2┃build-planning

[distant dome]

Especially if it doesn't work with minion command skills

[frail jay]

They probably don't?

[distant dome]

Command skills should just work as if you casted them yourself, for the purposes of triggers/passive skill tree. I'm not saying they do I'm just saying they should.

[frail jay]

I mean it's still not you inflicting the ailment

[distant dome]

I pressed a key on my keyboard to actively cast the spell, that should be what counts.

[olive tide]

ye it does say "Gain 100 Energy when you Freeze an Enemy with a Hit from a Skill, once per Skill use"

[frail jay]

That's not what you means in PoE as far as we know

[olive tide]

no i figured as much after reading it

buttt i would be the one making it use its skill?

[distant dome]

If it doesn't work with command skills, that's going to be advocating for the change

[frail jay]

I doubt they would change that

You get CoMD as a minion build

[olive tide]

in my experience.. any "complaint box" is right above the paper shredder

[distant dome]

kk

[livid tree]

does anyone have an idea how much spirit we will have access to without investing into it? or using a scepter

[olive tide]

180 from what i gather

30 per act, 6 acts total

but dont quote me son

[livid tree]

hmm ok, that sounds pretty decent:) we'll see I guess

[tranquil inlet]

I don't think we have any idea on total spirit. We know there will be 30 from act 1 and more later from other side bosses but we don't know how many or how much

[real hornet]

spirit seems to be 100+scepter at a minimum by the endgame. scepters can be modded

[atomic halo]

might be wrong but they seem to all be 100 spirit

[daring jay]

All plans scrapped im gonna go power charges instead of frenzy with conversion

[real hornet]

you could just watch the video to note how most minions are like 10-30 spirit

and some have a few supports

[real hornet]

and when charges don't give buffs, how are you going to feel?

[maiden karma]

Minion spirit cost goes down with gem level

[frail jay]

But how are you gaining power charges faster than frenzy...

[daring jay]

didnt really play poe 1 that much only 300 hours so dont really feel any way over it

[frail jay]

Also you take that node with frenzy conversion

That applies to frenzy converted power charge gain the same as normal power charge gain

[daring jay]

2sec

[frail jay]

???

[daring jay]

:OOOO true!

[olive tide]

siphon strike with eow to shock boom no more converting

just way clunkier and makes me want to take a shower

[frail jay]

eow sounds terrible for shock

[olive tide]

doesnt it shoot out a bunch of projectiles and make it easier to crit

[frail jay]

also with how shock works and ailment threshold it seems like siphon strike would be bad for consistent generation, not to mention how it's probably going to feel bad to use it in melee for charge gain

Shock is based on lightning damage done relative to monster HP basically

[olive tide]

no i know.. i wouldnt try to gen power charges with that lmao

when i started looking into it earlier i wasnt aware of how scarce power charges are

[real hornet]

eye of winter was op in poe1 so idk if the same happens in 2

[olive tide]

only got into the flicker strike conversation cause it was the hot topic earlier and i got curious why the decision was made to just convert all frenzy charges

[granite tulip]

Eye of Winter on Weapon Swap might boost the damage up a bit. That said, I think the idea is to throw Shock Chance and Conduction on it for a flat 40% chance to Shock? Or is that not how it works? Maybe I misunderstood.

The Critical Weakness is overall a nice addition too.

[frail jay]

that's not how it works no, you still need to deal lightning damage to shock and still have to deal a certain % of the enemy's max HP with that lightning damage

[thorny path]

Ailment chance (for the non cc ailments) relies on the damage of the hit for the chance, there’s no guaranteed flat %chance for an ailment anymore

[frail jay]

also why are you trying to shock?

[livid tree]

If you have high ES and go chaos inoculation, what else do you need to make sure you are not getting deleted?

[frail jay]

shock appears to have flat chance

I think ignite and freeze don't

[thorny path]

Is there anything that gives flat shock chance

[olive tide]

you want to shock to eat it with siphon strike for a power charge, assuming we are still talking about the power charge thing

[thorny path]

Oh I see the support

[frail jay]

there's literally a support gem with flat shock chance

like right there

[granite tulip]

I was about to get to this one. But I guess it falls flat if you can't make EoW do Lightning Damage.

[alpine vigil]

where is that from

[olive tide]

oh shit now we chilling before the shocks here we go

[daring jay]

its from the tree

[alpine vigil]

I meant who revealed it

But if it's linked and linked again maybe it was lost

I don't remember that from dreamcore's video

[modern tangle]

Again, poe2db.tw has kept the outdated information despite adding everything from havoc's video. Shock Chance support is just old.

[alpine vigil]

do you know if there's buildup for shock/ignite or if it's proc/no-proc only?

I assume the latter

[modern tangle]

I believe that quote says latter

[daring jay]

question is 20% chance to gain power charge per shock or 1 garanteed every 5 sec with freeze

probably 20% chance right?

"shock a chilled enemy" seems weird to pull of

[olive tide]

idk, so many different things have been talked about with eow since i been looking at this channel XD

[short timber]

Nit really

Chilled ground

• a setup with trigger ball lightning

Or sometjing

[olive tide]

the cold monk showcase seemed to be pretty good at freezing/chilling.. frost nexus support to put out chilled ground.... i dont know what attacks it was using. maybe cast on freeze to send out sparks with multiple proj for shocking or ball lighting ye

[distant dome]

so bonestorm is a channel right? So in theory you could activate "cast while channeling" while charging bone storm?

[alpine vigil]

yes

[granite tulip]

In the calculation of determining whether a hit stuns, would you reckon the Lightning Shockwave effect of Siphoning Strike would count as part of a single calculation, or that of two hits instead?

Trying to determine how reliable Enduring Stuns would be on it.

[long trail]

Is ghost dance or divine shield in poe2?

[modern tangle]

not that we know of

[distant dome]

So... How does supporting skills cast by meta work

like would this work? Can you support Meta gems? does Faster casting reduce the energy requirement of meta gems?

[alpine vigil]

Ghost Dance is listed on poe2db but we don't know what it does @long trail

As a spirit gem rather than keystone

[long trail]

Oh it’s a gem interesting

[alpine vigil]

Maybe it was deleted too we don't know I think someone just saw the spirit gem panel with Ghost Dance listed, could be deleted from the EA version

[midnight bolt]

4% as base mana regen thats pretty nuts, considering they showed amulet or ring with 55% inc mana regen, mom players will have a good time

[ancient geyser]

lowkey thinking that mana regen on gear will be scarce or nerfed to make up for that change

but it should still make MoM builds come online way earlier

[midnight bolt]

compared to life regen that is aroun 1%

[ancient geyser]

life is dedge

[midnight bolt]

tho i dont think life regen was ever good in poe1 too

[midnight bolt]

idk abt that i think blood witch with overleech body unique will pop off for sure

[ancient geyser]

i like that there's no more life in the tree though, makes streamlining your build way easier because you know what you need as opposed to being uncertain of how much hp armor evasion and ES you need

[ancient geyser]

well ye in some cases life stacking will still be useful like that one, but in general you won't need it

it also makes life in gear way more desireable

[modern tangle]

Ghost Dance was still there in LA event. https://youtu.be/0cJrj-qcFMI?t=1599 @long trail

[midnight bolt]

lmfao herald of ash icon is so goofy

[modern tangle]

it's a goofy skill

[alpine vigil]

same problem is still there with ES tho sadly, I get they treat it as the counterpart of armor/evasion but there's so many increased ES nodes still

[ancient geyser]

but that's good no?

if they gutted ES stacking then it'd obviously be clear you either go evasion, armor, or a mix of both

now it's more like you stack whatever defensive layer you need and you grab life in your gear wherever you need it

[midnight bolt]

we also dont know the state of armor

[alpine vigil]

yes but in terms of formula, es doesn't act on the same layer armor/evasion

[midnight bolt]

which matters a lot if es build can barely build up any armor it would be huge downside

[daring jay]

isnt this insane? I dont see a downside

[ancient geyser]

this is indeed insane

[midnight bolt]

sounds ez just use 1 utilityskill with support gem to disable crit

[ivory pawn]

lol with a cast on crit meta gem with a "can't deal critical hits" support or something, you could guarantee solid uptime

[alpine vigil]

do we know if "recently" is still 4s

[ivory pawn]

no, but its likely it, but I don't think its confirmed

[ancient geyser]

yeah but it'll be nice to scale up your EHP regardless, i quite like it

[real hornet]

recently would make sense to be 2-5 seconds in any game, but 4 is most likely since why change what works

[ancient geyser]

because the game's pacing changed ig but shouldn't be that big of a deal

[real hornet]

if it did change due to pacing slowing down, it would be 8 seconds

since that's already used in poe1 for a mid duration effect

[ancient geyser]

depends on how they wanted to shift the power as well, i don't see them increasing it that much

but being slightly higher than 4 seconds, likely, lower unlikely

[real hornet]

recently being 4 is confirmed actually, since it shows on minion respawn

[ancient geyser]

great

[real hornet]

for recently effects you want it sooner, I wish it was 2 seconds, for slower, I wish was 8 haha

[heady burrow]

do we know if gem quality is only on skill gems now?

