2┃build-planning

[steady berry]

that's what i was saying in the first place lol

you asked if attack damage would scale poison in poe2

and i said yes it would, in the same way it would scale it in poe1

which is to say it makes the first hit do more damage

[wet mango]

I asked if "incr attack damage" would scale

[steady berry]

and thus more poison

[wet mango]

poison

[steady berry]

it does, in exactly the same way it would in 1

[wet mango]

it does not

[steady berry]

YES IT DOES AHHH

IN THAT NEITHER AFFECTS THE POISON SPECIFICALLY

[wet mango]

in the same way that incr spell damage

[steady berry]

fucks sake man

[wet mango]

would not increase poison

[steady berry]

we're saying the same thing

[solid flume]

🍿

[silk juniper]

doesnt a higher initial hit increase the poison dps?

[wet mango]

(in poe1)
if you have 100 attack damage, and 10% increase damage, then you do 110 and 33 poison base damage.
if you have 100 attack damage and 10% incr attack damage, the result is 110 attack and 30 poison.

[silk juniper]

so increasing the initial hit also increases the poison

[steady berry]

that's what im fucking telling this guy

[silk juniper]

10% increase dmg is a double dip

[wet mango]

(in poe1)
if you have 100 spell damage, and 10% increase damage, then you do 110 spell and 33 poison base damage.
if you have 100 spell damage and 10% incr spell damage, the result is 110 spell and 30 poison.

[silk juniper]

but 10% attack dmg is also increasing poison

[steady berry]

yes

[wet mango]

IT IS NOT in poe1

[steady berry]

dude it literally is

your poison does more damage

are you on drugs

if you do 10% extra damage with the initial hit ONLY your poison still does more damage

because it's based on the hit

[wet mango]

why did you agree with me here then

[steady berry]

you asked if attack damage would scale poison

[wet mango]

wait so you agree with this spell example or no

[steady berry]

and i said yes it would because it would make the poison do more damage

in this way poe1 and poe2 are the same

[wet mango]

IT DOES NOT

lord

[steady berry]

IT LITERALLY FUCKING DOES

[silk juniper]

wait so in poe 1 if you do more dmg with the initial hit it doesnt increase poison? (never played poison builds)

[wet mango]

it depends

[steady berry]

you fucking agree that doing more damage with the first hit makes your poison do more damage right?

[silk juniper]

lets say viper strike of mamba

[steady berry]

you're pissing me off

[wet mango]

in poe1 the base ailment is computed from the base hit dmg. Then all relevant modifiers are applied

[steady berry]

thats what im fucking saying

ahhhh this guy

[wet mango]

the hit and ailment are separate, so they both receive the mods that apply

[wet mango]

we're saying different things

[solid flume]

nope only increase to Poison Damage, Chaos Damage, Ailment Damage, Damage over Time.

[limpid turtle]

Why are we talking about poe1 calcs in the poe2 channel lol

[steady berry]

we are not saying different things, we're saying the same thing and then you're going off on some unrelated double dipping tangent

goddamn

[limpid turtle]

Throw everything about poe1 out the window, no need to compare it to how damage clac/systems work in this game

[wet mango]

so for example, incr damage over time would apply to jsut poison, while increase attack damage would only apply to the base hit. "increased damage to attack skills" would apply to both.

[silk juniper]

oh so poe1 the initial hit doesnt matter for poison? interesting

[steady berry]

no it wouldnt

[wet mango]

it does EDIT: the base damage of the hit does. Not the final hit

it's based on the "base" damage

[steady berry]

wait wtf is increased damage to attack skills

[wet mango]

or bow skills, or whatever

[rough quartz]

some how 1 question has turnt into an argument

[silk juniper]

so you are saying that it calculates the poison magnitude before any increases to the hit such as increased phys dmg

[steady berry]

this isnt an argument, everyone here knows how the mechanics work

[sonic steppe]

Popcorning

[wet mango]

i think scuddy thinks I"m syaing "increasing attack damage doesn't increase poison, whereas I'm asctually saying " the mod 'increased attack damage' doesn't increase poison"

[limpid turtle]

what, like increased damage to bow skills

i know that's a line

but again, that's only amplifying the first hit

[steady berry]

yes i am aware that increased attack damage does not affect the damage dealt by poison directly

[limpid turtle]

which IN TURN amplifies dot

which is what scuddy was saying i'm pretty sure

[steady berry]

what i meant was, increased attack damage will scale the damage of poison by increasing the damage of the initial hit, which is now the only way to scale poison at all

[wet mango]

yes. And then, if the mod applies, it would get applied to the poison separately from the hit (so for example "incr phys dmg" appies to both the hit and bleed dmg, but would not apply to poison dmg)

[wet mango]

yes I understand what you're saying. It's literally not how it works in poe 1

[steady berry]

brudda.

please reread what i wrote

slowly

[wet mango]

genuine answer: because in many cases it can be easier to understand a poe2 mechanic as "like poe1 but different in this way:"

[wet mango]

i did

and it's not how it works in poe1

[steady berry]

yes it fucking is you moron

[wet mango]

damage mods are applied to the pioson and base separately

[steady berry]

you just said it was yourself

[limpid turtle]

dudes, just drop it, it's not worth it

this is wayyyyyyyyyy too much energy for just this

[neat dew]

There is so much confusion around poison, I feel like they need to clarify it

[wet mango]

i mean, this is an effort to understand how poison works in poe2

but the yelling was probably uncalled for

i'm sorry

[steady berry]

they tried to simplify it but really they just made it both bad and confusing

[wet mango]

if I did I mispoke (edited above for clarity)

[sterile stone]

btw, does multiple proj in poe2 works the same as poe1 where only 1 proj can hit?

[frosty harness]

I have a question, I know that vaal orbs state that they modifiy an item unpredictably and then corrupt it. does that mean that it can also remove a stat or is it only a positive if it works?

[steady berry]

yes but if the attack has an aoe component they can overlap

[wet mango]

the base damage of the poison isderived from the base damage of the hit. not from the post-modifier values

[steady berry]

like gas arrow

[sterile stone]

ah well....

[silk juniper]

I could only hit one chaos bolt even though I threw out 3

[wet mango]

yes, they won't shotgun unless an effect specifidcally says so. I think multiple aoe can shotgun tho

[sterile stone]

yeah that part works the same as poe 1 like caustic arrow

[steady berry]

scattershot lightning rod is probably a more useful example

[limpid turtle]

wait, gas arrow does not hit though

[steady berry]

it does if it explodes 🔥

[wet mango]

https://www.poewiki.net/wiki/Ailment#Damage_with_ailments

Modifiers to damage with ailments do not contribute to the damage of attacks or spells. Similarly, modifiers to attack damage and spell damage do not affect damage with ailments.

[steady berry]

you can also use scattershot gas arrow to apply a lot of stacks of poison really quickly

it kinda sucks tho

[limpid turtle]

but the xplosion is entirely fire damage

[odd zodiac]

if i am doing the srs infernalist do i get the loyal hellhound first or make my way to biedats will?

[wet mango]

the explosion and the impact both hit

[steady berry]

you agree that poison damage is calculated by the initial hit, correct?

[wet mango]

(although you probably only care about the explosion)

[wet mango]

"initial hit" is not precise

[steady berry]

holy FUCK

[wet mango]

it's calculated on the BASE damage

[limpid turtle]

yeah, but explosion does not get calculated

[wet mango]

before mods

[steady berry]

NO ITS NOT

[wet mango]

read the wiki bruh

[solid flume]

loyal hellhound first, for the free fire exposure if ur using skeletal arsonist

[silk juniper]

the poison is based on the local hit before anything from your passive tree like phys dmg or attack dmg or spell dmg

[wet mango]

(poe1 sidebar, ignore us)

A damaging ailment deals damage over time based on the skill's base damage that inflicts the ailment.

Damage with hits and damage with ailments are calculated separately and have different modifiers:
Modifiers to damage with ailments do not contribute to the damage of attacks or spells. Similarly, modifiers to attack damage and spell damage do not affect damage with ailments.

[silk juniper]

so having 1000% spell dmg wont make the poison stronger

[old knoll]

Hey, is Lord of Horrors bugged...? I have it with weapon set #1 and it's not doing ANYTHING 😦

[silk juniper]

I think that having local increases, lets say to your weapon will work

but not global

[wet mango]

wdym?

