2┃build-planning

[tidal furnace]

Doubt it honestly

we only have 1 life flask

[static plinth]

We also aren't giving up utility flasks for the life flask, though

[sterile stone]

well no one ever use more than 1 life flask either in poe

[tidal furnace]

yeah but we can't have more than 1, theres no longer opportunity cost associated with it

no more no less everyone has one.

[sterile stone]

or 2 with the unique

[true gulch]

this says Life lost, will i loose that amount from my mana first as MoM?

[gusty bone]

Does Recharge from Eternal Youth count as regeneration?

[tidal furnace]

unsure @true gulch

[sterile stone]

just like pb and progen, only works on life

[native widget]

no

[sterile stone]

life loss not damage taken

[tidal furnace]

Just an extra layer of defense to give you breathing room

[static plinth]

Well comparing...its not looking good
Though it does also take a fifth of the charges per use

[obtuse latch]

I would think MoM would function with that

[sterile stone]

you losing mana/es is not life loss

[static plinth]

It would go through all ES/Mana

But also you're on Blood Mage, i would hope that isnt a problem

[pearl sluice]

Which class/build is all fire. I wanna shoot fire everywhere. Burn it all.

[woven sinew]

Think this is the smart plan?

[static plinth]

Infernalist, on the Witch

[true gulch]

as bloodmage archmage, how much HP would u get? around 4k if you have good crit setups?

[native widget]

sure

[pearl sluice]

Any others?

[shrewd socket]

ah my bad. misunderstood it

[static plinth]

Infernalist is the only one with specific Fire themeing. Invoker is all elements, and Stormweaver is cold/lightning but can still use Fire instead

[woven sinew]

I meant for 3 to be spirit but c’est la vie

[obtuse latch]

There's also phys to fire

[tidal furnace]

@pearl sluice you can be a fire build on anything you want to be

[static plinth]

I wish the maximum demonflame node was scalable somehow

Like max demonflame equal to 10% of unreserved spirit, or something

[honest hawk]

are there any "strike skills hit an additional target" type thing we've seen? Watching the reveal footage of monk and his hand of chayula applies a curse to two mobs when it "should" be just the one he hit

[thorny path]

You know demonflame is purely bad, right?

[static plinth]

Strike skills have a larger AoE by default

[pearl sluice]

How about a gun that shoots fire. Flamethrower build?

[misty shell]

Self curse 2.0, electric bugaloo

[static plinth]

Demonflame is what scales your damage

[tidal furnace]

@pearl sluice yes

[thorny path]

Read it again

[honest hawk]

very happy with the flame of chayula numbers

[thorny path]

It's just the degen

[static plinth]

Its also the % increased spell damage

[honest hawk]

darkness still seems terrible

[velvet blade]

Really depends on how many and how often the flames spawn. Having to chase flames around and hope it's the right one seems super annoying

[true gulch]

stormweaver is very nice, you can chill and shock even with fire skills. u also can go archmage MoM, stormweaver gives nice mana for that

[thorny path]

Literally just read the demon form tooltip

[native widget]

you know what, thats not a bad idea

[midnight bolt]

op leech. not blocked by anything

[pseudo charm]

anyone remember what the inherent bonus for int is again? mana and something else?

[hoary plover]

think this would work on temp chains?

[shrewd socket]

if demonflame makes us lose hp per secound, doesnt that prevent the recharge from starting?

[velvet blade]

2 mana

[honest hawk]

I believe you but is there anywhere I can find out about this?

[static plinth]

Life loss is not damage

[pseudo charm]

just 2 mana?

[true gulch]

yeah my main plan is Fireball with wildshards. and firewall with the circle support.

[velvet blade]

per int

[tidal furnace]

wish the demon for was action speed

[pseudo charm]

mmkay. thanks.

[static plinth]

No idea im afraid, second hand information

[honest hawk]

I'm noticing the aoe tag on my use case strike skill so it checks out

[static plinth]

Also for Hand of Chayula specifically im thinking Hex Bloom is a must take if you want to use it on anything but bosses

[misty shell]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZpIbaTXJD4g @like 36mins, gets 4 in 5s but they look like they arent tied to mobs, just in the map

[shrewd socket]

is the hp recharge from enternal youth based on my hp oder still on ES?

[static plinth]

Its based on max Life

33.3% by default but ES recharge passives still work on it

[midnight bolt]

still thinking monk is garbage lmfao? where is your leech resistance?

[thorny path]

idk point it out for me

[honest hawk]

im looking at doing a hand of chayula/hexblast build

[thorny path]

I'm kinda missing the "leech resistance has no effect" ascendancy node

[static plinth]

You get ~5x the spirit of a normal character dont you? It seems pretty good, just the damage node seems dogshit

[warped viper]

do we know for sure what Intelligence gives us? I've heard mixed things. does it still give this:
Every 1 intellgence stats +1 mana
Every 5 intelligence grants 1% increased spell damage

[tidal furnace]

gonna suck when my leech gets shut down by an angry rare

its 600 potential health

[true gulch]

2mana only per 1int

[tidal furnace]

that reduces your damage when you most need it

[warped viper]

thats it? thank you

[tidal furnace]

and prevents your from running reservation

[warped viper]

yea i also heard that wasnt sure it was 100% confirmed

[pearl sluice]

Ok what if I wanted to play lightning god

[midnight bolt]

literally this, 1 shard is leech, can scale up values to absurd levels and isnt blocked by any resistances, spawns 1 shard per second so plenty of sustian

[tidal furnace]

its dogshit

[static plinth]

Dang Gemling is even better than i thought

[pseudo charm]

ikr. archmage gemling?

[tidal furnace]

Gemling seems like a nerf waiting to happen

[static plinth]

Any kind of stat stacking, but yeah archmage seems best

[tidal furnace]

like ooh ya I just have more supports than you

[thorny path]

oh no, 200 life every 5 seconds for 4 ascendancy points, how OP

clearly leech resist has no power here

[velvet blade]

What does negative armor do? Make you take increased physical damage?

[static plinth]

I wonder if there's a cap to that

[tidal furnace]

If you wouldn't take the bastion of Elements on the elementalist I don't see why you would take darkness

[native widget]

Yes

[thorny path]

Hey come back, I still want to hear how 200 life every 5 seconds for 4 ascendancy points is OP

[fierce sleet]

@thorny path +1

[thorny path]

hmmm maybe it actually isn't?

[tidal furnace]

you're being toxic

[thorny path]

I didn't name myself

And to top it all off you have to physically collect the flames too 🤣

oh no the insane regen

[tidal furnace]

but its a shiny 14% leech that you have to hope to get

[velvet blade]

There's pretty big leech scaling plus doubling the base effect. Could probably easily get 20% instant roughly every second

[thorny path]

yeah scaled off your life

[velvet blade]

Not bad at all

[true gulch]

when i play archmage fireball, should i use a weapon with +5 fire gem level or +5 lightning gem level?

[thorny path]

which is why it's not a problem that leech resist even cares about

[static plinth]

Fire gem level most likely. Archmage will probably not scale as well

[native widget]

both. duh

[native widget]

but there is no such thing as +5 fire gem level

theres +5 fire spell skills

archmage is a buff not a skill

[thorny path]

pretty please with a cherry on top could you please convince us that 4 ascendancy points for 40 life/second is a good idea?

[static cipher]

can you scale the 40life/s

[thorny path]

nope!

[static cipher]

then no

lol

[thorny path]

yeah but I want to hear @midnight bolt arguments

[static cipher]

fair

[thorny path]

since they were SOOOOO convinced it was op

and now they're nowhere to be found!

[static cipher]

👀

[true gulch]

yeah thats what i meant. overall i should scale %lightning dmg because my archmage dmg gonna be way higher. but not sure about the weapon skill lvl

[fierce sleet]

savage as fk, i love it XD

[static cipher]

can we talk about how stupidly OP is

[native widget]

i think you missed my point

there isnt a line that can buff archmage level on weapons

[thorny path]

Very strong, won't know how op until people actually play it tho

Combined with the +3 skill slots he kinda needs it

[static cipher]

does it indicate you can use like 2 skills EACH? or only ONE twice?

