2┃build-planning

[sharp glade]

freeze probably more defensive, shock offensive

[silent prawn]

would it be crazy? No
Optimal? perhaps.

with the 50% more from small nodes it is totally versatile

[livid hamlet]

How does dual wielding work with slams ? Do you slam with both weapons at the same time ?

[cerulean bear]

I'm a chill fan cause I liked warden freeze, but shock might be better

[muted charm]

they're a bit too heavy investment now imo

but if shock and freeze can compete

that's fine

stun sure as fuck can

[outer marlin]

Yeah, I am trying to do a storm weaver and I think less people will go freeze so I might do that just to save currency lol

[maiden karma]

Depends on the slam's description

[sharp glade]

iirc skills use dual wield only if they explicitly say they do

[livid hamlet]

Because if so, oh boy dual wielding 2h mace gemling liegionare hammer of gods bleed

sounds like it can just one shot bosses

[cerulean bear]

if you're going stormweaver the only cheap thing you can do is not go archmage

[muted charm]

I suppose all ignite needs is an easy prolif tool.

[cerulean bear]

from what most people seem to be talking about

[outer marlin]

What's archmage?

[muted charm]

Which they seem to like giving ignite more than poison

[sharp glade]

sceptres are going to be such a pain to craft

[muted charm]

so theres a chance its real good sitll.

[cerulean bear]

damage scaling off of mana

[outer marlin]

Ohh didn't even know that was a thing

[cerulean bear]

Idk there are 2 easy sources of poison prolif

granted they're only single prolif

[livid hamlet]

I thought poison is only one stack now

as base

[cerulean bear]

yeah base

[muted charm]

single prolif really doesn't matter

your likely getting prolifed from multiple soruces

[cerulean bear]

if you go big hit poison its not bad

but then again you could just do that with ignite too

[maiden karma]

So does poison use the new ailment system or is it still flat % chance

[cerulean bear]

new system

i think all ailments do

[muted charm]

poison and bleed are flat

[maiden karma]

I may have come up with something fucked up related to poison and warbringer

[muted charm]

ignite is new system

ele uses new system

bleed/poison use chance

[pliant pollen]

Hi there, i have a quick question fot chatula monk. Does leech only works on physical damage? Or why people talking about its good if a skill only converts xy% so we have phys to leech?

[maiden karma]

Are they at least guaranteed on crit?

[muted charm]

no

[maiden karma]

We haven't seen much leech sources besides physical attacks

[muted charm]

its really important to remember

poison is in addition to hti now

[pliant pollen]

Oof

[muted charm]

not seperate from hit scaling

[cerulean bear]

bloodmage and 2 gems is pretty much it right?

[sharp glade]

we havent seen much

of the game

just wait

[cerulean bear]

obviously

[muted charm]

so a phys poison deadeye can just use a poison arrow with inevitable critical and corrossion, and 100% shred bsoses armor consistantly while still getting a strong singular poison because support gems

[sharp glade]

uniques/affixes/tree etc

[cerulean bear]

I'm talking about what we've seen so far

[muted charm]

ITS CRAZY how in depth ailments are

[sharp glade]

i dont liek the new system tbh

it means dot builds have to build as hit builds

but it doesnt matter

[livid hamlet]

maybe it still happens of base damage ? Or is it confirmed that attack increases and whatnot will work

[cerulean bear]

having low stack counts means they don't poison at least doesn't have to focus on attack speed

[sharp glade]

its based of final pre-mitigation dmg

[cerulean bear]

this promotes slower play like slams

[fleet blaze]

isn't invoker more slayer like than both warbringer and titan?

[cerulean bear]

sunder poison could be interesting

[muted charm]

theres a big difference between a dot build and a hit build

[cerulean bear]

its more warden

[livid hamlet]

It honestly sounds like hammer of gods will be king with some other skill for clear

[muted charm]

dot builds pretty consistantly don't like attack speed now

and heavily prefer high crit chance

[hidden tartan]

Do you think you could put Mark,Sigil of power and Mana tempest in elemental invocation, and then put more duraiton support . And when you come to boss you press it and all 3 will pop with increased durartion?

[muted charm]

which makes sense

your trying to aim for the enemies weak point

[sharp glade]

dont ping me

i dont know you

[cerulean bear]

also crit chance isn't need because you only need 1 hit to crit and then prolif that dot

[muted charm]

also uhhhhh

just wait tilll you see ailment effect qanities on weapons before you judge "They're jsut hit builds."

[hidden tartan]

.

[livid hamlet]

@hidden tartan

[cerulean bear]

theres a support that gives less hit damage and more dot damage too

[cerulean bear]

[livid hamlet]

For poison i will just wait for Deathbeam to come up with a build

[proper pagoda]

Does anyone know how pen is calculated with exposure.

E.g.: mob has 50 fire res. I have 50 fire pen and 25 fire exposure.

Does the mob effectively have -25 res, or does the exposure apply first and pen can't go negative so effective res is 0?

[cerulean bear]

exposure is a debuff first

and then you pen the now debuffed enemy bringing you to 0

[livid hamlet]

You cant penetrate into the negatives ?

[cerulean bear]

not anymore

pen stops at 0

other debuffs can go negative

[terse pendant]

I'm curious. If I am planning to go a minion-focused build. What stats should I focus for my generic stat nodes?

[cerulean bear]

you mean int-str-dex?

[terse pendant]

Yes.

[cerulean bear]

either str or int, depending on life or es/mana

but most minion skills will have int requirements so that should be more important

[proper pagoda]

Wow that kind of omega nerfs exposure then...

[terse pendant]

Alright. So just focus INT primarily? Is it good to hyper focus on INT, or should some still go into STR?

[cerulean bear]

higher cost for higher reward imo

[muted charm]

@cerulean bear we've also seen skils which a large portion of their power budget is in the ailment.

[cerulean bear]

could be more/better sources of res reduction

[muted charm]

points at ball lightning

that one

[proper pagoda]

Well actually it prob nerfs pen more I guess. Assuming you can get exposure really juiced

[muted charm]

that one in particular

[cerulean bear]

I don't think its a nerf, but rather a concious choice

[proper pagoda]

Like if ur exposure is reducing res to 0 or below then pen is a dead stat no?

[cerulean bear]

correct and vice versa

so you just pick one and stick with it

[muted charm]

ball lightning doesn't seem ailment pilled "Cause it hits like 8 times anyways" but thats exactly why its ailment pilled

it already meets teh conditions from benifiting from shock. While sitll applying full power shocks

[livid hamlet]

We don't know how bosses late game deal with resistance tamperation
It's possible that they will severly limit either exposure and or penetration amounts

[cerulean bear]

It sounds like it'll be more utility focused that way

[proper pagoda]

Shock chance is based on hit damage though?

[raw flower]

Savage xD

[cerulean bear]

forgot to at him in that post

[muted charm]

yeah i'm pretty sure it was aimed aorund being the "build around me spell./" for sorc which is cool.

[cerulean bear]

still a bigger fan of arc for lightning skills though

[muted charm]

I like both

both are iconic

[cerulean bear]

Arc-lightning
Eye of winter-Cold
Fireball-Fire

[raw flower]

Yes it should work 😉

[muted charm]

their spark and call lightning reworks look good too

that's something i really like about poe2 ele skills so far they all hit in unique ways

that attacks don't really do

[hidden tartan]

Ye I think so too would be really good to press 1 button to pop all your bursts and just melt bosses if the case, and supporting all 3 with increased duration is really nice

[cerulean bear]

Yeah, all of these I'd run with archmage with arc having the most synergy, but mana tempest gives an extra boost to the others if you run lifetap

[muted charm]

i actually ummm

like the basic ice shotgun more

😦

i'm basic

but the form projectile than fire at mach 5

reminds me of ice spear

[vernal ermine]

Isn't this the same as just 50% more damage with ignite from hits?

[hidden tartan]

no

in Poe 2 they changed ailments

It scales from hit, unlike in poe 1

[fathom folio]

thats what he means

[hidden tartan]

ohhh sry

[fathom folio]

you take 25% of the hit damage and put 75% in the effect

75 - 25 = 50

dunno if it maths out like that though

[livid hamlet]

IIt's more and less right ??

[cerulean bear]

its 31%more ignite damage

[livid hamlet]

so it's 0.75 * 1.75 = 1.3125

[cerulean bear]

1 * .75 * 1.75

[hidden tartan]

basically if you hit for 100, you now hit for 75 and then you have 75% more effect on that 75, which is 131.25

[fathom folio]

ye

[hidden tartan]

so basically it does 31.25 more dmg

[vernal ermine]

Ag yeah

[raw flower]

Just keep in mind it'll cost like 70 spirit, that's quite hard to justify!

[fathom folio]

Did anyone come up with something interesting using pyromaniac pact and the follow up nodes?

It seems kinda lackluster

pay 4 ascendancy points for fixing your mana + conditional 20% more damage

[hidden tartan]

Isnt it 60 ?

*120% multiplier so 72. I assume

ye

[cerulean bear]

archmage ignite flameblast

[hidden tartan]

Btw, what conclusion did we reach for spirit max 180 (assumed on acts) and rest that we know is scepters and amulet 15?

[fathom folio]

would archmage work with pyromaniac pact?

I assumed it wouldn't

[narrow ermine]

I seem to remember somewhere that we got x ascendency points. How many +was it?

