2┃build-planning

[sterile latch]

yeah idk, just play witchunter, one auto for 30% then unload your ammo, culling gg 😂

[granite kettle]

Yea, but PoE1 =/= PoE2.

Ailments are totally different already.

[frail jay]

I mean they're pretty obviously gonna cost mana in poe2

[granite kettle]

🤷‍♂️

[frail jay]

would be crazy strong if they didnt

[granite kettle]

Not if you can't generate Energy that fast.

[frail jay]

energy is just to balance cast times

[granite kettle]

Maybe.

[frail jay]

not maybe

they cost mana

[granite kettle]

Ah yeah, I got you.

I was looking at Cast on Shock, which has another mechanic to slow down energy generation.

EI doesn't have that limitation.

[frail jay]

Yeah I feel like we're gonna find it does have that limitation when they datamine the predownload though

Because otherwise it's kinda broken

[granite kettle]

Or they will patch it day 2. xd

[frail jay]

But if it remains having no limitation on ailment energy procs from a single skill, and works with procs from triggered skills, yeah 100% starting that

[sterile latch]

yeah no way EI stays that superior to the other cast on

[frail jay]

because all the cast on X triggers only get 1 energy proc per selfcast cast, and doesn't work at all with ailments from triggers

[granite kettle]

EI is self cast, though, not a pure trigger.

[frail jay]

yeah that's true, it might be intentional due to that

which makes it crazy strong if true

[granite kettle]

Yup. ^^

[frail jay]

Also wondering if Incendiary Shot will be worth using to generate energy

[granite kettle]

For EI, Stormweaver seems like a more aligned archetype. You get tons of shock generation with all elements.
Although I do get why you like Infernalist with the free mana.

[frail jay]

Yeah it's really an issue of being able to sustain mana on the other classes

maybe you can idk

[native widget]

Get the mana regen support

[frail jay]

it's like 20% increased regen lol

oh also infernalist can abuse mana tempest

better than the other classes

[granite kettle]

Tempest is a bit bait if you need to keep moving.

[frail jay]

huh?

Are you thinking of rune of power?

[granite kettle]

I mean, you need to keep dodging boss abilities.

Or move from pack to pack.

The tempest is static.

[frail jay]

???

Oh interesting

well it has a 1sec cd

can just recast it

[granite kettle]

It's like Tempests in PoE1 I suppose.

[granite kettle]

Yeah, possibly.

Or trigger tempest so it auto casts every now and then, and you get a burst of damage.

[frail jay]

oh yeah that should work too

Just put it in EI lol

[granite kettle]

You can't put 18 skills in EI. xD

You need some supports too. ^^

[frail jay]

I mean you can

just run 3 EIs

[sterile latch]

hope this game wont be like LE with unending chain reaction, auto trigger etc 🤢

[frail jay]

Maybe I'll run 5 EIs, who's gonna stop me

[granite kettle]

No, but for each EL, you should probably go for 1 spell + 4 supports.

You're already losing a link by going EI.

[frail jay]

Yeah but you get super unleash

[granite kettle]

Your max spirit. xD

[frail jay]

You can get at least 287 spirit

probably more

[granite kettle]

Spirit reservation efficiency might be a thing also.

But I doubt it.

Given how it's designed.

[frail jay]

I think it is yes

I saw someone mentioned they saw passive nodes in some playthrough with it

[granite kettle]

You can run 8 EI, then!

[frail jay]

And incendiary shot

[sterile latch]

what would you even do with 180spirit playing warrior for example ?

[frail jay]

I mean ancestral bond always an option

infinite totems, they just cost 50 spirit each

[sterile latch]

hmm yeah

[granite kettle]

Any trigger

[frail jay]

EI is "Gains 25 Energy when you Ignite an Enemy" and Incendiary shot shoots 10 projectiles that always ignite and can all hit the same target. Just add multiproj and chain and get 48 ignites with 1 click

Good way to fill all your EIs

[sterile latch]

yes but spells suck with warrior

[real hornet]

I know that it's a lot easier to do autocasting builds in poe 2, but man I miss when herald of thunder actually worked

[frail jay]

