2┃build-planning

[fiery pendant]

i somehow doubt that they would give us an easy 100% (or infinite) more spell damage

[thorny path]

increased

someone posted a screenshot yesterday

[frail jay]

apparently it gives you +4 spell gem levels and more cast speed and some other stuff

[maiden karma]

I really want to do ED/contagion, but would demon form be better than gemling

[frail jay]

or TBH maybe that's what it gives you at 10 stacks it's supposed to ramp right?

[maiden karma]

Wait but demon disables your weapons

Does that mean you lose stats from them?

[thorny path]

yeah

GGG doesn't like that so they're looking into it

[maiden karma]

That's shit then

Gemling it is

[flat mantle]

Hey guys PoE noob here, I was thinking of going permafrost bolts -> frag rounds ignite(frostfire) -> galvanic shards(stormfire) with bolts on merc. Do you think this is viable?

[thorny path]

A shapeshift focused on spellcasting never really made sense with how the Bear form was presented, it really should be reworked into a buff skill instead

being a shapeshift serves no purpose except cool demon transformation

[fiery pendant]

but then you won't have edgy witch dialogue

too. much. clutter.

[maiden karma]

Yeah but I got some funky theme appropriate mtx which I won't see in demon form

[thorny path]

Could be, you should just try it and see how it goes

[fiery pendant]

i just had an idea, weapon swap to a scepter with skeletons, power offering, swap to skill that consumes charges, swap again to bypass respawn cooldown?

[maiden karma]

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[fiery pendant]

lmao

[frail jay]

How does this seem conceptually

[sharp terrace]

in poe 1 skill combos arent a thing so we are all kinda reasoning with having 1 big skills and maybe some side triggers. Maybe it's very good in poe2 tho

[flat mantle]

Yeah I am just not sure if going with 3 different ailments is a good idea

Maybe I chuck shock and just scale ignite

[thick thunder]

What do yall think of poison hammer of the gods with corrosion to break armor fast?

On bosses

[flat mantle]

and use frostfire to buff ignites

[thorny path]

Doing literally no damage for 5-10+ seconds just for charges is not the play

[sharp terrace]

there are ways to exploit applying multiple ailments in poe1 but im not sure in poe2. Unless we get some gear exploiting that it's probably best to focus on 1.

[maiden karma]

Weapon swap is a thing tho

[sharp terrace]

great point actually

[rancid frost]

do we know if weapon swapping away from scepter "kills" minions, i.e. counts as a minion death

[frail jay]

if the spirit goes away they were reserved on yes

[sharp terrace]

weapon swap might enable just that

[maiden karma]

Can run dedicated ignite and shock crossbows for example

[rancid frost]

i know they disappear, but do they count as killed

[frail jay]

doubt it

[thorny path]

It is not a minion death

[rancid frost]

kk ty

[flat mantle]

ahh yeas i forgot about weapon swap. Maybe a good idea. But I like having freeze just as a defensive option because merc doesn't have too much physical defense

[hushed mirage]

is Broken armor a debuff that reduces their defence or a primer that can be procked? Basically is it worth it to break armor and consume it vs break armor and dealing damage with that

[thorny path]

It's both

It's worth doing for either reason

[real comet]

Path finder crossbow poison cloud poison stacking? maybe could work but idk

[hushed mirage]

So if I'm playing with a duo it'd be a better idea to leave them armor broken until last second right? Do we know how long it lasts?

[thorny path]

Yeah if you can time it right, I wouldn't really plan to do that consistently

[fiery pendant]

any way to break armor with spells?

[thorny path]

idk the duration

[thorny path]

There's a support that works with any physical damage, so physical spells can

[maiden karma]

Warbringer

[rancid frost]

warbringer + poison damage + corrosion support

• splinter

[maiden karma]

Bruh

Warbringer is actually more of a bloodmage than bloodmage if you think about it

[rancid frost]

lol tbh i think its being slept on

starting it

[dry burrow]

How are y’all building invoker

[flat rain]

What happens if you take mind over matter + blood magic?

[maiden karma]

The funny thing about warbringer's node is that all damage breaks armour, including non phys

[thorny path]

you beat the game

[fiery pendant]

Alva appears and runs your pockets

[rancid frost]

yeah was thinking would be a good way to tee up phys minions could ball lightning or something to get shock + broken armour at once

[maiden karma]

Didn't even consider that

[cinder river]

Having never played POE... How important is it that I build into bleed or frost or poison?

Are there goign to be certain ailments that are musts?

My current plan is to build into High Health, Physical Damage (grenades) and have tons of regen and leech.

Will I be losing alot by ignoring ailments?

I was planning to build into armor break as a secondary skill to my grenades

[hushed mirage]

5689 for early game since having more proc skills is never a bad idea, then probably going into meta gems and hit quickly to build up energy

[frail jay]

Either incendiary shot to charge multiple elemental invocations, or some sort of BL + Lightning Storm triggering Cast on Shock something that hits fast (EoW?) with Elemental Discharge and EI Comet.

[maiden karma]

Ailments are not mandatory at all, but with how many 6 links you get now you might as well carry around a shock or freeze button for when you need one

[cerulean bear]

Is there any reason archmage wouldn't work with chaos dot?

[hushed mirage]

is not imperative but you always want an extra modifier, cold is an extra defensive mod since enemy slowed/frozen = enemy that can't hit you, bleed and poison are more damage modifiers and it's not a bad idea to have one of those or ignite or shock, is just another way to scale damage
No ailment is a must, they're all good in their on regards as far as PoE 1 goes, we can't tell yet in PoE 2 (at least noy myself)
Not a bad plan tbh
Not losing a lot, it just all depends on how everything works on PoE 2
Not a bad idea for beefier enemies! Granades = good AoE so you gotta have something for good Single Target

[fiery pendant]

if you are new just stick to the plan (also be sure to cap your elemental resistances), you will have time to add more complexity to your build afterwards

[maiden karma]

Added damage doesn't work on damage over time

[cerulean bear]

Is that a fact? or just based on poe1

[rustic salmon]

Does anyone know what the maximum action reduction is? RE: Chronomancer + Temporal Chains + Chill etc.

[distant dome]

Looking for other spells to take advantage of cast while channeling. Wouldn't this be a decent AoE Bleed target for Blood Mage?

[maiden karma]

Both

[fiery pendant]

0 with the pause button

[rustic salmon]

Not exactly what I had in mind lol

[frail jay]

ya

[haughty sluice]

Be aussie, wake up on fridy..... POT2 not released Oh thats right

[distant dome]

also, when it says "200% more damge per stage" is that exponential? O.o

[frail jay]

no

[distant dome]

I'm assuming all the "more" adds together, then multiplies

cuz that's sane

[frail jay]

X per Y the X is additive with itself

[trail rampart]

Its additive unless it specificaly sais its multiplicative

[distant dome]

gud

[frail jay]

Is there any case where X per Y has X multiplicative with itself?

I don't think that is ever the case

[fiery pendant]

energy being shared between meta gems makes me sad

[distant dome]

Irrelevant for me, I'm new to PoE sorta

[frail jay]

huh?

[trail rampart]

Cast on dead -> portal

[distant dome]

So I was just figuring out the limits on "More"

[rancid frost]

this isn't the case no?

otherwise triggers are broken

[tender oasis]

not necssaily

[fiery pendant]

maybe i read it wrong

[frail jay]

what did you read

[tender oasis]

it might just combine the drain

[trail rampart]

What you guys think on cluster bomb skill for witch hunter

[rancid frost]

tbh everything is viable

[trail rampart]

I think it may be cool for clearing but im not sure about bossing.

[fiery pendant]

seems like a pain for clearing no? you have to wait for detonation, and then wait again for the secondary detonations

[trail rampart]

Probably unless you want to clear the endgame pinacle boss. You probably gonna need a serious build for that.

[proven quest]

Did we confirm that elemental damage contributes to bleed magnitude= can bleed?

[maiden karma]

CI bloodmage

[trail rampart]

Explosive shot

[frail jay]

what?

[rancid frost]

touche

[fiery pendant]

does that trigger the secondary explosions?