[cerulean bear]

bringer of flame enables it

[alpine vigil]

8, 4 notables @narrow ermine

[livid hamlet]

8

[narrow ermine]

ty

[hidden tartan]

Btw do we even know how Multipliers work on meta gems? for example we said we use sigil of power/mana tempest/mark, but does multiplier affect spirit cost of meta gem or mana of gems that get proced? Elemental invocation doesn't even have the duraiton tag so maybe spirit wouldn't increase?

[cerulean bear]

I just think pyromantic pact is a wasted point only if you aren't having mana issues

[muted charm]

no wording is important here.

Ailment effect is based.

[raw flower]

That's a good question. I don't have the answer 😄

[hidden tartan]

ye lot of unknows still

[fathom folio]

no but I mean, your mana is gone. How do you scale archmage with no mana

unless it actually counts as mana for archmage

which I thought it wouldnt

[cerulean bear]

I'm not sure, could be an oversight on my part

but maximum mana from being "replaced" could exchange the effects

making you go up in flame really quickly

similar to how lifetap and archmage would interact

[near acorn]

Reservation multipliers increase spirit, cost modifiers don't

[hidden tartan]

Support gems have no "Cost & Reservation Multiplier", only "Cost Multiplier" isnt this written on db?

guess it's outdated coz some supports seem to have cost/ some reservation

[hidden tartan]

But only 2 supports I see having Reservation Multipliers are Heightened Curse and Herbalism

[vagrant gorge]

Anyone recall if cooldown reduction applies to any added cooldown like hourglass support (8 seconds)? E.g. if I use a skill with 3 sec cooldown and have enough cdr that it would drop it to 1.5s, would I only add 4s with hour glass support or is its added time not effected

[narrow ermine]

What are the weapon set skill points that the witchhunter notable is talking about?
Is it the number of passive points that can be allocated for each set of weapons you have?

For example, 80 passive tree points + 20 points per weapon means that both weapons have the same 80 base points, but have 20 additional points that you can allocate on a per weapon basis?
Thus, when you get +20 of those points the split become 60 + 40?

[near acorn]

Had to go digging for a source

From this discord. Ofc that dude might be wrong

[hidden tartan]

Yes but how would Clarity work then, it has no reservation and no cost and it says it supports permanent buffs? if it doesn't increase spirit cost what does it multiply?

[thick thunder]

thats a good point

[vagrant gorge]

Correct. You get 20 more passive points to spend and it’s worded that way because each weap has its own skill tree build

[prisma summit]

Do Titan slam skill aftershocks count as “hits” for crushing blows

[near acorn]

I'd guess the text of the gem will be different. It'd be odd for them to have removed reservation multipliers going from poe 1 to poe 2, but thats also possible

[high meadow]

Do we know anything about armor break going below zero? I’m so torn between warbringer and titan

[hidden tartan]

Yea, I assume those Clarity like things will be Reservation multipliers

And normal skill support gems just mana cost multipliers

[narrow ermine]

Wait, if you get 20 MORE points, then it would be different.
THen I would go from 80+20 to 80+40.
That is extremely powerful! It has to be that 20 static points gets converted to 20 weapon points, maintaining the total.

[olive tide]

titan node giving small passive skills 50% increased effect is nuts. especially if it works for the attribute nodes.

[thick thunder]

how much spirit are we getting from the campaign?

[silent prawn]

30 per act

[narrow ermine]

Yes, you can do that with the warbringer ascendency.

[narrow ermine]

Sorry, this.

[silent prawn]

well would have to verify what is designated as Small node

[vagrant gorge]

It’s +20 for skills assigned on weap 1 AND 20 for skill 2. you can have different skill allocation for each weap you use. E.g. if melee MH and ranged on swap, one could pick melee precision while the other ranged precision skill modes

[high meadow]

I meant how the mechanic works, I know warbringer can do it. Just wondering how good it is 😊

[narrow ermine]

You have to pay TWO ascnedency nodes for that though. You have to path through 20 extra inventory slots or whatever it was.

[olive tide]

man the way its worded that node is gonna be insane, take it to the bank

[silent prawn]

well it is that powerful, or can be

[alpine vigil]

still 100% worth it tbh

[proven quest]

Bro, lead me through grace and protect me from harm looking really strong...

[sterile sparrow]

It could be that gems with only a cost multiplier works as both, but a few gems have them separated

[viscid escarp]

Does a passive node that says "10% increased amount of life leeched" just give life leech or do you need a source of life leech to benefit from those nodes?

[alpine vigil]

you need a source

[sterile sparrow]

Need a source of leech

[olive tide]

protect me from harm is gross

[thick thunder]

did i hear right that monsters can avoid spells now so casters need to worry about acc?

[viscid escarp]

Thanks guys

[alpine vigil]

that would be absurd, there's no accuracy anywhere near the spell nodes

I assume the spell dodge/block change is just for the player

[narrow ermine]

It can be really powerful if it works anything like PoE1 armour, just in reverse. However, it will probably require quite a lot of investment to really pay off, but we have to see how armour actually works before we can say.

[hoary bolt]

spells dont need accuracy

[short rover]

this is the only one and it would become a must pick in every caster build lol

[hoary bolt]

hits not being differentiated is only for damage to the players

[vagrant gorge]

Is added cooldown like from Hourglass support affected by cooldown reduction or is the flat 8s cd it adds unaffected?

[proven quest]

With all the ES scaling, and being able to double dip ES and Evasion with the notables, it's going to be insane imo

[hoary bolt]

it adds a cd bound to the skill, so it should be affected by cdr

[olive tide]

imo if infernalists hound can survive.. and you can build around CI, witch's will have 40% PDR with the #1 node. sounds good to me, assuming dog isnt dying left and right

[sharp glade]

ok but then you are giving up the reservation nodes

[midnight bolt]

u dont need accuracy with spells lol

[sharp glade]

with minion life investment the hound should have no issue surviving tbh

[short rover]

infernalist is weird because if everything works how i assume it does its very limited. No archmage/anything mana related with Pyro Pact, no CI with demonform, one of the ascendancies literally doesnt work with another ascendancy etc

seems odd

[olive tide]

dont ping me, idk you

[ancient geyser]

meow

[olive tide]

he said that earlier to someone XD

[clever belfry]

So thinking about Monk for starter class. However pretty unsure about asendancy. I’m a bit of a newbie in PoE1 so looking for something pretty straight forward. Would you recommend Invoker or Chayula based on that?

[hoary bolt]

invoker is more straightforward

[clever belfry]

Thanks!

[hoary bolt]

there are stil a lot of ways to build around invoker's passives

but acolyte of chayula is at face value a little more weird

[proven quest]

Do we know anything about the small nodes on the ascendencies yet?

[olive tide]

chayula will be strong if ur wanting to pick up the easter eggs

[hoary bolt]

OSU simulator

[ancient geyser]

some of the leaks included them, but not all classes had them

wait for release ig

at least now we know what we're gonna be building

[clever belfry]

Could you explain the “Easter eggs”? 🙃

[olive tide]

breach spell will spawn little flames u have to run around and pick up

[alpine vigil]

acolyte spawns "flames" on the ground every 1.33s that you can pick up for life/mana(+es)/chaos damage

[olive tide]

***IF ***u can get phasing it might be nuts actually, but idk

[alpine vigil]

have we seen phasing?

[hoary bolt]

i havent seen phasing anywhere

[olive tide]

nah just speculating

[narrow ermine]

My second character is gonna be a Chayula monk, just because of the Into the Breach spell.

[alpine vigil]

It looks dumb in terms of damage but defensive layers suck

[frigid hill]

i was wrong about the into the breach spell, it looks pretty good

[alpine vigil]

it was one of the only 2 way the ascendancy was usable imo, either make that one good or darkness good

[clever belfry]

But Invoker still looks pretty solid right? Seems to be quite okay to build around.

[livid hamlet]

Pickup and spawn radius will play an important part of this
Also is into the breach 100% uptime ?

[alpine vigil]

darkness is still blergh but at least breach is good

[alpine vigil]

think so yeah, it has the persistent buff tags and there's no cd/cast time

[frigid hill]

it looks like they refresh if u pick em up, so u can get 100% uptime on 140% chaos as extra

[livid hamlet]

Darkness is pretty decent if you can reliably dodge and evade damage

[alpine vigil]

do they?

[livid hamlet]

It's basically 600 additional life in that case

[alpine vigil]

it's still just 600 hp

[frigid hill]

Ben_ slowed down the footage we've seen, rly looks like they refresh

[alpine vigil]

unless lv 80+ hp is 2000 it's pretty mediocre

[proven quest]

ya I was just hoping we'd see some mana leech node somewhere so I can feel really confident about Chayula instant leech. But invoker is looking real juicy after the full preview

[frigid hill]

but EA footage yada yada

[alpine vigil]

crazy

[fleet blaze]

what's an ice/frost attack a monk can use that doesn't require quarterstaff?

[distant dome]

I've heard you get 8 points to spend on Ascendencies...? This means the Blood Mage effectively has only 6 points, as the first two points have to be spent on Sanguimancny?

No other Ascendancy wastes 2 points like this.

[alpine vigil]

bow attacks

[olive tide]

ice shot

[ancient geyser]

it's not a waste at all

[livid hamlet]

except sanguimancy sounds stacked as hell, and the other nodes also sounds very strong

[distant dome]

It's a waste of 2 potential decisions

that's all

[livid hamlet]

It's a flavour choice, you gotta be a blood mage if you get the blood mage ascendancy

[proven quest]

I agree. Darkness with MoM and EB is just +600 HP and doesn't start reserving until you're at 0 mana

[ancient geyser]

https://youtu.be/8dH8WE6zIhg?si=thl1yONostpA5PU7&t=1760 this guy covers up how busted bloodmage's first node can be pretty well, included the timestamp in the link

[midnight bolt]

its not a waste, you can activate 1st node on crit too not just from corpses so its very good

[fleet blaze]

says ranger and uses a bow.