[ancient geyser]

no data

[velvet blade]

Would this support gem enable any damage for the skill it supports to shock or only lightning damage?

[modern tangle]

Did not appear in havoc video. Consider it outdated information.

[native widget]

where is this?

[atomic pier]

Are there any good skill tree planners out yet or too early? 😄

[pearl sluice]

Too early

[modern tangle]

Here's a super duper amazing planner:

[restive harness]

https://marcoaaguiar.github.io/poe2-tree/

[atomic pier]

https://tenor.com/view/explain-plan-theory-crazy-insane-gif-22079506

[distant dome]

Even if minions despawning due to duration running out doesn't work cause "on death" triggers, when you spike a minion for an offering effect, the pillar they're spiked on counts as a minion and has the potential to be destroyed right? So something like this would work?

In general, Essence Harvest + Unearth is also massive mana regen

[short timber]

They did gut recharge rate and start rate

[ancient geyser]

but there's a lot of sources in the tree to increase both of them, so not really

they just streamlined it so that if you wanna build ES you will wanna pick up those nodes

[real hornet]

that seems fun right?

[modern tangle]

They didn't exactly gut start of recharge. There's total of 120% faster start already found in the tree. 100% means you're at 2 seconds. Monks can drop theirs to from 4 to 3 seconds very early.

They wanted us to commit to ES recharge more instead of just having it.

[ancient geyser]

how do you play low life now in poe2 though, genuinely curious

[real hornet]

hmmm, nice

[modern tangle]

There are at least 3 ways to start your recharge instead of waiting for the timer too. To be built for.

[marble stream]

Do we know how dots work with weapon swap? For example, if I apply ignite with staff that has 50% increased fire and then swap to staff that does not have it, do I lose damage?

[modern tangle]

Ailment pre-mitigation damage is determined and snapshotted when they're applied.

[marble stream]

Thank you

[real hornet]

oh wow this is actually a lot of damage

[short timber]

Yeah but you need a hefty investment

Although the 10% on skill use exists too

But then the rate is way lower

12.5% per second now

[ancient geyser]

just don't get hit

[daring jay]

right in the middle of this

its on monk side

[native widget]

Wait thats not bad

Sorcerer can easily grab that too

[daring jay]

truee

its really strong

[native widget]

Not sure if minion damage counts tho

[daring jay]

Does anyone know why the nodable to the left has a golden border and the one to the right doesnt?

what does that mean

[drifting cedar]

what does it say when you hover the one on the right

[daring jay]

can't hover any of them ill find another example

doesnt have a golden border

this one does have golden border

[drifting cedar]

oh, gotcha. I would imagine that the no gold borders are just placeholder art, honestly. they seem to be very few in number

[daring jay]

true

ive been trying to find more but i can only find like 3-4 others on skill tree

dude there is a lot of charge nodes on tree

lets goooo

this gonna be good

[drifting cedar]

man its really hard to not just think that big phys melee is the way to go

[daring jay]

really?

infernal warcry does empower bigger hits better than smaller

and infernal warcry is busted

[daring jay]

Have you seen infernal warcry supports?

they are crazy

[alpine vigil]

ignite hammer is prob better yeah

[drifting cedar]

yeah probably

ancestrally boosted - is this just 100% more damage?

[alpine vigil]

if you can proc it yes

assuming it's like poe1 you need to not be too close

or maybe a bit less than 100% actually but still a lot

[snow mist]

Silly queastion, but i'm at a loss: Is Furious Slam and Ferocious Roar available without Druid class transforming?

[drifting cedar]

I'm looking at titan's "every second slam is boosted" so you'd just prime the hammer with a small slam, surely

[velvet blade]

I don't think so. Those skills will be added when the druid class is added

[frail jay]

Ancestrally Boosted is 20% more damage and 20% inc AOE

[alpine vigil]

fist of war along with whatever ascendancy like chronomancer is prob better no?

[snow mist]

Oh- so we just know about them but they aren't going to be released sort yet sort of thing?

[drifting cedar]

oh, really? well then. not so great

[velvet blade]

Yeah

[alpine vigil]

Uh? The repeat does 20% damage?

or 120%

[frail jay]

it's just 20% more damage there's no repeat

[drifting cedar]

yeah its not a double slam its just fist of war, right?

it isn't tawhoa's chosen as far as I know

[frail jay]

yep

[snow mist]

Some of the Gems have the 'Meta' Tag- what is 'Meta'?"

[drifting cedar]

holds other active gems

[alpine vigil]

ah ok I got confused then

[drifting cedar]

the other reason I'm looking at big phys melee

bloodlust should be super easy to make happen, no?

[velvet blade]

Yeah, you just need a different skill to cause bleeding

Hopefully corrupting blood counts as bleeding so corrupting cry support can allow your warcries to enable this support on attacks

[alpine vigil]

did we see corrupted blood?

oh I see the support

nice to know I will still die to 10 stacks of cb

[wanton juniper]

I would think so, with the emphasis on using multiple skills to combo anyways

[proper pagoda]

ancestral boost is only 20% more damage its bad

[snow mist]

Another potentially silly question: Would Hearld of Thunder convert the damage of Hammer of The Gods?

[mental robin]

yea

[kind mountain]

Hellow, newbie here. Someone knows the traveling distance of Spear's Puncture skill?

[velvet blade]

Spears and spear skills won't be released on the first day of early access so it'll be a while before we know about them

[midnight bolt]

but in the video it could travel at least half of the screen

[kind mountain]

thats more then 3 meters right?

[midnight bolt]

i have no clue

3 meters is quite a lot

[kind mountain]

Endurance charges, for what they are used?

[alpine vigil]

Don't think so, the way it reads to me is, when the Herald procs, your subsequent attacks send a bolt that deal 100% of your attack damage, it ignores whatever the subsequent attack damage is

So when you hotg, you do the big chunk and a tiny lightning bolt

[velvet blade]

Holy shit. Does it really give 100% of attack damage as extra lightning damage?

[alpine vigil]

100% of whatever your weapon damage is yes

[velvet blade]

For 5 hits after every time you kill a shocked enemy?

[alpine vigil]

If your weapon is 50 phys 50 cold the bolt will do 50 lightning 50 cold

[snow mist]

Ah, makes sense.

[alpine vigil]

looks like it yeah

[velvet blade]

That's wild

[alpine vigil]

the main issue I see comes from the lack of remaining supports

[vagrant pagoda]

What are the chances tempest caller works with raging spirits

?

[cinder raven]

Cast on crit hexblast is gonna go crazy

If all those 9 explosions can happen on 1 enemy as long as there are curses it will be amazing for bossing as well

I mean now that I look at it cast on crit is not really required except to reduce cast time

But they haven't shown how they calculate max energy for coc yet

[proper pagoda]

dont u need 9 curses to get 98 explosions?

9*

how is that even possible?

[midnight bolt]

its 1 explosion per enemy not per curse i think, but we will see

[daring jay]

hexblast + blasphemy seems sick

[short rover]

am I missing something or is the only two ways for Monk to generate a power charge involve using a skill that dashes them to a shocked/cullable enemy

[midnight bolt]

no there are at least 2 more ways to do it

one with passive node and one with reservation skill

[short rover]

yeah the frenzy as power charge one, forgot about that, but whats the reservation skill?