[wet mango]

(poe1) yes, becaues that's base damage

[sick timber]

just got my ranger to endgame, which build should i do next? maybe monk?

[steady berry]

wait a fucking minute

[limpid turtle]

the explosion is entirely fire damage, so that wouldn't affect the poison was what i was saying

[steady berry]

oh no...

oh no im the idiot....

[wet mango]

i've been there myself

[steady berry]

i stopped playing 1 before they reworked ailments lol

[wet mango]

oh shit i didn't realize that

[silk juniper]

is it different in 2

[steady berry]

im sorry for calling you names

[wet mango]

I started playing on and off in various leagues, only seriously starting 3.20

[silk juniper]

or the same

[steady berry]

honestly who fucking knows dude

[wet mango]

didn't realize they reworked it (and was diff before)

[wet mango]

apology accepted

i'm sorry for raising my voice

[wet mango]

it's diff in 2

[wet mango]

what wouldn't affect poison damage

[limpid turtle]

straight up, just treat it like it's own game, and read the tooltips, there's a lot of similarities, but best to just see what's different

[wet mango]

you're right that % fire dmg doesn't affect the poison

[limpid turtle]

fire damage wouldn't affect poison

yee

[steady berry]

these two paragraphs confuse me so much together

[wet mango]

but neither does % chaos damage (as i understand it, lol)

[silk juniper]

sadly my dd doesnt show any dmg numbers so it is really hard to test stuff out

[sacred sparrow]

Y'all know if increasing attack speed increases the travel speed of travel skills like shield charge?

[limpid turtle]

they both essentially say the same thing

[steady berry]

yeah but my question is does armor break increase the damage of poison

[silk juniper]

no

it does not

[limpid turtle]

oh it won't in this case

with poison

because in that vaid

[sacred sparrow]

If the damage starts as physical then converts to poison would armour break matter?

[limpid turtle]

it's a debuff that affects the enemies ability to mitigate damage

[silk juniper]

armour break is useless if you want poison dmg

[wet mango]

no it doesn't. armour affects the "amount of damage taken" , not "amount of damage dealt".

[quasi flint]

What witch hunter nodes have been proven to be good?

[limpid turtle]

OH WAIt

I READ THAT WRONG

[steady berry]

so does that mean that poison always deals damage as if they have 0 armor?

or does it deal damage as if they have full armor?

[limpid turtle]

it DOES affect

[wet mango]

the only exception is if you're using a skill that consumes armour break for more base damage (like HVR)

[silk lintel]

hello how many ascendencies can one character have?

[wet mango]

0 armour

[steady berry]

you get 8 points but the last 2 are pretty difficult and very late in the game

[wet mango]

no it doesn't

[silk juniper]

is there an easy wayt o check if I missed any side bosses with rewards

[wet mango]

er you can think of armour affecting it or not, but poision dmg isn't a phys hit

[silk juniper]

like /passives in poe1

[wet mango]

so armour does nothing

[limpid turtle]

the first line of 2nd, wouldn't it?

wait no it's chaos

yeah you right

[wet mango]

and also not a hit

[silk lintel]

can i reskill my options?

[steady berry]

no ❤️

[silk juniper]

rip

[steady berry]

yep you can respec them normally

you cannot change ascendancies though

[limpid turtle]

wait, you can respec in your tree

[silk lintel]

thanks

[wet mango]

the point is that armour doesn't affect it while calculating the BASE poison dmg

[limpid turtle]

yee yee

[steady berry]

also the conclusion i came to from trying to understand ailments in poe2 is that they are really dogshit

10% increased magnitude of poison is such an insignificant amount of damage

[covert bronze]

Anybody playing poison pathfinder?

[limpid turtle]

it's so weird, like i'm trying to move over to bleed on my titan, but at this point, it's almost 400-500k to switch

and i wanna die

[steady berry]

yes i got one to act 2 cruel before i gave up

it's not good

[glacial gust]

4 days waiting for refund respec, see ya tommorrow

[covert bronze]

I'm in t8 maps with it

[steady berry]

you are stronger than i

[covert bronze]

Seems pretty decent to me

lol

[sonic steppe]

Continue farming gold

[limpid turtle]

That's a heck of a line, i'm sitting on 300+ ex but gold is my issue

[steady berry]

do you have an insane bow or something

i was doing zdps

[silk juniper]

tbh they need to add another way to use gold

I have no use for gold

[steady berry]

sprinting through maps dropping fart clouds behind me was fun though

[steady berry]

yeesh

[limpid turtle]

I'm burning all my portals on each map just carrying loot back to sell

[steady berry]

well its not that good i guess

[near jewel]

totemancer, warbringer - 2 x 2h mace with +6 melee each OR one mace and a shield with 60% increased dmg form block chance= damage. I mean, whats stronger dmg-wise - +6 melee skills gems OR 60% incvreased damage?

[sonic steppe]

Sell all equipments dropped instead of disenchant. That should hasten abit

[covert bronze]

Everything's melting right now

[sonic steppe]

I am like 4 ex with 300k gold

[steady berry]

what do you use? just gas arrow?

[covert bronze]

Gas arrow mostly

[limpid turtle]

do you have attack speed on the 2h maces? wouldn't it be better for 1 h for faster attack speed with totems?

[covert bronze]

Toxic growth

[limpid turtle]

because attack speed affects totem shockwave

[covert bronze]

Withering presence/despair on blasphemy

[harsh ferry]

being able to use 2 weapons with +6 is nuts

[near jewel]

attack speed on mace doesnt seem to work with totems only with basic attack.....attack speed good on tree....what about the damage?

[limpid turtle]

damage doesn't matter

totem has it's own damage

[flint summit]

Does Sturdy Metal and Stoneskin affect the scaling of Spiked Armor?

(All are nodes on the passive tree/titan ascendency)

The sound like they should but we are light on the backend math knowledge atm

[sonic steppe]

The shockwave.and ances totem, does it read they have their own base weapon damage?

[limpid turtle]

same for ancestral https://i.imgur.com/zh57irs.png

[austere kettle]

am i dumb or are all sources of leech for attacks physical leeched as? so if im using an attack that converts to ele im shit out of luck?

[steady berry]

this is so interesting actually

spiked shield says this

armour or evasion rating ON shield

so it doesnt sound like the other half of the passive matters

[pearl sluice]

Can I use a totem with a staff in hand?

[limpid turtle]

i don't think it's that great, tbh

[steady berry]

but spiked armour says armour FROM body armour

so... yes? actually?

[flint summit]

Yeah it reads like it does

[sonic steppe]

Afaik, seems so. Ggg learnt from poe1.

[flint summit]

Also this node would be redundant if it didnt apply the first line before calculating the 2nd

[austere kettle]

then chayula monk leech ascendancies feel kinda bad tbh. almost all quarterstaff attacks convert to some element

[harsh ferry]

are there ways to get mana leech that isn't physical damage?

[limpid turtle]

yeah, if it's damage based on base armour, that's the biggest issue

[silk juniper]

there isnt a single mana leech that isnt phys

[steady berry]

yeah but like whether it's intentional or not i don't think it does, or at least it's not written like it does

[silk juniper]

if there was archmage builds would be thriving

[limpid turtle]

because all the other armour gear specific nodes applies to base armour

[harsh ferry]

hopefully they make a unique that does

[silk juniper]

I mean they dont have to

[harsh ferry]

i get life leech being phys only but then again i'm not balancing the game

[silk juniper]

all that is needed is one streamer or someone that buys the unique design to make it

it would make archmage beyond broken

having infinite mana sustain

[steady berry]

idk i think its problematic that most viable attack skills are elemental

[long swallow]

guys does grim feast count as consume corps?

[steady berry]

you really cant play a physical ranger it's weird

[silk juniper]

no

[flint summit]

Well I mean like sturdy metal says that it is a % increase on the armor you get FROM your chest piece and spiked armor also uses that same from language

[long swallow]

ah shiet

[sonic steppe]

Probably miaunderstood. Phy leech as in appear as mod on equipment

[long swallow]

i wasted the mod on the jewels

[steady berry]

chayula monk at least has flicker strike lol

idk how viable pure phys flicker strike would be but... its there

[harsh ferry]

melee ele leech on a unique is at least plausible ig

[sterile stone]

i would like to provide an update that skeletal frost mage targets the ground so multiple proj overlap exatly like arsonist

literally creeping frost

[silk juniper]

wait there is no way to quality ascendancy skills????

