2┃build-planning

[pastel forge]

ty!

[unreal girder]

Can you make the witch hunter explosion ignite

[sleek depot]

Not seeing this in poedb though? Is this gone or not confirmed to exist?

[delicate fern]

yep as long as you can convert it to fire

[silent prawn]

likely

[stuck ember]

its physical damage so youd have to convert to fire, and then yeah probably

[finite mica]

https://poe2db.tw/us/passive-skill-tree/AAAABgECgR3oIN91pQxd585beNtizd8Sg1eTR-e5w8fwVypzPo3OVxJ-lD0CFX3hbhFofquFCnuc5_A-YbUWxPeXyMDNCBeWFJKnfcJtYsV-TOAwrvsrRPd38PbpGvI0wZp0SCHDErs7VECbHsptFjwZEITFwkaXM19uuJ9IEHW9yiXFxQySXXqzyJ9jvCuqhWeWAfr7ZcOOi3ygwoNBCy_UEJXgjH6gqV8SvcUgndz0pF31fEamWSUO77jLCM4Mj_Pku54tmJh97-txURTC5-K24yGo3UBoOiieTfPOP62nosW4pqP03UksSVuD8xaUVsaAtdr01QYKl6t8kmSRUll9NvLJ2os1_wAA

bloodmage, cold based (certainly EoW): critics?

[balmy fable]

warcries look about the same sadly

[finite mica]

absence of life from tree is so disturbing..

[stuck ember]

hard to say how it feel sin practice but i kinda like it

[sleek depot]

It's prefered honestly, it's less bloat

[stuck ember]

feels like i have more freedom to pick defenses

[balmy fable]

assuming damage is scaled down and other defenses are scaled up its fine

[stuck ember]

instead of every build having more or less the same skeleton because you gotta path to ~100-150% life on the tree

[balmy fable]

molten blast looks kinda interesting

[past hearth]

did you have an answer? I built around it and will definitely hand of chayula myself if it's gone

[royal trench]

thoughts on this? / any tree improvements?

https://poe2db.tw/us/passive-skill-tree/AAAABgkDd4hCBaLPdI_W5N8tedke63_qCx49pgTp6a491JFvjNLsRRaqN6Iowfn4JuL98C-O9K_VIPj49Am2vftU-yZhSxcLH9QKy53Tb9NTsNilKFLVrJDe129MIS3jBfvXbg8Ju26QyWn0ImLgXsP7lWbj9JENdmnKfl1oZWBG7-EzE8TYU4vpgWqgVKZyrgOV_oj2itHXWb_MSsueVX0FSGsvyfZjivAg7MyzqEKFjiX9ZoUqOT8BdJGKfJ-JwZLsRHxfnYdvvSLIY4GRwE8TuaTBNg__BxXMaoaT8FVvyoeEtnnVA6YkyTNzX3bIBraczHwAAA==

strength stack, +2 totems, double effect of strength, has lots of pretty powerful nodes like ailment threshold, really good accuracy, hefty unit (stun immune), heatproofing.. etc. i think i got most of the strong nodes around here, did i miss any?

[sleek depot]

Do we know approx. how much spirit we'll have by end game? (Ascendancies/items excluded)

[stable linden]

Where the stormweaver arc archmage manastacker gang at?

[sharp glade]

endgame showcase had 560

[frigid hill]

https://poe2db.tw/us/Hand_of_Chayula

[sharp glade]

and was infernalist so remove 140 from ascendancy

and had a sceptre

[sleek depot]

560???? that's enough for 40 skeleton clerics, lfgg

[past hearth]

ok ty

[sharp glade]

she had about 18 skeletons

go watch the video

mods dont let me post it

[sleek depot]

Gotcha ty <3

[sharp glade]

since its "spoiler"

[stuck ember]

iirc you get 180 base (30 per act), and a sceptre can get you at best around 200, and ascendancy might get you another ~130 from infernalist

[balmy fable]

volcanic fissure is very different now

[stuck ember]

i think every sceptre is 100 base and then you can roll up to 100% inc spirit (local) on a sceptre

[sharp glade]

i dont think we know affixes for sure yet

[sleek depot]

Volatile Dead, Sacrifice, Skeleton Cleric army infernalist is going to go hard af

[stuck ember]

one of the teasers showed an endgame sceptre with like 99% inc spirit on it

[sharp glade]

might not be final

[jaunty burrow]

I've always followed guides in PoE1 and now im gonna be so lost

I'm learning from you guys

[sharp glade]

my minion infernalist is gonna be so squishy

[stuck ember]

looks like it might only go to like 60% inc spirit on a sceptre maybe

hmmge

[sharp glade]

0 recovery mechanism other than flask

0 mitigation

only minion

[stuck ember]

i am all in on ignite flameblast chronomancer

[edgy hollow]

is the "mana guardian" archetype possible in poe 2

[balmy fable]

Poison is 1 stack only now unless youre pf huh

[sleek depot]

This is what PoEDB has for it, spirit and hybrid spirit mods -
Spirit:
+(61–65)% increased Spirit

Hybrid Spirit:
+(35–38)% increased Spirit
+(42–45) to maximum Mana

T1

[frigid hill]

passives on the tree can increase it too, and a support gem

[drifting cedar]

what melee weapon types will be available at early access launch? just maces and quarterstaves?

[stuck ember]

ok so thats maybe 200 then, didnt occur to me there could be hybrid mods

[balmy fable]

ya but 1 stack base like other ailments

[frigid hill]

yea

[stuck ember]

but 200 is gunna be a fuckin primo $$$$$$$ sceptre fr

[haughty root]

Passive tree
||Can you go EB+CI+MoM?||

[sleek depot]

Yeah, why not

[balmy fable]

huh poison vine arrow might be interesting

[cursive cloud]

EB gone

[sleek depot]

lotta travel tho

[haughty root]

idk, seems like it could be cool

[young bear]

Does anybody know what would be the best class for two handed sword berserker like dmg dealer? I'm new I don't know. I saw warrior had 2h hammer sword but I want to use swords. Sorry I'm a noob.

[haughty root]

I'm just looking at the poe2db tree

[sleek depot]

Titan can use swords fine too, he's good for both

[frigid hill]

swords are not in early access yet, sorry

[sharp glade]

1 portal maps are gonna suck so much lol

with how hard it is to get defense

[balmy fable]

huh there's a lot of bow skills now that benefit from having poison chance

[young bear]

@sleek depot It's not only like defensive like and hammer?

Trying to go more Guts style (anime)

[sharp glade]

there are no swords in early access fyi

sry to bust ur dreams

only maces and quarterstaves

[young bear]

Noooooo u sure?

It can't be

[sleek depot]

Not at all! He has an ascendancy point that let's the small nodes on the tree have 50% more effect

And there's lots of dmg

[sharp glade]

100%

[fathom dust]

I assume recoup won't work with zealot's oath right?

[sharp glade]

swords will come with next classes

[young bear]

Wait so in the whole game there is no 2 h swords or just no build specific stuff @sharp glade ?

[sharp glade]

no sword items will drop

[frigid hill]

they will add swords later

[balmy fable]

iirc all the classes and ascendancies are supposed to be int he game in the next year so

[terse cape]

i was wondering if this would boost too attributes node?

[balmy fable]

id expect swords in 6 months or so?

[stuck ember]

every weapon type has skills specific to it

no sword skills = no swords

YET

[sharp glade]

its gonna be so funny when all the poe tourists realise how much content EA is missing xDDDDD

[young bear]

Wait so no normal 1 h swords dual wielding? Etc

[balmy fable]

huh herald of agony now spreads poisons

[balmy fable]

eh its still got a fuckton of content

[stuck ember]

eh we'll get duelist sooner rather than later i think

[balmy fable]

if people are dissappointed that an EA has less content than a full release, idk what to tell them lmao

[jaunty burrow]

I don't mind that at all, I'm so lost i got no clue on what to build

[balmy fable]

this is still a full games worth of content anyhow

[jaunty burrow]

the less options the better for me

[sharp glade]

i have seen the "no swords" misunderstanding so many times yet

[sleek depot]

Yeah, they're small too

[young bear]

It's popular fantasy I guess. Thanks guys

[sharp glade]

wait whaaaat I thought poe 2 had no flat scaling???

oh attack only

[stuck ember]

attack flat scaling yes

[balmy fable]

theyll arrive soon, dont worry

[warped jackal]

Did they remove EB or not?

[stuck ember]

it should be there

[sharp glade]

OOOOOOOF

[edgy hollow]

is there anyway to scale es with mana stacking

[balmy fable]

we dont know

[edgy hollow]

or other mana stacking mechanics

k thanks

[warped jackal]

but it would be op with MOM and CI right?

[balmy fable]

in poe1 that was done with uniques i think?

[stuck ember]

idk i havent thought about it. seems like putting all your eggs in one basket defensively

i am not clicking any of those 3 nodes on my first char xdd

like i think generally MoM is going to be hard to solve mana sustain

50% reduced recovery rate is mean

[warped jackal]

Yea but i like the idea of those in combination with chonk and the instant mana leech

[stuck ember]

yeah thats a build

[vale burrow]

i got plans for a non-mom mana stacking chonk with impending doom archmage and mana tempest ^^

[warped jackal]

what are you going for?

