2┃build-planning

[frail jay]

yeah the shock gem might be outdated

that's true

[unreal girder]

There was a unique staff with 100% inc chance to ignite

[frail jay]

that's not flat

[unreal girder]

Oh you mean just "+25% chancd to ignite"

[native widget]

Anyone know if there are innate cds on trigger skills?

[unreal girder]

Yeah prolly not otherwise whats the point of the rework

[frail jay]

no the cd is how fast you can build energy

[native widget]

So lets say if I cast 7 copies of comet from EI, and they all freezes on hit

[static plinth]

Meta skills have a cd on them im pretty sure

[native widget]

My CoF would cast 7times

[frail jay]

triggered skills can't generate energy according to viper

EI skills are triggered

[native widget]

WAT💀💀

😭😭😭

[ashen timber]

do we know if meta triggers use mana

[frail jay]

yes they do

Also I think 5 comets is the most you get from EI

[static plinth]

Cast while channeling has a 1 second cooldown for instance

[native widget]

You can get more if its max level EI

[frail jay]

that's to activate and disable the reservation

[native widget]

Level 20 EI is 10energy cost per 0.15 sec cast time

[static plinth]

Ah that makes sense

[frail jay]

oh true

[static plinth]

Might still be an internal cd like 1

[frail jay]

if there's an ICD it's gonna be like 0.15 or 0.25 or something

[native widget]

It can cast 7 and a half time

[frail jay]

Most of the time you aren't going to be able to hit the ICD, maybe with like CoC and CoMD you could

[native widget]

Can you link me to this

[frail jay]

it also might just queue up multiple casts if you do hit some sort of ICD

it's in the discord just search messages from viperesque

[maiden karma]

Why is PF double poison node locked behind a 30 spirit reserve node

[frail jay]

?

[maiden karma]

Poison prolif node is identical to herald of agony

[unreal girder]

Yeah thats honestly baffling

[frail jay]

could just be a tax on the doubling node

that it's weaker

like the rucksack node

[native widget]

Damn, half of my build just got wreck from that single line

😭

[thorny path]

free 30 spirit + skill slot

ez pz

[frail jay]

triggered skill generating energy would be super OP

[unreal girder]

But it already has a downside so does it need ut

[maiden karma]

Actually no, agony also hinders with the poison spread

[spring jackal]

Hulking form (50% increased effect of small nodes) VS (15% more life) and (20% chance of aftershock) for a slam stun build?

[frail jay]

hulking form >>>>>> anything

[thorny path]

Won't know until we see the whole tree

[frail jay]

it's busted

[sterile latch]

I mean, it was kinda obvious lol

[native widget]

Is it confirmed that it applies to the passive tree?

[spring jackal]

IK just speculations.

[native widget]

Ig...

[frail jay]

???

[sterile latch]

you'd have self fulfilling invocations

[native widget]

Instead of just small ascendency nodes

[spring jackal]

If only ascendacy tree it would be completely useless and never ever used by anyone in any situation

Unless small ascendancy nodes are very op

[native widget]

So is 19 backpack space...

🤣

[frail jay]

the backpack space does nothing because the node after it is insane

[spring jackal]

Yup lol

[native widget]

Whats after it again?

[spring jackal]

The small nodes

[sterile latch]

Ok I'm giga fed up reading about Archmage and ailments for a week: I want to play Chayula now ! Can I scale the +x extra chaos damage right ? Chaos dot dont benefit from it, there's (close to) no chaos atk, it doesnt scale ailment.... 😢

[native widget]

Ohhh

Now it starts to make sense

[unreal girder]

Someone tell me if I can make armour piercing bolts chain or fork

😦

[static plinth]

Might of The Meek was decent as a jewel

Now its tree-wide

[sterile latch]

@frail jay halp plz sir, you seem knowledgable xD

[native widget]

Hold on, Titan minionmancer?

[frail jay]

I mean you can yes?

[static plinth]

Nothing says they wouldnt?

[frail jay]

Things only can't chain/fork if they have 100% pierce

[sterile latch]

y but if it's not good for chaos caster nor "chaos" melee, nor elemental caster... i just go invoker ? 😦

maybe phys actually idk

[hoary plover]

im sure its been discussed many times but how does additional proj work with the shotgun type skills? does it go from 10 bolts to 11 or shoot a second burst of 10?

[static plinth]

Warbringer feels like it might be better

[static plinth]

10 to 11

[hoary plover]

gross, ok

so no deadeye for shotguns

[static plinth]

You would need Split Fork or Repeat to double them like that

[frail jay]

???

what does that have to do with armor piercing bolts

[sterile latch]

different topic i think :d

[frail jay]

Also Chonk is like a physical attacker basically

just pick whatever physical attack skills look good to you

[sterile latch]

yeah that wasnt me :d

[frail jay]

Oh lol yeah I see

[long trail]

anyone have info on the buff gem called sacrafice

[thick thunder]

is that the one that treats your minions as corpes?

[long trail]

apperently, I cant find any info on it, just heard jungroan mention it, sounds kinda sick with

[thick thunder]

then you know as much about is as i do lol

[livid breach]

Is presence the new nearby?

[thorny crater]

it is

[thick thunder]

yeah

[gusty bone]

Is there no Desecrate in poe2?

[thick thunder]

i dont think we know the radius

[thorny path]

No desecrate skill, no creating corpses on demand

[gusty bone]

When summons die, do they leave corpse?

[thorny path]

no

[gusty bone]

Damn

[exotic forum]

yet it seems to be consistent at roughly the full screen

[warped jackal]

Anyone thought of doing monk > chaluya with focus on chaos and poison damage?

[round mica]

What weapon?

[lofty grotto]

forking means multishot in spread pattern yes?

[frail jay]

seems like poison chonk would work fine

forking means 1 projectile hits an enemy and 2 copies of that projectile shoot out of their back in a V shape

[warped jackal]

Either the quarterstaff or staff

[frail jay]

Should also be viable with bow/crossbow/mace

idk about staff I think staff is a caster wep

[vapid shadow]

i wanna be ice sorceress hopefully it goes well with lightning

[night trench]

any resource that has a list of the skills but shows the effects of quality -gemling main

[midnight bolt]

no leaks 💀

[pallid wagon]

I'm planning an ice amazon with Deadeye asc + Ice Spear

[timber mural]

Do we have any of the small nodes released for chonk yet? or is it only the notables on the ascendancy?

[amber latch]

When you go into the demon form as witch do all your minions despawn then or what's the negative side effect. Cause I Heard now many times that's is not good .

[pallid wagon]

there is a very rough passive tree somewhere, it was built based on youtube videos, so it's like 20% complete..

[frail jay]

Ice spear isn't in EA

[timber mural]

not talking about the passive tree. just the ascendancy nodes that are small

I would love to see something like "you can reserve darkness" lol

[alpine fulcrum]

spear skills wont be there till huntress gets added

[frail jay]

small nodes are just tiny stats like +10% chaos damage or something

[pallid wagon]

😥 well

[frail jay]

darkness is big garbo

[alpine fulcrum]

this would be too busted, you get up to 600 darkness

[pallid wagon]

what are the EA weapons? Mace, Bow, Crossbow?

[timber mural]

Yeah the only thing is given what we know right now, darkness is over all just a downside

[frail jay]

Mace, Bow, Crossbow, Staff, Wand, Quarterstaff

[timber mural]

Like, if that's the case, why is it even there.. that's the trouble with it

[alpine fulcrum]

also quarterstaff, and for spell focuses staff and scepter

[frail jay]

And sceptre/shield which aren't really weapons but yeah

sceptre can be used mainhand or offhand but no dual wield

[unreal girder]

Do we know if High Velocity rounds consumes armour break before or after doing dmg?

[pallid wagon]

I though we would get at least more than 1 melee weapon for EA

[unreal girder]

We have 2

[frail jay]

There's 2

[alpine fulcrum]

quarterstaff, also ea will have other melees just not on launch

[pallid wagon]

oh and Staff too, right

[unreal girder]

Huntress and druid are also coming soon and both are melee ish

[native widget]

Wait so how do you even get in beta test

😭

[pallid wagon]

you need an Early Access key

[native widget]

And?

Thats it?

[pallid wagon]

I think so? at download it ask for the key I guess and you give it, and after download you can play (after 6 hours of queue 😄 )

[native widget]

😭😭😭

No one told me this fuck

[pallid wagon]

you didn't miss anything yet i guess, early access release is on friday

[native widget]

I missed time that I can experiment build

[frail jay]

???

Are you talking about the CBT?

That's a small group of testers under NDA

[native widget]

Ye?

Ah.

Shit still getting leaked anyways 🤣

[frail jay]

I assume a lot will get datamined tomorrow

seeing the passive tree will be nice

really helps get an idea of what you can look for when playing archetypes that aren't necessarily in that area of the tree like minion gemling/warbringer

[restive harness]

In the preload, there are only models and images, but no data that can be datamined. We won’t know anything useful until the patching server goes up a couple hours before the launch.

[midnight bolt]

if there is nothing to datamine why johnatan said they are hesitant to do preload on pc in the first place?