[flint summit]

Not that I can tell

[silk juniper]

rip

[steady berry]

wait i just realized how dumb it is to make an ascendancy based around chaos damage and mana leech and then not give it chaos damage leech

[warped berry]

hmm shock siphon support really sucks, Im barely getting es back from it, anyway to maximize it on top of coursing current + conduction? Or anyone have other es gain on kill sources

[long swallow]

im using grim feast

[harsh ferry]

yup my hand of chayula dreams were squished for that reason

[long swallow]

quite potent on regen ES

[limpid turtle]

https://i.imgur.com/tCB4Tuv.png

[steady berry]

there's like no way to scale chaos damage on attacks in the game so its not that big of a deal though

[warped berry]

yeah I want to use that but Im like capped on skill sockets

[long swallow]

and double your current es too

[steady berry]

but it is goofy

[faint eagle]

the 4% on lightning and 2% on chaos is going to bother me

[long swallow]

im using like 5 spirit gem

so i only have 4 skill lmao

[steady berry]

i see what you're saying and it's why i think the shield node i posted doesnt work this way

[harsh ferry]

there probably will be at a later point though

[warped berry]

Im in the same situation

[steady berry]

but spiked armour says armour FROM body armour

[long swallow]

im invoker ice + lightning

with 5 spirit

[warped berry]

would be pretty hard to drop another skill

[steady berry]

and stone skin says 50% more armour FROM equipped body armour

[long swallow]

but im blasting through T15 tho

[steady berry]

so like... maybe it does work

[long swallow]

usually i get ES back with ghost shroud

[warped berry]

I'm in a similar situation

[faint cypress]

Has anyone tried duel weird maces? I think it would be fun with leech life, atk speed and shit ton of armour

[long swallow]

it gives like 1k ES a proc for 5 proc

pretty potent

[warped berry]

but need like something that lets me sustain through breaches and stuff

where theres less time to regen ghost shrouds

[long swallow]

well u need more evasion

i havent have any trouble with breach

cuz they dont one shot u

[warped berry]

I dunno how much do you have

[long swallow]

89% evasion

with wind stage

80% off i think

around 20k evasion

only die to slam or one shot spell lmao

[limpid turtle]

https://i.imgur.com/cCyvx8U.png

[long swallow]

ghost shroud proc give 1k ES, + grim feast 50% give 150 ES on kill

really hard to die with normal mobs

[flint summit]

I honestly think its a bug. Those should 100% work like that.

[warped berry]

what reservations are you not running

is it cast on freeze

[long swallow]

yea i dont use cast on

[warped berry]

thats mostly for my single target

[limpid turtle]

i mean, it all works off of base armour

that's unified across the board

[warped berry]

cause it sends an orb of storms and eye of winter into the bell

when I freeze a boss

which basically insta kills it

[long swallow]

i use lingering illusion, ghost shroud, wind stage, herald of lightning

and grim feast

5 spirit

well i never have to use cast on anything , u can just raw dog bell and hit the boss

boss is the easiest thing in this game tho

[flint summit]

No it works off the armour you get from the piece, before global modifiers to % armor. Those two nodes specifically boost the armor you get FROM the piece. At least that is how its worded.

[long swallow]

u dont need that much dmg

[warped berry]

I guess I can use grim feast for mapping

[long swallow]

cuz

[warped berry]

and for bosses I can switch the setup to cast on freeze

[long swallow]

grim feast

give double your es cap

i have 1k8 hp 2k3 es

grim feast collect es upto 4k6 ES

[warped berry]

will be sad losing the base crit and orb of storms interaction

[hushed viper]

If I take eldritch battery, do future energy shield nodes in the passive tree still work? Say a maximum mana + maximum energy shield node, does that technically affect your total mana twice?

[long swallow]

u dont need that much dmg tho

i only use 1 skill

ice strike

[steady berry]

spiked armour says "from" instead of "on" that's why i'm thinking it potentially works differently

[long swallow]

and i clear t15 in like 10min

because the map is too big

everything is one blast

[silk juniper]

no

[long swallow]

never die to breach too

[steady berry]

like it specifically uses a different word and i imagine that might be for a reason

[limpid turtle]

https://i.imgur.com/mBT3s9b.png

but so does sturdy metal

[hushed viper]

aw. so it only takes in your energy shields from gear then?

[warped berry]

usually I just want to burst down rares and bosses and not have to heal throughout the map through volatiles and stuff

[limpid turtle]

and stone skin

[steady berry]

you're not understanding

[warped berry]

I guess cast on freeze can be used for pinnacles only

[long swallow]

yea thats why i switch from tempest to ice strike

[silk juniper]

ok well it takes in flat energy shield from tree and all the energy shield from your gear, no % increased energy shield will affect it

[long swallow]

ice strike moves your character

so i just

[flint summit]

Yes, I am saying it SHOULD work. Its probably worth a bug report if it doesnt. Let GGG tell us their intentions.

[long swallow]

hold left click

and blasting map

lmao

[steady berry]

this node gives you a buff for armour ON your shield

spiked armour gives you a buff for armour FROM your body armour

different words

suspicious

[warped berry]

my setup uses uh

falling thunder

[long swallow]

that shit is too slow lmao

[warped berry]

so I just use it once in a while to wipe the screen

[hushed viper]

flat energy meaning from jewels and not nodes yes? Is there a flat energy node? Very new sorry

[warped berry]

eh it works

[long swallow]

u dont need anything to wipe the screen

[limpid turtle]

so you're saying that spiked shield calcs would be different from spiked armour

[flint summit]

To be clear as well I found reports saying it doesnt work, but I still think thats a bug.

[long swallow]

your bell is really OP

[warped berry]

the bell is pretty small

I only use it for the single target

[flint summit]

They are worded differently

[long swallow]

usually just put down the bell clear almost the screen

[steady berry]

to be honest that's consistent with how mechanics like this usually work

[long swallow]

use 40% aoe gem

[steady berry]

but the wording should be changed to be consistent as well

[silk juniper]

there are like 4 but they are all in the beginning of the start of the tree for witch

no flat energy shield from jewels thto

[flint summit]

I dont understand the wording, or the specification of increasing the body armor value, if they didnt want this interaction.

[warped berry]

anyway I'll try grim feast for mapping

[long swallow]

ye it's really good

consistent es gain on kill

[flint summit]

But yes, it should either be fixed or the wording should be updated.

[steady berry]

it would be confusing if spiked armour were a node in the titan ascendancy but it's not, there's no reason to expect these two things to function together

[hushed viper]

ahhh. I thought I could still spec into energy shield nodes while taking eldritch battery. Wouldve been strong. Thank you

[steady berry]

they're still synergistic just not in quite such an insane way lol

[warped berry]

I have like 40 spirit left over but oh well

[flint summit]

But sturdy metal and spiked armor are base passive nodes. We can ignore stoneskin here.

[limpid turtle]

to enhance our armour as much as we can, the scaling is horrendous towards the higher levels

[pearl orbit]

finally had time to finish acts
cold sorc still feels perfectly fine, melted a6 doryani in 30 secs including transition time
ggg can nerf us but they can't keep us down

[steady berry]

however i do think the spiked shield node leads you to think it does work together which is stupid

[pearl orbit]

(pathing to arcane intensity)

skill setup is:

-frostbolt -> deceleration -> magnified effect -> scattershot
(main skill, throw it 1-2 times per pack and cast cold snap on the bolts to clear)
-cold snap -> control destruction -> ele focus -> spell echo
(ur main dmg for clearing, cast it on the bolts when near packs for big boom)
-frost bomb -> cascade -> fast forward -> strip away
(util spell, used for rares/boss along with frostwall spam, it detonate walls for big boom and exposes)
-frost wall -> glaciation -> nexus -> ingenuity
(used for mapping when shit is scary, drop it on large rares/bosses to autodetonate and apply lot of freeze)
-ice nova -> unleash -> expanse -> blind
(ur "fuck off me" button, if trapped or getting spammed, press it and make enemies fuck off)
-arctic armour -> clarity -> bludgeon
(safety net, no reason not to use)
-blasphemy -> hypothermia
(for mapping, free ele reduction)

---Cast on freeze -> comet -> impetus -> considered casting (i turn off blasphemy -hypo for bosses and use this instead. Self cast hypo connected to heightened curse)
nothing is minmaxed it by any means yet, not had the time to do that so far and no tools like pob to work with
will prob be swapping to a setup with CoC EoW soon

[steady berry]

yeah but they're in different places on the tree, idk

i see what you mean though

they should clarify this in-game

potentially in big letters

[mortal cloak]

WTF IS THIS??!?!?!?

