2┃build-planning

[proper pagoda]

well searing flame is also a multiplier in ignite effect so i think it could still be more valuable than 31%. im not toos rue though

[drifting cedar]

more is more, right? all multiplicative

[proper pagoda]

and yes frostfire is insane. if i can find a way to use it i will. with the info we have i cant figure out how to get a freeze though especially cause im using avatar of fire

[maiden karma]

You're not freezing with avatar

[drifting cedar]

will need a shaper of frost or equivalent

[proper pagoda]

yeah prob not. thats one of the reasons i thought about infernalist maybe being a better ascend

or sorc

but we have no info so

[maiden karma]

With the tools we have now, melee ignite just isn't good

[proper pagoda]

frostfire is so busted that if u can pick an ascend that lets you use it its basically gg

[maiden karma]

Spells

[proper pagoda]

https://media1.tenor.com/m/8mddYUccA9cAAAAd/wrong-drumpf.gif

[drifting cedar]

if only you could avatar of fire with weapon skills

[maiden karma]

Ignite is so easy to do with spells

[proper pagoda]

yeah but hammer of gods > any spell

[maiden karma]

If you want to frostfire then just pop a comet

[eternal pilot]

I mean I can agree that it might be strong specifically for hammer of the gods. but having a build around an ability with that cd is going to feel worse than retaliation

[proper pagoda]

its not gonna feel bad when u literally 1 tap bosses

dont need to wait on a cd when boss is dead xD

[drifting cedar]

I think bleed + stun aggravation hammer has boss deletion potential

[eternal pilot]

You really think thats going to happen?

[maiden karma]

There's a good chance most bosses will be phase gated

[proper pagoda]

yes i genuinely do. my napkin math is like 6 mil in 1 hammer and i genuinely think its pretty conservative values. i think people calced xesht hp to be like 2-3 mil?

and with cdr from merc my cd is like 16 seconds, ignite duration should be well over 10 seconds

[eternal pilot]

tier 1 Xesht

[proper pagoda]

so my uptime on the ignite should honestly be very high

[thorny path]

How'd you calc that

[maiden karma]

That was the first Xesht without the atlas nodes that level him up

[thorny path]

+0 xesht

[proper pagoda]

#1312802456564137984 message i put it in here

[proper pagoda]

i know but if im hitting for twice his hp with what to me is a pretty conservative setup...

should be able to do higher tiers pretty well

[maiden karma]

He'll have both tons more hp and resists

[thorny path]

650% more

Is this poe2 or poe1

[proper pagoda]

i put all the multis in there. i think its realistic idk

[midnight bolt]

naah flameblast is way stronger

[proper pagoda]

if im cooked tell me xD

[proper pagoda]

https://media1.tenor.com/m/8mddYUccA9cAAAAd/wrong-drumpf.gif

[thorny path]

I think this has a zero percent chance of being possible

[proper pagoda]

why

[maiden karma]

We also know that searing touch has a skill called living bomb on it

[thorny path]

There's like 4 different layers of assumptions

weapon damage assumption

[proper pagoda]

which ones are cooked?

[thorny path]

increased and more assumption

even the dual wield assumption

and is that Giant's blood?

[proper pagoda]

we already saw a level 52 mace with 0 qual and what looks like mediocre phys rolls was like 200-350 damage

im GIGA confident u can get well over a 300-500 mace

yes giants blood

increased i know for af act im way under on

like WAY under

i can legit show you 200% increased within 20 pts of warrior start...

theres a 100% increase from 3 passives alone...

[thorny path]

can you show 700 strength too

[proper pagoda]

just get strength on gear and every node

ez

[thorny path]

oh yeah ez

[proper pagoda]

but tbh i dont even need giants blood. take out 40% multi if u want, still strong

[maiden karma]

700 is gonna need investment

[thorny path]

I would go with something that has maybe a little less massive assumptions

[proper pagoda]

yes it will need investment. im fine if u wanna say thats unrealistic. take out a 40% multi

[drifting cedar]

poison chronomancer you say? seems fun

[proper pagoda]

i think i can get the strength and it will be multid by my ascend 20% life

i mean i still dont see what assumption is crazy

if u wanna say u cant use giants blood then fine ill take it out

but thats only a 40% multi

[drifting cedar]

wish we had some numbers on things like this

like, that support could make pack clearing a breeze or be irrelevant

for fire melee

[maiden karma]

For ignite you'd also probably want flammability and temp chains

[proper pagoda]

yeah. probably blasphemy them

[maiden karma]

But 2 curses on warrior won't fly

[proper pagoda]

or just cast tbh, either way

yes it will. u probably path to sorc anyway

[drifting cedar]

gender locked per class

[thorny path]

I just noticed you have crit on I thought you said no crit

[drifting cedar]

the classes are real characters in the lore, not just faceless stand-ins for the player

[proper pagoda]

its in the sheet but its doing nothing. its multiply the damage by 1. i should have deleted it but i just wanted it in there to test stuff

[drifting cedar]

this is not build planning, take this bait back to general please

[thorny path]

You set increased crit to 0, the crit damage is 100% it's a bonus so that still adds damage

It's not a multi like poe1 anymore

[proper pagoda]

nah i know i made it confusing but its just 1x. look at "precrit dps" and "dps"

its the same number

cause its multiplying by 1

but yes i know the sheet doesnt make much sense ont hat part

[thorny path]

Oh I see

[proper pagoda]

yeah i didnt originally plan on sharing the hseet or anything so could have made that less confusing

same with the attack speed stuff in there. its not doing anything

i just left it in so i can test stuff

[drifting cedar]

bleed and poison are raw chance based right, not affected by damage of hit?

[proper pagoda]

pretty sure thats how it works yeah

[drifting cedar]

It would suck if doing "big ignite buildup" and its impossible to actually hit 100% ignite chance

though that seems unlikely to be the case

[proper pagoda]

yeah, i dont think so but who knows

im banking on hammer just literally always igniting because its doing so much dmg

[maiden karma]

Oh right speaking of crit, did you see the quarterstaff skill?

[proper pagoda]

which one?

[drifting cedar]

is there a new one?

[maiden karma]

I think it was called mantra of destruction

[drifting cedar]

that does look fun

[proper pagoda]

oh wow

that seems very strong

WAIT

[drifting cedar]

notably you don't have to use a quarterstaff attack on the followup hit so you can hammer of the gods it if you want

[proper pagoda]

MANTRA OF DESTRUCTION IGNITE HAMMER OF GODS?

login?

[eternal pilot]

Is there supposed to be a combo builder support gem since there are a finisher support gem?

[proper pagoda]

i actually might use this for hammer of gods...

[drifting cedar]

having a combo spender automatically makes you build combo i think

[proper pagoda]

that seems gross

[drifting cedar]

is there a crit > ailment damage avenue that we know of?

[proper pagoda]

crit scales ailment damage through the hit now

[drifting cedar]

oh wait its all based on the hit now

right right

have to unlearn so much

[proper pagoda]

bro if this works with my build... holy

instant double damage + the 90% damage bonus. wow

[drifting cedar]

why wouldn't it? use a super fast quarterstaff skill to build the combo

[maiden karma]

Unknown

[drifting cedar]

doubt it since theres no CD on transforming

[proper pagoda]

the stat requirements to use a quarterstaff could be annoying but i guess i could just use a low level one. i dont care about the damage

[drifting cedar]

probably does rule out titans grip

[proper pagoda]

yeah it might

but honestly its worth dropping titans grip for tihs

this is a gigantic damage multi

[eternal pilot]

it 100% does since its only for axes, swords and hammers

[drifting cedar]

i mean it rules out taking it

[eternal pilot]

Yeah I just mean your "probably" haha

[proper pagoda]

we were gonna weapon swap though. but stat wise this probably makes it tough to do

[eternal pilot]

Its either or

[proper pagoda]

bro this just got me so hyped

just doubled my damage

more thand oubled

[drifting cedar]

you can still technically equip a quarterstaff is what im saying, just not in one hand, but it will have double attribute reqs no?

