2┃build-planning

[ancient geyser]

so mana regen might actually be a problem as blood archmage

[livid hamlet]

That's fair, we will have to see.
Generic flat damage stacking would probably be better for bleed spells

[ancient geyser]

that's why i think it's risky to start as bloodmage archmage, but if you solve mana regen it's gonna be great

[livid hamlet]

Yeah the bleed from all elemental damage is looking juicy

But damn, even the regular mage looks mighty fine here

[snow sierra]

Well i am thinking about using bloodmage with Minions because there is a possible that life remenants proc from minion kills/crits too

[ancient geyser]

bloodmage minions is perfectly fine

[livid hamlet]

It does sound okay, but infernalist sounds stronger tbh

[ancient geyser]

this concern is just for archmage that puts some harsh mana costs in the build

[livid hamlet]

better defences

crapload of spirit

Doge

[snow sierra]

I dont like giving up 25% of my hp for spirit tho ^^

[livid hamlet]

It's okay, you give up the other 25% for Energy Shield

[ancient geyser]

i wonder if we'll have any other sources of life reservation

infernalist wasting 8 points just to get low life is crazy

[pastel forge]

Tbh, it should be fine if you just get the spell leech node

[snow sierra]

Building Energy shield in poe1 often did take way more investment/planning so it feels kinda iffiy to me to start with it

[ancient geyser]

true

and life remnants do heal a lot too

according to IMJUNGROAN professional baiter life remnants lvl 22 were healing 20%ish hp

[livid hamlet]

But we are talking aabout two different things here right ?
One is mana cost , other is life regen

[ancient geyser]

sorry not blood remnants, the blood orbs

[livid hamlet]

unless you plan to lifetap the archmage skill

which i didn't plan on doing

[ancient geyser]

no but with archmage it should add also put some heavy life cost too

the way it's worded is that it works like covenant in poe1

but no idea yet

[livid hamlet]

Sanguimancy reads

'base mana cost'

so the whole build is centered around the idea that additional archmage cost won't actually be addedd as life cost

[ancient geyser]

right, because archmage is no longer a support gem

you're most likely right

i want to believe you are

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/570702413086851083/1240747738568720394/erm.gif

[long trail]

Is having cold damage on an attack enough to get chill build up and eventually freeze a boss? Or is there a different specific stat you need?

[livid hamlet]

TBH there's a crapload of juicy builds laying all around

[ancient geyser]

arcane surge is so incredibly hard to trigger now though, 100% of your mana every 8 seconds for a loop is rough

[livid hamlet]

but leave it an idiot like me in this channel who made 1 build to actually try game start with a build that takes 5+ words to describe

It doesn't sound so hard with Archmage tbh

that's like a spell every 2 seconds

[snow sierra]

I have my Build, Life...Minions...dont care what acendency 😛

Me simple

[livid hamlet]

If you don't want to go for infernalist

gemling legionare will probably be great for minions

[snow sierra]

in terms of dmg for sure

[livid hamlet]

gem level, quality, and the multiple support usecase sounds pretty great for minions which would preferably like to share supports

[snow sierra]

I kinda hoping we have a or can build a minion spell with big cd, chronomancer would be cool then

Or bloodmage has a cool unique to interact with minions

[pastel forge]

Nah go titan minions

[snow sierra]

haha thought about that too

[livid ridge]

Where is this requirement to trigger arcane surge from?

[snow sierra]

If there are no new infors to blood mage my minion build will be chronomancer just because its cool and the defensive side of chronomancer will work no matter what

[ancient geyser]

skill description

[calm kite]

Started looking at the classes and ascendancies today and was wondering if "Acolyte Of Chayula" is the new trickster, as it has some nice ascendancy nodes for chaos dmg.
Main quest i have is how exactly will this skill work ? do you think I'll need to be in a breach for it to work ?

[livid hamlet]

It says you count as in breach

Basically once you pick this node you should be able to pick up easter eggs whenever you go

[sterile stone]

yes it will snapshot, you assign the skill to be casted with the 2 hand

[calm kite]

won't that be unfair ? free breach ?

[livid hamlet]

It just says that you are considered to be in beach, you won't actually spawn minions around you

we don't know what that even meands to be considered in breach right now

[calm kite]

oh okay

[livid hamlet]

probably some bonuses from breach uniques or gear like breach rings hads in PoE1

[grand roost]

no bonus

[pastel forge]

Isn't it just being able to pick up those orb thing on the floor for HP etc?

[swift aspen]

Is ancestral warrior totem for warrior only? I just see mace requirement and it isn’t an ascendancy skill

[snow sierra]

Is it confirmed btw that the infernalist doggo wont need spirit ?

[ancient geyser]

99.99% sure

[swift aspen]

Good question, also curious

[ancient geyser]

none of the tooltips shown had doggo with spirit

[crude forum]

confirmed

by viper

[swift aspen]

Anyone know this

[snow sierra]

nice thx

[pastel forge]

All skills outside of ascendancy can be used by any class

[unreal girder]

Are ballistas gonna persist if I swap to a different weapon?

Cos they dont in poe1 I think but wep swapping is kindof a core mechanic here

[tame sequoia]

What minions would you guys even use for a bloodmage minion build?

[sharp glade]

summoners dont usually need to spam a lot

[snow sierra]

dunno about minions we have to test when we play i would assume

[unreal girder]

I feel like poe2 summoners will be a lot more active

[silent prawn]

they should stick around, as long as they won't have spirit,

[swift aspen]

What sort of revival times are we looking at for minions, especially the infernal puppy? Whatever it like in PoE1?

[silent prawn]

skeletons?

[unreal girder]

Why should spirit be a factor if both sets have the same spirit

[sharp glade]

even if you are more active your damage doesnt depend on you spending mana like a selfcast build

[silent prawn]

poe1 didn'T have revival.
it was said it is 7 seconds with reset on additional minion death

[unreal girder]

Thats fair

[silent prawn]

that would be the next point 😄
if spirit stays the same they stick even more

[unreal girder]

I wonder if artillery ballista is going to stay fire dmg

[sharp glade]

i think im going hellhound->altered flesh->beidats will-> beidat's gaze and MOM

[snow sierra]

Is there a support that gives a skill a long cooldown for a dmg buff or something ?

[grand roost]

hourglass support

[livid hamlet]

It had Elementalist with Golems

they even outright compared this revival to elementalist golems in the reveal IIRC

[swift aspen]

How much spirit is estimated to be available via gear?

[sharp glade]

if your damage depends on minions and they all die, I doubt you are staying alive logn enough for them the revive

[peak peak]

Thinking of going elemental electric dmg, not sure if sorcerer or monk for that though. Thoughts?

[snow sierra]

i did hear ppl talking about 200-300 spirit from gear

[sharp glade]

an endgame example of an infernalist showed her with 560 spirit

and she got 140 from her ascendancy as she had 3.5k hp

[swift aspen]

Damn

[sharp glade]

I cant show the image though as the mods dont allow it

even though its officially released content

[swift aspen]

I’ll look around thank you!

[sharp glade]

There is also an endgame picture of a sceptre they showed that gave 197 spirit

[swift aspen]

Wut

[snow sierra]

140 spirit are something like 4 skellys more thats not bad

[sharp glade]

100 base and 97% increased mod

[sharp glade]

she had about 19 total in the video.... do the math....

[unreal girder]

Yes

We dont know if ballista support will exist right

[swift aspen]

If you have multiple skills in the ancestral warrior totem does it run them in sequence? I’m assuming you can’t recast totem, have to wait for it to respawn after 8s (but could socket it for reduced duration)

[leaden temple]

Is there a way to combine the monk's dark path (acolyte of chayula) with warrior dual wielding?

Is that possible to do?

[sharp glade]

what?

warrior and monk are different classes

[livid hamlet]

dual wielding isn't from warrior tho, it's a keystone

[sharp glade]

also only maces and quarterstaves will be usable as weapons

[livid hamlet]

if you're talking about the giant's blood

[compact atlas]

How many points do we get on the passive tree?

[silent prawn]

122

[compact atlas]

That's a lot

[silent prawn]

same number as PoE1

[leaden temple]

I'm trying to understand the possibilities and limitations.