[pearl orbit]

congrats its a few hundred ex

[mortal cloak]

That can't be correct lol??

[pearl orbit]

why not

[mortal cloak]

101 all stats wtf

[steady berry]

astramentis is so dumb with how much life str gives you lol

+200 life amulet

[pearl orbit]

for now

[mortal cloak]

What happens if you use a vaal on it? Idk how those work exactly but in POE1 they would upgrade a unique ??

[limpid turtle]

it's restrictive because of lack of res

but that's it

[mortal cloak]

bro for 305 stat points idgaf about res xD

[pearl orbit]

in 2-3 leagues it'll be same as poe1
a good early league amulet that gets a lot less value as league goes on gets massively powercrept

[pearl orbit]

yeah man cuz that accuracy is super important on a caster and the mana does oodles for attack classes

u need to specifically build around it to make it amazing

[steady berry]

i dont think thats necessarily true

[mortal cloak]

It requires level 24 dude

You are missing the entire point of that amulet

[steady berry]

gem stat requirements are a huge issue for a lot of builds

[pearl orbit]

bro

[mortal cloak]

It makes you not have to worry about needing any stat from anywhere any time you're leveling, no mana regen nothing

[pearl orbit]

its an old amulet from poe1 its not remotely new and im not missing it

[mortal cloak]

this, and more

[vapid mantle]

for fubguns deadeye build, if i get pierce on my quiver can i unspec the point in pierce on the skill tree?

[steady berry]

isnt astramentis an extremely good amulet in poe 1

[mortal cloak]

he's acting liek I said you'd build around an endgame build for it

[pearl orbit]

no

[mortal cloak]

when that's not what it's for obviously lmao

[limpid turtle]

I have 3.6k and capped resistances, there are white mobs that still do half my hp in damage

[mortal cloak]

what level r U?

[mortal cloak]

Y'all talking about end-game use for an amulet that has a level 24 req and is CLEARLY a twink/leveling item /facepalm

[long swallow]

curently it's like 500 600ẽ

ex

that amullet lmao

gremling love that

[pearl orbit]

it's a good early league amulet that gets less and less good as the league goes on
its generally a 100c amulet on league start
40c 2 weeks in
and 20c for a perfect roll after a month

[glad sinew]

So so far ive tried out monk's invoker tree with avatar and elemental expression and both seems rather medicore.

Avatar just takes forever to charge up due to the internal cooldown and elemental expression just doesnt seem that strong for what is an ascendecy point

[pearl orbit]

yes it has a lot more value in poe2

[unreal girder]

Are there any non lvl 1 unique crossbows?

[pearl orbit]

but you know why?

[limpid turtle]

ah ,didnt see the level req

[pearl orbit]

not because the amulet itself is amazing

but because shit like HoWa exists as a glove

and not a claw

[mortal cloak]

Yea it's not an end-game item, it's a twink leveling item that allows you to ignore almost all the little issues you run into while leveling

You enver have to worry about stat reqs for any item, any gem, you never have to worry about mana, etc.....

[steady berry]

a 100c amulet sounds good

[pearl orbit]

by definition twink levelling items are not insane

they are levelling items

[steady berry]

you're being so pedantic lol

[mortal cloak]

he really is lol

Im not gonna engage with him anymore

[pearl orbit]

not remotely
dude's coming in here like oh my goooood this can't be real it's so strong
i'm tryna put it in perspective

he's clearly new

shit like 7 leagues were awesome

[steady berry]

i think some builds would wear an astramentis forever since it lets you use blasphemy for example as anyone

[pearl orbit]

they were not godly

[mortal cloak]

Idk if you realize how much of a douche you're sounding like right now but xD

[pearl orbit]

i don't really care if i'm sounding like a douche, i'm here to teach people not coddle them

[mortal cloak]

Yea I didn't play POE1, but if you've played POE2 since launch and checked item stats you'd never see more than like +10/20 stats from an item so yea seeing +96 on one I was like bruh wtf is that even correct

[steady berry]

also like again astramentis is now 200 life in a game where life is super hard to stack

[mortal cloak]

You're not teaching, you're being a dick lol

[steady berry]

or 400 if you're gemling pog

[pearl orbit]

yes like i said it has a lot more value in poe2

[vapid mantle]

for fubguns deadeye build, if i get pierce on my quiver can i unspec the point in pierce on the skill tree?

[limpid turtle]

I think they were setting expecations lol

[pearl orbit]

^^^^

[limpid turtle]

Providing expectations and applying them to curent situation

I was the one who misread lol

[snow sierra]

ha i rebuild my chronomancer no worrying about dieing in t15 maps is fun

[limpid turtle]

idk why you're kirking out on kira here lol

[pearl orbit]

it happens a lot, i'm not the nicest person lol
i am autistic and i speak very bluntly
i get why ppl can be mad about how i say things but im not gonna rewrite my shit 12 times when i can just get the main point across

anyway sorry if u guys got offended, didn't mean that
was just trying to set expectations like quality said

im off to bed gngn

[silk juniper]

if the node says gain 20% crit hit chance if you havent dealt a crit recently, does that mean that whenever I hit a crit I lose the 20% crit hit chance?

[snow sierra]

I have a absolut insane build idea with blood mage that could run around with 40k energy shield...the only thing i havent solved is mana substain

[silk juniper]

I am trying to get there

I only have 5k es atm

[sleek nexus]

Level 20 sorc not hitting hard enough. Any build i should check out?

[snow sierra]

shh ghostwrithe on a bloodmage, hoping temp hp doubles the energy shield bonus too

then put grim feast on

[silk juniper]

no

that does not work

[pearl orbit]

cold snap
i posted tree and skill setup earlier if u scroll up this channel
it wont be exact cuz you'll be missing some gems but u can follow it as close as u can and it will carry you, just played it all way thru acts

[silk juniper]

cause overflow hp is not max hp

[snow sierra]

ah god damit

[silk juniper]

but you can still get 10-20k es probably

once you are fully geared up

[sleek nexus]

Tell me or i wake the kitty

[snow sierra]

yes but my chrono can get this mutch without hp problems and a better acendency

bloodmage lost its place i my build^^

[pearl orbit]

@sleek nexus skill setup is posted just under this picture

[silk juniper]

hmm

I mean bloodmage has its benefits

[pearl orbit]

i sleep now gl and gn

[unkempt nexus]

wanting to do a magic find build (because well..i like loot.) but i hate squishy characters. x.x any suggestions? someone said chayula monk with ES leech?

[snow sierra]

sure it has but not in my build then ^^

[mortal cloak]

Does blind/accuracy not effect grenades or do trash mobs just not have any ability to avoid attacks?

I've noticed that I can blind myself with my grenades and I still never miss lol

[snow sierra]

i would go deadeye for magic find

because gear flexiblity is important to have the stats to spend

[atomic pier]

Wonder what happens to minions when u use the transfer all amulet stats to them with that...

[snow sierra]

and tailwind with alot of dodge is hella tanky

[north talon]

How much Chaos res should I be looking to hit? I know more is better but how much do I need to stay upright

[snow sierra]

as mutch as you can affort

[silk juniper]

after you cap ele res

you should look for as much as you can

[snow sierra]

and damage

like i had 20 chaos res until t13 maps now with money and gear i have 67

[atomic pier]

Strange question but do minions count each other as allies within range modifiers? Or only the player is counted as allies.