[proper pagoda]

HOLY

15 mil

[eternal pilot]

Inbefore the test client that havoc has been showing is super old so alot of tooltips are wrong

[eternal pilot]

I have no idea how that "double stat" is going to work

[proper pagoda]

the setup for this will be so clunky though. im honestly not sure u can reliably pull it off

[drifting cedar]

should be how it works. I was just saying it probably means he can't do titan's grip because he would need double requirements to equip a staff just to build the crit

which seems like too much

he wouldn't care about actually giant's blooding the staff

[proper pagoda]

its like mantra of destruction -> somehow stun mob without using the attack -> warcry -> still have to get jagged ground somehow -> hammer of gods...

[eternal pilot]

Yeah since its all weapons

[proper pagoda]

this makes me lean towards infernalist or sometihng more. i really wanna see the other nodes. not having to do the stun setup would be nice

imagine if i can get shocks + freeze for frostfire + mantra

[drifting cedar]

now use this

20% less of a guaranteed crit is still guaranteed

[eternal pilot]

But why do people keep saying that you need like 800 str for giants blood?

[proper pagoda]

yeah, prob is a good play

[proper pagoda]

we dont know str requirements on top end maces. probably will be up there though

[drifting cedar]

the nice thing about this setup is you can completely ignore all crit scaling for the rest of your build

it just makes your big hit bigger

doesn't NECESSARILY make the rest of the build weaker

I think you run the risk of getting into the territory where you can only kill things once every 28 seconds or w/e

[eternal pilot]

So we know that stat req on weapons generally are like twice of poe 1s?

[proper pagoda]

i think people are overestimating this. there is CDR on tree and i really dont think u will have problems clearing anything thats not a rare mob. if u can get hammer cd to like 16-17 cd, are you really killing rares more often than that?

[drifting cedar]

potentially no, and you do still have other skills you can use

[proper pagoda]

i mean for sure this will not be the best mapping build 1000% but i think it will be a very very good bosser with okay clear

yes im not gonna use hammer for clear. ill use EQ or stampede or something else

[maiden karma]

Staff has a bunch of big freeze/shock skills

[proper pagoda]

probably EQ

[proper pagoda]

yeah, the problem is i feel like it might be hard to scale the damage enough to pop them much. i have no idea. it could be good though. i havent thought about it all before now. didnt know this OP skill exists

cause u probably dont want to path to the monk tree unless maybe ur infernalist/sorc then it could be viable? i have no clue

[maiden karma]

It popped up on DB like last morning

[proper pagoda]

but this skill definitely makes me lean a bit more towards different ascends. just wish we could see them all

[drifting cedar]

I think you're giving up too much if you do this, just stay in the bottom left

[eternal pilot]

I feel like the stat requirement of poe 1 and poe 2 items are basically the same. and the max requirement in poe 1 is like 220 strength? So I think like around 500 will be enough for giants blood

[maiden karma]

Hmm

[drifting cedar]

i mean MAYBE if you go gemling legionnaire and you can just make a whole +20 point staff tree

but you'd need for quality to be a big multi on this build

[proper pagoda]

well im 99% sure u will go to the sorc tree as an ignite build even if ur a warrior. there are fat igntie clusters up there AND double curse. i feel like u just have to go up there

[maiden karma]

Would be funny to do the same with an ignite concoction

[drifting cedar]

those are sceptres though?

[eternal pilot]

Take whatever other weapon, its like one of the only high level item they have shown

[maiden karma]

Sceptres are one handed caster tools

[drifting cedar]

oh mb I see what you're saying

yeah, 500 is probably good assuming that trend keeps

travel nodes also give half as much as before so ymmv

[proper pagoda]

anyone got that level 52 mace screenshot handy?

ill try to find it

yeah i mean thats 119 str at lvl 52

[maiden karma]

Can't wait for them to reveal a unique mace that needs 1k str to use normally

[drifting cedar]

actually much lower than poe 1 2h maces

although

[eternal pilot]

yeah

50% lower

kek

[drifting cedar]

thats the req level, not the base level

[proper pagoda]

yeah the base might be lower idk

but the damage seems pretty high to be a low level base

i think its prob an actual 50ish base

[maiden karma]

Travel nodes also only give 5 instead of 10 stats

[drifting cedar]

well lets see

[eternal pilot]

I think its probably a item level 44+ atleast which poe 1 has 143 strength

So it seems alot more lenient actually

[proper pagoda]

i think theres still like +50 attribute suffixes though? not totally sure but i thought i saw that in some vids

and the nice thing if ur titan u prob take the 20% more life ascend so ur strength is more valuable anyway

[short timber]

Keep in mind viper has said they have nerfed bleed and ignite multiple timed

Times

[drifting cedar]

this is a totemic maul with those mods

in poe1

[short timber]

And I suspect it's because of hammer of the gods

[drifting cedar]

which is a close str req maul

[proper pagoda]

yeah maybe. im still sending it though. if its nerfed its nerfed. we dont have enough info to know anything

[short timber]

So don't be surprised if shit is nerfed on launch

I have like no doubts

[eternal pilot]

weird req level

[short timber]

Hammer ignite will be at least cery very strong

[proper pagoda]

yeah exactly

[short timber]

But idk about 1 shot boss levels strong

[proper pagoda]

id be surprsied if its not at a minimum a strong build

yeah. im not saying its the best build or anything. nobody has ernough info to know. i just think its gonna be a reliably good and fun league starter

maybe something else is way more op, but this should be at least solid imo

[drifting cedar]

well we just don't know what mod breakpoints for levels are. its kind of irresponsible to try to guess

heres the same maul with barely more damage that now requires +12 levels to equip

[eternal pilot]

Yeah they could have just amped up the req level for alot of stat modifiers aswell, but imagine getting a drop at around 36 and you cant use it untill 52

[drifting cedar]

if its like it is now, its more like you find a lvl 36 base item while lvl 52 that has an ilvl of 52 and rolls lvl 52 mods

not that you find an ilvl 52 base at 36 which rolls mods you can't use

[eternal pilot]

Yeah no its obviously not possible getting mods that you cant use for that long. that was just a joke

[drifting cedar]

oh mb

honestly greatmace looks almost identical to totemic maul with just some base values increased. I would not at all be surprised if its a lvl ~35 weapon

[eternal pilot]

could be

[proper pagoda]

are there any easy ways to shock/freeze with quarterstaff?

or maybe even with a spell idk

like guaranteed cause i dont wanna scale lightning/cold damage

[drifting cedar]

there's that one glacial staff attack

[proper pagoda]

glacial cascade?

[drifting cedar]

yeah

or ice strike

which is the only skill that I can see that works with combo extender

how much more powerful? who knows!

oh nvm, looks like you'll need to get acrobatic. though I actually don't understand this..

Hits are freezing. so is freeze buildup not just based on cold damage?

you need freeze chance also?

[proper pagoda]

no i dont think you need chance

but i think it might be hard to freeze with these skills if you arent specced for it. im not sure. thats why i was wondering if theres any "guaranteed" shock/freezes

cause if im trying to spec for ignite/mace, it might be hard to hit hard enough with these skills. especially on bosses

i dont really know what hits are freezing means. maybe that means any damage with that skill counts as if it were cold and thus counts towards freeze threshold?

[pastel forge]

@proper pagoda btw how are you getting 350% increased dmg for the build btw

since converted dmg is no longer buffed by pre-conversion passive

[proper pagoda]

its just an estimate for now but i think its super conservative. theres easily 200% increased damage within like 20 passives of warrior start

[maiden karma]

Basically imagine enemies having separate hp bars for ailments. A hit needs to do enough damage proportional to the size of the bar to have a chance of applying "damage" to the ailment bar

[proper pagoda]

the conversion stuff doesn't really matter. theres actually not much phys increased at all on the tree or at warrior start

its basically all "melee" "exerted attacks" etc

[pastel forge]

hmm

[proper pagoda]

like

[pastel forge]

is the dmg bonus from str still physical then?

[proper pagoda]

theres 100% increased damage against armour broken targets

from 3 passive pts...

thats already 100% lol

no theres no damage bonus from str now

[pastel forge]

its just hp?

