2┃build-planning

[short timber]

it's just flat 30%?

[thorny path]

https://youtu.be/iw870QM1V5k?si=RzHFQqmWsyhHfx4x&t=108 from the ranger showcase, this is super old to be fair

[gusty dock]

Will they have path of building for poe2

[scenic ivy]

eventually, but pob isn't run by GGG. It's a community project

So we'll get it whenever it's ready. And considering we don't even have the passive tree, let alone all the calculations and drastic changes that are coming with poe 2. I figure it might take a bit

[midnight bolt]

idc abt pob just give us working passive tree

🙏

[short timber]

thank you

[gusty dock]

@scenic ivy do you maxroll will have full builds?

[scenic ivy]

In the future, sure. But literally no one is going to have a full build before EA launches.

Plenty of people might have ideas of what they wanna run, but there is wayyyyyyyy too little information right now to actually recommend a build, let alone make a guide for one

[gusty dock]

@scenic ivy hopefully they full builds by the 11 that's when I get home

[scenic ivy]

I wouldn't expect maxroll to have any full builds by then

Things will be a little more fleshed out by then, but I wouldn't expect too too much. I figure what we'll be seeing more of are players "diaries" of their progression

[gusty dock]

@scenic ivy i am coming from d4

[scenic ivy]

It's not like a new poe league where there's already a huge baseline of knowledge, general information, and 3rd party tools like pob. This is an entirely new game

Yeah poe is more complex than diablo when it comes to making builds. Since every class can use every skill, use every weapon, wear any armour; and there are a nearly infinite number of combinations of modifiers on gear, uniques, passive combinations. It takes a while for there to be fleshed out new builds.

Even in poe 1, where we have all of this base knowledge, it takes weeks for reputable build sites/creators like maxroll build makers to say like "this is a tried and tested build, it works, give it a shot"

[gusty dock]

@scenic ivy do you make your own. Builds and how do you go about that

[scenic ivy]

Sometimes I make my own, sometimes I follow build guides (especially for league starters), and sometimes I'll take a look at what others are doing and try to work my own spin on it. It's tough to really explain how to make your own build without going too in the weeds about it. And of course my knowledge is mainly based in poe 1, where making a build has a few fundamental differences.

But ultimately, you want to find something that scales your damage. Are you casting spells? Are you attacking? Are you using elements? Are you using DoTs? Scale those things through your gear and passives. Maybe try to see if there are any uniques that complement the damage you're dealing. You also want to build your defenses. Glass cannons don't work in poe. So you want to make sure your baselines are in order, make sure you have good life, make sure your resistances are good, and then build layers on top of that. Maybe get a bunch of armour, maybe get energy shield. Poe 1 has stuff like spell suppression, unsure what the deal is with extra layers like that in poe 2. But it's just gonna be a learning experience for all of us

But that last part is the main takeaway. EVERYONE is going to be learning about the game for a good while from the ground up. Poe 1 vets might have an edge, but it's ultimately not a competitive game. We're all going to be going in blind or with quarter-baked ideas of what we might want a build to be. But literally all you need to know before going in is "what looks fun" and just go from there

[fossil sail]

Thank you for explaining to newbies first timers for APRG gamers like me. I do hope it’s gonna be fun and new experience. With different kind of unique builds. I’ll be a monk class I love it.

Second thought about necromacer(witch), could you play like a ⚔️ melee and summoning minions? Kinda like solo leveling anime guy. That’s so pog fr.

[gusty dock]

@scenic ivy wow man you been helping alot

[atomic halo]

some might even say they're "Helpful"

[scenic ivy]

You could, it might just be tough to build around. Melee weapons won't naturally roll stuff that benefit a summoner, and you'd be splitting your passives/gear between stuff that benefits both whatever melee you'd want and whatever minions you'd want. So while absolutely possible, it'd be kind of weaker in both departments compared to specializing in one

But that, of course, follows poe 1 logic. Who's to say there isn't some wild new unique that might enable a thing like that to happen, or maybe an ascendancy node we haven't seen yet could

lol happy to help!

[pastel forge]

Gonna be tough since the minion and melee nodes are at different parts of the tree, but should be doable yea

Eventually there's gonna be uniques to support that play style too I'm sure

[native widget]

arent there quite a few allie nodes in the bottom area?

he could just play gemling instead and take the ally nodes, then go towards bottom left

[fossil sail]

However I’m more interested in monk with quaterstaff as main

[native widget]

yeah doable

how good it is though, is unknown

you can go both up and down and take all them nodes

[fossil sail]

Nice

[pastel forge]

Since you can choose the attribute you want from the travel nodes now it's gonna be easier to customize a build

[native widget]

yeah

[pastel forge]

We all know archmage builds are 99% int anyway

[native widget]

is there a detailed explanation of how the different skill use different skill tree works?

im still a little confused

like can they be active at the same time on different skills

[pastel forge]

You mean weapon swap or?

[native widget]

is that how its triggered?

im not sure

let me watch the video again

[pastel forge]

You get to use certain pts on weapon one and the other on weapon 2

And you can assign skills to use either weapons

[native widget]

ahhh

how do you get those points then?

[pastel forge]

From quests and stuff mainly

[native widget]

so what if lets say all of your spirit is reserved for minions, then you switch weapons and you no longer have the spirit for all the minions

like do the minions just disappear?

and how about when you reequip the sceptres

do they just instantly respawn

[pastel forge]

It should be based on which weapon you assign the skill to

Not too sure how it would work on that example tho

No real examples shown yet

[native widget]

so much mystery😔

[pastel forge]

It could be that the spirit is based on your main weapon so you'll have to put sceptre on first slot, and there's a passive for weapon swap speed so it could be clunky if you mostly cast stuff and rely on swap

Have to play test it to know for sure

The meta would be to always have sceptre equipped for spirit to reserve for buffs

[quick eagle]

Do we have any spells spoiled that are powerful with a significant cooldown. Wondering what kind of chronomancer utility is available

[native widget]

hourglass support ig

but no real long cd spells

[pastel forge]

Most of the cool down stuff are warcries and grenades

Hammer of the gods seems to be the only revealed long cd nuke so far

[quick eagle]

I didn't realize we knew 126 supports. Going through poedb now.

New chain is BONKERS with arc

[native widget]

I think comet might do pretty good

im thinking comet (hour glass, second wind, spell echo, concentrated effect,cold penetration

rn im not sure if chronomancer reset ability can reset both charges of second wind

but its possible right?

[midnight bolt]

i dont think chronomancer will be abt cd, but instead about stacking a lot of hp/mana/es and resetting it every 2-3 seconds if u get hit

if they keep poe1 cd on time shift

[pastel forge]

Ball lightning seems fairly easy to scale for archmage

[native widget]

nah, i think time freeze and time rift is more for defensive

[native widget]

so if you have 10k mana it will be a 6x multiplier?

[pastel forge]

Yea but there's not much mana nodes to scale from sadly

[native widget]

EB is the answer

[pastel forge]

Still

Between the node that gives lightning% per 10int, spell dmg per 100 mana, archmage, you'll get plenty of scaling

There's also that node that has 24% chance to +2 projectile for spells on top of all that

And since it's an aoe spell, concentrated effect works too

Slower projectiles will improve the DPS as well for bossing

[native widget]

what accendency are you taking then

stormweaver?

[pastel forge]

Well you have the choice of dark monk mom (if mana leech is viable), stormweaver or bloodmage (crit stacking)

Merc gemling can work too depending on how much the gem passives improve overall dps

[native widget]

i was just aware that the +attribute req on sup gems actually all add together to be a requirement.. instead of adding req to the skill gem they support

well now that just changed everything

[pastel forge]

Gemling merc can just full stack int with the ascendancy that only uses your highest stat for gem requirement

[native widget]

true

[pastel forge]

That +12% gem quality ascendancy could be huge too, have to see

[native widget]

thats only for skill gems

[neat dew]

The wiki says the monk is dex/int with quarterstaff and unarmed

[native widget]

what?

[neat dew]

How is that going to work, the elements scale on int and the impact on dex?

Also I thought a lot of stuff was tied to weapons, so are unarmed still considered weapons?

[pastel forge]

Some are and others aren't, case by case basis

Have to see if the skill has weapon req

[neat dew]

Hmm

[pastel forge]

The palm skills seem to require either unarmed or quarterstaff, but I'm not sure how unarmed is considered

[midnight bolt]

tbh sorc looks really worrisome, the amount of lightning support they showed so vastly overperforms what they showed to other spells like cold/fire/chaos is not even funny. You got projectile spells, shock(with shock effect and double shock) then archmage....

