2┃build-planning

[short timber]

I'm fairly certain it's ailment based prismatic burst

[frail jay]

The real question is how do you abuse it on bosses though

And how does the damage scale

[proven quest]

When are we getting cyclone, I wanna theory craft my CoC builds

[frail jay]

I mean I get what it is, I'm just wondering how good it is mechanically

[lunar totem]

https://tenor.com/view/hiding-animal-cat-kitty-kitten-gif-15687094

[native widget]

🤣 not in a long while

[frail jay]

Cyclone is gonna be on marauder or gladiator

Don't need cyclone for CoC though

I think a lot of people have been eyeing EoW for CoC

[proven quest]

Ya you definitely don’t, but I like that play style, and I think there some big base crit numbers on weapons which is nice

[native widget]

wait, so can you choose what weapon set that triggered gems will use?

so like if you are casting and triggered a trigger gem, will you switch to another weapon set before it starts casting?

im kinda confused how it will work

[proven quest]

Ya, I’m worried weapon swapping for that stuff might feel a little clunky

[frail jay]

The weapon swapping is automatic

[native widget]

theres still a delay tho

and i assume the trigger spells are auto cast right?

so like..

[proven quest]

Ya I’m worried about the swap speed

[native widget]

would it switch your weapon mid cast

[frail jay]

Oh that's an interesting question

Yeah I'm not sure how metagems will work with weapon swapping

[silent prawn]

"Cast on ..." might not support weapon swap

[granite tulip]

Is +1 to Skill Level usually something you'd throw on a main damage skill?

[frail jay]

we don't really know how big it is in poe2

[native widget]

dont think it will be that good ngl

+1 doesnt sound like much when your weapon have +5 on it

[lunar totem]

If you've got a slot, probably. Some skills are going to be clamoring for another slot, some might naturally only have 4 good supports and you're just like "Eh whatever, I can add this, basically does nothing"

[modern tangle]

I think those +1 lvl supports are more something you put on lower priority skills because better supports aren't available

they also fit some gems where it's hard to find applicable supports at all

[granite tulip]

Good points

[proven quest]

We’ve seen some of the cast on have cooldowns, so more of them might. If they do, then I think it’s more likely that they can weapon swap since you can’t cast as regularly

[gusty bone]

Are blocked hits considered damage prevented?

[native widget]

AHH, ig

[frail jay]

I don't believe so no

[proven quest]

Looking at PoE1 wiki divine shield has similar wording, and it says block does count

[tranquil inlet]

Did the jugg ascendancy count block?

[lofty grotto]

I'm a simple guy
Pathfinder, stack as much poison and hexes. Althrough max poison stack increases come with hefty price now - mainly cutting durration by 25% each which are dimmised with one node (Escalated Toxins)
Until this node isn't unlocked i think poison build won't be near as strong.

I'm not PoE player at all, but veteran at other diabl... exile-likes. But I heard that poison got reworked in PoE2.
With limited stacks I'm curious how stacking/owerwritting works.
Let me get example.

We know that poison now scales from damage of skill hit that it applies. So stronger hit (raw x crit x crit bonus etc) stronger the poison applied.
But here comes a bummer.
Let's have our main DPS skill, ~150% damage, we use it as our main source of damage and poison applier.
Then we use our secondary skill which is used as a primer -something with large lasting AoE of poison, but low damage. It's also slotted with Withering Touch gem, which applies Whithered at cost of -50% damage (meaning -50% poison damage).

So in this scenario, does my shitty primer overwrites strong poison stacks becouse it was applied later/does constant ticks?

assumming that poison is still considered as chaos damage

[lunar totem]

They made a lot of explicit Poison stuff on the tree and in that one Ascendancy.
It is likely going to be pretty strong.

[lofty grotto]

a lot of fun combos

and what it looks like, tornado shot is going to be in most of AoE projectile builds

not only bow centric

[gusty bone]

How much regen did the Jugg passive give on end game maps?

[native widget]

you need a bow to use it lol

[lofty grotto]

you have weapon swap for that

on paper is so strong that it's worth to not have copy weapon for other passive skills

[frail jay]

Just confirmed on Ziz's stream that Rain of Arrows rolls crit individually for each arrow so it will probably be really good for CoC and Sniper's Mark

[native widget]

how bout arc and stuff

[frail jay]

idk Jonathan just mentioned rain of arrow

[short timber]

throw it on archmage

[native widget]

wait good idea

[short timber]

[hoary plover]

assuming it works similarly to poe1, both poisons should be on the enemy but only the strongest one deals damage.
if you have a limit of 3 poisons, the strongest 3 deal damage, etc

[granite tulip]

I'm playing Attack Skill monk Sadly I don't see a Lightning tag on Charged Staff. It would be lovely for that.

[lofty grotto]

That's huge
So I have my build pretty much imagined
Also, does skill durration affix roll on items in PoE, or it is passive tree exclusive?

[proven quest]

Confirming what @hoary plover said. From the poe2 wiki “only the highest damage instance(s) of poisons up to your stack limit will deal damage”

[short rover]

a lot of these things in poe2db are not fully correct and might just be missing tags that actually exist in the game, so I wouldnt fully rule out that it has a lightning tag

there is at least a chance

[granite tulip]

True. I'm keeping it in mind for now

[lofty grotto]

Typical poison setup + Wither and Frost build up on Gas Arrow
(althrough I'm not sure what to use as primary since Poisonburst Arrow have only 55% raw, but is only skill that scales poison durration from skill durration), prob will end up with Poison Concotion - heard it was pretty strong in the first game

[granite tulip]

There's also some skills that have different descriptions on poe2skills vs. poe2db, despite poe2skills saying it fetches from db.

E.g.

[proven quest]

Duration does exist on gear in poe1 , but it’s mostly on gear you’d get towards end game. They haven’t mentioned a lot of that gear being in poe2, but it also shows up on uniques

[lofty grotto]

Ok, fextra has more bow skills than in the deep dive. But since it is behind NDA won't talk more about it

still missing one from 21 jonathan mentioned

nvm later footage shows missing ones

so they added them mid their playthrough

but after deep dive footage recording

[safe karma]

Quick question about a sinergy:

Barrier Invocation:

Casting the skill once activates it, causing it to gain Energy when your Energy Shield is damaged by Hits. Casting again once sufficient Energy is gathered will consume the Energy to trigger socketed Spells.

Should it trigger both spells orb of storms and lightning storm with increase limit support and spell echo?

My expected result is to have 2 orbs and 2 storms

The fifth support coursing current would make it a big shockspam AoE, then I could manually spam lightning conduit

[lofty grotto]

||fextra|| didn't delete stuff from their wiki...
almost all skills with additonal info on bow compared to DB (rest of wiki isn't updated)

[native widget]

can you link?

[lofty grotto]

now <Barrage> just made my life much harder, I thought I have everything figured out

[distant dome]

any idea if self inflicted damage will work for this?

[native widget]

sounds like it

[blissful abyss]

Hey folks, will we have 9 skills total for both weapon sets or will be 9 skills per weapon set?

[silent prawn]

9 skills total

12 for Gemling

[blissful abyss]

kk thx mate

[proven quest]

Where is that on the tree? It would be really good for infernalist

[distant dome]

not far

[proven quest]

Nice

[lofty grotto]

Dang it, I scoured through Deadeye tree and it seems much better than Pathfinder, at least on paper.
I wish we could change ascendency

[proven quest]

I haven’t looked too much at deadeye, is it still more of a glass cannon ascendancy or have they given it some defense?

[native widget]

thats still a lot

id assume skills granted by weapons and accendency does not count towards the 9 skills?

[lofty grotto]

3% overall damage reduction per tailwind stack

[native widget]

so 34 stacks means immune?

[silent prawn]

thats where I'm not sure, someone was saying they count towards

[maiden karma]

Devs confirmed they don't

[native widget]

wth

[silent prawn]

can you show that?

[proven quest]

Ok, so similar to poe1. Do we know if there’s a tailwind stack limit?