[stuck ember]

flameblast chronomancer

cast on ignite and solar orb type shit

[warped jackal]

Ngl, that sounds hella fun

[young bear]

Anybody got a good site for builds? Just trying to get an idea of the skills I can choose, and what are my options. Now that I can't go like 2h sword I'm thinking 2h heavy dmg mace skill maybe?

[stuck ember]

every content creator is dunking on chrono but im coping that its actually good

[balmy fable]

there are none yet, but you can look through the database at the new skills

https://poe2db.tw/us/Skill_Gems

[stuck ember]

in path of "dont die" 2

[balmy fable]

Itll be niche but good for breaking the game probably

[sleek depot]

There's no good site for PoE 2 builds right now unfort but there's yt vids and such with some suggestions

[young bear]

Thanks Aaron

[stuck ember]

now and again with blink = big speedge

[compact atlas]

How much armour does a build generally need?

[warped jackal]

yea same with chonk.. so they both S tiers

[visual roost]

Is this a not datamined passive small node that we choose or is it one we cannot select?

[stuck ember]

that is a jewel socket

jewel sockets are just on the highway now

little speedbumps

[visual roost]

So we can select it and it doesnt cost anything or it still costs 1?

[covert rain]

What does "magnitude of" mean?

[stuck ember]

should still cost 1

but you put a jewel in there

[visual roost]

What is it?

[stuck ember]

have you played poe1 or nah

[sharp glade]

use the poe2db tree

[autumn knoll]

Need help checking the wording here, does this mean it treat any enemies inside the cloud as being poison not just Chaos Dot. and if this is the case, I don't need poison chance right?

[sharp glade]

its full

[magic maple]

https://poe2db.tw/us/passive-skill-tree

[frigid hill]

that's my impression as well yea

[elder osprey]

man - you’d ruin yourself a lot of fun, if you‘d jump in with a build-guide. be happy, that there are none yet

[visual roost]

No

[autumn knoll]

another thing I'm not sure is if this can utilize the stacking poison count

[stuck ember]

any content creator earnestly trying to sell you on a build right now is baiting you 100000%

[sleek depot]

Yeah the fun is in exploration, I was just replying to someones earlier remark ahha

[stuck ember]

basically jewel sockets are passives you can put items into, items like this one

[frigid hill]

that I do not know. keep in mind it's not clear how you get this skill. I think it's from an unique

[stuck ember]

and you gain the effects listed on the jewel

[autumn knoll]

oooooh

good to know

[balmy fable]

i might unironically go meatball bleed

[eternal pilot]

I think giants blood is dead now when its nerfed, I cant imagine getting tripple stats

[strange ivy]

does any ascendency looks good for a EA Totem build ?

[fast slate]

:0

[stuck ember]

oooooooooo

[sleek depot]

Anyone plan on playing a singer barb? Resurrect the old D2 build, seems like it could be fun af

[warped jackal]

https://poe2skills.com/share?data=N4IgdghgtgpiBcIByMDuACAQgVwJYBsATEAGhACM8iEBtUAZwGsD8ERCIAnR9GAMz64A5gE9SIetgAOUgPacALvVoBdAL4kGzfK0QALCGELpZfdAGMDI7PgjjJM+UtogIhQjGOWIs+ug5QEEJwZObynL64smDilJz0CrhgQuhStkLYcOqaEtq6IAowUFIwCejkMDr20nKKyvA02VosbGFgCkFRMWQOtc4NTbktiOS29FJ6RWI9NU71NOww5hAiSSmTAB4gg0zDi+MQuJzVjnWqGs1V8GA2+DOn-Y0XQ1c3Ovd98zt5CG93ErMzgM1OogA

Someone down to give a quick glance? its not finished but i want to know if i am on the right path. For a chonk build btw

[stuck ember]

my favourite niche support gem from poe1 made it in ❤️

seems good to bypass the downside of whispers of doom as well

[fast slate]

:0

[balmy fable]

so many crossbow ammo skills

[delicate fern]

impending doom pf login

[balmy fable]

You can play grenades on anybody huh

[stuck ember]

they did beat the shit out of blasphemy though

that got nerfed real hard LOL

[warped jackal]

holy, this is a good one. I will steal this ^^

[frigid hill]

60 spirit is a bit harsh yea

still fine i think

[stuck ember]

60 spirit and 50-40% reduced effect of curses

xd

[frigid hill]

oh fuck did not see that LMAO

[delicate fern]

to be fair it was warranted

[fast slate]

ew

[stuck ember]

yeah

i was gunna double blasphemy it up before i saw those changes

[frigid hill]

hexblast lookin a lot less tasty

[visual roost]

@stuck ember its for a blood mage, its for my first poe. Trying to understand by myself without looking at other people builds ahah

[balmy fable]

im like

[balmy fable]

half considering starting bloody meatballs @frigid hill

it looks kinda bad but absolutely hilarious

its that or something with grenades

[frigid hill]

hell yea do it

[balmy fable]

im a bit worried about bleed scaling as well tbh

after reading supports etc

and getting enough bleed chance etc

[frigid hill]

yea its not gonna be good but it sounds fun

[ornate basalt]

Is there a build planner tool yet that’s usable on phones?

[stuck ember]

i see the vision

[crude fiber]

i gonna choise cold monk so its psy bc melee right but magic bc cold so on what i should focus?

[balmy fable]

also clear without bleed pops is going to be rough

[warped jackal]

On which skill would you use this one? Or does that not matter a lot?

[delicate fern]

yoooo time to cook some mana stack id poison pf

[balmy fable]

tbh the poison bow skills look amazing as well

[compact atlas]

How bad of an idea is to go spell caster Invoker?

[balmy fable]

skills getting buffed by being poisoned looks nice

[delicate fern]

doesnt matter

[frigid hill]

ya vry synergistic

[balmy fable]

nah not at all

monk stuff and grenades also looking nice

there's too much shit to choose from LMAO

Part of me wants to go a cluster grenade chayula monk

[visual roost]

What do you think?

[fast slate]

I've been looking for a reason to play chonk and I think chaos bolt did it for me

[fathom dust]

Does recoup work with zealot's oath?

[royal trench]

skadoosh

[balmy fable]

i wonder how long the campaign will be atm

[stuck ember]

kinda hard to follow in that treeviewer but i see the thought process for blood mage cold crit spellcaster? seems decent but tbh its very very hard to evaluate anything right now

[balmy fable]

i want to play every ascendancy LMAO

[delicate fern]

this procs when the curse is removed, if we still have the poe1 interaction between a curse + cursed ground + spell cascade you immeadiately remove and reapply the curse each cast

[royal trench]

do totems get benefits from heralds?

[crude fiber]

Monk > cold setup > is it need melee dmg bc he is melee?

[frigid hill]

u can do melee, ranged or spells with cold

[sleek depot]

Skeleton clerics can revive eachother ye?

[crude fiber]

nvm will figure it out will try boost my cold nodes and skip psych

[stuck ember]

note the slightly different language from poe1

when a supported curse ends in poe1, when a supported curse expires in poe2

i dont think you will be able to do funky cancellation stuff every 0.12s in poe2 with that description for impending doom

sounds like it will only go off if the curse runs out its natural duration

[unkempt heath]

Does this mean that all enemies near the hellhound will receive ignite no matter what? Or does it somehow need to ramp up to a certain treshold before it works etc?

[snow sierra]

No Life notes feels so strange, like is life even a viable defense or just there

[lofty flame]

instant ignite

[stuck ember]

rf on a doggy

[unkempt heath]

So infernalist is guardian 2.0? 😄

[lofty flame]

but guardian tanky af

[stuck ember]

or yeah guardianstatue

[subtle lichen]

do we know if u use a sustain/long duration skill (example fire) and switch weapon set, do it retain the previous weapon set passive effect?

[frigid hill]

yes, it snapshots

[stuck ember]

afaik skills use the weaponstats used when initially paid for

[unkempt heath]

Behold - Chaos innoculation Infernalist maxing dogo, ignite and fire exposure while dedicating all other skills to survivability

[orchid current]

How easy do y'all think Crit is to get

[stuck ember]

if youre doing a channeled ability i think it would change its stats when you weaponswap though

[subtle lichen]

i thought weapon swap is an action itself, which stop any other action?

[lofty flame]

tbh infernalist wont be the strongest, titan / bloodmage / gemling will be the strongest

but... play what u love i guess

[sleek depot]

Wouldn't it cancel the channel?

[stuck ember]

idk maybe

probably

[delicate fern]

yeah it's possible that is the case... i wonder if there is a way to make id proc super fast

[lofty flame]

weapon swap = auto, triggers when you use skills

[delicate fern]

maybe reduce curse duration? will have to check how low we can get it to

[unkempt heath]

I am not looking for the strongest tbh - infernalist has insane aesthetics, the doggo and i never built ignite in poe1 so there's sooo many things to try

[lofty flame]

minion is my first build in poe1, but never min max, and never reach mapping with minion. now is my revenge time

i want to min max minion

[stuck ember]

chronomancer

[lapis plume]

Archmage with MoM seems promising

[lofty flame]

chronomancer is cool, but not that good imo

[lofty flame]

what is MoM

[lapis plume]

hehe

Mind over matter

[orchid current]

I honestly hate the idea of gemling being Uber strong because the ascendacy mechanics are so lame

Wow we just Giga juice the gems

[stuck ember]

consider the humble crystal staff base

[orchid current]

Wait unleash is it's own skill now?

