what was the removed thing people were talking about
#2┃build-planning
distant dome
tender crane
I feel bad for anyone choosing the jade ascendancy. 10% pdr at max, and you cant move LOL
keen dagger
It's interesting that life nodes are largely gone, too
frail jay
not really, it got disabled because it was crashing servers basically
they fixed the bug
frigid hill
I feel bad for anyone choosing the jade ascendancy. 10% pdr at max, and you cant...
lmao wtf
pastel forge
there are a LOT of crit nodes
distant dome
not really, it got disabled because it was crashing servers basically
ooooh
tender crane
they made jade look like 100% pdr from the reveal video
frail jay
I feel bad for anyone choosing the jade ascendancy. 10% pdr at max, and you cant...
you do realize the ascendancy allows you to activate it to block all damage right?
that's a passive effect
frigid hill
oh the activated ability is still there
tender crane
that's a passive effect
ohhhh ok. that makes it MUCH better
frigid hill
in that case that buff is just solid
muted charm
with most proejctiles shotgunning now
its safe to assume ball lightning got shotgunning back right/
tender crane
in that case that buff is just solid
kinda makes me want to get it now...mabye for my 3rd ascendancy. extra 10% pdr is nice
frail jay
holy nerf 
frigid hill
imo block is the way to go on warbringer
undone ingot
I feel bad for anyone choosing the jade ascendancy. 10% pdr at max, and you cant...
well its passive 10% pdr and you ALSO have the skill which is like vaal arctic armour
hoary bolt
you lose the pdr when hit though
distant dome
this was nerfed D:
tender crane
well its passive 10% pdr and you ALSO have the skill which is like vaal arctic a...
yeah. i missed the active part. the passive pdr bonus makes it enticing to me now
undone ingot
yeah its not a great skill. i might spec into Jade for specific boss encounters when i dont want to move from something
frigid hill
you lose the pdr when hit though
when u take physical damage to be precise, works with block
vagrant hollow
holy nerf <:kekw:1233635834687918101>
Where is this updated info coming from?
short timber
Eye of winter coc login
supple escarp
Eye of winter coc login
im hyped about that
frail jay
Eye of winter coc login
Yeah just gotta figure out if I have some way to use EoW as my main spam skill and put BL on cast on x but idk
young shale
loaded instant for me
pastel forge
total of +32% chance of extra projectiles on spell
frail jay
I feel like BL has to be my energy generator because it will shock so much
true gulch
does unleash support cost mana for the retriggers??
hoary bolt
im checking inspect element and the javascript fails every single time
keen dagger
Oh Cast on Shock was reduced to 60 spirit
frail jay
because the site is being DDoSed
short timber
Yeah just gotta figure out if I have some way to use EoW as my main spam skill a...
that's what I'm thinking yeah
pastel forge
hmm
distant dome
we can get 90% more offering HP. Time to go Infernal Legion Offering Spec
frail jay
no change in text for Eternal Youth
I don't think it would have a change in text
they just changed how recharge works mechanically
keen dagger
It seems like mono-element won't be viable because of support restrictions + limited number of accessible passives to boost a damage type
undone nexus
someone eli5
tender oasis
shortest rout to witch blood magic
pastel forge
lol what
upper wing
right now I'm deciding between Titan and Invoker.
Do Invoker have a lot of recovery in the end game? that's all of my concerning for this class
keen dagger
Also I'm having doubts Lightning Storm/Ball Lightning/Eye of Winter will work for generating Cast on Shock energy, it says 'once per skill use'
undone ingot
someone eli5
if their pdr from armour was 25% before being debuffed, their maximum more phys taken from hits is capped at 25%
bronze crane
is everything on poe 2 db accurate?
keen dagger
So it seems like lightning attack skills are the way to go
bronze crane
like gems
pastel forge
wait which website?
poe2db tree
upper wing
poe2db tree
ty
bronze crane
yeah as accurate as possible
i feel like they just gave buff to eveything i see new there like
tender oasis
excuse me i found this banger
undone ingot
i feel like they just gave buff to eveything i see new there like
gonna suck to wait 10 seconds to have your shit cleared, but yeah might be ok
bronze crane
i mean
pastel forge
i mean
in exchange, they removed all % max mana nodes except for 17%
so you must build EB to scale archmage
tender oasis
all the bleed is at the bottom section of the tree wtf
bronze crane
gonna suck to wait 10 seconds to have your shit cleared, but yeah might be ok
thata means you need zero invesment in curses and eleiments just survive for 10 sec
undone ingot
thata means you need zero invesment in curses and eleiments just survive for 10 ...
probably, yeah. just get a freeze charm
upper wing
i feel like they just gave buff to eveything i see new there like
damn this should go insane on Invoker with enough spirit no?
pastel forge
no more CI archmage, sorry bois
river tusk
what POB are you guys using?
undone ingot
google sheets
native widget
sooooo the increase maximum ES modifier would not do anything with EB right?
bronze crane
i mean
pastel forge
what POB are you guys using?
https://poe2db.tw/us/passive-skill-tree i open it on chrome
bronze crane
wonder if there is a way to get rid of life regen so i can abuse cast speed on low life
obtuse bobcat
Any builds yall used before can be scrapped, they completely changed the tree lmao
As expected, but still wew!
river tusk
https://poe2db.tw/us/passive-skill-tree i open it on chrome
ty
tender oasis
god all the good nodes for bleed and leech are no where near witch smh
bronze crane
wtf is this thing
frail jay
Witch
frail jay
you die
sacred badger
Giant blood now says tripple requirement
magic venture
Giv tips
pastel forge
MoM synergy
native widget
sooooo the increase maximum ES modifier would not do anything with EB right?
sullen wasp
build set up complete. I'm now ready for launch.
frail jay
Man it's nice, every tree I was looking at until now it felt like the traceling was dogshit and it was hard to get what I want
And now with the actual tree and my final build everything is perfectly in place
undone ingot
big oof ****
undone ingot
looks like they very much want you to play a starter build that morphs into something else
frail jay
huh?
undone ingot
just looking at the extreme barriers to entry for some of the cooler build enabling stuff. giants blood having a 3x multiplier now, many gems gated behind pinnacle bosse
opaque nacelle
pastel forge
frail jay
what gems are gated by pinnacle bosses?
undone ingot
all tier 14 gems
native widget
ngl i dont know why you would do that
native widget
i wonder if this also affect archmage cost
undone ingot
frail jay
not using any of those thankfully
opaque nacelle
ngl i dont know why you would do that
- shock and chill
pastel forge
i wonder if this also affect archmage cost
no idea yea, if it does its huge
-16% total
frail jay
what about t13 gems 
undone ingot
t13 are from maps
frail jay
ew
native widget
+ shock and chill
ok? take the shock nodes and use a cold skill?
opaque nacelle
ok? take the shock nodes and use a cold skill?
frail jay
Ice Nova Frost Bomb Frostbolt time 
native widget
thats not even that much
tender oasis
god the more i path out bloodmage the less i want to play it
frail jay
river tusk
is ignite titan the way?
frail jay
it's a way
muted charm
small realization. Evasion being distance based. Is fantastic for ranger.