They say you can combine stuff from different classes.

So what can you combine exactly?

[silent prawn]

+/- 1

[silent prawn]

class only sets your ascendancy and passive tree starting point.
everything else like skills or passives on the tree can be used by any class

[livid hamlet]

They mean that you are not locked to any class out side of ascendancy and starting position

[sharp glade]

d4 refugee 😔

[livid hamlet]

all classes share the same pool of skill ( outside of ascendancy ones ) , items to use, passive tree

[silent prawn]

So if you want to wield DW 2 handed weapons you just have to get there on the tree

[snow sierra]

I think thats wrong subject

It was said that witch and sorc have a diffrent starting passive tree for example

like the "starting" secment gets swapped for a diffrent one

[livid hamlet]

Yeah that's true, i also just noticed that and was like Ehhh ?
But this is a tiny thing

that would just make it harder to understand for the guy

[snow sierra]

Well but they said it makes them able to put very powerfull notes at the start, so it may not be totaly ignorable. But ill get what you are trying to say dont overwelm^^

[livid hamlet]

God i want to play so much shit

[unreal girder]

Do we know anything about that ancestral minion thing?

[silent prawn]

not a lot, only that it exists

[livid hamlet]

Like even the sorcerer with the storm looks juicy as hell

[snow sierra]

since temporal rift from chronomancer is in poe1 too, dos it revieve minions when you press the button ?

[silent prawn]

minions are their own entity.
So it should not.

[swift aspen]

Anyone have a video of blazing lance? Is it a fully ranged projectile attack or a melee attack that then creates projectiles on hit?

Attack speed is crazy slow so I’m curious how exactly it functions

Plus it has two radii listed

[silent prawn]

spear skills are not in EA launch.
so it is hard to say how it looks like

possible you throw the spear impact is one radius and explosion is secondary

[swift aspen]

Yeah that’s my thought

[shrewd linden]

Would this also affect loss of life in demon form?

[pastel forge]

I believe demon form is exactly why eternal youth was gutted

[snow sierra]

yes

[pastel forge]

Demon form drains 10% HP max with the following node, and recharge is 12.5% without investment

Would have been too easy

[agile meteor]

So infernal build Infernalist: Dog -> Altered Flesh -> HP to Spirit -> HP to ES. Demon form not worth it ?

[snow sierra]

for what ?

[pastel forge]

You need to build health regen for demon form

And it's for casters

[silent prawn]

demon form seems to be counter effective for minions so it will mainly be for spellcasting.

[snow sierra]

yes atleast for now

Maybe changed

[unreal girder]

Do we know if skills that consume armour break do so before or after doing dmg?

[agile meteor]

Blood witch will be tanky build right ?

[snow sierra]

Most likely

[silent prawn]

compared to Infernalist yes

[unreal girder]

It has progenesis so ye

[agile meteor]

What is progenesis?

Sorry for questions i am not pro player

[sharp glade]

and leech, which is uncapped in poe 2 and probably gonna be OP

[snow sierra]

the 25% hp thingy taken as dot

its extremly strong in poe1

[sharp glade]

its the most expensive flask in poe 1

for a reason

[snow sierra]

i guess would be it will lose abit of its power in poe2 but still be super good

[sharp glade]

idk they uncapped leech

[snow sierra]

because to me it seems the way we take dmg and can avoid dmg will be a bit diffrent in poe2

[unreal girder]

Well, we'll see how much leech resist mobs have

[sharp glade]

i cant see how a character can ever die to anything thats not a oneshot with uncapped leech

and progenesis helps with that

[eternal pilot]

Are there even unique flasks in poe 2? Especially none mana/life ones?

I really doubt progenisis will even exist

[silent prawn]

unknown

[sharp glade]

it does on bloodmage ascendancy

[eternal pilot]

Oh its an ascendancy?

[silent prawn]

only everything other than life/mana is a charm

[eternal pilot]

Yeah exactly

[tidal copper]

How are people feeling about pathfinder?

[silent prawn]

same old, somewhat

[tidal copper]

Bleed flask sounds odd we don't have many bleed spells on poe1

[compact atlas]

Do passive points reserved for 2nd weapon set count separately from the points reserved for the 1st weapon set?

[silent prawn]

spells can bleed in PoE2 as far as i heard

[silent prawn]

yes seperate.

[snow sierra]

its seems strage, you can support spells with bleed for sure, but the bloodmage note suggest that only phys spells are somewhat effektive unless you take the note, its confusing

[tidal copper]

Oh no I'm heading into trash build again

[pastel forge]

I think it means that without the node, only physical dmg contributes to how strong the bleed is

So the node gives you some phy dmg + allow your ele dmg to scale bleeds

[tidal copper]

If ele can scale phys dots they will have to cut the damage to account for it

Will see how the balance is but it already sounds like a hurdle

[swift aspen]

What is electrocution? Build-up for shock?

Never mind it says electrocution leads to electrocuted… 🤔

Da hell is that

[pastel forge]

Only 1 skill known so far that can electrocute or w/e it's called

Bow skill

[swift aspen]

Electrocuting arrow yeah

[alpine vigil]

lightning "freeze"

there's unique gloves that give electrocute buildup on all lightning damage

[snow sierra]

I cant wait to see all the creazy builds in the next days, i wonder if there will be gamebreaking stuff that needs to be patched, hope so^^

[ancient geyser]

buff bloodmage

[sharp glade]

nah

bloodmage gonna be super facetanky

[ancient geyser]

i cant get over gorespike nerf

[sharp glade]

just use a skill that hits fast

take VP

and ur immortal

[snow sierra]

ye but am i the only one that has a hard time seeing why playing bloodmage with spells..other then the name ?

[sharp glade]

the leech node requires spells

10% leech is super high

[snow sierra]

true, but melee has a easyier time to get leech dosnt it ?

[sharp glade]

maybe

maybe not

we dont know tree nodes

nor items

[snow sierra]

like for me the leech note and the blood barbs not seems like a "fix" to play her as a caster. Assuming melee can play bleed easly and has access to leech. If not bloodmage could be rly bonkers

Or leech is just weak overall with leech resistence who knows^^

[sharp glade]

leech in general will be bonkers

[livid hamlet]

Still blood mage melee or with bows also sounds very viable

[sharp glade]

unless leech resistance is SUPER SUPER high

[livid hamlet]

Did they change it ?

[sharp glade]

remoevd the cap system

now its just your leech dmg over 1 second

no more 3 distinct caps

[livid hamlet]

That sounds insanely busted

i will be surprised if there won't be a catch

[sharp glade]

oh i guees you missed all the leech discussions in #2┃general

[livid hamlet]

yeah

[sharp glade]

and yeah everyone thinks the same

[snow sierra]

maybe the leech resistance is the catch

[sharp glade]

then leech will have to end up useless to be balanced

[livid hamlet]

I wonder if we will just hit for much much less

but even if we will be hitting for like 20k

that's still insane

[sharp glade]

yea

and its poe

[unreal girder]

Can someone tldr how armour break works? Is it like "until you get the enemy to 0 armour" or is it a set value, also how would negative armour break work, when does it stop

[sharp glade]

u know we are gonna hit for a lot soon enough

[pearl sluice]

yo been hearing about archmage being nerfed, does anyone know where people are seeing this?

[reef viper]

from what i heard from demonstrations, you basically just make build up of a status, once its full, enemy armour breaks, we dont know how much %, for awhile, we dont know the duration

after the duration ends, enemy gets armour back

[sharp glade]

also old instant Vaal Pact with uncapped leech. I remember the days before 3.0, when you went from 5%->100% hp every hit. I remember old vinktar and vaal pact

it was so cringe

[alpine vigil]

it shows a flat value under the boss health bar, unlike freeze buildup

[unreal girder]

I hated old vaal pact, meant the second I stopped attacking I lost all my sustain so often Id just facetank shit hoping I outsustain it cos it was more effective than moving

[glossy hearth]

was wondering about the wording of the dmg flame..

is it as extra? ir some conversion without saying it? or increased without saying it

[pearl sluice]

extra added as

[glossy hearth]

confirmed?