They kinda killed herald of thuunder in poe2

have to actually kill the enemy

probably still ok for clear I guess maybe

[real hornet]

well storm secret was how you didn't need the kill

also that seems nice of a node

for bottom tree enjoyers

[frail jay]

yeah although apparently leech is worse

we'll have to see how much worse

I guess base leech only lasts 1 second per instance now

[real hornet]

I take it that this is the expectation from removing spell suppression

[real hornet]

it was 5 for poe1 though

[frail jay]

4 I think?

[real hornet]

no, it's 5

10 with slayer

[frail jay]

oh yeah

Chonk OP

[real hornet]

which is why slayer was the funny champ I played when I just wanted to steamroll the game as some leaguestarter when I didn't know what I wanted and do some bow slayer build

[real hornet]

tbh, if the max is still 95%, with some heavy investment, that means you'd only have to count out 20 sequential hits and purposefully take that 20th one in a boss fight haha

[frail jay]

I mean it probably makes overflow really good

[real hornet]

because for some reason, poe does sequential chance for evading mechanics

like yeah I get it, it's rather funny to watch 95% evasion math net instances where they never take damage for 10 minutes straight

[rain magnet]

Do we have any info on how Ignite works in PoE 2? Looked around quite a bit, but can't find anything on it.

[real hornet]

search for the word magnitude in this channel and look at where I mention DoT

[frail jay]

Viperesque said that you get 25% ignite chance per 100% ailment threshold done by the final hit

Unsure what magnitude does

[real hornet]

if you played warframe though... it works like octavia's mallet

but doesn't do damage till it actually procs even if the damage isn't wasted

though honestly because of magnitude, it can actually be benficial to not have a ton of chance to ignite

[frail jay]

I mean if I had to guess how it works, any time you deal damage that can inflict ignite it applies ignite magnitude based on the ailment threshold. Any time you deal damage that can inflict ignite it adds the existing magnitude, and then you get 25% ignite chance for every 100% magnitude, and when a skill finally ignites it gets the magnitude added on

[real hornet]

since guaranteed ignites will only base off that single hit, and you'll have a duration of low damage ignite at that point, but could be good to stack with a low ignite chance rapid hitting ability so it initially damages and then builds up the stronger ignite

[frail jay]

idk if rapid hitting matters since I would guess the magnitude is based on the size of the hit as well

[real hornet]

I at some point used the infernalist ascendancy and the tooltips to explain how ignites build up to the damage, based on the magnitude... that word means how fucking hard it hits. Think of it like a battery when you have 10% chance to ignite for example, it will add the damage of the hit to a count, and then after the chance hits 100%, it will do the DoT based on the counter that had stacked the hits of damage

this mostly just makes DoT base off hits instead of only building DoT in poe1 because hits didn't do anything for them

which I get how that was an issue, and thus the magnitude system allows you to have an ignite do damage based off the cumulative hits of various ability usage when it ends up proccing

whether that's 3 abilities or 1, they will essentially combine like you are adding charge to a battery

[frail jay]

Yeah I just don't think there's a difference between rapid hitting or not

[real hornet]

that would relate to how long the duration of your ignites are tbh

% chance won't change the damage it does based on your dps, but you ideally want the duration to end by the time the chance builds up from your comboing

[frail jay]

I mean if you hit once per second for 100 damage or twice per second for 50 damage when you proc ignite the damage is gonna be the same right?

[real hornet]

100 damage and 100% chance vs 50 and 50% chance would net the same damage, yes

[frail jay]

the chance is based on the damage

idk if flat chance is a thing anymore

[real hornet]

which is why having the duration run out right as you hit enough to make the chance hit 100% again imo would be the highest ignite dps

[frail jay]

outside of incendiary bolt

[real hornet]

it's not, I'm using that for the dum dums

[rain magnet]

Okay, so - if I used Incendiary Bolt, and I ignited a single enemy with every bolt (hitting them point blank), every bolt would contribute to the ignite?

[real hornet]

you wouldn't want to reduce the threshold or increase the duration, given your dps, etc... basically it means you can tweak your passive points in relation to your damage

[frail jay]

Huh, well I'm still curious how the math looks because it sounds like every fire build would basically just get ignite DPS relative to their hit DPS as is which sounds kinda silly, the only difference being ignite-specific supports and passives

But just a bunch of free ignite damage for playing fire

[real hornet]

if you end up not being able to keep the ignite active, you need more damage, better threshold, or longer duration, basically

if you reapply it much earlier than the duration ending, you do the opposite

[frail jay]

I mean is it not like PoE1 where you can reapply ignite and the higher damage ignite will do damage?