Her best defensive layer works best in her most comfortable spot
frail jay
wait evasion is distance based?
frail jay
Huh
radiant wyvern
do we know how muck spirit we get form the acts?
native widget
i cant figure out what nodes to give up
frail jay
https://poe2db.tw/us/passive-skill-tree/AAAABgcBiP0Vwl8LKR8-mtgioxxOmSQSg0md2f8a...
128/122
frail jay
what the fuck are you doing lmao
muted charm
"From enemy " there is a support that makes slams count as point blank for example
to prevent slams from being screwed
native widget
thats just how I build tree
frail jay
I mean personally I try to not go over 103 points in starter trees
native widget
take all the nodes i want and start giving up weak ones
pastel forge
arc support lol
native widget
arc support lol
doesnt do shit for single target
frail jay
cinder raven
Does dodge roll have a coold down?
frail jay
no
tender oasis
huh thast a weird place for that nod near merc
cinder raven
So it's better than blink?
tender oasis
melee merc lol
undone ingot
i like this
hoary plover
so it looks like secondary effects on gems dont have their own tags- do we think they inherit the main tags?
like the explosion on gas grenade... gets proj scaling? there's no way right?
native widget
you can fit a whole cast on X
frail jay
I'm so ready
kindred barn
What "increased Magnitude" exactly does?
I never played PoE before and messing with a passive skill builder for fun, but don't really understand what exactly some things do
kindred barn
So it's a thing that will affect stats the most since it gets all the multipliers on top?
frail jay
idk about the most but it's a unique multiplier for the strength of the ailment
like increased magnitude would multiply with increased effect
native widget
I'm so ready
wait what?
languid oasis
harmonic generator is changed :(((
native widget
you are playing invoker now?
languid oasis
that sounded like a fun idea
frail jay
you are playing invoker now?
I was always playing invoker WDYM
cinder raven
im unable to see the passive skill tree
native widget
L
frail jay
abandoned your bloodmage so fast
I was never planning on playing bloodmage?
native widget
im unable to see the passive skill tree
skill issue
hoary plover
im unable to see the passive skill tree
reload
languid oasis
adblock maybe?
native widget
I was never planning on playing bloodmage?
on right.
undone ingot
im unable to see the passive skill tree
site is getting hammered, force reload
kindred barn
im unable to see the passive skill tree
reload/cash/addblockers etc
native widget
wrong guy
sinful gull
Remember guys don't watch any videos by channel Path of Exile Builds on YouTube
native widget
i was thinking about someone else
sinful gull
They're a scam
tender oasis
witch hunter looking spicier
frail jay
wrong guy
remember I was planning on doing the incendiary shot with 3 elemental invocations
native widget
i think?
frail jay
yeah that's pretty good
river tusk
https://poe2db.tw/us/passive-skill-tree/AAAABgYBYYp9S-A1k-fs3grolKUjlH4PYLT1mp0atxZO0MMZgX6g6XdQpfscau1KQ7EzQVWPFdYb4WfR1-XW9opTi6R_aGUPlDCCxYF6jemBacoNdn5d9CLJaUZPCbtukJGKfJ-S7DPfowtQ0-v0-esmFgSRaqBFfzZxOWU2nC_0Ag4KVemJVKZyrgOV_ogEsCKUyU_XF0fd0j4tiCOS1pmwq2dFx7lYYtKhytEzub4egZGtg3Rcs-xZvx30uQtV3msvZdbzCJTyAAA= Sunder and God hammer build . any additions should add or change?
frail jay
mfw attacking while moving is a thing in poe2
undone ingot
this guy, + mana flask and mana leech on my spam skill hopefully will keep me up,
true gulch
will archmag work with Chaos hit and dot skills??
native widget
mfw attacking while moving is a thing in poe2
my prediction was correct
latent totem
i'm presuming infernal legion's damage won't stack since it doesn't in poe1 right?
native widget
it is a good mana node
frail jay
yeah
pastel forge
man gore spikes feel overnerfed now when a single crit dmg small node is 15% LOL
frail jay
I thought it would be cost reduction but that was elsewhere
tender oasis
i just noticed witch hunter could be a armor break monster
main jetty
https://poe2db.tw/us/passive-skill-tree/AAAABgEBfB5xmi5FWkesIpa2NBKDSZ3Z_xoex_BXKgyq6PRZJQ7v60beZ-FuhQrn8LUWeQOuvSn24KIFmYgYega9qLNeHxjDuLhAktojF1c7nQjxkoHY1PmzPe_r9NXGICxwtdq6j73jjhthwg3vJ6986XI44KkQr_WncdxUZoNfPg3ucq04m__efFj_RF3TFHgAPcF5x9VojpsKLk-kIKWkB-5iQ-KfvrYkBMI6YaEvK_CYPCGon087_qzfo7FvneiVONQNc9eMqjgfIwW8N_SyQGOfabyL90y8fgIPGjl4Iv3evbEfxTOYfVijRjXuY47UTBp3O73qhciRzxDHAAA= any obvious fk ups on my starter minion build?
undone ingot
awwww they removed the 5% double damage
hoary bolt
im so sad that harmonic generator got giga deleted
undone ingot
man gore spikes feel overnerfed now when a single crit dmg small node is 15% LOL
play sunder, built in crits!
languid oasis
im so sad that harmonic generator got giga deleted
me too that seemed like a really fun node
kindred barn
"Exposure Effect" is a something like buff to the elemental damage enemy gets, do I get it right?
languid oasis
how to generate power charges now is it just the palm skill that removes shock?
livid ridge
What element is the play on stormweaver rn or is lightning still a good endgame option?