[pearl sluice]

that's how every extra added as is worded now

[bronze yarrow]

Does anyone else have the feeling that the Pathfinder ascendancy seems kinda weak compared to Ascendacies such as Stormweaver, titan, witch hunter etc.? (No crazy multiplier, double the amount of poisons only, as far as I know) I wanted to play pathfinder, cause I like poisons. Now I am really skeptical :/

[glossy hearth]

no its not.. just read the other ascendancy

[pearl sluice]

yes it is

[glossy hearth]

its explicitly says AS EXTRA in the other one

[pearl sluice]

true but i suspect they just missed a word lol

it's otherwise worded the same

[glossy hearth]

lol thats what im wondering about

[frigid hill]

PF gives recovery and double poisons, it's probably fine

[pearl sluice]

nothing else would makes sense

^
it just depends on how strong poison is really

[maiden karma]

Can someone smarter than me explain how this would work with reserved life?

[limber gate]

quick one - meta gems casting linked spells use mana? i would assume the answer is almost certainly yes, but i cant dig out any concrete info now that im wondering about it

[maiden karma]

They do in 1

[unreal girder]

they should yes but I dont think it's confirmed

[unreal girder]

technically you can play non poison PF and it's still gonna be pretty good.

high sustain, extra points, and mobility

[pastel forge]

so whats the alleged archmage nerf

[glossy hearth]

huh? archmage nerf? tell me more

[pastel forge]

asking cuz i dont know lul

[alpine vigil]

supposedly the values changed

don't know if cost or damage

[glossy hearth]

obviously... but where did u get that info from that its nerfed?

[pastel forge]

i rather they nerf dmg and not cost lmao

[alpine vigil]

yeah

[alpine vigil]

someone saying someone told them etc

[glossy hearth]

kk lol

[unreal girder]

it's not a nerf if the game isnt even out yet

:p

it's just tuning

[pearl sluice]

yeah true it does look very versatile, but i think 90% of people who pick it are going for poison

[unreal girder]

definitely, I'm just saying that if that doesnt pan out you can pivet and be fine

I'm actually really curious about bleeding concoction

[pearl sluice]

that's what i'm saying, read it in a youtube comment by jungroan and been trying to find out how archmage was nerfed cause i was planning on starting with it

[unreal girder]

I mean wasnt it technically nerfed by EB being removed?

[pearl sluice]

idk how eb and archmage interact? i don't think it works for archmage or?

[unreal girder]

why would it not?

it's extra mana

[maiden karma]

No

That version is outdated

[unreal girder]

well yes

[stable wyvern]

Until yesterday i didn't even know archmage exists, i was going to stack mana for MoM

[unreal girder]

since the new version is "it doesnt exist"

[maiden karma]

We don't know what EB will be

[unreal girder]

that's my point

[pastel forge]

i think the point was it was so broken they took it dowm

[maiden karma]

They said it literally breaks the game, and not in the balance way

[pastel forge]

f

[unreal girder]

yup

afaik discipline broke it

to an infinite loop

[maiden karma]

So anyway, just realised that infernalist can recoup from the inferno self damage

[pastel forge]

just get 10.1% hp regen, ez

[snow sierra]

Are we forced to take a acendency while progressing the story or could we hold off until we are high level/done with the story

[unreal girder]

you could hold as long as you want

[maiden karma]

You're not forced

[snow sierra]

good^^

[hoary bolt]

God im so excited to play flicker

[maiden karma]

Sucks that bloodmage got nothing till second point

[unreal girder]

really hoping ballista support makes it into the game 😦

[snow sierra]

ye i thought about just playing witch, and then later decide if i want bloodmage or infernalist for my minion build

[hoary bolt]

Anyone else here playing an elemental monk?

[snow sierra]

Or go chronomancer because time stop is cool xD

[vivid meadow]

Flicker 👀

[pearl sluice]

I'm stuck between that and mercenary and sorcerer

[vivid meadow]

I thought about flicker chonk

[hoary bolt]

im likely going invoker

[vivid meadow]

Or infernalist

[pearl sluice]

Have no idea which one to pick

[snow sierra]

everybody seems fixaded on archmage with eye of winter and flame wall^^

[pastel forge]

if the demon form weapon bug is fixed, i'll try demon mommy build

[snow sierra]

wont be

source Jonathan

[pastel forge]

f

back to bloodmage then

[hoary bolt]

do it

let Chayula take the wheel

[sterile latch]

it should be possible to play something like this with merc ? xD

[hoary bolt]

no

thats too many skills

[vivid meadow]

Dunno how to get power gen

[sterile latch]

12 but i can go to 9 if needed

[unreal girder]

I wish monk wasnt the complete opposite from merc nodes and ancestral bond, otherwise i'd play invoker ballistas

[hoary bolt]

i have a few different ways of sustaining power charges set up

[vivid meadow]

How?

[hoary bolt]

For one, a Cast on Shock setup to trigger Lightning Storm, and then using the Harmonic generator passive to give 20% chance to give a PC when shocking a chilled enemy

also just using siphoning strike with good shock supports and faster attacks

[sterile latch]

ah y the top part wasnt supposed to be here

[hoary bolt]

should be able to give a PC every other hit

building combo with siphoning strike is also excellent for utility, as you put on stuff like rage support on it

then put on combo finisher on flicker strike along with rageforged

ill have to test if mantra of destruction applies to the full flicker attack too, instead of just the first hit

if it applies to the full attack it will be giga broken

[stuck tusk]

We have very similar flicker setups lol

[hoary bolt]

hell yeah

[snow sierra]

Well atleast i dont have to worry about finding a good Minion build help soon since kay is back and her builds where allways very good and noob friendly

[stuck tusk]

I will say tho cast on shock looks like a bad idea

It can only get energy from 1 shock per skill cast

[hoary bolt]

that shouldnt be an issue

lightning storm lasts quite a while

also siphoning strike should build it well

[sterile latch]

how do you mass chill already ?

[hoary bolt]

you mean for harmonic generator?

[sterile latch]

y

[hoary bolt]

i am the blizzard

should sort that out instantly

[stuck tusk]

Im doing like the reverse of your setup. Just hard casting lightning storm then siphon strike for charges and combo

[hoary bolt]

i was thinking about manual storm honestly

[sterile latch]

i see

[hoary bolt]

but I also wanted to trigger eye of winter

for the synergy with the ground effects and also the debuff

[swift aspen]

what does Tier 13 (warrior) mean on this?

[hoary bolt]

tier is when you unlock the gem I believe

each uncut gem drops with a tier

[swift aspen]

aaaah

and can only warriors unlock this gem, then?

[silent prawn]

uncut Gem Tier lvl to unlock this skill from the warrior list

[hoary bolt]

no any class can

thats just the gem category for now

[swift aspen]

ah and i'm assuming that affects support gems

[hoary bolt]

you will be able to pick any gem of the right tier from any weapon/class category

[alpine vigil]

the only gems limited to classes are ascendancy specific stuff

[hoary bolt]

i also prob want to test weirder PC gen like power offering and profane ritual

[sterile latch]

cast on x power offering seems to be the best for bossing

[hoary bolt]

hopefully the oferings can survive

[stuck tusk]

Im assuming there will be plenty of other ways to get power charges that we havent seen yet

[hoary bolt]

because they are technically minions

[sterile latch]

yep true

[swift aspen]

the offerings are minions

so should benefit from passives

[stuck tusk]

Lightning storm siphoning just seems like the most consistent with no gear

[hoary bolt]

yeah agreed

also allows for combo finisher on flicker strike

which is big damage

[stuck tusk]

You didnt hear this from me

Charged staff > unleash

[hoary bolt]

i wish we knew the buff cap

it already lasts like almost a minute

[dusty bear]

are there more cold spells in EA than shown in poe2db?

