2┃build-planning

[wet mango]

(if it did work in Meta gems, that'd be a bug)

[thorny token]

well leveling gear is to go through campaign faster so good leveling gear absolutely matters, idk if i would grab rarity on it

the skills you use yourself is ignored on a lot of stuff atm

i can link second wind to decompose for example lul

i think that keyword just doesnt rly work properly atm

[tulip zenith]

Do you guys think stormweaver is the best for MF?

[wet mango]

I couldn't link herald of ice to expanse so I just assumed it was properly implemented lul

[thorny token]

i was able to link war banner to it even though ui did not liked it at first :d

[frosty arrow]

If I deal enough damage to skip boss phases I'm absolutely grabbing rarity. Because how much faster it will get

[thorny token]

well most of campaign is walking from place to place so im sure there is something you can find

[frosty arrow]

Yes, move speed. Why does the game have so little move speed lol. I'd kill for a move speed utility flask

[pseudo anvil]

is there a way to check how much rarity you have?

like as a stat

[vagrant imp]

Every skill will tell you how much rarity it gives on enemy kill in the drop-down in the skill tab.

[thorny token]

well not only move speed but attack speed as well, or aoe as you still have to kill mobs on the way to not waste xp

[pseudo anvil]

@chase thank you

[thorny token]

but yea would be nice if ms was more accessible. i had this idea before for campaign reruns but i doubt we get anuything like that

[frosty arrow]

You can come up with a one or two button nuke on most leveling builds. Things like explosion on armor break, stun, etc. Clear is no issue

[thorny token]

but alva is time traveller so she could just time travel back and give players ms/damage aura for second chrs

would be nice

[frosty arrow]

Especially if you already have endgame characters it's not hard to start new character with 4 slot gems and such, giving you massive power boost

[night verge]

Hey, i am a a level 26 monk and am finding that while i do amazing damage, i have very limited survivability, any tips on how to get a bit more health?

[steady gate]

playing an ice sorceress and all I do is use comet and ice wall to clear everything. When do people use eye of winter and frostbolt once comet is unlocked? Am I missing something?

[vagrant imp]

Based on my fresh campaign runs and runs with twink gear I don't think campaign is all that slow

[frosty arrow]

Easiest way to be more survivable on a monk is evasion and energy shield. But there's really only two easy ways to get health. More strength and +health on gear

[thorny token]

only survivability you need at that point is resists

[night verge]

thanks, dont know much about monks so am just trying to figure out the best way to get tanky, thanks for the help

[thorny token]

or only survivability thats worth investing into

[night verge]

what is resists

[thorny token]

elemental resistances

you get those from gear

[night verge]

oh ok

cool ty

[tulip zenith]

Do you guys think stormweaver is the best for MF?

[frosty arrow]

Tbh on like my first two characters it's a slog. Act 3 just never fucking ends, the maps are waay too big IMO. But once you amass some good midlevel gear you can dress your new characters to blast through campaign

[vagrant imp]

Flat life/strength goes a long way in campaign as well

[inner pike]

does anyone have a decent 2h+2h or 1h+1h build for warrior?

i tried to self cook but was a disaster

[vagrant imp]

Idk I'm slowly learning layouts and even act 3 is ok (besides Azak bog, I do NOT understand that place.)

[thorny token]

learning the zones only does so much when they are so big for no reason

[twin tide]

anyone know the 4 best ice strikes sup gems?

[vagrant imp]

I mean I'm not saying improvements can't be made I'm just saying campaign rerun time feels reasonable and learnable to me.

[wild stirrup]

So is incinerate just kind of garbage

Atleast at low level?

[plain badger]

dude same, it always take me a full clear to find the boss

[wild stirrup]

Wanted to do fire sorceress but none of the fire spells are really spammable yet

[vagrant imp]

It's OK with some ignite investment but hardly ever better than that early on

[frosty arrow]

Yeah, once you recognize the patterns getting to correct end of the map first try becomes easier

[versed beacon]

hi guys

I was trying to setup my Weapon Set 1 & 2 Passives. but it keeps coming back to the previous setup. any clue what's happening?

[vagrant imp]

Yeah I've been levelling a fire sorc, it's unideal

[wild stirrup]

Fusillade seems like it might be fine? It’s really hard to decide on since it’s such funky casting

[vagrant imp]

I did fusillade single target and incinerate trash clear, realistically spark is just better then switch to fire later with fireball ice wall or something.

[frosty arrow]

The bog is easy to understand. No matter where you go the witch boss will be in the last place you didn't check I'm convinced the game is messing with you on this one. I never found her quickly

[ebon gulch]

does any1 know how elemental equilibrium works if my attack deals all 3 elements? does it even work at all?

[uncut patrol]

Can I not run support gem of the same kind on different skills, It keeps saying im already using the support gem even though it's for a different skill

[wild stirrup]

Incinerate seemed like it would maybe be decent for bosses but horrendous for clear

[wild stirrup]

You cannot

[vagrant imp]

Foreal, I thought apex of filth was messed up but I kinda get it now, the bog hell nah.

[frosty arrow]

You can If you're gemling, or have that one unique. Otherwise one support gem per character

[vagrant imp]

I saw an incinerate pathfinder with the movespeed while casting notable "zooming" (as much as incinerate can)

[wild stirrup]

I mean evrn jjst going off of damage seemed really bad

Compare to my other options

[uncut patrol]

whats a gemling and how i know what skill is unique? @frosty arrow

[frosty arrow]

Gemling is one of the ascension paths for mercenary. He can allow the use of the same support gem twice. And there's a unique item that can do it. But even then it only allows duplicating one gem

[vagrant imp]

Yeah it's a weird spell, ideally you would just use it for big time exposure while something else does the work, a cast on ignite type setup or maybe minions.

[uncut umbra]

Is this the theoretical max for minions (storm mages):
MH: corrupted Trenchtimbre +4
OH: Sceptre +5
Neck: +3
Helm: +2
Ring: Levinstone x2 +2
Jewel: Prism of belief +3
Asc: Gemling +1
Support Gems: +2 (Lightning + minion)
Gem: corrupted level 21
Total: 21+2+1+3+2+2+3+5+4 = 43

Any other lightning to all skill or minion skill level sources I'm missing?

[wind jetty]

slap in fiery death and it fixes that issue

[vagrant imp]

Ok how does fiery death work? I put it on my solar orb which guarantees ignite, but it has NEVER procced

[wild stirrup]

Cast on stuff is only good for trigger big shit right? It’d be cool if it scaled with mana cost so you could use it to trigger a ton of fusillades automatically lol

[wild stirrup]

My damage was horrendous though

[vagrant imp]

What else were you running with it? And did you have any ignite magnitude?

Magnitude is a big deal

[wind jetty]

I only had the 15% faster burn

[wild stirrup]

I’m like very low level so

[wind jetty]

360 no scope incinerate is so fun

put in fiery death for clear and swap it out for exposure for bossing

[wild stirrup]

Should I give incinerate more of a shot? What’s like the minimum investment to make it decent?

[vagrant imp]

Low level with controlled destruction and fire... Whatever the one that reduces the other elements is called felt like pretty good trash clear to me, started falling off about halfway A2

[wild stirrup]

Will check it out more tomorrow ig

[wind jetty]

all you need is Burnout and Cremation

incinerate is also good with blasphemy with temp chains

[wild stirrup]

That’s like a bit away for me mm

I’ll look more tomorrow

[leaden salmon]

Anyone runniing Chrono Aurabot?

[wind jetty]

how many auras

[wild stirrup]

Friend just dropped this lmaooooo

[leaden salmon]

? Im asking cause I wanna build an Aura/Cursebot on Chronomancer.

[vagrant imp]

Issue is it's stuck at level 5. Very good for single target while levelling though.

[marsh sparrow]

hi guys

[wind jetty]

its doable for sure

[marsh sparrow]

im struggling to put this gem into its socket

just wont work

is respec bugged or am i being stupid

[leaden salmon]

No shit :d

[wind jetty]

IT JUST WORKS

[leaden salmon]

This channel is called build planning. Im asking cause Im looking for someone who has already done it. To pick their brain.

You are just answering to answer 😄

[vagrant imp]

It's doable for sure

[leaden salmon]

I guess all the kids are waking up.

I'll try later.

[spare bone]

is there are any very good mana regen skills on skill tree? or something to reduce cost of my skill, because my storm wave eats too much even with gem for 40% less cost. like that one that i have

[hard vine]

anything I can ever put in here? kinda just went and did it for free on the altar

[vagrant imp]

There's a lower mana cost+attack speed wheel that is very good

[midnight bolt]

this doesnt work with skill effect duration, is this normal? or it doesnt work cause its not a "skill"?

[spare bone]

already using it

mb there is just hidden skills that i can't find

[vagrant imp]

What level is your storm wave?

[spare bone]

23

mana regen 65atm, and attack speed 0.41

[vagrant imp]

Yeah that's why, skill levels are good but very expensive, especially for attack based builds.

