like 20% increased physical damage in a weapon
#2┃build-planning
sonic peak
30+ what
pure fox
in physical damage
last patio
am I tripping or can you not search for quarterstaffs in poe 2 trade?
sonic peak
...if yes, you meant added phys dmg
in general % is better in weapons
you can't roll % on armor, so you'll want the added phys
if you meant phys gem lvl, it depend a lot on the gem
if you meant some unique effect, idk, link the unique
cinder bramble
does cast storm affect charge time of Bonestorm?
amber lark
LETS GO
sacred sail
do you think we could use this like a poe 1 strike skills, melee splash mace, double handed 2 hand mace and just right click xD maybe warbringer
dmg is a bit low
last patio
what does corrupted mean on an item?
sacred sail
what does corrupted mean on an item?
unmodifiable, corruption is a gamble to add some nice modifier or a socket or make your item worse
sonic peak
yes
rotund oyster
Anyone tried experimenting with Stormweavers “Heart of the Storm” and something like Cloak of Fire? I was wondering if it could get to a level of being a legit defensive layer
last patio
trying to find a strong cold quarterstaff for lvl45 chronomancer T_T
ty
also how do you specifically search for items with cold damage where it's indicated in that screenshot? I can only seem to find filters for the blue text below
vivid ferry
can you upgrade belt quality?
sonic peak
also how do you specifically search for items with cold damage where it's indica...
you mean through vendors, or on the market?
rotund oyster
trying to find a strong cold quarterstaff for lvl45 chronomancer T_T
Are you meleeing with your chronomancer?
last patio
you mean through vendors, or on the market?
on the poe 2 trade site
last patio
Are you meleeing with your chronomancer?
yeah I'm trying to see if I can make a chronomonk with 83% life recoup over 3 seconds
ice build
sonic peak
on the poe 2 trade site
rotund oyster
yeah I'm trying to see if I can make a chronomonk with 83% life recoup over 3 se...
Ahh interesting. You should be able to search by cold damage to attacks
last patio
I mean where indicated in the screenshot, that's the blue text:
I'm looking to filter for this:
sonic peak
I mean where indicated in the screenshot, that's the blue text:
filter for 'Adds # to # Cold Damage to Attacks'
rough kelp
my build do no damage anyone have tips? am going spell crit
last patio
yeah base that deals cold, like where elemental damage is displayed
rough kelp
my build do no damage anyone have tips? am going spell crit
to add to this I also can't clear white mobs as fast on act 4
sonic peak
yeah base that deals cold, like where elemental damage is displayed
then it's much easier for you to go over all quarterstaff bases and see which one has cold dmg
last patio
ok, doesn't seem like there's a filter for that specifically
sonic peak
I doubt there's more than 2, if any
yeah, beucase inplicit cold dmg can only come from the base
last patio
Is this worth a lot, because I can't find a cold equivalent that's nearly as nice X_O
hollow idol
Do you guys think they will nerf cast on crit?
sonic peak
Is this worth a lot, because I can't find a cold equivalent that's nearly as nic...
what tier is that lightning mod?
I'm guessing it's low, but I haven't checked those mods too much
cunning carbon
Is this worth a lot, because I can't find a cold equivalent that's nearly as nic...
last patio
what tier is that lightning mod?
I wouldn't know how to find that information ^^'
sonic peak
I wouldn't know how to find that information ^^'
hold alt while hovering the item
karmic flicker
srs can be affected by minion instability?
sonic peak
it'll appear on the 'sides' of the item
last patio
oh nice!
cunning carbon
pretty op at this lvl
sonic peak
I wouldn't know how to find that information ^^'
the higher the 'T1', 'T2', etc, the more 'valuable' that mod is
last patio
sorry got a phone call. Yeah it says T2
sonic peak
then yeah, ain't that strong
lyric cape
hey guys, im leveling a ranger and wanted to use gas arrow, is there anyway I can explode the gas? should I use the ranger skills or do I need to use something else?
last patio
then yeah, ain't that strong
it only does 9 less damage than your lightning modifier and it's 3 tiers lower? X_X
sonic peak
hey guys, im leveling a ranger and wanted to use gas arrow, is there anyway I ca...
easier way is to get flame wall from the elemental tab
later on you get a bow skill that can ignite it
last patio
2-42 vs 1-50, yet it's twice as many tiers
sonic peak
it only does 9 less damage than your lightning modifier and it's 3 tiers lower? ...
it's more about the range
what does yours say?
mine (as in the pic) says (1-4) to (49-73)
last patio
oh wow i wasn't looking at the range
hold on phone call -_-
i gotta run an errand, brb sorry
amber lark
lvl 62
dim juniper
do ignites your minions do help towards cast on ignite?
lyric cape
later on you get a bow skill that can ignite it
like from a bow skill inside the bow
sonic peak
like from a bow skill inside the bow
yes
although you're better off still using flame wall prob
lyric cape
oh cool thnks!
solemn island
So, been told to use Upheaval with Sunder, but Upheaval halves the damage, is the fact that it also adds 2 fissures basically negating the damage reduction?
candid drum
ive been liking arc on stormweaver, does anyone have any advice on support gems? I got unleshed and controlled destruction currently on it looking for a 3rd to add
tawdry parcel
Perfect Strike any good support gems?
worldly axle
any recommendations for endgame chestplates for merc? not sure if theres anything special to look for
sonic peak
any recommendations for endgame chestplates for merc? not sure if theres anythin...
'merc' is kinda vague
what build
worldly axle
o right, explosive shot + gas/oil/flash
last patio
how is the bottom one lower in in elemental dps (33.81) when it has way better rolls on cold stats? sure the base damage is higher but the modifiers aren't nearly as good
trail compass
would inevitable critical and supercritical works with hammer of the gods?
sonic peak
o right, explosive shot + gas/oil/flash
maybe this
https://poe2db.tw/us/Xophs_Blood
don't know how close you stay to enemies in that build
worldly axle
im looking for body armour, not amulets
near jewel
guys, I sa a video by Zizaran where he uses totems. do youknow if he actually took these totems to maps? how far?
harsh gulch
do most of you play hardcore?
pine stream
can you leech fire damage? or only physical damage?
cedar karma
if i'm running a galvanic shards witch hunter, should i do +% phys or + lightning damage runes?
worldly axle
do most of you play hardcore?
no lo, barely anyone probably does
bold oxide
hey guys, im leveling a ranger and wanted to use gas arrow, is there anyway I ca...
radiant grief helmet is the best/easiest way. it should be pretty cheap on the trade site
sonic peak
I thought the explosion dmg was based on the 'igniter' dmg, or is it based on gas arrow stats?
trail compass
would inevitable critical and supercritical works with hammer of the gods?
rapid seal
Anyone here with totem build doing maps?
trail compass
totem build works fine, but its so boring. im trying to change build into actual melee LOL
bold oxide
I thought the explosion dmg was based on the 'igniter' dmg, or is it based on ga...
they are thinking about making that change in the future but currently it does not work that way for the gas arrow skill gem. i think it does work that way for some other ones though, like the skeletal sniper minion who can shoot gas arrows
rapid seal
totem build works fine, but its so boring. im trying to change build into actual...
I am also with totem, but not sure how I can boost my damage for higher tier maps...
trail compass
I am also with totem, but not sure how I can boost my damage for higher tier map...
totems scale with gem lvl, after certain point u cant get more skill levels so they fade out
rapid seal
totems scale with gem lvl, after certain point u cant get more skill levels so t...
yeah exactly final dmg will come from 2x 2h maces with +6 to melee skills
trail compass
yeah i just respecced trying to make earthshatter work now
static plinth
EDC?
vocal pelican
what node should warrior put on their necklace for endgame?
vapid mantle
if i get a quiver with pierce, can i drop the pierce passive on the skill tree?
rapid seal
yeah i just respecced trying to make earthshatter work now
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X1K1dP5KA2o check this tho 15tier map np
brazen verge
witchhunter or gemling?
somber pendant
Blackflame doesn't apply to minion ignites does it? Playing infernalist and wanting to try some chaos shenanigans but not sure how to go about it
main sinew
Ok any brainers in ehre? Would teh quality on Pcoc affect ALL of my poisons? It does not state "by this skill" like bleedcoc does.....https://i.imgur.com/hYWOj2X.png
trail compass
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X1K1dP5KA2o check this tho 15tier map np
meh totems are so boring to me, just abused them early on since warrior early game was awful
copper idol
Is the Overwhelm node (and others like it) generally a trap? Intuition says the loss in attack speed wayyyy overrides the increased damage.
(For context, Overwhelm is 5% Reduced Attack Speed, 20% increased Stun buildup, 40% increased damage with 2h Weapons. Also for context, I'm wielding a crossbow, in case it matters)
limpid turtle
i'll test
2h user
um
hrm
i mean, i guess? https://i.imgur.com/6blfVUI.png
copper idol
hrm is right lol
fickle fiber
is there a tanky poe2 build that has good mob clear and does not rely on ES shennigans?
seems like many popular builds are utilizing that mana recoup belt or that ES unique necklace
limpid turtle
the attack speed reduction is there
but damage stays about the game?
without https://i.imgur.com/QLMVEvq.png
wooden iris
dual wield 2hander barbarian coming along nicely 🔨
wooden iris
sorry i didn't mean to reply, i don't know why it tagged that person 🙏
mortal cloak
So I'm kinda of confused on something about the weapon passive skill sets....maybe someone can clarify. I have 2 passive skill points right now, 2 for weapon set 1 and 2 for weapon set 2. If I try to use all 4 of the weapon set 1/2 it takes my 2 passive also...but I can use 1 of the passive and then the 4 weapon set ones and it only takes 1 of my passive instead of 2...wtf?