languid oasis
havent looked at new skills yet
undone ingot
how to generate power charges now is it just the palm skill that removes shock?
profane
muted charm
arc support lol
it work on way more than arc
pastel forge
undone ingot
ugh that seems annoying af
or you can take resonance and generate frenzies
native widget
wat??
frigid hill
no way
muted charm
as expected essence drain si fucking horrid with no support 😦
tender oasis
huh not bad
muted charm
just make it do poison damage ggg
lone temple
I have 110% cd recovery on grenade without even trying ...
undone ingot
whats frenzy generation
combat frenzy, snipers mark, and then the deadeye stuff pretty much
hoary bolt
alright screw invoker, Chonk time
frail jay
alright screw invoker, Chonk time
Invoker so good tho
tight bolt
are we thinking blood witch or infernalist gonna be better?
frail jay
as expected essence drain si fucking horrid with no support 😦
The totem
The totem will carry
undone ingot
i just cant see how im going to fit in the intellect for mantra and get giants blood 😦
pastel forge
315% inc crit hit chance is pretty good i think
undone ingot
oh wait
frail jay
maybe don't take giants blood?
undone ingot
they murdered mantra
frigid hill
cant load the passive tree 
hoary bolt
if it even gives 3 flames, thats 42% as extra on top of the 41% as extra
pastel forge
cant load the passive tree <:notLikeThis:613809080905236512>
try chrome
hoary bolt
turn off all adblockers
frigid hill
try chrome
i did 😦
hoary bolt
including ublock
frigid hill
fresh install chrome
tender oasis
this is max aparently
frail jay
Ghost dance is in 
spice needle
guys, no life node on tree?
hoary bolt
wait cant I just go MoM and skip the mana to es leech on Chonk
livid ridge
Anyone built a stormweaver tree that I could look at?
hoary bolt
wait no mana increases are deadge
muted charm
how does chadot have it worse than in poe1 😦
plain solar
https://poe2db.tw/us/passive-skill-tree/ is not opening here, is it dead?
hoary bolt
shadow will have a dot ascendancy
sharp silo
https://poe2db.tw/us/passive-skill-tree/ is not opening here, is it dead?
Working for me
undone ingot
no fun allowed tho
pastel forge
https://poe2db.tw/us/passive-skill-tree/ is not opening here, is it dead?
alive for me
hoary bolt
turn off ublock on the site
plain solar
dang, firefox and chrome doesnt open
stark sinew
do minions benefit from player dmg, ie does inc fire dmg increase minion fire dmg
undone ingot
if you are having trouble opening the tree you may have cached an incomplete version. try force reloading
pastel forge
yea turn off adblockers
frail jay
wait solar orb autoignites what
plain solar
plain solar
yea turn off adblockers
its off, nothing. =/
pastel forge
its off, nothing. =/
f
plain solar
if you are having trouble opening the tree you may have cached an incomplete ver...
how do i do that? lol
undone ingot
how do i do that? lol
what browser
native widget
no fun allowed tho
giga nerfed lmao
hoary bolt
nvm MoM is far away from monk start
plain solar
dam. nothing
plain solar
am I crazy or this is insane
name of the skill?
undone ingot
i guess we just slot this in instead of hourglass on sunder
short timber
name of the skill?
lightning conduit
frail jay
am I crazy or this is insane
assuming you can get 2 50% shocks yeah seems good
main jetty
does "recoup as mana" gets affected by "less mana recovery rate"?
frigid hill
yes
undone ingot
does "recoup as mana" gets affected by "less mana recovery rate"?
yeah, its recovery
frail jay
Might be better to EI conduit instead of comet if enemies are on shocked ground
which I do generate
undone ingot
am I crazy or this is insane
i mean, it has a huge cast time
frail jay
I like comet tho
short timber
i mean, it has a huge cast time
cast on shock
frail jay
i mean, it has a huge cast time
trigger it lol
plain solar
am I crazy or this is insane
wth is payoff?
undone ingot
wth is payoff?
consumes a debuff
plain solar
ohh
frigid hill
Eye of winter eating invoker ailment ground has so much potential
frail jay
Eh I'm already consuming my shocks
undone ingot
this is gonna make my hammer do big dams
frail jay
Eye of winter eating invoker ailment ground has so much potential
oh wait holy shit yes
that's how I can make EoW shock
short timber
Eye of winter is so busted haha
frail jay
so that I can put BL in cast on shock with elemental discharge
instead of the other way around
languid oasis
wait you can uber empower yourself with flames of chayula by just waiting before a boss fight for 25 seconds and picking them all up at once
frigid hill
Cold snap has nutty base damage for cast on freeze too
undone ingot
dont you want to put BL in the thing that shoots 9 of them at once?
frigid hill
wildshards? maybe
languid oasis
fuckk now i dont know if i should go invoker or chonk
hoary plover
???
hoary bolt
fuckk now i dont know if i should go invoker or chonk
currently struggling with this too
short timber
problem with freeze stuff is bosses
frail jay
invoker 
frigid hill
im less excited about chonk with all the %mana nodes gone
short timber
imo chonk is 100% a bait
invoker is actually good
especially endgame it should have some very nice potential
frail jay
eh chonk will be good
short timber
ehh idk
languid oasis
you can literally get like 100% extra chaos tho on boss fights if you just wait at the start
short timber
leech seems bait
hoary bolt
how
short timber
monk doesn't seem like a pure phys build
hoary bolt
just go phys and gain as chaos
frail jay
just put on a crossbow/bow lmao
hoary bolt
phys staff
undone ingot
wildshards? maybe
no this
short timber
it has instant leech and 140% extra damage as chaos lol
wdym 140% extra
frail jay
use like rain of arrows and explosive grenade and rapid shot and shit
short timber
from breech?
hoary bolt
ye
frail jay
flames of chayula
languid oasis
yeah
frail jay
yes
languid oasis
flames seem even more broken than expected
hoary bolt
you can also generate them with mantra
frail jay
mantra also gives flames
short timber
sounds not as good as advertised
short timber
I could be wrong
languid oasis
the playstyle might be weird
frail jay
I mean it will be clunky yes, but it won't be bad
languid oasis
but they last fort 25 seconds
short timber
I mean it will be clunky yes, but it won't be bad
that's fair
languid oasis
its weird that they made darkness so shit tho
pastel forge
critting on lightning conduit is gonna be crazy
frail jay
darkness is giga bait
languid oasis
i thought there would be more interactions with darkness, not with into the breach
hoary bolt
yeah I think pure phys staff and gaining as chaos is the play
so your leech isnt gimped
short timber
darkness is giga bait
funny thing is
frail jay
yeah I think pure phys staff and gaining as chaos is the play
not even staff, use a bow or crossbow or mace lol
frail jay
probably bow/crossbow because closer to monk
frail jay
staff skills are way more elemental
frigid hill
darkness can be scaled btw
undone ingot
mantra gives 1 purple flame after AT MINIMUM 8 other actions
hoary bolt
flicker isnt
short timber
most people want to play chayula as an actual monk
and that shit isn't gonna cut it
hallow meadow
Good night everyone!
