2┃build-planning

[wet mango]

but yeah I think we're just also missing a lot of content and stuff

[midnight geode]

[wet mango]

if you have a lot of rarity arlready, another 20% incr isn't a big deal

[midnight geode]

true i guess

[snow sierra]

how do you find ground curse while mapping ? i used it at the start too but it felt horrible cause i couldnt use hex bloom

[hushed umbra]

How do you get rarity on charm?

[thin basin]

i only use ground temp chain for bosses working fine rn

[mystic osprey]

does 1% evasion chance increased or decreased make a huge difference?

[static plinth]

Golden Charm

[wet mango]

also, shields (and maybe body armour?) can roll "additional % PDR" which does work on bleeds

[snow sierra]

ah ok i kinda wanted it to better mange breach too^^

[wet mango]

depends how much you have already. If you're at 95% to evade then 1% is a lot, if you're at 18% then 1% isn't a lot

[midnight geode]

its a charm

[midnight geode]

ah nice

[thin basin]

apex of moment actually does work btw

[hushed umbra]

Triggers before he spawns loot?

[thin basin]

i would take it but the other single nodes are so bad

[snow sierra]

yep found it out a few days too

i use apex of the moment, timestop and the 33% cd reset

kinda gos nice as a combo

the 33% cd reset was the last one

And i have slow maginitue on gloves no clue if it helps apex too tho

[crystal storm]

how to make fire wall spawn 3 walls?

[snow sierra]

do you mean spellecho maybe ?

Or unleash ?

[crystal storm]

i think i saw on some stream it does 3 wasll in the time

cascade, member

its in poe2?

[snow sierra]

most firewall user use fortress that makes it a circle

[mystic shard]

its a good way to kill urself if ur hardcore

[crystal storm]

so i was mistaked probably

[ashen dock]

I cannot figure out what is causing my shockburst rounds to do chill instead of shock

It's the same for all my lightning skills. I've checked my gear and passives and don't see anything about lightning being converted to cold

[cedar river]

Do you have some lighting to cold conversion like the dragon helmet?

[snow sierra]

if you seen it there might be way i just dont know it

[tawny blade]

can anyone express the difference between life regeneration and recovery rate please

[snow sierra]

recovery is a umbrella term

for leech, regeneration, recoup

while regeneration is just that regeneration

[tawny blade]

ahh ok so ideally if i ever had chance of 5% life recovery over 5% life regen, recovery would always be the better choice right?

[wet mango]

three dragons? Also, verify if your skill actulaly does lighting damage on this page

[snow sierra]

yes

[wet mango]

not at all

what do you mean 5% life regen

"regen 5% of max life per second"?

[snow sierra]

i think he meanes increased 5% thats what i assumed

[wet mango]

or "5% increased rate of life regen" (which I don't think exists as a mod)

[ashen dock]

Not using any uniques, and yes it says it's doing lightning damage. Shockburst Rounds can't inflict shock which I guess makes sense, but Galvanic Shards doesn't have that note and is still doing chill instead

[rugged creek]

will Iron Reflexes negate anything gained from Escape Strategy

[wet mango]

scroll up, is it also doing cold damage

[wet mango]

yes, because conversion works before modifiers (like those from Escape Strat)
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[ashen dock]

Nope. No cold damage

[wet mango]

show inventory (just the images, don't need to mouseover)

[wet mango]

i mean my only thought is any amount of cold damage can cause chill, while shock relies on % to inflict. So it could be that it was trying to apply both chill and shock but you were just always failing the chance.

merc or what ascendancy?

and what supports are you using

[simple beacon]

does this stack like does a crossbow count as a bow aswell or no

[wanton bluff]

does the gas grenades explosion(which i trigger by igniting mobs with the orange quality helm item) detonate the explosive grenades aswell? sorry if i asked in the wrong channel

[wet mango]

crossbows are not bows

[wet mango]

no, it's not a detonator

although if it ignites an enemy it could work

[ashen dock]

Witch Hunter with Decimating Strike. I'm trying for an ailment build so I have poison support gems on that skill (I just took them off to test if that was affecting anything)

[wanton bluff]

i am playing on ps and explosive shot aiming is wonky, looking for alternayives to it

[restive turret]

question: if eldritch battery converts all energy shield to mana, would dream catcher (more spell dmg when max energy shield) proc always? or does the game consider my mana bar to be my new energy shield

[flint trail]

Hi, do these nodes affect shield skill damage scaling?

[static plinth]

You cannot be at max energy shield with 0, you need at least 1

[static plinth]

No

[flint trail]

Lame, ty.

[sudden crown]

anyone any ideas why when I open my tool tip for flicker strike regardless of how many times I hit something there is no dmg boost ?
does it not show that gained dmg ?
bcs I think same logic goes for "mantra od destruction" that gives me 40% gained as chaos and it too doesnt show the dmg boost on tooltip

[wet mango]

it doesn't show gained damage

it just applies for that 1 hit

when would you see the dmg boost?

[uncut jay]

Where is herald of ice getting its dmg from ?

[wet mango]

like do you expect to see the dps number go up if you land a crit?

[wet mango]

attack means from weapon

[uncut jay]

but my weapon doesnt have any physical dmg, just lightning

[sudden crown]

I mean its preety missleading bcs for reality rending there is nothing about it being for one hit or smth like that
so I suppose it gives me 23% chance to gain chaos dmg when I perform a hit right ?

or is it something like this when I perform a hit there is chance that that hit will have gained dmg ?

my english is not the best so

[wet mango]

it doesn't say X% of weapon physical damage. It's X% of weapon damage

[restive prawn]

has anyone tried a physical skeletal sniper build?

[wet mango]

Imagine a mod that said "50% chance to do double damage"

Reality Rending works like that

"gain as" is just a form of extra damage

[wet mango]

"gain chaos damage" just means "do extra damage", it's not a buff or anything like that

[sudden crown]

oh ok now that makes sense why it doesn't show in tool tip 🙂
ty for help
just sad that I cant see it, no pob 😭
so with this knowledge I have 7% chance when clicking flicker to do double the dmg

thats good xd

[thorny token]

well it wont be double

as your ele/phys scaling wont apply to chaos

[sudden crown]

I'm scaling chaos and phys only and have extra dmg of elementals for ailments

[icy lotus]

does sunder get its damage from melee damage or your weapon's damage?

[wet mango]

well, assuming your damage scaling on tree and stuff applies generically. IF you have like "incr cold damage" or "incr phys damage" it won't apply to chaos

[wet mango]

right so if you have phys scaling it won't apply to the chaos damage

(although I"m not sure where you'r getting phys damage on that side of the tree)

[sudden crown]

I scale chaos and get high phys base

there are some nodes like that left top corner that gives me

I mean I mainly just do chaos nodes and get as highest as possible phys base to scale my gain dmg from into the breach and that way I scale chaos by having high phys base

[wet mango]

ok but then those increases aren't benefiting the rest of your damage

[obtuse jungle]

Hey guys, am I understanding it right that **"increased Damage with Hits against Enemies affected by Elemental Ailments" **is a multiplicative multiplier?

[wet mango]

no

it's an "increased damage"

[wet mango]

ok, we're not talking about your base item, was saying specifically "increased phys damage" or "increased ele dmg" (if you had any)

[thorny token]

if you are doing that you should at least look at mings heart then so you arent completely at mercy of doing no damage when you have no flames

[sudden crown]

they are if I get my 5 stacks of 7% extra chaos dmg it scales with those nodes

I tested it

[nova ember]

do you need some kind of omen to vaal a unique over the usual range, or will usual vaal orb be able to do it on low chance?