Like if I just use the 4 weapon set passives I have right now, it will eat both of my passives I have...but if I spend 1 first then I can still use the 4 weapon set ones...so where does that 2nd passive go if I use the 4 weapon set points while having 2 passive points...it's just gone?!??!
light fractal
any mirage attacks/supports/uniques in the game? looking for a bunch of dudes to spawn visually when i hit something
limpid turtle
Interesting, is bleed chance additive?
lavish pine
im pretty happy with my amulet
how much for similar amulet?
limpid turtle
worldly axle
how much for similar amulet?
got that amulet for 4ex somehow
lavish pine
ok thx
ionic blaze
wtf is the quality on herald skills? cant seem to find it on poe2db
frosty arrow
can you change ascendancy via perk refunds, or it's set in stone once you pick one?
unique snow
can you change ascendancy via perk refunds, or it's set in stone once you pick o...
you cant change them currently. they still discuss if they want to keep that
frosty arrow
I see. Thanks
verbal blaze
are there catalysts for belts or quality upgrade for belts????
radiant raven
Anyone know exactly how support gem damage scales? Wanted to make a physical damage mercenary, but Armour Explosion is 100% fire conversion. If it's attached to a projectile skill (AP Rounds in this case), does the explosion scale off of projectile and 2h weapon nodes?
ionic blaze
example:
https://poe2db.tw/us/Herald_of_Thunder
Is there a deeper breackdown of quality?
unique snow
Is there a deeper breackdown of quality?
not sure what you mean
verbal blaze
are there catalysts for belts or quality upgrade for belts????
ionic blaze
not sure what you mean
Im guessing this explain 0 to 20%, im gemling so i can get up to 36% quality
dreamy pine
Guys im using Blashphemy so my curse applies to nearby enemies. shouldnt decaying hex support work with that?
undone crown
how good is this staff? i have aa decent wand/shield for fire levels + spell damage already, idk if this trumps them both for fire witch
verbal blaze
are there catalysts for belts or quality upgrade for belts????
unique snow
Im guessing this explain 0 to 20%, im gemling so i can get up to 36% quality
yea. its linear scaling. 40% quality always grants double of 20%
unique snow
are there catalysts for belts or quality upgrade for belts????
pls stop spamming every couple seconds. people answer if they know it
try the wiki first
ionic blaze
yup but whitout a breakdown im not sure when the +1 occur, logic tell me each 10% is +1 but im not sure
supple jay
in the skill tree how do you combine multiple keywords
to highlight passives that have either X OR Y keyword instead of X AND Y
ionic blaze
could be that 36% would give me +4 instead of +3
unique snow
yup but whitout a breakdown im not sure when the +1 occur, logic tell me each 10...
yep thats usually how its handled
charred onyx
How can I trigger shock with ball lightning? It says in the videos presenting the skill that it is "very effective" at triggering shock but I can't manage do to it x)
unique snow
could be that 36% would give me +4 instead of +3
no it pretty much always rounds down. its 3
in almost all cases the decimal places are cut off
copper idol
How can I trigger shock with ball lightning? It says in the videos presenting th...
Every hit has a 1% chance to shock for every 4% of ailment threshold-worth of damage you hit them with
Ball lightning has a huge multiplier to that 1%
amber lark
so how do you get the other 2 ascendary points
unique snow
How can I trigger shock with ball lightning? It says in the videos presenting th...
do you have supports that also help with shocking? otherwise its most likely a dmg problem
dreamy pine
does decaying hex support not work with curses socketed in blasphemy?
grand jacinth
are you testing if it has shocked by seeing if your cast on shock spell activates? Because if so, I have news for you...
night wagon
can anyone suggest any support gems that could go with this skill, like maybe a faster charge up time or multiple shots?
charred onyx
Every hit has a 1% chance to shock for every 4% of ailment threshold-worth of da...
Yeah but the damage of ball lightning is super low
charred onyx
do you have supports that also help with shocking? otherwise its most likely a d...
yes I do, I have also a lot of points in my tree in "chance to shock" and "chance to inflict elem ailments"
unique snow
Yeah but the damage of ball lightning is super low
thats why it has this mod
jade viper
what does power siphon do? I always get charges but i don't know how to use them, am a witch
silver warren
Are there any “more critical hit chance” or is everything just “additional”?
charred onyx
thats why it has this mod
I know x) But I still can"t trigger shock
silver warren
On items or passive
unique snow
I know x) But I still can"t trigger shock
what other supports do you use
severe spruce
Question for any Mercs out here! Is armor breaking useless on a nade build? Since the physical damage is comberted to fire damage on detonation, I imagine these don't combo, right?
brazen verge
guys sorry for asking this but do I need to spend both weapon set 1 and 2 points for the thing to work or can I do it at any time separately?
brazen verge
Question for any Mercs out here! Is armor breaking useless on a nade build? Sinc...
armor is for physical dmg, yep. not sure about grenade build per se
jade sequoia
should this work with the minion node for giving your amulet to minions like is it just bugged or is it a dead amulet choice
charred onyx
@unique snow Conduction/Stomfire/coursing current
unique snow
should this work with the minion node for giving your amulet to minions like is ...
i would expect it to give you those buffs if your minions have the amulet
rugged kraken
Does barrage work with snipe?
jade sequoia
i would expect it to give you those buffs if your minions have the amulet
its not represented on the minions stats in terms of crit or attack speed that i can see i cant really make out a noticable increase in attack speed but it may be working
jade sequoia
but because its only taking them from +30 to +46 its not as much of noticable difference
attackspeed
lime breach
Quick question ... Blasphemy why cant i use it with wand ?
unique snow
Quick question ... Blasphemy why cant i use it with wand ?
its not related to wands. do you have enough spirit to use it?
jade sequoia
Quick question ... Blasphemy why cant i use it with wand ?
its very spirit heavy
60 spirit per curse
lime breach
have 90
charred onyx
what other supports do you use
Conduction/Stomfire/coursing current (didnt answered to you the 1st time sorry for double message)
unique snow
its not represented on the minions stats in terms of crit or attack speed that i...
what do you mean with "not represented on minion stats"?
i expected you to use the keystone + mastery to grant the buff to yourself via the minions wearing the amulet
i would also expect an aura buff to not show up in the minion stat sheet as the aura is not always guaranteed to affect any or even all minions
unique snow
Conduction/Stomfire/coursing current (didnt answered to you the 1st time sorry f...
and you werent able to even shock any white mobs with this setup?
charred onyx
and you werent able to even shock any white mobs with this setup?
exactly
I can shock them with other lighting spell almost instantly
but not this one
unique snow
thats very weird
charred onyx
I know I dont know where I messed up
Lightning warp shocks almost all the time for example
unique snow
well lightning warp has shocked ground so thats a given
charred onyx
well lightning warp has shocked ground so thats a given
yeah...
Maybe I should invest on the stormweaver ascendancy "all damage form hits contributes to shock chance" idk
unique snow
do you even deal non lightning dmg with your ball lightning?
charred onyx
do you even deal non lightning dmg with your ball lightning?
non lightning ? no
unique snow
that node does nothing then
charred onyx
So this node can help^if I do lets say cold damage
unique snow
it just means that non lightning dmg can also contribute to shocks
charred onyx
yeah, I just wanted to have more chances to shock one way or another
edgy knot
is there some way to look up all support gems that are compatible with a skill?
or do you have to look through your inventory/interact with an uncut gem
unique snow
yeah, I just wanted to have more chances to shock one way or another
with your setup your ball lightning should have a guaranteed shock when dealing like 1-2% of the enemy health in a single hit. there has to be something else. some kind of support, item, tree node or bug that doesnt allow you to shock
runic bison
Other than some Element Threshold on the tree, and reduced Ignite duration on a chest armour, is there any other significant way to reduce ignites upon my person (Witch)?
hoary plover
Anyone been using zealot's oath? thinking i might try a hybrid regen thing, wondering if anyone has experience with it
charred onyx
with your setup your ball lightning should have a guaranteed shock when dealing ...
I'll continue to check where I can if I have something that prevents me to shock, thank you 🙂
graceful hazel
Guys i rock an invoker monk, and want to solve power charge problems, now i use siphoning strike on shocked enemies, im lvl 59,and soon i can try cast on crit, would it work eith profane ritual to generate power charges?
orchid cosmos
There should be a list of like "Build Ideas" -- no guide or anything really, just some ideas you can theory craft on. I'd really like that
graceful hazel
Or any better ides, thats auto charges it fast?
late prism
I am trying to slot frost bomb on cast on freeze but it does not let me activate. I have enough spirit
glad granite
around what gem level are you guys starting with vine arrow? i'm still leveling and am not sure when it starts hitting hard enough to warrant using
mystic shard
how fast does energy shield rechage, I think its a percentage of its max right?
orchid torrent
can you use raging spirits with non-fire spells and minions? it seems like your only option is the fire ones because of it
ancient osprey
idk if anyone knows the answer or not but is it intended that when converting ES to Mana with Eldritch Battery that ES from sources other then the gear itself dont get converted? examples of this is i was thinking of running evasion ES gear so i could take the nodes on the tree that give both but when taking any ES nodes on the skill tree my mana does not increase. this also happens with atziris disdain unique hel which converts % health to ES when paired with Eldritch Battery it gives you ES and does not increase mana
covert fossil
can you use raging spirits with non-fire spells and minions? it seems like your ...
