2┃build-planning

[cursive maple]

@frigid wedge so the increase in damage is less than what i'm thinking it would be?

[tiny silo]

Is it possible to make a fire witch ''work'' or does it really need to play around spirits and minions ? I focused on fire damage % while also trying to get a good amount of huh... How's it called again... Magical barrier ? I took nodes that increase magical barrier, chaos damage( since i believe fire damage are chaos damage ?) and fire résistance penetration, it's not doing much damage and it is very very squishy i get one or two shot most of the time, will it get better at endgame or should i give up now ?

[frigid wedge]

Yeh probably, I’d have a look at the wikipedia page for damage calculation to get a good idea

[quasi sinew]

give me some good reason to play maces but not on warrior

[rocky pilot]

it depends on what you're thinking of.
There's only one fireskill that is incapable of making a build out of, Firestorm.

Otherwise you can make a fire build pretty easily.

Magical barrier isn't a thing so i dunno what that is, i think you mean Energy Shield

[frigid wedge]

Feels like shit, very slow attacks and ascending is really hard

[quasi sinew]

i like it, autoattack mainly

[rocky pilot]

Ultimatum isn't really that hard on warrior but sanctum is yeah

[frigid wedge]

Yah true

[rocky pilot]

the only reason i'd play maces is if you just want to play melee.
A good reason to not play on warrior is the large majority are all Str-stacking and Gemling str-stack gives you enough HP to make melee mace viable.

[old shuttle]

How to go about getting Freeze resistance/immunity. Or do i just use the charm?

[fluid tide]

running monk icy strike, how neccesary is this?

[rocky pilot]

The warbringer ascendancy is largely useless outside of the shout build. Because armour is completely useless, so negative armour is just as useless.

The Titan ascendancy is good. but str-stacking is done better on gemling

[frigid wedge]

@quasi sinew but yeah I can’t recommend ballistas enough if you’re looking for something unique. I have found not one build guide or YT vid of people playing it, which is surprising, because it’s been very easy to play and cheap to gear for me

[old shuttle]

and take the -20 IIR

[fluid tide]

my planned out tree shenanigans does have any evade on it at all

[frigid wedge]

Pushing t10s with ease atm

[quasi sinew]

I was thinking stormweaver with maces, double shock should make up for the loss of giant blood

[rocky pilot]

if you are evasion, this node is very strong. Monk has no reason to go Evasion only though. it should be Evasion + Energy Shield

[fluid tide]

with eternal youth, right?

my evasion is 45% at lvl 52 rn

[tiny silo]

Ho yes energy shield sorry my game's not in english i should see to that, i'm using multiple firespells like firewall, the one that make enemys weaker to fire damage and also the one that spawn a solar thing that does aoe everyone of them spawn little flame skull that explode when they die it's pretty... Lol maybe i should focus on one spell and not all those at the same time

[rocky pilot]

I would say you will not have enough life to make melee viable with this.
And you'd be incapable of building into Evasion to make up for that

[quasi sinew]

ofc I'd use es

[rocky pilot]

Eternal youth is an option yeah, don't know if everyone takes it

[quasi sinew]

or mana

[rocky pilot]

Then you would struggle really hard to wear maces.
You need 172 strength just to wear a high tier 2h mace

[quasi sinew]

mana flare is only for spell unfortunately, so i'm not sure if there is any other reason to go for mana

[frigid wedge]

I think your main issue will be getting enough strength and intelligence for gear and gem requirements

[rocky pilot]

The shock chance just doesn't really make sense to go for

[quasi sinew]

I have the chest that transform half my life in energy shield

I guess that could solve the problem

[rocky pilot]

well no... because you still need a ton of str

[frigid wedge]

Btw I know how you feel man. Not really much build variety in the game yet so when you’re looking for something a bit unusual you kinda just have to wait until more classes and gems come out

[tiny silo]

Does stats (STR INT DEX) affect damage output or they're just requierement ?

[rocky pilot]

and still need a lot of ES nodes too, it just stretches you thin. and ES is a bad defense stat unless stacked to the moon or supported with MoM

[old shuttle]

ES is just clearly the best defence tool idk what you mean

cap res -> stack ES is what like, 95% of builds are doing

[rocky pilot]

because i don't repeat rhetoric from youtube videos lol.
ES was made in PoE 2 originally as one of the weaker tools. They removed almost all forms of ES leech, nerfed any form of regeneration through outside sources and effectively removed Zealots oath from viability

[old shuttle]

CI giving an entire IMMUNITY to chaos is crazy

[rocky pilot]

ES builds right now are generally supported by an underlying defensive mod, like MoM

[quasi sinew]

ye, although i don't think more classes will change much, it's just built this way. They need to make weapon switching more viable so that we can combine different kits

[rocky pilot]

otherwise builds like Blood mage try their hardest to stack a TON of it. to make up for that. so like i said.

ES is only good if you can stack a TON or you have another defensive modifier for it

[old shuttle]

i mean im just comparing it to other defensive options. Armor isnt that great cause youll still get phys 1 shot. HP stacking is so hard to do with (basically) no flat or % nodes on the tree or from jewel

[rocky pilot]

The best defensive combo right now is certainly ES + Evasion. as Evasion is very good in PoE 2 now that you need much less to reach upwards of 60%

[tiny silo]

''taking note'' that's usefull to know thanks

[old shuttle]

meanwhile ES getting to like 8k+ isnt that hard

but yeah MoM can also give gella effective life rn with all the mana stacking. Mana seems really strong RN

[rocky pilot]

8k ES with no other defensive stat is really not as good as you think it is. Even archmages right now in endgame will sometimes get all their ES nuked, and be on 0 ES, but a wonderful MoM to keep them from dying.

The really really high ones like 12k are much tankier of course, but most people are using Grim Feast to pull that off which doesn't work in bosses

[old shuttle]

yeah but 8k armor is also pretty trivial to get

[tiny silo]

How does evasion work btw ? Does it substract a % of damage you take based on your evasion ?

[rocky pilot]

armor does not work the same.. 8k armor isn't very good

[old shuttle]

nah evasion is a % chance to dodge all damage

not all damage is dodgeable without acrobatics

[frigid wedge]

Hits and Projectiles by default

[tiny silo]

Combining it with energy shield make total sense then

[old shuttle]

meant 8k es is pretty trivial to get

[frigid wedge]

I’m running full evasion and really feeling it. Shit sucks

[old shuttle]

and yeah just evasion in general is really good

[frigid wedge]

They took all the secondary mitigation out of the game from PoE 1 haha

[rocky pilot]

Current defensive tools are:

• Armour. As useless as it is in PoE 1, both for players and for Monsters

• Energy Shield. Has almost zero ways to regenerate currently and thus needs very high levels of scale to make up for that, or a second defensive layer. The most obvious situation where ES tends to fail is places like Ultimatum. Where most ES players will tell you is pretty painful to deal with.

• Evasion. Very strong as the Entropy System generally guarantees your percentage will dodge at that rate. The downside is that Life is so difficult to stack that Life based Evasion hits a hard wall around 2.5K Life + Acrobatics. It is optimal to use with Energy Shield instead.

• Mana as Life. Its basically Life but better. Really no downside, only whether your class can pull it off

[rocky pilot]

Your evasion is likely low and may be lacking Acrobatics.

[frigid wedge]

Yeah I think so

83% chance to evade not enough

Occasionally I get hit and it’s lights out

[rocky pilot]

Evasion dodges Hits and Spells But not ground effects or Melee SLAMs
Slams are extremely common in PoE 2. so evasion falls apart if you don't get Acrobatics. Once you get Acrobatics you dodge almost everything.

Evasion uses Entropy, essentially if you have 60% evasion, PoE will make it so most of the time, you will always dodge things at a 60% rate

the more evasion fails, the higher chance evasion will succeed.

[tiny silo]

I'll turn on the PC i need to build

[rocky pilot]

in simple terms, they have evasion pity

[tiny silo]

And when it fail the ES can back you up

[frigid wedge]

Ah sick

[rocky pilot]

yes. ES has much better synergy as well because ES only recharges when you don't take damage. Evasion makes it so you only take one hit usually per blue moon. so often times you can get hit, walk away and ES will recharge by the time you are ready to attack again

[frigid wedge]

Idk how I’m gonna get more **evasion other than just dropping all my div on a chest piece

but if I took acro my chance would be really low atm

[tiny silo]

Thanks didn't knew any of that was pretty desperate to understand any of it

[rocky pilot]

In the end,
Energy shield is strong but not as strong as videos make it seem. Half of the current overpowered ES builds are all running on an interaction that is almost certainly getting removed.

