2┃build-planning

[thorny path]

If everyone builds like that post, it'll probably get buffed

[tender oasis]

wait can one hammer fully stun

[thorny path]

Maybe, maybe not

[maiden karma]

Doubt it

[thorny path]

If you build for stun buildup, sure

[maiden karma]

It ain't no stun grenade

[tender oasis]

bosses just need 80% with titan

[thorny path]

All of reddit gonna have a huge wakeup call when the utility skills still need to actually do damage to be able to do anything

[tender oasis]

oh lol hammer is a slam

the second one will do a funny

quarterstaff titan on reddit lol

[snow sierra]

Scaling Minions and Bonestorm with some buffs will work somehow huffing copeium

[swift aspen]

we are expecting 122 passive skills, not including the 8 ascendancy, right?

[deft sleet]

Hi, is it known when you get the first weapons which do not belong to your class? I want to play a Deadeye Ranger for the double projectiles with a crossbow.

[tender oasis]

i want to scale unearth minions on bloodmage lol

[thorny path]

You can buy weapons in the first town when you get enough gold

so pretty soon

[deft sleet]

Thank you 🙂

[tender oasis]

The bone spike is itself a Minion

lol

[snow sierra]

What is Bone spike ?

[sour basin]

What warrior skill looks the best for stuns as a primary attack?

[tender oasis]

its the thing in the offering skills

[tender oasis]

boneshater

[sour basin]

Does it still do self damage in poe2

[thorny path]

No

[tender oasis]

no

[cinder river]

How tanky will the CLeric skeletons be versus something like a warrior? If i ONLY want them to draw aggro and be my tank, can a cleric act as that or no?

[tender oasis]

its just a stun button now

with a boom

[snow sierra]

We dont know how tanky skellys will be, from all i know it could go from extremly squshi to insane tanky

[sour basin]

Interesting I'll have to go read that skill description again then was looking at Sunder/earthshatter

[proven quest]

I'm thinking about doing the opposite; 2h mace monk for the Hammer of God bonk lol

[sour basin]

But does this still build up stun before the heavy stun threshold also?

[pseudo kayak]

Any thoughts on MF support builds?

[distant glade]

“does not cause stun buildup”

[sour basin]

Sounds like you have to build up stun bar from other things then use this to activate a stun

[swift aspen]

when you trigger a 'cast while channeling' does it trigger the spell concurrently or does it stop your channel

[tender oasis]

lmao the 2 build of stats

[maiden karma]

Best stun buildup would probably be breaking armour and then leap slam

[sour basin]

Then yeah that's not what I'm after I'm wanting a good primary stun buildup attack

[maiden karma]

Uhhhhhh

Rolling slam?

Maybe

[thorny path]

Or maybe just use normal skills with actual damage on them

[sour basin]

Or your suggestion also lol I sent a few milliseconds after yours haha

[swift aspen]

anyone know this

[thorny path]

concurrently

[proper pagoda]

You can respect ascendency nodes right? Just can't change ascend?

[distant glade]

It shouldn’t stop cause it triggers

[snow sierra]

btw what is the skill the bloodmage used in the "path of exile 2 : endgame Content Reveal" where it seems like its gathering bone spikes from corpses and then launching ?

[tender oasis]

armour breaker is probly a good stun indocer

thats bone storm

[maiden karma]

Rolling slam alternates between a big stun and a big area hit

But you're gonna be cartwheeling all over the place

[tender oasis]

2 handed weapons with shields seem funs

im looking a sheild wall rn

[sour basin]

Losing your shield does that mean you lose the stats for a brief moment or just the ability to hold the block?

[rancid frost]

too few people thinking about weapon set skill tree paths imo

[tender oasis]

good question

[tender oasis]

it kinda is big on crossbows

[rancid frost]

would assume lose everything the shield gives you\

including block chance

[tender oasis]

but yes people are sleeping on witchhunter

[sour basin]

Yeah if it's a super quick downtime then it might be fun but losing shield stats just to bring up 2 walls doesn't seem that good

[maiden karma]

What is there to sleep on

We got no weapon variety to actually swap between

[tender oasis]

warhammer 40k space marine build

[maiden karma]

Best you got is swapping between mace&shield and a big mace

[sterile latch]

meh, i think witch hunter will be good with other dex weapons to max damage, but without, i prefer gemling

unless you want to bow / xbow

[tender oasis]

stun build maight take itcause flash grenade

[rancid frost]

thinking edgelord warbringer minion

[sour basin]

Yeah that was my current plan is have a mace/shield for my generic stun buildup skills then the weapon swap to a 2h for big slams then switch back to buildup more stuns

[rancid frost]

yeah nice

[vital plume]

anyone got any idea how you'd build a blood mage sorta build?

[swift aspen]

hotg 50% of base means 2x your weapon speed, correct?

[tepid spoke]

Guys, any cool ideas for a demon form infernalist build?

[snow sierra]

oh god i hope not many new ppl try the amount of meme builds going around and beeing absolutly crushed because they cant make it work

[silent prawn]

no one has

only speculations

[maiden karma]

Half speed

[snow sierra]

the weapon despawning stuff is kinda heavy to deal with tho

[tender oasis]

int stacker titan spotted on reddit

[sour basin]

No need to try a meme build to fail when imma be trying my own thing and gonna fail instead haha

[vital plume]

looking at using fire skills and the node for base crit chance at 15% cus all fire skills have low crit, seems reasonable or nah

[swift aspen]

yeah so basically double the time; a 1.0 weapon means it would take 2s to cast hotg

[silent prawn]

sure

[thick thunder]

have they given us any info about the poison cloud from gas grenade?

[worn wraith]

Hey all, pretty new here; are there any theories as to a good summoning build yet?

[sour basin]

Infernalist

Get a good doggo to help share damage lol

[snow sierra]

No there are like 5 summoning build ideas going around, infernalist is your best bet tho

[warped jackal]

Infernalist

[worn wraith]

Sweet I'll look into the class! Thanks!

[snow sierra]

Kinda unsure tho infernalist seems hard to build without a indepth guide

[maiden karma]

Infernalist and titan are the most straightforward ones

[sour basin]

Look up a youtuber called "AaronActionRPG" he is gonna be doing infernalist minions

Or I think the other one is ghazzy??

[snow sierra]

I would look up kay just saying her builds are noob friendly af

[sour basin]

Everyone is a noob

[tender oasis]

im wait for the flicker main on youtube

[snow sierra]

ghazzy often falls into the make your build work with currency trap

[worn wraith]

I'll likely need that! 😅

[dawn spire]

Man, imagine sleeping on Nechronomancer

[sour basin]

It's all just theory crafting at this point we dont know all the numbers for things

[warped jackal]

Or just try stuff on your own, you can easily respec

[maiden karma]

I don't get the warbringer node

[frail jay]

which

[maiden karma]

Tying minions to totem survivability is silly

[frail jay]

I mean we don't know what the minions do

they could scale from totem damage or something

[maiden karma]

We know that they die with the totem

[frail jay]

ok? get totem defense

[rancid frost]

worth noting that deep endgame is easier doing nontraditional build as all gear for it is cheaper (as less demand)

[undone ingot]

or just summon a new one

[rancid frost]

would assume scale with other minion stats

[snow sierra]

Or maybe they tank for the totems and they should be used as defense for totems ?

[maiden karma]

Warbringer gorilla army is the true minion way

[tender oasis]

the offering skills are nice till the bonespike dies from a breeze

[tender oasis]

wut does the monkey do?

[dawn spire]

I see why they aren't making a scion-esque class.

"Your mana is infernal flame, your spirit is darkness, and your energy shield is also spirit."

[maiden karma]

🍌

[frail jay]

well they obvious scale with minion stats, they're minions, I just mean they might have other wonky mechanics beyond that

like how dom blow works with minion damage in poe1

well the trans version

[dawn spire]

Quadrilla*

[undone ingot]

i want to see how fast 2 ancestral warrior totems with armour breaker and increased attack speed slotted can full break a bosses armour

[maiden karma]

Gorira*

[dawn spire]

Thank you

[cedar river]

I'm starting to wonder if maybe Pathfinder is the best ascendancy for a Mercenary

[tender oasis]

witch is totaaly getting a minion ascendency smh

[frail jay]

????

