2┃build-planning

[pure fox]

this for example

it has 497 physical dps

[tiny brook]

right

[pure fox]

so doesnt matter the prefix if its 125% incerase or 100%

[tiny brook]

oh sure

[pure fox]

what matter is the 497

[tiny brook]

yeah

[pure fox]

so i should focus on hight attack speed etc

as long as the physical dps is high

[tiny brook]

yeah

[pure fox]

ok tyty

[nimble hound]

How does Wither work? I put it on Rain of Arrows it has not procced once in 2 hours.

i dunno how youtubers do this lol

[humble wave]

I'm trying a Mercenary Lightning build ( Galvanic + Shockburst Rounds ) using the Ranger/Bow Stormcaller Arrow to apply Shock. However the arrow never...seems to hit? It applies Shock like 1 out of 6 casts, this doesn't seem right, and I don't know what I'm doing wrong

[tiny brook]

do you have pierce

or any form of splitting proj?

[humble wave]

I have Conduction and Fast Forward on it

[tiny brook]

on your tree/gear I mean

[humble wave]

Doesn't seem like it. I do have a bow that shoots 2 arrows though

a dualstring bow

[tiny brook]

that should be no biggie

what matters with stormcaller arrow is technically the bolt the arrow spawns on its location

[nimble hound]

wow last boss is hard as this build.

poison concoction

[tiny brook]

so next time you use it I'd look to make sure the arrow is actually spawning a bolt on the enemy or somewhere else

[nimble hound]

was very easy as gemling with pillars

[humble wave]

yeah this seems to work fine, it just isn't applying shock that often

and i have Conduction on it

[tiny brook]

very odd

[static plinth]

Does your RoA have chaos damage

Withering Touch needs chaos to proc

[lavish shadow]

Question. If I lesser jewel orb a skill I get from a weapon when I switch the weapon will it apply to that same skill or is it gone

[brazen verge]

guys can you help me with this? scattershot on shockburst rounds. every possible dps shown in skill details tell me it gets less dps with scatterashot than without. does it calculate correctly?
it seems to me it doesn't take into accout the 2 additional projectiles?

[neat bison]

Sceptres have a modifier for it

Increased presence radius or something

[nimble hound]

yeah i just relized that i dont 😄 i need a level 3 support gem but none dropped yet

im 46

i also need to use despair but my int is too low to equip

[cosmic sparrow]

is deaths harp worth getting

[hot dew]

Hey everyone, hope you're doing well! I just noticed that Monks reserve spirit for some spells. How do they generate spirit? Is it through gear? I don’t remember seeing it in the passive tree.

[open gulch]

Something is bugged or what? Between those are like 40% dmg So why DPS is only like 400dmg? Or i dont understand something

[wraith egret]

Qual?

[open gulch]

Quallity is on this on top but give AS, this is what buffing 17 lvl gem?

[wraith egret]

Attack speed? Yes that’s more dps friend

[nimble hound]

I keep crashing during the 2nd trial.

happened on my other toon to

seems like some bug on the map

[open gulch]

On the left 17 lvl, on the right 19 lvl

[nimble hound]

should i just pick this game up again in a year or something

[wraith egret]

Attack speed is helping the 17

[open gulch]

Okey, both are on the same lvl but this on the bot is with this quality, now diff is 1k dmg

[wraith egret]

I’m confused on what your trying to get at here lmao

[mystic osprey]

are there any mechanics that make demon form damage your energy shield instead of health?

[open gulch]

Here? Nothing, on my build something.

Because i have better amulet but without +2 mele skills and i just wanted to know how much dmg i losing without this amulet

[silent cloak]

are there any good classes/builds out there that are decently nerf proof that are using eye of winter as spammable?

[wraith egret]

So qual the 19 and you will know lmao

[cunning night]

should i lesser jewel my raging spirit or arsonists first?

[open gulch]

Easy to say but i dont have equal for gems

[pearl sluice]

it states that infernal hellhound let minions ignite. does this also include me ? i am not running minions or fire on my demonform. so im not really sure if the hound is even usefull for me. unless it does let me ignite. maybe i can combine a bit of lightning with ignite

[brazen verge]

.

[static plinth]

I believe it'll only calc for 1 round

[wraith egret]

The quality is 7% more damage on the 17s

[brazen verge]

thanks, that would explain it...

[silver anvil]

I read that crossbow mercs have a very hard time scaling damage without using HoWa, which leaves me wondering if I need to swap to a HoWa version if I want to do pinnacle content in the game.

• what's the pinnacle content in this game? T16+2 maps? +4 difficulty stuff?
• any estimate of the dps needed to do that kind of content? I feel like I've reached the point where I need to spend multiple divines to only get small boosts to my dps. Currently saving for a better crossbow as the last significant dps bump.
• Not related to me improving my build, but there's a lack of scaling options in this game, is it limited to mana stacking (archmage) and stat stacking (howa), or are there other builds/methods that can reach the same power that I don't know of?

[static plinth]

Overall, it probably is a DPS loss, though

[woeful sundial]

if i anoint an amulet now, can i overwrite it with a new one later?

[brazen verge]

so the skill is pointless? how come? (obv im using the pulse dmg as my dps source)

[jaunty flame]

pinnacles are typically +4, though you only need to do +3 for all the atlas points

[wraith egret]

The 19 would be at 16059 with quality

[blissful stratus]

Conc effect should beat out Heft in damage for HotG right?

[wraith egret]

Yes as long as you don’t corrupt it

[silver anvil]

i guess pinnacles are a bad word since they have carry over meaning from poe1 bosses, I meant more of the highest level of content, is there anything beyond +4 stuff?

[static plinth]

Oh fuck i was thinking of Galvanic Shards one sec

[jaunty flame]

beyond +4 stuff? not to my knowledge

[blissful stratus]

Uber is +4, the bosses are indeed pinnacles, its a correct term

[brazen verge]

I'll post some screenshots if that helps, just a sec

[static plinth]

Okay so yeah. Its only considering of the 3 bolts hitting. Its a DPS decrease because you can only hit an enemy with 1 projectile from the same skill use (unless a specific exception is made)

Projectiles that make AoEs being exempt

Against more than 1 enemy its a DPS increase

[silver anvil]

Is there a mapping equivalent to that? Like in poe1 the goal was titanic blight where the stuff was way harder than typical ubers, or something along those lines

i wanna see how far i need to take my current build and if i really need to grab howa

[thin basin]

anyone running cast on x with eye of winter

[brazen verge]

@static plinth oooh thank you so much, if that's correct thats a HUGE dps decrease! since I use it mainly for bossing... I totally forgot about it somehow since someone suggested this support gem x_x

❤️

[hybrid cloud]

Does "chance to inflict ailment" affect "chance to poison"?

[wraith egret]

Has to say damaging ailment

[hybrid cloud]

Just says ailments. Im wondering if this gives me 21% chance to inflict poison.

[brazen verge]

@static plinth I'll tryy to confirm it somehow tomorrow to make 100% sure, will try to remember to let you know if I find out anything

[thin basin]

increased

[brazen verge]

if anything its multiplicative, so not 20%

[thin basin]

if you have 50% itll give you 5.1% so 55.1

[hybrid cloud]

so would it scale my currently chance to poison?

[open gulch]

There is a limit how much dmg we can penetrate? For example cold?

[thin basin]

or some math like that

[blissful stratus]

I would think uber Zarokh(Trial of sekhemas) or +4 ARbiter is the highest thing possible right now, besides like an 8 mod, +2 levels tier 16 with an extra corrupt from the keystone, with a boss with modifiers from the other keystone, and juiced with crazy tower buffs and really high delirium

[nimble hound]

am I doing something wrong or is Herald of Plague absolute trash compared to Herald of Ice

relatively speaking, diff build/classes of course

[halcyon holly]

trying to throw some really scuffed bullshit together, are there any other skills you can hit with your own skills like bell that isn't bell

[nimble hound]

HoI exploding the whole screen. HoP barely noticable

[cunning night]

jungle monkey got wrecked

he do hit hard

good thing i have mad armour bizatch

[mortal cloak]

Any suggestions for fire based grenadier? Anything I could shift a bit to get a better route?

[hybrid cloud]

If you were to convert all your lightning damage to something else or even partial. Like call of the brotherhood or original sin does this still apply?
How does it work if partial is only converted? like 50%?

[granite pagoda]

Is there a reason why the interactive passive skill tree map on Maxroll runs like garbage?

[granite pagoda]

It was a legit question tho. Is it my browser? A specific setting?

[stone cedar]

any good monk build to follow?

[plain beacon]

Raxx's Invoker Ice Monk Beginner Build is really nice

[stone cedar]

im lvl 57 rn

[celest oxide]

30% Everlasting Gaze Price Check?

[stone cedar]

56 actually should i follow his end game build?

[silk skiff]

Has anyone here been doing testing on minion mechanics and interactions?

[plain beacon]

You could give it a watch and see, I haven't gotten that high yet, just enjoying it to 35 so far.

[brazen verge]

@static plinth I cant tell for 100% whether the pulse is triggering but the bolts ARE hitting

[cunning night]

is troubled camp in jungle glitched?