[native widget]

😔

[frail jay]

Well then we'll see it friday

[midnight bolt]

he literally said that they are worried abt datamining in latest inteview

[silent prawn]

why would there be nothing to datamine?

[midnight bolt]

idk the dude above said that

🤷‍♀️

[frail jay]

I mean isn't that the poedb guy?

[restive harness]

In PoE1, they leave no preloaded data files. They know how to delete these files very well.

[rancid olive]

I am new to PoE. How Does this work? If I am spamming Fireball will it do 5% Cold damage and apply chill/freeze if I have this passive? Or does it only add to things that already do Cold damage?

[ancient geyser]

because there is nothing to datamine ATM, but there will be later on, he pretty much explained it "We won’t know anything useful until the patching server goes up a couple hours before the launch."

chuanhsing is the poedb person indeed

so they'd know better than most people about datamining

[midnight bolt]

i feel like we've watched different interviews 😅

[ancient geyser]

https://tenor.com/view/hehehe-gif-3186320581080702344

[frail jay]

It will add 5% base damage as cold. So if fireball does 100 damage and you have 200% increased fire damage and 100% more fire damage and 0% increased/more cold you will deal 600 fire damage and 5 cold damage

literally the dataminer in chief right there

they know what's up

[blissful abyss]

Can a triggered eye of winter cast multiple eyes with multiple projectiles support?

[frail jay]

I think multiproj on EoW just adds more projectiles that it shoots out

[native widget]

is this on the skill tree?

[frail jay]

from the EoW

But not more EoWs

[blissful abyss]

kk tyvm mate

I'm wondering what to support EoW with as a monk using it to chill/shock enemies (being fired from shocked ground)

[frail jay]

idk probably like unleash, something that makes it apply shock/chill better, and just more damage will make it apply better

[maiden karma]

Warbringer minion popper?

[rancid olive]

yea its early out of the Monk starting spot

[frail jay]

I don't think the warbringer node is a skill

it might be though I guess

Would be pretty sick if it was

[long trail]

Only undead? Rip specter minion life cheese

[frail jay]

Who says you can't spectre an undead, or that spectres aren't undead

[maiden karma]

Pretty sure spectres are reviving too

[dusty bear]

any info whether "less damage from hits" actually reduces ignite damage now? My guess is yes?

[frail jay]

yeah

[maiden karma]

It does, but the ignite effects makes up for it

[dusty bear]

and makes it harder to actually ignite yeah?

[long trail]

But not undead is my guess, undead is probably a tag for skeletons

[frail jay]

what if you spectre a skeleton

[long trail]

Just my assumption

[long trail]

That’d probably work, but idk if it’d be better

[maiden karma]

Ignite effect is both chance and magnitude

[long trail]

I’m more sad you can’t find the monster with the highest hp in the game and use that lol

[dusty bear]

yooo are there pics of gems with quality now?

[frail jay]

I don't think it's chance

[dusty bear]

huh are you sure? that's huge then

[long trail]

Hopefully it’s coincidentally also undead xD

[frail jay]

Searing Touch has Chance and Effect as separate mods

[ripe folio]

Do we know how shock/chill chance and magnitude works? Cant find any info

[maiden karma]

Maybe I mixed them up

Is magnitude both together then?

[frail jay]

Anyone starting as Bleed Flameblast?

Who knows how magnitude works tbh I've read so much different stuff

[dusty bear]

there are multiple ignite chance smalls on the tree

i thought ignite effect was just scaling the final damage, like multi

[maiden karma]

Yes

Effect is damage

Magnitude is chance and damage combined

[dusty bear]

I see

[maiden karma]

So searing flame makes the ignite stronger but reduces the chance to ignite

[dusty bear]

seems like it yeah

but considering i'm a wholeass ignite build i should have plenty of chance on the tree to make up for it

[long trail]

Maybe anything you use as a minion is undead? That word isn’t anywhere in the skeleton skull descriptions

[frail jay]

No, magnitude doesn't affect chance, chance and magnitude are separate on infernalist

[maiden karma]

Undead isn't capitalised, meaning it isn't a tag

[frail jay]

This is also false, searing flame gives 100% increased ignite chance and 100% increased effect

[maiden karma]

[pallid wagon]

since there are not that many melee abilities, is it worth plan for a mace dual wield build? or it would be just inferior to 2h mace or 1h+shield

[maiden karma]

Fuck ailments

[long trail]

Yeah it’s a monster type

[frail jay]

TBH I don't know what the difference between magnitude and effect are, I remember reading at some point that magnitude was a system where you built it up with hits that didnt ignite to boost the actually igniting hits but I don't know if that's even true at this point.

Maybe magnitude is just the base?

[maiden karma]

All spectres are undead then cause they're ghosts of the mobs you use the skill on

[frail jay]

that would make sense, the magnitude is like the base % of the enemy HP

like 100% magnitude = 100% ailment threshold

and effect just scales the magnitude

[blissful abyss]

what does Ancestrally Boosted mean on fist of war?

[long trail]

This might also be what it means, it’s just really weird this skill uses that work and no supports or minion skills do lol

[frail jay]

20% more damage and AOE

[maiden karma]

So if bleed doesn't use the threshold system then why does it have magnitude in this node

[frail jay]

bleed doesn't use threshold to determine chance but the damage can still use threshold for damage calculation

[ancient geyser]

this is kinda bad no?

[frail jay]

yes it's kinda bad

[maiden karma]

Then that means spells can't actually cause the bleed?

[frail jay]

why not?

[maiden karma]

Spells can't bleed in 1

[frail jay]

they can in 2

[maiden karma]

And there's no indication that it changed

[frail jay]

the bleed support doesn't say attacks only

[maiden karma]

[ancient geyser]

you just need a phys dmg spell to bleed + the support gem

or blood mage + bleed support gem

[midnight bolt]

i dont think you need bleed support

just take the node

[ancient geyser]

pretty sure you do unless the skill explicitly states it builds bleed no?

[frail jay]

you need to get bleed chance somehow

[ancient geyser]

you're just contributing to magnitude with elemental dmg

aka making the bleed bigger

they probably already thought of adding the whole hemomancy things from poe1

[hoary plover]

someone sell me on witchhunter concentration branch. the cooldown reduction is probably okay "damage reduction" but the 30% damage node doesnt seem great.
30% damage for (at most) 60% of the fight is actually like 18% damage overall?
then comboed with the cull nodes you're looking at like 10% damage average depending on how decimate rolls.
slightly higher i guess since it ramps while breaking concentration, but still.

or am i just expecting too much out of it

[frail jay]

yeah those will probably be in marauder or added later in witch

marauder kinda makes sense, they are str gems in poe1

[ancient geyser]

marauder = duelist?

[native zinc]

bleed + blasphemy blood mage is what i'm hoping will pan out

[frail jay]

marauder = STR axe guy

[sterile latch]

zzz monk idk, generating charges whether it's power or frenzy seems really obnoxious... on single target at least

[ancient geyser]

im so confused with their namechanges

oh

[frail jay]

duelist = gladiator

[ancient geyser]

right right

[frail jay]

marauder isn't a name change lmao

that's the str guy in poe1

[ancient geyser]

ye but i didn't remember the poe1 guy names

[frail jay]

there''ll be more charge support on uniques and the passive tree

[ancient geyser]

i thought it was berserker baseline and chieftain juggernaut ascendancies

been too long since i played poe1

[sterile latch]

one can hope. else i'll just go caster and trigger 40 spells per second with chain reactions

[ancient geyser]

your mana bar will implode doing this

according to certain people mana regen is gonna be an issue

[frail jay]

yeah that's why I'm still considering infernalist

[sterile latch]

temp rift, nanoboosted arcane surge etc.

[ancient geyser]

or you go bloodmage with blood magic and pray you have enough self sustain to pay high costs

[sterile latch]

still better than "please chill a mob then shock him and do the thing to gain one power charge"

[maiden karma]

Seems a little bit weaker

[frail jay]

or just have mana costs through the roof

I imagine that got really fucked with warbringer and negative armour

[vapid shadow]

i wonder if sorc can buff other class it be kool to buff, rewind time, buff a friend

xD

[maiden karma]

I don't know what to play

[frail jay]

minion infernalist

[maiden karma]

I'm afraid of going warbringer and finding out that the negative armour is capped at some insignificant number

[ancient geyser]

infernalist seems super flexible tbh

you can transition into anything

[frail jay]

you can even transition into a garbage can by taking demonform

[ancient geyser]

[maiden karma]

I hate how unfairly strong archmage looks

Bleed/ignite sunder bloodmage looks tempting

[frail jay]

How do you ignite?

Avatar of fire?

[maiden karma]

Big infernal cry/herald of fire clap

Gore spike nerf hurts tho

[gusty bone]

Monsters have different armor values right? Just like ailment threshold

[thorny path]

yea

[frail jay]

not exactly

[maiden karma]

But grasping wounds with fat roll could be wild for survivability

[frail jay]

Ailment threshold is a % hp thing and you can expect it to be uniform across monster rarity. Armor can vary from monster to monster based on the actual mob type itself.

[blissful abyss]

Can orb of storms be supported with more duration?