[swift aspen]

breaking armour below 0 just continues to increase physical damage correct?

[rancid frost]

literally doing this lol

[dawn spire]

Isn't pathfinder ranger?

[cedar river]

Yeh I'm kidding a bit

[frail jay]

probably yeah, who knows how much

[dawn spire]

I see.

[maiden karma]

We don't know but that's assumed

[cedar river]

but the crossbow / grenade playstyle with Pathfinder looks strong

[tender oasis]

pathfinder with crossbows

[swift aspen]

yeah curious if it can forever ramp

[rancid frost]

part of my warbringer minion daddy strat

tank + break on pc; glass specters

[tender oasis]

posion cloud grenade pathfinder

[undone ingot]

yeah i want to see how low i can get armour between uses of hammer of the gods. get some nice juicy hits

[rancid frost]

suspect it'll got to -90%

[proven quest]

And if you can break below 0, is 0 still considered fully broken?

[rancid frost]

yeah assume so

plus exploit weakness on minions

[undone ingot]

anything below 0 is fully broken

[rancid frost]

for +50% more damage

[swift aspen]

if you put a warcry in a cast-on, does it ignore cooldown?

[cedar river]

Lol I'm actually trolling myself a bit, I actually ment Deadeye, not pathfinder

[undone ingot]

you want exploit weakness on a big hitter

cause it only works for one hit (plus any aftershocks you create)

[tender oasis]

oh yeah +1 proj on grenades

[rancid frost]

great thing about specters is there's a lot of variety there

[undone ingot]

probably still very bad

[frail jay]

boss spectres

[tender oasis]

spectre the laser dino is a thing aparently

[maiden karma]

There's absolutely zero fucking chance it isn't capped to a max of -20%

[frail jay]

what do you mean spectres were great in poe1 historically

they had to keep nerfing OP ones

[dawn spire]

999 spirit cost

[frail jay]

Exactly, they can balance it with spirit costs

[rancid frost]

yeah def possible, willing to try tho; doesn't make/break the build

[dawn spire]

I wonder if they'll make a specter that has an impossibly high spirit cost

[rancid frost]

worth it

[fast slate]

do we know how long shock lasts in poe2?

[cedar river]

I don't know how good frenzy charges are in this game, but Rapid Shoot (Attack Speed: 550% of base) with Avidity would also very fast give you full stack.

[tender oasis]

charges dont buff you anymore

just consumed for skills

[undone ingot]

this also looks pretty fun

[cedar river]

Yeh thats why I'm unsure how good it is

[native widget]

it IS really fun

100%

[tender oasis]

if true it has no cooldown

[undone ingot]

just energy

[native widget]

especially with the support that increase max energy by 80%

[tender oasis]

just needs alot of energy gain

so 92%

any energy gain on tree?

[native widget]

not generated

the max energy

[frail jay]

The question is whether the release version is going to restrict you to gaining energy 1 time per skill use

[tender oasis]

oh

[native widget]

so 900 max energy

[tender oasis]

wait do we have the pildedriver weapon base

[undone ingot]

yeah so thats 9 casts of a 1 second cast spell at max build up. could be good!

[snow sierra]

doubt that witch gets a minion acendency, my bet would be that the 3 one is curses and chaos dmg based or something like that

[frail jay]

???

[snow sierra]

because it was said they dont want a minion acendency in the game

[frail jay]

infernalist is a minion ascendancy

[distant glade]

Does this seem like a good base to start with for a blood mage ?

https://poe2skills.com/share?data=N4IgdghgtgpiBcIByMDuACAQgVwJYBsATEAGhACM8iEBtUAZwGsD8EQYBPGdAewDN0qXGAAuMAE6kQ9bAAdZPcSPq0KuEcIDm6AMY9qZTfgg7cEDTzBSAFhwUjrEqGZABdAL4kGzfK0Q6IehFeMHQ+cRgYAC84Mhl5RWVVPVgRKXpZGF90GB1rHilydS0w8R4gt09vFjZyYwzHKA50uQUlFXgaEDEoNoh8XWsIYRUyGDA+SLq4Dy9pHz8wbF841sSOmlnq3wQllek19tot+Zr4PfxVhKPOk6Yzi6u2pNuq053z5cuD65fNt-uH0eP2eGw8HiAA

[frail jay]

sure

[tender oasis]

the infernalist dogo seems bad

[frail jay]

cast on freeze comet should be good

[frail jay]

in what way?

[tender oasis]

we dont know its life pool

[snow sierra]

No it aint, infernalist has some stuff that interact with minions buts its far away from beeing THE minion acendency

[frail jay]

why does it seem bad then

[frail jay]

It gets a crazy amount of extra spirit and has a literal minion node that gives a minion, it's basically the minion ascendancy

[snow sierra]

its like saying warbringer is the minion acendency because it has a totem that spawns minions

[tender oasis]

🙏

[frail jay]

warbringer doesn't get a ton of spirit, yknow the thing that determines how many minions you can have

Warbringer also doesn't come from the class that has minion passives in their area

[snow sierra]

and ? gemling gives you alot of stuff that could scale minion dmg, and spirit is used for alot of things not only minions

[undone ingot]

it will almost certainly have more life than you, which is all it really needs to be useful

[weary wharf]

Hello

[frail jay]

gemling has extremely generic stuff that doesn't increase anything in particular, has nothing specific to minion, and has nothing specific to spirit. Spirit is the main bottleneck for minion builds.

Gemling is like scion, it's supposed to work for everything

[weary wharf]

WHich ascendany is good for summoner build in Early Access?

[snow sierra]

Like there are alot of acendencys that could compete in the minion department , because unlike in poe1 there is no Minion acendency

[rancid frost]

none of them are pure minion ascendancies, but infernalist does seem to be the boilerplate goto for those wanting to go that route

[frail jay]

Infernalist

[potent edge]

Titan Rain of Arrows

[frail jay]

Nothing is going to come close to infernalist for minions

[rancid frost]

challenge accepted

[fair scarab]

looking for a bloodmage guide, any suggestions?

[frail jay]

Unless it's some very specific niche minion build that only works in 1 way

but infernalist will work for 99% of minion builds

like necro in poe1

[snow sierra]

lol you dont even know that, titan minions could be insane, gemling could be insane. yes infernalist will work for sure too

No not like necro in poe1

[rancid frost]

yeah lowest hanging fruit for sure

[snow sierra]

Infernalist is not even close to buffing minions as mutch as necro did in poe1

[frail jay]

I mean it kinda is yeah

the extra spirit is massive

[undone ingot]

really just hinges on how good quality is on the minions, so yeah probably will be minion specific.

[frail jay]

it's closer to guardian though sure

I mean it has the guardian minion

[snow sierra]

If you need to belive that to be happy sure.

[tender oasis]

cant wai for guardian 2.0

[frail jay]

it's literally the same thing as sentinel of radiance

minion with a burn aura that takes a portion of damage for you

[tender oasis]

trve

[undone ingot]

having only one support that increases attack speed hurts my soul

[hoary bolt]

its more though

[frail jay]

I mean it's not like you have leapslam or shieldcharge to put it on

[hoary bolt]

which is kinda cool

[frail jay]

also we don't know all the supports

[hoary bolt]

i mean technically we have both of those

but they're bad/10 for actual movement

[tender oasis]

lmao ghazzy is in the infernalist vs gemling legionaire minion camp

[hoary bolt]

ghazzy is a casual

[swift aspen]

does armour break debuff reset upon an armour breaking skill? or does it end at the buff expiration and we have to crack it again?

[snow sierra]

Titan could be insane too depending on how many small minion passivs there are

[warped jackal]

Infernalist minion build sounds fun tbh

[tender oasis]

the extra storage on titan is worth it now

[devout dew]

ok which will boost fire damage more ? Wand or Staff

[tender oasis]

staff

[rancid frost]

noone knows - that mechanic is pretty unknown on the specifics rn afaik

[tender oasis]

they showed a unique fire staff

[wanton juniper]

Do we know what all the stats give yet?