[mortal cloak]

lmao would be interesting

[silk juniper]

they do

[snow sierra]

minions are allys as far as i am aware

[atomic pier]

I just got a sick idea, thanks

[torn garnet]

imma try that see cuz cursed ground which another person recommends for sure doesn't work

they still have it in their builds but for sure cursed ground and chayula doesn't work for the curses in it

[north talon]

This is SSF so money doesn't do a whole lot, but I am in T11 atm with. Choas res seems like the last big obvious holeto scale. more life of course as well but that is just normal gear

[snow sierra]

i think chaos res scaling later on helps alot

[atomic pier]

You play in HDR, I know because I get the same bug when taking screenshots and pasting them into paint. 😄

[north talon]

yes, I could turn it off but too lazy

[snow sierra]

because it reduces chance to get oneshot by something, and thus chance of losing the map

[atomic pier]

Same

[silk juniper]

you just have to be more wary of volatile plants/crystals, poison and extra dmg as chaos stuff

you will get one shot sometimes

butt

[snow sierra]

its about making it less likely

[silk juniper]

it tis not that big of a deal

[north talon]

I'd love too... they are just real hard to see sometimes. Idk why they made every rare explode in a huge explosion obscuring everything

[proven rapids]

how fast minion revive ? With 80% faster revive, how fast wpuld they revive ?

[silk juniper]

I tihnk it takes 10 seconds to revive

base

[snow sierra]

lol turns out the water witches oneshot you with 20k ehp and block still

if you afk in the vortex to long^^

[sterile stone]

any recoup andys here? how good it is if i were to have 70% life recoup over 4 seconds?

[calm grotto]

The damage that the "Bone storm" skill does on the Boss is insane. The sad thing about this skill is the cast time

[hushed umbra]

Can I put more gem slots into generic "shoot" skill?

[cerulean quarry]

https://maxroll.gg/poe2/planner/bw29w0bx - i added it to maxroll since it's easier for me to follow.

[snow sierra]

i did run recoup until t13 maps with my chrono, but i did move away from live recoup fast cause i didnt like the "low" hp pool and combined MoM with midnight brait for 70% mana recoup and 33% life from chrono

[proven rapids]

very very good, as long as you build some block or evasion you're basically immortal unless you take a bit hit from a boss

[hollow orchid]

If i'm CI, does % max health regen go over to % max energy shield regen or does that do % of the 1 max health i have?

[proven rapids]

it goes over to %max es regen

because it's worded "instead"

not "excess life regen"

[hollow orchid]

Does this also work for the recoup regen to?

[snow sierra]

no

recoup is not reg, unless its for the purpose of reducing it, but not sure on the last part

but the life reg stuff i did test^^

[devout dew]

anyone here lightning deadeye able to guide me if possible

[frigid ermine]

How do you get the white line on gear ?

[hollow orchid]

ok ty @snow sierra

[frigid ermine]

It’s crafting ?

[snow sierra]

Runes

[frigid ermine]

Can you reroll it multiple time ?

Oh so you need socket ?

Than you engrave rune ?

Is there rng to it ?

[snow sierra]

yes you can put it on with a orb, and then just put a rune in. You should pick up any socketed items and deconstruct them for these orbs

no rng

[frigid ermine]

Ty

I guess I’m still a bit to early to invest in gear like that

[devout dew]

anyone here ranger lightning deadeye able to help me if possible

[frigid ermine]

Starting act1 cruel

[snow sierra]

nah i had rune from act2 normal

used them to give me res here and there and on cruel to fix res

[frigid ermine]

Really ? I feel like I’m updating my gear to frequently for that..

[snow sierra]

I had a few very good pices since level 5-20 that i didnt change until 60^^

[frigid ermine]

Oh wow

Like what ?

[snow sierra]

Helm with +1 to Minions

Amulett with +1 to minions

[frigid ermine]

Ohh I see

Well I don’t think I would be the same for monk

[snow sierra]

ah level 28 shield with 80 hp and good res^^

[silk juniper]

guys I think that they didnt add spectres cause if you could make a spectre of the miner that throws dinamites he would one shot every enemy in the game

[snow sierra]

they will, no one knows when

[silk juniper]

some of these monsters are so strong for no reason

[snow sierra]

Doubt its the monsters

[harsh ferry]

i mean it is EA

[snow sierra]

cause that will be a issue no matter what

i assume its a strange interaction they couldnt fix

[river summit]

It's because it wasn't ready to be released when early access was there were still a lot of issues with it which is to be expected with such a skill I don't envy the person who has to fix it lmao

[silk juniper]

yeah ik I was just joking that a spectre build would be op with how overtuned some mobs are

[snow sierra]

yes it will be

for sure

[silk juniper]

raise spectre is probably the most complicated skill in poe1

by a mile

[snow sierra]

and there will be alot of fixes when spectre comes out xD

and alot of crying and alot of breaking of strange builds

[river summit]

Yup

[silk juniper]

I lowkey want to see if the act 2 mob that gives energy shield would be crazy

as a spectre

[river summit]

Though it will take weeks to compile and find the spectres to raise

It will be like the quest to find the one piece

[sterile stone]

@snow sierra @proven rapids i c i c, i wanna try chrono minion

sicne infernalist almost doesnt do anything

[silk juniper]

oh yeah with no desecrate you would have to go out and find them

you cant just ask someone to desecrate it for you

[snow sierra]

sure feel free to wisper me when you have questions

[river summit]

Yup unless they add some way to do that on the spectre gem itself

I'm holding off on minions waiting to see what 3rd witch ascendancy is and wether spectres are viable

Just playing shock merc and gonna get it to a good point then start farming up gear for a spear character

[sterile stone]

whats your build with chrono?

[river summit]

I really hope they will throw the spear in a skill that creates a big aoe or something but I doubt

[sterile stone]

hows the time stop with bosses?

[snow sierra]

Minions ?:x what do you mean what acendencys points i did pick ?

[sterile stone]

oohhhhh thought other build

[snow sierra]

time stop is kinda meh imo still have it now tho

[sterile stone]

so slow, 2x recoup, what else?

[narrow pelican]

Should I sell flasks or store them?

[sterile stone]

ig time rift for panik button?

[snow sierra]

slow, rewind, timestop i have now, i started with rewind then slow, after 3 lab i did take out rewind to get slow and recoup

[hollow orchid]

does bleeding instantly kill you if you are CI, since it bypasses energyshield?

[snow sierra]

time rift for a panik button is the best

[mystic shard]

So is evasion just superior block?

Is there any downsides to it that make it worse than block?

[snow sierra]

yes that you spend gear on it

block needs a shield that it you are happy

[mystic shard]

I mean us pend a shield slot on blocking but sure gotcha

[sterile stone]

aiight gonna create new char agane

[mystic shard]

u die?

[snow sierra]

be ready for some pain, until you path to the minion notes , cause you dont have the op starting witch notes in reach^^

[mystic shard]

@snow sierra what'd u reasonably think u can get ur evasion chance to fully focusing on it?

[river summit]

You dont fully focus on it

That's the point

[snow sierra]

yes deadeye evasion is insanely good as far as i am aware atm

[sterile stone]

minions kinda overtune(?) i hope its gonna fine

sniper shreds act 1 boss

[mystic shard]

What are the point in comments like this? It's theorycrafting.

Don't you get that?

[snow sierra]

Maybe ? but we will be fine, even if nerfs come it will be only a dmg nerf not build breaking

[sterile stone]

i hope we have poe1 minion blocking so melee actually viable

[snow sierra]

it works, and tailwind fixes the evasion problem

[mystic shard]

ok imma j ust answer myself and spit ball it can get to about 50%

[snow sierra]

cause if you focus evasion you gotta fix the "what if i get hit" problem

[river summit]

There is no point theory crafting something that is objectively wrong, you cannot physically focus on only evasion with no armour investment at all, unless you can manage to get your life to 4k or something silly the 1 time you don't evade something you will cease to exist

[mystic shard]

yes I know, I was just trying to find the limits

@snow sierra

[river summit]

It's probbaly something like 75 percent no? Same as block right

[turbid kettle]

anyone know if I wanted to make two separate build on the same character, if re-allocating all my used passive skill point so far , can I utilize all of them as weapon set points among both builds? Or only the few points awarded from bosses can be used for that?

[mystic shard]

there u go, was that so hard?

[river summit]

Ohhh my bad I missresd your comment

That makes more sense now

[snow sierra]

I think tailwind could make gearing only evasion bases work

[river summit]

I think it's capped at 75 unless you take other nodes

Then there's other things that gives you other defences based off of evasion

Or other mechanics that are defensive

[snow sierra]

And if you have to mutch you get the "i dodge everything" note

[silk juniper]

thought max dodge chance was 90%

[mystic shard]

seeing as it doesn't seem to have a base, like the base 25% of a shield, id wager it takes a lot more investment to get 75% then u would with a shield.