[still rock]

Anyone know ways to increase the speed at which Fiery Death explodes?

[hushed sonnet]

hey anyone kow if cast on shock bugs when plasying with someone else also using it? Mine wont cast when playing with my buddy

[silver anvil]

what builds scale the best in both tank and damage? I only know of archmage and howa stat stacking atm

[rare bloom]

anyhting in this game does self damage to shields?

besides pyromantic pact

[thorny token]

fireflower, melting maelstorm

[wraith egret]

No you are turning your 500 dmg hit into a 500 dmg lightning hit not rolling on a lightning skill which is what makes that node usable

[neat bison]

Once mine was high enough level to survive I pivoted from meat shield to searing flame/fire exposure/strip away/magnified effect

[sharp vortex]

if I post my build here for my spark sorc, can I get advice? i got a few divs and really unsure how to spend it... and going for utlity belt is a bit too far

[wraith egret]

Do you have cast speed on your rings

[sharp vortex]

yes?

[wraith egret]

5 socket level 20?

[sharp vortex]

no? 5 sockets costs like 2 div and lv20 is like a div

[wraith egret]

You said you have a few div those are both worthwhile upgrades for the price

[cosmic sparrow]

question is the crit damage that deaths harp gives good enough to slot it in instead of using a rare bow if you are using snipe

[woeful sundial]

crazy question does a bow count as a two handed weapon

like can they use the overwhelm node

[hybrid cloud]

I meant the other way around. 500 lightning -> chaos or cold or something.

[wraith egret]

Good question i honestly don’t know, I imagine the math for the lighting roll still needs to happen and that would make use of the lighting rod. But things don’t always work the way they should as we’ve seen so far. So can’t really say

If it does work lightning rod is 30% more damage if you have 0% crit

[hybrid cloud]

If it does work it seems like a great notable. But does say "lightning damage". Relearning poe2 hard imo lol.

[neat bison]

So inevitable critical doesn’t guarantee a crit right? It’s just +100% base?

[woeful sundial]

anyone know? is a bow technically a 2 handed weapon or nah

[wraith egret]

No it’s a bow

[woeful sundial]

+100% would be guaranteed. it's gotta be basically times 2 chance

[thorny token]

bow is 2 handed weapon for modifiers that are for 2 handed weapons and nothing else specific

[wraith egret]

100% increase it’s not much really

[woeful sundial]

so the overwhelm node, 40% increase damage with two handed weapons. works with bow or no?

[neat bison]

Yeah I figured, thought I should ask to be sure

[wraith egret]

Ends up only being a few % crit

[thorny token]

yes

[woeful sundial]

👀 . i'm about to anoint for it are you positive lol

[midnight bolt]

can hexblast explode same enemy 2ce if they had 2 curses?

[thorny token]

thats how it worked in poe1

[granite grove]

Anyone know if this can straight up kill you or if you will just sit at 1hp until something hits you?

[thorny token]

i am close to 2 handed node on my bow

so i can confirm in 2 secs as well

[woeful sundial]

nice

[woeful sundial]

cant confirm but i've heard it doesnt. if you have the ability to do it it should be easy to test yourself

[lusty surge]

anyone know when will GGG add a dummy for dmg testing?

[thorny token]

yes still does

[cosmic sparrow]

is the crit damage that deaths harp gives good enough to slot it in instead of using a rare bow if you are using snipe

[thorny token]

you just wont be able to cast, it will never kill you

[woeful sundial]

nice dude. 40% damage and 20% stun buildup from one node is crazy

[granite grove]

ok thanks, you wont be able to cast just that skill right?

[acoustic oxide]

@cosmic sparrow no not really, it's damage is very low so that 50% multiplayer doesn't do much

Unless your add clearing but just use a dual string

[cosmic sparrow]

bummer was hoping to have a bow that has really good crit damage like the unique has

[thorny token]

thats right

[cosmic sparrow]

i guess its better to just get a bunch of crit damage nodes in the passive tree i guess

[midnight bolt]

what the heck is goin on? why cant i activate blasphemy

[acoustic oxide]

Ya or get crit, crit damage on a bow and then get %phy increase

[thorny token]

missing socekted skill

oh

int reqs?

for the despair maybe?

[midnight bolt]

i have more than enough

200+ int

for both

[still rock]

is the curse inside set to a particular weapon set

[cosmic sparrow]

gonna take 15 years to get crit damage and %phys on a bow in ssf lol

[acoustic oxide]

Ohh ya in ssf use what you got, uniques are good for that

[midnight bolt]

ty!! apparently u cant put it to 2 different weapon sets

[acoustic oxide]

Build around the death harp if you have it

[frosty arrow]

well I finally got to hexblast on my chayula monk and I think this is the closest the game will be to a walking simulator

[cosmic sparrow]

what about these? for gloves

[midnight bolt]

oh nvm it completly bugged out now its set to both weapons and has circle animation but doesnt reservr spirit or do anything

[cosmic sparrow]

nah i dont have harp but i do have a chance orb

[thin basin]

how does one calc x% more dps over like 5 sec every 10 sec

[warm seal]

Gas arrow gemling stacking str. I have a lot of extra spirit after flammability/blasphemy and herald. Anyone have a suggestion for a good str focused spirit skill?

[thorny token]

well it doesnt need to be str gem right when you are gemling

i would just use wind dancer

attrition is ok too

berserk if you have rage gen

[warm seal]

Alright, good idea. I meant if there's anything that scales off strength, but attrition works well. I appreciate you

[jaunty flame]

i gotta say, this is interesting, is lightning 2h good?

[muted birch]

For my Deadeye Ranger. Shpuld I use Magnetic salvo or galvanized rounds?

[warm seal]

Salvo

[muted birch]

Reasoning?

Should I use Glavanized for leveling then Salvo for endgameM

[glad bone]

posting this here for any discord searchers: herald of plague and contagious contamination do NOT stack

[warm seal]

Lightning arrow/rod is pretty good for leveling, but if you're willing to respec then so is gas arrow if you have the ignite unique helm or 1 exalt to buy it

[latent holly]

is anyone aware of a bug related to the "Focus Energy Shield" node where it's supposed to give 40% increased energy shield from equipped focus? my buddy just showed me that he has it on and it doesn't appear to be doing anything

[muted birch]

Im currently using lightning arrow/rod atm. Works well but for some reason my dmg feels lacking ia that normal at around level 30?

[thorny token]

its normal if you arent upgrading your weapon properly

[muted birch]

My weapon is decent

[warm seal]

Get a widowhail and a decent quiver, it'll carry you to the end

[tiny brook]

alright, I'm trying to use stormcaller arrow too now and it's just straight up not shocking

the person complaining about this before probably has the same issue

[latent holly]

is anyone aware of a bug related to the "Focus Energy Shield" node where it's supposed to give 40% increased energy shield from equipped focus? my buddy just showed me that he has it on and it doesn't appear to be doing anything

[tiny brook]

could it be that I need a decent dps bow to shock with it?

[glad bone]

sometimes stats get frozen until you relog or change zones, especially with shapeshifting

[glad bone]

also on that note, weapons are disabled in shapeshift form

[latent holly]

he's playing stormweaver so i don't think there's any shapeshifting

to be safe though what do you mean exactly? like what other things could interfere?

[glad bone]

sometimes certain talent changes get frozen until you change area

[latent holly]

hmm okay

[glad bone]

it's probably either that bug, or you're looking in the wrong place. it won't show on the weapon tooltip, only character total

[latent holly]

and should that node work with eldritch battery too?

[jovial patio]

Hi everyone, i am playing monk. I am currently at level 85 and i am not doing enough damage. I am following multiple build but i am not having the dps on skill nearly as much as other in the yt videos. What am i doing wrong? I have a staff that does 193-323 physical damage, but the dps for martial tempo is still 8k, but i have seen people having it as 30k+. Can someone help. I have attached my passive tree and weapon

[glad bone]

i don't think so, EB converts base ES to base mana. you can't scale ES->then convert to mana

if you have EB then any maximum energy shield passives (including the focus one), will do nothing, because you don't have ES. scaling comes AFTER conversion in poe2, so you can't do crazy things like triple your ES then convert, triple mana, getting 9x mana

[spice shell]

out of curiosity, are there any good options for cast on <x> aside from comet (literally never seen someone use anything that isnt comet)

[thin basin]

whats the min map tier for audience to spawn in ritual?

[glad bone]

without looking too deeply into this, you're missing support gem sockets

also your weapon is very bad

[glad bone]

some people are doing lightning conduit as well, i believe

[glad bone]

i don't know, but my guess would be 15 since that is the requirement for 'map boss' progress

[thin basin]

lc, ball lightning/that one jump lightning spell combo

lightning warp is the name

[teal raven]

Anyone have any insight into how Flame Wall interacts with the shotgun-like attacks on crossbow? I'm testing a bit on a low-level character. Shooting a 10-fragment Incendiary Shot through a 3-5 damage added Flame Wall doesn't seem to be adding 30-50 damage to it. Which is probably for the best, but I'm not sure how to interpret what mechanic is causing this not to work.