Which is pretty much Gain as % of Maximum Energy Shield . This is happening before conversion and giving people ginormous scaling energy shield

[rocky pilot]

Acrobatics is generally taken around 12K-16K evasion.
With a Wind Dancer aura, yo ushould have a pretty significant chance to evade by then

[frigid wedge]

Oh cool I have 14k already

I’ll give it a try thanks bro

[rocky pilot]

it is 70% less Evasion **Rating**
Not Evasion chance.
So your flat evasion will fall, but flat evasion scales on a rounded curve. Basically if yo uhave 80% chance to evade, you will not go down to 10

Make sure to quality your Wind dancer

[vapid storm]

Ive been leveling a monk not sure what build to commit to tho

[rocky pilot]

no problemo.
IF you need to learn Path of Exile mechanics, you should look up Dreamcore on YouTube. He has explanation series videos that explain the game without overarching opinions. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O_iGmsYSLMI&list=PLP7ddJEpezLfZ4sZt3JYY-MS_QC677Mde&index=4

[vapid storm]

i dont wanna go with stacking cause i feel thats gonna get nerfed

i saw this build, anyone know how good it is?

https://mobalytics.gg/poe-2/builds/flicker-storm-monk

[quasi sinew]

3 elements and bell is pretty strong

[tiny silo]

thanks it's hard to find youtube video that actually explain thing instead of just showing

[rocky pilot]

i wouldn't worry about avoiding nerfs. the game will likely get a massive rework once they get back from vacation anyway

[vapid storm]

Another build ive see n is this one but im not sure how the build is tho?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eCANZQbSm_c

Not sure which one is better?

[rocky pilot]

Monk has no build diversity

it is pretty much all the same build

[vapid storm]

i didnt ask that

Not sure which one i should go for

i like CI

[rocky pilot]

Figure it out then 👍

[vapid storm]

But the voltic mark seems really good for aoe

[sly lava]

Hi guys whats a good jewel foe gas arrow patherfinder?

[quasi sinew]

is bleeding any good? could go mace blood mage

[rocky pilot]

Poison Magnitude and Projectile damage

[rocky pilot]

Bleeding is extremely strong, however there is no need to go Blood mage for bleed. The only bleed centric node is for spell bleed. and all physical spells are weak right now until we get the staff bases for Reap and Exsanginuate

[quasi sinew]

na I'd go mace for fun

[rocky pilot]

Bleeding has really poor map clear however and thats kind of the issue. the only good physical skills in the game are Frenzy charge bow skills and Mace skills.

Mace skills have bad clear and speed, Bow skills are good

[cursive maple]

These are my current items/stats

Should I wait until level 79 to buy more gear

[quasi sinew]

doesn't bleeding require target to move?

[cursive maple]

or is there anything i'm using that i should try to get replaced asap?

[rocky pilot]

Bleed does damage regardless of moving. Moving doubles the damage of bleed.

But instead of having your target move, just get the Beetlebite shoes which makes any enemy in your presence automatically aggravate their bleeds

Pretty much any class works for bleed mace as long as you can stack tons of str and life

Blood mage technically offers you a wacky health stack but this health stack is very mid and is designed for crit in mind.
I would recommend chronomancer instead if you really want to do a mage. But you should really just stop trying to use mage

[quasi sinew]

sunder works with crit

[left matrix]

Yes

[rocky pilot]

Your armor needs to be replaced
probably first

[cursive maple]

yeah jesus

[rocky pilot]

then your gloves have like no life

[cursive maple]

i just noticed it's like level 26

LOL

no wonder i'm so squishy

but my dps kinda makes up for it, kill them before they can hit me

So my armor and gloves

currently sitting on like 50ex

should I use it all, or wait until level 79 to get the "best" gear i can buy

[rocky pilot]

Maces have extremely low base crit and crit is nerfed across the tree.
With a 10% crit rate quarterstaff, you achieve about 33% crit rate from taking a large majority of crit nodes as a monk. The monk has more crit than almost anyone else in the game.

Basically if you go mace, the only way you pull off crit is through Sandstorm Visage unique helmet

[quasi sinew]

sunder has 100% garanteed crit consuming broken armour

[frigid wedge]

You can get good gear for like 5 ex each tbh

[rocky pilot]

you can just buy a level 79 armor and use it when you get there.
If you look for a good high armor + Evasion + res armor in exalts, you can certainly find one pretty reasonably cheap

[frigid wedge]

Then it jumps into that divine price range for BiS/ pre-BiS gear

[cursive maple]

So for right now, spend 5 exalt each for my armor and gloves and get decent gear, and once I'm 79 try to get the "best" stuff?

[frigid wedge]

Nah

Not really level locked

[rocky pilot]

it does but you have to break the armor in the first place. Boss armor can take a ton of time to break sometimes and its still not as good as it seems.

But yes you can grab crit damage nodes and ignore crit chance, try and spam armor break until armor breaks and then use a single hit of sunder.

[frigid wedge]

It’s when you start to amass divines that you should go for your endgame gear

[cursive maple]

gotcha

So ideally my armor should have

all 3 resists, life,% increased armor and evasion

and one more life of either + armor or + evasion?

[left matrix]

Daaaamn this is a nutty ring though

[cursive maple]

so something like this?

[left matrix]

Try out Shock Chance increase on Lightning Arrow, and Execute+Innervate on Herald.. its quite glorious

[cursive maple]

but not with these stats lol

[stone fog]

Is there something that’s kind of more defensively minded rather than all out aggro wild style? I’m thinking some kind of chronomancer would fit the bill but I’m not sure.

[frigid wedge]

Tri res and life is end game gear

Try double res for now 😄

and at least 180 life

[cursive maple]

I don't mind spending 5 exalt on my chest and 5 on gloves

ah

so this is not worth 5 ex?

if it doesn't have enough life

[frigid wedge]

It depends on your other gear, could be worth it if you have a lot of life but missing res

Personally I don’t think so. Body armour has the best life rolls so I’d capitalize on that and go for a nice 200

[vestal stag]

Question for the group. Can thorn dmg apply bleed on hit?

[cursive maple]

@frigid wedge thoughts?

for 5 ex

[frigid wedge]

Actually quite good

You could resale for 1 div and someone would buy it haha

The defence stats are lacking but that tri res is hawt

Should do you for a few levels

[cursive maple]

Gotcha

i bought it LOL

[eager pulsar]

if im going lightning deadeye should i prioritize elemental damage or still physical damage since its gonna convert anyways?

[cursive maple]

what runes should I get on it?

[scenic dawn]

What unique equipment gives you mind over mana if any do?

[tropic rune]

Cooldowns progress even when you swap weapons right?

[hallow flax]

So I noticed the -10% all damage resistances applying once I hit Cruel Act 1, and this goes down another 10% with each act, correct? So I will need to balance out at least -60% for the full game?

[frigid wedge]

ye

[frigid wedge]

Probably chaos res, could go for increased defences but I’d crunch those numbers first to see how worth it is

Actually it’s transitory gear so probably not chaos res unless you have one sitting around. Not very cheap

Up to you though

Hell you could even put more ele res on it to free up your other gear mods

It’s all in your hands now man! 🇧🇳

[cursive maple]

yeah cause now idk what to go for on my gloves LOL

since my resists are sitting at 130-160% now

and i'm in c3

[fading raptor]

is there a trade chanel ?

[crimson torrent]

Tried asking in build help but it wont let me. I'm using this build: https://mobalytics.gg/poe-2/builds/coc-balls-invoker-ronarray#passive-tree-0 Am I meant to put dex or int when choosing attribute passive nodes? Because cast on shock will requires 61 int and in the future, Blink will need 133 int

[sour pendant]

Is cold monk good for levelling? And does he have good end game build options?

[wet kestrel]

I am playing lightning which is great but I think cold invoker could work just as well, maybe with power charges and flicker strike in ther e

there

[sour pendant]

thanks bossman

[burnt rune]

cant find shock change support and innervate on herald ;d

[scenic dawn]

At what level do concoctions get there 4th support slot?

[torn mango]

How does Grim Feast work with Eldritch Battery and Everlasting Gaze Amulet?

Will you gain ES from Grim Feast due to ever lasting gaze unique or nothing because of battery?

[left matrix]

Just click on search all gems...

Just cuz they arent suggested dont mean they dont work :P

[burnt rune]

i did that but searching by those names i cant find them

unless they are called another way i dont know which gems those are

[plain marten]

I don't know what to do.. i keep testing the damage and no matter what i do it seems like the gem that gives 25% cold/-50% fire or 25% fire/-50% cold does absolutely nothing for my damage, doesn't make it worse or better.
I'm wondering if my ring is useless too, do I stack both fire and cold? or just cold with the conversion? This is so confusing lol. I am using gas arrow ice/ignite explosion deadeye

[tranquil steeple]

How does chain lightning with a tempest bell work?