[thorny token]

yes but the base phys doesnt

like imagine your damage like this

[sudden crown]

yes but base phys gives me more extra dmg

bcs extra dmg is getting it from base

[thorny token]

you do 100% phys, then you get 5 flames of chayula that give you 45% phys as chaos

[sudden crown]

before all increases

[thorny token]

all those chaos nodes do nothing for that 100% phys

[sudden crown]

no no no

that not how it works

[thorny token]

that is how it works

[obtuse jungle]

but what damage does it increase? doesn't it increase the damage of the hit that has already calculated all the additive multipliers?

[wet mango]

this is also an additive multiplier

[sudden crown]

when you get 5 flames you have for example 100 phys dmg that is base and 35 dmg added to it as extra chaos dmg

you dont lose phys dm

[thorny token]

yes you dont lose phys damage, the phys damage is just not scaled

from any of the chaos nodes

you are clicking

[wet mango]

?? not sure i understand. Assume your base is 100 phys damage, and your hit has 100% gain as extra chaos. So now you do 100 phys and 100 chaos.
The increased chaos dmg modifiers make it like 145 chaos and 100 phys.

[sudden crown]

yes but extra dmg is scaled of your base dmg so I get higher chaos dmg

[wet mango]

we're just saying the incr chaos dmg mods don't scale the orig dmage

[sudden crown]

ye ofc it dont

I just dont have increase to phys yet

only lv 68

[wet mango]

that would be worse, because it won't scale your chaos damage

[thorny token]

if you have only 5 flames then you can look at those nodes as having pretty much less than half effect

when clicking them

[wet mango]

but is there no generic damage nodes on taht side?

[thorny token]

so this node becomes basically 3.5% increase to your damage if you had no other increases etc

[sudden crown]

only saw attack speed with quarterstaffs not dmg

[thorny token]

actually its not evn half as effective, its 1/3 as effective

[foggy crystal]

Between Poisonous Concoction Pathfinder and Gas Arrow Deadeye, which is a more friendly league starter?

[thorny token]

as its scaling only 1/3 of your base damage

[thorny token]

pconc pf

[sudden crown]

7% increase when I get 7% gaines as extra chaos dmg increases that 7% gain by 7% not 1/3

[thorny token]

i am talking about final damage

its very simple concept idk how do you not understand it

[wet mango]

there's quite a few generic attack damage nodes

[sudden crown]

idk what you mean I just stack phys base , increase chaos dmg and have high chaos dmg with this like

what you want

[thorny token]

1/3 of your damage is chaos, you click chaos damage node, it has 1/3 effect on your final damage

[sudden crown]

not 1/3 xd

[thorny token]

compared to if you were 100% chaos

[sudden crown]

its over 100% bcs of double buff to flames of chayula

[thorny token]

i give up

[sudden crown]

🙂

[foggy crystal]

Alrigh, thx. Although I've read that there is some bug with pconc interacting like a bow skill and it may get fixed/nerfed. Is it a deal-breaker for this build, in case they fix it?

[thorny token]

there is no bug

[sudden crown]

ye got those that middle one is bigg dmg 50% increased attack dmg but 30% is on full life

[thorny token]

quivers and bows just give a lot of proj levels

so you use them

[wet mango]

easy to be on full life with high ES

[thorny token]

pconc always uses unarmed but thats no bug

and the stats from quivers and bows are global not local to weapon

[tall timber]

what do you guys think of morior invictus for sparchmage? socketed with all 2% increased mana soul cores

[foggy crystal]

Alright, thanks

[thorny token]

pconc itself might get nerfed

[sudden crown]

ye my problem is getting rid of voll armour for that power charge generetion

[thorny token]

but it wont kill the build

so its pretty safe

[sudden crown]

no armour is sad kinda

[fiery wave]

you guys think demon form ha sa different hitbox?

i changed my build after 4th ascendency point to try demon fire (no mana) and i feel i get hit a lot more

i guys the mobility really is op

but i also think the hitbox is different

[magic snow]

the dodge in demon form seems to still have 1 instead of 0 as hit box from my testing

but not sure about what you are saying

[torn jolt]

how to fix my lightning resistance 😦 can i do it with 9 exalts ? xd

[thorny token]

the hitbox of the player i asusme not dodge roll

[fiery wave]

yeah the hit box

[thorny token]

and its not impossible for it to be bigger so might be the case

[magic snow]

ye

[fiery wave]

like i get hit by more rolling stuff

projectiles

[wheat marlin]

Haven’t played in a week, any new meta top end builds drop? Or is it still archmage spark?

[carmine sandal]

you only play top end meta?

[wheat marlin]

Yeah why play a bad build

[carmine sandal]

true, but then you should help make the top end meta classes that the streamers havent found yet 😄

[wheat marlin]

Plus top end builds have more scaling options that keep me entertained. If youcan finish a mid build easily…there’s not really a reason to continue playing

[thorny token]

temporalis builds

[wheat marlin]

Also as if I’m going to find something that 100 people who play the game professionally no-life all the time haven’t with my 3 hours max a day lmao

[fiery wave]

anyone can use anything

[thorny token]

also stat stackers

[fiery wave]

theres tons of reason to play a bad build

because you wanna try shit out

or because you like to problem solve

[wheat marlin]

Loud incorrect buzzer

[fiery wave]

you play the game and dont let the game play you 😄

[thorny token]

there isnt a lot of reasons to play build that do not scales with investment for long

[carmine sun]

do skeletal arsonist benefit from accuracy to minions?

[fiery wave]

i mean if fun for you is only make number go up fast then you play the meta build

[thorny token]

when i played builds like that in poe1 i just quit the league when the build was finished and that was it

[fiery wave]

if you acutally wanna engage with the game you do whatever

[pine stream]

does physical damage to attacks on gloves still work if i have avatar of fire?

[thorny token]

yes it just gets converted

[marsh sparrow]

hi guys how do i add more support slots to my basic attack

[thorny token]

level up

[marsh sparrow]

ah i see

fok

[neat bison]

Nah they have an aoe splash so no accuracy check

[thin basin]

@snow sierra just curious, how many cast speed node did you click?

[tawny blade]

Hey guys are spirit skills class specific ? like blasphemy

[next arrow]

are my stats good?

[thorny token]

they are not

no skills are class specific other than the ones that come directly from ascendancies

[tawny blade]

Thanks @thorny token

[thorny token]

cap your fire res

and lightning res

lul

that should be your priority always

[next arrow]

what about chaos?

[thorny token]

doesnt matter as much

[uncut jay]

% increased dmg with quarterstafs - is that physical and elemental ?

[thorny token]

its generic

so applies to all damage with quarterstaves

[gritty marten]

guys, got a question, not sure if this is the right spot tho xD
how's call of the brotherhood lightning damage conversion to cold damage work?
your boosted lightning damage -> to cold damage
or
your base lightning damage -> to boosted cold damage (if your passive tree has cold damage increase for example)

[uncut jay]

ty

[thorny token]

scaling is applied at end

so second

[gritty marten]

so lets say i can use spark as a map clearer while my passive tree is on cold damage?

[thorny token]

sure

[gritty marten]

yay, thanks a bunch 😄

[tropic socket]

for spark MOM shud i use the iron rune on my armour or mind rune?

[vast folio]

on monk, what do you choose for reward from "The Slithering Dead"?

[jade locust]

does quality matter in POTG?

the flat damage on the weapon I mean

the #increased weapon damage is affected by it?

since it goes from 9-18 to 11-22

[hollow egret]

What's the best Spark build? I see a few on mob and maxroll.

[jade locust]

https://www.youtube.com/@Iva_m1/videos

probably what you looking for

set to "most recent"

[uncut jay]

when herald of thunder/lightning is applying damage, does that count as "dmg with attacks" ? Is only dmg not "with attacks" is dmg over time ?