[quasi wind]

Hey everyone, is anyone doing build Poisonous concoction Pathfinder?

[thin basin]

also heard about cast on freeze cold snap was it

[spice shell]

do you mean like running two cast ons, one w ball lightning and one with lightning warp?

[glad bone]

usually shotgun type attacks have a very low weapon damage ratio, the 'added value' is based on 100% weapon damage

[thin basin]

hmm saw it on reddit dont know fully let me check

[teal raven]

Ah. So the Attack Damage stat on these skills also kinda functions like the... What was it called in PoE1? Added damage effectiveness or whatever?

[thin basin]

https://www.reddit.com/r/PathOfExileBuilds/comments/1hlhovl/archmage_stormweaver_lightning_warp_cos_conduit/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=web3x&utm_name=web3xcss&utm_term=1&utm_content=share_button

[thorny token]

its just 1 stat now yes

[frosty arrow]

Focus passives are local

So they work with eldritch battery

[thin basin]

new link

that one

screenwide aoe

selfcast ball lightning, it perma shock and u tp everywhere

[teal raven]

Been playing almost nothing but martial characters. Only just realized that I don't see that added damage effectiveness stat on spells. I suppose that's why Spark + Flame Wall still works? No coefficient to speak of there?

[thorny token]

i dont think increased defenses from x are local

it just applies the increase only to that item and thats about it

that is how the 100% inc eva from chest also works

[thorny token]

yes all spells have 100% DE now

[jovial patio]

Can support gem take it from 8k to 20k?

[thorny token]

mostly because flat sources for spells are almost non existent now

outsied of flame wall

[glad bone]

pretty sure weapon alone could do that, your current one is practically a blue item

[teal raven]

Interesting. Not sure what to think of that, but that answers my questions. Ta.

[frosty arrow]

@thorny token damn you're right. I just tested it

[thorny token]

yea its confusing wording cant blame you for thinking that

[proud sorrel]

Just got enough spirit to grab barrior invocation on my invoker monk, any recommendations for skill gems to socket into it?

[frosty arrow]

if you are also stacking evasion with energy shield this is natural counter synergy with barrier invocation. You need to get hit to take advantage of it

[proud sorrel]

okay, good to know

any other recommended meta gem?

[fair widget]

really depends on what you're playing

can only give advice with context

[astral badger]

im running the telestorm cryoshock sorc build. im at t15 maps with +2 boss map difficulty. I'm getting 1 shot by bosses now. is it time to swap to chaos innoculation?

[fair widget]

Depends on how you're getting 1 shotted by bosses

If you're dying to elemental dmg or phys then CI wont save you

[frosty arrow]

you are probably getting blasted by just physical damage nukes

[astral badger]

im blanking on the boss' name, but its the boss that disappears and the room fills with poison gas.

[slim spoke]

Anyone running base volatile dead with enezuns wand? I'm trying it out on a firestorm sorc with like cracked exposure. Any tips anyone can think of?

[frosty arrow]

in which case just building up a large damage buffer is all you can do. But I think endgame boss oneshots will just happen. The damage on some of their attacks seems to barely be possible to survive with whatever build

[astral badger]

i got stunned by one of the knife attacks and was one shot before i could react.

[eternal marlin]

hi, how much evasion do i need to make ghost shroud and acrobatics worth to use? (fubgun la deadeye tank version build)

[frosty arrow]

balbala?

that's a rough one

[astral badger]

so just keep building up mana? id really like to not run CI

yes balbala.

[fair widget]

Im assuming you're playing mom, then yes just build more mana but also make sure all res cap

[astral badger]

but i beat a few +2 difficulty bosses before, and that one absolutely wrecked me.

all my res are 75%. playing mom and battery

[hollow galleon]

made a video on 75% block chance with quarterstaff.
#in-game-showcase message
I'm surprised I don't see this build anywhere, since u don't need a lot of block chance nodes, and u also get +75% damage from your block chance.
Who needs a shield amirite?

[frosty arrow]

that boss is tough in general because of speed and unpredictability. It's very hard not to get hit by daggers

[astral badger]

and im at 3233 mana, with 529 mana regen per sec

[frosty arrow]

if you still have room to push mana up that's the only thing you can do to boost physical damage buffer on such build

for elements obviously elemental resists are needed

[astral badger]

yeah one of my rings doesnt have the best mana boost.

i feel like im stuck between a rock and a hard place bc im trying to get divines so i can buy better gear, and i know endgame bosses are a good source, but i need that better gear to survive lol

[frosty arrow]

some builds are just not as good against certain things. Some have better clear, some better on bosses. Or particular bosses

could just not fight that boss

[astral badger]

true true. i have to learn what bosses appear where

[mellow shell]

Some nodes say "critical hit chance for spells" and some say "critical hit chance". If I have 50 on both, does that mean it is 100 in total then or?

[frosty arrow]

crit chance from passives is generally not flat additive

it multiplies your base crit chance

[mellow shell]

What does it mean if I have 145% "critical hit chance for spells"? Without any base crit chance

[devout dew]

I am looking for PF Ranger help - for Helmets Body Armors Amulets and Rings - what stats do i need to target and pinpoint focus on

[frosty arrow]

that means that base crit chance of a spell will be multiplied by that value. If something can't crit it won't crit

any spells that hit have some sort of base crit chance

[devout dew]

any Pathfinder Rangers here that can help me out

[lucid juniper]

Whats better for leveling ranger, gas arrow or light arrow build?

[foggy stirrup]

what class can I just turn my brain off while killing stuff outside of bosses

[mellow shell]

I want to use it on Hexblast, which has a 7% base crit chance. How much would 100% and 145% give then?

[atomic halo]

7 * 3.45

[frosty arrow]

that

[mellow shell]

ooh sorry I meant as in different calculations. so 7x2= 14% chance to crit and 7x2.24=17.15% chance to crit.

but I understand now

I am guessing on top of that I can use "crit chance" to make it base x spellcritchance x critchance ?

[atomic halo]

its all additive if it says "increased"

but flat crit adds to the crit on your weapon

[frosty arrow]

generally going for crit is only worth if you go all in, and build around it not just for damage. Since having just a little bit of crit won't do much

[mellow shell]

it says "145% increased Critical Hit Chance for Spells"

[atomic halo]

example:
base crit: 10%
modifiers: 100% inc. crit, 100% inc. spell crit, +10% to crit chance
(10+10) * (1+1+1) = 60% crit

[frosty arrow]

having 15% crit chance at base crit damage multiplier will only boost your average damage by like 7%

[mellow shell]

hmmm I am trying to understand

[neat bison]

What’s generally recommended mods for a Bow if I’m going double Herald LA? Phys %/Flat phys/Flat cold then + skills? Or something else

[atomic halo]

if all you do is spell damage, 100% inc. crit chance = 100% inc spell crit = 50% crit + 50% spell crit

[mellow shell]

pff

I am sorry you lost me there

wait give me like 2 min

[devout dew]

Any Pathfinder Ranger able to help me with 1 thing if possible

[frosty arrow]

main reason why distinction for spell crit and crit is made is IMO to avoid martial classes getting ungodly crit stacking by intruding on the part of the passive tree made for casters

[atomic halo]

like it's the exact same stat

[frosty arrow]

if a spell can crit you treat both of those the same

[atomic halo]

"spell" is just to narrow down the skills that it applies to

[thin basin]

+4 with good stats or +5 with meh stats?

[frosty arrow]

depends, this is very vague. But +4, why not

[fair widget]

Depends on magnitude of the stats

[thin basin]

about 200 dif on my weight sums

[fair widget]

That's too vague, 200 what

[thin basin]

between all the good stuff you know, mana, spell dmg, light dmg, crit, crit bonus

[fair widget]

Still too vague

[mellow shell]

Oke lets see. I am using Hexblast as a spell. Which has 7% base Crit chance. On the passive nodes I have selected "190% increased Critical Hit Chance for Spells" and "162% increased Critical Hit Chance". Without anything else added like armor or resistances, how much crit chance has Hexblast? 7% + 190% + 162%? 7% x (190% + 162%)? Or something else? @atomic halo @frosty arrow

[atomic halo]

technically those are the same

[fair widget]

The latter

[atomic halo]

but the latter is more accurate

[frosty arrow]

for the purpose of calculating crit for spells ignore the "for spells" part. All crit nodes work the same for spells that can crit, like hexblast

difference only exists so attack crit builds can't scale their potentially very high base crit into the stratosphere

but for spellcasters all nodes function identically

[mellow shell]

So If my main damage source is Hexblast, any crit I use is increasing it anyway. No need to stress over the names and so on?