[river summit]

It might be, I assumed they lowered it but it could be 90

[mystic shard]

|
With just about 20 points I think I can get 60% on a shield

[sleek nexus]

is sorc borked so bad it's no good to start on?

[snow sierra]

every build feels kinda hard to start often if you dont exactly know what spells cheese leveling

[sage arch]

Are there any good builds out there that focus on mainly DoT?

[snow sierra]

if its your first char atleast^^

[sleek nexus]

so i mean whats the deal with sorc

im level 20

stuck on second boss act 2

looking for respec to slappa the ass

[snow sierra]

mostlikely wrong support gems, unlucky with spell rank gems, or very bad gear

with level 20 the skilltree wont help you that mutch^^

[silk juniper]

I beat it with spark flame wall ez

orb of lightning + spark + flame wall

made it easy

[warped jackal]

Is there a way to have poison on quarterstaff? or is the use of a xbow better?

[sleek nexus]

i had those. passives?

[snow sierra]

i had just the srs munchys 😛 they where fine enough too

[silk juniper]

increased dmg against enemies affected by ailments

[sleek nexus]

*i HAVE those

[silk juniper]

ok then just dont get hit

it should be free

[warped jackal]

for chaos; https://discord.com/channels/174993814845521922/1316077636866412625

[silk juniper]

no much you can do on lvl 20 passive tree

[snow sierra]

there are some very neat poison pathfindes out there but no clue how to build them^^

[simple tundra]

Anyone have advice for mana sustain for attack builds on bottom/merc side of tree

[sleek nexus]

should i take int for all attributes?

[snow sierra]

no you take str unless you need int

[gleaming bluff]

which are the best ascendancies atm? I know merc has one that's considered amazing, and Kripp's infernalist, but is sorc anywhere near that class?

[sleek nexus]

whats the thought about taking str with a sorc build?

[snow sierra]

My chronomancer is the best acendency because what i play is best 😛

str gives hp, hp makes you not die, no more thoughts then that^^

[sleek nexus]

word

[gleaming bluff]

https://tenor.com/view/play-poe-2-the-best-game-arpg-poe-like-true-diablo-path-of-exile-2-gif-16648459918324750033

[gleaming bluff]

and it's buffed from poe1 right? so 1 str = 2 life or something like it

[calm grotto]

Lul this build for bonestorm s

[snow sierra]

yes str is a big source of hp if you need it

[sleek nexus]

i was informed theres no way to get HP from passives but thats a LIE huh

ffs

this my first ARPG XD

[runic creek]

Reached maps as chayula monk, feeling like I chose poorly. Any tips for switching to a bow build? I feel like elemental melee isn't going to scale well with chayula

[sleek nexus]

should i do it?

for fire wall/spark/orb?

[silk juniper]

waiatt

why do you not have cast speed and mana regen

[sleek nexus]

i was askin

[gritty marten]

Amen, chronomancer gang

[snow sierra]

like read what strengh dos in character screen ? for poe just read things carefully, wording in poe is very important and you can understand alot by just read things carefully and consider what they mean. PoE often uses "programming" like writing to describe things its very precise

[tiny gyro]

I've got a question regarding coversion if anyone's willing to enlighten me!
So my mate is using gas arrow and we're wondering how the conversion of the explosion is working. it says converts 100% of phys to fire, and the tooltip says once it's converted the original dmg(phys) is no longer scaled.
So the questions is, using this bow as an example, if the damage that's being converted is the bow phys dmg (aka 101-166), or just the adds 10 to 20 phys dmg?

[silk juniper]

lowkey thought you were following a proper guide since you had the inc dmg with ailments

[gleaming bluff]

with how tanky everything is I always assumed that spell dmg >>> all

[silk juniper]

cast speed is dmg

[gleaming bluff]

yeah but standing still is required

[sleek nexus]

i aint got NO guide for early game any more post nerfs

[silk juniper]

get at least this node

for cast speed

what are you running on your spark and orb of lighnting?

like support gems

[sleek nexus]

peirce/arcane tempo on spark and controlled demolition/persitence on orb

[silk juniper]

get rid of persistence and get overemcubered

whatever it is

the one that adds 1 to the limit

if you cast fast you dont need duration on your orb cause you will use all of its bolts

before the duration

[wide folio]

is there such a thing as too much damage penetration? im playing lightning arrow deadeye

[sleek nexus]

ok so over abundance on orb?

[silk juniper]

you cant pen to negative

yes overabundance on orb

[wary wadi]

hi im going cold monk build which socket gems should i use for best possible dmg? cold dmg or 20% physical dmg or smth other?

[wide folio]

do monsters have some innate lightning res?

without the modifiers

[sleek nexus]

i need 15 dex then

[silk juniper]

umm

[sleek nexus]

that'd be 2/3 of my attribute nodes

[silk juniper]

thats fine

having 2 orb of lighnting should be big dps increase

[sleek nexus]

wait u can have TWO

wtf

lol

so where do i put my last 7 then

[cerulean quarry]

I remember someone said that the penetration cannot go beyond 0. But since you can have a negative res as a player it would make sense that it also applied to mobs.

[harsh ferry]

you should have trusted what they said

0 indeed

[sleek nexus]

i can hit the upper jewel socket

[harsh ferry]

going into negative res is kind of broken anyways

[silk juniper]

ok let me draw it

for you

you want these at least

ignore my own tree

[silk juniper]

well mobs can have neg resistance

[mortal cloak]

What's the easiest way to filter a vendor to check for +quality items ?

[sleek nexus]

ok thx

so i just get a second orbs and cast em both?

[fervent bolt]

could anybody please help me understand how Herald of Thunder interacts with a skill like Fragmentation Rounds? Does it convert all my frag rounds damage to lightning?

[peak solstice]

Any sign of Thors hammer Mjolnir, unique hammer from poe1 yet?

[silk juniper]

yes drop both down and then spam spark inside it

[sleek nexus]

you the BEST

[placid spindle]

Any viable Fire Sorc builds floating around these days?

[pearl sluice]

for monk, sheild or health? armour or evasion?

[sleek nexus]

how do u get a second orbs then, do i need another level 3 gem?

it's greyed out

i got lots of level 5s but i cant make another orbs

[trim nexus]

how much crit rate should i be aiming for for a crit build

[severe drum]

what does freeze magnitude do?

[silk juniper]

you dont need another skill gem

just press the skill twice

try it out

[sleek nexus]

ahhh i see

what support gems for flame wall

premeditation/persistence?

[rigid oak]

Is it possible to play a Sorcerer with 2 handed sword? Or some melee caster like that?

[snow sierra]

There are no 2h swords in early access and casting with one wouldnt be the best idea

[mortal cloak]

Does this work just like a Vaal Orb? Should I save it for using on a skill gem with 5 slots unlocked ?

[wide folio]

would you say 80% element penetration is too much? is it wasted?

[gloomy void]

When on Warrior, why does my life regeneration stops when using a skill? Totally gets me killed.

[drifting cedar]

you can't pen past zero now, so very likely

I think capping pen around 50% is likely to be a sweet spot

even if a mob has 75% res, getting that last 25 won't make a tremendous difference

[silk juniper]

vaal orbs are so common

[mortal cloak]

Yea but you need like...15-20 later on right, just for your gems/skill gems?

[river summit]

Do we know ele res of t16 maps

[mortal cloak]

And at level 45 is there any point really to use it? Like I only have 3 support unlocked on half my skill gems, if it takes a slot away right now that would suck lol

[gusty bone]

Does Corrupting Cry only stack up to 10?

[drifting cedar]

use it on your 2 socketed body armor to try for a 3rd socket

[mortal cloak]

It could fuck my item up badly tho right?

[drifting cedar]

yes

[mortal cloak]

I would think the best use of vaal would be gems > skill gems > items

Since it can't have a negative on a regular gem ? Or is that wrong

[snow sierra]

or make it very good 😛

[mortal cloak]

Yea but only a 20% chance right? I'd assume using it on good items would be the last thing you would do

You'd want your standard passive gems to be vaal'ed first and then your skill slot gems for +1 support slot no?