[lofty flame]

ohhh i get what u mean... like 650% of 0 cooldown = 0

[warped jackal]

Does killer instict node works with CI and MoM?

[stuck ember]

unleash is apparently a support but also its own skill tied to that specific staff base

[orchid current]

Wait I read that wrong nvm

You cast unleash to then give your next spell 2 casts

[sleek depot]

This should be a solid Fireball/SRS Infernalist build, any suggestions on what to change (If anything)?

https://poe2skills.com/share?data=N4IgdghgtgpiBcIBiBJASgUQLIEEByAwhmiADQgBGArgJYA2AJggNqgDOA1vXQiAGY0ATjAoQ6PcmyoAHaQHtBAFzYsQUKnUU1pdGAAJpguQCsYAYy26V5AcL1QIbRTEEBPMiDNywio+JgMegwwToJUFjTeHjQA5mA0WlE2QvowAB7yUsIgALoAvqTsXOK8ghAxNGAxemzSQgnWIFKyCsqqlXwukHR6uhVJapWRYHqVThAU9AnuyS6uQTAQigAWHiFsMGBm+ssQggBuIYoetvrSmzC+S8O5BUXcvDGCNFB6nY7HkjLySirwzCBDOYaGwbuQzHQ9tMPPsEmJoeRli5RHQQVAPGYIGB4ii0bdCk1ijxEHxIVAHJNUYoZk1vq0-gCkbFls4wAE9GYqIINh4kWk9BQ6HI5OjyM9FFR4U4aGYOVyeTY5JyNoFOdy4OQxnUyokwPj7iVENIIJU9HI+J1nlUPM0fm1-moFPoGFzrgM9oszXw9DALeZjvkCZwHogyiD9AAvEWTDW0lq-VTSZauUGYnoOJxzDwUMKKeHUjywXRnZOpsRBaDlWMQuQbDnRpYeVGdXowcyrQMG4mEmC6PM9PZsbwgz5xu0MkD7OT+Gm9mCwHzlvhKqiNF5QadLWMQBjBQKnCsOGKxvgfFx6JZ5swcFSdwkhnt98sQlwym10hMOyFOPQxRzSG1znEH0zGWOQTjPQQOQ+SoYjWXQF37C9BCgdw72DQ1KEqQJan9bIvnje0ASgIZvHsSCaTKKp2S8KBRADPJ8iAA

[edgy hollow]

do we know the base timer for recoup effects

[stuck ember]

and then it puts unleash on like a fuckass long cooldown

unless youre a chronomancer

[unkempt heath]

I think spectres are unavailable on launch

[frigid hill]

8

[warped jackal]

Since my max life will be 1 bcs of CI

[sleek depot]

Fuckk really? Not a biggie ig

[fast slate]

so many optionssss

[edgy hollow]

ok definitly going chrono then. thanks

[sleek depot]

Damn, thx not a big deal tho

[unkempt heath]

you're always full life on CI, i think

[sleek depot]

Correct

[stuck ember]

1/1 = 100%

[livid hamlet]

you will always be on full life with CI

[warped jackal]

oh yea thats right, but 30% is still not bad? or should i skip this

[unkempt heath]

I wonder how impactful the 20% phys to chaos would be with CI on infernalist

[livid hamlet]

well not always, but if you won't you will have other problems than lack of damage increase

[lofty flame]

why use zombie?

[livid hamlet]

[stuck ember]

seems ok but not crazy

[livid hamlet]

possibly very

[sleek depot]

For tanking, skele clerics revive them/heal them

[lofty flame]

well without cleric all minion will revive too right

[fast slate]

should I play ranger, chonk or sorc? somebody choose

[pale anchor]

bind spectre no in ea

[sleek depot]

yeahhh, didn't know that unfort; appreciate it tho!

[livid hamlet]

In PoE1 physical damage was the most dangerous kind for casters since there wasn't lots of phys mitigation options available.
20% of phys to chaos with CI means just outright 20% reduction in phys damage taken so it's very strong

[sleek depot]

No, zombies are not reviving minions

[lofty flame]

if u want my honest opinion, no zombie and cleric. straight all arsonist 🙂

[sleek depot]

Lol, what skills would you use in lieu of them?

[unkempt heath]

Yeah, but i think it strongly depends on how well we can convert other dmg types to, say, fire

To just stack 1 res and survive with 1 life

[sleek depot]

I'll be spam casting fireballs/flammability so I figured more passive skills would be ideal

[orchid current]

I wonder how much resist gear will have, considering we can get perma res bonuses in campaign

[lofty flame]

anyway, is there any chance to see spectre's status?

[livid hamlet]

You probably won't be able to convert everything to fire

[lofty flame]

like hp, damage, etc

[unkempt heath]

Building chaos innculation character sounds like a super hard thing

[livid hamlet]

they don't like that

[orchid current]

Heck I wonder if we'll get kitavas curse equivalent at all

[livid hamlet]

still 20% of phys to chaos is very strong

[unkempt heath]

was cloak of flames confirmed in poe2? I think i saw it in one of the trailers

[lofty flame]

why is it strong?

[sleek depot]

Yes

[lofty flame]

it's just 20%

[snow sierra]

Will EB be in the game or not ? Do we have any info on that ?

[lofty flame]

yes afaik

[unkempt heath]

it's 20% less, in general that's very strong, though you need chaos innoculation or super high chaos ress

[warped jackal]

I think i have the lack of aoe damage with my build.. any skill that works with curse/chaos?

[unkempt heath]

that's why i am wondering if its worth

[orchid current]

Just 20% of the hardest to mitigate and most common damage type

[livid hamlet]

because there's no physical resistance modifier like there is for chaos and thus physical damage is very dangerous for casters that can't access armor and other physical reduction avenues usually

but they can get chaos res from gear

[orchid current]

I wonder if Poe 2 armor calcs are the same

[lofty flame]

but we get armor right from gear?

oh i get what u mean, caster armor not giving armor

[stuck ember]

speaking of chaos res do we know if chaos res gets -10% per act like the ele res do

they nerfed the chaos res values from poe1 lol

[livid hamlet]

probably yes

[sleek depot]

CoTB has 100% lightning to cold conversion.... wtf

[orchid current]

Armor also has an awkward formula where it's great against small hits but useless against big ones

[unkempt heath]

This + infernalist node means 60% phys converted (if additive) and 20% ele converted to fire from 1 node + chest piece

[snow sierra]

This + Infernalist node would be sick

[orchid current]

Also what happened to docketing skills into items, did they get rid of that

[sleek depot]

Cloak of flame will be expensive AF in HC....

gg

[stuck ember]

my precious 17-23% amethyst💔

[sleek depot]

Use breach rings with +50% quality with chaos/resistance mods ez

[livid hamlet]

Breach sounds so juicy for witch hunter honestly

20% of chance of pops

[snow sierra]

EB+MoM sounds kinda cool or am i missing something here ?

[livid hamlet]

pops for days

[orchid current]

Are breach mobs demons?

[autumn jungle]

what ascendency do you think would be best for a solar orb/fire spells build kind of thing? stormweaver seems focused on lightning/cold, blood mage and chronomancer i have no idea how it could be used to build synergies? am I missing something?

[balmy fable]

i think so yeah

[orchid current]

Honestly probably infernalist or just stormcaller

[warped jackal]

im running that too with CI and instant mana leech..

[unkempt heath]

Probably anything that scales spell power - infernalist demon form sounds good but its bugged at start

[ionic lynx]

yeah the fact that eb is disabled

[orchid current]

As long as you avoid the cold or lightning nodes

[stuck ember]

im doing chronomancer personally but infernalist also could be done

[sleek depot]

Avoid demon form tbh but infernalist is the call

I know a lot of people are running ignite titans too

[snow sierra]

dosnt seem that way anymore

[orchid current]

Side note why did they make mom protect all your life

Seems kinda stinky

[sleek depot]

Makes more sense thematically

[stuck ember]

more interesting but harder to build around ig

[floral oxide]

Is it possible to scale Infernalist with Fire spells from other classes in later game phases?

[livid hamlet]

i kinda hope they are

[autumn jungle]

hmm anything fun to be expected with a chronomancer in a setup like that?

[unkempt heath]

all classes can use all skills

[livid hamlet]

All spells outside of ascendancy ones are available for all classes

[orchid current]

Chronomancer does not look like it has legs I'm ngl

[snow sierra]

as a attack build i assume i didnt see any elemental mana leech

[stuck ember]

my feeling is chronomancer is goated for being allowed to actually fullchannel a flameblast consistently, and theres a few cooldowns i want to use

[livid hamlet]

I feel like we should pin this thing in every place where people talk about PoE now

because lots of people from Diablo come here

[stuck ember]

thats my thought process anyway

[floral oxide]

Right!? So I could go for Infernalist as the name suggests. Big flames build.