[frail jay]

I don't see why not

it won't give it more uses before it disappears though

[blissful abyss]

my intent is to have orb of storms on the gorund and then cast lightning strike inside of it to shock mobs and stuff while I attack

[native widget]

Guys, does cold snap consume freeze?

[blissful abyss]

sould work right?

[thorny path]

I would think so, yes

[native widget]

So how would it work if you support it with biting frost

[frail jay]

doesn't say it consumes freeze

[pallid wagon]

Blocking with shield works only when we raise up the shield or there is a base block chance without raising too?

[thorny path]

Raising the shield is active blocking, when you aren't raising the shield you still have passive blocking

[loud geyser]

So many good witchhunter nodes....

[thorny path]

active block is 100% chance, passive block is decided by the block chance on the shield + increased block chance on the passive tree

[pallid wagon]

Thanks, sounds good

I think I'll go with Deadeye 1, 2, 7, 8.
1h mace + shield

And if it fails (probably will) then I reroll to a bow build

[hoary plover]

honestly i like witchhunter less the more i look at it

[ornate cipher]

I wanted to do minions but not with witch

not sure what other class would lead to it

[pallid wagon]

Gemling

[loud geyser]

Any specific problems with it?

[maiden karma]

What you gonna use frenzies on with a mace

[ornate cipher]

the Titan +50% small node is huge also

for minions

+20 sack

[pallid wagon]

that i will have to test, but probably one of the slams

[maiden karma]

None of the slams consume frenzy

[pallid wagon]

ah for consume and generating I think there will something weapon-neutral, no? Like there is a buff for frenzy (or a support gem, frenzy on hit), and I guess there has to be a consume skill too which provides a buff or something.

[hoary plover]

no. like its not bad, its just not as good as I initially thought. the cull branch is decent, but has a weird anti-synergy with the concentration branch. the shield is proably good with investment, but also probably takes a lot of investment to be great. weapon swap nodes are very niche and the explosion is cool for mapping but also not really a deal breaker.
its fine but just doesnt seem as strong to me now as it did at first glance

im very open to being wrong though

[thorny path]

If there is, we havne't seen it

[loud geyser]

That's fair. I was thinking if I do start Witchhunter I'll take Culling Strike, Decimating Strike, and then try the sorcery ward nodes for some defense. The concentration nodes confuse me so I decided to avoid them.

[thorny path]

The warcries use endurance charges

[solid flume]

rolled for my class and got:

• Infernalist, non-crit, cast on X, no minion
  any idea on what to make? and which ascendancy path to take?

[hoary plover]

Yeah i don't want to dissuade you. It definitely won't be bad.

[thorny path]

fire spell ignite, with demon form, pyromantic flame, and whatever 2 nodes you want

[static plinth]

Ngl concentration nodes seem awesome, at least in theory

At least from my time farming Harbingers, reducing CDR on enemies should have a massive impact

[gusty bone]

Does Sunder deal the auto crit first then removes the fully broken armor or the other way around?

[static plinth]

They should be simultaneous no?

Unless theres some scenario where it matters?

[frail jay]

aka the suicide build

[maiden karma]

It matters for whether it boosts its own damage or not

Melee infernalist sounds cool, but she got no damn damage nodes for it

[static plinth]

I would assume it must benefit

[pallid wagon]

I mean Frenzy is mentioned for deadeye asc, so probably there has to be a way to both generate and consume even if we didn't see it yet

[thorny path]

Only frenzy consuming skills I've seen are Barrage and Rain of Arrows, both bow skills

[static plinth]

If you could take all 3 Beidat nodes + the crit node it sounds hella

But you cant so we'd be relying on other life reservation

[velvet blade]

I'm really hoping they add more frenzy generation besides the one spirit skill and the one mark

[thorny path]

oh wait Spiral Volley does too, also a bow attack

[maiden karma]

Beidats are locked behind augmented flesh so that's a no go

[thorny path]

(I never saw this one before)

[static plinth]

Yeah. In theory if you can stack more crit damage like that itd be really good

[maiden karma]

Can run pain attunement with it tho, which kinda works for sunder

[static plinth]

We'd need Midnight Bargain or something though

Giants Blood, Midnight Bargain and an Axe, Infernalist, Pain Attunement, 2 Beidat nodes and the Crit node

[maiden karma]

But the problem is mana beidat is fucking useless for melee

[olive tide]

added fire damage doesnt affect SRS damage right?

[static plinth]

It does if linked to SRS

Assuming you mean the support

[thorny path]

I promise, with this channel as my witness, I shall make the Beidat build work

[olive tide]

hmm ok ty

[frail jay]

I mean if there's any good way to sustain ES, beidat is instantly quite good

[maiden karma]

Easy with archmage

[pallid wagon]

hm.. if I can't consume it with mace then yeah, selecting Asc2 on Deadeye would be stupid. In that case I would go with Asc6 (one more mark)

[thorny path]

I would recommend not doing deadeye mace build as your first build of poe2

[maiden karma]

The lack of a str/int starter is fucking killing me

[lofty grotto]

Templar :3

[frail jay]

I wouldn't do a deadeye mace build at all

there's like 0 synergy

[tidal furnace]

sure there is

[frail jay]

....like?

[tidal furnace]

Idk yet lemme look

[frail jay]

lmao

Like these do nothing with maces

It's literally tailwind and an extra mark

not even a 4th node

[thorny path]

scratch 7 and 8 too, no way you aren't getting hit ever in melee

[uncut bay]

guys should I focus on dmg or tankiness 8n the campaign? stormweaver

[frail jay]

TRUE

lmao

[thorny path]

Both are equally important

[uncut bay]

alright

[frail jay]

depends on how good you are at avoiding things and what you are playing

Oh with stormweaver you can just go damage and spam ice nova I think

[uncut bay]

hmmm

[tidal furnace]

you just gotta use Spectral helix with deadeye

[frail jay]

AOE CC should let you deal with most stuff

[tidal furnace]

and then you're golden

[uncut bay]

it freezes the boss?

[lofty grotto]

Lack of shadow is killing me to
Where are rest of poison skills

[frail jay]

what are you talking about

you might be lost

this is poe2

[tidal furnace]

I'm not lost, you are.

[frail jay]

well that's an easy block

[tidal furnace]

damn so sensative

Im just joking around

[uncut bay]

what stormweaver build would you recommend early on?

[frail jay]

Ice nova

[tidal furnace]

Archmage with the Chill side

[uncut bay]

hmmm thanks

[tidal furnace]

Defense is gonna be king imo

[junior anvil]

I’m looking forward to dagger Chayula

Can’t wait to see what abilities there are for dagger

In the meantime, quarter staff chill/shock invoker looks super dope

[midnight bolt]

none?

[tidal furnace]

Some

eventually

[midnight bolt]

eventually is the key word

[junior anvil]

I think charged staff is going to be insane

@midnight bolt try reading what I wrote lol

“Looking forward”, “can’t wait”

[tidal furnace]

right which, if you read what he said it's clear he knows theres a wait involved beyond Dec 6th

[junior anvil]

“In the meantime”

😅

[rain magnet]

I've been coming across countless sources of conflicting information on how Magnitude works - So I have a very simple question that will clear up allot of confusion for me: Will Incendiary Shot be a good or bad ignite skill? (Only answer if you have actually read the gem info for it)

[honest hawk]

https://poe2skills.com/share?data=N4IgdghgtgpiBcICCB7AwgAgLIrAaxABoQAjAVwEsAbAEwQG1QBnPaqhEACwjBoxQBmGAMbcAnmSoQiIJmQAO8lACcALkwYgaMJvIgVlMgRCaqYyjBFWqIwvBuLCqKJjBEooJKzNEQXGKBMzZTEZCBptPl9-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-l79FjswjllUZqOFI-yhAenpHiA3ymPwYABDANpuFMN4qpsOiXtWJoGpWeQJKBMijrQTB2jQhYdrw5g1KOAiqJYRy+h0ZqpKkQA

MY STARTER

[vague granite]

hey, I need some help, why is everyone saying, warbringer depents on the armor calcs? isn't the armor break below 0 infinite dmg ramp anyway for bossing and for wave clear use warcallers bellow to cover the screen in corps explosions? seems good to me, but Im not that much into build building so far

[thorny path]

terrible for damage, great for forcing an ignite for "when enemy is ignited" effects

[rain magnet]

@thorny path Great. Thank you very much.

[tidal furnace]

@vague granite Armour might have a hard minimal limit

like resistence in poe can only go so low

mobs/bosses also might not have much armour to begin with, which reduces the value of the ascendency futher

[proven quest]

What's your plan to get power charges on bosses? Or do you not want to use flicker strike for bossing?