[native widget]

🤮 damn

[maiden karma]

That just makes sure the cast time is never less than a second

[native widget]

thats annoying as fuck

so you basically hard stun yourself for 2 seconds when casting it

☹️

[lofty grotto]

while pathfinder is Potions + Poisons + Movement Speed
Deadeye works with pretty much anything you throw at it, with big buffs to mark->frenzy charge->spend mechanic.
While pathfinder is pretty much either concotion or poison. Nothing else to benefit from it.

[midnight bolt]

no wae are u using fextralife???

[native widget]

im desperate

[midnight bolt]

my condolences

[native widget]

lmao you remind me of my ex

same name, even talks like her

[maiden karma]

My condiments

[proven quest]

Comets wording feels very deliberate. It specifically says to total cast time, not base cast time. I wonder if when triggering it, you only need energy for the 1 second base

[maiden karma]

[native widget]

thats likely why its worded like taht

the 1 second is base

[maiden karma]

You'll need energy for the whole thing

[proven quest]

Ya, a lot of bow/ ranged skills get a lot from deadeye. I’m just someone who likes having solid defensive layers so I never really liked it in poe1

[native widget]

the +1 seconds is just a restraint

[proven quest]

I wonder how comet would work/ feel with cast on crit/ cast while channeling haha

[viscid escarp]

Does anybody know if skill gem damage scales with the required stat?

[proven quest]

Not unless it says so specifically

[native widget]

so does unleash work on trigger skills?

[proven quest]

Not according to poe2db. Says supports spells you cast yourself

[native widget]

Cast on shock says gain energy once per skill cast, which means spell echo doesnt count as a new cast right?

[blissful abyss]

Is orb of storms still expected to zap enemies when you use a lightning skill near it?

[lofty grotto]

Pathfinder doesn't add either.
Just more potion charges and movement speed while shooting.

which is a bummer. If you don't use concotions, you use only half of it's tree

[astral thicket]

Hoping someone could give me some ideas/clarity on how a Mercenary with Minions could play off each abilities. Havent quite grasped what potential minions could proc the grenades to explode earlier or ideas similar to that.

[lofty grotto]

does minion have detonator keyword?

or any support rune for them?

[distant dome]

I saw a video saying Base Mana regen is 4% of max mana.... does that mean increasing Max mana increases mana regen as welll (4% of higher max = more effective regen)

[native widget]

Whats the max level on gems again?

[frail jay]

arsonist has detonator, what do you need it for?

[lofty grotto]

naah nothing major

[safe karma]

I dont believe it does.
In POE1, blood magic does not counts towards damage taken, right?

[native widget]

Idk if im tripping or not, but meta skills seems to have less spirit reservation, increased energy generation and decreased energy consumption with increasing level

[safe karma]

Inflicting damage and spending life is not the same thing

[astral thicket]

was seeing if you could use a minion to help detonate grenades from Crossbow.

[distant dome]

true. So infernalist inflicts damage on self, but blood mage spends life

[hoary plover]

dark times indeed

[distant dome]

I'm a little confused on the rules for support gems. Does "shock chance" have to support a lightning skill? or could I put it on "Unearth" and expect it to give my skeleton constructs a chance to shock

[alpine vigil]

where did you see that? that'd be great

[alpine vigil]

nope, any skill

as long as it hits (no dot, no "debuff-only")

[distant dome]

so the combo posted would give the skeleton constructs 40% chance to shock?

[alpine vigil]

probably yes

[native widget]

deduced from poe2db

[distant dome]

Also, does this 40% damage apply to just me, or me and my minions?

[alpine vigil]

only you

[distant dome]

RIP

[alpine vigil]

hmm I don't see it

[distant dome]

and are all minion command skills personal damage, or minion damage?

[native widget]

if you notice, these two have levels, and have 40 less reservation, 26% increased energy gen, and 10 energy per 0.1 sec is now 10 energy per 0.13 sec

[distant dome]

guessing minion?

[distant dome]

good catch

[alpine vigil]

I think the spirit is just because it's a different condition

shock is much easier to proc than ignite and freeze

since you can refresh

[native widget]

i have doubts

[alpine vigil]

the rest I agree with you, but I doubt the spirit cost changes

especially down

[native widget]

100 spirit is a lot tho

[short rover]

Now this might be an overcook from me, but I think you can get around this via this talent? Anoint Exploit the Elements on your amulet and take Necromantic Talisman, since it says ALL bonuses on amulets apply to minions

[alpine vigil]

No I think you're onto something actually

[short rover]

Unless anointed bonuses specifically are excluded from this, but I feel like GG usually uses language like "all" pretty intentionally

[alpine vigil]

It should be trivial to test thankfully

annoint something obvious, with necromantic talisman, see if you have it

I forgot if you can check the passive tree for annoint in game

[bold raft]

I'm very interested to see how crazy we can get with great amulets using this keystone

[alpine vigil]

ah yeah you do

so normally it wouldn't be allocated for you

[crude atlas]

Does anyone know if player's aoe can be evaded by monsters since the opposite can't be done?

[native widget]

how does trigger skill work with targeted skills?

[short rover]

the obvious drawback is you get nothing from your amulet yourself, no life, no res, nothing. Could be a kinda steep price depending on the build

[native widget]

like last enemy hit?

[alpine vigil]

the triggering enemy first

[native widget]

what if it dies

[alpine vigil]

otherwise it depends on the skill in poe1

cursor, closest, etc

[native widget]

another question of mine is how does EI work when you have energy to cast multiple times, do they all cast at once? or does it still have to go through cast time

[alpine vigil]

I assume yes, the player-to-monster is probably unchanged

otherwise casters need accuracy and aoe attackers don't

which doesn't make sense

[alpine vigil]

surely no/very little cast time

otherwise it's super useless

[native widget]

and target? where cursor is at?

since you have to cast EI yourself?

[crude atlas]

For instance grenades wich are projectile/aoe and some slams that are aoe, all that would not need accuracy at all?

[alpine vigil]

same as before, probably cursor if possible yeah

[native widget]

i see

[alpine vigil]

there's no way that's the case

dexterity was already dogshit before

it would be even worse now that it only gives acc

[crude atlas]

Make sense

[native widget]

i think i might be cooking

but im not sure lol

what exactly does "Hits are Freezing" in comet mean?

like guaranteed freeze?

[alpine vigil]

probably buildup

[native widget]

i calculated that a max energy EI at max level can cast comet 7 times, if spell echo that would be 14 times

😮

holy shit

[alpine vigil]

do we know if if the "+1 second to Total Cast Time" is counted or not?

[native widget]

doubt it

trigger said base time

I dont think +1 is going in the base time

[alpine vigil]

if so then yeah EI is strong with it

[near acorn]

similar effects in PoE 1 didn't work because in order to anoint something, you need to have a passive tree, and minions don't have a passive tree. So it probably doesn't work in PoE 2 either 🤷‍♂️

[native widget]

yeah right now im not sure how freezing comet will be

but adding biting frost on top of that could mean multiple freeze with a single cast of EI

and a few guaranteed crits

alternatively I could put arc on cast on freeze and have it consume freeze instead with biting frost

and arc energy cost is so low it will trigger everytime I freeze something

[lunar veldt]

Would it be possible to make a Bloodmage melee build somehow?

I can't figure it out

[native widget]

lmao

have you not seen the meme pic

[lunar veldt]

Which one?

[native widget]

let me see if i can find it

[alpine vigil]

herald of thunder does not convert your other attacks to lightning

this is the part that gets the phys to lightning

[lunar veldt]

This is so dumb

Why can't they write "converts 100% of Herald's phsycail damage"

[alpine vigil]

a global 100% uptime phys to lightning would be dumb

[lunar veldt]

New players are fucked

[near acorn]

Just gotta learn

[native widget]

does shock still grant 50% increased damage?

[alpine vigil]

30%

flat tho

[native widget]

wdym?

30% more?