[thorny path]

It's for support gems

[static cipher]

right

but let me explain better

[static plinth]

Each support twice

[static cipher]

sorry im stupid

yes

[thorny path]

Usually you can only use each once, now you can use each twice

[velvet blade]

Does chill magnitude turn into freeze or are those two completely seperate things?

[static cipher]

thats what I meant xD

[thorny path]

oh you mean the same skill

[static cipher]

thats disgusting

no I meant like

EVERY gem twice or JUST one

it got anwsered

and that sounds broken

[thorny path]

every support gem twice yeah

[static cipher]

jeeeeezus

[true gulch]

oh true. well what if it has 90% lightning dmg? better than 90% fire dmg?

[tidal furnace]

busted

[static cipher]

im sold

[static plinth]

Idk about broken

[static cipher]

for melee gemling seems busted

[thorny path]

Still a limit of one of those uses for a single skill gem I assume

[wintry ingot]

Do we know if minion skill gems also have the spell tag, e.g. Summon Skeletal Warrior, etc.

[thorny path]

That would be the actually broken part if it worked like that

[static plinth]

Seems more like QoL with stuff like Faster Attacks

[native widget]

maybe, not sure

[static cipher]

Yea my entire build is like lovingly embracing faster attacks

so hyuge for me

im faststunbonk build

xD

[thorny path]

No minions generally are not spells. Some spells exist that create minions tho (Unearth), and they have both spell and minion tag

[static cipher]

are there support gems that add +stun? Like the stun you can find in the passive tree? Like applying stun faster?

[static plinth]

I think so

[static cipher]

bruh. x-x

insta-stun

everything

lol

[static cipher]

😮

80%!?!?!??!?!?!

and I can use that twice

so 2 skills will be at like 150% stun buildup

with attack speed 2h maces

gross

[thorny path]

Well you still have to invest in stun buildup on the tree, maybe even on gear too

[static cipher]

I have like

80% in my build

so that stack is disgusting

[native widget]

ahh, melee merc?

[static cipher]

yessir

[wintry ingot]

In POE 1 minion skill have spell tag, like summon specter and summon zombie, hence you can scale them with + spell level craft on wands. Want to know if the same applies to POE w

2*

[static cipher]

check the stun I got

its spread out

but it adds up alot

lol

[fading isle]

tree is out ?

[static cipher]

enough of it is

for me to make my build

but its missing like

35%?

there were a few minor points of speculation for me but check it out

[static plinth]

Id say like 70% of it is missing

[static cipher]

I made a build that works great ALREADY?

so if the rest of the gems give me info

my build will only improve xD

skills*

[thorny path]

yeah they don't have spell tag for that, I'd assume a +level to minion skills mod exists for that

[thin basin]

chances are, minion have minion tags and whatever element tag if they use spells

[static cipher]

there are minion nodes in mercenary too

gem gunna be great for minion

[honest hawk]

your quarterstaff will not effect this damage at all right? Curious about the 122% attack damage scaling

[static cipher]

its an unarmed attack

[static plinth]

No it wouldnt

[static cipher]

so I dont think so

[static plinth]

122% would affect the added chaos damage i think

[honest hawk]

another palm skill says in the blue mods that your weapon doesn't contribute

[static plinth]

And any other added damage you get

[honest hawk]

and that one doesn't say it

[static cipher]

"This skill always strikes with your bare fist, even if you have a Quarterstaff equipped"

[wintry ingot]

Ah, that's unfortunate, I was hoping demonic form with the + spell level buff would scale minion level as well :/

[static cipher]

Man the ascendancy reveal got me tweaking bro

😢

[honest hawk]

"this attack does not benefit from weapons"

just weird they dont all say that

[thorny path]

They are looking into demon form since they want it to be good with minions, maybe later in EA

[static cipher]

yea thats true

sorta odd how only that one is doing that

[pseudo charm]

pre-release info. it'll probably say ingame

[honest hawk]

im going to use hand of chayula as my single target skill and no one can stop me

except the bosses that won't allow me to continue

[static cipher]

I havent looked into skills deeply, what's a good single target dualwield melee ability?

I saw some AOE stuff

but nothing like as a 1 key yet

[midnight bolt]

you are cooked if u dont see how it works, you go MoM stack as much mana and ES as you can, then scale all the % mana leech, 1 shard will give you 14% max mana as mana AND es, then with increased leech you easily double that, you spawn 1 shard per second, thats insane sustain just on shards without any leech from spells or attacks

and since you dont leech from any mobs it is not blocked by any reductions, and you sustain both mana and es by just moving around and picking up blue shards

[static cipher]

https://tenor.com/view/mind-blown-brain-explode-gif-11276179

can you go more in depth for 89 IQ individual in terms of what you mean by all of that I dont know what skills are doing what, other than MoM from a vague glance xD

for example how are you scaling mana leech

[warped viper]

every level gives 12 life and 4 mana right?

can someone confirm i got that right?

[static cipher]

I think unless you get a str node for that level right?

[midnight bolt]

they leaked/showed couple passives on the tree that increase mana leech and im sure some of small ascendency nodes will do the same, MoM is mind over matter

[warped viper]

im not counting attributes

just the level itself

[static cipher]

sounds borked to me but im a bonker so my opinion only matters for bonking

[honest hawk]

close combat support should max out with hand of chayula right? or maybe it will think the location you dash from as where your attacking

[thorny path]

Ohhhh so you can bypass the leech resist mechanic that exists to make you actually invest in leech by.....actually investing in leech.....

[pseudo charm]

should be able to get 100% increased amount of mana leech on the tree easily

[thorny path]

whatever floats your boat buddy!

[static cipher]

im confused again 😢

[pseudo charm]

how long are leech instances now? 1sec?

[midnight bolt]

?? you bypassing it by not leeching from MOBS lmfao cause you leech from picking up shards

[thorny path]

by default yeah

[static cipher]

I think its 1s but you can instaleech right?

[honest hawk]

I heard ben make sure ppl noted that the ES part will be 14% of your mana amount still into ES, not your total ES

[thorny path]

Tell misha that, I already knew that part

I don't think Misha can read tho 😦

[honest hawk]

I replied to wrong person

it was supposed to be misha

@midnight bolt

[thorny path]

quick tell me what 14% of 300 is?

[pseudo charm]

42

[midnight bolt]

u think endgame MoM build will have 300 mana?

u cooked out of your mind m8

[static cipher]

https://tenor.com/view/aneurysm-hhhhomeboyyyy-kings-dark-tidings-saga-by-kel-kade-reaperleviathan-head-explode-gif-21578105

[thorny path]

ooooooohhhh my bad I was missing the part where this entire setup needed EVEN MORE INVESTMENT

[pseudo charm]

imagine having 300mana lol

[static cipher]

this is why melee is far superior. bonk, ded, loot.

xD

(I kid)

[midnight bolt]

I mean MoM was an obvious choice on chalupa monk from the get go when they showd those acsendencies, cause you leech both mana and es at the same tme

so ye u have to invest

[static cipher]

chalupa lol

[midnight bolt]

lol its a local meme

[neat dew]

I want to make an unarmed monk, bitchslapping my way through the game

[static cipher]

xD

[thorny path]

Ohhhhhhh I see so leech resist works then, great!

[static cipher]

https://tenor.com/view/slap-slapping-slapped-slaps-face-slap-happy-gif-23993613

[thorny path]

Glad I could clear this up for you!

[midnight bolt]

u have to be trolling lmfao or serious reading comprehension

[fierce sleet]

so chalupa gameplay is runing around map? i mean meh

[thorny path]

"I'm gonna bypass this mechanic that makes me invest in leech, by investing in leech" - @midnight bolt

[hearty oracle]

Do u guys think ancestral boosted slam will work on both the two hits patterns of Rolling Slam?

[neat dew]

Yeah this, although thematically the warrior might be better and then spec into the monk tree

[upper cargo]

So am I correct in understanding someone said level 80+ you get a 6 link for your ascendancy skill? Meaning I have to find 5 gems for this? Bruh not enough gems

[static cipher]

titan has some insane ascendancy stuff prob be nasty

im addicted to gemling legionaire pls convince me im stupid

xD

[thorny path]

Should work on the entirety of a single skill usage, so yes

[dry burrow]

Any build ideas for the acolyte monk ascendant?