Guys to start with character I was thinking of getting ascension chronomancer because I really love the mechanics of stopping time, how is early access worth the time to test? Or do you think you have to get one already focused on the sorcerer’s damage ascension?
undone ingot
mantra is terrible now
frigid hill
the small nodes give 10%, there might be other ways
hoary bolt
where did you see 1 flame
frail jay
flicker isnt
gl generating charges consistently without elemental stuff
livid ridge
Would ball lightning with elemental invocation to activate lighning conduit the play with smthn else for single target?
hoary bolt
wdtm
rich dawn
could this work
hoary bolt
you dont need elemental to gen PC
undone ingot
where did you see 1 flame
the description of the on kill effect
icy dirge
can someone explain what this means to someone new to poe
hoary bolt
link skills not in game yet
frail jay
you dont need elemental to gen PC
what are you gonna do for pc?
tender crane
any ideas how to gain endurance charges now? only thing from tree is charge on stunning a rare
hoary bolt
siphoning strike
undone ingot
can someone explain what this means to someone new to poe
skills that arent in the game yet
hoary bolt
and also profane ritual
frigid hill
OMG the passive tree loaded
pastel forge
so when mana recoup happens, it just adds on to your mana regen right?
frail jay
siphoning strike
siphoning strike is elemental...
hoary bolt
it isnt
frigid hill
wahoo
lone temple
cluster grenade is a 1655% damage multi, assuming overlap and one projectile, not bad
Anyone workling on a build ?
frail jay
it only converts on the shockwave
ok, so how are you going to have shocks to consume?
without elemental
hoary bolt
lightning storm
frail jay
Doubt that will work well on an attack build
since it's ailment threshold based to apply shock
frail jay
???
hoary bolt
invocation gives 1/6th the energy to shock and ignite
so im assuming far easier to apply
undone ingot
much easier
frail jay
I mean yeah, if you use a skill you actually scale damage with
not lightning storm on an attack build
hoary bolt
lightning storm + added light + the shock support should prob be able to shock
frail jay
isn't added light attack only or is that just cold
hoary bolt
theres honestly not an overwhelming amount of spell damage on tree
frail jay
also it's just 25% more damage
hoary bolt
even if its like 200%, that just means like 1/3rd damage
should still be able to apply imo
undone ingot
there are some pretty great freeze nodes tho
tender oasis
aparetly exhanguiste is in?
languid oasis
i think shock and ignite will be easy to apply
i think same as chill
frail jay
it's an item skill
half ingot
so boys
muted charm
ngl
half ingot
what are we playing for EA
hoary bolt
what
half ingot
I cannot disagree more
hoary bolt
?????
undone ingot
well yeah
hoary bolt
uhhh
half ingot
this node needs to get better 2 or 3 times tho
muted charm
that's also rpettyy much all they have
undone ingot
idk im seeing pretty great synergies on warbringer
muted charm
junlike other areas which have a lot of neutral nodes
cinder raven
does invoke a spell mean self cast?
undone ingot
i still think titan is bait
muted charm
.......that's why they put so many jewels on the tree
distant dome
this is gonna make my hammer do big dams
I can use this on that channeled fire damage skill to do big boom bleed/ignite.
hoary bolt
warcry damage, shockwave chance
frail jay
Why is ancestral bond such a fucking dogshit keystone
muted charm
you litrally just need to path to a jewel
frail jay
why did they nerf it so hard
languid oasis
lingering illusion CI for late game charge generation i think
undone ingot
Why is ancestral bond such a fucking dogshit keystone <:kekw:1233635834687918101...
lol i know. you can get 3 melee totems basically for free on the tree and with the limit support .... or pay 300 spirit for them
frail jay
lol i know. you can get 3 melee totems basically for free on the tree and with t...
400 spirit for like +20% damage
good node
opal ruin
proud canopy
I think ancestral bond is gonna be more for spell totem
muted charm
you can also tell how close warrior druid, and huntress are to done
since most their stuff is already on the tree
proud canopy
still rough investment though
frail jay
Barrage Chrono 
undone ingot
honestly this was needed or this skill was going to blow up the game
proud canopy
that said if negative armor scaling is busted bond may still be worth it I dunno
undone ingot
I think ancestral bond is gonna be more for spell totem
for sure
cinder raven
half ingot
I like how equal these nodes are
hoary plover
literally perfect for my gas arrow build
undone ingot
that said if negative armor scaling is busted bond may still be worth it I dunno
its not, its capped at the positive value
opal ruin
I should've checked the gem before I spent an hour planning out a tree though lmao fml
cinder raven
https://poe2db.tw/us/passive-skill-tree/AAAABgcBgf0Vwl8wyMAlCykioxxOmSQSg0md2f8a...
how does this tree look for archmage?
proud canopy
then yeah def not for attack totems
warped jackal
Any of you changed your mind on what to build?
frail jay
nah
tender oasis
you know wut im rolling bloodmage and not planning
undone ingot
how does this tree look for archmage?
archmage gem is gated behind pinnacle bosses fyi
muted charm
this is why deadeye is kinda meh
frail jay
it turns out that my build is insane and the passive tree is perfectly designed for it
proud canopy
its not, its capped at the positive value
where'd that get confirmed btw
frail jay
Everything is great
muted charm
couldn't outright say it
cinder raven
archmage gem is gated behind pinnacle bosses fyi
bro what
hoary bolt
invoker still?
cinder raven
thats bs
lofty grotto
Litteraly kills it's use with Snipe. It promotes use of attack speed/tailwind for less cooldown.
proud canopy
I mean archmage is kind of a nutty gem
plain solar
the description of the on kill effect
its alive |!! https://poe2db.tw/us/passive-skill-tree/
unreal girder
Which skills even use endurance charges besides infernal cry?
undone ingot
where'd that get confirmed btw
you can only cut up to t13
cinder raven
whats the drop chance?
undone ingot
the items that is
proud canopy
oh I meant negative armor
frigid hill
Building defences on tree looks difficult
proud canopy
just recent?
undone ingot
oh I meant negative armor
oh the tooltips are on poe2db, one sec
undone ingot
just recent?
yeah few hours ago
lofty grotto
Which skills even use endurance charges besides infernal cry?