[maiden karma]

No but apparently spells can cause bleeding now, which the 10% of damage as extra phys will help with

[trail rampart]

Not sure. As i understand the subsequent explosions are a trigger uppon the main bomb exploding so it should

[fiery pendant]

CI bloodmage is playable if you gigasupport basic attacks

[haughty sluice]

guys im curious how does armour work in POE2? like if i go blood mage could i wear like heavy armour? is is armours class spercific?

[runic peak]

I plan on doing my first build mostly blind by myself. But I'm curious about some initial thoughts on what kind of build would make good use of the Giants Blood notable passove

[summer pasture]

Increases add together then multiply, each instance of more multiplys individuallt

[frail jay]

When you deal damage, if you have bleed chance and proc bleed, the base bleed damage is calculated from all the damage you deal that can contribute to bleed magnitude

Which is normally just phys

[trail rampart]

Sunder HOTG with bleed or something like that

[frail jay]

he was talking about an X more per Y mod which is always additive with itself

[fiery pendant]

strength stacker gemling? that way you only ever pump strength

[summer pasture]

Oh

[proven quest]

Blood mage doesn’t specifically say elemental damage adds to chance to bleed, just magnitude so I didn’t know if magnitude included chance

[frail jay]

no chance for poison/bleed comes from flat chance on things like support gems and passives

[proven quest]

10% sounds low in order to apply, no?

[trail rampart]

Gemling str stacker might be craY good for minions though lol

[runic peak]

I was thinking warrior and that 50% buff to small passives

[tender oasis]

also just relized sanguimancy adds a life cost to the spell cast

[frail jay]

no damage inherently has bleed chance

[flat mantle]

I have another question. I was looking at fragmentation rounds and incendiary shots. If I were to freeze an enemy with permafrost bolts first, which skill would be better to pop the freeze and deal damage after. Frag rounds does 300% damage to a frozen while popping the freeze and incendiary shots with frostfire applies a 100% more effective ignite.

[frail jay]

or poison chance

[tender oasis]

doenst say it removes mana cost

[maiden karma]

You just need enough strength to wear them

[trail rampart]

Its been confirmed by leakers to not work on the stat nodes

[summer pasture]

Travel nodes don't count as passives right?

Oh well my question is have been answered

[trail rampart]

I got told this by various people in genera

[proven quest]

Oh interesting, is that new info? Poe2 wiki still says poison and bleed work like ignite

[fiery pendant]

giants blood specifically is very good with gems that benefit from dual wielding, things like sunder that hit twice

[maiden karma]

Bleed and poison use the old flat % chance system

[trail rampart]

Agree, im gonna try this day 1

[distant dome]

flat % chance, and no stacking of bleeds right?

[haughty sluice]

amazing so in theory i can go a bloodmage then build strength and dexterity to be like a swordsman?

[frail jay]

what poe2 wiki, and it's pretty obvious just from reading skills

[tender oasis]

bloodmage with blood magic is the go to combo

[open star]

Anyone planning anything cool for monk? I’m hoping to check out the tree and figure it out along the way. Was hoping to use some blind/ice/poison combo.

[trail rampart]

Everyone i see talking about monk just wants to fliker rofl

[proven quest]

Poe2wiki.net

[maiden karma]

Yup, although there won't be swords on EA launch so you'll have to live with just maces for a bit

[open star]

Oh I would never

[tender oasis]

you would

[haughty sluice]

amazing :3 tbh i wanted like an armoured lancer guy with a spear but ill need to wait haha

[open star]

Never did in poe1 won’t do it in 2

[frail jay]

yeah this is just wrong I think

[trail rampart]

I want to play the game not insta TP to boss while killing the entire map in 1 nanosecon xd

[proven quest]

Do we have any source for that, or just what @frail jay said?

[distant dome]

just be aware that a lot of the stuff only works on spell cast. Crit damage stuff works on attacks tho

[maiden karma]

You're in luck then cause huntress and druid will be the next 2 classes

[trail rampart]

On the ziz interview they talked about reworking how spell crit works

[haughty sluice]

yeah well i can only get 4 perks so i assume id have one spell for life steal and then stack crit and attack sped and amour

[trail rampart]

Based on projectile

Not on spell

[haughty sluice]

amazing!

[open star]

Especially being brand new, I just want to RP a specific character and make him into whatever I want. No meta builds and relying on OP content

[maiden karma]

Leech is the only spell exclusive node on bloodmage

[frail jay]

Reading what things do makes it really obvious. The only skills with bleeding have flat added chance. The only support gem with bleed chance has flat added chance. The bloodmage node only applies magnitude and not chance while the ignite node on infernalist for non-fire damage applies chance and magnitude.

Same with poison

[runic peak]

well. imo that makes it a dead ascendency point

[haughty sluice]

yeah if i can get 1 or 2 spells to use with melee build thats the idea... lese mayube a witch hunter lancer for additional damage

[trail rampart]

Go to youtube and watch a fliker strike build hahaha its like watching a slot machine play itself

[maiden karma]

Your opinion is wrong 🗿

[tender oasis]

the bloodmage ascdency adds health cost to the skill and still keeps the mana cost

[runic peak]

probably. never attempted to make my own build before

[distant dome]

oh, for some reason I thought blood barbs stated spell too

my b

[trail rampart]

Imo now we take the heavy stun nodes + the 20% chance to repeat a slam 4th points deoend on what you need

[distant dome]

huge

[fiery pendant]

wouldn't recommend splitting focus bethween attacks and spells, for example a weak spell won't leech anything of worth. For melee blood mage specifically you could pick the crit damage, the delay damage over 4 seconds and the energy shield to life

[tender oasis]

blood barbs is generic

[haughty sluice]

same here

[frail jay]

TBh that does make it a good bit weaker, not a crazy amount though

[tender oasis]

aparently there is spell leech on the tree

[hushed mirage]

What's the diff between stun and heavy stun?

[haughty sluice]

yeah we can get 4 points tho so what should i go for the 4th?

also ty for advise cioomplete nube here to POE

[frail jay]

heavy stun weighs more

[open star]

I’ve seen way too many times lol. Instant no for me

[trail rampart]

For life yes, for mana noou

[maiden karma]

Weaker sure, but it's probably the stongest node of everything we currently got

[tender oasis]

and a heavy stun enables some skill buffs

[proven quest]

I see where you’re coming from, but they’ve said multiple times they’ve had to change/ nerf bleed and we’ve already seen many supports that are out of date (like shock chance), so I’m a little wary assuming

[trail rampart]

Anyone got an idea for a warrior caster that uses blood magic ?

[odd pumice]

Any idea if we are getting the tree before EA?

[maiden karma]

Warbringer with physical spells

[trail rampart]

Probably not

[frail jay]

TBH I think the stormweaver mana arcane surge effect node, warbringer all block node, or the chonk instant leech node is the strongest node among all the ascendancies

[fiery pendant]

first point is always life remnants, so in practive you only have 3 notables that you can pick

[frail jay]

The ascendancy info was released yesterday by GGG

[hushed herald]

I think we kinda have quite a few nodes revealed but not the whole tree sadly

[frail jay]

or 2 days ago or something

it's not out of date

[hushed herald]

to me at least the pocket progenesis and crit damage per max life ones seem like an easy choice lol

[haughty sluice]

so these and then i could go melee? with heavy armour?

[abstract flax]

I’m trying to understand how Blood Barb works. From how I read it. The 10% of damage as extra physical is the initial cause of making the enemy bleed and then the elemental damage that you deal contributes to the bleeding magnitude. Am I correct on that?

[fiery pendant]

personally i think that gore spike (the life to crit damage) is cracked. A possible build for a melee blood mage could be stacking life and trying to crit (some skills can auto-crit, for example sunder or using the biting frost support gem)

[hushed herald]

I mean, you could, but probably knowing you're having witch starting point from the tree it's not the best of ideas

[frail jay]

The infernalist node that makes non-fire damage ignite gives ignite chance and magnitude, because ignite chance is inherent to damage dealt by ignite and there isn't flat ignite chance to get. If the damage didn't apply to ignite chance you couldn't ignite with that node. The Bloodmage bleed node that makes elemental damage bleed doesn't make damage apply to bleed chance because damage doesn't apply to bleed chance for bleed, you get flat sources elsewhere and scale them with increased chance on the tree.