[maiden karma]

And skills that say they are freezing/shocking/whatever do this ailment damage always

[proper pagoda]

correct

[proper pagoda]

are u sure thats how it works? sounds right

and if thats true it could be pretty good with my build, especially with avatar of fire

[maiden karma]

That's how I interpret everything I've heard

[proper pagoda]

yeah, it sounds right

[drifting cedar]

then why does wave of frost specify "hits are freezing"? is that line required to build up freeze on cold skills?

it doesn't make sense that the skill also has "freeze as if doing more damage" I think

[proper pagoda]

no its not required but i think it just means ANY damage you do with that skill applies to freeze threshold

[drifting cedar]

there's no way wave of frost just stunlocks any boss

[maiden karma]

It won't stunlock

You need to build up the freeze bar to actually freeze

[proper pagoda]

do we know how long freeze lasts for?

[maiden karma]

Wave of frost always contributes to building it regardless of how much damage it does

[drifting cedar]

Ok, I guess if it just means "all damage with hits with this skill contribute to freeze" I can make sense of that, but its not a super clear way of conveying that info

[proper pagoda]

that seems right to me

am i understanding this right that its just a flat 25% chance to shock on hit, so theoretically every 4 hits should shock regardless of damage done?

i feel like that cant be right, seems a bit busted

[drifting cedar]

that is how I read that

[maiden karma]

It's not all damage freezes

[drifting cedar]

well then what is it

[proper pagoda]

is shock still flat 30% or how does it work

i forget

cause i know damage matters somehow but idk. maybe 30% is the floor?

[drifting cedar]

think I saw it got nerfed to 20%

base

[proper pagoda]

ah k, still good

if i can just drop a lightning storm and get 20% more damage...

seems too good to be true?

[maiden karma]

Your chance to apply ailment buildup is based on how much damage the hit does

That skill basically just has 100% chance always

[drifting cedar]

I see. regardless of the actual damage of the skill

[maiden karma]

Yes

[drifting cedar]

but is the amount of buildup still dependant on damage?

[maiden karma]

Think so

[proper pagoda]

but like with any "hits are freezing" skill i can be avatar of fire and my fire damage will still freeze as far as i understand it

which would be nice

[maiden karma]

Man why did they have to change the system so much

[maiden karma]

No it won't

[drifting cedar]

they really want elemental ailments to be supplementary to hits for some reason

[proper pagoda]

why?

[maiden karma]

Look at infernalist

[proper pagoda]

isnt that what hits are freezing means?

what u mean

[maiden karma]

No it's just 100% freeze chance guaranteed

[proper pagoda]

https://media1.tenor.com/m/SyJNiTVc-ogAAAAd/confused-no.gif

[drifting cedar]

that's what we were just discussing

[proper pagoda]

ok scorlling up scrolling up

[drifting cedar]

when you do cold damage with a hit, based on the damage of that hit you have a chance to apply freeze buildup

this gets rid of the hit damage chance part of the equation

[maiden karma]

Infernalist's second heat node says it lets all your and minion damage contribute to ignite buildup

[proper pagoda]

oh i see what ur saying

are you sure thats true? I thought you ALWAYS apply ailment buildup with cold damage. just the amount of damage scales how much buildup you do

[proper pagoda]

nonono

i dont think thats how it works. let me reread it

[drifting cedar]

im not sure anything is true

[maiden karma]

It's both chance and how much

[mental robin]

annoint aof is broken....

[maiden karma]

What

[native widget]

I wonder how unleash support would work with echo? Would the echo spell also trigger unleash?

[alpine vigil]

it's a keystone

[drifting cedar]

I don't know how ignite buildup is even supposed to work if you have multiple skills applying ignites

[proper pagoda]

u mean this node?

[maiden karma]

Yes

That node allows all damage types ignite

[proper pagoda]

i think ignite and freeze are different. i dont think freeze has a chance does it? idk i could be wrong

i need to do some vod digging

[alpine vigil]

ignite and shock are different from freeze and electrocute tho

there's no buildup on ignite/shock

[maiden karma]

[proper pagoda]

yeah ignite has no buildup right?

[drifting cedar]

that makes more sense

[maiden karma]

[proper pagoda]

time to break out the dreamcore videos

[alpine vigil]

I assume it's going to be ignite/shock = %chance, if low damage low chance
freeze/electrocute = buildup, if low damage low buildup

[drifting cedar]

we are giving blood and sunder an aneurysm with our poor understanding of poe 2 ailment buildup

[proper pagoda]

thats how i understood it also

damnit dreamcore doesnt have a video on freeze/shock

[drifting cedar]

ok so, what is magnitude. just a word that means damage, or an actual scalar like dot multi?

[alpine vigil]

I assume just damage

but not sure

[proper pagoda]

so that infernalist node basically reads "all damage can ignite"

im fairly sure

and they decided to make it confusing for some reason

[alpine vigil]

because of the magnitude part maybe?

how is it worded for stormweaver

[proper pagoda]

well all damage can igntie would mean both change and magnitude by default

[drifting cedar]

maybe in other instances they will separate that for some reason

[drifting cedar]

some ungodly "all your damage can ignite but only fire damage gives ignite chance" item

[proper pagoda]

i guess its worded different because shock functions different?

idk

i actually have no idea

[alpine vigil]

It also says contribute for stormweaver

[proper pagoda]

cause shock magnitude is also based on damage or no?

[drifting cedar]

shock has no magnitude does it

[alpine vigil]

there's no shock magnitude iirc

[drifting cedar]

just flat all the time

[alpine vigil]

30% always

[proper pagoda]

ok

well that part of it makes sense then

im pretty sure its just "all damage can X" with different wording for both nodes

ignite probably includes magnitude because your ignite damage would scale up with non-fire damage whereas with shock theres no magnitude so only chance is affected?

[alpine vigil]

oh I get it

no im not sure anymore

[proper pagoda]

i love how were all just confusing each other in here

[alpine vigil]

I was thinking it says contribute in case you do 50% fire 50% lightning, the resulting ignite would use both the tick from fire and lightning

instead of 2 individual rolls

with freeze* it doesn't matter since it's buildup assuming buildup is linear

[proper pagoda]

i think its like if you do 100 fire dam and 100 lightning dam, the ignite is just calculated off 200 damage. as if its 200 fire damage

[alpine vigil]

maybe that's it actually

[proper pagoda]

idk if shock even has buildup though

i dont think it does

based on that node

[alpine vigil]

no it doesn't i meant freeze

[proper pagoda]

ah k

btw do we know how long freeze is? by default? Im guessing its scaleable?

[alpine vigil]

no idea, should be findable in boss videos looking at the timer

[proper pagoda]

im a bit confused about this. if im avatar of fire can this still shock? it says "25 chance to shock enemies" so is the damage irrelevant?

[drifting cedar]

doubt it heavil y

[proper pagoda]

yeah the wording of this skill is confusing

[drifting cedar]

you still need to do the damage the ailment is based on in every other instance

unless you have something specifically allowing you to do otherwise

[midnight bolt]

do we know if 2 CoC gems share energy or each gem has its own energy and they are separate?

[alpine vigil]

25% flat chance chance every 0.4s?????

why wouldn't every non shock build use this

[proper pagoda]

yeah thats how i understood it too but the "25 chance to shock enemies" makes me think every hit just has 25% flat regardless of damage. but that sounds busted

[alpine vigil]

this is pretty much a curse

[proper pagoda]

idk it seems too broken to work like that lol

yeah it seems too op to be true

[drifting cedar]

i agree it is regardless of damage, but not damage type

and yes very strong

but I think avatar of fire will break it unless you have a way to make fire damage shock

its just like now if orb of storms in poe 1 had 25% chance to shock, shocks are always 20%

you'd do no shocks with avatar of fire without something else on top

[proper pagoda]

gotta be something busted i can do with this...

tbh sorc is kinda seeming like the play lol

double shock perma uptime

[pastel forge]

is electrocute just a "stun" like freeze?