You can endurance charge => frenzy charge with keystone
proud canopy
hmmmm interestink
proud canopy
yeah but it changes opportunity cost of more armor break in tree
undone ingot
true
hoary bolt
it turns out that my build is insane and the passive tree is perfectly designed ...
just out of curiosity what are you running?
muted charm
I'm still sad how dirty chaos dots got done
proud canopy
I'm contemplating armor break + totems
undone ingot
also on low armour bosses it might be advantageous to skip that node and pick up the minion on totem node and use their life to buff skills
muted charm
maybe they'll revisit
frigid hill
imo armour break warbringer looks bad 😦
proud canopy
so maybe very little on tree is worth with totems
lofty grotto
Wait, whole tree? Wow
Time to dig in
undone ingot
imo armour break warbringer looks bad 😦
couldnt disagree with you more
sunder is going to eat up the mid game
undone ingot
well armour break is what makes sunder good
prime raft
does breaking armour stack ? like if i break 1000 armour...then i hit again for another 1000 break are they -2000 armour ?
undone ingot
oh i see
frigid hill
but we can disagree, thats fine
undone ingot
does breaking armour stack ? like if i break 1000 armour...then i hit again for ...
yes
proud canopy
I mean I think for totem it probably isn't worth to take turtle charm
tender oasis
uh should we be scared?
proud canopy
so might as well take neg armor imo
cinder raven
doedre damning + whispers of doom = 3 curse on enemy at once?
frigid hill
yes
tender oasis
if dreaming is in poe2
frigid hill
Blasphemy kinda harsh cost though
native widget
100/122
undone ingot
how do u know this, where do u see this
cause thats how it worked in playtest and thats how all the build up effects work. additionally, you get 3 times as much armour break vs normal mobs and double vs magic
frail jay
Give it to me 
frigid hill
expedition 🤢
cinder raven
Blasphemy kinda harsh cost though
90 spirit is all right
proud canopy
though like the ghosts from warbringer totem should inherit 10% armor break right
undone ingot
doedre damning + whispers of doom = 3 curse on enemy at once?
yes
proud canopy
the way its written
frigid hill
90 spirit is all right
60 per curse now
prime raft
cause thats how it worked in playtest and thats how all the build up effects wor...
so if i break 1000 armour on a normal mob, he gets -3000 ?
shut wyvern
guys how mom works with es? mobs will hit ES 1st and mana after . am i right?
frail jay
expedition 🤢
Get ready to spam Rog because Rog gear is going to be insane compared to everything else
frigid hill
Get ready to spam Rog because Rog gear is going to be insane compared to everyth...
exactly
undone ingot
though like the ghosts from warbringer totem should inherit 10% armor break righ...
im really unsure how they work except that they inherit totem life
rich gust
will transformation skills (bear form/wolf form) be in early access
proud canopy
oh they have their own life?
cinder raven
60 per curse now
ah fuck
proud canopy
that is interesting too
frigid hill
so if i break 1000 armour on a normal mob, he gets -3000 ?
no
tender oasis
welp there goes the passivetree links lol
undone ingot
keen dagger
Am I missing something or is the Invoker Spirit passive complete dog shit?
proud canopy
yeah I can work with all this
frail jay
Am I missing something or is the Invoker Spirit passive complete dog shit?
it's called not equipping a sceptre
undone ingot
frigid hill
Your breaks count for 3x, not the cap
keen dagger
I mean you can get +70 spirit from body armor mod alone
frigid hill
so 334 armour break breaks 1k
prime raft
Your breaks count for 3x, not the cap
huh
keen dagger
High level es/evasion armor have like 200 evasion/100 es
frail jay
I mean you can get +70 spirit from body armor mod alone
or you can... get a different mod
native widget
Am I missing something or is the Invoker Spirit passive complete dog shit?
lmao what?
undone ingot
pretty sure thats what he asked but w/e
frigid hill
He said -3000
prime raft
so 334 armour break breaks 1k
yea so 1000 armour break breaks 3000 ?
frigid hill
Yes but not into the negatives
prime raft
ok
frigid hill
It says it's capped by their base
sleek forum
So eldritch battery banned or no?
undone ingot
ok fair yeah, -3000 down to their minimum amount
prime raft
how long duration is armour break ? do we know
undone ingot
6 seconds
prime raft
does it refresh or its like additive but separate timers
pastel forge
frigid hill
we dont have that information for negative armour break
pastel forge
frail jay
High level es/evasion armor have like 200 evasion/100 es
ok? In PoE1 you get +350 evasion +80 ES and then 150% increased and 20% more on the body so that's 1650 evasion and 540 ES or like 200 spirit
frail jay
me over here with 223% 
plush kite
where do you guys get the tooltip info and where do i get one for bleed?
distant glade
My eye of winter bloodmage looks worse :/ I don’t even wanna play bloodmage now lol
I’ve changed my mind like 10 times bro
foggy thicket
if im holding a staff that adds +5 to all minon, then i summon minon, then if i swap weapon, does minion lose 5 levls?do you know how it works?
undone ingot
where do you guys get the tooltip info and where do i get one for bleed?
poe2db.tw and
keen dagger
??? With 3 prefixes, unless you don't take life, the most you can get is around +100 and +100%
frail jay
??? With 3 prefixes, unless you don't take life, the most you can get is around ...
is there a poe2 mod list?
keen dagger
Yes
warped jackal
someone who looked over the skill tree, can you tell me chonk poison will be still a good build? Im a noob so idk how to look
muted charm
kinda low. i have like 300 with up to 500 conditional
hmmmmm theres no way to build crit outside of monk/sorc is there :
languid oasis
mod list where
keen dagger
Unless it counts bonuses from passives
distant glade
Think frostbomb + frostwall will be a good set up for chrono early? With the 33% reset node
native widget
fuuuccck
undone ingot
hmmmmm theres no way to build crit outside of monk/sorc is there :
im sure there is, i just dont need to with sunder
frail jay
someone who looked over the skill tree, can you tell me chonk poison will be sti...