[livid hamlet]

And all the 20 people that play Last Epoch are also coming

[snow sierra]

I going Minion Chronomancer and just see if i hit a wall and how hard xD

[livid hamlet]

But they know about PoE already

[autumn jungle]

i see

[warped jackal]

Yes thats correct. i have this so far if u interested: https://poe2skills.com/share?data=N4IgdghgtgpiBcIByMDuACAQgVwJYBsATEAGhACM8iEBtUAZwGsD8ERCIAnR9GAMz64A5gE9SIetgAOUgPacALvVoBdAL4kGzfK0QALCGELpZfdAGMDI7PgjjJM+Utohz8zrPq5ZYcZU70CrhgQuhStkLYcOqaEtq6IAowUFIwgejkMDr20nKKyvA0MVosbG5gChBC3r5kDnnOhSC4KTBGwaGEsrJQIMVxpYjktvRSeslidblOBTTsMOYQIh3o4wAe4hCEhDDGlhCe6BxQVdEaJdmIO6MQuJw5jvku6xn43b39TIMg68MQgQ8GrNPvE2AA3GxgGCcCDkAi4BSTCTTJ6FEHfNL0NrmGBHGHBQEzVRqdRAA

https://poe2db.tw/us/passive-skill-tree/AAAABgoDdEYDj7QFQ8OyLfsCmGS1SYoofNguQ2DSyHdbEGum8O0NByKYfeFuIajeZ4UK5_C1FnkDrr3gogWZegazXrbj5-IL0RTCl0ylMswelGedmUBzj859CY8f9NXv63FRuo_cHe_bVeAMsyeTtdrXbX62GpAUQuKmOG6tVYo0aIrnTmacWLawN7R1e8yyhmbbDDhKO1i5uhPP195Sw8kifzcCGVqirSiO3xbyz-jT4KlyONl0jDhvO7xGPmf2CFNYwESFeBA9XLqG2LAe4pLchZM7pv5CwC1U2u3vDCMPCFq2DMzm5BMDWgvhSygAAA==

[teal sluice]

Just wondering if I go acolyte monk. If I went for the crit wild strike thing do I have to build like a spellcaster or melee or hybrid?

[unkempt heath]

Yeah, for sure - though in PoE in general, just because something thematicaly fits doesn't mean it's the best for that thing

[orchid current]

Ngl chronomancer only seems good if you want to abuse cooldown reset

[stuck ember]

idk. my feeling is that in poe2 a lot less power comes from ascendancy/gems and a lot more comes from gear, im happy to give up like ~40% more damage from an ascendancy if it means i get some really powerful defensive tools

and since this game is all about never ever ever dying

even in softcore

[sleek depot]

Wait... tabula has 6 rune sockets, it's a lego armour suit

[stuck ember]

full defence ascendancy = seems decent

[autumn jungle]

different question then, what scenarios would a blood mage be good at? do we know if there'll be physical spells like there were in poe2 (exsanguinate/blade fall/other thingies like that) poe2skills.com doesn't list a lot of them

[snow sierra]

why ? the slow seems good, the timestop seems fun, and the rollback could be nice if the cd is low enough ?

[cedar river]

I've been consdering Deadeye crossbow. Rue made a video on it now that sums it up beautifully. Seems very strong https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a5GSj58XGmE

[jaunty burrow]

I'll prob go that one too!

[stuck ember]

rollback cd is 7s 👍

[unkempt heath]

Insanely high hp pool and built in tankiness, high crit chance, and aside from that you do whatever

[sleek depot]

Gl bossing w a deadeye tho; you get 1 try each boss

[snow sierra]

Thats sounds very nice

[orchid current]

Just don't get hit smh

[floral oxide]

Good point. As a new player with little clue about cross class spells usage (not even considering passive tree), I could only theorycraft on a high level. But man, am I hyped!?

[teal sluice]

I haven't looked at any skills yet. Do you know if we can build like kinda melee spellbro ?

[sleek depot]

Monk

[orchid current]

Being able to kite and shoot will help though

[livid hamlet]

if you want that invoker will probably better

[unkempt heath]

Same brother 😄 Though i did play PoE1 a bit

[cedar river]

Takes a second to build up full stack of Tailwind with rapid shot

[jaunty burrow]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Bb2_Ioh1J5E i saw this video and i was sold pretty much

[snow sierra]

I going nobody moves here minion chronomancer with temp chains and see how it works out^^

[orchid current]

Chat is witch hunter insane for bossing or what

[jaunty burrow]

I wanted a melee build tho, didnt find anything

[warped jackal]

where did u get the 20% phys to chaos? is there a node or something?

[jaunty burrow]

I don't trust myself to go with no guide

[teal sluice]

Is invoker the meditate one?

[sleek depot]

Anyone plan on doing 6 man chronomancer timestop rotations?

[stuck ember]

chrono apex of the moment + blasphemy temp chains = ez game

[orchid current]

Sucks that cull is 5% on unique mobs but still

[jaunty burrow]

I need some guidance even if its not much

[livid hamlet]

i will be using archmage to scale damage a lot and then use blood mage to have lightning damage proc bleed for massive bleed damage

[floral oxide]

Which db are up to date enough to check out Passive trees/Skills/Support etc?

[teal sluice]

Isn't this video about chonk?

[livid hamlet]

i mean you wouldn't take meditate node, but yes

[sleek depot]

https://poe2db.tw/

[snow sierra]

my thoughts exactly combined with time stop seems like a good deal to me

[teal sluice]

Yeah yeah

[floral oxide]

Ty

[orchid current]

Why does meditate exist 😭

[autumn jungle]

think something like ignite -> bleed could be viable on it?

[sleek depot]

For tankiness? lol

[livid hamlet]

They probably needed 8th node

[livid hamlet]

you can't proc bleed of ignite

[sleek depot]

downtime between boss phase meditate will be OP tho

[livid hamlet]

you can proc bleed of fire damage with blood mage tho

[autumn jungle]

oh it's the elemental damage not the ailments themselves

[stuck ember]

being able to double your energy shield past its maximum seems decent especially hwen you can just do it on command lol

[floral oxide]

Guys, the Lingo in POE is so new. Effects, buffs and debuffs! Where can I learn before EA?

[orchid current]

The evasion scales phys Dr node on invoker seems quite good though, but I don't understand the maths

[unkempt heath]

I think you can only increase bleed magnitude, not start it? Or am i funky on the wording

[livid hamlet]

the question is how reliable it will be when forcing you to stay still

[teal sluice]

I now realize I said acolyte when I meant invoker

[jaunty burrow]

idk what chonk is unfortunately, but it says acolyte monk in the title 😭 I'm just looking for something that seems fun too play, the good players will discover the meta in a few weeks i hope

oh haha

[stuck ember]

chayula monk = chonk

[jaunty burrow]

that makes sense

[orchid current]

Acolyte of chayula monk

[teal sluice]

I just saw the invoker wild strike thing and idk if I have to make a full spellcaster to make use of it

[snow sierra]

seems to be the big rage chonk and archemage stuff

[floral oxide]

Oh lord, he chonks!

[livid hamlet]

i mean you also get extra phys damage from that node, so then you just have phys trigger it and elemental actually scale it

[teal sluice]

Or if I make it a hybrid like melee + spel

[unkempt heath]

oh right, that's true

[orchid current]

Damage auras like hatred are gone right

[livid hamlet]

But the funky wording is GGG staple, so if something sounds like a very complicated way to word a simple concept it probably means that concept

[orchid current]

Interested to see what I can reserve with spirit

[livid hamlet]

so i will assume that elemental damage contribute to bleed magnitude

[sleek depot]

To be honest, chatGpt lol

[unkempt heath]

Do we know what type of damage does the demon transformation from infernalist deal?

[floral oxide]

That's actually not a bad idea.

[unkempt heath]

The wording is 'lose 0,5% life'

[livid hamlet]

just means

1. that you can bleed with elemental damage
2. GGG has a hard on for pseudocode wording in their game which is known

[sterile latch]

that blasphemy nerf holy

[livid hamlet]

that means it just happens

[unkempt heath]

So you cannot prevent/reduce it, only regen?>

[stuck ember]

that just means its not considered damage, it wont have a type, same as when you have blood magic and use life to pay a manacost, that manacost doesnt have a "damage type" either

[livid hamlet]

I believe so yes

[whole frigate]

what skill is this?

[stuck ember]

you will just degen

cast on shock

p sure

ye

[livid hamlet]

it also won't proc cast on damage taken , since you don't actually take damage

[whole frigate]

thx

rdy to go then my build is done

[unkempt heath]

And how will it work with CI? Can't cast it since the possesion stops when you reach 1 life?

What the hell is that xD

[livid hamlet]

that's actually a good point

[stuck ember]

yeah you cant use demon form with ci

[livid hamlet]

by the wording it's implied that Demon form won't be available to CI enjoyers

they might adjust it later

[stuck ember]

now.... MAYBE if you had overflowed life and were at 2/1 life

idk if that works

[snow sierra]

Infernalist is kinda strange how dos MoM Interact with Pyromantic pact for example ? dos it even do anything

[orchid current]

Who else is going to be trying out every skill they can even if it's from poe1

[unkempt heath]

that would be a little messed up - If you're going CI, you already lose 3/11 nodes from infernalist. Now you lose 2 more? So CI makes 5/11 nodes unpickable, while being the best synergy for one of it's nodes?