[frosty arrow]

spells generally have pretty low base crit, that's why casters given more opportunities to scale better with modifiers

[frosty arrow]

correct

[limpid flame]

i use crossbow

[fair widget]

Technically you want to make sure you're not taking something that says "increased crit strikes for attacks"

Since that'd only work with attacks, not like you're pathing to them

[balmy fable]

@thorny token u think it pays to keep using blueflame bracers even w/ three dragons so herald of ice is the first herald that goes off from siege cascade?

oh wait

[mellow shell]

Good tip

[balmy fable]

you cant actually

would have to use uh

[thin basin]

gun to ur head, same price, pick one

[balmy fable]

actually idk if you can convert fire to cold

erm

lightning

rather

you can go cold to lightning and l ightning to cold

and fire to cold

but idt you can do fire to lightning

[fair widget]

Havent played spell build in poe 2 but 1st should be better, it has more gain as extra

[frosty arrow]

it will depend what are you casting. This won't di much for chaos DOTs for example

[fair widget]

Gain % of dmg as extra x dmg, for most purposes behaves like a "more" modifier than an "increased" modifier

But yeah wont work on dots

[frosty arrow]

but generally I'd prefer to have % spell damage, and %spell damage of certain element on the wand

before getting damage additives via conversions

if you are not scaling for crit already that large crit chance multiplier on second wand won'td you much good though

same with crit damage on the first

[fair widget]

Yeah and the extra gain % as x damage is again, just a "more" modifier

[mellow shell]

So just to make sure I get 24,64% crit chance just by the passive nodes? I am trying to get 100% crit chance..

[frosty arrow]

I don't think getting 100% is viable in POE2 as of now

certainly not on a spell build I think

[balmy fable]

it isnt really, except maybe with bone spells

or blood mage

[fair widget]

Yeah very unlikely to hit 100% crit chance in poe 2 without some ungodly setup

[balmy fable]

even then might not be possible

[fair widget]

For calcultion purposes

[frosty arrow]

I just think that for pure damage with crits getting high crit isn't even worth. If you have some on crit buffs and effects it starts making more sense

but if you blow all your points on getting crit chance you won't have much left to do anything interesting with it

my 2 cents on this

[fair widget]

You're need roughly 1400% increased crit strike chance with a 7% base crit

[thorny token]

you can just get +10 base crit for free on anything with EOW

[mellow shell]

what is EOW?

[thorny token]

eye of winter

[fair widget]

Well that's still 1000% increasd crit strike chance collectively

[frosty arrow]

that would still require 900% of crit chance multipliers. Where'd you get that

[mellow shell]

still dont know what that is xD I am new bro

support gem?

[frosty arrow]

I thought eye of winter has even higher base crit than 10 though

it's like 15%

[fair widget]

Nah its 10%x(1x(1000% increased))

[mellow shell]

This guy has close to 100% on Hexblast. 97.5% https://youtu.be/TQSnXxnw9Rc?si=nUhfDX_WBhaGEnmg at the 06:00 minute mark

[balmy fable]

it applies a status that increases the base crit of what you hit with to 15 i believe

@thorny token do the tri herald builds clear with fire skills

and use herald of lightning as the first herald proc

[thorny token]

no it applies critical weakness

whic means +10 base crit for everything

including itself i guess

[thorny token]

yea

[frosty arrow]

I'm also playing kind of a hexblast build rn, on my way in cruel. It's a chaos monk. But I'm trying to think how to make build less...run and gun? Right now clear consists of run into a crowd and left click. That's it. I have contagion, essence drain, and dark effigy with poisons for bosses. But for clear it's such a braindead build. I'm wondering what can I do

[fair widget]

Bloodmage and quite a lot of stats on gear

[mellow shell]

Yeah, I know. Trying to aim for it for endgame. Not his build specifically. I just want to get a 100% crit going with curses and hexblast.

[mellow shell]

How much crit chance you aiming for on the passive nodes?

[frosty arrow]

none so far, probably just none in general

will scale chaos multipliers as I can, then mostly survivability

damage is honestly not an issue on even very borked builds. What kills people is not lack of damage

I might try incorporating corpsewade into this too, just to see how lazy this build can get. Maybe even left clicking once per pack is too much

[mellow shell]

I see

[thin basin]

aintnoway a 50% adorne is 5div

[frosty arrow]

too early to tell, there's few ways to build this I reckon. I know I'm going with mom and eldritch battery at least. I think having 80% chaos resistance and not wasting that passive in ascendancy tree might be enough

[mellow shell]

Monk with Acolyt of Chayula I am guessing?

[wheat marlin]

Is there a current "top" build for maximum blasting? Archmage?

[swift sinew]

anyone have a goldrim fel cap, idol of uldrum, or levinstone. lvl 24 and under i could have/trade

[frosty arrow]

ye. I think flames of chayula is a great way to supplement eldritch battery chaos build

and for 3rd ascendancy I'll go for that high chaos resist, just in time for maps

[mellow shell]

I see

seems like monk is better for chaos damage build?

[thin basin]

grabbed something similar but now its 30% light so it should scale a bit better with my tree, missed out on crit and regen tho

[frosty arrow]

it depends. I think chaos monk is better with supplementing a martial weapon build with chaos

for pure chaos caster it's just different, has it's advantages

I also considered chronomancer, I think there's interesting things you can do there

[mint citrus]

+1 spell or 20% cast?
idk what would be better

[heavy wigeon]

how high can you get shock? how do you increase it?

[mellow shell]

Yeah I want a caster rather then melee. So blood mage would be better

I will make a frost monk build with Invoker I guess

Thanks for all the help all, going to bed now. Cheers

[peak forge]

I really want to make a stamped sunder build work, is there a viable build planner that y’all can recommend that’s updated? Most everything is outdated post-nerf

[distant cypress]

does the support gem, "strip away" stack with "fire exposure" or any exposure support for that matter

[neat bison]

Yes

[opaque sparrow]

Can an item be destroyed via vaal orb?

[atomic halo]

no

but there are outcomes that are just as bad as being destroyed

[sterile stone]

does gas arrow build use equilibrium?

it sounds like it can benefit just like EA bcs the inheret proj does not have ele dmg, which you can just add cold to proj for fire exp

proj hit > exposure & gas > explode

[tidal copper]

What exposure does fire give?

[sterile stone]

lightning

[hasty meadow]

best class/build for boss carry? esp sekhemas with 5 ppl, dps before he do timestop

[eternal vale]

if i have a %chance to aggrevate bleeding on hit and % for bleed. does it work on the same attack or only on bleed that was added before

[celest oxide]

How come I can’t use Grig Harvest in demon form?

I should be able to right

[golden sky]

qn: where can I find info on what attacks ancestral spirits use?

[broken ridge]

any warrior here? how to make more than 2 totem?

[glad bone]

you need to toggle on the aura setting for shapeshift form too, it's very janky. you'll find it in the aura settings somewhere from the skills tab

[neat bison]

Would acceleration support also give 40% damage if I had the proj speed = damage node? Not sure how that would interact with a gem

Doesn’t seem to be reflected in the skill menu but asking to be sure

[gray hull]

maybe a dumb question here but say I have a character and I take the skill gems and the weapon for them, toss them into my stash can I just pick them up on my alts?

[north stump]

question: does the Myris Uxor Covert Hood affect the cull from Lightning Warp?

[wet mango]

Should be good teah

[wet mango]

No, because I think that node says increases and decreases right? Doesn't acceleration give more proj speed

[neat bison]

Ah yes I guess the wording is indeed different

ty

Im trying to find a 2nd damage support for LA but lightning infusion and heft are slotted elsewhere

Primal armament is my 1st choice for LA already

[celest oxide]

I swear I’ve done that and it still doesn’t work

[crisp star]

can you prevent explosive shot from detonating gas grenades using the cannot ignite gem or it will detonate regardless?

[celest oxide]

It says “Skill is not valid for this weapon set”

This is what I get

Sorry for potato quality

[glad bone]

maybe you have spirit cost support gems on your demon form

[celest oxide]

I don’t 😦

[glad bone]

kinda. mobs can ignite the ground or themselves too

[glad bone]

my GF had shapeshift auras on weapon 2 on hers on console for some reason, just make sure it's on for 1 and 2

[celest oxide]

I’ll check that

Or try to at least

[frosty arrow]

which pieces of gear can roll flat mana regen, not %

[celest oxide]

Ohhh I get what you mean

So the shapeshift tab will say it’s not on

But if I have it on in weapon set 2 it should still activate?

I’m done for the night so will test tomorrow

[graceful hull]

Guys, any way to extend HH buff duration? Besides 1 passive skill notable in Duelist part of tree, and 2x Chronomancer small nodes... I cant find anything else. Which is a max of 6 extra seconds

[woeful trench]

so between arsonists, frost mage and storm mage which is best for both mapping and bosses? have decent gear but before i push a little further with 6 links want to know which miniion i should finiish the push with

[plush zenith]

what is the safest class and build for hardcore?

[sly jay]

how much rarity is recommended?

[empty comet]

also wondering this, ive heard 85% is soft cap, but dont know what that means, does it fall off gradually after that or drastically?

[vale frost]

If you have fireflower, its important to get a 30 spirit helmet, and a 100+ spirit chest,
I wanted to be defensive, but it looks like - its just not possible, but the exchange is 10folding your damage.

[sly jay]

I heard it was witch with 20k energy shield

[mint citrus]

any way to get an idea of how much % spell dmg = +1 skill level
im clueless

[fair widget]

entirely depends on the skill, you can look up the details on poe2db

[fervent nymph]

attempting to swap to an archmage spark stormweaver build at level 91, is this worth buying for 2 divine orbs?

