear/boss?

seems like lightning spear for clear, storm lance, thunderous leap and spear of solaris might be good for boss imo but what are your thoughts?

[cobalt pollen]

we don't know anything about spears and balance changes to concretely say anything

just speculate

[daring jay]

ofc

this is speculation

[static plinth]

I plan on playing either Spearfield as main damage or something with Spear of Solaris depending on it's cooldown

Spearfield CoC is a really interesting idea imo

But thats a spell build that happens to use a spear

[daring jay]

hmm interesting yeah

have you looked at the "tame beast" skill?

[static plinth]

I havent seen a stat listing for it

[daring jay]

afaik you can only have 1 companion

[static plinth]

You can yeah

[daring jay]

yeah i dont think we can see yet

[static plinth]

My assumption is its going to be ridiculously annoying to get what you want

[daring jay]

my idea is going rhoa in clearing and use tame beast against bosses

[daring jay]

i can imagine yeah xD

[static plinth]

But get a super tanky quadrilla or something with haste aura?

That'd be awesome

[daring jay]

yeah you would for sure want hasted on it

interesting if the boss would go for you or the beast

[static plinth]

Probably just normal boss targeting

[daring jay]

if it goes for you it would maybe make sense to just use a minion with insane dmg

[static plinth]

Bosses tend to have big AoEs that hit both you and companions though

[daring jay]

truee

[static plinth]

Maybe those shield guys that reflect projectiles

[daring jay]

isnt there a monster mod that gives monsters more hp? that could be quite good

uhhh

they arent beasts though

[static plinth]

right

well you can run them with raise spectre

They dont inherit mods there but

[daring jay]

yeah that will be interesting for sure haha

[static plinth]

If they're not too expensive spirit-wise i might try it myself

[daring jay]

some of them seemed quite expensive

like around 100 spirit for one of them

[static plinth]

Yeah, stuff like rotted hulks were 120 iirc

But those are the type of monster that only spawn 2 - 3 at a time

🙏 sea hag is bugged and can one-shot bosses

[daring jay]

i heard others talk about hag too xD

if that is true its freaking broken haha

[static plinth]

I dont think thatll happen because the spectres arent actually monsters but minions that copy the skeleton, model, and textures, and use their own set of attacks

Or at least i think thats how they work

[hoary bolt]

in poe 1 spectres have full access to the monster exclusive spells and buffs/debuffs

like pale seraphim, arena master etc

or they of tul back in the day

[edgy willow]

Hey guys! Dont know if it's been answered already, but can spears be used with normal shields, or bucklers only?

[static torrent]

They should be usable with any off-hand, including Shields. Bucklers just have an interaction with them that provides an advantage over other off-hand items.

[edgy willow]

Great! FireSpear Kitava smith with new unique firedmg shield here i come!

[static plinth]

Do we know if that includes Sceptres?

[static torrent]

Should be, since they're an off-hand like any other (barring the fact you can equip one in the main hand, of course).

[azure wyvern]

are banners worth anything?

their buffs seems so small

[spark quiver]

Only for partyplayers or minion builds

[near jewel]

https://github.com/PathOfBuildingCommunity/PathOfBuilding-PoE2/releases

is it the site for pob for poe 2?

what do I click to download it?

[hoary bolt]

portable or setup

your pick

portable is movable and keeps your builds and files in one location, whereas setup is like a normal program install

[near jewel]

I cannot see it on the page?

[hoary bolt]

click on the arrow under assets

[near jewel]

okk, got it, I am an old noob with skill issues, ty for bearing with me.

[halcyon bobcat]

Are "as extra X damage" additive with each other?

[dawn spire]

Yes

[halcyon bobcat]

and "more" are multiplicative with each other?

[dawn spire]

Aye

As for the "added as" they don't cascade either. For example, if you do 100 base fire and 100 base cold with 20% of fire added as cold and 20% of cold added as lightning, you'd end up dealing 100 fire, 120 cold, and 20 lightning.

