kinda have to be on a persistant buff no?
#2┃build-planning
daring jay
maiden karma
Only on useable skills
daring jay
oh
maiden karma
You put it on an active block skill
Block bar breaks, you get stunned but can't die cause of the regen
maiden karma
ES/armour hybrids are gonna be nuts
There are other skills that block actively
Like resonating shield
daring jay
im gonna try ES/Evade
differently seems better to go hybrid instead of focussing on one
hmm
@olive tide I forgot to say infernal warcry gives flicker strike culling strike xD
a little bonus
tacit kayak
@daring jay what ascendancy are you leaning towards for your flicker strike build?
olive tide
ohhh that is kinda dirty
wonder if behead would work with that... i just want behead to be good
daring jay
<@264531534667710465> what ascendancy are you leaning towards for your flicker s...
atm chayula only because the tankyness seems decent, but im waiting to see leaks :o
daring jay
wonder if behead would work with that... i just want behead to be good
behead sounds nasty
tacit kayak
Cool I'll stay tuned 🫡
daring jay
Cool I'll stay tuned 🫡
if invoker got some kind of charge generator like deadeye then invoker any day
distant dome
Noob here, what does "culling" do in PoE
daring jay
But need to see the other nodes
this is the bane of my existance the next 6 days.... xD
maiden karma
Noob here, what does "culling" do in PoE
Instakill enemies under certain life%
distant dome
is the life% static, or do different things cull at different rates/scaling
maiden karma
Was static in 1, now it's different in 2
olive tide
But need to see the other nodes
not just nodes but there were some missing skill/support gems in havoc's video.. i bet some of them will be sexy too
daring jay
Noob here, what does "culling" do in PoE
afaik you insta kill any mob that is below a certain threshold. 30% normal, 20% magic, 20% rare and 5% unique. something like that
olive tide
dont think it works for dot damage
maiden karma
Having a spare skill with culling and behead support is gonna be nice
olive tide
do minions get affected by culling strike support gem? or is it on one of the minion nodes?
distant dome
do minions get affected by culling strike support gem? or is it on one of the mi...
no idea, that's why I'm throwing it out there
#noob
maiden karma
olive tide
haha i am too.. only played 2 leagues in poe. but i think the culling strike gem in poe2 onyl affects attack skills
ancient geyser
is the life% static, or do different things cull at different rates/scaling
it depends on enemy rarity
daring jay
Well the faster you hit the more worth culling strike is because you dont over hit and "lose dmg"
ancient geyser
it goes from 30% on normal monsters to 5% on bosses, there was a picture around you might probably be able to find it
maiden karma
Cull support won't work on minins cause they got no attack tag
distant dome
Cull support won't work on minins cause they got no attack tag
what about... empowered cull
use this on the skeleton offering to grant the rest of your minions culling
maiden karma
Maybe on zombies
olive tide
could work on minion active abilities? like the arsonist explosions
but idk if we have those descriptions yet
daring jay
it needs to be linked with an ability which empower other abilities
maiden karma
use this on the skeleton offering to grant the rest of your minions culling
Offering is just an aura buff
maiden karma
Apparently zombies are empowered if you spend a charge on them
distant dome
is something that'll take some time to understand
daring jay
@distant dome One big thing that helped me over the last couple of days to understand all this is remembering that: The way its worded matters a ton
maiden karma
ancient geyser
it's not that deep you can always take inspiration from poe1 minion builds to see how they are built in foundation and apply that basis to poe2
but minions do be weird
in terms of interactions and mechanics
distant dome
<@146483801244041216> One big thing that helped me over the last couple of days ...
for sure. I think when I have the game in my hands I'll get it all down in like a week
maiden karma
If you're doing raging spirits then you can put cull on the fire spell you're spamming to create them
distant dome
I played PoE 1 for like 2-3 months a few years ago
olive tide
but empowered cull needs to be linked to something that empowers something else right, not just empowering the zombie upon cast? god this gets so confusing
daring jay
but empowered cull needs to be linked to something that empowers something else ...
yes
maiden karma
Won't work then
daring jay
its weird af xD
maiden karma
Looks like they really don't want to let minions cull for you
olive tide
figured something like that would be on the tree and have a disgusting downside
ancient geyser
unless you go witch hunter
daring jay
Looks like they really don't want to let minions cull for you
except if you go witchhunter minion build 
maiden karma
?
ancient geyser
olive tide
but that would still only apply to you right? not the minions
maiden karma
He just gets his own passive cull
distant dome
Pain offering says empower, should work with Empowered Cull
daring jay
Pain offering says empower, should work with Empowered Cull
yes it should :D
distant dome
No capital E on that empower
LOL
maiden karma
daring jay
No capital E on that empower
IS THAT A THING????
distant dome
What is this, Blizzard?
daring jay
XDDDD
ancient geyser
Pain offering says empower, should work with Empowered Cull
correct
maiden karma
Wrong
olive tide
i dont think it works that way
ancient geyser
distant dome
No capital E on that empower
good troll
olive tide
the skill itself cant "empower".. empowered cull requires you to link it to something that empowers something else, at least from how i read it
daring jay
it does work
distant dome
empower isn't a tag, it's only used in flavor text
daring jay
there isnt a "empower" tag
olive tide
i think the empower is sort of like exert in poe 1
proven rapids
Yeah for exemple, if you link empowered cull to barrage, empowered cull will give the bow skill barrage buff culling strike
daring jay
Look at what infernal cry says
oh
true i guess
@distant dome well you see words matter xD
distant dome
If this doesn't work, they're going to need to remove the word "empower" from the flavor text
olive tide
olive tide
that line makes me think, you have to empower pain offering from another skill
distant dome
intersting
ancient geyser
no, minions are skills
distant dome
then Pain offering is a skill that empowers another skill (minions)
ancient geyser
it's just that the blue tooltip doesn't include the keyword empower
and the blue tooltip is the one that matters but
olive tide
but its empower your active minions, not a skill
ancient geyser
this interaction may or may not work
distant dome
It also may or may not work post-EA
maiden karma
As I already said, the capital E matters
regal zenith
I wonder will it works, sounds silly but if you can stack HP of bone spike it should be fun to play around it
ancient geyser
the main issue i see is that pain offering doesn't include Empower as part of the blue tooltip
distant dome
As I already said, the capital E matters
Capital [E]dge case
I'm not worried
Just trying to get a feel for skills in general :D
maiden karma
I wonder will it works, sounds silly but if you can stack HP of bone spike it sh...