[real hornet]

yes, it would apply the higher ignite, but this is in regard to wasting points when you don't need it

and also applying a higher ignite would obviously end up proccing faster than the duration ending, thus being identical and telling you that you don't need as much ailment threshold

poison is where it gets complicated, so I'm not gonna bother with that lol

them and their "poison doesn't stack infinitely but hey you can get 4 or 6 stacks or something" good luck getting the timings right on that

[frail jay]

I mean if you have points invested in ignite threshold

Could be that you just proc it faster from pure hits with no investment

[real hornet]

or ignite duration

[frail jay]

I guess that would be some minimum threshold of hit dps relative to hp of enemy

[real hornet]

also even if I hate accuracy since it inherently makes mages superior to attackers...
it doesn't apply if you take these I guess

[frail jay]

ignite is in most cases going to be a certain % of mob HP DPS since it procs based on a certain % of HP that is always the same

on bosses at least

[real hornet]

one minute, I'll show something

[frail jay]

I've read poison in 2 stacks default and there's a passive for +1 and a support gem for +1 and PF has double stacks so they can get 8

[frail jay]

yeah I've seen that, what about it?

[real hornet]

since chance is essentially threshold and ailment threshold are things, they both can end up making ignites very very strong

even if it seems like a situation of only ignite damage being impossible in poe2, it's still technically there

[frail jay]

I mean let's say threshold is 5%. With that staff when you do magnitude equal to 5% of HP you have a 50% chance to get a 5% ignite, and when you do magnitude equal to 10% of HP you have a 100% chance to get a 10% ignite

Well yeah you can get a lot of ailment threshold stuff to get more magnitude and then the ignite is based on a % of HP basically

Writing it out that does sound annoying if you hit the 5% multiple times and keep overwriting your DoT with a new 5% ignite instead of missing an ignite proc and getting a 10% ignite

[real hornet]

if you go allin on ignite, you can probably get ignites into dealing a lot more damage than the hits

[frail jay]

I feel like we probably don't fully understand the system

[real hornet]

also you can in a way consider ignite to be % max health damage when it procs, but to proc, you need to mess with the stats and have enough hit damage

or just hit enough to proc it by doing the % damage for it to thus also help

so I guess ignite in poe2 is probably gonna be like a stronger culling strike

[tranquil inlet]

I've been thinking about ignite too. I'm planning a crossbow titan that uses frag rounds and flashbangs to stun, then does a mega slam for a massive aoe ignite

[frail jay]

So basically for EI firestorm and solar orb are useless, and I should just use incendiary shot is what I'm getting out of this

hammer ignite should be good

[real hornet]

since I plan on playing infernal, I'll be figuring out ignite builds, so I am bothering only because of that. Unfortunately the third ascendancy wasn't released for a specter build

[frail jay]

especially if there's a duration refresher like poe1

My current plan is infernal EI comet/BL

[real hornet]

that or stormweaver

because new spark doesn't make my fps fall off a cliff

[frail jay]

actually if I take the magnitude node in infernal I can get big ignites for free

new spark seems bad though

unless there's some way to get a lot of pierce on it

[real hornet]

perhaps, but I like bounce things

[frail jay]

pierce support kinda sucks

I guess mana tempest would give it fork

just do infernal mana tempest

[real hornet]

also the sheer amount of people that are talking about infernal mana bar and then proceeding to mention mana related things is rather cringe to watch

does anyone understand what the word replace means

[frail jay]

well I mean it's a mechanic that lets you bypass mana costs in some ways of course people will look at the mana stuff

[real hornet]

if mana is a word, it is no longer a word when you REPLACE your mana bar for something that bases off the maximum mana alone

[frail jay]