[snow sierra]

oh dam we wont have Spectres that limits the minion build options abit

[woven otter]

If MoM gets nerfed it will brick my entire build idea lol, do I risk it

[gloomy lodge]

How does endless munitions work with for example rapid shot from crossbow? Do you effectively double your machine gun capacity?

[warped jackal]

yea just respec if its that bad.. what build do you have in mind?

[maiden karma]

Yes the break consuming skills explicitly state that they remove the debuff

[swift aspen]

i'm not referring to break eaters

[undone ingot]

once you've fully broken armour, you can consume that debuff with Sunder or Exploit Weakness Support. if you dont consume the debuff and you keep hitting the monster with armour break, it will stay at zero armour. if you are a warbringer it goes negative and we dont know the scaling on that yet

[swift aspen]

just in general--armor broken status is a timed debuff

[icy turtle]

I mean they could also nerf any other build you choose so why not

[swift aspen]

i'm curious if the timer resets on another ability use

[woven otter]

Itll prob be shit but if MoM is 100% and I have no ES, I can have the darkness buff on chayula up 100% of the time

[swift aspen]

or if it lasts X seconds then armour returns to normal and needs to be broken all over again

[maiden karma]

It's probably separate stacks on their own timers

[snow sierra]

ye and i cant see nerfs to MoM, because it would brick alot of builds. If there is something broken they would nerf the other enabler

[undone ingot]

it didnt look like it had a timer, but who knows

[warm drum]

guys it is early access, i would imagine any and everything can be changed substantially

[snow sierra]

if you unlucky^^

[undone ingot]

oh yes, there is an Armour Break Duration node on the tree

so it must have a duration

[thick thunder]

do we know anything about detonations? will explosive shot + the grenade be two different hits?

[swift aspen]

in PoE1 could you go over 100% block rate? or did tooltip cap at 100

[maiden karma]

It capped at 90%

[warped jackal]

Hmm, i mean just try it out. Nothing to lose right

[native widget]

If they nerf MoM.... stormweaver would be bricked

[undone ingot]

yea it looks like you can get 125% increased armour break duration on the tree (based on available nodes known)

[swift aspen]

does block cap at 90 on this as well?

[maiden karma]

Oh man, triple beidat energy blade would be sick

[swift aspen]

yeah this is why i wondered

if there's increased duration i feel like the buff expires

[maiden karma]

We haven't seen any block chance increases

[swift aspen]

passive tree full of them

[maiden karma]

Cap increases

[swift aspen]

ah

[undone ingot]

it probably does, but i doubt it's individual buffs and each application resets. like the freeze and stun build ups

[swift aspen]

and 90 is defacto

[maiden karma]

It normally caps at 75%

I think

[swift aspen]

ooooh

[rancid frost]

gladiator will probs have a max block ascendancy node

[swift aspen]

similar to resistances

[rancid frost]

yeah i thought it was 75

[wanton dawn]

What skills people running for main damage on gemling. Either bow or spells ? Can’t decide try to do ignite fire or lightning stuff

[rancid frost]

but 90 hard cap

post mods

[rancid frost]

could probs do pretty much anything on gemling tbh

[maiden karma]

Although chaos DoT is basically gemling exclusive

[static plinth]

So since apparently Demon Form disables Eternal Youth

Is Black Doubt real?

[maiden karma]

The what now

[static plinth]

Unique item

DoT bypasses ES. Gives you The Agnostic without the downside

[maiden karma]

What slot?

[static plinth]

Chest unfortunately

[maiden karma]

Oof

[full drum]

I hear Tailwind got nerfed but can't find the info, is it correct ?

[dull sluice]

No bind Spectre at launch minion boys

[cedar river]

I wonder how Titan would work for a Grenadier build 🧐

[rancid frost]

my dreams are ended

[static plinth]

Wait holy fuck though

Reserve down to like 1k HP

Get like 5K mana

Now you can sustain like 200 demonflame

[vocal carbon]

No spectre and demon form scuffed Sadge

[wanton dawn]

Why I’m picking them for sure

[cedar river]

Doing massive rerolls will probably be very expensive

[hoary bolt]

are you ok?

[pearl sluice]

getting closer to EA launch does unspeakable things to some people

[cedar river]

I'm not sure it will be viable to reroll nearly a full tree, BUT you could get a full reset if GGG do something too build breaking

[modern tangle]

Sstill ssssane exxxxxxxillllle?

[pearl sluice]

actually im starting to crack as well, i just learned about the issue with bind spectres...

now im reconsidering my starter for ea

[modern tangle]

oh yeah, that'll do it

[cedar river]

I'm starting to consider going Gemling first. By the time I'm on my second or third character GGG is bound to have reset the tree due to build breaking changes RIGHT?

So then I could go from like a Grenadier Gemling to Summoner Gemling

[warm drum]

my dream is chonk and using hand of chayula + Decay + Chaotic Freeze + Freezing Mark to set up frostfire ignites

[pearl sluice]

riiiight ~huff cope~ of course they will

[icy turtle]

you wont have to worry about respec. it'll be cheap and easy with gold.

[misty shell]

If into the breach is socketable/has a duration tag chayula monk is going to be OP as fuck

[modern tangle]

ok well, just don't make it complicated ok

[cedar river]

@icy turtle I doubt it will be cheap to respec a 90+ character?

[warm drum]

My main question with the chonk is if you specialize into breach if you can just get the flames in any ole breach

[rancid frost]

Probably still okay when we’re pulling in endgame gold

[icy turtle]

stay broke I guess

[warm drum]

Maybe - I mean if you want to spend hours on reddit/tools rather than just playing the game - if you get stuck in progression, reroll?

[cedar river]

Is gold account wide or bound to character?

[dawn robin]

arcane surge nerfed?

[thorny path]

If it works like poe1, it's bound to the league of the character that earned it

[silent prawn]

You get the flames everywhere

[cedar river]

@thorny path I have a feeling EA will last way longer than any league

[thorny path]

The principle remains the same, bound to league

[silent prawn]

EA is a league in itself.

[vital plume]

does the blood magic node overwrite sanguimancy?

[warped jackal]

Where is this mentioned?

[cedar river]

GGG plan to not scrap it on launch

[icy turtle]

I think so but there's really no way to tell yet

[cedar river]

you will probably not be able to create new characters on it, but you will be able to continue playing there

[vital plume]

bloody hope it does

[cedar river]

So EA will probably be like standard league with some bonked items

Might not get new content from leagues 🤷‍♂️

[near acorn]

Seems that into the breach is the skill that makes the Flames of Chayula buff available, not the buff itself. So you might extend the duration of the breach you spawn, but not the duration of the buffs. AFAICT

[cedar river]

When I think about it, it will probably get new content from league, probably harder to keep seperate code base for it

[rancid frost]

Yeah would assume it just takes the mana cost off

[warm drum]

do you think decaying hex's 'decay' debuff is affected by curse effect or nah?

[gloomy lodge]

Does endless munitions work with crossbow skills, such as rapid shot?

[silent prawn]

It should as crossbow is the only weapon wit ammunition

[proven quest]

It says skills, so it should even work with spells that have projectiles

[strange ivy]

so what ascendency is the Skeleton Army one ? Infernalist because of Life = more Spirit ?

[gloomy lodge]

I mean going deadeye with endless munitions+tail wind with the "machine gun" skill (rapid shot) could be pretty nice no?

[rancid frost]

Definitely a good option if you want max mob numbers

[left grail]

If there's %reduced spirit reservation of minions on non-notables Titan might also be an option to raise count, but I think that'd be doubtful.

[hoary bolt]

invoker minions

[left grail]

no spirit from other gear slots, though

[hoary bolt]

logic isnt allowed

[rancid frost]

For sure - pretty much guaranteed that ascendancy gets nerfed tho

[silent prawn]

Amulet seems to give spirit and scepter of course

[hoary bolt]

endgame scepter ggg showed had 197 spirit

[left grail]

for invoker, was replying to Xantho

[hoary bolt]

yeah i was just joking btw

hence the galxy brain

[snow sierra]

I wont be going infernalist for sure, just in case minions is bonked, i dont wanna play the alternativ speccs infernalist has to offer

and since we cant respecc acendencys urg

[ancient geyser]

why would minions be bonked?