[vague granite]

hm... maybe, I might be willing to risk it and go warbringer, but the telent tree also seems to lean more into titan

[honest hawk]

I didn't think about that, was really just adding flicker as something to spend charges on during clear

[vague granite]

whats also irritating, is that the armor break is based on damage hit, so it would be a flat number, where is the cap than, or am I missing something

[thorny path]

What's your main skill

[thin basin]

wait wth dd does phys now instead of fire

that semi ruined my plan

reading my enemy

[honest hawk]

I will have to look at how I can charges on bosses but I feel like I have no room for skills, with how I'm thinking about this build, I have nothing to swap out

[honest hawk]

Hand of Chayula/Hexblast

[proven quest]

I feel like everyone is ignoring that Acolyte with Ravenous Doubts, Consuming questions, and breach you get mana and es every time you pick up blue flames

[olive tide]

problem with breach node is you have to play pacman for hourss on end

[gusty bone]

Eternal Youth recharge is now disabled upon any loss of life.

[lapis oak]

Yeah thats off-putting 😄

[restive harness]

poe2skill just copy poe2db and never update

[sterile latch]

technically you just need 1 yellow every 10s on end, but yeah i hope you're wrong xd

[gusty bone]

Demon Form life loss interrupts Eternal Youth regen

[native widget]

but its NOT diabled if you have MoM and you take damage to mana only right?

[olive tide]

i know with my luck one of those flames will spawn behind like a boss altar or something and i wont be able to pick it up to extend my buff, and ill feel bad

[gusty bone]

Demon Form is 1% loss of life per Demonflame, it is not damage and will not work with MoM.

[native widget]

No im talking about bloodmage

[gusty bone]

ah yes, if you only take damage to your mana then it will still work

[native widget]

👌

[sterile latch]

imagine if we have to go back 50% of the time

[olive tide]

if there is a pickup radius on the flames its much smoother to use

[lucid jolt]

I got a ps5 key from ggg, the client name is Path of exile 2: beta, is this the pre-load or the beta itself? Still downloading

[sterile latch]

the radius at home

[olive tide]

yikes

[native widget]

Allegedly archmage got nerfed 😔

[pastel forge]

Demon form is gonna rely on how available life regen is on gear tbh, or you basically need to path through druid into warrior for a bunch of regen

[gusty bone]

The cast speed bonus doesnt even scale with demonflame, they should change this, 16% is too low

[pastel forge]

There should be enough Regen including vitality but it's gonna cost a bunch of pts

Yea they introduced her as having faster cast speed but the amount seems low

[sterile stone]

theres no way they build entire ascendancy based on demonic form and theres no way to sustain it

[olive tide]

gonna give infernalist a shot.. but with the 7,8,10,11 nodes. demon form seems intense to league start

[gusty bone]

Can we respec ascendancy points in EA?

[sterile stone]

we can

respec not change

[proven quest]

I hope not in that order lol

[olive tide]

nah more than likely 10, 7, 8, 11... depending on max fire res availability

but if aggravate is available to deadeye in a reasonable way, ill just do bleed bow shennanigans

[toxic ether]

I'm thinking of starting demon form but using eternal youth to keep up on life

not first ascendancy though

[sterile latch]

skeleton shouldnt work for profane ritual right ? not sure they leave a corpse in poe1

or is it diablo

[native widget]

allegedly the demon flame thing got nerfed too

Damn

[shrewd socket]

worth using blind when im not playing evasion?

[toxic ether]

Which node? the cap at 10 or the form itself?

[native widget]

Dont have exact info

[frail jay]

I made a prototype of my build: https://poe2skills.com/share?data=N4IgdghgtgpiBcIByMDuACAQgVwJYBsATdAdhABoQAjPIhAbVAGcBrA-BEXMAYxjEK4IAJwCe6JgAsA9gBcKIJtgAOy6cNlMGIHpIjcFAMwhNZMYegizZEHiy2UAbtPz4YohREKDZuaZHxLHh5sYVsPSmEYfGkvCWUYGEIQAF0AX3JmNldOaJhYMBtA7mceKz8wBSVVdU1tHmlYeUomBNd0GF1pBQaidASwGFkw338FblbcEYqel2IoEzMxVIys9k5DfGgFqgJcWQjFFTUNLXh6EEkYXABzSTNB4hDhJjhKQ2kQ16fQ15XMxTZDiIMqmdD+dC3MD7N5HGqnbTuGDgwzoVDcJazPowAAeaiUUXGg0c+wgVDc6B4wn2uDKHHSANY60Q+Fu92hYBuElk6igVWOtTOF2wYDcJkkRKpMBMyNZUH2CjyBSK6EETF0IhusKg6mRhFC5TG70W5kpi24N3+axyiCV-BVJU+hsqLQFCPO1Ag7VZd1kHMtlHRRCkIkIDkUMVQpuUwmkACtOr43OGGgJsDxRi6QPxzI5nVbAcyQCIM7TLMIdaF+fC6h6Y51cEwZk5SayDj0ttT25QymBoVQvY2+QzrcDs25lV7IWBSvnXTWhSARdKNBLKPLoRCJjZdm3DtxDOYAug3Ddm9mmK9eMi9MJHDBTAWmTaQAtIOgzFAEo-5ydaxd8jUKMomIQhoAgLVFS-aRgKSSlsBydJ0iAA

[shrewd olive]

yo

[frail jay]

where are you hearing that from?

[gusty bone]

nerfed how?

[shrewd olive]

Yall for Storm Surge, what looks to be the best pick

[native widget]

I cant say. The guy does have beta test

Its ok, tmrw by this time we prob will have all the numbers

[icy turtle]

that's cope

[native widget]

[static plinth]

Source?

[gusty bone]

Says some guy on reddit, says hes playing demon form right now and testing eternal youth

[sterile latch]

Nerf EI

[static plinth]

Guess im going Mastered Darkness afterall

[native widget]

Noooooo

[static plinth]

At least you can link Vitality to Demon Form for some free regen

[thorny path]

Rip terrible build

[atomic halo]

do nda's just mean nothing

[native widget]

Yes

[proven quest]

Just a heads up, it's likely that's an outdated version of EI

[thorny path]

Quick someone tell the arch blood mage guy his build is dead

[frail jay]

Most of the stuff on there is probably outdated, obviously we can see it as soon as people datamine stuff on friday

[heady brook]

hi guys. silly question about witch, shes a full minion class or she can be a caster like sorceress ?

[vocal carbon]

Thinking of a strength stacking bloodmage with blood magic/avatar of fire but not sure if it's a cook or cooked

[icy turtle]

you can give her a sword or a bow if you wanted. you can truly do anything.

[proven quest]

True, I'm just saying that even poe2db has a version that's different

[icy dirge]

Is starting merc really viable for a minion build? I looked at the tree already and it seems like the minion nodes are very far. completely on the other side of the map near the witch and above

[heady brook]

I usually play Caster character, i just dont wanna start a witch and its not that.

[icy turtle]

witch is a good caster

[proven quest]

Also, are you getting a third limit on Lightning storm somehow?

[heady brook]

Thanks. i will try it and see what happend.

[frail jay]

nah just casts 2 in 1 go

[proven quest]

I'd probably switch unleash and echo then

[frail jay]

Unleash does nothing on EI

Echo is 100% more damage

[heady brook]

Theres any place where i can see skill tree and things for build making ? (im new to poe)

[icy turtle]

https://marcoaaguiar.github.io/poe2-tree/?a=bloodmage&p=Q
we don't have everything yet but this is what we know so far

[proven quest]

This is where the 1 support limit is kinda lame

[lone temple]

we dont know. it is all speculation. respec seems easy if you have the gold so ...

[proven quest]

You just have to use another support that does something pretty similar, but is just more janky

[frail jay]

Eh I mean it wouldjn't really chance anything

uncleash is better than echo anyways

not like I'm casting lightning storm much

it's like once every 6-7 seconds

and unleash casts 2 faster than echo does

[proven quest]

Ya, it'll just be janky to have to stand there for 3 cast times, to only get 2 storms

[icy dirge]

Yeah but you cant change ascendencies. I heard the infernalist is bugged if you take the transformation with minions.

[frail jay]

the 2nd and 3rd cast time are only 1/10th of the cast time that's how unleash works

[lunar totem]

So this definitely doesn't work, right

[lone temple]

yep it is. The minion despawn when you change form

[proven quest]

Oh really? When did they say that?

[frail jay]

if it's a 1s cast time unleash 3 takes 1.2sec and spell echo 2 takes 1.42sec

that's how unleash works in poe1, I doubt it's changing

[icy dirge]

That's such a shame, it would be so good if it worked right off the bat. Guess I need to think about a different style of play

[frail jay]

Like if it was the full cast time what would unleash even do...

the entire point is it charges up extra "free" casts

[proven quest]

Unleash adds 10% cast time per seal

[frail jay]

yeah that's what I said

[proven quest]

no you said it's 1/10th the cast time

[frail jay]

Literally the same thing

???

[proven quest]

No it's not. 10% longer means a 1s cast time would be 2.1 seconds with 1 seal

[frail jay]

mo

[proven quest]

1/10th would be what you said

[frail jay]

no

10% cast time per seal means the base cast is 1s and the seal is 10% of that

[static plinth]

No

[frail jay]

so 1.1

[static plinth]

10% longer than the base time

[frail jay]

which is what I said

[static plinth]

This would make the support worse than no support lmao

[frail jay]

What would be the point of a support that lets you cast a 1s spell twice in 2.1s with 50% less damage on the 2nd cast

[proven quest]

because I thought it was the inverse. Increases cast time and increases damage

[prime raft]

guys, what happens if you have ancestral bond and you use the weapon passive skills and uce a scepter to summon totems, then you take the scepter off?