[livid hamlet]

it should as long as you have under 100 demonflame and can keep up the overflow

[orchid current]

You don't have to use ci

You can just have 75 chaos res

[unkempt heath]

You're right, but that's less fun

[livid hamlet]

wait what nodes do you lose as CI

outside of demon form ?

[snow sierra]

the life reserve notes

[livid hamlet]

Oh right

[hoary bolt]

man how the hell do you actually generate power charges

[unkempt heath]

almost all on the picture

[hoary bolt]

all PC gen got giga nerfed before game even came out

[livid hamlet]

possibly via active management

[sleek depot]

Is there no means of creating corpses?

[livid hamlet]

they are very clear in their intent of having to actively get buffs , so to get power charges you will probably have to work for it in game

[stuck ember]

if you need "corpses" in a bossfight you probably want to use

[compact atlas]

Are chain hits from Arc count separately for "10% chance to gain Arcane surge on Critical hit."?

[hoary bolt]

yeah let me attack once to shock, then swap skills to attack with siphoning strike, SIX TIMES

[snow sierra]

Do we know if Interfernal flame still counts as mana ? could i play MoM and "heal" me with casting using something like archemage to generate alot of "mana"

[stuck ember]

0% chance

[sleek depot]

Yeah, just wanted to avoid using it haha; thx :)

[orchid current]

Charges seems like builder spender now that they don't inherently provide bonuses

[livid hamlet]

they should be

since it hits multiple times

[stuck ember]

pyromantic pact and Mind over matter will have zero synergy

[hoary bolt]

of course theyre builder spender

but the building seems so giga cancer now

[orchid current]

We will see

[unkempt heath]

Btw, since multiple instances of ignite don't stack, as long as youre using hellhound for ignites, pyromantic pact and it's nodes are pretty useless, right?

[simple tundra]

They removed power offering hey?

[snow sierra]

so basicly another big Note Infernalist just turns off...i am starting to hate this acendency more and more

[hoary bolt]

yes lol

and harmonic generator

[simple tundra]

I'm sad lol I was going to go zombies

[sleek depot]

What do y'all think the best CoMD skill would be for infernalist? Firestorm, Solar Orb, Ember Fusillade...

[hoary bolt]

and lighning storm so you cant alternate shocks on siphoning strike

[orchid current]

I wouldn't exactly expect EA to have perfect balance on everything lmao

[livid hamlet]

they are not, since the strongest ignite always take precence

[sharp glade]

hellhound ignite probably will be low if you are not investing in minion life

[unkempt heath]

I am probably doing firestorm to consume ignite and instantly reapply it from hellhound

[hoary bolt]

power offering gone, harmonic generator gone, lightning storm for siphoning strike gone

[livid hamlet]

so depending on the hellhound ignite values

[orchid current]

Man I'm still indecisive on starting witch hunter or invoker

[sleek depot]

That's about what I figured thx :)

[unkempt heath]

Well that's what i am going to scale xD I have no clue how to get a higher ignite than that

[hoary bolt]

legit zero ways of consistent charges on bosses

[sharp glade]

its 20% of its life

[livid hamlet]

it possibly will be very weak and used only for trigger

[sharp glade]

scaling your own dmg? lol

you can also get magnitiude of ignite on tree

for your own ignite

[snow sierra]

depents on how high the hellhound hp can go

[sharp glade]

its on poe2db

[unkempt heath]

Doesn't that also affect minion ignite?

[simple tundra]

Can we scale minion ignite magnitude

[sharp glade]

its says ignite YOU inflict

[unkempt heath]

oooh

[sharp glade]

lol ppl are so clueless

[outer abyss]

what do you guys think of titan totem build ?

[unkempt heath]

so if there were a node 'ignites deal damage x% faster' that would be for all?

[sharp glade]

so many ppl are gonna brick their build

[sharp glade]

they say ignites YOU inflict deal % faster

on the tree

[livid hamlet]

it's a complicated game

[sleek depot]

Why not warbringer?

[floral oxide]

Especially for fresh PoE players.

[livid hamlet]

no need to be an A-hole to new players

[hoary bolt]

like I would be perfectly fine with the power charge consuming skills literally did half damage, I just want to you know, use the skills?

[snow sierra]

cant find the base hp for hellhound :/

[unkempt heath]

brother cmon

[late osprey]

do passives like "gain x% of damage as extra x damage type" go with the same rules as conversion, eg i only get flat dmg and not the final amount of my total dmg?

[sharp glade]

its stil la stat that applies to you

[outer abyss]

not too sure really, titan just seems safe and tankier, you recommend warbringer? @sleek depot

[sharp glade]

not minions

[simple tundra]

What about slow burn? 20% ignite duration on enemies. Doesn't mention ignites you inflict.

[sharp glade]

if it doesnt say minions it doesnt scale minions

[simple tundra]

Or is it implicit because it's you're passive tree

[sharp glade]

its basic poe

[warped jackal]

So what? just start over and have fun again..

[livid hamlet]

we had this discussion multiple times and the current consensus is that in PoE 1 you get extra damage before increases , but we don't know here

[livid hamlet]

you wildly overestimate what basic poe means

to multiple people who never played this game

[late osprey]

oh wait in poe 1 you get extra before increases?

[snow sierra]

ye if it dosnt say minions it normal dos not work on minions

[orchid current]

Converted damage doesn't remember previous types in Poe 2, but as extra is interesting

[sleek depot]

Warbringer will be tanky as fuck, likely moreso than titan;
20% of dmg taken is directed to the nearest totem
40% block on shield (regardless of base shield value)
Can block dmg even if shield isn't raised
Super solid tanky class for totems tbh

[storm nimbus]

any smart guy who can help me figure out if there is a way to trigger Cold snap when im casting frostbolts 🙂 ?

[sleek depot]

Titan can for sure work tho

[livid hamlet]

imma reiterate, please stop being an ahole to new joiners, if not for basic common decency , then to not discourage people to play this game since having more players is beneficial to both GGG and us

[livid hamlet]

i believe so

actually it's more complicated than the

in PoE there's something called conversion chain

[outer abyss]

ooo i do like that sound of that, only thing im affraid with that is i feel the totems will be super squishy

[stuck ember]

my intuition is that, in poe2, 100 damage base cold hit, with 900% inc damage = 1000 cold damage hit, then if you got 50% of damage as extra fire damage, you would get 1000 cold damage, 50 fire damage. but not 100% sure

[teal sluice]

Invoker build pls

[unkempt heath]

I mean, i am not even a new player, i have like 300 hours in PoE, i just never used ignite xD

[livid hamlet]

so increases and things like that happen per stage of the conversion chain

[rough kelp]

the 15% crit spell chance in bloodmage ascendency do it add 15% crit to all spells? or do it change their base to 15

[sleek depot]

Think about this though, you'll have multiple totems (the only cap is your max spirit)
So unless EVERY totem dies, you'll still get the 20% dmg redirect

[sharp glade]

change base

[rough kelp]

thanks

[livid hamlet]

so gain %phys as fire will calculate before fire increases but after phys increases

[outer abyss]

true true how many totems can you have up at one time?

[snow sierra]

is there any info on Life Remnants working or not working with minions ? There was a video of offical poe where it did work so its abit confusing

[sharp glade]

from the looks of it, it seems SRS has so many scaling support gems

[livid hamlet]

They've done away with converted increases working in PoE2

so we don't know how they will implement extra damage calculations

[sleek depot]

You get one totem for every 100 max spirit with Ancestral Bond allocated

Go wild with it brother

[late osprey]

isnt it the exact opposite of what you said before or is it just me not being able to read and understand basic wording correctly haha

[random summit]

for the bloodmage bleeding node, the spell/attack still needs a physical component even if it has bleeding chance to actually bleed right?

[outer abyss]

oh nice nice, what will you be playing?

[livid hamlet]

that's how it works in PoE1, you increases phys than gain phys as fire then increase fire

[distant glade]

If you have the node it will have physical dmg

[late osprey]

oh i see i didn't specify when i asked

[warped jackal]

Anyone want to help me with the skills? I feel like i miss something, but i am not sure what... so idea is curse/chaos chonk with MoM, IC and EB.
Would appreciate if someone has the time
https://poe2skills.com/share?data=N4IgdghgtgpiBcIByMDuACAQgVwJYBsATEAGhACM8iEBtUAZwGsD8ERCIAnR9GAMz64A5gE9SIetgAOUgPacALvVoBdAL4kGzfK0QALCGELpZfdAGMDI7PgjjJM+Utohz8zrPq5ZYcZU70CrhgQuhStkLYcOqaEtq6IAowUFIwgejkMDr20nKKyvA0MVosbG5gChBC3r5kDnnOhSC4KTBGwaGEsrJQIMVxpYjktvRSeslidblOBTTsMOYQIh3o4wAe4hCEhDDGlhCe6BxQVdEaJdmIO6MQuJw5jvku6xn43b39TIMg68MQgQ8GrNPvE2AA3GxgGCcCDkAi4BSTCTTJ6FEHfNL0NrmGBHGHBQEzVRqdRAA

[snow sierra]

The notes gives you a physical component tho

[late osprey]

yeah that's what i meant

[random summit]

shi im stupid

[livid hamlet]

We don't know how it works in PoE2

for now it somewhatish of safe bet to assume that it works like in PoE1

so extra damage is gained before increases

[sleek depot]

Unless I can make a viable singer barb build with Warbringer (Old D2 Build), I'll be playing Popcorn SRS Infernalist lol

[livid hamlet]

but there's no conversion chain anymore like in PoE1

so if you convert 100% of phys to fire increases to phys won't matter

[distant glade]

I can’t decide what to play :/

[livid hamlet]

and as such we don't know how extra damage will work in PoE2

[hoary bolt]

man there are hardly any defensive ascendancy nodes

[livid hamlet]

witch hunter

[distant glade]

Invoker

[snow sierra]

what ?