[alpine vigil]

looks like it

[drifting cedar]

with infernalist can't you just ignore avatar of fire though tooty?

allowing you to..actually apply shocks, and deal 33% more damage

75>100

[proper pagoda]

yes. thats why infernalist was one im considering if the other nodes look good. but u have to keep your fire bar above 30% or whatever it is which may or may not be irritating

i have a feeling sorc will end up being the best for hammer of gods ignite. double ignite just seems stupid and theres gotta be 2 other good nodes in that ascend

err double shock i mean

like double shock with that stormfire support and overhcarge...

[drifting cedar]

your shocks will be no duration but that is solved by stormfire

[proper pagoda]

yeah

and ur ignite is gonna be like 12+ seconds i bet. plus temp chains

[stray solstice]

I am new in poe. The bloodmage skill life cost will be easily managable, or will be hard play with? If the infernalist infernal flame reaches maximum the taken max life+ energy shield fire damage will be kill the character?

[proper pagoda]

bloodmage thing will probably be annoying in campaign but guessing easy to manage end game. infernalist thing wont kill u as long as u have good fire res/mitigation

[stray solstice]

Thanks. 🙏

[drifting cedar]

why do we get 2 int starter classes and no str/int 😦

[delicate sonnet]

I did something

[maiden karma]

Right? That area has so much good shit but I'm at a loss on what to do there

ES/armor hybrid stuff everywhere

[drifting cedar]

to your "is that ignite" question - no, its a non ailment fire damage over time, aka burn

[maiden karma]

Kinda pointless for titan and doesn't really work on bloodmage

[alpine vigil]

the community passive tree is really starting to take form, sad most of the int-int/dex side is mostly empty but it's nice

everyone showed merc and warrior footage :(

[maiden karma]

Ape together strong

What if

Melee infernalist

Just having the 🌭 around on a non minion build sounds cool

[drifting cedar]

just a fortify doggy

[maiden karma]

Dogify

[drifting cedar]

run just regular melee skills but use cast on ignite > rolling magma + gmp + wildshards to spam SRS which you essence harvest for mana

[maiden karma]

I wanna see flails so bad

[drifting cedar]

same. I hope there's bleeding stuff for flails but it might just be armor breaking

[maiden karma]

https://tenor.com/view/forhonor-conqueror-rah-gif-24872924

There was an ice flail shown

OH

ELEMENTAL DAMAGE BASES

There was a straight up fire axe shown at one point

@proper pagoda there may be a chance that raw fire maces exist, removing the need for AoF

[drifting cedar]

I thought they said no life on tree

what is this

[maiden karma]

There are like 3 life notables

And one that has 10% reduced life

[proper pagoda]

yeah if thats true it would be big

[sterile sparrow]

since ignite is based on premitigation dmg, is it fair to assume penetration wont do anything for you there?

[median gulch]

Lets say im playing stormweaver, will there be complete lightning immune enemies anywhere?

[drifting cedar]

if its like poe1, the only fully immune mobs are in expedition and require you to choose to activate them

[thin basin]

do we know when minion dies do they make corpses?

theres those gems that make it so when they die they can drop those es and mana orb?

[alpine vigil]

there is one that was revealed but low level

more than one actually

[maiden karma]

A hybrid and an axe

So there's hope for a proper full fire mace

[alpine vigil]

oh the latter is an axe

why is a "maul" an axe

[drifting cedar]

have you seen a real life maul

they are just fat axes with a ton of extra weight

[alpine vigil]

I just learned about the term splitting mauls (not english native) but most of the others are hammers

GGG clearly did this to confuse me personally

[drifting cedar]

to be fair in most games mauls are just big hammers

I don't know why that is the case

[alpine vigil]

wikipedia agrees with games

3/4 agrees

[maiden karma]

@proper pagodahttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zNbbD33x4eY&ab_channel=ConnerConverse

If Conner is in on it then it's definitely gonna get nerfed

[thick pecan]

Maybe I can go witchhunter but with bows instead of crossbow.

But deadeye looks good too

[proper pagoda]

xDD

[ancient geyser]

there is no way they won't include ailment dmg reduction to hammer of the gods

[proper pagoda]

me when i login and check hammer of gods and see "50% less damage with ailments"

[maiden karma]

OH

Warbringer's jade is perfect for dual wield builds

[molten shale]

there are so many things I want to try but now I'm stuck

[proper pagoda]

why?

[eternal pilot]

The fact that we dont even know how old the build they were playing on the play test. Probably makes alot of builds super speculative. I wouldnt be surprised if alot of things are different on the 6th vs the footage from like havoc

[maiden karma]

It's basically a block without needing a shield

[proper pagoda]

i think the ppl who played at the latest LA event basically played EA but there will probably be a few balancing adjustments on top of that. im guessing that was like 90% of the way there

but yeah hammer of gods could be nerfed, idk

[maiden karma]

Fextralife played the actual EA version

And leaked a bunch of stuff they weren't supposed to

[eternal pilot]

Yeah and his video got taken down. Did he even show all skills etc?

[drifting cedar]

since then he's put up a complete walkthrough of act 1, including boss strategies

[proper pagoda]

he didnt show any skills afaik

[drifting cedar]

wouldn't be surprised to see GGG come after him

[proper pagoda]

has he really?

bro thats so fucked

[drifting cedar]

yes

[proper pagoda]

dude this guy is unironically scum of the earth

ggg should straight up ban him

make an example out of him

[eternal pilot]

He probably aint breaking any embargo with act 1

[pearl sluice]

best advice:
Forget Fextralife exists

[eternal pilot]

but yeah, Fextralife is pretty bad all around

their site is fucking dogshit

[midnight bolt]

dont forget that he DELETED it after GGG confirmed its AGAINST TOS and then reuploaded it next day 🤡

[molten shale]

[pearl sluice]

has anyone managed to cook up something cool for blood witch yet?

[glass anchor]

the initial review video did not really feel like that big of a deal tbh, idk about the other stuff

[midnight bolt]

the video was never an issue im not sure why they even deleted it, the wiki page was the issue

it had all bosses and all quests

or all bosses that he found, there are probably more

[glass anchor]

but still couldn't leak the monk ascendacy nodes...

[distant dome]

I got you fam:

[proper pagoda]

hmmmmmm. how di make staff/hammer hammer of gods work

[pearl sluice]

what class?

[thick pecan]

There’s lots of act 1 videos showing the whole boss fight, he’s not breaking any anything.

[proper pagoda]

idk what ascend yet. maybe stormweaver. trying to scale hammer of gods ignite but want to have a quarterstaff weapon swap to use that guaranteed crit ability

[mental robin]

check out my build guide. ive thought about ti deeply. i think i have the version that is coolest, tankiest, and update proof*
its on poe3-build=help

[proper pagoda]

i did see it its interesting but aint no way im opening my passive tree or swapping annoints every time i hammer lol

[mental robin]

you can just go aof lol. not a provlem. not as "optimal" but still fun!

[ancient geyser]

@mental robin you can only unspec at cities btw

you need a specific npc

you can't unspec in the middle of a boss

[mental robin]

we are not unspeccing

[ancient geyser]

ah nvm

ure putting a point in

and then changing it out

okok

might as well keep the point in though

[drifting cedar]

https://tenor.com/view/parappa-the-rapper1-parappa-chop-chop-master-onion-gif-21371032

[mental robin]

the reason is because we get to x2 dmge with frostfire in addition to having the abiltiy to shock with titan tankiness. THats huge being ablge to shock theignite.

the annoint version is the best but its really expensive. i think annion AoFs will be super expensive so keep an ey onem

the erason why it will be the best is because bosses cna be cheesed this way through phases.

[proper pagoda]

does armour breaker build combo points? i think it should right? its any strike?

[mental robin]

any strike yea.
I think also melee? even if it doesn't say striek? But idk

I also wonder how it will interact with flicker strike

[drifting cedar]

yeah I think its any non-combo spender

[proper pagoda]

hmm yeah flicker probably causes many combo pts

[mental robin]

flicker will prob be nerfed (just like the falling thunder fiasco) that's why i am not going flicker because I see how busted it is.
(It's so much raw damage too)

[ancient geyser]

what's AoF btw?