[spare bone]

i am looking at that one right now and i can't understand what is recovery rate, like from leech?

[vagrant imp]

If you need mana while mapping a mana on kill jewel affix goes a long way

[spare bone]

nah, i need it for bosses

hm, mana regen/leech on jewels...

can i somehow check how much do i leech from hit?

[vagrant imp]

Not easily since monsters have leech resistance in this game

[wet mango]

Not a skill, exactly. Things say exactly what they mean

[spare bone]

mb i just need to swap my mana potion

[wet mango]

Leech, Regen, etc are all recovery.

[spare bone]

because i never get even a glance at it xdd

probably should get the one that regen it self by default?

and get quality on it

[vagrant imp]

Depends how long bosses take, more charges/less charges used is good too

[spare bone]

well, right now i have a big mana problem on the lvl4 sekhema

at the end of the fight i attack him once every second

[vagrant imp]

Yeah the Regen one would be good then

Or get some relics with boss damage

That's how I did my first clear

[spare bone]

relics is such a pain

i just put the one that increases honour and decreases loss of it

[frosty arrow]

I honestly never bother fixing mana consumption through the passive tree unless I can't keep up with flasks

If I run dry during boss battles then it's a problem

[vagrant imp]

75 honor resistance, boss damage, and merchant choices. These will make your trial runs much easier before you kill the boss super fast.

[frosty arrow]

I think Merc so far is most likely to have mana issues since you have literally nothing that can be reached on the tree. I chug mana flasks on grenadier like it's crack

[olive harbor]

does faster energy shield recharge work if you take eldritch battery

[vagrant imp]

My warrior's mana flask slot is empty just to flex on all these mana users

[frosty arrow]

Yeah, it wouldn't be if they didn't remove utility flasks from the game. God I hope they bring them back

[vagrant imp]

No, only things that affect mana matter for the mana created by EB

[frosty arrow]

Move speed flask pretty please

[vagrant imp]

Ah hell nah

Quicksilver mandatory flask zzz

[frosty arrow]

Not mandatory. On some builds you can't not have flasks

As in health and mana

[wet mango]

no it becomes mana

[vagrant imp]

Yeah and those would be considered bad builds in a game with quicksilver. It's just that powerful

[frosty arrow]

I think they should've just given us 3 slots, and lock them to one for health, one for mana, and one for utility

Maybe don't make quicksilver so powerful then. Not asking to zip around like flash, just something to make my character actually move

[vagrant imp]

Shield charge weapon swap 🧠

I'm not sure what utility flasks they would even put, because I don't think they want us getting raw defense from a slot like that. So no ruby, no granite, no jade... No phasing either

Seems like it would have to be so limited it's not worth the squeeze

[olive harbor]

why do build guides for spark sorc all take energy shield recharge rate

[frosty arrow]

Ngl once we get more weapons there will be some wild weapon swap builds

[vagrant imp]

I do wish we had ways to cleanse ailments that weren't automatic since sometimes I'm under no threat and it just eats all my charges

[frosty arrow]

Flask that generates charges, reduces skill cooldowns, clears cc or ailments, etc

They could get creative

[wet mango]

because they have ES from this amulet
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[rustic pond]

what chest stats are minion witches going

[vagrant imp]

Mace is going to be relegated to nothing but weapon swap single target I fear.

[frosty arrow]

I'm still not quite sure I'm down with the whole charm thing. It just seems like resist with extra steps that add nothing interesting

[vagrant imp]

There's no way it will keep up with axe or sword clear, which seems lame to me

[wet mango]

is that bad necessarily?

[craggy ice]

has anyone tried a chonk flicker + mantra build? if so how was it

[wet mango]

seems fine to fit the power fantasy of warriors/melee folks with 1 weapon for single target and a 2nd for clear

[frosty arrow]

Maces get baller warcries

[vagrant imp]

I think if the only use it sees is single target for hammer, yes.

Which with current balance and lack of ability to focus hard on bosses kinda sucks, but obv we're early on.

[frosty arrow]

I think we should wait and see. I was thinking something like crossbow+2h sword Merc. Thematically cool, and would work great. You flash and gas the pack for that instant armor break and blind, then go it for the kills

[cold cipher]

This staff. Last mod works if I contribute towards freeze but my hit wasn't freezing one?
Example: I cast cold spell and build 2% towards freeze and then someone else freeze monster. This mod works in that scenario?

[wet mango]

no

you have to proc the freeze

"contributing to freeze build up" is not "freezing" them

(I think)

[vagrant imp]

If we're looking at poe1 warcries there are more to come for other weapons

[cold cipher]

That would be too op on weapon swap. Thanks

[frosty arrow]

Which only means giants blood warbringer warcry build will get even funnier. I'm trying it rn, or at least my interpretation of it. Wasn't doing by the guide, just someone thrown an idea. Halfway through the game, not sure how it's gonna work yet

I want to run 2h+shield, no other reason than for the lols. But also extra block is just nice, and for clear blowing up corpses with warcries is main tool anyway. Doesn't scale with weapon damage

[vagrant imp]

Imagining the dual wield axe+mace for maximum warcry piano build

[spare bone]

oh, i forgot about this beast for the bosses

[vagrant imp]

To survive on warrior block is basically mandatory rn

[frosty arrow]

Will you be able to run two different two handers at once?

[vagrant imp]

not sure

[vagrant imp]

Ideally you would get that from jewels and socket a real damage gem for your main skill

[frosty arrow]

Idk, I see people having good time dual wielding maces on warrior. But I've not tried myself yet

[vagrant imp]

Oh you have elemental expression

I see where your mana is going

[vale sage]

is gain x% of damage as extra lightning damage mod on an item like adding base damage to a spell

[spare bone]

i've put already everything for damage

the only thing that i could put is 35 melee damage but it's gonna take my 40% less cost slot

i am using this one for mapping

mb i am missing something

[vagrant imp]

It's just a raw damage multiplier. It takes the end result of your damage and adds 15% if that as cold for example

[vale sage]

whats' the diff between it and % increased lightning damage?

[rocky pilot]

Does anyone know if Blood mage "1% Critical damage per 45 life" node is bugged or not?
When i grab it, my skill's crit damage tooltip does not go up. but not easy to test it and see if maybe its adding damage under the table

[vagrant imp]

Ok so if your skill does 100 lightning damage and you have 10% increased lightning damage it will do 110, that is the same as 10 extra as lightning. But say in the case of the monk they convert 80% of their physical damage, so 80 lightning 20 physical, in which case you're doing 88 lightning and 20 physical with the 10% node. Whereas with bonus damage as an element it will take the total of 80 lightning+20 physical and turn give it 10 lightning damage on top at the end of the calculation

[vale sage]

gotcha so seems if im doing a spark build, %lightning damage increased is prob easier to get to a higher percentage

[vagrant imp]

Basically it is multiplicative whereas increased damage is additive

Well the extra damage affixes also have a benefit in that they can proc their elemental ailments with enough damage

So you could chill/freeze with your spark for example

But yeah increased lightning damage is good ofc

Lightning damage spell damage and elemental damage will all be the same for spark though

[vagrant imp]

Upheaval is good for AOE, heft is decent for single target, crit supports could be decent too if your bell isn't eating those.

[feral sluice]

hi im just jumping into the game and decided to go merc jw what i should focus on with it aka life, armour evasion kind of thing?

[vagrant imp]

Yes

And elemental resistances where you can get them

[tidal copper]

Life and resistances
All the rest are extras in campaign
Your weapon is the most important
Look at vendors and do side quests for loot

[feral sluice]

tyvm

[wet mango]

no, it happens at the conversion step
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[haughty wadi]

hey

i know i can't cause bleed even if i have 100% chance if my hit doesn't involve bleed causing damage

[wet mango]

(and the rest of that post might answer this Question as well)

[haughty wadi]

what if i play blood barbs from bloodmage (elemental damage contributes to bleed)

while also using avatar of fire

[wet mango]

you do fire damage, but it can bleed

[haughty wadi]

would my fire damage still inflict bleed? if yes, would this bleed still do damage?

despite it being physical damage

[wet mango]

it would inflict bleed, it would not do damage

this is because DoTs are never converted

conversion only applies to hits

[haughty wadi]

so despite the ascendancy, it still counts as my damage

and i can't deal non-fire damage

is that how it works?

[wet mango]

wdym "despite the ascendancy"

the ascendancy works

your elemental damage contributes to bleed magnitude

that doesn't mean bleed becomes elemental

[haughty wadi]

i'll take that as a yes

[lusty surge]

can innvervate and ice bit work together? like be applied together i mean

or just one at a time?

[wet mango]

sure why not

as long as you proc them both

they're just separate thingys

[vale sage]

reading this seems like my initial thought was correct and gain x as element adds to flat+base damage before multipliers, insightful thanks

[haughty wadi]

lasagnaman, does this also mean there is no way to fully benefit from this ascendancy currently in the game?

aside from abilities that may already have 100% to fire conversions

[wet mango]

yes taht's exactly right

[wet mango]

which ascendancy

[haughty wadi]

the blood barb from witch

[lusty surge]

what about herald of ice? can herald of ice proc ice bite?