[pastel forge]

Maybe having 1h + no offhand allows the use of palm skills

[midnight bolt]

hard to imagine other elements having anything remotely close balance wise

[native widget]

maybe they just didnt show all of other element's supports and stuff

[midnight bolt]

very unlikely otherwise they wouldnt have speciified that u can use it with quaterstaff

[neat dew]

You'd lose the bonuses of your weapon though if you need to be unarmed so those skills probably need to be pretty strong by default

[midnight bolt]

well they showed top cold and fire nodes, while lightning gets % dmg per int, cold gets +1 skill and fire gets ignite effect...

doesnt look very promising

[neat dew]

You do have the separate passive trees that can switch when you switch weapon. If you could make a setup for unarmed and a setup for Qstaff then you'd just weapon swap

[pastel forge]

The issue is that they listed both unarmed and quarterstaff, we don't know what qualifies as unarmed

[midnight bolt]

we know

[pastel forge]

Weaponless?

[midnight bolt]

ya

[pastel forge]

Sounds kinda pointless lol

[midnight bolt]

for example any shapshift form autoamtically makes you unarmed cause it pseudo un-equips your weapon and u dont get any bonuses from it

one of the reason why demon mommy will be iffy with summons, devs confirmed that if u shift you unequip your scepter and your minions go poof

[native widget]

instantly minus 200+ spirit button?

[midnight bolt]

yepp

[native widget]

sounds like a big big L

[pastel forge]

Oof

[midnight bolt]

johnantan wasnt even certain if they are planning to fix it or not

they havent decided

[native widget]

i dont get it, why cant demon form hold wands and sceptres

[midnight bolt]

ye same

[pastel forge]

Was there confirmation on how spirit works with scepter on weapon swap then?

[midnight bolt]

but then you will aslo be able to wield shield

i think they dont want that

[native widget]

dk

[native widget]

you could just limit it to sceptre wand and staff

[midnight bolt]

same way as i described above

everything poofs

[pastel forge]

So how does it work if you main scepters but autoswap to cast spells, your reserved skills are disabled for a split second? Kek

[midnight bolt]

ya

well u need to swap back

[native widget]

like im so confused rn

does your minions instantly respawn when you gain the spirit back

or do you like, have to wait the cd

[pastel forge]

If you don't have to re-cast your reserved skills then it shouldn't be too much of an issue I feel

But we'll see

[native widget]

wait how does autoswap work

is that like a support or something

[pastel forge]

You can assign a weapon slot for each skill

[midnight bolt]

the auto swap works only 1 way it doesnt swap u back

[pastel forge]

So when you press the skill assigned to your fire staff, it swaps to that etc

Ah

[midnight bolt]

your weapon will be the same weapon as the last spell u casted

unless you make macros

[pastel forge]

Makes sense I guess, doesn't encourage everyone to use scepter for spirit sticks

[native widget]

woah woah

banned

[midnight bolt]

it doesnt even sound neccassry tbh

[pastel forge]

Depends how much spirit you can get without them I guess

Archmage alone takes up 100

[midnight bolt]

im curious if wands will be pure chaos mods, or they can roll ele mods too

[native widget]

not too much

pretty sure sceptres are the main source of spirit

[midnight bolt]

ull get ~100 free

then there are passives, runes and amulet base

[pastel forge]

Archmage+blasphemy would be 130 spirit, cast on shock/crit is another 100

[frail jay]

it's somewhere between 90 and 180 free

you can also get spirit on runes

[native widget]

😮

[pastel forge]

Oh that would be nice yea

[native widget]

do you know how much?

[midnight bolt]

basic +10

rare nobody knows

[native widget]

you have like what, 8 slots?

thats 80 atleast

[midnight bolt]

they showed those only for weapons

[native widget]

nah

[midnight bolt]

so 40

[native widget]

armor too

[midnight bolt]

no i meant spirit bonus only if u put in weapon

[native widget]

ohh

ok

isnt it only 1 slot per 1 handed weapon?

so like 20

[pastel forge]

Archmage 100
Blasphemy 30
Elemental invocation 60
Cast on shock/crit 100

[frail jay]

weapon was 15

[pastel forge]

1 slot per glove/helm/boots/1h weapons, 2 slot for chest + 2h weapons, possible +1 slot from vaal orbing

[modern tangle]

I believe +1 slot from vaal was only available for chest and 2h

[frail jay]

I think it was all armour?

it's one of the 4 outcomes

[native widget]

i dont see why that would be the case

[frail jay]

might even be jewelery too

[modern tangle]

You're probably right. I went back to find that part of the livestream and there was no limitation mentioned.

[frail jay]

The vaal outcomes are like slot/enchant/reroll half the mods/???

I think that body/2h can come with 2 sockets baseline

vaal can take them to 3

I guess do nothing is the 4th outcome

[native widget]

no more bricks?

[modern tangle]

Livestream showed:

1. do nothing
2. add modifier (+30 life on body, not one of the affixes)
3. reroll up to half (4 affix rare rerolled 2 of the existing affixes into shitty values while keeping all 4 the same affix type, and added 5th affix) BRICK!
4. add socket (affixes untouched)
   (and vaaling a unique)

[maiden karma]

Vaaling uniques can also divine their values for up to 20% over or under their limits

[unreal girder]

Can some1 help me understand the witchhunter concentration node?

Do I need to deal 40% of the targets life to proc it?

[modern tangle]

I would interpret it so that the effect ramps up with more concentration lost, reaching max when you've dealt 40% in dmg (without letting them regen concentration).

[eternal meadow]

That's the most reasonable interpretation
I personally I'm curious how Decimating Strike works with that, cuz in clip where it was shown, boss lost a lot of health and wasn't stunned, so seems like Decimating Strike health loss might not count as damage

[native widget]

so far i think ranger is prob the most boring class out of 6

soooo the mount skill, can you cast while moving using it or is it like bow skill only

[modern tangle]

Ranger is faithfully brought over from poe1 but I think bows lost some of their design space to crossbows.

not enough satisfying cone attacks

[grand roost]

maybe just use both

[native widget]

anyone know the answer?

[modern tangle]

From verbal descriptions it sounded like it would work for ranged attacks, so bow and xbow only. But of course, they were discussing in in the context of bow and just mentioning that other classes can use it. One example is enough and doesn't 100% rule out spells.

[native widget]

cuz free moving while cast sounds real good

[craggy hearth]

heyo i still dont understand how totem skills works in poe2, i dont see any ballista or spell totem support , totems will only be available from specific skills ?

[maiden karma]

We've seen a slam support totem and a chaos DoT relates one

[modern tangle]

Pathfinder spellcasters with Running Assault might be worth trying at some point.

[craggy hearth]

ah y i see them, shockwave and dark effigy, but if i want to do a fireball or BL totem i cant then? or its not revealed yet

[modern tangle]

So far we don't have that.

[maiden karma]

Spell totems are more of a hierophant thing

Will probably have to wait till templar

[craggy hearth]

oki ty

[maiden karma]

Witch hunter eating good

[sage jungle]

nobody will even take that when you can have +20 passive points xd

[frail jay]

It's not +20 passive points

it converts 20 passive points to weapon swap points

so instead of having 99 base and 23 swappable it will be 79 base and 43 swappable

[sage jungle]

it converts? so you have -20 on main weapon?

but that's not what the tooltip says

[frail jay]

both trees have 122 points total, but you'll have 20 more points that can be changed between the trees

[sage jungle]

source?

[frail jay]

not being an idiot who thinks 1 notable is giving 20 extra passive points

[sage jungle]

grants = gain

?

not convert

it's basic english

[frail jay]

yeah ok buddy, 1 notable is surely giving an insane amount of power bigger than any notable in poe1

[sage jungle]

that's what it says lol

[frail jay]

go for it

or weapon set skill points are just a count of how many points you can swap and gaining more just means you can swap more

[grand roost]

in the content reveal video u can see that if u use a weapon set skill point u use an passive skill point too

[frail jay]

^

[sage jungle]

that makes sense , ok

[sterile sparrow]

Is it the case that all bonuses from weapons are disabled when you are in demon form?

Like it replaces weapons?

[pastel forge]

Supposedly yea, unsure if bug or intended

[sterile sparrow]

But then wouldn't demon form have to be insanely powerful to compete with actual weapons?