[hushed herald]

I guess we'll have to wait and see the tree lmao

[frail jay]

No, you need to get bleed chance elsewhere

[hushed herald]

I was thinking about playing the infernalist with some sort of AoE nuke spell like lightning conduit or something, but we'll have to see

[haughty sluice]

fair i am complete new to POE so i dont understand how punishing etc that is yet haha

[orchid torrent]

I want to play some ranger (or other ranged) hardcore build but without the tree it's hard to tell anything yet

[tender oasis]

only way we get more passive info is if someone can data mine everything from the pre download in time

[sinful spade]

Imo the play is go cold or phys spells since they have 12-13 or 15 base crit so you can skip that asc node, then take gore spike, progenesis node, and spell leech. Then late game once you have gear to support it and can get spell leech elsewhere, swap it for the body Armour ES as extra life and swap to a hybrid life/es build

[fiery pendant]

yeah you can go melee instead of spells. There isn't really a 'heavy armor' class like in other games, but you can go super tanky with the right items and perks. Wait a couple of days and look at a guide for defensive layers specifically

[frail jay]

Or just play flameblast bleed

[sinful spade]

Predownload is likely just gonna be visual assets, most of em are according to Chuan. Probably only get interesting datamine stuff after the patch tomorrow

[frail jay]

because it will probably be the biggest spell by a lot

[hushed herald]

uhhhh, explaining it briefly, the starting location would be probably far away from most desired melee passives, which translates into

1. some "dead" points providing no real significant bonus
2. needing a lot of points to reach the important nodes for your build, which translates into less endgame efficiency
   but this is all just theory, we'll have to wait for the actual game to come lol

most of the times someone comes with a way to fix that though, just give it time lmao

[tender oasis]

flmeblast no being bad is gonna be amazing

[haughty sluice]

thanks guys!

[hushed herald]

that's kinda what I was thinking, some sort of base high crit source to ignore the 15%

[sinful spade]

Yeah attack blood mage seems interesting but the tree is rough. Might be viable depending on the nodes on the tree we don't know about and/or some uniques

[tender oasis]

solar ob and flameblast might feel clunky

[hushed herald]

a massive AoE spell nuke with the leech and everything else just seem stupid broken

[frail jay]

Flameblast has not been bad many times

There was a poe1 league where 80% of the ladder was flameblast

not kidding

it was crazy

[hushed herald]

oh the pizza totems

lmao

[tender oasis]

i love pizza totems

but we arnt getting spell totem are we

[hushed herald]

would be fun

[pseudo kayak]

Pizza sticks always fun

[sinful spade]

I'm planning on eye of winter since it inflicts critical weakness (up to 10% additional base crit at max). Maybe frostbolt ice nova for clear or during campaign. And ofc cold has comet as the huge nuke spell

[tender oasis]

no scorching ray feels bad man

[hushed herald]

we'll have to watch for the increased AoE nodes tbh

with good AoE nodes maybe self casting ice nova is a thing

[viral blade]

Is there a PoB 2 ?

[tender oasis]

im looking to pathfinding on the tree to blood magic as witch to be annoying

[tender oasis]

no

[viral blade]

oh

pob is so great in poe 1

they should make somthing similar

tho i now mobalytics is doing something

[tender oasis]

poedb works for now

[frail jay]

they will it's just gonna take a few weeks

[viral blade]

yeah

[viral blade]

awh nice

[fiery pendant]

surely there will be some gear that grants it? worst case scenario lifetap will do

[tender oasis]

there is leech down there kinda

[bitter ore]

do we think starting melee witch is just going to be too rough as a first char / for the campaign? obviously hard to know at this point

[sinful spade]

For sure imo

[fiery pendant]

about as easy as spell gemling

[hushed herald]

I think blood magic is just mandatory for a life stacking build tbh, 10% more life reminding it can get overcapped with remnants... x.x

[tender oasis]

i mean bonestorm is phys damage

[sinful spade]

We can't exactly do much life stacking

Like what's the difference in your mind between a life build and a life stacking build

[tender oasis]

bloodmage can easily

[scenic thicket]

Im planning a bleed build. If a monster has Energy Shield, does that mean bleed can no longer be applied?

[fiery pendant]

seems so

[tender oasis]

nope its still applied

[hushed herald]

should I screenshot my PoE1 character with 40k life as an example? XD

[tender oasis]

wait is it not

[scenic thicket]

Its bad

[sinful spade]

Because without uniques that grant %life pretty much all we can do for maxlife is just.. roll it on gear, along with strength

[fiery pendant]

bleed applies when the damage touches life, Es blocks it

[sinful spade]

Which is what pretty much all builds do anyways

[hushed herald]

yeah, we'll have to see for the uniques tbh (apostate pls ggg I'm begging)

[fiery pendant]

it seems that CI is immune to bleed then

[orchid torrent]

any decent ranged hardcore brainstormed ideas yet?

[tender oasis]

Bleeding can only be applied if the hit deals damage to the defender's life; damage solely dealt to energy shield or redirected to anything other than life will not apply bleeding. The damage over time from bleeding bypasses energy shield and damages life directly.

[hushed herald]

that would be new, in PoE1 CI wasn't immune to bleeding at all lol

[tender oasis]

oh wait MoM

lmao

[sinful spade]

And unless you can roll super high life mods on gear in poe2 I feel like it's gonna be like 150 life per piece or something which ain't that much

[fiery pendant]

lol true

[scenic thicket]

CI would be very strong if can manage stun

[sinful spade]

But who knows

[tender oasis]

cant bleed thru mana

with MoM

[frail jay]

if you count melee totems as ranged

[hushed herald]

I mean, I don't think bleed is ignored if you have ES/MoM tbh

[scenic thicket]

MOM is bait i think. Mana regen seems hard to stack

[fiery pendant]

unless you are a stormweaver

[tender oasis]

thats gonna feel so weird on bleed builds if theenemy has es

[frail jay]

not on stormweaver

[hushed herald]

I mean tbh you could then just go chaos damage

chaos damage ignores ES, and if there's this one node that makes all dmg contribute to bleed chance if I remember correctly...

[tender oasis]

i geuss i can go bleed fire

[sinful spade]

Gotta see item mods first

For basically everything tbh

[fiery pendant]

poison ignores ES, i think that raw chaos doesn't

[scenic thicket]

Yeah im thinking blood mage for bleed and ignite

[frail jay]

not how either of those things work

[hushed herald]

all chaos damage does at least in PoE1

[scenic thicket]

Im really looking forward to items

Very curious

[tender oasis]

poe2 wiki has no info on that

[hushed herald]

tbh now that I think about it, idk if tree has chance to bleed nodes but

[fiery pendant]

on reddit they say that non-poison chaos no longer bypasses ES but deals x2 damage, but no source

[hushed herald]

in PoE2, according to the wording, bleed doesn't necessarily have to be procced by a phys hit anymore

[frail jay]

likely will because otherwise the only place to get bleed chance would be 1 support gem and the 2 skills with inherent bleed, and maybe gear

[brave canopy]

so ... ranged spells count as projectiles, yeah? so all of those nodes in the bottom half of the tree that add +% dmg to projectiles could be used on, say, a gemling spellcaster?

[frail jay]

phys is the only damage type that inherently contributes to bleed magnitude

[tender oasis]

so uh so far the only bleed nodes are at deulist

[hushed herald]

yeah that's true though, the magnitude is important hmm

damn, my brain is gonna explode lmao

[tender oasis]

bloodmage keeps on winning lol

[hushed herald]

it would have been too broken though tbh

[frail jay]

?

[fiery pendant]

blood mage can use elemental to contribute to bleed magnitude (but no inherent chance)

[hushed herald]

yep, but elemental damage does not bypass ES

[hushed herald]

so you would have to take down their ES first

[frail jay]

nothing bypasses ES

Chaos does 2x damage to ES in PoE2

[hushed herald]

I see

poison does though

[frail jay]

hmm maybe chaos DoT goes through ES

[hushed herald]

idk if chaos DoT does or not but poison does

[frail jay]

hit just does double damage

[tender oasis]

hopefully ea has bleed skills we havent seen yet

[hushed herald]

according to the description at least

[frail jay]

where is the description?