[median kraken]

It'll add to your base damage, which will then be scaled by your other damage scaling. It depends on how much of your base damage is coming from PotCG's base damage versus flat damage from other sources.

[thorny token]

heralds are attacks

[supple jay]

should a demon form build take elemental ailment threshold or mana regen for the first venom draught?

[thorny token]

so yes they do attack damage

there are also spells

that do spell damage

some dots can also do spell damage

[supple jay]

I think mana but maybe ailment might be too good idk

[jade locust]

POTG builds usually use HOWA right? to scale that damage

[thorny token]

ele ailment threshold is pretty useless imo

wouldnt take it ever

[torn jolt]

is there chaos res amulet ?

[supple jay]

its good for some bosses and map suffixes

[vast folio]

how do I check my stun threshold and chance to resist a stun? There is nothing under my stun protection and my boots have a stat for it 😦

[supple jay]

but demon form can position pretty well to avoid that shit
I think mana regen prolly better

[median kraken]

That's the meta thing to do with it. And yeah, if you're a PotCG HOWA build then most of your base damage comes from HOWA so increasing PotCG's quality will barely do anything

[gritty marten]

apologies for another question..does call of the brotherhood also work on archmage and mana tempest? just, as long as its lightning damage it gets converted?

[vast folio]

mfw bulgarians playing poe

[median kraken]

Rare amulets can roll chaos res mods

[jade locust]

yeah that's what I imagined, ty

[thorny token]

no

all conversions happen at once

[median kraken]

And "damage as extra" is basically a type of conversion

[soft lake]

Jesus, I didn't expect to see anything coming close to DOT cap for years, haha. Is this with a playable build at all, or is it pure theorycrafting?

I'm still trying to figure out optimal pathing for my Pathfinder. Low Tolerance is in such an awkward spot

[thorny token]

theorycrafting for now but the setup is very realistic

and well im playing the build rn just dont have all the pieces yet ofc

but the piece i was missing was mostly quiver effect jewels :d

bumps bonestorm to level 38 lol

[soft lake]

Level 38, Jesus

[thorny token]

and that is like 2.6k flat phys

[soft lake]

That's so much damage

That's hilarious

No way it stays intact

[torn jolt]

wanna replace this amulet , what stats do i aim for to improve my resistances , i have 20 exalts

[thorny token]

yea it probs wont, but alternative plan is to just do howa posion, even though thats also probs on chopping block :d

but osin being only 3 div is criminal

when all bosses have 0 chaos res

pretty much

[soft lake]

Yeah, I need to hurry up and pick an osin

It definitely feels undervalued right now

[thorny token]

same, spent too much time in acts with my brother so my main char is so poor xd

[soft lake]

Yeah, I've run several characters through the campaign and not spent much time in maps haha

[gray palm]

Which venom is best for a demon form infernalist?

[thorny token]

mana regen most likely

[static plinth]

Probably stun id say

Since mana regen si dead with infernal flame

[thorny token]

are you picking infernal flame on those builds?

if yes the sure just stun

[gray palm]

I don't do infernal flame

[static plinth]

No idea but its permanent so if you respec

[thorny token]

as inc ailment threshold is fairly useless in this game i feel

[gray palm]

and I do hexblast which is 146 mana per cast.

[soft lake]

Elemental Ailment Threshold is the hardest to get. But stun is maybe best for infernalist, especially with the low life pool stuff

[gray palm]

Element Ailment is stuff like freeze, shock, etc?

[soft lake]

Yeah. So Elemental Ailment Threshold makes it harder for enemies to apply those ailments to you

[gray palm]

I could do that and run a stun charm

[thorny token]

the only scary one is freeze really but the freezes arent tht long so even boot slot mostly solves that issue

[wicked leaf]

is the notable stormcharged essentially a more multiplier, or unlike poe, it's just increased?

[thorny token]

like when i had boots with 51% reduced freeze duration

i basically insta unfroze from box freeze

[gray palm]

Freeze is the one I hate the most

[thorny token]

and theres also somerly strong anti freeze passives on tree too

[somber orchid]

Try getting frozen in a t16

[gray palm]

So just mana then?

[thorny token]

well as i said there are very strong anti freeze tools already so you just use them instead

[somber orchid]

Charm only works so much until you’re out of charged but yeah, it’s not a stat to heavily focus on

[thorny token]

i dont mean charm, i mean tree nodes like ice breaker etc

that basically completely solve freeze by itself

[wraith egret]

Or just kill everything before it freezes you

[thorny token]

yea sure but that argument is pointless because then you dont need any defenses either do you :d

[soft lake]

Very wise

[wraith egret]

i mean thats the game

[gray palm]

How often do you frozen and such in higher tier maps?

[snow sierra]

sorry wars afk, none i dont need cast speed ^^

[thin basin]

What spell are you playing to not need cast speed

Spark feel so ass with just tempo alone

[snow sierra]

detonate death

boom

usefull to have the bosses stand still and then get your combo off

448 spirit as chrono...next upgrade gonna cost me 😦

[noble linden]

For armor nodes is it better to use soul core of tacati for that chaos res or citaqualotl for all elemental res?

[thin basin]

Thats fair

Got 9% from top left ele dmg on crit and arcane surge gem + the closeby surge nodes and still didnt feel good enough

[sly lava]

whats the best instilling on amulet, for gas arrow pathfinder?

[soft lake]

It depends on your tree

[thin basin]

Movespeed 🙂

[thorny token]

wither away is gonna be one of the best ones most of the time at least

assuming it doesnt lag ofc :d

whcih these effects sometimes do

[soft lake]

What skill do you use for Wither application by the way?

[thorny token]

bonestorm atm

but i used roa before

[soft lake]

Ahh, makes sense

Yeah, I'm on ROA at the moment

I need to try out the totem thing, too

I assume poison counts as a chaos debuff for it

[thorny token]

the totem feels super ass imo

and yea it does

but the totem has 1 base cast speed

[soft lake]

Ahh, yeah I can see that sucking then

[thorny token]

so its noticeable delay before it starts firing

[soft lake]

ROA is nice but the uptime is a bit of a pain

[thorny token]

if you have 2 spare sockets and 30 spare spirit then firestorm + srs withering touch is pretty nice :d

[soft lake]

Ooh, that could be interesting. I will have some spare spirit when I drop the poison herald

[thorny token]

before they nerfed burning invocation i was doing burning invocation on curse taht spawned srs

but rip now

but it was rly fun while it lasted

[soft lake]

SRS is untargetable right?

[thorny token]

yea but they still die

but you get 4 sec invulnerability as support gem now

so they are very reliable

last stand or whatever

[upper ivy]

Is it possible to corrupt a Grim Feast gem into costing 5 less spirit?