Srs are only summoned by fire based skills but yes you can absolutely have different elemental minions
orchid torrent
Srs are only summoned by fire based skills but yes you can absolutely have diffe...
Im going minions with my char doing debufs and exposure tho (with extra exposure from my stotrmweaver and they go ham), so kind of only single element works, mixing them just decreases value
but if I go one of the two exposures cold there's no real way I see to use the one extra good minion based skill srs
do we know if they are putting in the game the one they removed on launch day?
covert fossil
Im going minions with my char doing debufs and exposure tho (with extra exposure...
Correct you’d still lose value in that regard. Not understanding your other question though
orchid torrent
they removed a witch minion things on launch day, leaving SRS the main remaining options, I'm wondering if that's why it feels like there's so few ways to go about it and if they are putting that in
tacit flame
anyone know if this is a working build https://maxroll.gg/poe2/build-guides/spark-archmage-stormweaver-leveling
jagged pawn
Am I missing something or is the duration shown on the tooltip for Contagion not even close to correct? Tooltip says 5 seconds duration but actual against white enemies is about half that?
ancient osprey
anyone know if this is a working build https://maxroll.gg/poe2/build-guides/spar...
it is a viable build this is similar to my current build it was kinda weak in the first half but really took off in the second half
covert fossil
they removed a witch minion things on launch day, leaving SRS the main remaining...
are you reffering to specters? cause specter based is not the only way to play minions
orchid torrent
are you reffering to specters? cause specter based is not the only way to play m...
ah yeah I think those ones were the removed ones
do we know if they are coming back
pine elm
anyone know if this is a working build https://maxroll.gg/poe2/build-guides/spar...
currently using spark + mana tempest for bossing
and ball lightning + lightning warp for mobbing.
very viable. No need uniques
orchid torrent
well yeah, clearly there are other ways, it just seems kind of limiting - e.g. your one best thing is SRS which is just stacking with fire ones
pine elm
spent like 700k golds just to reset.
hushed umbra
Can I get max totem limit above 3 + 1 from support gem?
covert fossil
yes, they just werent in a good sport for the launch, but they will be added in
pine elm
They seriously need to reduce the cost
orchid torrent
I got to cruel and have been trying to fuck around with reseting to theorycrafted more off beat builds, but between the options being so limiting, synergies so few, and respecs being so expensive it's not going amazing
barren dew
Does anyone play archer?
I have questions with tree
rapid seal
Can I get max totem limit above 3 + 1 from support gem?
- 2 from passive + 1 from amulet(+ 1 from support but this is not good if main dps)
brisk crag
Anyone have a good warrior build they are following?
dreamy pine
can you get more than 2 curses active? I only know the one from the skill tree
rapid seal
Anyone have a good warrior build they are following?
I am doing totem build its nice i like it, its early level friendly
brisk crag
I am doing totem build its nice i like it, its early level friendly
You got a link?
mystic shard
how many passive skill points will everyone have by level 100?
rapid seal
You got a link?
check zizaran on youtube
silk juniper
how many passive skill points will everyone have by level 100?
122
hushed umbra
+ 2 from passive + 1 from amulet(+ 1 from support but this is not good if main d...
WHat amulet?
I can't find anything
paper vine
is Ben's stormweaver guide actually any good? Its very popular but untested and my dmg has fallen off quit a bit in act 2
rapid seal
WHat amulet?
I can't find anything
Idol of Uldurn
brisk hemlock
Why can't I use this? It requires 60 Spirit, and I have 60 Spirit
frosty arrow
it's so annoying how putting unearth on your lmb makes it absolutely impossible to pick up items unless you pop every single corpse in vicinity first
something for them to work on
plain loom
Hey guys, maybe I'm a noob but does it feel like your auto attack is your best DPS option? Feels like it on Titan
spring temple
Why can't I use this? It requires 60 Spirit, and I have 60 Spirit
you need to unsocket it, resocket it, put an active skill gem in it first, then enable it
the tooltip is wrong
barren dew
Which option is better, first or second for an archer?
last patio
new to trading, was this a good deal for 1 exalt?
jagged pawn
new to trading, was this a good deal for 1 exalt?
Fair deal, 25% movement increase is very good by itself
last patio
most everything else had like half of this evasion rating and no other boots with 30% resist were for cheaper than 2 exalts
ok good
ty
north zinc
Any idea why some skill gem upgrades augment nothing but the cost of mana? Doesn't make sense
timid aurora
I'm just confused about warrior
I reached the Mansion. I die before I can get 1 swing off
its very slow
the animation
lofty grotto
Any idea why some skill gem upgrades augment nothing but the cost of mana? Doesn...
they always change something, check second skill description tab
timid aurora
I don't know if I have much left in me to continue this lol
brisk hemlock
you need to unsocket it, resocket it, put an active skill gem in it first, then ...
Unsocket, it, Active skill gem. These 3 phrases I don't understand in this context
Oh gonna youtube it. Seems liek a common issue
last patio
what are the stat priorities for a monk on gear (not weapon)?
spring temple
Unsocket, it, Active skill gem. These 3 phrases I don't understand in this conte...
unsocket it = remove the gem from that socket so that it's an item again. active skill gem = a spell that you're hoping to "trigger" by using cast on freeze. like if you want to cast Comet when you freeze things, then you need to get a Comet gem and put it in the open slots
last patio
do you want life total before resists?
spring temple
basically turn it off and on again
timid aurora
any tips on warrior act 1?
daring nova
What class have you all been enjoying the most?
timid aurora
mercenary
ranged is fun
Warrior has probably been the worst time i have had in any arpg
jagged pawn
Sorceress. Difficult early game but snowballs to huge potential.
spring temple
do you want life total before resists?
no you pretty much always want resists to hit 75% before working on life
barren dew
Which option is better, first or second for an archer?
last patio
no you pretty much always want resists to hit 75% before working on life
So resists, then evasion/armour/ES, then life?
brisk hemlock
unsocket it = remove the gem from that socket so that it's an item again. active...
Oh what the heck, so it's a skill within a skill.
spring temple
So resists, then evasion/armour/ES, then life?
i'd do resists, then 50/50 on defenses/life
last patio
oh ok great, ty
spring temple
Oh what the heck, so it's a skill within a skill.
yup, you can put multiple skills in there if you want but i think most people just put 1
last patio
my build will have 83% life recoup over 3 seconds, so I assume I want to max the shit out of evasion before anything else
defense wise*
jagged pawn
Oh what the heck, so it's a skill within a skill.
Yes. The "Cast on [trigger]" spirit gems have sockets. You socket the active skills you want to trigger into those sockets. The spirit cost to activate this varies with the number of socketed skills, and the skills don't trigger with every occurrence of the trigger. Read the tooltip for specific info.
spring temple
evasion usually has diminishing returns? especially if you're looking at evasion on your helm/gloves/boots vs your body armor
i'd definitely focus on evasion for the body armor since it can get so much
last patio
glad to know. at what point does it have diminishing returns? I'm also going to be using wind dance
or whichever dance builds ES based on evasion rating
spring temple
you can toggle wind dance on and off and see how much it changes your actual % chance to evade to get an idea
last patio
I'm trying to make a chronomonk, took all the % max ES starter nodes, so I'll have double ES
spring temple
i wouldn't bend over backwards to get 3 evasion mods on a helmet or something when i could just get 100 life or whatever
last patio
or i'm about to take, have 50 skill points to blow X_X
Ok
I have no experience so I have no idea how much life I even want to focus on with this life recoup plan lol
like what if I get all this ES and I get 1 shot when I take a hit ^^'
spring temple
you won't if you're ES
but what will happen is you'll take all your ES as damage, recoup will do nothing because you haven't lost life yet, and then you'll be kind of stuck around half "health"
last patio
Actually this gear won't really matter when I'm high enough level to do maps where you can be 1 shot with any stats
spring temple
so it'll be a little dodgy
hybrid monk can avoid getting oneshot in maps
evasion/ES monk with ghost step is quite durable
primal zodiac
what do u think about that monk invoker for bows
spring temple
espcially if you have room for wind dancer
jagged pawn
I don't think evasion has "diminishing returns" exactly because chance to evade is a function of attack accuracy.
round quartz
Maybe someone have good writen guide for SRS?
hexed arrow
just double checking, with lifetap support gem, itll just stop using the skill if you hit too low hp right? vs killing you
severe spruce
Aside from "Area Attacks" do grenade explosions also count as "hits" and can they crit?
spring temple
yes, the life will be a "cost" you can't pay
jagged pawn
Returns will diminish with game progress if you can't stack evasion sufficiently high for late game content
primal zodiac
im thinking about making my monk change for bow and for poison skills
icy dome
does "dashing" count as "moving" or as "teleporting" for the purposes of this skill
spring temple
the dash on siphoning strike is pretty small isn't it?
icy dome
can be quite big tho, 2 meters isnt much
last patio
espcially if you have room for wind dancer
was planning on this. how would you divy up life / es / er if you had 83% recoup/3s?
