2┃build-planning

[analog gale]

it should be like 40% faster

idk

might be bugged

[oak stream]

Yeah it's just not working for some reason. I'll try to record

[rain dust]

Oof. OK.

[round arrow]

is gale force a physical dmg ?

[round escarp]

AoF is great though

[sullen dagger]

does "minions have less reservation" affect auras with the minion tag

[round escarp]

Just get some gain DMG to make up for it

Or EDWA

[atomic halo]

yeah im taking avatar of fire too

i guess i just eat the 25% penalty on hotg

its fine cuz it still oneshots

[analog gale]

i feel like there arent a lot of interesting spells

[warped bay]

wasn't there a search button for support gems?

[rain dust]

Why are alchemy orbs more uncommon then exalts? After 2 characters I only found maybe 3

[vague kelp]

when should i get acrobatics? i have 87% evasion with dodge roll

[oak stream]

You can see on this video I generate 3 frenzy charges, then ferocity support consumes charges, but after charges are gone there is no change in the skill speed. With the support consuming charges I have the same speed as normal. I also tested with other skills but had no success so far

[analog gale]

iirc acrobatics just lets you evade aoes

so like if you can just run out from the aoe you dont really need it

[vague kelp]

so those balls or spells which mobs usually send (like a missle/projectile) dont count as aoe?

[valid palm]

Do we have a confirmed damage formula for PoE2?

[soft lake]

Damage formula in what sense?

[onyx vessel]

I looked and you're right, there's definitely no difference. Very strange

[valid palm]

As in, how exactly damage is calculated and how each stat affects it.

[oak stream]

I really wanna start making the build to speed up buffed SCS and see how it goes but it seems it's just not working at all, at least for warrior skills that I've tested. Does anyone use ferocity support and if it's working at all on their character?

[soft lake]

Base damage -> conversions + extra damage gains -> multiply by (increased + increased + increased, etc) * more * more * more * more

And then factor in crit wherever you fancy really

[pearl sluice]

Could anyone help me with something? I've been doing trials of accendancy and chaos but still can't get the extra points for skill tree. Wat am I suppose to do?

[valid palm]

What's the difference between extra damage gains and increased thingies?

[soft lake]

Extra is stuff like "gain 10% of damage as physical damage". Increased is just all the "%increased X damage" on the skill tree

[valid palm]

So, for example, increased spell damage and increased cold damage stack multiplicatively?

[soft lake]

They share a "damage bucket"

So if you have 50% increased spell damage and 25% increased cold damage, that's 75% increased damage total (assuming all your damage is cold)

So you multiply by 1.75

[valid palm]

So they are stacked additively.

[soft lake]

You add them together to make a single multiplier

[valid palm]

So if I have a list of these damage increasing stats, right.

[last patio]

is clarity always active if slotted on temporal rift? rift says it's persistent, but it's not toggleable, which is how persistent is described

[valid palm]

Which of these form a single damage bucket, and which of these go "%Increased X damage"?

So the spell, cold and fire damage go into this bucket, stacking additively to form a single multiplier.

But what about the other damage increases?

[oak stream]

Does anyone have an idea why ferocity support gem seems "bugged" for me? Has it worked for anyone?

[static plinth]

Every single increase is additive

Even conditional ones

[soft lake]

Well the increased cold damage will only apply to the cold portion of your damage, and the increased fire damage will only apply to the fire portion

But yeah, it all goes into one damage bucket

[valid palm]

Mhm, got it.

But what about the "%increased X damage" then?

If there's none of it, then what is it even?

[soft lake]

Oh, that's just a generic, shorthand way of writing "x% increased damage with spells/attacks/cold damage/fire damage/etc"

[valid palm]

So we basically get a single multiplier out of all of these which we then use to multiply the previous stage of the damage calculations.

[soft lake]

Yep

[analog gale]

i find it funny that burden of shadows has sigil of power on it

[spiral moth]

Does this work even if you convert energy shield into mana?`

[analog gale]

a skill which works by having you spend a lot of mana

[soft lake]

And then you also get "more" damage, where each individual instance of it is its own multiplier (and is therefore typically quite a bit stronger)

[valid palm]

And then crit damage takes this new calculated damage value as the base for calculating the final crit amount.

[analog gale]

and then burden of shadows stops you from spending your mana

is there a way to spend mana that isnt on skill costs?

i dont think mind over matter counts as spending it

[soft lake]

Yeah, crit damage will account for all of the increases and %more and act as an additional multiplier on that (if you roll a crit successfully)

[valid palm]

So if I were to hit 200 and got a crit, it would become 400, even though my base damage is like 100.

[onyx vessel]

@soft lake when you say multiplicatively, do you mean:

My 100 dmg weapon does a strike (100%dmg) and I have two +12% melee damage nodes. Does this mean 100x1.12x1.12= 125.44 or 100x1.24=124?

[valid palm]

Second one.

[soft lake]

Well crit damage is its ownstat that you can modify. It's possible to make your crits do four times the damage, for instance

[onyx vessel]

Sorry about asterisks lmao I have to keep editing them

[soft lake]

The second one, yeah. For increased damage anyway (such as what you'd find on the skill tree)

[valid palm]

Yeah, I know. I'm just talking about the base numbers.

I wanted to make sure that my understanding of the damage calculations is correct.

[soft lake]

More (which is largely restricted to support gems) is multiplicative. So 25% more damage and another 25% more damage = 1.25*1.25=1.5625

[glad mist]

Just dropped this from pinnacle breach boss, it’s insane for int stackers whatt

[onyx vessel]

Ohhh

Wait so they actually carefully use the terms "increased" and "more"? It's not arbitrary?

[glad mist]

Imagine having like 600 int

[static plinth]

Yes

[soft lake]

Correct!

[valid palm]

Speaking of conversions, 25% of my BASE cold damage will be added as fire damage, right? And THEN the fire damage multiplier will apply.

[static plinth]

They're keywords that mean things

[onyx vessel]

Okay thanks so much. I can see how they're keywords but it doesn't seem indicated in any way lol

[soft lake]

Yeah, this is correct. So none of the increased cold damage on your tree/gear will affect the fire damage at all

[static plinth]

There are NO arbitrary words in descriptions

[onyx vessel]

Reminds me of MtG card text

[obsidian grove]

is there any mana flask that would be helpful for blood magic builds?

[static plinth]

Like "When you use" is important. It means you can't use a Triggered spell to gain the effect

[valid palm]

Got it, got it.

[soft lake]

GGG's CEO owns a Black Lotus, so the inspiration is definitely there

[onyx vessel]

That's dope. Big respect

[spiral moth]

do you know how Archmage interacts with the ring that converts lightning damage to cold damage?

[static plinth]

Doesnt work :(

[spiral moth]

oh lol

[static plinth]

Gain As Extra cant be converted, apparently

[spiral moth]

ty

broken game

[valid palm]

By the way, speaking of freeze buildup. As far as I know once the enemy is frozen their freeze threshold is increased (temporarily?). I wanted to know how long does the increased threshold last or whether it even works like that.

[spiral moth]

proly nobody knows since it was changes this patch

[static plinth]

Its permanent afaik

[valid palm]

So each single freeze is harder to get off?

[static plinth]

Yeah

Might be wrong, might only be a short duration to prevent freeze stunlocks

[valid palm]

Judging by the patch notes, it is only a duration.

But I just wanted to make sure.

I mean, how it was before the patch notes anyway?

There was some sort of increase in threshold, right?

[soft lake]

I'm not sure if we have raw numbers for the freeze threshold change - I'm sure people will test it at some point. But I get the impression it's a temporary reduction in freeze build up, yeah

I think there was a temporary reduction before today's patch, too, and they just increased its effect

[brisk hemlock]

Can Acolyte of Chayula add chaos dmg to minions or is it just for self?

[soft lake]

I would assume only for himself

[valid palm]

Thanks!

[soft lake]

There is some more stuff at the end of the damage formula, by the way

Relating to debuffing enemies and piercing their resistances

There's another damage bucket - "increased damage taken" - that comes from debuffs on enemies. For instance, shock will apply increased damage taken to enemies. So if you shock for 15%, that's a 1.15x multiplier

This is separate to you dealing increased damage - this is the enemy taking 15% increased damage

[static spade]

Is there any build that is a mix Attacker and spell?

[onyx vessel]

This is all so good to know you're killing it with the breakdowns loob

How does "Adds # to # to attacks" work in the calc?

[soft lake]

Finally my PhD in Path Of Exile is useful!

[onyx vessel]

Because I know it's super pivotal on items yet not the extent

[soft lake]

This is something you basically add to your weapon's base damage. So if your weapon deals 100-120 physical damage, for instance, and you get 10-15 added physical damage, then you can treat it as a combined 110-135 physical damage

Which you'd then convert, multiply, etc

Basically, it goes at the start

[valid palm]

Now that I think of it, does this mean that I will be able to ignite frozen enemies with cold skills? I mean, it's not going to be easy to proc the ignite, since my main damage source would be cold, but it still would be possible, right?

[onyx vessel]

Oh wow that's pretty insane. I see how like 20-30 added phys can really pump a wep then

[royal kayak]

is there any viable way to level with DoTs or am i gonna destroy my leveling experience ?

[brisk hemlock]

Does attack damage also include bow/crossbow?

[soft lake]

In theory, yeah. Although ignite has higher chance to be applied the higher the fire damage is relative to the enemies' ailment thresholds (which is based on their health) so you may struggle to ignite consistently against stronger enemies

[soft lake]

Yep

[brisk hemlock]

Spells? (prob not?)

[soft lake]

Spells are not attacks, no. If you look at the tags for skills on the skill screen, it'll tell you what types they are!

[onyx vessel]

And hold Alt!!!

[valid palm]

That much is expected, I just wanted to know whether it's possible, since I'm running this node. It's a small damage increase, but pretty much a free one, whenever an ignite procs.

[last patio]

can someone explain to me why a lot of people are suddenly buying a lot of my shit for 3x the going rate on poe trade?