[heady brook]

yeah thanks. i will need a guide or something. 🤣

[prime raft]

also can you have keystones as weapon passive skills on tree etc so u only have a keystone when u have another weapon out

[thorny path]

No you can’t have keystones or jewel sockets as weapon set passives

[proven quest]

I remember someone on here saying you cannot weapon swap keystones, but I'd need to find the source

[prime raft]

okay and what about if i jst swap my scepter off so i have less spirit, do my totems get deleted ?

[proven quest]

I believe you lose the spirit, so some amount of totems would die. If you're talking about ancestral bond

[prime raft]

im thinkin about a monk build with lots of spirit, with staff for clearing and you put on a scepter and summon like 6 totems for boss lol

can you dual wield scepters ?

[proven quest]

With lead me through grace that would be pretty cool

Infernalist can also stack spirit pretty well

[prime raft]

do you guys think the warbringer ancestral spirit things on totem summon will be good ?

ans can totems use staff skills? or just mace

[pseudo bobcat]

I think warbringer looks very good overall even if that particular node fails.

The totem stuff i mean

[proven quest]

My guess is that they'll be good for clearing, but I don't know how helpful they'll be for bosses

[crystal rain]

based on the only video we've seen of them so far I'm pretty sure the AI on warbringer ancestral spirits is just straight up broken atm, and probably not worth taking the first week

[brisk niche]

Can you support triggered spell skills?

[pseudo bobcat]

I don't see why not

[native widget]

Do yall think cold snap is the strongest single target cold spell? Or are there another one thats stronger single target

[proven quest]

Can we only use one "cast on.." gem at a time?

[pseudo bobcat]

The real question there is does it share supports with a triggering ability or not

[native widget]

You can use as many as your spirit allows

[proven quest]

I guess I should say, does only one work

[native widget]

It has to be, other wise it would be so weak

[native widget]

No each have its own energy counter

And it will all work

[proven quest]

ok cool, some of the gems say "you" gain energy, so I didn't know if that was something on the character instead of the gem

[native widget]

Nah the energy is a separate counter for each cast on gem

[proven quest]

because for elemental invocations, it specifically says "this invocation" so I didn't know if they would be treated differently

[native widget]

Yeah all treated separately

But triggered skills can't generate energy which is sad

[proven quest]

It is, but it makes sense

[native widget]

It does, but i just hope EI would be different

Since you have to cast it yourself

[proven quest]

That's true. I feel like EI is either really good or really bait, but I can't tell lmao

[frigid hill]

From my understanding, Demon Form is Life Loss and not you taking damage (can't resist it etc). If it's Life Loss, based on PoE1, it won't stop life recharge, based on Petrified Blood's interaction with Dissolution of the Flesh.
No way to know for sure until we're in game, of course.

[pastel forge]

On one hand, if it were considered damage, then it would stop the recharge, on the other hand it should also mean that in a MoM set up, this 'damage' should affect mana instead

If it can be sustained by EY, it would almost be too easy lol

Cause base recharge rate is 12.5%

[lunar totem]

Does all phys inherently have a bleed chance, or do you have to add bleed chance to an elemental spell for this to really work?

[frigid hill]

Well you'd still have to solve MoM's drawback, but it looks like it should work to me

[prime raft]

what kind of passive nodes can scale totem damage now ? since they have their own weapon

[frigid hill]

it looks like we have dedicated totem nodes on the tree, they just haven't been revealed

[sterile latch]

do we know how many spec points we will have ?

[frigid hill]

oh I just saw this, that's a bummer.

[thin basin]

u still need bleed chance probs

[lunar totem]

Thanks, wasn't sure. Shouldn't be terrible to get

[thin basin]

chance to bleed gem

unless youre going down for some reason

too many points wasted

hopefully atleast 1 random phys/bleed wheel on top side somwhere

they always do those random ones

[lunar totem]

Can maybe anoint it on Amulet... maybe

Since you answered that, what do you think about this

They wouldn't let you do this, right, it would be too insane

[thin basin]

that affect is already in poe1 i think

i forgor how it interacts

[frigid hill]

works in poe1

[toxic breach]

afaik you need bleed chance, magnitude refers to how strong the bleed is. basically just says ele dmg contributes to bleed dmg like phys

[distant dome]

Wouldn’t blasphemy just be regularly re-applying a debuff? So it should work.

[thin basin]

it should works yes hexblast

[lunar totem]

Really? Hm... Isn't that a massive amount of flat chaos, seems too strong if you can just spam it?
I'm wondering for this, btw

Seems like Hexblast is the best way to put out massive flat chaos

[frigid hill]

yea that tracks

[distant dome]

Hex blast is an active skill, not a passive support. It won’t go off automatically if that’s what you’re thinking.

[lunar totem]

Correct, I get that. I'm saying Hexblast does a huge amount of flat, and Blashphemy simply reapplies the curses, correct?

So you can just stand near an enemy and spam Hexblast

[frigid hill]

Just to be clear, you can only apply 1 curse by default

[lunar totem]

Yeah, I was planning on trying to find all sources of additional curse

[pastel forge]

Gotta get the keystone at the top for double curse

[lunar totem]

Then just getting a random DoT, put chaotic freeze on it, and then spam Hexblast over and over

[frigid hill]

Hmm, curses have some sort of activation timer or something in poe2? Can't remember

[lunar totem]

So the DoT with Chaotic Freeze is on something, all flat chaos that enemy takes contributes to freeze, Hexblast is spammable due to Blasphem,y

[frigid hill]

That won't work

[lunar totem]

Okay I must be missing something

[frigid hill]

For Chaotic Freeze, only the DoT applies freeze

You'd have to go poison hexblast or something

[lunar totem]

Am I not reading it right? "Chaos damage Hits from any source"

[frigid hill]

Oh my bad

I only read the first two lines, classic

[lunar totem]

Yeah it's a well-worded skill but still complicated, I had to read it like 6 times before I even thought this might work

[hoary plover]

blasphemy + [any curse] + decaying hex + chaotic freeze + hinder + encumbrance
is going on every build forever until it gets nerfed

well maybe not freze if you dont do chaos, but the rest

[frigid hill]

Anyway the only potential issue would be the inherent delay in curses in poe2, uncertain how it works exactly

[trail rampart]

does anyone have footage of the sunder skill in POE2 im crafting a TITAN build around HOTA for bossing (after heavy stun and armor break) and was considering sunder as the mapping skill

[lunar totem]

Yeah that makes sense, was also wondering

[shrewd olive]

How is Storm Surge lookin?

I know that's what I'm gonna start playing. Not sure which path is best via ascendancies

[thorny path]

well that depends

what is storm surge exactly

[lunar totem]

My initial idea before I considered this was the bleed chance on elemental damage,
Comet + random damage buffs + Inevitable Critical
Huge comet, big chill applied, huge bleed applied, Maybe Cast on Freeze for whatever curse I'm too lazy to cast myself
And then if you have a burning minion, you'd have an ailment to eat for the other damage supports that consume an ailment

[vagrant hollow]

Would a chonk monk that focuses on lightning damage make sense?

I know the damage ascendency talents are focused on chaos damage, but the way it's worded makes me think that it will just take 20-30% of whatever damage output your doing and tacking it on in addition afterward. So if do 1k lightning damage, is it as simple as adding an additional 200-300 chaos damage on top of it?

[thorny path]

"damage as added" effects are applied on base damage, before increased and more modifiers

You have to build for the chaos damage, it's not free damage like poe1 would be

[native widget]

this is my tree currently

[honest hawk]

would hexblast trigger this?

[static plinth]

Presumably still no, since its Removal, not Expiry

[vagrant hollow]

So does this mean it makes the most sense to focus on phys/wind damage then? Hard to find chaos damage on the tree, and probably won't be chaos melee skills till shadow comes out

[thorny path]

I would focus more on generic damage increases, like "attack" "melee" "quarterstaff"(or other weapon specific)

Monk/quarterstaff in general have a lot of different damage types, with generic increases you can improve them all

[native widget]

guys

does 122 skill points include the weapon specialized points?

[hoary plover]

yes

[native widget]

😔

damn, we dont have enough passive points

too little

[hoary plover]

the weapon aren't additional points, they're just flexible

[wanton dawn]

Anyone theory crafting a combo ailment gemling yet? Like wild fire storm fire ignite shocks chills?

[civic vessel]

Considering Gore Spike, could one make most spells crit pure from spell selection with a combination of Comet for Freeze and Cast on Freeze on Cold Snap with Biting Cold? Does this garantee critical hits without the need for additional crit chance from pasives?

[gritty ether]

which skill planner you using?

[native widget]

https://poe-2-skill-tree-planner.vercel.app/

made a few changes

[thorny path]

guarantee crits without additional crit investment? absolutely not

[rustic salmon]

Anyone got the name of that unique that has the tripple cast?

[civic vessel]

would the freeze not garantee crit?