[distant dome]

I'm not even saying it's bad btw!

Just saying the descions you make from there are more limited

[ancient geyser]

but yes, it's the only ascendancy that forces you to go through a node

[distant dome]

it's fine

[olive tide]

can be used by any class.. and u asked for a frost attack that doesnt require quarterstaff XD

[alpine vigil]

600hp and 30% chaos damage at the cost of no spirit looks pretty tough to me

We don't know if EB will convert to mana too

[fleet blaze]

why does it say ranger then? just curious i dunno how to make a build

[hoary bolt]

thats just the skill gem category

[alpine vigil]

no skill is tied to classes except ascendancy specific stuff

[olive tide]

its apart of the ranger class skill gems but you can get them on any character

[livid hamlet]

Honestly shaper of Winter sounds pretty great

[silent prawn]

just so you can find it easier

[proven quest]

We'll have to see how much damage spirit can actually give us. I think you're basically trading spirit QOL for damage since most skills that reserve spirit are more supportive

[distant dome]

thanks for the link btw :)

[proven quest]

Also, don't sleep on 30% more damage haha

[alpine vigil]

I'd rather just get the ~19.25% chaos damage that's always up and doesn't look you into darkness

[livid hamlet]

What's your opinion on the Extra Damage in PoE2 ? it looks like there's not " gain % of X as Y" but just Gain % Extra Damage as Y , which sounds like they abandon the whole conversion chain and just make all the gains additive

[olive tide]

does chayula monk look good for poisons? extra chaos damage to hits will scale well with how poison works now

[modern tangle]

Your spirit is likely worth more damage and defenses than you get for the ascendancy points...

[frigid hill]

im not a fan of the new damaging ailments mechanics tbh

[livid hamlet]

Yeah the spirit change worries me as well
Like overall it's not that bad of a setup, it just feels weaker compared to rest

Unless Monks are just supposed to be turbo squishy

[alpine vigil]

not invoker that's for sure

[frigid hill]

i like MoM + instant mana leech for Chonk

[alpine vigil]

I doubt breach alone will be reliable ES recovery

you give up recharge

oh mom can't read

no, mom not EB

I really can't read

[proven quest]

I don't think GGG would make a node that ends up being worse than not having the node. So I do think it'll be worth more. I have a feeling people are over estimating the value of spirit gems

[alpine vigil]

it still doesn't bring much at all

[frigid hill]

the current numbers for darkness dont make sense to me,
splaff suggested we can scale it with Global Defence, at least then it'd make some sense

[short rover]

Pyromantic Pact would like a word lol

[olive tide]

what are the implications of "being considered in a breach"

[proven quest]

I mean, 30% more damage is something

[frigid hill]

i dont think we know yet

[alpine vigil]

this is 19.25% and doesn't lock you out of spirit

and only 2 points, not 4

[livid hamlet]

Breach rings get bonuses

[thorny path]

Breach rings don't do that anymore

[livid hamlet]

i think they mentioned that they want to bring back breach rings in a decent state right ?

[modern tangle]

I actually like the idea of trading way spirit. The node can be saved. The numbers are just a bit sus right now. Still debating if I want to try it just to give better feedback. But if I go invoker then I likely won't level another monk soon.

[frigid hill]

do they? aren't they changed in poe2?

[livid hamlet]

Oh i thought this part remained

My bad o7

[frigid hill]

iirc their quality goes to 50 or something, so can get wild resists/life

[proven quest]

What? Pyromantic Pact is insane lol

[proven quest]

So that means GGG thinks that spirit is worth 10% more damage, give or take

We'll see if they're right

[alpine vigil]

Is that damage even multiplicative with breach

if not that's straight up garbage

[proven quest]

Ya, and evoker is looking so good right now with the new nodes revealed

[short rover]

I think Pyro Pact is a trap

[alpine vigil]

you go from 240% to 270%

[frigid hill]

240? isnt it 140?

[distant dome]

What ways do have to apply critical weakness and what exactly does it do? I think the video I just watched said it was 0.5% base crit per stack? (base gets multiplied by increased crit chance)

[alpine vigil]

with base

[frigid hill]

huh

oh i see

[livid hamlet]

Wait, don't you get stunned when your stamina runs out when blocking ? Because that Turtle Charm node seems like an easy way to kill yourself , unless you block passively without loss of stamina

[modern tangle]

Well I'm super bummed that they didn't cater more to wind/phys after introducing it as one of 3 monk elements in the EA reveal. Elemental Expression could've supported in addition, or instead of Fire.

[distant dome]

I saw this, but it has no spirit reservation costs so I'm guess it's eithr incomplete data, or a ascendancy mechanic, not a skill gem

[alpine vigil]

Is that true for passive blocking?

[thorny path]

It's for passive blocking, no stun bar for that

[frigid hill]

i thought that was with active blocking yea

[alpine vigil]

it's a sceptre skill as far as we know

[livid hamlet]

yeah that's my question.
And if it's not , then block might actually be pretty good defensive layer

[distant dome]

Thanks <3

[frigid hill]

ya warbringer block looks solid

[distant dome]

any other forms of critical weakness we've seen?

[frigid hill]

Eye of Winter

[thorny path]

eye of winter on hit

don't base your build on it

It's a nice little bonus and that's it

[icy turtle]

so for the life remnants skill (blood mage) do I get persistent buffs from support gems while it is on the ground?

[formal meadow]

Demon Form seems like the specific non minion infernalist right?

[distant dome]

I'm looking to make a high-crit bonestorm blood mage build, so anything I can tack on helps

[livid hamlet]

Honestly Blood Witch sounds great even for ranged attack and even melee builds

Crit, leech, tankiness

Cute af

[distant dome]

Melee Blood Mage Witch is going to be silly and good

[thin basin]

Crit ignite, its time!

[livid hamlet]

Hell Blood Mage Crossbow witch might be pretty great

[icy turtle]

like would cannibalism proc while it is just laying there? or would I have to pick it up and get overflow for the persistent buff?

[proven quest]

Is sounds multiplicative. Breach is as chaos damage, and then grasp is damage as extra chaos. So it would be a max of 70% of damage as chaos (70% more damage), and then 30% of damage as extra chaos

[distant dome]

Sure!

[olive tide]

is it just me or is poison SRS not a thing anymore?

[proven quest]

What do you mean in addition or instead of?

[woven sinew]

It’s too soon to tell

Imo

I hope it exists though I loved my poison srs

[fleet blaze]

I WANNA GO SLAYER FROSTIE BOI IM THINKING INVOKER BUT I DONT WANNA USE QUARTERSTAFF REEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE

[alpine vigil]

I'm going bow invoker if that gives you hope

classes aren't tied to weapons

[fleet blaze]

BOWKER? HARDLY KNEW'ER

[left grail]

based on available notes there's just a few instance on stuff seen so far where "as extra" is missing

so they'd be additive more likely than not, being the same type of modifier

reference:

[fleet blaze]

is everyone starting HC since it's standard and you just move to softcore when you die? RIGHT?

[olive tide]

chayula monk really makes me want to do poison flicker strike

[livid hamlet]

Yeah i'm leaning that way, especially with Extra Damage being capitalized it makes it sounds like it's a whole new separate thing, probably additive at the end of calculations

[frigid hill]

b-but my stash

[alpine vigil]

the only way to use chonk imo

[proven quest]

@left grail good to know

[fleet blaze]

make a new char grab stash-> die

[frigid hill]

ok im convinced

[fleet blaze]

HELL YEA BRUHTHER

[proven quest]

Also demon form confirmed life lost, so no demon form CI 😦

[livid hamlet]

Is anyone really not sold on the Meditate ascendancy point ? I guess it depends on the speed, but most bosses seemed to be actually pretty dynamic in their attacks

[alpine vigil]

there's too much good stuff to take it imo

[livid hamlet]

I feel like the Mana -> Hellfire is way cooler than Demon Form

[alpine vigil]

can we respec in maps?

[distant dome]

Too late D:

[ancient geyser]

and no demon form MoM either

[alpine vigil]

if so, meditate at the beginning, then respec it for something just to get an initial x2 ES

[livid hamlet]

especially since you can just get miniscule amounts of mana, decent fire resistance and then you can totally ignore mana as a resource

[frigid hill]

hell yea lets go

[livid hamlet]

Which i feel like can be quite stronk

[proven quest]

Yup, I had guessed that they would word it has losing life rather than taking damage 😦

[fleet blaze]

I have no idea how to build the Invoker tree. If I wanna go melee leech frosty boi I feel like I path down south toward leech nodes.

[olive tide]

meditate, cast on channeling with ice nova to keep things slowed/frozen maybe.. seems like a lot of work tho

[proven quest]

Have we seen an actual "leech x% as mana" node yet?

[fleet blaze]

no but there has to be mana leech on attack right? RIGHT

[thorny path]

there's no leech on the tree only on gear

tree has "increased amount leeched"

[livid hamlet]

So are we limited to one instance of support gem per character , or does this mean that we can put two of the same support gem in some skills ?

[frigid hill]

"different skills"

[muted charm]

I really want to know the viability of ignite minions.

like does ignite effect effect your minions

[thorny path]

can use a support gem only once across all your skills by default

[olive tide]

will frostwall+fortress+conc effect make a small ring of ice around you?