[soft lake]

Yeah, if you're a cold build you'll have chill consistently, freeze sometimes and ignite sometimes so that node's fairly decent at the worst of times, and very good at best!

[analog gale]

tho you can just cast flame wall to guarantee an ignite

[soft lake]

This is also true

[analog gale]

theres also an amulet that just ignites everything around you

[coral finch]

thoughts on these 2? i debate rolling exalted on the +mele skills gloves, i'd lose some attack from crit/lightning on hit and the 50% armor/10% cold resist idk

[soft lake]

Yep, although I'd say that's a wasted amulet slot if you're just using it to enable 15% increased damage!

[analog gale]

wait no

its not an amulet

its a helmet

[soft lake]

Yeah, that's the one. Although it's not good for a cold build either way!

[analog gale]

light radius

[coral finch]

(cold/lightning monk btw)

[analog gale]

this seems interesting

[coral finch]

that looks like a dope cosmetic

[soft lake]

I would say that neither is spectacular, but the life on the right set is probably better

[zinc quarry]

whats the best way to get jewelers orbs? i have literally seen zero and i just finished act 3

[analog gale]

ah right it benefits minion stuff that buffs allies in your presence

[coral finch]

fair almost 100 life vs 50% armor/evasion and i gain chaos resist going into cruel, hmm

[gritty summit]

It is now more difficult to chain-freeze enemies, by reducing the amount of Freeze Buildup applied after a Freeze has been applied.

Does this mean the target gets a buff against freeze buildup even after the target has thawed or does it mean it's only harder to gain freeze buildup on already frozen enemies? As in does this effect wear off completely once the target thaws?

[analog gale]

could be good with doryanis prototype

[static plinth]

Alpha's is just great in general

[rough kelp]

is there anything that consumes pin?

[soft lake]

Well the armour on the right set is higher anyway. But the +1 melee gems should be decent damage if you're a melee build. and you can add a socket if you need the resists

[analog gale]

wait

does critical weakness increase base crit chance?

[coral finch]

what's the point of giving everything around you equal lightning resist if lightning resist no longer affects damage taken...?

[analog gale]

thats for you

[valid palm]

Also, got a couple of things to ask about mana pool and energy shield.
First of all, any flat increase to the energy shield whether it comes from items or nodes goes towards the base shield, right? Which is then used to calculate the %increased maximum energy shield, correct?
Second, what exactly contributes to the base mana pool? So that I know what % increased maximum mana uses as base.

[analog gale]

the enemies take more damage based on your negative lightning resistance

[hearty silo]

The lightning resist no longer affects lightning damage taken only applies to you

[coral finch]

ahh

[static plinth]

The idea with Doryani's is get -200% res so enemies take 200% more lightning damage

But its hard to get that depending on the state o fthe game

Rn it seems really hard, i only see like 110% with self-curse Conductivity

Though thats still good

[analog gale]

ive got a stupid idea that probably doesnt work

what if you have three people and two have conduit

i assume conduit probably doesnt apply to charges gained from another conduit

[static plinth]

Im pretty sure the second person doesnt send it to the other person

yeah

[analog gale]

that or you make infinite charges

[hearty silo]

If you get eldritch battery, and the nodes right next to it, which give increases energy shield from equipped focus, does that mean you get more mana from your focus' base energy shield?

[tidal furnace]

Quick Question Before I delete this character, How does Archmage interact with bloodmage?

[tawny kindle]

I am warrior lv 20 i have issues with bosses which skill good with boss ?

[robust radish]

is there any way to see my chance to shock anywhere?

[tidal furnace]

@robust radish nope

its calculated based on the damage you deel and changes with each enemy type and level

[royal kayak]

is there any viable way to level with DoTs or am i gonna destroy my leveling experience ?

[soft lake]

Correct. It's worth noting that "increased energy shield" on items is a local modifier, and therefore applies as a modifier to that item's base value. See this random example item; the circled energy shield value being blue means it's been affected by the modifiers on the item. So it's this 39 energy shield that would then be affected by you picking up "increased energy shield" on the passive tree

Getting flat mana on the tree or items contributes to you base mana pool. So this example item has "+26 to maximum mana" - this would then be multiplied by any increases to maximum mana you pick up on the passive tree (or on any items that have increased maximum mana as a stat)

[valid palm]

What about intelligence? Does it contribute to the base mana pool too?

[hearty silo]

You have 0 mana. X% of extra lightning damage for each 100 max mana means you'll get 0% extra lightning damage

[hot cobalt]

Hey everyone, so you know how archmage gem uses like 6% of your max mana to cast spells? Is it possible for it to be reduced by Those passive tree nodes? The one that say “4% reduced mana cost”

[hearty silo]

Yes

[hot cobalt]

Yes int contributes to base mana

[soft lake]

Yeah, any source of +mana will count

[tidal furnace]

@hearty silo no not blood magic, Blood mage the ascendency

[hot cobalt]

Fucking awesomeeee ty

[valid palm]

I suppose I can consider it to be the general rule of thumb that any flat increases contribute to the base number?

[frigid vapor]

Ok sewiously what's the latest merc hotness after the buffs? Voltaic and shockburst?

[soft lake]

Yep!

[glossy shell]

i guess i'll ask here

[valid palm]

Are there item modifiers that give me a flat increase to my mana then?

[glossy shell]

i'm wanting to roll a new starter build. is lightning arrow any good or should i consider something else

i have basically no money. my highest char is level 5.

[soft lake]

Yeah, see the item I showed as an example above! It has +26 to maximum mana on it

[valid palm]

Ah, right. I only paid attention to the shield value.

[zinc quarry]

whats the best way to get jewelers orbs? i just finished act 3 and i have seen literally zero the entire game

[soft lake]

Your options really are to just keep playing, or trade for one if you feel desperate

[vivid laurel]

i just want to confirm these 2 symbols mean that the enemy is both chilled and ignited correct?

[soft lake]

The one on the left is freeze build up - when it reaches 100% the enemy will freeze

[static plinth]

They're ignited, but not chilled. That's your Freeze buildup

Or is the -25% chill

[hearty silo]

poe2db.tw will answer those questions. Modifiers -> modifiers link. Lazuli rings by default give extra flat mana, but poe2db will tell you all the explicit modifiers you can get on a piece of gear.

[vivid laurel]

lightning exposure.

[soft lake]

And then ignite, shock, lightning exposure, shock again

[valid palm]

Thanks, thanks!

[vivid laurel]

yeah im playing a lighting build and looking at the nodes that say if i have ignited recently i do 30% more dmg. and there is one for chill and shock.

figured if i can get all three thats a easy 90% inc dmg.

[shut umbra]

Hello everyone. Thanks for taking a moment to check my question.
I’m maining a warrior and I’m doing a very traditional Tank build with the main focus on armor / resistances / block chance on one hand and high stun rate on the other. I’m tanking for friends who are casters and all I do is keep the mobs / bosses stationary for 80-90% of the fight and stun them while my mates melt faces. No armor break needed, no damage needed either. Just an RP build of a Warrior Pure Tank.

That being said, I wanted to ask a few questions about stuns. So I became a Titan, and I was wondering which skills grant the best stun build up. So far, it’s been the Shield Charge, however as I’m looking at the Titan tree, it seems that I should resort to slams for stunning. Is there a point where I should move from Shield Charge to a Slam attack (like Rolling Slam or some-such)? Or is there a way to turn Shield Charge into a slam attack so that all the Titan passives would work? Which skills are better for stunning for someone playing ONLY with shields?

A side question - any info on what the 3rd ascendancy class might be for the Warrior?

[royal badge]

does anyone have a howa potcg build i can follow? i got almost maxroll howa somehow, first xesht kill lol

[topaz cedar]

Is there a way to see how far a distance is in the game? For abilities that scale damage based on distance, I don't really have a sense of scale

[jolly flare]

is attack speed useless on a skill like Gathering Storm? I'm not too sure of the "add total attack time" mechanic

[hearty silo]

No

[pale vine]

anyone done the math on Gas Arrow Explosion vs Toxic Growth ?

[valid palm]

Ah, one last thing, if you do not mind. Does the %increased Critical Hit Chance work with both spells and attacks? Meaning it contributes to the final critical hit chance of the spell along with the %increased critical hit chance for spells. And if it's the case, then the value the %increased Critical Hit Chance takes for base is the spell base crit hit chance, correct?

[hearty silo]

If it doesn't specify, then it applies to anything that can crit

[soft lake]

If it doesn't specify then yeah, it'll work with both! Some sources will be specific, others won't, but if it can apply then it will all go into the same "increased critical strike chance" bucket

And yeah, the spell base crit hit chance is what it will multiply

There are ways to add flat crit, also - like the Malice skill from sceptres, or critical weakness

[valid palm]

And these go towards the base number then, right?

[soft lake]

And those will be added to your base spell crit chance before multiplying by increased chance, yeah

[tidal furnace]

Any blood mages able to try Archmage out for me?

[pearl sluice]

whats a good way to farm spirit gear on body or amulet? any bosses in particuler?

[valid palm]

Sweet! That should be all, really. Pretty sure I cleared everything out.

Thanks again!

[hearty silo]

Drops are random. There might be essences that roll a spirit mod, but I'm not sure

[pearl sluice]

nice user1!!

[hearty silo]

thanks

[soft lake]

No problem, I'm glad I could help!

[pearl sluice]

so gore spike on blood mage is not getting patched?

how good is demon form?

[hearty silo]

It's fun but I don't think it's hardcore viable

[pearl sluice]

oh no not for hardcore or anything

cuz im now almost reaching endgame with merc. and i love fire so far. so i thought why not fully dip into fire. but most fire stuff i see is without the form

on witch ofc as second character

[hearty silo]

That's a common way to compare things, though. Something is "good" if it's hardcore viable, because in order to be hardcore viable it must meet these criteria:

• Easy to obtain
• Safe to use
• Vastly increases damage and/or survivability

So demon form fails on the second criterion

[atomic horizon]

How do I "close" a map once IM done with it. I want it "cleared" on my map

[static plinth]

Demon Form is fine but you unequip your weapons which is a massive problem with it

[pearl sluice]

you forgot 1 thing bud. idc about best or whatever. good is fine. dont have to be the best. and most important fun. if its dog shi then im not even considering it thats why i asked :)

[pearl sluice]

ohhhh really okay okay

[hearty silo]

And those are good things to have in softcore, too, cause bosses are "soft" hardcore encounters, and deaths cost exp.