[thorny path]

They've added a ton of supports in poe2, they hope it won't be a problem

[hearty oracle]

Awesome if that works. Then again, it is no longer as powerful as poe1

[native widget]

you should worry more about not enough slots lmao

[neat dew]

I don't understand how the nodes and stuff work well enough to know if the gimmick is good or bad. But it sounds unique at least

[honest hawk]

I have this fully theorycrafted with a spell weapon swap setup for aoe clear

[static cipher]

I just want the 2nd support gem for every gem xD

and 10% quality cant be bad right?

and more skills is helpful in a pinch

[neat dew]

How is it going to work though, aren't you missing the bonus stats from having a weapon?

[pseudo charm]

@midnight bolt my concern is with Into the Breach skill itself. if you use it in a boss arena, then pick up all the flames in the arena. would there be new flames when you cast it again?

[upper cargo]

So does the ascendancy skill take one of the 9 slots or is it a 10th slot

[static cipher]

psure 10th dont quote me

[midnight bolt]

they spawn every second

[honest hawk]

I'm under the impression they keep spawming

[midnight bolt]

on max level

[honest hawk]

its a buff you keep on

into the breach

[pseudo charm]

oh shit. i didnt see the buff part

thats kinda cracked

thought it was like the breach gem in poe1

[static cipher]

what are the flames you're talking about?

[static cipher]

purple flames stack with that one weird chaos passive really good

[warped viper]

does stun with ES still work the same?

[honest hawk]

the unarmed monk skills won't be using your weapon damage, I'm looking at literally going unarmed/shield + weapon swap spell setup for clear

[static cipher]

where it does damage you take as chaos damage to them

[warped viper]

you avoid 50% of stuns when you have ES?

i do see theres alot of stun threshold on the tree as well for ES

[shrewd socket]

is it worth using increased aoe on hexblast? it has 9 max targets but the explosion would be 2m instead of 1,6. is it worth?

[honest hawk]

the palm skills have base damage on the gem like spells

[thorny path]

Won't know until we play, but probably not

[honest hawk]

hand of chayula / hexblast build guide coming soon

[thorny path]

Oh so you ARE still here!

Remind me how leech is free again pls

[honest hawk]

they blocked you xdd

[tidal furnace]

Thats gonna be great

[thorny path]

4 ascendancy points sounds expensive!

[tidal furnace]

I feel like Arguing

[honest hawk]

with who

[tidal furnace]

Toxic the leech is going to be amazing

[thorny path]

Let the record show she started it

[woven sinew]

Let the record show that I just walked in

[tidal furnace]

it's a great augment to a MOM build where you're already investing heavily into max mana

[woven sinew]

Without context

[midnight bolt]

not expensive considering u also get added 140% dmg as chaos, sounds like plenty

[tidal furnace]

oh ok yall continue the fight Ill watch instead

[woven sinew]

Anyway since I’m here

https://tenor.com/view/kenan-thompson-eating-popcorn-saturday-night-live-chewing-nod-gif-15769695

[velvet blade]

Those 4 nodes would be pretty damn good. roughly 20% es and mana regained instantly roughly every second, and up to 140% extra damage as chaos after a bit

[thorny path]

hmmmm that's not exactly what you said now is it?

[native widget]

This guy is the biggest coper i ever seen lmfao

[thorny path]

Leech resist hit you so hard you think 4 ascendancy points is free!

See a doctor!

[woven sinew]

As long as you don’t run into a situation where regen isn’t also disabled.

[near acorn]

Some truly deranged chatting happening in here, huh 👀

[thorny path]

Doesn't sound free to me!

[velvet blade]

Bro chose the "it isn't technically free" hill to die on

[midnight bolt]

fr name checks

[honest hawk]

I don't see any dex/int shields on poe2db

[cerulean onyx]

Can someone help me understand mercenary? It appears to be objectively one of the most powerful ascendancies as it basically just gives you chunks of percentage damage to enemies. Am I maybe overvaluing it?

I'm considering it in comparison to Invoker and Chayula monk, goal is to go staff probably with flicker strike ambitions

[tidal furnace]

yeah need shadow for those

monk doesn't need a shield Monk has stick

[woven sinew]

Monk is at peace knowing he has access to 140% damage for just 4 ascendancy points

[viscid radish]

Monk goes bonk!

[tidal furnace]

Potentially

[honest hawk]

imagine playing the class the way its intended

[tidal furnace]

140% potential damage

[woven sinew]

Potential damage yes

[honest hawk]

surely the dmg flames refreshing stack duration and not being individual will make it to release

[tidal furnace]

Surely it wont drop off when the Purple flame is in the bosses ground AOE and you just watch your damage drop off

[static cipher]

man supposedly elon musk is in misc1 but I dont buy it, im sitting here, and people barely shut up long enough for him to say anything, ive got everyone muted lol

😐

[woven sinew]

There he is

[floral ledge]

its not elon lol

[static cipher]

yea wife and I are leaning towards that

he had a weird emotional reaction and she immediately said naw

[floral ledge]

ion think so, he was in a talking to elon live on twitter so ion think thats possible if hes elon

[static cipher]

but the owner of the discord said it was him

[thorny path]

reaction to what

[static cipher]

https://tenor.com/view/dean-winchester-supernatural-relatable-relatablemoods-gif-7719768255809338997

[floral ledge]

no clue

[static cipher]

someone said they used apple

and he like screamed "APPLE?!?!?!"

lol

[thorny path]

unlucky

[floral ledge]

yeah

very interesting honestly

but i dont think hes elon

[static cipher]

it sorta sounds like him tho, is this a weird social media grift

i dont get it

[floral ledge]

ig we would never know

[static cipher]

mute everyone, and when he talks you can sorta analyze it lol

[floral ledge]

cant prove nothing

yeah i did

[thorny path]

don't use voices to identify people on the internet

[static cipher]

like right there?

[floral ledge]

he said "autistic"

[static cipher]

it sounded legit lol

[floral ledge]

idk if he can say that

[static cipher]

well he's autistic, I mean

and technically like

not on his official acc

idk

[floral ledge]

he was saying "cooked"

does elon say that

[static cipher]

yea but did you see him jump on stage?

and the face he made?

he prob does who knows xD

[floral ledge]

no when did that happen

[static cipher]

Trump speech, he made an orgasm face

I can try to find

lol

zoom in on his face

xD

[floral ledge]

lol

also hes playing diablo 4

and elon says he plays diablo 4

and lots of similarities

[static cipher]

yea but I dont buy that I feel like he hired someone to get him high rank

xD

[floral ledge]

completely possible

i dont play the game i cant say

[static cipher]

just in terms of time schedule idk, anyway, I dont mean to get so offtopic

[floral ledge]

@lucid hawk

[static cipher]

there were a few slots, figured i'd try and get more opinions xD

[knotty spruce]

So what would reducing a bosses actionspeed by 90% even look like lol does it take ages to cast its things? Giving plenty of time to dodge or

[cinder badge]

Chronomancer is disappointing.

Very little power and flavor for the trade-off of having to manage rotating buffs and bloating active skills that you already have to manage—zero effect on debuffs, delay of damage, and zero movement speed bonuses.

• Apex of the Moment should have been a free Temporal Chains, instead of a 20% movement speed slow.
• Circular Heartbeat should have been a **Progenesis **type of damage delay, instead of damage recoup. (I like they mixed up the flavor and fantasy of "time" with the Blood Mage.)
• Time Freeze (60+ second cooldown AND diminished repeat effectiveness) (and the other active skills Time Snap (30+ second cooldown) and Temporal Rift) is very undertuned and offer little that damaging (chill/freeze) skills would do better.
• Permanent, 100% uptime, and flavorful power that brings unique benefits that other Ascendencies have is sorely missing. Having Second Wind Support (more charges for skills with them) usable on multiple skills or Hourglass Support (+8 cooldown to skills but 35%+ more damage) would be amazing and lean the class into its fantasy and playstyle.
• The Chronomancer will be starved for Support Gems: you want to use your 1 Second Wind Support on one of your fancy Time spells, but you'd also want it for other spells too with a cooldown build. You want to use Hourglass to make any skill a cooldown skill, but only get to pick 1 support for each skill, including ones granted by ascendancy.

Long shot, but I was hoping for interaction with debuffs and damage over time effects. Imagine: you stack damage over time (such as Burning/Ignite), or area damage over a duration (such as Firestorm) and then manipulate time such that monsters take more damage in aa quick burst!