[light raft]

so i just drop a miror what is the best build out there

[errant storm]

did spark got nerfed why did my dmg go down

[uncut patrol]

Does last gasp support gem works on Raging Spirits making those skullies last add 4 sec?

If not, what lvl 1 support gem should i put on SRS other than fire infusion?

[plain marten]

I'm frustrated thinking that this gem is useless at the same time when i slot it, it shows my dps increases which wouldn't make any sense whatsoever it should be making my dps LOWER

[cursive maple]

How important is missing 5% res?

Would adding 40% armor to my body armor through runes be worth more than getting 5% res on it through a rune + 20% armor to cap out my fire resist?

I'm also using a fire charm

[plain marten]

usually adding the increased armor/evasion/Energy shield is preferred since you can get a passive point node that scales off of your armor.

[unkempt nexus]

is careful consideration any good on a ranger?

[dry reef]

anybody know where to see how much life raging spirits have? I can see for everyohter minion but not these

[cold cipher]

Does anyone use minion weapon swap tech for resummoning? How does it work?

[uncut patrol]

Does Last gasp work on SRS (Raging Spirits) that makes the skullies last 4 more seconds before it dies? If not, what lvl 1 support gem should i put on SRS other than fire infusion?

[eager pulsar]

why do ranger guides never recommend crit? do i just go full elemental and not take it at all?

[tranquil steeple]

tempest bell and elemental expression is insane

[plain marten]

a lot have recommended crit now, the problem is at base you only have 10% flat crit chance (AT MOST), so anything on top of that only gives a small few percents at a time. If you go crit you basically have ot go all in

[eager pulsar]

10% assuming you get 5% god roll modifier

[plain marten]

Yeah realstically you'll get about 9% at best

so any 10% you add onto that is barely 1% extra crit chance

[chrome maple]

can someone help me to fix my dmg on spark archamge ?

im using bow and quiver

[near jewel]

guys, for shockwave totem whats better titan or warbringer?

[eager pulsar]

i love gambling, ima crit

[scarlet mason]

Bow/quiver spark? Is there a hidden voltaxic-like unique I don't know about

[tranquil steeple]

With 100% conversion, does any gain x% after that also get converted? I know for everlasting gaze thats not the case.

ie: I have 100% of cold to lightning, but also have "gain 5% of damage as cold damage" do I gain that cold damage or does that also get converted?

[plain cloud]

Hey trying to make a build and I'm wondering which combination is better - Evasion and Armour or Evasion and Energy Shield ? It's gonna be a Flicker Strike build

[wet kestrel]

havent tried both but for me evasion and ES is working really well

[queen chasm]

need help, so when im back in act 1, these is my true res with all my gear adding up, but when i go into end game, its show up with the stats on the right, and even if i go into act 3, my stat is reduce for some reason?

[plain marten]

I think i figured it out, % increases to fire damage messes everything up!!! Blueflame bracers only converts flat fire damage into cold.. On armor you can have % increases, but not on skill gems

[eager pulsar]

the +1crit from skill tree counts as base, am i understanding correctly?

[shadow haven]

later in acts and in endgame your resists get lower and lower

each act reduces your resists by 10%

so by act 6 you get -60% all resists

but if you do all the optional quests you get +20% all resists

[severe oar]

Hi i'm looking to play Monk with Tempest Flurry and Storm Wave,

But i don't understand why i wouldn't take a quaterstaf with a LOT of phys damage, instead of just a little

I'm looking for

Prefix
Increase elemental damage
Increase Physical damage
Add phys or Fire or Cold ( so i can freeze or ignite, then take the other one on my ring)
Suffix
Attack speed
Crit hit chance
Crit damage bonus

[shadow haven]

poe1 reduces you by -60% as well, but the mods over there for resists are higher

[peak estuary]

okey, please explain me this.
I got 394 str. I got passive that increase damage by 1% for 15str, so... 394/15=~25%
so, we got Mace Strike (just auto attack) for 9728 dps
and we got hammer of gods for 56836 dps

now I adding this passive.
and... WHERE IS MY 25% ???

Mace Strike 9728 + 25% = 12160
Hammer 56836 + 25% = 71045

But when I add point I see only 10346 and 60441

please explain me somebody. i dont understand how all this crap works. it doesnt do that it should

[white timber]

You are trying to multiply additive damage

That not how it works

[sick jasper]

The way I think it works is all your base or flat damage gets converted first and after that all the rest of the damage gets calculated. So increases to fire won’t do much with the gloves on but increases to cold should. Take the conversion of and you lose that cold and it’s the other way around. Assuming the ring is the only source of fire damage.

[wet mango]

how does Herald of Ice work with Long Shot/Close Combat? Is it distance from you or distance from the shattered corpse?

[sick jasper]

If I’m wrong feel free to correct me. I’m learning too

[severe oar]

no one knows ? 😦

[plain marten]

After testing i've found that any fire gets converted to cold, but any support gems with fire added to skills does not get converted at all. So adding fire dmg with support gems does not work on my build.

[wet mango]

what skill are you using

blueflame only will convert base fire damage

all conversion happens at the same time

before modifiers

[plain marten]

gas arrow, but this goes for any skill. I suppose it would be nice if there was some sort of explaination that it doesnt convert all fire damage, just fire damage at base lol

[wet mango]

it goes for any attack that has phys to ele conversion

blueflame gloves will convert the majority of your damage for e.g. Fire spells

[wet mango]

the conversion tooltip explains this: all conversion happens at once in a single step

so phys dmg that converts to fire via the skill will not get converted a 2nd time

[plain marten]

That makes sense. Just a little bit confusing i shouldve brought up the tooltip lol

[thorny token]

its always from you as the gem says because herald is not separate entity

[wet mango]

you're right, but in their care their skill has phys to fire conversion

[wet mango]

fannnntastic

[plain marten]

I'm trying to pump out as much damage as possible with gas arrow explosion. At this point im kind of thinking I need to dive into crit a little bit more

[peak estuary]

what do u mean?

[thorny token]

if you dont grab something like EOW for crit weakness gl going crit with 5% base crit

[plain marten]

Whats the max amount of resistance penetration? When does it have diminishing returns?

[thorny token]

pen cant go below 0

[glacial sorrel]

If I go Mind over Matter and scale mana instead of life, am I just gonna get stunned all the time? How does that work?

[plain marten]

I have 95% cold resistance penetration

I heard most monsters only have 50% resist though?>

[iron harbor]

Penetration can go into negative, it's fine

[queen chasm]

oh so i need to build more resists then

[neat bison]

Pen can’t, reduction can

Like exposure

In PoE2

[plain marten]

hmmm i guess that's what im wondering im using box cold exposure and penetration on my abilities but... im just wondering if there's a point i should stop. Also for exposure isn't the most you can get basically 40%?

since default is -20% +20% extra exposure effect from skill? Idk how i'd inflict more exposure effect with frost bomb. Oh nvm its in passive tree

[thorny token]

pen will apply last, so bunch of your pen will still remain useless

even if you start adding exposure and curses on top

[neat bison]

Most ppl just prefer to run exposure + curse over pen

[vestal cipher]

diminished returns, I would see where else you could put those points to gain damage in other areas

[thorny token]

idk about most ppl

running enough pen to just get stuff to 0 is fine

[neat bison]

Yeah it’s still good

I just haven’t seen any pen lords personally

[wet mango]

crit isn't really in a good enough place to scale now. Main thing is getting a better weapon, proper supports, and like300-500% incr dmg on tree

[iron harbor]

Oh sorry you are right, I would have sworn pen could go into negative in poe1? They changed it?

[thorny token]

yes

[iron harbor]

Oh no I need to read more lol

[wet mango]

it's not +20% extra exposure, its 20% increased exposure effect

[plain marten]

yeah i know it isn't but its a guaranteed flat damage increase

[wet mango]

you can get much more dmg elsewhere

[plain marten]

yeah i noticed when it procs it only shows -30% and not 40 lol so its not additive

[tropic rune]

Is it possible to have two completely different builds when you weapon swap (same ascendancy)?

[wet mango]

yes because it says increased

[errant storm]

does quality on wand do anything?
i dont see anything going up

[wet mango]

if it were additive the way you were thinking it would be +

as in +20% exposure effect

+/incr/more are all different

and are the 3 main types of modifiers

[plain marten]

one of my issues right now as well is determining where my damage should be, If i get "attack damage" would it be a separate modifier than "projectile damage" or are they in the same category and both ammount to the same damage?