[hoary bolt]

god I need numbers on supporting fire

[halcyon bobcat]

No wonder the extra damage from time lost diamond didn't have as much impact as I expected, because my skill is already littered with extra damage gems

It made the time lost not worth investing pts over simply taking a bunch of high increase damage nodes

[dawn spire]

I'm gonna be scouring all of the new supports to see if there's anything that helps my hc-viable corrupting cry gemling

Because that build is literally just spirit gems, seismic cry, and ball lightning + lightning warp

[hoary bolt]

battershout maybe

[dawn spire]

Nah, I don't break armor. Armor also doesn't help with DoT. I'm more looking for something to boost my spirit gems or make enemies take more phys damage over time

[wicked sparrow]

im just checking to make sure my PoE math skills are still in check after a long hiatus.

If you have 1k mana that would mean 40% increased magnitude of unholy might but that is applying to the 30% meaning not an unholy might of 70% but unholy might now being 42% of all damage blah blah blah. right?

40% increase of 30 being 12

[dusty horizon]

does anyone know why increased ailment chance doesnt increase bleed/poison chance even though POB shows it as modifiers to each?

[round escarp]

do we think the passive tree will staty the same

[static torrent]

There will be changes and new additions, general layout is likely similar.

[round escarp]

correct. you need around 2500 mana for 100% increased buff effect

with like 5k mana you can get 200% increased effect or 90% end value

I'm planning to run a spectre lich

Mana ES Stack with CI

[icy kiln]

If you do this, how do you combat the 5% drain? Or do you think you can do that easy with regen?

[round escarp]

with regen

its why i wont do the life part of the lich tree on the right

should be able to counter it with mana regen similar to how archmage counters the mana cost

[icy kiln]

That’s interesting, would you also go MoM and go a hybrid ES mana pool for defensives?

[dawn spire]

No, because they're adding a new weapon type and a new shield type. No way they don't update the spear nodes from their placeholders

[round escarp]

Yep

[icy kiln]

I like the idea of that.

[round escarp]

grab all the mana regen and ES all over the tree. Grab minion nodes

[icy kiln]

Then you can go phylactery and curse explode

[round escarp]

Yep

[icy kiln]

That sounds spicy actually

I was wracking my brain trying to get the life section and the unholy might section to work

[round escarp]

well you can do that you just cant be CI

You'll have to stack some life and life regen. get ES from gostwrith and aztiziri. Run zealots oath for regen.

Then you'll have to make sure that 6% of life is more than a certain amount of mana

because that 5% may be max mana or 5% of current

if current it will balance at a percentage. if max then you'll need more life than mana

at that point i dont think its worth it to use them together

[icy kiln]

Yeah for sure. I think the unholy might effect is better to use for soft core personally

[round escarp]

agreed

i also think a curse/hexblast build with the life stuff will be really nutty

[icy kiln]

And I like the the idea of a es mana hybrid life pool

[round escarp]

I'm pumped to run the spectres, cant wait for the notes on the raise beast

because i want that too

[viscid radish]

Tame + Spectres will be nutty

[round escarp]

yeah i want a tame beast with a soul eater

[icy kiln]

Yeah that looks sick to all run together haha

[round escarp]

and then the rest just be melee spectres

[tough wing]

I feel like this is gonna have a big dex requirement

[round escarp]

yeah im thinking that too. I may go gemling for it

if i really have to

but that unholy might will be so strong

[tough wing]

yeah i was thinking that as well, tactician or gemling

but lich unholy might is great

now that unholy might works with elemental damage too

[round escarp]

being able to turn 3 spectres into 6

huge

yeah

might be worth not having a soul eater beast

nah

then gemling if you're going to mix. having the extra gems is pretty valueable as well

[tough wing]

depending on how cool the new supports are for minions

gemling might be good yeah

so you can have 2 of the nutty ones

[round escarp]

yeah

not sure about league starting a gemling minion guy though

but that tame beast might carry a lot

[tough wing]

risky haha

[icy kiln]

What is the move for minion start?