Impale infernal brutes and have clerics revive them afterwards
olive tide
haha yeah idk how it'll work, hopefully its awesome
distant dome
I'm really curious on what the "weakest specter" is, like lowest spirit reservation cost
regal zenith
Impale infernal brutes and have clerics revive them afterwards
Also sound like an option
maiden karma
Probably strand zombies
ancient geyser
Just trying to get a feel for skills in general :D
this is a sample someone experienced for minions built, might be able to give you a feeling https://shorturl.at/wdsi7
distant dome
will this get modified by thre reduced damage from "multiple projectiles"
maiden karma
Yes
olive tide
is that how that works?
maiden karma
It's like temporary base damage for the projectile going through
All calculations will apply to it
olive tide
just thought it would reduce the projectiles when fired.. then when they pas through the wall they get that flat damage unmitigated
maiden karma
Nah that would be absolutely fucked
Quill rain can fire hundreds of arrows per second
And in 2 you can corrupt it to be even faster
distant dome
i really hope this is based on where the minion is
maiden karma
Minions aren't attacks
distant dome
this is a sample someone experienced for minions built, might be able to give yo...
oh, then this is build guide is garbo
ancient geyser
**Minions aren't attacks**
this works on minions pretty sure
olive tide
right.. that first line.. "Supports Attacks" implies it needs to be a casted/used ability
olive tide
meaning there is an if statement related to it right? like if its supported/supportable
restive harness
Most gems without tier information have been removed. This represents 174 support gems, of which only 127 are definitely available at the start of EA.
ancient geyser
says attack
i'm not sure how accurate that is when it comes to minions, minions do have attack skills
olive tide
unless trhere is a minion that has attack associated with it
ancient geyser
the skeletal brute does have attack skills
olive tide
well thats what i said earlier.. minions have some active skills.. i just dont think theyve been released with a description
or if you're able to support them
like the arsonist exploding things
maiden karma
Something like this will work on minions
ancient geyser
Something like this will work on minions
this will work on ALL dmg from minions, close combat works on minion attack skills
distant dome
If you use active block to fully mitigate damage, the incoming attack won't interupt energy shield regen right?
olive tide
yes but you cant block indefinitely right?
distant dome
sure
I'm thinking while my minions are dead on a witch, swapping to shield (I won't need scepeter, they're dead)
during a boss fight
when I need to think/breathe
Just to gurantee some Energy shield regen
pastel forge
cant you just sceptre+shield?
distant dome
(other than standing in fires, gotta avoid that still)
ancient geyser
you could also dodge roll but yes it shouldnt interrupt energy shield
olive tide
youll need es start rate too
distant dome
cant you just sceptre+shield?
can you main hand a shield?
distant dome
youll need es start rate too
yep
olive tide
cause its 4 seconds for es recharge to start
ancient geyser
the issue with blocking is that it might get blown up fast if you don't have good blocking stats
distant dome
https://discord.com/channels/174993814845521922/1312364755406688256 I kinda threw my ideas together here
pastel forge
oh scptres are main only?
distant dome
scepters I think are offhand only
olive tide
not sure how reliable itll be to wait for es to start regenerating while standing still blocking
ancient geyser
and idk if block value is based off block chance, armor, a combination of both or what
olive tide
id assume most bosses/rares will have a mechanic to damage through blocking
maiden karma
oh scptres are main only?
Either hand
ancient geyser
what i do expect is that bosses will melt your block fast
distant dome
yeah, but 1-2 hits blocked would be nice
just to get a couple seconds of energy shield
ancient geyser
until we know how block scales dodge rolling might be more effective i think
distant dome
Not all of us can consistantly dodge roll, either due to be old, or disabled
ancient geyser
because you don't wanna invest into pumping a situational defensive layer
olive tide
idk enough about minions to really help in that case.. do minions not revive in boss fights?
distant dome
so I very much do want other options for defensive layers
ancient geyser
idk enough about minions to really help in that case.. do minions not revive in ...
they do but 4 sec ish respawn
ancient geyser
Not all of us can consistantly dodge roll, either due to be old, or disabled
ok that's valid
distant dome
yeah, the idea is only to block 1-2 hits while waiting for distractions to respawn
I know bosses ignore minions a lot of the time
maiden karma
Skelly priests can revive other skellies faster
maiden karma
Just have 2 meatshield priests and panic run in circles until they revive the rest
olive tide
i feel like the last gasp support will be an offender in some exploit/bug
ancient geyser
skelly priests can also die and i expect you will have to use your defensive active cooldowns to avoid them from getting nuked
the priests in particular
distant dome
In the witch gameplay video they showed a boss regularly wiping all skellies
so
having a shield to make some breathing room
for e-sheild
could be nice
ancient geyser
also early game minions will be very different from late game minions
distant dome
for sure
ancient geyser
in terms of bulk
maiden karma
There's the unique shield which shares your block chance with your minions
maiden karma
And the keystone which gives your amulet to your minions
distant dome
could be great for stalling
for Energy shield
Make it easier to do 100% of all optional bosses
for casual players
or at least more optional bosses
olive tide
this seems useful
distant dome
Who could forget about the 🌭
random mason
Whenever I think of any cool mixed builds, I instantly think it’s just better to go with gemling because there are no gems attribute requirements
olive tide
i think the infernalist dog is actually one of the best asendancy nodes that have been revealed
maiden karma
Gemling is definitely made for weird hybrids
distant dome
I'm a little concerned that managing the fire overflow thing from 🌭 will get annoying
maiden karma
You don't need to
distant dome
Like, do we need to only cast certain spells at high fire
and min-max it annoyingly
regal zenith
Whenever I think of any cool mixed builds, I instantly think it’s just better to...
It looks much easier to deal with attribute requirements in PoE 2 since you control what stat to pick on tree
random mason
The dog might be weak tho, how does the dog’s hp scale is a good question. But in general it’s gonna op especially with how strong ES seems to be
maiden karma
You don't need to take those nodes
olive tide
i dont think taking those witch nodes with the infernal flame will be good to use.. at the start anyways, i dont see how youll keep yourself alive
random mason
Dog+es+extra defenses when ES is topped off.
distant dome
**You don't need to take those nodes**
oh, the fire thing isn't part of the 🌭 base ascendency? it's a subset of it?
maiden karma
random mason
Bleed seems super sleeper, so i might switch to poison
maiden karma
The dog is separate
pastel forge
8pt
distant dome
k
maiden karma
You get 8 points so 4 big nodes
random mason
Dog and demonic form are always good
maiden karma
Demon sounds pointless for minions
regal zenith
Is there any info, Dogs is auto revive them self as skeletons?
distant dome
Can. you. pet. that. Dawwwggggg
olive tide
i think the demon form is such a bait.. after like 3 seconds you degen so hard
random mason
Demon sounds pointless for minions
I think they talked about it and it was supposed to work with minions, but it was bugged or something
maiden karma
What would it even do for them
random mason
I think in the trailer or whenever we saw it, the minions got desummoned.
pastel forge
its a fire caster buff more than anything
random mason
Doesnt demon form just lower ur defenses and buff ur attacks?
olive tide
did they say how much spirit the dog eats up?
olive tide
pretty sure demon form starts to degen you progressively based on how long youre in it
that makes dog so much better.. free 20% mitigation
random mason
Spirit is probably the strongest stat, if u can get it. U can stack a lot of on proc effects
olive tide
unless it dies over and over
random mason
I dislike that these on crit, on ignite are now connected to spirit
olive tide
i think, in poe2, cast on gems are more valuable then ppl think
daring jay
imma post this here incase you guys wanna use it too
olive tide
considering they added a dodge roll into the game for mechanics, casting a spell or attack based on something you dont have to stop or slow down to do will be so nice
daring jay
imma try this combo
random mason
I know u can only have 1 of support gems, but what about skill gems? Can I have multiple of the same?
distant dome
Good chance I have at least one spammable skill with this on it:
random mason
Good chance I have at least one spammable skill with this on it:
Ranger is gonna go insane with this one
It will be like 80% less i think no?
distant dome
maybe with this lol
daring jay
Good chance I have at least one spammable skill with this on it:
shield charge maybe?
olive tide
I know u can only have 1 of support gems, but what about skill gems? Can I have ...