[livid hamlet]

Damn

[alpine vigil]

around cursor no?

[livid hamlet]

With how much supports we are supposed to have , i don't like this
The builds will be way to complicated that way

[olive tide]

hmm

[alpine vigil]

with 9 6-links that had to change

[frigid hill]

yea im a bit worried the support gem mechanics will kinda gravitate a lot of links to look the same across builds

[icy turtle]

would you rather see everyone using the same 5 gems on most skills

[fleet blaze]

people keep saying poe2 builds will be way more user friendly for newbs but i believe the opposite. it may be easier to respec and swap stuff around but making them yourself? nah

[alpine vigil]

as if that was different for poe1 :^)

[frigid hill]

hmm imo it was but maybe im naive

[livid hamlet]

You could incentivize people to use different supports rather through game mechanics rather than have people look for 45 supports to use

[alpine vigil]

this is across all poe ninja builds

[thorny path]

they tried that, it sucked, they switched to this, it's way better

easier said than done

[frigid hill]

i mean poeninja late in a league tends to show a lot of similar builds, im not sure if that is a good point

[viscid escarp]

what ascendancy is this from?

[icy turtle]

there will always be a meta if this limit didn't exist

[thorny path]

Gemling Legionnaire, mercenary

[livid hamlet]

That's pretty mid argument tho, seeing as top supports here of these are socketed only once or twice at best

[proven quest]

I'm coping for that too lmao

[frigid hill]

anyway im happy to be proven wrong and its early days, they can still pivot

[proven quest]

Damn, could you share where you saw that?

[thorny path]

poe1 has 24 sockets to use, poe 2 has 45 minimum

[livid hamlet]

Honestly i would be down with limiting the amount of links then .
But yeah, we will live and we will see, maybe it works well, but i am worried about having to figure out 50 different gems for every character

[thorny path]

It's just something I noticed, also this https://marcoaaguiar.github.io/poe2-tree/?a=acolyte&p=Q the passive tree nodes we know so far

[fleet egret]

Do we know if Infernalist doggo will require spirit reservation to summon or if it will be "free"?

[thorny path]

free

all skills given from ascendancy/items are free spirit/mana cost

[fleet egret]

ooo nice -- thank you

[livid hamlet]

Honestly , Witch hunter, Invoker and Blood mage all sound like very well universal ascendancies

not really pushing you into any particular build direction

Bloodmage being spell focused just a little bit

[icy turtle]

blood mage looks like it's pushing me into life stacking/crit/bleed

[misty shell]

Invoker really wants you to CoC up your life!

[frigid hill]

sunder bloodmage

[fleet blaze]

WHAT IS COC

[left grail]

Deadeye is also fairly generic for anything projectile related, spells included.

[woven sinew]

Cast on crit

[livid hamlet]

I mean mechanics which you use aside, i mean the playstyle.

You can easily set up bloodmage for spells , ranges weapons or even melee

[snow sierra]

sunder bloodmage was my first thought too after seeing the tree

[livid hamlet]

Of course Invoker pushes you towards elemental damage and whatnot

[icy turtle]

str melee bloodmage is interesting for sure lol

[woven sinew]

I wonder if we’ll be able to do a CoC FR like build in EA

[fleet blaze]

what is FR

[woven sinew]

Forbidden Rite

[long pebble]

Anyone know which of the 6 starting locations the Mercenary starts? I am thinking its the best ascendancy (Gemling Legionnaire) for minons but may lose out simply due to tree location

[thorny path]

str/dex, bottom

[woven sinew]

I think it’s bot bot I have zero idea

[alpine vigil]

bottom

[velvet blade]

Is withered a single effect in POE2 rather than multiple stacks like in poe1?

[ancient geyser]

i doubt forbidden rite exists on EA release, but it'd be cool

[fleet blaze]

https://marcoaaguiar.github.io/poe2-tree/?a=witchhunter&p=Q

[livid hamlet]

We still are forced into a specific direction on the tree right ? Like every class has a specific starting point it can take

[woven sinew]

I apparently have more than 0 idea

[thorny path]

yeah

[woven sinew]

Oh I know but I’m curious how long it’ll take for them to add it

[frigid hill]

oh damn the warbringer warcry build is actually possible

[ancient geyser]

forbidden rite is already a headache to build around in poe1, in poe2 i don't even wanna imagine

[left grail]

thoughts on infernalist / reasoning for gemling specifically? (Genuinely curious, I figured +spirit would be hard to beat.)

[icy turtle]

yes. if you click the link above your comment you can see where the ascendancy nodes branch into each section.

that shows you where the class starts

[livid hamlet]

This thing doesn't force you into a starting direction at least for me ?

Or wait is it this little shiny cross

[icy turtle]

choose an ascendancy

[livid hamlet]

that tells me where the class goes ?

[modern tangle]

• in addition would mean that Elemental Expression could also shoot projectiles of phys damage as 4th option. They don't need to be tied to attributes, could be majority damage type of the skill for instance.
• Instead of fire would mean that the skill would do lightning, cold or "wind" (aka phys) which were the introduced monk elements. Str attribute would be free for phys in this case if we stick to attributes.

[alpine vigil]

look at the "root" of the ascendancy

this is the starting location on the actual tree

[livid hamlet]

Ooooh

Bruh

[alpine vigil]

in game it will be more obvious i'm sure, this is just stitched screenshots lol

[livid hamlet]

Yeah that's fair

[proven quest]

Gotcha, ya that would be interesting. My guess is that there isn't much phys scaling near monk, so you will probably get more damage out of fire than you would out of "wind" (phys)

[livid hamlet]

Well witch pathing into melee will be a pain then, but i guess as expected LOL

[icy turtle]

bloodthirsty is gonna tempt me

[modern tangle]

the attack damage nodes and "with staff" nodes work just fine for phys. Suitable for mixing phys and cold/lightning. And funnily enough there's some generic phys to be had in the sorc/witch starting area

[neon kindle]

does consuming "fully broken armour" also restore the missing armour back to the target? presumably yes?

[prisma summit]

yes

[long pebble]

Minion/witch rant:
I am prefacing the below with the knowledge I have played 0 hours of poe2... these are just concerns when looking at the ascendency options...

So, is it just me, or do the Witch ascendancies not feel like Witch ascendancies? Like bloodmage feels like a phys based sorceress and infernalist feels like a fire based sorceress. Neither adds options to a minion build, except the fire hound which may enable a fire based minion build to a degree, and .

When GGG said they didnt want 1 minion ascendancy I thought that sounded amazing. But these 2 ascendancies seem to force you into hybrid spellcaster/minion builds.

Beidat's Will seems like the only Ascendancy node actually made for a minion based build, and you give up a quarter of your life for it? Every other node would be just as good, or even better, on a spellcaster...

Whats more, with the weapon swapping, a lot of these nodes actively make your minions worse or yourself less tanky.
GGG has said you cannot have 2 scepters. So as a pure minion build you would go with a scepter and a shield. But every node in Bloodmage and many nodes in Infernalist want you to switch to a Wand in order to buff your spellcasting abilities through things like spell damage, spell crit, fire gem levels ETC.
But in order to switch to that wand, you either need to give up your shield, drastically reducing your survivability, or switch out your scepter, which could potentially cause you to lose somewhere between one third and one half of your minions.

Of all the ascendancies, for a 'pure' minion build, the Gemling Legionnaire is by far the best option. ESPECIALLY if Advanced Thaumatergy applies to spirit reservation. In early access they said we would only get 6 ascendancy points. So that would be +10 quality to every minion, +1 level to every minion, and 30% more minions...OR on the other side of the ascendancy, 3 more skill slots for wider variety of minions, double support gem use to better stack damage type for minions, and either +12 max res divided as desired or +10% quality to gems. This Sounds a ton better than, 20% damage taken as fire, Lose 25% of health for 25% more minions, and gain the infernal hound... though the 20% damage taken is taken by the hound is nice...

[sterile latch]

No

[proven quest]

but elemental expression is a spell, so it wouldn't scale from attack damage or the with staff nodes

[candid garnet]

guys is there any slam skill gem that is chaos dmg ? or any passive skill that converts physical to chaos or elemental to chaos ?

[frigid hill]

i aint reading all that but infernalist looks fine as a minion ascendancy to me

[icy turtle]

blood mage has a node that allows elemental damage to contribute to bleed magnitude

[modern tangle]

Yes, I'm still puzzled about that actually. It wasn't in original teaser. Surely the projectiles should be the type of the hit that fires them... If not, then attack by default for quarterstaff spotlight class? Weird.

[snow sierra]

for me it seems bloodmage has anti synergie with minions

[long pebble]

But the allies keyword isnt there so its only your damage not minions... so again its a GOOD ascendancy, but not for minion players

[silent prawn]

PoE1 isn't PoE2

[modern tangle]

Will need to see some itemization/unique to get anywhere near full conversion to phys I think.

[snow sierra]

I thinking about starting cronomancer minion build just for the defensive stats, cba to play gemling

[left grail]

fair points, I'd just heard that demon form grants +levels as well, and figured that would work with minions and can be either sustained indefinitely or used as a damage burst option (paried with the hound).

[alpine vigil]

plagiarized sin

[frigid hill]

it does? damn

[snow sierra]

atm demon form and minions are a no go

[thin basin]

Minion life, spell dmg, fire dmg, crit, fire crit, blood magic, hit dmg vs ailment, recoup, ignite effect 🧑‍🍳

[long pebble]

Ghazzy has confirmed with GGG devs that demon form still makes all your minions disappear as you dont have a scepter equiped in demon form currently

[snow sierra]

^this

[sterile sparrow]

Anyone know what determines damage of gas cloud explosion?