[fiery pendant]

if we have a unique similar to Replica Volkuur's Guidance we could use that to snapshot a huge ignite

[hushed herald]

poe2db

[frail jay]

I thought it was just 2x damage so people could do ES builds without Ci

[hushed herald]

mechanism>ailment

[tender oasis]

.>

[fiery pendant]

right, but what about non-poison chaos damage?

[tender oasis]

we dont know

[hushed herald]

in PoE1 it does go through ES, in PoE2 apparently some people say it just does x2 dmg, but I guess we'll have to wait to see it

[tender oasis]

nothing was officaly confirmed

[frail jay]

tbh it's DoT so you can counter it with regen

[hushed herald]

well I don't think a regen would counter a DoT cap poison

LMAO

[fiery pendant]

i always say that, then get hit with 10 ground degens lmao

[frail jay]

???

what mob is putting a dot cap poison on you

[hushed herald]

ah you mean defensively

[frail jay]

also apparently poe2 doesnt even have a dot cap

[hushed herald]

oh

now that's interesting stuff

[tender oasis]

also 15 minutes til lpredownlaod

[frail jay]

I mean not really

I doubt people are gonna get their damage numbers that high anytime soon, need a LOT of powercreep

[tender oasis]

this is not a drill

[warm drum]

i feel like it took 8 years for people to start hitting dot cap in poe1

[undone ingot]

this is correct. going CI makes you immune to chaos dmg, so the poison bypass doesnt matter. normal cdots dont bypass es

[frail jay]

I think it was 3.9?

Whatever league they rewoked EA

Because it was really easy to dotcap with EA Barrage Totems that league

[tender oasis]

lmao

[frail jay]

They fucked up the EA coding

[tender oasis]

i remember

[oak nymph]

Anyone have an idea on which builds will be OP tomorrow?

[frail jay]

And then people were hitting dot cap with assailum once delirium happened

[warm drum]

mathil's

[fiery pendant]

all of them except the one you got baited into using

[mighty obsidian]

So, chronomancer ascendency will lend itself to top tier clearing and farming thanks to time stop, right?

[undone ingot]

no

[sinful spade]

surely

[tender oasis]

blood mage is gonna be the strongest im telling you

[frail jay]

I mean if you want something that will be generically good just play archmage stormweaver. As soon as you get your 2nd lab done you'll be cracked

[undone ingot]

timestop is anti synergistic with clearspeed

[oak nymph]

😂

[fiery pendant]

60 cd lmao

[warm drum]

tbf i think it works with itself, right, if you get the cd nodes?

[fiery pendant]

time stop should give 99 reduced projectile speed

[hushed herald]

time stopping involves what it literally says, having to stop

stop is zoomn't

[undone ingot]

yeah stormweaver will be great first few days, probably keep being great

[hushed herald]

no zoom no fast clear

[rancid frost]

does anyone have the imgur for those new skill gem leaks? saw them on lance's stream the other day

[warm drum]

no one is going to be zooming lol, everyone is going to be decimated by new bosses a la Kitava 3.0

[undone ingot]

i mean i doubt it

[frail jay]

Unless you just go warbringer

block build

cant die

ez

[undone ingot]

im going warbringer but full dps

just dodge roll and a dream

[warm drum]

I'm infinite armor breaking until i drop a fat hammer

[rancid frost]

we're probs the only 2-3 people in ea going warbringer tbh

[mighty obsidian]

Guess my theory was wrong. On a related topic, I was surprised to see a tank node on chronomancer

[undone ingot]

yerp

[hushed herald]

tbh thought about going warbringer and glancing blows to get the dollar tree aegis aurora keystone

[warm drum]

no i made my brain hurt theorycrafting so now it's infinite armour break + shouties

[undone ingot]

most asc have some defense

[sterile latch]

yeah i dont know why people expect to clear at cyclone coc speed in poe2 lmao

[frail jay]

yes exactly

aegis aurora GB is dumb and OP

[light frigate]

I was trying to cook a warcry warbringer with the DD, but I couldn't stop thinking about stormweave archmage

[frail jay]

Not to mention active block with aegis is going to be stupid AF

"oh look I press the button and get ifinite ES"

[hushed herald]

it's only 1% so probably you would just build around armor/es pieces so you get to max es close to the recoup amount I guess

[undone ingot]

yeah late game i plan on using shield with aegis node, but im going to be using 2handers from the get go and i dont plan on being able to sustain double attribute cost early

[hushed herald]

but yea it's gonna be dumb

[fiery pendant]

i saw a leak in 4chan of a buff that allowed you to use minions instead of corpses for 60 spirit (not sure if real, haven't seen it anywhere else). Huge with DD, but then again without spectres it's kinda whatever

[frail jay]

I don't think that even works with spectres

it says "undead minions"

[warm drum]

yeah thats the argument for corrupting cry with the totem minions

[frail jay]

idk if spectres count as undead

Also I don't think it works with the warbringer explode

[hushed herald]

corpses are corpses I guess

[frail jay]

Because Sacrifice says that it works with skills that consume corpses

and the warbringer thing isn't a skill

[livid ridge]

Its a leaked support called sacrifice. It should work on respawning minions

[frail jay]

it says undead minions

[fiery pendant]

going by old catarina dialogue specters are mega corrupted/old undead

like back when we were building corpse totems

[frail jay]

Yeah but who knows if they are classified as undead for skills that say undead minions

[warm drum]

that's a good catch, but i'll still test it since i'm going to probably start as a totembringer just for progression

[distant dome]

When I read this, I thought it only applied to things that regenerate life, like vitality. Watching a video by Pohx Kappa and he says it'll apply from Leech/potions/etc.
Is he right?
https://youtu.be/R1UbG2HqsTY?si=0YJeK8qQS-Hfc0xe&t=962

[oak nymph]

Do we need to worry about losing out on our favorite character names or so they not cap characters with the same name?

[rancid frost]

yeah do you have the link? there was a bunch of new skills leaked

[young lintel]

only regen

[fiery pendant]

nope

[frail jay]

literally says "from regeneration" on the keystone lol

[hushed herald]

yes, leech and flasks are life recovery too

at least they were in PoE1

[distant dome]

but it says recovery from regeneration

[frail jay]

Yeah but they don't give you life recovery from regeneration

[distant dome]

is leech regeneration? I... don't think so?

[frail jay]

no

[rancid frost]

nope

leech is leech

regen is regen\

[hushed herald]

yea the regen you're getting is only by regen

there's no fake regen LOL

[frail jay]

This is regeneration though

[hushed herald]

huh that seems interesting

[frail jay]

I really need to finish planning my backup invoker

[warm drum]

i honestly just find the quarterstaff skills to be so...meh

[rancid frost]

all plans on routing get reset when full passive on screen

[frail jay]

I keep thinking about playing stormweaver instead though

[rancid frost]

if some clutch small passives going titan for sure

[frail jay]

idk cold quarterstaff seems REALLY good

[distant dome]

you can get 8-10% life regen per second from currently shown tree. Could be good for Zealous Oath

[undone ingot]

yeah way too many incomplete conversions imo

[warm drum]

invoker especially i feel like you'll need to do like an 8 skill rotation

[fiery pendant]

i find most skills to be meh tbh, spell-wise 90% of it is elemental

[frail jay]

likely what you will do for minion infernalist with beidat

[rancid frost]

definitely unclear how much i'm willing to pay the multi-button lazy tax

[sterile latch]

the thing i'll "miss" the most not playing monk is trying the bell 😭

[short rover]

you can Bell on other classes its not an ascendancy talent

[vital hornet]

Infernalist seems to be a glass cannon, am I right?