[pearl sluice]

so demon form also has its own "weapon" dmg or

[static plinth]

Basically, with Mastered Darkness, you have less stats than just having two weapons equipped

[pearl sluice]

then what is the point of the form😂

[static plinth]

This is why noone runs it

[hearty silo]

lul

[static plinth]

Its cool but it has major problems rn

The only thing it does is allow you to avoid gearing weapons

[pearl sluice]

i thought it looked cool and all but if it debuffs you no point then.

[static plinth]

Or you can run it without Mastered Darkness and get like 1000% increased spell damage and then explode

[pearl sluice]

you recomend witch for a full on fire build prob yea for infernalist?

[static plinth]

Infernalist or Stormweaver is what i'd go

Infernalist so you can Ignite with all damage, or Stormweaver so you can shock/chill with Fire damage

[pearl sluice]

yea i dont wanna do shock or whatever. just full fire bitch😂

seems like witch infernal it is huh

[inland vector]

eyo... so i just read the patch notes.. is the electrocute nerf hitting kitoko hard?

[pearl sluice]

idrc about end game for now. mostely cuz i dont have my class in the game yet so

[turbid mauve]

So i have just reached infernalist ascension yesterday and pushed further. I run arsonists with flame wall and raging spirits. That’s basically whole flow, spawn wall/contagion/essence drain and fire resistance curse up if enemy is beefy.

So costs of Arsonists got higher with the last patch. Do you think it would make sense to switch them to something else? Straight nerf

[zinc quarry]

where can i get more persistent buff gems? do they just drop randomly?

[turbid mauve]

Just random drop

[tidal furnace]

Does the Bloodmage Acendency calculate Archmage additonal mana cost?

[fast yew]

Looking for re-rolling from arsionists to something else.
Sugestions?

[fossil sable]

So I havent played my Bloodmage since the trigger nerfs and went deadeye, but i wanna finish my BM to maps at least. Whats the least painful way to get from 46 to 58?

[vivid laurel]

i am all lighting based. is there a easy way to apply chill to a target. the amount of chill doe snot matter. just need to have a little bit.

[knotty spruce]

Shit my monk chaos abilities didint get buffed

Now gota choose if i cook wind chaos acolyte or just go chaos dot or poison

[shut umbra]

Sorry to bother - anyone got any info on warrior stuns?

[torn mango]

Anyone get Gemling Summoner working

[robust radish]

really depends on ur build

[snow sierra]

they are still good, but i am using sniper now, and i tested reaver they kinda work too but only if your spirit is high enough to run alot of them cause no cleave

[valid palm]

Is the lessening of the magnitude of chill I inflict coming from this ascendancy node deducted from my overall chill magnitude increase, or is my overall chill magnitude increase lowered by 25%?

In short, does this decrease affect my entire chill magnitude or it it's simply deducted from %increased magnitde of chill?

[turbid mauve]

Haven’t got spirit as much as i would like but it is enough to run around 5 arsonists or something

[worldly wind]

Die they nerf the ice Monk? I have so much Problems Today with him, yesterday I Player easy but now I die sooooo much😟

[shy mist]

is quality on Mana Tempest bugged for anybody else too?

[golden sky]

They made it harder to chain freeze.

[snow sierra]

i mean you could just stick with arsonist they are in no way bad. Kinda depends on your build, if you running MoM stick with them for sure, if not snipers are a option

[turbid mauve]

MoM stick?

[golden sky]

Thing is arsonists have better single target and clear compared to archers.

[snow sierra]

If you use MoM you can have mana problems with snipers

cause you should use the command

[valid palm]

And, on top of that, since this node makes my exposure go from 20% to 40%, does this affect the base exposure amount which is used to calculate %increased cold exposure effect? Or is it simply added after the exposure has been calculated?

[vivid laurel]

sorc spark

[tired crystal]

What affects my raging spirits damage?

I just can’t seem to figure out how to do more DPS in mapping and I feel very slow

My resists are good, but not much DPS

[midnight obsidian]

faster casting on your flame wall maybe?

[valid palm]

@soft lake Sorry 😦 Don't know who else to ping.

[midnight obsidian]

unless you're casting them so fast they get poofed before they get the damage in

[golden sky]

Are you using exploding or melee rs?

[tired crystal]

I have that, I’m trying to figure out how to scale

Maybe scepter stats has something to do?

[snow sierra]

how mutch to minion level do you have ?

from gear

[tired crystal]

Exploding I think

Plus 5 minion level from gear

I’m lvl 71.

[snow sierra]

you should have atleast 6 but thats still kinda low +4 specters are cheap af...so 7 should be the aim here

[golden sky]

For exploding you want to have as little resists on minions as possible, just making sure you have that set right.

[tired crystal]

I don’t have any resists.

[golden sky]

Also clerics might make them take longer to explode too, unsure.

[tired crystal]

I might have some plus to life regen now

About 10 life per second

[snow sierra]

I find it easyier just to play normal srs and not instability

[tired crystal]

Hmmm

Then just add allies get bonus cold damage and that stuff?

Or 🔥

[snow sierra]

cause minions dieing become a problem and i like to have some more tank on my non srs

[hearty silo]

The way stuff is calculated is as follows:

Total damage (or effect, in this case) = (Base % chance + ∑base % chance additions) * (∑%increased) * (1 + ∏%more) * (1 - ∏%less)

[tired crystal]

Just make everything tangy af and get a scepter with high bonus attack to allies?

[golden sky]

Just grab all the damage multipliers you can get. Either SRS or arsonists should get imolate for instance.

[valid palm]

So is this a base % chance addition then?

[tired crystal]

Okay, any good guide to look at for this style?

[snow sierra]

my srs has execute ,feeding frenzy , fire mastery, minion mastery

[summer pasture]

Anyone know how to add sockets to the basic attack? The Jewelers orbs don't work

[hearty silo]

No, it's a %less

[valid palm]

Ah, you replied to my first question, not the second, got it.

[tired crystal]

I only have 3 support gems max on everything. Haven’t dropped anything big and exalt poor currently

Only have like 26 exalt

[snow sierra]

you can corrupt 3 links to 4 links

[feral flame]

How does the two passive skill tree system work ?

[tired crystal]

My resists are bae

Maxed mostly

Besides chaos obviously

[snow sierra]

whatever bae means

[tired crystal]

Awesome lil

[golden sky]

In theory.. all of my attempts reduced links instead. :x

[tired crystal]

lol

[tired crystal]

Does it make them stuck at whatever happens?

[snow sierra]

yes you cant craft them, but leveling is still possible

and if you get +1 level or +1 gem is kinda nice

[tired crystal]

Plus 4 minion skills are expansive AF with 50+ spirit and accuracy. 2x Divine?!?

[snow sierra]

yes you just skip on the spirit

imo minion level is the most important thing and way better then spirit. but sure if you have a +3 with 190 spirit or something you can stick with it a while

[tired crystal]

Maybe my passives are poorly configured

[golden sky]

Minion accuracy isn't really needed if you grabbed it from passive tree tho..

[snow sierra]

ye i would keep that a while longer

2+ from helm 2+ Amulett

and put qualitiy on on

its like 20 spirit more or something

[tired crystal]

yeah, my amulet stinks atm

i have 321 spirit

running 6 arsonists and 4 skeletal warriors

[golden sky]

20 base spirit, but before the increase spirit multiplier I believe.

[snow sierra]

put qualitiy on that scepter with arrcanist etcher

[tired crystal]

what does quality do?

[snow sierra]

more spirit

[proud pollen]

My bro is looking for info on what gear stats to look for on Monk Invoker lvl 60+ (armor, rings, amulet etc)

[snow sierra]

you will have a 210 spirit scepter

or something like that

[soft lake]

Sorry for a slightly slow reply! I guess I should have mentioned this earlier with the damage formula stuff, but "reduce" is the opposite of "increase" - ie, you just subtract it from that "bucket" of stats - and "less" is the opposite of "more", meaning it's multiplicative. So 25% less magnitude of chill means there's a 0.75x multiplier on all of your chill effects.

That said, being able to inflict two chills at the same time makes up for this. The default maximum chill without this node is 50%, and with this node it's 35% but you can inflict two, so up to 70% chill total. And if you weren't hitting 50% chill effect before, this node is effectively a 1.5x chill effect multiplier for enemies you're able to hit twice - you have 0.75x chill effect, but you inflict two chills.

It's a strong defensive ascendancy to pick up!

[tired crystal]

do you think the +17 hp per second is bad for my exploding RSR

SRS

[snow sierra]

dunno i never played with exploding srs i just dont like it

[bleak dust]

is fire sorc really that far behind lightning sorc?

[cinder raven]

Hey guys
Has armour break explosion been nerfed?

[golden sky]

I'm not sure if the discipline is interfering with the exploding rs too. :p

[tired crystal]

oh i'm missing two pieces of gear because of strength and dex lol

that can't be goood

[deft basin]

Question: Did anyone tried Radiant Grief on the Merc? I'm playing explosive grenades with gas, but I heard you pretty much don't need to use the explosives if you have radiant grief.

Also, a guy I know is playing ranger and he said deadeye is pretty much "meh" if you don't get a hold of the Thief's ring. Can anyone confirm this?

[valid palm]

No worries, all good! Thanks! Am I being correct in the assumption that "Hitting the enemy twice" doesn't mean hitting them twice with the same spell, right? I can just hit them twice with different spells. Also, will two separate projectiles from a single spell stack two slows on the enemy if they both hit it?

[valid palm]

And I also had a follow up question, kind of regarding a similar matter.