[native widget]

he said biting frost dude

[thorny path]

You mean the staff with unleash implicit skill? that was a regular staff base

[native widget]

it is most def guranteed crit

[thorny path]

oh yes it would with biting frost

I thought you were talking about the 15% base crit node my b

[civic vessel]

I guess that node would have low value as it would only apply to Comet in that case?

or other used spells*

[thorny path]

Only the spell you have biting frost on

Very high opportunity cost for a narrow use case imo I would just invest in crit chance instead

[gritty ether]

122 skills (so really 102 baseline + 20 weapon) + 8 ascendency? Or is the 8 ascendency part of the 122?

[thorny path]

122 + 8 ascendancy

[native widget]

Its pretty big on any spell thats not guranteed or already have 15% crit

[civic vessel]

And how reliable can one freeze targets?

[native widget]

Lol not very apparently

[thorny path]

The enemies you would actually care about, rares and bosses, not very reliably

You would be locked into only cold spells + build freeze buildup on tree

Like I said high opportunity cost

[native widget]

theres a increase ailment chance on rare and uniq mob node on monk's side

but its behind a few mana leech nodes, so i dont know how i think about it

[near acorn]

Why the doom around freeze? Poe 1 it was pretty easy to freeze most bosses and rares

And theres buildup now, so your investment is never wasted

[thorny path]

freeze was guaranteed on crit in poe1, not the case in poe2

[honest hawk]

added to my build thanks for the suggestion

[near acorn]

Just slower

[near acorn]

Kind of

[native widget]

does the illusion count as a minion tho

[honest hawk]

not sure, don't matter for me 😄

[thorny path]

wdym, kind of

[honest hawk]

I hope Lingering Illusion will work with CI lol

[near acorn]

Not every crit with a cold skill froze. You needed to hit hard enough to get a 0.3s freeze in order for it to do anything

[honest hawk]

.2 life

[near acorn]

Whereas in poe 2 we get buildup if we fail to freeze

[thorny path]

ok that is a "kind of" moment

The other reason is rares and bosses are way stronger in poe2 vs poe1

And there's no freeze chance, it's purely the buildup system

so you can't luck into a freeze

[sleek lantern]

First time playing poe any interesting monk ideas to build

[near acorn]

Yes 🙂

[proven quest]

Idk if there's also ways to lower the life of the illusion, but I'd definitely increase the duration in any way possible

[sleek lantern]

What’s your plan? Ngl i think ima fuck up my first build 😭

[honest hawk]

im planning on CI so im not sure what happens there lol, maybe it just wont work

[vagrant hollow]

How does stun threshold work for builds that have 0 energy shield (Eldritch battery) and 1 life (Chaos inoculation). All their damage is taken from mana (mind over matter)?

[near acorn]

I'm gonna start with some random elemental stuff that feels good, go invoker, then construct horrible cwc/coc jank

[thorny path]

The game has a lot of new player guiding stuff like tooltips and recommended skills, you can safely go in blind and should be able to have a decent character

[thorny path]

Stunned on hit

[proven quest]

hmmm good question. I'd think the illusion has to have at least 1 life?

[thorny path]

jk I have no idea

[sleek lantern]

Oh wow thats fire im so excited for this game man been watching hella reactions videos to the last poe stream

[sleek lantern]

Cwc coc?

[honest hawk]

ya just thinking of a chance the game freaks out trying to do 20% of 1

[near acorn]

Cast while channeling / cast on crit

[proven quest]

This is generally my idea as well

[near acorn]

Though we also have a bunch of new toys like cast on shock, barrier invocation, cast on dodge, ...

[honest hawk]

https://poe2skills.com/share?data=N4IgdghgtgpiBcICCB7AwgAgLIrAaxABoQAjAVwEsAbAEwQG1QBnPaqhEACwjBoxQBmGAMbcAnmSoQiIJmQAO8lACcALkwYgaMJvIgVlMgRCaqYyjBFWqIwvBuLCqKJjBEooJKzNEQXGKBMzZTEZCBptPl9-GmgIAHM4AF0AX0JmVip2RAEqCjtzDFNlCjw4YjlFFXVNThQyZXipJgcQeXN21TIIKhFuRvK2yQA3cwpXH1xhGDBVZSsYPhgBARhhVTCIilUKXB7LYWEG21DU9NlM7K4YAA8SZo2KhSU1DXh6MEkqYmNTQuEghQwPEZECYMNthB7m5hCUdgD2I44fl9rFAokZLc1mQzCAzhk2BxtLp9IYnlVXpoBCgjq4og0JsRODAKPFOGYwIsRAzBtoAWIgfEMMybj5uCh4RgBMoYDAAF6DCAyiD8ITLVbrPFpAlZDiXQUYPRUKAySovGrvUgwZnhGR5VYYGjzIGm+q9J36MAyKCSHbyKgw-oY4gzGgNA325Lai6ExCBWbzVWOnRzMjrXZe8nmt70EAwKBKADu5i5aISUfOLFjIDywLGwIwbDITAzpue1RzICgKjcYfmO1wWsrlw4he2zJKDfkMtcYGmbYpFtzEJseVUoUcPDAFC8eSYJqZ5l34wPbRlwnGrccUjhp2jVd1iABpn4YACMADbhHWY7mh0s+mR1nUzEBhFwGx4ivEAx1oJh+hoVpOCBbQyVkMcBFUSwVjydNB1SVIgA

I don't know what to put as last support gems for hexblast and buffs

[thorny path]

why additional accuracy on flicker

[proven quest]

It would just depend on how they do the math. Usually GGG likes to truncate, so it would be 0. But they might have set a minimum threshold so that it always spawns with at least one life. Or they didn't because it would be really strong with CI

[honest hawk]

because every other skill I have doesn't need accuracy so im not investing in it

as much as I can get away with

[thorny path]

hand of chayula is an attack it needs accuracy too

killing palm

[honest hawk]

cant be evaded all palm skills

[thorny path]

oh shit

[honest hawk]

ya i just dont know what I can get away with on flicker as far as hit%

[thorny path]

I still wouldn't take up a support slot for a non-damage-increasing support just to not get some accuracy on tree

[honest hawk]

i mean spending passive points for 1 skill vs 1 support gem idk

[thorny path]

You already have perpetual charge in there

[native widget]

how much more damage really would +1 level to skill gem do?

[proven quest]

from how they've described accuracy, you shouldn't need much when you're very close to the enemy

[honest hawk]

hand of chayula has base damage on gem like spells so I'm hoping for something there and its also supporting despair

[proven quest]

you're dex might end up just covering it honestly

[honest hawk]

but yeah that might get swapped into hexblast HY

yeah maybe I can get rid of accuracy support and not invest on tree and get away with it

fwiw lol

MoM CI Eternal youth but thats late

some weapon swap attack damage to spell dmg nodes

[honest hawk]

I actually don't know what other supports I can add to the buff gems. the obvious ones are being used on withering

[native widget]

wait, does reducing cast time also reduce the delay between getting a new seal on unleash??

[proven quest]

It sounds like it. Doesn't say base cast time

[frigid hill]

it would increase the delay, surely edit: sorry u said cast time, not cast speed
im tired

[native widget]

right?

i always thought its the base cast time

[proven quest]

Very possible it'll be changed to base cast time. And I learned earlier that I know nothing about unleash in poe1 lmao

[native widget]

https://poe2skills.com/share?data=N4IgdghgtgpiBcIByMDuACAQgVwJYBsATdAFhABoQAjPIhAbVAGcBrA-BEAYwiYBd0AezDoAZgCcYMAF5xKTbAAdFg8XyYNugouiaRFFarj64wAczHjB-Q13HHcPfOkLQIZuSBgAPGF2x8nlzaxFC8geIAniAAugC+5Mxs+ByIMPgwsGB8EM6mAG6CPCbChgrKquqawbB8ZYrpzn4AFoKGUKa4wuiKEFx1lMFgXDDZ4hCBxDCion4DIIL5MOJczRDiHrEJSeycMJEwQqLoqKYRZUoqahrw9Fo6PioKkoZUDubowXSUZvh9uBMumBDM1Iio+M1lh0IIZsGAMrxmltEiBWLt4GBsCl5JdKjd6PEUWiUghMdjUbjrgxCTsSRisfgcRUqbcaajkqkyYyKcyqqztuz0VymVc+QSBcTOQyRXjqXF4kA

before then i think this is very much viable

theres ways to increase seal in poe 1 right?

maybe there will also be way to increase it in poe 2

[proven quest]

I think there's a node on the tree in poe1

[native widget]

any thoughts on my build tho?

[honest hawk]

I was listening to Jungroan talk about eye of winter and was saying something about how important slower projectile speed is for it. Can find link if you'd like

[native widget]

yeah prob

ill prob replace cold exposure with slower proj

kinda forgot about replacing the cold exposure ngl

[proven quest]

idk how often you plan on casting Eye of Winter, but spell echo might be better if you're planning for it to be your main skill

[native widget]

spell echo decrease cast speed tho

[thorny path]

You need actual damage supports on eye of winter

[native widget]

which would also make my unleash seal take longer

didnt think it was worth it

[native widget]

possibly

[native widget]

glaciation and hypothermia might make up for it

but we will see

[thorny path]

You have literally no damage supports on it, if it is able to freeze even a white mob the game has serious problems

[signal zinc]

so what are yalls plans for poe2

[native widget]

ill have archmage, plus unleash and biting cold is some what a damage support lol

[thorny path]

Archmage only adds lightning damage, it won't contribute to freeze buildup at all

[native widget]

true..