I don't know if the recoup plan is going to be worth it, but it sounds cool, especially with temporal rift. I wanna be able to handle the highest tier maps
unique sparrow
im trying to max out fire damage as a ranger, what should i look at on the passive tree? Im pretty new
spring temple
was planning on this. how would you divy up life / es / er if you had 83% recoup...
tough call tbh. i think if you're investing in recoup you should have a max life roll on every piece of equipment possible, going as high as you can within budget (so make sure resists are high first, then pay for a max life roll), and only buy hybrid es/evasion bases
body armor is the only piece i would hardcore focus on ES/evasion mods though
it definitely amounts to the most
last patio
ok glad to know. Just wasn't sure with the ghost dancer relying on evasion. ty
really appreciate the input ^^
spring temple
my monk runs ghost step + wind dancer and as long as i keep my charges up and don't just try to facetank, i feel very durable
sometimes you gotta run out of there even if your health is high just because you might have run out of charges though
my gut feeling is if i notice a wind gale then i'm probably low on charges
last patio
I imagine what I REALLY need to focus on is surviving high tier bosses
spring temple
i haven't run any pinnacles or anything but regular map bosses die without moving usually
freeze + tempest bell is kind of dumb
twilit cairn
What does Endurance Charges do in POE2 ?
last patio
would you know if temporal rift deletes the life recoup initated before you use the skill? Or would you rewind to near full health and STILL get the recoup?
if that makes sense
spring temple
hmmmm i have no idea to be honest
the description reads like it would keep the recoup going
brisk hemlock
yup, you can put multiple skills in there if you want but i think most people ju...
If I put Frostbolt in to this. and Frostbolt freezes an enemy, it works like a charm where I get energy shield?
spring temple
If I put Frostbolt in to this. and Frostbolt freezes an enemy, it works like a c...
i'm not actually sure. when i trigger a skill with something like that, it seems to be unable to generate more energy
last patio
being allowed 1 mistake every 6 seconds and getting to instantly refill ES to full without paying mana sounds fantastic
empty ledge
Does anyone know if spell bonuses on the passive tree effect damage over time from contagion and ED?
brisk hemlock
i'm not actually sure. when i trigger a skill with something like that, it seems...
This sounded fantastically OP where I'd freeze everything and keep regenerating shields through dmg
last patio
actually eternal youth could be huge here
spring temple
i haven't tried eternal youth, it sounds like it could be really good OR a headache
like do you just die if you get hit with a strong poison?
oh i guess you have time warp to bail you out
solemn marlin
is this a good deal for witch summoner build?
spring temple
sounds good
last patio
oh right
frigid ermine
Does anyone know how % and flat mods are calculate to each other ?
Like I was running some number on body armor to see what is most beneficial on Dex vs Dex/int.
I have this but can’t test it rn. If anyone has done similar work would love to be confirmated!
Max total evasion take in account the 100% boost from the bestial skin node
Max total ES takes in account spectral ward node
solemn marlin
good deal or no
last patio
my main fear is that not taking invoker and using chronomancer for monk is gonna gut my damage
icy dome
being allowed 1 mistake every 6 seconds and getting to instantly refill ES to fu...
lmk how it pans out for you, i want to try it as well
spring temple
Does anyone know how % and flat mods are calculate to each other ?
Like I was ru...
this looks right to me. are you including +20% quality?
icy dome
all i know is that for what i'm trying, unbound avatar isn't good and elemental expression is insane (it triggers of charged staff, which i didn't expect)
spring temple
my main fear is that not taking invoker and using chronomancer for monk is gonna...
my invoker nodes are full defensive right now, damage feels fine
frigid ermine
this looks right to me. are you including +20% quality?
Nope!
That’s true I didn’t !
spring temple
could be a lot better after i get more points and take actual damage nodes, but it's functional even without an ascendancy at all if i'm honest
last patio
not sure how savy you are with nodes yet but this is what I'm about to spec. Doing shattering palm (with blind support) + herald of ice + hypothermia with double curse area (node that gives free hinder) and node that gives 30% dmg vs hindered enemies
frigid ermine
Where does it fit tho x) I guess it’s an other line between total and max total
last patio
my invoker nodes are full defensive right now, damage feels fine
that's fantastic to hear lol. I was really worried about damage
spring temple
it's just 1.2 x total at the end of everything
sage tulip
Hi I am trying to find a support gem that extends skill range, I was thinking of extending incinerate range is there somehting for range or would I just use something that increases AOE for that ?
spring temple
also if you need more you can double socket the armor and put 2 iron runes in it
for +40% more
(increased, not total)
timid aurora
Anyone got tips on killing werewolf boss as lolWarrior?
frigid ermine
Its just the relation between nodes and all that makes it a headache
spare quartz
Does essence of haste add a speed modifier to any equipment slot
timid aurora
it was the easiest boss ever as Mercenary
spare quartz
Or only boots
spring temple
not sure how savy you are with nodes yet but this is what I'm about to spec. Doi...
if you're going freeze i would highly recommend the node that ignores frozen monster resistance
timid aurora
as Warrior its harder than darksouls
frigid ermine
Like these 2 don’t interact for example
last patio
if you're going freeze i would highly recommend the node that ignores frozen mon...
I was actually planning on that node! I just figured I'd prioritize damage and the herald of ice node first
mortal cloak
Is this actually 30% chance or nah?
frigid ermine
I don’t think it’s 20% of post nodes, it’s 20% pre nodes
twilit cairn
Does minions benefit from "increased area of effect" ? and i suppose curses do yes ??
spring temple
Like these 2 don’t interact for example
yeah the first one counts as a "conversion" of sorts and those don't care about mods before conversion
last patio
if you're going freeze i would highly recommend the node that ignores frozen mon...
Tho I was mainly worried that it would suck against bosses I have no idea how often I can expect to freeze
spring temple
i use frost wave but honestly if you're going cold things just freeze on their own all the time forever
last patio
kinda have to reach for that node
spring temple
yeah it's a reach but it's REALLY helpful for "cold resistant" magic/rare mobs
deft verge
good deal or no
kinda meh
last patio
yeah and it has some really good crit nodes adjacent. I'll def give it a try.
spring temple
Does minions benefit from "increased area of effect" ? and i suppose curses do y...
minions have their own increased AOE mod
last patio
https://youtu.be/DGgCGeYoPs0?si=iLZVC0s6TRISWGdw&t=294 time stamped for an example of what I'm building toward
mortal cloak
Anyone please ? Is this 30% actual pierce chance or 30% increase to current chance?
deft verge
how could it be better
didnt see its an armor
spring temple
https://youtu.be/DGgCGeYoPs0?si=iLZVC0s6TRISWGdw&t=294 time stamped for an examp...
tbh mine looked a lot like this without having to use shattering palm
balmy meteor
hi wonderful people is there a full on minion build around? I REALLLY FUCKING miss animate weapon and would loooove a build similar to that, just an army of fast-weird-minions critting everything in sight
last patio
I'm skipping a lot of evasion rating nodes tho, so I'm worried it won't work out
deft verge
let me look again
spring temple
i went all-in on herald of ice and it kind of wipes everything
agile moat
Heart of the Storm with Eldritch Battery: Does it work? Does Energy Shield Recoup translate into mana recoup?
spring temple
but i did use shattering palm when the enemies were spread out
timid aurora
Alright first time i have given up on a game lol. Alt-F4 right out of that werewolf boss
spring temple
also tbh mine looked way stronger and faster, so what you see in the video is definitely achievable
summer ermine
A bit of a skill related question - Does Ligthing Arrow works if it pierces an enemy? Does it chain properly?
timid aurora
When I log back in im deleting the warrior just gonna stick with merc
last patio
I really kinda wanna see if cast on freeze is still viable, you get a LOT of freezes with this build and then you have this node:
timid aurora
what is the best merc build atm?
spring temple
I really kinda wanna see if cast on freeze is still viable, you get a LOT of fre...
i found it very mana-hogging, i switched to CoC
deft verge
good deal or no
for 25 ex, you would want more than 18 armor +8 max energy shield and +30 maximum life
spring temple
it'll cost you more nodes that you don't look like you have the points for yet, but it's enough to get triggers semi-frequently for the damage bonus
vestal idol
what are the more op builds now ? whatever class ? i ahve some good class just want an op one 😛
solemn marlin
for 25 ex, you would want more than 18 armor +8 max energy shield and +30 maximu...
okay, but the rolls itself are what i should be looking for right?
spring temple
without draining your mana (depends on what you wanna cast)
i was casting winter orb for crit weakness and temple bell procs
or eye of winter, whatever it's called
deft verge
okay, but the rolls itself are what i should be looking for right?
i would like to say so yeah
rustic abyss
On lightning arrow ranger i just got my first Great jewellers orb, would you guys go ligthning arrow first and upgrade skill quality to 20?
deft verge
okay, but the rolls itself are what i should be looking for right?
this one is pretty good if youre at the 25-30 range
solemn marlin
this one is pretty good if youre at the 25-30 range
yeah its just really hard to get 86 strength on a witch tbh
last patio
I was thinking hypothermia. especially since I have these. the nodes leading to zone of control total 100% curse area increase. I'm just worried it won't be worth the 7 nodes
last patio
actually that would drain the living shit out of my mana probably, I remember that curse being expensive as a mage
spring temple
yes it's incredibly expensive
i only really wanted curses on rares/uniques so i just used hand of chayula
spare fog
is it possible to refund '+ 5 to any attribute' passives? I can only seem to change them
spring temple
i socketed both palm shattering palm and hand of chayula
spring temple
is it possible to refund '+ 5 to any attribute' passives? I can only seem to cha...
if you're changing them, that means something else is connected to it and it would break your tree to refund it
last patio
yeah I have no idea what I'm running into. Spent way too much time planning and not playing lol
crisp arrow
What are other things that can give movement outside of nodes, boots and Thrillsteel helmet? I want to build a 1 shot or get 1 shooted warrior build
spare fog
if you're changing them, that means something else is connected to it and it wou...