[cinder vine]

Guys, can I put support gems to the gems inside of a "cast on some trigger" gems?

[golden sky]

Yes

[cinder vine]

How?

[soft lake]

It can be twice with the same spell, but it has to be separate instances of damage. So if two separate projectiles hit, it will give you the chance to apply two chills. Or if you're using a spell like Frost Wall, for instance, then two separate explosions from the walls breaking will count as two hits

[prime mortar]

can CI work with EY??

[feral flame]

Does attack damage nodes increase damage from grenades

[feral halo]

can anyone for the love of god find me a decent deal on a mace? i will tip you

they all selling 25+ divines it's impossible to get one lol

[cinder raven]

How much dps and what stats?

[feral halo]

sec DM'ing you

[soft lake]

This one I'm not actually sure about. I would assume that it does count as base exposure, and therefore increased exposure effect would scale that as well. But you might need to find someone else who knows, or test it yourself in game - it should be a fairly easy one to test! Grabbing a small amount of increased exposure effect is likely a good thing to do anyway!

[valid palm]

Alright, thank you!

[hearty silo]

I believe this would be applied after everything else. So all the calculations I mentioned earlier, then add 20%. But I'm also not sure

[soft lake]

Any time! Also, I'm about to head to bed but feel free to DM me if you've got any more questions you can't get answered!

[valid palm]

Hopefull that is all, xd. For now, at least.

[soft lake]

There'll always be something else! POE has so much to learn

[dire siren]

how do i raise quality of my skill gems?

[snow sierra]

peww i wonder if 40-50 spirit or something is worth giving up 2-3k ES

[soft lake]

You need gemcutter's prisms

[dire siren]

thank you!

[zinc quarry]

im trying to transition to a build that requires a lot more spirit on my ranger. what's the best way to get more? is it mostly just gear?

[snow sierra]

mostlikely chest and amulett for you

[soft lake]

Yeah, spirit rolls on chests, amulets and sceptres (which I assume you can't use)

[worthy vine]

Is cold or lightning Monk better now?

[snow sierra]

ahhasd getting t16 maps is so painfull

[fiery iron]

I kinda wanna make an evasion build that tries to reach as close to 100% increased movement speed as possible, and has a long cooldown but screen clearing attack... Anyone have any ideas on what direction to go for the offensive part of such a build?

[snow sierra]

this poisen , auto detonate thing with the helm on deadeye that is going around would be one of your best bets maybe

And then convert it to cold with the currupted gloves so its working defensive too

[fiery iron]

not exactly sure which items you're referencing

[unreal spindle]

Guys anyway to check if the item on market provide more DPS than our current item?

[snow sierra]

with Radiant Grief Lace Hood and Blueflame Bracers Goldcast Cuffs corrupted so it dos not convered 100% anymore

[gusty bone]

How do I search poe2db for text on a gem's decription? I want it to display every gem with 'block' on its description.

[lucid glade]

Is there a list of multiplicative nodes for fire/cold/lightning ? Even though I haven't finished campaign I want to switch to some double shock, double chill full fire stormweaver since freeze just got nerfed, so I'm looking for multiplicative nodes that can work twice for chill/shock

[turbid mauve]

https://www.reddit.com/r/PathOfExile2/s/hJL0JR62p3 so unearth does not summon, and weapon skellies does not get summoned either.

How decent infernalist could be as a caster without minions since they’re broken?

[snow sierra]

my unearth works and so dos the scepter skill

[turbid mauve]

Weird, maybe need to do something like relogin or something… let’s see

[pulsar crater]

https://poe2db.tw/us/Skill_Gems#SkillGemsSummary
Is this what you're looking for?

[proper cedar]

What's the best curse build out rn?

It interested me on the wotch

[gusty bone]

yeah thats it, but cant fint that feature for spirit gems

[pulsar crater]

Seems like it's only for active skill gems. Strange.

[atomic mirage]

Hey Guys, im struggling in act 2 Cruel because of my gear...
I just cant seem to find enough orbs to upgrade my rares and magic to rares to find myself the right stats

[chilly mist]

as lightning ranger, which all the lightning skills read as scaling off of your physical damage, what bows did you use in act 3? Do we just respec to make the chaos bows that are all that's available work?

[atomic mirage]

What is a good method for getting exalted orbs, regal orbs

[pulsar crater]

Hexblast (and optionally impending doom) is good. I clear t15s easily. I don't know much about other curse builds though.

[rotund stump]

Hey, is there any way to see the size of Controlled Metamorphosis without trying all versions?

[snow sierra]

are you playing ssf ?

[atomic mirage]

Whats SSF xd?

[snow sierra]

solo self found

[pulsar crater]

Ritual gives regals/ex pretty often.

[snow sierra]

because if not just buy a few 1ex items

[atomic mirage]

Im doing a build just to help me a little bit with the skilltree, not looking at gear or anything.
Im lightning Ranger

Im searching for gear with lightning damage, phys damage etc...

And i know where to focus on, but my upgrade RNG is messed up so im out of orbs all the time but still looking for gear upgrades

So im just looking for a way to get exalted orbs and regal orbs so i can try and upgrade more, but till then its a struggle to progress

[foggy thicket]

Is there any decent build guide for Titan SSF?

[atomic mirage]

You mean on trade market? I tried messaging people but no one is responding

[turbid mauve]

I find this experience extremely infuriating. People post online? Yes. Do they say that they want to sell? Yes. What do they do when you message them? Ignore!

[atomic mirage]

exactly

[snow sierra]

thats the poe trading experience nothing you can do about it, just wisper other offers

[near jewel]

Guys, whats some low apm meta now, so that i can chill while playing or recommend to my daughter? I have saved up 120 ex and 2 divs

[snow sierra]

Minions

allways Minions

[turbid mauve]

I wanted a shield with spirit. Messaged like 20 people…

Gave up in the end

[snow sierra]

I bet that where pricefixer all of them

[near jewel]

Ii love minions, i am now totem warbringer and do t12 with 1 ability on skill bar

[turbid mauve]

Some of them used russian, some japanese when messaged. i doubt that all of them is the same person price fixing something

[near jewel]

T15 okk without 1ooo e gear?

[lucid glade]

Is this multiplicative ? And does this apply twice if you get the double chill ascendency node ?

[snow sierra]

its not the same person its just guys with the same purpose to put in items with 1ex price and then quickly buy if from noobs that price the item the same

No coordination needed when intrest converge

[snow sierra]

Not sure how it is now but i am doing t16 on my chrono now and i have for sure not 1000ex in gear, i selfcraftet alot of stuff so hard to say how mutch its worth now

[median kraken]

"Increased" is always additive. And recently effects don't stack, it just cares if you have or haven't chilled an enemy, not how many times.

[lucid glade]

How do I find which nodes are multiplicative in there then ?

[median kraken]

Multiplicative things say "more" instead of "Increased." They're pretty rare, very few nodes on the tree are like that.

[gusty bone]

What is the gem or passive that generate power charge?

[lucid glade]

Exposure, crits, the "ailments work 15% faster" ones, things like that, but what others ?

[median kraken]

Debuffs on enemies in general are usjally multiplicative with buffs on you. So shock too.

And damage added as extra is kind of multiicative

A lot of those things are additive with themselves, just multiplicative with increased modifiers

[lucid glade]

So all the magnitude nodes ?

[near jewel]

And what minions do u use? Self cast or procced?

[snow sierra]

srs and sniper atm

[median kraken]

Maybe. I don't fully know how all the stuff works, a lot of this I'm going by PoE1 knowledge. And magnitude is a new term.

[snow sierra]

selfcast, the autocast loop dos not work anymore

[lucid glade]

I'm trying to switch from frost walls, surely a double shock + double chill setup could work out

while going full fire spells of course

[near jewel]

And what minions specifically? And what ascendencies nodes?

[snow sierra]

Like i said snipers and summon rageing spirit

[median kraken]

Not sure how good double shock and double chill are. The exposure node on storm weaver is kind of insane. Personal I'm still using Frost Walls.

[thorny citrus]

Why does 'damage with bow skills' mod on quiver increase my Poisonous Concoction tooltip damage, but 'damage with bows' on tree doesn't increase it? I thought both mods shouldn't work at all for PC 😦

[snow sierra]

And i am chronomancer not the best minion acendency, i would recommend to just go infernalist its simpler

[lucid glade]

It didn't get hard nerfed by the chain freeze nerf ? still ok ?

[cinder vine]

So, about builds. Can I slot a support gem in a fireball and then slot that gem on, let's say cast on minion death?

[gusty bone]

What other skills consume Endurance Charges besides Infernal cry?

[median kraken]

Bosses are still spending a lot of time frozen for me. They're not permafrozen but freeze definitely still isn't useless. They also still do decent damage themselves and are still working as a way to shotgun fireballs.

[viral vector]

Worth keeping and building around or is -30% as rough as I think it is to fix and play around? Late Act 2.

[turbid mauve]

2ex or 3ex+ is better rolls or corrupted variants which i don't really care about. still does not reply. all of that's different persons

[median kraken]

I feel like most builds by the time you can afford the resist penalty you can afford a better damage amulet

[snow sierra]

dunno if i rember right i needed to buy my shield for 6ex or something a few days ago while around 20 ppl had one up from 1ex-5ex

[lucid glade]

I'll wait a bit before switching then. Still, is "increased spell damage" applying to ignite/shock/chill ? If so that's multiplicative with magnitude right

[snow sierra]

i would keep the amulett

[worldly wind]

Why I cant sie charged staff, I have it on lvl 9, I have enough dex and int, but the Skills is still dark in my Skills

[snow sierra]

it has the potential to enable a rly broken if there is a way to enable that build

[worldly wind]

It Looks Like It Works in This picture but it is dark in this line

[median kraken]

It doesn't directly apply to them. It can indirectly hell with the since they care about the hit damage. Chill isn't a damage multiplier, though, and more damage only increases shock chance, not strength

But yeah, don't just assume freeze is bricked based on one line in the patch notes without even trying it

[mortal yew]

Hey why is my chaos build not working ? Am in cruel act 2

[lucid glade]

I went fireball/frostwall because I wanted a fireball thing for double ailments initially but waiting for double things, so maybe it just won't work out with ailments then.