[undone ingot]

no

[fiery pendant]

no

[frail jay]

I don't think any ascendancy is a glass cannon

[sterile latch]

its quarterstaff, im sure you understood

[rancid frost]

infernalist can be tanky af

[undone ingot]

20% damage reduction seems pretty good

[short rover]

oh, no I didnt sry

[rancid frost]

dog takes 20% and the damage conversion node is clutch

[undone ingot]

the damage taken as fire too

yeah, might be one of the tankier ones

[frail jay]

it's quarterstaff and it requires combo meaning you need to hit 4 times with a strike skill before you can bell

[fiery pendant]

get max fire res + armor applies to fire + dog and you are set

[warm drum]

yeah but then what are your two dps nodes?

[rancid frost]

yeah you can annoint the node that gives +2% max fire for every 40 uncapped

[undone ingot]

of course, you have to actually click those nodes. which you wont do because you want to be a sexy demon that doesnt care about mana

[sterile latch]

then you pewpew in aoe and you can support it, increase area, leech etc, has to be fun !

[fiery pendant]

sexy demon unequips your weapon lmao, unplayable at release

[frail jay]

idk I wouldn't use bell unless it's after flicker strike personally

I don't wanna use strike skills much in melee

[sterile latch]

even for leveling ? nah

[frail jay]

If I played melee monk it would be glacial cascade

which is basically ranged

gem tagged melee tho

[undone ingot]

if you can find the rest of the conversion then i think gc would be really fun

[distant dome]

Just a quick dumb question/sanity check, this adds 10% more damage as physical damage to all sources of damage? Like my Fireball will do 10% more damage as physical damage

[sterile latch]

pretty sure you can flicker the bell no ?

aoe flicker

[undone ingot]

yeah the old order no longer applies

[frail jay]

yeah but that 10% is 10% of the base damage and doesn't scale with fire damage

[distant dome]

"the old order no longer applies" - First track of my metal album.

[distant dome]

gotcha, but it would scale with physical damage

[frail jay]

yeah

as would the bleed

[sinful spade]

Speaking as someone who designed a unique that has that exact line on it, only your life regeneration (after scaling it via life recovery rate if you have any) will apply to your ES. No other life recovery will.

However, since it only applies excess regen, other forms of life recovery will help you get back to max life quicker, so they're still helpful overall

[fiery pendant]

personally i don't like the focus on weapon specific skills, seems like it will be limiting for future uniques

[frail jay]

well the bleed scales with increased phys taken

not pre-mitigation stuff

[distant dome]

yeah. It was in a video about Blood mage and using Zealous Oath to protect yourself when you're already in overflow life territory

[distant dome]

gotcha

so if you were doing big bleeds coming from Fire Damage, having some physical damage modifiers to scale the bleed would make sense

[sinful spade]

I could see taking ZO depending on life regen mod values and/or uniques

[distant dome]

well, big BLEED, since bleed no stack

[frail jay]

no

[distant dome]

"Gotcha - NO, NO GOTCHA. YOU DON't GET ME"

ahaahahah

[warm drum]

i cant imagine doing bleeds with the fact that they don't start until you break ES

[frail jay]

whatver I can't click the right message

[distant dome]

it's just funny <3

[frail jay]

90% of your damage for the bleed is base fire

[tender oasis]

^

[frail jay]

so scaling phys is bad

[distant dome]

k

[dry quiver]

So what is going to be the main difference between bleed and poison these days ?

[frail jay]

you do want to scale phys damage taken though, like not using flammability and fire xposure

poison stacks

[fiery pendant]

poison goes through ES, bleed can become aggravated

[distant dome]

Sooo... something like armor break?

[frail jay]

armor doesnt work on dot phys in poe1

probably wont in poe2

[fiery pendant]

any hope of armor breaking with witch?

[distant dome]

RIP.

[distant dome]

Could we do Unearth + Armor Break support gems?

so the active skill + the minions break armor?

[fiery pendant]

was thinking of bonestorm for extra support

[distant dome]

Bonestorm is likely a valid target for Armor break too

[fiery pendant]

wait do the minions break armor

[dry quiver]

It's so annoying not knowing how these mecanics are working

[distant dome]

If they have the armor break support they should right?

put these both on unearth

[undone ingot]

armour break doesnt affect bleed at all i believe

[pastel forge]

and spell dmg of course

[maiden karma]

Bleed damage scales off hit damage, so it will be stronger if they have less armour

[dry quiver]

Maybe Devastate support (fully breaks armour on Heavy stun) actually beats any other armor break method

[distant dome]

good god, I thought you wrote "spelling damage" - Referencing my horrible spelling/typos.

[undone ingot]

premitigation hit damage

[pastel forge]

[fiery pendant]

if it works we might as well add poison chance + corrosion on contagion and have the constructs carry the contagion

[distant dome]

I had plans for Bonestorm... but they might be bricked. So I might just throw fork on them and use it do debuff a ton of targets or something

or just stick to an elemental damage build

[fiery pendant]

yeah but elemental is boring

[dry quiver]

bro

[frail jay]

Hmm I just realized profane ritual zombies gets you a bunch of minions that don't reserve spirit

[dry quiver]

you better take it back

[sinful spade]

join me in the cold blood mage supremacy gang

[frail jay]

might be good on warbringer minions

[pastel forge]

well the alleged change to archmage makes it only work on non-channeling spells, so bonestorm wont benefit

[frail jay]

Consumes a Corpse or Power Charge to create a Zombie. Zombies created from Power Charges are Empowered.

Marks a Corpse with a profane rune, dealing Chaos damage over time to nearby enemies. When the ritual is complete the Corpse is consumed and you gain a Power Charge.

• Sacrifice, which lets minions act as corpses for skills that consume corpses

[distant dome]

k, I'll meet you in Gurubashi Arena, lets gank some noobs

[sinful spade]

[frail jay]

no daggers in EA

[undone ingot]

yeah of all the damage types, i think phys has the most interesting effects rn

[distant dome]

RIP again bonestorm.

That being said

[dry quiver]

Assasin uber crit auto cast

[fiery pendant]

bonebros...

[dry quiver]

you are not ready

[distant dome]

Bonestorm might be saved by 2190372130921 power charge production, if more things are revealed that do power charge

Cuz it'll eat them all

ALL

[tender oasis]

bonestorm will be fine

[frail jay]

What about sspells that don't cost mana

[fiery pendant]

power charge in bonestorm only increases the explosion size, not damage right?

[pastel forge]

no specific mention, allegedly

[tender oasis]

archmage on bloddmage seem to be a dangerous idea lol

[distant dome]

I can dream it increases damage

but otherwise, oof

seems like a waste of all the power charges. Maybe if it cost 1 power charge

[dry quiver]

Dude it is so annoying to not know how these mecanics are working

[fiery pendant]

one has to wonder why is witch in the blood mage art casting bonestorm

[dry quiver]

it's killing me

[fiery pendant]

i'd spend all power charges on zombies

[distant dome]

sorry mr. brightside

[fiery pendant]

yeah

[pastel forge]

since the mana cost on archmage is an effect of the skill and not its base cost, i assume it wont gain life costs, but we gotta confirm in game

[tender oasis]

the first blood mage node doesnt remove manacost >.>

[pastel forge]

yes, and it refers to base mana costs specifically

and the mana cost on archmage is an effect of the buff, not a base mana cost

unless it somehow counts as base mana cost on the spell it affects, i doubt its gonna be extra life costs to cast

[distant dome]

I think Bonestorm + 65% pierce + Fork + extra projectiles on fork + bouncing off terrain would look kinda sick. Don't know if it'd be any good

[tender oasis]

also the poe servers are already on fire

[distant dome]

but I mean, screen would be covered

[long trail]

The “more” multiplier happens after the “increased” modifiers right? So base multiplied by increased, then that multiplied by more?

[distant dome]

can't hit same target with richochet in PoE 1 tho, so it'd all be just AoE damage

[pastel forge]

doesn't bonestorm that uses power charge become aoe? so would fork even work?