[proper pagoda]

i dont care about the amage im just building combo with it so if they nerf the multi its fine for me

[drifting cedar]

avatar of fire

[ancient geyser]

o

[mental robin]

avatar of fire. I susepct they will nerf it front up so people cannot ANNOINT cheese with it.
They will make it convert 25% and have the rest of the conersions in the part behind it

[proper pagoda]

can u annoint a keystone in poe 2?

[mental robin]

that's the mixers/tears from delrium contentn right? the abiltiy to annoint amulets wiht a notable from the tree?

[proper pagoda]

yeah but in poe 1 u cant annoint ekystones

just notables

[mental robin]

oh fuck

thank you there goes that whole section....

[proper pagoda]

hahaha

back to the lab

[mental robin]

its okay i planned on ssf anyway so i was going to do the spec into it during fight route.

It's just completely broken: get the benfit of freezing boss, shocking boss, so can get huge mujltuplier on the ignite.
We don't even NEED to do the skill point cheese.
Because if the frozen locus + herald of fire interaction works, we can basically socket more duration on HoF to get a huge dot from hammer.
They will ahve to patch that if its not working.

I wanted to share with them the primary way ppl will abuse hammer and frozen locus so they can just make the changes...that way no one discovers the exploit after EA and no one feels bad for having their idea taken away from them. I dont want the game to be negative dive bombed...

[maiden karma]

HoF only burns on enemy kill

[mental robin]

yes. the question is is frozen locus considered an enemy? It might be

it might not, we'll have to see.

[maiden karma]

Locus is a friendly entity that you can damage yourself

Why would a thing you create be considered an enemy

Even if it is, I'm sure it won't trigger such effects like worm flask in 1 doesn't

[mental robin]

Heres why I think that: Because of how the skills reads that interact with it.
When Johnation used glacial casade into frozen locus it errupted but I think cascade reads on "shattering an eneemy"
Yea I thin you are right.
however i think we can still do somethings with it like cull it for charges or w/e.
So we will have to see fi they considered that.
I mean if not, it's all good I want them to get rid of such cheese

[proper pagoda]

isnt the herald of ash burn also an ignite anyway? it wouldnt stack with ur hammer ignite

[mental robin]

i check oin poe1 wiki. Don't worry i didn't make this suggestion of a whim. I put thought into it.
Burn is separate

if it were the same keyword they would have been sure to say ignite.

[proper pagoda]

yeah but it has this wording in the skill "While active, enemies you sufficiently overkill with attacks will cause an explosion that Ignites nearby enemies based on the overkill damage dealt."

so im unsure

i could see it working either way

[maiden karma]

This is weird

Not sure why it says ignite, since in 1 it's just a burn

[proper pagoda]

i wonder if u can just spam armour breaker for combo points. not sure itw ould be better than using quarterstaff tho

[thin basin]

dd viable? 😔

[atomic halo]

no (idk)

[maiden karma]

We haven't seen desecrate or anything similar yet

[thin basin]

ive heard there was an aura that create corpses(?)

overtime?

if not dd just for mobbing which is still rly good

with the gem that 50% not consume corpse

🙏

[maiden karma]

Never heard of that

[thin basin]

and unleash hopefully

[proper pagoda]

what are the meta ways to generate power charges?

[maiden karma]

Could this be elemental damage per charge?

[proper pagoda]

i guuess siphoning strike if u can apply shock easily

[atomic halo]

i dont remember seeing any reliable corpse generation

[drifting cedar]

can I bring in 5 party members and have them die and explode their corpses?

5 titans + 1 infernalist party comp?

[thin basin]

i plan on doing half spell caster half minion

would be great if theres synnergy!

(that one gem that remove minion hp for 40%)

[maiden karma]

That one is interesting

[thin basin]

its just idk how much life we can get and how much minion hp we can scale

[maiden karma]

You only need CI to get the full effect anyway

[distant dome]

I’m looking to add power offering to a cast on ignite or channeling. Since the offering pillar may count as a minion, they likely won’t work with “cast on minion death.”

[thin basin]

but i dont wanna ci :(

[pseudo kayak]

Are there any semi useful tools up for doing build planning? Even just a list of confirmed skills and keystones would be handy

[thin basin]

atleast not on first char 💀

[proper pagoda]

yeah power offering seems interesting but it sounds like the offering thing has to stay alive for however long in order for u to actually get a charge?

[distant dome]

So about that. If the offering has HP and takes damage -instead- of the minion, this meat wall is a plus for me. If it dying counts towards “minion death” trigger and possibly the mana back recovery…

But yeah, it might just die.

The real question is, does reduced duration from support gems make it go quicker

Cuz I could run +1 limit and all 3 offerings on “cast while channeling” in order to get 2 pain offerings, tons of power offerings, etc.

And +1 limit is -50% duration

My worry is it impailing my clerics and not my other skeleton fodder.

Maybe I’ll just have to run like 10 clerics

Maybe swap essence harvest for Spell echo if it works

Bonestorm and Raise shield = Channeled abilites

[maiden karma]

Non minion infernalist could potentially pact off her dog for a big damage support

[proven quest]

I’ve seen people using https://poe2skills.com/

[daring jay]

dude i swear whoever has updated the skill tree is a saint

[thin basin]

wasnt this 100% for 40%

[atomic halo]

numbers change

[long trail]

Reading Viperesque's responses about crit and ailments and Im a bit confused, if you crit with a fire spell will it cause the ignite damage to be higher or no? It obviously raises the chance to ignite since the hit damage is higher

[thin basin]

its poe2 but its still ignite dd time

[daring jay]

i understood it like critting only increased the chance because the hit is harder. If you crit with 0% multi the chance you ignited wouldnt increase

[daring jay]

ill bet my left nut that blasphemy get nerfed and now require 100 spirit on EA launch

its sooo good

[safe karma]

I see how we have some element reactions
fire wall + lightning = new projectile
poison + fire = explosion
frost + fire = melt with extra dmg

Everything seems to react with fire. Is there any kind of reaction with ice+lightning?

[midnight bolt]

i need to see combos with chaos damage

i hope they wont make it into something that is only viable as secondary source of dmg to your minions

😪

[shut leaf]

could be, and that's sad

[midnight bolt]

😦

ya i see so many combos that other classes have

even minions have combos with bone spells

and chaos spells are like????

the only thing i found so far is explodign a corpse for chaos dot but thats not even a combo or anything

[shut leaf]

there is so much unknowns so its hard to tell if there any chaos spell combos or not

[maiden karma]

Well you see

You can apply 1 skill

And then apply another

[midnight bolt]

😱

and nother

and another

[maiden karma]

Fire everything

And then realize you ran out of usable supports after the first skill

[midnight bolt]

😭

[maiden karma]

They really didn't think this one through

[midnight bolt]

ya like my only hope that either we get some new cool chaos spells or that ed/contagion/heblast+chaos totems will do somewhat good damage combined after pressing 68 buttons

[maiden karma]

All these elemental combos with their own unique supports

Meanwhile every chaos over time skill needs the same things

[midnight bolt]

the thing with sorc they didnt even try, they were like let them have 5 cast on X setups and let them spam fireball

like okkk

its simple and it works and strong

so we will see whats with occult spells

[maiden karma]

Actually I just checked

I only saw 3 supports that can increase damage of chaos over time

[midnight bolt]

yepp we have more dot spells than supports

[maiden karma]

Put ED contagion with all 3 supports in a cast on whatever setup

[proper pagoda]

Do we know how these interact? I assume you get the 60% increased damage still and the reduced armour on the hit, THEN the armour is removed post calculation?

[olive tide]

isnt it just as strong to increase the initial hit for poisons now for more damaging poison

[maiden karma]

Poison yes

Skills that do innate chaos damage over time no

[olive tide]

mmm i see

[daring jay]

how do i figure out what damage type this is? I would imagine physical, but there is no tag about it

[maiden karma]

Depends on the weapon

[olive tide]

just whatever damage is on ur weapon

[daring jay]

ohhh

[maiden karma]

Actually putting them in cast while channeling and clanging resonating shield sounds funny

[proper pagoda]

@maiden karma u know the answer to this my sunder friend?