[median kraken]

I haven't tried the double ailments, so can't comment on those. I've thought about going double shock eventually, might try it when I get my last ascendancy points

[olive sapphire]

is there any more items that converts phys damage into something else like cloak of flame?

[fickle thistle]

How much Lightning Pen for endgame? Maps and Bossing

[shut umbra]

Hello everyone. Thanks for taking a moment to check my question.
I wanted to ask a few questions about stuns. So I became a Titan, and I was wondering which skills grant the best stun build up. So far, it’s been the Shield Charge, however as I’m looking at the Titan tree, it seems that I should resort to slams for stunning. Is there a point where I should move from Shield Charge to a Slam attack (like Rolling Slam or some-such)? Or is there a way to turn Shield Charge into a slam attack so that all the Titan passives would work? Which skills are better for stunning for someone playing ONLY with shields?

A side question - any info on what the 3rd ascendancy class might be for the Warrior?

[pure lynx]

it needs power charges to work

[fresh vine]

hey all, Im playing a invoker monk, can someone tell me if projectiles from charged staff shock enemies ?

[lucid glade]

What's the advantage of using a staff vs wand+focus/shield ?

[simple gust]

Hey guys, i am finally at endgame but I basically got oneshot

[worldly wind]

Where do I get power charge?

[lucid glade]

Guessing it's the resists

[pure lynx]

depends on your build, check your "combat frenzy" skill, there are several other skills that generate power charges

[simple gust]

also my boss dmg sux, i do lightning build and as lightning i have no problem on adds

but boss is hell

[marsh seal]

So uhh... When does lead me through grace become good?

It seems like you need some insane body armor to make it good

Unless I'm missing somethign

[flat orbit]

lvl 23 monk atm looking to ascend, but i don't know how it works, never played poe1

so far i've just built around lightning but dont really know what im doing LOL

[still cloak]

how do i unlock an extra support gem slot in a weapon skill?

[lucid glade]

Trial of Sekh(emet?), you'll get there during campaign

[flat orbit]

yeah im standing in it rn

just got here

[frigid zenith]

is Poison Concoction any better after the patch

[keen glade]

Does anyone know what point can you comfortably "face tank" attacks with a dodge build?

[lucid glade]

Main mechanic is honor, you lose honor when you get hit, when it drops to 0 you're dead. Don't get hit !

[robust cipher]

Any deadeye/ranger builds that are not LA ?

[fresh vine]

can someone tell me if projectiles from charged staff shock enemies ? - any help guys ?

[snow sierra]

i have a t16 and irradiated is that the highst level map i can get ?

[sage light]

@storm steppe

[analog brook]

Is this the official discord?

[tidal copper]

Barrage spiral volley just go buff and I saw a guide if you don't want to think too much

[sage light]

yes

[hot cobalt]

Is there a blasphemy for gems? Kind of like, I want mana tempest to move with me

[lucid glade]

How do you get more than 2 support gem slots on your spell gems ?

[robust cipher]

Isnt that awful for single target tho

[wintry mica]

Is it possible to make a lightning witch build?

[tidal copper]

Look at the patch
If it's still awful I'll be surprised

Snipe barrage should kill everything

[swift root]

Is it smart to take the unique over the yellow in this scenario due to the resistances?

[snow sierra]

Inique are only good if they do something good for your build

Dosnt seem this case you get life and res from your gloves

[swift root]

I see! Sorry imn new to poe I didnt know how strong oranges are compared to d4.

[snow sierra]

totaly not compareable most uniques in poe are siutational

[tidal copper]

Uniques are unique

[dreamy stag]

What would be the best ascendancy for a Strength stacking shield build ?

[manic belfry]

passive auras/spirit skills havent been working in demon form my entire playthrough, im lvl 50 and havent gotten it working once. is this a bug

[snow sierra]

demon form dos not have weapons

so if you have a scepter that gives you spirit its gone in demon form

[manic belfry]

nope, i dont have spirit weapons equipped

[dreamy stag]

Warbringer seems to be the only one with Shield nodes

[manic belfry]

i have 90 spirit and only one 20 spirit passive equipped, when i enter demon form my spirit tab shows 90/90

when im in human the spirit tab is 70/90

[snow sierra]

No clue then never used it, maybe demon form counts as weapon set and you have to enable the aura there again

[manic belfry]

ive tried a lot of things, i cant seem to find anybody else with this issue. is there a way to report bugs through this discord channel

[rough kelp]

someone said to swap weapon in demon form

you can try that

[gusty bone]

Does your stun bar get filled when you block hits with Resonating Shield?

[manic belfry]

ill try that. i just tried unspeccing demon form on the skills tree and respeccing it then lost all my support gems on it D:

[rough kelp]

youre not the first

hopefully you didnt spend too many jeweler orb

[still cloak]

how do i unlock an extra support gem slot in a weapon skill?

[rough kelp]

higher level

[still cloak]

of the skill?

[manic belfry]

omg im an idiot. here's the fix for any other silly gooses searching for " demon form bug " in the future. set demon form spirit sklls in tab 2 of ur sockets

[rough kelp]

Of the weapon I think

[still cloak]

i'll gamble a weapon and see

[pearl sluice]

1.7k hp,max element res,45% chaos res,61% armor,3080 sorcery ward is good enough or i should keep working on defense?

[obsidian grove]

warcries dont count as attacks right?

[undone mortar]

They are not

[simple valve]

Can the witch hunter AOE on death effect trigger on enemies that were killed by the AOE?

[cinder vine]

Command: Explosive Demise does not summon raging spirits?

[hidden gull]

https://youtube.com/shorts/sw6BEVIBmZI anyone know why Elon is better than me at the game

[flat orbit]

any lightning monk builds?

just ascended, but still at the start of act 2 i'd say

[pure lynx]

check MilkyBk his build on maxroll if you need an invoker lightning build

[peak scroll]

how viable do you think a dual wield warrior would be? use 2 2h maces, dual leech/stun/bleed/high ias/high armor

[placid haven]

what skill is this?

[robust wyvern]

Anyone using the Crashing Wave passive? +36% dmg for 8 sec after you crit

[ruby plank]

how do I add more support gem slots to implicit skills from wands or staffs?

[wispy light]

Quick why does my chaos build work but does no damage when I use demon form?

[haughty oxide]

which staff better

[dark briar]

If a projectile can pierce and chain from terrain, Can it pierce an enemy, hit terrain then chain back to that same enemy ?

[mental hull]

How does the infernalist's all damage contributes to ignite chance and magnitude get affected by increases in damage? If i use a cold skill, and get 20% increased fire damage, does that increase the ignite?

[real bolt]

I am sorry if anyone has asked

can someone explain to me how all damage from hit contributes to poison magnitude ?

If it has been answered can someone link to me so i can read it ?

Thanks in advance

[digital axle]

atm poison is 10% of phys and 10% of chaos damage initial hit if i remember correctly. but with gloves u can even go elemental and it will make prolly 10% of all damage

[vale heart]

why did my bonestorm only get a 200dmg increase at level 21 after the buffs???

[digital axle]

what buffs?

[rough kelp]

because bonestorm dmg is 2 step

projectiles and explosion

[vale heart]

okey but Im literally watchng a stream rn and the guy got multiple thousand increases (its supposed to go towards 50%)

and we are both clueless why I didnt get that much

[digital axle]

i saw only nerfs... especially shield skills got nerf instead of buff...

[cerulean kraken]

I've been trying to find information on this. Where did you see this, or you tested it in game?
Not sure if PoE2 is different from PoE1
Game help text just says they are "debuffs".

[rough kelp]

gear diff?

[cerulean kraken]

Mark
Marks are a family of Debuffs that apply powerful effects to a single enemy, usually for a limited duration. You can have multiple Marked enemies at once, but each individual enemy can only have a single Mark applied to them at once.
No mention of curse.

[vale heart]

hes a bit furhter in the endgame than me but in any case the difference is so big I dont get it

[rough kelp]

nodes and gear diff idk what to say

perhaps remake your support gems?

[real bolt]

Is this on PoE 2 ?

Because PoE 2 is 20% total damage physical and chaos as poison from what i gather

So I'm kinda confused with all damage from hit is counted like if you have elemental damage is counted too as total damage with chaos and physical damage to 20% poison ?

[vale heart]

his bonecage went from 10k to 15k mine went from 9.105 to 10.655.. and they buffed the base dmg no? how is this possible

[rough kelp]

multipliers

[vale heart]

we must have similar gear/nodes if hes at 10k and Im at 9k

[rough kelp]

did you have supports in it

[vale heart]

Im not using any supports that decrease dmg

[rough kelp]

not decreasing it increasing it

[vale heart]

concetrated effect, physical mastery

[crude flower]

This node/this type of node doesn't work on skill gems at all, 178 dex req for my Herald of Lightning before and after getting it.

[vale heart]

but like in any case how is it possible for me to get a 200 and him a 5k increase? I feel like no matter what support gems u use or whatever this is ridicolous?

[digital axle]

theoretically it should, so it will be easier to find wep for ur big initial hit

[real bolt]

Ah thanks so that's how it works in theory

Thanks for the help

[digital axle]

i guess spirit gems are diff than skill gems 😄

[rough kelp]

do you both have the same tree same skill level etc

[vale heart]

no we have different stuff

idk exactly his tree

[crude flower]

I figured something like that, but it's the same for my Voltaic grenade, doesn't lower it either.

[digital axle]

passive tree, supports, gear matters a lot

[vale heart]

but he was 10k before patch and I was 9k, can it really make a 4.8k diff afterwards if he has a different tree?

[mossy finch]

some one can tell me how work "skill effect duration" for example on "Spark" skill
pls tell me

[rough kelp]

they did say about 50% more dmg starting from 23 or 25 I think

maybe you switched gear during the update so you havent noticed?