[unreal girder]

maybe

we dont know

[hoary bolt]

as a baseline its 6 seconds per power charge consumed

[dusty bear]

thought they'd have shown the skill selection tab on some preview vid or somewhere

[hoary bolt]

and the shockwave is i think 73% attack damage, at least at the gem level I saw

[stuck tusk]

im probly just gonna slap more duration and perpetual charge on it

[hoary bolt]

yeah same

actually maybe perpetual on flicker

[dusty bear]

if you're doing combo on flicker then no

[hoary bolt]

will be used more often so gets better use

[dusty bear]

you'd still have to generate combo

[hoary bolt]

of course yes

but surely your combo doesnt take 54 seconds

[sterile latch]

I didnt bother with the merc tree before, but it's really well built for weapon swap. 20 spec points is rough though xd

[stuck tusk]

Yeah i wouldnt do both perpetual charge and combo finisher

[dusty bear]

sure but the number of hits it takes to generate combo and to generate power charges are probably roughly the same

[swift aspen]

ranger can shoot while moving...can it channel while moving?

[dusty bear]

everyone can shoot while moving afaik?

[hoary bolt]

thats not the point though, the point is how many skill rotations you can do int the charged staff buff time

which is an eternity as it currently stands

[stuck tusk]

I see a lot of people putting perpetual on flicker and im just like why are you 5 linking flicker…..

[dusty bear]

and i saw someone somewhere say you can channel while moving, but don't quote me on that

[hoary bolt]

i mean 1 less damage link is a fair point

[dusty bear]

BTW do we know if cold snap removes freeze before doing damage?

[hoary bolt]

actually yeah I get what youre sayin

[silent prawn]

every weapon can shoot while moving. channel will have to be tested

[dusty bear]

for the purposes of damage calculation vs frozen target

[unreal girder]

you can channel while moving, dont need to be ranger

[swift aspen]

oh nice

[unreal girder]

and yes anyone can attack while moving

[hoary bolt]

what supports do you have on flicker rn

i have combo finisher and rageforged as locks

[stuck tusk]

Its not just 1 less damage link, its 1 less link for a 35% chance, your not even guaranteed to keep the charges lol

[hoary bolt]

yeah I see it now, nevermind on that one

if I wasnt doing combo stuff it would make more sense

because 1/.65 = 1.53 activations per charge roll

but as it stands we would get back all power charges as we finish combo anyway

so no point in retaining charges

[stuck tusk]

I almost put hourglass on flicker at one point but i think lightning storm siphoning is going to generate so many charges so fast its not worth it

[vivid meadow]

Eternity? 👀

[hoary bolt]

54 seconds

with 7 effective charge use

[vivid meadow]

Makes me want to play invoker lol

[sterile latch]

does it solve accuracy or is it unrelated ?

[alpine vigil]

it does

[stuck tusk]

Yes

[sterile latch]

ok ty

[dusty bear]

where did you see this btw?

poe2db has no tooltip for charged staff

[hoary bolt]

the forbidden wiki that starts with an f

[dusty bear]

ah

[stuck tusk]

There a lot of shit floating around in places rn

[hoary bolt]

close combat should be good because we're always on top of target

[peak peak]

Hey, thinking of going elemental electric dmg, not sure if sorcerer or monk for that though. Thoughts?

[stuck tusk]

Either

[lofty grotto]

I realy want to go with poison build
But there's not much to work with. Assuming the Huntress and Shadow will also have poison skills.
Ranger has 2 spirit gems, 4 skill gems and poison concotion in pathfinder's tree

If only we could change Ascendency after picking one... GGG

[snow sierra]

I wonder if you can turn absolut insane mobs into specters if you have enough spirit

[livid hamlet]

i would go for sorcerer if you want to play spells

the storm and the arcane surge are great

[vivid meadow]

Chonk with lightning stuff

[livid hamlet]

for any kind of archmage shenanigans

alternatively you can go arcane surge and shaper of winter for more defensive setup

[hoary bolt]

every non boss mob can be used as a spectre, so yeah

[silent prawn]

I mean we have seen Messmer (eldenring) as Spectre.
so there will likely be more interesting ones

[snow sierra]

mhh questions is if there will be specters that cost like 500 spirit ^^

[eternal barn]

This will be my first time playing PoE, I will go in blind but I'm currently decision paralysed when it comes to picking a class (probably not the only one with that issue 😄 )
I'm thinking about Witchhunter or Infernalist, is there is anyway to tell which one would offer better experience to a first time mostly blind player?

[peak peak]

New to poe altogether so don’t know how much class selection makes a difference in a build

[livid hamlet]

In fact lots of things point to the fact that stormweaver archmage will be very very strong

[peak peak]

But yeah, seems the obvious choice

[livid hamlet]

class impacts your position on the tree, your ascendancy choices and some small items on the tree but don't worry about the last part

outside of the first two being different everything else is shared between all classes

[proper pagoda]

is shock calculated after hit damage? or does shock scale both hit and dot damage so it double dips?

[swift aspen]

when you put a spell in a meta gem, like cast on crit, if you put support gems in there do they affect the spell that is being cast?

[peak peak]

I see, so easier going int rather than starting at dex side with monk

[pure fox]

I'm seeing a lot of youtubers say chronomancer will be a meme, very week
Yall agree?

[peak peak]

Will probb play around with both. But start as ele sorc

[pure fox]

Wanted to go chrono or mercenary

[alpine vigil]

It doesn't have any damage in the ascendancy sadly, and defensively it's ok but nothing crazy either

[livid hamlet]

for elemental electric damage i would go sorcerer , with something called an archmage, it's a passive skill that makes it so your spells get additional Lightning damage based on your maximum mana, at the expense of high mana costs

You couple that with other items scaling of your mana regen and casat speed of max mana that you get from storm weaver and stack shaper of winter which allows you to chill with lightning damage and you have a well rounded caster setup that also has a nice defensive layer in the form of slowing everything around @peak peak

[pure fox]

So it's a support for boss fights?

[alpine vigil]

Not really no

[livid hamlet]

People might underestimate value of cooldown resets of chronomancer

[alpine vigil]

We haven't seen crazy gems with cd yeah, maybe there'll be some interesting stuff, I doubt hotg is good enough to warrant chronomancer

[peak peak]

That was pretty much my though exactly. Will explore around it, much appreciated mate

[pure fox]

I never played poe but in rpg and arpg games I like to do damage in area, like kill 20 minion , spam skills, who should I go for

[alpine vigil]

every build should eventually do that in endgame

[silent prawn]

any mage

[pure fox]

I'm really confused lmao don't know who to pick

[snow sierra]

I think even without the cd reset chronomancer has a VERY solid defensiv kit for any build

[livid hamlet]

Imagine you are a hero in a story, how do you kill monsters ? @pure fox

[silent prawn]

Infernalist for fire, Stormweaver for Cold/lightning

[alpine vigil]

compared to others it looks quite weak imo

[pure fox]

Definally swords ,or a ninja, but no classes like that for now

[snow sierra]

depends on how common one hits are

[alpine vigil]

recoup is super clunky, and 4 points just to get it to the time it was in poe1 is crazy

the rewind and time freeze are ok but that's it

[snow sierra]

if onehits is not the only way to die, chronomancer could work very well

[livid hamlet]

Would staffs work ? For ninjas ? Or maces instead of swords for now ?

[snow sierra]

20% slow is insanely good, assuming its action slow, and it seems to be that

[alpine vigil]

yeah that point is good

[pure fox]

You mean monk? That could work, how is it looking for bosses? Does he carry?

[vivid meadow]

Lightning Chonk

[dusty bear]

we don't know much about anything atm

you'd have to test it out

but it looks like a damage-heavy ascendancy

[alpine vigil]

presence is full screen right?

[dusty bear]

so as long as you can solve defenses it'll be fine

[livid hamlet]

All classes should be able to deal with endgame , but we don't know more right now.
Monk , especially the waterfall one does seem like it's quite strong for single target

[pure fox]

The avatar, or the other one?

[snow sierra]

at the moment ill plan with 20% slow, rewind and time stop, and then who knows, if i go cronomancer for my minion build, an yes presence is full screen

[livid hamlet]

The waterfall guy

[dusty bear]

invoker yeah

purple guy looks bad atm

[vivid meadow]

Invoker?

[livid hamlet]

If that's the name of the non Chayula monk ascendancy sure

[vivid meadow]

Yes

[livid hamlet]

Then yes

[icy mauve]

anyone got any really broken ideas for chronomancer cooldown abuse? 😄

[vivid meadow]

140% extra damage as Chaos damage though, no?