I feel like I'm missing something

No weapon + degen downside

Would need an absurd amount of power to even get to power neutral

[frail jay]

Yeah Jonathan said that's probably not how it should be in an interview, it will probably suck on release

[proper pagoda]

they need to reveal all ascendency imo. leave passive tree unknown but we cant pick our class without ascend

[frail jay]

well some people are saying its already been datamined from xbox, and we'll get pc predownload like 2-3 days before release and it will surely get datamined there

[proper pagoda]

https://youtu.be/chM0wUtVC50 havoc da real mvp

[opaque zodiac]

gamers has anyone been looking into coc setups where coc'd skill(s) is triggering itself

[alpine vigil]

I don't think triggered skills can generate energy

[opaque zodiac]

Well that sucks, do you have a source for that?

[alpine vigil]

looking for it

[alpine vigil]

can't find it rn, but seeing how cast on minion death explicitly disallows slotting minions it'd be consistent

[alpine vigil]

oh nice well

[opaque zodiac]

thanks for the source ❤️

[maiden karma]

[modern tangle]

Highest cost multiplier I have seen, and a reservation multiplier so putting it into Blasphemy hurts too.

Hand of Chayula might not make us pay the costs of the curses and marks, only its own. Which is pretty hefty but still.

[frail jay]

TBH it's not clear if there's a blanket restriction of triggered skills not generating energy, or if Viper is thinking of all of the cast on X skills that do say "once per skill use" where "use" cannot be triggered skills.

Because if there is a blanket restriction I don't see why the cast on X skills would specifically list that restriction and others don't

[unreal girder]

so at best I can proc it twice on a boss then?

doesnt sound particularly amazing if that's the case

[modern tangle]

I expected it to be persistent effect while lost concentration is maintained, not something that procs.

1 day after EA launch and some streamer has tested how it actually works.

[unreal girder]

yeah sure

I wont be able to play till christmas anyway so I'll know in time xd

[unreal girder]

oh damn, you have to take culling strike for decimating strike on WH

what a bummer

makes it significantly less appealing

[eternal meadow]

Why so?

[unreal girder]

because cull is only 5% on bosses

so you waste 2 points on a relatively meh node to get a very good one

[modern tangle]

we've seen at least one passive to increase culling threshold by 25% I think

[unreal girder]

and you can get cull on others anway

[unreal girder]

so then it's 6%

[modern tangle]

but obviously it's not meant to be the boss ender. Culling is actually nice for clear.

[unreal girder]

we'Ll see yeah if you can invest into it it might be good

[eternal meadow]

I think Culling Strike is very good in PoE2, 30%threshold on white mobs and you can scale it up

With Decimating Strike and 25%inc cull treshold node we were shown that's almost 70% of enemy life gone

[unreal girder]

a white mobs life yeah

shouldnt they ideall die in a couple hits anyway

[summer mantle]

there's a support gem for empowering skills to apply culling on skills you empower with it, which means it isnt in your damaging skills gem links

[modern tangle]

poe2 is supposed to have some mob types that are durable even as white. The health is more based on enemy type than rarity.

[summer mantle]

so i feel like taking culling strike as a node would be a throw relative to just slotting that in

[unreal girder]

especially since you have a 100% life explo so white monsters should drop relatively easily

and you have a bunch of 6 link to fit culling support into if you really want it

[modern tangle]

Culling from support is nice.

[summer mantle]

this one

seems like the best option for opportunity cost

assuming you have some decent empower skill you can use

[modern tangle]

Lightning Warp for cull has no weapon requirement.

[unreal girder]

plus basically if you take cull decimating and explo you only have 1 ascendancy left, so you cant go full on sorc ward or concentration

and I mean yeah, you need tradeoffs

and maybe cull ends up being good

[modern tangle]

wonder if both these supports still exist or they just keep one

Couldn't find Empowered Cull in the havoc video, only Culling Strike.

[granite kettle]

Do you think Chaotic Freeze would synergize well with Decaying Hex?
CF says "support spells that deal Chaos DoT", but Decaying Hex isn't a spell, it's a support.... So it might not work at all. 😦

But maybe it does because Chaotic Freeze would support a skill that deals Chaos DoT because it is also supported by Decaying Hex?

[trail lynx]

bruh

they really going for the stacking builds

[tranquil inlet]

Very likely won't work

[granite kettle]

I don't really see why not.
When you add support gems to a skill, the skill gains all the "attributes" of the support in the tool-tip.
So the skill itself does everything the support gems granted it. 🤷‍♂️

[maiden karma]

SPLINTER SUNDER

[modern tangle]

I want to use Splinter. But it's bit weird that I have to deal physical damage to break the boss armor, before I've broken their armor.

might start a little slow

[tranquil inlet]

I think Poe stuff is just written very literally

[maiden karma]

Any idea what daze is?

[modern tangle]

No but there's another support in the video for applying it with warcry.

[maiden karma]

Do we know rage numbers in 2?

[modern tangle]

Nope but it can't be much higher than the old 1% per rage.

[maiden karma]

No cd warcry spam is suddenly looking very strong

[modern tangle]

I'm just worried about my rage stacks when I have to dodge away for a moment. 😧

[maiden karma]

Just scream to recover it

[proper pagoda]

i been trying to learn the same me boy

i am very sad break endurance is only 20% chance for charge

very sadeg

[pastel forge]

so do charges still provide a passive bonus or are they just resources for spending on skills now?

[proper pagoda]

unsure, i believe just resource spending

[modern tangle]

they're just resources

technically, Seismic Cry says it benefits from endurance charges without consuming them. That one's on my watch list.

[proper pagoda]

aint no way it works like that

[scenic ivy]

man of course gemling is even more OP than before..

[daring jay]

uhh

[modern tangle]

I heard you like charges.

[mental robin]

insanw

[daring jay]

i like charges yes xD

[modern tangle]

So you put charge support on your charge skills so you can get charges while you get charges.

[graceful hull]

Swords are not available in Early Acess? Is that for real?

[scenic ivy]

Not yet. They'll come with the duelist

[graceful hull]

Dear lord

[daring jay]

question is if a skill, that normally don't grant charges, have a support which makes it able to will get benefit too

[opaque zodiac]

does anyone know if its possible to have multiple walls up at the same time? e.g. multiple flame walls

[scenic ivy]

yeah you can have multiple flame walls up

[modern tangle]

It will depend on the intent and wording of the support. Or item effect, or passive skill. Case specific.

[scenic ivy]

I doubt it. Skills that generate charges are generally tied specifically to granting charges. Being able to gain charges on a random skill, or especially like a main damaging skill, would invalidate a ton of skills

[daring jay]

hmm

[proper pagoda]

I think it would work

I would bet money on it

[daring jay]

lets say this for example

[scenic ivy]

Yeah there are conditional charges, like this one as well

[daring jay]

well this should work i imagine

[scenic ivy]

Yeah, provided you have a reliable way to consistently break armour, freeze, electrocute, pin an enemy

Should be easy enough to get a bunch while mapping, but would be much tougher on bosses

[daring jay]

the question is also does the % chance to get another increase when the gem increases in level

[scenic ivy]

supports don't have levels anymore

[daring jay]

its only a level 1 gem

ohhh

well there is different tiers do you know what they mean?

[scenic ivy]

Yeah, different support gems have tiers. So if you have a tier 1 uncut support gem, you won't be able to get a tier 2 or 3 support gem

[modern tangle]

Those tiers are only related to gaining the item though. There aren't different tier versions of the same gem.

Anyone seen quality on a support gem? Probably won't be a thing.

[daring jay]

wait so tiers mean nothing?

[snow mist]

Newb queastion: I think I’ve heard someone say that elemental damage is also tied to stats like str, bit and dex? Like ice dnd scales with int sort of thing? That correct or misinterpreted or just wrong lol?

[modern tangle]

the tiers are related to drops and when you can get the support gem

[daring jay]

ahhh okay makes sense thanks

[merry hearth]

Not by default

[modern tangle]

A notable node was shown in passive tree that gives some lightning damage from your mana IIRC. And int gives mana. There are stat stacking effects like that you could get for your character.

There is also a support gem that gets damage from your int.

[snow mist]

Ah that makes perfect sense. Thanks chat.

[daring jay]

Is spirit buffs like this one supportable in the skill menu?

[modern tangle]

All skills in the game are supportable, but some aren't gems. Combat Frenzy should be a spirit gem so it's supportable and could be placed into a meta gem... though that doesn't make sense for a spirit gem.