[wet mango]

sure why not

[haughty wadi]

the plan is to go full fire and fully invest in ignite+bleed

[wet mango]

the HoI explosion has to kill something else that is also frozen

[lusty surge]

i guess enemy has to be frozen to get shattered but still weird

[wet mango]

yeah then you woudln't want to take avatar of fire

[lusty surge]

because i used it and it does not proc ice bite

[haughty wadi]

appreciate the input mate

[wet mango]

wdym

if you have ice bite on HoI

you need HoI explosion to kill something else that is frozen

oh wait i'm confused sorry

[wet mango]

sorry I got it confused, i thought the Ice Bite proc was "kill a frozen enemy", which it isn't. (It's "freeze an enemy")

this means Ice Bite can't be procced by HoI because HoI can't freeze

[eager gazelle]

I'm playing Cold Monk (following DonTheCrown tree) and I was wondering if pure Evasion is the right way to go or if I should reroll to Evasion+ES gear or even CI with pure ES gear. Any help would be appreciated ❤️

[vagrant imp]

Pure evasion is a bit of a dice roll. Hybrid and CI are both viable, just up to taste and what investment you want to put in

[burnt cairn]

Hi Does anyone know if the item rarity charm works on the monster you killed to proc it?

[haughty wadi]

@wet mango hey if u don't mind 1 more question, do u know if skill effect duration still doesn't apply to ailments?

[eager gazelle]

I like the hybrid version of Eva+ES but not sure if that will be the way to either. I died a lot with tons of evasion from bullshit attacks or after death effects

[vagrant imp]

Well CI certainly is better against big chunks of damage. How much ES do you have in your hybrid setup?

[fast eagle]

Does shock duration stack on itself for longer duration or just resets the duration.
I swapped scattershot support for lightning exposure on my plasma rifle and i feel like my shock lasts less.

[eager gazelle]

I don't have hybrid setup yet, I'm running pure Eva right now with 66% Evasion / 59% Phys DR (Invoker and Acrobatics both taken)

[vagrant imp]

Yeah you will get murdered by degen effects on a build like that

IMO you should drop one of acro or phys DR from monk and go for hybrid to be more evenly tanky

Grim feast is also very effective with some ES to protect from big hits/degen

[surreal kindle]

infernalist or blood mage

[pine mulch]

No

Just the next one

[tidal copper]

depends™

[plain cloud]

Hey, is it better to go for Armor + ES on Infernalist minion build or focus on pure ES ?

[surreal kindle]

well I just go infernalist

was leaning toward already anyway

[vagrant imp]

Infernalist is a safer bet

blood mage is rough early

[tidal copper]

Blood mage can use s crossbow and bleed for millions it's funny too

[tidal copper]

Full ES I'll bet

[wet mango]

it doesn't. an ailment is its own thing.

[honest turret]

does item level matter in wands too if you don't use their skill?

[surreal kindle]

what loot can have extra spirit when playing witch

if I buy the gambling loot

[vagrant imp]

chests and amulets can roll spirit

[vagrant imp]

Item level determines the level of affixes any item can roll, wands/staves/sceptres included.

[surreal kindle]

sceptres cannot?

[vagrant imp]

They can

[surreal kindle]

ok

[hollow pelican]

Has anyone had any luck with monk acolyte builds after tier 15 mapping?

[surreal kindle]

what defense stat do I focus on the infernalist summoner witch early on I'm lvl 22

armor?

[vagrant imp]

Basically every build wants to focus on life and some resists on whatever gear pieces you can equip early on, ES/Armour/evasion is a bonus

[surreal kindle]

ok

[primal tide]

Hello! I am a brand new palyer and wanted to do a storm flicker monk, i saw some clips and fell in love!

I am currently following this build bit it feels kinda bad, it tells me to invest in ICE damage and take buff for ice too...
https://maxroll.gg/poe2/build-guides/tempest-flurry-invoker-leveling-guide#faq-header

Do you guys know any other giudes? better ones?

[past furnace]

hi. sorry for the dumb question, but what exactly causes a monk to dash?

[vagrant imp]

All of the palm skills have an inbuilt dash

ice strike also has a smal lunge/dash if you're close enought to the target

[past furnace]

ok, i'm playing ice strike. but hadn't found any dash text in the description. thx

[vagrant imp]

Yeah it doesn't state it explicitly, but it does

[surreal kindle]

I'm confused like I have a sceptre that grants skill level 5 skeletal warrior minion but 2 get summoned (I haven't used any spirit on my skill to summon them)

[verbal garnet]

Playing with a golden Charm what are the best prefix and suffix to aim for to get the most out of it?

[surreal kindle]

shouldn't it be 1 or where is the second one coming from

[azure wyvern]

How does the 35% less block chance work in Turtle charm?

If I have 40% chance to block

Is it 26% chance to block now?

[frosty arrow]

It'll just do that based on skill level if I recall

[vagrant imp]

yes

[azure wyvern]

Does the 35% less block chance apply first or is it added to the increases of block chance?

So if I have total 50% increased block chance.
Will it be 15% increases block chance?

[uncut patrol]

Does Minion Instability support gem works on SRS (Raging Spirits), the spirits die thus it can explode from Minion instability, right?

[snow sierra]

yes

if the timer dos not run out before they despawn

it can be a kinda thight window

[uncut patrol]

Wdym, once the timer is done, they explode dealing dmg from minion instability

[snow sierra]

no

they just despawn

they need to die from dmg or infernal legion

[vagrant imp]

It's applied at the end.

If you have 75% block chance it will become 49%

75 x .65

[azure wyvern]

Oh, that is bad

[uncut patrol]

@snow sierra yea just tested it u are right

[snow sierra]

i know...x.X

[vagrant imp]

Renly's Training is also actively bad unless you're using a unique shield

so turtle charm is pretty niche

Basically the only good way I think to use it currently is Svalinn

[snow sierra]

infernal legion + feeding frenzy + minion insta is you best bet without res and reggen

if you wanna pop them

[azure wyvern]

So I need 115% block chance to have 75% block chance?

[vagrant imp]

yes

[azure wyvern]

That is around 155% increased block chance

[vagrant imp]

You can also use turtle charm with glancing blows, could be an acceptable tradeoff, not sure

[azure wyvern]

What are those?

[uncut patrol]

At what level do we start seeing lvl 2 support gems?

[vagrant imp]

It's a keystone that gives you a big block chance increase but you take half damage from all blocked hits instead of none.

[azure wyvern]

Hmm, don't think I will survive with it

[vagrant imp]

This

[proven rapids]

this is pretty good on turtle charm non-svalinn shield

[vagrant imp]

It's good in PoE1 with heal on block setups for basically free block cap. So it could be a worthwhile investment withsomething like The Surrender unique shield.

[azure wyvern]

Remember I am trying to the masochistic magic find build

[bronze leaf]

I’ve leveled a infernalist and invoked to lvl 80+ both feel decently strong, with my witch being the strongest (I switched because I hate the bell placement on monk)

Do you have any suggestions on a build that scales well into endgame that isn’t a minion build, that also doesn’t require the 100-200 div items for broken ES stacking? :S

[vagrant imp]

Yeah they're both useless for that build IMO

Renly's is ok

[proven rapids]

you are still coping with your mf build lol, you wont make it work, stop trying

[azure wyvern]

Where I am trying to be Under 35% life

[azure wyvern]

Already bought items

[snow sierra]

detonate death or minions for witch its cheap af

[proven rapids]

on infernalist, definitely hexblast

[azure wyvern]

60% mf helmet
50% mf Boots
Gloves for kill stealing

Now I need the body armor

[bronze leaf]

I’m running DD together with minions right now and it’s working very well. I think I have around 6k life/es combined

[azure wyvern]

I have 2 bad rings with around 25% mf too

[proven rapids]

just keep running DD if you want to, it's very good

[snow sierra]

i run 190 MF on my DD build^^

even did my first breach boss run in this gear

on a 5 link

[proven rapids]

how do you achieve 190

[snow sierra]

i have mf on every gear piece

[proven rapids]

using a charm ?

[snow sierra]

no

gloves, boots, amulett, rings, helm

[rare mulch]

What's the node/item/skill that lets block chance block spells?