[proven quest]

I think that would have been a pretty cool implementation, so that you'd be able to manipulate the trigger with the damage on the attack rather than by your stats

[left grail]

wait form change removes your ... ah, just your weapons, I guess

[icy turtle]

infinite duration curses so maybe there's some synergy with cursing your own minions or some item that allows you to leech from minions. we just don't know enough yet.

[left grail]

yeah, unfortunate

[candid garnet]

i really wanna do volcanic fissures slam build and see if i can convert it to full chaos with that monk ascendacy idk if itll work

[long pebble]

And again, if you want to cast fire spells, like most of the infernalist ascendancy uses, you would want a WAND, losing your Scepter and all your minons/buffs.

[frigid hill]

i think we saw it as a tooltip in one of all the gameplay showcases, it's definitely fire, idk if it scales with ur weapon though

imo it will but cant promise it does

[sterile sparrow]

Ya I didn't mean damage type but how much damage it does

[snow sierra]

bloodmage could be rly strong for fire spells too, since it has a note that sets base crit to 15% and fire spells have a low base crit

[sterile sparrow]

It won't even necessarily be an attack that detonates it

[thin basin]

YOOOOO volatile dead is in the game? Huge

Screw dd back to vd

[frigid hill]

it was like 400 in act 2(?), idk what that tells u though

[thick thunder]

can elemental storm from tempest caller get support gems?

[frigid hill]

ya we can support skills given from ascendancies

[thin basin]

Can u dualw wand n sceptre?

[silent prawn]

one of each yes

but not two of each

[thin basin]

Interesting

Wait there’s a dagger implicit that give u blood magic for spell

Whens that coming

[cinder cedar]

So after the reveal, it looks like there's no minion ascendency choice. Infernalist has like 2 nodes related to minion but its conditional. At this point warrior and gemling has more potential lolz

[icy turtle]

I hope there is some way to make life remnants come to you instead of picking them up

[silent prawn]

possibly with the Assassin class

[proven quest]

Do we know what "high" resource is yet?

[frigid hill]

spirit is the biggest boost to minions, u can go es or mana for defense

[fleet blaze]

choose ascendancy and look what it starts it starts at the direction your trree paths out

[silent prawn]

+65%
low is -35%

[frigid hill]

that said im sure gemling is a fine minion ascendancy too

[static plinth]

Where's Escape Artist on the tree?

[silent prawn]

just far off from minion passives
I wonder if they ever consider a Gate node on the Tree

[frigid hill]

yea, from what we've seen

gates would be cool

[cinder cedar]

yea but you trade out %25 life... so you cant go CI. You're opting for less defense and in PoE2, defense seems way more important than PoE1

[frigid hill]

is it really less defense though? you can scale spirit and mana/es at the same time with life

[sharp glade]

ES is literally defense

you can also go MOM with the life->mana one

[cinder cedar]

but you need to invest in Life to get anything from the node

which means less ES

[sharp glade]

you dont "invest" in life

there are no life nodes

you just get lfie on items and thats it

[proper pagoda]

Is there a way to reserve life to guarantee perms pain attunement?

[cinder cedar]

then you don't get any bonus to spirit then. pointless ascendancy point

[static plinth]

Only on Infernalist, with a lot of investment

[thorny path]

Only the infernalist nodes have life reservation so far

It will be called the Beidat build

and probably suck

[static plinth]

Its a shame you cant also take Grinning Immolation with those 4

If you could, that'd actually cook

[proper pagoda]

Infernalisr is 25 percent how do I get the other 25. U need 50 or pain attunement right?

[sharp glade]

not much point in it tho considering it requires 4 ascendancy points, and you can just get the self-ignite node isntead that gives the same as Pain attunement

[proper pagoda]

I want to stack them though

Pain attunement with that node. Multiplicative

[toxic walrus]

Where can I see poe2 pasivve tree ascendancy etc?

[cinder cedar]

Infernalist looks way more powerful as a spellcaster instead of minions. Minions look lackluster since its all conditional and drawbacks. Not to mention, demon form won't buff minions.

[viscid escarp]

GGG posted ascendancies: https://www.pathofexile.com/forum/view-thread/3592012

[sharp glade]

you cant not just by ifnernalist since u need to take all beidat nodes in that case

[sharp glade]

you are going minions for the extra spirit and hellhound

[viscid escarp]

also you can just google search poe 2 passive tree, I think there's a reddit thread

[prisma summit]

https://poe-2-skill-tree-planner.vercel.app/

the good passive tree site

[static plinth]

25x3

You need to get down to 35% life

Take all 3 Beidat nodes to be at 25%

[proper pagoda]

Oh. Is there any other reservation for life mechanic in the game?

[peak fox]

could overcapped block chance be used to scale this?

[cinder cedar]

yea but thats it... so a while ascendency class for defense and 4 more low cost minions... it sounds like a bad deal. Gemling does WAY more. Even Warrior does more for minions

[static plinth]

Not that we've seen

[proper pagoda]

I see

[static plinth]

You could maybe take only 2 Beidat nodes and Blood Magic and then when you cast you'll drop below low life but thats cursed as hell

[sharp glade]

there might be other ways to reserve life

some uniques maybe

[static plinth]

Midnight Bargain 🙏

[neon kindle]

is the break armour base duration known?

[long pebble]

anyone know how Beidat's Will works if you take Chaos Innoculation? Could you take 2 25% life reservation nodes and Chaos inoculation?

[proven quest]

Into the Breach: "You are considered to be in a Breach while this skill is active". WTF are the reprocussions/ benefits from this going to be?!

[thick thunder]

we dont know the base frequency of orb of storms do we?

[static plinth]

Presumably it wont let you take whichever one you try to take second

Either that or you reserve 0 life twice and get no benefit

Since yknow, 1 life

[sharp glade]

probably summoners will go beidat's will+beidat's gaze+mom

[static plinth]

Wait thats huge. Breach Rings double their benefits while in a breach

[sharp glade]

no

they go up to 50% qual now

[proven quest]

I don't think they do that anymore

[static plinth]

[long pebble]

They dotn say that in poe2 they instead go up to 50% quality

[sharp glade]

mom might be the play for summoners

[static plinth]

Probably nothing important, then

[sharp glade]

since they dont need to spend much

[sterile latch]

while in a breach or generally ?

[fleet blaze]

WHAT IS A BIG STRONG SPELL THAT HAS A LONG COOLDOWN? PLZ RESPOND

[long pebble]

Generally, it was in the poe2 trailer when talking about end game mechanics

[static plinth]

Doesn't exist

[woven sinew]

Hammer of god

[proven quest]

Spell specifically, or any skill?

[static plinth]

(or rather we dont know about any)

[thorny path]

so far*

[woven sinew]

Ah spell

[fleet blaze]

something chromie can make use of to time warp back and then BIG DAMAGE SPELL LONG COOLDOWN again

[fervent dagger]

Does anyone know if Decaying Hex can stack?

[cinder cedar]

Exactly. This is the TRUTH. Witch is a bait class start for minion builds

[long pebble]

I feel like witch ascendancies are for hybrid minion builds at best...

[thick thunder]

is inevitable critical the only % crit chance support gem?

[snow sierra]

blood mage has anti synergie with minions, so there is that

[cinder cedar]

yea I thought so... but the way devs designed it. Its more like 80% spell caster 20% minions

[static plinth]

Presumably Inc Critical Strikes will be back with a downside like Increased Critical Damage

[long pebble]

I feel like infernalist might be great for SRS builds... otherwise you are ignoring everything fire based in the ascendancy to get... 25% more minions at the cost of 25% of your life...

[snow sierra]

Is there a minion spell with a huge cooldown ?

[silent prawn]

there might be a full on minion ascendancy as 3rd choice...
but also Devs wanted to go away from the one trick pony

[long pebble]

Dont think so, they are all spirit based reservations

[candid garnet]

is there any poe 2 tree out or is it the same as poe 1 tree?

[static plinth]

Oh booo there's a node locked behind the chest on Warrior

[cinder cedar]

yea that's literally it. No other minions work well w/ infernalist. Maybe a fire based spectre but we would need to know more info. Maybe if theres cracked uniques to give ignites to all minions.

[long pebble]

which is what bothers me... if their way of doing that is forcing us to play hybrid minion builds... just why? better to have left me with 1 designated ascendancy

[static plinth]

This has everything we know of so far
https://marcoaaguiar.github.io/poe2-tree/?a=pathfinder&p=Q

[candid garnet]

thanks!

[cinder cedar]

So why does deadeye, titan, stormweaver exist in the game? all 1 trick ponies. They do the thing that they're good at

[snow sierra]

At the moment my plan gos for minion Chronomancer :P, assuming minions dont need a acendency now to be viable and chronomancer seems to have some notes that seem good no matter what

[silent prawn]

dmg can come from differen sources tho

[static plinth]

If you use a slam, Titan isnt your only choice. If you use minions, Necromancer or Guardian were basically your only choices

Its a consequence of your stats not impacting minions

[cinder cedar]

Whats a better slammer than Titan?

[granite tulip]

Cast on Critical with Eye of Winter and Frostbolt, am I cooked or cooking? For applying Critical Weakness and Chilled.