[daring jay]

if i use a quarterstaff with physical dmg on and i get adds x to cold dmg would that cold dmg apply? with flicker strike in mind

[proper pagoda]

yes

[daring jay]

even though flicker strike doesnt do cold dmg?

[proper pagoda]

yeah flicker strike just does 177% of whatever your damage is

[olive tide]

tooty i believe that initial hit will remove armor.. it wont remove the armor and apply it to that hit at the same time.. could be wrong tho idk

[proper pagoda]

so ur staff + any added to the staff

[proper pagoda]

so u think the 60% increased wouldn't apply to the hit?

[upper cargo]

Can you use the same support gem on multiple skills? I honestly forgot been a decade since I played and am trying to cobble a build together

[olive tide]

the next one yes, but i think it will break armor after the damage the first time u use the attack

[proper pagoda]

not in poe 2

[daring jay]

Nice! thanks :D

[proper pagoda]

well i know it removes the armour, but im not sure if the increased damage from pile on applies to the hit of sunder itself

i assume it does but not 100% sure

[upper cargo]

Got it, then I know mana is the sorc resource but do they have access to spirit or is that class locked

[olive tide]

so you use the skill right.. it hits and does damage, then applies armor break. so casting it one time wont give you the 60%.. i wouldnt imaginel, not sure if there is a priority stack or not tho for armor break

[proper pagoda]

every class gets spirit. you get it by doing certain side quests during the campaign. every class also uses mana although there are some ways to change your resource

[proper pagoda]

no sunder doesnt apply armour break it removes it

[olive tide]

oh well if the armor is already broken then it would give you the 60%

[upper cargo]

Rough guess on how much spirit a class will have? Most of the persistent stuff takes 60-100. Curious if I can fit multiple

[proper pagoda]

yeah thats what im thinking but theoretically it could somehow remove the armour before the hit is calculated? idk

[proper pagoda]

i think people were saying u get 180 from campaign alone. unsure if thats true or not. seems reasonable

and then u can get additional spirit from gear. maybe also on tree

[olive tide]

i wouldnt imagine they build it like that.. i think the incentive is to build armor break and eat it with increased/more effect on those nodes

[proper pagoda]

yeah, it wouldn't make much sense. hope were right

[upper cargo]

Got it so resources are mana/spirit/and energy?

Energy is rolling?

[olive tide]

life too.. if ur a masochist

oh and charges

[proper pagoda]

umm not really.

mana = used to cast skills - skills have mana cost by default. there are ways to change this like theres a keystone that makes skills cost life instead of mana, etc.

spirit = a resource for reservation or "buff" skills and some other utility skills as well as minions. U dont use this to cast abilities. its generally used to limit how many kind of "passive" abilities you have.

energy shield = this is a defensive stat. its basically like a second life pool, but it has some different characteristics, like it will recharge after not taking damage for several seconds.

roll has no mana cost or cd. you can just spam it if u wanted to

[upper cargo]

Ah so this is a shield then

[maiden karma]

No

[proper pagoda]

ohhhh sorry, didnt realize u were talking about that. no thats a separate mechanic. so energy in that context basically determines how fast you can "trigger" a skill

[olive tide]

energy is generated for the meta gems to trigger their spells

[upper cargo]

Oh so the spell I slot in is that got it, so can I slot my main damage dealer into that with all its links or does it have to be a seperate spell unaugmented

[olive tide]

i mean u could slot ur main damage dealer in there.. then build up the energy by consuming ailments for it to cast

[upper cargo]

Does it remove the main damage dealer from being able to spam or do I have to pick manual cast or slotting it there

[olive tide]

have to eat 4 ailements tho, seems sort of taxing for ur main damage

you should be able to spam it.. granted u can meet the threshold for the 500 energy repeatedly

[upper cargo]

Am I misunderstanding how it works? I just figured with ball lightining being my main damage I would be surrounded by shocked targets

Considering it has a 750% shock chance without even slotting extra shock into it

So it would just shit out more balls

[olive tide]

well idk how often it shocks.. but lets say ur on a boss

itll feel worse then when ur running through mobs

on top of that.. if u socket ball lightning into it.. u need to be casting something else to proc the shocks

[upper cargo]

Well yeah figured id pair it with either orb of storms or ball lightning. Was curious if having orb of storms slotted into elemental invocation would break the 1 orb limit

[olive tide]

or freeze/ignite

[upper cargo]

Okay so I cant manually cast whatever I slot into it? Its slaved to having elemental invoc proc?

[olive tide]

yes

[upper cargo]

Got it so no ball lightning

[olive tide]

unless u can have 2 ball lightning skills on ur bars.. idk about that

whatever skill is in invocation only casts when u get the energy from shocking/freezing/igniting dudes

[upper cargo]

I wonder if you could slot sigil of power into it

To push yourself to max stage super fast

Multiple sigils spawn

[olive tide]

i think sigil should be down already to gain power as u cast spells that trigger invocation

otherwise when invocation procs to use sigil it jsut comes down at stage 1

[upper cargo]

Yeah so maybe orb of storms in it or I need to find another spell

[olive tide]

personally, id like to put something bigger into invocation.. that way i can use my main skill to shock dudes and proc it.. like arc? havent thoguht about it really

[upper cargo]

Do I pick a spell for elemental invocation and then what is linked to ei is what modifies the spell slotted there or do I build a spell + links and then that links to ei?

Im using ball lightning as my main spam

[olive tide]

u can put more than 1 spell into it, but it takes more energy to cast based on cast time

[proven spindle]

Have any decent theory crafters looked at tempest bell mixed with crossbow?

[olive tide]

the supports in ei will modify the spell being triggered

[upper cargo]

got it, so its not based on the original spells links

[olive tide]

bell + limit support + cluster grenade

lmao idk just spitballing

[upper cargo]

Man not being able to have dupe support gems makes this hard

[olive tide]

yeah but also more impactful choices

otherwise everyone would have added X and multiple proj on everything

[maiden karma]

Bell only lasts for 12 hits so it's either overkill or not enough

[proven spindle]

Idk i think if you get attack speed on a strike skill you can get the bell down fast enough again to start blasting more while you reload

[maiden karma]

You can however have 2 bells out at once and could hit them both with an aoe skill

[proven spindle]

I did not know that

[olive tide]

thats what i said, limit support to increase and cluster grenades to rock them XD

[proven spindle]

Fair fair

[maiden karma]

Also you want to apply elemental ailments to the bells for extra damage

[olive tide]

might want aoe effect too.. not sure how much aoe they have to big impactful baseline

or conc effect on bosses

[maiden karma]

See the problem is that if you add increased limit then the bells would only last 3 seconds

[hoary plover]

is poe2skills or poe2db more up to date? poe2skills doesnt have some skills that are on db

[olive tide]

throw grenades and drop bells on them

[maiden karma]

Pretty sure DB is more up to date cause skills straight up takes the info from there

[olive tide]

or tornado shot, grenades then drop bells

poe2 skills is behind

doesnt have spiral arrow yet for my deadeye memes

[maiden karma]

Actually wait I don't think having 2 bells out is realistic

[olive tide]

do u need 8 combos for 2?

[maiden karma]

You'd need 4 combo, place and then another 4 combo I think

[olive tide]

i was thinking bell + limit + more duration

[maiden karma]

Unless it allows you to stockpile extra combo

[olive tide]

but yeah if u need to do it that way it sucks

[maiden karma]

More duration is a damage support you miss out on

[olive tide]

what other supports would you want on it tho, ailment stuff?

[maiden karma]

Damage

[olive tide]

depends on what skill ur using, for grenades you wont have much time for anything else.. i think 3 sec would be fine

[maiden karma]

Also it looks like combo is build up with strikes specifically, which crossbow can't do

[olive tide]

i get damage but i dont even know how many supports there are for it

for sure ud have to generate the combos from something else

oh shit it has a melee tag

[maiden karma]

It's basically an attack that you need to trigger with other attacks

[olive tide]

if u can put fist of war on bell that would be sick with 2

[daring jay]

Am i reading this right that ALL of your attacks gain 20% extra cold dmg?