[pure fox]

Ok I might go for monk, when the game launches do we have like a practice arena to see all characters full leveled up?

[icy mauve]

otherwise I'm just going stormweaver

[livid hamlet]

hammer of the gods

[alpine vigil]

and depending on the exact numbers of the evasion=>PDR, also a defense heavy one

[icy mauve]

keep hearing hammer but isnt that some melee thing that will need str?

[livid hamlet]

i just assumed it makes evasion count as armor

[alpine vigil]

invoker looks pretty dumb, even with less crit chance overall

[dusty bear]

if you run around picking stuff up yeah

[livid hamlet]

you are not limited to spells as chrononcer

[swift aspen]

95 STR base to use hammer of the gods

[icy mauve]

true but I do like the zappy zappy lightning

[alpine vigil]

It's unclear because that would not work on dots but PDR does, maybe the equivalent of armor into PDR, but armor pdr depends on the hit

[dusty bear]

yeah that node could be very good but it could also be garbage, losing 40% of your evasion might be rough

[icy mauve]

well I'll try it out

[peak peak]

Hahaha for sure

[alpine vigil]

I've seen people speculate it could give the dodge chance in the character sheet as PDR

[livid hamlet]

i don't think we saw any super duper long cooldown skills

[pure fox]

Any good youtube videos about classes you guys recomend?

[icy mauve]

a lot of people will do it and theres no way Im making my own build in this game

[dusty bear]

do we know if cold snap considers the enemy frozen when doing damage? or does it remove freeze before damaging

[icy mauve]

meteor or something should be a thing tho right?

[alpine vigil]

It solves the main issue of evasion tho, you don't get one shot by large phys hits anymore, there's no way the node makes you weaker overall on a regular ES/EV build

[snow sierra]

your build is not limited to a class, like in diablo 4 so its kinda hard. And videos about classes dont make alot of sense because of that

[swift aspen]

are meta gems like cast on crit new to PoE2 or did they exist in PoE1? Anyone understand how they function? Like, can I put support gems in with fireball on cast on crit, and those support gems will affect the socketed skill?

[dusty bear]

armour is notoriously shit against large phys hits though

[dusty bear]

yes they will affect the socketed skill

[icy mauve]

the only thing about hammer is I love chain lightning style so I dunno

[alpine vigil]

It's not armour tho

it's PDR

[icy mauve]

prob chain + chronomancer arent super synergistic

[livid hamlet]

the support gems will affect the socketed skills. In PoE1 these skills existed in a different manner where you linked two skills together and one could trigger another. Here meta gems are global and function of energy that you gather from certain events ( like shocking , or dealing a crit ) and then trigger the socketed gems inside

[vivid meadow]

Archmage Stormweaver with frostbite support.. what damage skill though?

[dusty bear]

i'm just assuming eva pdr will have the same damage calc as armour since they have very similar values

you ain't wrong though, it could be different

[snow sierra]

dunno alot of chronomancer stuff seem to be whatever for me, you can put it on any build

[livid hamlet]

Don't focus on specific skills right now, we don't know how good they will be

overall direction of the build is much more important than whatever gem you will socket

[alpine vigil]

yeah could be, but if it's really bad, invoker goes from awesome to garbage

unless avatar is also broken

[dusty bear]

i wouldn't say garbage

[vivid meadow]

I am torn between Minion Infernalist, something something stormweaver or whatever chonk

[dusty bear]

it could have inquis level damage with avatar and le res ignore

yup it's dependent on avatar

[livid hamlet]

the energy node alone makes invoker cute as fuck , people are sleeping on that i think

[alpine vigil]

Yeah but crit is much harder to find in this game supposedly

[alpine vigil]

the trigger one?

Idk I feel like triggers are kind of a meme in this game, not enough supports to run many triggers

[snow sierra]

ye it was said that crit builds wont have "default" 100% crit to be considered crit builds

[alpine vigil]

One is probably great, I don't see how you can run a 6L spammable + 2x 6L triggers

• triggers are only spells so far, which is kind of anti synergistic with the rest of the invoker tree

[dusty bear]

my guess is most likely crit will still be cappable or close to if you're an actual crit-focused build but you won't get 50% crit chance by pressing two nodes on any build like in poe1

[livid hamlet]

I mean there will probably be lots of manageable supports, they wouldn't make you have to socket 45 different supports if it wasn't viable

[alpine vigil]

I'll 100% run 2 cos/coc as invoker, but not for damage, it's cool for support but I doubt it'll make the ascendancy by itself

[dusty bear]

i wanna do a freeze ignite build but i'm not sure which skill i would use to ignite

assuming EoW for freeze + crit weakness

[alpine vigil]

cast on freeze cold snap looks hilarious tho

[snow sierra]

It was said 100% crit might be possible but may not be the most effective way

[alpine vigil]

100% gonna run that during EA

[dusty bear]

do we know if cold snap damages as though enemy is frozen or removes freeze before damage?

[livid hamlet]

They showed us like what, 5 different bolts on witchhunter ? Unless that was total bait, i feel like it's manageble to use that much bolt skills, which would mean that maybe 3 triggers will also be viable

[dusty bear]

freeze ignite wouldn't work with it if cold snap removes freeze before damage

[alpine vigil]

no clue, I assume all the "consume X" hit before they consume otherwise the armour break consumers are bad

[heady palm]

Any idea what this means exactly?
The wording is a bit weird - I think if it was what I think it is, then it’d simply say “Your base block chance is 40%”

Also the underline on Shield - could this mean energy shield?

[dusty bear]

yeah i guess so

well, worst case i'll just try it, if it doesn't work i'd do comet instead

but comet seems so clunky with the +1s cast time

at least for mapping that's tragic

[snow sierra]

It means your base block is 40%

and not your shields base block

[alpine vigil]

To me it reads like it "sets" the shield's block chance to 40%, and ignores all the shield local modifiers

[vivid meadow]

If the game even has the speed of poe1

[livid hamlet]

it's the same wording as gladiator has right now right ?

[heady palm]

Yeah, it could do with a bit of reword - though the shield underline throws me off

[dusty bear]

Difference between this wording and yours is that yours implies you have 40% block chance while dual wielding too, or 2h

[snow sierra]

i would assume it dos not set 40% block but base 40% block so this base can be scaled

[silent prawn]

it is something you would hover over in game for clarification

[snow sierra]

so % on shields might work or something

[dusty bear]

nah it's what Igneous said for sure i think

[livid hamlet]

I think gladiator reads the same in PoE1 right now right ? And it says pretty much that your shield has 40% chance to block no matter the item value

[dusty bear]

you don't get the block from your shield, you get 40% no matter what your shield says

[heady palm]

“Your base block with shields is now 40%” would be much clearer imo - might be worth sending feedback to GGG imo

[dusty bear]

regardless, casting a skill for 1-1.5 sec for every pack seems tragic

[alpine vigil]

This would work with local modifiers

[heady palm]

Hmm

[silent prawn]

honestly it is very clear to me

[livid hamlet]

They said that PoE2 will be slower than 1

[livid hamlet]

Found the PoE1 veteran

[heady palm]

Maybe i’m just dumb rofl
Woke up recently

[alpine vigil]

Well we do have 0.7s base cast speed spells

[silent prawn]

lol not even close

[dusty bear]

yes but not 1.5 second cast time slow

[alpine vigil]

with stormweaver it'll 100% go down to 0.4s at least

[snow sierra]

Its just poe jargon you get used to, cause poe trys to state things super clearly so you know what they do without a doubt

[dusty bear]

if it's +1s on top of the tooltip cast time then comet is straight up 2 seconds

[snow sierra]

And dont leave interpretations open

[dusty bear]

while cold snap is 0.4 sec

[livid hamlet]

That's twice the cast time of fireball right now . It's not that much depending on cast speed available in the game

[dusty bear]

+1s to total cast time is not modified by cast speed

[livid hamlet]

• it's pretty clear they have some spells they prefer to use for special situations and some you want to usse casually

[alpine vigil]

cast speed is blergh on comet

[dusty bear]

you'd only lower the base cast time, then add 1s to that on top

[alpine vigil]

it only affects the base cd, doesn't account for +1s

[livid hamlet]

in that case use comet on chonkier rares or bosses and not on every single pack

that's exactly what they are aiming for with all the changes they made

[dusty bear]

freeze ignite support is only equipped on 1 skill

[livid hamlet]

with multiple interaction between skills and 9 6 links

[dusty bear]

if i'm gonna do that i'm better off weapon swapping

[swift aspen]

do the tier of skill gems correlate to the anticipated level at which they drop?