[tender oasis]

inb4 bonestorm cant be modified wit peirce

[distant dome]

no idea

[native widget]

wait whats going on rn

[thorny path]

Yes, but it's important to know that increased modifiers are additive (two 50% increases become 100% increase) and more modifiers are multiplicative (two 50% mores become 125% more)

[distant dome]

does the projectile explode on impact, then keep goijng

or does it get destroyed

[native widget]

isnt preload supposed to be out

why is the website down

[fiery pendant]

bonestorm would be goated if it consumed skeletons intead of power charges

[distant dome]

Trogdor burninated the country side

Too many thatch roof cottages

[pastel forge]

isnt preload only 18 hrs before launch? its still like 29hrs to launch

[native widget]

bro is high

[fiery pendant]

chronomancer irl

[pastel forge]

[dry quiver]

Bro this is such a a nerdfest, I've never seen anything like it

[undone ingot]

#old-game-news

[native widget]

ah.

[long trail]

Ah wicked! Wait how does two 50%s equal 125%?

[pastel forge]

im just an irl chrono telling ppl to not roll chrono

[lofty grotto]

No Mirage Archer in PoE2

Not like this

[undone ingot]

1.5x1.5=2.25

[dry quiver]

Mirage archer will come back

copety cope

[native widget]

damn, bro is high as kite

[thorny path]

50% more means you do 150% total damage, another 50% more multiplies on top of that, for 225% total damage, or 125% more damage

[native widget]

its the same thing

[long trail]

Ah gotcha okay cool

[long trail]

Is there an order in which it applies those? Lowest more multipliers first or something like that?

[undone ingot]

the order of multiplication doesnt matter

[frail jay]

1 * 2 * 3 = 3 * 2 * 1

[thorny path]

It's multiplicative, so the order doesn't matter

[long trail]

Oh lol okay

I didn’t do a lot of high school math xD

[native widget]

didnt know we have to teachmath here

[rancid frost]

do we know if bonestorm's explosions add its debuff?

[bitter ore]

infernalist or stormweaver for ignite build?

[undone ingot]

once the hype train dies down that will be like half of the talk here

[distant dome]

nope, we don't know... but it should

[native widget]

honestly?

stormweaver

[frail jay]

chronomancer

[sterile latch]

chrono y

[frail jay]

or titan

[fluid fiber]

Is there a class that uses ballistas or mortar turret kinda things?

[fiery pendant]

"Shrapnel lodges in enemies hit, causing Attacks against them to deal additional damage."
"Consumes your Power Charges to cause the spikes to cause much larger explosions." <- no idea what explosion

[distant dome]

"larger explosion" implies it always explodes, even with no charges

[tender oasis]

probbly a melle phys explosion

[fiery pendant]

we have seen it in video and it didn't explode tho?

[distant dome]

I'm going to have to see if fork works on Bonestorm ASAP or my entire plan to make it pierce will be ruined D:

[rancid frost]

🤞

[sterile latch]

chrono if you timestop right with the cast speed buff you can cast 3-4 flameblast ez, or go hammer of the god

[distant dome]

There were all these good nodes along the way towrads the ranger area to get for bonestorm

[lofty grotto]

Any idea if shotguning projectiles with multi projectile mods is back?
Or still only on AoE.

[distant dome]

Cast speed, crit chance, lust for power, pierce

ricochet

Movespeed

[fiery pendant]

yea but blood mage is casting bonestorm in the art. checkmate

[narrow ermine]

Is there any info on what the normal concentration levels are?

[distant dome]

I just hope Mobility is less crap on live. -20% damage is like -40% damage in practice, because you also lose what could have been a 25% damage increase

[distant dome]

@fiery pendant out here coming in hot with THE ROOOOOOOK

[undone ingot]

wym? 40% of monster life

[distant dome]

Mobility + Momentum on Bonestorm would be fun to play, but it's such a massive DPS Loss D:

[hushed mirage]

How would flame wall affect a skill with brutality support? Would the fire dmg be added or not?

[dry quiver]

So many unswaered questions

So little time left

[native widget]

everything will be figured out tmrw lol

[thorny path]

It would have no effect

no added damage

[thin basin]

dd bleed we scale minion life, phys dmg, spell dmg, crit, crit dmg, dot if any on tree, i would be rly sad if they make physical bone skills but then dont add any "physical" clusters on the witch area

tree so far, so many unknown nodes

[dry quiver]

Ok but seriously where do I get mana leech on my chayla monk ?

[pastel forge]

supp gem

[undone ingot]

i dont think last gasp is going to work with infernal legion/minion instability cause the minion gets destroyed before they reach 0 life

[ancient stream]

does the lay siege passive node work with the warbringer ascendant node renly's training so I just have a 40% total damage increase on everything?

[narrow ermine]

It says:
Enemies have maximum Concentration equal to 40% of their maximum life.

This seems like the max is hard capped at that instead of its normal max. If it didnt exist before it would be much more like GGG to write that they GAIN concentration with maximum being set to 40%.

Same can be seen with other keystones like 'cannot regain more than x' or ' get x% of armour as ES on block' etc..

[undone ingot]

theres the mana leech support, thats the only source other than the breach flames ive seen. im guessing that there will be leech stats on jewelry, but it will still probably only be melee phys

[thin basin]

maybe, if it does work that way we just drop it or run one set of minion for insta and the other set for dd

otherwise idea look decent yea? 🧑‍🍳

[dry quiver]

No, that sounds wrong

[undone ingot]

nah, its just 40% of their life. so once they hit 60% of their life, as long as you keep hitting them, they are at minimum concentration

[deep musk]

do you guys think invoker srs would be good

[dry quiver]

By Atziti I will have mana leech on every signgle attack

[undone ingot]

yeah, i would bet (read: hope) that we can find it on jewelry

[distant dome]

and ideas on how to relaibly make this happen on a bonestorm build

[river tusk]

any1 have a titan bulid? i can take peek at

[bronze breach]

What is this saying?

[misty shell]

stormweaver and run the shock+chill ascendacy

[distant dome]

RIP my blood mage

[small slate]

It's saying Archmage of Chayula

[narrow ermine]

If it is depleted I believe it might recover again as it says have not lost any lately. You do not lose any concentration once you hit 0.

[full drift]

Has there been any mention of spell totems yet?

[pastel forge]

tbh if you focus on bonestorm alone then you can pick both shock and chill tress and ignore arcane surge

[thorny path]

Jonathan didn't remember if they were in or not yet during the interview with Talkative Tri last week I think

[pastel forge]

and bonestorm is already 15 base crit so no big loss not going bloodmage

[full drift]

well then at least he didnt say "we decided not to do them"

[thorny path]

yeah they're gonna be in at some point or maybe even now

[proven quest]

My other concern is boss phasing. If bosses phase at 50 or even 75% it’s going to feel really bad

[native widget]

👍

[keen dagger]

Data mine where

[native widget]

lul

you gotta atleast let them download it first

unless they have fiber connection they prob still downloading

[fierce cargo]

Any clue if the following will stack (e.g. checks for freeze, does all the effects, then removes it?)? Precedents from POE1?

• Coldsnap (shatters frozen)
• Frostfire (consumes frozen)
• Biting Frost (consumes frozen)

[native widget]

thats my question lol

if coldsnap and biting frost still works together CoF cold snap would be pretty damn strong

[fierce cargo]

Yeah

[magic thicket]

likely does not work together

[narrow ermine]

That as well. I will still take it, and learn. Exploring and taking risks is fun!

[royal badge]

Does anyone have any Snipe, spiral volley, or Freezing Salvo skill link recommendations?

[distant dome]

Big loss of 12/10 voice actress

RIP

[pastel forge]

[distant dome]

Watching witch Preview for the first time I was like

damn

this witch is crazy

I love her

[pastel forge]

so uhh

the EA key i got from buying on poe website can be used on steam or nah

[distant dome]

Probably after EA

you'll be able to play thought steam

but for now

they still working on standalone client

like

in the next hour prob

[narrow ermine]

If you have an EA key on your EA access page, that is a spare, I believe.

[pastel forge]

gotcha, so dont bother preloading on steam then

[narrow ermine]

If you payed more than 39 bucks you should have access.

[native widget]

why tho

[narrow ermine]

30*

[native widget]

whats wrong with steam

[narrow ermine]

Nothing. Just downloaded it on Epic first?

[pastel forge]

i bought the packs on the website so it shouldnt work on steam no?