this is what i was thinking about, but couldnt find definitive info
daring jay
I know u can only have 1 of support gems, but what about skill gems? Can I have ...
i dont think you can no
but there is a chance
random mason
this is what i was thinking about, but couldnt find definitive info
The thing is I think one of the last nodes, seems to MAYBE remove all penalties of movement
olive tide
i think you can only cut a gem for a skill one time
olive tide
wouldnt make sense for you to be able to fill your bars up with one skill, idk
random mason
I want hammer of gods on ignite, on crit, on bleed, on freeze 🥲
distant dome
don't you create a skill gem with a specific specter
daring jay
I want hammer of gods on ignite, on crit, on bleed, on freeze 🥲
xDDDD
daring jay
yeah no shot you can do that
olive tide
i think if youre able to have multiple active skills theyll share a cd, if they have one
atleast id hope, otherwise yeah.. all hammers all day
daring jay
atleast id hope, otherwise yeah.. all hammers all day
yup
im missing 2 abilities and i might aswell take 2 hammers if we can do that
distant dome
atleast id hope, otherwise yeah.. all hammers all day
random mason
What’s the use of cast on X if it has the same cd as usin it normally
distant dome
So if I want a skill to trigger another skill
olive tide
not the cast on
distant dome
can I support that other skill
maiden karma
Oh
olive tide
but the ability youre using cast on for
distant dome
like how does that work
random mason
i mean like why would I use cast hammer of gods on bleed when I can just press the cast hammer of gods myself
olive tide
thought about herbalism, but pathfinder seems kinda meh if ur not doing poison
maiden karma
Pathfinder will be straight up immune to anything that isn't a full 1shot
random mason
Flasks look so dogshit
distant dome
Like how does this work
olive tide
i mean like why would I use cast hammer of gods on bleed when I can just press t...
cause it automates it, and you dont have to think about 2 things.. more attention to move out of the fire
maiden karma
thought about herbalism, but pathfinder seems kinda meh if ur not doing poison
You can play around any of the funny flask skills
olive tide
Like how does this work
when something gets ignited, you cast whatever spell is linked to the cast on ignite gem automatically
maiden karma
Yes
maiden karma
You can put skills inside meta skills
distant dome
and the otehr 4 could be skills
random mason
cause it automates it, and you dont have to think about 2 things.. more attentio...
See there are some uses, the cd seems less if I am not dumb
distant dome
and will those cast triggered skills benefit from support gems
random mason
and the otehr 4 could be skills
Yeah but I think it’s better to have 1 skill and the rest be support skills
maiden karma
You can instantly cast 5 spells on ignite with it
olive tide
it has a maximum energy it builds up tho, so it takes longer based on cast time of spells.. or something like that
distant dome
You can instantly cast 5 spells on ignite with it
do you create a "Cast on ignite skill" with 5 supported skills, then place it inside another skill?
maiden karma
Yeah but I think it’s better to have 1 skill and the rest be support skills
I dunno, damage supports look rather weak and vast majority are conditional
olive tide
i think its best to use cast on X then link a skill.. then support the skill with support gems
maiden karma
do you create a "Cast on ignite skill" with 5 supported skills, then place it in...
You get a cast on ignite spirit reserve which will trigger when anything else ignites
olive tide
otherwise its not that reliable
random mason
Maybe you can add like chance to freeze so u have like 3 other 6 gems that synergies’ together and trigger each other.
daring jay
how much spirit do you think we will get? i know we will get 180 spirit from campaign bosses
distant dome
it's it's own thing
olive tide
i have a feeling that in EA we will have way more spirit then we will at full release
maiden karma
Maybe you can add like chance to freeze so u have like 3 other 6 gems that syner...
Triggers can't generate energy so no
random mason
Like how does this work
Seems like it halfs the CD if I am reading that correctly
daring jay
spirit is busted 100%
random mason
Triggers can't generate energy so no
Why not, if a trigger skill ignites what’s the problem?
olive tide
the cast happens when the energy meets the threshold and the triggered spells from the gem dont generate energy
random mason
Oh ok, guess it has some issues
Cast time is not the same as CD? Right? So it should have no cd
distant dome
so this is kinda crazy since it only requires 30 spirit res
and it has minion/buff tags
maiden karma
You can however run a ball lightning which can generate energy for cast on shock, cast on crit and elemental incantation
Technically also cast on ignite if you go infernalist
But you will actually just kill yourself when everything triggers
olive tide
and eat up all your spirit
random mason
so this is kinda crazy since it only requires 30 spirit res
and it has minion/bu...
I think there is a key stone that has an insane buff but increases reservation, so this will help pretty good
olive tide
the cast on minion death is a weird one for me.. like what spell do you want to put into that? and how do you know what itll target when cast
random mason
the cast on minion death is a weird one for me.. like what spell do you want to ...
dd
distant dome
actually
I thought all skills had to match the tags but
If i'm supporting "cast on ignite"
maiden karma
You put firestorm in there to have raging spirits respawn new ones when they die
distant dome
then I can put skills with the "cold tag"
even though the "cast on ignite" doesn't have the "cold" tag
random mason
so this is kinda crazy since it only requires 30 spirit res
and it has minion/bu...
This has potential to have a fully automated DD
olive tide
hmm firestorm will spawn srs that way? interesting
drifting cliff
Boneoffering>Comd
Skeleton>lastgasp? ?
olive tide
This has potential to have a fully automated DD
would be good for mapping but most bosses prolly wont spawn enough corpses
daring jay
2x tempest bells xD
olive tide
2 bells, half duration
daring jay
yeah but they break on 12 hits anyways so if you hit them fast enough the downside dont matter
drifting cliff
Cast on bell?
olive tide
im not too caught up on all the minion things, i really like poison srs in poe 1.. hopefully its still a thing
random mason
Warrior seems like such a sleeper class for some reason.
olive tide
too much cowbell on that one
random mason
All other classes have some cool stuff, but warrior is just so normal.
drifting cliff
I just want to have a firey succubus that shoots fart arrow with hellhound pet that blows it up automagically
maiden karma
2x tempest bells xD
HELLS BELLS
random mason
Mages might even be tankier than warriors
drifting cliff
And maybe unearth with contagion for infested crabs
olive tide
i think warrior ignite/bleed builds will dominate bossing tbh.. so much damage on the hammer
drifting cliff
Il dominate the atlas with my flaming farts and crabs
maiden karma
i think warrior ignite/bleed builds will dominate bossing tbh.. so much damage o...
Hammer is made for chronomancer
random mason
45cd and there seems to be a lot of cdr
distant dome
"Cast on minion death" combined with all 3 offerings would be hilarious, visually
olive tide
Hammer is made for chronomancer
ik which is why my hammer build will use chronomancer XD
random mason
Imagine the bleed crit on that thing
drifting cliff
Does stop time pause DOT?
maiden karma
Don't believe so
daring jay
"Cast on minion death" combined with all 3 offerings would be hilarious, visuall...