[static plinth]

Chronomancer and Blood Mage both have people theorycrafting slam builds for them

[candid garnet]

guys was there any node in poe 1 to convert either full physical into chaos damage or elemental dmg to chaos damage?

or any item etc

[proven quest]

Watching Jungroan video, and I thought of something. I am the Thunder/Blizzard with cast on shock/ freeze eye of winter might go really hard. Free application of critical weakness and picks up the ground affect applying it to nearby enemies

[static plinth]

20% more damage and AoE does not a slam ascendancy make

Earthbreaker is REALLY good, but its not "go Titan or be worthless" good

And the rest of the ascendancy isnt even limited to slams

[royal badge]

What will be stronger? Flicker Deadeye or Point Blank Deadeye?

[ancient geyser]

does someone know how the energy system works in poe2? if i'm using cast on crit for example, and i'm firing a skill that shoots 10 projectiles and i crit, am i generating 10 energy because i crit or am i generating 100 energy because i crit 10 times?

[umbral pier]

I will assume that by strongest you mean the one that hits the hardest, probably point blank.

[proven quest]

IIRC each individual proj rolls crit, so I think it would be each projectile critting

[cinder cedar]

Chronomancer has no damage and gimmicks. Bloodmage is all about criting or do nothing. Half the nodes wouldn't work with slams. Doesn't look comparable to me

[rigid shale]

noob question here , is there a build planner in game or somewhere ? or do we just remember or write it down on paper

[snow sierra]

Bloodmage seem to be a insane melee build to me

[umbral pier]

amazon witch

[snow sierra]

Its kinda set what you pick, but seems very strong but limited

[royal badge]

Even with resonance giving potentially max power charge and deadeye giving chance to double the bonus attacks on flicker?

Oh wait

Duh nvm

[umbral pier]

no way to be sure of anything yet

[royal badge]

Deadeye doesnt double power charge consumption, only frenzy

Welp pb shotgunner it is

[proper pagoda]

Why does comet say +1 second to cast time. So you can trigger it based off 100 energy but functionally it takes 2s to cast?

[ancient geyser]

thanks, couldn't find any info about projectile behavior on the wiki when it comes to crit/dmg rolls 🙏

[proven quest]

I think it was asked/ answered in the ziz interview, specifically talking about rain of arrows. I could be wrong though

[static plinth]

I would assume the +1 second is how long it takes to fall to the ground after being cast

[royal badge]

Is Rhoa mount for bows gonna be a real thing or a meme?

[lofty grotto]

meme, stonger skills dismount you

[umbral pier]

probably, but if you have good cdr then it might affect you less

[thorny path]

real thing

[thorny path]

wtf is a stonger

[silent prawn]

charge attacks probably

[icy turtle]

stonger be stongin

[lofty grotto]

any other than standard shooting animation

[proven quest]

I disagree with this. Chronomancer 33% chance not to consume cooldown is affectively 33% more damage on builds with cooldowns. Time snap is insane burst damage. And Blood Mage can take 0 crit nodes in the ascendancy and it's still very strong from the looks of it

[lofty grotto]

like jumps, leaps, charges etc.

[fast slate]

does any of this work with totems?

[royal badge]

What about normal, non-charged/channel/movement skills like lightning arrow? Won’t we be able to shoot and ride rhoa?

[umbral pier]

doubt it

[thorny path]

yes you would

[umbral pier]

I think you can, but if you get hit you can get dismounted and stunned

[thorny path]

only bow attacks that do a flip are Escape Shot and the poison one I forget the name of

[royal badge]

Does the rhoa mount scale with move speed bonuses? If so, it’s rhoa meta

[thorny path]

It's just your own movespeed I think

[snow sierra]

Can someone explain what "Recoup Effects instead occur over 4 seconds" means on the Chrono and why is it good ?

[static plinth]

In 1 its 4 seconds that can be reduced to 3

[umbral pier]

instead of instantly lusing a big chunk of your hp, you will lose it slowly, meaning you can heal inbetween

[lofty grotto]

Escape Shot, Toxic Growth, Elecroducing Arrow, Spiral Volley, Snipe

those will dismount you

[static plinth]

No, you heal X% of the damage you took, split across a few seconds

[cinder cedar]

Blood Mage is all about criting. If you don't have high crit % then you can never take advantage of life remnants vs bosses w/ no adds. Chrono problems are abilities have really long CDs. % procs are going to feel bad when its not up.

[proper pagoda]

Is overcharge support actually unusable as storm weaver? This would give you 100 percent less duration of shock?

[snow sierra]

Ah and in poe 2 its like 6 seconds so i would get the hp back faster

[static plinth]

75% less. They're multiplicative

[proper pagoda]

Ah Right

[static plinth]

Its still probably borderline unusable, though

[proper pagoda]

Yeah lol. Sad. Overcharge is basically as good as ur ascend

Kinda bricks stormweaver a bit

[thorny path]

or maybe just build shock duration

[proper pagoda]

Default shock is 2s?

[thorny path]

idk

[proper pagoda]

Even if it's 4s u need insane duration to be usable

[static plinth]

Stormfire could help

[proper pagoda]

True yeah

[olive tide]

with less shock duration, enervation support might generate a ton of mana.. idk tho

[proven quest]

Not getting life remnants vs bosses shouldn't be a problem. You have spell damage leech, a bunch of defense nodes, and scaling some regen will be fine. Then once you get enough crit you can just respec into crit and then it's even stronger

[distant dome]

Cast on critical + eye of winter + trick shot + 65% pierce… might run out of mana from it sustain proccing itself? D:

[proper pagoda]

I wonder what the best skill to shock will be

[velvet blade]

Do we know the exact armour calculation for poe2?

[cinder cedar]

I'm only talking melee on a bloodmage. Slams aren't spells. For spell casters, blood mage is fantastic!

[thorny path]

no

[graceful stag]

I'm having trouble understanding infernalist what does demon flame stacks give u

Doesn't say lmao

[distant dome]

I mean, you still get crit damage from hp…. Which is Str…. But yeah most of their stuff is spell specific

[umbral pier]

they hurt you, so you get forced out of transformation after a bit

[static plinth]

1% life loss and 10% spell damage a second per demonflame

[graceful stag]

Increased or more?

[static plinth]

Increased

[proven quest]

You can definitely do both in this game. Especially if the goal is to bleed, then you can cast spells in the meantime that support/ increase your bleed damage which will be leeching. Main damage is a huge attack, spells to sustain and increase that damage

[graceful stag]

Eternal youth to offset it could be fucking funny I just don't know if ES recharge would effect the life

[static plinth]

It would, thats my plan

[distant dome]

Does bleed stack in PoE 2? With my main damage being lots of small hits from bonestorm, bleed looks kinda meh if it doesn’t (for bonestoem)

[cinder cedar]

yea but the problem is criting and sustain. Titan gives way more for melee focused builds. I can see a late-game melee gimmicky build working with bloodmage but very rough if starting. its an alternative but very disingenuous to say its better than titan.

[static plinth]

The main slam of choice ive seen is Sunder which gets guaranteed crits on broken armour

[graceful stag]

Ik theres a poe 1 keystone 4 it

[distant dome]

Does Titan have as good of a voice actress? :p

[snow sierra]

we cant rly say whats better or worse, but we can say bloodmage could be a good pick for melee too

[graceful stag]

R u going bediats with it? Makes sense 2 me

[thorny crater]

do y'all think grenade deadeye will be a good pick?

[cinder cedar]

facts lol

[rustic arrow]

do we know if warcrays work for totems?

[static plinth]

Probably only the ES one

[hoary plover]

deadeye does seem to be how people are leaning for grenades, but it remains to be confirmed if point blank works with grenades (it should)
almost all the power comes from the +1 proj. the frenzies dont really help grenades, and tailwind is just okay for defense.

[sterile latch]

"just okay" pretty sure is why everyone wants deadeye

[static plinth]

Current plan is Altered, ES Beidat, Demon Form, and the crit one

[hoary plover]

really? i thought people were pretty whelmed with tailwind

[static plinth]

Tailwind not being action speed is very whatever

[thorny crater]

does action speed still exist?

[fathom vale]

blood mage could at least have blood offering right? Something related to sacrificing minions

[winter dagger]

Thoughts on going Stormweaver to make a Magic Archer? If Cast on Crit is in the Game shouldnt be possibl to cast Elemental Storm via my arrow skills?

[sterile latch]

yes it's just move speed evade skillspeed 30%dr

[hoary plover]

im not going grenades but i've been very unsure on deadeye for my own build.
the proj is big, but FS/PB dont apply to me (as far as I know), frenzies seem hard to generate, and tailwind is kinda whatever.
but I have no idea how to math out all witchunter's little buffs to really compare them

[thorny path]

yea honestly who cares about all that amirite guys

[thorny crater]

you can't put ascendancy skills on meta gems i'm pretty sure

[coral spoke]

I'm thinking of going recoup with chronomancer. Looks like 54% damage taken is recouped, with 30% physical recouped on top. Seems great but not much chatter here. Am I overestimating this approach being tanky?

[sterile latch]

just dodge bro

[hoary plover]

we dodgesouls now

[velvet blade]

Do we know if corrupting blood counts as bleeding?

[thorny path]

yea bro like 150% increased evasion? just dont get hit bro wtf ur ranged bro git gud bro

[snow sierra]

Recoup still dos not prevent you from beeing onehit 😉

[winter dagger]

interesting, but do skills like elemental storm require a weapon like a staff to use?

[velvet blade]

Yeeeah, defensive strategies that require you to take damage to work probably shouldn't be your main defense

[thorny crater]

well you need to proc it with a spell and spells are locked behind weapons

[graceful stag]

I think it depends on how heavy you want to invest in it for a single point u can go temp rift and if u play good with that yoy won't take shit in the first place

[winter dagger]

ah, gotchya, dissapointing

[coral spoke]

It says it resets my life, mana and ES. I assume the recoup carries over. So if I get a slam I temp rift and now for 6 or 8 seconds I have massive life recoup applying? Is that what you're proposing?