[nimble fiber]

On my Monk i may see a slight difference against bosses but it is not that notable. But Monks got a big buff via combat frenzy anyways.

[digital axle]

mby it only doesnt show on tooltip as most stuff doesnt

[vale heart]

they increased the dmg growth per level up to 50% on lvl 25. Im lvl 21 now so ok I dont get teh full 50% but I should be getting more than freaking 200 dmg buff and no I didnt change anything, literally just logged in and compared to the screen of my dmg yesterday before logging out

[rough kelp]

idk maybe you changed gear during that time

otherwise idk what to tell you

are you counting for fight buff?

[vale heart]

I didnt change anything I wnt from taking a screen and then logging out to just now loggin in and comparing

[rough kelp]

Perhaps you took a picture while you had some kind of dmg buff

[digital axle]

can someone explain to me how shield skills were buffed? as i see it was nerfed... not buffed....

[tranquil steeple]

How do you generate power charges against bosses? I’m struggling compared to normal clearing

Should I add even more electrocution generation?

Like lightning ball cast on shock or something

[vale heart]

ah that is possible.. im not sure

[tranquil steeple]

Even then it’s just one though

How do you even get 3 stacks on a boss

[nimble fiber]

I did a check on one cruel act 3 boss yesterday and i was getting more powercharges than before. But for extra charges i use Hand of Chayula with Snipers Mark.

[rough kelp]

sigil of power can give up to 40% more dmg that could be why

[tranquil steeple]

I’m crit anyway so I think just sniper mark will work

[nimble fiber]

Also the new nodes added to the tree seem to be ok. Its 10% electrocution + some lightning damage. But i dont think i have to use them.

[tranquil steeple]

Yea even without the power charge my damage is good but I’d like to have like permanent upkeep on my charged staff

Might look to add snipers mark just for bosses

Only a 2 skill build rn anyway was hoping to keep it that way

[rough kelp]

how do sniper mark work? do it stays for a duration or do you consume it on crit

[tranquil steeple]

Consumer I think

It should say

[cedar pumice]

https://game8.co/games/Path-of-Exile-2/archives/488526 is this still relevant?

[tranquil steeple]

I’m not on rn so can’t check

[rough kelp]

how do you use it thrn?

you spam back and forth?

[tranquil steeple]

Idk I haven’t used it before

I’d assume so

It prob can’t be the sole charge generator

[rough kelp]

oh I though youd knew mbad

[tranquil steeple]

Nah I was asking too lol

[rough kelp]

I dont have dex to use the skill tho

[tranquil steeple]

It’s not that high of a req right?

U should be able to I think

[rough kelp]

in the 100 I think

[tranquil steeple]

U sure?

I don’t think that’s right

[rough kelp]

might be close

[tranquil steeple]

Nah I think it’s closer to 50 than it is 100

[rough kelp]

50 is the lowest level tho

but yea

52

[vale heart]

I mean i have bunch of "deal more dmg after critting" on stuff so it could be that

[cedar pumice]

https://game8.co/games/Path-of-Exile-2/archives/488526 is this still relevant?

[digital axle]

wdym?

[vale heart]

my bonecage goes to 14k after I crit once so it would fit very well with the numbers of the other guy

[cedar pumice]

after nefr

nerf

[rough kelp]

sound fair are you using sigil of power aswell?

[digital axle]

it wasnt nerfed to the ground like cast on smth, it was just tuned down

[cedar pumice]

oh, so its relevant

[vale heart]

I have it on sweapon swap but usually just use it on bossin

[digital axle]

if it wasnt u would see a lot of hate happening in all channels here

is there pro poe player who could explain how shield skills were buffed? as i see it was nerfed 😦

[wind jetty]

do I need stun threshold at all as a sorc?

[weak knoll]

Hey, i'm folowwing a build as merc but it tells to get lightning rod with a crossbow

but however i cannot equip lightning rod witohut a bow, how ca nI do it ?

[marsh seal]

So uhhh

This build doesn't make sense with its spirit reqs

https://maxroll.gg/poe2/build-guides/tempest-flurry-invoker#passives-header

It says you need 1200 evasion on armor with Lead me through Grace

but 1200 evasion on a chestpiece would only give 80 Spirit

[shell night]

will there be new warrior spirit skills in the future? i’m playing pure physical shield barb and the only one i rly like is the rage one.

[marsh seal]

Like what am I missing here?

Even just using the base auras, its ghost dance, wind dancer, cast on freeze, herald of thunder, and herald of ice.

Thats 180 spirit

[nimble fiber]

I think you can also use the Neural Overload support for compensating any electrocution nerfs.

[white timber]

Does pierce means pierce infinity targets or just one?

[nimble fiber]

If you are playing trade then get Kitokos Gloves (for 1ex last time i looked ) + Resonance node + Combat Frenzy (30 Spirit) and you are mostly done for powercharges.

[marsh seal]

lol

Real

[nimble fiber]

Combat frenzy just got hugely buffed

[marsh seal]

Oh, it did?

Also, so like

Where does the other 100 spirit come from???

In this build

[nimble fiber]

You get 100 base by the end of act 3 cruel and then the ascendancy with the Body Chest.

[marsh seal]

Act 3 cruel??

Is that the second go of story mode?

[nimble fiber]

But the cast on mechanic to trigger spells got nerfed hard so i dont know how good it works.

yes

[marsh seal]

Ahh

That must be why

Also wait why Kitoko's?

[nimble fiber]

The witch gives you 40 in the end

[marsh seal]

When you can just use bell/etc

Seems like a waste of glove slot?

[nimble fiber]

Kitokos makes all your lightning damage build up electrocution

From all skills you use

Lightning skills

[marsh seal]

I mean, don't they already do quite a bit?

[nimble fiber]

No base they dont electrocute at all, they "only" Shock

[marsh seal]

Why does electrocution matter in particular/

[nimble fiber]

Combat Frenzy gives you a frenzy charge when you electroute an enemy. And resonance gives you a power charge instead of a frenzy charge

And Combat frenzy got buffed so that it can give you a charge every 2 secs or so before it was every 5 secs

[marsh seal]

Why not just uh

Well nvm

I guess I could see why

I was gonna say why not just run ice bite and cold infusion to freeze

[knotty spruce]

Gona try a bit of a wind/chaos monk wonder how thats gona go lol

[marsh seal]

but its better to just run damage

[nimble fiber]

Well Tempest Flurry is Lightning damage as is Charged staff.

So it is easier to electrocute with them than freeze i guess.

[marsh seal]

What supports would you run on Flurry?

[nimble fiber]

Martial Tempo for sure, anything shock and damage, if you have mega attack speed then reduce cost.

[marsh seal]

I would think primal armament, and the close range one

close combat

[nimble fiber]

Close Combat is good, maybe Crescendo

[marsh seal]

Ah true, either crescendo or primal armament? Would the DPS tell me which is better?

[nimble fiber]

I have primal in Charged Staff though

[marsh seal]

Yeah no, crescendo doesn't really give a DPS calculation lol

[nimble fiber]

And if electrocuting Bosses takes too long then i would slot Neural Overload into Flurry.

But i have to see

[slender bone]

Hello.
Does One with the Storm node increases Charged Staff charges beyond the maximum number of Power Charges ?
I have 4 maximum power charges.
When I have 2 and activate Charged Staff it activates with 3 charges.
Whrn I have 4 power charges and activate the skill I get 4 charges on Charged Staff.

[nimble fiber]

Not it doesnt go beyond the max

I had to learn that aswell lol.

[marsh seal]

So would you use kitoko's still? At what point should I ditch kitokos?

[nimble fiber]

You have to try if you can electrocute without them. You have to use the electrocution support on one lightning skill then. Dunno if that is enough.

[marsh seal]

I was curious to try this one

https://mobalytics.gg/poe-2/builds/coc-balls-invoker-ronarray

[slender bone]

Since I generate a lot of Power Charges and with the recent buff to Combat Frenzy, it seems that One with the Storm is pointless now.

[nimble fiber]

Yeah its questionable.

[marsh seal]

Seems like this build runs electrocute on herald of thunder

[nimble fiber]

I would be hesitant with anything that says cast on atm because of the nerf. Havnt tested it though

Electrocute on Herald gives you no charges on bosses.

[marsh seal]

cant you just use something else tho?

I like siphoning strike personally

I shock the boss more than enough to keep up charged staff

[nimble fiber]

You can of course. I use Hand of Chayula with Snipers Mark and enfeeble on Chayula.

[marsh seal]

Does hand generate powers?

[nimble fiber]

A crit on Sniper Marked Bosses does give you a frenzy charge which then turns into a power charge due to resonance

[marsh seal]

Ah

I guess thats another way to do it

[nimble fiber]

And you get enfeeble on top plus Chayula is easier to use than Siphoning strike

[oblique ledge]

Can i see somewhere prefixes for jewels possible?

[marsh seal]

I'll give it a shot, sounds pretty good

[fast eagle]

is it srsly intentionall shockburst rounds to not be able to apply shock and does not even say it?

[sly surge]

is there any support gems i can put in charge infusion to increase its cooldown?

[half owl]

i need help how can i make pathfinder lightning/cold build work. i regretter picking pathfinder over deadeye but dobt wanna reroll endgame

[nimble fiber]

The thing with Kitoko is that aside all its downsides the electrocution buildup even on bosses is waaay higher than just having one skill with the electrocution support. You hit bosses with Charged staff, Flurry and Tempest bell, thats three sources of lightning damage, so the build up is way faster and you can still shock.

I am inclined to keep it but i am not at mapping atm so take it with a grain of salt. Atm it works perfectly and my dam is pretty good.

[clear sluice]

Anyone tried to make a shield main? Like dogs with shield stuff only?

[upper viper]

the new bidding skill for minions. What is considered an action, just like when they move to attack or ?

[granite dagger]

Hey friends, any thoughts about which Den of Snakes Reward to take on cruel(!) with infernalist? 🙂
Took mana reg on normal.