Eh I wouldn't play it but I imagine it works
frail jay
they nerfed shock
how?
native widget
its 20% increase damage now
languid oasis
they nerfed shock
what did they do
native widget
🤮
frail jay
Get fucked lightning conduit
muted charm
im sure there is, i just dont need to with sunder
yeah i think that's the goal like move it away from a passive tree choice
frail jay
I only care about shock for my energy generation anyways
modern heart
hey guys anyone else going flicker strike can tell me if the quarterstaff node on the tree works when ur at 0 power charges and if u can cast flicker at 0 charges since it doesnt mention anything
languid oasis
hey guys anyone else going flicker strike can tell me if the quarterstaff node o...
which one
languid oasis
+1 charge one?
muted charm
which makes sense because crit damage works for hybrid
warped jackal
Eh I wouldn't play it but I imagine it works
Good enough for me, i will just go for it
languid oasis
i dont think so cuz it didnt consume a charge
undone ingot
is there a poe2 mod list?
looks like its being loaded in as we speak. the 2h mace mod list is complete
languid oasis
eow for crit weakness and the forced crit combo buff
native widget
now it last 4 seconds instead of 2
frail jay
Good enough for me, i will just go for it
heads up if you do play it I would recommend trying to land big poisons with high velocity rounds on the crossbow, I think that's what I was eyeing for chonk poison
undone ingot
Leech on suffixes. FUCK YES MY FRIENDS
stuck iris
anyone have any predictions on which Merc Ascendancy Might be better for an explody merc?
proud canopy
like grenades?
frail jay
light radius 
stuck iris
grenades and explosive shot
proud canopy
my gut says deadeye will just be better for it
frigid hill
imo witchhunter
abstract meadow
i might try xbow chronomancer grenades, constant spam. dunno fi mana can be solved for yet tho, prob start something simpler
bold raft
anyone have any predictions on which Merc Ascendancy Might be better for an expl...
Witchhunter because it has that node allowing enemies to explode
stuck iris
imo witchhunter
because of the extra 10% chance for more explode?
frigid hill
concentration too
prime raft
anyone know ancestral warriors crit chance ?
native widget
did they rename staff to staves lmao
frail jay
frigid hill
deadeye looks fine too, i'd miss the on-death explosions though
abstract meadow
what is energy?
half ingot
Leech on suffixes. FUCK YES MY FRIENDS
link this
muted charm
Ranger looks like shes not allowed to touch crits 😦
warped jackal
heads up if you do play it I would recommend trying to land big poisons with hig...
But then i will ditch the quarterstaff and some unarmed skills? And the high velocity is bcs of the mana leech proc i am guessing
undone ingot
cinder raven
So is EB on poe2db correct?
muted charm
shadow/mnonk
half ingot
https://poe2db.tw/us/Two_Hand_Maces
ty brother
stuck iris
now I just need to figure out how to remap the keybinds onto my azeron Cyborg... I plan to lean heavily into the WASD movement but that messes with how I was mapping my ctrl, alt, and shift keys
half ingot
also available on rings
did u find any ele leech?
undone ingot
probably
native widget
lmfao
undone ingot
did u find any ele leech?
nah
royal badge
Would Snipe be better with bleed or just maximum crit dmg?
modern heart
it doesnt say i need power charge for base casting
spring jackal
Is mana leech easy to get like PoE1? Or will we need to use the flasks?
frail jay
But then i will ditch the quarterstaff and some unarmed skills? And the high vel...
Just in general the leech means you want more physical damage and there's a lot more good physical options on bow/crossbow compared to quarterstaff. Also, attacking from range lets you keep your leech up better, no downtime moving into melee and can avoid ground degens better. For poisons you still want a hard hitting skill since you'll only get 3 stacks, and high velocity hits very hard vs armor broken target so you can have a second skill you use to armor break and poison with corrosion support and then you shoot them with high velocity to apply a huge poison.
vivid meadow
Any Invoker ideas?
modern heart
so i just go that + 1 node
frail jay
And then they die and the poison prolifs with plague herald or w/e
frigid hill
many invoker ideas
modern heart
and i have perma 2 strike
drowsy crane
am i missing something or does this mean you actually can / want to? run eb + mom + ci
vivid meadow
many invoker ideas
I thought about full lightning but no idea on how to get enough powercharge gen
half ingot
am i missing something or does this mean you actually can / want to? run eb + mo...
eb lowers ur ehp pool 99 out of 100 times
cuz inc es is not applied anymore
to old es
vivid meadow
am i missing something or does this mean you actually can / want to? run eb + mo...
Remember %ES should apply after conversion
half ingot
that u converted to mana
drowsy crane
ahhh
drowsy crane
would've been kinda funny to run around with 15k mana or whatever
frigid hill
I thought about full lightning but no idea on how to get enough powercharge gen
havent looked into that myself, but other peeps talked about it. u can search / scroll up
native widget
OH WOW
rich dawn
can i use cast on "something" to trigger ember fusillade with tempest fury
warped jackal
Just in general the leech means you want more physical damage and there's a lot ...
Okay i get it more now. I appreciate it man! Guess this is the way
native widget
you can get spirit modifier on body armor
cinder raven
Wait divine flesh with EB, MOM and CI seems cracked af
frail jay
Reminder that ignite is a dead meme
plain solar
elemental ailments inclued what in poe2?
bold raft
Reminder that ignite is a dead meme
That's gonna go well with infernal doggo
undone ingot
Reminder that ignite is a dead meme
lol thats tiny
modern heart
if i generate endurance charge ( and have ferocity support ) do i gain frenzy or not
languid oasis
it doesnt say i need power charge for base casting
you don't need it to cast but i think it only triggers if it actually consumes a charge. not sure tho we'll find out
unreal girder
Anyone else feel like going phys dmg at least early on attack builds is the way to go for easier leech?
undone ingot
Anyone else feel like going phys dmg at least early on attack builds is the way ...
yes, but also for more stun build up and easier access to damage penetration in the form of armour break
languid oasis
at laest for chayula monk i feel like poison is the best way
cinder raven
Is this there fr??
sinful gull
And that's why I'm going Hulk Warrior 
modern heart
you don't need it to cast but i think it only triggers if it actually consumes a...
ur saying this node? will only work if i consume atleast one
prime raft
i wonder if ancestral warrior totem is one hand weapon or 2 hand weapon
undone ingot
thats the thing tho, any chalupa monk poison stuff would probably be better on pathfinder
modern heart
just something that do
frail jay
Oh there goes my build 
lofty grotto
ok, poison seems dogshit
max 6 stacks
time to drop Pathfinder idea
languid oasis
ur saying this node? will only work if i consume atleast one
i think so but you might be right
undone ingot
yeah poison seems kinda bad rn
silent zealot
What is the website for the skil tree?
unreal girder
yes, but also for more stun build up and easier access to damage penetration in ...