[alpine vigil]

Yes

[snow sierra]

Is Bonestorm a multihit skill that calculates crit per hit ?

[alpine vigil]

A tier 13 gem can only get unlocked by a level 13+ uncut gem

[livid hamlet]

In PoE1 crits were calculated per instance of the spell, not per hit

i'm not sure it was confirmed to be same or different here

[dusty bear]

it got changed now, it's per hit

[snow sierra]

Depends on the spell

[livid hamlet]

ok

[swift aspen]

would a 13+ uncut gem be something we see around mid-tier levels or very late in game?

[dusty bear]

projectile skills at least are per hit

[snow sierra]

Nice

[alpine vigil]

Is it, it sounded unclear during zizaran's interview

[livid hamlet]

That's pretty juicy for blood mage, makes sanguimancy much easier to trigger with multihit spells

[dusty bear]

to my understanding yeah

monster hits are calculated per cast (which is crazy, there's gonna be insane high rolling of damage taken)

while player hits are calculated per proj

crits i mean

[snow sierra]

Its per spell, source zizarens interview, they said rain of arrows for example is per hit, and they talked about if if it should be on cast for balance reasons

[alpine vigil]

Oh maybe the unclear part was on monsters yea

[dusty bear]

i think everything should just be per hit

smooths out RNG

[snow sierra]

And monster hits the default confic on creations is per cast, but it can be changed to per hit

[alpine vigil]

Yeah it flattens the damage distribution

[livid hamlet]

So have it on the comet that you use against stronger enemies and be strong enough to clear the packs without the need for it

[dusty bear]

yea

[alpine vigil]

Makes no sense to have crit snapshotting on a 50 hits skill

[livid hamlet]

it doubles your damage, you won't need it against trash mobs

[dusty bear]

i mean best case would be cold snap working as i hope it does and just putting it on cold snap

so i can have ignite prolif

[vivid meadow]

Dunno how to get 9 full skills used tbh...

[dusty bear]

do we know btw how easy it is to convert phys to cold?

like a full 100% conv

[alpine vigil]

you don't, you'll use buffs and stuff that won't have 5 supports

[alpine vigil]

seems super hard to get 100% conv

except already in gems obviously

[livid hamlet]

probably you will use like 5-6 skills

[dusty bear]

shiii

[pine compass]

they love those cold convert gloves might be there

[livid hamlet]

some for single target, some for clear, 1 mobility , and few for setup

[alpine vigil]

watch me use lightning rod for 1500% effectiveness per rod

[vivid meadow]

I know, but I might be using like 2-3 damage skills.. maybe a trigger skill and then 5-6 support thingies?👀

[livid hamlet]

i think it will be like that

[alpine vigil]

fuck 3+ buttons builds :^)

[livid hamlet]

it's not a game for you then if you have this mindset

they pretty clearly try to make it more engaging from gameplay perspective

[dusty bear]

this is 100% wrong lol

[livid hamlet]

i mean compared to poe1

[terse epoch]

Will monks have an unarmed punchy kicky build or are they limited to staff?

[dusty bear]

plenty of ways to play even 1 skill

[silent prawn]

can do a bow Monk if you wanted

[alpine vigil]

watch me

[dusty bear]

there are a few unarmed skills yeah

[snow sierra]

yes at its seems its a "bug" even in poe 1 atleast for monsters. Because when you create a spell for Monsters, the default is crit is calculated on cast. And if the spell has alot of projectiles you are supposed to add thats it gets calculated for projectiles. And on some spells its just forgotten in poe 1 and because of this how monster spells crit is inconsistent. And the destinction is needed for balance reasons.

[livid hamlet]

well yeah but how viable will they be ?

So far it looks like they lean heavily on skill combos and using multiple skills for different situations

[vivid meadow]

You could even think of it like warframe in a way.. using a skill to Prime the enemy for big oomphs

[livid hamlet]

i don't know enough about the in game mechanics to say for certain

[dusty bear]

they will be just fine

[livid hamlet]

but everything about the changes to the game they made screams to me that they want to do away with 1 button non interactive builds

and put more focus on actuall playing the PoE rather than PoB

[vivid meadow]

Even minion builds got more actives to use now

[snow sierra]

And we all know, we players will make 1 button builds work anyway to zoom zoom

[livid hamlet]

you have better mobility, dodges, active blocks, multiple skills that you can max link so you don't have to focus on one main skill

so for now with my approach i'm going of the direction that they highlighted

rather than whatever is possible in the EA

even if they make zoom zoom 1 skill builds possible

[alpine vigil]

I'll path to unwavering stance on a monk just so I don't have to press dodge

[livid hamlet]

it's possible they won't survive EA

[silent prawn]

Wrecker of days will find the one Button way ;D

[livid hamlet]

that's why they said they will support PoE 1 and PoE2 in parallel

[vivid meadow]

Resolute Technique go brrrrr

[terse epoch]

Nah I've been playing monk class fantasy in other games recently and gotten really into it, I was hoping I would be able to punch and kick my way through the campaign if it's an option

[livid hamlet]

so that people who enjoy the 1 button goes brrr can still play PoE1

and for others, well it's Path of Elden Ring for you

[vivid meadow]

Cyclone infernalist (more spirit) with funny loops

[alpine vigil]

I trust GGG with all my being but there's no way poe1 will stay relevant

I give it 2 leagues before they start rotating old leagues to "keep it alive"

[dusty bear]

i'm not sure what people who enjoy multi-button builds have against 1-2 button builds being viable kek

[silent prawn]

most Quarterstaff skills will also have the unarmed tag

[livid hamlet]

Oh Jousis will defo do a 0 button build that bricks the servers of whatever continent he is currently on

[dusty bear]

it feels like genuine hate

[vivid meadow]

Lel

[shrewd socket]

what does "high" mean?

[livid hamlet]

i have nothing agains them, i just warn people that in my opinion GGG seems to do away with these builds

[shrewd socket]

75%?

[livid hamlet]

based on the changes they made

[silent prawn]

65%+

[snow sierra]

its like darksouls players that dont play with magic and hate it. They feel like the accomplishment of playing melee is weakend by magic existing lol

[livid hamlet]

again it's nothing agains 1 button builds

i just warn people that they might be dissapointed hoping for 1 button builds

when the exact focus of the changes and trailers

[snow sierra]

ye and you could be right

but i doubt it

[livid hamlet]

was to showcase power of multiple skills interacting with each other

[zealous swift]

why tho?

[dusty bear]

even arpg's that started out with actual rotational or generator/spender gameplay ended up with 1-2 button builds in the end

[zealous swift]

it seems pretty much what ggg is focusing on

[dusty bear]

rotational gameplay just sucks in arpg

also, ggg's stance is neither of those

[zealous swift]

and some feedback from those who already played ea, spamming 1 button in the campain was kinda worse too

[dusty bear]

their stance is to have multiple situational skills

[snow sierra]

maybe the strongst builds will use a combinations, but ive seen enough stuff from poe2 to assume for a casual a 1 button build will be totaly viable

[dusty bear]

not to 123 123 your way through maps

[livid hamlet]

we know nothing about pinnacle bosses

they might be strong enough for mapping

[dusty bear]

ie. a skill for rares, a skill for clear, etc. and that's fine imo

[livid hamlet]

but endgame content can be too hard for them

[snow sierra]

i doubt the normal player will ever see pinnacle bosses

i never seen shaper while having insane hours in poe

I just died before getting there allways

[livid hamlet]

or the insides of this channel, lets not kid ourself, most people here are not talking about normal player perspective

Damn, an actually exemption to the rule 😄

[snow sierra]

well with poe2 alot of new players come here to seek for help

[livid hamlet]

Still that kinda proves my point, sure for mappings and more casual gameplay

1 button builds will probably be good enough

but they will fall behind in strength behind multiple buttons with specialized combo setups

the question is how much

they already had it in PoE1

[snow sierra]

maybe but your right to assume it from all we have seen

[livid hamlet]

where more active gameplay was rewarded with higher power

[dusty bear]

this is all just theories and fantasies atm

we'll see how it is once ea drops

[zealous swift]

i don't think there's a reason to argue about what's gonna work or not, because nobody really knows it. and as per usual somebody will come up with some insane combos that make different things work

[livid hamlet]

and in PoE2 they are not capped to 1 main skill

which will be huge

[left grail]

I personally somewhat doubt it won't be possible to 1-button clear if you really want to and have good enough gear, but on the flip side, I'm near certain using multiple skills will be required for optimal single target.