[hoary bolt]

no spectres at launch

[snow sierra]

I mean specters are mission for example

[ancient geyser]

oh damn

[left grail]

no spectres on launch?

[snow sierra]

yes

[hoary bolt]

nope

[abstract meadow]

chronomancer grenade spam might be fun. probably mana problems

[left grail]

huh

[ancient geyser]

that is sad but i'm sure minions work fine without spectres too

[hoary bolt]

https://www.reddit.com/r/PathOfExile2/comments/1h7j20h/psa_bind_spectre_will_not_be_available_at_the/

[left grail]

unfortunate

[snow sierra]

maybe but i dont wanna risk it that i only want to play one specc of my acendency

and bloodmage or chrononomancer minions sounds fun too if it works

[hoary bolt]

i justed post a link on discord, of a screenshot of a post on discord

anyway it was faster

[cinder river]

For lingering Illusion - Does Unbreakable (40% stun threshhold while using ability)

Does this work and will it always be on as the Lingering Illusion is a persistent ability?

[silent prawn]

Without necromancer we will see a bit more spread class choices for minion. Even tho infernalist seems to be the go to

[left grail]

I doubt "use" works with persistent skills - presumably you'd need channeled skills / other skills would qualify during cast/attack time.

It seems like a decent fit for active block abilities, since iirc how much you can block is based on your stun treshold.

[woven bough]

so in theory, can i pick pathfinder, use a shotgun crossbow and make it work? i love mercs moveset but wanna do a stacking poison build

d4 didnt let me mix weapons like that so im kinda new to the idea

[frail jay]

Yeah, although with the way poison works idk that the shotgun crossbow will be the best option, probably something better

[snow sierra]

Internalist will be for sure a save bet for minions the question here is are minions reasonable strong without support from acendencys

[undone ingot]

absolutely

[woven bough]

im so stuck in between ranger/merc

will try to make it work tho i suppose

[pearl sluice]

#2┃general message

Or you use the actual link to the message

[hoary bolt]

i already had the link copied so it was quick

[static plinth]

Do we know how much Life the average character without STR or gear investment should have at endgame?

[buoyant bone]

Any Witch Infer?

[hoary bolt]

nope

[silent prawn]

Lots

[hoary bolt]

we have no idea of the roll ranges of life mods

[frail jay]

I mean we could figure it out, we just need to know life gain per level

[hoary bolt]

or how high a t1 will be

[frail jay]

they said without gear

[static plinth]

Gear investment means life mods, i mean only life per level

[buoyant bone]

Anything I can follow or is it too early?

[hoary bolt]

the 'out' slipped past my brain

god I need sleep

[static plinth]

F

Sleep and the game will be out

Just think

[silent prawn]

Ghazzy on YouTube probably, or Kay

[hoary bolt]

i need to preload

[snow sierra]

go sleep poe 2 will be there faster if you do 😉

[hoary bolt]

also im not gonna sleep for 22 hours lol

[static plinth]

Maybe ill make the triple Beidat build work

Since quartering my Life would work well with Demon Form + Black Doubt

[hoary bolt]

you cannot escape beidats gaze

[snow sierra]

weak sleep 22h and then be up for the next 70h

[static plinth]

Fuck me, Demon Form is just making Weeping Wounds Tinctures work all over again

[snow sierra]

demon form is so cool i hope they fix the weapon problem

[static plinth]

Have we seen Ming's Heart or am i misremembering

[frail jay]

So how does this sound: Cast on Shock, Something that hits fast (eye of winter?), Elemental Discharge. And then have Ball Lightning to apply shocks really fast

[snow sierra]

If they fix it its back to beach for me for sure

[frail jay]

oo on stormweaver with elemental storms on crit

[ancient geyser]

i'm starting infernalist later on as a future character, hopefully by then demon form is fixed

😭

[snow sierra]

or maybe go bloodmage and hope they allow acendency respecc soon mhhh

uff...infernals sub notes are 3% life

god dam

[frail jay]

actually nah this should be invoker too for invocation

yeah %life is a lot rarer

[snow sierra]

ye

[frail jay]

Just get forbidden flesh and flame for the ES from body armor as life from blood mage

[woven sinew]

For infernalist?

[snow sierra]

yes

[frail jay]

Wait Archmage doesn't only work on spells with mana costs

[native widget]

Wdym

[frail jay]

Elemental Discharge, Elemental Expression, and Elemental Storm are all spells that don't cost mana I assume

[native widget]

Ahhhhhhh

[frail jay]

But Archmage just says it works on all your spells

[native widget]

Humm

Maybe

[icy turtle]

so would archmage work with blood magic?

[frail jay]

We'll have to see if the tooltip is the same

no

you have no maximum mana with blood magic

[icy turtle]

oh right

it scales with max mana

[simple ledge]

do we know if the infernalist node that let all damage „contribute to ignite chance and magnitude“ does anything for fire skills? or is it just there so other spell types can cause ignite?

[frail jay]

yeah fire does that by default

it's for other damage types

[verbal totem]

Dumb question have there been any idk what to call it beta access (prior to EA) who tried running Merc with low/minimal grenade usage? Not sure if it looks viable from the footage I've seen but I think it might be fun to rely more on the shooty part than explosions

[frail jay]

I think it's really just that the grenades are balanced to be higher damage but with a cooldown, so if you're using the crossbow and scaling crossbow damage you might as well put on the grenades

[native widget]

lol it would also work with sigil of power no?

Sigil of Power

[frail jay]

because they will automatically have synergy

[verbal totem]

Yeah that makes sense, it's basically just extra damage

[frail jay]

you could skip using the grenades and do fine I imagine

Like if I was doing poison crossbow I might not use the grenades

[verbal totem]

God that racking sound on the burst shots is just a treat though

[real comet]

Will summon raging spirits be in poe2?

[frail jay]

yes it is

[real comet]

yay

[snow sierra]

seems like it but it works diffrent

[thick thunder]

do we know base ignite duration?

[simple ledge]

yeah i was wondering more about the „magnitude“ part. I know ignite scales with damage done but also „ignite magnitude“

but its unclear to me whether that skill description just describes it like that or if it might actually buff ignite magnitude

[verbal totem]

I wonder if there's cold grenades, I know we got poison, fire, electric and physical

[frail jay]

magnitude is the base damage of the ignite, fire hits apply to ignite chance and magnitude by default

[simple ledge]

yes but there is also gear and nodes that increases „ignite magnitude“

[icy turtle]

how would I make the most out of blood barbs? big elemental crit spell? would I even need to put bleed chance on it or would it automatically bleed because of blood barbs?

[frail jay]

bleed flameblast

you need to get chance elsewhere

[fiery pendant]

Am I the only one that thinks that infernalist is super meh for minions? Dog and altered flesh are good, but the rest are boring or antisynergistic (reservations are bait, for demon form you might as well play spellcasters, mana is good-ish but ignite doesn't work well with an army and the 20% fire damage is conditional and boring)

[verbal totem]

Or, hmmm might try doing a crossbow/mace hybrid. You get a bunch of extra weapon points that might make pathing viable. Cold to freeze enemies, pull out a big 2h bonk stick and shatter then sounds fun. Probably not a huge amount of synergy I'm guessing. Guess we'll have to see.

[frail jay]

support gem is 60%, assuming passives will have some chance

[frail jay]

reservations aren't bait though

[icy turtle]

I see. that clears it up a lot thanks

[summer pasture]

There is a poison gas grenade

[abstract meadow]

yeh there might be some cool stuff with the weapon spec points. pocket hammer of the gods n shit

[real comet]

I'm not seeing anything in witch ascendancies for minions

[frail jay]

Yeah but idk if "poison gas" has anything to do with the poison ailment or if it's just a shitty chaos DoT that you can use for fire explosions

[frail jay]

infernalist spirit + dog

[native zinc]

thats what i'm leaning on rn

fire minions

[icy turtle]

bringer of flame and seething body

[abstract meadow]

warbringer buffing its acestral minions + others along with jade and warcries sounds kinda fun

[snow sierra]

Infernalist will work for sure for minions. Titan could be good, Gemling could be good

[hidden tartan]

Anyone knows if Firestorms One impact every 0.10 seconds means it hits every 0.1 sec?