[hot cobalt]

Sorry no one responded to you, yes sigil of power does work with any spells no matter what

[still trout]

Suggestions for how to solve resists on a tri attribute stacking build?

[clear sluice]

It's for the implicit skill that comes with the minion type. Like ice bomb with the mages etc

[upper viper]

Ahhh

[clear sluice]

I'm sure....

[upper viper]

i will test it, when i get another skill slot 😄

[clear sluice]

I don't think the minion command move to has any support 🙂

[upper viper]

Okai, will try and test it out when i can

5th slot, seems impossible to get XD

[clear sluice]

Can always try it before just to confirm 🙂

[mystic shard]

is recoup also considered life regeneration?

[turbid mauve]

rechecked. i have enough spirit for 4 arsonists + raging spirits after the nerf and that's all. i could do 5 or 6 + raging spirits and have some spirit left >_>

[upper viper]

i dropped down from 9 to 7

[mystic shard]

if anyone has recoup, could they test it, open their char menu? see if it increases life regen when u take dmg or?

as there is +% life regen on some recoup talents

makes me wonder

im too low to do any sufficient testing and on HC

[uncut bay]

whats the strongest bloodmage build rn?

[analog gale]

i think this could potentially be good with blood mage

if you can handle the life costs

because you pay the converted life cost and the life cost from sanguimancy

[uncut bay]

ty

[shrewd raptor]

is there a rough point where people stop going for %inc damage nodes? or is it too situational/build dependent?

[analog gale]

well it will happen at some point

as they drop off the more of them you have

like if you have 2000% increased damage then another +10% increased damage isnt gonna make a big difference

[rough kelp]

but 2000 feels a bit too much average would be around 400 500 may e

maybe

[shrewd raptor]

yee im sitting at around 200-250% inc right now and trying to decide if i want to path down for another 30-40%

[rough kelp]

from nodes or total?

[shrewd raptor]

from nodes, not sure what my total is

but probably close to that

[rough kelp]

thats alot

[astral willow]

how do skills like fire wall and solar orb interact with supports that ignition or eternal flame? they shouldn't work since they don't technically hit if I'm reading this right

[remote narwhal]

Got a question on giants blood

Does that allow u to have a shield with a 2h

Giants blood allows u to have 2h as 1h but triple the requirements for the 2h

[wary wave]

Hello, I can't figure out why I'm doing zdps ? (I'm in Act 2 normal)

Lightning Arrow : Ricochet, Pierce, Martial Tempo
Lightning Rod: Innervate, Scattershot, Lightning Mastery and I use Quillrain to set up the Lightning Rod (weapon swap)

[wary wave]

No, I don't think so

[remote narwhal]

I think it would cause giants makes it 1h

Rather than a 2h

IDC on the requirements cause I can manage that

[wary wave]

It says

"Two handed axes, maces and swords"

[remote narwhal]

Yea

In 1 hand

[wary wave]

specifies weapons

Ah

you don't mean like

hold two shields ?

[remote narwhal]

No

[wary wave]

ah okay

then yeah

you can use a shield

[remote narwhal]

2h mace with shield

[wary wave]

yep

[remote narwhal]

Going resonate shield

Then break armor with it

Then sunder for the broken armor for that nice crt dmg

[wary wave]

mhm

[remote narwhal]

Gonna get the shield that blocks all hits tho

So I can pretty much block off anything in resonate

Weaker shield but that's not the point of the build.

Resonating Shield already breaks some armor.

So more dmg isnt really needed

[sturdy kindle]

i got a quesiton about weapon switching and grenades

so lets say you got witchhunter and can spec ridiculous amounts of skill points and divide them on multiple weapons slot 1 and 2

[gusty bone]

Is armour break an ailment?

[sturdy kindle]

say you throw a grenade using slot 1 with grenade buffs but then switch off to slot 2 without

but the grenades are on the ground but haven't exploded yet, will that affect the damage?

swap after they explode or is it ok to swap before they do

because im seeing a noticaeble difference in AOE when i swap before they go off (swap to the one without buffs)

[clever pulsar]

anyone nows if considered casting works with elemental storm still?
my tooltip shows more damage when I add it, but just curious, as it says you need to cast those spells "yourself", while elemental storm is cast "by itself" I guess when you crit

[gusty bone]

Is this correct or should it be: 70% of the physical hit dealt over 5 seconds?

[unique sparrow]

is this decent dps at level 39?

ranger btw

[bold thorn]

The answer to that is “are you still blitzing the acts”

If yes then it’s decent dps

[pale jewel]

Hello! any stormweaver spark archmage COF + comet enjoyers out there? im following this dude's build https://www.reddit.com/r/PathOfExile2/comments/1hda9d8/cast_on_freeze_is_dead_long_live_cast_on_freeze/
as I really like the COF + comet interaction (I know pure Spark archmage is better)

Now im at a tier9 mapping level but im finding myself struggling a bit with Boss clear, dunno if im doing something wrong or is just inherent to this build (OP claims to clear t15 maps and endgame bosses with ease)

[bold thorn]

If you feel like you have to “outplay” stuff a lot and play defensively then maybe look into a better bow

[sand gull]

new patch new crash error message

[glad tapir]

which jewels are best for a minion build ?

[gusty bone]

Does Giant's Blood increase ALL weapons req by 3 and not just the 2H weapons it lets you wield 1Handed?

[unique sparrow]

i melt everything ngl

haha

but i think at that point in the game

[atomic horizon]

So everyone has 100 spirit base right?

Whats the best way to get 60 more?

[unique sparrow]

everything metls everything

[meager laurel]

guys is this good, i paid 4 exalt 4 chaos and 7 alchemy for it

[prime sapphire]

Hi guys

I have a question

Is there a website that shows the top builds being used rn

I watched a video snd it talked about s website with top 1000 builds

and u can see rhe top 20 or something

[tawdry mantle]

Does anyone have a clue how I create power charges on a lightning build more effectively? Executing low hp minions is so bloody slow and I cant find an ability that does it better. I need something for bossfights, I run out of steam.

[brave trench]

is it possible to dual wield quarterstaffs?
if yes, can you dual wield unique quarterstaffs? namely, pillar of the caged god

[strange stirrup]

What's the point of using ES if I can get a body armor the gives me the same +100 es, evasion, resistances etc. There's some dynamics in ES that I miss?

[latent dawn]

hmmm not really but you can check the builds of streamers usually with ease in their channels or their youtube or with links to maxroll or whatever other website they have their planner on

[wicked moss]

ding ding

[tawdry mantle]

Probably means PoENinja but that's not ready for PoE2 yet

[latent dawn]

no, Quarterstaves are "used" two-handed but are one-handed weapons, leaving the fist/palm skills usable

[brave trench]

... wait if they're one handed then why cant you dual wield them

[latent dawn]

they are held in one hand but swung with both

you need both hands to use one

[brave trench]

so they specifically made quarterstaffs work in a unique way to prevent dual wield? weird

[latent dawn]

probably to avoid dual pillar :p

[agile pelican]

What should my first 4 ascendancy points be for frost stormweaver?

[latent dawn]

this is an item usable at level 1 so... use it until you get a better rare or other unique when you get higher level

[latent dawn]

Profane ritual consumes corpses to give power charges

[shell temple]

if these are my current defenses, when buying armor, should i focus more on elemental resistances or do i still try to min-max shields?

I have a body armor with about 460 shield and 130% increase shields. But i want to get more resistance, do i drop to a lower amount of shields?

[latent dawn]

Resistances are Suffix, defensive stats like Energy Shield are prefixes

you can have both resistances and energy shield/armour/evasion

so you will want to find items that boost your defenses and your resistances at the same time

or have your resistances on jewelry - rings, amulet, belt

[spiral kraken]

can someone explain to me what im doing wrong lol, im at end game with max resitances for every element still just getting one shot

[shell temple]

hmm that's a good point, ty!

[latent dawn]

Use the dodge roll :p idk whats your exact situation though lol

[strange stirrup]

I thought there would be some cool synergies or dmg dynamics. Thanks man for the advice

[spiral kraken]

invoker monk. i have 2k health on tier one maps with max resiatances. lol

i kill an enemy it explodes under my feet i die

[latent dawn]

low level uniques rarely have end game relevance, even in PoE 1 that chest is one of the best league start items but is outgrown rapidly in favor of the better uniques or a good rare

[latent dawn]

what are your defenses like, are you on armour, evasion, energy shield? 2k life is definitely low and thats a current problem of the game - Life is hard to increase so you want them on like every piece of armour and where-ever else possible or you want to cover it with a large energy shield

[spiral kraken]

evasion and energy shield

[latent dawn]

how much ES do you have

[spiral kraken]

sitting at 1.4k health and 600 es

75% fire and cold 50% lightning and 10% chaos

[latent dawn]

yea so the total health + ES is too low

[spiral kraken]

at t1 maps?

[latent dawn]

it is a bit yes

you will need to path the skill tree to increase your Evasion/ES

[spiral kraken]

im sitting at 74% evasion rn

[latent dawn]

you will want to hunt or trade for a high PURE ES helm becase there's a really good Notable on the passive tree that grants +2 ES per 1 ES on your helmet - definitely go for that.

300ish or more Energy Shield helmet will give you a lot of Evasion

pure ES helm and pure ES chest is ideal, with increases to ES on the tree

[latent dawn]

ignore the pathing I took on the tree planner, just showing you the nodes

[royal quartz]

Do the Offensive Stance and Lay Siege Passives stack beyond your Block Cap? If I stack 140% chance to block but my cap is 75% Do I still get the damage from the extra 65%?

[latent dawn]

these 3 notables you should have, and upgrade to a pure ES helm like I said, would be a good start

and personally I've pathed all the way top-top-right tree for the +60% ES notable above the +25 int node

[burnt gust]

does atk speed from jewels also help with reload on xbow?

[violet geyser]

Is this increased weapon damage different from elemental damage increase from attacks in staffs?

[quiet folio]

Ice shot any good after it's buffs?