[midnight bolt]

no, frenzy as power is different

the reservation one

[short rover]

interesting

[velvet blade]

For anyone who hasn't seen it yet, Witchhunter's concentration node seems insaaaane for boss fighting

[cinder raven]

You can keep reapplying curses if it works like it does in poe 1

While reading flicker strike it says you can't gain power charges during using the skill but how about power charges which are converted from frenzy?

[midnight bolt]

next level ascendency: dumb down AI of eenemy hope chronomancer will also have a button to disable some boss moves

[proven quest]

You could also use profane ritual, which I've been considering https://poe2db.tw/us/Profane_Ritual

[midnight bolt]

wont work u still gaining them

[velvet blade]

Yeeeah, can couple that with this as well to make boss encounters even easier

[proven quest]

Since it says gain power instead of frenzy, I'd have to agree with Misha

[cinder raven]

Does one with the Strom give +1 Power charge effect or doubles the consumed Power charges effect?

[short rover]

hm, maybe this on a cast on melee kill trigger would work 🤔

[proven quest]

Gives +1. So consuming one power charge counts as consuming 2, consuming 2 counts as consuming 3, etc

I'm coping that consuming 0 counts as consuming 1 with One with the storm

[proven quest]

Have we seen a cast on melee kill?

[midnight bolt]

this shit will be busted for flicker and rain of arrows

[short rover]

its in the poe2db atleast

[cinder raven]

Nah it specifically says you gotta consume one

Oh wait it doesnt

[proven quest]

The only reason I'm coping is because it doesn't haha

[cinder raven]

Holy shit I'm coping too then

Btw there is not +1 max power charge and all right?

On tree?

[short rover]

there is

its near the monk Starting area

[proven quest]

That's near the monk starting area?? That node is insane

[midnight bolt]

i think there are 2 more nodes with power charge simbol

but we dont know them yet

[short rover]

yeah its this one

at least currently, who knows if its moved since the alpha playtest thing this was based off of

[proven quest]

Weird, it wasn't in the spirit tab. 1 trigger every 4 kills isn't bad, but I think cast on freeze or cast on shock might be better. Especially for bossing

[midnight bolt]

imagine if ignite or bleed worked with decimating strike 😱

[short rover]

maybe im reading profane ritual wrong but it sounds like you have to target a corpse with it, or atleast there be a corpse within the AOE of it if its a ground effect, so if you're cast on shock you might just be profane ritualing nothing, vs cast on melee kill it will happen right when you're actually creating a corpse

at least in my head

[proven quest]

Nope, you’re 100% correct. Have we seen desecrate yet?

[mental robin]

wait.....can we have ifninite rain of arrows????
Here's another cool theory craft!!
Weapons: Staff and Bow
(0) start with max frzy charges and 10 combo on mantra
(1) use rain of arrows with mantra of destruction so that it def crits
(2) use sniper mark via hand of chalupa on targets inside.
(3) a hit will crit which will give frenzy frenzu charge
repeat step (2) (no cd since hand of chalupa bypassses cd?) till max frenzy charge and itll be easy to repeat....
In fact, one doesn't even need mantra.
Just rain of arrow, hand of chalupa inside get frenzy, rain of arrow, etc.

(copied from main chat)

[velvet blade]

I don't think rain of arrows has a duration so you wouldn't have time to weapon swap and mark more enemies before all the arrows hit

It would just fire a ton of arrow at once when consuming frenzies

I like this concept though of using a weapon swap to create a long lasting effect and interact with it with a different weapon's abilities

[mental robin]

from the video footage we've seen, rain of arrows looked like a duration? This was exile con footage so really old.
I haven't seen it since. is there any footage you're aware of?

[proven quest]

This is what I was thinking as well. If you end up hitting 10 enemies with the rain of arrows, you'd be able to mantra again immediately. But you would only be able to apply sniper's mark on one enemy and then Rain of Arrows

[velvet blade]

Hmm, good point. I'm just going off this skill gem from poe2db

[proven quest]

How @velvet blade described it is how it works in POE1, and the skill doesn't have a duration tag

[mental robin]

it doesn't all come down at once.. from teh old footage it kinda just pours out of the sky in batches and they were free to move, attack, etc.

[velvet blade]

That would be really cool if it does work that way

[mental robin]

its not tagged duration but essentially, with the number of arows and attack speed fixed, based on how many arrows ggg makes appear in the sky, it morally behaves as if it had "duration". (but doesn't scale with duration support).
Anyways I think we can interact during the process.
I don't know if we can trigger multiple sniper marks (whose cd is bypassed from hand of cuthulu) from one rain of arrow but the wording suggests we can.

[daring jay]

Anyone knows what the blue bar is?

[mental robin]

es.....

[daring jay]

oh es dont cover the hp bar anymore??

wtf

[proven quest]

I agree you can interact during the process, there is probably a delay between the attack and when the projectiles land. But it seems like it will just be one volley of arrows regardless of how many are fired. At least based on the skill gem info we have, but all of that could be incomplete

[velvet blade]

Might even help to support it with slower projectiles

[mental robin]

this build could be EXTREME zoom.
For example, chaos monk, posion build which for mapping just uses cuthulu paired with this frenzy generation setup to speed
Or it could be a posion pf.
or it coul dbe a part of manay builds. all it uses is quarterstaff + bow so any one that wants to focus on that...

[proven quest]

@mental robin This looks like rain of arrows in the content reveal https://youtu.be/ZpIbaTXJD4g?t=1991. It does look like they're coming down continuously over 2-2.5 seconds

should be timestamped

[mental robin]

it isnt, what time?

[proven quest]

33:11

[velvet blade]

It does actually seem to last a while

1 - 2 seconds

[daring jay]

Whats the requirement to stun? Just any melee attack or what

[velvet blade]

The first shot is fired at 33:12 and the barrage ends at 33:14

[daring jay]

wait any hits can stun?? except "Damage over time, reflected damage, and self-damage cannot stun"

[proven quest]

It looks like a pretty small aoe too

[velvet blade]

Not sure if that's enough time to weapon swap and start attacking and collect charges, but maybe with slower proj and more projectiles it would help

[mental robin]

thank you so much

shes not een using frenzy charges

if she wre using frenzy charges then it will be up there x3 langer?

(at least 1)

[proven quest]

I definitely missed that in the reveal, interesting idea

[velvet blade]

Depends on how they work the extra arrows. If it's a fixed amount per second or if they would just add more arrows per second of the skill

Definitely worth testing on launch though

[mental robin]

fiar good point. I am going to use the "ivusal clarity" philsophy to pretend its just the same fixed amount per second.

[proven quest]

It's like we're sharing the same brain cell

Honestly I think fixed time would be much better, that means arrows directly increase dps

[mental robin]

if its not then its busted for bossing... its super dps.
If it is, then we can do this funny shennaningans...win win?

Another idea:
conc effect on on rain of arrows with increased aoe on tornadoe.....

will they get partially sucked in?
Will each spit out into 3????
This is absolutely busted.
So how would they balance the interaction?

[proven quest]

What do you mean sucked in, and spit out?

[velvet blade]

Gonna be a lot of fun tinkering and experimenting

[proven quest]

Ahh ok, I was looking at Tornado, not Tornado Shot

One way to balance is to have it only be able to be hit by X number of projectiles, like Tornado in POE1

[proven quest]

I think physical damage will be able to stun, but I don't have any source for that

[mental robin]

According to a an analysis from furgen (on his ytube video) tornado shot wasbriefly shown in the reveal video , and for each shot it only does multiplies one projectile 3x
However in rain of arrows, not all the arrwos come down at the same time, so I wonder if the interaction is different (like in poe1???)

[mental robin]

any hits can stun, because the monk in the video had herald of thunder and it looked liked he stunned the enemies he was fighting??

[daring jay]

would make sense yeah.

thats nuts if true

[mental robin]

would avatar of fire even be there if they couldnt stun?

[daring jay]

trueee

[proven quest]

Ya might just be that physical damage has the highest stun effect, but all damage can stun?