[frail jay]

warbringer also depending on how good the minions are

[fast slate]

50 spirit? oof

[frail jay]

yes but it's not guaranteed to hit, it's smaller areas within a large area

[native widget]

oof, wasnt it 30 before

[frail jay]

Who cares it's OP

[snow sierra]

Well if minion dont need acendency support to work well all bets are off

[native zinc]

i'm really curious as to how a hellhound with the support gems will turn out

[fast slate]

can you cast spells while on it?

[frail jay]

bow skills only

[icy turtle]

would be cool if you could ride the hellhound too

[maiden karma]

The leak said it has an ignite aura that scales with its life

[frail jay]

You get on the rhoa and use bow skills and they have no movement penalty

[frail jay]

source? That sounds crazy

[native zinc]

now that sounds awesome

[frail jay]

Infernal legion is also minion RF

just have super DoT dog

[maiden karma]

Source is the leak that caused GGG to post ascendancies themselves

[frail jay]

I haven't heard anything about that

And didn't GGG say they were doing it anyways?

[maiden karma]

They showed tooltips for the ascendancy skills

The dog ignites nearby enemies as if dealing 20% of its life as damage or something like that

[frail jay]

also ignite aura or burn aura?

what the fuck

20% is crazy

[real comet]

Infernalist, summon raging spirits build gonna go hard in poe2?

[native widget]

WTF

[maiden karma]

And the quality was more life

[native zinc]

i want to scale that so hard

[thick thunder]

can phys still inflict poison?

[maiden karma]

Yes

[frail jay]

quality???

how do you get quality on the dog lmao

[maiden karma]

Very carefully

We don't actually know how you get quality now

[wild meadow]

can meta triggers like cast on freeze trigger themselves if you socket in something like comet which says that hits freeze?

[maiden karma]

They said it was more of an endgame thing now

[fiery pendant]

what fire spells are you going to use to trigger srs?

[prime raft]

guys how do i start predownloading if im not on steam

[native zinc]

ember fuselage is my first pick

[maiden karma]

Triggers can't generate energy

[tawdry slate]

Will Monk get near permenent double breach ring effect with his into the breach skill?

[silent prawn]

Firewall

[frail jay]

Yeah but how do you get quality on a skill from an ascendancy class

It's not a gem

[tawdry slate]

I heard johnathan say breach rings will be much better than other rings in poe2.

[icy turtle]

minion quality??

[wild meadow]

got it. And i'm guessing like poe1 we cant trigger a channeled skill like flameblast

[maiden karma]

Breach rings don't have that feature anymore, they have a 50% quality cap now

[frail jay]

nope

can't

[fiery pendant]

enhance 4head

[native zinc]

i wonder if firewall would shoot 5 out each time due to the area

[real comet]

Cast on ignite summon raging spirits are busted LOL LOL

[maiden karma]

We don't know

[frail jay]

actually true

[wild meadow]

figures. Was trying to think if i could automate a freeze to use flameblast frostfire

[frail jay]

probably item affixes that work with quality too

[tawdry slate]

@maiden karma They made the announcement less than 20 days ago that breach rings will have the best and unique stats and effects.

[frail jay]

But... fire damage already does that

[fiery pendant]

do we know if last gasp works with minion instability?

[frail jay]

Also lots of tiny hits is bad for ignite

[tawdry slate]

In the 90 minute EA reveal video.

[undone ingot]

unlikely because the minion health never gets to zero

[frail jay]

I mean probably at the end of the timer

[maiden karma]

They already showed us that it's just 50% quality cap

[near wasp]

are there going to be aura bot support builds again?

[frail jay]

or wait yeah it would do nothing

[real comet]

is it not giving more of a chance though?

[frail jay]

doubt it

[simple ledge]

does shock do any damage? or is it "just" a stun ?

[frail jay]

electrocute is a stun

[maiden karma]

Shock increases damage taken

[frail jay]

shock is a damage increase

[real comet]

it make enemies take more damage I think

[native widget]

its additive with other take more damage mods

[maiden karma]

It makes them take incresed damage

[simple ledge]

ok that explains why having shock stack twice is good then

[maiden karma]

Shock is basically a final damage increase

[fiery pendant]

since spectres are dead i might go popcorn srs -> cast on minion death -> power offering with a couple of skele priests, get a lot of charges and summon zombos

[wild meadow]

does cast on freeze only build energy on the main linked skill or does it build energy from any main skill?

[tawdry slate]

Wait, do breach rings still have stats doubled inside a breach?

[sterile sinew]

What's the deal with Wave of frost? It says "Hits are freezing. Hits freeze as though dealing 350% more damage". Does it mean guaranteed freezing? Even on bosses?

[maiden karma]

No, like I already said

[real comet]

wait, can I cast summon raging spirits on their own?

[frail jay]

It builds up energy whenever you freeze an enemy with a non-triggered skill, once per skill use

[fiery pendant]

srs now triggers when you use a fire spell

[tawdry slate]

Well then what is the benefit of always being in a breach?

[simple ledge]

its a passive (Spirit Gem)

[real comet]

dang

[maiden karma]

Freeze has a chance to happen based on how much damage the hit does, wave of frost always does freeze buildup regardless of how weak it hits

[frail jay]

oh that makes a lot of sense ok

[fiery pendant]

looks like the ember skill + srs will work kinda like old srs but on 2 waves

[sterile sinew]

yeah sounds right

[real comet]

ember skill?

[simple ledge]

Okay another question about curses, can curses be stacked or can one enemy only be affected by 1 curse?

[maiden karma]

1 unless you increase the limit

[frail jay]

kripp giving away EA keys on stream right now for people that still need a key

[wild meadow]

gotcha

[real comet]

what's this ember skill???

[fiery pendant]

Ember Fusillade

[real comet]

oh ok

what's that

[simple ledge]

ok, that makes sense, Blashphemy would have been broken otherwise i guess

[verbal totem]

Just had an idea for a unique mechanic that's probably never gonna happen but would be a blast to play. Dual type or 'counts as' weapons where it can be used for both it's own skills and another weapon types e.g. 'Breeching Crossbow, counts as a shield'

[fiery pendant]

fortunately whispers of doom seems to still be a thing, so getting 2 + gear should be easy

[simple ledge]

how big was Blashphemy Radius in PoE1 ?

[undone ingot]

actually pretty likely something like that (but not shield) will happen. theres a unique in poe1 that counts as all weapon types

[hoary plover]

poe1 has a sword that counts as all 1h weapon types and a 2h axe that counts as dual wielding, so there's precident for it. probably would be like a single unique though and not a common mechanic

[fiery pendant]

cowards, they should let us go dual shields

[verbal totem]

Oooooh, neat, honestly I hope they do a shield/crossbow, throw on a close range damage amp as it's other unique feature.

[hoary plover]

1h crossbow + riot shield for full seal team six gameplay

[verbal totem]

Shield charge into a double barrel frost shot would just feel incredible

[maiden karma]

Weapon swap

[undone ingot]

you can do that with current weapon swap

live your dreams

[verbal totem]

I probably will tbh, I think with the +20 weapon swap node on witch hunter it should be viable (I mean probably not optimal or amazing, but solidly playable)

[fiery pendant]

what's the best way of cashing in bonestorm stacks?

[maiden karma]

Don't think you'll even need that tbh

[verbal totem]

Plus there's gotta be knockback skills on mace/shield for distance control

[maiden karma]

Skellies hitting them

[fast slate]

have you guys decided on a starter yet?