I wonder if we can go lich spectres from the start and have it be good

[tough wing]

arsonist or archers imo

depends on patch notes

[round escarp]

Turns out I'm dumb. There's no soul eater unless you get the breach boss node

I'll go lich minions

Also for spectres I wonder how viable the forsaken miners will be with increases cast speed

[finite mica]

any idea how shadow of burden / life tap will interact with lich ascendency 'life cannot change while having ES' ?

[round escarp]

Gotta test but it might work

[icy kiln]

Good shout, then just use the broken spectres once they’re found

[low meteor]

I've just put an AI on working through all known POE2 data to come up with the most overpowered summoner, lazy style build. It's gonna take a while before the results come in, but I'm curious 🤣

[distant dome]

New Huntress opens up some silly options, unless corrupted Ingenuity already rounds up. Getting over 100% bouns to rings should allow some silly breakpoints, that you can double with Kalandra's

I really hope they nerf rarity O.o

[near jewel]

guys, is it a bug? - ancestral warchief totem causes aftershocks. with sunder .

[limber lodge]

Yo easy question here, if I have decaying hex supporting despair and a monster dies afflicted by despair and contagion, will the contagion DoT spread effect cause the curse to be spread as well? I assume the answer is yes

(The answer is yes, per wiki: https://www.poe2wiki.net/wiki/Curse#:~:text=Decaying Hex%3A If a curse,a non-ailment chaos debuff.)

(or do I just need to support it w/ hex bloom, which is fine as well I guess)

[round escarp]

expected behavior

[dawn spire]

Yep, I used that same setup ingame and it worked beautifully

[limber lodge]

Follow up, I'm assuming this works with blasphemy as well? I don't see why it wouldn't but just want to check

[dawn spire]

I'm not sure. I never tried it

Though I'd guess it would not work since I don't think decaying hex works with blasphemy

[limber lodge]

I'll go test it

[dawn spire]

Hm, the wiki just says contagion spreads curses even if you're not using decaying hex

[limber lodge]

Weird, I didn't realize but yeah it says that on the Contagion entry. But then it says this on the "Curse" entry:

I'll test it all. sec

[storm crescent]

noob question : where do you find your build ? on the website POE ?

[lucid hollow]

Maxroll.gg

[polar zealot]

has anyone made perfect strike work?

with the new unique spear that aggravates ignite

maybe it has potential

[limber lodge]

Aight just tested both cases.

With blasphemy, despair and decaying hex, contagion will NOT spread the despair on killing the enemy afflicted to by it w/ blasphemy. Unfortunate.

However, despair DOES NOT need decaying hex in order to be spread with contagion.

[dawn spire]

I pull a build from the cacophony of my own mind and record it using pathofbuilding

[storm crescent]

i try and this didn't work x)

[dawn spire]

Then I'd recommend holding alt and reading more underlined phrases and reading more gems

And if that doesn't work, try gaining 10+ years of experience with poe1. That's the combination I used to make my own builds for poe2

[storm crescent]

hum

10+ years...it's like finding a job

[dawn spire]

Now you're getting it!

But nah, poe2 is different enough from poe2 that you shouldn't need that much poe1 experience

[storm crescent]

PO2 look more beginner friendly

[dawn spire]

And it's also possible your build concept was solid, but you just didn't get good enough gear to get it rolling

It's more beginner friendly in terms of required knowledge. Way less friendly in terms of combat and boss fights

[storm crescent]

boss fight are so fun in this game

[dawn spire]

I'd first start with an idea you want to try. That could be something as simple as, "I want to use the Spark skill" or more complex like, "I want to combine chronomancer's cooldown shenanigans with cooldown abilities". Or your idea could be your goal, "I want to be really good at killing essence monsters".

Once your have your core idea, you explore skills, supports, ascendancies, and (if you're in trade league) unique items that could support that idea. It could enhance a strength or round out a weakness.

When I made my corrupting cry str stacking gemling Legionnaire (that just so happened to be the same build Raizqt made independently, which was quite validating for me) I first had the idea that I wanted to be tanky in hardcore and I didn't want to bother with ES.

That led me to life stacking, which led me to str stacking on the gemling, which led me to things that benefit from strength stacking, which finally led me to corrupting cry + seismic cry.