Idk if there's anything more cringe than what you're doing lol

It doesn't replace costs, it replaces spending

[real hornet]

another one bites the dust

[frail jay]

just read lifetap or blood magic

the wording is different

Plus even if it did replace the cost itself, it would still work for the damage portion

which is very big

so every non-minion infernalist will use it regardless

But anyways it's worded like EB

Spend Energy Shield before Mana for Skill Mana Costs

EB doesn't make your skills cost ES

It makes your skills spend ES

[real hornet]

since we've had some lovely conversations, my friend. I would like to ask you what happens when you highlight a sentence, and type in a different sentence? (this is what we call replacing) Do you still say the same thing or is it something else? Meaning the conversations we could have had about mana related interactions are now replaced with this thing called pyro meter.

and that pyro meter happens to say idgaf to your mind over matter or anything else that uses this strange word called mana

[frail jay]

What you typed doesn't matter, this is about PoE game mechanics not your interpretation of the word replace that doesn't even appear in the tooltip

"Gain Infernal Flame instead of spending Mana for skill costs"

"Spend Energy Shield before Mana for Skill Mana Costs"

It replaces spending, but won't change the skill cost

the skill will still cost mana

Therefore "Buff causes Beams from Lightning Spells that Cost Mana to also Chain to +2 targets" will still work

But then lifetap/blood magic has "Skills Cost Life instead of Mana"

That actually changes the resource of the cost

[real hornet]

"what you typed doesn't matter" and he called me cringe, well I'll let you dream I guess.

[frail jay]

I mean you were incredibly cringe calling me cringe in the first place because even if they have inconsistent wording and it doesn't cost mana, you still get "Buff causes Spells to gain 58% of Damage as Extra Lightning Damage"

Which is massive

And basically free with infernalist

[real hornet]

imagine if there was this new resource to replace mana like eldritch battery and also had this funny word called "instead"

[frail jay]

Says instead of spending like EB says before spending, hard to tell how it will work

[real hornet]

sure I can see why you are confused because it gains instead of costs in the language, but replacing a resource type is identical to the drawbacks of eldritch battery

[frail jay]

again regardless, damage boost is still huge

so it's not cringe to mention mana related things when they give you massive nearly free damage boosts

[real hornet]

the language isn't even that difficult to understand that it replaces the state type of the resource to a pyro meter... as a developer I know that shit which requires it to cost mana isn't going to work for that alone, but it just had to also give you some hope by explaining that you gain the cost instead of take the cost, showcasing the new resource works differently, not telling you that it is still mana

[frail jay]

I'm not even using it on a build that would use the cost requirement parts anyways

It replaces your mana with a pyro meter, but it's not certain that it replaces your skill mana costs with pyro gain, or whether your skills cost mana and then you gain pyro equal to that amount when using them

[real hornet]

how about it instead say replace mana with life bar, and gain life instead of spending mana for skill costs, as dumb as that sounds, it might actually help you

[frail jay]

yeah that isn't clear that the cost is replaced

whether the cost is replaces or not is important mechanically for other interactions, things that affect mana costs speficially don't apply to lifetapped skills for instance

[real hornet]

pyro is the resource... just like life is the resources... you cannot cost mana if pyro is the new resource pool, just like skills can't gain benefits of mana cost if they gain or lose life from the life resource

[frail jay]

you can have skills that cost mana while not having a mana pool and the spending can be replaced

blood magic has multiple lines for this reason

[real hornet]

I am honestly trying to help you here in saying that it being called pyro is very bad for what you want to do

[frail jay]

Removes all mana
Skills Cost Life instead of Mana

These are 2 different lines

You could have just the first one

it wouldn't suddenly change your costs

[sterile latch]

do channelled spell snapshot in poe ?

[frail jay]

no

[sterile latch]

nice

[frail jay]

DoT debuffs snapshot, and in PoE2 weapons used to cast skills will snapshot if you weapon swap after and the skill is still dealing damage

[sterile latch]

hmm yeah makes sense

[real hornet]

even since poe1 changed it to more duration support, stormburst DoT became extremely broken

random fun build you may want to try

since DoT is snapshot

[proper pagoda]

what does rage do again in poe 2?

[flint flume]

If I want to do poison, do you think I'd be gimping myself trying poison hexblast chayula monk instead of just going pathfinder?