[daring jay]

alright thanks :D

[modern tangle]

The skills from gear and ascendancies are the ones that are supportable but not gems, so they can't be put into meta gems to be triggered.

[daring jay]

It seems like you can get flicker strike to hit almost 10 times every 5 seconds or so which doesnt seem bad

[flint flume]

Will ground effects snapshot you passives?
Say I have a weapon swap for profane ritual, which puts down a chaos ground effect. If I swap back to my other weapon set, will the ground effect become weaker?

[shut ruin]

To my understanding all things that are persistent will snapshot it's damage/effects/etc. at time of cast/use.

However, things like minions / totems / {other stuff} that require spirit, will disappear if your amount of spirit becomes less than what's necessary. Whatever ones are left were snapshot'd, but you might have a few less if you switch out between a weapon that increased your spirit by {N} to a weapon that doesn't.

[short timber]

how are we supposed to know how much dmg this is 😅

[daring jay]

Anyone knows how getting multiple sources of +more dmg works? Like if you use both these supports does it give +60% more or +68%

[flint flume]

Hold alt while mousing over it next week 😄

[flint flume]

Assuming formulas stay the same as PoE 1, more is multiplicative and increased is additive

[short timber]

pain

[daring jay]

yeah i know but wondering how multiple sources of more increases your dmg

if you got 40% more dmg from 1 source and 20% from another

[flint flume]

https://www.poewiki.net/wiki/Damage#Damage_calculation

[daring jay]

uhhh nice!

[shut ruin]

More is multiplicative. So 40% more and 20% more is actually 1.4*1.2 (68%)

Whereas if it was increased instead, then it'd just be additive 0.4+0.2 (60%)

It's the difference of exponential growth vs. linear growth (if those words mean anything to you).

[daring jay]

Also if they are the same type like 40% more area dmg and 20% more area dmg?

[flint flume]

More is more

[daring jay]

xD'

[pastel forge]

huh, did concentrated effect get updated or something

on poe2skills its now listed as 30% more dmg instead of 40%

[daring jay]

no clue

[thorny path]

chuan just updated poe2db support gem info so I would trust that

It says 40% over there

[shut ruin]

So that depends on the skill. Say I've a "fire arrow" (making up a skill).
If I have 20% more fire damage. 40% more projectile damage, and 30% more bow damage ...

Then, in my hypothetical skill, I'd have 1.2* 1.4* 1.3

[pastel forge]

hmm ok

[shut ruin]

I can't find the exact YouTube video, but if you're wanting to dive into PoE, I found building my own spreadsheet of calculations and then comparing it to values that are known (e.g., Path of Building) a worthwhile exercise to deepen my knowledge on scaling damage and what applies to what.

Though that's with my PoE1 mind ... not exactly PoB2 for PoE2 just yet and likely won't be for a bit 🤷

[daring jay]

hmm yeah okay. I havent really played poe a lot. only got 300 hours and just took a build off the internet. Im gonna make my own build now since its the perfect scenario for it. got a lot to learn haha

[pastel forge]

i suppose hourglass wont work in a meta gem setup like cast on crit

[flint flume]

Hourglass specifies that it supports spells you cast yourself

so no

[pastel forge]

ah yea

hmm

not too sure what use i could get outta that

[mental robin]

broken combinaion:
use barrage with max frenzy charges + get as many frenzy charges as possible quickly without using bow skills + rain of arrows

[flint flume]

Hexblast damage is kinda nutty... Base 101 to 188. I keep flip flopping on hexblast chayula monk, but if it works, it sounds like it could be great

[daring jay]

Im cooking up a flicker strike build. I can get roughly 2.3 power charges every 5-6 seconds and 35% chance not to consume the charges so around 10.5 flicker strike hits per 5-6 seconds which seems good.

[pastel forge]

this looks so underwhelming when you see stuff like +5 lvls on that lv90 staff ngl lol

since i assume support gems dont lvl up anymore

[thorny path]

usually the higher the levels go, the increased effect of the level up

[daring jay]

damn 20 skill points :O

[thorny path]

so going from level 25 -> 26 is more impactful then 24 -> 25 for a skill

[flint flume]

There's no way that's 20 skill points straight up. It will just give you 40 weapon swap passives instead of 20

[tawny karma]

according to this info int gives spell damage? doesnt that make it verry counterintuative to build strength on a bloodmage if i want to use spells on it?

[arctic crypt]

i want to use this. like the sounds of this

[thorny path]

Last I heard, 1 int gives 2 mana and nothing else

[arctic crypt]

or something monk lol idk what skill

[tawny karma]

am i just being fed misinformation then? cause i just watched a video showing that picture and saying it did

[flint flume]

Hot damn that 15% crit chance

[thorny path]

send the video

[tawny karma]

https://youtu.be/pjKcytYIqBY?t=285

its timestamped on the picture

[arctic crypt]

o god lol

[tawny karma]

anyone has any info on what the base stats do in poe2?

[thorny path]

kind of a nothing of a video I wouldn't trust it. The last we heard about attributes from GGG, int gave 2 mana per int

[tawny karma]

do you happen to know if that picture they are using is from poe 1 then?

[thorny path]

It has tooltips so it's from poe2, might be super old tho

The attributes weren't always what they are rn

[tawny karma]

where did ggg state that it only gives mana any video i can find that info in?

[thorny path]

Now that I'm reading it again I think it's definitely old because it for sure doesn't give energy shield anymore

[thorny path]

#2┃general message

[short timber]

except

you can just use weapon passives to extend your tree

it can functionally be

20 more skill points

which is absurd

[arctic crypt]

do you guys think the skill reap will be added ? its my favorite skill in poe 1

[thorny path]

It probably makes 20 regular points into weapon swap points instead of adding new points

[pastel forge]

so is spell echo just basically a double cast with delay?

[thorny path]

yes

[pastel forge]

thanks

hmm

i suppose controlled destruction is a decent choice if your build isn't fully specced into crits

for supp

definitely a no go for bloodmage

[thin basin]

When ur own minion dies does it create a corpse?

The one that revives itselfs which i guess is all of them

[vagrant salmon]

Is a warrior 1-handing a big mace with a scepter offhand something thats likely to work well? How does dual wielding work, does it double damage or is it more of a stat stick

[short timber]

that makes more sense

[short timber]

it also increases AoE

for stuff like ball lightning where dps directly scales with area

really good

[pastel forge]

yep

brainstorming for ball lightning atm

ball lightning - wild shards - concentrated effect - spell echo - inevitable critical - ligtning mastery?

was also considering slower projectiles since that technically would increase overall dps as well, tho at that point you might as well get area of effect for more aoe?

[short timber]

I would not go conc effect on ball lightning

the bigger the range on your lightning tendrils the higher the dps

since ball lightning moves away from enemies

[pearl sluice]

anyone think ignite prolif, srs demon form witch is possible? looks like srs got reworked, and now spawn on death of enemy (fire spells only)

[modern tangle]

Some skills like Armour Breaker get attack speed boost from dual wielding. I would hope they alternate weapons. Others like Sunder and Perfect Strike get a damage penalty in dual so I would hope they're hitting with both weapons. Neither would reach double dps or double dmg but significantly more than 1-h. Haven't seen actual footage and most skill tooltips we have were old videos where dual wield wasn't mentioned yet.
And just in case, I 'm talking about dual maces here. Sceptre off-hand won't count as dual wield.

[vagrant salmon]

Wonder if theres a difference between '1 handing' a mace with giants blood, and 2 handing the same mace

Also wonder if you can swap to a 'summoning set' of weapons, summon stuff then swap to another set with those summons holding that bonus still

Will swords be good for warrior also? Everything seems focused on slams with maces

They should just release trees

[modern tangle]

You could do that with Raise Zombie which has limited duration. But if you summon spirit based summons then switch away your spirit-giving weapon, some of your spirit based buffs or summons will be removed because you don't have enough to pay for them.

Swords could be good for warrior when they eventually get added to the game with duelist.

Maces and quarterstaffs are the melee weapon options for EA launch.

[vagrant salmon]

Wish there was a 'dark knight' class, maybe templar will have a dark ascendency tho

[pastel forge]

wonder if there will be a way to enable low life in a mom build

since that lets you use pain attunement

[static plinth]

No life reservation so rn doesnt look like it

Maybe Coward's Legacy is in the game though

[midnight bolt]

i wonder how good mastery support gems will be, +1 sk when staff gives +5 doesnt sound very good for 1 support gem

[magic prairie]

I’m wondering…Would this trigger off of lightning conduit which removes shock from enemies?