Because of the quirks of seismic cry, anything that built up a stun would ruin my entire build. So my options for other skills were quite limited. It also meant that most weapons were useless for me.

So I ended up with a shield and a scepter. Shield for defense, scepter for spirit. Then, with my excess spirit, curses with blasphemy seemed pretty dang good. So I booked it all the way over to whispers of doom for a second curse. The best nodes I could take were str, %str, warcry speed, warcry damage, life, and area of effect. Everything else was kinda meh.

Sorry for the flashbang, but that's basically how I formed that build

[sharp bluff]

I am struggling making my build via items. Trying to go for high damage high mana build but no matter what I spend I am unable to go beyond 4k mana and I die in boss fights ! Help !!( cold shock sorcerers)

[twin coral]

will lightning crossbow ranger still be better than lightning crossbow merc in new patch you guys think

[feral halo]

anyone know if there are good warrior buffs?

for next season

[silent glade]

there are lots of balance changes in 0.2. the full patch notes with all the details haven't been released yet, so keep an eye out for those next week

[glacial creek]

I wonder if some "impeding doom" build will be viable with lich

[feral halo]

do you think warrior will actually have a chance to be "good"?

last season it was dead in the water in all aspects except for bossing

the mobbing was so bad I literally quit

got to 90 and raged

[glacial creek]

People say warrior when they mean maces

[feral halo]

I mean the class

[dawn spire]

Warrior can do MoM spark which is a great build as far as I know. So saying "warrior" is not very specific.

[compact tulip]

"on the weapon" anyone have an idea how this would work exactly

[static plinth]

Smith of Kitava is goated for extremely unique heavy builds that can sacrifice their chest, right?

[feral halo]

like an actual warrior style character playing as warrior the way it is intended

[dawn spire]

There is no such thing as an "intended" way to play a class

[feral halo]

alright man

go on reddit or something

[dawn spire]

There is no such thing as a warrior skill or warrior item. There are mace skills and mace weapons

[cobalt pollen]

have you seen titan fusillade builds with hulking my man

[atomic halo]

i dont think anyone really knows, it's a brand new wording.

[static plinth]

I mean there are warrior sklls but theyre all spirit gems

[dawn spire]

Yeah, true. The spirit gem menu pisses me off

[atomic halo]

however, it probably refers to accuracy rolls on the item itself, and is not affected by accuracy from other items or global increases, like on the tree.

[static plinth]

Yeah this seems most likely. Makes it ideal to have accuracy rolls on your weapon instead of it having the opportunity cost of less damage

[dawn spire]

Do we know if spears have implicit accuracy on them?

[atomic halo]

i dont remember seeing any of that

[static plinth]

I dont think weve seen any with implicits

Well besides the split ele damage ones

[dawn spire]

Most build guides are things you follow from level 1, not from 68. But I personally really like Raizqt's corrupting cry str stacking gemling. But be sure to add on ball lightning and lightning warp to add shocks. And use that support that increases shock magnitude and lowers shock duration. When you use it on lightning warp it doesn't actually have a downside because the shocked ground duration isn't affected by the support gem

That build is very easy (basically one button), very beefy, and very cheap. It's hcssf viable as a league starter

[heavy wigeon]

fellas I wanna league start a witch but how do you level on this class? I remember starting infernalist last time but Act 1-3 felt like a slog

[compact tulip]

just use arc

[cobalt pollen]

like minions or what

[woven depot]

I just level my witches with snipers

Either detonating with firewall or with demon dog if infernalist

[dawn spire]

What build do you want to play? Saying you want to league start as witch isn't very informative

[heavy wigeon]

the lich, want to do chaos things and be safe

Minions/chaos spells I don't mind either

[dawn spire]

Essence drain, contagion, and decaying hex + despair make a solid combo

I also recommend using a second essence drain with hourglass support for bosses/rares

[velvet trout]

Took a break for a while and jumping back in. Thinking of trying a mace/shield build with either frost or poison. Gemling Legionnaire (frost) or Pathfinder (poison). Thoughts on what might be more fun and/or viable?