[verbal totem]

Or leap slam for getting out of a corner

[verbal totem]

Witch hunter ranged/melee hybrid as of like 60 seconds ago

[fiery pendant]

if only bonestorm could proc itself

[honest hawk]

bro lives in here yapping away

[haughty sluice]

so i heard spears might not be comign out oinn early patch can anyone confirm or deny this?

[lucid hare]

no spears

[verbal totem]

'tactical breach exile'

[fast slate]

that's surely coming with huntress in later patch

[lucid hare]

they are thematically linked to the huntress class

[haughty sluice]

😢

[pearl sluice]

I'm throwing my minion build starter out of the window because of the spectre issues and instead gonna roll a witchhunter

[frail jay]

Blocking people on discord when you can still see their messages and then complaining that they talk

[lucid hare]

but! spears will be coming soon alongside druid

[sterile sinew]

If my skill converts 80% of damage to cold and I support it with added cold (25% of damage as cold damage)

• does the support add 25% of remaining 20% physical damage?
• or does it converts the remaining 20% to cold (and 5% is lost)
• or does it add 25% of combined cold+phys damage as cold? (probably this one?)

[lucid hare]

probably 2-3 months

[frail jay]

last one

[distant dome]

"Can't play witch? HUNT THEM INSTEAD" - @pearl sluice

[frail jay]

It also happens at the conversion step, the conversion and gain happen at the same time basically, not that it really matters

[pearl sluice]

hell yeah

[real comet]

this is the build I'm gonna try first, looks like shit but it might be fun

[frail jay]

yes that's a super shit build

[real comet]

Idk how to build in poe 2

[frail jay]

You want big hits with ignite, and fusilade is like the tiniest fire hit you can do

Also cast on ignite is casting nothing there

[pearl sluice]

[frail jay]

If you want to do damage with ignite use flameblast or avatar of fire with something like comet

Flameblast should be good to get some SRS because it has a big area though

[real comet]

I thought cast on ignite was the main spell, but it's not

[fiery pendant]

do cast on ignite fireball + lots of projectiles, each projectile will summon a raging spirit

[frail jay]

cast on ignite charges when you ignite and then casts linked spells after charging enough

[real comet]

ah

[fiery pendant]

you use 1 spell to start the chain, then hope that raging spirits + cast on ignite can loop

[pearl sluice]

firestorm might be good option as well with cast on ignite

[thick thunder]

ok hear me out, high velocity rounds ignite

[pearl sluice]

or what was it called

[frail jay]

it can't

[fiery pendant]

why not?

[frail jay]

minions cannot proc trigger skills

it's when YOU ignite

minions can only do Cast on Minion Death

[native zinc]

if the hellhound has an ignite aura cast on ignite SRS might be pretty sweet

[fiery pendant]

okay use cast on minion death instead

[frail jay]

And Barrier Invocation I guess

[native widget]

they made sure theres no inf self cast loop lol

[frail jay]

Cast on Minion Death probably doesn't work with SRS

[fiery pendant]

not when ending duration, butpopcorn srs should work tho

[frail jay]

probably not

[real comet]

why doesn't raging spirits appear in the last 5 for the support gems?

[frail jay]

CoMD works on the "defensive power" of minions, I'm guessing SRS have basically none. It's very obvious to disable the thing that spawns infinite free minions from working with CoMD

[fiery pendant]

maybe it works with increased minion life

will need to test

[frail jay]

I doubt it, I assume defensive power is something based on the minion type

[maiden karma]

Hellhound can't trigger anything cause it's a minion, and SRS is a reserve that spawns them when you use fire spells

[frail jay]

like all SRS have the same power regardless of stats

all spectres of a specific mob are the same, etc

[real comet]

is there a place to make a build that's better than the shit site I'm using?

[fiery pendant]

once again, ggg cutting our wings before we can even start

[simple ledge]

i think it will work with CoMD but extremly slowly

[frail jay]

mspaint

mspaint is the best place to make a build

[distant dome]

I'm really curious on the health/defensive power of offerings. Can I run Infernal Legion on Bone/Pain offering? What's their defensive power for ComD if they don't die from expiration

[fiery pendant]

bone seems to block 1 hit regardless of power right?

[distant dome]

No idea

[rancid frost]

i suspect they're pretty low life

[thick thunder]

is more additive? like is 150% more = 250% base?

[distant dome]

I might end up running something like Last Gasp on my Power offerings, so they can't be killed before I get power charges

[frail jay]

good idea

[sterile sinew]

If I have a totem with sunder in one swap slot and a bow in another. I place totem and switch to bow. Does totem lose the passives bonuses cause I swapped the tree?

[frail jay]

wait that's a really good idea

[real comet]

Maybe this is a good build, idfk

[frail jay]

power offering for monk back on the menu

[short rover]

SRS doesnt need to be triggered

[frail jay]

^

[maiden karma]

SRS is a separate reserve skill

[silent prawn]

We don't know how snapshotting works yet

[native widget]

add fire?

[real comet]

Where does it go to trigger COI????

[maiden karma]

IT CAN'T

[alpine vigil]

it's inherently triggered

[frail jay]

You also really want to identify what you're scaling and what you want to do damage with. Do you want to do damage with fire spells? Do you want to do damage with ignite? Do you want to do damage with minions?

[peak fox]

srs gets triggered by fire spells

[fiery pendant]

coi only triggers with your own ignites

[real comet]

minions

[distant dome]

I was going to use Power offering + Cast while channeling to fuel Bonestorm, but it looks like each bolt of bonestorm can consume a power charge. At 5:52 in the witch preview video you can see a cast of bonestorm appear to consume 2 power charges with 1 cast... but there was 1 other unknown spell that -could- have been a power consumnig spell. That being said, my plans to be having left over power charges to fuel zombies is probably dead D:

[real comet]

I want to use SRS and scale them

[native zinc]

you can summon them with any fire spell

[real comet]

can I summon them on my own?

[short rover]

SRS will trigger itself whenever you use a fire spell

you use another fire spell and SRS will print lil guys

[fiery pendant]

it takes a while to get the charge, maybe you can time it

[native zinc]

you will have to spec them as a skill but they trigger on any of your fire spells after that

[distant dome]

nah

[frail jay]

ok if you wanna do minions then just run SRS, fireball or something to summon them, then throw on Skeletal Arsonist and Skeletal Reaver or w/e the guys are that kill themselves

[simple ledge]

Base duration is 4 seconds
Limit 10 Summoned Raging Spirits
Fire Area Spells summon a Spirit per 1.5 metres of radius
Projectiles from Fire Spells summon a Spirit on hit
Maximum 5 Spirits summoned per Spell cast

[frail jay]

Arsonist can blow up the reavers when they get low for big fire aoes

[distant dome]

Finding out that Trick shot can't bounce back to main target made me sadge, or at least that's how it works in PoE 1 with ricochet

I might just put something like fork on bonestorm and use it as a debuff, rather than a main damage source. RIP

[frail jay]

bonestorm hammer of the gods

[distant dome]

Unless the power charges on bonestorm really make it slap

[warm drum]

for the new 'gain x% of damage with hits as y type', can you get like more chaos damage on top of chaos damage, for instance using hexblast with reality rending, or does it only add from a different type initially?

[real comet]

will there be a way to make fireball do this?

[native widget]

wild shard?

[frail jay]

same type

[short rover]

wildshards, volley

multi proj

yeah that exists

[real comet]

perfect

[fiery pendant]

btw can we do something with the contagion + unearth tech? diseased minions are a cool concept

[silent prawn]

Also pierce probably

[fiery pendant]

maybe a poison armorbreak contagion

[frail jay]

???

[maiden karma]

Contagion can't poison

[frail jay]

oh new contagion can

neat

[sterile sinew]

Mantra of destruction says "build combo by successfully striking enemies with other skills". Does "striking" means that it shoul only be strike skills (probably this)? Or only quarterstaff skills? Or just any attacks? Or only melee attacks?

[real comet]

wait can SRS summon itself if it does fire damage?

[frail jay]

If the enemy dies while affected by Contagion, it and all other Chaos damage over time debuffs spread to nearby enemies and refresh their durations.