[alpine vigil]

shock in poe is 1-50%

poe2 has it as 30% always

[native widget]

oh

ok

50 inc is kinda meh tho

20 more would be a lot better

[alpine vigil]

it's more

[near acorn]

shock makes enemies take 30% increased damage

[native widget]

OH SHIT

😮

[near acorn]

it stacks additively with other increased damage taken effects

[native widget]

ok thats juicy

[near acorn]

(assuming poe 2 is like poe 1)

[alpine vigil]

yeah not quite more actually

but multiplicative if it's the only damage taken debuff the enemy has

[native widget]

if you dont have other increase damage taken it would be more effectively huh

[lofty grotto]

don't take damage values as granted
Compared to known values, fextra version (probably newest and release ver.) had damage values upwards of x3.0 or /2.0

skills i considered as garbage becouse of low base, now are much better

[alpine vigil]

Still it's the projectile that gets converted

not all other hits

also it's probably just levels

[native widget]

can I get a TLDR of zizaran interview

[alpine vigil]

https://x.com/empyriangaming/status/1863700977091744102

Empyrian (@empyriangaming) on X

New Info from PoE 2 Developer interview with Jonathan by @Zizaran

- If a stash tab equivalent exists in POE 1, you will get it in POE 2. If it doesn't, currently you don't get anything, but that mechanic (say blight) gets added, the tab will be too

- Jonathan is not a big fan

Twitter · Dec 2, 2024, 9:45 PM

[native widget]

👍

[lunar veldt]

The more i think about building

The more i understand how many restrictions there are

Melee literally has nothing besides stupid stuns

Where's the variety, at all

I don't get it

[silent prawn]

quarterstaff and Unarmed?

crossbow Shotgun?

there is lots for Melee

[alpine vigil]

quarterstaff has some cool stuff

[lunar veldt]

Hmm

[midnight bolt]

whats that logic?

u can also ignite or bleed or use monk skills?

[lunar veldt]

Bloodmage Flicker Strike?

What element though?

Lightning?

[midnight bolt]

wouldnt be surprised if there even be some poison melee pathfinder cause why tf not

[lunar veldt]

Yeah, endless possibilties

Losing fucking 20 points

Just because.

[native widget]

anyone know what Cold Exposure do?

[alpine vigil]

reduces cold resist

[lunar veldt]

Why not connect this...........

[midnight bolt]

its only 6 points?

[native widget]

by how much?

[silent prawn]

I mean it is possible, doesn't mean it is easy lol

[midnight bolt]

and u get stats

[alpine vigil]

at that point they might as well make all class start at the same point

[silent prawn]

There might be a Scion class ... eventually we can map through the middle+

[lunar veldt]

Why tf not

[hoary plover]

idunno i agree, everything good should be available right at the start so i can get it all with no investment

[alpine vigil]

giving some identity

[atomic halo]

fire & ignite

and armour break

[lunar veldt]

[bold raft]

Also shockwaves
Many many shockwaves

[lunar veldt]

Cool, losing 10 points on the way

Basically, if you want to go Flicker, you need to play Monk

No variety in PoE 2

More strict than D4 even

I can't believe this shit

[atomic halo]

https://tenor.com/view/cringe-gif-24107071

and yk those first 3 pts dont count

they're just naturally leaving your starting area

[lunar veldt]

7 points is a shit ton, still

[atomic halo]

but dont think ur saying anything by pointing out what everyone already knows

which is that the exclusion of the central scion area makes it much more difficult to traverse across the tree

and that's intended

[native widget]

i wouldnt call it shit ton lol

[lunar veldt]

It's bad.

[bold raft]

Not really

[atomic halo]

you're saying that it's bad but have done nothing but point out the obvious.

[bold raft]

You're forgetting the "travel nodes" that you consider wasted, can be any attribute

[hoary plover]

every build is gonna spend points on stat/travel nodes even if you're playing the "right" class for the nodes you want

[atomic halo]

and i thought ppl were saying that ascendancies were all that mattered

and class was meaningless

now class means something more

[exotic compass]

as a d4 transplant, this shit looks way less strict lmao. you can use any skill and any passive, just have to spend the points for it? i just wish you could unlock other ascendancies as an endgame challenge instead of making new characters but maybe my opinion will change post-launch

[silent prawn]

always said class decides the startingpoint

[pastel forge]

it also depends on how you are planning your passives

if your passives go towards the bottom right then starting as druid/witch side is gonna be rough

[exotic compass]

anyone thinking about starting warrior and heading up to witch/sorc? or starting witch/sorc and heading down to warrior? i havent tried making a Passive path yet so would be curious to hear thoughts

i loved STR INT in elden ring... i know its not the best comparison lol

[silent prawn]

it kinda depends on what you want to attack with.

[exotic compass]

well to relate it to the topic at hand

id be down to try maces with minions, or staff with minions

[silent prawn]

but it is wierd not having a Str/Int start lol

[terse pendant]

I am really considering going Mercenary in PoE 2, but going for a summoning build instead of a ranged/melee build. The gem-based ascendency is quite intriguing and I think it could potentially work quite well for a summoner. What do you guys think?

[near acorn]

outer ring looks pretty good for long distance travel, especially since it's got a bunch of jewel sockets on it. 30 points to go from one side to the other

[exotic compass]

im someone who wants to experience stuff from different classes and merc seemed like a good idea, aside from its starting location!

[silent prawn]

you will have a hard time getting to Minion passives. but for skills and stuff it will be great
well there is one minion passive in the Merc area lol if the current tree preview is correct

[exotic compass]

and literally i would be mixing witch/sorc/merc lol

[coral spoke]

What is the verdict on using Energy Barriar support on Raise Shield and accepting that you'll get stunned from repeated blocks but then immediately regen energy shield on being stunned? This is assuming that you can dodge once you've recovered from being stunned. Has this been fleshed out here and abandoned, or is this viable?

[terse pendant]

Are you unable to change your initial direction by respeccing?

[silent prawn]

you can't change the starting point no

only what you put in from there

[exotic compass]

can you refund ALL passives tho?

[alpine vigil]

yes

[exotic compass]

bet

[silent prawn]

if you have the gold

it will get expensive the higher the lvl

[native widget]

ngl, all the skills that wands grant looks pretty shit

[hoary plover]

regarding traveling to other classes: here are some previously meta poe 1 builds that did far more traveling than the above complaint:

[terse pendant]

I see. So, you would spend quite a few points to get around the tree, eh? Still, it could be worth trying still. The Gemling Legionnaire seems quite interesting.

[silent prawn]

wand staff and sceptre are interchangable

[alpine vigil]

the cluster meta helped a bit but yes

[hoary plover]

only 1 of those has significant clusters

[native widget]

well, can you get +x level to ice/lightning spell gems on sceptres?

[midnight bolt]

@lunar veldt check this msg, if it works in poe1 not sure why it wouldnt in poe2

[silent prawn]

we don't know yet
Also I meant Skill wise

[lunar veldt]

[midnight bolt]

ill be playing melee chronomancer and i know itll work , unless they make all chrono ascendency only spell focused

and its literally opposite side of the tree

[ashen mango]

Is anyone else sad necromancer isn’t an ascendency path? Maybe they will bake it into the default skill tree….

[midnight bolt]

u literally have 2 great options for minion class already, why are u sad

[silent prawn]

Might return with the 3rd ascendancy or another class

[hoary plover]

dont forget that depending on what you're scaling, you might not even need to travel too much. just because you're melee doesnt mean you need melee nodes.
a melee cold skill for example can still scale with cold and elemental nodes, which are probably plentiful up top

[terse pendant]

How will weapon swapping work with spirit? Since you generally need to use a scepter to have high spirit for summons, it seems like it would discourage weapon swapping, unless you maintain that spirit while swapped to another weapon.

[midnight bolt]

nah its not happening johnantan and mark said that

[ashen mango]

Because I like cosplaying as a necromancer, not a diabolist.