[vagrant imp]

You can get like 60 on a single ring

[snow sierra]

alone the amulett can have 60mf alone

[proven rapids]

ok ok

[tidal copper]

Helmet has 2 MF affixes rings too
Amulet gloves boots one iirc

[snow sierra]

and i have cheap as gear bought it for like 30 ex

because i dont wanna invest in mf deeply its getting nerfed anyways

my rings are insane tho, i bought them before ppl known mf was good so i have 120 resi sum rings with 25% mf

[frosty arrow]

There's this funny unique that boosts your rarity on low life. Basically epitome of greed kills

[snow sierra]

ye just specc ci

and you have it perma

cause ci is buggy atm and perma low life

[frosty arrow]

I hope it's a bug, because I disagree with idea that having 1 life should count as low life

[vagrant imp]

poe2 is the time to do away with MF, hope they do

[snow sierra]

its a bug for sure

[vagrant imp]

that's not how CI works in poe1 so I doubt it's intended

[frosty arrow]

I also don't think it should count as full life. CI is already too good

[cold cipher]

I think ggg will reset ea in next two months and bring some patch with new toys for us to play with. All because of rarity and some insane builds

[snow sierra]

yes they will it called leagues

[frosty arrow]

Game has so many more important issues than rarity right now

[cold cipher]

Short league

[snow sierra]

i think rarity is the biggist issue by far

followed by grim feast, and armor beeing bad

[frosty arrow]

Bruh armor being bad is like 12 places above rarity more pressing

[snow sierra]

no

[frosty arrow]

And even that might not be the worst

[dreamy kindle]

i need advice

1st is 1div and i get max fire res, second is 2 div but i get max fire and cold res

[snow sierra]

its just overhyped because kripp made a video

[proven rapids]

rarity is worse than armor being bad

[frosty arrow]

Bruh, it barely functions. Wdym overhyped

[snow sierra]

rarity destroys the game for every casual player

it functions very very well

for 95% of the playerbase

[frosty arrow]

Casual player has no idea about rarity or how it destroys anything for them

[vagrant imp]

They do when they can't buy any gear

[snow sierra]

because it destroys the marked and the ability to buy things

that compounds every other issue

builds unbalanced ? cant buy items to make up

etc

when ppl make 2-10 divs in one map its just breaks everything

[frosty arrow]

Who wants to engage with this wacky ass 90s system where you need to go outside the game to trade. This has been fixed in other online games like 20 years ago. It's called auction house

I dread trading, because of how inconvenient it is

[snow sierra]

thats a compley diffrent issue

And if you play SSF armor will be the play alot of the time, until you get very far

the problem with armour is it dos not scale into endgame

[proven rapids]

last poe1 league solved that, poe2 brought back the problem and amplified it lol

[vagrant imp]

Armor is ok endgame, it just also requires block.

[snow sierra]

Nah its not

its rly useless

[spare bone]

@vagrant imp jesus, almost

still kinda good

[snow sierra]

like insanely useless

[fossil moss]

which one should i pick as a stormweaver build ( normal act 3 )

[spare shadow]

how can i search for specific buffs on time lost diamond?

[vagrant imp]

mana regen

[vagrant imp]

That's just hyperbole

[proven rapids]

armor isn't ok in end game, there's boss that overwhelm armor, skills than cannot be blocked, armor break and on top of that, the armor formula is weaker than in poe1 when monster in poe2 have about the same one shot capacity as those in poe1

[snow sierra]

No its not

[spare bone]

should i vaal or chaos it?

[vagrant imp]

I'm literally playing with it in t18 maps with mediocre damage lol

[snow sierra]

nice here you have a rose you missed the point

[vagrant imp]

armor isn't meant to tank boss slams and the fact that builds in poe1 can so easily is goofy

[snow sierra]

now go play again

armour is just useless to tank big hits, and with no way to scale the lifepool it needs to do a good job against them

[vagrant imp]

How did I miss the point? It is literally functional, it is just magnitudes weaker than ES and evasion

[proven rapids]

builds in poe1 can't tank boss slam with armor ? they use physical damage taken as elemental, endurance charges, fortify, flat physical damage reduction

lol

[snow sierra]

evasion is not compareable with armour

[vagrant imp]

I'm aware, the point is they do it.

[snow sierra]

evasion and block are compareable

[proven rapids]

but they need heavy investment to do so, it's not the average player that can do that

[snow sierra]

the problem here is life builds have no option against big attacks

and armour dos nothing for that

[vagrant imp]

it's not all that difficult to tank shaper beams with a totally SSF build in poe1

[proven rapids]

shaper beam isn't a physical thing

[snow sierra]

lets not compare it to poe1 you can specc life there

[proven rapids]

but you meant shaper slam ig

[snow sierra]

and you have alot of % mid to stack

[proven rapids]

and shaper slam is super easy, uber shaper slam isn't

have you tried simulacrum with your build chase ?

[frosty arrow]

I'm still hoping they bring back more charge mechanics into this game. Having power charges(any charges) do ANYTHING, apart from being hassle to generate and barely anything to use on would be nice. Having endurance charges provide flat DR could make armor more functional

[snow sierra]

Life just needs something against the ocasional big hit

[vagrant imp]

Considering you get like no simulacrum splinters per delirium, no

[proven rapids]

ok, try one simulacrum with your armor based build and come back here

[bronze leaf]

Is armor bugged or why is it so bad?

[vagrant imp]

Ok I'll get back to you in three weeks

[proven rapids]

ok i wait xd

[frosty arrow]

No, they just probably didn't quite dial their numbers right

[bronze leaf]

I see

[snow sierra]

No the problem with armour is how the formular works, later in game the dmg values you get from very very few attacks get so big that armour dos nearly nothing

[vagrant imp]

it's just tuned lower than in Poe1 and there aren't many good sources of conversion either so it's just pretty bad

[frosty arrow]

I think they just eyeballed the constant by which enemy damage is multiplied, and said "that'll do for now"

[snow sierra]

But that means life armour build get sometimes oneshot randomly

[frosty arrow]

I believe it'll get better. Maybe not good, but better

[proven rapids]

but hey, I agree with you Chase on one thing, if armor is currently bad, block is good and it just act like a pseudo-evasion for your char so the occasional hit that goes trough can be recovered easily. But without any block if you get overwhelmed you get destroyed unless you one shot whole screen fast enough

[frosty arrow]

Block is even better than evasion IMO, in many situations

[snow sierra]

agree

[proven rapids]

yeah block with evasion is omega good

[snow sierra]

block is the best defense atm

[vagrant imp]

I mean I'm not saying armor is good by any stretch, I'm just contesting that it is non-functional.

[frosty arrow]

Best thing is you get 100% to block for free right at the start. It's active block skill

[vagrant imp]

I don't think if they don't adress armor in the next patch it's like the biggest crime ever

[snow sierra]

I still considering to do a block/evasion minion deadeye ^^

[frosty arrow]

You may not use it often, but it can clutch so hard

[snow sierra]

i did not say its non functional, i did say its non functional, in very few endgame cases where it needs to function

at the beginning of this i said for 95% of the playerbase armour is ok

[vagrant imp]

what cases specifically are you talking about?

[snow sierra]

like boss slams, and the random map mob that hits you randomly for a insane amount

[vagrant imp]

Yeah I just don't think it should help you all that much against boss slams

[frosty arrow]

It's honestly just not great even at the beginning of endgame. Even when it doesn't get overwhelmed the damage/reduction curve is so steep that even against some normal mobs you're getting like 20% reduction when stat screen says you have 78%

[snow sierra]

Where ES just survivies on low because of the hp pool and life cant because armour stops functionen

[vagrant imp]

I'm not getting one-shot by quadrillas or some shit in maps

[burnt rune]

i got a new quiver and dmg only went up by 500 dps
isnt this a good quiver?

[snow sierra]

Well it should help you tank a slam here and there imo

because ES can do that too

[frosty arrow]

Why shouldn't it? ES does, evade does, block does. Why not armor and health?

[vagrant imp]

Block doesn't work against boss slams without turtle charm, ES is broken so I don't even count it XD

[dusk notch]

Armor is in a bad state Id say

Well compared to all the other options

[frosty arrow]

I don't think es is broken tbh. Everything else just needs to be better

[vagrant imp]

like you should NEVER gamble your boss run on evading or blocking a boss slam anyways, that is just foolish

[frosty arrow]

ES is in alright state

[snow sierra]

No ES is broken, but not against bosses

because grim feast is broken

the overshield needs to go

its just bonkers

[vagrant imp]

Grim Feast and Defiance banner cost the same spirit btw

:)

[frosty arrow]

Make over shield decay. Done

And make it decay with increased speed proportional to your recharge rate. The faster the recharge rate the quicker decay is

[snow sierra]

dunno i would say just remove overshield from grim feast

it would still be a insanely good aura

without it

this thing is just waaay overtuned

[simple turret]

is going chaos monk not recommended rn?

[vagrant imp]

not rly

it's pretty niche and Invoker is insanely good

[frosty arrow]

It's only not recommended because it's confusing to put together as hell

[grim burrow]

i wounder how else i could buff this dmg-
(besides gambling with more hp)

[frosty arrow]

Otherwise I've seen people do crazy shit with it

[vagrant imp]

Only thing I see chayula monk doing is cheesing hitless sanctum runs

rn

[dusk notch]

Tbh Id not want ES to be nerfed jus cuz Im running demon mode and Id probs be made out of paper if it did

[snow sierra]

i dont know mutch about monk but didnt phox put a super cheap /strong ssf monk together ?

[proven rapids]

it work with the darkness thing ?