[thorny token]

doesnt it add qual to granted skill from the wand or some shit

[wet mango]

same

your dmg iwll look for all the modifiers that apply to it and apply all together in 1 step

[plain marten]

So i suppose i should just go with the bigger number then , rather than trying to spread out my damage types thinking they multiply with eachother lol

[wet mango]

they in fact do not

correct.

[plain marten]

Most games they do, that's why it confused me

[pearl sluice]

hale heart vs resiliet soul for demon hexblast?

[wet mango]

what is most games? lol

D4 had a really weird sys tem wher some of them bucketed but others were separate

it was a huge mess to understand

[plain marten]

not arpgs but other games with a bunch of different stats usually works in this way

[wet mango]

shrug fair enough, i'm not familiar

[plain marten]

It's so confusing too when they do that lol, you basically spread out damage in each place, it multiplies with eachother and so you get the max output, but since you're saying it doesn't work that way i guess its more simple in this game just to go for the biggest number.

Though I do assume that it does work that way for .. Physical damage vs elemental damage

Since they are 2 separate damage types

[wet mango]

wdym by "works that way"

phys and ele dmg will never apply to the same damage

so there's no concept of bucketing or not

i guess its more simple in this game just to go for the biggest number.
i mean you still have to be careful because skills can be a mix of damage right

like you might have a skill that doesn't convert 100% to ele, so you have 80% lightning 20% phys for example

or it might be 2 parts, and 1 part is a proj but the other part is an explosion which is AoE

etc etc

[plain marten]

that makes sense

[wet mango]

so then "attack damage" applies to all your output but "area damage" only increases part of it

[plain marten]

I guess what I'm trying to get at is what is the priorty when adding damage. When I'm already stacking so much attack dmg.. proj damage.. Phys damage.. At that point 20% attack damage wouldn't ammount to as much as 20% cold damage for example right

[wet mango]

they're the exact same

if you are doing 100% cold damage

er well same as attack and proj

phys damage won't do anything

if you don't do phys damage

also what do you mean by "adding damage"

[frail swan]

Ok i might have put myself into a rut here but I want to focus minions on witch but I chose blood mage am I cooked or is it still feasible?

[wet mango]

i assume you're talking about modifiers but if you're talking base damage that happens before conversion and is a separate concept

[plain marten]

Well most abilities convert physical to elemental. There is no bucketing with stats in this game then?

You just stack and stack whatever the highest number is? whether elemental or physical. If 100% phys is getting converted to cold

[wet mango]

physical won't do anything for you

you are doing cold damage

again, this is all explained (and illustrated with an example) in the in game tooltip/help on conversion

[plain marten]

Would my bow technically be a 230% damage increase then? lol

[wet mango]

? most crossbow or bow skills maybe

lots of mace skills don't for ex

[wet mango]

isn't that what we just discussed? haha. there is no bucketing.

[plain marten]

but in tooltip says explosion converts 100% physical to fire. bracers convert fire to cold

[wet mango]

all conversion happens at once

you're not doing any cold damage

from the bracers

or much

(this i ad mit i'm only 98% sure on)

[plain marten]

I mean they freeze when i hit them 🤣

[wet mango]

yes, i'm actually wrong here

[thorny token]

skill conversion happens first

its 2 step process

[wet mango]

yeah

my b

[plain marten]

It's a whole confusing process with 2 steps haahah

[wet mango]

I was thinking poe 1 "priority" process

where skill conversion takes priority and then other conversion "split the remaining %"

if it's over100

but it's actually just 2 separate steps here

[plain marten]

also my bracers are at 92% conversion, which allows me to explode and freeze

otherwise i cant ignite at all

[uncut jay]

Can someone please explain this item? Does it allow me to use a skill (like the bell) even if I don't have the dex/int, but have strength ?

[wet mango]

you're not doing much igniting anyway i imagine

since ignite chance depends on fire dmg

[plain marten]

so technically elemental damage bonus % is one of the best hidden stats on weapons, since it doesnt show a dps increase but it actually does increase dps if using anything that isnt pure phys

[wet mango]

if bell is a melee skill, sure

[wet mango]

you need str to meet the dex and int reqs

[cinder river]

Is the Invictus grand Regalio, based on the sockets of that specific armor or ALL sockets across all gear?

[plain marten]

im using the helmet trick

[wet mango]

wdym hidden stats

[wet mango]

so why do you need the 8% fire damage

[uncut jay]

It should be, but problem was that it didn't allow me to "cut" the gem, stating I dont have dex/int

[wet mango]

turn off the option for child locks

[plain marten]

% elemental damage with attacks doesn't show up as a dps increase on any weapon. So it is overlooked

[wet mango]

oh, is it?

[uncut jay]

oh, ty

[wet mango]

i mean yeah it's a good stat

like + skills

[plain marten]

I need the 8% so i can still ingite, otherwise the helmet doesnt do anything and i cant explode gas arrows

[wet mango]

but ppl know to look for it....

[wet mango]

??

"enemies in your presence are ignited"

you don't need to do anything

[plain marten]

Yes but with 100% fire to cold conversion, it doesn't allow me to explode enemies with gas arrow

[thorny token]

have you actually tested that

[plain marten]

its a confusing interraction i still haven't found why this is the case

[wet mango]

oh because the ignite itself needs to do fire damage

the gloves convert your ignite as well

[plain marten]

Yep

[wet mango]

it's still ignited

so the wording wasn't perfect, but yeah

you don't need <100 to ignite, they're always ignited

[plain marten]

i think they still get ignited with 100% fire to cold conversion, but you cant cause an explosion

[wet mango]

however the gas nades need "fire damage over time" (a burning effect)

if you convert all your ignite damage they are no longer burning

lol

[thorny token]

i dont think gloves convert the ignite

they just convert the 100 fire pseudo hit stated on the helmet i guess if it stops it from working

[plain marten]

actually if gloves are 100% they dont get ignited at all lol

[thorny token]

because generally you cant convert dots i dont think you can do that in poe2 still

[uncut jay]

Is there a lvl limit on what skill/spell lvl I can use? Or is that just int/str/dex check?

[wet mango]

oh ttheres a pseudo hit?

oh i see, i guess it works the same was as poison from gas nade

[thorny token]

yea the as though wording is new in poe2

its kinda confusing system

[main jetty]

question for late-game stormweavers. Is MoM without EB a good idea? Im in ssf so getting any specific uniques is out of the question and going EB with mana tempest seems scary. Should i not go EB and spec into energy shield or should i just not use mana tempest?

[thorny token]

sometimes counts as hit sometimes doesnt :d

[plain marten]

EXACTLY

My gas arrow counts as a "hit" to blind enemies

But doesn't count as a "hit" for cast on freeze, cast on anything

Maybe its because the explosion causes the freeze and not the gas cloud lol

[thorny token]

well you are exploding gas arrow arent you, the new mechanic is in gas cloud itself before its exploded

game also thinks the gas cloud scales with crit even though technically it shouldnt

[plain marten]

it does crit

on crit i do like 60-80k damage per shot, non crit is 25k or so

with pen and exposure its around 80k per hit

[thorny token]

talking about cloud here again not explosion

[plain marten]

ah yeah cloud shouldn't since its a dot

[thorny token]

explosion is just regularhit and has normal rules

[thorny token]

well both poison and ignite are hit effects, thats why the new wording is there to make it possible

which also makes the in game tooltip think it scales with crit

[plain marten]

then why cant i proc cast on freeze then. idk

[thorny token]

again explosion is something else, but if it cant then sounds like a bug

as theresnothing preventing it from doing so

if you are converting it to cold

assuming you arent running ele focus or some shit

[plain marten]

maybe because im converting fire to cold?

[thorny token]

that wouldnt prevent it

[plain marten]

im gonna try testing it again

Becasue enemies get blinded with my gas arrow which means its a "hit" but cant use cast on

oh wait seems to be working now strange

because before it wasnt working..

interesting

this changes my whole build lol

[remote narwhal]

Anyone know if dustbloom loses fungle growth when using blood magic??

[plain marten]

I only gain energy sometimes when freezing though..

[remote narwhal]

Freezings higher energy given

[thorny token]

it says hit, using life to cast spells is losing life not hitting yourself

[remote narwhal]

That's why there

[plain marten]

what do you mean? I freeze them, they die, i didnt get energy

[remote narwhal]

Your getting it just not near as much as freezing does

[round marten]

any1 know why this passive isnt making my skills use any hp?

[remote narwhal]

Wait. That shouldn't be the case

[plain marten]

I'm looking at the % doesn't go up at all despite freezing someone sometimes

can send vid one sec

yeah its so inconsistent

[plain marten]

its bad quality because i dont have discord nitro

lol

[nova topaz]

Is maxroll missing some hybrid roll combinations ? Trying to input my gear I can't get some options

[plain marten]

works perfectly fine on my spiral volley... such a shame

Cast on is the most OP thing in the game

well not the most OP but one of the most OP

wonder if i put freeze buildup on my skill gem if that will make it work

[dry reef]

arsonist's attacks are aoe right? if so do they need accuracy?