[modern tangle]

don't repeat in two channels at same time for no good reason -.-

[magic prairie]

Oh sorry didn’t realize you were a mod. Why would that matter to you whatsoever

[static plinth]

Same people in both channels

[static plinth]

It might, or you'll need 2 shocks (Stormweaver) or a second ailment type

Just reading it seems yes but it might not be that simple

[midnight bolt]

so posion chance is different mechanically from ignite chance confirmed?

🤔

[modern tangle]

idk, ailment threshold based chance to apply poison and direct chance to apply poison could both work

[midnight bolt]

if there was poison threshold wouldnt all warrior nukes in leaked footages apply poison?

[gloomy basalt]

I know there was a few questions in here (not recently) about ignite. Here is a small explanation by Jonathan Rogers

https://youtu.be/pj8FxWMf4V4?si=pU9j7kN5zX_iuB2w&t=6519

[midnight bolt]

its weird cause i saw in footage warrior skills apply bleed/ignite

but i never saw it applying psn

and we know phys dmg will be able to poison

[modern tangle]

I don't think it's intended that all phys or chaos dmg can poison. Perhaps there needs to be some base chance first, or poison tag on the skill? Wiki currently says that amount of phys/chaos dmg matters for chance but nothing else about application. https://www.poe2wiki.net/wiki/Poison
This Viperesque message groups poison with ignite and bleed for damage calculation similarities but I didn't find anything directly about the chance. #2┃general message

[maiden karma]

Honestly I think it would be better to remove physical poison, cause that shit was confusing

[midnight bolt]

could be that u need poison/chaos tag ye, we would know if we had footage of them using chaos hit spells

[modern tangle]

If I had to guess why it exists, it's so that things like this poison support have more suitable target skills to be combined with, to create new poison skills. Just a guess though.

[midnight bolt]

ya thats my plan ed/contagion with the chaos totem supported by all poisons things to get another dot instead of spell totem

[maiden karma]

I was just thinking about chaos DoT

[midnight bolt]

they still havent revealed any mechanics related to chaos spells yet tbh

[maiden karma]

None of the ascendancies so far actually have anything that boosts DoTs in any way

[midnight bolt]

like with elemental spells we know they want us to use archmage or cast on X reservation skills to "combo" many casts and do absurd dmg

but with occult skills we dont know yet

[maiden karma]

Poison hexblast sounds really fucking potent

But at that point it's a hexblast build

Could potentially go infernalist and poison/freeze/ignite with it

[midnight bolt]

hexblast needs corpses now no?

[modern tangle]

Source?

[maiden karma]

Still just a curse

[midnight bolt]

it literally says in tooltip

oh wait i cant read nvm

does it work with blasphemy? i never played it in poe1

[maiden karma]

It does in 1

But now that I look at it this one seems to be different

[midnight bolt]

hmm so if you explode them, blaspshemy will instantly apply it back

[maiden karma]

Yeah

[midnight bolt]

hugee

[maiden karma]

Hold on

[midnight bolt]

we dont know the possible curse limit in poe2 tho hmm

[thorny path]

Need 30 spirit per curse for blasphemy tho

[midnight bolt]

ya

[thorny path]

That's gonna be a lot I think

[maiden karma]

You just need 1

[midnight bolt]

and also we dont know base limit, if its still 1 and they only showed +1 curse as big keystone

[thorny path]

damage wouldn't be worth with just one curse I think

1 second cast time

seems to be a big damage button type of spell

[maiden karma]

Damage doesn't scale with curse number

[thorny path]

Each curse is an explosion I think

[maiden karma]

No

[midnight bolt]

they also confirmed that spell totem will be a meta gem...eventually, so hexblast totems might be a thing

[maiden karma]

Each enemy with a curse is an explosion

Well

This one looks completely different from 1

[modern tangle]

Hexblast dmg might not even scale from 2 curses on same enemy. 1 curse on 2 enemies though...

that stand in each other's explosion

[maiden karma]

In 1 hexblast is a single target orbital beam that becomes aoe if target is cursed

[thorny path]

It's definitely reworded compared to poe1 version

[maiden karma]

This one marks an area and detonates cursed enemies

[modern tangle]

1 second cast time for something that you have to aim at a presumably circular area?

[maiden karma]

You pick an area to delete

[modern tangle]

Would be a shame if enemies moved away from there.

[maiden karma]

They can't move away if your chaos spells hinder and freeze them

Actually

Chaos DoT chrono

[modern tangle]

Thought we might have a support that turns area spell into point blank nova and gives dmg multiplier in the process but guess not.

[maiden karma]

Reverse astral projector?

[modern tangle]

could be

[maiden karma]

I loved how in Subtractem's video you could hear sorceress talking shit about witches and necromancy

Sure would be ironic to play her as one

[midnight bolt]

wonder if this gonna works with hexblast

probably not

[vale burrow]

removing vs expiration

[tawny karma]

i heard someone say that dual wielding was reworked to now give you 40percent increased dmage or 40 percent increased atk speed ? can someone clarify this

[vale burrow]

not sure if its the same for different skills, but this is what we got as info atm

[shut ruin]

https://www.poe2wiki.net/wiki/Dual_wielding

Dual-wielding does not provide any inherent stat bonuses.
I've last heard the opposite, and the wiki also confirms that

[tawny karma]

oh wow that seems strong

[cedar river]

how many ascendancy points will we get in Poe2?

[gloomy basalt]

8

[modern tangle]

The dual wield bonus is skill-specific, that's why it's not an inherent one.

[craggy hearth]

no support for totems skills? 😦

[sterile sparrow]

spell totems coming with templar

but i think the str totems are in

[craggy hearth]

ah true thats iconic to old man with no pants ^^
guess i go shockwave then

[cedar river]

Going 1, 2 and 4 seems really strong

I'd really like to get Decimating strike as well, but Weapon Master is probably hard to give up

[elder bolt]

what does 1 do ?

[cedar river]

Grants 20 set skill points, its the special skill nodes that you can unlock with weapon skills, which chances when you swap between your two weapon sets

[midnight bolt]

not grant but convert

its not additional points

you will just have 40 mastery points while other people have 20

[cedar river]

you sure?

[midnight bolt]

yess

still really strong cause u can now play as melee+xbow

40 points is enough to grab both

(hopefully)

[cedar river]

I guess its not so imba as it sounded then, more situational which is good I guess

[midnight bolt]

20 additional points would be beyond broken consideing how strong the notables are on outer circle lol

[cedar river]

I was wondering how that would work if you refunded the ascendency point

[midnight bolt]

one way to find out

did they confirm anything about respeccing mastery points?

is it same as normal respec for gold or free

[cedar river]

Only thing I've heard is that you can't respec the ascendancy itself, atleast not at early access start

It was more expensive in PoE 1, so I would guess its more expensive here as well

but that is just a guess

[midnight bolt]

well i saw someone saying that u can respec those points freely without gold penalty

but i dont think devs confirmed anything

[cedar river]

that would be sick

[midnight bolt]

ehh good qol, they said we get these points in campaign so wont affect early game where it matters anyways

[cedar river]

Then it would be very viable to respec depending on what you wanted, kill a lot of monster? Go Decimating Strike and Zealous Inquisition. That combo would probably melt

Respec to No Mercy for bosses

Since they are both rarer and harder in maps, respecing ascendency could turn out to be the norm if its free.

[near jewel]

Do you think melee warrior will suck just like in poe1? Im on the fence between warrior and merc for a starter

[cedar river]

Looks cool, but personally monk is more tempting to me than warrior

[tranquil inlet]

Anyone know where Blood Magic is on the tree?

[cedar river]

I might actually end up testing multiple characters, before commiting to one arche type

[cedar river]

I see there are some blood red clusters in the Witch/Sorceress area, that would be my guess.

[tranquil inlet]

Ugh I hope not, I need it on my titan

[maiden karma]

Basically on the edge of str and str/int area

[midnight bolt]

it will not, according to testers will be the easiest starter class

[maiden karma]

@proper pagoda ancestral bond was nerfed to 100 spirit per totem

[cedar river]

If I remember correct Jonathan said Warrior and Monk had the highest satisfaction rate among the beta testers

[maiden karma]

Monk had the most deaths

[cedar river]

even though the monk also had the highest death rate

Looks like the Monk can get some sustain going later on though

[white niche]

what are people predicting the strongest class to be?

[cedar river]

Its fun to try to predict, but I don't think we have enough data to make good predictions yet. But I'm not at the forefront of knowledge.