This works with all "attacks" but only works on rare or unique
olive tide
i dont think u go chronoamncer for stopping time
maiden karma
Stop enemies inside hammer zone and refresh it
olive tide
well mobs that arent rare or unique will basically just fall over anyway
random mason
What’s the cd on pause and revert time?
ancient geyser
i just hope infernalist infernal flame has same value as mana and works with MoM
🙏
olive tide
no way
maiden karma
It won't work
olive tide
what u want to do is reduce cost of your skills i think
so you dont blow urself up every 3 seconds
ancient geyser
nah i just wanted to permanently sustain demon form with MoM and run archmage build on it
random mason
I think there was a keystone that allowed for minions to take the stats from ur amulet
maiden karma
what u want to do is reduce cost of your skills i think
Cowards will manage their flame gain to avoid damage
olive tide
you could run archmage and add 0% lightning damage
random mason
That has some broken potential
olive tide
Cowards will manage their flame gain to avoid damage
cloak of flame and max fire res, cross ur fingers
ancient geyser
you could run archmage and add 0% lightning damage
what do you mean?
daring jay
Can you only cast spells with magic weapons? They dont actually say "staff" as requirement
olive tide
what do you mean?
it was a joke, like u could use archamge it just wont do anyting useful
ancient geyser
Can you only cast spells with magic weapons? They dont actually say "staff" as r...
you don't need any weapon to cast spells
restive harness
This works with all "attacks" but only works on rare or unique
wrong require
ancient geyser
it was a joke, like u could use archamge it just wont do anyting useful
well if infernal flame values are the same as mana, they would do
olive tide
it converts all mana right?
olive tide
so i dont think ur "spending mana"
ancient geyser
in terms of value
daring jay
wrong require
oh thats weird xD
olive tide
maybe, i just dont think that would make sense.. could be cool tho
distant dome
This seems like a potentially interesting skill. Free HP
ancient geyser
i don't expect it to work either
olive tide
free hp, half the defense
maiden karma
This seems like a potentially interesting skill. Free HP
That's from a witch hunter node which also has 50% less armour and evasion
distant dome
That's from a witch hunter node which also has 50% less armour and evasion
makes sense
seemed too op to be a general skill
olive tide
wanted to link my deadeye build i threw together but the url would fill this page up 3 times over.. not paying to be able to shorten it
drifting cliff
i just hope infernalist infernal flame has same value as mana and works with MoM
to me it seemed to me like resets to 0 on topping of, putting damage on you
ancient geyser
wanted to link my deadeye build i threw together but the url would fill this pag...
there are free url shorteners out there
drifting cliff
I ain't clicking any tinyurl
sterile stone
flame wall summon 5 SRS
ancient geyser
to me it seemed to me like resets to 0 on topping of, putting damage on you
yeah but it will most likely not count as actual mana in terms of mechanics, otherwise you would permanently sustain through MoM and have infinite resources because by spending you generate mana and instead of overheating you'd let demon form's dmg take the infernal flame value down for example
drifting cliff
What the hell am i looking at
olive tide
some bs deadeye stuff i threw together.. but not sure what to do with the rain of arrow supports tbh
drifting cliff
Oh ok it's not the image
olive tide
and not sure how much bleed chance we will get in the tree, or dot multi
daring jay
Busted? Doesnt cost mana or spirit and it simply just tank some of the elemental dmg you would take
ancient geyser
is there any mana stacker specialist here? if you wanted to scale dmg on say, a ball lightning build, would you pump high dmg support gems on ball lightning or archmage? you'd put them on archmage right?
olive tide
Busted? Doesnt cost mana or spirit and it simply just tank some of the elemental...
thats the node from withchunter.. it also reduces your armor and evasion rating by 50%
daring jay
dude i hate being baited by ascendancy nodes xDD
olive tide
not sure about archamage in poe 2.. i think u want to add damage to the ability ur using
pastel forge
can you even scale archmage with supports besides lightning mastery? lol
ancient geyser
not sure about archamage in poe 2.. i think u want to add damage to the ability ...
the thing is in poe2 you can actually scale archmage dmg
maiden karma
is there any mana stacker specialist here? if you wanted to scale dmg on say, a ...
Archmage is a spirit reserve in 2 instead of a support for the skill, and putting supports on it won't do anything
ancient geyser
oh okay
sterile stone
yeah thats an ascendancy kekw
ancient geyser
i thought you could actually scale the effects of spirit reserve skills
pastel forge
the only supports i can see for archmage does nothing for the buff itself
ancient geyser
like if you put lightning pen on archmage, the dmg archmage applies will have that lightning pen no?
pastel forge
besides lightning mastery
olive tide
u can add other buffs to it, like vitality
pastel forge
yea clarity/vitality etc for minor buffs but they also increase the reseravation costs iirc
so might not be worth it
olive tide
yeah they add reservation costs, was just throwing it out there
ancient geyser
so potentially just clarity and lightning mastery?
and nothing else
and lightning mastery assuming you can even overcome the spirit cost
olive tide
id add cannabalism maybe
maiden karma
Mastery doesn't seem to add any extra cost
olive tide
well lightning mastery is one of those skill gems ull get way later
pastel forge
we dont know whether the final versions of these supports increase reservation cost
have to wait for datamine
ancient geyser
pastel forge
if they dont then just stick it on archmage for free buffs
ancient geyser
will probably have to go bloodmage to make this cook work, demon mommy will have to wait
olive tide
really need to see what +1 level for archamge is doing
ancient geyser
really need to see what +1 level for archamge is doing
more dmg probably
olive tide
could spike reservation for not much upside
ancient geyser
we can still lvl up regular skill gems right?
pastel forge
also not sure what lightning conduit even does
ancient geyser
from xp i mean
pastel forge
no damage listed
olive tide
i think skills from weapons are static.. meaning ud need to find a weapon with a higher lvl
pastel forge
seems like a good candidate for hourglass but hard to tell
ancient geyser
i think skills from weapons are static.. meaning ud need to find a weapon with a...
got it
olive tide
unless quality affects them too? idk
daring jay
This having the "bow" tag is weird. What can you do with that tag? xD
olive tide
weapon swap from a staff thats freezing and then pop them with ice shot and herald of ice?
not sure tbh, unless theres skills for bows that can actually freeze
ancient geyser
not sure tbh, unless theres skills for bows that can actually freeze
escape shot
olive tide
i dont think u want to be spamming escape shot XD
daring jay
was more thinking this, but that could also work
olive tide
i have escape shot in my build cause there wasnt much else to use and it seems like a decent skill to use if they close in on you
well u need a quarterstaff for that
so ud weapon swap anyway
pastel forge
daring jay
well u need a quarterstaff for that
flicker uses quarterstaff :D
pastel forge
not much else i can do based on current info
daring jay
and you can apparently use spells with any weapon so dont have to switch at all
ancient geyser
https://poe2skills.com/share?data=N4IgdghgtgpiBcICCAnAxgCwLQCEA2A9gQCZQQDmcANCAE...
wild shards over slower projectiles on ball lightning?
olive tide
flicker uses quarterstaff :D
well i thought we were talking with regards to bows XD
daring jay
well i thought we were talking with regards to bows XD
xDDDD
my bad on that one hahaha
pastel forge
im hoping arcane surge is worth the slot, if not im replacing it with manaflare or something else
daring jay
honestly i have no idea why herald of ice has anything to do with bows
ancient geyser
im hoping arcane surge is worth the slot, if not im replacing it with manaflare ...
id swap arcane surge for lifetap in the bloodmage version
but the rest of the core is pretty much what i thought of
pastel forge
wild shards over slower projectiles on ball lightning?
i mean have you seen the showcase with wildshards? dont think slower projectile is worth the slot personally
ancient geyser
i mean have you seen the showcase with wildshards? dont think slower projectile ...