@mental robin Not sure what class/ ascendency you were thinking, but Avidity on the deadeye sounds juicy. 30% chance that if you gain Frenzy Charges, you instead gain up to your maximum number of Frenzy Charges.

[snow mist]

Are totems also effected by Spirit or do they just have a cap on their own?

[proven quest]

From the gems I've seen totems have a limit, but the interraction can be changed with a keystone https://poe2db.tw/us/Ancestral_Bond

[mental robin]

this is what I had in mind. pretty uchwhat you said.

[snow mist]

Ah, alright.

[proven quest]

Cool, I like it. Deadeye seems like it'll be the best damage build, but merc might be cool to look at as well. The weapon set skill points could really smooth out the damage between quarterstaff and bow

[velvet blade]

Do we know if there's any way to have minion hits deal chaos damage?

[snow mist]

Does the damage from Hearld of Thunder scale with Lightning dmg increase effects? Pure Power passive node increase attack damage of physical attacks?

[mental robin]

ty. i dont know how ounchy rain of arrow swill actually be on boss.
If it's not punchy, then rain of arrows is a cute life and mana leecehr (since its all phys).
Sadly it doesn't look like a good bleeder/posioner since its hits are so tiny but we could go into a chaos dot version of the build or a siphon strike falling thudner/flicker strike version.

[mental robin]

scales wiht lignting dmge increase and not phys.
conversion happens pre incre/more modifieers
Extra damage however is computed pre onversion

[snow mist]

Extra damage is computed pre onversion? What does that mean (if you don't mind me askin, ty for help btw. lol)

[mental robin]

im hoping ther eis a unique staff that reads "When equipped, all quarter staff attacks are treated as Bow attacks".
This was suggested by SylverX youtube.
It would make this exodia build.

[real hornet]

give me discharge right now

also tshot getting axed for poe2 at least makes sense so other skills are allowed to exist, unlike poe1

[proven quest]

I think he meant pre conversion*, so before damage is converted to a different type

[proven quest]

Sounds unlikely, but would be very interesting

[snow mist]

OH. Makes sense, thank you.

[olive tide]

man that rain of arrows breakdown looks like a lot of abilities XD

[real hornet]

added as extra damage is taken post conversion of any kind

[alpine vigil]

Did they change how stuns work, why is everyone asking if spells or phys damage can stun

[real hornet]

100 fire, 50% to cold, 20% of fire damage as extra cold, would be 50 fire, 60 cold

[snow mist]

That makes a lot more sense. Thank you.

[real hornet]

in short, there is no longer this stun immunity in poe2 for players from what I can tell, it will build up the threshold till it stuns the player, unless they haven't been in combat recently (refreshed every time damage is taken or dealt)

similar to how dodge and evade build up cumulative % chance to 100% before getting hit

[little pebble]

Are there any websites with a full passive tree build planner yet?

[midnight bolt]

....

[daring jay]

there is like 50% of the tree (if only counting keystone and nodables) shown

https://marcoaaguiar.github.io/poe2-tree/

[little pebble]

Alright, thank you

[daring jay]

maybe its more than 50% xD maybe more like 70%

[daring jay]

this would be "20% more critical hit chance" right? So making 10% crit chance 12%.

[alpine vigil]

idk it seems fine like that considering the few crit nodes we saw

20% more sounds too strong to me

[cinder raven]

What is crit dmg bonus?

As in how different from crit dmg multi?

Are they both multiplicative?

[alpine vigil]

I don't think it's called crit multi anymore

[light fractal]

bonus is multi minus the base, so 570 multi is 470 bonus
this lets them do increases and mores to multi without it scaling strangely

multi isn't in the game anymore

only bonus now

[cinder raven]

Ah ok

Thanks

[pseudo charm]

has anyone seen if there are sources of mana leech for spells on the tree? or any ways to get mana leech?

theres the mana leech support, but thats only for physical attacks.

i wanna play archmage chayula monk, but if mana leech for spells is close to non-exsistant, might be rough.

[maiden karma]

They hate mana leech on spells

[pastel forge]

Seems like you might have to rely on Regen and flasks for mana

Base Regen is like 4% tho

[pseudo charm]

well chayula monk has mana leech is instant, so hard to assume there is no mana leech at all.

just gotta wait till we in game i guess.

[maiden karma]

There is on attacks

[pastel forge]

Mana leech exists as a gem for attacks not spell

[pseudo charm]

ya i know. and its for physical only

[maiden karma]

Monk is designed to be primarily melee

[pastel forge]

There might be uniques that grants mana leech on spells in the future, it's just doubtful for spells

[alpine vigil]

not happening

[pastel forge]

For now

[alpine vigil]

there's no way it'll ever happen lol

or they'll have to nuke leech/archmage

[pastel forge]

It'll probably come with a bunch of downsides lul

Like

[maiden karma]

Corrupting increased values on this is gonna be nuts

[pastel forge]

50% less mana

Lmao

[alpine vigil]

honestly even then, you get es leech for free with it too

maybe 70% less

for 0.5% spell leech

[pastel forge]

Ya but the point is to counteract archmage

Cause you halve your mana

Etc

[alpine vigil]

half the mana is still half bonus damage that you couldn't get otherwise

[cinder raven]

I mean that would remove mom

Which is currently better than archmage imo

Since archmage is not flat dmg

[alpine vigil]

mom is great but monk has es leech

[cinder raven]

If EB remains unchanged it might be better to use it

[maiden karma]

Chonk will have to go MoM without ES if you want to benefit from darkness at all

[cinder raven]

With MOM

[alpine vigil]

we're talking about a hypothetical where they release spell leech

darkness is garbo imo

probably the most bait ascension

no spirit is rough

[maiden karma]

We still don't know the other node

[alpine vigil]

it better be super good

[cinder raven]

If Darkness can be used for spirit gems it can be ok

[alpine vigil]

yeah

[cinder raven]

But honestly there is no upside

If reserved

[pseudo charm]

praying for essence worm in poe2.

[cinder raven]

I'm just waiting for COC energy stats to come out

It looks mental

With hexblast

There is a leech cap right?

For mana?

Is it 10% or 20%

[alpine vigil]

normally no

leech cap was an implementation detail in poe1, they didn't explicitly add one in poe2

[jolly raft]

how do i get my hands on the skill tree to check stuff or is that still under lock and key?

[eternal meadow]

Question about rhoa mount - I think GGG stated that will work only with ranger skills, so it shouldn't work with crossbow, or am I misremembering or misinterpreting something?

[maiden karma]

No tree

[alpine vigil]

https://marcoaaguiar.github.io/poe2-tree/ there's just this

[maiden karma]

Last I saw anyone can use it, but the speed penalty will be gigantic

[cinder raven]

Oh shit,
Even blood mage can be crazy

Imagina having iron will keystone

With bloodmage

[alpine vigil]

lifetap archmage bloodmage

[maiden karma]

That's a thing people plan on doing with MoM and EY

[pastel forge]

Excuse me, it's Life tap eternal youth MoM arch bloodmage

[alpine vigil]

this is either dogshit or getting hotfixed day 2

love it

[pastel forge]

Life of early access

Also have to see what they decide on for eldritch battery

Since the one we saw from streamers is confirmed outdated by ggg

[misty shell]

Do we have confirmation on how elemental equilibrium will work on attacks that hit with all 3 elements? From the wording it suggests removed -> add so in theory we should get all 3 exposures?

[modern tangle]

I think Dreamcore's video said it would work like that with multi-element hits.

[tacit kayak]

What's everybody cooking up? 👀

[sterile stone]

that sounds like too good to be true(?)

[sterile stone]

nothing special, average minions

[modern tangle]

If the exposure is like -10% res? Not that big for a keystone.

[misty shell]

Cold monk -> lightning monk -> power charge monk

[sterile stone]

gotta wait for that details, but seems too low for a keystone if its just 10%

[misty shell]

or even if mobs don't have 80% plus res, pen is a lot worse

[maiden karma]

It's a new game where conditionless ascendancies give just 10% more damage, 10 exposure is not insignificant

[sterile stone]

its it kinda the same thing as this no? but instead of 2 other elements, now it only removes 1 elements

[modern tangle]

Just saying it's not "too good to be true"

Rare for a keystone to not have downside in poe2.