[candid garnet]

u think a chayula monk volcanic fissure slam build with convert full phys/fire to chaos with blackflame etc will be any decent guys ?

[graceful stag]

No I meant in point efficency I'm not sure if recoup carries over

The choice is you get some garunteed no skill required recoup or you rewind skillfully and potentially take no damage

[snow sierra]

So the poe version of just dodge bro you dont need more then 1 hp

[olive tide]

when chonk spawns a blackflame behind something and you cant get to it to extend your buff, its gonna feel bad

[snow sierra]

Still i dont think recoup would be a good primary defense, if you have something that makes sure you dont get onehit it can be a good secondary defense

but i might be wrong here and poe1 like random onehits do not happen in poe2 and everything hardhitting can be dodge but doubt it since monster crits are still in the game

[fresh dirge]

what ascendancies are considered to be the most busted?

with the available info

[snow sierra]

my money is on bloodmage with archmage but who knows

[midnight bolt]

defensive wise chrono/warbringer/blood mage/infernalist, damage wise who cares

[fresh dirge]

what does blood mage want to use spirit for, minions or auras?

[frigid hill]

depends on what ur doing with the ascendancy

[midnight bolt]

i dont think u ever want to go minions on blood mage, but who knows

[snow sierra]

depends on the build but i doubt minions

[frigid hill]

we also have not seen all the ways we can reserve spirit yet

[fresh dirge]

but she will get a lot of minion buffs from the tree even if not aiming for them right

[snow sierra]

you dont have to get those ?

[frigid hill]

not really

[fresh dirge]

i thought they often come with spell dmg

[midnight bolt]

no

[fresh dirge]

and such

[frigid hill]

well yea, early nodes give both

but u dont have to use both

[midnight bolt]

its only few nodes on start

[frigid hill]

in poe you kind of have to specialize, doing a lot of different things at once is vry hard to scale

[fresh dirge]

i see ok

[snow sierra]

And bloodmage and minions dosnt seem to vibe atleast from what i see in the acendancy

considering minions are killstealing 😉

[signal ingot]

Does anyone know exactly how 'Slow' works in PoE2? I assume it is action speed reduction since its on Temp Chains. However, is it capped? And is curse effect reduced on bosses like it was prior to a change in PoE1?

(In case this was answered in an interview somewhere)

[snow sierra]

i think curse now have a extra line for what they do on bosses

There was one shown in the inverviews and it was a smaller effect

[violet yarrow]

Dot damage can't crit right? If we don't know about that in poe2 then what about in poe1?

[snow sierra]

but for slow no clue

[signal ingot]

If a DoT is derived from a hit like ignite in PoE 1

then the bigger hit of a crit will mean more DoT

[frigid hill]

correct. however in poe2 damaging ailments u inflict benefit from a larger hit, i.e. from a crit

[signal ingot]

the DoT itself doesnt crit though

but 1 has Perfect Agony which kinda sorta links crit and DoT

[violet yarrow]

thanks

[icy turtle]

is there some synergy i'm missing here?

[signal ingot]

Crit and giant damage

Archmage eating ur life sounds spooky though

[snow sierra]

Archmage now scales of max mana, but the mana cost is the problem, bloodmage can just put the gem in to cast with life and its solved, then there is the crit dmg etc

[midnight bolt]

it does not, the node specidically says adds BASE mana cost, while archmage specifically says additional mana cost

unless u take blood magic you pay archmage with mana

[signal ingot]

I could see it going either way

like in 1

if I have + or - additional mana cost of a skill

[distant dome]

does this only trigger once per enemy that has broken armor?

[signal ingot]

that is treated as base cost by other modifiers

[icy turtle]

I see. so if you take blood magic then archmage scales based off your hp instead?

[signal ingot]

As opposed to like

a support with 150% cost multiplier which is not

Requires a test

[snow sierra]

No not blood magic, the gem because you want your mana form MoM 😛

[frigid hill]

u can break armor again after consuming it

[midnight bolt]

in poe 1 we dont have wording "base" cost at all iirc

[snow sierra]

i dont rember that the support gem is called , there is one that the skill now cost life and not mana

And archemage dmg scaling seems very good

[signal ingot]

Yeah I meant more that despite saying "additional" the change from that mod is fed into multipliers. I'm not sure archmage will apply before blood mage cost but I wouldn't be sure it won't either

[icy turtle]

lifetap?

[snow sierra]

yes

[icy turtle]

but you'll still have 75% mana cost

[snow sierra]

ive seen it with 100% mana cost

maybe it changed

[midnight bolt]

i dont get why you are trying to make archmage cost life, thats pretty insane idea, we already have 4% max mana as base regen, you can scale it to the moon and weve seen clips of people playing archmage with 0 mana issues spamming spells while their bar doesnt even move

[snow sierra]

Good to know, my last info was that there is a mana issue to solve atm

[icy turtle]

I think blood magic is going to be a staple

[midnight bolt]

the only mana issues i head of is people saying early game everyone has it, which is expected

[frigid hill]

Do we have info on minion respawn mechanics anywhere?

[urban lodge]

Titan or Warbringer?

[midnight bolt]

warbringer!

[snow sierra]

what do you mean by that you get one minion every 7 seconds atleast thats the info i did hear

[midnight bolt]

jade form+totems ez bossing

[frigid hill]

both look fine

[frigid hill]

okay, thanks.

[snow sierra]

And there are notes to reduce it

[silent prawn]

Basically once a minion dies that is permanent, meaning with spirit reservation, a timer starts.
After 4-7 seconds that minion respawns. If another minion during that time, the timer resets.

[frigid hill]

thanks! could you elaborate on "4-7"?

[silent prawn]

Basically worst case a chain reaction happens and all minions die one after the other just before 7 seconds and you are without minions.

[frigid hill]

my plan is to blow them up all at once, so no worries there

[silent prawn]

But all minions respawn at the same time

[frigid hill]

is 4 from the minions that revive others, otherwise it's all 7 seconds?

[silent prawn]

Honestly not sure. Probably needs to be tested at EA

[frigid hill]

hmm okay, thanks

[snow sierra]

where did you get the all at once respawn info ?

[silent prawn]

Visible in the witch video

[fleet blaze]

this is a silly question. i dont really watch streamers don't really support twitch but id like to watch someone who's very good at build making about a week after launch to see their ideas. think i followed a tunafish build one and a fungun build once.

[silent prawn]

There will be soo many build Guides after one week. Honestly not sure who to recommend. Just keep your eyes on the YouTube feed.

[snow sierra]

And alot of them will be a bad build in a good video to be the first

[proven quest]

I always suggest Zizaran for builds, I don't know what his build guide plans are on EA launch though

[fleet blaze]

ive been baited by a ton of PoB baits in POE1

[silent prawn]

Zizaran for general builds, ghazzy for minion

[hoary plover]

zizaran and mathil are my go-to's, sometimes tripolarbear

[silent prawn]

Phox for Righteous fire, as soon as it exists. Mage fist for flicker strike, not sure if he creates a guide tho

[hoary plover]

aer0 has cool ideas but i look at him more for inspiration rather than something to follow

[hoary plover]

long post but worth reading
https://old.reddit.com/r/PathOfExile2/comments/1h63glx/updated_reliable_content_sources_for_new_players/

[fleet blaze]

ty

[graceful stag]

does this mean my elemental stuff can bleed? or that it merely "contributes" if reading this properly that 10% + whatever elemental i have would essentially mean all my elemental applies bleed

idk if im reading this wrong could use help

am i misreading something

[olive tide]

i dont think we know for sure what contributes means

[frigid hill]

without the node if u deal 100 phys and 50 fire ur bleed is only based on the phys, with the node the bleed would be based on the combined damage

[snow sierra]

ye most ppl speculate that it only adds and you need the bleed support to make a bleed build work, and bleed support now works on spells

[frail jay]

It means elemental stuff can bleed yes. It says magnitude because chance isn't inherent to damage that can bleed unlike ignite

[candid garnet]

are there new active skill gems with the new classes guys ? and is there any place we can see what skill gems each class starts with ?

[graceful stag]

ok ty

[frigid hill]

https://poe2db.tw/us/Warrior#Warrior

[frail jay]

The infernalist node says all damage contributes to ignite chance because ignite chance is based on the damage, bleed chance is based on things like support gems and passive nodes and item mods

[frigid hill]

at the top there's Character Class, where u can switch what ur looking at

[devout dew]

anyone here going with Witch - into - Infernalist

[candid garnet]

thanks

[frigid hill]

minion or selfcast?

[devout dew]

Kirvin can i have ur opinion on 1 thing

[frail jay]

Sure

[devout dew]

Minion but leaning towards Infernalist at Ascendancy

does this look good as a start

[frail jay]

Yeah Infernalist is likely the best minion ascendancy by a lot

[frigid hill]

spectre only? hmm

[snow sierra]

ppl speculate that gemling could be better in endgame

[frail jay]

Not really, only minion there being Spectre seems odd especially when we have 0 idea what spectres will actually be good at the start

[eternal pilot]

I find it kinda weird how people think Imploding Impacts is going to be op without even understanding what "Break armour" does? Its clearly not armour penetration?

[devout dew]

so what should i change if anything

[frigid hill]

what part of broken armour are u confused about?