[short rover]

no

[simple ledge]

Fire Area Spells summon a Spirit per 1.5 metres of radius
Projectiles from Fire Spells summon a Spirit on hit

NO

[peak fox]

fire spells you cast summon raging spirits

[maiden karma]

Pretty sure poison is an ailment and not a chaos damage over time debuff

[short rover]

SRS is a buff skill in PoE2, not a spell. Fire Spells summon raging spirits, therefore SRS itself cannot

[frail jay]

it's both

[fiery pendant]

"Reanimating or detonating a corpse affected by Contagion will cause the minion or explosion to spread Contagion on hit." doesnt mention the other ailments

[maiden karma]

I dunno

[thick thunder]

thats gotta be wrong right? surely AP rounds dont do 7 vs armour breakers 1562

[sterile sinew]

level difference

[maiden karma]

Breaker is much higher level in that comparison

[thick thunder]

ahh

[maiden karma]

And you can probably fire all those bolts in the time it will take to do 1 breaker swing

[sterile sinew]

and attack speed ofc

[atomic garden]

Any good go to builds for witch?

[maiden karma]

No

[frail jay]

hm it might not be in poe2 actually, it is in poe1

[short rover]

no and anyone who says yes is lying because we dont even know 80% of the tree

[silent prawn]

Any

[frail jay]

what? That's not true. We know archmage stormweaver is gonna be good

[short rover]

we're all gonna have to log in and figure it out together

[short rover]

thats not a build

[native zinc]

gotta remember too the ascendancies will take a few hours to get to

[short rover]

thats a concept of a plan

[frail jay]

how is that not a build

ball lightning spamming stormweaver with archmage

just stack a bunch of mana ez

[native zinc]

that still sounds like a concept

[short rover]

usually when people ask for builds they are asking for BUILDS, not concepts

[frail jay]

[light frigate]

You can do this as a blood mage too tho

[fiery pendant]

literally archmage is the strongest thing we know of atm, grab all the mana you can, grab Mom, done

[native widget]

got nerfed

[frail jay]

blood mage version got nerfed really hard

[fiery pendant]

already?

[light frigate]

How?

[native widget]

yes

[frail jay]

costs interrupt recovery now

recharge*

[light frigate]

Oh, you mean the EY build

[frail jay]

so you can't do eternal youth MoM

[warm drum]

I think archmage will be pretty good with stormweaver and chalupa monk

[frail jay]

idk about chalupa

[slender sparrow]

@hoary bolt can u provide me with ur flicker monk planning? I really want to play flicker in poe2 but I never did in poe1 so I’m nub

[light frigate]

Still can go blood mage over storm weaver if you want, it's actually not bad still

[warm drum]

you don't need to attack at all for mana leech, the mana shards give you 14% mana and ES instantly

[native zinc]

chalupa monk comes with a free door dash coupon

[sly stump]

Anyone planning a chaos dot build? Any ideas as to whether it’ll feel good and be viable?

[wanton dawn]

Flicker also tier 13 skill so more late game / gotta do other stuff early

[frail jay]

ok but the whole reason chalupa monk is good is the instant leech, and relying on running over the occasional blue shard for 14% mana is awful when archmage is going to make every spell cast delete a ton of your mana

[maiden karma]

Basically gemling is the only viable option

[frail jay]

huh?

[sterile latch]

yeah i dont think archmage chayula will work so well

[short rover]

im coping that life leech for spells doesnt exist (except for bloodmage) but mana leech does somewhere

[fiery pendant]

if only gemling pathing was closer to witch

[sly stump]

Why’s that?

[snow sierra]

the problem with gemling and titan could be the switch out notes from witch

like worse minion notes

damit there gos my none witch minion builds maybe

[olive tide]

so with bloodmage bloodbarbs node your fire spells will cause a bleed and ignite? dope

[maiden karma]

ED and contagion both want the same supports and gemling is the only one capable of actually doing that

[silent prawn]

Only starting area

[snow sierra]

ye but if the starting area has something like 50% minion dmg it will hurt

[silent prawn]

That likely won't be in starting. I guess

[sly stump]

Oh yeah, good point. I was imagining putting the canonical gems on contagion and then figuring out some good ones for ED. I guess you have a point that there might not be good ones left. I didn’t play chaos dot in poe1, so I haven’t dug deep into support skills yet.

[warped jackal]

Yea i wanted to do a chonk poison build

[maiden karma]

Poison isn't chaos DoT

[fiery pendant]

maybe you could spread contagion with zombos (which gets you 20 seconds) and focus on supporting ED?

[visual roost]

Hi guys, if you go with something like Witch - Blood Mage and then focus on fire spells, will it count as spell (sorceress) 8% or still witch 5%?

[maiden karma]

Still witch

[fiery pendant]

a witch is a witch is a witch

[silent prawn]

Can't you answer that yourself?

[visual roost]

Does it mean that generally speaking the spells will be weaker? Due to the passives

[distant dome]

For archmage, any idea how this cost will get added to channeled spells?

[maiden karma]

Per tick

[frail jay]

[silent prawn]

Yeah a bit. But then you have better minions too.

[visual roost]

Was looking to make a non minion blood mage focused on fire spells. Initally I wanted to make a Infernalist - demon but I heard that it overwrites the weapon completely, so I wanted to wait they balance it

[near acorn]

I believe I heard in the ziz interview that mana leech on spells will never exist, and elemental life leech does but is rare

[thick thunder]

do we know if crossbows still have the grenade launch slot or are they just skill gems now

[warped jackal]

Oh? I thought poison = Dot

[short rover]

https://tenor.com/view/fade-away-oooooooooooo-aga-emoji-crumble-gif-20008708

[near acorn]

found a link https://youtu.be/4lB3TM5FrsY?t=1866

[visual roost]

Blood magic on blood mage worth? Or too far

[maiden karma]

It is, but when people talk about chaos DoT they specifically mean ED/contagion

[fiery pendant]

the ascendancy should make up for the differences if build properly (dunno about crit chance)

[maiden karma]

Worth if you're going that way

[native zinc]

bloodmage does get spell leech

[warped jackal]

ahh okay my bad! Still new to this

[distant dome]

spell life leach

[lyric dirge]

hello, sorry if it's been asked already, any pointers for builds with minimum actions per minute ? I'm injured, gotta rest for a few weeks and cant spam much

[maiden karma]

Minions would be the least active

[fiery pendant]

tbh i think that melee blood mage will be better? abuse the guaranteed crit on sunder

[devout dew]

ok can i have an ear of someone who will be doing Invoker Monk(I am focusing on Frost)

[fair scarab]

any good websites for builds guides?

[fiery pendant]

i'd wait a week or 2 for any guide

[hoary plover]

there are no guides. only rough plans

[warm drum]

we cant even make mirror item pobs and pretend they are our starters

[fiery pendant]

the only builds I trust are made in Paint and get -10 upvotes on the poebuilds reddit

[real comet]

is infernal leagon support gem in poe 2?

[fiery pendant]

yes

[real comet]

Perfect

[fiery pendant]

Minions from Supported Skills take 20% of their maximum Life as Fire Damage per second
Minions from Supported Skills deal 5% of their maximum Life as Fire Damage per second to nearby enemies

[real comet]

Popcorn SRS here I come

[warm drum]

i am glad i can now play righteous fire as a burning mommy

[maiden karma]

@frail jay hypothetically speaking, do you think this crystal could be contagioned?

[frail jay]

[devout dew]

ok i hate myself

[gray sail]

does each point in passive tree = 1 level?

[frail jay]

I mean sure

seems like it

[devout dew]

its causing me too much headaches - i might try doing something i originally wanted to do

either Warrior or Mercenary

[fiery pendant]

as someone who has desperately tried to cheese hydrosphere i'm 100% confident you won't be able to

[devout dew]

just wonder who will be doing the 2

[frail jay]

What's wrong with the monk build?

[devout dew]

i was misinformed

[frail jay]

hydrosphere doesn't have an hp bar you can hit

seems like this spawns a neutral mob

[fiery pendant]

by that logic you could prolif ailments with it

[real comet]

is minion instability on the passive tree for poe 2?