[crisp star]

nah i don't think there's a way to prevent explosive shots from detonating the gas

i just tried with elemental focus and immolate to prevent ignites

still detonates

cause the shot itself is worded to detonate stuff

[neat bison]

Yeah I believe detanator tag bypasses

[empty comet]

why am i not seeing warrior builds stacking rage and running berserk? what am i missing? rage mechanic seems like a conditional multiplier with potentially multiple effects depending on your passive nodes and skill gems

[proud horizon]

What’s the best monk build?

[crisp star]

think it's cause of how slow hitting warrior accessible moves are right now

[thorny token]

people are using rage on warriors

slow hitting doesnt matter, you just use font of rage

[crisp star]

they use rage but not berserk

oh speaking of rage

does rage apply to ranged attacks too?

[thorny token]

the only warriors builds i looked at also used berserk

[crisp star]

it's general attack damage boost right?

[thorny token]

yes

[empty comet]

got a link handy by any chance? or even just what site it was, mobalytics, maxroll, or somewhere else?

[thorny token]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HnL6PSwGsuo

you also dont rly have any options on warrior as reservations anyway

so theres very little reason to not run berserk

theres like overwhelming presence which is somewhat useful for more reliable ignites, but you dont need it. attrition is ok but most warrior setups are hammer and perfect strike or just simply do a lot of damage so its kinda whatever too

[empty comet]

ah yeah ive definitely watched part of this, borrowed some of it tweaing my build

[thorny token]

scavenged platingis useless

herald of ash is also useless just looks pretty

magma barrier is ok

so yea plenty of spirit to use for whatever you want which is not much :d

[empty comet]

ive got it running with herald of ash and overwhelming presence

[edgy maple]

i just got this for 2 div only

[sly jay]

pretty nice

[empty comet]

scavenged plate was only being used because the mechanic was broken and it was letting you armor break walla to quickly throw stacks on SP right?

[edgy maple]

This is good too

[sly jay]

got it for 20 or 30 ex

dont remember

[edgy maple]

Price increased now haha

my friend wanna buy the monk weapon was 15ex now 2 div

[empty comet]

half crafted that the other day

idk how much its worth now, but its gotta be a lot, i got lucky rolling the res suffix and then super lucky with the vaal

think i paid a div for it, but that doesnt count what i spent on the others that cant be here today

[wheat rune]

QQ regarding Eldritch Battery . I've seen build guides recommend investment into ES recharge rate + ES recharge delay... But do these stats actually do anything when Eldritch Battery is active? They don't appear to increase my mana regen. unless it's an invisible boost

[frosty arrow]

it sounds like something out of the first game

where eldritch battery works completely different

[empty comet]

What I’m running into an issue with now is the cost scaling at high skill levels, I knew it was going to be a potential issue but I didn’t expect the cost to double on leap slam going from 29-32

[empty comet]

He talks about mobility issues in this and mentions leap slam into dodge roll which is awesome, but I also threw shield charge in an empty skull slot because it seems almost or as fast, but costs basically nothing to cast

[tired owl]

new player here, about to choose ascendancy for witch. any recommendations?

[frosty arrow]

infernalist is an easier of the two to understand and make work on the fly. Blood mage turns things on it's side with how you play somewhat

[celest oxide]

Demon Form is insanely fun

Sosososo fun

[tired owl]

yeah?

[celest oxide]

Yeah. You get an upgraded dodge roll

That covers like half the screen

And you just fly through the map

And your damage scaling gets crazy

[tired owl]

is that infernalist?

[celest oxide]

Yeah

Just try and be prepared with like 3-5 ex when you unlock the ascendency

You’re gonna want to buy as much life regen as possible

[frosty arrow]

I find it funny how demon form has cooldown of like 20 seconds, and is so powerful. Yet time stop for chronomancer basically can just freeze few enemies in place for a few seconds, but that cooldown is like over a minute

[tired owl]

so demon form > blood mage?

they both sound cool

[celest oxide]

Ummm

I can’t speak for that I haven’t played bloodmage but I feel like it’s clunky until endgame

[frosty arrow]

there are more pathways in infernalist than demon form

[celest oxide]

Demon Form is just very enjoyable imo

And rewarding to build/gear for

[frosty arrow]

blood mage is just not an easy ascendancy to work with. I would hazard a guess you won't have great time with it being very new

[celest oxide]

Because the comfort of the build scales greatly with your life regen. So you REALLY feel every upgrade

[tired owl]

yeah, i dont really play all that much. maybe infernalist is the better route

and u kinda got me interested in the demon form ;p

[celest oxide]

Once you try the dodge roll you’ll know what I mean

Mobility is always fun

[tired owl]

just chose infernalist

[frosty arrow]

when you unlock ascendancy you get only 2 points to spend. Unlocking blood mage all you can do from the start is your spells will cost a lot of health. And to recover that health you have to kill and pick up blood. That's it, no other option in the beginning

[tired owl]

gross

[frosty arrow]

so you'll have to run through entirety of act 2 and half of act 3 not even having any real special ability

[celest oxide]

https://youtu.be/1Cw63Uwq-Rs?si=ZK6oWMrqtoCWkcW_

[frosty arrow]

it's just a setup for the ascendancy

[celest oxide]

This guide is good for early on

[tired owl]

im lvl 37

[celest oxide]

Yep that’s still early one

On

[tired owl]

so i feel like blood mage would be rough

i think my gear is ass

[celest oxide]

He has an excel doc that can guide you through

Do you have any ex?

Like 3 or 4?

[tired owl]

6

[frosty arrow]

bruh, the guy can finish the game with blue gear as infernalist no problem. Don't spend your exalt first thing, you're not even halfway through campaign

[hasty meadow]

best class/build for boss carry? esp sekhemas with 5 ppl, dps before he do timestop

[frosty arrow]

don't need to spec into demon form instantly either. Respec is cheap and available any time

[sly jay]

Should I add 7% chaos res or 5% all elemental res?

I'm in endgame

[tired owl]

are exs pretty rare?

[frosty arrow]

in endgame you should try to reach caps on all of them. But if this is the choice right now go for 5 to all

[empty comet]

avatar of fire converts 75% of ALL damage to fire, including fire damage itself correct? so if i do 100 fire damage, it will convert 75 and i will deal 175 fire damage, but this would obv only apply specifically to fire damage as all other types would be ignored in the calculation

[frosty arrow]

somewhat. It's one of the main currencies for trade, and one of the common materials for upgrading gear

[iron harbor]

It doesn't do anything to damage that already is fire

[frosty arrow]

avatar of fire doesn't add any damage

[empty comet]

oh damn

[frosty arrow]

it simply makes all damage that's not fire - fire, and lowers it slightly

[empty comet]

i thought i might be stretching it a bit there

[tranquil raptor]

hey, maybe someone knows any builds which requires less skill micromanagement than witch summoner build? I have to jungle like 5 skills and would prefer to play more chill right now maybe by using 1-2 skills. I also tried mercenary but didn't vibe with all reload stuff so would prefer other classes.

[frosty arrow]

since you have a witch already with some levels you could always respec into hexblast and literally just run around pressing one button for the most part

[tired owl]

think its worth trading my only chaos orb for that chest piece?

[empty comet]

and the reason you'd take that dmg hit to convert to fire is to stack additional multipliers like elemental focus and primal armament, any other reasons?

[tranquil raptor]

will check it, thanks

[frosty arrow]

you can lower enemie's elemental resists below zero. Can't do that with armor break. Well, not unless you are a warbringer

[west epoch]

It has to specify "Crit rate to spells" for it to apply to spells, correct? I cant pick up this whole cluster that just says "critical hit rate"?

[frosty arrow]

no, any crit chance will work for spells. However, spell crit won't work for attacks with martial weapons

[empty comet]

ok now that makes sense why this would be really powerful, dont get me wrong id take a 25% tax for 2x 25% multipliers any day, but it diddnt seem build defining

[fair widget]

You can since that's generic crit rate

[west epoch]

Sick

[empty comet]

is extra additive or multiplicative? i thought it was additive, but heard someone say the opposite the other day

[fair widget]

Extra what?