[heavy wigeon]

ty

[dawn spire]

Not until we see them new support gems

Those are both pretty whacky concepts imo.

[velvet trout]

Yeah. More for the blocking and mobility aspects TBH. Kind of an elemental knight vibe. Templar would probably be the real jam there 🙂

[dawn spire]

I'm surprised monk/invoker isn't on your list tbh

[velvet trout]

Already played monk quite a bit so looking at classes I've not done.

Anyway I'll wait on seeing the new gems before deciding. Thanks!

[dawn spire]

Stormweaver might also be pretty neat for a cold melee build

[cobalt pollen]

double chill spear

maybe a fresh gem that can leverage double chill

or just play funny chill making everything 80% slower

cold nado screenwide chill

definitely feel like I want to look at fire and cold more

played too much lightning this patch

[dawn spire]

I'm just not sure how one can do cold mace without any mace skills that do cold damage

Aside from just cold infusion and conversion from uniques

[atomic halo]

default attack + cold infusion i guess

we basically already saw builds doing that

abusing HOI

[mint summit]

Unless they nerf blasphemy or hexblast for some reason lich looks like the best ascendancy for that

[heavy wigeon]

sick

[paper sky]

I don’t know if it’s been brought up, but does The Bringer of Rain unique helm seem like it will work with the new smith of kitava armor?

[atomic halo]

no, because all the points grant bonuses while you have a body armour equipped.

that's the whole reason why they worded it like that, so you couldn't use bringer of rain with it

so you have to equip a normal body armour instead

[paper sky]

Dang, I had a feeling but I didn’t know if there was something in the wording to bypass it. I know the smith said you can ONLY use normal armor but I wasn’t sure if that meant it worked without any either :/

Thanks for confirming @atomic halo

[atomic halo]

well yes, that part works.

the only issue is that that part doesn't actually grant you anything;

the successive nodes grant you stuff, and they grant bonuses while a body armour is equipped.

[paper sky]

That makes sense. I see the “the body armor grants”. So you need a body armor as a base for it

[atomic halo]

yeah, otherwise you'd get nothing.

[limber lodge]

Thoughts on if Necromantic Conduit will work with Blood Magic? I don't see why you'd be considered "On low mana" if you had no mana bar whatsoever. But who knows.

(Apparently in poe 1 blood magic puts you at neither full mana nor low mana, which is logical to me. Hopefully it's the same. If so blood magic makes conduit free which is kinda sick)

[silent glade]

it is the same, you cannot be on low mana if you have blood magic

[limber lodge]

ty

[turbid chasm]

Hello , I have a question. I watched a build today, using the ring converts 100% of lightning damage to cold damage. Call of the brotherhood, the guy was ranger and said using stormcaller arrow would still shock..
Wouldn't it not shock anymore because it's now cold damage?

[craggy ice]

extra damage isn't affected by damage conversions, im guessing the build relies on some source of extra lightning damage to shock

[turbid chasm]

@craggy ice yeah I guess stormcaller , as its a delayed lightning bolt still shocks, ima try it out later and see how I go, if I can buy the ring for cheap haha

[high rivet]

ok so im stuck trying to figure out a build

first question, does magic find work on your minions?

second, can stormweaver fit around 100-150% magic find without giving up too much

i dont want to feel like im missing out on magic find this league cause i did last league

[sharp glade]

stormweaver minions

lul

[high rivet]

was thinking either lich minions or manastacker stormweaver

didnt really clarify

[feral oxide]

the only problem with going blood magic on lich would be that you have to solve for life sustain

[cobalt pollen]

eternal life

[static plinth]

How are people working with the cooldown on Hammer of The Gods rn?

IS it just going chronomancer and praying for resets, or just using it as supplementary?

[feral oxide]

recharge stops if you spend that resource by default in poe2

unless they changed that

i tried that on monk

didnt work

[static plinth]

Youre thinking of Eternal Youth

Eternal Life is the Lich node that stops your life from changing

[feral oxide]

oh, fuckin