[sterile stone]

i mean too good to be true if it actually expose all 3 elemnts

bcs the logic kinda the same remove then add(?)

[maiden karma]

Why

In what scenario are you gonna hit with all 3 at once

[misty shell]

monk gets 10% cold and light added on ascendancy, so you just get fire from somwhere like a herald

[sterile stone]

LA Trinity?

[maiden karma]

Do you see trinity anywhere?

[sterile stone]

im talking about poe 1 EE

the wording order is the same, remove then add

if it doesnt work in poe 1 i dont think it works in poe 2

what makes you think it will works?

[misty shell]

dreamcore put out a vid suggesting it would

but i agree if the wording is close to poe1 for sure

[sterile stone]

and it has nothing to do with trinity, if you have all 3 added damage then you deal all 3 elements

im saying there are build that deal all 3 damage

[misty shell]

If you hit an enemy with two different elements at the same time it will apply exposure to the third element and remove the other two element exposure. A hit carrying all three elements types will not apply exposure and will remove all of them.

from the wiki, im defintely inclined to agree that given how close the wording is Dreamcore was just incorrect

[sterile stone]

i saw some other video about minion and i think the ytber also give some incorrect statements, until the numbers is out no one knows for sure

[snow mist]

Is Hearld of Thunder a toggle on and off sort of buff ability?

[ancient geyser]

blood mage might not even be necessary to make this work come to think of it, but it definitely is a helpful ascendancy because it's the only caster with access to spell leech in case we end up needing even more hp sustain

but stormweaver lifetap archmage is surely looking hot

[pastel forge]

yea thats why im drawn to it

plus free crit dmg from stacking hp

stormweaver could be cool if the uh

vortex thingies from crits do good dmg

[ancient geyser]

double shock plus storms looks like it can dish out good dmg at bosses

but yeah if you can't offset the 500 hp per ball lightning cast in lategame might be scuffed

[pastel forge]

we are also assuming recharge passives on the tree applies for eternal youth i guess

[ancient geyser]

they should

[pastel forge]

since its converted to recharging hp

not too sure

since no more double dip for converted stuff

[ancient geyser]

if it doesn't work build might get gutted but it really should, seems like the idea is that you make your hp recharge as if it was ES

[pastel forge]

yea

it reverses the role making es be a regular lifepool you can flask up on to allow hp to recharge

and unlike converted stats

there's no recharge hp passives

so it should work

base recharge is like 12.5% based on the dreamcore vid

i wonder if its recharging based on max hp or max es tho

[ancient geyser]

i also really hope blood mage gets access to summoning blood orbs on hit against rares and uniques otherwise that first node is so pepega

[pastel forge]

maybe

[ancient geyser]

should be on max hp

but even at base 12.5% recharge you are recharging a good chunk of life

[pastel forge]

there's like 2x 25% recharge nodes and 1x 40% recharge that i can see for the pathing i did earlier

there's another 30% one near double curse but its like 2 travel nodes and 3 small ones

probably not worth

12.5 x 1.9 = 23.75% recharge

so we just need 2000~ hp for 475 recharge

[ancient geyser]

and then there's the leech part too

[pastel forge]

i guess if there are jewels that can empower notable passives that can reach Pure Power at the top

it might be worth it

[ancient geyser]

which even if it's just adding 100 hp per second should be enough to add a lot of value

[pastel forge]

yea

oh

are there map debuffs that affect recharge rate?

in poe1

[ancient geyser]

huh

likely

[pastel forge]

i havent played poe1 in forever

[ancient geyser]

they only said they got rid of ele reflect

but those recharge maps you either avoid or no hit

unlike poe1 you have tools to actively avoid getting hit

poe 1 is just facetank simulator

[pastel forge]

hmm

i do wonder

if there's a possibility to use like

a weapon swap for mana leech

oh nvm it only leeches phy

the gem i mean

thought it leeches all attacks

then you could maybe use a quaterstaff with lightning ability to leech mana for when you are really low due to bosses

without seeing the other ascendancy nodes, mom acolyte monk seems like a gimmick for now

since no real offensive nodes were revealed that isnt related to darkness

[ancient geyser]

chayula is probably ok, it looks like it was designed to build MoM as defensive layer with the whole insta mana leech

[pastel forge]

ironically mana leech being physical only makes it not that suitable for monks since they are mostly elemental

quaterstaff i mean

[light fractal]

does frozen legion exist in any form?

or mirage warriors?

basically anything where when i do something a bunch of guys show up and smack the monster

[pastel forge]

in one of the earlier showcases, there was an ability that summons a mirage that attacks i think? or did i confuse that from another game lol

[ancient geyser]

in the official showcase there was a spectral monkey that ran into a tree

[light fractal]

not quite what i'm looking for but thanks 🙏

[light fractal]

ok cool, i'm just happy there's something like that in the game

i'll find it when i play

thanks

[pastel forge]

i think i misremembered this, so take it with a grain of salt

[olive tide]

is there credible info on crit strike chance and bonus out there?

[pastel forge]

wdym

[kind pawn]

There is a video by dreamcore on crit specifically. There are changes to crit damage bonus

[thorny lintel]

whats the current take bois? Im feeling Witchhunter, but blood mage seems a safe bet for HC

[sterile stone]

jesus youre starting HC?

[maiden karma]

Not sure what part of an ascendancy that we only know partially is a safe bet

We have full information about witch hunter, titan and both rangers

[sterile stone]

Jonathan said melee is strong, and boss are easier to dodge in cqc bcs now they have different movement sets with distance

[maiden karma]

Honestly might just do a melee PF at this point

[sterile stone]

why PF?

[maiden karma]

Easy immortality

[sterile stone]

elaborate lol i didnt notice anything "broken"

[maiden karma]

Endless life flask without any penalties

[sterile stone]

well we gonna need more than flask to stay alive

[maiden karma]

Rest comes from tree and gear

Just like everyone else

Leech feels like a huge bait and haven't seen much regen stuff yet

[sterile stone]

my guess is melee prolly safe just like in poe 1, theyre build to be tanky

not to mention we have aegis aurora node on left side tree

with active block, scaling armour and es on left side seems no brainer

but yeah seeing how people really rely on flask and how ziz said ranger feels so good bcs of flask regen, PF could be a play

combine with double life flask unique, maybe it is possible

[frozen igloo]

Yo guys, does this chaos monk ascendancy sound to you like the instant Mana Leech would also instantly mana leech ES, or you think that'd be only instant for Mana while ES would just be over-time recovery?
Something about the phrasing trips me up

Eh, sorry maybe it's not the right channel. But I was gonna plan on doing a tanky Monk build with this :p

[distant dome]

So weapons in PoE 2 just don't have traditional damage values on them right?

Scepters/Staffs have no flat damage ranges for melee attacks etc.

[modern tangle]

caster weapons don't have attacks, only a mana-free spell

[livid tree]

the spell does not cost mana? can those spells be configured with support gems?

[snow mist]

How good is Acrobatics if you push into high Evasion?

[modern tangle]

To answer that, we'll have to find out how much evasion we can stack.

and what it costs us

[snow mist]

Ah, makes sense.

I heard that single handed swords aren't coming out this EA? Hard to believe, but what i heard lol.

[pastel forge]

is unleash something like echo?

[sterile sparrow]

Coming during ea, but not on ea launch. Will come together with skills made for swords and whichever class they think works best with them thematically (duelist?).

[sterile sparrow]

Kind of yes. You store up your "echoes" over time and then release multiple casts at once.

[pastel forge]

hmm

[sterile sparrow]

So it's quite bad if you are spamming the skill, but quite good if you are using it a little more sparingly

[pastel forge]

im a little confused on how the accumulation works

a seal for 200% cast time, so every time you cast twice you gain one?

[sterile sparrow]

I think the answer to both questions is yes

[distant dome]

any idea if cast speed increases reduce the energy cost of "cast on" triggers, since their Maximum energy scales with cast time of spells?

[sterile sparrow]

The accumulation just happens over time. The "200% of cast time" refers to how quickly. So if your spell has 0.5s cast time you get a stack once every second.

[pastel forge]

ah

so its a delayed echo

seems like its more suitable for cd spells

[sterile sparrow]

No, I would assume not, since those meta gems specifically refer to "base cast time".