[soft lake]

So you'd want extra chaos, wither support, last stand and then probably duration

Hmm, I might try that

[thorny token]

yea. was runnign those 3 without duration and was pretty fine already

[soft lake]

I'll take that for a spin

Wither application is by far the most painful part of my gameplay at the moment

[snow sierra]

isnt eye of winter super good for wither stacks

if you let it do some chaos dmg

there was a good tech with that

[soft lake]

Yeah, EoW with unleash and the added chaos works I think

I need to try that as well

[thorny token]

its fine its just not continuous

whih is usually the biggest issue

[soft lake]

Yep, especially with Plasma Blast's wind up - that's a lot of time you can't be using other skills

So I definitely want something that's a little more passive, or that works for a longer duration

[cerulean girder]

Do we have anything like cast when dmg taken

[thorny token]

https://poe2db.tw/us/Cast_while_Channelling we need this asap :d

[soft lake]

Barrier Invocation if you're an ES build

[soft lake]

God yes please

[thorny token]

i assume it will come with templar shit

[snow sierra]

cast while channeling was so cool in poe1

i hope it works nice in 2

[soft lake]

I hope so. It's funny, POE1 has quite a lot of support for channelled skills but channelling feels like ass. POE2 has nowhere near enough support for channelling skills but they do actually feel great to use

I don't know if you've looked at it, by the way @thorny token, but the Maiming Strike notable is pretty good. You get a pretty solid amount of increased attack damage (43%), some movement speed, and it's right next to a jewel socket. Plus maim is nice for the slow

I was just looking at the tree you showed me yesterday and you don't have it, but yeah, I think it's a nice thing to try to squeeze in

[thorny token]

yea i know just a lot of points. also not great for gas arrow as gas arrow do not hits

plus poison gets maim here already

[soft lake]

That's the thing, it's generic attack damage rather than hit damage

Oh, but less chance to maim because it's on hit, yeah

[thorny token]

i do have pretty reliable maim now tho

switched my snipe setup to pin

[soft lake]

I do have this as well. But the increased damage is really noticeable when most of your damage on the tree comes from poison magnitude

[thorny token]

and with bursting plague it works so well

[soft lake]

Oh nice

Yeah, bursting plague feels great

[thorny token]

also bursting plague is spread with poison prolif

so its just funny support

[soft lake]

100% more build satisfaction

But yeah, the increased damage and movement speed are the real draw for me, the maim is just a bonus

[thorny token]

i get to solve the inc damage on quiver at least luckily so its not so bad for me

but yea i agree inc damage is normally very lacking on poison trees

[manic grail]

if im stacking a bunch of item rarity, and have the gravebind gloves equipped, if other people are getting all the kills does the rarity count for them as well?

[soft lake]

Ahh, that's the issue for me with crossbows - no quiver

[soft lake]

Yeah, it uses your stats

And your on-kill effects

[manic grail]

interesting

[soft lake]

I'm not sure if "assists" count for things like life on kill - that's something you'll have to test

It could screw people over if they're relying on life on kill for sustain if "assists" don't count

[still rock]

Does anyone know if "increased Effect of Auras from your Skills" applies to Blasphemy's curse effectiveness?

[soft lake]

It does

[still rock]

Sweet

Them removing the Aura tag from so much stuff makes that node ambiguous to me

[thorny token]

im surprised they even kept that mechanic in the game

[still rock]

Templar probably going to bring a host of new ones

[thorny token]

they even added the whole "presence" wording

[soft lake]

Is it just sceptre skills and Blasphemy with the aura tag now?

[thorny token]

alch boon and offering as well

looks like

[still rock]

It seems like they're moving Auras to be things that don't affect you

[soft lake]

Yeah, which I think is probably the most reasonable thing to do with them

[still rock]

Considering poe1 aura stacking yeah

And the new spirit system

[soft lake]

I totally forgot Alch Boon was a thing

[still rock]

How dumb is it for me to even attempt a Titan pizzablast igniter, im pathing it now but I have a feeling its going to suck

Is the ignite prolif any good

[soft lake]

The prolif is slow. I think 1.5s before it spreads

[delicate flower]

spark sorcs, how do you guys manage mapping with a high rarity % if you have a machination unique shield w/ rarity soul cores slotted? since that's a pretty big dps loss compared to just using something like a focus, no?

[soft lake]

But you can get ignited enemies to pop instead

[midnight geode]

where can i see how big the range is of each metamorphosis jewel? Wanna know before i buy one

[thorny token]

its possible the duration scales with actuial duration now tho, most of the intervals do

[spiral moth]

Can we see our stun treshold from somewhere?

[thorny token]

so you could technically lower the prolif delay maybe

[wraith egret]

about this big, im holding my hands up right now

[midnight geode]

[still rock]

Yeah, might try Near at Hand for that

[soft lake]

That would be interesting, although I'm not sure prolif is necessarily worth the investment right now

Ignite is a little rough in general, in fact

[mighty hound]

can anyone tell me why I cant pick this node it just says requirements not met
https://imgur.com/a/7zIggbW

[thin basin]

do you have any weapon set 1 points left

[mighty hound]

im not even sure how these work

[thin basin]

do you have any skill points left

[mighty hound]

yeah one

can see it in the corner there

[thin basin]

you can refund them if you dont know how they work

[soft lake]

The ones connected by the orange line means they are weapon set points that you've put in

[thin basin]

you need a 1 here to make it work on weapon set 1, if you do have 1 then looks like its bugged

[mighty hound]

oh yeah I have one

what are the requirements for this node?

its part of the build im following

[thin basin]

looks bugged, probably just refund them

[mighty hound]

i have multiple times

[soft lake]

Why are you putting the points in for only one weapon set?

[mighty hound]

throughout my guy lol

I only have 1 weapon set I dont use another one

[soft lake]

You don't need to use weapon set points if you only use one set

[wraith egret]

you cant spend a normal skill point after a weapon set point other wise when you swap weapons the node would be unconnected

[thin basin]

then refund them and click on the arrow to make it back to normal

[mighty hound]

Oh I see

Thank you!

I didnt realize there was special points with different colored lines for weapons

[thorny token]

weapon set points op

wep swap wither :d

[thin basin]

yea i do love free like 60% curse effect

[still rock]

https://maxroll.gg/poe2/planner/tonvo0vp

Rough draft

I feel like its just gunna be awful

But I miss pizzablasting

[wraith egret]

shock chance over chain?

[thin basin]

mana tempest 2 cast good enough for chains

[next arrow]

is it good?

[soft lake]

@mighty hound The way weapon set points work is that you can have one skill tree for when you're using one weapon and one skill tree for when you're using your other. So if you clear with a fire skill but kill bosses with a lightning skill, you might have a clearing weapon set when you take fire damage nodes and a bossing one where you take lightning ones, for instance. Or some bow passives with one and crossbow passives with the other set.

You can bind different skills to specific weapon sets like in my screenshot - so my Rain Of Arrows is only using weapon slot 1, and will then use my skill tree with the weapon set 1 passives applied to it.

It's very strong if you use it right, but how to best make use of it isn't immediately obvious for some builds

[wraith egret]

feel like there's a better 4 points spend then shock chance either way

[thin basin]

and im running shock for lc

[soft lake]

I need to do this once I get there

[thin basin]

and cast on shock

[lavish pine]

does anyone know how I can build the most item rarity and sustain the most damage

[wraith egret]

spark

[lavish pine]

im running spark.

when I mean I want rarity

I want A LOT

[wraith egret]

i have 510% on my spark

[lavish pine]

can I see ur build

[wraith egret]

No im gatekeeping

[lavish pine]

how often do you pull divines

oh

[wraith egret]

jk im not on the game

rn

[wraith egret]

every map or 2 ill get a raw drop maybe more

[still rock]

It's so funny how the meta keyphrases get thrown around and trickle down into questions on here

[thin basin]

ill prob drop them later

[wraith egret]

at minimum 1 every 2 maps

[lavish pine]

damn actually

thats insane maps dont take long to clear maybe 5 mins

[ruby lagoon]

Just started leveling a warrior, haven't given a ton of thought of a build but I'm thinking of playing a resounding shield build. I haven't seen any builds for it yet so I'm sure it's not going to be viable for end game bossing but seems like it could be fun 🙃 block all incoming blockable attacks/spells while also dealing AoE damage AND breaking enemy armor? Sounds like you can face tank pretty much anything. Thoughts?

[wraith egret]

i mean with multiple breaches and looting all the shards it takes a bit longer

[lavish pine]

How do you get a lot?

most items dont boost the item rarity that much

a lot of rarity on items

[ruby lagoon]

There's a shield that gives like 500% increase to sockets, that's what a lot of people are using for rarity

[still rock]

Also why those soul cores are a gazillion ex each

[ruby lagoon]

Yup lol

[lavish pine]

omen crest shield

?