[maiden karma]

Witch hunter looks very straightforward and efficient

[gloomy basalt]

Do we have any other 'fully' revealed ascendencies?

[elder bolt]

i want to try mercenary

[cedar river]

I don't think so

Monk's Acolyte of Chayula ascendancy looks like it have potential to be very strong. And stacking mana with Archmage is probably very strong as well, but not sure its a league starter

[maiden karma]

Good thing we're not starting a league on EA launch

[cedar river]

Thats a good point in many ways, there are probably some really broken builds out there

[scenic ivy]

Yeah I'm personally gonna avoid any stacker builds as my first go. Hard enough to pull off properly in poe 1 as a league starter, let alone a brand new game haha. Gonna keep it straightforward first go

I wanna see what those last infernalist nodes are to see if I wanna go minions or something else

But maybe I'll just keep a surprise for myself

[maiden karma]

Chaos DoT is so tempting, but it really needs an ascendancy that has ANY synergy with it

[short timber]

it's awkward though

archmage = spells
mana leech = attacks

[cedar river]

Ah yeh I didn't mean to combine those two

Just two different paths with potential

[short timber]

yeah for sure

i think chayula is overrated though

I have a feeling leech is gonna be shit

[cedar river]

Stacker builds might work better than expected as starter, if we are gambling on improper balance from GGG

[scenic ivy]

I feel like we only got a glimpse of the chaos and poison stuff in total. I figure we're gonna have way more with the shadow release

[cedar river]

I was originally leaning on a minion build as a starter, but I feel we have seen too little minion ascendancy skills yet

I might wait for the third witch ascendancy before going that route

[maiden karma]

Is butterdog not enough for you?

They said there won't be a dedicated minion ascendancy

[cedar river]

Yeh I know, I still think I'l wait a bit

[crimson oar]

Is there a list of all the ascendancies so far and all of their known nodes? I'm still torn on who to play first and I was hoping an overview of the ascendancies would help

[cedar river]

I think this is the most complete list, but its not very visual :
https://poe2db.tw/us/Ascendancy_class

[scenic ivy]

There's also maxroll and that post on reddit from a few days back. But that's all out of date since we've been getting trickles of new nodes

[crimson oar]

I was hoping for something like this, but I'll do. Thanks.

[scenic ivy]

https://www.reddit.com/r/PathOfExile2/comments/1gzt4g9/path_of_exile_2_ascendancy_information_so_far/

[short timber]

Invoker + Elemental Discharge is interesting

depending on how hard it hits

[scenic ivy]

Still missing some newer stuff I think

[scenic ivy]

Since elemental expression is a skill, that means you can throw supports in there to make it strongee

[short timber]

well

elemental discharge is spell only

[scenic ivy]

Oh my bad I thought you were talking about the ascendancy node

[short timber]

would make more sense in a trigger setup

yeah no worries

[proper pagoda]

bro wtf did u snitch?

who snithced on my build

pretty sure totems are unplayable at 100 spirit btw... so gg

[maiden karma]

You can have like 3

Maybe 4

[proper pagoda]

i bet u can get a lot more than that but yeah thats giga nerf

[frail jay]

I mean totems are a limit gem so you can use +limit on them baseline and ancestral bond is essentially 300 spirit for +1 totem

[proper pagoda]

i guess we all play archmage xDD

[maiden karma]

Ew

[frail jay]

considering that you can attack yourself alongside totems, it's like 300 spirit for +33% damage

doesn't seem anywhere near worth it

[proper pagoda]

well ur not gonna be capped at 300 spirit and u would prob not scale ur owna ttack either

in a totem build

i dont accept taht u cant get like 5-6 totems MINIMUM

[frail jay]

400 spirit for +40% damage doesn't seem that much better

Idk if you can hit 500 spirit

without crazy sockets

[proper pagoda]

i would bet money u can

but idk

[maiden karma]

180 base + 200 sceptre + idk how much from jewelry implicits

[proper pagoda]

but yeah unless warbringer has some juicy ascendencies i dont think totems are good atm

[frail jay]

We also don't actually know if 180 base is correct

yeah I think melee totem viability really has a lot to do with how the warbringer totem stuff works

The spirit thing could be really good

[proper pagoda]

yeah and we just only know 1 relevant node so its hard to judge but

[frail jay]

Elemental Invocation nerf

[proper pagoda]

if its not good then totems prob unplayable

[maiden karma]

There's a totem attack speed node and allegedly a +1 totem node somewhere

[frail jay]

+1 totem node makes ancestral bond even worse lol

just get 3 totems without it

I should have said ancestral bond not totems though, totems will be great because default it's free passive damage with no spirit cost

[maiden karma]

And warbringer turns the totems into moving dudes

[short timber]

btw I saw some footage of comet

it has a pretty damn big aoe

[frail jay]

Yeah Comet is good

[proper pagoda]

link me brother

[frail jay]

Triggering it to ignore cast time is very good

Its been used in a lot of different videos

[proper pagoda]

brother

happy thanksgiving to you

[short timber]

no chance i will be able to find it again haha

it was like a single cast

[proper pagoda]

np

[short timber]

got a screenshot

I realize I should have screenshotted the whole screen

[proper pagoda]

that is quite girthy

[short timber]

but it's big haha

[frail jay]

Chronomancer first thing: https://youtu.be/ZpIbaTXJD4g?t=1895

[proper pagoda]

yeah its not bad

[static plinth]

Hollup it what

[maiden karma]

I'm probably wrong

In the video above it looks like the node might just summon TotA minions from your totems

[proper pagoda]

yes u are wrong

it doesnt transform ur totem.t he summon is separate. which is infinitely better tbh

and the summon is supportable

[maiden karma]

Hmm

Now that's an idea

Minion warbringer

With utility totems

Baron would be sick in 2

[proper pagoda]

idk if that thing has minion tag

prob not but maybe

[frail jay]

I'm still hoping that generic damage mods work on minion damage in poe2

probably won't, but design wise it should

[maiden karma]

Haven't seen anyone mention this literal free sustain

[proper pagoda]

hey blood

@maiden karma

[maiden karma]

[proper pagoda]

did u see new crit support?

[maiden karma]

Which one

[proper pagoda]

idk crit damage one is 100% now

very nice for sunder

i think i ahve the most busted leveling setup possible

for campaign

[maiden karma]

Holy shit

[proper pagoda]

yeah

[maiden karma]

As if I needed any more motivation to do bloodmage sunder

[maiden karma]

This could potentially be nuts on chaos infernalist

[crimson oar]

Does this just mean that you inflict Crushed on hit?

[obsidian yew]

https://www.reddit.com/r/PathOfExile2/comments/1h1qvk8/new_witchhunter_node_from_ziggyds_video/lzgdsw4/

[molten shale]

oh : (

[maiden karma]

No, crushing blows is a new thing that increases stun buildup

[crimson oar]

ahh

What do the various skills granted by the ascendancies do? I cant find info on any of them on poe2db

[maiden karma]

Cause we don't have that info

[crimson oar]

damn

[maiden karma]

They are just collecting all the info we get from videos and stuff at the moment

[sterile latch]

wow this one is interesting

[simple ledge]

Hey im a new player and want to very roghly look at what skills i wanna use in my build at the Start of the game.
My Question is this:
I heard from various Sites that every Character "only" has 9 Skillslots.
Is that 9 Active skills? Or do the Spirit Costing passive Skills also occupy 1 Skill Slot?
Also most importantly, do Ascendancy Skills like "Demon Form" from the Infernalist Ascendancy as well as "Summon Infernal Hound" also Consume one Skillslot?

[thorny path]

Hello

1. Active skills and spirit reserving skills, or Persistent Buff skills, each take 1 skill slot. All of those slots can have up to 5 support sockets each
2. Any skill granted by an item or ascendancy does not use up a skill slot. They are in addition to the 9 default. They also can have up to 5 support sockets each

[median bronze]

If it comes from a skill gem, it takes up a skill slot. It doesn't matter if it costs mana, life, or spirit, you gain the skill by putting the gem in the skills page.

[simple ledge]

thank you, exactly what i wanted to know

[thick pecan]

Does a multiple projectiles support gem on minion snipers make the snipers fire multiple projectiles?

[maiden karma]

It should yeah

[static plinth]

Have we seen any innate life cost gems?