[static plinth]

You gain the benefits of spending mana by spending Energy Shield. Infernal Flame follows Eldritch Barrier's wording and should act the same

[short timber]

i wonder if archmage is bait

MoM 50% recharge rate is rough

[bronze crane]

i wonder how infernal flame work with mind over matter, which it shouldnt but still

like you cast spell your infernal flame goes up, you get hit to reduce it so you dont get burn by it

[trail lynx]

i dont think so

if it worked like old archmage support it would be bait but if you can reduce the amount of mana used for skills it should be fine

[short timber]

well yeah ofc you can

but there's no ascendancy that benefits mana stacking inherently

[trail lynx]

we still are missing 1 ascendancy per revealed class

and still havent seen templar

prolly will have something

[short timber]

yeah I mean on release

obviously templar will prob have mana stuff

[native widget]

wait so from the wording on lightning warp, does that mean you can only cast it on enemies?

[unkempt kindle]

MoM monk i guess

[native widget]

MoM dark monk seems really OP rn

[unkempt kindle]

Yah i think i might do that

Depends on how much leech we can get tho

[native widget]

unless they make it impossible to get both hp and mana leech, it will be op

[cosmic plinth]

demon + minions

[unkempt kindle]

Just go es

[native widget]

nah chrono minionmancer

[unkempt kindle]

If you go chayula you dont go life

[cosmic plinth]

chronomancer archemage 👆

[unkempt kindle]

You get as much es leech as you get mana leech

[native widget]

you can convert life leech to mana leech

and do MoM

[unkempt kindle]

MoM + ES xd

[midnight bolt]

hmm i just realized since stun isnt based on hp anymore both hp and es builds are in the same situation where they need to build up anti-stun tools

like threshold/charms etc

[maiden karma]

Just dodge

[native widget]

real

fuck it just play deadeye tornado shot 0 defense in hardcore

you cant die if you dont get hit

[maiden karma]

I already almost never played evasion builds, but now with 1 portal it's even more unappealing

[shrewd flax]

Hey guys, I have a question, never played the game so correct me if I’m wrong please. The game is gender locked, but i have read somewhere that any class can be anything they want, like you can make your Warrior class to be more like Sorcerer, is that true?

[viscid radish]

Short version: yes and no

Long version: the overall skill tree is the same regardless of your base archetype, just that the starting point on said tree is different
For example, sorcerer like classes (int) will start of with nodes which have easier access to stuff like mana, ES, spell damage
Melee should have access to armour, life, phys attack, etc
Dex build have access to crit, evasion, etc
And so on... Basically, if you path it proprly, even a tank can play as a caster

But... You spend a lot more nodes while pathing to those specific nodes so there are some trade offs

Hmmm... Well the long version is more like medium version, since the actual mechanics are quite a bit more in depth than this

But I believe you get the gist of it? @shrewd flax

Which is why I said yes and no... Yes it's possible to have any archetype play any class, but no because of the pathing tradeoffs not to mention ascendancy tradeoffs, now those hit big

You have Witch - Occultist - Hexblast build and also Shadow - Tickster - Hexblast build, Shadow Saboteur Trickster build

Similarly you have various Warrior lightning builds, witch lightning builds, templar lightning builds, etc... Each have their own pros and cons

[pastel forge]

I wonder if giants blood let you dual wield staves or nah

I mean it's probably too far to be worth it for casters

Oh nvm, didn't realize there was a description for str weapons only

[proper pagoda]

is there fire leech/fire attack damag eleech accessible anywhere? is there a rune for that?

[tacit kayak]

What is MoM an abbreviation of?

[granite kettle]

Mind over Matter

[tacit kayak]

Cool ty! @granite kettle

[maiden karma]

It's not actually that far, and has blood magic & avatar of fire along the way, but as you already found out it doesn't work on staves

[pastel forge]

Do you happen to know if witch has easy access to general/spell crit nodes?

[maiden karma]

No idea

[pastel forge]

Thanks

Hopefully we get access to the full tree before EA

[maiden karma]

Dreamcore has been showing off some interesting nodes starting from str side and going counter clockwise

[pastel forge]

Yea been watching his vids

[maiden karma]

Int should be later today

[pastel forge]

Witch and sorc nodes should be near each other I suppose

[spark silo]

even though we don't technically know, this is almost 100% going to be the case

spell crit will lean towards the str/int side of the tree

[maiden karma]

Str/int interests me the most, and of course it has to be the last area he'll cover

[neat dew]

The ricochet off walls from merc seems like a must have for any ranged class

[pastel forge]

Crit bloodmage seems like the most obvious build out there lmao

[maiden karma]

Why

Don't be a dingus and just hit them directly

[neat dew]

Potentially doubling damage on the same target, or at least enhancing aoe for better clearing

Everything the sorc shoots could hit a second time

[maiden karma]

Chain never hits the same target again

[spark silo]

wall ricochet has the potential to be broken... rember old spark?