yeah it seemed good but it's only a 20% so idk
olive tide
https://poe2skills.com/share?data=N4IgdghgtgpiBcICCAnAxgCwLQCEA2A9gQCZQQDmcANCAE...
inevitable crit? that won't do very much right since ull be spamming this.. or am i high
ancient geyser
inevitable crit? that won't do very much right since ull be spamming this.. or a...
ball lightning persists as a projectile
and starts ticking
so even if you're spamming it, the projectile will get buffed crit
pastel forge
it provides some consistency in crits
unless you are able to get a lot of crit on passive tree without too much sacrifice
pastel forge
id swap arcane surge for lifetap in the bloodmage version
true
olive tide
i just see it as ull be spamming the crap out of it so it wont actually build up the crit stacks
unless ur actively waiting the 1 sec between casts
olive tide
yeah.. if anything just throw added lightning damage in it
pastel forge
added lightning is for attacks only
ancient geyser
@pastel forge this HAS to work right...
olive tide
it does but it isnt as good as ppl think
when es gets converted it doesnt remember its initial value. so youll basically just be adding ur flat es to mana
ancient geyser
when es gets converted it doesnt remember its initial value. so youll basically ...
that's still fine
it's free dmg and EHP
olive tide
i mean yeh for sure
pastel forge
if you are using mom, your life would actually need to recharge? lol
ancient geyser
you're just turbo mana stacking and not caring about your actual mana sustain because you're paying with hp on ball lightning
ancient geyser
if you are using mom, your life would actually need to recharge? lol
yes but you have leech and energy shield recovery
olive tide
and u wont be able to use ur life flask right?
ancient geyser
and u wont be able to use ur life flask right?
you shouldn't care about that
theoretically
olive tide
maybe, i just feel like ggg taking away the slots for one single life flask means they thought about it and said damn ur gonna need this thing XD
ancient geyser
there's good sources for ES recharge on the tree plus the added leech from bloodmage and the ridiculous dmg you should be pumping
pastel forge
also one issue with crimson power
if you take that and gore spike, you can't take the life leech 10% spells
ancient geyser
crimson power is also not the engine of the build, same with eldritch battery
you'd only pick those if they actually turn out to be good
ancient geyser
eternal youth + MoM is what enables the build in its entirety (and lifetap ofc)
daring jay
harald of ice is not decided at all
olive tide
the thing from mark is from 6 yrs ago idk if id die on that hill
pastel forge
as i see it, gore spikes and vitality siphon are crucial for bloodmage caster, so that only leaves you with 2 points left
good news is the node behind gore spikes is not revealed yet, so that might be another good boost
assuming that line of nodes deals with crits
olive tide
and wait if ur not getting a ton of life then the gore spike wont get a lot of value?
ancient geyser
as i see it, gore spikes and vitality siphon are crucial for bloodmage caster, s...
yeah and this is fine, crimson power might be better than gore spike early or not necessarily, in the endgame you're running siphon + gore spike for sure though
ancient geyser
and wait if ur not getting a ton of life then the gore spike wont get a lot of v...
you will be stacking mana and hp on gear
proven quest
https://poe2skills.com/share?data=N4IgdghgtgpiBcIByMDuACAQgVwJYBsATdAVhABoQAjPIh...
I might have missed the spender, but what are you using frenzy charges for?
ancient geyser
there's barely any hp in the tree
that's why the build actually seems to be good
because you can focus your tree on mana, ES and dmg
pastel forge
you have breech rings for up to 170 hp each as well
olive tide
well i guess the bloodmage gets to overcap its life with the globes too
pastel forge
yea
ancient geyser
and that too ye
pastel forge
tho that matters less once you get into a long boss fight
daring jay
I might have missed the spender, but what are you using frenzy charges for?
using frenzy charges with this to gain power charges for flicker strike
pastel forge
since you wont get any more globes without adds to kill
olive tide
just seems like youll be fighting to stay alive.. after casting a shit ton of spells and taking damage from mobs/dots
ancient geyser
tho that matters less once you get into a long boss fight
unless those can drop from minions somehow
pastel forge
nah doubt
ancient geyser
yeah it'd be too busted
pastel forge
but we'll see
olive tide
really depends on how effective mana recharge will be
ancient geyser
if i can sac minions and proc it 💀
pastel forge
also
olive tide
lmao damn u doing errything
pastel forge
life tap has one tiny issue
ancient geyser
but i don't mind sanguimancy's downside, it's basically letting me enable a mana stacker without caring to circumvent the mana regen part
ancient geyser
you kinda want to spend mana for things like mana tempest
lifetap goes on ball lightning, you could use other stuff as mana spenders for those mechanics in particular
pastel forge
unless you abandon staff and go scepter+wand or something
tho that could be interesting as well
ancient geyser
the build is basically 1 button at this point
ball lightning and ball lightning only
there's a lot of room to adjust
pastel forge
there's a support that deletes a minion for more dmg on the skill you cast
so that could be funny lol
ancient geyser
yeah i'm only worried about the spirit reservation aspect
if you start throwing minions in
pastel forge
yeah i'm only worried about the spirit reservation aspect
yea that's why it'd have to be wand+sceptre
so no power sigil
ancient geyser
which still has potential, power sigil might not be the best idea in some hard boss fights
pastel forge
you use minions just as a body to cast your ball lightnings
ancient geyser
some kind of SRS loop with ball lightning?
pastel forge
so get the cheapest one
daring jay
i really want cast on freeze or cast on crit in my build but jesus there is 9 million good things to spend spirit on haha
pastel forge
if sceptres can also get spell related passives and not just minion ones
i could definitely go sceptre/wand mage over staff
olive tide
i have a feeling the mom builds are a bait.. hopefully not cause i loved ice nova of frostbolts but just seems too strong
ancient geyser
with cast speed and mana you'd be chilling no?
pastel forge
with cast speed and mana you'd be chilling no?
there's the +5 gem passives as well
ancient geyser
i have a feeling the mom builds are a bait.. hopefully not cause i loved ice nov...
nah MoM seems insane, since hp stacking on tree is gone and mana stacking seems still easy i'm pretty sure they'll be super strong once you figure out the mana regen
pastel forge
that we saw on the staff
maiden karma
if sceptres can also get spell related passives and not just minion ones
Jonathan confirmed that pure caster sceptres are a thing, but he wasn't sure if that was ready for launch or coming later with templar
distant dome
Do "cast on" triggers, still cost mana when the skill is cast
maiden karma
Yes
pastel forge
Jonathan confirmed that pure caster sceptres are a thing, but he wasn't sure if ...
what does that mean tho, scepters that dont give spirit? or does he mean scepters that still give spirit but are tuned towards caster passives?
olive tide
dots will be a problem.. you can solve some of them with charms but it seems like there are mechanics that are not ailments that will hurt
burning ground will suck
ancient geyser
what does that mean tho, scepters that dont give spirit? or does he mean scepter...
sceptres that give spirit and have caster stats, as opposed to buffing ally stats
pastel forge
ah
maiden karma
what does that mean tho, scepters that dont give spirit? or does he mean scepter...