[vagrant imp]

I haven't looked into how it works, but it's something with darkness, yeah

[snow sierra]

the ES nerf will kill demon form for sure, you can only hope they dont change the formular for conversion items too because then ghostwrith will give nothing if it works like in poe1

[frosty arrow]

I honestly straight up don't understand that ascendancy so far

[snow sierra]

ye the darkness dos not count against honor

[dusk notch]

Yea exactly Im alr playing smth niché and Id not wanna return to minion spam meta

[fiery wave]

whats the highest dps elemental spell to scale for single target damage without it being a complete buildaround?

[dusk notch]

My only hope would be a MoM build with the unique helmet

[vagrant imp]

define buildaround

[frosty arrow]

What about sorcery wars on wh?

ward

[vagrant imp]

Frost wall is currently a very strong single target secondary option, though you can use it primary as well

[fiery wave]

@vagrant imp create the build to make the spell useable

[snow sierra]

i dont know only know about the monk thingy

[fiery wave]

i am playing flameblast but i try to keep flameblast for map clear and have something else with more single target

[dusk notch]

I use ember fussilade for a bit more single target

[fiery wave]

i thought about looking into chain lightning or what its called it seems to have a high base value

maybe i try fussilade again

the one time i tried it i got the witch bos and i couldnt hit her

[dusk notch]

Maybe yea Im a bit niché where I only do fire skills cuz of the fire demon power fantasy

There are likely better options

[fiery wave]

im just looking for a bit of a bump, if i can get ignite going on flameblast it would also work

[quaint prism]

so im using rapid shot merc, anybody got any suggestions for gems i should buy? no idea what stats i would want in my gems

[dusk notch]

U playing demon too?

[fiery wave]

i play capped demonform which everyone is convinced it sucks but i can clear 81 maps no problem its just t3 bosses and t1 pinnacle bosses have a lot of health for my effective dps

[dusk notch]

Or u playing mage

[snow sierra]

its kinda sad i expect es to kill demon form builds, DD nerfs to extremly hurt bloodmage builds, like the weak aspects of ascendencys will get weaker because i bet they wont have time for buffs only nerfs. And demon for is just weak atm without the ES abused with stacks

[frosty arrow]

Bruh, I theme all of my builds pretty much. You'd be surprised how common it is. For every minmax build out there there's 20 people who just want to look cool playing

[fiery wave]

so if i get to t4/t5 bosses and like t3 pinnacle i think i cant do it anymore

i needed like 3-4 minutes to kill excavation and ritual boss

the thing is i seem to do around 50k per hit which is 1.17 seconds on flameblast and fussilade tells me it does 20k right now

but maybe thats without the 5%

[snow sierra]

If they nerf DD to hard its back to minion Chronomancer for me too 😦

[fiery wave]

also fussilade seems odd it says 12 embers but 12 embers cost my whole mana pool and it seems to only shoot 6

[dusk notch]

Yea Im hoping they dont nerf ES too hard jus so I can keep playing demon mode

[frosty arrow]

Imagine being able to manipulate time, and you still let a bag of bones do the fighting

[snow sierra]

maybe they only nerf the overshield

[vagrant imp]

those bags of bones are tough man

[snow sierra]

But ES will get a nerf, i kinda sure of it

[frosty arrow]

Good ol' calcium warriors

[snow sierra]

It will be either the overshield, conversion items, or ES notes

[dusk notch]

U can change that with some support gems, personally I use wildshards aswell ontop of that

Idk for ember u do need alot of cast speed

[fiery wave]

@dusk notch can you share your whole support gems?

[frosty arrow]

I'd rather see them work on boosting other defenses, and bring something good to the tree. Like actual health, and damage conversions

[fiery wave]

@dusk notch i have 120% cast speed for flameblast anyway

[dusk notch]

Remind me when Im home haha

[vagrant imp]

I do not want to see other defenses as good as ES

[fiery wave]

i think im gonna make a dps calc spreadsheet for spells

lol

[snow sierra]

Well if poe1 is any referenz they will just slap some 20% mid for armour builds in like endurance charges or something and call it a day

[fiery wave]

idk man my 7k ES i still can die on 81+ lvl maps

[dusk notch]

Yeah build themeing is so much more fun then playin whats meta

Thats the way it is especially for demon mode gaming

[snow sierra]

i can still die on 81+ maps when i had 12k es/22k grim feast with block

[fiery wave]

i think they should tie armor to health nodes or give armor some type of active overshield effect (guard) so warrior arent paper

[wet mango]

What do non ES evasion (Merc) builds typically take, acro or sorc ward? Or both? From a theory standpoint, both of them trade evasion stat for more defense against ele AOE damage (which seems like the most dangerous factor in high tier mapping).

[fiery wave]

any of you guys know how stun treshold works. i realized yesterday i had 87% of ES stun threshold which is like 80% of my effective hp. so i scaled it down but then i got chain stunned by some little nerds bumrushing me definitely not doing 50% es damage.

so i dont think its a flat number i think its a chance

[snow sierra]

sandy not, ive gotten a belt with a super high flat number and since then it feels better

[frosty arrow]

For start they should just flatten the reduction to incoming damage curve. You should know that if you see 80% dr on the stat screen it means you have good armor. It shouldn't mean that minor tickle hit gets those 80% and anything stronger gets reduced by zero. The ramp is just too hard

Then they could think of more mechanics

[fiery wave]

@frosty arrow i full agree with that. i thought about it.

whats the problem? the problem is people expect to be tankier. there is many ways to make them tankier. flatten the curve, tie to life nodes, reduce elemental/other sources of damage.

[frosty arrow]

I don't oppose the idea of defenses getting weaker as hits get harder. But what we have is just too rough

[fiery wave]

agree

[frosty arrow]

Nah, having more sources of damage would be better actually

[fiery wave]

i specifically thought this morning it should be a flattened inverted logarithmic curve lol

[dusk notch]

I still dont got one with charm slots

[fiery wave]

because you should be only tickled by the smallest hits, medium hits should have some bigger magnitude but then it should taper off

[snow sierra]

i dont have one too, its to exepnsiv i would like to have 2 charm slots but dont wanna give up something for it^^

[frosty arrow]

I think the game could use more split damage sources. Why do most of these big attacks only check physical DR? Seems skewed

[fiery wave]

because "im being one shot" just means "i die faster than i expet to die", so they need more effective health some way

[frosty arrow]

Let the slam do 40% fire and 60% physical. Then even current armor would do at least something

[astral willow]

pretty decent for a level 5 I think

[frosty arrow]

And you'd live

[fiery wave]

definitely one solution

[dusk notch]

Yeah thats my issue p much

[fiery wave]

i just thought one of the way the problem manifests might be that players have high phys reduction but then just die to chaos

i kinda want armor to give overshield and they have guard for that

if you add more overshield i think it would be fixed too

[frosty arrow]

Issue is players have maxed out physical reduction and die to physical right now lol

[snow sierra]

ye

[dusk notch]

Its alr hard enuff to cap resistances with 2 in the future maybe 3 uniques so I dont got the space to fit in stuff like charm slots

[fiery wave]

warrior should definitely be able to tank a decent amount of physical

[snow sierra]

because they wasted resources to push a useless stat

[frosty arrow]

More damage sources, or split damage sources would make it better

[snow sierra]

but that would make ES even stronger

[frosty arrow]

ES will come with nerfs in the future anyway

What's more important, ES being broken OP or armor being...broken?

[snow sierra]

still for ES to be playable it needs to perform and ES weakness ifs 0 phys mid

[lilac lava]

Hello !

I am wondering about whether it is worth it to run vulnerability aura for my build (physical spell damage with detonate dead)

Vulnerability causes your hit (including spell hits) to ignore atound 8k to 9k armour, which is pretty much the amount of armour that endgame bosses seem to have ?
https://poe2db.tw/us/The_Arbiter_of_Ash#TheArbiterofAshDemonClawBoss

I was wondering what is the impact of this armor on high damage spell hits (which typically hits for around 50k to 200k damage pre mitigation). My inderstanding is that, if monster follow the same armour formula to compute the mitigation that player (A / A + 5D) the impact of 10k armour on such a hit would be less than 1% and not at all significant?

Then is there any benefit to invest in armor reduction ? It seems to be quite insignifcant for players against monster even for high end bosses ?

[snow sierra]

so anything that moves away from phys dmg is better for es

[sonic steppe]

That is why poe1 phy dmg taken as ele dmg is so good

[frosty arrow]

All I'm saying is some of these biggest attacks could use a damage source split. Because right now they're basically just health pool check. And ES will win that every time regardless

[snow sierra]

if its split it befinits es

[frosty arrow]

Right now everything benefits ES, it's whatever

[vagrant imp]

that's very shortsighted thinking

Nisch is right

[snow sierra]

Armour need just do what its supposed to do, help against the big phys hits that supposed to be es weakness

[tidal copper]

Armour break doesn't help either...
It's like the new elemental resistance

[frosty arrow]

It's just there's real possibility they nerf ES while doing nothing to armor for a while, making game miserable not only for warriors

[snow sierra]

yes it is

[tidal copper]

Definitely

Sounds like GGG

[snow sierra]

yep i agree poe has prooven they like to keep the strange formular for armour^^

and ES needs a nerf for sure the question here is will they overshoot it or not

[slim island]

Is chaos inoculation a trap for infernalists?