[scenic ivy]

They've mentioned not wanting something like a necromancer ascendancy, since it pigeon-holes basically any build that wants to run minions into one ascendancy

[silent prawn]

which is valid

[midnight bolt]

play gemlin and become edgelord that engraves minion and chaos gems in his flesh, peak roleplay

[bold raft]

Witch basically is a necromancer class if you want it to

[silent prawn]

wonder if we get chieftain back for more totem action

[midnight bolt]

thats literally next level

[terse pendant]

This was kind of what I had planned to do. lmao.

[midnight bolt]

gigachad

[silent prawn]

Sceptre is *cough

[terse pendant]

Anyone happen to know the answer to this though?

[lunar veldt]

I'm glad af

[midnight bolt]

i need avatar of fire , the pathing is great tho i dont even waste any points(almost) since there are so many fire clusters i can pick up on the way

[silent prawn]

as you can bind the minions to the sceptre set, I could Imagine they stay around

[bold raft]

Can't wait to combo sword and Sceptre and be barbossa

[terse pendant]

Yeah. It would be something to test, I suppose. If swapping causes your spirit to lower, and that unsummons minions, it would heavily discourage swapping.

[pearl sluice]

Will have to test ingame but i think you will not lose the spirit on weapon swap

[alpine vigil]

I think it's pretty much confirmed it works that way

you don't get benefits from inactive weapons

[atomic halo]

why wouldnt you lose spirit on weapon swap

then everyone would run a sceptre on OH for free spirit

[alpine vigil]

yep

[bold raft]

They do seem to disappear and come back pretty quick when you swap and swap back, so it might be still possible

[native widget]

lmao, what if you have 2 cast on x binded to different weapon, and they trigger at the same time

also shock and freeze and be applied to the same enemy at the same time right?

[terse pendant]

If would still mean you would have to primarily stick to scepter though, as you wouldn't want to say use staff to deal damage and scepter to summon, if you just lose summons when you swap. Seems like a reasonably harsh restriction on summoner characters.

[bold raft]

I see it like this.
Your main summons such as a beefy tank and damage dealer,
You link to both weapons sets.
Then additional skellies like archers, you keep them to the Sceptre weapon set.
When you got the scepter out, you have the archers make poison clouds,

Then you swap, ignite those clouds with your gun or staff

That's just an example.
You can still have minions without the sceptre

[alpine vigil]

I assume the cast on shock slotted to your inactive weapon cannot proc

otherwise it's pretty much x2 spirit for triggers

same deal, you don't get the spirit from the weapon on your back

[native widget]

do you know if shock and freeze can apply to the same enemy at the same time?

[alpine vigil]

think so yeah

[terse pendant]

Perhaps. You would have to manually swap to take advantage of this though, as the summons wouldn't be immediately available for auto-swap to work. This is something no other weapon-set has to deal with. So, it does make me wonder how it works in practice.

[silent prawn]

It needs testing and that's where Ea comes into play

[distant dome]

If I use increase limit on Pain offering, will the aura stack?

[terse pendant]

Yeah. I mean, I could still see choosing to be a summoner without a scepter, if you really wanted other weapon skills. Just would be a bit sad.

[terse pendant]

Interesting question. That could be quite strong.

[hoary plover]

unlikely

[exotic compass]

i have zero experience with poe but i would assume NO, but test and hope for YES xD

[hoary plover]

there's no precedent for auras stacking and i dont expect that to change

[distant dome]

My cast while channeling loadout will be big sad if it doesn't work

Similar question, if I have Vitality supporting two skills that are triggered via "cast on X", do I still only get 1.5% life per second or do I get more?

Lets say you throw that with Pain/bone/Power offering. Bam 4.5% HP a sec. Would be a lot

[native widget]

You can only have one of each support

So

😬

[distant dome]

you put the support inside a "cast while channeling" trigger gem

with multiple skills

so it supports each one of them

[native widget]

oh

[distant dome]

like this

[native widget]

thats what you mean

i dont even think it works

cast while channelling is not a presistant nor a buff skill

which is the requirements for vitality

[distant dome]

so you have to use support gems that see the cast trigger as valid target?

[native widget]

it has to match the tags on the skill

you can use vitality on something like cast on freeze cast on ignite

[atomic halo]

vitality supports "persistent buff skills"

[distant dome]

cast on critical

[atomic halo]

those offerings arent persistent

[native widget]

sure

[distant dome]

oh, rip

[native widget]

but vitality will support your meta skill instead of the skills you have in there

[atomic halo]

cwc isnt peristent either anyway

[native widget]

it is

according to poe2db atleast

[atomic halo]

where

[native widget]

ah

thought you were talking about cast on crit

[distant dome]

so does the support gem have to match -both- the meta gem and the active skill

to work

[native widget]

well, it has to match one of them

[atomic halo]

can you even trigger persistent buffs

[native widget]

huh

im sure it will just be active while the cast on x is active

[atomic halo]

being classified as "buff" and not "spell" i doubt that they can be triggered

[distant dome]

but all these should work?

it's just that I'd need super generic support gems?

[native widget]

i dont know why you would do this tho

why would you put offering skills on cwc in the first place

[distant dome]

Well for power offering, I'd put that by itself

On Cw channeling or cast on crit

for bonestorm

infinite power charges basically

for Pain offering, if it stacked with +1 limit (which it likely doesn't), it'd be worth a ton of stats to minions

and for Bone offering

Absorbing 1 hit, if it does it completely

is something kinda big to spam

Keep my zombies/unearth minions up

[native widget]

its prob gonna cast less than once per 2 seconds

[neat merlin]

Theres a skill that consumes a corpse for a power charge with less delay, maybe thats better than power offering

[distant dome]

I don't want to count on corpses during boss fights

[neat merlin]

No wait, nvm not on PoE2db

profane ritual I think

[distant dome]

yep

that's the one

But say you put power offering on bonestorm. You'd get one Power Charge per cast, which gets consumed by the bonestorm

[neat merlin]

But just thinking you can have both

[distant dome]

and you don't have to stop casting damage to gain a power offering

With something like 35% extra power offering support gem, you will actually slowly gain power offerings

which can then be used on empowered zombies

[near acorn]

no, you can support the triggered skills with appropriate supports. They don't also need to support the meta skill -- not sure what would

[distant dome]

without ever needing a corpse or manual casting power offering

[distant dome]

thank you

so this combo for charges while casting bonestorm

With enough crit chance, cast on critical may be more efficent, since bonestorm does SO MANY projectiles

like 15+

[proven quest]

Do you have power offering linked with perpetual charge?

[distant dome]

that would be the plan. they should work together right?

wait

wrong thing

I could sweart there was one that was chance for extra charge.. oh wait, that was skill tree

maybe

sec

[proven quest]

Ya I think it was skill tree

10% chance to gain up to max, and +1 max power charge

[distant dome]

yeah rip, no need for perpetual there, it'd be on zombies

[near acorn]

I will just note that triggering a 103 mana cost spell every second or so will be hard to sustain. Plenty of ways to do it ofc, but it ain't free

[distant dome]

which spell is that?

[proven quest]

I expected you'd have to pay for the triggered spells, but is that confirmed or still just assumed based on poe1?

[near acorn]

power offering is 103 according to poe2db

[distant dome]

huh

[near acorn]

lol

reading the tea leaves over here 😁 ignore me

[distant dome]

It's okay! I'm here to ask a LOT OF DUMB QUESTIONS

It's better to be the person asking dumb questions, than be the person who stays dumb for never having asked the question

[shrewd socket]

enfeeble or temp chain?

[proven quest]

For what build?