[empty comet]

increasse/decrease and more/less are easy to keep straight

[west epoch]

So thats like base damage

[fair widget]

Gain % of dmg as extra x dmg functions like a more multiplier

[frosty arrow]

It basically "creates" the fire damage

[west epoch]

spell that deals 100-1000 now deals 125-1250 base damage before anything else

[fair widget]

So for most intended purposes its a more multiplier

[frosty arrow]

Key word is gain

[empty comet]

that made it click thank you

[fair widget]

Also attacks in this case

Just in case you're using a spell

[empty comet]

they said something about the term bonus as well, but i havent found an example for that yet

said bonus and extra were basically the same thing

[west epoch]

Does it show chance to inflict ailment anywhere at all? Like if i get 15% chance to shock, where is that shown? or is it like, 15% increased damage for ailment threshold calc?

cause i feel like im shocking only when i crit

[empty comet]

i think theres a setting to turn the icons on for buffs and debuffs that is off by default, but i could be wrong, i see the icons top left of my screen

not for everything though

[frosty arrow]

Some things show up, some don't.bthey really need to add icons for more buffs and effects

[fair widget]

If there is it'll be in the details on your skills tab, they did change how ailments work, not sure how new shock works havent dove deep into it yet

[empty comet]

dunno if your chance tro shock would show there, ailments, curses do, some of my buffs do, id have to pay more attention

edit: i think it just shows whether you have an ailment or not, i dont htink it shows buildup or anything

[west epoch]

ive looked all over skill info lol

[west epoch]

It's like chill, i believe

higher hit = higher chance

So i just grabbed 70% total chance to shock on the tree, using only lightning damage. I use spark which is a relatively low base damage skill and it didnt nearly instantly shock a pack of about 8 common enemies, but eventually shocked 1 when that one got crit... veryinconsistant and makes me not want to specc into it

very odd

[fair widget]

Its probably based on a formula for elemental threshold

[west epoch]

..yikes.. alright, well i need to either invest in lowering that somehow or figure out something else entirely

[fervent lake]

Doies the current stats on an item matter for corrupting it? Or is it completely random, especially when factoring in an Omen of Corruption

[hybrid ocean]

https://poe2db.tw/us/Corrupted?card-query=ignite#CorruptedMods

Anyone know if there's a quick way to see which of these mods can appear on which equipment types?

Quicker than just looking them all up individually on the trade site

[fair widget]

This is the quickest way atm

[hybrid ocean]

Oh well

On an unrelated note, has anyone checked if dual welding these stacks?

And if so, whether they are multiplicative or additive with each other

Not to mention whether it's multiplicative with other sources of increased energy gain

[fervent barn]

Anyone try out any of the ice shot builds on ranger and know a guide with a good direction that doesn’t cost an arm and a leg? Lets say under 200ex

[long bluff]

Whats up with people using 1 hp and 0 energy shield?

How do ppl survive

Mana shield?

[hybrid ocean]

Presumably yes

Mind over Matter

[long bluff]

Thankss

[hybrid ocean]

I'm trying to cook up some sort of cast on X 0 button build

[rancid seal]

does mana shield take double damage from chaos if you dont have ci?

[hybrid ocean]

It's just damage conversion and not energy shield, so presumably not

[fair widget]

No it takes the same

[rancid seal]

does anyone actually use weapon set skill points? almost nobody understand what it even means when you get it (including me).

[hybrid ocean]

If you press X you swap to your secondary weapon. Using a skill associated with that weapon will automatically swap to it.

You can split any one of your skill points (up to 24 of them) into two, with one being used for each weapon set.

This allows you to do something like have fire rate nodes for one crossbow, and then use area of effect nodes for a second crossbow to shoot grenades

[warped jackal]

• setting the points can be confusing, first respec the amount of points you want to allocate and then you csn press the I and II ocon on top right to allocate the points (the buttons can both each be toggled on and off*)

[hybrid ocean]

But yeah, anyone got a clue about how Seeing Stars works?

[warped jackal]

for instance, if you've allocated cold damage and freeze chance that doesnt work for your off hsnd skill, you can refund these points, allocate them on the freeze build weapon and then switch to the other set to allocate lightning or fire nodes

[warped jackal]

i mean if it's just 1ex, i'd just buy two and try if it works with two

im positive you should see it in the tooltip of a cast on X meta skill

[hybrid ocean]

Yeah, already have two, just haven't set up a properly rigorous rest yet

Oh

Didn't occur to me

[granite hatch]

do you guys think this is a good buy

[warped jackal]

there should be a %incr, and imo rhat one should double if ot workd

[limpid flame]

how do i upgrade my str and int and dex

[warped jackal]

but if both work* can you @hybrid ocean menion me? i would be interested in thst found.

[hybrid ocean]

Yezzir, I'll do so in like 5 minutes when I manage to drag myself out of bed

[warped jackal]

same here, but ive got to work

[hybrid ocean]

My friend and I have been theorycrafting the build, so far the notion is double heralds + cast on shock and freeze with freezing and voltaic mark

[limpid flame]

how do i upgrade my str and int and dex?

[hybrid ocean]

And then cast on dodge with some random spell to get the chain going

And archmage, maybe, if I can acquire the million or so spirit this will need

[limpid flame]

i think i figured it out nvm

[analog patrol]

What is CI build, what is CI?

[hybrid ocean]

Chaos Innoculation

[limpid flame]

im using a crossbow dose anyone have any tips on how to make my build better im new

[analog patrol]

Is it possible to ES build... when i got hit = ES regenerate non-stop?

[warped jackal]

i dont think you can achieve that, but there are ways to stack - higher than you could've have, ive seen people running around with 18'000/6'500 energy shield

[hybrid ocean]

Oh, while I'm here, does anyone know if killjoy gloves work with voltaic/freezing mark?

[limpid flame]

idk

[warped jackal]

what do the marks do, can u send them?

[hybrid ocean]

Just replace freeze with shock and you've got the other one

I'm wanting to use this because it's both a spell and an attack

so it can let me chain together cast on freeze + herald of ice

[warped jackal]

it really sounds lile it should work

if it says on shattering or similar i am not sure. but if it's worded like that, i feel that this should work?

[hybrid ocean]

@warped jackal Doesn't display any differently with one or two equipped, so I'll have to go and freeze something to test :/

Oh wait wtf

Being on PC instead of phone caused me to straight up not recognize that you were the same person

[dense tendon]

@hybrid ocean they will not stack, but intresting thing it works as off hand for scepter. I didin't test it with wand.

[hybrid ocean]

Damn, disappointing, but good to know

What was your test setup if I may ask?

[dense tendon]

I was testing stupid build about cast on minion death + warbringer because totem trigger ancestral spirits which die when you summon another tottem. I was always receiving around 50% from minion death with two or one mace.

[hybrid ocean]

Ahh

How well did that work out btw?

[dense tendon]

It could work but gg implement something like "totem delay". When the totem raise there is a some time to activate ancestral spirits. Without that it would be broken, but I didin't find any way to mitigate that delay.

[hybrid ocean]

Damn, that's a shame

[dense tendon]

The another one mace with +3 minion skill is intresting because there is no +minion mod on foci, but I think someone posted a build about that because it was so expensive to test it from the market.

[hybrid ocean]

Oh, now that one is funny

Man, if only we could use titan's blood with quarterstaves

This would be so cool

...It's probably still a better move over the other

All roads lead to gemling, huh?

[dense tendon]

Or two stat stackin quaterstaffs with hova 🤣.

[hybrid ocean]

The boring but effective way, yeah

[dense tendon]

I have gemling but mostly for testing interactions I didin't find any intresting build for him. That tree looks undercooked. I miss the "center" of the tree or possibility to assign points in another starting points.

I tried balistas but the artillery one have so much delay between "shoot" and "land", so in most ways it shoot behind the target missing the damage from hit.

[hybrid ocean]

I mean, this presumably adds to the support gem that does the same thing, right?

I'm thinking gemling just because then we can have two copies of the energy refund support

[dense tinsel]

Looking at this passive area in the bottom right.
Do bosses count as "Unique enemies"?

[hybrid ocean]

Yes

[dense tinsel]

Is there somewhere I missed where that's confirmed in the help menus?

Sorry if I am asking a dumb newbie question

[dense tendon]

The color of the name. Rares are yellow uniques are brown like. It's in the description on Rare or Unique.

[dense tinsel]

ahhh ok

thank you, I appreciate the help

[true gulch]

legionaire monk or invoker monk with 100 div budget??????

[left raptor]

So my plan is lightning shotgun laser beam build

Crossbow gem legion prolly

[fiery scaffold]

i only use 1 weapon. can i make an entirely different build in the passive tree in weapon slot 2 and then just change my weapon between slot 1 and 2 whenever i want to change it?

[pale jewel]

Guys after leveling an infernalist and spark stormweaver im thinking about leveling monk next, what are some fun but still end game viable builds?

[elfin meadow]

can someone help me with a choice for the stormweaver build

is mana regen worth it more then elemental resist for this build?

I keep hearing of massive mana problems

[manic grail]

anyone know of some endgame with builds that do not use demonform or minions?

[elfin meadow]

but I know the elemental ailment threshold is really important

[frosty arrow]

in grand scheme of things all 3 of these provide very tiny bonuses

and if you run into massive mana problems those 25% won't remedy that

[balmy fable]

@thorny token so siege cascade doesnt seem to interact with +proj

1 bolt per enemy regardless

so it isnt SUPER good for applying shock

[dense tendon]

@pale jewel Invoker monk kit is so good. Some people play ice version with herald of ice. Some play lightning version, or int stacking with hova. With CI or without CI invoker is badass and good gameplay with palm teleportation + strikes.

[thorny token]

damn, rip

[balmy fable]

ill test again

but thats what it seemed like

[thorny token]

what does the extra proj on it even do then kinda odd

[balmy fable]

BUT that does mean its good for clear

[thorny token]

just nothing i guess?