[signal zinc]

i wanna try out the infernalist and do something with SRS but i dont know what the theorycrafting tools are for poe2

[distant dome]

Find a really good show to second monitor while spamming the login screen after the servers crash in the first minute.

Getting in a discord call with friends and laughing at all the people who are like losing their minds over server instability. Launches are hard dude..

—-
Or everything just goes smooth I login, and blast.

[native widget]

its just that most of the sup i can use is on comet and cold snap

[wanton dawn]

What are best active skills for gemling cold based

[native widget]

im kinda out of sup gem to use

[distant dome]

Grab raging spirit, press, fire spells, profit

[glacial mesa]

What do you think guys about Witchhunter : 2-4-5-8 or 1-2-3-8 = Clear map // 2-3-4-5 = Boss ?

[signal zinc]

they said they are prepared for around a million players with options in case its not enough, do i thing its an exageration, probably, do i think GGG is also preping for a more realistic number of around 500k wich is the number of active players CSGO has right now wich is the game with most active players right now yes

[native widget]

Fuck gemling lol

[static cipher]

xD

[native widget]

Storm weaver is the way

[static cipher]

it shoves the gems into its flesh OR ELSE IT GETS THE HOSE AGAIN

[signal zinc]

i wanna theory craft first, i have around 1500h on poe1 and im still usless without POB on my second monitor

[proven quest]

Watched that movie like 2 days ago lol

[native widget]

i feel like witch hunter and gemling are just noob baits at the start

[static cipher]

hahaha

[signal zinc]

gremlin

[static cipher]

good movie tho

and gemling is good, too <.<

.>

its like someone getting a brand new ferrari, right? fuck that ferarri its ugly anyway

I get it

;D

[signal zinc]

they will probably be like the ascendant, some of the most powerful build with some of the highest currency requirments to build them

[proven quest]

Gemling is probably awesome, but I think it’ll take longer than most ascendancies to figure out

[distant dome]

I feel that. I just assume my first character won’t be perfectly optimized, but I’ll get to explore optimization of one particular skill to an extreme. Then once metas start to coalesce, I’ll have in depth and knowledge about that one skill, and I’ll be able to possibly adapt a Meta to include that one skill better than other people

[native widget]

Yeah but using them at league start(EA start) is a bait

[signal zinc]

gremlin will likely be meta once the people who are actually good at making builds figure out how to optimize them

[static cipher]

Im looking at it like, slam face against wall until have a good few uniques, and then maybe try and theorycraft something to work with one or two of those.

[signal zinc]

im gona try to play hardcore fail miserably and then drag my ass back to softcore once there are builds already

[native widget]

Lmfao

You arent even gonna make it out of campaign

[distant dome]

I’ve spent most of my time in the last two days the crafting the hell out of bone Storm. There’s a good chance I don’t even like it as much as I like some of the other spells and won’t actually use bone Storm for long

[static cipher]

bone storm looks cool imo

[distant dome]

And I have no idea why voice to text is randomly capitalizing Storm

[native widget]

I feel like bone storm would be clunky af

[signal zinc]

campaign is estimated 40 hours and im gona do every single mission and so by sheer overleveling i mightr

[distant dome]

I’m gonna make it Pierce and then bounce off terrain so it hits the primary target again

[native widget]

ngl, you still gonna die. i dont think any pro/speedrunner/streamer have yet completed the game without dying

[proven quest]

Even with reduced speed being able to move while channeling is very nice

[static cipher]

there are no "pro" for 2 yet lol

everyone sucks just the same

[native widget]

I mean "pro"at poe 1

[static cipher]

yea but alot of that wont correlate and if anything will be a hindrance in some instances

[signal zinc]

speedruners try to go fast thats why they die, slow and steady is the way to go, and you cant be a pro of a game that isnt even out yet

[static cipher]

you already know math and are forced to learn new math

or already know english and are forced to learn french

lol

They dont have some crazy giant leg up other than playing some of it

[proven quest]

Being good at poe1 is a massive leg up in poe2

[static cipher]

I disagree

[distant dome]

“Mobility” is such a bad support gem. I think it shouldn’t have “less” damage on it. It could just have “no” damage modifier on it and still be a relative damage penalty compared to support gems that say “25-35% more damage”

[static cipher]

The only beneficial thing that comes to mind is you have prior experience how GGG likes to synergize spells which is rather unique to the genre

[proven quest]

Knowing what skills on passive trees mean, when they’re good, how to gear, are all things that will help massively

[static cipher]

How to gear? We have no idea how gear will work seeing as its been completely reworked man xD

[distant dome]

Mobility + momentum was going to be my combo for bonestorm, but I don’t think I can justify that much of a damage loss

[signal zinc]

thats like saying being good at chess makes you good at checkers, the games are similar but magnus carlsen would be destroyed by an ok chekers player

[static cipher]

everyone assuming you still get 20% dmg reduction for 5% top cap resistances and stuff

math probably all weird now xD

but in cases where the verbiage is like

"More" or "Increased"

I guess prior experience will help

lol

[distant dome]

To be fair checkers is a solved game

[proven quest]

Life and resistances are still going to be important, and know how to balance those things

[signal zinc]

ok then majong

[static cipher]

ofc theyll be important, but if to the degree of before we have to see

[distant dome]

K

[proven quest]

It’s more like magnus Carlson vs a random person in a strategic board game neither have played. I’d pick magnus every time

[static cipher]

I didnt nolife POE for like 2 1/2 years, and forgot a lot of it. Am thankful for that.

[short rover]

is the argument being made that someone who has never played PoE1 is on the same playing field as like, Ben in PoE2 just because there are enough changes? I call bullshit on that lol

[static cipher]

I mean that's a bit of an extreme

[short rover]

understanding poe1 is absolutely a leg up on new players

[static cipher]

Im just saying he doesnt have like insider knowledge as to what will be particularly busted any more than the rest of us

[proven quest]

They don’t, but they’ll figure it out before the rest of us

[static cipher]

Yea when you have an entire discord theorycrafting for you im hardly surprised lol

but day 1 will be hilarious

[short rover]

.. huh

[signal zinc]

not the same level but also not the same gap

[static cipher]

A lot of builds stem from uniques, and we've seen all of 10 of them lol

[distant dome]

I do think there’s room for people who are relatively new to path of exile to come up with strategies that are in the blind spots of people who have played path of exile one a lot. And given a month, a new, but dedicated player could be on par with an experience player of path of exile one

[proven quest]

I think poe1 veterans will finish the acts 2-4 times faster than new players, and that’s just the beginning of the game

[honest hawk]

https://poe2skills.com/share?data=N4IgdghgtgpiBcICCB7AwgAgLIrAaxABoQAjAVwEsAbAEwQG1QBnPaqhEACwjBoxQBmGAMbcAnmSoQiIJmQAO8lACcALkwYgaMJvIgVlM7cIhiKYAOYZOMAB4zREFKorCMA5TBgAvOMRu2GCRUKChQMjYUFpyqMGAwfMJkykxwALoAvoTMrFTsiAHBEEyqMnKKKuqaEDTaidwoTBg00BAWfiCOjRhQxbHKYjIQnhD8QjACAjDCpcTCuKrKKHkJzTqLZDMUuDICfTDKIn3mFiCZ2bK5+SACVK54BxglyhQPZQpKahrw9CDyB-9VGQIFQRNxlO0hrUKC5cCCMBBhEllIjBv4UMkLFImBo5rhhHFFhBYnwJlMZjJ5JIAG4HCipM5ZHJsDgAd04BjulgROIgklmsg+lW+v1Z5j4rIgtJkwXFMjFqhsL25qgxohkKMhxDwYBQwjwJERBHOzLyHCuJwweio4WI5U+VR+pBgNhqMjuU2aKPMZQxoJo3rAMig-Io8ioMDBwy1IDiNGSlo96SZlxZiF6YCJYzWz02sKDdqFX00MCgSlZB1WLV6kJNqbNiC57WVVjYZCY2wLgoqxadUBUkfjKPzjIuLDTIAVSst8k8qTABPePcdv2pMJBMLRnR4YAohruTFtXAO+-pR9n03pnYcUheqkGdfHDe3JX4YB6MAjkauS4dItjOJxASXr6F28yZm017EGKtBMOCNC4lw4oHGUYoCKoCKTHcWw7JkmRAA

build ravamp, giving up on cope of hand of chayula doing damage

so much better holy

THIS IS IT

[static cipher]

chalupa monk

x-x

[honest hawk]

final iteration

[signal zinc]

and also streamers jobs is to play the game, so yhea if your job is to be good at a game you are kinda forced to spend hours optimizing reading and undestanding the game to the point they leave us people with non gaming jobs in the dust, eventually but not on league start

[static cipher]

day 1-2 they'll be floundering in their mad dash panic lol

[proven quest]

I agree, and normal players will be floundering week 1-2 lmao

[static cipher]

Yea prob

lol

some will get lucky and it'll click though

[short rover]

Just the knowledge of what to do when they feel like they are starting to hit a wall in survivability/damage alone is gone to be a huge gap between brand new players and experienced ones. Yeah there are things experienced players have to learn too but the years of training on how to learn in PoE absolutely matter lol

[honest hawk]

gg bros see ya in maps

build is done

[signal zinc]

zizaran is planing to play for like 24 hours on launch alternating the character with his wife, i dont have a wife to do that for me

[proven quest]

Hate to be that guy, but added chaos is an attack gem

[honest hawk]

your fucking my ass

[static cipher]

my wife plays weird phone games 😐

[distant dome]

Balancing defenses is where I think I’m going to flounder, the most. That’s for sure.