[plain marten]

this annoys me because i want to use cast on freeze, but now i might be limited to cast on crit

[neat bison]

No accuracy, spirits need it if you are using them though

[dry reef]

I thought spirits were melee

[neat bison]

Exactly

[plain marten]

I think maybe becasue the ignite isnt caused by a hit.. so freezing them via an explosion that started with a non hit..
but it doesnt make sense because sometimes i still blind enemies or gain energy from freezing occasionally

[dry reef]

don't need accuracy under 2 m though

i thought at least

[plain marten]

it looks like the actual gas pellets without the explosion count towards cast on freeze

[thorny token]

accuracy distance is just penalty

but enemies still have evasion regardless

so you still do

[dry reef]

oooh wow i feel stupid lol thanks

[neat bison]

^

[dry reef]

and just to confirm no need for accuracy for arsonists right?

[thorny token]

you shouldnt based on the accuracy tooltip

[neat bison]

Generally their accuracy can be solved with enough minion levels at least

[thorny token]

because its checked against evasion

and evasion doesnt work against aoe

[neat bison]

Yeah

[dry reef]

ok thanks a lot!

you really taught me a lot

[burnt rune]

is the left weapon much better than the right?

[proven rapids]

Breaking ennemies armour bellow 0 with warbringer translate in more physical damage taken ?

[proven rapids]

Yes

[burnt rune]

worth 3 exalts?

[proven rapids]

I'd say less than 3 tbh, but don't know much about bow

[balmy knot]

is there a excel sheet or somehting that shows the possible rolls on gear pieces/jewels/etc

[frosty arrow]

why would you pay 3 exalts for a weapon you'll replace in like an hour, because you're halfway through campaign

[proven rapids]

Yeah that too

[frosty arrow]

in fact, why anyone would pay anything for basically leveling gear

[burnt rune]

cus im starting to feel weakish

[balmy knot]

someone set me up with some resources <_>

[frosty arrow]

campaign is really not hard. Especially if you level your n-th character, and have storage full of gems, gear, etc

[burnt rune]

i cant complete the chaos trial

[frosty arrow]

you can always come back to it once you put on a few extra levels

[plain marten]

Besides eye of winter what other ways can i apply critical weakness?

[thorny token]

sceptre and theres 1 other sources i think

but eow is best and bugged

so would recommend that one :d

[plain marten]

Yeah just kinda hard to fit it in without cast on freeze 😦

[thorny token]

is cast on freeze unreliable on bosses as well?

[plain marten]

critical weakness means 20% Flat crit chance right ?

[thorny token]

because i dont think critical weakness will matter on trash mobs

[thorny token]

+10 base

[plain marten]

Idk never really used cast on abilities much since i can't with gas arrow explosion..

[plain marten]

pretty big buff for boss even if i manually have to use it lol

[thorny token]

yea and its bugged so you get insta max stacks of it

oh also if cast on freeze doesnt work properly you can always also try elemental invocation

instead

[true juniper]

Okay this would probably be extremely unlikely but does anyone know if it’s possible to Vaal orb off the “cannot use other rings” on thief’s torment?

[thorny token]

you have to self cast ele invocation but its useful to automate bunch of stuff at once

and might work for you

[thorny token]

i saw it removing mods on uniques so i would think so?

[plain marten]

I'll try it out

[thorny token]

just have to get lucky ez

[true juniper]

Because I don’t really want to throw away 4 divines if it doesn’t even have a chance lol

But might be worth a shot if it does work

[thorny token]

well general rule is if you cant afford it

then dont bother

[true juniper]

I could buy another one just not worth it if it can’t remove that roll

[plain marten]

nope doesnt work for gas arrow explosion either, darn

[balmy knot]

does life leech work for spells?

[median kraken]

If it says attacks no. It's possible for spells to leech life but there are very few ways to do that (blood mage and I think maybe like one unique item)

[balmy knot]

just says this

[neat bison]

So that isn’t inherent leech

Just boosts leech if you did have it

[balmy knot]

ah ok

[balmy knot]

what about bleed on hit? is projectile non dot hit?

[neat bison]

Don’t think I fully understand the question

[balmy knot]

id ont think i understand what im asking either

its ok

nvm

[tranquil steeple]

https://tenor.com/view/cat-meme-gif-14922675818058709477

[balmy knot]

is this saying i could hit something with a spell and it has a 4% chance to bleed

from what i know only non damage over time counts as hit right

[median kraken]

Rigjt

[neat bison]

Yes

[frosty arrow]

pretty sure you need source of physical damage to bleed. Just like you need source of elemental damage to inflict afflictions. So, only physical damage spells would have a chance

[median kraken]

I believe normally only physical damage can cause bleed and the hit has to remove life (can't bleed if you only hit energy shield), but otherwise as far as I know spells can just cause bleed in PoE2 (unlike PoE1)

[covert ingot]

anyone with lightning mercenery wanna help?

[median kraken]

There is one Blood Mage passive that lets non phys damage bleed

[plain marten]

I just dont get it why cast on ability doesnt work with explosions. I guess maybe it is a bug and probably wont ever get fixed

[thorny token]

well it will get fixed at some point surely

report it on forums if you can

or check if there isnt one reported already

there is a lot of bugged stuff in the game atm

[plain marten]

I think it's probably not on the top of the list but it would be nice.

really cast on should just be taken out of the game realisticlaly

[plain marten]

where should i report it?

early access bug reports forum?

[uncut jay]

Could you make a build with this item, or does it fall off later. I'v been using with warrior and stacking all the strength. So far it has been the easiest play-thru, have just destroyed everything up until act 2.

[indigo stag]

one of the strongest builds currently uses that

tho it uses metric fuckton of other uniques aswell

and they are not cheap

[neat bison]

Can + energy shield roll on rings?

[thorny token]

yes

[uncut jay]

I have combined these with those gloves that allow me to take skills with strength.

[uncut jay]

Could you link me the build ?

[indigo stag]

you combine that with hand of wisdom and action and black sun crest and just stack int/dex/str with all your passives

dont know any build links, havent used them

[small anvil]

Poe1 days, I think i tried it once

[indigo stag]

I have a feeling that if you need a build link for something like atr stacker builds. you wont have the currency to pull it off, so most likely better off not even trying

[uncut jay]

I'm just currious how something like that looks

[indigo stag]

well. the gloves start at 10+ divs...

[stark lance]

what does improving quality do?

[wet mango]

specifically, phys damage

[uncut jay]

Ok if it is some forbidden knowledge then don't share. Will try to google it.

[neat bison]

Improves base dmg on martial weapons, spirit on sceptres, armor/evasion/energy shield on armor

and no idea for wand/staff

Skill gems also have a specific quality modifier in the skill description

[indigo stag]

just google poe2 pillar of the caged god build... Its not like its some insanely well kept secret 😄

[jaunty flame]

this usable?

im not too sure if + to max energy shield is any useful

[neat bison]

It’s pretty solid catch all amulet

Nothing amazing but usable

[jaunty flame]

Im playing lightning merc, dont have a use for spell damage and energ shield

[olive ibex]

I want to build a poisonos mercenary with a bow, using "Snipe" with poison as the main damage source. I also would like a quick flash or teleport ability for defensive reasons. Does anybody know how to do that skill tree and skill wise? or If that is even possible?
Am new to the skill tree so I would appreciate help

[jaunty flame]

Guess ill sell it off

[jaunty flame]

Any idea what to price it at?

[neat bison]

Idk, not very much, don’t think pricing is really encouraged here

[lucid glade]

Spark build, I got a greater jeweller's orb ... My Spark spell currently has wildshards, pierce and unleash, what should I put for fourth ? Shock Siphon seems nice, or simply cast speed (but I do have enough of that atm else not enough mana regen I guess), maybe neural overload ? What's the general idea here

or fork

or culling strike

I'm confused so many options

lightning pen too

[mystic osprey]

are waves that come off of charged staff projectiles?

[indigo stag]

no projectile tag

[tidal copper]

Search the web I saw at least a clip of something like that floating around

[quasi flint]

do weapon skills make for good "budget" builds? since I assume they'd get extra gem slots based on weapon ilvl?

[indigo stag]

are gemcutters 1% per prism or is it more?

[thorny token]

5

[stark lance]

What does accuracy do?

[fast skiff]

chance to hit monsters with ranged skills tagged as attacks outside of point blank

[neat bison]

It also affects melee

[fast skiff]

it affects melee if your melee range is more then like 2m which is rare I think?