[pastel forge]

The ricochet node from merc seems to stack with the initial hit?

Quite a number of boss arenas are walled up so there's potential for sure

[maiden karma]

What does the node say

[spark silo]

can you send a ss or link

[maiden karma]

Does it specify that it chains off walls?

[pastel forge]

It's the one in the reveal showcase for passives

[spark silo]

I figured I just don't feel like looking it up rn lol

[pastel forge]

It would be pretty pointless if that wall bounce doesn't hit the same target imo, hard to tell from the showcase

[neat dew]

Well not pointless, because you would still have increased aoe by ricochet but it would be less interesting for the classes that already have plenty of aoe like sorc

But yeah, less strong for sure

[pastel forge]

It does seem to fit xbow/bow skills better

[neat dew]

I mean, it's there for a reason

Still could be interesting to pick up as another class

[spark silo]

pointless for single target, but not for clear

[pastel forge]

I guess I was looking at it from a caster perspective, since there are plenty of options to cover for aoe already, unless that notable is near by useful spell nodes as well

[spark silo]

it'd probably still be technically useful for casters, but I doubt it will be close enough to other useful caster nodes to be worth it

[pastel forge]

Crit nodes are welcome as well

Bloodmage probably just needs to chase after crit chance/spell dmg nodes since gore spike covers cdmg

[mental basin]

has there been a reveal of what each individual attribute will give per point?

[modern tangle]

yes, poe2wiki has the attribute effects

[solid sequoia]

If they let it bounce off the walls and not chain the target that would be stupid

[pastel forge]

well like others have said, it would mean its more of an mob-clearing notable instead of a bossing one

passive piercing on its own also helps with aoe in general without the bounce

[solid sequoia]

From a gameplay perspective it would be redundant if it's either rather than both

[fathom hazel]

Do we know if we have mines or ballistas here?

I mean support gems or main active gems

[pastel forge]

merc showcase had ballista supports, not sure if that's the same thing

no mines shown so far

[scenic ivy]

Note that mines/traps ARE coming though, they did a showcase of the trap rework during exilecon last year

[rustic mango]

I hope Druid comes out soon after release

[proper pagoda]

Ballista support can work on any skill? I thought it was artillery ballista?

[pastel forge]

yea i meant the artillery ballistas shown, i dont think we have the one from poe1 shown anywhere

[maiden karma]

Wonder if you can do CoC curses

[scenic ivy]

Don't think so, curses aren't spells

[maiden karma]

I'm a bit concerned about blasphemy vulnerability

Like if you consume broken armour, is it gonna refresh its own break immediately or just do nothing anymore

Cause an aura that permanently lowers the amount of how much you need to break sounds really fucking strong

[scenic ivy]

Guess it really depends on how strong vuln is and how strong breaking armour overall is

[proper pagoda]

It's strong

But not that strong. Armour break is prob very easy

And it's all about break points. At best it saves u 1-2 casts of armour breaker

[zealous bison]

Does anyone know if a Fireball build is viable? and if so would a hit based or ignite be better?

[modern tangle]

We've seen fireball mixed into various footage so why not.
Ignite damage depends on the hit damage that applied it, so the difference is not strict. You stack effects and modifiers for both hit and ignite, and leaning towards one is preference.

[wintry condor]

MoM? what's that stand for?

[daring jay]

Where cyclone at? ;(

[midnight bolt]

no cyclone allowed

[daring jay]

;(

they said its gonna come with another class but its gonna be a while

[midnight bolt]

all 1 button andies will play sorc

[vale burrow]

mind over matter, it is "damake taken to mana before life

[shut ruin]

Mind over matter ( https://www.poewiki.net/wiki/Community_shorthand )

[proper pagoda]

Archimage lightning conduit cash on shock ball lightning. Thoughts?