[distant glade]

Bloodmage

[outer abyss]

true true, that was my other option as i do like the no brainer of summoner builds for first play through

[sharp glade]

why popcorn srs and not just normal srs

[sleek depot]

To proc CoMD

[hoary bolt]

I said it

[snow sierra]

Like alot of acendencys have insane strong defensives

[distant glade]

Just don’t get hit

Skill issue

[livid hamlet]

crossbows are new so they might be pretty overtuned and are nice thematically and witch hunter looks like a very well balanced ascendancy giving clear, single target and tankiness

[livid hamlet]

there's a lot of defensive nodes

[sharp glade]

and what spell are you going to proc

[late osprey]

ah i see. ty for your help!

[distant glade]

I was thinking if I play range I might play deadeye just for extra proj

[sleek depot]

Firestorm which will be boosted by Hellhound aura ignite

[snow sierra]

To me it acendencys seem to way better help with defensives compare to poe 1

[livid hamlet]

well if you want bows deadeye is probably better

for crossbows extra proj probably doesn't mattter as much

as multiple skills have many projectiles as base

[sharp glade]

so you want to scale minion life AND spell/fire dmg

[distant glade]

I was thinking grenades lol

[livid hamlet]

so +1 doesn't matter much

[sleek depot]

Yeah pretty much, not unreasonable

[livid hamlet]

and honestly witch hunter just seems much stronger than deadeye

[hoary bolt]

theres not a single one right now thats as strong as escape aritst, unbreakable, or hell even champ fortify

[livid hamlet]

with pops, regular and reverse culling strike and the concentration node

[hoary bolt]

not a issue

[outer abyss]

@sleek depot have you done any theory crafting yet for the srs build? i havent had time to do much theory crafting cuz im the most indecisive person ever lmao, spent all week trying to decide a good starter

[snow sierra]

Bloodmage has the single strongst flask effect there is as a note...

[sleek depot]

@sharp glade This is the build so far, firestorm supports are still in the works
https://poe2skills.com/share?data=N4IgdghgtgpiBcIAaMAOALABAWkwSTADMYAnSAGwEsBnAFxABoQAjAV0vIBMEBtUagNYdyCEIUokYzCORFNqrVKgD2JWtV4gorcrUqpyMTKhLKAVjADGewxqbjJmKBDqkAnoxCXlYWqdkwnJicMHQkrNaUPp6UAOZglHrR9hJGMAAeKgqSIAC6AL4M-EKyoiQQsZRgsZjUqBKJdiAKSqrqmlXEZDKYhpXJWlVRYJhVdBDMHIkeKe7BMBC06J6h1DBglkboECQAbqH0KY6o6zB+i8N5hcXCorEklFCYxC6HzYoqahrwPCAmVjRLkxLOQdtNPLtEjJwUx0KRpFRqFBPJYIGAEgiaMiCkVmiURIhCKCoM5JlRaDN3q0vpo4XF0LRTkFLKwSGtPHD0phmORlMpkUwHrRWNC6JRLJgWWy4PZlCy1szWeymGN6uUkmArrjBLdEKgIFVMMpCF0qrFPC1Pu0flpVEZOKyLgMdgsjYRMDATVZ6DibqVEOUaEYAF78yYyqlW76-DBuajinrOVwkSnMcK0aEUzywQxGWPx1HkYLQCoRkHKNaSsOLTxUYi9GBWZa+vG6vEwQwZos7ag+GhvS1taMgXbKAKUjswWC+HqEOWsJqPKBjxYRiCcEJBBz2kuxCOEV6kTCLDOWAQaFs6-3tzs9EGkcUWj5DzSguiYWIuVAWk6yD2WdBlE8A9k0lV4zRWQxpy7Y8SCgDxL3xURtzoVQBUjF8fgKAogA

[hoary bolt]

just a change overall

[sleek depot]

above

[sharp glade]

i think im just going to go SRS with immolate/elementalfocus/fireinfusion/feeding frenzy/fire penetration. It gets so many MORE Multi dmg supports

[outer abyss]

good timing, have you done the passive tree

[sleek depot]

Nah not yet, doing it rn

[hoary bolt]

bloodmage progenesis is not nearly as strong as actual flask progenesis

[dim lantern]

Anyone has a decent build idea for ballista totems ?

[sharp glade]

wait where is the melee splash

[sleek depot]

Fair enough, I'm using Fireball+Firestorm+SRS so I'm balancing the supports

[sharp glade]

are minions literally going to be single target

this sounds ass....

[hoary bolt]

besides, recovery is the name of the game in poe 2, so reducing hit damage might not even be a big issue

[livid hamlet]

bloodmage literally has progenesis .
Chronomancer has life recoup, same with storweaver
Titan outright has more life
Warbringer sounds like it will easily cap block
Infernalist has 20% of damage move to Doge

[outer abyss]

any chance you can dm me when you are happy with the build please, will save my brain at 6am on EA launch at least for the first playthrough

[livid hamlet]

there's a crapload of very strong defensive options

[sleek depot]

Infernal Legion + Death explosion, that's the AoE

lmao

The minion dmg scales from HP

[sharp glade]

so normal minion builds stuck in shit clear

[sleek depot]

And is AoE

[sharp glade]

WHERE IS MELEE SPLASH

[hoary bolt]

progenesis isn't as strong because the game is not tuned around massive chunks of damage

[snow sierra]

Infernalist has the resistance shift to.. and for chronomancer most of the noes have a defensive function

[livid hamlet]

like infernalist Doge is by itself stronger than champions fortify assuming your Dog is tanky, since it works for all damage not just hits

[sharp glade]

oh you sweet summet child..... this is GGG we are talking about...

[sleek depot]

For sure bro, if you really want haha; the fun is in planning tho ;)

[livid hamlet]

yeah there's a whole lot of defensive nodes

which i like

[snow sierra]

Bloodmage has the leach too

[sharp glade]

hellhound is hits only tho

[livid hamlet]

ooh

[hoary bolt]

fortify is also only hits though

[snow sierra]

isnt everything a hit now ?

[livid hamlet]

then it's just like fortify

[hoary bolt]

so its still stronger

ye

[outer abyss]

hahaha i completely agree with you there but unfortunately ive ran out of time to plan 😦 and almost bed time for an early EA start heheheh

[sterile latch]

the bear roar gem isnt in game ?

[hoary bolt]

the hellhound is pretty strong agreed

[unkempt heath]

degens still exist i guess?

[random summit]

do we know what the nerfed ver of eldritch battery is gonna be like

[livid hamlet]

But outside of degen ground hit damage now works on everything

[hoary bolt]

it just converts es to mana

[outer abyss]

im happy to plan my second playthrough, im not as knowledgable as you @sleek depot 🙂

[lime timber]

are there any infernalist minions build

[livid hamlet]

well i guess there are some dot spells

never mind what i wrote

i mean they can't really design 250 ascendancy nodes without making a lot of defensive nodes

[sleek depot]

Pretty much every infernalist build ye

[snow sierra]

Ah right dot spells forgot about those

[livid hamlet]

Still hit damage reduction will be much stronger

[lavish marten]

yeah im gonna get destroyed for sure

[outer abyss]

i will probably do a gemling minion build after infern

[livid hamlet]

than it was in PoE1

[sharp glade]

help

where is melee splash

[livid hamlet]

since ailments are scaled of actuall hit damage

[sharp glade]

did they forget

[lime timber]

is there one thats the best that u can show me

[sleek depot]

I wish gemling started in the center, pretty restricting having it opposite the spell/minion side; that's probably intentional tho

[lime timber]

or like its main damage is minions

[outer abyss]

yteh it would be op

[unkempt heath]

Will this work with hellhound? It reads like it should

[livid hamlet]

Do you still have energy shield recharge ? Probably no, right ?

[sharp glade]

its has 110% increased minion damge right outside it

[sleek depot]

Oh, there's not really any planned builds out there that I'd trust; I'd mess w the gems/tree and see what you can come up w.
I also posted my plan above in the chat a bit

[livid hamlet]

probably not

[brittle hound]

Have we got confirmation if Giant's Blood makes the two handed weapons count as one handers?