[drifting cedar]

use it on cheap uniques with potential to minimize losses and maybe get a cool leveling item

iono

[mortal cloak]

Can it transform the uniques? I thought I saw something about POE1 it could literally change a unique into a different named unique?

[drifting cedar]

that was a different item

that's ancient orb, where a unique becomes another unique of the same class

there's also tainted mythic orbs, where you can try to turn a corrupt item to unique or poof it

so some people would get certain uniques, corrupt them to try to turn them rare while keeping some aspect of them like enchantments, then mythic to turn them into a better unique

I don't think that exists here?

[placid spindle]

My fire sorc seems to be falling off hard around 40

[nimble fiber]

I tried out https://poe2db.tw/us/Kitokos_Current the electrocution gloves for my invoker lightning monk to autogenerate powercharges by electrocuting and it is working super nice. But i dont know if having such a bad item statwise just for the mechanic is still viable in the endgame. Has anyone tried this?

[drifting cedar]

That seems pretty smart to me if you can handle the dps loss from negative attack speed (and no positive attack speed)

power charge generation vs big bosses is a real concern for several monk builds

[tepid wharf]

Eh.... Is there such thing as too much skill level? This is only a 16 gem at lvl 26 lmfao

my mana dies in like 3 shots

but nothing survives anyways

[nimble fiber]

Yeah i saw the freeze version but it is quite a stretch for me to get enough cold damage and this thing dropped on me at the right time. Currently i can even spam Falling thunder in between. And i have the curse palm strike to mark mobs to get a charge on crit so the loop works. Its just such a bad item.

[river summit]

Is there any point to armour break if your not phys idk if it's same as poe1

[drifting cedar]

there are some things that consume fully broken armour to stun / deal big damage

but it won't affect your damage output

https://poe2db.tw/us/Break_Endurance https://poe2db.tw/us/Impact_Shockwave https://poe2db.tw/us/Armour_Explosion https://poe2db.tw/us/Devastate

bunch of cool stuff to combo around endurance charges / full armour break / heavy stun

https://poe2db.tw/us/Exploit_Weakness sorry, forgot the big one

[solemn island]

If i wanted to do a fire warrior, would i essentially have to play as a normal warrior until i'm high enough and then swap to Avatar? making sure my skills don't rely on physical damage?

[valid berry]

Hey guys can somone give me some good suggestions for what one might want to annoint in a gas arrow build?

im guessing just intense flames?

[drifting cedar]

There is one very early and very good skill that already comes with fire conversion, perfect strike

[solemn island]

I've tried perfect strike on a warrior i have already and i never seem to hit with it, i hear it's an amazing skill, but it just seems to do nothing for me

and i know about the attack window for it too

[drifting cedar]

oh, yeah, not sure why. my experience was that it was very strong

my first run through of EA was on warrior and I was able to kill the act 1 boss in maybe 10 attacks

2h, though

[solemn island]

yeah, i was similar, though i was using a stun build and was crit hitting him when he was stunned

[drifting cedar]

but no, you don't really need to wait until avatar of fire. you can run fire infusion and there are fire skills at every tier after the first for mace

[atomic pier]

When you give your minion bro's a present and they give it right back. 😄

[silk juniper]

my friend plays warrior and he stunned the final boss of act 2 on loop

it kinda shocked me

[drifting cedar]

lol thats pretty funny actually

infernalist tech maybe

[atomic pier]

You have not seen freeze build yet 😄

[drifting cedar]

use the dog and nothing else for minions, just be a fire build

[silk juniper]

I wanted to do that but the radius is so small

[drifting cedar]

haven't done minions yet, is there a meat shield / defensive behavior equivalent in poe 2?

to make them stick to you

[silk juniper]

no

sadly not

[solemn island]

yeah, did notice there are a lot of fire skills for use, guess i relied too much on that unique mace on my first warrior XD

[kind timber]

they say this cus theyre talking about % hp. poe1 had many poe +% hp nodes and poe 2 doesnt, so people generally say poe 2 passive tree doesnt have any hp

[atomic pier]

Minions are real buggy on environment right now, they stick to everything else but you

They get stuck on objects and narrow gaps all the time

[silk juniper]

yes

so atm I would not take that

if they add a gem that makes minions defensive

[drifting cedar]

Does convocation exist?

[silk juniper]

I will take that

no

it doesnt

[drifting cedar]

oof

[silk juniper]

if you are far from your minions

they die

[mortal cloak]

just starting using shock grenades and they shock the shit out of stuff, surprised me

[atomic pier]

Just a notable node that u get in skill tree not part of ascendancy 😄

[drifting cedar]

shock seems like the most reliable ailment honestly

[drifting cedar]

oh yeah but I mean, infernalist gets the hellhound for free

"free"

but it makes her tankier too, gives a minion that doesn't reserve spirit afaik

[mortal cloak]

I wish I had a freezing grenade to help frag shot out

Without a freeze it falls off a bit

[silk juniper]

how can I see the radius of a tower in the atlas

[harsh ferry]

love the hellhound

[spiral walrus]

Hello, if I want to convert my damage from say fire to cold, would I pick fire damage/pen nodes or cold damage/pen nodes or even both?

Edit: turns out the ingame glossary explains it's the new damage type

[open brook]

does anyone know how deadeyes "skills have an additional proj" affects crossbow skills ? does it add to bolts loaded? or is it like poe 1 where plus 1 proj would make the skills fire in a fork pattern?

[spiral walrus]

There's a post on reddit where someone detailed all the quirks with bolts (https://www.reddit.com/r/PathOfExile2/comments/1hdhghu/the_big_list_of_crossbow_inconsistencies_so_ggg/)

The answer depends on the skill

[silent prawn]

Is there a best poison skill for Bursting plague?

[granite vault]

which monk builds use wand?

[barren snow]

Anyone here know the best bosskiller by now? 😄

[silent prawn]

chaos dot probably
but can likely used by any elemental too

[granite vault]

thanks! is it viable?

[silent prawn]

I mean Acolyte of Chayula has some Chaos scaling

[river summit]

Different from poe1 depends on skill

[crimson holly]

am still leveling my merc and having a blast with nade build but thinking of switching to galvanic shards so idk what do yall think

is it better ? cause its alot of money to switch builds

[coarse lake]

the node 'Unerring Impact' that gives +2 melee strike range. does that count to range melee skill strikes, specifically for the quarter staff?

[river summit]

I really enjoy it and bossing is a blast, if you've got the gear too then maybe

[lone sand]

Any suggestions on a lightning build for sorc to level up with? I am lvl 20 now

[vapid zephyr]

Does anyone know if the chronomancer recoup speed passive works for recoup mana

Health is obvious but wasn’t sure about mana

[spark fog]

I use galvanic for trash and rapid for bosses. Level 75 working through my 10 t5 maps with no issue. Just focus on projectile, straight attack, and attack speed and don’t take lightning since it won’t help rapid.

I recommend slotting mobility once you have four secondary slots on rapid so you can move while blasting

[bold zodiac]

How viable would a stormweaver lightning archer be? Chills+Shocks, massive exposures, etc.

[river summit]

I use shockburst with a really good phys and lightning xbow but yh most people just use gull phys bow and rapid with brutality

[spark fog]

Rapid is very satisfying for boss burning 🙂

[coarse lake]

whats the go to for how many jewel slots you want on the board

[spark fog]

I wouldn’t reach for jewel spots. You’ll probably get at least two on your way to other things

[merry hound]

go full bone build since it has the most crit rate and minions could spawn on corpse to help u tank, grim feast is good to get overflow energy, with both overhealth and overflow energy you are invincible.

[coarse lake]

ok, cool. ive casually gotten 4 on the builder im working on. was curious if it was better to shoot for more or not. if 2 is expected, im assuming im good then.

[spark fog]

Yeah you’re definitely good with four

[coarse lake]

cheers

[atomic pier]

I put this on my skeletal warriors, I can see the bleed support gem is applying on enemies but can't tell if the shock one is applying or not, any way to tell?