[devout dew]

i want to be more fire/ignite focused

but minions also

[eternal pilot]

Well first of all its something you build towards like a threshold it seems.

[frigid hill]

correct

[frail jay]

if 30% less cost of skills applies to reservation spirit costs maybe the starting location really sucks though

[eternal pilot]

We dont know the exact effect of what happens when the monster gets the state "armour broken" if I put it like that

[alpine vigil]

fully broken?

[frigid hill]

don't we? their physical damage reduction becomes 0, no?

[alpine vigil]

it's probably just "physical exposure" but in flat values

[snow sierra]

Gem qualtity and level is very important for minions too atleast in poe 1

[alpine vigil]

and there's special allowed mechanics when it reaches 0

[eternal pilot]

Thats an assumption I think? I cant find anywhere to read the exact debuff

[frail jay]

Minions is only of the things I've been considering starting. I think the strongest setup is either going to be just getting a bunch of high dps hitting minions to roll over stuff like a PoE1 build, or finding a large tanky minion and putting infernal legion + meat shield on it and blowing them up with the skeletal arsonist active (which you can scale separately and not get a downside from meatshield on the explosion). You can probably get very big ignites from the arsonist active too.

Infernal Legion is basically RF, but on a minion

[alpine vigil]

One skill reads as literally "Hits Break # Armour", pretty safe to assume the armour just gets reduced

[eternal pilot]

Yeah, And we dont know if thats about the threshold or the actual armor that affects the mitigation. Thats where the confusion for me kicks in

[alpine vigil]

What threshold?

[frigid hill]

u break away armour, when it hits 0, their armour is broken is my understanding

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fLP1oODaZTE&t=790s ziggy talks about it a bit here, if that helps

[devout dew]

so @frail jay that image i showed u - how would i go about fixing it

[alpine vigil]

fully broken but yes that seems to be the consensus

[frigid hill]

yea

[eternal pilot]

I thought it was a percantage debuff on the mob, once you reach 100% of that threshold the armor is broken. But does that really need to mean that all of their armor is gone?

[alpine vigil]

The values are flat, you can see them on bosses

[hidden siren]

any site with the new passive tree up yet?

[alpine vigil]

It's not like freeze where there's a % sign during buildup

[eternal pilot]

Ooh its NOT a percentage

[hidden siren]

pretty sure when u break armor u deal a large amount of damage then it resets the armor

[frigid hill]

only if u "consume" their broken armour afaik

[alpine vigil]

Yeah only if specified

[frigid hill]

thru skills or supports

[frail jay]

Well I'm not really sure what's going to be best, mainly because idk how much spirit we're going to have at what point and how much spirit minions cost. I think if you have a good spectre you can put infernal legion + meat shield on it and then I would also run arsonists to detonate them, and maybe cleric for faster resurrection. You can run Unearth to get some extra temp minions as meatshields. I wouldn't run Blasphemy early it's a big spirit hog. Cast on Ignite also isn't going to really do anything for you there.

[hidden siren]

so would it be better to not fully break it

[alpine vigil]

"Fully Broken Armour" is a keyword it seems, looks like when the enemy armour reaches 0, then you can break it

[frigid hill]

otherwise their armour is broken for a certain amount of time, then it resets

[alpine vigil]

You don't have to consume it

[alpine vigil]

Oh there's a timer?

[frigid hill]

u can extend the time the armour is broken thru passive skills

[long trail]

https://poe2db.tw/Spirit_Gems#SpiritGems are the grey'd out skills not in the intial EA or do we just not have info on them yet?

[eternal pilot]

yeah there are nodes that extend the time the armour is broken

[thin basin]

https://tenor.com/view/batman-superman-batman-v-superman-do-you-bleed-bleed-gif-19089630

[serene locust]

hey, quite new to poe and planning to start as invoker on friday. does someone maybe know if evasion rate in general is also "active" while energy shield is still up? Furthermore the physical damage reduction of "..and Protect me from Harm" from the ascendancy tree will only count for damage hitting life points or also also while energy shield up?

[dawn bison]

anyone know if there's a source for shock being "more damage taken" rather than additive "increased damage taken"?

[frail jay]

I'm guessing bleed will still be restricted to attacks, we'll have to see though

[dawn bison]

or if there's a shock tooltip screenshot floating around

[thin basin]

Bloodmage

[ancient geyser]

not with bloodmage node

[alpine vigil]

I think this is for all stacks, which makes it interesting in that it's not as dumb as it being infinite, but you can refresh it

[shy rune]

got any mega nerds here? I've a question

[alpine vigil]

Unless you can't apply "0 armour break" when at max (except TitanWarbringer)

[frigid hill]

if we go by poe1 standards, if an enemy has "increased damage taken" it's multiplicative with your damage

[frail jay]

It doesn't say anything about spells?

[eternal pilot]

Then I actually think the Warbringer node is either negative capped at a percantage of the bosses total armor or that only the attack that triggers the fully broken armour goes into the negative

[silent prawn]

Don't ask to ask... Simply ask lol

[snow sierra]

the bleed support works on everything now

[dawn bison]

yes, but it's additive with other sources of that stat, which is why i'm asking

[silent prawn]

Elemental DMG can bleed

[shy rune]

Does the dmg removed by decimating strike counts towards concentration damage

[frail jay]

That's true actually

[alpine vigil]

Unlikely, it's not a hit

[frigid hill]

i believe if u have multiple sources of "increased damage taken" they are additive with eachother, and multiplicative with your damage
but i havent looked into it in some time

[shy rune]

that's what i think, but during the showcase, decimating strike shows a dmg number when it procced on the boss

[frail jay]

That doesn't say anything about spells, but the bleed chance support not saying attacks only probably means spells can bleed

[alpine vigil]

And in the same vein, it probably cannot apply large ignites

[frail jay]

Bleed Ignite Flameblast

[alpine vigil]

Yeah but that's just "damage applied", not a hit doing damage if that makes sense

[pure eagle]

any1 got a bow build i can borrow?

[ancient geyser]

spells can bleed because of that support gem, but we don't have physical spells outside of bonestorm iirc so it's obviously hard to make spells bleed without bloodmage

[dawn bison]

yes, it's a multiplier, i know

but as a stat it's additive with, for example, wither

and i want to know if now shock is not "increased damage taken" anymore, because that's what i've heard around

[shy rune]

What does "Hit" show when you mouseover it?

[dawn bison]

because in the acse of someone already stacking wither, shock is essentially half effectiveness

[brave canopy]

I'm really wanting to dual wield 2h weaps, what class/ascendancy looks best for it? I'm torn looking at all of the possibilities.

[alpine vigil]

No clue I don't have access to the game, but it should just be a basic explanation of what is and isn't a hit

If it's like poe1, it'll say ailments and dots are not hits for instance

[eternal pilot]

Probably titan

[lyric vessel]

where are you huys getting the passive skill tree?

[alpine vigil]

That's how it should work, that's how it is in poe1

[shy rune]

Titan warrior and, hear me out, strenght stacking Gemling Legionnaire

[eternal pilot]

Just so you are aware maces is the only option you have for 2h dual wield

[brave canopy]

I'm the type of player that will even go witch and dw2h just to see if I can make it work

[alpine vigil]

Why not strength stacking titan

[thick thunder]

anyone know which is correct? left is poe2skills right is poedb

[frigid hill]

bloodmage sunder

[dawn bison]

so you have proof that shock is still "increased damage taken"?

[frigid hill]

why not both? one is lvl 2 other is lvl 3

[alpine vigil]

It's a debuff on the enemy so it cannot affect you

[dawn bison]

bruh

[shy rune]

both are valid, im just saying is that gemling gets double the strenght from nodes

[alpine vigil]

Therefore it is multiplicative with your increased damage

[devout dew]

@frail jay so u say Arsonists over Brutes and Warriors?

[dawn bison]

you're misunderstanding what i'm actually asking

[eternal pilot]

Doesnt bloodmage require crit for the blood orbs? (on bosses) thats probably going to be kinda annoying while meeting the 2h str reqs and shit

[frigid hill]

sunder guaranteed crit

[brave canopy]

Giants blood doesn't allow dw of axe, sword, and mace?

[devout dew]

@frail jay ??

[eternal pilot]

axes and swords doesnt even exist

[dusty bear]

do yall think trying to play a skill around charges (quarterstaff power charge stuff or the frenzy charge stuff) would be terrible early? haven't been following streams and such

[alpine vigil]

It probably does, but we won't loot swords and axes

[brave canopy]

Ahh, just for the ea atm

[alpine vigil]

I wouldn't bother for a few acts yes

[dusty bear]

nah meant like early-endgame

[shy rune]

I heard that str/int/dex dont give dmg anymore, just health/mana/acc

[alpine vigil]

should be fine, it doesn't seem to be like poe1 where you need 8 charges or whatever

[thorny lintel]

how many ascendancy point will we have in poe 2

in ea

[devout dew]

Igneous what are u gonna be playing

[alpine vigil]

8, 4 notables

[eternal pilot]

8

[alpine vigil]

invoker lightning rod

[dusty bear]

hope so, would love to try Charged Staff

[brave canopy]

If axe and swords don't drop in ea, what weapons can drop?

[shy rune]

witch hunter my beloved

[snow sierra]

guys, could it be that bloodmage spawns orbs with minion kills too ? Kinda looks like it here : https://youtu.be/ZpIbaTXJD4g?t=2090

[olive tide]

ppl sleeping on ice shot.. my gear will be cheap

[alpine vigil]

mace quarterstaff bow crossbow sceptres and caster stuff