[frosty arrow]

There's probably some specific setup required to make it really effective, because amount of damage and armor break is very small on that ability. You'll be banging on that shield for ages before you break armor of some of the thicker enemies, nevermind bosses. I'm playing a shielded warbringer right now, and my favorite thing is shield charge with tremors. You can position yourself in a way to charge into bosses in place, triggering multiple tremors in very rapid succession

[still rock]

I need to run all my 80 ultimatums before the rarity nerf

[lavish pine]

how would a sorc use a shield tho

[delicate flower]

is it worth going beyond 300+% rarity? or is it just diminishing returns past a certain point

[next arrow]

are my stats is good?

[wraith egret]

very much so

[ruby lagoon]

It scales with how much armor your shield gives as well, every 15 armor adds damage. Its also listed as a melee skill so I'm under the impressions that +% melee nodes increase its damage as well

[wraith egret]

but tbh i would wait to see if they nerf rarity when they come back to invest alot rn

im already deep

[still rock]

making rarity affect currency drops was a big silly billy mistake espec considering how much of it you can get

[ruby lagoon]

I'm thinking with a crazy high armor shield and enough %melee damage you'll be tank dealing a ton of damage. Also plan on pickup up increase area of effect so the range covers the screen lol

[lavish pine]

@wraith egret can you look at ur dms

[sour onyx]

Playing Fubguns LA and just ended up finding an Unset Ring that fixes my resistances / strength

So - debating on what to run for the extra skill.

Was playing with Escape Shot, but would there be something else that is kinda comfy?

[thin basin]

enough spirit for weap swap blink maybe?

[rare mulch]

Can Boneshatter still do a Heavy Stun if I use the Exploit Weakness support gem on it?

[thorny token]

100 1.396 * 1.396
200 1.886 * 1.351
300 2.122 * 1.125
400 2.338

this is approximate formula from poe1 where first value is rarity, second how many rare items dropped and change from prev value. if here its any similar then you can notice how going from 100 to 200 rarity is almost 3 times as good as going from 200 to 300

[still rock]

Does the fire exposure from Xoph's Blood get affected by exposure effectiveness? I'm assuming it does but will have to test later unless someone knows

[thorny token]

so you can go higher but you should not sacrifice power in your build after ~250 rarity imo

[rare mulch]

Can Boneshatter still do a Heavy Stun if I use the Exploit Weakness support gem on it?

[wraith egret]

played a few days at 300 and went to 500 and it was extremely noticeable dont think they are using the same formula

[spiral moth]

Why can you not combine these btw?

Unleash and Hourglass

[thorny token]

if they even changed the formula then thats even funnier, good job ggg :d

[wraith egret]

the fact that they brought currency upteiring with rarity is really funny, when it was purposely taken out of poe 1

[still rock]

tbh they never shouldve put rarity on gear if their intention was to have it affect currency

im fine with that if theres no sources from gear

[thin basin]

@snow sierra what cd are you using for the 33% thing? just freeze? wouldnt the 1/3 cast speed be better

[still rock]

Because then it rewards good map juicing rather than making it feel like shit to play a build that cant run 8 rares with rarity

[turbid badge]

What some good uniques for sorcerer?

[snow sierra]

maybe ? the cast speed is just anyoing tho

i dont like that my char plays diffrent 1/3 of the time

maybe i would take it if i played a spamm caster but doubt it

[thorny token]

yea especially when they finally also decided to just delete quant in poe1 just recently becase MF was so big issue

its almost like the teams between the 2 games just dont talk to each other at all

idk

[snow sierra]

seems to me poe2 is based on a scuffed version of poe1 where quant was still and and armour shit ^^

[wraith egret]

or they wanted a way to farm raw currency bc they dont have the mechanics yet to help with it

[thin basin]

forgor about quant

[still rock]

This and the fact that it looks like theyre using the old armour formula makes me really upset that what we thought was them testing fixing things in PoE1 wasn't actually the case and they've been using a 4 year old split of PoE1 to develop this game (without implementing the things they've improved on in PoE1) and now the exact same problems are occuring

[wraith egret]

saying grim untouched makes this all invalid

[thin basin]

es losing 50% i say its fair unless u wanna make it even lower

[snow sierra]

well i belive es stays like that

[thorny token]

well another option is to just not make stuff like tujen completely useless like hes now lul but yea maybe

[snow sierra]

and grim feast and conversion items get gutted

[dawn heath]

it's the same as ward in last epoch. The "harder to leech but higher anti one shot" defense is stronger since the game has infinitely scaling damage on mobs

[hasty nebula]

Is there an ideal item to to use a chance orb on? One that has maybe good/consistent outcomes and is worth lots?

[thorny token]

bonestorm untouched we safe ez

[wraith egret]

yeah expedition is kinda dead in the water rn

[thin basin]

i havent seen reddit posts about it so when we do ill add it

[quartz ferry]

imma just ask quick question

is maxhp%/s regen not included in this stat?
so does that mean maxhp%/s does not benefit from increased life regeneration rate and increased life recovery rate?

[delicate flower]

thank you!

[snow sierra]

And btw 10k ES is not the top end by far, most just push it harder cause not needed, in my test build i had 15k ES and i bet i could get to over 20k easly

[hasty nebula]

It is included and reflected. Why do you not think it is?

[thorny token]

see also hues reply above its possible the formula changed

[snow sierra]

The 15k where without a focus btw

so 30k grim feast

[thorny token]

yea 10k es is pretty low with how much you can get :d

[snow sierra]

well only possible because of 2 conversion items ofc

[thorny token]

also demon form has bunch of snapshot bugs so there its probably even funnier

[snow sierra]

the amulett and ghostwrithe

[quartz ferry]

cuz im swapping boots with 3.9hp/s and 57maxhp
and it switched by 4.6life/s

while

[twilit obsidian]

anyone know that unique helmet that converts portion of your health into energy shield

[quartz ferry]

ah.

why am i asking

scratch that

have a nice day

[hasty nebula]

This seems right so far

[twilit obsidian]

YES THANKS

[delicate flower]

oh i see

[quartz ferry]

i forgot i could just take off equipment totally instead of swapping them around. mb

[delicate flower]

it does seem like investing into rarity is a pretty huge investment orb-wise, would you say that 250% is a good time to stop like you mentioned earlier?

[snow sierra]

with this helm you could easly hit like 25k ES before grim feast , thats absolutly useless ofc

[delicate flower]

even the soul cores alone are rlly expensive

[hasty nebula]

I’ve tested it. You can easily see it by investing in the nodes k. The tree and see how it changes. If you hold shift over a life regen node it gives a crazy number i havent been able to make sense of but they are accurately reflected in That window you screenshotted.

[delicate flower]

~16 divine orbs for the shield, gloves, and boots soul core

[wraith egret]

anything is better then none work your way up dont have to shoot for the moon first go

[snow sierra]

doubt its still worth it to invest in rarity so heavly

[wraith egret]

and that

[snow sierra]

better nerf yourself abit and do some cheaper rarity

[wraith egret]

rarity could get slammed in a few days

we dont know

[snow sierra]

ye

[delicate flower]

yeah that's fair, i got rarity as one of the lines on a bunch of my gear so i'm sitting at like ~110% atm without any soul core or shield

i can invest and potentially push it up to like ~300% but it seems rocky to do so at the moment..

[snow sierra]

maybe try to get 150%-200% that seems to be the sweetspot

heard that atleast from a few sources now

[delicate flower]

i'll try to do 150-200%, seems fairly realistic

[snow sierra]

that did rarity test up to 400% on a char

map rarity and towers are huge too

like had 600% rarity maps

[soft lake]

I'm not stacking rarity so I have no idea about this, but do we know if killing enemies with DOT counts for rarity? I would hope it would, but there was a long period in POE1 where it didn't...