Ala Reap or Exsanguinate

[maiden karma]

Nope

I feel like those would probably end up being shadow's cause of the vaal thaumaturge ascendancy idea they had

[static plinth]

Holy fuck thatd be a sick ascendancy

[shrewd socket]

can you trigger "doom blast" with "hexblast"? does it work in poe 1 and if yes will it work in poe 2 cuz the tooltip says: trigger when a curse expire

any predictions?

[maiden karma]

It doesn't work in 1 because hexblast removes the curses without letting them expire

[simple ledge]

How do Trigger Skills interact with Support Gems?
If i put "Firestorm" into "Cast on Ignite" can i use the other 4 Support Gem slots to buff the "Firestorm" ?

[static plinth]

Yes

Theoretically you could also support Cast On Ignite? But idk if there'll be relevant supports for that

[simple ledge]

do the Triggered skills also cost mana ?

or is the "Firestorm" free in this case?

[static plinth]

In 1 they costed mana, presumably the same here

[simple ledge]

so in 1 they only triggered when you had enaught mana?

[light fractal]

yeah

[elder bolt]

how many ascendancy points do we get?

[restive harness]

8

[elder bolt]

ty

[midnight bolt]

wtf is this tooltip x.x is it dmg per second or total damage dealt

[native widget]

per second ig

[maiden karma]

That's the hit damage

The actual DoT is not on there

[frail jay]

I assume we'll get them eventually, but they really seem like Witch skills, which means we probably won't get them for a while since Witch doesn't have them now

[static plinth]

They're moreso Marauder skills in 1

They're like 75% strength 25% int iirc

[maiden karma]

Blood templar

[static plinth]

I think they were added when they were doing class-themed skills, like Templar getting the holy skills of Divine Ire, Smite, that one ball-lightning channeling one

Storm Burst

[frail jay]

I just think thematically they make more sense as witch, although sure I could see them being put as marauder

I feel like marauder is going to have cleave, reave, cyclone, perforate, eviscerate, frenzy, rage vortex

reap and exsanguinate probably work in that theme

maybe bladestorm, although that might be more glad

[gusty dock]

https://youtu.be/RwdWsRDr24c?si=4zoHDxkrt9Q6jqTd

[frail jay]

This looks good for blood mage right

[maiden karma]

I don't see blood magic and giant's blood there

[frail jay]

The idea is that you run MoM and Eternal Youth and EB so that you have a big mana pool and damage goes to mana first which means your life has constant recharge for the blood mage life costs

And you probably lifetap your largest mana spender

you also get to double dip your body armour since you get the ES added to your mana, and then you also get it added to your life from blood mage

I'm really just trying to figure out what class can do the best at solving mana while having good defenses for EI

[thorny path]

You taking archmage?

[frail jay]

nah it's a cold build primarily

[thorny path]

I would keep it simple and focus on the lifestack potential in that case

[frail jay]

I guess I could do archmage but I don't know how much that eats into defenses

[thorny path]

Cold spells have high crit, synergizes with that crit damage per 20 life node

[frail jay]

I mean if I just do lifestack that doesn't solve mana so bloodmage is useless

[thorny path]

Solve mana?

How is your first setup solving mana here?

[frail jay]

EB adds a ton of mana, and you put a large portion of your mana costs onto life which has constant recharge

[thorny path]

You still need mana regen

[frail jay]

I mean there's not really mana regen that you can get

besides having a larger mana pool

and like clarity if you can fit it somewhere

[thorny path]

That's not how it works, you need actual mana regen on gear

[frail jay]

Have we even seen mana regen affixes on gear?

[thorny path]

Yes

[frail jay]

There's none on the passive tree afaik

I mean mana regen more efficient with EB

compared to lifestack

Still maybe I just play infernalist who needs mana I'm on fire

how hard is it to even travel to the armour vs fire node...

god it's so far away

This is probably the best pathing

Can get RT which is kinda nice

Actually I like this more, can do RT on weapon points

[bronze crane]

whats that for RT? resolute technique?

[frail jay]

Might be that pathing through near start notables is better stat wise even though more travel points

yeah

[bronze crane]

remind me why is it good for witch?

[frail jay]

Because my build uses Incendiary Shot

Unsure if just putting in the accuracy gem will really solve accuracy

The actual pathing there is for heat proofing though which is for infernalist

[bronze crane]

id stick a spell in that crossbow

[frail jay]

huh?

[bronze crane]

Just go cast on shock or ignite setups with shock grenades to proc bunch of stuff

Spells are the only skills not require to use a weapon

[frail jay]

That's a totally different build and much weaker

[bronze crane]

Well what was your plan?

[frail jay]

It's EI Comet and the crossbow is to generate energy with incendiary shot

[bronze crane]

How about, 1% shock duration, and shock build up with every spell or attack I guess with storvewaer

[frail jay]

I mean I'll probably run an EI with BL too for shock

Stormweaver does seem like it could be good but it doesn't do anything to solve defenses or mana costs from what we've seen which are the issues I have atm

The build by itself should do crazy damage from the skills so I don't care about offense from the ascendancy

[bronze crane]

Well ye phys is prob your main issue

[frail jay]

well with the infernalist setup it's cold and lightning

with blood mage it's not any specific damage type, but more on the mana side of things

Aegis block on the tree makes GB block really attractive too and I think that's down in that area actually

[bronze crane]

How about srs with essence harvest and infernal legion for just 29.99 spirit for 500mana every rotation

[frail jay]

That's literally my idea lol, and it might not even work we don't know if minion overcap actually kills them in poe2

[static plinth]

We got Lifetap?

[frail jay]

yeah it's a support

[static plinth]

Based

[frail jay]

so you can use it on 1 spell

[static plinth]

Still 200% cost?

[bronze crane]

You could also try something with 12%recover mana on culling blow

[frail jay]

that doesn't work for bosses though

oh ew GB is so far away

[static plinth]

When Huntress comes out do y'all think Cast On Crit or something Spearfield will be real or meme

[frail jay]

bleh

[static plinth]

Glancing Blows?

[frail jay]

yeah

I'm not sure about CoC, I feel like the description is wrong, in the same way EI might be

[bronze crane]

Basically go for max accuracy demon hunter convert your accuracy to attack speed find a crossbow with flat to all elements and play that with pen lol

[frail jay]

flat to elements isn't a thing

But accuracy stacking crossbow will probably work fine sure

[bronze crane]

Well mirror tier equivalent to poe 1 bow

[frail jay]

oh shit they moved GB

it's way closer to this tree

wait that's sick

I'm 100% playing infernalist

[sterile stone]

i wonder if its reliable to have defensive nodes on the 2nd tree like MoM or this how it meant to be played

[frail jay]

Reliable? Definitely not. Doable for SC? sure

Just put it on the tree you'll spend most of your time in

or you can put like type-specific leech on one tree

[sterile stone]

yeah like im planning minion, they gonna snapshot the minion tree so i can just go defense on the 2nd one that cast skills

[frail jay]

Actually now that I think about it the block stuff won't work when I have the crossbow out

well it's mostly there for bosses

[sterile stone]

i guess we can still manually wep swap X?

[frail jay]

yeah

[sterile stone]

well there ya go block on demand

[frail jay]

It's more about the consistency

but incendiary shot is OP so oh well

God this is so good it makes me want to drop incendiary shot kinda...

[sterile stone]

maybe its possible to do ignite build

theres so much dodging mechanics

minion for ez mode

or totem builds

[frail jay]

it's not an ignite build, incendiary shot is for energy

ignite will definitely be good though

If I was gonna play ignite I would probably do chronomancer

from what I've currently seen

[sterile stone]

wouldnt it be demon sorc

[frail jay]

If I did it on infernalist I would do minion ignite

Idk what I would do with demon form, probably not ignite

demon form is also probably bait and will be absolute dogshit on launch and I highly recommend not playing it

it deletes your weapons

[sterile stone]

yeah im just playing it safe, waiting till people comeup with something esp without PoB, i so cooked if i just try shit out

[frail jay]

Things that look 100% good atm to me: Bloodmage Archmage, Anything with EI (assuming EI works the way the tooltip currently says), Totem Warbringer (no ancestral bond)

[sterile stone]

any bow build will deff works fine lul

[frail jay]

I mean anything "works" I'm talking about things that will be very strong mechanically

[sterile stone]

eh not anything, what if someone tried something like poison lash kekw

was such a bait

[frail jay]

yeah idk how I feel about poison in poe2

looks like poison pf might be good but it's hard to tell

[pastel forge]

Archmage ball lightning seems like the most 1 button build in the game tbh, in terms of poe1-ness