thank you!
last patio
Watch hypothermia be a total waste for mapping
barren jetty
this are my current stats. what should I focus on to get a bit mroe tanky? jsut chaos resist + more life if possible?
spring temple
hypothermia ends up being kind of a waste because you ignore resists on frozen enemies already
i still used it for single target cus it helps me get that first freeze better
but sometimes i don't need it
spring temple
this are my current stats. what should I focus on to get a bit mroe tanky? jsut ...
those last few points of cold/lightning res will be incredibly impactful
barren jetty
those last few points of cold/lightning res will be incredibly impactful
oh so try to get them all to 75 and then go for more life?
and maybe some offinsive stats
spring temple
going from 57->75 cold res will almost halve the damage you take
livid flume
how does life recovery / life regeneration feel? good or weak? how much do u really need
supple jay
in the skill tree how do you combine multiple keywords
to highlight passives that have either X OR Y keyword instead of X AND Y
barren jetty
going from 57->75 cold res will almost halve the damage you take
oh okay. didnt know that
thanks
barren jetty
going from 57->75 cold res will almost halve the damage you take
thanks. I feel like I do enough dmg but on t5 I almsot get 1 shot on some affix
dreamy pine
is there a way to increase the amount of curses you can afflict to the same enemy beyond 1?
spring temple
chaos will do that, i'm cheap so i left my chaos resist low and i get slapped all the time
but also that cold res and lightning res can be dangerous against certain mods
silent wing
Hm so anyone know exactly how The Adorned works? Is it if I have a magic jewel it just doubles (if its max roll, obviously less so with a lesser %) the values of its one prefix and suffix? Important since I only care about two mods, one being a prefix and the other suffix
spring temple
is there a way to increase the amount of curses you can afflict to the same enem...
whispers of doom on the tree, doedre's damning Unique Ring
dreamy pine
whispers of doom on the tree, doedre's damning Unique Ring
oh ok, ty so the max is 3?
spring temple
idk what the max is but that might be right
rugged kraken
Does herald of ice explosion stack with Load fragmentation rounds? they both explode frozen targets.. wondering if they stack
spring temple
it's way higher in POE 1 so i'm sure there's something else i don't know about
ionic blaze
Did they change how uncut work with corrupted gems?
last patio
yeah it's a reach but it's REALLY helpful for "cold resistant" magic/rare mobs
do you find it being valuable at all for bosses? thin ice or whatever it's called
spring temple
Does herald of ice explosion stack with Load fragmentation rounds? they both exp...
i can't really tell. i feel like the answer is "no" because if i shoot a single target i don't see the herald of ice explosion, but if it's standing next to another mob then sometimes i do
spring temple
do you find it being valuable at all for bosses? thin ice or whatever it's calle...
i can't tell because i specced it pretty early on so my baseline is using that node (heavy frost and thin ice)
but mostly what happens to bosses is after i freeze them, i drop a temple bell and hit both of them and the boss gets deleted
last patio
HMMM
I guess I'll skip the curse idea since it'll likely be annoying having to place it everywhere
it'll give me enough to path there with what I have
silent matrix
"While dual wielding both weapons hit with 30% less dmg", does that mean if I dual wield two equally good maces they both contribute to one bleed or does each weapon calc their own bleed dmg seperately, applying only the better one? Aka does it count as one hit or two hits?
spring temple
sounds like 2 hits
silent matrix
because the tooltip is very confusing, it doesnt seem to take the dual wield into account. "average dmg per use" goes down when I equip second mace
spring temple
there's not really a good way to combine 2 weapon hits into one
pearl vortex
Does Skeletal Storm Mage apply Shock automatically, or do I have to use the active ability?
last patio
I guess I'll also take time freeze instead of 20% slow node, I still can't get over watching a chaos orb drop 3 seconds before I died
spring temple
like what if they have different crit %
silent matrix
hm
oh wait
I can easily test this with rage support, right?
3 rage per hit, if I get 6 its two hits?
silent matrix
or is there a cd to the support?
ye
Ill test right quick
I get 3 while dual wielding
hmmmmm
man I really wish we had a basic fucking practice target
last patio
man I really wish we had a basic fucking practice target
same
sacred warren
why do I still have 2,300 ES even though I took Eldritch Battery passive?
oh nvm, it's because of my amulet
silent matrix
first mace only, second mace only, both maces tooltips
average dmg per use goes down
rugged kraken
i can't really tell. i feel like the answer is "no" because if i shoot a single ...
Im starting to think it does.. I jsut blew up some mobs on top of a boss and I did like 40% of the bosses health
silent matrix
so does bleed
last patio
is % increased max energy shield additive?
spring temple
Im starting to think it does.. I jsut blew up some mobs on top of a boss and I d...
yeah but the frag rounds cause an explosion radius, so i think if the first mob you hit explodes and hits the next mob in line, then that mob does a herald explosion before the frag round hits it
it's very confusing but i just don't see 100% herald explosions
but maybe i'm wrong
dry haven
this may be quite possibly the worst skill ive ever seen in an ARPG, its worse than mana in every way and kills you from full hp if you hit max no bonus
frosty arrow
does pure osteomancy witch work? Just cool bone spells, no minions
rugged kraken
but maybe i'm wrong
I cant tell and im worried we are missing alot of dps by running our spirit on something that isnt working
granite grove
can you annoint an ammy more than one time? or it becomes locked on that skill?
last patio
getting 70% extra crit chance sounds fantastic, seems worthwhile but idk
sacred warren
what are some good support gems for mana tempest, and archmage?
i'm currently only using:
Mana Tempest: Premeditation
Archmage: Lightning Mastery
not sure what to put in the 2nd slots
spring temple
I cant tell and im worried we are missing alot of dps by running our spirit on s...
well i definitely see herald explosions while using frag rounds
so it's working some of time
at least 50% of the time
maybe 100% of the time
last patio
there are crit bonus nodes that mirror them too
spring temple
i did take those because i wanted more CoC procs
i did not take crit damage nodes
unless they had crit chance
dry haven
this may be quite possibly the worst skill ive ever seen in an ARPG, its worse t...
also so bad it basicly bricked my build to the point im going back like 4 acts to farm gold lol
last patio
ok ty
mystic shard
this may be quite possibly the worst skill ive ever seen in an ARPG, its worse t...
If u stack fire resist to cap, it won't kill you, and so you can take just a little and pretty much spam spells forever with no cost, but besides that, yeah I get you.
Though it allows you to fully not invest in mana
spring temple
my main goal was getting CoC to proc after i drop a temple bell
eye of winter hits the bell like 50 times
dry haven
If u stack fire resist to cap, it won't kill you, and so you can take just a lit...
im at 75% it kills me from max hp/shield still
mystic shard
im at 75% it kills me from max hp/shield still
Really? that sucks, should bug report it.
silk juniper
it is not bug
you are scaling fire dmg probably
if you scale fire dmg you die
do you have fire pen?
dry haven
if you scale fire dmg you die
nope im scaling spell dmg only
dry haven
and not only that its a guarenteed ignite proc lol
mystic shard
report it, ignore this guy, being a contrarian.
silk juniper
lmao
dry haven
iether way back to gold farming for 12k so i can fix my build
sacred warren
i'm currently only using:
Mana Tempest: Premeditation
Archmage: Lightning Mastery
not sure what to put in the 2nd slot suport gems
last patio
eye of winter hits the bell like 50 times
that's brilliant. I'll try it out
silk juniper
iether way back to gold farming for 12k so i can fix my build
just wondering do you have fire pen on tree?
it would be funny if you could pen your own res
spring temple
that's brilliant. I'll try it out
takes a lot of node investment, probably won't work for a while for you until you get like 3-4 clusters of crit chance
also a lot of spirit, if you're running wind dancer and ghost step
idk how much spirit you're getting from other stuff
last patio
also a lot of spirit, if you're running wind dancer and ghost step
crap I was only planning on running wind dancer, ghost step, and herald of ice. are you using charges?
I feel like power charges could be a little overrated
last patio
yeah there's that charge infusion buff that eats them to give you 20% crit bonus but that seems kinda lame
aside from flickerstrike and whatever else
spring temple
power charges are really hard to get IMO
random ridge
Well I posted yesterday saying blood mage super easy mode. Got told it can't map.... got to end game... still super easy mode so far....
Final boss, cruel, held 1 Button down, won the fight. 1st lot of maps... just auto win them with no gear upgrades. Idk. I hope this falls off. Seems crazy atm.
last patio
I feel like running combat frenzy + charge infusion (+20 crit chance) and 60% crit bonus off the nodes doesn't seem worth all that investment. Or at least as that build used them
woeful sundial
what can the sorceress do with power charges from the power siphon?
random ridge
Yeah that's how my fight on the blood mage looked lol.
mystic shard
In HC, if I click "respawn at checkpoint" will it kill me?
blissful dagger
Yeah that's how my fight on the blood mage looked lol.
bro this build is just not fair for bosses
mystic shard
or just set me back tot he checkpoint?