[modern tangle]

poe1 wiki:

Some monsters - mainly endgame and league bosses - have the hidden modifier CannotBeSlowedBelowValueBosses, preventing their action speed from dropping below 50%.

[knotty spruce]

Ay let me cope that its good ok?

[knotty spruce]

Aw well that sucks

[velvet blade]

What happens if you have a sceptre and you've reserved all your spirit and weapon swap to something other than a sceptre?

Can you decide which reservation skill breaks?

[knotty spruce]

Bro imagine Temporal decay. A dot that scales off of slowing effects

[velvet blade]

They'll probably tune up chronomance with cool stuff

[modern tangle]

They talked about a possible UI for deciding that but it won't be in EA at launch. It may be be related to order of activation...

[knotty spruce]

Ay hope so my fav powerfantasy deserves it

[velvet blade]

That makes sense

[knotty spruce]

Mb uniques might help with it?

[cinder badge]

I know! I was expecting at least some interaction with debuffs or dot

[velvet blade]

Yeah, damaging ailments could have had cool time-related interactions

They'll change things around if it seems really unpopular to play

[knotty spruce]

Was really hoping for a unique time attack like speeding up time n aging a mob or smth

i shall stan chrono no matter what

[velvet blade]

One of the best aspects of poe is the shifting meta so there's always new stuff to do each league

Also keeps powercreep at bay longer

[modern tangle]

@cinder badge Why do you think Apex of the Moment is only movement speed slow?

[knotty spruce]

Yeah i thought its a overall slow like action speed

[neat dew]

I mean flavor wise chrono is a dope ascendency, whether it works or not is a different question

[cinder badge]

I have read that wording in PoE 1 before, if it they dont say action speed, it usually means movement speed only. Happy to be wrong and encourage them to reword it

[modern tangle]

Apex: "Enemies in your Presence are Slowed by 20%."
poe2 Temporal Chains : "Cursed enemies are Slowed by 34%"

same keyword

[neat dew]

I'd expect them to have skills that reset cd for themselves and the party, revert health and manavto a previous point in time... mybe more of a support niche

[modern tangle]

admittedly the temporal chains tooltip we have could be old

[velvet blade]

What's the default amount of spirit after completing the acts?

[native widget]

180 allegedly

[velvet blade]

Dang, that's nice

[neat dew]

Or to trigger DoT effects more often since they manipulate time

Reset buffs and debuffs

[cinder badge]

damaging ailment dealing damage faster is the floor of what I was hoping for

[modern tangle]

they had both for themselves. Not surprising that it doesn't affect party. In Last Epoch, people get themselves killed with Volatile Reversal's position reversal already. xD

[neat dew]

We don't know all nodes so it could still be there

[cinder badge]

the Chronomancer is also starved for Support Gems. You want to use your 1 Second Wind Support on one of your fancy Time spells, but you also want it for other spells too.

You want to use Hourglass to make any skill and cooldown skills but only get to use 1 support for each skill, including ones granted by ascendancy

[modern tangle]

@Oida You have looked through official ascendancy info at https://www.pathofexile.com/forum/view-thread/3592012 right?

[neat dew]

I have not, I only saw those ascendencies and thought, yeah we already knew that

[modern tangle]

ok, well you might want to

[neat dew]

Lmao

[upbeat flax]

Have they said if trigger/meta gems will cause skills to cost mana?

[thorny path]

They still cost mana, yes

[neat dew]

I love the gw2 profile pick btw

[upbeat flax]

Thats so brutal

Back to cooking I guess

[modern tangle]

should change to something poe2 probably

[upbeat flax]

Build needs more time in the oven

[modern tangle]

but thanks ^^

[native widget]

guys, 2 more days 😭

[neat dew]

On monk invoker you have lead me to grace, boosting your spirit based on ES and evasion. If you take meditate to double ES would that also (temporarily) increase spirit even further? That might make invoker monk a fun ascendency for a minion build

[velvet blade]

It's based on the ES from your chest piece so no

[neat dew]

Sadge

[barren cargo]

how many ascendancy points will we get?

[serene locust]

8

[honest hawk]

what support gems would you link with spirit buff gems?

[thorny path]

We will find out on friday

[eternal meadow]

Definitely ones that give a buff while supported reservation is active, too low of opportunity cost to pass on them

[shy rune]

Does the dmg removed by decimating strike counts towards concentration damage

[thorny path]

Decimating Strike sounds to me like it isn't damage, it's life removal, so if I'm comprehending it correctly, no

[olive tide]

bruh did they release all ascendancies for real ? XD

[modern tangle]

If you look at the reveal footage where Decimating Strike is shown, and assume a certain debuff on the screen is concentration, then I would say no.

[eternal meadow]

In a clip from reveal boss loses like 20% and doesn't get stunned nor any noticable stun buildup, so I assume that's correct

[shy rune]

I cheked the showcase again and during the showcase of the skill, a dmg number appeared on top of the boss off the decimating strike, so not too sure

I may be coping and hoping that it works the way I want it to work, but still not 100% sure

[maiden karma]

Sad to see the ES beidat node get halved

But hey, minion warbringer is a possibility I guess

[pastel forge]

Losing like 20+ points just speccing north is the only issue probably

[shrewd socket]

does anyone know if we can anoit

[maiden karma]

It's a keystone

[pastel forge]

Keystones no I believe

[unreal girder]

Soooo, slam chronomancer anyone?

[lofty grotto]

jesus christ, Witch Hunter looks even more broken now

[honest hawk]

do we know how chill works? is the enmy just chilled while your building to freeze?

[honest hawk]

you can't annoint keystones

[neat dew]

Only the EA ones

[pearl sluice]

was there any mention of the availability of phys taken as in poe2?

[honest hawk]

there's some on infernalist ascendancy and I believe cloak of flame is in poe 2

its on the poe2db website at least

[raw coyote]

Yes cloak of flame is confirmed to exist in PoE2

[neat dew]

In poe1 they are separate ailments, so chill isn't building up to freeze. They are simply both a possible result from cold damage

Afaik that's the case for poe2 as well

[unreal girder]

Witch hunter is gonna be very vulnerable to dots

[sterile stone]

phys as chaos infernalist

ig that + cloak of flame = 70%?

[alpine fulcrum]

one node on the bottom right side of tree gives 5% of physical taken as random ele dmg

[pearl sluice]

haha I'm asking for witchhunter sorcery word synergy

[native widget]

what accendency for stormweaver to take tho? other than the two arcane surge nodes

[sterile stone]

oh theres taken as in the tree thats cool, so we can get pretty high taken as

[native widget]

i was thinking 2 stack shock + exposure

[pearl sluice]

yep just that one ig, I hope phys taken as ele outside cloak of flame/other ascendancies isnt low weight mods or rare uniques

has there been confirmed influenced items?

[unreal girder]

No influence items pretty sure

[pearl sluice]

🫠

[maiden karma]

Warbringer is almost perfect for dual wielding

Sadly 4th node is just dead

[native widget]

im thinking wether or not going over to dex int area for the 2 ailment and 1 crit node will be worth it

[modern tangle]

dex/int area is just for MONKeying around 🐒

[maiden karma]

I just want a balanced ascendancy with 2 offensive and 2 defensive nodes

[lyric tulip]

you sure it wont be worth it to annoint the strongest and focus on your area?

[lofty grotto]

dex/int is THE GOAT

[modern tangle]

I know, that's what I said. 🐵

[lofty grotto]

🐐

[sterile stone]

has there any info about how armour works in PoE2 or is it the same as PoE1

[native widget]

Idk, but rn im not sure wether or not i can keep up 2 stack shock on enemies especially bosses

[modern tangle]

armour tooltip says something vague about being worse against big hits. Assume to be similar design at least.

[maiden karma]

Based on Dreamcore's stat sheet video it looks to be identical

[native widget]

With the reduced shock duration on storm weaver

[maiden karma]

OH SHIT

GUYS

[native widget]

So i was thinking maybe I grab the increase ailment duration

[lyric tulip]

have a second ability thats used just for shock

[maiden karma]

MINION WARBRINGER NEGATIVE ARMOUR WILL BOOST MINION DAMAGE

[sterile stone]

what minion players usually use for max hit phys taken?

ig with poe2 i can just stack life/es

[native widget]

Ig i could...