[pastel forge]

hmm

maybe lightning conduit is a suitable target for unleashed

tho we lack info on the gem

since it consumes shock for more damage

[sterile sparrow]

Cd spells are not supported by unleash

[sterile sparrow]

First cast would remove the shock, no?

[pastel forge]

ah right

no sure what else to use it on then

[sterile sparrow]

Entirely depends on what builds are in the game, but it excels with skills you don't want to spam all the time but do want to cast multiple times in a row when you do cast them

Like blade fall in poe1 for example

I haven't looked at all the skill gems in poe2 so idk

More will come out later anyway

[pastel forge]

well im building with archmage in mind

ball lightning is the main spammer so i dont want to have unleash on it

[pastel forge]

i guess i could go uhh

[sterile sparrow]

Very long cast too, so very slow to stack unleash

[pastel forge]

orb of storms and lightning storm both dont work either

im just left with spark basically lmao

[sterile sparrow]

Indeed not

[sterile sparrow]

I guess, yeah? You don't have to use unleash

[viral stirrup]

ok so wtf is a gem tier

[pastel forge]

tier is just the lvl you can unlock them i think

[sterile sparrow]

Afaik it just restricts how early you can get it

[viral stirrup]

ok so it's not tied to rarity or anything, just level

[pastel forge]

yea

[viral stirrup]

well they already say a level requirement so why bother having a tier on there

Skeletal Arsonist
Tier: 3 (Witch)
Level: 5
Requires: Level 14, 34 Int

Bone Cage
Tier: 3 (Witch)
Level: 2
Requires: Level 3

[pastel forge]

seems more relevant to support gems i guess, since all of them show lvl 1 req

[viral stirrup]

now im really confused

[sterile sparrow]

I THINK it's when you get an uncut gem the tier of the uncut gem determines which skill gem you can turn it into

Likewise for support gems

[pastel forge]

right, uncut gems drop for diff tier

so you need a t11 uncut gem to get ball lightning

[viral stirrup]

ok so higher tiers are more rare since you need what I'm assuming is a more rare uncut gem to make it

[pastel forge]

its just level scaling based i suppose

like act 1 you only get access to t1-3 or something

[sterile sparrow]

Kind of? I think it's more so gated by how far into the game you've got. Kind of like how no vendor will sell you golems in act2 in poe1 etc.

So maybe not necessarily more "rare"

Just unlocked later

I don't think we know for sure though

[viral stirrup]

ok so that gem opens this menu
so the uncut is level 7
so it can make gems that are level 1-7
but not 8+
so i think basically what you said

although i still dont understand tier vs level
frost wall is tier 9 so you cant pick it with the level 7 uncut
but it says frost wall is level 6 and flammability is level 7?
maybe that's the level the gem starts off on

[restive harness]

because they move frost wall to tire 9 and no data right now

Tier information was added to the skills on the website. Tier will require the corresponding Uncut Gem Level to unlock, and will also affect the minimum required level. Class within Tier is a source, not limit.

[median gulch]

Any website where you can plan for the skills ascendancies give ?

[modern tangle]

We haven't even seen the tooltips of those skills, mostly.

[verbal kindle]

this is interesting, i assume you dont just use spirit to add totems, but also damage to attacks, so your 'main' attack can be juiced with spirit

so for example, if you used all spirit on 1 attack, then used 'hourglass' support, you could have a big dick damage attack

[unkempt scroll]

What are you yapping about? Using spirit on an attack?

[modern tangle]

The arrow next to dmg opens details window where you can assign the skill to be used with specific weapon set, IIRC.

[verbal kindle]

ah never mind, got confused

spirit is used for persistant skills though no? used for all classes?

[modern tangle]

yes yes

[verbal kindle]

ah fair enough

[proper pagoda]

Is temp chains a multiplier on dot damage on poe2? It increases duration in poe1 Right?

[silver bobcat]

Hello! I've seen dreamcore's video, calculating that energy shield's recharge rate is 12.5% per second.
I'm wondering, if you get a node that gives you "30% increased energy shield recharge rate". Would that means : 30% of the 12.5%, so 12.5%*1.30 = 16.25% per second shield recharge rate?
It's not 12.5%+30% = 42.5% right?

[proven quest]

The temp chains I’m seeing in poe2db looks like it’ll work the same way as poe1. Which means it’s not necessarily a multiplier, it depends on the dot. Ignite for example deals the same damage per second regardless of duration. It ends up scaling poison damage because of poison stacking in poe1

[velvet blade]

Since it makes effects expire slower on enemies, I'm guessing it's good for any "damage per second" effects and not good for "damage over x seconds" effects

[pastel forge]

thats usually how it works yea

[civic kiln]

someone knows the stat of bind spectre skill or how it works?

will it gain some special abilities of monsters?

[proper pagoda]

right so it does extend duration then?

[civic kiln]

or only flat stat?

[proper pagoda]

but if youre able to reapply a DOT and duration isnt a limiter, it isnt super useful?

[maiden karma]

It will copy the monster with all its abilities

[civic kiln]

there's a list of monsters already?

[maiden karma]

No

[proven quest]

Right, and right. For most dots it’s quality of life. The longer the dot the less often you have to reapply, which allows you to focus on staying alive

[proper pagoda]

yeah probably good for my build though since with hammer of gods especially stun based setups u prob cant reapply before the ignite ends

[distant dome]

Are totems minions? do they have HP?

[silver bobcat]

ok ty

[maiden karma]

No and yes

[distant dome]

would ComD be able to summon a totem

[maiden karma]

Maybe

[velvet blade]

In PoE1 totems and traps/mines can be confusing af. Hopefully they're simplified in PoE2

[distant dome]

italic text

<3

[velvet blade]

We'll have no idea until we test in ea

[maiden karma]

Never seen anyone do something silly like that in 1

[pastel forge]

doubt, unless totems have minion tags

totems scale off your character anyway

whereas minions are their own thing

[distant dome]

I'm still sad ComD probably won't work with offerings D:

since the spike holding up the minion, is considered a minion

[maiden karma]

They really don't want you automating minions any more than in 1

[distant dome]

too bad for them :D

[pastel forge]

oh wait i misunderstood

i mean it should work with totems

since they are not minion tagged

[maiden karma]

Oh

I wasn't aware CwC was a thing

[distant dome]

Yeah

well accoding to PoE2skills.com

Bonestorm = a channel

Raise shield is channeled too O.o

but it costs 100 spirit

which is a lot

ComD is 30

[pastel forge]

you have like 2 totems to use atm for comd

lol

[distant dome]

Not if I go do roids and run strength witch

hulks out

I kid.

[pastel forge]

more likely if you do witchhunter merc instead

with the +20 weapon spec node

more freedom to dual spec minions/totem in terms of passive

tho i guess that's pointless if you are dual wielding mace and scepter

[maiden karma]

Totems are gonna be paper if you don't invest into them properly

[distant dome]

I'm proably runninc Scepter + shield

I was just looking for random stuff to put with ComD

[maiden karma]

But holy shit CwC changes things for me

[distant dome]

and I saw something that did Chaos dot that happened to be totem

and I was like

"If I paired that with contaigen"

[maiden karma]

That totem doesn't do DoT

[distant dome]

rp

[maiden karma]

It shoots projectiles at anything with a DoT

[distant dome]

ooh

gotcha

makes sense

so it looks like if I build this

I might also want to stack cast speed support

cuz it'd take 2.25 seconds to full channel a bonestorm with 2 seals

but faster casting would be... something closer to 1.8-1.9 seconds

bascially 3 times value compared to putting it on another skill

Or I coul just use echo

[void owl]

Where the aang build at

[ancient geyser]

i think bonestorm might lowkey be bad

[visual grove]

is this worth it? i just dont know what projectiles it fires though

[ancient geyser]

looks like it'd need so much investment to turn it into a proper build tool and channeling for 2 seconds to throw a big nuke seems like would be better offset with spammable abilities

essence drain contagion might be way better than bonestorm for example

[mental robin]

Agreed... tornado shot might scale those projectiles too if you wanted something towork?