(how do the max health reserving asc nodes interact with it?)

[snow sierra]

No

CI can be super good

its just a diffrent build you can do

[tidal copper]

It was buffed in PoE 1 we have pre buff armour right now
But they really should rework the system

[snow sierra]

or a transition build until you can affort the more exepensive one

[slim island]

I'm assuming the health reserving nodes would not work, right?

[snow sierra]

lol, i that makes me think poe2 is based on a sucuffed poe1 build where armour was still bad and rarity still in the game

[snow sierra]

yes you dont then those then

But it would make the note before these reserves stronger

because that note suddenly says 20% phys dmg reduction

[vagrant imp]

The endgame is definitely a lot of poe1 math and systems (Though obv armor is weaker in this case.)

[slim island]

Yeah thats why i was considering it in the first place

[hybrid saffron]

good options for sorc instilling amulet? (non meta build)

[manic grail]

anyone know of any support/aura builds?
I'm finding it difficult to search for things like that

[tidal copper]

According to the latest test it's 3.16 armour it might be when they started making PoE2

[snow sierra]

There is non but i bet with chronomancer you could build the best possible support build atm

[manic grail]

yeah I was thinking something similar

[hybrid saffron]

I know this is like 5 nodes away, but I couldn't find anything amazing. xd I'd like my ice nova to have more radious or comet. this is ok?

[snow sierra]

you can replace it if you dont like it

later

[tidal copper]

I have seen people annointing for less
But consider just pathing to it

[hybrid saffron]

Oh you can over-instil items? nice

[vagrant imp]

It's also worth considering when anointing something near you if the small nodes leading up to it are any good

because if they are the trip isn't as basd

[hybrid saffron]

alrighty thanks. ^_^

[dusk notch]

U can only put 1 annoint on an amulet rite?

[snow sierra]

yes

but you can put life quality on your rings 😛

[dusk notch]

Hmmm I should probably put a hp regen on mine

[snow sierra]

if you want to get your hp lower

[tidal copper]

You can add two in sporeguard
Wait

[snow sierra]

for demon form ^^

[dusk notch]

Yeah Im alr running 1 ring as the unique

Mings ring

But wdym with life quality?

[snow sierra]

with the breach thingys

[dusk notch]

Ahh those ones

[snow sierra]

if you put in the life one

the -life roll gets bigger xD

[dusk notch]

I run a casting speed+mings ring rn

Idk without it flame blast feels a bit too slow

[eager forum]

Is there a way to have different support gems socketed on skills for each weapon set?

[dusk notch]

But Ill consider it maybe I can get casting speed and get a bit more trough jewels

[frosty arrow]

No, because the page with gems is shared. You simply assign skills to one weapon, or both

[snow sierra]

just wanted to let you know because doing that can be usefull in configuring your lifepool to the exact size you eed

[dusk notch]

Btw mings ring gives 30 percent chaos dmg rite and the other ring I got gives fire dmg and chaos dmg but does the chaos dmg apply to the effect of mings ring?

[dusk notch]

Thats fair ideally ud wanna get it to 200 no?

[eager forum]

So everytime i wanna go kill bosses i need to manually change the supoort gems in my skill?

[snow sierra]

not sure but think so and yes mings ring is gain chaos dmg

so it works like this (base dmg*Increased)+Gain

[dusk notch]

Ah well guess its not a dead stat then on my other ring

[snow sierra]

abriged formular ofc

[dusk notch]

Even if the increased chaos dmg wont be that huge cuz the base is 30 percent

[snow sierra]

and the chaos dmg can be scaled again as far as i am aware

[dusk notch]

Would that be a good idea to work with mings?

[fiery wave]

200% more damage means i have to multiply it by 3 ya?

[snow sierra]

No dont think so

tomo

[fiery wave]

im finding tons of mistakes in my calculation now that i make a spreadsheet xD

[tidal copper]

More damage you sure? Or increased damage

[fiery wave]

im sure

but it would be 3 on increased as well, in isolation

[snow sierra]

yes

[fiery wave]

okay

now im getting somewhere

this is for flame blast which does 200% more per stage

and i always used x20 instead of x21

this also shows how to scale single target

if i can find a couple more "more" modifiers

[dusk notch]

Guess Ill keep it to my other ring only then, a bit more dmg is a bit more dmg ig

[fiery wave]

weait is "gain extra" a more modifier?

[tidal copper]

We have flame blast?

[slim island]

can demon form be activated with chaos inoculation? it says you revert back to human form at 1 life and with CI you always have 1 life 🤔

[fiery wave]

ive been playing flameblast for the last 100h xD

[snow sierra]

yes

[tidal copper]

I played flame blast in PoE1 maybe I play flame blast

[fiery wave]

okay thanks nischana

the build is pretty good, but it has low boss damage which is what im working on

and to be fair i like the math almost better than the game

[snow sierra]

lol get life recoup and infernal flame

and even more stacks xD

[fiery wave]

yeah uncapping is one option

[tidal copper]

How can flame blast have bad boss DMG? Tree or bust

[fiery wave]

but it would make me change my gear

im convinced people are polarizing the uncapped good/capped bad thing a bit much

[dusk notch]

I tink they play a 10 stack demon form no? @fiery wave

[fiery wave]

you get a lot of freed up nodes or gear slots if you cap

yes

[snow sierra]

Like just in theroie you could go life recoup, and proc it with Infernal Flame

[fiery wave]

yes

[snow sierra]

and have a even more insane reg

[dusk notch]

I played some capped and after going uncapped I cant go back

[fiery wave]

i have seen ice comet infernal flame as an autocycle

there is definitely proven easier ways to do it

i just enjoy the act of problem solving

and i think the game is more fun if i dont one shot the boss

[dusk notch]

Like u say playing capped gives more choice but u dont need base dmg nodes with uncapped so I feel like it evens out

[fiery wave]

but since, as i wrote, i need like 3-4 minutes for a t1 pinnacle i need to ramp up a bit to beat them t2/t3

[fiery wave]

agree

[magic stag]

excuse me, i think this is super wrong yes?

[fiery wave]

its more about proving capped can be viable

vs unplayable

uncapped works for sure

[snow sierra]

are you in maps/act 1 ?

[fiery wave]

also i dont want to redo my whole exquipment

[magic stag]

i see! im stoopid!

[fiery wave]

but if i get stopped dead on trying to fix this (i can fix her 😢) i will try uncapped

i would like to retain ideally 300-420 stacks on uncapped so i can do a full map without changing form

[magic stag]

thank you so muchm thats why its super wrong!

[slim island]

does CI + Demon Form work or does that prevent transforming?

[fiery wave]

it stays "you transform back on 1hp"

i ahvent tested it but i would strongly expect it

[magic stag]

@snow sierra oh hey, btw youre the guy that actually teach me how to survive and fixing resist stats at end game maps , thank you so much man i can do shit without all those knowledge! now everything is ultra better! THANKS!

[slim island]

I suppose it would be too overpowered and easy combination to obtain, also I can just test it lol, report back in a sec..

[vagrant imp]

You do not fear elemental weakness, it fears you.

[slim island]

unfortunately

[magic stag]

i dont really understand even with all of those and 70% eva/armor. still got 1 shot by some random dudes on maps lmao

[vagrant imp]

There's definitely still some monster balancing/mod balancing to be done lol

Still worth considering what killed you though (if you can parse it)

[magic stag]

Mostly Death Explosion, I should start working on Grim Feast

[vagrant imp]

I thought you're evasion/armor build?

[pearl lodge]

which skills do i put in my atlas? (monk invoker)

[frosty arrow]

Pretty much. There's unfortunately no presets for skill gems. They are what they are. Swapping weapon sets swaps weapons and passive tree, if you have it specced per weapon. Also, you can automatically swap weapons if they're only assigned to one skill if you just use it

But any changes on the skill gems page need to be done by hand

[fiery wave]

can you guys get more than 6 projectiles on ember fussilade?

it says 12 on the skill gem but it always only fires 6

[astral willow]

I'm kinda glad I waited to start my gemling until I'd got my main to maps and ground out some exalts. Got this boi stacked and decimating act 1

[wary wave]

Can I make an Archmage Invoker ?

would that be potent ?

how much mana do archmages usually stack ?

[fiery wave]

alright it shows more than 6 on the model but it fire 2 at once

unless its bugged

[sacred lion]

Does on hit bleed/physical mercenary sound good

[minor tree]

what's the best class for a totem/corrupted blood build?

warbringer has totem stuff and no cooldown on warcries
but titan and gemling get extra strength, the latter in particular seems good to handle the totem costs (but dropping warcries in the process)

[simple turret]

Why can’t I post in the Church of Monks forum?

[sturdy matrix]

After recent armour discovery being bad, any tips for HC mercenary defenses?