[tough jolt]

https://poe2skills.com/share?data=N4IgdghgtgpiBcIDOALA9gFwwTwAQFk0wBrEAGhACMBXASwBsATBAbVCWIfoRADMAnCAHNYYDBAy0iufmmphGScsmoAHVWn4Yl8Fn1kAvGGFwA3TRhgAPZbTAxTtcZXoxcAY35Pa7iNwq0siZCXqrK5vSu2Mq8mqQAugC+ZOyckTxp9HZCuKp+UMpIahpaOnqUMCgwEMwUMFAaAO4w-DCMuIzQwnAUNYxtuLyBbp1Q3TG0LXj9Eii2QmDeRCBJKciZPI0Qpm5ovIOySBiFxRZlIBq0SNLuKBBg7j1U1PxH2bn0wtRP7pqHUmBbI9cJQnD80ExcsYYBhBJJlqtUlweJYGjAjiCYOkKEV1GdWCAhJ93LQJADlKDJGAcr8mBTXANbvdHvS7MxEetkYheFl3MQWrgjl5+Sc8aUCe56GgkG5flBKBJlNYYO5qJZlIIhE9oDRUBTWhBiLhjIwXsy4ByOFzkLRVOhFtTBbDaCKcadxboQJqYLF+FraiATS93kd5EoKPw1ShXEhwyA+gMskIUBgHTlRuNevwoHJ+MarKopUhyZaNty-FlHRgUPJ+vxRSVtATOgZsoV0HyPHcHk9aA0IO4MIKO8QtjtlP1TBAjhILckkelEFPqPQqTk+3lBw38Z6AFbCf24EJyBTKCAG3B7Y28Xgq44UMZ95RoHb8JotFbzzmLkB2W-8SB6A8fhojdMUm09YxvXaLZ+E8UCvWEd54InCBW0dFCkiSIA

[glass skiff]

or is there some interaction im missing?

[distant dome]

Is this "20% chance per projecile" or "20% chance / number of projectiles in base skill"

[shrewd socket]

does anyone know what skill is causing this white circle effects

[distant dome]

is "critical hit chance" and "Critical hit chance for spells" seperate stats? or is that just this github thing.

oh

there's specific for attacks

and spells

and maybe non-specific as well?

[pseudo charm]

generic, spells, attacks.

[distant dome]

kk

looking at nodes from witch down to Lust for Power

saw some crit

and was like hrmmm

Uhhh, do these Flail nodes apply their crit chance to spells cast while using them? or only on attacks.

Cuz this is 60% increased crit chance with what's been shown so far

[alpine vigil]

Only attacks unless there's some special node

Or unique etc

[distant dome]

k

[thin basin]

curse > minion dies > cold stuff and chaos hit build freeze > consume freeze w dd hows this cooking

[misty shell]

Viperesque said something about flat chance not being a thing anymore

#2┃general message

[vocal carbon]

It's the Witchhunter ascendancy node that explodes mobs on death

[amber oar]

Why does it grant a shield skill and then also say "Cannot use shield skills"?

[amber oar]

I might be wrong but I thought I heard a video say this was from one of the abilities or nodes that causes mobs to explode doing X amount of their health as dmg

They said the X was the explode mechanic

[wheat socket]

yeah, ziggy. Witchhunter explode node

[thick pecan]

117 armor damn

[distant dome]

thanks!

[amber oar]

I keep thinking about a super tanky block build that uses the Wailing Wall shield above and then just dodge rolls constantly. Then pop up every once in a while and hammer of god ignites.

I am HORRIBLE at boss mechanics so if I do this then I don't have to learn boss mechanics at all.

[gusty bone]

What are the options to fill the remaining 25% to FIre if I am to get the Avatar of Fire node?

[midnight bolt]

wait for dec 6 and see the passive tree

[atomic halo]

the skill implicit is tied to the base

they can change it but i guess they didnt feel like it

tbh its kinda weird & inconsistent that some uniques have different implicits so im glad they keep it consistent that way, even if it looks a little weird

[amber oar]

so the consensus is I can't manually lift my shield to manually block?

[atomic halo]

not with that shield you cant

consensus implies there is a discussion, i think it's pretty clear that you cant use the implicit skill

[amber oar]

ok that is fine i will just dodge roll around constantly and rely on max block to recover energy shield

[bold raft]

Wait for some streamer to test it if you're still having some hope if itl work or not

[hoary plover]

so are people down on merc/witchhunter in general now or just for nades where it seems like we're leaning deadeye being better

[gusty bone]

Can you support curses that are inside the Blasphemy Meta gem?

[misty shell]

There is a reason the supports come with a reservation multi

[atomic halo]

yeah

[thin basin]

do we know how much energy is needed to trigger all the cast on x spells? from what i can tell seems like its around 100 max normally while other have max based on all the socketed spells cast time

[midnight bolt]

it is stated on each gem separatly

[thin basin]

so how much is "max" on here

[cinder raven]

For most it's 10 max energy per 0.1 cast time

[cinder raven]

They haven't released it yet

[midnight bolt]

thats not a full gem description

we have to wait for full release to see

[thin basin]

10 per 0.1 for all of them sounds fair

[cinder raven]

For each

Not all

[static plinth]

Currently we havent seen any. Honestly conversion seems a lot rarer so it may be really hard to get

Oh ig you can use a fire skill

But thatll only convert phys to fire

[coral spoke]

Can you use Energy Barriar on the Raise Shield implicit to get hugh amounts of regen? Would one have to annoint Back in Action to reduce the stun and block recovery to managable levels?

[tacit kayak]

Sending positive energy to all the chefs who are working on cooking up something special

[cinder raven]

Don't send energy,
Help out in the kitchen

https://tenor.com/view/sei-seiyans-sei-cook-let-us-cook-gif-10444588541577413068

[rapid turtle]

Yo hey guys 🙂 Im a little late to the party, anyone got good ways to gain power charges?
Tryin to make a chrono-bonestorm build 😄

[cinder raven]

Power offering

Have some temp minions get poked

[rapid turtle]

Its basically just a skill where u gain a pc after said duration right? no real need for minions?

[static plinth]

It kills a minion for the charge

[rapid turtle]

Ah I see.. so I'd need to bring that, too..
isnt there a better way? Do we know about anything Ralakesh-like?

[cinder raven]

You could automate it

Cast on minion death

[static plinth]

well ralakesh wouldnt work on bonestorm You could get Resonance and get endurance charges

[rapid turtle]

Does perpetual charge work with bonestorm? it should I assume?

[cinder raven]

Remind me what it is again

[rapid turtle]

might not be worth it tho..

[cinder raven]

35% chance ain't worth the dps loss

[rapid turtle]

whats resonance again? in the skilltree?

[cinder raven]

Yep it's a notable

[rapid turtle]

Gonna check thatz

[cinder raven]

But do you have a good way to get endurance charges?

[rapid turtle]

Not yet 😄

Ah resonance was the "your endurance charges are also your power charges" thing?

[cinder raven]

No,
You gain x instead of y charges

[rapid turtle]

Oh kk

[cinder raven]

So when you get x it becomes y and you can't get x unless you get z

[rapid turtle]

Yeah I think I remember what you mean

[cinder raven]

You could try adding on increase limit support on power offering to make it fast

Along with less duration

And once you automate it you can get charges faster than you can use em

[rapid turtle]

Default for Power Offering is 10? So would that be 10 power charges? In 3.8s?
with the support making it 11 in ~1.9s?

[cinder raven]

1/1.5

Basically 3.8 x 0.66

[cinder raven]

Where did you get 3.8 s from?

[rapid turtle]

I think I don't understand the skill yet..

I thought you impale a minion and after those 3.8s you get a charge?
But I assume thats wrong huh?

[cinder raven]

Oh ig I didn't reload my website

[cinder raven]

No that's right

So with less duration + increase limit it will be 3.8/1.8

So every 2.1 s

[static plinth]

Keystone

[cinder raven]

My bad

Biggest circle

[rapid turtle]

So that would be 1/1.5*3.8s = ~2.54sec?

[cinder raven]

Yes only with limit increase

With less duration it becomes 2.1 s

[rapid turtle]

Ah less duration also true

so.. how do I get 10 casts per ~2sec + my power charge limit to 11? 😄

[cinder raven]

As of now only max 4 power charge

Assuming 3 base and 1 from tree

I have not updated myself with the up to date data so smth new mightve come out

[cinder raven]

Manually casting seems painful so I'd just depend on cast on minion death

I think you can have 2 loops for comd

[rapid turtle]

Yeah me neither.. assuming 4 charges - i'd need 4 casts..

yeah either minion deaths or cast while channeling with faster casting

?