[olive tide]

ye

[daring jay]

thats insane :o

[upper cargo]

Does the sigil of power stages only last as long as the sigil is up?

[olive tide]

ye

[upper cargo]

So duration kinda a must for it yea?

[olive tide]

meaning like does it carry over?

[upper cargo]

As in if I get to stage 4 of sigil and then the sigil disappears

[olive tide]

yes those stages are gone

[upper cargo]

Do I lose all my stages or does the buff last longer than the sigil

Okay

So duration

[olive tide]

but 12 seconds is a long time.. even in a 2 minute boss fight

ull be moving around alot

[maiden karma]

Bell isn't a slam

[olive tide]

why u gotta ruin everything cool

[maiden karma]

[olive tide]

its actually badass if u can put a limit support and get 2 bells for 4 combos

but lining it up to be effective is another situation, not my cup of tea for mapping

rage support on bells too would be nice

[hoary plover]

there's no way, right?

[olive tide]

i doubt ull get 2 explosions

[hoary plover]

im definitely gonna try it

but there's no way

[maiden karma]

HoA doesn't hit so no

[upper cargo]

How much is base crit damage in poe? 1.5x?

[hoary plover]

do we know this for sure? the wording is much different than the poe1 HoA

[olive tide]

base crit? isnt that just your flat crit chance

we will know when u get the gems and make it happen, but from how it reads it doesnt seem like it workds

[maiden karma]

The wording is pretty much exactly the same minus spell damage

[upper cargo]

Nah not crit chance, I mean if I crit a 100 dmg spell does it do 150 dmg without any bonus crit damage? whats base

[olive tide]

oh its 200% from waht i understand

so 100 damage thatr crits does 200 damage

[upper cargo]

Got it

[olive tide]

pulverize with bell is kinda nasty too

[upper cargo]

Does Elemental Invocation count as an empowering skill to work with the gem

[olive tide]

dont think the less attack speed matters since bell is triggering when u hit it

[maiden karma]

You will place the bell down slower but otherwise yeah

[maiden karma]

EI is a trigger

[upper cargo]

So that gem doesnt help it?

[maiden karma]

Empower is stuff like warcries

[olive tide]

your empowering from warcries wont touch something from a triggered spell, i dont think

[maiden karma]

Oh wow, mantra is an empower

[olive tide]

well warcried only empower attacks from what i see anyway

i had an idea to mantra up a big snipe for a juicy bleed, but who wants to be in melee range for combo stuff

[maiden karma]

Doesn't look like you can normally empower channels

[olive tide]

hmmm, well either way i dont want to be hitting stuff with a stick

[maiden karma]

Channeled mace skills specify that warcries can empower them as if they weren't channeled

[olive tide]

interesting

curious to see how far forward this spiral volley attack throws you.. might replace rain of arrows with it for clearing. but not if it tosses me into the meat grinder

cause spiral volley and momentum sounds so good

[maiden karma]

When the fuck was that added

[daring jay]

never made a build before but is this busted or not?
My flicker strike has 75% more dmg from supports
Infernal cry gives flicker 45% more dmg
Wave of frost gives flicker 20% more dmg^

i should almost have perma uptime on the more dmg from infernal cry and wave of frost
just from this setup i got 140% more dmg on flicker
what would be normal amount of x more dmg just by supports/ other skill buffing it

[olive tide]

had to be sometime from when i went to sleep last night to when i got on earlier

[maiden karma]

It's not on the change log

And neither is cast while channeling

[olive tide]

idk its on poe2db

[median mist]

any one know if minion damage passives would apply to somthing like this
i guess an addon to that would be, would it be buffed by my damage passives

[olive tide]

cast while channeling for what?

[maiden karma]

Spirit reserve

[olive tide]

ohh

[maiden karma]

Channeling anything will trigger linked spells

[olive tide]

yea another ranger attack too was added to poe2db

[daring jay]

Whats the difference?
Gain x% of damage as cold dmg
Gain x% of damage as extra cold dmg

[olive tide]

uhh idk.. i think the first one converts some phys damage to cold

[atomic halo]

there should be no difference

[upper cargo]

Is the build planner share link going to shrink if I link my current build im working on or is it ganna make a wall link lmao

[atomic halo]

probably the latter

[daring jay]

the thing is i would assume "added cold dmg" actually adds dmg and not converts it

[atomic halo]

if it doesnt say convert it doesnt convert

[daring jay]

oh

maybe just bad wording that might get fixed?

[olive tide]

yeah that just gives 25% old

cold

[upper cargo]

Well if anyone has sorc inklings and wants to help me or tell me if this build is dead on arrival take a peek

https://poe2skills.com/share?data=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

Slotting lightning storm into ei

[olive tide]

just dont want a staff that has any flat lightning/fire

[alpine vigil]

maybe post/pre conversion stuff?

[atomic halo]

i highly doubt they would make a distinction like that for that purpose

and would it even matter

[alpine vigil]

think so with the current lack of pre-conversion stat increase

[atomic halo]

you can shorten a link by highlighing normal text and copy-pasting the link over it like this

[alpine vigil]

but yeah it's far fetched

[olive tide]

EI needs to have the lightning storm socketed in

[upper cargo]

Oh it takes a slot in the links?

Got it

[olive tide]

yes, i think in poe2skills u need to socket the ei into the skill but either way

[upper cargo]

So I didnt think of this before now but do you have to have an ability to break armor or does any damage slowly break armor? Dunno if exploit weakness is wasted on orb

[olive tide]

not from spells, from what i know

[molten shale]

what does this do exactly?

[alpine vigil]

you need something to break armour

[olive tide]

2 charges but 50% longer recharge

[upper cargo]

got it ill take that out

[alpine vigil]

it stores uses

[atomic halo]

elemental invocation triggers socketed spells

you only have supports linked to it

[upper cargo]

Yea removed blind for now

[atomic halo]

also isnt it mid if ur only shocking

[upper cargo]

Youre saying I should have other spells to ignite or freeze?

[atomic halo]

either that, or you use cast on shock

which logically speaking should be better if ur only shocking

[olive tide]

cast on shock will be mana intensive, but if ur playing archamage it wont matter i guess

[upper cargo]

I saw that but it said only 20 energy once per skill use

So that would have to go on ball lightning as its the only spammer id use

[atomic halo]

elemental invocation has 500 max energy while cast on shock is 10 per 0.1s cast time

100 with bl, so invocation would take 5x the energy

[alpine vigil]

elemental invocation stores the uses, it's not auto triggered

it's a mix between cast on <ailment> and unleash

[upper cargo]

Ohh I thought ei triggered when it maxes energy then drains

So I manual trigger ei based on my energy stores

Do I slot cast on shock into orb of storms then?

[alpine vigil]

if you have 300 energy and your spell needs 100, you press it and it'll cast 3x

[upper cargo]

Hmm how does that interact with lightning storm which can only have 1 at a time? Wasted to slot lightning storm into it then?

[alpine vigil]

I assume wasted yes

[upper cargo]

Feck

[olive tide]

put limit support into orb if u want 2

[upper cargo]

increase limit? hmmk

curious how low that drops orbs duration

[alpine vigil]

half

[upper cargo]

well yes but half of what is the duration

5 seconds down to 2.5

or what

[alpine vigil]

10 to 5s

[upper cargo]

oh hmm

[blissful abyss]

Hi folks, whats the delay for weapon swap?

[olive tide]

i think they removed delay right?

[upper cargo]

if it only fires every 3.3 seconds then it would only fire once at 5 seconds. not worth

[alpine vigil]

you don't care about the 3.3s

[olive tide]

well 2 of them are firing right

[kind mountain]

Sorry i have a question, What counts as "inmobilize"? Which ailment counts as inmobilize? cant find info about this

[alpine vigil]

you care about the rest of the line

[olive tide]

pin?

[alpine vigil]

"and when you use a lightning skill near the orb"

[upper cargo]

oh right. the whole reason im using the skill derp

[kind mountain]

Only Pin? stun and frezze inmobilize too?