I ask because shocked enemies dying to my poison don't trigger my Innervate buff, so I'm wondering if there's something to do with DOT not giving kill credit in the correct way

[thorny token]

well map rarity is still multiplicative with player rarity right

[wraith egret]

rolling for quant once you have rarity gear is crazy good

divs drop like hotcakes on 150+ quant maps with my rarity

[snow sierra]

No clue just mentioning that because alot of ppl seem not to look what they throw into towers

I had only one div drop 😦

so maybe ill should try to go for quant

[wraith egret]

quant on breach tablets

[thorny token]

man surely they did not brought this back just to solve the dot kill attribution "issue" from proxies :d

[wraith egret]

you can pay like 10 ex for decent ones

worth it in the end

[thorny token]

even though with all the stuff they did in poe2

i wouldnt even be surprised

[snow sierra]

Ill try that when my trial fun is over^^

i enjoy farming trials atm kinda alot

[hasty nebula]

What is rarity gear? How much should one have?

[thorny token]

but yea havent tested that personally

[soft lake]

I really hope not, but there are quite a few things in POE2 that feel like they forked POE1 in 2019 so it could have been overlooked I guess

I can say for sure enemies dying to poison doesn't trigger Innervate, but not much beyond that yet

[snow sierra]

lol exactly that

sorry guys the patches didnt make it into the code base

so its all the same again

[gray palm]

Is there a way to change phyiscal damage into chaos?

[snow sierra]

taken or done ?

[gray palm]

Done, want to add bonestorm to my hexblast build

[thorny token]

hmm actually wouldnt this be similar to what we have in poe1 even now

[thin basin]

another bonestorm enjoyer

[thorny token]

like item rarity support do not works on poison builds even in poe1

[gray palm]

Seems insane for bosses

[snow sierra]

No clue you can add chaos dmg to it with the scepter and minions

[gray palm]

can't use weapons, demon form

[thorny token]

or well, it do not counts from kills from prolif at least

[snow sierra]

outch

[thorny token]

e.g item rarity support was unusable on viper strike builds

etc

[soft lake]

Oh really, I was sure they fixed that a few years ago

It looks like poison kills don't count for triggering Herald Of Thunder either, by the way

[thorny token]

well hot states killed with attack damage so i think that makes sense at least

[soft lake]

True, I guess I would have expected the poison to retain the attack tag but it makes sense that it doesn't matter once it's been applied

[gray palm]

You think the ming's rings I have on would count? It does say 30% extra chaos damage

[snow sierra]

it should

[broken hemlock]

Is there a PoE 2 path of building already available? I notice that Ghazzy posted his most recent frost minions build as a pastbin string

oh nm that was just a shared notepad

[nimble sun]

Guys can i use 2 cast on freeze at the same time? I can't check on game right now

[static plinth]

Unleash cannot support skills with a cooldown, Hourglass adds a cooldown

[median kraken]

Yes

[inner crater]

This is probably an impossible number ot figure out but just in case someone already knows it, anyone know how much evasion I should be aiming for in order to get 70%+ with acrobatics? And just to throw another wrench into it, I will have 4 stacks of wind dancer.

Currently without I have 9200, which brings me pre acrobatics to 78% and post to 46% at 2800

[rare mulch]

What are Blessings?

Is it like shrines?

[soft lake]

All the info you need is written there

[rare mulch]

Or is it just a heal every 11.1 seconds?

[soft lake]

It's just a buff

[rare mulch]

Ok, thank you.

[dusk fractal]

level 55 invoker monk, looking for better gear, any recommendations on what/where to farm?

[finite crystal]

what are some build ideas for things that are pretty new/unique to poe2? i'm feeling like leveling a new character but i'm stuck deciding what to roll

i have an invoker monk so not that please lol

[tidal copper]

Crossbows?

There was a bleed crossbow blood witch

That looked fun

[thorny token]

crossbows are def very fun

idk about bleed crossbow that sounds kinda bad

[finite crystal]

xbows look fun yeah

[thorny token]

but just regular crossbow builds are great

[crisp star]

does burning ground scale with any damage modifier or is it's damage similar to how poison scales with the hit's damage?

[soft lake]

Can vouch for crossbows, they feel great

[finite crystal]

what are some fun/strong builds to look at for crossbows? I'm unfamiliar with the landscape there. any fun lightning memes?

[thorny token]

galvanic + shockburst/plasma with electorcute is what im playing on my deadeye

very fun perma cc on everything

[tidal copper]

Blood witch will bleed with elemental DMG
Get baited into xbow bleed it'll be good

[thorny token]

spends next 3 hours trying to cap bleed chance :d

[soft lake]

It will say something like "ignites as if hitting for # - # damage". So you just scale that number and the burning ground DPS will scale with it

[finite crystal]

oh yeah i guess what asccendancy for xbow too, i haven't done ranger stuff in poe1 either so that could be new enough for me

[thorny token]

deadeye is probs best due to how crossbows work for bunch of crossbow skills

[crisp star]

i see. so i guess fire damage mods and general damage mods are the way to go then

[thorny token]

as crossbow skills beahve like barrages with projectiles by default

[tidal copper]

Bleed chance gem has been buffed up to 50% travelling aside it's not bad
Surely it works now it's not bait

[soft lake]

Yep

Plus ignite damage stuff, of course

[finite crystal]

so galvanic + shockburst/plasma crossbow deadeye sounds right up my alley 🙂

[crisp star]

got it thx

[lone wave]

is there any way to have some manual control over which persistents turn off when switching to a weapon set with less spirit

[thorny token]

shockburst is more normal setup but i like plasma more and it allows you to electorcute bosses as well so its more fune :d

would recommend trying both (or just using both but regular setup is like galvanic clear, shockburst + stormcaller for single target, stormcaller to guarantee shock for shockburst on boss)

[soft lake]

The ascendancy depends a little. I'm doing poison xbow on Pathfinder. The extra passive points are nice because poison is pretty point starved, the reduced movement penalty is really, really nice for Plasma Blast because it has such a long wind up time, and free poison prolif saves a bit of spirit, I guess.

If you're not poison, Deadeye is better (although missing the reduced movement penalty for Plasma Blast sucks a little)

[thorny token]

i was testing a bit the ms penalty stuff

[finite crystal]

getting kitoko's on my invoker top perma electrocute things is the very best fun i've had in poe. so i'm hype to try it out in xbow land too

[thorny token]

and honestly just running mobility + momentum is good enough

for plasma

PF on top did not made that big of a difference when i tried

[soft lake]

I want those and the ascendancy notable, though!

I still need to see how PCoc compares to Galvanic for clear, too

[next arrow]

are my stats good?

[obtuse owl]

does pain offering affect SRS?

[thorny token]

yes

[pale cloak]

guys I have about 1 div and 50 ex and am LA deadeye... I feel a bit squishy rn, what are my best options? I am running 60% evasion with acrobatics

[pearl sluice]

Summons needs all possible buffs and nodes? Or is perfectly possible to use another form of damage and summons?

[thorny token]

go hybrid

[pearl sluice]

All possible buffs* and nodes

[thorny token]

your build will be strongest if you focus on one thing

so doing summons and some other admage as side thing is not rly ideal

and you will be weaker than people who just focus on one

[pale cloak]

worth it even if we know its gonna get the nerf hammer soon?

[thorny token]

yes, i doubt hybrid builds will get hit as much as pure es builds

you just grab pure es helmet hybrid chest subterfuge and spectral ward

and you are done

[vocal topaz]

whats hte best witchhunter build atm for mapping/bosses? saw that gas grenades was decent but the shockblast stuff w/ galvanic looked nuts

not sure if galv/shock scales harder into end game than gas or if they're just preference

[hasty nebula]

Does this Mahuxotl's Machination Omen Crest Shield increase the effect of soul cores socketed i. The shield itself or all soul cores in all gear?