I wanna spam farm an area but I dno if this kills u
random ridge
I don't use that build. I just use hex blast.
blissful dagger
I don't use that build. I just use hex blast.
shits op too
i use incinerate and i melt every ad
random ridge
Regen is OP it seems. Both mana and life. Just perma keep you full HP.
blissful dagger
can you revive yellow bars yet?
random ridge
What's a yellow bar?
random ridge
I have no idea what your question is lol.
random ridge
Oh lol can I?
blissful dagger
and they keep all their buffs and spells
blissful dagger
think it requires all 8 ascendency to get
pearl sluice
blood mage can use a spell to revive enemies
think you're perhaps talking about a skill gem bind spectre?
random ridge
My build is vaal pacts, the no mana passive. Leech from blood mage and extra HP. Then just took all the regen and leech passive on tree.
blissful dagger
think you're perhaps talking about a skill gem bind spectre?
honestly could be. i havent found it yet
pearl sluice
honestly could be. i havent found it yet
The reason why is, because the gem/skill isnt in EA
random ridge
I just hold hexblast down and it keeps me full life 24/7
blissful dagger
The reason why is, because the gem/skill isnt in EA
they showed it off in the reveal
made me assume it was in the game
pearl sluice
they showed it off in the reveal
it is what it is 
last patio
especially that they dont die off after time
i hope it stays that way
tulip carbon
Mercenary: Fire runes + oil + gas?
If i have 2 rune slots in my weapon, and I add fire runes:
-
Can I use oil to coat enemies and then main weapon to ignite them?
-
...and if so, would that also trigger gas?
cinder bramble
does cast speed affect charge time of Bonestorm?
plain loom
Hey guys, could use some advice. Maybe I'm doing my build wrong but it feels as a Titan, your Autoattack does the most dmg?
hexed arrow
how do unarmed attacks scale? it says it doesnt scale with equipped weapon, but when i toss a random quarterstaff on with phys / cold damage, i see the cold damage go up, but the phys barely moves. so the weapon is doing something, but its like not adding the phys damage or something?
messing around with the dash skills in weapon swap
storm willow
full strength for warrior right?
midnight obsidian
you do need some of the other attributes to wear hybrid gear/add different supports but mostly red yes
gray narwhal
I do have a problem with skill usage.
This one is not working right.
Sacrifice
midnight obsidian
you gotta activate it and then target one of your skeletons with corpse skills
midnight obsidian
are those minions reviving
cinder bramble
are you using a controller, its very iffy to aim it on controller
gray narwhal
i`m using mouse
cant use it on skeletons
cant use it on zombies
but i can blast skeletons with Detonate dead
gray narwhal
I do have a problem with skill usage.
This one is not working right.
Sacrifice
.
OK zombies are not reviving minions
spring temple
how do unarmed attacks scale? it says it doesnt scale with equipped weapon, but ...
does your staff have +skills
cinder bramble
I see I missed part of the conversation, sorry, dont know whats up with that
spring temple
it might be giving your palm more skill levels (so more flat cold dmg) but then idk if it actually applies when you attack
livid vine
Can you use both of these?
hexed arrow
does your staff have +skills
nah its just a random one i found
it shouldnt have anything that scales unless the cold damage is being factored in
do the unarmed attacks take the elemental damage but not the phys or something
havent used any weapon other than bows so far so no clue how this unarmed stuff works
cinder bramble
Can you use both of these?
yes
spring temple
do any of your persistent skills turn off because you removed the staff?
gray narwhal
Is there a formum or topic where i can report a bug. Or is it a bug at all|?
spring temple
i don't think it'll use the flat dmg of the staff but
it's a new game so who knows
cinder bramble
Cool, so a net 70%, or does that not math? 😛
to be honest not sure how the math works out, but that sounds correct
livid vine
to be honest not sure how the math works out, but that sounds correct
Yeah, unless like the reduced and the increased goes to different pools or something
spring temple
maybe slap on a different palm skill (hand of chayula) and see if that one gains cold dmg when you equip your staff
livid vine
Guess ill have to test it sometime
hexed arrow
maybe slap on a different palm skill (hand of chayula) and see if that one gains...
oh good call, ill try that
spring temple
if it gains chaos instead then there's some "i have a staff equipped" bonus you're getting
but i have no idea what it could be
none of the nodes seem to do that
half flame
Monk ice strike crit build is good? As last 2 zone act3 I feel like my dmg went down
spring temple
i think ice strike monk is very strong
hexed arrow
maybe slap on a different palm skill (hand of chayula) and see if that one gains...
all the damage goes up by a bit 
before and after
hexed arrow
let me check my jewels actually may have a random one in there
spring temple
oh yeah
half flame
i think ice strike monk is very strong
Ik, but I went crit node, and at act3 last 2 zone I felt dmg kinda went down
spring temple
ANYWAYS it might not even apply when you attack lol cus you attack unarmed
hexed arrow
nope nothing
spring temple
Ik, but I went crit node, and at act3 last 2 zone I felt dmg kinda went down
when's the last time you upgraded your weapon? is it way lower level than you?
half flame
when's the last time you upgraded your weapon? is it way lower level than you?
At the end act2 cruelly
spring temple
hmmm not sure then, maybe just need to upgrade to something stronger
70% increased phys, 100% increased elemental damage with weapon attacks, something like that
2 sockets with iron runes
half flame
Yeh probably, I’ll do it when I get home
Cause that weapon still good even at act3 cruelly only fail off at last 2 zone
spring temple
oh the mobs in those last few zones are also kind of beefy
they hit hard and they're kind of tanky
cursive shoal
Does anyone have an opinion on if 'Electrocute' is worth using for an Invoker Monk? Currently I'm using 'Combat Frenzy' and 'Resonance' to build power charges off of Freeze and Electrocute. I have Electrocute on Charged Staff, but it doesn't seem to be working. I'm having a hard time generating Power Charges against bosses
spring temple
when you say it doesn't seem to be working, do you mean that you can't electrocute/freeze frequently?
vestal storm
how much would this be worth?
solemn island
Is behead worth it? how long do the buffs from elites last that you steal?
spring temple
if your charges fall off and you lose the charged staff buff, you could be a little stuck anyways though
cursive shoal
Against white mobs I seem to be procc'ing Freeze consistently (usually after Shattering Palm), but I can never proc Electrocute
spring temple
oh uh
you might have a support that prevents ailments
elemental focus or something?
also the electrocute will only be based on the small bonus damage the charged staff shockwave does
so it's not gonna be nearly as strong as your freeze strength
cursive shoal
Is it possible that Electrocute doesn't work with Charged Staff? I imagine only the projectiles from the staff would be contributing to Electrocute build up?
I'll double check I don't have that support, but I do seem to be getting freeze procs off of shattering palm. But very rarely from tempest fury or storm wave by itself it seems
round saddle
If a mob is inflicted with a stun of some sorts. Subsequent stuns are penalised in how fast they build up
It's indicated by the mobs stun bar being orange
spring temple
double check the charged staff advanced tooltip and see if there's a "Cannot inflict Electrocute buildup" or something snuck in there
round saddle
So after freezing, you'll have a hard time electrocuting
spring temple
that does happen sometimes to skills where it doesn't really make sense
beta game and all
but yeah probably more likely that your freeze is like 20x stronger and then locks out your electrocute
solemn island
i didn't think freezing would effect ignite or shock
round saddle
It doesn't affect ignite or shock since they're not stuns
solemn island
i thought freezing was it's own thing in that regard, similar to stunning
half flame
Ye charge staff can boots attack speed too but I don’t see it in description
boreal zinc
Does one with storm on passive skills not increase the amount ofpower charges you can put on a skill?
round saddle
Stunning freezing or electrocuting enemies makes them all build up slower for a period of time
sleek nexus
what do i have to do to make mana remnants take premeditation/inspiration?
cursive shoal
So after freezing, you'll have a hard time electrocuting
Oh, interesting, that could explain it. So in that case it seems like trying to proc power charges off of both Freeze and Electrocute probably isn't worth it (Especially since Electrocute is -40% lightning damage)
spring temple
i'm not sure on that LOL
what Demagonz is saying makes sense
but also i've never run both on a build to see if they lock each other out
so what Zday is saying also makes sense
maybe manually verify to see if electrocute moves at all
cursive shoal
Cool, thanks for the info guys. I'll do some more testing and see if it's worth dropping Electrocute
spring temple
or put "cannot cause freeze buildup" on a skill and double check that you electrocute at all
half flame
I feel like just focus on freeze, that ez to proc
solemn island
i mean, i've seen tooltips on load screens about freezing and stunning both having "cooldowns" after being proc'd
but nothing about ignite nor shock
spring temple
ignite has a cooldown if you just consumed it
if they're on burning ground or something then they won't get re-ignited immediately
round saddle
i mean, i've seen tooltips on load screens about freezing and stunning both havi...