Is Mom even good for archimage now though? I feel like it was better at 50 percent. I feel without omega mana recovery, it will be scuffed

[proven rapids]

I'm wondering now, why would anyone not play damaging ailment in poe2 if it incentive everyone to increase damage hit anyway ? If you see what I mean

[midnight bolt]

there is absolutely no way to know anyhing abt either since there werent any reveals to mana sustain for spells

[midnight bolt]

they dont scale with crit tho

[proven rapids]

They do

[midnight bolt]

no

[proven rapids]

That's the thing

Yes

[proven rapids]

They explicitly said that crit gives you more damage, contributing to ailment damage magnitude

[proven rapids]

Yes, as I said, crit make your hits bigger so you're more likely to inflict ignite and to do more damage with ignite because your hit will be bigger

[gloomy basalt]

I don’t think they wanted you to purely build around the ailment or restrict the ailment to builds that crit a lot, so they moved it to all dmg has a chance to inflict, but crits have a higher chance and produce higher damaging magnitudes (ignite).

[proper pagoda]

Pretty much everything scales ailments now. Including crit. Anything afaik that scales the hit, scales the ailment

[gloomy basalt]

Did I hear we cannot respec ascendencies?

[proven rapids]

You cannot change ascendency, you can respect ascendency point

Choose wisely

[reef kelp]

Does crown of eyes+rathpith work how I think It does?

[thorny path]

#1┃build-planning

[reef kelp]

I'm debating on 2 different starter builds for poe 2

Demon form bone storm , ooor titan + slams+ giants blood dual wielding an axe and a hammer 0_0

Stampede looks amazing

[daring jay]

axes are sadly not in the game yet

same with swords

[shut ruin]

There's already been a few axes in gameplay footages. Same with swords.

https://www.poe2wiki.net/wiki/Axe
https://www.poe2wiki.net/wiki/Sword

[daring jay]

yeah but those are taken out of the game for early access. They said it in an interview.

sword skills are apart of duelists identity and there is no reason to use swords before you can use the skills

[shut ruin]

Do you happen to have the interview / link?

[reef kelp]

@daring jay oh

Welp double bonkage it is!!!

[daring jay]

nah ive watched like 10 gameplay videoes 6 interviews and probably more other things haha

i got no clue

if i could i would play cyclone but not ingame sadly ;((

[reef kelp]

Bone storm looks sooooo fucking cool tho

I'm thinking of doing a demon bone storm thingy

@daring jay did you see they are adding fails tho??

Flails*

[daring jay]

trueee yeah

[reef kelp]

How.much you wana bet Templar have ascendancy shenanigans for flails lol

[daring jay]

100% haha

[reef kelp]

I can't wait to see what the flail skills are xD

[daring jay]

pretty sure its Templar: flail. Marauder: axes. Duelist: sword. Huntress: spear. Shadow: daggers

druid is i guess not weapon specific since they use transformations

maybe a staff of some kind

[reef kelp]

Swinging these chains around ngl gonna make me a Kratos build with dual fails haha 😂

[daring jay]

xD

[reef kelp]

I was all hype for monk and was like " Das my class" and then the dropped the damn demon mode in the showcase...

I was like "sigh......welp time for a new build plan"

[daring jay]

well demon mode is kinda weird in a way

you can't see your cosmetics while playing it xD

[reef kelp]

But what if......Templar gets...angel form 👀

[reef kelp]

I bet on everything we will have mtx for all the transformations

[daring jay]

trueee yup

buy demon god for 40 bucks

[reef kelp]

I swear smepeople are so dumb tho

People were complaining about some damage numbers they saw and were saying " uhg clear times are gonna be horrible"

Like bruh....you can MOVE while doing certain things now..

And .ost skills are geared more for movement in poe 2 it seems...

[daring jay]

well dmg numbers don't really matter. Depends on how much health the enemy has haha

the movement seems soo nice

Im gonna be a WASD andy for sure

[reef kelp]

The fact that demon form can cast WHILE flying....GOD I want that so bad 😂

[daring jay]

xD

[reef kelp]

Have you seen bonestorm?