[modern tangle]

converting phys dmg away from phys to make phys hits smaller is usually an option in poe1. We'll see.

[sterile stone]

bloodmage have very high synergy with high es body armour so not sure if i want to use cloak of flame

[lyric tulip]

theres a node on the tree

I think there is i think I saw one

[sterile stone]

someone said its on the right side of the tree so prolly too far

also infinite duration curse gonna be soo good with hexbloom for clear

[frail jay]

Time to figure out what ascendancy I will use for EI

[sterile stone]

theres prolly a way for curse increased effect every #second on monster

[maiden karma]

AI image, therefore cope

[frail jay]

Nah elemental slam bleed bloodmage will probably be good

[earnest gyro]

what is the goto ea planner atm ?

[tidal furnace]

IGnite Bleed Explosion Bloodmage

[frail jay]

btw what's up with Chonk, is the instant leech just so good that the rest of the ascendancy has to be awful?

[frigid hill]

MoM chonk looks okay

idk where u get ur damage tho

[maiden karma]

Clearly they are afraid of jade club technology

[lyric tulip]

honestly i think people are overastimating instant leech

[frigid hill]

it bypasses MoM's downside is the thing

[lyric tulip]

we dont know leech mechanics

[frail jay]

I mean it's just a matter of if you can get damage to the point where it basically full heals you per hit

[native widget]

Only downside of manaleech is that its limited to attacks

[lyric tulip]

in in later tiers monsters have leech resistance

[frail jay]

instant leech is very simple mechanically, yes there's leech resistance but I doubt that's going to be significant enough once you actually do a lot of damage

[lyric tulip]

its hard to know before playing

[frail jay]

if leech resist was that strong, leech would basically be useless

[native widget]

Well you got 4 choices, bloodmage, storm weaver, chonk, invoker

[frail jay]

Nah, I think it's Infernalist, Stormweaver, Invoker, and Legionnaire

[native widget]

Well, instant leech ignores leech resistance is poe 1 no?

[ancient geyser]

leech res is just gonna be a thing so that when you pump millions of dps you are not leeching thousands

[frail jay]

leech resist isn't a thing in poe1

[ancient geyser]

you will still leech a good amount

[frail jay]

If the resist was that high that means people without mixmaxed builds that do crazy damage will just get nothing from leech

idk how they plan to balance leech resist when the difference in power between builds is usually quite large

[stuck ember]

i found the spell that chronomancer wants to reset with timesnap xd

[frigid hill]

that 30% is just a guesstimate though

[shrewd socket]

ofc

it depends on the mob anyway

[frail jay]

also I don't think that image is even accurate

[fierce sleet]

MoM give you 50% less mama recowery so from 14% mana leech u get 7,5% mana leech + u play packman

[shrewd socket]

bosses will have more then a white mob.. and it also dpends how many you hit

[maiden karma]

Can't help but notice that this doesn't specify just attacks

[frail jay]

doesn't say anything about leech duration or instances or instance cap or instance max

[frigid hill]

not with instant leech, on chayula monk

[native widget]

Even if its 99 or something you can still leech quite a bit

[ancient geyser]

that was just a numeric example i don't think it'll work that way either but it's nigh impossible to tell how they will approach certain things, i'd wager insta leech is broken on min maxed characters no matter what

[fierce sleet]

Like u get 14% leech oke, but MoM give you 50% less recowery so u get 7,5% so tell what is your point

[maiden karma]

Wonder if this would apply to totems as well

[frigid hill]

its says recovery Rate

[sterile stone]

i just wanna play pure minion build

[frigid hill]

if its instant, ur not reducing the rate of recovery

[sterile stone]

maybe fire minion infernalist...

arsonist, hound, srs, fire spectre

[maiden karma]

Apparently the hound has an ignite aura around it

[sterile stone]

i feel like theres no any synergy for minion with bloodmage

[maiden karma]

So archer gas arrows would detonate instantly

[honest hawk]

https://poe2skills.com/share?data=N4IgdghgtgpiBcICCB7AwgAgLIrAaxABoQAjAVwEsAbAEwQG1QBnPaqhEACwjBoxQBmGAMbcAnmSoQiIJmQAO8lACcALkwYgaMJvIgVlMgRCaqYyjBFWqIwvBuLCqKJjBEooJKzNEQXGKBMzZTEZCBptPl9-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-l79FjswjllUZqOFI-yhAenpHiA3ymPwYABDANpuFMN4qpsOiXtWJoGpWeQJKBMijrQTB2jQhYdrw5g1KOAiqJYRy+h0ZqpKkQA

ask me anything

[pastel forge]

Seems gemling or even titan is better for minions lmao

[maiden karma]

Warbringer

[static cipher]

gemling 2h dualwield stun meta x-x

[frigid hill]

warbringer titan sounds interesting ngl

[sterile stone]

thing is most minion nodes are scaling cast/atk speed & accuracy

and infernalist is ignite class

[frail jay]

infernalist minions seem quite good

[frigid hill]

beidat's will looks pretty nutty for minions

[bitter rain]

as a new upcomming PoE player, as far as i've seen about builds and classes i wonder if something like the bloodwitch combined with the monk is possible, sorry if i seem idiotic for my lack of knowledge 😄 thanks

[sterile stone]

its the best minion class for now so ig ill go with that

[pseudo kayak]

You mean two players grouping together?

[sterile stone]

i wonder if theres anything that would allows to stack ignite

[cerulean bear]

You can't mix ascendencies but you can mix everything else

[frail jay]

might be a unique like emberwake

[bitter rain]

no combined classes in 1 build

[frail jay]

remains to be seen if forbidden flesh/flame exist

[boreal pollen]

You think Witch will be complex for a new player? Its what I had in mind, looks mad fun

[cerulean bear]

Not for different classes entirely

[sterile stone]

yeah but thats like only 2, theres no benefit from having lots of minon doing fire damage/ignite

[pseudo kayak]

Ah then no. Though you can certainly do a melee bloodwitch or a castery monk :/

[cerulean bear]

They said bloodmage and monk

[sterile stone]

its not but we dont have minion ascendancy rn

we have bloodmage and sudo minion infernalist

[maiden karma]

Warbringer 🗿

[frail jay]

Skeletal Arsonist Ignite probably gonna be quite big

[cerulean bear]

Yeah theres no "pure" minion class, but thats by design

[sterile stone]

pure minion build is one of simplest build ever

[frail jay]

Step 1: Get a big minion Step 2: Give big minion RF Step 3: Explode big minion

[sterile stone]

well we dont have 3rd ascendancy which hopefully minions

[bitter rain]

my reasoning for it was i can leach health and up my bleeding magnitude with all the elemental abilities from monk

[strange bay]

As a new player, I also wanted to roll minion build. Do minions benefit from any stats, weapon damage or something?

[frail jay]

Yeah I wonder how good warbringer damage/clear with the totems is gonna be

I am honestly VERY tempted to play warbringer because of the block node

[cerulean bear]

I think if you wanted to go pure minions, then I would just use bloodmage as a defensive core

[frail jay]

Having GB Aegis Aurora from tree is gonna be silly

[sterile stone]

only if it says minion on the sentence

[cerulean bear]

Otherwise I'd go for infernalist for a more active playstyle with SRS and fire skills

[frail jay]

Infernalist is probably better for pure minions

[strange bay]

Thanks a ton

[frail jay]

It gets a LOT of extra spirit

and it has the dog

[cerulean bear]

Thats fair

I think the playstyle will be different

and the spirit is at the cost of life

[sterile stone]

yeah the spirit reservation node is huge synergy

[frail jay]

I mean it's very much going to depend on the type of minions you play

[cerulean bear]

You just have to get defenses elsewhere

[frail jay]

since most minions have active skills now

[cerulean bear]

The defensive core of bloodmage is really good though

[frail jay]

you take the node that gives you ES based on life too?

[cerulean bear]

leech, progenesis, and life overflow

[cerulean bear]

you mean the life from ES on chest?

[frigid hill]

1 per 8 sounds not great imo

[cerulean bear]

oh nvm the infernalist node

[frail jay]

You only need 100% increased ES for the ES to be equal to the reserved life, and I think you can get a lot more than 100% increased ES

[pseudo kayak]

depending on how simple / beginner friendly we're talking, I think infernalist is probably the most straightforward minion build.

get extra spirit ascendancy node, pump it into lots of spectres, build done?