Yep, Im pretty decided on going armour pierce high velocity xbows, just cant decide betweem warbringer and witch hunter
modern heart
i think so but you might be right
lets pray
plain solar
rough kelp
How many points should I be investing ? for build
modern heart
also im pretty sure duelist and mecenary start in the same place
undone ingot
Yep, Im pretty decided on going armour pierce high velocity xbows, just cant dec...
oh thats a cool idea. yeah im just going warbringer slams
languid oasis
im literally depressed they removed harmonic generator
modern heart
there is armour node on left and proj damage node on right
languid oasis
idk what to do now
cursive cloud
any details on how negative armor will work yet?
native widget
Oh there goes my build <a:AINTNAURWAY:1146895513589907536>
lmao what kinda trashass effect is that
languid oasis
any details on how negative armor will work yet?
only that it only goes up to - base armour
undone ingot
How many points should I be investing ? for build
you'll probably finish the campaign with around 90 points
frail jay
lmao what kinda trashass effect is that
it'd still be fine if it didn't have the CD, I was planning on proccing it like 20 times per second
native widget
it'd still be fine if it didn't have the CD, I was planning on proccing it like ...
1s cd 
eternal pilot
there is armour node on left and proj damage node on right
is there better passive tree nodes out now? like websites and stuff
native widget
on a shit effect
frail jay
It's fine I'll just use lightning conduit instead
native widget
frfr
languid oasis
i think us poe 1 players need to stop trying to make things reliable and automated lol
frail jay
it's basically the same thing
rough kelp
you'll probably finish the campaign with around 90 points
Great thanks Ive reached 80 rn so am still good
languid oasis
conditional damage is more ok in poe 2
undone ingot
conditional damage is more ok in poe 2
yeah im coming to that conclusion myself
lofty grotto
all poison skills in the game currently, there's not lot to work with
frail jay
all poison skills in the game currently, there's not lot to work with
most of those aren't poison skills
undone ingot
all poison skills in the game currently, there's not lot to work with
any chaos or phys dmg hit skill can be a poison skill
muted charm
all poison skills in the game currently, there's not lot to work with
all phys skills can poison
all chaos skills can poison
frail jay
^
undone ingot
im pretty sure hexblast poison is going to pop right the fuck off but someone else needs to figure it out
frail jay
the skills that "make a poison cloud" are probably just area chaos dots and don't actually apply the poison ailment
icy dirge
is this real and does it mean what I think it means?
half ingot
is there any source of elemental leech that u guys found so far?
muted charm
I'm so glad damage numbers got toned the fuck down
frail jay
im pretty sure hexblast poison is going to pop right the fuck off but someone el...
hexblast ST is poop
plain solar
is this real and does it mean what I think it means?
daaaaam wasnt 50%?
undone ingot
hexblast ST is poop
yeah thats the problem isnt it
undone ingot
i dont think so?
frail jay
I think you can do bonestorm poison pretty well if you want spell poison
plain solar
only main skills with gemling
muted charm
also fartfinder looks as overpowered as people expected
frail jay
Gemling 
royal badge
Is Acrobatics just bad?
frail jay
probably
muted charm
so does warbringer
frail jay
it looks like it ate a massive nerfg
muted charm
people were right to fear them
unreal girder
i dont think so?
Then why do they have quality effects
frail jay
Then why do they have quality effects
Gemling ascendancy
royal badge
Damn. I feel like pure Evasion build is not good then
undone ingot
Then why do they have quality effects
lol do they? i could be 100% wrong
languid oasis
lmaoo
languid oasis
lol do they? i could be 100% wrong
they do
unreal girder
lol do they? i could be 100% wrong
languid oasis
and the quality seems pretty good too
undone ingot
lol thats hot
frigid hill
imo not a fan of sorcery ward unless u have phys taken as ele
unreal girder
Really cant decide between WH and warbringer for phys xbows
undone ingot
also bonestorm is straight up worse in everyway to hexblast for poison lol
royal badge
If I’m understanding evasion correctly: since it now works on spells in poe2, I would need to avoid stepping in aoe and getting one shot?
pastel forge
its 20% increase damage now
shock is fixed 20%?
unreal girder
If I’m understanding evasion correctly: since it now works on spells in poe2, I ...
Yes
native widget
shock is fixed 20%?
well, not fixed
frail jay
seeing how many energy supports there are I feel like invoker is going to be fucking broken
royal badge
Ty
icy dirge
I feel like thats not true at all. Maybe im completely wrong but a full evasion build sounds so dumb
native widget
you can still modify it with shock magnitude
royal badge
Can someone tell me if I’m crazy for wanting to take both Careful Consideration and Escape Plan?
undone ingot
I feel like thats not true at all. Maybe im completely wrong but a full evasion ...
evasion is one of those defensive stats that doenst really shine until you have a HUGE amount of it
pastel forge
oh? so shock magnitude is the scaling for shock?
languid oasis
unreal girder
I need to know how high we can take armour and evasion for sorc ward
frail jay
evasion is one of those defensive stats that doenst really shine until you have ...
just get the invoker node that makes it armor too 
frigid hill
pretty sure magnitude doesnt scale shock
icy dirge
If one node says you cant be hit and another just gives 100% extra evasion for not getting hit, and theres a bunch of those around. It feels pretty busted
undone ingot
well there again, we dont know what the pdr transfer is
half ingot
man
frail jay
pretty sure magnitude doesnt scale shock
???