[proven quest]

Well if you say so…😉

[static cipher]

🫃

[thorny path]

Just delete your entire cast on melee kill setup and the build might be playable

[short rover]

I mean I know my limits and weaknesses, which is my builds never die but heal the bosses 😔

[true gulch]

would cast on ignite + spark work well

[honest hawk]

hehe what spirit buff replaces it

[proven quest]

Very Quinn-like

[static cipher]

I dont think defense is hard to come by if you path well

[native widget]

Ummm

Prob not

[static cipher]

I have way too much on my template

[thorny path]

Don't bother replacing it, it's 3x better just not having that mess

[honest hawk]

oh so you just don't understand it ok

[short rover]

no way that guy prints RIP clips

[thorny path]

I don't even wanna know the reasoning

[honest hawk]

https://tenor.com/view/dented-pepe-dentge-meme-hit-gif-15873918808390144538

[signal zinc]

whats weird for you ?

[static cipher]

You know man, doing weird gem puzzles to unlock a new sheep for your farm type stuff

Energy system

etc

[signal zinc]

who the fuck needs defenses just kill everything before they can touch you

[static cipher]

Home renovater? was one of them?
Old bald dude with a moustache

[short rover]

ranger main spotted

[signal zinc]

its not that bad then

[static cipher]

Idk man, I just want to play games w/ her so its bad for me

She wouldnt even try Brighter Shores

😐

[signal zinc]

lmfao

[signal zinc]

i dont think a game as grindy as bs is a good game for her to start

[static cipher]

Its grindy, but bro she's like level 4030 on some of these games

like leaderboard shit

fishing 15,000 fish isnt that bad

comparatively

is what im saying

[signal zinc]

yes but those games work the same as heroin on your brain, they mess so bad with your dopamine that you end up needing them to feel normal

[static cipher]

:/

she just needs to play poe1, it'd be like rehabilitation

what ascendancy are you guys doing and why

o_ o

[hoary plover]

deadeye because i'm lame

[short rover]

Changes every hour for me I have choice paralysis

[static cipher]

deadeye looks ok

xD

you after a specific node for it or sommin?

[hoary plover]

yeah its fine its just like. all these shiny new things and im picking the one thats copy/paste from poe1

[thorny path]

Stormweaver archmage

[prime raft]

guys how does if you have RT can you sunder totem crit ?

[thorny path]

No RT wins out

[signal zinc]

withc because goth momys and infernalist because fire is preatty

[hoary plover]

+1 proj and frenzy abuse if i can figure out generation

[prime raft]

but doesnt the totem use his own weapon

[frail jay]

TBH builds that do really well as leaguestarters and racing builds tend to not be unique reliant and just work off of mechanics and the passive tree which we have a lot of

[prime raft]

hes separate to me

[static cipher]

big fan of frenzy, just sad what they did to it

[near acorn]

Poe 1 wiki page for totems and similar things that use your skills https://www.poewiki.net/wiki/Proxy

[static cipher]

I mean, I get it? But a lot of really cool unique builds are heavily enabled by uniques

[prime raft]

but in poe2 totem has his own weapon not based on mine

[near acorn]

I believe it works the same in poe 2, but TBD 🙂

[honest hawk]

why do trigger gems say you need to cast the skill again for it to trigger once full energy, how is that not different from just self casting at that point 😭

[frail jay]

Yeah I hope so

[signal zinc]

thats why they are called uniques, not because of the stats but because of the unique interactions

[hoary plover]

remember vaal burning arrow shotguns? im trying to do that again but with barrage for 20+ explosions per click

[frail jay]

We haven't seen many build enabling uniques I think, definitely a lot of strong ones though

[prime raft]

does that mean any + dmg % nodes on passive tree affect my totem as well in poe2 ?

[frail jay]

The invocation skills you manually use them

[static cipher]

But some of those interactions can complete a chain of interactions between skills or passives that otherwise would be incomplete

[frail jay]

The other ones trigger automatically

[honest hawk]

manual use trigger monkaGIGA

[frail jay]

?

[static cipher]

Unfortunately I missed the big vaal train. I'm more an older player. Played like 1000 hrs first 4 yrs, and then once for like 130 hrs "recently"

[near acorn]

Could be different 😁 might have to test it on launch? My bet is it's the same, but I'm just some guy

[frail jay]

I mean my current build plan is to use 3x elemental invocation

[abstract meadow]

yeh everything is up in the air until uniques / itemization is seen. starting titan loot goblin just to be tanky and fill up stash to figure out what to build next

[proven quest]

Yo @frail jay I was just thinking about that unleash stuff again because the build looked pretty cool. So far I’ve been wrong about unleash, but with limit 2 on storm, wouldn’t the two remaining casts be the 50% less damage ones?

[native widget]

it would be so funny if you can increase limit in energy of EI

[near acorn]

Assuming it works the same, yeah, your increased damage works for your proxies

[signal zinc]

yes exactly my point, but the issue is you cant be sure you will have those uniques, the only way to be sure of that is if you already have the currency to purchace them, even shitty cheap uniques can be a pain in the ass to get in SSF, thats why any good SSF build will have no uniques

[abstract meadow]

saw somewhere that totems aren't based on your stats in 2, function more like minions

[static cipher]

ye, my entire plan is make slam face against wall toon and earn as many as I can, prob wont map with that toon until a new template is made to revolve around a unique lol

[near acorn]

If you get up to 500 energy you'll be pressing the button twice to cast ~5 seconds cast time worth of spells

[frail jay]

that's true, I'm not sure how that interacts with elemental discharge though because unleash isn't supporting the triggered discharges, it can only support spells you cast yourself

[near acorn]

Not a terrible rate

[frail jay]

Will have to test

[signal zinc]

i dont have a plan im just gona grab anything that adds DAMAGE

[frail jay]

Also not even sure that's good I just liked the look of elemental discharge because I had ailments, honestly I'm guessing it's probably better to use a duration skill for energy generation

[static cipher]

bro look at my template I grabbed all the dmg I could xD

[signal zinc]

eggselent

[honest hawk]

ohhh is the thing im missing and really not shown in the gem text is that each spell trigger only costs 100 energy?

[static cipher]

Look at some of those numbers though, it's Genericbonkdaddy and its disgusting

lol

[signal zinc]

im too blind to read those small ass numbers

[static cipher]

😢

[frail jay]

The spell trigger is based on the base cast time of the spell. Level 20 elemental invocation can cast 0.15sec of cast time per 10 energy so at 500 energy it will cast 7.5 seconds of base cast time, so 7 copies of a 1s cast time spoell

[static cipher]

its a 4k image xD

[native widget]

yes

Not sure what quality does

[honest hawk]

it makes sense looking at ele invocation. barrier doesn't say anything about that kind of stuff

[native widget]

I hope its increase energy limit tho

[near acorn]

Hmm, barrier invocation doesnt have all the same text that elemental invocation does. I just assumed they will work the same

[honest hawk]

i was so confused holy

[frail jay]

Probably because it's a really old tooltip?

[honest hawk]

https://tenor.com/view/noway-gif-254273188714127328

[main jetty]

Am i missing something, or is Pyromantic Pact (Infernalist) is a complete dud node? Like sure, it changes how mana works, but it doesnt make your character better in any way? No dmg, no defense, not even 20 extra inventory slots or other utility. Why would anyone take that node? Is it there just to delay getting nodes locked behind it?

[near acorn]

Barrier invocation is clearly missing st least some text because it doesnt tell you what your energy does lol

[honest hawk]

thanks Gog

[velvet blade]

It allows you to spam abilities without worrying about mana

[frail jay]

Notably the fact that it's base cast time also means triggering Comet is really good because Comet is balanced around adding 1s to your final cast time (so 100% cast speed goes to 0.5s then it goes to 1.5s if you actually cast it). It also means that using supports with a downside of less cast speed like spell echo is really good because that won't affect it at all.

[main jetty]

except it doesnt, since it hurts you if you overuse it. I mean sure, with capped fire res it wont hurt that much but still...

[velvet blade]

Yeah, you're trading mana upkeep for fire damage mitigation

[static cipher]

is res mostly gained from things other than the skill forest now? I didnt see any???? when I was making templates