[frail jay]

there's nodes with like 60% increased ES on the tree

[frigid hill]

yea i just dont like the recovery we've seen for ES so far

[frail jay]

that's fair

[frigid hill]

the best is that stun support gem, forgot the name

[cerulean bear]

and slower recovery

err recharge

[subtle lichen]

Is there any limitation or restriction or something related to permanent minion respawn itself

[frail jay]

no just a cooldown basically

[cerulean bear]

Any of you guys know what "gain X% of damage as fire damage" means compared to "as extra fire damage"?

[frail jay]

it's all done at once after base damage is calculated

[cerulean bear]

Ive heard the cooldown for revival resets after each minion death so chained deaths is worse than all at once

which is which?

as extra is after the full calc?

[sterile stone]

eh really? i dont think thats the case

[subtle lichen]

How long? Different for each minion type?

[frail jay]

so in poe1 if you have 100 lightnign and gain 25% as cold, in damage calculation after adding 25 cold it will check for fire/chaos conversion too. In PoE2 it will just add 25 cold and that can't be converted beyond that and only scales with cold mods not lightning.

[frail jay]

We don't know

[cerulean bear]

Once person said 6 sec and a vid I watched looked like 3

[subtle lichen]

Gotcha seems like minion chain death could prevent respawn for a very long time, especially when you have a lot

[cerulean bear]

I understand the conversion part, I'm just curious what the difference is between "as extra"

[ancient geyser]

you will use skeletal clerics

[cerulean bear]

clerics skips this

their revive is every 4 seconds regardless

[ancient geyser]

i think minions are gonna be pretty good

[frail jay]

is there a wording difference in poe2 with 2 different mods using extra and not?

[dusky tartan]

I have insane build cooked

[frail jay]

Yeah minions should be good, one of the builds I am really considering

[dusky tartan]

titan shockwave totem

[ashen mango]

This might sound dumb, but I was reading the warbringer ascension for the warrior sand saw this “Warcaller’s Bellow: Corpses in your Presence Explode when you Warcry,
dealing 25% of their Life as Physical Damage”

Could you get a spectral summon with high HP and spam desecrate and Warcallers Bellow?

[dusky tartan]

best build evah

[cerulean bear]

yeah. Look at seething body on infernalist and reality rending on acolyte of chayula

[frail jay]

desecrate isn't a thing

[frigid hill]

afaik there's no desecrate in poe2

[dusky tartan]

no corpse explosion either

so yeah

[cerulean bear]

I haven't seen desicrate either

theres detonate dead

[subtle lichen]

Huh what's
cleric

[cerulean bear]

skeletal cleric

its a minion that can revive others

[frail jay]

oh yeah that's weird, idk

[subtle lichen]

Ooo

Seems like a must

[cerulean bear]

Yeah probably 2 for a pure minion character

[ancient geyser]

https://tenor.com/view/poe2-login-poe2-gif-17607649316887088565

[warped viper]

guys does mana tempest beam ability only work with balllightning?

[cerulean bear]

no

oh wait

[warped viper]

and the way its worded, we need to already have chain for it to chain more?

[frail jay]

no?

[warped viper]

it doesnt give chain right? it only gives fork to it?

[frail jay]

just anything that chains

[warped viper]

this DOES give it +2 chain?

[frail jay]

there's like 4-5 skills that chain

it's not +2 chain, it's +2 targets

[warped viper]

it says it needs beams to chain doesnt it

[warped viper]

this wouldnt work with arc would it

[cerulean bear]

yeah so for example with arc, the main arc will do its normal chain

but the initial hit will also hit 2 more targets

[warped viper]

why is there text that says 'beam' in there

[frail jay]

we also don't know if the +2 targets is vaal arc

[frail jay]

oh wait no it's normal arc nvm

[cerulean bear]

the 2 additional targets can't get extra chains though

[frail jay]

so it's uh

[warped viper]

BL fires beams

arc does not mention beams afaik

[frail jay]

It's this

[warped viper]

what makes u think this works on anything but ball lightning tho

read the wording carefully

[frail jay]

The fact that I'm not an idiot

Using the word beam as a technical term from a super outdated tooltip from a playtest half a year ago

[cerulean bear]

poe2db "beam" shows ball lightning galvanic shards, lightning arrow, lightning rod, and shockchain arrow

[frail jay]

when it will obviously work with all lightning chains

[cerulean bear]

shockchain arrow specifically has beam in its tag

[warped viper]

this skill also suggests that fire and cold spells get 60% as extra lightning dmg

[cerulean bear]

or description

[warped viper]

and no mana penalty

[cerulean bear]

all skills get the benefit of damage

[frail jay]

the mana penalty is the cost of the skill increasing

[warped viper]

so i guess this WONT work for ball lightning then, unless you add chain support

[cerulean bear]

or at least spells

[frail jay]

which you might get to bypass mostly on infernaliost

[warped viper]

and it says ONLY lighting spells have the mana penalty lol

[cerulean bear]

just use lifetap support and its free

[warped viper]

im going CI

so for ball lighting this would fork but not chain, correct?

cuz it doesnt have built in chain like arc does

[frail jay]

Well it only says it works on spells yes

tbh who knows with BL

[warped viper]

i think the description is all sorts of fucked, its hard to know

[cerulean bear]

it would only do the chain with BL

[frail jay]

Like I imagine these tooltips are kinda bad

[cerulean bear]

cause ball lightning isn't a projectile

actually this is a weird one

[frail jay]

Essence Drain had a fucked tooltip in PoE1 that said it did things it didn't for like 2 years

[warped viper]

it is

[cerulean bear]

cause I don't think the main ball lightning would fork

maybe it does

shrug

[warped viper]

this is just test it day 1 kind of thing

[frail jay]

ball lightning can't fork in PoE1, who knows if it will work like that in PoE2

[warped viper]

fork chain and pierce support are fucked in poe2

so if this can give you these effects without the negative downside

its pretty impressive

[frail jay]

BL is a moving area projectile in PoE1

how would you ge tthe effects with no downside?

[cerulean bear]

if ED can fork now then its gonna be busted

[shrewd socket]

can dots cull an enemy?

[warped viper]

the fork SUPPORT has a dps penalty

[frail jay]

no

[warped viper]

this isnt adding fork support its just forking the spell

[frail jay]

Yeah but like, where does that give you a ST DPS increase?

[cerulean bear]

only if its a lightning spell

which you then have to pay the increasing mana cost

[warped viper]

im talking about the downside of the support gem for getting fork that way

[cerulean bear]

fork only reduces damage after forking

[warped viper]

so this might reduce the dmg as well

[frail jay]

And that can support things that can actually gain damage from forking

like fireball

[warped viper]

maybe thats just inherent to all forks/chains/pierce now

[frail jay]

I don't think there are any lightning projectiles that gain increase STDPS by forking

no, that's part of the support

Because there are skills that can hit a target again if they fork

I don't think any of those skills are lightning projectile spells though

[cerulean bear]

Chaining off of walls could potentially increase damage post fork

[warped viper]

p sure spark can but you never would do that because you want pierce

[cerulean bear]

but that depends on if chaining can occur after forking in poe2

[warped viper]

and with the order of the applications you just cant fork as well

[frail jay]

oh true, spark probably can

Yeah that's pretty good with spark

but still, there's the mana cost

and you have to stand in the area

[warped viper]

'Pierce has first priority for projectile behaviours, followed by fork, chain, then return'

so you would have to not use pierce basically

but i guess pierce has a terrible downside now lol

so u may not want to use it anyway

i think u can just inspiration this buff

[cerulean bear]

is it confirmed that projectile behavior is the same?

[warped viper]

to cut the mana cost

its not but would u assume they change that order

[cerulean bear]

idk, just had to ask

[warped viper]

fork, chain, pierce would be ideal for a player i think

[golden swan]

Yes. Given that several other basic ordered systems like damage conversion don’t work as in PoE1.

[warped viper]

i would assume status quo unless told differently but youre right

u cant assume anything

[frail jay]

I mean there needs to be some logic to projectile behavior, idk why they would change it

you can't do what they did to damage conversion

[pseudo kayak]

Has anyone done any aurabot or even partial support co-op build theorycrafting?