[lavish marten]

since it converts es to mana that means you would need mana recharge rate instead

[sharp glade]

doesnt hit so probably not, but we dont knwo for sure yet

[livid hamlet]

since it sounds like hound ignite is like an aura

[snow sierra]

go witch, pick minion notes easy as that, and the best most ppl can do for you doubt there is ANY proven Guide, if you see one its most likely bad

[livid hamlet]

like death's oath

[lavish marten]

where my sorc gamers at

share your plans

[sharp glade]

how will melee clear without melee splash? is it built nin now

[lavish marten]

slams

[lime timber]

oh I see, well ty

[sleek depot]

I guess, but the pathing for most of what necros look for is messy w the gemling; lotta wasted pts

[orchid current]

Archmage ooga booga

[sharp glade]

i guess that why he has a bonus to travel nodes

[sleek depot]

True haha

Needs em tbh

[lime timber]

alright didn’t play poe1 and my first time playing here so imma mess around a bit

[livid hamlet]

well hellhound doesn't ignite enemies via hit, but if he is a skill that counts as hitting enemies ( which i doubt ) then it could work

[orchid current]

Holy balls autocorrect I did not type that shit

[sharp glade]

it seems melee minions wont be viable otuside bosses

[lavish marten]

giga scuffed

[sharp glade]

if no melee splash gem

[smoky venture]

anyone will enjoy Monk?

[snow sierra]

Minions are easy to scale tho if you dont do special stuff, just pick the minion notes and dont be to fancy

[unkempt heath]

damn, but does that mean that meat shield damage reduction wouldn't apply as well?

[livid hamlet]

But technically you get summon hellhound and the actuall skill of summoning doesn't hit anything

[floral oxide]

Witch class? What build? Care to elaborate?

[cedar river]

Convince me Withhunter is stronger with Crossbow then Deadeye :S

[orchid current]

Just me or does monk start have like no damage

[safe dragon]

use melee minions to tank for ranged minions i feel is what they are going for

[sleek depot]

That's a tough ask my guy

[lavish marten]

witchhunter probably a better bosser than deadeye

thats about it

[livid hamlet]

no it would because summon hellhound is a skill that creates a minion

[livid hamlet]

wait where did you get the full tree ?

[lime timber]

seeing the chat here tho, minions are bad at aoe? Game starts at 3am here so I’ll probs wont play till tomorrow

[cedar river]

Due to concentration break?

[lavish marten]

that and decimating + culling strike

[halcyon charm]

the explosions on death are high, high tier

[distant glade]

Have we found out how invoker pdr is calculated yet?

[outer abyss]

i had someone say chonk crossbow earlier is looking strong, didnt even know that was a thing

[unkempt heath]

I mean, it would reduce the damage done by the hellhound but not reduce the magnitude of ignite since it's an aura?

[orchid current]

Well it has cull and decimating

[livid hamlet]

they are probably not great but they make it up with numbers

[unkempt heath]

or am i mistaking it completely

[sleek depot]

SRS will be good with Infernal Legion + Minion Instability (Popcorn SRS)

[orchid current]

And the clear speed might not Even be that bad with the 10% explode node

[sharp glade]

i dont see it

[livid hamlet]

no it probably would since it doesn't say that minions deal less damage with hits, it just says that minions deal less damage

but it's hard to say

but probably it would reduce the ignite value

[sleek depot]

We'll have to see lol; only testing will tell!

[sharp glade]

@sleek depot have you thought about dark pact

it has the same scalign vectors

minion life+spell dmg

[distant glade]

Do we know how invoker pdr node is being calculated ?

[floral oxide]

There also are some support gems that synergizes really well with SRS popcorn. Kinda cool for AoE cleaves.

[lime timber]

alright tysm for the infos guys

[snow sierra]

Its a problem to solve, but rember most ppl here trying to make extrem good endgame viable builds and trying to find the optimum. I bet you can go minions, just pick minion notes, do something like cast bonestorm to buffs them and be fine. Infernalist has a good no brain path too for that

[sharp glade]

might be better as bloodmage too

[livid hamlet]

Dark Pact bloodmage honestly sounds metal as fuck

[cedar river]

Decimating is early dmg, before the boss enrages and gets strong, so its not as good as it seems. Culling is only 5% on bosses. It looks a bit like bait

[sharp glade]

yea

[livid hamlet]

jesus now i want to play that

[lavish marten]

enrages?

[distant glade]

But then you have to play totems

[sleek depot]

Not rly, build is already so packed w gems... don't even have room for it
One reason I'm actually considering gemling

[cedar river]

yes explosion on death looks good

[sharp glade]

imagine with instant leech

[floral oxide]

7 1/2 hours + 1000000 queue hours left brother

[livid hamlet]

waiting time isn't the problem, me having already half a dozen builds that i want to league start with is

[sharp glade]

like old DP zerker

[cedar river]

Well bosses usually starts soft and get harder the lower hp they have, more abilities etc...

[lavish marten]

just dodge what

like thats gonna happen regardless of what you're playing against a boss

witchhunter just ends the fight faster

[livid hamlet]

decimating strike is great with concentration tho

[cedar river]

Yes concentraton is the factor

I believe

[floral oxide]

Guys, softcore hardcore, how do we choose when we play?

[livid hamlet]

i will possibly choose hardcode just for fun at the start

[sharp glade]

https://poe2db.tw/us/Chaotic_Freeze also gets to freeze enemeis

[orchid current]

Probably on character creation like usual

[livid hamlet]

and will be carefull but won't cry if i die

[unkempt heath]

@sleek depot , when doing popcorn SRS, do you plan on them doing any real dmg with the explosions? Or is it just a means to trigger CoMD?

[snow sierra]

We all know we will play que core right ?

[orchid current]

Hardcore sounds awful unless you're really masochistic

Servers will kill you before any mob

[livid hamlet]

chaos pact doesn't deal over time damage

it's hit

[warped jackal]

Is darkness so bad that nobody mention it?

[cedar river]

When you die you get booted over to SC so the only loss is the stash

[floral oxide]

Will there be an option prompt to choose?

[lavish marten]

its new so i dont think anyone really knows anything about it

[snow sierra]

doubt that will be the issue

[sleek depot]

Yeah, going to scale minion HP up a good amt cause minions are also my tanks; hence the zombies w cleric skeleton revives

[snow sierra]

with the new thing they put in not many hardcore death will happen because of lags/dc and stuff

[livid hamlet]

In PoE1 you choose which league you want to make and there are always 8 choices, in here there probably will 4
Regular
Hardcore
Solo self founds
Hardcore solo self found

[warped jackal]

Ahh okay makes sense

[sharp glade]

you put the chaos dot on an auxiliary skill, and freeze with the hits of your DP main casts

[livid hamlet]

In PoE1 this is double since you can play standard or league but here we won't have league

[floral oxide]

What the hell is self founds?

[sharp glade]

https://poe2db.tw/us/Soul_Offering you also get a chonky 40% spell multi

[lavish marten]

no trade with other players

[unkempt heath]

If i am understanding this correctly, SRS has 25% hp value of a normal mob for its level

[sharp glade]

DP bloodmage sounds cool

[floral oxide]

Ah damn.

[unkempt heath]

That's why i am looking for other ways to deal damage with it

[livid hamlet]

solo self founds is a game mode where you can't trade with other playes

[sleek depot]

Yeah, but you'll be summoning multiple too

[livid hamlet]

i myself like it a lot i might start hardcore solo self found and then will obviously die probably before halfway of act 1

[floral oxide]

Could Bind Spectre potentially capture epic rare mob given you have enough Spirit?

[livid hamlet]

and as for when i abandon solo self found we will see

[sharp glade]

DP bloodmage and stack life

[sleek depot]

Not to mention ESSENCE HARVEST

[sharp glade]

trust

[sleek depot]

Infinite mana basically with popcorn srs

[snow sierra]

we wont have specter

[sleek depot]

that alone makes it worth damn near

[lavish marten]

didnt they remove essence harvest

[sleek depot]

Did they??

[lavish marten]

because of that

yeah

[floral oxide]

Yeah that's a bummer but asking for the future.

[sleek depot]

Fuckkkkkkk, that would be so good xd

[livid hamlet]

oh nice, i just fully read the gems

it's a nice setupo

[mental mauve]

i think i heard smth similar from ruetoo

[livid hamlet]

Archmage blood mage and bleed node

[snow sierra]

since they need to change it, impossible to know but they said you can get all mobs that are not bosses

[unkempt heath]

CoMD says 'can't socket skills that summon minions', but if you have SRS on and trigger a cast of firestorm, will it summon SRS?

[sleek depot]

Fireball summons SRS

You cast fireball, it triggers SRS, SRS CoMD triggers Firestorm; the hellhound applies ignite to enhance Firestorm

[sharp glade]

nah no mana or crit, go right side to get more life=more DP dmg

[floral oxide]

https://tenor.com/view/poe-path-of-exile-login-play-poe-login-gif-26508840

[unkempt heath]

Ye, i had a simmilar plan, just now thinking about how it works out

Cause it doesn't say 'fire spells you cast'

[sleek depot]

Yeah and SRS triggers aren't energy based like firestorm so it's all good

[distant glade]

Does this work if I’m gaining frenzy charges ?