[balmy fable]

cuz it fires at EVERY enemy

ie. you arent limited by projectiles

[pale jewel]

Yeah i was def going for invoker, storm wave seems very fun for breach clearing but idk if its good for bossing

[balmy fable]

dont really know what you can do with that yet but it might be useful

ill do some testing on the next boss

[frosty arrow]

doesn't seem like it fires at every enemy in sight. There is some limit

[true gulch]

gemling or invoker monk? 100 DIV budget

[balmy fable]

its every enemy in a radius of where you target

3.5m

presumably you can increase that with inc aoe

im gonna mess with it

[grim burrow]

isnt this...broken?...for infernal witch, especially when using demon mode alot

[dense tendon]

@true gulch I would say Invoker, because it have better placement on the tree. Easy access to crit, convert frenzy to power with one aura, option to CI with es stacking.

@grim burrow you ma be intrested in that rings too.
It's one way of playing demon form. I think much easier rather than converting es to hp regen with is bugged at current moment.

[grim burrow]

i need to find that XD

[edgy maple]

how does it become 100% ?

[grim burrow]

i use a build that uses demon mode as a ultimate bosskiller move for now..which means i usally have 30-40 stacks, rarely 50+

less health means my potions can counteract it alot...at least i belive so

[dense tendon]

@edgy maple All damage = 100%. Next line is saying just about your recovery.

[edgy maple]

oh my bad ive died when my mana 50% before this

idk why

[analog patrol]

What minion cost mana and die very fast = left corpse on the ground?

[balmy fable]

okay yeah @thorny token scattershot doesnt increase the # of proj that fall

dno if thats intentional

[thorny token]

rip

[balmy fable]

it is nice for clear tho i think

i dont REALLY know what youre supposed to do with the increased damage dealt to immobilised enemies though

also ngl

i know it isnt as good as shockburst

but plasma blast with a bunch of extra proj

is fucking hilarious

but yeah as far as clear goes, siege cascade does more damage i think

but also only 1 bolt loaded

so idk on cascade vs galvanic

also upside to plasma shot is you dont need to shock first

i guess if u go plasma blast

youd use call of the brotherhood

oh actually no

thatd fuck up ur uh

heralds

[scarlet dagger]

Hey guys, I need some help with my gearing I think..
lvl 52 stormweaver, I run CI and MoM and I simply die in a 1 shot from any boss

[left raptor]

Wouldn’t call work better with galvanic and then you can convert the elements? Like in Poe 1

[hybrid ocean]

Has anyone tried both brotherhood rings on at once?

[left raptor]

I have a build that uses 2 in poe1 with. Divine ire

[burnt gust]

Does Thief's Torment drop randomly?

[burnt gust]

thanks, didnt see :s

[left raptor]

I have more of a question do we no longer get life from the passive tree

[vestal verge]

what's the lowest the enemy resistance can be? -200% like in poe1?

yeah pretty much

theres like 1 max life node and it gives +20

but energy shield..

[dense tendon]

-res dosen't work like in poe1, It cap at 0

[balmy fable]

@thorny token dyou take surging currents on ur lightning tree

[vestal verge]

that's just penetration tho right

[left raptor]

Energy shield the new life?

[hushed umbra]

Why is there so many pen nodes then?

[hybrid ocean]

Because they're not all accessible to everyone

[hushed umbra]

Nevertheless is there a source to that claim?

[neat bison]

Pen can’t reach below 0 but -res can

[vestal verge]

yes

[neat bison]

Exposure and curses can reduce below 0

[hushed umbra]

THank you

[mental abyss]

can anyone tell me if i am strong enough to beat difficulty 0 breach pinnacle? dps goes up to 50k on my tempest flurry in battle, or should i respec and get more defensive nodes?

[vestal verge]

alright then stacking exposure effect isn't a bad idea

[idle ether]

wonder if anyone knows i have taken the passive eldtrich battery which converts all energy shield to mana. its done part of it but i still have 1200 energy shield

[vestal verge]

you're using ghostwrithe

conversion can't be done twice so you end up with some energy shield

[idle ether]

i havent got that item

[vestal verge]

then what do you have that converts something to ES

or gains something as ES

[patent shell]

how the fuck do u inplement a herald of ice setup into a lightning build? do u just use herald of ice + gain % ice damage ?

[vestal verge]

maybe the mana amulet

[dense tendon]

@patent shell

[idle ether]

thats it, ty i was being a fool haha

[vestal verge]

np

the game do be complicated

[soft pagoda]

hey do you guys know how does freeze build up work? is it better to have one line of added cold dmg that's high or two lines that's lower in dmg

[vestal verge]

could you be more specific

[soft pagoda]

as in would 9-18 cold dmg on bow and 5-8 cold dmg to attack on glove, give better freeze build up than just 18-30 dmg to attack on quiver

[trim sandal]

can anyone help me with a respec to demonform? i have 2 decent mings rings and ghost rithe, is that enough to switch over?

[thorny token]

i dont, pathing there kinda sucks

[soft pagoda]

i guess the better way to ask is, is the the amount of dmg you do in cold converts to freeze build up? or is it the amount of difference sources of cold dmg that converts to freeze build up

[vestal verge]

all cold dmg contributes to freeze

so all the added and all the converted

oh

yeah its the total dmg

[balmy fable]

yeah i noticed that

i CAN fit it, but i kinda feel like ur better off just taking general electric

and calling it a day

[soft pagoda]

ah i see thakns

[balmy fable]

im also considering heavy ammunition but the 2 points leading up to it are a bit shit (stun buildup) and the reduced attack speed is ass

might be worth doing subterfuge mask + ghost shrouds

[frosty arrow]

Source of damage is irrelevant. Flat damage of any particular element will be counted as base damage, then multiplied by whatever can multiply it and be dealt as part of total damage of the attack. In this case only the cold damage part will contribute to freeze buildup

Whether it's coming from gloves, rings, quiver it doesn't matter

[hybrid ocean]

Does anyone know if voltaic & freezing mark can double dip into both % attack damage and % spell damage on their novae?

If not, which one is effective?

[elfin meadow]

does someone mind helping me, how do u scale spark? i'm seeing people with 2k-40k dps listed on the skill but im ending act three and I barely am able to hit 300 dps

[frosty arrow]

An explosion is not an attack

[balmy fable]

@thorny token does extra proj actually interact with shockburst rounds?

doesnt seem to barrage it

[hybrid ocean]

I find your reasoning uncompelling

[thorny token]

yes, try firing only 1 proj

it will fire 2 in a row

[frosty arrow]

Reasoning is based on in-game definitions

[hybrid ocean]

See image

[balmy fable]

o ya ur right

i guess the shotgun skills it just adds 1 extra proj to the shotgun lmao

so those and siege cascade are whatever with it

trying to decide if i want to plasma blast or shockburst rounds

plasma blast is SO satisfying

[frosty arrow]

I see it. It is however doesn't fit the general definition of an attack. This might be one of the few exceptions where this is treated as an attack for damage calcs. Should be easy to test

[thorny token]

mark is spell that triggers attack it should be similar to frozen legion in poe1

e.g there is no double dipping

the spell portion doesnt matter for damage

[balmy fable]

they removed pmuch all double dipping in poe2

[hybrid ocean]

Yeah, good edit

[balmy fable]

which is a good thing imo

[hybrid ocean]

Aye

[thorny token]

i mean there was only 1 and that was added chaos

[frosty arrow]

What would scale the aoe size of the nova. Attack AOE or spell

[thorny token]

rest was just conversion not double dipping on anything as same mod did never applied more than once

[dense warren]

Hi, may I know if there is any difference between ice strike and tempest flurry on a invoker monk build? I'm following don crown build but I also found build leveling with tempest flurry, now idk what should I use 👀

[thorny token]

attack

[scarlet oasis]

For merc gas grenades what better on weapon, physical dmg or elemental dmg

[balmy fable]

ya i just remember when u could abuse double dipping on stat sticks with % as extra LUL

[thorny token]

its just triggered attack and thats about it

[frosty arrow]

Gas isn't elemental

[scarlet oasis]

The flame explosion is

[thorny token]

you still need +levels to spells tho because that part applies to the gem and not the triggered part always but i assume thats obvious

[scarlet oasis]

Sorry should have clarified that part

[hybrid ocean]

I'm trying to cook up a Seeing Stars build-
Current notion is to use Call of the Brotherhood and Shaper of storms, and see if I can stack up enough energy generation to have heralds of ice and thunder infinitely proc cast on shock and freeze freezing & voltaic mark

[frosty arrow]

Although, gas grenade is weird. The cloud itself doesn't actually have any buildup. It just applied a dot

[frosty arrow]

If you go for gas with armor explosions you are probably also using oil, frags, and explosive shot. Or some combination of them. A lot of physical damage will be converted to fire

[hybrid ocean]

SeeIng stars being the mace that doubles energy gen, and Shaper of storms makes all damage contribute to shock chance

[balmy fable]

also herald of thunder has some weird interaction with large shocks @thorny token

tho it might be siege cascade

i think it goes off on the hit

not the attack cast

[scarlet oasis]

Don't think i actually have armour break, how would I get that

[balmy fable]

cuz w/ coursing current or wahtever the prolif gem is

if i prolif to a whole pack, i can see HoT going off like 10+ times

[frosty arrow]

There's a support gem that breaks armor on poison. On my gas I run that, then extra armor break, then armor explosion. Even though gas is just a support nade I usually do my trash clearing just using that

[hybrid ocean]

Have you considered combining this with the killjoy gloves?