Which with worse gear translates to the inconvenience of using multiple skills likely being less than the inconvenience of spamming a low damage skills against a tough rare.
Similarly, "nuke" skills (i.e. hammer of the gods) may just be so powerfull when used that not using them off cooldown would just be foolish, causing them to be used even while mapping.

[zealous swift]

but it's clear that ggg wants you to use multiple active skills

be it situational or not

or combinations

and that's pretty much what they shown all the time

[dusty bear]

you can always solve everything with triggers though

[livid hamlet]

We don't know what will work or no

[dusty bear]

i'm personally going to do a 2 button build anyway

[livid hamlet]

is a very good summary of my point of view

[snow sierra]

ye we just try to make the best of the information we have atm, trying to predict whats works and whats not. But its a totaly valid point to not bet on one button builds to be good

[dusty bear]

we just don't really have any information right now

we literally just know ascendancies, support gems and some actives

[mystic delta]

Yeah info is limited 😄 but the hype is strong 😄

[livid hamlet]

my guess is that two buttons will be fine

but you wilt benefit from additional setup skills for bosses

like the whole sygil of power they showed

[dusty bear]

can't use sigil of power on infernalist sadge

but when i'm talking about multi button builds i'm not referring to buffs etc

i'm talking about actual rotational gameplay

[uncut bay]

is blood mage more of a spell damage class, so minions are just for support, not the main source of damage?

[dusty bear]

like frostbolt ice nova coldsnap

[left grail]

far shot +1 projectile tailwind deadeye with lightning arrow can clear with one button if every piece of gear you use is worth half a mirror I'd be willing to bet

[dusty bear]

more like worth 20 div KEKW

[snow sierra]

No

[dusty bear]

nope

[uncut bay]

okay so blood mage minions can be strong too

[snow sierra]

you can play bloodmage for sure with attacks, and with minions, if minions are good dunno we dont have informations here yet

[vivid meadow]

There is not really much info on how good minions will be

[uncut bay]

I see

[snow sierra]

but alone bloodmages "defenses" would make it somewhat decent with minions

[livid hamlet]

Minions bloodmage seems weird unless they can proc the sanguimancy

[uncut bay]

I see a youtube video claiming infernalist has much stronger minions

[livid hamlet]

i don't see much minion support in bloodmage

[vivid meadow]

That would be funny

[snow sierra]

and they maybe can, because there is a offical video out there where a minions spawns a orb

[snow sierra]

Infernalist if for sure the save bet for offensive support for minions

[uncut bay]

alright

[livid hamlet]

Infernalist and Gemling

seem like best bets for minion builds

[vivid meadow]

I dont like the way the minions get supported by infernalist

[snow sierra]

Gemling and Titan are on the edge and i wouldnt recommend them without testing

[silent prawn]

not much stronger, simply more

[bold raft]

People also say depending on how good the 50% small passive nodes buff is, titan could be good for minions as well

[vivid meadow]

Just pick extra spirit with hound I guess

[silent prawn]

more spirit for more Minions is bad?

[livid hamlet]

I'm going off some spitballing and PoE1 , but i think that the double usecase of supports will be very valuable for minions

[snow sierra]

this seems to be the idea

[left grail]

Titan is likely good/usable if you're trying to scale minion life specifically for i.e. instability, but yeah, agreed.

[vivid meadow]

I mean the flamethingy with fire damage and ignite magnitude

[uncut bay]

what are the main stormweaver spell combinations? like ice nova, frostbolt, coldsnap
what else?

[silent prawn]

Well thats for Fire builds anyway.
If you go minions you might not do that anyway

[livid hamlet]

If you want more active playstyle i could also see invoker with minions, depending on how good the defensive nodes are

[vivid meadow]

True

[livid hamlet]

More spirit and you can make shocking and chilling grounds

with some active cast skills

[vivid meadow]

Maybe hybrid build is viable?

[snow sierra]

atm my guess is that minions dont need offensive support from a acendency to be good, but that is only my read on the situation

[livid hamlet]

I think it will be , i feel like it's a safe bet that summoner will be rewarded for more active playstyle

[silent prawn]

GGG wanted to not pidgeonhole people that want minions with a "Necromancer" acendancy

[livid hamlet]

but as with everything we are yet to see

[shrewd socket]

can i support minions with this?

[silent prawn]

should be able to as you have active skills for minions

[snow sierra]

yes and because of that ill assume minions can be good with just a passive tree investment

[vivid meadow]

Popcorn raging spirits with cast on minion death

[silent prawn]

sounds good on paper... but also SRS are paper so not much energy from there

[livid hamlet]

Oh i saw it as well , we will see

i never really played raging spirits in PoE 1 tho

[bold raft]

I also have a feeling another reason why there's not a stat supporting full necro ascendancy is that they want the play style to be active spellcasting along with minions
Not just minions

[silent prawn]

Popcorn SRS is so much fun.

[livid hamlet]

i think they even outright stated that summoner will be a more active playstyle

then it was in PoE1

[bold raft]

Ye

[livid hamlet]

actually i really like invoker for summoner now

depending on how easy it would be to setup chilling and shocking ground

[snow sierra]

Maybe atm ill go chronomancer summoner if nothing changes 😛

[vivid meadow]

Well put some simple fire skill for more srs, maybe loopable with enough Hits

[silent prawn]

Active minion skills are the best point for more active playstyle

[silent prawn]

I will likely add Firewall for SRS and rest minions 😄

Love the Poison explosion

[dusty bear]

will unarmed skills count as one handed?

[livid hamlet]

[vivid meadow]

[vivid meadow]

Ohhhh

[dusty bear]

shi there's nothing about unarmed shown on passive tree atm

[silent prawn]

especially with firewall supporting Skeleton Snipers

may add Cast on ignite

[shrewd socket]

what about stuff that askes for "attacks"

minion do attack right?

[snow sierra]

Bonestorm, Boneoffering and temp chains aura with skelly army is my plan

[bold raft]

It won't count
Since the gem is on you
It will only check for your attacks

Oh wait I completely misread

[bold raft]

Yeah you can this support to minions

[shrewd socket]

you sure?

[swift aspen]

if you have two attack skills in a 'cast on' meta, do both get bonuses from any passive gems you affix?

like would 'added cold damage' affect both spells when they're triggered

[dusty bear]

wait there's passive block too right, not just active block?

you can still block like in poe1?

[snow sierra]

yes

[bold raft]

Ye

[warped jackal]

Anyone who is theorycrafting or knows someone with a chonk poison build? I want to try this out, seems promising

[dusty bear]

ok whew

[bold raft]

Mostly sure.
Since poe1 you could add similar supports to minions

[dusty bear]

one more question before i go, hexblast works with curse auras? do we know?

[dusty bear]

it should work just fine but nothing is 100% sure

[shrewd socket]

okay thanks

[snow sierra]

poe1 had other action speed slows that did stack with temp chains right ?

[vivid meadow]

Been scheming in my head too.