Yes, all the 'crowd control' ailments have cooldowns
solemn island
ah, ok
round saddle
Not hard cooldowns but soft ones in the sense they become significantly harder to build
But it's possible to chain stun enemies with a ridiculous amount of investment
Or damage
desert leaf
hi y'all! not sure if this is the right place but does anyone know how the Blasphemy skill works? like, what curse am i able to socket into it?
desert leaf
They walk into range, they're cursed
sorry, i was unclear. that part i get. but i'm not sure what skills i can put into it and how.
round saddle
Curses
spring temple
anything that's a curse, like Flammability or Hypothermia
desert leaf
like ... can i put Contagion into it? or do i have to put a support gem in?
round saddle
You just socket it in as a support
And then turn on the aura
It has to be a curse
Curse tagged
spring temple
Enfeeble, Temporal Chains, Hypothermia, Flammability, Conductivity
Despair, Vulnerability
hallow anvil
does physical damage as a stat do more damage in general or is it only with basic melee attacks?
spring temple
any attack that does physical damage will benefit
round saddle
What does that even mean do more damage in general
atomic halo
rephrase that
round saddle
10 physical damage does the same damage as 10 cold or lightning before reductions
hallow anvil
any attack that does physical damage will benefit
so if i do a lighting strike that counts as physical?
last patio
holy shit it's tilting when you go to buy something that's been on the market for 3 hours and a moment after you whisper it's already gone
gaunt vapor
are you able to get any meaningful amount of crit for minions?
spring temple
so if i do a lighting strike that counts as physical?
some lightning strikes convert 100% of damage to lightning
atomic halo
so if i do a lighting strike that counts as physical?
no, that's lightning. physical and lightning are two of the five damage types (fire, cold, chaos being the other ones) and are mutually exclusive.
last patio
kinda makes me think he was price checking it's value >> no way did someone buy it then and there
atomic halo
some lightning strikes convert 100% of damage to lightning
yeah but #% inc. Physical Damage wouldnt affect that (unless it's local inc. phys on the wep thats dealing the hit)
round saddle
While I understand they changed it because of balance reasons. Conversion not being affected by modifiers to the original damage type feels less intuitive to me
hallow anvil
no, that's lightning. physical and lightning are two of the five damage types (f...
thanks yall
round saddle
But I guess they wanted elemental attacks to convert Phys instead of having flat ele on them.
solemn island
would Cannibalism or Vitality be better on an aura?
copper idol
Anyone know if the crit chance from Inevitable Critical support applies to every enemy hit in an AoE, or can crit the first dude and lose the crit chance for the rest of the hits?
atomic halo
While I understand they changed it because of balance reasons. Conversion not be...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YCTfPJ7Ujfs
the upside is that you don't need to watch a 51 minute video to figure out how it works.
storm willow
if i use a support gem on an ability, can i remove the gem later?
atomic halo
if i use a support gem on an ability, can i remove the gem later?
yes.
atomic halo
Anyone know if the crit chance from *Inevitable Critical* support applies to eve...
i believe it will apply for the entire hit, including any enemies hit by the aoe.
copper idol
I really hope you're right LOL, ty
round saddle
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YCTfPJ7Ujfs
the upside is that you don't need to...
I mean you didn't need a 51 minute video have an understanding. But you'd probably need to watch it to abuse it to the fullest extent.
Because conversion definitely did funny things
cinder bramble
does cast speed affect charge time of Bonestorm?
atomic halo
would Cannibalism or Vitality be better on an aura?
cannibalism is much better for sustaining pack to pack, vitality for rares and boss fights.
round saddle
That weren't very balanced
solemn island
then imma just gonna use the gems i have ig
yeah, you'll find a solid amount of support gems, me and my friend have used them on other toons and friends' characters and still have some in storage
round saddle
Hatred my beloved
solemn island
cannibalism is much better for sustaining pack to pack, vitality for rares and b...
that was my thought process too, i have Time of Need running, so get a nice heal every few seconds, but would lose about 10/s regen taking off vitality
round saddle
Time of need 
atomic halo
1% is also not super impressive
but i have 5% from consc. ground, which affects the equation
round saddle
It's actually fairly good for 10 spirit if you look at the other options
Other options being precision and like clarity
undone mortar
Isn’t it 15
solemn island
1% is also not super impressive
somehow it is actually 2% from vitality, not sure how, but yeah, gives me about 10/s for a total of about 30/s atm
undone mortar
Clarity is 10 and worth it
round saddle
Well back to the shitter it goes
undone mortar
Because mana regen I find more of an issue
round saddle
If you're not a mana build your mana regen is so slow anyways, most of it will be coming from flasks
analog gale
hmmm left or right
undone mortar
30% extra feels more relevant than 1% of life
analog gale
10% life regeneration rate or 10% life regeneration rate
crystal iron
anyone a merc that is doing bleed?
undone mortar
If I’m dying to a boss it’s usually not because I can’t regen life
solemn island
it's cause he give big ouchie
or, as a warrior, he made a bit too stiff a breeze and i got chilly
thick nest
shoudl aoe and damage increases go on Lightning Rod of Herald of Lightning on ranger?
last patio
aaaah, the gear I was 1 second too late on whispering for just popped up on the market for twice as much from someone else T_T
dreamy solstice
guys, what's the best support gems for blink?
quick eagle
How much spirit do you get just from finishing the campaign?
half flame
100
quick eagle
And followup, I haven't unlocked blasphemy yet. Am I able to have 2 curses (with the keystone) both blasphemied?
spring temple
yes but it costs double spirit
round saddle
Yes if your curse limit is 2, you can blasphemy 2
quick eagle
I want to see how much passive slow I can stack with Apex of the Moment, temp chains blasphemy, and the node that hinders cursed enemies. Theoretically, any slow magnitude will triple dip
thick nest
Does Concentrated Effect adjust the damage of the Herald of Thunder at all? im looking at the dps details and i see nothing to suggest that, but it's recommended gem
spring temple
does it change the bolt radius?
round saddle
Herald of thunder is aoe so it should effect the damage
pure sandal
How does attack speed affect tempest bell?
thick nest
That's so weird the numbers dont change for damage
i see the aoe size increase in the details yeah
spring temple
increase?
thick nest
does it matter the aoe is just your "bolt"?
"bolt impact radius"
oh sorry, decrease. increase while i take it off, decrease while i put it on
thick nest
Weird. wish i could test this at a test dummy or something
radiant yarrow
if I have lightning damage pen and do lightning exposure on an enemy, does that make it's lightning res be -20% if I pen all 75% res?
round saddle
if I have lightning damage pen and do lightning exposure on an enemy, does that ...
No
thick nest
lightning infusion does buff it yeah
round saddle
It reduces their res, then you pen the remainder
radiant yarrow
damn
charred plover
Guys im looking to buy a new weapon does anyone know how i can calculate the added dmg from +6 to melee skills?
My weapon:
180 dmg
+6 to melee skills
new weapon:
360 dmg
no + to skills.
Other new weapon:
240
+4 to skills
which one is best?
shrewd socket
my minions are lv 29. should i support them with +1 minion level or +25% damage as extra fire?
what does more dmg?
round saddle
Guys im looking to buy a new weapon does anyone know how i can calculate the add...
You would need to look at the skills DE and know all your sources of flat damage.
Currently that's sort of unreasonable to do by hand.
short eagle
Hi guys, why can't I use Herald of Ice? it says I don't have enough spirit but I have 25/55
spring temple
Guys im looking to buy a new weapon does anyone know how i can calculate the add...
you can try adding/removing a “Mastery” support gem to estimate the damage increase from a single level
quick eagle
Does Concentrated Effect adjust the damage of the Herald of Thunder at all? im l...
I haven't used HoT in poe 2, but in poe 1 the bolt itself didn't do aoe damage, it struck an enemy. So conc effect would impact the aoe portion of the skill (area around you) but it would not impact the damage of the strike because it's not area damage. Same deal as ball lightning
charred plover
you can try adding/removing a “Mastery” support gem to estimate the damage incre...
ty ill try
spring temple
the bolt supposedly damages all enemies in radius of the bolt, but maybe it does that by “attacking” each one instead of doing an aoe hit
prisma mason
Hi guys, why can't I use Herald of Ice? it says I don't have enough spirit but I...
you need 30 spirit, and as you stated you have 25/55 available so you are short 5 spirit, therefore you cannot activate it
barren jetty
how do I buy gear form currency exchange?
short eagle
you need 30 spirit, and as you stated you have 25/55 available so you are short ...
Oh yeah I am stupid
I thought it was showing how much I was using not how much I had left 
spring temple
how do I buy gear form currency exchange?
you can’t buy gear from it, only currency
mortal cloak
Why is the level 13 final grenade skill the worst one and the longest cooldown o.O?? Am I missing something lol
round saddle
It has a long cooldown because it's strong
barren jetty
you can’t buy gear from it, only currency
someone said I should save my exalted orbs for trading? for uniques and stuff
where do I do taht?
round saddle
I definitely wouldn't say it's the worst
mortal cloak
it's not strong tho?
It does less dmg than like every other grenade and has a relatively long fuse time
neat tide
how do i get another spirit gem? im into act 2 and i got one from act 1 and havent seen another. i have rebuilt my sorc into lightening instead of fire, and looking for a different buff.
mortal cloak
It does less dmg than every grenade except gas grenade
but gas grenade explodes and also has armor shred so
round saddle
You've put 0 supports on it and haven't factored in that it shotguns really hard
mortal cloak
I mean I just tossed it into some mobs and it did half the dmg of my other grenades
round saddle
Alot of skills are deceptively strong if all you pay attention to is the tooltip dps
This was true in poe1 and will be true in poe2
cursive maple
Could I DM someone with helping me select on a crossbow to buy?
oh i can send images here
atomic halo
yeah
mortal cloak
Alot of skills are deceptively strong if all you pay attention to is the tooltip...
except im using it and it literally is doing half the dmg to mobs my other grenades do
but has a long cooldown and long fuse timer
cursive maple
these two are both one exalt, which one should I get?
round saddle
Try putting stuff like concentrated effect on it to reduce its aoe
spring temple
it only shotguns the mob in between the clusters
copper idol
Anyone able to tell me how much base Spirit you'll have at the end of the current campaign?