[fiery pendant]

supp gem

[real comet]

oh?

alrighty

[warm drum]

it is interesting in that it's worded quite differently from the tempest bell and that should mean the game treats it differently

[fiery pendant]

there was a passive that gave 'Crystals' more life right? maybe there are more skills like that

[maiden karma]

Why would you want to give it more life if it has no other interactions besides just breaking it?

[swift aspen]

can ancestral warrior totem load more than one hammer skill? it says 'skills' in the tooltip

[real comet]

alrighty, now I'm cooking

[warm drum]

i guess my q with the ice crystal is if things like the various monk palm/hand attacks work, and if it does things like curse/poison/ailment prolif

[fiery pendant]

that looks better

[swift aspen]

your fireballs will do very little damage, can only spawn 5 spirits per cast so it's overkill for spawning them, and I don't think they have a high health pool so instability won't do anything

[thorny path]

are you going for a no damage build

[sterile sinew]

If I have two enemies - 1 in the front is frozen and another one in the back isn't. I shoot the first one with piercing projectile which has Biting Frost support (consumes freeze to guarantee crit). Projectile pierces the first one and hits the other one. Does it crit both or just the first one? In other words is critical strike a property of the attack or a property of hit?

[real comet]

I thought the point of the fire ball was to go for the most hits and not damage only to summon the raging spirits

[tidal copper]

That's the clear ability
Then you the solar orb thing for bosses

[thorny path]

You know Raging Spirits caps at 5 spirits summoned per skill use, fireball probably hits that base

[real comet]

why does raging spirits cap at 5?

[swift aspen]

read the tooltip for it

[real comet]

bigass nerf

[fiery pendant]

5 per cast

[frail jay]

You're not going to be doing great damage with just SRS too if you're trying to scale minion damage. You'll want to add more minions

it caps at 10

[swift aspen]

max 5 summons per cast

[lucid hare]

thats kinda dumb

[swift aspen]

10 max on screen

[real comet]

ok SRS is ass

[swift aspen]

they're good for mana battery

[thorny path]

Crit first one I believe

[frail jay]

SRS is fine, you should just have more minions for a minion build

[swift aspen]

you can get 50 mana per minion death

[lucid hare]

SRS literally only exists for minion death

[frail jay]

might not work with SRS we'll need to see

[swift aspen]

true but they're tagged as minion 🤷

[fiery pendant]

we lack information unfortunately, maybe you can scale lots of health with it

[swift aspen]

there aren't a ton of life nodes for minions

[fiery pendant]

necro aegis + a busted talisman for example

[frail jay]

I mean overcapping might not count as them dying, and they might be invuln minions like spirits from the weapon trigger mod in poe1

[swift aspen]

yeah itemization might

[swift aspen]

ahahaa that would be sad

it does say that mobs ignore them

so you could be right

[static plinth]

Technically those ones can die fine. They just dont die when unsummoned since they arent running out of duration

[fiery pendant]

mobs also ignored regular srs right?

[real comet]

does SRS at least count as a type of skeleton in poe2?

[static plinth]

They have a massive life pool, DR, and a little bit of regen though

[fiery pendant]

pretty sure that's a no

[swift aspen]

does anyone know if ancestral warrior totem can be loaded with more than one mace skill? tooltip says 'skills', showcase video only had one socketed

[fiery briar]

Do we have all info already?

[fiery pendant]

but i'm confident that they will have a busted use somewhere

[frail jay]

are we sure they can actually take damage and aren't invuln minions?

[static plinth]

Dancing Dervishes can take damage yeah, 2 SRS idk

[real comet]

is there a way to scale minion death at a fast rate to give some kind of advantage?

[static plinth]

Good ol Infernal Legion

[frail jay]

you can make minions blow up when they get to 35% HP

does damage

can also blow them up manually with skele arsonists

[real comet]

yeah, but how do I use minion death to scale?

[static plinth]

Like what do you put on Cast On Minion Death?

[swift aspen]

itemization, 50 mana on minion death, 3% heal on minion revive

[civic kiln]

hey guys, it's known if a player can pick all of ascendancies point or only some?

[swift aspen]

cast on minion death really depends on what they assign as defense power

[frail jay]

the minions blow up when they die and do damage

[swift aspen]

if it's low, that will suck

[fiery pendant]

dead srs don't respawn tho

[civic kiln]

how many ascendancies can be unlocked?

[static plinth]

We get 8 points

[maiden karma]

They have life and can take damage, enemies will just ignore them

[thorny path]

You get 8 points, can only pick one ascendancy

[hoary plover]

8 points

[frail jay]

was that shown?

[static plinth]

What do you mean? There are 3 subclasses per class, and you can choose only 1

[real comet]

cast on minion death firestorm?

[frail jay]

ok so no? we don't know if they will take damage?

[maiden karma]

I mean they do in 1

[swift aspen]

depends on the defense power per minion, but you can only have one active firestorm iirc

[real comet]

bruh

[static plinth]

Based on 1, they only take damage if they intercept an attack meant for you or get caught in an AoE

[hidden tartan]

If Cast on Crit becomes 10 energy per 0.1 sec cast time its going to be so trash.. dear lord

[fiery pendant]

don't give up, skeleton!

[frail jay]

there's srs inb 1 that don't take damage, and 1 also doesn't have a support gem that gives 50 mana when a supported minion dies they will balance around

[maiden karma]

[real comet]

SRS is way too nerfed now holy fuck

[thorny path]

buddy your only interest in srs was getting them to die

wtf are you talking about

[frail jay]

it's a 30 spirit minion when a minion build is expected to use like 400+ spirit on minions

minions are balanced by spirit cost now

maybe there will be a unique that uncaps SRS and makes it cost like 10 spirit per skull

[real comet]

I guess I'll go warrior and do totem volcanic fissure or something

[maiden karma]

30 spirit reserve for 10 minions, meaning they're 3 spirit minions

[frail jay]

ya

[maiden karma]

Lol

Lmao

[thorny path]

Now he's coping

lmao

[frail jay]

doubt it

[maiden karma]

Kek even

[frail jay]

literally fox and grapes thing

[thorny path]

rofl, perchance

[fiery pendant]

i mean half of our shit is bugged

[thorny path]

HE DELETED THE COPE

[frail jay]

Idk I feal like arsonist is gonna be VERY good

minion HP scaling explosions that will ignite automatically seems quite solid

also infernal legion being basically minion RF

minion HP scaling damage strong

[maiden karma]

Clearly the best way to play is half priests and half infernal instability brutes

[fiery pendant]

yeah but then you cant pick doggo or spirit res

[frail jay]

????

what are you talking about

[fiery pendant]

i'm assuming you get the auto ignite from the ascendancy?

[frail jay]

no? it's fire damage

[maiden karma]

Skelly arsonist can ignite on its own just fine

[fiery pendant]

ye i see it, was thinking of detonate dead

[frail jay]

oh yeah for DD you would have to

[hidden tartan]

do you guys think 266 spirit will be obtainable without scepters?

[frail jay]

although, gotta keep in mind that a minion explosion build doesn't take nearly as much spirit

you don't necessarily have to take the spirit node

[maiden karma]

The more I think about it the more I'm starting to enjoy the idea of ED/contagion gemling

[thorny path]

Not without an ascendancy

[frail jay]

tbh demonform might end up being better because of minion HP from +4 gem levels

[thorny path]

actually maybe we could

[hidden tartan]

we have (wild guess that 180 come from acts right?) and 15 from amulets and that's it besides scepters?

[thorny path]

180 is such a meme

[hidden tartan]

"wild guess"

[thorny path]

assuming we get 30 in every act is so pepega

[frail jay]

There's also spirit runes

I think it's 15 on wep and 10 on armor

[thorny path]

If you get spirit from every source you might get up there without a sceptre

[fiery pendant]

tabula rasa w 60 spirit LOGIN

[frail jay]

there's also reduced spirit reservation on tree

[hidden tartan]

I hope there are some spirit uniques I found a way to finally make coc op

[frail jay]

there's one for 12% for minions

[maiden karma]

Hol up, do we know if demon is more or just increased spell damage?