I'm currently Ac3 witchhunter and specd into armour/evasion nodes

[simple turret]

Wudijos chonk build looks interesting….going to go against the grain and make one

[quaint prism]

how many fucking trials do you have to do for your third ascendancy? i just beat the dual boss and thought that was it, but no points?!

[sturdy matrix]

Depends on the level of the trial. If it#s not high enough you won't get ascendency points yet

It will state on the trial item if it awards ascendency points

[quaint prism]

says on the item if i complete it i get points, i've been through two entire sets so far

two entire sets of trials

[sturdy matrix]

Wdym? Sekhema floors?

[quaint prism]

like, the entire spread of bullshit

[small anvil]

Lvl 60+?

Should have 7 trials, level 60+

[quaint prism]

doesnt matter anymore cos i went thru two entire sets of trials and died

dogshit mode

[indigo breach]

Adjusted plan for now, will prob have 2nd weapon set on more minion dmg instead of my defenses for bossing

[wary wave]

At what level should I be doing my third ascendancy ?

[indigo breach]

at lvl when youre either imune or resistant alot to chaos dmg

last boss 3rd one is in room which shoots poison darts from all sides at one point

so either you kill him quick, or get resistances

[wary wave]

I am CI

level 80

but I play monk (melee) so I feel like Sekhema not good for me

[indigo breach]

do it than, should be good, just get alot of honor resist

or do chaos trial instead

[wary wave]

I tried doing two floors (no ascendancy) to get some relics to prepare

but I got hit a lot

(when I go in for shatter)

[wary wave]

I think I'll do that

area level is 79/80 though

is it possible to drop lower ?

[exotic shore]

Does anyone know why drain ailments is a recommended support gem for flame wall? It seems like it doesn't do anything.

[indigo breach]

I saw that trial on lvl 62 map

[dawn spire]

can you screenshot the drain ailments support?

never mind, I looked them up. Ueah, based on the wording, that support shouldn't do anything

I'm guessing that recommendation was from an earlier build where flame wall might have just been a fire DoT that wasn't an ignite

[exotic shore]

ahhh gotcha

yeah I was confused because I got it and then nothing changing on the sheet dps and didn't look like anything changed when I was testing it either

[gaunt geode]

hello what is the best lvl for warrior to complete his build?

[dawn spire]

That question is too vague to answer

there are probably dozens upon dozens of builds you can do with each class

[gaunt geode]

for example the sunder build

[dawn spire]

and also, no build is ever "complete" unless you qualify that term

[gaunt geode]

ye but i am looking for good build for warrior/ titan

[dawn spire]

yeah and I'm saying your question doesn't make sense

a "best level to complete a build" isn't a thing

[gaunt geode]

oh i see i am new in this game

i didnt know my bad

[dawn spire]

no, you're fine

I just want to know what it is you're asking

[gaunt geode]

i want build for warrior

to not get one shot all the time :P

[dawn spire]

All classes can use all skills and gear, but you mentioned sunder, right? So you want a warrior/titan sunder build?

[gaunt geode]

ye

[dawn spire]

builds in poe are more defined by their skills rather than their class

also all classes can be super tanky or super squishy

depends on how you build them

[gaunt geode]

i want super tanky build if you know help me plz

[dawn spire]

but if you like a warrior ascendancy, its aesthetic, or its starting spot on the tree, more power to you

I'd check maxroll, mobalytics, or youtube for build guides

I don't know any off hand for sunder/titan

[fiery wave]

alright i did maffs fussilade still does less dps than flameblast

[gaunt geode]

can you link me the video for the build

[dawn spire]

nope, because I don't know of any. I'd check zizaran, ziggyd, mathil, or kripparrian on youtube. I don't know of any other reputable build creators for poe2 yet.

[floral folio]

what is the difference between attack damage and global physical damage?

[fiery wave]

attack damage is from attack, there is spells that also do physical

its a tag on the skill gem

[gaunt geode]

same here i dont know any creators for poe2

[dawn spire]

hold alt and read about them.

Attack is a type of skill (attack, spell, buff, etc). While physical damage is a type (there are five types; physical, chaos, fire, cold, and lightning)

[gaunt geode]

thats why i search in discord

[fiery wave]

apparently im wrong lol

[gaunt geode]

i have all 75%

and still get one shot

my armor is 7k

[dawn spire]

https://maxroll.gg/poe2

[gaunt geode]

thank you so much

[dawn spire]

idk about youtube. I'd go with a maxroll guide instead of taking a risk on a youtuber

[gaunt geode]

ill check this one thank you for your time

[dawn spire]

you didn't say anything wrong imo

physical is also a gem tag

[soft sandal]

So I have a couple questions regarding exposure, elemental curses, enemy elemental resistance and penetration

Say I have 75% lightning pen. And let's assume enemies also have 75% lightning res.
If I apply exposure and conductivity curse, do my hits damage enemies as if they had -20% and -30% (total -50%) or are exposure and conductivity useless here since resistance penalty is applied first (enemy has 25% res remaining) and then I have useless extra 50% penetration I dont need?

[thin shore]

honestly kinda whack that theres a fireball build for blood mage, but no DD

[dawn spire]

I think it's whack they don't have a bow chronomancer build up yet

I might have to make one

[warped jackal]

hahaha please do

[thin shore]

lol

thats actually whack

but go for it!

[dawn spire]

Once I get my third ascension I'm gonna spec fully into barrage ice shot chronomancer and try it out

if it works, I might try writing up a guide

[sonic blade]

Whats the best runes to put in a Doryani's for the Storm Mage build?

[azure wyvern]

how do you change setting of loot in party?

trying to make this work with magic find

[minor tree]

currently lvl 73 invoker, tempted to roll a 2nd character to level up alongside a friend.

i'm torn between 3 options:

1. totem/corrupted blood warbringer (cheap, big AoE, tanky)
2. poison pathfinder (either concoction or through decompose, both sound very fun and former should be cheap to gear)
3. DD/decompose on blood mage/infernalist respectively (i get to have fun with minions and then switch to DD once i get to sacrifice)

thoughts/suggestions?
i value novelty and cheapness to gear mainly

[fiery wave]

i think the only elemental spell that does more single target dps than flameblast is ice comet, not considering arcmage

[dawn spire]

what do you mean setting of loot? I think the options->game tab has loot allocation rules

[wary wave]

what's the highest honor resistance I could get

[heavy wigeon]

any classes that use this staff?

[dawn spire]

all classes can use staves

[azure wyvern]

is loot different for people in party?
can they steal loot or everyone get their own copy?

[dawn spire]

hold alt to read more about it. Default maximum is 75%

[dawn spire]

loot is not instanced. If loot is not allocated, anyone can pick up any loot

[heavy wigeon]

if you were to make a new class to use this staff well which would it be

[azure wyvern]

seems like gold is the only one being copied

[dawn spire]

as someone who plays ssf, I'd probably try out some kind of EB+MoM fireball build

[heavy wigeon]

🧎‍♂️ ty

[dawn spire]

no idea what class off the top of my head

likely chronomancer because I'm addicted to chronomancer

[heavy wigeon]

oh sick I wanted to try her

[dawn spire]

chronomancer just works with everything

[neat bison]

None of the classes really have a significant fire bonus so you can pick whatever

[dawn spire]

stormweaver has the ability to make your fire damage chill and shock which is pretty good

[fiery wave]

damn it ice coment doesnt do more damage i forgot to add the wait time

2000% more damage on flameblast is just too powerful

so i think anything else needs arcmage

arch

[sour basin]

Is there any armour/jewelry that gives base block chance or is it locked to shields/QS? I'm trying to see if there's a way to use block without having to use a shield/quarterstaff

[wary wave]

Hello,
I'm level 80 (tried and failed trial of chaos lvl 79) and I'm doubting if my current damage setup is good .. I use combat frenzy + charged staff for more damage.

Charged Staff = Perpetual charge, Overcharge, Soul thief, Supercritical
Ice strike (lvl25, 20% quality) = Primal Armament, Martial Tempo, Inevitable Critical, Cold penetration.

For clear I use Herald of Ice (Glaciation, Ambush) + Shattering palm (Ice bite, Magnified Effect, Strip Away)

For bosses/rares I use tempest bell(25) with Rage, Font of Rage, Overabundance

Then for defences it's Ghost Dance, Wind Dancer and Grim Feast (I have around 2.5k ES and 74% evasion), I also use CI with Eternal Youth

Am I doing alright ? I feel like I don't know how to scale the damage any higher with this build.. I didn't really look at build guides until recently and I feel like it's almost similar setups to what I have.. I don't know what the bad thing that I'm doing is though. Any advice would be appreciated and ofc I can provide more info

[glad mist]

Ice strike falls off due to lack of aoe

Use wave CRIT build its way nicer

[wary wave]

Wave Crit ?

[minor tree]

small boop, i was also wondering if it'd make sense to go mix corrupted blood and totem, or if i should just go totem (and at that point i wonder if titan/gemling would be better than warbringer...?)