[thorny token]

no it affects all attacks

[neat bison]

Nah the 2m is when you start getting penalized

[fast skiff]

at least when I played through campaign as a monk I don't think I ever missed and I didn't stack acc

[thorny token]

also there are tooltips for this stuff in game now that you can just read btw

[thorny token]

you had dex

[stark lance]

thank you

[thorny token]

warriors can have issues early with accu for example

[fast skiff]

does anyone know is it beneficial to pick up chain and pierce nodes for lightning arrow or does that do basically nothing?

[dawn spire]

Hold alt and hover over accuracy to see what it does

[thorny token]

well with pierce nodes you dont have to link pierce obviously

[dawn spire]

Does it? Evasion says it only applies to strikes and projectiles. Accuracy says it is rolled against evasion. I don't think slams actually need accuracy. Nor do things like area explosions from attack skills

[thorny token]

i would personall grab fork + fork nodes if you are grabbing anyhing

[thorny token]

yes, just like the tooltip says

[fast skiff]

like will this cause the lightning to chain more times when I hit the wall?

[thorny token]

and eva doesnt work against aoe

[dawn spire]

Exactly. And if you use an attack that is neither strike nor projectile, enemies can't evade it either

[neat bison]

According to sunders quality modifier its affected by accuracy

[dawn spire]

Check the evasion tooltip

[dawn spire]

Is sunder a strike?

[neat bison]

It’s a slam

[dawn spire]

Is it a strike?

[neat bison]

But maybe both somehow not in game atm

[dawn spire]

Some skills are both

I think

I can check in a little bit

But as far as I can tell, accuracy only matters if you're using a strike or projectile attack

[slender bone]

How much percentage evasion rating am I looking for to get from the passive tree ?
At what point are there too many Evasion nodes?

[dawn spire]

Depends on your build

[thorny token]

i usually avoid pathing more than 3 points for stats if there isnt anyting else useful around

[dawn spire]

Everything is a tradeoff. If you think you can't get more value out of your tree elsewhere, sure, go ham in evasion nodes

[thorny token]

because its just waste of points

[boreal girder]

I got a question about the duel spec points.
If I use a skill and set it for 1 and 2 does that skill get the bonus from both sets of spec points or only for the weapon set I currently have equipped?

[dry spruce]

did anyone make archmage gemling tree yet ?

[dawn spire]

Only with the set equipped. Setting it to both justmeans it doesn't force a swap when you use it

[slender bone]

Not really helping...
I have an Invoker Ice Strike build. I sit at 83% armor, 92% evasion, capped resistances, 9% chaos res, 1600hp, 400 ES.

[boreal girder]

Ah ok thank you kinda what I thought was hoping it didn’t work that way

[dawn spire]

Imo, it might be worth looking into acrobatics at that point

[indigo stag]

jesuschrist... i accidentally dumped polcirkeln on my 5ex dump tab and i keep getting spammed and spam invited fucking 5 minutes later...

what makes that thing such wanted ring?

[thorny token]

on invoker acro is basically never worth pretty sure

also if you have only 400 es either your gear is bad or you fogrot to take the op es/eva nodes on tree

[dawn spire]

Not even if they can still have like 70% estimated evasion?

[thorny token]

i mean it fucks the second invoker node as well

i domnt rly see why you would

[dawn spire]

Oh, Idk really know ascendancy nodes super well outside of chrono tbh

[thorny token]

it basically makes eva count as pseudo armour too

[slender bone]

I did not invest in ES, except on my helmet, which has more evasion than ES.
What node are you talking about ?

[thorny token]

spectral ward and subterfuge mask

if you dont have those 2 on invoker you are kinda trolling most of the time

(i would say you are trolling if you are skipping them on any right side build but thats more debatable)

[fast skiff]

I'm confused about how lightning arrow works, like it says "cannot chain" but then chaining is built into the skill? Does this mean chain nodes can't affect the skill at all, or they work by default?

[thorny token]

LA has 2 parts

projectile and beam

beam can chain (and has 2 chains by default)

projectile cant

so chain stuff can affect beam, cant affect proj, pretty simple

[fast skiff]

is the beam triggered when the arrow pierces an enemy, or only when it hits and stops?

[thorny token]

when it hits enemy in any way

doesnt need to stop

[stark lance]

Why is it that in act 2 cruel I was avg around 23m xp per hr but in act 3 im avg around 15m

[indigo stag]

clear speed suffered and/or shit mob density

[thorny token]

it is more complex than that if the xp penalties are anything like poe1

[median linden]

The default delay for start of ES recharge is 4 seconds. If i'm at 271% faster start of ES recharge, what's the new delay?

[slender bone]

I don't have those.
I dropped Subterfuge Mask in favor of High Alert, because I only have 167 ES on my Helmet.
My helmet has 421 Evasion and 167 ES.
And I forgot about Spectral Ward, which is dumb of me because I have 1900 Evasion on my body armour.

[thorny token]

yea you basically want pure es helmet and hybrid eva/es body

and those 2 nodes ideally

that should give you around 2k+ es easily most likely

[tidal copper]

My bet is 1.48*

[thorny token]

its 4 / 3.71

[slender bone]

Would you say that I can switch my helmet with a better one without investing anything more ?

[thorny token]

so would be 1.08s delay

[manic quest]

Yo i just completed normal acts - need to start minmaxing for endgame and gear towards it as a Ranger. Does anyone have a good guideline for prioritization or a great build to get to?

[median linden]

Thank you!

[wintry lintel]

https://maxroll.gg/poe2/passive-tree/9t6kh0vd How do think i spec this build or can i change some things

[median linden]

Was that a website calculator I can bookmark?

[sour shuttle]

Is this god tier physical or no?

[wintry lintel]

its called chatgpt

go use it :D

[median linden]

Fuck no

[thorny token]

the math is just recharge / ((100 + percentage) / 100)

its very simple math

[wintry lintel]

yeah

chatgpt overcomplicated things

[wintry lintel]

could i get help with this

what abilites could i use

[thorny token]

most likely yea, you could even skip the life roll in favour of es easily

as es is more valuable anyway

and im assuming you use ghost dance

and if not use ghost dance

[remote narwhal]

Chronomacer or stormweaver

[thorny token]

and also grim feast ideally

[tidal copper]

The +1 is important when dividing the percentage
That's the base 100% I guess?

[wintry lintel]

stormweaver i guess

[remote narwhal]

For a spark sorc

[thorny token]

yes

[wintry lintel]

a spark sorc could be good

i dont feel like this build is giving me enought damage'/

[slender bone]

I do, yes. I can easily take Gream Feast as well. THank you

[astral willow]

I must be missing something with spark builds. Every time I try one they feel super weak

[remote narwhal]

That's my crt atm at lvl 20

And fun times 1 honor start to finish boss fight.

[wintry lintel]

is controller fun?

[remote narwhal]

Kinda

Just don't play monk

[thorny token]

as long as you dont have to manage inventory controller is great :d

[remote narwhal]

Bell won't drop when u want it.

[thorny token]

when you do its garbanzo

[remote narwhal]

Yep

[wintry lintel]

having problem when bossing

[remote narwhal]

Not really.

[stone fog]

Is there something that’s kind of more defensively minded rather than all out aggro wild style? I’m thinking some kind of chronomancer would fit the bill but I’m not sure.

[thorny token]

arc i guess is only option here, other lightning skills that arent spark are garbage and you arent grabbing proj speed and duration here

[remote narwhal]

Conduit isn't bad.

[thorny token]

conduit self cast is absolute dogshit

if you trigger it its fine i guess

[remote narwhal]

Just have to have a good shock.

[fading pine]

which one will be better for ice monk?

[thorny token]

but that still means you need trigger skill for it which would be arc here i guess

[remote narwhal]

Ball lightning.

Over that

More shock chance

And can flame wall it still

[wintry lintel]

im starting a sorc with that build

[remote narwhal]

So the dmg isn't that bad.

[wintry lintel]

i might need help with some skill setups

[remote narwhal]

But if I did ball I'd go chronomacer

[thorny token]

bl actually has lower shock chance than arc as even with the more shock mod it does less

[remote narwhal]

Just for the 50% cast speed.

[thorny token]

but it hits more so its fine

[remote narwhal]

Yea

[thorny token]

but for BL you also want reduced proj speed that he isnt grabbing either

[wet mango]

no, slams explicitly say they are not strikes

[remote narwhal]

Why I said Chrono.

Less cast time means more thrown out.

[thorny token]

eh chrono is just too bad ascendancuy

for that to be worth it

[remote narwhal]

Why is that??