The lack of cd abilities doesn't help either for spells in general

[neat dew]

Speculation

[frail jay]

I mean if they fix the weapon thing sure

but right now it removes your weapons

if you have a 200 spirit sceptre giving you 4 reservation skills and a mainhand with +3 gem levels it just turns that off when you transform

it happened in the content reveal and jonathan talked about it on one of the interviews, when they transformed it unsummoned all of their minions because they were getting spirit for them from a sceptre

and jonathan said he wasn't sure if it should work that way but that's how it currently works

[frail jay]

I feel like you'll still want a bunch of other skills, you can probably 1 button a lot of things but there's plenty of stuff you can add for extra power

Rune of power, mana tempest, EI at bare minimum

probably some freeze too

[pastel forge]

Have to see how sustainable or necessary mana tempest will be

Juiced up ball lightning with CoC/CoS with arc + chain and maybe 1-2 curses seems like all you need tbh

And maybe elemental equilibrium? with any fire spell to trigger to further buff lightning

[frail jay]

You might not need to sustain mana tempest just pop it during burst

it's like 60% more damage

[pastel forge]

I suppose yea, but it does seem the closest to being a viable poe1 playstyle

[frail jay]

sure yeah

I mean EI might be self sustaining

[pastel forge]

With melee and xbow, you see much more opportunity for cycling through skills

[frail jay]

it's kinda hard to tell atm, tooltips might not be accurate

[pastel forge]

What's ei btw

[frail jay]

I mean corrupting cry also might be pretty 1button if it stacks and is actually a build

elemental invocation

[pastel forge]

Ah ok

Well ei will also have to depend on how much spirit gems you get to utilize at all

Archmage already takes up 100

[frail jay]

I mean I wouldn't use archmage with EI

But endgame spirit with a sceptre is like 400-500 spirit

and that's before reservation nodes/uniques

EI costs 60

although my EI setup would have like 2-4 EIs

[pastel forge]

I'm assuming you aren't likely to get spellcaster passives on sceptres tho

[frail jay]

eh who cares spirit is broken

plus it's probably doable without a sceptre

[pastel forge]

The power sigil skill seems pretty important, on top of things like +5 lightning gems, cast spell, spell crit etc etc

[frail jay]

I mean for archmage sure

again, not archmage

and it's also a build where you have way more than enough damage

you mostly need defense and to solve mana

[pastel forge]

Well worse come to worse, you can use lifetap to redirect more of the casting cost to life, assuming archmage

Err bloodmage

[frail jay]

Yeah but I'm not gonna do archmage with EI

Yeah if I do bloodmage I will lifetap my comet EI probably since I will likely use that the most and it will cost a ton

because it will have the expensive damage supports

Comet costs a SHITLOAD of mana

it's like 4x more expensive than other spells at the same level

[pastel forge]

But yea what I'm saying is based on archmage ball lightning, which they have showcased to work as a 1 button build from what little they have shown (breach footage + the archmage teaser)

[frail jay]

Yeah bloodmage archmage whatever will probably be very straightforward

there's even like damage per int, damage per mana, crit per life, etc

it just has a ton of synergy

[pastel forge]

Lightning% per 10int yea

That's why I'm hesitant to use much of other elements

I'm curious how strong manaflare actually is tho

No dmg details on the gem itself

The flame wall interaction they've shown is cool but it doesn't seem like that effect can be augmented

[frail jay]

yeah it's a tiny amount like poe1 I think

also it probably doesn't scale well

god I hate the new passive tree

[cursive temple]

Ok so new player here.
Want to build a 2h focus warrior. Kinda "Guts" style. Would that be viable or doable?
Any tips you want to throw my way?

[pastel forge]

Just play a straightforward warrior, titan ascension

[sick breach]

No one knows how builds will be other than what is described in the devs' End Game Reveal video and what Xallista said.

[sharp cedar]

do we know what rage does?

[modern tangle]

Swords will come later so you'll have to settle for 2-h mace. There's a Rage mechanic you might want to use. Supposedly there's spirit gem (buff skill) called Berserk but we don't know what it does...

[modern tangle]

We don't 100% know but basically same as poe1 is expected. Check it out on poe2wiki and poewiki.

[eternal meadow]

Do we know if Mirage Archer is in PoE2?

[modern tangle]

We haven't seen it, and I believe https://poe2db.tw/us/Ranger#Ranger contains all the skill gems shown for Bow recently.

I would consider it fairly iconic, so maybe later during EA.

[eternal meadow]

I plan to start grenadier and I'm now considering going bow on switch instead of 2h mace. Mirage Archer would be great with Tornado Shot and also Snipe skill feels really good, especially when comboed with Barrage

[sterile latch]

does it really work like that ? mana flare ?

[modern tangle]

Note that both bow's Gas Arrow and xbow's Stormblast Bolts create things that can be blown up with detonator skills like bow's Detonating Arrow or xbow's Explosive Shot, or by igniting enemies. Maybe something to play around with. (There are also minions that do that combo.)

[modern tangle]

IIRC it's not common to add new tags to skills in poe1 like Last Epoch might do but we'll have to test...

The mana flare triggered is fire, not the spell that triggers it.

[zealous swift]

you can't add tags to skills in poe1 at all

[eternal meadow]

Origianlly I planned to have 2h mace on switch to just have Hammer of the Gods as burst on bosses, but bow looks more combo-y and synergistic with crossbow. If only I could use crossbow while riding rhoa 😔

[light fractal]

vaal adds duration on most auras, unless you meant supports modifying tags

[zealous swift]

i guess if you put it like that, but it's more of creating a new skill with a vaal orb, and that skill happens to have different tags

[cursive temple]

Ty for the answer!

[tawny karma]

can someone explain to me how support gems like this would work?

like i want to be able to give this buff to myself and my duo partner is this possible and how?

[zealous swift]

this seems like it only affects you either way

[modern tangle]

You put support gems into slots in the skill gem so they affect the skill. This one is supposed to be put into a persistent buff skill. And yes, it's for yourself.

[tawny karma]

yeah thats what i was afraid of , so there are no real auras yet? for buffing us both?

[zealous swift]

pretty sure there will be auras, i think there's discipline revealed already?

[light fractal]

looks like auras only affect allies, so it would buff your duo but not you

but the persistent supports would affect you and not them

[sterile latch]

There is Malice too, affecting self technically only enemies but you benefit from it directly :d

[light fractal]

idk how it evens out

[zealous swift]

perhaps they want auras to be used for group play more, or for any sort of allies, rather than just a bunch of self buffs

like in poe1

[tawny karma]

malice would also buff my partner right? assuming they would crit

[zealous swift]

malice affects enemies, so yeah

[modern tangle]

Discipline and Malice are teased in this video. Note the skills come from a Sceptre so someone has to compromise their weapons to hold one. It does work in off-hand too AFAIK. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pGYR-HOB52I

[tawny karma]

i rly hope they have some aura's tough , i rly love auras

[grim plume]

Is it really a compromise if your build is minions/allies

[modern tangle]

Mark who plays support a lot has said it's usually more active now like armour breaking enemies, doing curses/marks and building up cc thresholds. Auras aren't extinct but more limited. Maybe we'll get more when templar comes.

[modern tangle]

No, there it is more style choice since you're not using a sceptre that gives spirit = more minions. Quality vs quantity.

[light fractal]

yeah either for aura stackers (cause neon loves aura stackers) or for minion builds
looks like they want spirit to have unique purposes for different builds

[dim heron]

if i remove spirit for darkness, can i use spirit skills?

[modern tangle]

Unlikely with the way it is worded.

[tawny karma]

what exactly does "prevented" included in this?

[modern tangle]

Like when armor prevents some damage from a physical hit you take.

[tawny karma]

ok so mitigation stuff is also included

[modern tangle]

it is only the mitigated dmg

[tawny karma]

got it! thankx!

[vivid bobcat]

Any chrobomamcer builds

[modern tangle]

Yeah, you take the timestop and bonk during it.

[granite kettle]

Is using Temporal Rift for infinite mana regen a strat? 🤔

With "less duration" support, you'd only go back in time 2 seconds or so, could be nice while bossing.

[modern tangle]

I would expect it to have a significant cooldown. Instead of regen, it's like spending mana in a burst then pressing the button before the 2-3 seconds are over.

[granite kettle]

It doesn't have any cooldown in PoE1.

[modern tangle]

Isn't the effect completely different there?

[granite kettle]

I don't think, I think it's pretty much identical.