[fiery wave]

archmage is so lame, i think it gets nerfed

[glad mist]

https://youtu.be/SOt78mTmUdY?si=3oSB9QtS6qZO_CQ-

[placid lark]

when damage of one type is converted to another type, does that conversion happen before or after damage type bonuses?

[minor tree]

and i imagine for decompose, pathfinder beats infernalist?

[glad mist]

This build @wary wave

[fiery wave]

i calced archmage on my regular bois manapool of 1300 and it already does more dps then my current build

[wary wave]

:" okay

I feel like in terms of clear I'm not doing bad (AoE wise), it's more damage that sucks

[fiery wave]

oh wait i used the max added damage instead of the average

[velvet blade]

Before. 100% increased lightning damage does not apply to the cold damage if you convert lightning to cold

[wary wave]

Also, does electrocute work as a defence the way freeze does ?

[fiery wave]

electrocute uwu

[wary wave]

electro

[placid lark]

but it does apply to the lightning damage bonus before converting to cold ?

yknow that's basically what you said, I hung myself up on the last part

[warped jackal]

Anyone come up with like a chaos minion build? or would that be really shit

[warped moth]

That's poe 1. In 2 conversion happens before any damage multiplication happens

[grim burrow]

what 3gems would be best for bonestorm ?
currently using cast speed, physical dmg buff and critchance up

+buffed by demon form by Infernalist witch..

[warped moth]

Something to break armor perhaps?

[placid lark]

gotcha, poe1 brain is killing me

[azure wyvern]

how much magic find should you have to be worth having a build around it?

I have 176% magic find right now

[warped moth]

I could also see pin so you can generate power charges with resonance and fuel bonestorm with that

[grim burrow]

but they sadly seem to lower single target dps, i got detonate dead to cover crowds

[warped moth]

I think then you are fine. You could try inevitable critical and supercritical. Does concentrated effect work?

[delicate flower]

for wands on spark sorc, the stat prio should be lightning spell + > max mana > lightning damage %/spell dmg % > cast speed, right?

[vernal ruin]

How good is this ring compared to Polcirkeln for ice monk invoker ? Got it earlier today and was wondering if I should sell it for Polci

[celest blade]

anyone know how the burden of shadow staff works with sigil of power if it converts your mana cost to life?

[silver anvil]

map with +40%ish as extra elemental damage are too rippy for me to do consistently, is this normal for life based builds?

[cunning panther]

afaik everybody agrees that stat stacking build gonna get nerfed, do you all think it's gonna get really bad or still playable ? I'm just at the point when I want to decided if I wanna spend on howa and other stuff and this uncertainty drives me insane lol

[snow sierra]

Not sure how mutch they will get nerfed and even if

cause its a expensive build

and ggg often lets exensive builds be dumb

[thin basin]

heres my nerfs list:
-2% on archmage (so like imagine without quality)
stormweaver LC double shock interaction
0.25s min internal cooldown for triggered skills? (temporal)
top end ES by half (tree nodes nerf) (so instead of 10k top end 20k with overflow itll be 5k top end, 10k with overflow)
grim untouched
maybe some cage pillar/hand wisdom nerfs also but idk (-33% less aoe and damage and attackspeed?)
QUANT - only affect gold and uniques 🙂

[snow sierra]

my guess would be that es dos not get nerfed but grim feast dos

so no overflow anymore

[surreal atlas]

is % increased damage with bow skills good? or flat physical is better on quiver?

[cunning panther]

damn, should I just yolo it

[thorny token]

no they dont, they consistently nerfed even expensive builds in the past

but i think what is more likely get nerfed is pillar than howa

but doubt the build will get completely killed

so even if they nerf it it will be just weaker

[thin basin]

think -33% less aoe and damage and attackspeed

[thorny token]

probably

still would be strong

[thin basin]

yea

[snow sierra]

its not like abit less dmg will brick the build

[thin basin]

id say my nerf list is pretty good

[cunning panther]

what is reasonable price for corrupted howa ?

[snow sierra]

i cant see them nerfing es that way

cause it would break ES totaly for non min max es builds

[thorny token]

nah even if they nerfed es by half it would still be stronger than life

[snow sierra]

you assuming grim feast will survive

[thin basin]

i mean you wear ghostwrite and take all es nodes thats already like 8k es for free

[thorny token]

yea the es nodes need gutting

[snow sierra]

i see them nerfing grim feast to no overflow, and nerfing all the transfer items

[thin basin]

hence halfing ES i think is fine 🙂

[snow sierra]

because the transfer items are what breaking ES so heavly without investment

[grim burrow]

is thereva reliable way to get spirit on armor?

[thorny token]

the nodes on tree are breaking it not items

if tree did noit randomly gave youj 60% inc es from 1 notable

ghostwrithe and stuff wouldnt be so good

[snow sierra]

doubt, but no point guessing we are not ggg

but we all agree es will gen nerfed in some way^^

[thorny token]

i mean ghostwrithe is leveling item in poe1 and works in pretty much same way except you cant use it with CI there, but nodes on tree have normal values instead :d but yea no point in guessing i guess, but if they only nerf those items you still have actual es items that will still be problematic

[thin basin]

pick up all the armour on the ground and trans/aug

[grim burrow]

aka "rng gods please help me"

[snow sierra]

i can see them changeing the things for ghostwrithe etc to work like in poe1

[thin basin]

or just buy it

[thorny token]

thats the whole crafting experience in poe2 enjoy :d

[snow sierra]

and totaly break them for endgame with that

all the archemage amulett mages will be sad ^^

[fiery wave]

im doing elemental resistance math and its so weird that they coupled ele pen with ele exposure

they are kind of substitutive

if anything exposure is better as it can add damage

[thorny token]

btw i dont think this nerf for archmage will be enough, but also i dont think archmage itself is that problematic

its just spell cost in poe2 is like if you already were using archmage lul

[snow sierra]

and with elemental resistance you can go into - with ele exposure you cant do that and with pen

[grim burrow]

hmmh...isnt that kinda broken...with all nodes thats like 30% double cast chance..

[thorny token]

cant sustain shit properly if you arent mana build

[fiery wave]

@snow sierra other way

afaik in poe2 ele penetration only applies to positive resistances

[thorny token]

they need to give actual mana sustain to normal casters and then nerf archmage

(also i think mana tempest is quite a bit more broken than archmage)

[snow sierra]

ele pen only applies to positives

[fiery wave]

yeah i think you just mixed up your can and cant

[snow sierra]

But you could use items or curse (not sure) to get into negative

[thorny token]

they need to remove qual from mana tempest

its stupid that the thing even exists

[thin basin]

shhhh

[thorny token]

perma empowered spells perma cull perma 15% more damage on top of perma mana tempest buff

lul

balanced

[fiery wave]

yeah if you apply fire curse and base fire exposure you only gain 1% of damage for 5% of elemental pen as the resistance drops to 20% already

[thorny token]

with like what 0.4s cast time :d

[fiery wave]

but then you ahve nodes like this

also i need the strength from that other node 😂

[proven rapids]

pillar is fine, howa isn't as fine

[idle yoke]

Can a good LA player please help me out with my next piece to upgrade

[proven rapids]

howa is broken

in poe1 it was balanced because it was actually your weapon, here it's your fricking glove

[vivid crown]

is the reload on mercenary essentially a cooldown? and the rate at which it happens is effected by cooldown rate?

[snow sierra]

on the howa way, dos anyone know the droppchance ? is it even worth farming breachstone boss or is it just gambling ?

[analog spoke]

question: "is damage with bows" equivalent to "bow skill dmg"?

[proven rapids]

why would you nerf pillar, howa is more problematic

[thorny token]

i mean look at the stats pillar gives vs howa and their prices lul

pillar is like 5 times stronger than in poe1 for no reason

[warped jackal]

Is infernalist arguable the best ascendency for minion builds? and what attribute would you the most focus on for a minion build? is it str/int?

[round spoke]

heya, as of now i'm playing nl_Kripps Infernalist build, which support gems are the best for the Skeletal warriors? as of now i have overpower and brutality, which 2 other gems could i get into it?

[thorny token]

why would you think 10% damage for 5 str is fine

[proven rapids]

pillar is nothing without howa, pillar wihout howa is just your regular staff but with more step to get flat added

[thorny token]

pillar is absolutely something without howa

there are other very good ways to get bunch of flat

[proven rapids]

pillar without howa doesn't scale so high, you can have same result or even better with well crafted rare staff

[median portal]

hey guys, does anyone know the unique/passive skill/support skill that spreads ignite?

i remember seeing it but i dont remember where

[thorny token]

except pillar is 1ex item

[proven rapids]

yeah and well crafted rare can be worth a lot more

[thorny token]

yes

[proven rapids]

"well crafted" btw xd

idk if i can say that

[thorny token]

well it needs to be really good rare to beat pillar and even then its hard

actually its impossible if you also use bonestorm

for flat

[proven rapids]

min maxed str stack build with pillar is probably superior

[thorny token]

but bonestorm also beats howa

[thin basin]

how bad is this tree