[thorny token]

because if you arent abusing some heavy cooldown stuff the asc just has nothing on it

compared to stuff like stormweaver

that gets double shock fukcton of surge effect and perma surge

[wet mango]

The best reading I can have of this (along with Sunder indicating that it interacts with accuracy) is that

• Accuracy is needed to hit with all Attacks (incl slams and AoE).
• Evasion only works against attacker's Accuracy in the case of Proj and Strikes.
  So for AoE Attacks (incl Slams), the Accuracy still matters but Evasion doesn't.

cc @thorny token @neat bison ^

[dawn spire]

weird. I also cannot screenshot while holding alt easily, but yeah, Sunder is not a strike and yet its quality bonus is reduced accuracy penalty at a distance. I wish GGG would shed some light on this.

Does accuracy affect player slams or not?

[dawn spire]

but accuracy is only a limiting factor because enemies have evasion

like, if an enemy can't evade an attack, you can have 0 accuracy and still hit

[wet mango]

no, there's also mlvl as a factor

[wet mango]

"can't evade" is different from 0 evasion rating

mlvl clvl is also a factor (isn't it?)
EDIT: apparently not in poe1

[thorny token]

base evasion of enemies depends on their level

that is the only way its a factor

[remote narwhal]

Seems more like it would be good for a warrior than sorcerer.

Hammer of the gods spam.

[thorny token]

well you can do hammer on sorc still

[wet mango]

i mean, i guess it works differently in poe2

[thorny token]

you can do bunch of other stuff too

but yea

its kinda niche asc

[dawn spire]

unless there is some evasion-independent formula for an attack's chance to hit in poe2, I can't see how slams could ever miss based on the tooltips we have

[thorny token]

i think the tooltips are wrong if slams can miss

[wet mango]

there is nothing in the thing that (explicilty) says you have to have evasion rating apply in order to evade

[thorny token]

also the enemy eva might simply not be same as player eva

because enemies cant evade spells right

but players can

[wet mango]

hmmm

[dawn spire]

Accuracy is specifically checked against evasion

[wet mango]

yeah it might also just be player accuracy vs monster accuracy

and player evasion vs monster evasion

like, in the accuracy tooltip, it exlicitly says that player accuracy has a distance penalty beyond 2m

meaning monster accu doesn't

[remote narwhal]

Yea

[wet mango]

so already we know they can work in diff ways

[dawn spire]

if someone is using a slam in their build, can they check their skill page and see what their chance to hit is?

[wet mango]

so maybe players can't evade AoE but monsters can, thus players need accu even for aoe

[thorny token]

well this doesnt mean monsters dont have accu penalty based on distance

[terse escarp]

Does momentum support gem work with flicker strike since its described as a teleport?

[thorny token]

its just not mentioned right

just like its not mentioned enemy eva cant avoid spells

[dawn spire]

no, teleporting/blinking doesn't work for momentum. I'd double check the wording on both

[wet mango]

ehhhh this feels like an "exception that proves the rule" situation
the first paragraph talks about accuracy in general. Why would the second paragraph specify "player and minion accuracy" if it also applied for monsters?

[dawn spire]

oh that's a good point actually

though I suppose it just says that spells are not attacks and that would imply accuracy does nothing

[terse escarp]

Flicker strike says “teleport to an enemy and strike them” momentum says “teleportation does not count towards the distance traveled”

[thorny token]

yea i guess, but it also doesnt have to mention monsters because the tooltip is explaining player stat so it might be there to also include player minions and thats about it

[dawn spire]

yep, looks like it doesn't work then

[terse escarp]

Unfortunate, thanks

[thorny token]

anyway im pretty sure stuff like gas arrow explosion can never miss for example from playing it, but the explosion simply might not be tied to the original attack in first place

but gas clouds have some weird rules in general it also might simply just be bugged

[wintry lintel]

should i run both taut and loose flesh or just 1

[thorny token]

ele damage felt a lot more common in this game

and if you are grabing the ele recoup

might as well grab phys one too

as its only 2 points

[wintry lintel]

yeah

[wet mango]

it's not +10%, its 10% incr

[thorny token]

beause its combined wth all other existing increases you already have

[slender bone]

I am stupid.
What passive percentage increase do I have if my character has 14010 evasion without the helmet and 16045 with it on ?
The helmet has 421 evasion.

[wet mango]

incr/more/+ are 3 different types of modifers that all work differently

[thorny token]

around 400%?

there are some bugs with the tooltips but this isnt one

[wet mango]

we just explained it

[thorny token]

you probably already haev like 100% inc or more

[wet mango]

10% increased gets combined with all the other increased values. you probably have 2-300%increased already

[frosty arrow]

found both of these today. I think the game really wants me to do some sort of triple stat build

[thorny token]

if there is nothing behind it

then no

[wet mango]

you take small nodes to get to notables (the medium nodes)

[thorny token]

grabbing random small passives is generally not worth

[wet mango]

generally small nodes aren't worth taking in their own right

[wintry lintel]

what would be good supports for spark?

do i grab acceleration for spark?

[thorny token]

yes

you want proj speed an dduration

i mean that fire node paths to cremation

[stark lance]

which orb is it again that removes a modifier and replaces it with another

[thorny token]

and bunch of pen on smalls after too

so thatsone of the nodes that is def worth grabbing

but volcanic skin isnt

as the smalls before it are gonna suck for demon form

so its just trash

yea

[wintry lintel]

considerderd casting?

[thorny token]

not good

[wintry lintel]

or controlled destruction

[uncut patrol]

Fellow Infernalists minions! I gained my first two ascendancy points (i think i lost a gasket organ doing that), Do i spend it straight on infernal loyal hounds or there are more important routes to go first?

[wet mango]

do you ignite enemies often?

[thorny token]

considered is fine

also assuming you are high stack demon form build right

if yes then basically all increases on tree are just worthless

unless its like 50% or so

then i might consider it

so you are mostly interested in pen, cast speed, maybe ailments

and exposure if you dont have enough pen

and defenses obviously

[wintry lintel]

is overcharge good for my spark?

[thorny token]

they are but its not worth over just sitting it out a bit imo

[wintry lintel]

for more damage

[thorny token]

downside of demon form sucks at start oh well

but its def not optmal to try and fix that

[thorny token]

no

[wintry lintel]

or maby peirce?

[balmy knot]

fuck is this saying i cant tell if im just tired or what

[thorny token]

you can grab pierce but it kinda sucks, just get mana tempest qual and spam that for clear

more jewels ez

ideally demon form is just adorned jewel stacking in the end anyway isnt it

[indigo stag]

you use less flask charges to activate the flask and you gain more flask charges from kills etc

[summer owl]

God I fcking hate every single PoE2 build guide website right now.
It's all blogspam bulls*it. Seriously, just google it.

I just want to know the mechanics of how Crossbow works and what each support gem does for each gem skill.

I don't want you to pitch me some build that you just copied from someone else while shoving 400 ads into my face.

[thorny token]

if you just want to look at gems just look at poe2db

[wet mango]

are you looking for a basic guide on xbow or a build guide?

[summer owl]

That's not what I said.

[wet mango]

the game explains crossbows fairly well I thought

[thorny token]

it does yes

[wet mango]

the support gems explain exactrly what they do

[wintry lintel]

arcane surge is not gonna proc alot when using archmage right?

[pearl sluice]

ways to get zealoths oath, if i cant get it on tree? or non existent?

[thorny token]

poe2db also has tooltips from game too

[indigo stag]

and most of the builds make zero sense... Yeah sure your t16 ez pez supercarry mode build stacks %inc ES on tree while using EB+MOM...

[wet mango]

if you need additional help can ask here

[summer owl]

I am asking for a guide on how crossbow works. The tooltips for each gem and support gem is a bit ambigious I am confused over the numbers and the descriptions

[wet mango]

can you give more precise question

it's hard to approach "i don't know how this work"

[summer owl]

Sure.
For instance

[thorny token]

i do agree that the interfaces for those websites are garbage

they always were

but thats why its just pob2 waiting room anyway

lul

[wet mango]

crossbows: you use the ammo skill, that loads it into the gun crossbow. Then you use "shoot" skill to shoot

[summer owl]

What is the difference between Permafrost Boltsand Ice Shard

They are both shotgun
They are both Ice

But why does one do way more dmg than the other?

[thorny token]

it says on the gem

[wet mango]

well you can see how they work

[summer owl]

Jesus christ.

[thorny token]

it has damage effectiveness on it

[wet mango]

they have different damage effectiveness

and they shoot differently

[summer owl]

What does that mean

[wet mango]

on the skill gem, permafrost bolt has like... 25% damage effect right

that means

your basic attack is, say, 200 dmg. Then permafrost bolt projectile will do 50 damage

but it shoots 10 shards

[summer owl]

Sorry how do I get the gem skill list up without having a gem?
I can get my gems up but I want that view that has all of them.