[cinder raven]

So have 1 for minion summons and 1 for power offering

[cinder raven]

Is there a cast while channeling?

[static plinth]

There is

Its kinda slow though

[cinder raven]

Why am I not getting this on poe2db?

[rapid turtle]

Yeah I'd need to channel at least 5.34s.. with faster casting etc.

Wait.. do I even need more than 1 power charge?
Like ofc it would increase my dmg but the "spike explosion" is gonna occure either way right?

[cinder raven]

Yeah dmg remains same

You get the explosion regardless of power charges

Even at 0

I assumed you wanted bigger explosions to shotgun

[rapid turtle]

Oh rly? It says "consume your power charges to cause the spikes to explode on impact. ..."

[static cipher]

can you guys give me opinion on some numbers im getting in melee build? As it pertains to damage, stun, and armour?

I dont know how multiplicatives work etc

[cinder raven]

Send me the updated one pls

[proven quest]

depends on what it's for. I think that on flicker strike for mapping will be great. Don't really need the 6th link

[cinder raven]

Where are you getting the new data from?

[cinder raven]

Yeah we are talking about a different skill

[rapid turtle]

Im just using poe2skills.com, not sure if thats accurate data/updated

[cinder raven]

Ah well I have smth different

[static cipher]

https://tenor.com/view/cat-this-is-a-cry-for-help-help-help-me-lord-help-me-gif-1631346409026690561

[rapid turtle]

Hm.. well.. dang 😄

[proven quest]

I think it still applies to most skills honestly. The QOL in not having to get your charges back might be very nice

[cinder raven]

Not if you can keep generating them

For flicker you can't generate during the skill

That's the issue

[rapid turtle]

Oh I see.. well.. we'll see.. idk which one I like better

[proven quest]

Of course, I'm just saying I don't think you should rule it out

[cinder raven]

The one I sent is much better for shotgunning I'd say

Since bigger explosions = overlaps

[static cipher]

Isn't there that passive that changes charges from one type to another? It says you cant earn power charges iirc, can you earn the other charge and transform it into a power charge to get around the restriction?

[cinder raven]

Yes resonance

[gritty ether]

Are there any aoe pull effects in early access?

[cinder raven]

Opposite of knock back?

[gritty ether]

Ya, pull enemies to you

[proven quest]

Resonance says gain power instead of frenzy, so you're still gaining power charges. I don't think that'll work unfortunately

[cinder raven]

I don't think so

[static cipher]

😦

[rapid turtle]

True for sure..I wonder what "more power charges" would give you in the other variant

[cinder raven]

Yeah you will have to generate endurance charges

[cinder raven]

As of now I see just explosion

[proven quest]

I think Precedent was trying to get around the "can't generate power charges" restriction of flicker strike, but Resonance still gains the charge (gains power instead of frenzy) so you still wouldn't be able to gain power

[static cipher]

Flickerstrike is bae 😦

[cinder raven]

Just siphoning strike

[static cipher]

Im doing melee gemling bonk build because duelist/marauder arent out yet and no spin2win

lol

[cinder raven]

I'd suggest monk

[proven quest]

I think Flicker Strike with Mantra of Destruction will go pretty hard

[static cipher]

this is what i've worked up so far but I cant see half the nodes lol

[cinder raven]

The quarterstaff notable will be pretty good flicker

Click and drag

The tree

[proven quest]

The one that counts as consuming an additional charge? I think that notable is very good

[cinder raven]

Yep

Especially if flicker uses only 1 pc per activation

[proven quest]

16 guaranteed crits with 177% scaling and 90% increased crit damage is pretty juicy

[proven quest]

What do you mean if it only uses one?

[cinder raven]

If the skill uses all power charges on one single activation the notable will give effect of only +1 power charge

So if you use 4 pc it will make the effect 5

But if you use 1 it makes it 2

Essentially 4 activations gives effect of 8 pcs

Much more effective than 5

[rapid turtle]

Wherte is it/what is it called?

[cinder raven]

It's called one with the storm

[rapid turtle]

Ah dang its quarterstaff only

[cinder raven]

Yep

Makes it absolutely bonkers for flicker

[rapid turtle]

Yeah

[gusty bone]

Do all fire spells that damage have a base chance to ignite?

[cinder raven]

On poe 1 it was on crit

Ignite would apply

Unless you specifically got chance to ignite

[proven quest]

That’s true, for clearing it might be best to use the skill on one power charge. But for bossing, I think you’ll want to buff your attacks so you get the biggest bang for your buck

[proven quest]

One with the storm as designer said. Far right side of the tree, there’s 2 clusters of staff nodes

[rapid turtle]

Yeah tyvm, found it allready! 🙂

[cinder raven]

I mean the only qualm with flicker on poe 1 was it was quishy since you didn't know where you went

But since poe 2 is much slower

You could be too fast to be touched

[proven quest]

Chance to ignite is based on a value called the ailment threshold. For every 100% of the ailment threshold of an enemy, you have a 25% chance to ignite

[rapid turtle]

Quick question: Bonestorm deals physical dmg right? Not chaos or cold or somethin? (by default)

[proven quest]

Ya for mapping it might be the case. Having to generate power charges is annoying though haha

[cinder raven]

There's 10% chance to get to max pc on getting 1

And using siphoning strike is like flicker

[proven quest]

You still have to get 1 though haha. Might be some cool ways to do it though. Cast on melee kill with flicker strike might go hard

[daring jay]

depends on uniques

[cinder raven]

I personally would use flicker for mapping and falling thunder for bossing

[daring jay]

flicker can be insane for bossing too

if you use hunters mark

[cinder raven]

You can't gain charges during skill

[proven quest]

Cast one melee kill profane ritual should proc every 4 kills. Flicker strike with 1 power charge and one with the storm would be 7 hits. But profane ritual has a duration, so it should end and give you a power charge after flicker strike ends

If you can kill at least 4 enemies with those hits

[daring jay]

well with my current build planning i get 11 flicker hits per charge gain (without the 10% chance to gain max) so you just hit with another attack until you gain a charge

if you play flicker you wanna juice it up

flicker will hit really hard and be a waste not to use on bosses too i would imagine

[cinder raven]

How will you get 11 hits per charge?

[proven quest]

How are you getting 11 hits per charge?

[daring jay]

there is a lot of insane supports

have you not looked through the poe2db?

30% chance not to spend charge

[cinder raven]

Ah that one

35%

[daring jay]

wait wait wait ill find the rest

atleast 2 more

[cinder raven]

Do we have multistrike?

[daring jay]

35% chance not to spend charge
+1 hit from extended combo (if worth)
30% chance to gain an additional charge

[proven quest]

Multi charge?

[cinder raven]

Source for 30% chance to gain?
Since you can't gain charges during the skill

[daring jay]

30% chance to gain an extra charge

you gain charge before using the skill

its all on poe2db

[proven quest]

Are you saying you’d link that with flicker strike? Or that it’s a way to gain an extra charge before flicker strike?

Because multiple charge won’t work linked with flicker strike

[cinder raven]

Still comes down to 7.69 strikes per charge on avg, without one with the storm

[daring jay]

you just use it on the skill that you generate charge with.

[proven quest]

Ok, so you’re calculating how many strikes to can get per time you would gain a charge

[cinder raven]

Yeah OK 10.7 on avg per charge

[native widget]

what does critical weakness do exactly?

[daring jay]

imma calculate it again

[thorny path]

+0.5% base crit per stack, max 20 stacks, 4 second duration

[native widget]

humm

so a few things, are stack duration independent and does it apply to all other skills as well

[thorny path]

1. no idea, probably independent, sounds super op if it wasn't
2. applies to any hit, your other skills, minions, whatever

[native widget]

i see

would eye of winter be ideal to apply debuff and freeze with?