[river summit]

Do ur skeletons do lightning dmg

[atomic pier]

No I dont have anything that does lightning

[river summit]

Then There not gonna shock

[atomic pier]

Ah so the bleed only applies because the warriors do physical. I get ya, will have to figure out another way to get shock on my witch/minions then cheers

[silent prawn]

there needs to be a shock chance first in order to increase shock

[silk juniper]

there is a storm mage skeleton I think

or maybe it is ice

[silent prawn]

there is both

[atomic pier]

Frost Mages im using don't really want to drop one for storm mage, Il figure out another way

cheers

[river summit]

The skill gem says more shock chance not shock chance

If you have 0 lightning damage or 0 shock chance then you are gaining 100 percent more of 0

[spark fog]

There is an arrow you can click to the right of each skill that will tell you the chance to shock bleed etc

If you don’t see it there then it isn’t happening

[river summit]

Chance to shock doesn't show up

Because it's calced different in poe 2 than 1

[spark fog]

That means you have no chance

If you’re not doing lightning then yeah it won’t show. If you do lightning then it will

[river summit]

Can you show me a screenshot where yours shows it? I shock everything but shock chance isn't on my skills

I'm shock based merc

[solemn island]

Would I want to put Fast Forward or Persistence onto Time of Need?

which one would cause the heal and cleanse to happen more often?

[spark fog]

I can’t at the moment, sitting on a plane, but will later

[atomic pier]

Does any lightning damage = shocked enemies?

[solemn island]

i think any elemental damage has a chance of procing it's ailment type

[river summit]

Cool ty because I couldn't find it any base shock doesn't exist its all increased chance and more chance, it's based on the lightning damage of the hit vs enemies ailment threshold and your increased chance to shock

[solemn island]

have cold on a staff and was building up freeze

[spark fog]

Hmm I might be thinking of increased, not base then

I know bleed shows base

Also a galvanic merc shocking everything

And bleeding and blinding and culling. Merc is fun

[river summit]

Yeah a huge amount of increased ailment chance just for all ailments

I'm glad that they just made it more of a general stat lots of bleed nodes near merc start too

Lucky lightning damage too

[amber lark]

so broken on spark sorc

[gloomy void]

Can someone please tell me why my life regeneration shortly stops when using a skill? (Warrior, Titan, Blood Magic)

Sunder takes 2 seconds to activate, I am almost dying everytime I am mapping.

[spark fog]

Life regen doesn’t feel like it is working as intended right now. Stutters like xbow reloads

[river summit]

That's one reason I hated rapid, becuase it stuttered like 5 times before I bloody reloaded

So annoying especially when you've got a lot of reload speed I could have fired like 3 more times man

[unborn birch]

can anyone help me understand why i'm doing no boss damage at all, playing ligthing arrow and rod build

[spark fog]

I try to manually reload to avoid the stutter. I am looking forward to it getting fixed though so that’s not necessary

[unborn birch]

i had to struggle for two hours for act 1 final boss, help please i'm new

[spark fog]

Show us your bow

[gloomy void]

Equipment is more important than your passives.

[unborn birch]

this is the best bow i've been able to find in game yet

[sterile stone]

i had the same problem with my caster, no dmg bcs of shit loot

[unborn birch]

that's my bow right there

[shadow tinsel]

Yo, if im running a ranger with lightning arrow, I already have Pierce,Martial Tempo, and Lightning Infusion on it. If I were to use a Greater and possibly a Perfect jewellers orb on it, what would be the best things to put in the 4th and 5th sockets??

[river summit]

Yeah I'd love it

[spark fog]

And what level are you?

[unborn birch]

17 right now

[spark fog]

That’s not too bad then. I don’t remember what level the act 1 boss is but try to stay 3 levels above for easiness

[open hollow]

for trial of chaos (ascendancy), where to go after 4th room? how to exit properly?

[sonic peak]

I know the description leads to it, but has anyone tested if chaos% leads or not to poison dmg increase outside of the initial hit?

[unborn birch]

i can clear mobs with ease, but that final boss took little to no damage

[sonic peak]

As in:

• Deal 1000 phys hit that inflicts poison
• No added chaos
• Will 'increased chaos dmg' increase the poison dmg?

My understanding is that it wont in PoE2

[digital axle]

poision is chaos damage over time if im correct and all chaos% damage should amplify it, but dont forget its EA and some stuff can be broken

[sonic peak]

Ignite, bleed, and poison dmg are now based on magnitude

[fiery lily]

Hi is it okay if I lose 10% of my dps for 30% more evasion?

34k dps -> 30k dps
48% eva -> 78% eva

[sonic peak]

Which seems to take only into account the initial hit + mods to magnitude

So my guess is that it doesn't affect poison at all, even though yes, it is chaos dmg

[sonic peak]

There's a description in the poison keyword that says 'the magnitude is not further affected by any modifiers', which ppl are interpreting as 'chaos inc will not inc the chaos dmg'

[spark fog]

Don’t hesitate to play around with other skills. Usually the best trash clearing skills are not the best bossing / single target skills

[sonic peak]

I might test this out later today

[spark fog]

All depends on how fast you’re clearing vs how often you’re dying

[sonic peak]

Although I'd need a decent chaos inc nod to see if there are any changes, and I don't want to spend respecs

xD

[fiery lily]

I don't understand evasion though it seems im still getting hit(?)

[spark fog]

Could also use a chaos charm and see if it triggers against poison attacks

[wraith fox]

Ive not played a spell based character in poe2 yet, but holy shit my shop on my ranger (which wont ever give me a bow upgrade) keeps getting insane amouns of staves, wands and foci with insane amount of spell dmg, elemental dmg or + lvls to gems

[spark fog]

lol honestly I can’t help. I took the node to convert all evasion to armor and never looked back

[fiery lily]

what node is that

[solemn island]

How would i get Time of Need to heal/cleanse more often? would i use Persistence or Fast Forward?

[sonic peak]

Chaos charm increases chaos dmg...?

[digital axle]

as said it will increase initial chaos damage aka poision magnitude. but it wont affect later. for example u hit mob and poision it. then u buff up somehow to increase phys or chaos damage, can be wep swap for example. it wont increase that applied poision damage. atleast thats how i understand it

[unborn birch]

will look around for other skills, thanks for the suggestion

[spark fog]

Outside ring very bottom middle and slightly to the left

[fiery lily]

currently got almost 8k now maybe dumping this to armour would help me survive trials..

[spark fog]

There is one that buffs chaos resist on taking chaos damage

[sonic peak]

That as well, but my understanding is that if you're dealing only phys dmg on the hit, inc chaos dmg will not increase chaos dmg

Since it won't impact the dot itself

[spark fog]

Yeah I don’t like the evasion mechanic. I want consistent dmg reduction and armor gives that

[sonic peak]

If you're dealing a chaos hit on the other hand, yeah, it will increase

Since your hit will deal more dmg

[digital axle]

seems so, if ure not dealing initial chaos damage and only phys then inc chaos% wont affect to poision magniude

[floral smelt]

anyone care to help me as a gemling merc? i have no idea what to do to "fix" or improve my build currently, due to gold issues for respecs, and a lack of loot or spirit/support gems.
MY current attrempt at a build is with the lightning based skills, galv, shockburst, voltaic grenade
Level 49

[sonic peak]

My understanding on that btw, is that they want to make bleed/chaos viable with stuff other than phys/chaos, since in PoE1 you want to focus purely on phys dmg for bleed and chaos dmg for poison, since you can double dip (the inc dmg takes effect from both the hit and the dot)

This is clearly visible by them introducing a node on the bloodmage that lets you bleed with ele dmg

Would be useless if you could double dip with phys

[digital axle]

tbh tooltips can be misleading...

[spark fog]

Did you get all xbow reload nodes? That’s usually the first thing

[floral smelt]

I think i actually have them all, i looked for them right away cos the reloading was really annoying

[digital axle]

for example im trying to do shield boy, doing only damage with shield skills... and theres a node that increases armour of a shield. so theoretically i should get more damage of that... but i dont sadly 😦

[spark fog]

After that grab bleed and blind. Also galvanic kinda sucks against single target but is a lawn mower for trash. I use rapid fire for bosses.

[sonic peak]

Make sure you use the search function, if you search for 'crossbow' it'll highlight all crossbow nodes (can also search for grenades, bleed, etc)

[vivid crown]

is that thing for witches that allows you to get any mini boss on your side in the game already?

[spark fog]

Start shooting during the boss entry animations so you’re fired up when it becomes attackable

[sonic peak]

No

[floral smelt]

I've got the basics of stuff like that down, im just assuming ive done something wrong somewhere to feel so weak

[spark fog]

Weapon is more important than passives