royal badge
Without immortal call maybe pure evasion is not great
languid oasis
20/20 is every 0.91 seconds
half ingot
I hope theres a unique that enables elemental attack leech
languid oasis
pretty sure magnitude doesnt scale shock
what does it scale then
frail jay
pretty sure magnitude doesnt scale shock
undone ingot
just mana pot 🙃
half ingot
otherwise I am stuck playing whirling assault or flicker if it will be good without charges
frigid hill
i mean that wording certainly suggests im wrong
native widget
pretty sure magnitude doesnt scale shock
you high as fuck
undone ingot
you high as fuck
me too buddy, me too
languid oasis
is a quarterstaff a staff?
half ingot
pretty sure magnitude doesnt scale shock
then what would it scale?
icy turtle
is a quarterstaff a staff?
at least 25% of one
half ingot
is a quarterstaff a staff?
separate category
icy dirge
If this is right, you can get insane amounts of physical damage reduction
native widget
this seems stupid to be on the quarterstaff area then
why
frail jay
it's a quarter of a staff so you get 7.5%
languid oasis
the staff part, if quartstaves arent staffs
languid oasis
fair so it probably does work
half ingot
https://poe2db.tw/us/Leech#Acronym
rip no elemental leech at all
sleek niche
any bloodmage enjoyers?
half ingot
why cucking me like that ggg?
undone ingot
this seems stupid to be on the quarterstaff area then
wym that looks like a good node
languid oasis
wym that looks like a good node
just the staff part
abstract fossil
does critical hit chance apply to both spells and attacks?
undone ingot
just the staff part
quarterstave is a staff
native widget
what does Gem tier mean?
just means what tier of uncut gem you need to make it
languid oasis
what does Gem tier mean?
uncut gems drop with a tier and then you can inscribe it based on that
muted charm
I think the point of the new passive tree is that you can have a terrible tree
native widget
but ofc endgame it will all be lvl 20 uncut gems
muted charm
and just get all your damage from gear
languid oasis
quarterstave is a staff
wasnt sure if this was the case
languid oasis
I think the point of the new passive tree is that you can have a terrible tree
for the newbies that will fuck up their tree
apparently its meant to be harder for poe 1 players...
livid ridge
Im still banking on ball lightning being good
languid oasis
Tree does look a bit hsit
or at least a lot more straightforward and less game breaking
muted charm
Im still banking on ball lightning being good
ball lightning good trust
numbers very high
languid oasis
i guess its just more obvious you take the nodes that seem good and dont get penalised for not meeting breakpoints/combos
livid ridge
Im just lost on what to use for single target
muted charm
glavanic field duh
its the most brain dead carbon copy of a poe1 build ever
and i love it for it
eternal pilot
what abilities consumes endurance charges in poe 2? I dont quite understand how those work
vagrant hollow
Can someone smart tell me how to build an acolyte monk that focuses on chaos damage. This passive skill is is pretty much made for a MOM / CI / EB monk build
muted charm
Can someone smart tell me how to build an acolyte monk that focuses on chaos dam...
you dont you focus on geneirc melee damage
rough kelp
Should I focus on some more dmg node aswell instead of increased or its fine
native widget
Can someone smart tell me how to build an acolyte monk that focuses on chaos dam...
lmao i wonder what would happen if you take this node with MoM EB CI
lusty lynx
What should I pick guys? I have to choose between pathfinder and one of the merc ascendancies
I really love how the merc looks and probably plays(also the idea of a machine gun and grenades are really cool) but the ascendancies looks very general purpose and I'm afraid I might mess up something trying to build it properly
Pathfinder is the obvious backup choice for me since I always wanted to play a poison build in poe1 but couldn't because I'd always mess it up
native widget
maybe you just get it for free?
vagrant hollow
you dont you focus on geneirc melee damage
So just go straight phys?
warped jackal
Poison could work with chaos too right?
unreal girder
No info about anything on the ancestral spirit gem 😦
honest karma
Lose life on ci probably means you instadie
rough kelp
Also different dmg type aka spell,phys,proj adds on top of each other?
muted charm
So just go straight phys?
just go melee
native widget
it prob just round to 0
silent zealot
Is armor break an ailment?
vagrant hollow
just go melee
So things id target on the tree would be stuff like attack damage, phys damage, attack speed, chaos damage?
shrewd socket
want to play a pure chaos build. what witch ascendancy should i pick?
frail jay
Has anyone else looked at the fucking mana costs of skills
warped jackal
you can't really make a poison monk work
Why not? Use a high velocity crossbow for the attack speed
frail jay
what is this
muted charm
So things id target on the tree would be stuff like attack damage, phys damage, ...
no attack damage no chaos damage
target niether
frail jay
Stormweaver is tempting me back
muted charm
crit damage
attack speed
attack damage
stave damage
the damage if dealt a crit recently is really stronk for chonk
muted charm
Stormweaver is tempting me back
the fact taht the other classes don't have their unqiue starts yet
hurts them a lot compared to witch/sorc
i know they were tight on time
but comon
vagrant hollow
Will chaos damage basically do nothing since there aren't any monk chaos skills besides hand of chayula?
muted charm
i think warrior has his
vagrant hollow
Unless you add like chaos damage added to a phys skill or something I guess
muted charm
but merc and ranger definetly don't
languid oasis
how to generate power charges on a boss?
or do we only use power charges for clear
silent prawn
how to generate power charges on a boss?
Offerings
muted charm
how to generate power charges on a boss?
mark
silent prawn
Siphoning strike
muted charm
you can use snipers mark i think it is on flciker if you crit consistantly
languid oasis
you can use snipers mark i think it is on flciker if you crit consistantly
thats frenzy charges no?
wintry prism
I have no idea about the game is it possible to play the witch without minions and like a sword or something 😅
opaque jungle
I want to build like a trigger monk but I got nfi what im doing, do I need to work up to + spelldmg and ignore staff attack just using it to proc crit? Or am i thinking incorrectly?
frail jay
I have no idea about the game is it possible to play the witch without minions a...
sure
well no sword
frail jay
yet
muted charm
What the fuck <:KEKL:938540034276065370>
everyone begged for this to be how this skiill worked on release
they finally gave it to us
wintry prism
well no sword
So no melee weapons in general
muted charm
yeah cause increased damage effects ignites
frail jay
So no melee weapons in general
no there's just no sword in the start of early access, melee weapon are maces and quarterstaff atm
solemn marsh
no one doing minions? since bind spectre is bugged
muted charm
also can i be toxic now @frail jay
silent prawn
Sad there is no minion life support ...
snow sierra
What the fuck <:KEKL:938540034276065370>
Thats insane