[pastel forge]

or is EA key universal across platforms?

[distant dome]

you can get your key form "my account" on their PoE1 website

go to "my account" and "early access" and you'll see where it says where you can find the steam code for it

[olive tide]

the steam key just unlocks poe 2 in your library.

[pastel forge]

^

[narrow ermine]

That means that the key you got unlocks the client. You already have the EA access. It just does not come with that key

[olive tide]

but you should be able to link your ggg account to steam

[pastel forge]

ok so the EA is tied to my account so it should be fine to access via steam i suppose

[sinful spade]

preload is just visual assets and stuff, nothing interesting to datamine most likely til patch tomorrow

[narrow ermine]

Yes

[native widget]

damn they changed chronomancer art

[frail jay]

wtf old art was so much better

[native widget]

i like 1 better tho

[mint wind]

does anyone think poe2 will have something like last epoch's spellblade? And what class build might work?

[sterile latch]

must be a mistake, first one is so much better

[native widget]

ngl 1 might be new, they prob just forgot to change it

[keen dagger]

Invoker is probably closest to spellblade, barring an unreleased Shadow class

[sterile latch]

duelist you mean

[mint wind]

Sweet, monk! That's a male toon that's even better.

[keen dagger]

Duelist is pure str, I guess inquisitor is more likely

Str/dex*

[narrow ermine]

Install complete! See you in 17 hours.

[olive tide]

ohh yea

[native widget]

its str dex lol

[keen dagger]

Do we have any equivalent to Comet's +cast time in PoE1?

[native widget]

is standalone cilent just better or what

[distant dome]

imagine, living in a first world country like @olive tide. Must be nice

[mint wind]

Game wont be playable till tomorrow afternoon anyway

[native widget]

wait holy shit

lmao thats MB/s

bro is trolling us

[thorny path]

apparently some people on reddit were able to play for a bit on Xbox

they got booted out after 5ish minutes

[dry quiver]

Honestly I< don't expecto to actuallt play the game ont the 6th

[pastel forge]

microsoft fd up? xd

[native widget]

wtf

[mint wind]

They did say they were investing heavily on servers

[olive tide]

bro them metric mb

[dry quiver]

but itt's fine I'll wait

[boreal gale]

What's a first world country?

[hoary plover]

biting frost specifically says it cant support skills that consume freeze

[placid tiger]

somebody in this server got in too

[thorny path]

One reached bloated miller but got booted before killing him

[boreal gale]

(I got ethernet jsut for this download tonight lmao, I'm normally kbps)

[placid tiger]

yh u might wanna keep that plugged in the entire weekend ur gonna need every bit of help u can lol

[dry quiver]

Bro the queue is going to be so long you'll regrett downloading the GGG client

[native widget]

huh?

[distant dome]

Y'all are reminding me of being a teenager getting access to ||redacted government military contractors|| computer center that had multi-gigabit internet speeds back in the early 2000's. Newgrounds loaded SO FAST.

[boreal gale]

wdym

[regal turtle]

does increase to chaos damage only increase poison damage if the hit does chaos damage now?

[placid tiger]

servers are probably gonna be on and off all weekend so to avoid lag u want best connection u can until it all calms down a bit

[boreal gale]

I mean, hey, when I've been at <1 mbps for my eniter life, it's good

[fiery iron]

Question:
Has cyclone (or a similar mobile or attack) been confirmed to be in PoE2? I am wondering if anything like Cyclone + Mjolnir will be possible in the new game.

[boreal gale]

Eh, it'll be fine

[native widget]

dev said cyclone will be later

[thorny path]

poison damage can only be scaled from the damage of the hit, and %increased poison effect

[fierce cargo]

ah thanks missed that - but does it work with other supports that consume freeze?

[dry quiver]

I have easy access to alien computers and I can see forward in time

[ashen timber]

can you use same skill multiple times linked with dif supports

[dry quiver]

game will be unplayable for 30 minute after launch

[thin basin]

login

(to standalone client)

[thorny path]

Probably

[native widget]

bro got gigabit connection

[distant dome]

Question, GGG or Steam

[ashen timber]

i know supports can be linked once but what about skills

[distant dome]

which to use

[placid tiger]

prefrence

[thin basin]

too many ppl downloading

i get 900 on steam

[native widget]

uhh

[placid tiger]

Mb or MB

[native widget]

i think you misread the unit lmao

[placid tiger]

lol

[thin basin]

ye 900mb is what i meant instead of 100 on the image lol

[native widget]

you didnt answer the quesiton tho

what was your unit

[thin basin]

dang it bugged out

[native widget]

Mb or MB

[distant dome]

oof. I had good broadband back in 1996, my dad was an ISP, eventualy got bought out by (what became) Verizon

[toxic ether]

I'm sitting at a cool 10 MB/s

[placid tiger]

well if its MB bro has just hijacked googles servers to download

[boreal gale]

I mean, I live in Ireland, all my ISP have been absolutely dogshit

[pearl sluice]

Are all skill gems and support gems revealed?

[native widget]

lmao i have seen 10Gb download speed before

[thorny path]

No

[placid tiger]

the switch for that connection probably cost more than our entire setups

[pearl sluice]

Thank you.

[distant dome]

yeah, I feel that. We only started getting half-decent ISPs here about 10 years ago. As soon as fiber got into our area suddenly the existing non-fiber broadband was 20x faster at 1/10th price. literally overnight, no hardware chane on their part, they just couldn't get away with MASSIVE greed.

[lean estuary]

Can someone explain the difference between a skil that has +x% more stun build up and a skill that has "Hits stun enemies as though dealing x% more damage"

[placid tiger]

not greed, business

[native widget]

im getting 4x the speed for less than 1/2 the cost rn, compared to 7 years ago

[thorny path]

Same thing, new more clear phrasing

"more stun build up" is the phrasing now

[lean estuary]

Thanks !

[boreal gale]

Yeh, I mean, like 5 years ago I wasn't even running on Kbps I was running on bps xd

Playing Dead by daylight and having to turn on and off the wifi was fun

[placid tiger]

to think, we probabkly have more ram than our parents had storage space

[native widget]

a LOT more

[boreal gale]

I mean, in my case it's not even a question

[native widget]

i still remember using 16Gb phones

[placid tiger]

nothing beats the nintendo ds game cards

[distant dome]

Fastest Home connection I ran on, I downloaded a game at 880 MB (capital B) ps from steam.
Uncle moved into a newly built neighborhood while working for the company that installed the fiber to the whole neighborhood. Had the speed of the -entire neighborhood- routed to his house, and made sure he could feed it all into his computer for... uhh... "Testing" purposes.

[boreal gale]

spicy

ofcofc

[native widget]

lmao steam download keeps crashing

even steam server cant handle it

[boreal gale]

I think that's just you

[placid tiger]

not had that yet, on 50% rn

[boreal gale]

29%

[placid tiger]

i like how we are all rushing to preload acting like we are actually gonna be able to play tomorrow LOL

[boreal gale]

I mean, I'm just making sure it's downloaded rn so I dont have to worry tomorrow

Incase something with my internet fucks up

[distant dome]

My Neighbor used to tell me about the "RAM" at his computer that was like 4 kilobits on a giant metal cylinder the size of a minivan, weighing over a ton. NASA stories are wild.

LET ME INNN

<3

[valid berry]

reload steam

[boreal gale]

nuhuh

wait for me

[marble slate]

what are some cool ideas for chronomancer? like spells to build around

[boreal gale]

idk

Im just going in straight blind

[frail jay]

hammer of the gods

that's it

[boreal gale]

Gonna become a blind monk fr

[distant dome]

Be named @pastel forge. Play Chronomancer IRL.