Is it 100?
spring temple
it won’t nuke a whole pack
round saddle
Or ignoring the fuse with explosive shot
spring temple
yes 100 base spirit
mortal cloak
it won’t nuke a whole pack
It just seems reallllly weak compared to all the other grenades which is weird for it being the last one you get
copper idol
yes 100 base spirit
ty
atomic halo
these two are both one exalt, which one should I get?
why are you sorting by that
sort by pdps
cursive maple
@atomic halo the one on the right has the highest
neat tide
how do i get another spirit gem? i have switched my build around from fire to lightening, and i need a different buff
atomic halo
<@712413417943597181> the one on the right has the highest
ik, but why are you sorting by that in the first place
what level are you?
delicate hawk
Hey guys, if I have Mind over Matter (All Damage is taken from Mana before Life), how does it interact with the other mana damage node (Damage from Mana - 4% of Damage is taken from Mana before Life)?
atomic halo
i didn't realize i could click pdps
yeah, do that
atomic halo
Hey guys, if I have Mind over Matter (All Damage is taken from Mana before Life)...
i assume those other nodes would do nothing?
spring temple
how do i get another spirit gem? i have switched my build around from fire to li...
random drop (kinda rare) or complete certain points of interest on the map
crowbell should have one
delicate hawk
i assume those other nodes would do nothing?
Yeah that's what I thought too but some skill trees I've looked at take the nodes next to MoM going to Adverse Growth so I've been confused about it
neat tide
random drop (kinda rare) or complete certain points of interest on the map
im currently in act 2, i tried farming crowbell but no luck. i was just wondering if there was a more reliable way. RNG is not on my side.
spring temple
oh he only drops it the first time
atomic halo
Yeah that's what I thought too but some skill trees I've looked at take the node...
well, adverse growth is good. are they pathing to it from the right of the cluster or the left?
also i dont think u really can target farm uncut spirit gems like that
just progress through the game
neat tide
oh he only drops it the first time
that makes sense then. i swapped to lightening from flame on my sorc, and was looking for a different buff so i can get rid of flame wall
vagrant plinth
If I use this on a skill that already consumes frenzy charges, whats the interaction?
delicate hawk
well, adverse growth is good. are they pathing to it from the right of the clust...
From the right, along with having MoM. I think they might have it pre-MoM and just forgot to take it of; I think I'll just ignore the cluster and go for Touch the Arcane for that sweet Arcane Surge bonus. Thanks!
atomic halo
i mean if you take it from the left it looks solid
spring temple
If I use this on a skill that already consumes frenzy charges, whats the interac...
it usually wont allow you to do that
vagrant plinth
v_v
delicate hawk
i mean if you take it from the left it looks solid
Oh yeah I will, I don't have Archmage yet so my mana is already always 100% with what I have, so I'll just go for the cast speed of AS first then go back for it, I'm just making sure I can sustain MoM before I go for it
delicate hawk
This has been my best drop so far and it's been doing work
atomic halo
looks fine, only annoying thing is you cant get it to 20% quality
and who tf put a 7-13 fire dmg rune on the third socket
cursive maple
it's a crossbow i'm just going to be using for a little bit, only level 20
haha
i need a crossbow that gives me a grenade implicit later
like level 40s
so i just need a decent crossbow for now
lapis cedar
top tier god build 300m dps
lyric plank
If im using harold of ice and have the brotherhood topaz ring, if i use harold of thunder with inntervate, that still gioves me the damage right?
woven stone
can Astramentis be chanced from astral amulet?
lapis cedar
any questions
last patio
can someone tell me why i lost my charm slot after I respecc'd?
I put all my points in
spring temple
no belt
delicate hawk
Equip your belt
spring temple
need belt
mortal cloak
Can someone explain to me how this affix works compared to straight elemental damage boost?
lyric plank
can someone tell me why i lost my charm slot after I respecc'd?
no belt
last patio
gotcha tyty :)
spring temple
Can someone explain to me how this affix works compared to straight elemental da...
only works on weapon skills
lyric plank
Can someone explain to me how this affix works compared to straight elemental da...
this isnt hard to read
mortal cloak
Gotcha but it doesn't have anything to do with the elemental bonuses on your weapon?
lyric plank
"Weapon elemental damage"
spring temple
nope as long as you’re dealing elemental damage with a weapon skill
mortal cloak
this isnt hard to read
you lack imagination
barren jetty
is there a specific way I should progress in atlas? Because I cant activate the towers. Or just do somne random stuff there?
lyric plank
if you have 100 elemental damage on your weapon and you have this on your weapon now has 125 ele damage
mortal cloak
nope as long as you’re dealing elemental damage with a weapon skill
thanks just wanted to make sure it wasn't augmenting elemental +dmg on weapon only or something since it's phrased differently than other affixes
spring temple
yeah it’s more there to exclude spells
mortal cloak
Ok cool thanks
hushed viper
Excuse me, why is this not working?
mortal cloak
I'm so excited to get through cruel and see if my build gets totally smashed in maps or not lol
spring temple
you need to socket something in it
mortal cloak
I haven't looked anything up just tried to clarify things on here as I go so my build is totally my own hehe
spring temple
cast on freeze needs a spell that you’re trying to trigger
mossy turret
I'm looking at Conduit in the Passive Tree. - What classes would be supported by that? My partner is a Merc and I don't feel he'd get much value out of me taking that. - What would benefit more?
hushed viper
ahhh. I just panicked for a bit, wondering why it says not enough spirit
round saddle
if you have 100 elemental damage on your weapon and you have this on your weapon...
To be pendantic, that's not how it works. It just means 25% more ele damage for attacks made with a weapon
spring temple
oh yeah buggy tooltip
mortal cloak
@spring templeHey I have a question for you maybe you can help me out...so far I haven't found a good solution to this problem in my build
round saddle
Which... Should be all attacks as far as I'm aware
spring temple
you may need to remove and re equip the gem
concoctions are unarmed
palms may also be?
those are confusing cus they still want you to have a quarterstaff
mortal cloak
@spring templeI originally was a shotgunner but grenades just outscaled shotgun so I switched up
I am mainly a grenadier now but I am dual xbow and I use frag shot for culling
It still does reasonably decent dmg but the big issue is I don't have a freeze in the build for frag to shatter and get the big aoe+multiplier
round saddle
I mean there's no real reason to use frag rounds here
mortal cloak
I want to
native burrow
Warriors inventory slot passive is the worst 😂 pack horse build
round saddle
As a pure grenade setup
mortal cloak
that's why
spring temple
do you need all those grenade types? glacial bolt is great for freezing
languid kestrel
hey isnt it good for any caster to go archmage since you get extra bonus damage regardless?
round saddle
Drop voltaic grenade for glacial bolt then yeah
spring temple
if you don’t want to drop a skill you can buy an unset ring
mortal cloak
I can add more skills still but I don't like the ammo change stuff to combo with frag
sleek nexus
can you take skills off build
mortal cloak
it adds too much to the point it's not worth using over the nades
round saddle
hey isnt it good for any caster to go archmage since you get extra bonus damage ...
It costs 100 spirit and makes your mana cost higher
mortal cloak
I'm trying to find a freeze I can add into the build WITHOUT changing ammo type
spring temple
frag with weapon 2?
mortal cloak
I'm dual xbows lol
spring temple
or vice versa
round saddle
Frag rounds can't freeze
spring temple
you can load them with different rounds at the same time right
round saddle
And good luck getting nades to freeze when they primarily convert to fire
mortal cloak
Nah gotta load then attack
And it's too clunky to load freeze bolts and attack till freeze then load frag bolts and shatter, might as well just grenade
little rock
any shield charge for mobility enjoyers in the chat? 
night pebble
So is it true that the best warrior builds all use a two handed weapon + shield? Is there no meta for dual wielding 2 handed weapons?
mortal cloak
and yea all my grenades I use them all
and I keep them all on cooldown lmao
gas grenade armor shreds
fire grenade eats the armor shred for bonus dmg
lightning grenade shocks obv which boosts dmg and cc
flash grenade does good dmg and blinds
spring temple
hmm i cant test right now, my plane is about to take off
but i thought you could equip one xbow, load ammo, swap, load different ammo, then shoot them individually without reload
mortal cloak
Frag Shot works in this build for culling strike regardless but it'd be nice if it would shatter mobs cuz it does goooood dmg comparable to nades when it shatters
mortal cloak
but i thought you could equip one xbow, load ammo, swap, load different ammo, th...
UHHHHH NO FKN WAY?!??!?!
spring temple
not sure
mortal cloak
If so uhhhh that's big butttt one sec lemme see....i dont think you can but
spring temple
you could also try cold infusion to see if a grenade will freeze?
maybe add glaciation
mortal cloak
but i thought you could equip one xbow, load ammo, swap, load different ammo, th...
Oh wait you mean like a glitch by having two different xbows and one is in your inv after?
spring temple
okay plane go fly afk 3 hours
mortal cloak
have fun!
Ohhhhh shit idk if he was correct but I wonder if being dual xbow I can load each one with separate ammo type 😮
round saddle
but i thought you could equip one xbow, load ammo, swap, load different ammo, th...
Weapon swap delay is about as long as the ammo swap delay regardless
mortal cloak
?!?!?!?!?!
round saddle
You wouldn't be saving and time doing this
You'd just be trading 1 delay for another delay
Of similar magnitude
mortal cloak
Yea I keep trying to make a freeze work in this build and it just won't happen sadly
D=
round saddle
I personally don't see a problem with switching bolts
The delay really isn't that long
mortal cloak
Because the bolt switch doesn't mean auto freeze
round saddle
You freeze very quickly with supports
mortal cloak
It's switch to freeze bolts, shoot multiple times, maybe freeze some maybe not, switch back to frag, shatter, maybe not shatter them all and some are still alive
round saddle
Detonating the ice walls with frag rounds
mortal cloak
VS grenade kills them in 2 hits