[daring jay]

but thats without the 10% chance to gain max charges (which i have no idea how to calculate) xDD

and there is still 2 more power charge nodes we dont know yet

[native widget]

how quickly can people datamine lol

[daring jay]

and maybe there is some kind of charge generating node on monk ascendancy but thats unlikely

[cinder raven]

I'm going purely off of flicker only,
Because stopping to gain power charges is not part of the calculation

[daring jay]

they can 100% do it in 18 hours haha

[cinder raven]

That's another skill entirely

[native widget]

apprantly predownload come out just 18 hour before launch

[upper cargo]

What is the difference between cast on shock and elemental invocation? Cast on shock can only give you 20 energy per shock once per spell but elemental invocation doesnt say 1 spell cant give you multiple charges via hitting multiple mobs?

So why does everyone seem to want to use cast of shock instead?

[daring jay]

wdym?

[native widget]

you need to cast EI manually

and you can stack up a bunch of energy on EI

[proven quest]

Also I’m still hoping that one with the storm will count as consuming 1 power charge when you consume 0

[native widget]

so it will cast multiple times

[daring jay]

im talking hits per charge which i think you do too or?

[cinder raven]

Flicker can't generate charges so using another skill to generate charges is not correct in calculating strikes per charge

[knotty spruce]

So what do the monk quorterstaff abilities scale off of?

[upper cargo]

well yeah that was the point of EI since only 4 shocks will charge it fully. What do you mean cast manually? As in when I trigger it I have to sit there for multiple spell casts of what it has stored or 1 spell cast and it will shoot out x amount stored

[native widget]

uhhh

4 shocks doesnt charge it fully?

[daring jay]

there is literally no other way to do it still hella confused haha

[upper cargo]

it gives 125 energy per shock. Max energy is 500. so 4 shocks no?

[native widget]

it doesnt?

[cinder raven]

What are we calculating here?
Strikes per charge for flicker?

[native widget]

it gives 20?

[daring jay]

yes

[thorny path]

That's per freeze

[native widget]

wtf

[upper cargo]

Is this skill gem wrong?

[daring jay]

but we dont have to think about generation when thinking about strikes per charge

[native widget]

yes

[thorny path]

uh where'd you get that screenshot

[upper cargo]

its off poe2skills

on their build thingie

[thorny path]

I would not use that site

[cinder raven]

OK so keep in mind flicker can't generate charges to sustain therefore you can't have charge gain in the calcs

[native widget]

use poe2db instead

[thorny path]

poe2db is a safer bet for accuracy

[upper cargo]

T_T

[thorny path]

keep in mind literally everything is subject to change tho

[native widget]

125 energy per shock would be rediculous lmao

[daring jay]

yeah i wasnt talking about generating charges with flicker

[native widget]

basically free loop

[upper cargo]

yea hence you could see why I was confused people trying to use cast on shock lmao

[daring jay]

i was talking about the 10% chance to gain max charges when gaining one. Thats apart of the generation before using flicker

[upper cargo]

Wait

its the same damn gem on poe2db

[native widget]

dude read again

[upper cargo]

wait lmao

im cooked

[cinder raven]

I'm just gonna use siphoning strike to generate charges

[upper cargo]

cough cough

wait so why does freeze give 125 or is that a typo lol

[native widget]

i think thats correct

[knotty spruce]

Anyone able to say what rhe quarterstaff abilities usualy scale off? Wondering if spell dmg helps with it

[rapid turtle]

might be typo.. but freeze is harder to achieved I assume

[native widget]

freeze is supposed to be harder than ignite and shock

[thorny path]

They are all attack damage

[knotty spruce]

Hm so gona be hard goin my chronomonk

[thorny path]

Attack, Melee, Two-Handed damage would all work

[daring jay]

only annoying thing about siphoning strike is that it can't shock on its own so you have to use another ability to do that

[rapid turtle]

do we have acces to mark/curse on hit?

[thorny path]

None so far

Hand of Chayula is the closest to that

[atomic halo]

no, rn there's blasphemy and hand of chayula

[thorny path]

but probably not what you mean

[cinder raven]

Just use it twice,
Once to shock and once to consume

[proven quest]

Hmm, I didn’t know that. Poe2db doesn’t have complete info on the gem. Where’d you see that?

[native widget]

question, any cold damage can build chill and freeze right? unless stated otherwise

[pseudo charm]

then you these two

[daring jay]

im like 90% sure it was blue text under siphoning strike 2-3 days ago. I was literally thinking of using it for generation but saw that it couldnt shock and looked for other ways but they must have changed it

[thorny path]

Yes, only cold damage can freeze/chill by default

[proven quest]

That also assumes you are shocking every hit which may not be the case

[thorny path]

Only lightning can shock, fire can ignite, etc

[daring jay]

u could use stormweaver to apply shock with other sources but thats niche

[thorny path]

yes you could

for 4 ascendancy points

[daring jay]

yup

[native widget]

Eye of winter (cold exposure, biting cold, Glaciation, Hypothermia, Frost Nexus) to charge EI, viable?

[thorny path]

Eye of Winter does a bunch of really small hits, I'd rather use Frostbolt instead

But you wanted the Critical Weakness debuff right?

[cinder raven]

You can take shaper of storms to shock with all dmg

[native widget]

yeah thats the main reason why im using it

[native widget]

i mean, a bunch of small hits and one big hit should build up freeze the same rightg?

[thorny path]

Might not be the case, idk tho

[native widget]

why is there no blue text under frostbolt on poe2db lol

[thorny path]

Something about hit damage affecting buildup magnitude

[daring jay]

i honestly think imma go the combat frenzy route until i find a unique that helps with charge generation

would rather gain garanteed 1 power charge every 5-6 sec than having it be random

[thorny path]

did somebody forget what type of charge flicker strike uses now

[daring jay]

you can convert frenzy to power

did you forget? xD

[thorny path]

whole lot of work to force a one button build

[daring jay]

not a lot of work honestly

[thorny path]

opportunity cost all out of whack

[daring jay]

the keystone is on the way towards other things anyways

[thorny path]

30 spirit and a keystone to get one charge every 5 seconds

[daring jay]

30 spirit but you can put insane buffs on it as supports

[thorny path]

cost multiplier

[daring jay]

well 10% of 30 is 3 spirit

3 spirit for 20% increased mana regen seems fine

6 for perma 1.5% life per sec

[rapid turtle]

What 30 spirit are you talking about?

[daring jay]

i heard they are changing that though so maybe bad ingame

combat frenzy

[thorny path]

Why not just use Lingering Illusion and be able to actually get charges in boss fights

[daring jay]

hunters mark

you would generate even more charges than in open world

1 charge per crit you deal

[thorny path]

sniper's mark is the name

[upper cargo]

wait are certain skills locked to classes? that why it says (ranger) ?

[daring jay]

you just have to re-apply the mark

who cares

[thorny path]

poe2db guy just put that for organizational purposes, not in game

[thorny path]

crazy opportunity cost

[daring jay]

just use hand of chayula

[thorny path]

not just the application part

[olive tide]

why not cast on crit the mark

[daring jay]

you could yeah

[olive tide]

and if spirit reservation is the issue u can just slot that in for the boss fights tbh

[thorny path]

spend 20+ seconds applying mark, fishing for crit, reapplying mark until full charges to finally do any damage at all is crazy

[thorny path]

100 spirit is an omegalul for this

[rapid turtle]

Can we get Bonestorm to freeze enemies somehow?

[daring jay]

20+ seconds??? you literally hit 1 button. fishing for crit? you just dmg like you would anyways. And whenever you gain 1 charge you spend it

[thorny path]

If you got a source of phys to cold, maybe

[bold raft]

You add the cold damage support gems to it

[daring jay]

because you have +1 charge per use of flicker when you consume a charge so it would be decent

[olive tide]

i think added cold only applies to attacks

[rapid turtle]

Added cold dmg should work, no?

Is that effective tho?