[ancient geyser]

i'm also speaking from the perspective here that i know scriblet wants to run a minion build, but bonestorm looks more like a hardnuke spell that would be better run on a non traditional minion build, maybe with the kill minion support that boosts its dmg by 40% and you'd be running minions as engine to boost your dmg rather than minions doing actual dmg

[drifting cedar]

confirmed you can echo and unleash channels in poe 2?

no they specifically both say no channels..

[mental robin]

oh woops sorry

[ancient geyser]

nah all good, just brainstorming here

[mental robin]

Charged staff labeled attacks.
Can we mantra of destruction our charged staff?

[drifting cedar]

does the wording here imply that the supported hit also restores the affected enemy's armor?

[pastel forge]

no it means you cannot use it on a skill that has armor breaking itself

[drifting cedar]

I mean the "consume enemy fully broken armour" bit

[pastel forge]

oh, i guess armor broken is a debuff and it removes it to deal more damage? tho that would be kinda weird

since its like

[drifting cedar]

Agree, which is why I came in here asking

[pastel forge]

only 1 hit gets buff?

lol

[drifting cedar]

if you can shred armor fast enough and enough of your damage is tied up in your combo finisher, I guess

[pastel forge]

they might update the wording idk

[drifting cedar]

it does combo well with combo finisher support

[pastel forge]

yea i guess it could be good on like a cd or combo finisher move

[drifting cedar]

yeah. thats my current plan

[pastel forge]

hammer of the gods lul

[drifting cedar]

exactly

combo finisher, exploit weakness, bloodlust

assuming you can get a bleed in while building combo and shredding armor

which shouldn't be an issue

not sure what else to do for remaining supports without robbing damage from the combo builder skill

[pastel forge]

well if you wanna use extend combo then it wont work on the 2nd one

[drifting cedar]

extend combo is different I think?

[pastel forge]

oh right

its for 2 parters

[drifting cedar]

this is the only thing I can currently find that will work with it

[distant dome]

oh rip, good catch

[pastel forge]

its kinda hard to find a use for unleash, at least for archmage

unless you manual cast arc instead of using it in cast on crit/shock

[pastel forge]

concentrated effect, at least for bossing

[distant dome]

Anyone have thoughts on Flame wall + Bonestorm?

Not sure if bonestorm shown in Videos had volley or extra projectiles attached

but it seemed like a lot of projectiles

[pastel forge]

also second wind is an interesting one tho it means more cooldown

[drifting cedar]

good call there

second wind potentially as well, considering the very long cooldown on hamemr

[thick pecan]

Is there a way to speed up the full rack of bones I wonder

[drifting cedar]

especially if you can get it to where 2 hammers kills the boss

[pastel forge]

also

hourglass

50% more dmg +8 cd, so you dont need to wait for bleed/stun

[drifting cedar]

is that the chronomancer thing?

[drifting cedar]

I don't think you'd ever be waiting for bleed, but this is a higher multi anyway

[pastel forge]

i mean you could also use close combat but thats probably better used on your spammable

[drifting cedar]

right, yeah

melee physical is questionable with the lower IAS on the spammable

[pastel forge]

oh

is hammer of gods long ranged?

[drifting cedar]

no idea

unlikely?

[pastel forge]

cause there's ranged combat support if you are 7metres away for 35%

[drifting cedar]

lol

maybe you can make the aoe big enough

[cinder raven]

cooldown matters for coc right?

[drifting cedar]

pulverise I guess fits the bill the numbers are just pretty silly

so little damage for such bad qol on the attack time

[digital flame]

Can someone post / pin the build URL?

[drifting cedar]

not sure what you mean by build URL for poe 2. there's this https://poe2skills.com/ which has some skill planning

that's the most I've seen

not sure how accurate that website is, mind you, but some folks are using it

[distant dome]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1269195701162868836/1272517057086230569/Gif4.gif

Spirit Wave was this. I just need to figure out how to do this with SRS

[pastel forge]

hammer of the gods
concentrated effect-hourglass-second wind-combo finisher

last slot can be pulverise/melee physical damage/close combat/fist of war/exploit weakness

or even reduced cooldown for longer fights?

[cinder raven]

if popcorn srs is there in poe 2 it can be done

let me see

[drifting cedar]

oh duh of course fist of war

[pastel forge]

whatever is ancestrally boosted anyway

[distant dome]

#1312364755406688256 message Here you go

[pastel forge]

but yea titan hammer of the gods abuser is gonna be so strong lol

especially if 2nd slam passive procs

[distant dome]

I'm just real curious if minions despawning due to time = Death

[pastel forge]

oh i realized fist of war actually works very well with titan

wait nvm

the passive only gives ancentral boost to every 2nd slam

but fist of war would boost both

or you swap fist of war for something else that isnt a slam

highly depends on what other passives you prefer

48s cooldown without reduced cooldown

[raw coyote]

Any ideas for blood witch hexblast chaos dot enjoyers?

[cinder raven]

do you have any ideas for non dot?

[raw coyote]

Have no idea how hexblast is fitting comparing to PoE one but my usual approach was miner. I wish to have mines in here but seems not the case for now.

[cinder raven]

hexblast mines in poe 1 was non dot

it was hit based

[raw coyote]

Ye thats why i wanna build something different in here

I've seen +1 chaos on tree and attribute scaling notables with one being %int being converted to chaos dot

[cinder raven]

thats a skill gem right?

no its a support

decaying hex

[raw coyote]

Support but there was a note on tree that does something like this as well

[cinder raven]

yeah pairing it with chaotic freeze might be nice

[cinder raven]

can you link it?

[raw coyote]

No idea brother, it was yt video from a guy posting notables i just read it there, I had no prior access to PoE2

[cinder raven]

well i cant find it

[pastel forge]

for attack speed listed for skills

lower number = faster attacks?

like 60% of base vs 120% of base

[cinder raven]

120% is faster

[pastel forge]

ah ok

[cinder raven]

1.2x weapon base attack speed

[midnight wharf]

base is the attack speed shown on the weapon tooltip

[pastel forge]

looks like perfect strike has the highest speed for mace skills

[maiden karma]

Perfect strike is a channel

Pretty sure the fastest mace skill is armour breaker when dual wielding

[pastel forge]

so what even is the most spammable attack for maces then

[midnight wharf]

tbh, any, as long as you get the correct gear and passives

[maiden karma]

DB probably still hasn't updated the tooltip

[pastel forge]

only 2 of the mace skills uses both weapons it seems (sunder and perfect strike)

[maiden karma]

Nah

DB is out if date

[maiden karma]

Most recent screenshot of armour breaker has 40% more attack speed when dual wielding

[pastel forge]

oh nice

not even sure if the dmg boosters are needed if you just wanna stun as fast as possible

is stun based on damage dealt too?

[maiden karma]

Seems like it

[proper pagoda]

i believe so

i think leap slam is prob the best skill to stun

that ive seen

[storm plinth]

double two handed mace leap slam

[pastel forge]

is rage just a resource?

[proper pagoda]

im not sure, wondering exactly what it does also

[maiden karma]

Seems to be same as in 1

[proper pagoda]

it seems giga busted if so. 50% more damage at 50 rage?

i mean im not complaining xD

[maiden karma]

Nah that sounds like way too much for this game

[proper pagoda]

yeah it does

[maiden karma]

Anyway, do we have any info on how poison works?

[proper pagoda]

yes

what do u want to know my friend

[maiden karma]

Can phys still poison

[proper pagoda]

yes

but u need poison change, same as bleeding. i dont believe phys has an implicit chance to poison like elemental damage does with elemental ailments

poison chance*

[maiden karma]

Now I need to figure out how to do armour and poison at the same time

[proper pagoda]

what u mean? u trying to do corrosion?

[maiden karma]

Nah

[proper pagoda]

oh a real poison based build?

[maiden karma]

I like poison but I don't want to do evasion as a starter

[proper pagoda]

oh i see

[maiden karma]

Or bow

[proper pagoda]

yeah poison warrior honestly could be good the problem is all the poison nodes are in ranger area. tbh though you can probably path there realistically. just would be hard early game

[grand roost]

poison grenade xD

[proper pagoda]

but like starting warrior, go through merc, and go to ranger area. could actually be pretty good

although PF may be a better ascend for this so maybe u do the reverse. idk

[maiden karma]

WH is right in the middle

[proper pagoda]

whats WH?