[olive tide]

tbh im not 100%.. id assume those count too

[alpine vigil]

looking at this, immobilise is the new name for impale

or maybe not but the gem name is that

[upper cargo]

Well since lightning storm is cooked for elemental invocation do I go with lightning bolt or lightning conduit. Bolt would be better single target and I have good aoe from ball lightning already?

[analog drift]

Are scepters able to be dual wielded with wands?

[olive tide]

for mapping id almost want to use arc to trigger ball lightnigns from ei.. but hard to say how often ull proc the shocks

[olive tide]

not 100% sure.. i think u can have 1 sceptre and 1 wand yea

[olive tide]

will be fun when spears are out

[upper cargo]

Is there any good gems for archmage/mana tempest to make them juicier?

[kind mountain]

Ok, it seems Impale can inmobilize..so is the only skill in game with that inmobolize tag?

[olive tide]

well they are buffs

[alpine vigil]

it's the only gem we know of so far that uses the word "immobilise" at least

[olive tide]

so you can put like clarity and vitality

[blissful abyss]

Can orb of storms be supported by More Duration?

[olive tide]

there will be more spear skills eventually when huntress comes out

[upper cargo]

No point I think, if youre spamming right it should hit its hit cap I think

[olive tide]

doesnt seem like it

[blissful abyss]

my plan is to cast it while on secondary weapon and then go in with monk lightning attacks

[upper cargo]

these modify how much spirit it takes to run it yes?

[blissful abyss]

thus the longer it lasts the less I need to recast

[olive tide]

yes, but other than +1 lightning gem idk if anything else is decent for it

im not an archmage pro tho

[blissful abyss]

I'm not going archmage probably 🤔 but yah I'll use things like shock chance and stuff on the orb

[upper cargo]

Is the +1 lightning gem worth it in my damage spell? I assumed it would be but if its better in archmage hmm

[upper cargo]

he meant archmage for my hodge podge im building

[blissful abyss]

oh kk 😄 😄 archamge does seem bonkers, I have to try it soemtime in the future 😄 😄

[hoary plover]

have we seen tooltips for the gas explosions at all?

[winter dagger]

Noob question, but just making sure I got the class system understood:

The class you pick determines your starting position on the passive tree and ascendancies.

Its possible to build a viable Bow wielding Mercenary, Warrior and Sorceress and Monk correct?

And its possible to build a viable Bow/ Xbow Weapon Swap build right?

[olive tide]

viable is a question no one can answer.. its possible to put any weapon on any class yes

[hoary plover]

yes, class is just starting position and ascendancies.
any class can get any nodes and use any weapons, but it will cost more/less points depending how far you need to travel

[near acorn]

Viable with enough currency, at least 🙂

[olive tide]

tbh i dont think we know what the +1 does.. i was only saying on archmage cause there isnt much else to put on it that doesnt increase spirit reserve from waht i know

[winter dagger]

Gotchya, but there have been builds in POE that do things like this right?

Like a Bow wielding mage for a Magic Archer style build in Poe1?

[olive tide]

for sure, my last character in poe was a withc that used a bow

[olive tide]

well it really depends on what ur trying to do.. because some skills require a certain type of weapon

[olive tide]

but you can have a staff in your off hand and bow in main hand for that type of stuff

[winter dagger]

oh cool

Like a staff instead of a quiver?

[olive tide]

no youd have a bow and quiver in mainhand, and when u use a spell itll switch to the staff automatically

atleast from what ive seen and heard

[winter dagger]

gotchya, either way sounds cool

Also, will skills for daggers be in EA?

or is that weapon type not in EA

[blissful abyss]

don't think there are daggers in EA

[winter dagger]

gotchya

[blissful abyss]

nvm according to poewiki there are

[winter dagger]

oh interesting, mayhaps its possible to build a pseduo rogue build with monk + daggers

[blissful abyss]

hmm but that section also mentions flails on the the new weapons introduced, so maybe they are listing all weapons that wil leventually be acessible

ok there doesn't seem to be daggers on EA launch #2┃early-access message

Guys, can a skill shock an already shocked enemy to proc "On Shock" effects?

(excluding the double chock ascendancy node)

[gritty ether]

Anyone know if leech only works with attacks or does it work with spells too?

[upper cargo]

Wait it just hit me, the ascendancy skill for stormweaver gives you elemental storm. Is that a gem you link things to or just a passive for all your spells

[blissful abyss]

the leech source will probably say if it is from attacks or spells

@gritty ether so far the only source of leech I can see is gems, and they both work for attacks only

[gritty ether]

I see, thanks

Was thinking of making an acolyte monk caster but that prob wouldn't work then

[blissful abyss]

it's likelly that there will be other sources like unique items but we don't know yet

[blissful abyss]

so far my main contention with aclyte is the squishyness of the fella

I'm planning a monk also but I think acolyte, although probably better for endgame, will have a tough time early/mid game

[gritty ether]

Ya seems very gear dependent

[blissful abyss]

ya, so far the monk im planning will probably use arctic armour with clarity and vitality, and lingering illusion

[proven quest]

If leech isn’t too bad then I think it’ll actually be pretty strong. High ES with evasion and mom might be pretty damn tanky

[blissful abyss]

it can be tough... as the leech is only on the physical damage dealt, and most of monk's abilities convert most of the phys into elemental dmg

but I'm sure lategame acolyte will be a beast, I was pretty excited with it early on, kinda still am

but I just don't know how tanky I'll feel when choosing the ascendancy, I'll try to run some zones without any auras, if that works, I'll go acolyte for sure

[gritty ether]

Needs at least one good elemental leech unique

[proven quest]

I’m thinking there will be other sources of leech, but maybe I’m coping lmao

[blissful abyss]

true, haven't factored that in

also we need to remember that leech will only work on a single ability

I have it on my "spam" dps skill, tempest flurry, but that skill is not going to be dealing tons of damage

and if we move the leech to the damage skill, we loose damage XD

it's a tricky ballance, but will be fun to play around these things for sure

I just hope they reconsider the idea of not allowing asc respec

specially on EA

what skills are the other monks aroudn here planning on linking Mana Leech to?

[proven quest]

That’s still assuming the leech support gem is the only way to get leech. We know the blood mage has leech, so I would think there’s either leech in the chayula tree or somewhere else

[blissful abyss]

oooofff leech in the tree/ascendancy would rly be a game changer indeed

[gritty ether]

Or you just embrace physical only. Whirling assault and flicker strike are both physical only.

Leech prob on whirling assault

[blissful abyss]

hmm interesting

66% attack damage seems quite low but yah it's goign to hit everything around us so it could work

hmmmmm I could add shock chance to whirling assault

[proven quest]

Or have a weapon swap to a 2h mace and use a big bonk skill

[blissful abyss]

and replace my tempest flurry with it

[blissful abyss]

I was thinking of swapping to sceptre+shield to cast orb of storms to shock everything in the area when I cast lightning skills inside of it

basically the rotation I'm thinking of is:
Go in with hand of chayula to curse, dodge out leaving lingering clone that will be killed for a power charge, cast frozen locus to create chilled and swp into sceptre to cast orb of storms to shock chilled enemies and get power charges

then its 1 big bonk of falling thunder and it should clear everything

🙏

xD

[upper cargo]

Anyone got the clip of how long lightning storm lasts?

[blissful abyss]

skill description says 10 seconds, but radius is very small

[upper cargo]

time to add concentrated effect

[blissful abyss]

could be good for bosses but it seems like we'll be kiting bosses quite a bit so I don't know about that

xD

[upper cargo]

lasts 10 seconds so drop it and do circles

[blissful abyss]

might work, bosses also have a huge hitbox 🤷‍♂️

lol this node for acolyte

[upper cargo]

whats the cooldown on this

[blissful abyss]

none, it seems to be ballanced around high mana cost and the fact that you can onyl have 1 active at a time

[upper cargo]

Okay so question, does elemental invocation have a cooldown on it? or can I slot hourglass onto it and it just auto casts X amount of the skills I have energy stored for it?

or if I have energy for 3 casts do I have to click it 3 times