[thorny path]

Only for attacks

[olive tide]

the way i read is its only for attack skills

[bold raft]

Probably will need to depend on Skelly frostmancers for cold damage

[rapid turtle]

Dang.. Bonestorm + Hypothermia won't be enough right? Since its no cold dmg

[shrewd socket]

what does pin/pinning mean?

[olive tide]

you may be able to add cold damage to spells and scale it somehow but not sure how reliable itll be

my undertsanding is pin is like a root

[thorny path]

Status effect/ailment, roots enemies in place

[rapid turtle]

Think "impaling" they get put on a big spike

[shrewd socket]

what does "pins enemies as tough dealing 50% more dmg"? i dont get it

[rapid turtle]

If you manage to pin them, you deal 50% more dmg

[thorny path]

All cc ailments, like freeze or in this case pin, use a buildup system. The more damage you deal, the more the ailment builds up, until it finally reaches the threshold and actually happens. That line just means the damage dealt by Bone Cage contributes 50% more towards Pin buildup than it otherwise would

[shrewd socket]

but i guss you can only pin enemies where you dont need the 50% more dmg? makes that line kinda useless, right?

[shrewd socket]

got it

ty

[knotty spruce]

So if i wanted to build quarterstaff abilities on a sorc for example what do yall think would be best to go? Is it just like melee damage or ailments? Sorry im new to cooking shit lol

[olive tide]

its sort of relative.. if ur mainly relying on phys damage then youd want melee damage. if ur using it proc ailments then switching to like a ranged or spell based weapon then just scale the ailments from it

[thorny path]

You would have to try to use Sorc's strengths. She probably has a lot of elemental damage in her section of the tree, so maybe you could try converting all your damage to elemental and scale it that way

But I wouldn't try to make a build this off-class until well after the EA starts

[native widget]

i wonder if Inspiration support apply to spirit reservation cost

[thorny path]

Quarterstaff Sorceress is not what I would consider a league starter

[olive tide]

so you wont be going poison sorc flicker strike? XD

[thorny path]

no I will not lol

Some of the builds people are trying to convince other people are good when we have no full passive tree or ascendancy info is crazy

[daring jay]

Anyone know how to chill an enemy? is it just by doing cold dmg or?

[thorny path]

Less difficult than freeze but it's more than just doing cold damage

Just % chance rn I think

[daring jay]

hmmm

[thorny path]

With the magnitude from hit damage

[olive tide]

i dont need the whole tree to know my build is gonna work... pure copium all day

[thorny path]

riiiiiight

[olive tide]

[daring jay]

from what ive seen you could easily freeze mobs in 1 or max 2 hits

im thinking about how difficult it might be to chill and enemy if you just freeze them xD

[native widget]

frozen enemies also counts as chilled i think

[daring jay]

ohhh that would be sick!

[native widget]

wait let me cook

first use this to apply freeze
Eye of winter (cold exposure, biting cold, Glaciation, Hypothermia, Unleash

which will trigger this
Cast on freeze arc(chain, biting frost, critical damage, overcharge

which will trigger this
EI comet (spell echo, Minion Pact, conc effect, Execute

[daring jay]

xDDDDDD

what is happening haha

[native widget]

and the comet will repeatedly trigger cast on freeze

holy shit

10000000000 IQ

[daring jay]

sad thing is flicker is attack and those skills are spell so you can't scale both well

i guess you could go weapon swap

[native widget]

lmao didnt say i was gonna use flicker

[daring jay]

oh

[native widget]

yeah

fuck melee

[daring jay]

xD

[native widget]

spell casting is the way

[daring jay]

okay im pretty sure just generating power charges the normal way is better

[native widget]

btw on top of that i will have archmage active and sigil of power casted

[daring jay]

@thorny path I did just see the monk footage again and it looked like he shocked the target pretty much 50% of the time

which will generate a shit load of charges

[thorny path]

You mean the showcase with the sorceress?

[pastel forge]

You'll need a wand+scepter set up to have enough spirit for archmage+cof+ei, so no power sigil I believe

[native widget]

i can have that on weapon swap

[pastel forge]

That depends on whether Cof/ei is active in the offhand, but I think not?

[native widget]

not sure

but guess we will see

[pastel forge]

Otherwise everyone will run sceptre on swap

[shrewd socket]

do we know how many spirit we will have in late game?

[thorny path]

Nobody knows

[pastel forge]

Rumoured 180 spirit uninvested

[knotty spruce]

Oo good shout and most likely gona go archmage mana spam chrono but still gons try this relatively early lol

[thorny path]

180 is a complete guess

Saw we get 30 in act one and literally said "oh we must get 30 in all the acts"

[pastel forge]

We have seen 100 spirit on previews before

And 2 acts giving 30 each

[thorny path]

That's what I think the actual number will be

[pastel forge]

So it's all a guess

[thorny path]

And beyond that you'll have to invest in

• all the witch vids have a 100 spirit sceptre being used

[native widget]

we will prob know in less than 3 days lol

you can also get some spirit from runes i think

[pastel forge]

So far we have not seen any passives that gives spirit or reduce reservation except for minions

So likely have to be sceptre users

[native widget]

i think there might be

[thorny path]

Spirit was on a soul core which is supposed to be the ones with the really good mods

15 spirit for a weapon rune slot

[native widget]

theres 30

[pastel forge]

Unless they added them last minute, dreamcore showed no such thing unfortunately in his minor spoiler videos

[native widget]

soul core is supposed to be hard to obtain right

[thorny path]

yeah

exclusive to Ultimatum/Trial of Chaos

[daring jay]

no the one with the monk doing breach

this is just flat 40% chance to shock on hit or??

if so its stupid easy to shock

[thorny path]

idk

[daring jay]

wait it might be like stupid easy to gain power charges 🤣

i was thinking of freezing then shocking (for the 20% chance to gain a power charge) then siphoning strike if they are still alive to gain a power charge

but might even be whatever to freeze before

if you can just aoe shock and basically garantee someone is shocked

[upper cargo]

So how does slotting clarity into this work? It makes the base spirit cost more but does it scale the cost of your spells too?

[native widget]

no?

archmage have no cost

[upper cargo]

it reserves spirit so slotting clarity in would make it cost more spirit yes?

[native widget]

not sure

might

[upper cargo]

Would it scale the 5.35% increase on spell cost too?

[native widget]

no

its blue text

thats an effect

and it effects spells

archmage is not even a spell

[upper cargo]

okay so clarity should only change the base reserve cost then

or maybe not

idk

[native widget]

yes

[daring jay]

It will yes jonathan said so in a recent dev interview. He also said they are gonna change it so supports in spirit gems will give a flat increase in spirit resevation

i would guess like 10 spirit per gem or so

maybe 5

[upper cargo]

Yea was just more worried clarity would make archmage make spells cost more too kek

[native widget]

humm

[daring jay]

yeah i highly doubt it will be like that

[upper cargo]

since I cant run a 2nd spirit skill till I get 200 figured id slot clarity and vitalty into archmage

[daring jay]

only thing is can you sustain you mana usage before getting to the point where you got 200 spirit anyways

i think it might be a early mapping kinda thing to use archmage but who knows

[worthy cliff]

Hello, quick question. Is the "occult" tab here for sceptres? So does that mean sceptres are specifically for necromantic skills?

[native widget]

sceptre is GOOD for minion skills

not specifically

[worthy cliff]

im wondering how the tab works, there are specific weapons and non specific weapons listed, I don't see sceptre listed so was wondering if sceptre are primarily for occult tab?

[native widget]

i dont think any spells are weapon specific

so i doubt there will be any wand/sceptre/staff requiring skills

[worthy cliff]

Huh, I thought these were weapon specific, like the mace tab here

[native widget]

a lot of those are.

and they are not spells.

they are attacks

they sorted spells into elemental and occult

[worthy cliff]

Ohhh, so sceptres don't have weapon specific attacks im guessing.

[native widget]

yea

[worthy cliff]

unlike the mace

[daring jay]

if i got CI, so im 1 total hp, how much hp will my illusion have? it got 20% of my maximum life