[maiden karma]

Witch hunter

[proper pagoda]

also the prob with poison war is probably gonna be hitting fast enough to max your stacks

supercharge slam could be decent though

since ur getitng like 3-6 hits per slam

[maiden karma]

Maces aren't made for poison at all

[proper pagoda]

yeah

i think sueprcharged slam is the only one that might work for it

[maiden karma]

Wait

[proper pagoda]

im gonna level as mace scaling bleed and then swap to ignite hammer of gods

[maiden karma]

PF has concoction right there in the ascendancy

[proper pagoda]

yep

[gusty bone]

What builds can complete a no hit run?

[maiden karma]

What

[proper pagoda]

lol who knows

maybe some totem shenanigans idk

[pastel forge]

uhh probably heavy minions or something

or heavy evade stacking

but even those are not foolproof

[gusty bone]

They decided to add a unqiue in PoE2 that can only be obtained by running sanctum with a max resolve of 1. I forgot what item that was

[maiden karma]

Oh fuck

They kept original sin?

[gusty bone]

I forgot the name

[maiden karma]

Original sin

The all damage to chaos ring

[pastel forge]

ignite hammer of gods being avatar of fire + added fire?

[eternal pilot]

They never mentioned what the reward would be for doing that? or did it say on the relic item?

[proper pagoda]

not necessarily added fire but i will probably use avatar of fire yeah. posted my rough concept in here #1312802456564137984 message

im not even sure titan is the best ascend for it but would need to see other nodes to know. i could see infernalist or even sorc being better

im just gonna start titan cause i dont wanna hate my life at start of the game and have to like play sorc and then respec to maces. just a complicated respec

[eternal pilot]

Does Hammer of the gods have like a 45 second cd?

[maiden karma]

24

[proper pagoda]

i think theres 30% reduced CD on merc side of tree alone if i remember right so that gets u down to like 17?

im also not using it for clear at all. its just a boss/rare killer

[maiden karma]

What's for clear then?

[proper pagoda]

im not 100% sure. im thinking EQ with ignite prolif. or maybe even spamming stampede which is like 50% movement skill with decent clear could be a vibe

[gusty bone]

This one, resolve is called honour now

[proper pagoda]

but leaning towards EQ

[drifting cedar]

rolling slam for clear might be fun

[maiden karma]

Oh that's not original sin

[eternal pilot]

And the unique is temporalis?

[proper pagoda]

i think aoe is too small for clear but maybe

[gusty bone]

Yea

[proper pagoda]

although if ur ignite and u have prolif it could be fine

[drifting cedar]

thats what I was thinking, yeah

[proper pagoda]

yeah, could work

[eternal pilot]

are you going to convert phys to fire? isnt conversion giga nerfed now

[maiden karma]

So how do you plan on making up the lost damage from avatar?

[thorny path]

It's not free damage anymore if that's what you mean

[proper pagoda]

yes. i guess its nerfed in a sense. im not really taking any phys increases. theres A LOT of increased damage you can get without it. most of the 2h increases are not phys specific. theres lots of "melee" "attack" "exerted" etc scaling

[drifting cedar]

you still need to either convert your base damage or use a fire damage weapon to ignite stuff is what they mean

[proper pagoda]

so even if im stuck at 75% and i cant get that last 25%, its still way more damage to use avatar of fire if ur ignite based i think. there also might be a way to make up that last 25% i have no clue. maybe on tree or a mod on items? who knows

[drifting cedar]

I think it will probably be possible to convert the last 25%

[proper pagoda]

but even if im hard stuck at 75% its still better than not converting i think

[pastel forge]

feels like you could include searing flame in there

[maiden karma]

Have you considered doing bleed instead of ignite?

[proper pagoda]

yeah i am using it. uhh my 5 supports are:

exploti weakness, conc effect, searing flame, ignite duration (forget whats its called) and then idk for the 5th support so i just put a 25% muulti in there for now

[proper pagoda]

a bit. it might be good. might be better. i feel like it probably wont be but im really not sure tbh.

[pastel forge]

i feel a problem is that not all bosses have armor to break?

[proper pagoda]

really? i feel like they all will?

[drifting cedar]

really? where is that info from xallista?

[pastel forge]

that's what i inferred from the part where they were explaining armor piercing rounds on merc and it showed some random mob with armor that breaks off

so it seems to be a specific category?

[proper pagoda]

part of the problem with bleed to me is i feel like the bleed support gems are kinda shit compared to ignite.

like ignite has huge multipliers from support gems. bleed doesnt really have that

[drifting cedar]

i mean, brutality works for bleed right

[proper pagoda]

i think all mobs and bosses can armor break but i could be wrong

[maiden karma]

Viper said they already nerfed bleed multiple times cause it's way too strong

[drifting cedar]

melee phys and brutality both apply to bleed with melee

[eternal pilot]

Wasent it that you pretty much lost every single benefit from physical modifiers etc when you conversed in poe 2 vs 1

[proper pagoda]

yeah i know. maybe they didnt test ignite as much though? Idk. im definitely gonna be playing bleed through the campaign. i was gonna swap to ignite at maps or something

[thorny path]

Yeah, like I said, it's not free damage anymore

[proper pagoda]

yeah but those don't scale the DoT.

Like ignite has 100 increased duration (basically a 100% more multi) - and it has 75% increased effect of ignite. comes with 25% less hit damage, but again this is a fat multi

[thorny path]

Fire damage never benefits from %increased phys now

[drifting cedar]

what do you mean they don't scale the dot? bleed is physical damage and they don't specify hits

[proper pagoda]

yes but there is actually not much increased phys on tree

so thats not really an issue at all

[pastel forge]

https://youtu.be/ZpIbaTXJD4g?t=979

[proper pagoda]

those supports scale the physical hit which by definition scales the dot, but it doesn't double dip. like you dont get 30% more damage on the hit AND 30% more damage on the DoT

[pastel forge]

"if i come across an armored enemy" seems to imply its one variety of enemy type

[drifting cedar]

there's no hit language anywhere

[proper pagoda]

i think theyre just dumbing it down for new players. some mobs will probably have more armour than others

but i think every mob can be armour broken

99% sure thats true

[proper pagoda]

i know but im pretty sure thats how it works in poe 2 now. your dot damage is based on your hit damage. so support gems generally scale the hit of the attack, they don't scale the DoT unless they explicitly say so like ignite effect etc

[pastel forge]

i mean, you can see pieces of their armor breaking off, i dont imagine that happening with like, caster enemies and such

[drifting cedar]

just because there's no animation for armour breaking doesn't necessarily mean you can't apply the armour broken debuff

[proper pagoda]

yeah maybe, i dont think thats true but u could be right. i feel like it would brick too many builds if thats the case

i think mobs with low armour just will be easier to armour break because their armour is lower

[maiden karma]

You're misunderstanding it a bit

[drifting cedar]

what are some examples of ignite supports that do not follow this template? I don't think I agree with this interpretation, but I'm not fully convinced either way

[proper pagoda]

this is my understanding:

Lets say you have a phys hit that does 100 damage. you have a bunch of support gems that give you 100% more phys damage.

Now your hit is hitting for 200 damage.

Bleed is by default 25% of hit damage per second ( i believe thats right)

So your bleed will tick for 50 damage per second.

Your support gems do not ALSO scale that bleed damage. so you are not getting 100% more damage on the 50 to get 100, it is 50 because those support gems already scaled the hit which already scaled the DoT

Now lets say you have a support that says 75% more effect of bleed. THEN you would take the 50 damage and multiply it by 1.75

[thorny path]

Only ignite effect supports we know of are Frostfire and Searing Flame

[proper pagoda]

yes and theres a 100% increased duration support

[thorny path]

but yes you have to scale hit damage for ailments now

[drifting cedar]

that might be accurate, but its worth noting that searing flame is only effectively 31% more ignite damage, 175% *.75 = 131.25

[proper pagoda]

yeah i know

[drifting cedar]

so using brutality as the comparison again, brutality comes out on top. frostfire is very good

but..hard to use probably

and then there's aggravation