[pale cloak]

bet bet, working my way towards that now

im assuming setup is with grim dawn? i feel like that will be nerfed but meh

[fresh iris]

hey guys is there a easy way to work out which dps is better on a normal bow and a dualstring bow with the extra projectile?

[gray palm]

Why do I have 17 and not 15? I have only assigned 15 points in my skill tree

[soft lake]

17 what?

[gray palm]

17 strength and dex

I need strength to be exactly 15 no more, no less.

[soft lake]

What for?

[gray palm]

Need to have a low max health as I can for demon form

[soft lake]

Well you start with 7 strength and dex on witch

[gray palm]

It angers me that it's 7.

[soft lake]

I don't think that tiny amount of strength is going to have a huge impact on your build, though

[static plinth]

Thats 8 life, if you get down to 208 Demon form does not take any extra life

[soft lake]

Oh, why is 208 a threshold?

[gray palm]

200 is the lowest life I can get

[static plinth]

200 is the treshhold

Cuz 0.5% with 200 life is the minimum of 1 damage per stack

[gray palm]

Minimum damage for demon form stack is 1

[soft lake]

Ah

[static plinth]

But 208 should round down to 1 anyway, i think

[frigid current]

what does it do?

[earnest onyx]

adds str req of gear to armor

[gentle fern]

is corrosion supporting skill any good?

[finite crystal]

if your boots require 80 strength to wear, you get 80 extra armour

[earnest onyx]

I was looking at Tuna's spark archmage guide on maxroll and unless I'm misunderstanding, he takes a lot of ES on the tree + everlasting gaze that does literally nothing. (CI+EB+MOM) am I missing something?

[balmy fable]

@thorny token am i crazy or is point blank WAY better than far shot w/ how much stuff sticks to you + the spread on things like rapid shot

[soft lake]

I think, because of how conversion works, you just get it as unconverted ES over your life with that amulet

[earnest onyx]

if everlasting gaze works on that setup, that seems bugged.

[earnest onyx]

EB kills it

you have no es on your life

just mana

[soft lake]

I believe that's not the case

[earnest onyx]

like you don't have ES at all

[soft lake]

Because it can't get double converted

[earnest onyx]

Im playing it rn

[thorny token]

yes point blank is way better its not even close

[earnest onyx]

😆

[thorny token]

not only because of stuff sticking to you

[earnest onyx]

I will test everlasting then

[thorny token]

but simply because point blank is 3m range

[soft lake]

How do your stats change when you equip it?

[thorny token]

until it starts falling off

on deadeye

[earnest onyx]

that seems broken if true

[thorny token]

so like

its just active so much

[earnest onyx]

I had %es on tree and it didn't do shit

I'll go buy a copy of the ammy and see if I'm just being stupid.

[soft lake]

Yeah, that's because %ES applies post conversion

[thorny token]

yea thats how it works

as the conversion all applies at same time

[soft lake]

Yeah, no double conversion

[earnest onyx]

that seems busted

[soft lake]

So the ES can't be converted back to mana

[thorny token]

it is busted yes

[soft lake]

Is electrocute actually worth it by the way? @thorny token

You said you're using on Plasma Blast, right?

[thorny token]

yes

[finite crystal]

big yes

[earnest onyx]

its lightning freeze isn't it?

[thorny token]

i basically look into direction of mobs

and mobs are stunned

[earnest onyx]

I'll have to put that in my spark

[soft lake]

You're plasma blasting mobs?!

[thorny token]

boss also always gets cced by my first plasma blast

[thorny token]

no they get cced from galvanic instantly :d

[soft lake]

Ahh

What are you using to electrocute? The gloves?

[thorny token]

yea

but i also click bunch of electorcute stuff, but that isnt needed for clear pretty sure

just for bosses

[soft lake]

Ahh, I've got the all damage can poison gloves unfortunately. I might see how the support gem feels on Galvanic, though

Not sure if I've scaled hit damage quite enough for it to work instantly, I'll have to see

[thorny token]

mobs have really low ailment thresholds so it will stll probs work

like i just pin everything (including rares) with 6 points into pin and boots just from bursting plague

[balmy fable]

yeah okay i need to respec out of far shot lul

[manic birch]

Is there anyone that's an ice strike monk?

[soft lake]

What skill are you pinning with?

[thorny token]

gas arrow

well bursting plague on gas arrow

[soft lake]

Ahh, so it is literally just the bursting plague then

[thorny token]

yea

[balmy fable]

hows that build going beam

[thorny token]

pretty good

managed to ramp the theoretical damage to 112M

as windowhail can go to 305%

so that means lvl 39 bonestorm

and for some reason i havent noticed this before bonestorm gets 20% more flat to debuff per level :d

even at 38

kinda dumb

[soft lake]

It's Vine Arrow scaling all over again

[thorny token]

yea

well vine arrow was 40% lul

even crazier

[soft lake]

I still can't believe they shipped it like that

[thorny token]

yea idk. they probs noticed the damage was too shit but did not wanted to give better damage early

so just upped per level scaling and then kinda did not realized what will happen :d

[balmy fable]

that's quite a bit

[frigid current]

still doesnt understand, it should be minus not plus XD

or if u want to equi int armor it makes it possible for str build?

[balmy fable]

I figured it was a matter of time before widowhail broke something lmao

[earnest onyx]

it says added to?

[thorny token]

widhowhail isnt even that improtant part ofit

[balmy fable]

wait so ur just applyign giga poison with bonestorm? LMAO

[thorny token]

i only lose 2 levels if i use +5 proj bow instead

[frigid current]

so you have higher requirements to fulfill to equit something ?XD

[earnest onyx]

if a piece of gear requires strength (say 100) you get 100 flat armor

[thorny token]

nah i am only using bonestorm debuff

[balmy fable]

So ur just using gas arrow for everything, or diff skill for bossing?

[earnest onyx]

idk how to simplify it more than that

[thorny token]

im applying giga poison with snipe :d

[balmy fable]

oh right it adds attack damage lul

okay yeah

[thorny token]

with guaranteed crit and 5 frenzy barrage

[balmy fable]

you just made scourge arrow at home LMAO

[thorny token]

so 8 shots at once

yea pretty much lul

i can pretend im playing SA lets go

[frigid current]

oh armor by armor, not chest armor nvm

sry

[thorny token]

even though plasma blast is closer to SA than snipe

[balmy fable]

so u get 8 snipes at once? LUL

[thorny token]

so i still like plasma blast more

[thorny token]

yea

[soft lake]

I wish I could use Barrage with Plasma Blast

[balmy fable]

whats ur max poison stacks

[soft lake]

Imagine

[thorny token]

8 :d

[balmy fable]

lmao thats silly

[thorny token]

or if there were at least more +proj sources for crossbows

just scattershot is kinda lame

[balmy fable]

im writing this down so i can shamelessly steal ur build later

[thorny token]

i saw arrow nova support on poedb btw

so maybe we will get it

from huntress maybe?

well its not called arrow nova but something else i forgot

[soft lake]

Yeah, it would be nice. I assume Deadeye's extra proj works, too

But obviously I'm PF so I can't get that

[thorny token]

yea it does

but doesnt work well with poison as thees no way to get 4th poison stack on deadeye i realized lul

[balmy fable]

So are u actually using plasma blast or just for cc

[soft lake]

I'm Plasma Blastin', personally

As a poison build

[balmy fable]

using the gloves i assume

[soft lake]

Yeah

[balmy fable]

hm

[soft lake]

Well, the poison gloves

[balmy fable]

im gonna have to mess with this stuff

at some point

you guys have piqued my interest

[thorny token]

i have 2 chars, well 3. my deadeye is just hit plasma blast but im leveling that with by brother so its in acts, and my PF is snipe + gas arrow poison build