[warped viper]

it would be too powerful if they changed the order

i would not assume they would change the order in our favor but ya cant say for sure

[pale anchor]

Is there any way to build bloodmage for spells instead of minion build?

[golden swan]

The only ‘support’ talk I’ve seen is talking about sceptres having ‘Allies gain’ buffs. So a party of minion builds is probably insane.

[warped viper]

snapOW will prob make content on that soon

[cerulean bear]

https://discord.com/channels/174993814845521922/1313195596709892107

[warped viper]

i would think

[pseudo kayak]

o.O

[cerulean bear]

Theres alot of discussion in there for archmage, but the consesus is that stormweaver is just better for the most part. IMO non archmage would be a better synergy though

At some point I'd like to dive into slam bloodmage though

[ancient geyser]

bloodmage is super flexible when it comes to caster builds tbh i doubt anyone is doing bloodmage pets when infernalist is straight up better

[cerulean bear]

I think alot of people are just focusing so much on the offensives that classes bring which is more of a poe1 mentality

I think people are underrating defenses and recovery to increase time on target

[golden swan]

I’m mostly looking at Gemling. Strength stacking Gemling just seems like it would insanely unkillable.

[cerulean bear]

let me check that out

[frail jay]

what do you do offensively with that str?

[golden swan]

Yeah that’s the question I’m asking myself.

[cerulean bear]

could try running corrupted blood

Not sure how that scales though

[golden swan]

But then Warbringer would just be better yeah?

[frail jay]

that seems like it will suck without being able to ignore warcry cd

[pseudo kayak]

except those monks going instant leech with MoM +ES 🙂

[frail jay]

warbringer looks insanely tanky

anyone who has played an aegis build in poe1 should understand this

[cerulean bear]

I don't think the leech is gonna be as good

but thats just my opinion

[frail jay]

I think the issue with the instant leech is going to be downtime on your big hitters, you'll need to do something that does consistent damage constantly

[cerulean bear]

and in terms of damage, youre only decent source is the flames of chayula from that entire ascendency

[golden swan]

True Warbringer looks good. I just can’t get over the double life and easy ele-res Gemling has. Seems like it MUST be good even if it’s kinda bland.

[cerulean bear]

if you want good max res, you need to spend 3 ascendencies though for nodes 4-5-6

[frail jay]

I think the problem with gemling is it doesn't have any obvious way to solve damage because we lack info about what you can really do when you're less restricted by supports and attributes

[cerulean bear]

and that removes your ability to get double inherent bonuses from stats

[frail jay]

yknow we do have most supports listed, what supports are busted when you get 2

[cerulean bear]

wonder if you can double up on buffs

[golden swan]

Not from what I’m seeing. Two to get double stat bonuses, two to get max res.

[cerulean bear]

doubt it but its an interesting thought

[cerulean bear]

that prevents you from getting double support gems

[golden swan]

So?

[cerulean bear]

which is how you're gonna get the most out of your max res

unless you just shove wasted supports in those random skills just for the sake of max res

[golden swan]

That’s the plan yeah. Gonna have more skills than I’m gonna use.

[pseudo kayak]

Yea, I was originally really big on leech archmage trigger monk but I'm shying away from it for a first character.

[cerulean bear]

Idk, each max res is effectively 4% less damage for each element that you get 4 gems

I think thats overrated for 2 ascendency points

[frail jay]

I'm still probably going for the EI abuser build, but really conflicted between stormweaver and infernalist

[cerulean bear]

my brains small, whats EI again?

[frail jay]

elemental invocation

[pseudo kayak]

What exactly makes EI different from cast on crit/shock triggers?

[cerulean bear]

could monk have synergy with unbound elements?

[frail jay]

it doesn't have an energy gain restriction of once per skill use

[cerulean bear]

it looks like its selfcast

[frail jay]

incendiary shot can just give you 250 energy in 1 click, 500 with chain and 2 mobs

[pseudo kayak]

oh I see. I missed that

[solid flume]

I want to try infernalist non-minion build with altered flesh, demonic possesion, mastered darkness, and either pyromantic pact or Beidat's will. Going 90 max fire res & armour applies to fire damage taken from hits or ditching 90 max fire & armour for Heartstopper (75% less DOT). What do you guys think?

Still not sure how to get my damage though and recovery is also a problem

[frail jay]

you get your damage from demonic posession probably

yeah idk how you get recovery, probably needs uniques

[golden swan]

There's percent recovery on the tree. And the node after demonform caps the degen.

[cerulean bear]

Heartstopper is bait and pyromantic is only good if you pick up the following nodes imo

what do you want the spirit from beidat's will for?

[solid flume]

wait its a cap? not max increase?

[frail jay]

Idk pyrmantic could be good if you just need to spend crazy amounts of mana

[solid flume]

more reservation

[golden swan]

Right. Normally you'd keep getting Demonflame until you can't sustain it. The node capping it stops the damage ramping both dealt and taken.

[solid flume]

ah, I see

[cerulean bear]

It's not mana anymore though if you need to spend mana. If you have crazy high mana costs then its not bad, but that would only come from archmage

[solid flume]

can you explain why heartstopper is a bait? infernalist always take DOT on demon form right? or is that a different kind of DOT

[cerulean bear]

cause it only lowers damage when you start taking damage

if youre always taking dot then you just take more damage

[golden swan]

After a second you'd start taking a lot more. So it's only good if you're dipping in and out of demonform. But the demonform damage ramps up so you wanna try to sustain it.

[cerulean bear]

also demon form isn't a dot I don't thjik

[frail jay]

that's what I mean, need to spend a lot of mana

I doubt it's only archmage

[ancient geyser]

demon form is not a dot, it's a resource cost

[frail jay]

expecting EI build to have insane mana costs

[cerulean bear]

it just says you take damage

[ancient geyser]

the way it's worded

[cerulean bear]

only dot on infernalist is from node 11, grinning immolation

[frail jay]

casting like 10 comets every 2 seconds gonna be crazy

[ancient geyser]

it could work with eternal youth maybe

[cerulean bear]

thats like busted "cast on X" though

[ancient geyser]

flame pact suddenly looking good

[golden swan]

"Lose 1% of Life per second per Demonflame"

I don't know if that would even interact with Heartstopper actually.

[frail jay]

?

[cerulean bear]

10 comets every 2 seconds would come from some sort of "cast on X" build i.e shock, crit, ignite w/e

[frail jay]

Yeah elemental invocation

what's your point?

[cerulean bear]

if you have the spirit you can stack the meta gems

[frail jay]

yes you run multiple elemental invocations

[solid flume]

hmmmm if thats how it works then going for 90 max res and armour to fire dmg will be a pain, its so far from witch start.

Also, heartstopper says take 50% more damage over time if you've haven't started taking damage over time in the past second, doesn't that mean if you have taken damage in the past second you take 75% less damage?

[cerulean bear]

I'm just saying a normal build wouldn't be spending that much mana

only those trigger builds

[frail jay]

Yeah that's why I specifically said builds that spend a bunch of mana..,.

[ancient geyser]

you are not taking dmg from demonflame, you are LOSING hp, think of it as a resource cost

[pseudo kayak]

@frail jay so what's your current EI abuser build looking like?

[ancient geyser]

taking dmg and losing hp are different concepts in poe

[cerulean bear]

from (0-1) second you take 75% less and from (1-you stop taking dot) you taking 50% more

[solid flume]

the way its worded is so confusing...

[ancient geyser]

it really isn't that confusing, if it was a dot it would say: receive damage equal to 1% of your maximum life per demonflame

[cerulean bear]

its good if you remove the dot source quickly, but bad if it stays on you

poe is very word focused

it makes everything less ambiguous

[frail jay]

Well if triggered skills don't generate energy for EI (and it's not just skills that say once per skill use for energy gain) then generate energy with incendiary shot and have multiple EI links. Definitely Comet + Spell Echo as main damage because that should cast 10 comets in 1 button and ignore the downside of spelle cho (basically 100% more damage support). Triggering Also ignores the downside of comet (total cast speed add) which is balanced by comet having a LOT of damage, AOE, and built in freeze.