Still gives spirit, just doesn't roll minion modifiers
pastel forge
that sounds perfect then
pastel forge
caster scepter with a wand dual wield with a minion pact supported ball lightning
tho
it requires the minions to have more life than your own
so maybe not so viable on bloodmage
ancient geyser
it requires the minions to have more life than your own
how so?
pastel forge
olive tide
does the minion have to be able to sustain the damage?
ancient geyser
oh shit
olive tide
i thought it would just kill it
ancient geyser
you're right
ancient geyser
does the minion have to be able to sustain the damage?
yes, it says so on the yellow tooltip
pastel forge
so if you stack a good amount of hp and the cheap minions barely have any, it wont work i think
ancient geyser
"only takes effecti f you have a minion with enough life to drain the full amount"
olive tide
yikes
maiden karma
CI
ancient geyser
you don't go CI bloodmage
ancient geyser
the whole idea is that you're spending life instead of mana
olive tide
you do now
ancient geyser
and mana is your new hp bar
life becomes your mana bar, mana is your hp bar
and you recharge life like crazy from leech + ES recovery from eternal youth
pastel forge
bloodmage must spend life on all their attacking/casting abilities
so ci is auto suicide
olive tide
but if ur damaging yourself does it not take away from bloodmage crit damage? damn im so confused on whats going on now
ancient geyser
but if ur damaging yourself does it not take away from bloodmage crit damage? da...
it only takes into account your max hp value not your current hp
besides your hp will tick down but will insta regen up
you still want to have a high hp pool to scale gore spike anyway
olive tide
but it recharges like es tho?
ancient geyser
but it recharges like es tho?
yes, plus it will have leech
pastel forge
vitality siphon gives 10% spell dmg as life leech
olive tide
and is it based on max hp?
pastel forge
and you can get some instant leech passives
ancient geyser
and is it based on max hp?
what do you mean?
pastel forge
or even vaal pact for full instant leech
olive tide
it says per 20 life, is that overall or current?
ancient geyser
overall
olive tide
guess it doesnt matter if u recharge it instantly
leech will get rough later on tho
when mobs have high leech res
pastel forge
i think it should be current, otherwise the life remnants overcapping hp would be pointless
ancient geyser
sure, but you have leech AND ES recovery applied to life
ancient geyser
i think it should be current, otherwise the life remnants overcapping hp would b...
no, because the life remnants overcapping your hp will give you a higher overall hp value no?
olive tide
es takes like min 2 sec to recharge tho even if u spec into the nodes
pastel forge
yea i guess its still life
ancient geyser
es takes like min 2 sec to recharge tho even if u spec into the nodes
but it will be constantly recharging because you're not taking damage from a damage source
you're taking damage from a non damage source
pastel forge
tho if you go mom, then that extra life would do nothing besides being part of your casting costs
ancient geyser
olive tide
but ur life doesnt act like es wuen converted right?
olive tide
only the recharge rate
ancient geyser
but ur life doesnt act like es wuen converted right?
it does
well
your hp recovery does
pastel forge
we dont know what eb is for poe2 anyway, the one in the youtube videos is confirmed outdated
ancient geyser
the EB part of that tooltip doesn't matter, only the ending
ES recovery only stops applying if you take dmg from a damage source, so if you're using ES as a resource and spending it, you're not taking damage
olive tide
i just remember playing archamge in poe 1.. dots and burning ground were too much.. and in poe2 we wont have 5 guaranteed sources of removing all these ailements
ancient geyser
and eternal youth makes your life regen work the way ES recovery does
ancient geyser
i just remember playing archamge in poe 1.. dots and burning ground were too muc...
first time i "cleared" the game in poe1 was playing MoM archmage ball lightning scion it was pretty fine
you were just flasking your way through
pastel forge
eternal youth + mom would mean your life should always stay relatively full i guess
olive tide
but you also had flasks to remove bleed, poison, ignites right?
ancient geyser
but you also had flasks to remove bleed, poison, ignites right?
ye
but we will have that in the form of trinkets
olive tide
also freezes, shocks
ancient geyser
besides this archmage variant is not like the typical archmage you played
ancient geyser
this archmage will be using mana as a damage scaling tool and actual HP pool, you will be casting your spells with life
olive tide
it doesnt seem like in poe2 we will have as many options to remove ailemts like in poe 1
pastel forge
since your life wont be touched until you are near death lol
olive tide
we get 3 charms and whatever items give us
pastel forge
so bleed cant trigger
ancient geyser
the thing is typical archmage builds get fucked by those things because your mana starts draining and you can't cast spells
this variant will be able to cast spells even if you have no mana
mana is just a defensive layer here
olive tide
then wait how is archamge triggering if mana isnt being used? or am i missing something
ancient geyser
then wait how is archamge triggering if mana isnt being used? or am i missing so...
lifetap
you will be paying with life
olive tide
oh nvm its not based on how much mana you spend
ancient geyser
all your mana cost on ball lightning will be converted to life
you will probably want to run some mana spender to trigger mana flare and power sigil on burst windows though
but you will have to be careful using those because mana is your actual hp bar
pastel forge
eternal youth, vitality siphon, vaal pact, mom i guess? with lifetap on ball lightning
ancient geyser
eternal youth, vitality siphon, vaal pact, mom i guess? with lifetap on ball lig...
🤝
pastel forge
all we have left is
what EB will actually do
in poe2
cause the one we saw is outdated
ancient geyser
EB is just a nice addition for the build but shouldn't be all that big of a deal whether it's busted or not
olive tide
really it all depends on how leech resistance scales and how es recharge rate is affected by damage right?
ancient geyser
@pastel forge also the cast on crit combo from your planner will actually spend mana no?
pastel forge
not sure, since meta gems reserve spirit?
ancient geyser
someone said that cast on X condition still applies mana costs from skills
pastel forge
in that cast that should work yea
ancient geyser
which could be problematic cause the build wont be stacking mana regen
maiden karma
Triggers were changed to spend their cost relatively recently in 1 so it would be a bit weird if they didn't cost anything in 2
pastel forge
we'll have to manage the costs for cast on crit then
olive tide
mana flask
pastel forge
arc is the main one to care about in any case
ancient geyser
not sure we'll have perma mana flask uptime without crazy gear
pastel forge
the others i threw in is just to fill slots
olive tide
wasnt there a flask modifier that guarantees charges being added every so often
but yeah pressing it will be annoying too
well remembering to press it
pastel forge
you get 1 use every 40 seconds or something
ancient geyser
wasnt there a flask modifier that guarantees charges being added every so often
yes but thats not nearly enough for perma uptime
pastel forge
so if you drain too fast it wont work well
ancient geyser
pathfinder can probably easily solve flask uptime
without heavy investment
rest of classes not so sure
olive tide
ye and cost of ball lightning
pastel forge
assuming life tap converts the entire mana cost to life yea
olive tide
do i have the wrong thing pulled up? i didnt see lifetap on his ball lightning
ancient geyser
unless there is some crazy unique that gives lifetap support to all ur spells
pastel forge
i didnt put it in when i posted
olive tide
ah
olive tide
ill be doing zdps with bow skills so i wont worry about mana costs in that way XD
ancient geyser
also scale with gem multipliers? lol
no idea
pastel forge
it says gain a base life cost, i guess it does
so if lifetap converts mana cost entirely to life
that's 72 base life cost on ball lightning without counting multipliers
ancient geyser
lets say youre spending 500 hp per ball lightning cast
olive tide
if ur a bloodmage dont your spells get an inherit conversion to life?