[warped jackal]

Yea poison + chaos with a crossbow for the leech

[vivid meadow]

I want to play melee

[snow sierra]

then do it ? patherfinder poisen melee go 😛

[vivid meadow]

Chonk melee

Poison chonk

[livid hamlet]

Chonk poison melee can work

[rigid shale]

does this include grenades?? since theyre on crossbows
trying to think about grenadier

[livid hamlet]

but clear can be mid

and chonk just sounds like a class below the average power

[vivid meadow]

Lightning Invoker seems more interesting

[livid hamlet]

easter eggs are nice but darkness sounds mid

and the rest is just ok

probably a very strong defensive ascendancy if you go for instant energy shield leech with easter eggs tho

[snow sierra]

Most ascendancys seems kinda strong defensive

[livid hamlet]

do we know if we will have some mana leech on spells ?

[vivid meadow]

There is some in the tree

[livid hamlet]

hmm in that case archmage CI chonk can actually be pretty good

[proven quest]

Especially with mana leech also recovers es, then the blue pickup instant leeches mana and es

[vivid meadow]

[livid hamlet]

instant mana and energy shield leech

hell you can even go MOM since it the reduced mana regen doesn't matter

[zealous swift]

grenades are also attacks so will be affect by attack speed and other attack mods

[livid hamlet]

cause you leech it all instantly

[zealous swift]

and i guess also by things that say "with crossbows"

[proven quest]

Yup, only problem is spell damage won’t leech mana

[vivid meadow]

That was my thought tbh

[livid hamlet]

do you know that for sure ?

Kitty just said there's some spell mana leech on the tree

[ancient geyser]

it's confirmed by jonathan only attacks will be able to leech mana

[proven quest]

Ziz interview with Jonathan, he specifically said they don’t want spells to leech mana

[ancient geyser]

no skill tree nodes, no uniques

[vivid meadow]

The 14% on tree is attack mana leech

I was dum

Sowwy

[ancient geyser]

meow

[livid hamlet]

yeah that makes sense

[vivid meadow]

[livid hamlet]

i assumed that would be the case

since they've done away with spell mana leech

years ago in PoE1

[outer marlin]

Could you just do a cyclone for mana leach 😂

[ancient geyser]

spell mana leech with MoM archmage chayula would be stupid

[vivid meadow]

Yeah...

[snow sierra]

We didnt see a life leech note on attack on the tree atm right ?

[ancient geyser]

there are multiple ones

[swift aspen]

what determines this capacity? can you socket STR/DEX/INT beyond these but incur a cost? how does this function?

[alpine vigil]

Your attributes

[swift aspen]

so if you're full STR, expect to not be able to use many DEX/INT supports?

[alpine vigil]

Yes

[swift aspen]

aight

[proven quest]

Wait, there’s actual mana leech on the tree somewhere?

[livid hamlet]

wait how does this work with Gemlings

[alpine vigil]

Each support seems to be +5 total requirements on the attribute related to the color of the gem

[outer marlin]

Cyclone cast while channeling and cast on shock?

[livid hamlet]

Will he just ignore that ? or will all of that come of your highest attribute

because if you are still gated by this

[silent prawn]

can build full dex and still use str and int gems

[livid hamlet]

then it's mid ascendancy point

[livid hamlet]

yeah but there's a limit for supports still right ?

[snow sierra]

no

[livid hamlet]

in which case you are just half boned

[snow sierra]

support gems are gems too

[alpine vigil]

I think the capacity thing is just informational, I doubt it's a hard limit

So taking the gemling node will probably adjust it

[livid hamlet]

i know that you can socket support gems without caring about THEIR requireements

[vivid meadow]

I thought invoker with something like tempest flurry, siphoning strike, charged staff, Bell and HoT

[livid hamlet]

i wonder how this node impacts the apparent global limit of attribute support gems

[alpine vigil]

The way I understood it is you have your supportless requirements, then every support adds +5 to the appropriate attribute

Not to the active gem it's linked to but overall rather

[snow sierra]

hä ? you dont transform the gem to str if you use str to meet the req its still a dex gem

so it counts in the dex cap

[livid hamlet]

i guess i don't fully understand the global get cap

[olive tide]

am i tripping or wasnt there a Basic Attack ability on poe2db at some point?

[alpine vigil]

it depends on the weapon

[livid hamlet]

are you limited in the amount of supports of each color that you can use based on your attribute ?

[snow sierra]

i think global cap isnt fully explained as it stands right now

atleast i didnt see a full explaination

[vivid meadow]

Yes

I think they mentioned it in the big livestream

[livid hamlet]

because if your attribute impacts the amount of specific color supports that you can use and it's not adjusted via gemling legionare node

then the node is garbage

cause even if i can use my str for intelligence supports

i won't be able to use them

because i don't have capacity to even socket thhem in

[proven quest]

At one point they said there’s a basic attack that you can also link, won’t cost mana. Idk if that’s changed though

[snow sierra]

i think the gemling legionär stuff is for solving the higher stacking attribut requieremts, if i rember right there was something with a multiplyer for every support gem

[alpine vigil]

that's for cost/reservation isn't it

the only attribute related stuff I see on supports is +5

[shrewd socket]

do we know what primed is?

[snow sierra]

dont rember the context sorry, only that they spoke about stacking attribut cost

[fading ether]

Pathfinder seems really op, u can have a free mageblood with the enduring flasks class skill.

[alpine vigil]

When you reach 60% or 40% (forgot which) of stun threshold

[snow sierra]

for gems

[alpine vigil]

depends on the rarity actually

[thick thunder]

so are ascendancy skills free six links?

[alpine vigil]

I think so assuming you are high level enough

[snow sierra]

i thought you must use a resource to make them 6 link ?

[olive tide]

have they said what lvl we'll be getting the tiers of uncut gems? i'd assume a tier 9 gem is like lvl 40 or so

[alpine vigil]

normal gems yes, not ascendancies

[snow sierra]

cool

[thick thunder]

how would you use a currency item on something that isnt a gem

[terse pendant]

I'm currently planning to do a Gemling minion build. However, I'm kind of wondering if a Warbringer minion build might also work, using war cries to buff minions along with the exploding corpses to help with clears. What do you guys think?

[snow sierra]

i just assumed you spend it on the "slot" in the skillwindow somehow

[thick thunder]

thats fair i actually hadnt thought of that

[proven quest]

I’m guessing you’ll just use it on the skill gem, and it’ll add a support slot

[livid hamlet]

I saw somewhere that ascendancy gems will get links based on levels

[alpine vigil]

Probably can infer a rough estimation from the lv requirements on poe2db but that's it

[snow sierra]

its a kinda save bet to assume chronomancer slow will stack with temp chains right ?

[ancient geyser]

correct

[snow sierra]

And ill assume like in poe 1 the starting weapon is whatever, if i want the spirit starting weapon for my chronomancer ill just make a witch and throw it in the chest

did they say how they handle the skill gem access ?

[bold raft]

They get sockets as you level

They will become 6 links at level 80 or something if I'm not wrong

[thick thunder]

ty

[sour basin]

this is from ascendancy would this be for actual passive tree or the small ones in ascendancy?

[snow sierra]

its assumed passive tree

[bold raft]

Yeah it's assumed passive tree
Because ascendancy would be laughably garbage

[sour basin]

is this really worth 4 points though?

[silent prawn]

depends on the build

[sour basin]

the 20 slots is nice but would prefer something else lol

[livid hamlet]

20 slots might be quite nice QoL

[silent prawn]

you will likely have about 40 small passives, meaning 20 extra points

[livid hamlet]

remember you don't get 6 portals now

[snow sierra]

kinda curious if tabula exist and how it will look in poe2 ^^

[livid hamlet]

i think i saw somewhere a screen of a 6 socket tabula

[olive tide]

my worry is that the 20 slots will be a collapsable ui and ill close it one time then forget it exists for a week

[livid hamlet]

Sounds like skill issue

[olive tide]

100%

[silent prawn]

would be weird as the whole point was 6 link. which is now not neccesary. maybe it gives rune slots

so full adjustable bodyarmor

[modern tangle]

You will forget your greatest treasure in there and think you lost it.

[sour basin]

im assuming 2+3 could proc together?

[fading ether]

is poison an alinment?

[modern tangle]

it would make sense

[modern tangle]

it's an ailment. Not an elemental ailment though, that is sometimes important.

[fading ether]

ok

[broken tartan]

mana leech source for full elemental build? any ideas?

[thick thunder]

for spells? none