[solid flume]

so, if its not a DOT is it like a hit? or something like bleed? I was thinking something along the line of RF, whats the equivalent of demon form in poe 1?

[cerulean bear]

its like sacrificing life over time

Its worded to ignore all mechanics

[frail jay]

it's life loss over time, it's a DoT that you can't mitigate and doesn't count as damage mechanically

[golden swan]

The other thing I was considering was Dex stacking with Rapid Shot. Dex and Accuracy scaling attack speed on the tree. Empty the mag and reload it within 6 seconds for the Many Bolts support. Just FULL DAKKA.

[frail jay]

you can only counter it with recovery

[ancient geyser]

this is a good reference for how dots are worded in poe

but yes, what kirvin said

you cannot avoid demonflame's dmg in any way unless there is an unique that explicitly changes the rules of the game

[pseudo kayak]

Interesting, so I'm assuming then the main draws are stormweaver for mana regen and infernalist for spirit?

[ancient geyser]

infernalist for infernal flame so he has infinite mana i'd say

plus it has some nice dmg nodes he can combine fire dmg too

or go low life, hellhound as well etc, infernalist is crazy flexible

[cerulean bear]

One thing we don't know is how the degen is calculated

if its flat then its rough

[frail jay]

Mana Regen and probably solid defenses (double chill, ES recoup) vs Pyromantic Pact and a bunch of extra spirit for more reservations like EI

[cerulean bear]

but if its percent then you could overcome it easily with a low life pool and a secondary defence

like mom

[dusky tartan]

it here any other way that we know now to gain power chargers

[frail jay]

Also infernalist has cooler respec options I think

like if I want to try minionms

[cerulean bear]

there some minion ways

[frail jay]

Sniper's Mark + Gain Power instead of Frenzy keystone + Critting a bunch + Trigger casting the sniper's mark with CoC and stuff

[golden swan]

Charges not having any inherent stats still just seems odd.

[solid flume]

are there any spell damage leeched as life on the passive tree that we know of? or only on the bloodmage ascendancy?

[dusky tartan]

I see. I am trying to figure out impossible and that is to play flicker early.

[golden swan]

I don't think there's any actual leech on the tree that we know of. Just modifiers or increases so far. Besides Bloodmage.

[solid flume]

starting with non-minion infernalist with this little info is gonna be a pain...

[frail jay]

Yeah not having a way to get leech for recovery sounds really annoying, just having to use life flask constantly

[pseudo kayak]

That's fair. There's definitely something to be said for flexibility at the start while we figure out what's whats.

[pseudo kayak]

Cast on Melee Kill - Profane Ritual - Multiple Charge

[ancient geyser]

i think it'll be fine, just don't build for perma demonform early

you can use demonform as a burst window tool

i'm sure you can fix the hp regen later into the game to sustain 10 demonflames easily

[pseudo kayak]

What's your non-minion plan?

[unreal girder]

Is life gained on hit a thing in poe2?

[golden swan]

Probably?

[dusky tartan]

Thanks ❤️

[sterile latch]

wait chayula can be absolutely insane actually

[solid flume]

true, but the path to get a good boost from ascendancy is really foggy compared to the other ascendancy / class. Its all about taking damage, and the rest of the tree is more suitable for minion build more than anything. Will be really hard to league-start it

[compact atlas]

Am I reading this wrong or is this skill useless unless you can cull the enemy? It's worded as if unless you can cull the enemy the skill won't activate.

[golden swan]

Seems like it.

[pseudo kayak]

fwiw I think the flicker tech i've seen so far is
CoMK Profane Ritual
Siphoning Strike
Harmonic Generator + some variety of shock+chill tech
Lust for Power
Sniper's Mark + frenzy convert node
Lingering Illusions
{semi sorted}

[solid flume]

perma demon form, heartstopper keystone or 90% max fire res & armour apply to fire dmg. But after talking about it the build plan fell apart almost instantly xd

[rugged grove]

Infernal hound with infernal legion? 🤔

[golden swan]

One With the Storm - Quarterstaff skills that consume Power Charges count as consuming an additional Power Charge

[rancid stag]

is evasion generally a useful stat?

[golden swan]

If you have enough of it then yes. The more evasion you have, the lower the enemies chance of hitting you.

[cerulean bear]

generally its better than armour

[golden swan]

That's a hot take.

[cerulean bear]

armour only works on physical damage where evasion works on everything

[rancid stag]

does it work for both magic and phyiscal attacks that are launched at me?

[sterile latch]

can someone explain me that wording plz ?

[rancid stag]

and i assume there's a cap too? cant possibly get 100% evasion and never get hit

[cerulean bear]

uhh was poe 1 95%?

[golden swan]

Yes. Enemy attacks in Poe2 have no distinction between attack or spells. Yes, cap for any form of mitigation is 90%.

[rancid stag]

thanks

[cerulean bear]

there you go

[compact atlas]

Leech= lifesteal in PoE language.

[cerulean bear]

lucky bumps that up to 99% though

[sterile latch]

how does it lifesteal to me then ? why not just heal ? :d

[golden swan]

Because if you have increased leech that'll apply. It also means that the healing happens over a second instead of all at once.

[rancid stag]

so im not going to be using any build guides but just building up my own thing.
i guess the idea is to build towards bigger nodes on the tree? so like, pick a bigger node that does something i want and build towards it, then pick a new big node?

[golden swan]

Genuinely, there's no build guides. There's so much missing information that everyone is 90%+ guessing about builds.

Yeah, generally the bigger nodes (Notables) are the most impactful.

[rancid stag]

cool

[cerulean bear]

Thats a good strategy, usually there are big keystones that you work your way towards that define a build, but a general rule of thumb is to not do too many travel nodes early on

Although the big nodes might be nice, the impact of even small nodes early on can be drastic

[golden swan]

The big Keystones usually have a downside or weird thing they do along with the effect, so they're something to be hesitant with.

[solid flume]

On the bloodmage ascendancy it says "Elemental Damage also Contributed to Bleeding Magnitude". What is bleeding magnitude? is it just another way of saying bleed also scale with base elemental damage of the attack that caused it?

[cerulean bear]

thats my interpretation

[lime cloak]

I am hoping its like that

Im planning on making some cold/lightning bleed crit work

[analog drift]

Can ascendancy skills be respecced within the tree?

[shrewd socket]

can essence drain be supported with concentrated effect? it has an aoe tag

[cerulean bear]

yes

[lime cloak]

You can respec ascendancy points but cant change class but its expensive iirc

[cerulean bear]

it does?

[golden swan]

Oh that's weird. Elemental damage contributes to blled magnitude but not bleed chance? I suppose bleed works differently than the other ailments then.

[shrewd socket]

i dont know why tho

[cerulean bear]

maybe its the size of the projectile?

[rancid stag]

i see a couple of skills have both unarmed and quarterstaff tags. would there be a reason to go unarmed?

[cerulean bear]

unarmed support isn't in yet

[rancid stag]

oh okay. i was also thinking there might be passive nodes that would enhance unarmed attacks specifically. either way ill probably go with quarter staff

i suppose for beginners its best to just stick with the theme weapon

[cerulean bear]

there are a few things for unarmed in poe 1 but they're limited

[solid flume]

hoping something like perfect agony is present in poe 2, since building bloodmage just for the bleed doesn't seem worth it. If its not how will you make bloodmage work?

[golden swan]

Ailments inherently scale on hit damage. So they already consider crit damage.

[rancid stag]

i didnt play POE1 a lot but i remember doing a righteous fire templar build at some point. would such a thing be doable in POE2?

[cerulean bear]

RF is delayed for now

its one of the upcoming skills though

[golden swan]

They've said that Righteous Fire was supposed to be in the early access launch but it got cut. Probably gonna be with the Templar.

[rancid stag]

ohh cool

makes sense yeah

[golden swan]

Though Johnathan did say that it works differently now. No specifics though.

[rancid stag]

im fine with that

[cerulean bear]

The new flameblast reminded me a little of rf

[rancid stag]

im hoping this time i can actually understand the game better. i never really made it further than lvl 50 or so in POE. just too complicated and then i played with a group of people that had thousands of hours and all told me different stuff.

but now i've played last epoch for a while too and i think i have a better base of understanding for these types of games

[cerulean bear]

You just need to understand the basic mechanics and then you'll slowly build on that foundatino