ancient geyser
pretty sure thats manageable
maiden karma
Bloodmage adds a life cost equal to mana cost
olive tide
"Skills gain a Base Life Cost equal to Base Mana Cost"
pastel forge
36 base mana at lvl 11, 36 base life with bloodmage passive
lifetap converting it to 72 base life
x1.5 from echo
x1.2 from wild shards
total = 129.6 life cost per cast?
maiden karma
Lifetap and blood magic will instead make it a double life cost
ancient geyser
36 base mana at lvl 11, 36 base life with bloodmage passive
lifetap converting i...
add archmage cost
you could be looking at way higher value of hp loss per cast but im fairly sure its perfectly manageable and sustained
olive tide
and thats just for the ball lightning, when u crit with it it triggers the other shit too ouch
pastel forge
sounds like that's where vaal pact + vitality siphon comes in
on top of eternal youth
distant dome
can a support gem like this only support skills that already have the "fire" tag? or does it add the fire tag to an existing skill
ancient geyser
and thats just for the ball lightning, when u crit with it it triggers the other...
the other shit only needs arc until lategame once the build is gigablasting and you have everything under control
but im sure it should statpad like crazy
olive tide
so, just spit balling, the lifetap and bloodmage conversion won't stack? like blood and sunder was mentioning
pastel forge
well cast on crit with just arc + chain would be without life tap
ancient geyser
well cast on crit with just arc + chain would be without life tap
yeah but you will have SOME mana regen
pastel forge
35 mana + life for cast on crit arc
ancient geyser
its not like you wanna be running out of mana
olive tide
if ur a bloodmage ur spells get a life cost equal to mana cost
pastel forge
tho one bad thing is vaalpact disable life flash for eternal youth
olive tide
so triggering them would still cost life too right
pastel forge
yea we counted that in
olive tide
ah ok
ancient geyser
yes
but hp sustain is really not a problem with this build
its the mana part
when you add a lot of cast on crits
which should be fixed with gear in the end
olive tide
so all upside once u sort out the mana recovery?
ancient geyser
so all upside once u sort out the mana recovery?
unless you facetank some boss mechanic that blasts your mana pool
random mason
u guys think bleed is worth playing? seems weak compared to other damage types
ancient geyser
but you can always toggle archmage on and off
lean oasis
Question; Can Toxic Growth trigger itself? Whether through Chance to poison or starting a chain with poison arrow and then constantly spamming toxic growth so that each new one is poisoned by the last?
maiden karma
We know nothing about bleed
olive tide
i just dont know how youll manage the ailments.. either you block bleeds, ignites poisons and still get frozen or big shocks.. cause we only seemingly have 3 charm slots correct?
random mason
We know nothing about bleed
that's the point we have seen so much and barely anything about bleed exist
olive tide
and flasks wont be able to roll with ailemnt immunity
ancient geyser
i just dont know how youll manage the ailments.. either you block bleeds, ignite...
all builds will have to deal with this too, but unlike regular archmage builds our main spender is hp instead of mana, so even if we are low on mana you can still clear with ball lightning
olive tide
well isnt it confirmed that bleeds are now based on the intial hit? i think theyll be big
right, but when ur low on mana ur almost dead
severe vessel
Anyone know how minion movement (when you want them to move to a specific place) will work on controller? (Witch)
olive tide
or unable to cast too much
random mason
well isnt it confirmed that bleeds are now based on the intial hit? i think they...
what's the difference from poe1?
ancient geyser
right, but when ur low on mana ur almost dead
you still have your hp bar and ES and your leech
pastel forge
isnt bleed only possible when it affects hp directly?
ancient geyser
the EHP of this build should be pretty high
pastel forge
so with mom you'll likely never get bled until you are near dead aka all mana is depleted
ancient geyser
like even if you spend 300 hp per ball lightning or whatever it costs you insta regen it back up
and mana flasks should have more charges than hp flasks
don't quote me on it though
pastel forge
with the set up we have currently, each cast of ball lightning should not exceed 200 at max lvl i think
ancient geyser
with the set up we have currently, each cast of ball lightning should not exceed...
including archmage and blood pact?
ancient geyser
5k mana seems good ye
olive tide
so wait.. bleeds wont affect u even if the damage is taken from mana instead of es? jesus
ancient geyser
so wait.. bleeds wont affect u even if the damage is taken from mana instead of ...
yeah, another strong point for MoM builds
pastel forge
with lvl 11 ball lightning, that's 130~ hp+ 268~ from archmage = 398~ life per cast
ancient geyser
yea and lategame i'm assuming 500 life per cast
maybe a bit more
still not a problem, even if we don't know actual dmg numbers the ES recharge + leech + insta leech alone should sustain it easily
proven quest
So is all of this assuming that archmage will cost life when you cast ball lightning? Or are you accounting for archmage costing mana?
ancient geyser
So is all of this assuming that archmage will cost life when you cast ball light...
lifetap support on ball lightning
tooltip says it's 100% of mana cost converted to life
but we also don't know if lifetap will be 100% of the mana cost, as long as it's about 70% mana cost to life the build should be online
proven quest
That part makes sense, but we’re assuming that the archmage cost will also be life because of that?
ancient geyser
That part makes sense, but we’re assuming that the archmage cost will also be li...
it should work that way yes
if it doesn't, not a problem, you will need some more mana regen in the build
you're a mana stacker after all
olive tide
have to see how much mana we are able to stack too, especially early on
distant dome
Soo.. would this be a way to get tons of mana. Have a spell with 5 fire projectiles, creat 5 raging spirits, get 250 mana back in 1.4 seconds?
I'm guessing "limit" wouldn't allow for 6 raging spirits from a 6 projectile spell cast, but it would increase the max Raging spirits to 11... which shouldn't matter too much
The real reason for the Increase limit/less duration is to try and shorten raging spirits duration, so we don't get stuck at 10, waiting for them to die
olive tide
but yeah it seems to good to be true XD
ancient geyser
Soo.. would this be a way to get tons of mana. Have a spell with 5 fire projecti...
seems pretty good in paper ye
MoM minions stonks
olive tide
throw infernal legion in there too
maiden karma
Soo.. would this be a way to get tons of mana. Have a spell with 5 fire projecti...
Pretty sure that minions which expire from duration don't count as dying
distant dome
Pretty sure that minions which expire from duration don't count as dying
that would suck
ancient geyser
have to see how much mana we are able to stack too, especially early on
int gives mana, mana can roll on all pieces of gear (or almost all), the tree has a lot of mana stuff in it (unlike hp, we barely have anything for hp), mana stacking should reaaaaaaally not be that difficult, the main problem for most people will be mana regen
proven quest
Soo.. would this be a way to get tons of mana. Have a spell with 5 fire projecti...
I have a similar idea to this with the infernalist and instead of reducing duration, I’m killing them in a multitude of ways and have minion instability. Then MoM for defense
maiden karma
You could give them infernal legion and make them as squishy as possible
proper pagoda
Pretty sure that minions which expire from duration don't count as dying
they do in poe1 but maybe not poe2
olive tide
EVERYTHING is a maybe at this point for poe2 😄
archamge firewall, infernal legion srs
ancient geyser
even more costs
thorny path
Another future victim of leech resist
distant dome
int gives mana, mana can roll on all pieces of gear (or almost all), the tree ha...