[soft lake]

Crossbows just feel so good in general

[random sonnet]

almost at the 90% for all 3, so close 😦

[thorny token]

i would def recommend plasma blasttho its super fun

i would also recommend bonestorm with it :d

[balmy fable]

TBH i could put it on my deadeye

if i felt like it

[thorny token]

i just throw around my widowhail to my deadeye when im playing with my brother

[balmy fable]

since im generic scaling

[thorny token]

its very funny

i dont even do shit when we are killing bosses

i just bonestorm something and he one shots it with hammer

[balmy fable]

idk can u clear with plasma blast tho

prob a bit clunky

since it has to hit walls

[thorny token]

you cant

but galvanic is waht you use for clear

great skill too

[soft lake]

Nah, it's horrible for clear. Galvanic Shards for clear

[balmy fable]

okay yeah fair

[soft lake]

Yeah, Galvanic with Fork support

[balmy fable]

ill have to see

[soft lake]

Top tier

[balmy fable]

if i get bored of siege cascade

ill swap to that setup

[thorny token]

also deadeye has funny thing with channeled skills

you can just spam click them to stack tailwind

[balmy fable]

for now my plan is siege cascade + rapid shot

[thorny token]

while moving :d

[balmy fable]

with tailwind

[balmy fable]

wtf lmao

[restive flame]

here i revived ice sorc https://streamable.com/fdnorq

[balmy fable]

i assume it doesnt work if u hold it down tho

[thorny token]

nop

but spam clicking is plenty t just prepare it :d

[soft lake]

How's Siege Cascade feeling? I've not tried it still

[dull cargo]

HEY HAS ANYONE been experiencing ur character committed sucides and it just dies and their nothing that hits u

[balmy fable]

not sure, havent gotten to that level yet

leveling slowly

gonna try to get to it tn tho

i will say rapid shot feels very very smooth on bosses

very high damage, quick enough reload, etc

only downside is it has spread

so i gotta swap from far shot to PB

[thorny token]

rapid shot + fresh clip is very funny

[soft lake]

Ahh. I should just give it a go at some point and see for myself

[thorny token]

casual 90% more damage support

[balmy fable]

yeah im doing that lul

its almost too broken not to use

[balmy fable]

ill take a video once im there

gonna be a bit before my build is online fully though, need a divine to get the ring

[restive flame]

don't do armor its totally useless thing

[random sonnet]

im not

[balmy fable]

the only issue i forsee is that i think enemies can move out of the way between the targetting and drop but im not 100% sure, have to experiment with it

maybe ill use faster proj

[thorny token]

can always just frie it multiple times right

[blissful stratus]

What makes a physical weapon good? I'm switching to a HotG build and want to buy my character some items, but I've never played a weapon hit based build before and know nothing about weapon scaling

[balmy fable]

oh yeah

[thorny token]

theres that crossbow implicit for loading extra bolt too

[balmy fable]

i just have to experiment to see what feels best

[thorny token]

runes

[rose temple]

how many divines u think this is worth?

[thorny token]

the flat ele runes are garbage compared to phys ones so phys weapons just end up being way better

[balmy fable]

flat ele runes are better for leveling i think, but fall off hard later

[thorny token]

yea

[restive flame]

i won't pay even 1ex lmao cuz there + no levels

[thorny token]

• levels do not matter as much for attacks

its very good bow tho

but thisis also not price check channel

[static plinth]

Vendor trash

[thorny token]

yes you wont read channel description

lul

[restive flame]

😄

[glad granite]

which build guide is best for stormweaver spark?

[restive flame]

Tbh, I have a friend who cried for two weeks straight in the Discord channel... I got so tired of it, he finally switched classes from Monk, lol. People make builds and publish them as 'End Game,' but in reality, after T\ier 10+ maps, you just die in one hit and can’t progress at all. Sad life. 😄

[thorny token]

there are def a lot of very bad builds out there so yea just gotta find someone thats actually knowledgeable and not just making random vids and guides

[thorny token]

captainlances setup should be solid at least

i disagree with few of the choices there but it doesnt matter that much for spark

[woeful sundial]

did my first trade for a new bow early maps. doubled my DPS 🤡 . not sure how i feel about the trade meta. did i earn that? doesnt feel like it

[thorny token]

well tell them to add actual crafting to the game first

[soft lake]

I don't disagree at all. Trade is my least favourite aspect of POE

But yeah, it needs crafting

[thorny token]

as atm gear is not "earned" :d

you just find shit on ground exalt slam it wow

[soft lake]

I would love to see POE2 balanced around hardcore SSF, personally

[woeful sundial]

yeah lol. kinda takes away from the feeling of accomplishment

[thorny token]

it kinda is already with the pseudo hc mechanics

well not for ssf for sure

but for hc a bit

this game is even less balanced for ssf than poe1 atm

[soft lake]

Hardcore because if you play well you should be able to survive any situation. SSF because finding/making your own gear is just so much more satisfying than trading for it

[soft lake]

Yeah, I like that change personally

[bronze carbon]

do you run splinter, brutality or anything on it, or just for the debuff? also cwc would be so nice for it

[soft lake]

But yeah, I can't imagine playing SSF in POE2 right now

[thorny token]

just debuff, so bonestorm scattershot (and as im poison build withering touch)

scattershot is basically x2.4 cast speed multi for bonestorm so its nice

[bronze carbon]

is it silly to try it with ice shot? 😄

[thorny token]

on plasma blast build i run arcane tempo instead of scattershot as i have scattershot elsewhere

[thorny token]

depends, the debuff has limited amount of stacks it applies at once

for me its usually around 10 or so

so ideally you want skill that do not hits that much but hits hard

[lone wave]

After running Painter's Servant and all 3 element cast on skills I can readily conclude cast on ignite is the worst of the trio

[jagged thunder]

do i get mana with mana on kill from minion kills?

[thorny token]

so its rly bad for something like rod

for example

[bronze carbon]

ah, hence snipe

[thorny token]

yea

[bronze carbon]

hmmmm

[thorny token]

its probs palayble with the uh

whats its name the cold bow skill

[bronze carbon]

stuff to think on, ty 😄

[thorny token]

freezing salvo

[bronze carbon]

ah yeah

[median kraken]

The worst of the three ailments or the worst of the triggers? Can't conclude that for the triggers bad on that because ignite generates more energy based on the size of the ignite, so a Painter's servant build will get way less CoI energy than a dedicated cast on ignite build

[bronze carbon]

although that's also multi hits, but they do hit hard

[median kraken]

Not saying CoI is good, but that's a flawed test

[thorny token]

yea with savo the gameplay would be to just debuff and insta consume all the debuffs

with the salvo

[bronze carbon]

I like it, ty lol

[strange thicket]

ok, so, I've played up to A2 as a warrior and decided I don't like it

I have a little gold and a little currency saved up

[thorny token]

even with splash mace?

[strange thicket]

recommend me a build that feels good to play?

[thorny token]

because splash mace warrior is fun

[strange thicket]

splash mace?

[thorny token]

yea the implict on mace that says that your strikes splash in 1.8 radius

you can make it almost full screen very easily

so you right click and everything around dies pretty fun imo

and then hammer/perfect strike everything that survives

[strange thicket]

mmm

what's it called?

also can I even get it at like

level 20

[thorny token]

i think so

let me check

lvl 22 is min level for the lowest tier base with that implicit

higher tier bases are then 51 and 78

[strange thicket]

hmm, neat

thanks

I'll give it a bit longer than

[thorny token]

i converted my brothers build to it in acts he liked it a lot at least

and it do not rly requires anything other than the mace

[strange thicket]

but my original question still stands; what's a build that feels good to play throughout?