[lavish marten]

likely yes

[snow sierra]

i want something like Iron will that would be so cool on STR stacking bloodmage ^^

[sleek depot]

yeah

[cedar river]

It nearly annoys med that GGG have made so many paths to greatness! Hard to choose

[sleek depot]

:)

[livid hamlet]

bleed from elemental damage tho

So you can have archmage damage contribute to bleed

[bold raft]

Add in Skelly arsonists for even more fire in the screen

[livid hamlet]

which just sounds so

[sleek depot]

Got that covered >:)

[livid hamlet]

so

[unkempt hound]

first time player here! super excited

[bold raft]

You think support gems are going to be able to be slotted into trigger slots?
So probably spell echo for firestorm lol

[livid hamlet]

[sleek depot]

Yes they are

[livid hamlet]

We hope you enjoy the game

[bold raft]

Beautiful

[sleek depot]

https://poe2skills.com play with it here

[haughty root]

If eldritch battery converts all shield to mana, does that turn energy shield recharge rate into mana regen or useless?

[livid hamlet]

I'm not touching any build planner

[quartz coral]

if i use cast on crit -> ball lightning which then shocks things, will the shock from those give energy to a cast on shock skill? What do you guys think

[sleek depot]

useless

[livid hamlet]

imma go balls blind,with only a meme build in my mind and pure hope in my heart

[sleek depot]

ES regen isn't applied

Not PoE 1 unfort

[livid hamlet]

what about that with Eternal Youth ?

[pearl sluice]

this is the way

[livid hamlet]

Do you lose energy recharge as a stat outright

[sleek depot]

No, you no longer have ES

[livid hamlet]

yeah figured that would be the case

[pearl sluice]

what class you rolling?

[haughty root]

Was asking because the mana flask nodes also gives energy shield regen

[sleek depot]

Oh, misread that node lmao; it works

Thought something else

[livid hamlet]

i can't decide between bloodmage and witch hunter

[plain solar]

anyone knows if EB is on early access or if they removed?

[pastel forge]

stormweaver dual shock 2000% more dmg on this bad boy

[livid hamlet]

So literally between a witch hunter and a witch 😄

[pearl sluice]

lol those are both my ea starter choices as well.. i kinda threw the minion build out of the window since spectres wont be in and thinking rolling wh instead

[snow sierra]

Again bloodmage question, do we have any info in the frist note working with minions or not ? because there was an offical video where it did work. But the text as i read it seems to say it dosnt

[sharp glade]

which node

[livid hamlet]

yeah i'm not a minion player really

[snow sierra]

the Life Remnants

the first everyone has to pick

[haughty root]

I wanted to go infernalist, but demon form doesn't look as fun as I'd hoped, so thinking of making it easy for myself with stormweaver

[livid hamlet]

but i very much liked monk , but witch hunter sounds even juicer

You have grenades, maching gun and a shotgun

fighting against demons

[sharp glade]

pretty clear its doesnt imo

[pearl sluice]

aesthetically its so freakin

witchhunter that is

[livid hamlet]

which is literally

[lone smelt]

I can't even LOGIN yet

[snow sierra]

thats how i read it too, just confusing that it did seem to work

[pearl sluice]

what a coincidence, me neither !

[livid hamlet]

But blood mage sounds so juicy as well

[sharp glade]

i wanted to play minions but DP lifestacking bloodmage seems so interesting....

[bold raft]

I would play witch hunter as my 2nd character just to see those white X explosions from the witch hunter ascendancy

[livid hamlet]

especially since life leech sounds way stronger right now

[last kite]

how would this work with ele pen?

if I pen 70% res for example

would it treat it as -70% res basically?

[livid hamlet]

pen doesn't go below 0 now

[sleek depot]

Shavronne's Wrapping are in the game, really hoping they have chaos dmg doesn't bypass ES; if it does.. that item will be pricy af

[sharp glade]

add VP and its basically old Dp zerker, if you were around back then

[snow sierra]

btw no way ill do good dmg with my character while carrying a septer right ?

[livid hamlet]

i was but too newbie to experience that

[last kite]

I see, any news on what res mobs would have?

[bold raft]

What's your weapon in your main hand?

[snow sierra]

Like making a bonestorm, minion bloodmage where leech is still good

is double septer a option ?

[bold raft]

No

[dusty mist]

the mana costs look crazy on skills

[sharp glade]

yea

[snow sierra]

so i would guess any caster/minion build just equips a wand ?

[dusty mist]

an attack having 166 mana cost at level 20 is absurd

[bold raft]

Yeah you'll do wand and scepter
Which should be fine

[sleek depot]

Blood magic time :)

[snow sierra]

died of casting

[livid hamlet]

they want you to pay attention to mana management

or pay the price of not doing so

[lavish marten]

until you have perma arcane surge

[sharp glade]

https://poe2db.tw/us/Danse_Macabre + https://poe2db.tw/us/Soul_Offering = 50% MORE spell dmg wtfffff

DP bloodmage sounds so strong

[lavish marten]

wtf

thats an insane support

[random summit]

if i take blood magic archmage doesnt work right?

[hollow pivot]

what is DP?

[lavish marten]

dark pact

a skill

[sharp glade]

https://poe2db.tw/us/Dark_Pact

[lapis plume]

https://poe2db.tw/us/passive-skill-tree/AAAABgEBgRKDSZ3Z_xoex_C5wwyq6PQ1yQjOEoxGNVijmH3uY-FuLZifT7hJu56hnBo7AHQhedjTV1ftFD_vFkc7_qzfo7FvneiVEWghqLbjqjgfIwW8N_Tn4sFoFMJxUSdf7-uzPfTVtdrGgI4bYcIN7yevfOlyOBLcSmTgqZqPWjP2LZpbW5oCLixmmTy03M4mE9yJ_PSLTQMPsTJ2Z08-DYNfHQBx3BpgiBgFmb3qkc-FyBDHegazXgPIHNL9-LNLUtaQgmtjpI8SqDgb75qiZWBP0cEL4emTJ6xxFvfteHLib60LwS804dT5XYPKVVZ9DzYz--Wl71P5lmKX-3tFWpouR6wecQAA

please someone tell me the archdemon will work

[dusty mist]

yeah i can see that, this grounded me to expect a more calculated game

[sharp glade]

scale ur dmmg with player or minion life

[livid hamlet]

you need to have two skeletons

and only 2

[sharp glade]

*at least 2

you mean

[livid hamlet]

and that's assuming dark pact still wont trigger of skeletons on the spike

I mean if you have more then two DP will proc of skellies right ?

[sharp glade]

hmmm

:/ tru

[livid hamlet]

so we need to hope that skellies on a spike can't be used to trigger DP

if they can't it will be strong

i hope it's true because it's exactly what GGG hopes for

a better setup for skills

but actually you would need to only summon skellies before the boss

and hoope they don't resurect during mapping

[sharp glade]

maybe go for minion life scaling and crit side instead of using your own life

[livid hamlet]

sure , skellies DP will be strong

[sharp glade]

not scaling any minion life sounds liek the spike will just get oneshot

[livid hamlet]

but it's a not bloodmage

build then

[sharp glade]

its still a selfcast build that leeches

you would take the 15% crit node too

[livid hamlet]

i guess that's true

[dim rune]

Decent generic slam/ bleed build? Guess more Titan and not Warbringer --> https://poe2db.tw/us/passive-skill-tree/AAAABgAAVg9gtPWanRq3Fk7Qw-l3UKX7HGrtSkOxM0FV1huFouFn0ddM2qIVxE1Zv8xK9opGmVOLaGXpgSh6RX82cTllNpwCDgpVGAmvmIy7sCJISRGvjMyr8VsLsQ8oCxwk0RcTeenuEVryUoSTGthIEHW9SYZUP-k-zYrKJWsvvoCtdqsCkB6BcQ5yQ7L32_s41mbepf2rdasbC2XszKgEP_rw09QL0-qguJ8qeUTZuq4AAA==

[sharp glade]

since dp has only 7% base

but lose progenesis

oh well

[livid hamlet]

yeah

i think progenesis will be a must honestly

so either sacrifice the leech

[sharp glade]

yeah its mega strong

[livid hamlet]

or the 15% crit

[snow sierra]

it sounds so good

[sharp glade]

you cant sacrifice the leech

no way

its super op

[livid hamlet]

i mean if you use skellies for DP

then you can

[sharp glade]

you still deal dmg yourself

its a selfcast build

[snow sierra]

but if you use skellys the first note is kinda dead

[livid hamlet]

yeah but you will have the orbs from sanguimancy to heal

and won't damage yourself

[sharp glade]

DP using the skeleton's life is still your OWN hit

[livid hamlet]

progenesis is better than leech imo as a defence option

so the question here is if leech is better than 15% crit

[sharp glade]

Dp scales with your own dmg not minion

[livid hamlet]

i understand that

[snow sierra]

oh thats good to know

[livid hamlet]

oh you were replying to Nischana

[snow sierra]

Is the same true for Infernal Legion ?

[livid hamlet]

but yeah , i think progenesis will be better than leech as a defensive option

[sharp glade]

i mean you too, since you are saying to abandon leech