[wintry lintel]

tis good

[summer owl]

Also is "reload" a cooldown?

[wet mango]

you cannot

(EA game, yadda yadda)

[thorny token]

thast why i refereed you to poe2db

[summer owl]

Np, thanks for explaining

[thorny token]

where you can just go through all of them

[wet mango]

no. it is reload

[slender bone]

I can't make ChatGPT help me with this calculus :))). It just can't do it

[wet mango]

use poe2db

[summer owl]

What affects reload speed?
Because I am supposed to freeze enemies and then switch to shotgun but by the time I switch to shotgun they are unfrozen.

[wet mango]

however, ice shards is differnt, it loads a magazine with like 10(?) smth bullets, and firest them in sequence

[indigo stag]

How do chance orbs work now? Do i need to use the exact white base for the unique i am gambling for, or can it just be any of that same item slot?

[wet mango]

each bullet has the sepcificed damage effectiveness. and then, they ALSO can explode later, for more damage

[summer owl]

Aaaah Ice Shards isn't a shotgun?

[thorny token]

well its simple math, divine the difference by value on helmet lul

[wet mango]

each skill has a mini video

that you can watch

[summer owl]

Sorry where on https://poe2db.tw/us/Skill_Gems do I get the same view as in-game for the skill gems for crossbow

[summer owl]

Yeah it doesn't work for me 😭

[thorny token]

poe2db vids do not work sadly

https://poe2db.tw/us/Lightning_Arrow

but you can just click on gem

and hover all tooltips like in game too

[summer owl]

I meant in-game.

[wet mango]

it works just fine for me

[summer owl]

No I meant the list of them not each individual

How did you get to that one?

[wet mango]

search "ammunition"

[thorny token]

https://poe2db.tw/us/Skill_Gems#SkillGemsGemcutting or go here

[thorny token]

that one has categoies

like in game

[wet mango]

shrug the videos work for me

[thorny token]

browser issue i guess

they worked for a bit for me

then stopped

[wet mango]

huhn weird

[stark lance]

does the glove modifer that adds a certain elemental damage to attacks count for spells?

[wet mango]

attacks are not spells

they are mutually exclusive

[stark lance]

is it possible to get spell dmg on gloves

[thorny token]

https://poe2db.tw/us/Gloves_int#ModifiersCalc

[wintry lintel]

is this a good link

[thorny token]

you also want persistance

and shock siphon on main skill is pretty bad

[wintry lintel]

ok ill change that

[thorny token]

lightning mastery is meh surely there better support for you too

[halcyon solar]

If you would take the Atlas tree nodes with like "increase the explicit modifiers". This also applies to the negative effects like monsters dealing more damage ofc aswell, right?

[thorny token]

and exposure also should be on utility most likely

like oos and shit

[thorny token]

yes

[wintry lintel]

what do i change

what do i replace exposure with

[halcyon solar]

doesn't sound all that great then. Think other nodes provide better value then.

[thorny token]

arcane tempo for example

[wintry lintel]

what should i use on rares and bosses as a ability

[thorny token]

effect of modifiers is usually one of the best stats

it increases difficulty sure but also quant and rarity and zone rariry is i think still multiplicative with player rarity right

[halcyon solar]

I mean I'm meanwhile doing T15 maps and the only thing that kills me is when i stack the monster dmg too high.

[thorny token]

well that just means you have to make your build stronger :d

[wintry lintel]

i saw a guy running chaos immo and MoM why would you want chaos immo

to not worry about the chaos dots?

[thorny token]

if you have good mana recovery and are also using EB

then CI is free

so yea why not take it for chaos immune

i wouldnt click CI without the unique mana flask on mana build tho

but with it no reason not to

[wintry lintel]

it looks silly having 1 hp and 0 Es lmfao

[thorny token]

yea but 100% mom strong :d

life is kinda worthless in this game outside of maybe str stack

i plan to go CI on my deadeye eventually as well

[halcyon solar]

I just can't for the love of god find a singled Citadel. What do they even look like in case i just haven't recognized them?

[wintry lintel]

https://maxroll.gg/poe2/planner/caeye0hz running this build

[remote narwhal]

Is it possible to do the same skill different supports with cast on??

[vale heart]

is this like a flat 40% spell damage or 40% of total damage increase?

[thorny token]

40% more, so if you do 1000 damage with it you do 1400, pretty simple

on average that support is 20% more damage, gets worse with cull on top etc but yea

[vale heart]

what Im asking is if it behaves like support tree passive or if its a multiplier at teh end. That would be a very big difference

[thorny token]

oh wait its worse than that didnot realized LL in poe2 is 35% life

lul

[thorny token]

the difference is "increased" and "more"

increased has diminishing returns and is added together

more is multiplied with eachother

tree can also have more damage etc, bu usually its increased damage

[vale heart]

ah I see so its quite huge then getting 40% on top of the final dmg

[remote narwhal]

Just since we are on that subject atm

[thorny token]

you can slap same skill as you are using on cast on but idk if you can slap multiple copies of same skill on same cast on

it woul also be pointless anyway

because of energy

[remote narwhal]

Kinda yes and no

[summer owl]

Is there a site that shows what support gems goes into which skill. I fucked up a bit and mixed things a bit.
I am using Mercenary + Crossbow, I don't want a full blown guide. Just like here's somewhat optimal support gem to the right gem

[remote narwhal]

I had a way to deal with the energy portion.

[summer owl]

Does support gems work with my ballista

[thorny token]

poe2db shows you what can be supported by what but theres no site that will pick support for you atm

but it shows same stuff as in game and those things als arent entirely accurate

[old panther]

anyone know if the lightning archmage stormw is bad? im starting to
choose what to go to

[sterile stone]

just go with minion, its like giga easy for new player

[covert moon]

hi there, can someone help me increase my damage if someone has an idea ? against bosses mostly, i'm playing ice shot but doing like ~30k damage on crit with it, bosses takes an eternity 😦

I don't know how to link my build tho lol

[summer owl]

How do I translate that to some actual number?

if it says 20% of Base what is it based on?
Weapon dmg the stat on the weapon?

[old panther]

minion?

[thorny token]

20% of all flat damage you have

[summer owl]

Also how do I know if my support gem work on a ballista/turret?

[thorny token]

whcih includes weapon, flat from gear etc

[summer owl]

oh ok

[sterile stone]

yeah, witch > infernalist, arsonist

you can find a lot of guides for it in youtube

[old panther]

any chance i can dm a yt vid i found, and tell me if its good idea to go to?

[summer owl]

Does anyone have a guide that tells you what support gems use to which gem for crossbow? I am a bit confused

Also which sites are good and which sites are blogspam garbage?
IGN, Game Rant, Fextralife, etc.

[vivid crown]

are there any modifiers to do with minions that i can get on my boots or gloves?

[calm orchid]

YouTube is your best bet

[summer owl]

I've tried, it's... trash to. A bunch of spam videos.

[calm orchid]

I haven’t played merc otherwise I’d help

[clear sluice]

What a good ES annoint for a South bound gemling

[wet mango]

No becaus ther is no optimal. Depends entirely on how you combine your skills and how you scale

[wet mango]

If they apply, yes. Read the supports.

E.g. some will say "support any skill that hits" so yes it work with ballista.

[summer owl]

I just like a simple guide, I've messed up and moved things around and now I am confused.

[clear sluice]

Pick a damage skill, match the damage type with supports. Match status types with support, etc. You can clear campaign on intuition alone

[wet mango]

Combined base damage
Which is weapon damage + flat dmg from everywhere else

[hollow hedge]

So the tooltip for projectiles says that any one target will only be hit by one projectile from a given skill/spell... Is that true? And does that include stuff like spell echo/cascade?

[summer owl]

I have a bow with low dmg that gives +2 to all skill gems.
How much dmg is that worth, heh? When do I know to switch the weapon?

[wet mango]

Ballista uses attacks so the first one works.
The 2nd one says "supports any skill that deals damage" so ballista also works.
The 3rd one supports ammunition skills, ballista is not an ammunition skill.

[wet mango]

Everything you listed is blogspam

[thorny token]

when fired at once

so barrages can still hit multiple times, spell echo too

spell cascade is not projectile support

[wet mango]

"created at the same time".

[uncut patrol]

Fellow minion infernalists, I just obtained first 2 ascendancy points, is it a priority to go summon infernal hounds or there are more important nodes to go for minion build?

[vivid crown]

are there any modifiers to do with minions that i can get on my boots or gloves?

[wet mango]

You can see how much the dmg effectiveness changes with lvl
So like if the dmg of your skill goes from 25 to 27%, that's like 8% more damage