[latent dawn]

they would stack together, and it only applies on attacks using the weapon

[grave crane]

guys does archmage stack more with lightning damage spells?

[latent dawn]

I have no idea how to look for reload speed but I would assume no, attack speed only affects attacks

[frosty arrow]

So, apart from herald of ash what other spirit ability I could run on my grenadier. I kinda feel I don't even need much else. I tried banners, but I've not seen one activate at all. Everything seems low impact. Might just fill herald of ash with passives

[rich pine]

Is there are clear winner in the totem race? Like, is it just Shockwave Totem, or maybe Hammer of the God totems?

Or anything else?

[latent dawn]

defensive ones, Arctic armour - and if you're evasion you can get ghost dance and wind dancer

if you use poison you can get Plague Bearer to get a poison nova

[frosty arrow]

I've been using wind dancer pretty much because it gives you a cool ghostly trail. I don't think banners activate because the way I play grenadier I barely do any hits on enemies. I think it's a criterial. It's all aoe explosions

Even then, bonuses banners provide seem so incredibly lackluster

[latent dawn]

Banners are honestly awful to use lol

too much movement in this game for Stationary things

[frosty arrow]

And radius is apparently tiny too

They could use a big buff, or five

I can kinda see them working in smaller boss arenas. But having +5% of whatever for 6 seconds once a fight is just hilariously pointless

[latent dawn]

also if you have a lot of spirit available, you can go for a Blasphemy setup

Curse Aura is absolutely great

[frosty arrow]

Tell me more

[latent dawn]

whats your most damage

damage type

fire or ?

[rich pine]

Takes 100 Spirit, auto curses everything nearby. Everything besides phys damage over time is supported by one of the curses. Defensive curses are also quite good!

[frosty arrow]

Uh, fire and some physical I think. My playstyle is pretty much oil into frag, into explosive shot to detonate the entire screen. Gas for armor break on bosses. That's it

[latent dawn]

flammability would increase all fire dmg taken by enemies in your aura

so Blasphemy aura, socket in Flammability Curse and some curse support that increases the AoE - it can cost 60 or 84 spirit for this

[frosty arrow]

Would it stack with oil grenade?

[latent dawn]

yes, it lowers fire resist of those affected

this goes into negative resists

[fallow vault]

what's the absolute best place on the internet for looking for up-to-date POE2 builds?

[oblique marlin]

hey folks anyone know build that can run/travel/blink FAST?
tried Leap+shield charge but its too slow
Lightning wrap + ball lightning also slow for me.....

[rich pine]

Are you sure on that one? I have heard that resis doesnt go negative in POE2 anymore.

[latent dawn]

r/pathofexilebuilds
twitch channels and hopping between the usual PoE streamers
maybe forums

check the websites like maxroll and the other one I forget for updates to builds, etc..

[bold thorn]

That’s the problem then

[latent dawn]

Penetration is limited to 0, cannot go negative, resists are fine with exposure too below 0

[bold thorn]

Move away from the “explodes on death” enemies when they die

[rich pine]

I see!

[latent dawn]

literally the Blink spirit gem with +1 use and whatever else?

I imagine on Chronomancer you get a lot of blinks in a row?

[frosty arrow]

I'll have to think about the curse thing. I've been loving grenadier so far. I'm entering cruel now and so far just bully everything. By act 3 I saw bosses chunk for third of their health with my opening salvo, great feeling

[burnt gust]

Palsteron just told me ye on stream, he is experienced with POE so I trust him ^^ (both %increased Attack Speed with Crossbows and % increased Attack Speed)

[latent dawn]

so if you find the spirit for it: Blasphemy - support with Flammability, Heightened Curse (+24 spirit cost), ritualistic curse

And if you can move the Magnifier support from wherever you have it to Blasphemy to make the aura even bigger

[bold thorn]

During acts, your current weapon is gonna be 99% of your power. If you’ve recently bought a 1exalt weapon that’s good for your level you will steamroll that level bracket

[latent dawn]

very possible, I have no experience with reloads and couldnt see the reload timer on the stat screen, so if it works with atk speed thats great (:

[floral patio]

Are spells labeled Payoff classified as a trigger? Can't find anything that uses the Payoff label I see on hexblast

[frosty arrow]

I don't really buy or sell in these kinds of games. I use whatever I find with my characters

But I do have a baller crossbow by act 3 standards

[bold thorn]

During endgame you may struggle

[frosty arrow]

We shall find out

[bold thorn]

Or at least it will likely be significantly slower progress

[dawn spire]

It's on the Herald skills, I think

[latent dawn]

its a thing to make sure it can't re-add the curse it consumes back onto its targets

[frosty arrow]

I've not been following any guides, just winging it. And asking advice here and there. That might change

I only regret taking witch hunter and not gemling

[latent dawn]

and it will likely have more uses with future updates wwhere more skills/supports are added

never too late to reroll :p

Also Gemling has some crazy builds

one with Pillar of the Gods

deletes screens of mobs

[frosty arrow]

I just feel like in terms of synergy my style of grenadier doesn't have much in witch hunter tree

[floral patio]

Thanks. Hexblast is honestly incredibly powerful as is so was just trying to push it higher. Bummer

[frosty arrow]

So far I use decimating strike for the lols on bosses

I think I took vault boss to just above half health with my opening bombardment, with lucky proc of that passive. Skipped first phase entirely

[floral patio]

Cruel will humble you lol

[frosty arrow]

That's what I want

Because on normal this build is too oppressive. Two buttons to win

[rose forge]

hello boys, anyone knows if "Skill speed" also affects the fuse time of grenades?

[floral patio]

Atm Im running a one button win build and the lowered resistances will really keep you running and gunning

[latent dawn]

yea whether on self cast curse or on curse aura, lowering resists is big

[frosty arrow]

Also, as I understand accuracy doesn't matter for this kind of play, right? Because I didn't bother with any, and only have minimum required dex to equip shit

[latent dawn]

just wanted to add another thing to this, the Doryani prototype is in PoE2 - giving your own lightning res to enemies so you want super negative lightning res (ventor's gamble rings helps with -40 lightning res!) so negative res are still a big thing

[dawn spire]

I just looked at the witch hunter tree and I have no idea where you don't see the synergy with grenades.

Witch hunter looks so strong defensively and offensively just from the concentration nodes. Also exploding enemies pairs well with more explosions imo

[latent dawn]

There's too little info on Accuracy right now to know how much we actually need and how big the penalty is the further away x:

and yea some attacks ignore accuracy entirely, especially when its AoE explosions

[dawn spire]

Source for this? Or evidence

[frosty arrow]

Well, it's all explosions the way I play. The only direct hit I can do is explosive shot. And I don't care if I miss. All it does is detonate the payload of nades and has its own explosion

[latent dawn]

attacks that Hit would use accuracy but Area damage doesnt hit

area damage just happens

[dawn spire]

Oh, you mean like gas arrow?

[latent dawn]

yea

[frosty arrow]

I think same rules apply to players and mobs. We need acrobatics to dodge aoe

Mobs don't got it

[dawn spire]

Area damage over time, to be precise I suppose

[latent dawn]

exploding the gas

also not accuracy related

area damage

[dawn spire]

Really?

Right, but if you use a slam attack, are you saying accuracy doesn't affect that, too?

[frosty arrow]

Gas grenade doesn't even damage with the cloud. Cloud seems to do nothing, it just applied the dot in that area. You can even see it linger when you blow up the cloud

[latent dawn]

I'd have to check the stat screen for the slam as I dont use any

[dawn spire]

It just seems odd that the gas explosion doesn't use accuracy despite being an attack skill

[frosty arrow]

A lot of abilities have multiple "activations". Like explosive shot has a hit, but aoe explosions happens separately. You can even see different tabs for them in skill info

[dawn spire]

Yeah, but they're all "attacks", right?

[latent dawn]

the Hit part is what matters afaik

[frosty arrow]

Yes, the hit part is attack

[dawn spire]

And by definition, attack hits roll accuracy. Or so I thought

[dawn spire]

Is the gas explosion a hit?

[frosty arrow]

If explosive shot gets dodged and lands under monster's feet the aoe will still get them. As I understand it

[midnight ridge]

IDK about other classes, but everyone playing Stampeed on Warrior is dumb, it is one button build.... same as POE1, which is what GGG tried to avoid

[latent dawn]

I think the explosion comes from the Gas itself, not from the detonator skill

[dusk heart]

which one of these would you guys go for? arc sorc

[dawn spire]

You can use stampede on any class though. It sounds like it's an issue with stampede, not warrior. Also the shakeup happened less than 24 hours ago. We'll see what happens

[latent dawn]

yea if you check Gas Grenade, the explosion of the gas is included in that skill and its not a skill that Hits

[dawn spire]

Regardless of where it comes from, it's still an attack hit, is it not?

[midnight ridge]

Shakeup? You mean the patch?

[frosty arrow]

As I progress through the end game with my grenade boy I'll keep making sure I ignore accuracy. Just to see if it even matters on such build. Since nearly all my damage from explosions it should become easily apparent

[short notch]

is it worth picking up resolute technique on warrior or trying to get more accuracy? really struggling with evasion enemies rn im not sure how useful crit is

[dawn spire]

Can you screenshot it? Because if it isn't a hit it must be a damage over time. Does the explosion just ignite as though hitting?

[dawn spire]

You can check your crit chance and damage in the skill pane (dps tab). If you're not building for crit, resolute technique is almost always a dps boost

[frosty arrow]

Gas grenade has 3 components afaik. The "hit" is when it pops. It can deal a bit of damage. The cloud applies the dot, doesn't do the damage itself, and gas explosion is third. Triggered by ignited enemies and detonate abilities

[short notch]

thankyou

[frosty arrow]

I think explosion is just instance of aoe damage

[short notch]

didnt even know that was a tab lol

[dawn spire]

Every "instance of damage" in poe must either be a hit or damage over time. If it's not damage over time, it must be a hit. And if it's an attack, it therefore must be affected by accuracy