[valid berry]

Hammer of the gods, beyond that nothing

[midnight bolt]

some madlad apparntly streamed poe2 on xbox when they accidently opened servers an hour ago kekw

[valid berry]

theres literally nothing worth noting

so if you wanted a proper spell caster with chrono

prepare for big dissapointment

its honestly so sad

[frail jay]

I mean you can have a crossbow as the other weapon

and spam grenades

they also have a decent CD with 3 charges

[valid berry]

yeah, but with that you'd probably want to opt in and maximize scaling on that

[distant dome]

He won the F5 button pushing compeition

[valid berry]

so you wouldn't really be a caster at that point

[frail jay]

chronomancer is the grenade/hammer of the gods spec

[muted charm]

grenades

[frail jay]

peak design

[muted charm]

really don't need scaling maxamization

[valid berry]

that's not a spell caster

grenades are not spells

[muted charm]

unless your melee and dont have the accuracey

[sterile latch]

Flameblast, trust

[valid berry]

nor are you stacking int

[frail jay]

they don't cast spells

they cast time

[muted charm]

oh your going sorc

yeah

you can just make sure to get accuracey on the corrssbow

and cast grenades that way

[boreal gale]

Aight imma go to sleep, wake up at 10 am and it better be done by then

[marble slate]

im just sad theres no hierophant ascendency, now who do i put my totems on?

[muted charm]

every ascendancy is heirophant ascendancy

[frail jay]

warbringer or infernalist or invoker

[muted charm]

they made spiritual aid replace heiropahnt

[frail jay]

or gemling

[muted charm]

not spiritual aid

[tribal egret]

How good does a minion build look currently? For witch i believe, right?

[muted charm]

ancestral bond

the mian downside of pure totems now is that your not punished whatsoever

for not going pure totems

[frail jay]

minions look ok, a bit limited because of lack of spectre but it has a lot of options

[tepid spoke]

Guys, do we know if we'll have spell leech or spell mana leech on the gear? since there's none in the tree (not planning on go for bloodmage)

[frail jay]

spell mana leech 100% no

[muted charm]

no spells don't leech

[frail jay]

spell leech, who knows what sources might exist

[vocal nova]

guys about titan 50% effect small passive, that is't too much? 80 point probably on small passive and50% 80=40? 40 passive point no?

[proven quest]

No spell mana leech

[muted charm]

maybe es leech on gear

[thorny path]

Leech in general is not on the tree, you have to get it with gear affixes

[frail jay]

there's spell leech mods on gear in poe1 but they're kind of a pain to get

[muted charm]

but bloodmage is only sourceo f life leech

barring uniques

[frail jay]

I mean you have 0 clue if this is true

[cinder rose]

To be fair we don't know all the uniques yet. There could be a spell mana leech unique with some whack downside like you have no ES

[frail jay]

could easily be some sort of soul core or corruption mod or something that adds it

[tepid spoke]

If it's on gear it's ok, but if there's no spell leech/mana leech AT ALL besides the bloodmage ascendancy point, that's kinda bad

[thorny path]

It doesn't give you 50% more passive points, it makes your allocated small passives on the tree 50% more effective

[frail jay]

spells cannot mana leech

[tepid spoke]

it'll be the death of my demon form spellslinger infernalist build

[thorny path]

as in it increases the stats of the nodes by 50%

[muted charm]

its a rule they set in palce in poe1 @frail jay There was just also a notorious amount of "oops we fucked up." cases

phys leech rings being a great example

[frail jay]

no it's not what are you talking about

there's so much leech in poe1 you can get on spells

[lavish dew]

Any warrior theory crafting build links?

[muted charm]

Name a source of spell life leech in poe1 besides herio and rings?

[thorny path]

We don't know about spell life leech sources, but we've been told directly there is no spell mana leech

[cinder rose]

Doryanis belts have generic leech

[frail jay]

timeless jewels, corruption implicits, incursion mods, cluster jewels

[thorny path]

and besides, leech resist is gonna make everyone cope anyway

[frail jay]

eldritch mods, influence mods

[tepid spoke]

ok, but no spell mana leech AT ALL or only in the tree?

[frail jay]

synthesis implicits

[cinder rose]

Where have we been told this?

[distant dome]

in interview they said there might be some elemental leech, but if there is it's rare. Overall much harder to find. There's also a hard rule of "No spell mana leech, at all" direct from the mouth of Jonathan Rogers

[proven quest]

spells will never leech mana

[vocal nova]

yeah it 50% increased effect and that =0.5 passive point no?

[muted charm]

Incursion mods before the change. Corruption implicits no those are local. Cluster jewels no? they removed those trust me i looked. Timeless jewels IDK

[thorny path]

Some interview with Jonathan, I don't remember which one

[muted charm]

i don't care enough about timeless jewels

[thorny path]

at all

[proven quest]

ziz interview with Jonathan

[chilly mauve]

I don't know what I'm about to get into but I guess that's part of the fun. 😅

[tepid spoke]

fuck...

[frail jay]

can you just stop please

You have 0 clue what you are saying

[muted charm]

yes

they removed it

ffs

[native widget]

wait why cant i get in queue on steam

im confused

[muted charm]

trust me .02% energy leech is geneorus from modern clusters

[native widget]

i thought people are already in queue?

[thorny path]

@frail jay just block that guy

[frail jay]

If it was removed the weight would be 0

[cinder rose]

What do you mean they removed it - you can get that cluster jewel notable right now

[frail jay]

I'll do you one better

[cinder rose]

You can use cast on crit to get some mana leech and still use spells

[frail jay]

"they removed it"

[pastel forge]

i time travelled to roll bloodmage, gang gang.

[muted charm]

oh

[fossil flint]

It's possibly too early to be asking this, but are there any build guidea/ideas from reputable creators that will probably work well? I've never made my own build in PoE 1 and am feeling rather intimidated by the idea, and don't want to discourage myself from playing by picking something that won't work well. I'm not expecting fully fleshed out guides and PoBs (since that's obviously not possible at this stage) but something to start with would be great.

[muted charm]

its on the armor wheel

yeah makes sense now

[frail jay]

@muted charm

corruption implicits on multiple slots

[muted charm]

its on a completely dog cluster and cost 3 passive points

for a very small amount of leech

[frail jay]

GOALPOSTS IN MOTION

GOALPOST MOTION WARNING

[cinder rose]

Doesn't need to be a lot

[muted charm]

not really

its actively bad/rare

[cinder rose]

But you said it didn't exist

[muted charm]

i thoguht it didn't

[cinder rose]

And it's not rare at all

[frail jay]

literally said it didn't exist in both cases and was removed because "it was a rule the devs made"

[muted charm]

cause they used to have leech on actually good ones @cinder rose

[frail jay]

you just made shit up

[cinder rose]

Just take the L man

[muted charm]

those ones do in fact not exist anymore

[native widget]

🤣 this guy

[sterile latch]

well this time there will be "recommanded skills" etc so leveling up standard should be easier, just the passive tree can be rough but you wont find anything yet

[cinder rose]

Show me what you think doesn't exist anymore. Cause those are also on the wiki

[frail jay]

@muted charm "it's hard to get"

"they removed it because it was a rule they made"

[vast sandal]

Is there a site yet or anything for poe2 build planning?

[frail jay]

https://poe2skills.com/

https://poe-2-skill-tree-planner.vercel.app/

[pastel forge]

https://poe-2-skill-tree-planner.vercel.app/ not all passives revealed

[muted charm]

i was just fully wrong about delirum btw they didn't remove them they just nerfed them a fair deal. sorry @frail jay

[cinder rose]

How much were they nerfed

[native widget]

surely someone will datamine them soon right?

[muted charm]

it's hard to say since pretty much all leech got reworked at that time

[pastel forge]

[muted charm]

"More than attacks did."

[cinder rose]

There's also life gained on spell hits

Like with cybil's paw

[frail jay]

They weren't

leech also hasn't been reworked since 3.0

[muted charm]

brother......they quite literally changed all leech ratios at some point after delerium

the wiki sucks ass

[cinder rose]

Leech was massively reworked, yes. But I don't think that changed how much the cluster jewels give you

[muted charm]

at least for obscur patch history changes.

[frail jay]

They did something in 3.6 not delirium

[hushed mirage]

Can 2 things consume Freeze at the same time? Ex Frag Round + Biting Frost Nvm, Biting forst cannot support skills that consume freeze, dang it lol

[muted charm]

they did something again after that i thought

liike ultimatum was it?

[frail jay]

what did they do and when? I don't remember anything changing after the 3.6 changes