[balmy fable]

no reason to really i think, will have more than enough procs without

[frosty arrow]

It also helps with whatever little physical damage you have, since you'll destroy the armor. Coupled with oil's fire resist reduction and a bit of pen you can scale both phys and fire on your grenadier

[scarlet oasis]

Same, I use the radiant hood so I can just throw a gas nade as I run past a group

[balmy fable]

though killjoy would help all 3 heralds, so it isnt out of the question

[frosty arrow]

I find if I just throw gas and oil everything just self combusts instantly

[balmy fable]

oh

makes life flasks do nothing

yeah nah lmao

[frosty arrow]

And then it's like chain reaction

So I don't need to use up a helmet slot with a one trick unique

[hybrid ocean]

Oh, yeah I suppose merc doesn't run ES usually

[frosty arrow]

But igniting is also useful for getting extra damage with hits on burning enemies. Those nodes are pretty easy to reach on Merc

[dense warren]

Thawing or sapphire charm for last act1 boss?

(immunity to freeze or Cold res charm)

[hybrid ocean]

Actually

[balmy fable]

i would use thawing personally, but maybe better to just learn the fight

you shouldnt be getting hit by anything he does

[dense warren]

I see

[frosty arrow]

his cold attacks are the easiest to dodge in that fight. But I'd go for resist

[wild berry]

is there any way to tell how much this stat is doing, besides what my personal gameplay experience is and guessing? I wish it showed up on my stat screen, same with elemental ailment. If I changed this to another stat, I could cap my res, but it also might be unknowingly carrying me.

[frosty arrow]

The whole stun and ailment threshold thing is very poorly explained tbh

I always felt it does nothing or very little. You'd probably need to stack large amounts of it to feel the difference

There doesn't seem to be a way to see what these numerical values do actually

[marble epoch]

help am i doing this right bc im in act 2 and getting my butt kicked

[thorny token]

you dont have to collect the small passives like pokemons no :d

[frosty arrow]

You are spending way too much time near the start of the tree. Generally you have to go out further to find best value for your points

[marble epoch]

ok thanks

[frosty arrow]

There's like at least 10 points there I'd consider wasted

[wild berry]

I do feel that I am harder to lockdown, and receive less pushback when Im hit, but I would prefer to see to some facts / formula how it works

[marble epoch]

dang really

[scarlet oasis]

What support gems r u using on ur gas grenades?

[frosty arrow]

Armor break, armor explosion, extra armor break, and...I forgot the 4th one. Not at my PC right now. It's not that important, those is what making gas nade self sufficient as clear and support for big enemies

[topaz estuary]

No

[balmy fable]

@soft lake so siege cascade is weird lul

[scarlet oasis]

Just trying to think what to remove, I have primal, scatter, immolate and elemental focus

[frosty arrow]

I have scatter on other skill. You already get 3 grenades if you use the passive and bombard crossbow. Gas covers vast area as is

[marble epoch]

i also need help with gear bc i dont feel like im not doing anything to mobs and im getting basically one shot

[frosty arrow]

And if you are very lucky with corrupting bombard crossbow can shoot 2 extra grenades

[scarlet oasis]

Can you remember the name of the gem u use for armour break?

[frosty arrow]

If you use search bar at the bottom when you select a support gem type in armour

It'll show up

All 3 of them

I believe the explosion one might be tier 2 or 3

I just never remember the gem names. I use search for effects I want tbh

Same with passive tree. I'd hang myself if it didn't have a handy search function

[rancid seal]

does this work with ci?

[left raptor]

Also match that with ash if you have the spirit and they pop too

[frosty arrow]

I think someone said that "on low life" trigger works with CI. But it seems like a bug to me

Can't be hard to test, since you'd see change in evasion

[thorny token]

both low life and full life conditions work

that one is full life so woks just fine

[frosty arrow]

Is that from the first game? Seems like it shouldn't work

[thorny token]

yes

[frosty arrow]

Yes as in...it's a bug or a feature?

[thorny token]

well the full life thing is intentional

the low life thing also being counted with CI is new in poe2

and idk if its bug or not

but full life is correct and makes sense

because you are at 1/1 life so its full

[left raptor]

Honestly for a crossbow merc seems more efficient to keep the health build for armor and ev and take the node to convert ev to armor then build what es you can

[frosty arrow]

You might as well just build for evasion

[left raptor]

Then you die when you get hit

[frosty arrow]

Armor sucks, and you are losing out on good double ev/armor nodes, and pure armor nodes are far and not great

You'll die when you get hit even stacking armor this way

Better to not get a keystone and just go for armor gear

[wild berry]

I am doing acrobatics, these are my stats. Its the most op node in the whole game imo, it keeps saving my bacon from all kinds of death effetcs, slams and spells

[left raptor]

Did you read I said build for evasion then convert it to armor

[hybrid ocean]

Am I about to burn down the kitchen, or is there something here?

Thinking of using this with arc on both gems

[frosty arrow]

You don't get benefit from evasion nodes if you convert

Only base values from gear

No double dipping in mixed ev/armor nodes

[limber shale]

can someone help me

[left raptor]

Is that a new change since poe1 not how the first game worked the evasion would hit the multiplier to get the total ev then that number is added to armor

[frosty arrow]

There was never any double dipping afaik

Because if you convert you have no evasion anymore

For calcs it's just armor now

[left raptor]

Well how do they get your total

[frosty arrow]

So no global multiplier to evasion apply, since you have 0 evasion

[frosty arrow]

Whatever base value on gear is now just armor

That's it

[limber shale]

help plz

[frosty arrow]

Only armor multipliers work

[left raptor]

I don’t believe that but I’ll do my own research

[thorny token]

it is the truth

everyhing is converted at once and first before applying modifiers to it

it was big change in poe2 and applies to multiple things

damage as well

[frosty arrow]

This node might be worth taking if you have a really high evasion value piece of gear and going for armor otherwise. But building for it is just getting no benefit of either pure armor, pure ev, or mix. It's a trap

[left raptor]

That change honestly is pretty dumb just my opinion ehhhh more simplifying of the world

[woeful cypress]

What's the max resistance penalty? It's currently -50% in A3C

[hybrid ocean]

I suspect you get marginally more armour out of a well rolled ev+armour piece than pure armour

[thorny token]

yea i liked the old system more as well, allowed more build variety

but i dont mind either way

[hybrid ocean]

By the way, can you ignite already ignited targets for the purposes of cast on ignite?

[thorny token]

and the new system already caused balance issues as well so thats funny

[hybrid ocean]

Wondering if I need to somehow slot in that support gem that consumes ailments

[thorny token]

because everything converts at once you get ES from the mana amulet even with EB

which wouldnt happen with the old system

[thorny token]

yes

[hybrid ocean]

Sick

[left raptor]

No health no build stacking all the passive tree is crap artificial damage gates ….. like who was the genius that that needing a currupt for full supports was a good idea

[hybrid ocean]

Thoughts on this?

[left raptor]

Please one of you tell me I’m not forced to farm skill gems

[hybrid ocean]

You can always buy them

[left raptor]

To get it 6 linked

I’m sad

[hybrid ocean]

Or make peace with the fact that 5 link is supposed to be the standard

[left raptor]

I’m ssf

[hybrid ocean]

And 6 link is an exotic chase thing

[thorny token]

well you can upgrade the gems after you corrupt them

[left raptor]

So you can add sockets after it’s corrupted?

[thorny token]

no you can upgrade level after its corrupted

so you dont need to bother with high level gems

[real kiln]

are there any good stormweaver builds capable of simulacrum 82 carrying

[hybrid ocean]

You will however need perfected jewelers orbs

[left raptor]

Right now I need lessers I’m still under 30

[hybrid ocean]

But yeah, what spell do you think would be best for applying ailments from a meta gem with Avatar of fire?

Idea is that Avatar of Fire + Shaper of Storms lets me make full use of both cast on ignite & shock

My goal is to try to just chain these together ad infinitum

[quick urchin]

anyone got a good endgame spark build i do like 200 dps rn at lvl 48

[tawdry mantle]

Is there a significant difference between Global Physical Damage, Attack Damage and Melee Damage for a Titan?

I'm thinking that melee is the worst as it wont affect HoTG or Sunder, but dont know the difference between Global Phys and Attack

[copper finch]

any good minion builds?

for infernalist

[snow sierra]

Like any minion build ?

But like any minion build it wont go zoom zoom

[copper finch]

well I just leveled a witch

[snow sierra]

If you need guidance on leveling minions i recommend gazzyTVs earlyier videos, ignore the new ones they are expensive as hell tho

[copper finch]

Wanted to go demon form, but realised she can't rly get a lot of mf :)

[thorny token]

hotg and sunder are both melee, look at their tags

[peak slate]

where to go for Djinn Barya i forgot the place