Yeah, so if raging spirits mana tech works
then...
all teh mana regen
ancient geyser
Another future victim of leech resist
leech is really not that big of a deal for what we cooked here
olive tide
Yeah, so if raging spirits mana tech works
well u have to factor in cost of whatever spell is triggering the srs
ancient geyser
distant dome
And raging spirits might count towards "cast on minion death"
they won't count a lot
but
thorny path
gonna cast once every 4 seconds?
distant dome
they might do something when you have 5-10 of them dying every 1.4 seconds
thorny path
rechage isn't very fast default
pastel forge
eternal youth should be a constantly recharging life bar with MoM defending it
ancient geyser
gonna cast once every 4 seconds?
recharge halting only applies if you take damage from a damage source, not if you are spending a resource
thorny path
It still needs to actually recharge
proven quest
they might do something when you have 5-10 of them dying every 1.4 seconds
And if they’re considered dying when the limit is reached, they will die much faster than that
distant dome
And if they’re considered dying when the limit is reached, they will die much fa...
I would assume it would just not make more of them
rather than have them die
ancient geyser
It still needs to actually recharge
yes, and you should have leech with ridiculous damage output (even if you're leeching 1% that alone should help the sustain) + fast recovery + hp regen
distant dome
but if oldest die when at cap, then we don't have to waste time with "less duration"
pastel forge
It still needs to actually recharge
mom prevents damage from touching life, which means it should not be interrupted by damage
thorny path
yes, and you should have leech with ridiculous damage output (even if you're lee...
future leech resist victim
pastel forge
unless you get hit too hard i mean
olive tide
but if oldest die when at cap, then we don't have to waste time with "less durat...
infernal legion will kill them quick
thorny path
why not just build mana regen again
thorny path
mom prevents damage from touching life, which means it should not be interrupted...
I understand that
distant dome
why not just build mana regen again
because I want to stack this as well
ancient geyser
why not just build mana regen again
because building mana regen will still be part of the build, but in the lategame
with this tech you are basically enabling a strong league starter
distant dome
and then I'll need mana for all the casted trigers
thorny path
because I want to stack this as well
I don't see how this is exclusive with building mana regen
distant dome
I mean
ancient geyser
I don't see how this is exclusive with building mana regen
no one said building mana regen is exclusive
these are just easy ways to circumvent it
distant dome
I could build mana regen, no one was saying I wouldn't
proven quest
but if oldest die when at cap, then we don't have to waste time with "less durat...
That’s why I’m planning on using infernal legion and minion pact to kill them quickly rather than less duration
thorny path
because building mana regen will still be part of the build, but in the lategame
so build even more life regen than normal early to not build mana regen?
ancient geyser
so build even more life regen than normal early to not build mana regen?
the whole point is that you don't need life regen
distant dome
it's just quite possibly enitrely solved by having a revolving death wall of raging spriits
thorny path
ok so let me get this straight real quick
ancient geyser
you will be stacking ES recovery + eternal youth
thorny path
eternal youth + leech = no mana regen investment, right?
ancient geyser
it's as simple as that
thorny path
Just to not build mana regen?
pastel forge
im confused how mana regen is excluded
olive tide
where even is eternal youth on the tree?
pastel forge
on the int side
thorny path
I'm confused what this setup is actually achieving
ancient geyser
eternal youth + leech = no mana regen investment, right?
why would you not build mana regen? you are just stacking extra layers
olive tide
on the int side
oh no shit?
ancient geyser
you have: eternal youth, leech, life regen, ES recharge rate turbo stacked up, mana regen
distant dome
It's basically just to cause an infinite loop for other things, from "Cast on Minion death" triggers, to "cast on Ignite triggers", while also solving a bunch of potential mana issues
static plinth
because I want to stack this as well
Oh hey this should cook with Unearth on a non-minion build 
thorny path
you have: eternal youth, leech, life regen, ES recharge rate turbo stacked up, m...
I thought the whole point was to not build mana regen early
distant dome
from what I'm talking about
I'm just trying to min-max "Cast on minion death"
and stumbled across a way to do that
possibly
that also fixes mana
ancient geyser
I thought the whole point was to not build mana regen early
you won't need much mana regen early unlike a regular MoM archmage build because your main spender: ball lightning archmage is gonna be sustained with lifetap and you can use mana as a pure defensive layer, but that doesn't mean mana regen is worthless because mana regen obviously helps you recover this EHP pool and you can use that resource to spend it on cast on crit support skills
you are just stacking layers as i said
nothing here is exclusive
distant dome
Lets say I have a bunch of spells tied to "Cast on ignite" and "Cast on minion death" - Including in those cast triggers, is projectile fire spells, that create more soon to be dead minions, and cause more ignite procs
pastel forge
I thought the whole point was to not build mana regen early
mana regen is still used because mom makes mana your main healthpool
eternal youth + life leech + life tap is to put the stress on hp instead so mana can be used as a focus for your survivability
distant dome
basically, just automated fire machine gun of projectiles, dead minions, and a couple other buff spells
thorny path
Okay
I see it now
Sounds like a future leech resist victim as I said earlier but go ahead I guess
ancient geyser
Sounds like a future leech resist victim as I said earlier but go ahead I guess
i'm not sure why you're acting as if leech is the enabler for the build lol
olive tide
https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1308715133207318578/1312412238803501087/p...
where is MoM on the tree that pic u linked me doesnt show it?
ancient geyser
it really isn't
it's very likely the leech node from blood mage can be skipped entirely
thorny path
Yes I guess assuming eternal youth will give 500 life/second is the enabler
Which I highly doubt
ancient geyser
Yes I guess assuming eternal youth will give 500 life/second is the enabler
you will get even more than that
with ES recharge stacked up you should fully recharge your ES in ~2 seconds
pastel forge
where is MoM on the tree that pic u linked me doesnt show it?
seems top left
ancient geyser
leech will just be an extra tool IF NEEDED, but not an enabler
olive tide
ok yea its not marked on the one you sent me the first time, ty
static plinth
Yes I guess assuming eternal youth will give 500 life/second is the enabler
I mean 500 a second is like. The minimum
olive tide
lmao.. can you anoint these ones? if not they are far as fuck
ancient geyser
lmao.. can you anoint these ones? if not they are far as fuck
nope
static plinth
You can easily get it up to like 2k a sec
ancient geyser
keystones can't be anointed
olive tide
eternal youth and mom are quite a bit away from eachother
static plinth
We pray for Cloak of Defiance
I dont think theyre so far you cant justify it though
ancient geyser
eternal youth and mom are quite a bit away from eachother
which side is eternal youth on?
olive tide
like far right
static plinth
which side is eternal youth on?
Opposite of MoM
ancient geyser
oh they're not even far at all
static plinth
Still top half
ancient geyser
by poe1 standards lol
static plinth
Its a bit far but completely reasonable
ancient geyser
you will path for eternal youth early i'm assuming
but pretty sure this is online by lvl 50
ancient geyser
Vaal pact seems too far away tbh
i'd only consider this as a last resort but i'm sure leech won't be that important at all
olive tide
man fastest route i see from mom to eternal youth is ~19 nodes
static plinth
Id hop on and make out a path but i gotta go to work 😔
olive tide
which are all attribute nodes so thats nice i guess
ancient geyser
which are all attribute nodes so thats nice i guess
easy mana stack
olive tide
but if u starting withc theres alot to go through to get to either one
ancient geyser
yeah so lvl 50ish + skill points from killing bosses
before you start mapping build is fully online
olive tide
~17 nodes to go straight to eternal youth, all attribute from what i can tell