The witch uses it in a lot of the footage it's the "bone spears" thing

[daring jay]

no

the thing above their head?

like the spikes

[reef kelp]

Ya tha firs like the 6 bone spikes

It's a channeled spell , I'm doing that on demon form with a cwc setup of somekind

Imagine scaling up number of projectiles on that lol

[daring jay]

true hahaha

with some pierce support too

[gloomy basalt]

If there is not a skills that supports the item then they will not drop in EA. So swords and flails for sure

[rustic mango]

I'm curious as to what degree you become weaker when in demon form

[frail jay]

It just puts a ramping DoT on you

in exchange for ramping cast speed

[sterile latch]

afaik it's ""just"" losing hp per sec at an increasing rate

[frail jay]

I don't know if it's HP loss or fire DoT though, I'm assuming it's gonna be fire DoT

[rustic mango]

ah nice, ways to counter that

[vale burrow]

so how does the % increased critical damage bonus and other sources work together... i knew at some point, but have forgotten

[frail jay]

it adds, it's the same as crit multi in poe1

[vale burrow]

it is not

[frail jay]

Oh where did they say that?

[gloomy basalt]

https://youtu.be/pj8FxWMf4V4?si=FnkPv1RM-Du0_zXU

EA servers will not be Eternal Servers

[vale burrow]

cant remember, but im 100% sure it is different

[frail jay]

...

[craggy ivy]

Hi guys, new to poe! Went to download poe1 and tested out witch and played summoning..
Will the witch in poe2 work about the same as poe1?

[gloomy basalt]

Same in that its a class that can focus on minions, but it will be implemented in a much different way.

[craggy ivy]

Cool! Thanks mate. Am going for witch 🙂

[gloomy basalt]

Minions look super fun

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pGYR-HOB52I

[vale burrow]

critical damage support has + 50% icreased critical damage bonus.
sunder has + 100% increased critical damage bonus
pain attunement has + 30% more critical damage bonus when on low life

where poe 1 does not have "critical damage bonus"

[frail jay]

poe 1 has critical strike multiplier

[snow mist]

Do we not know any of the passive tree nodes in the STR/INT? keep lookin it up to see but can find a bit of everything but Str/Int.

[frail jay]

not really

[vale burrow]

chaos inoculation + probably ghost reaver

also i think eternal youth was in the str/int section (top right)

[maiden karma]

Keep an eye on Dreamcore's channel, he's releasing some node info daily, and str/int will most likely be tomorrow

Int should be within a few hours

Does anyone have screenshots of any rare 2handed maces lying around?

[maiden karma]

Any better ones?

[thorny path]

no not really sorry

[maiden karma]

I could have sworn I saw a mace with 52 strength or so

[modern tangle]

sounds like you want a screenshot of that one mace you saw that one time :p

[finite saffron]

That requires 52 str

[maiden karma]

Where did I see it

So apparently each strength point gives 5 life

And assuming that 2handers can roll 50+, that's 250+ life in each hand with giant's blood

[modern tangle]

isn't it 2 life per str...

[proper pagoda]

That's also 100 inc melee damage each right?

[maiden karma]

Fuck

Where did I get 5 from

No more damage from str

[gusty bone]

What is the passive that lets you freeze instead of ignite

[maiden karma]

Don't remember seeing anything like that

[proper pagoda]

Hey subdeemaxxer

What are u cooking today

[maiden karma]

Nothing

[proper pagoda]

Sadge

Me either. I already cook everything.that can be good without more info

[modern tangle]

Do you mean the frostfire support?

[gusty bone]

Anything that can freeze enemies while im using fire damage skills

[modern tangle]

Think you'll have to create your own combination.

[frail jay]

one of the ascendancies might end up having a node that does that

infernalist already has any damage type can ignite

or contribute to ignite magnitude at least, I think you still need something dealing fire damage to actually proc the ignite

[modern tangle]

no, that one adds both ignite chance and magnitude. It should be able to ignite with a cold skill.

[frail jay]

Oh I thought it didn't add chance for some reason

neat

[maiden karma]

Can they stop teasing pointless garbage like archmage and explain how ailments work already

[frail jay]

Archmage was a good teaser I think idk

I think we know like 90% of how ailments work

at least ignite

[maiden karma]

What happens if you build up the threshold with fast skills and then trigger it with a big one

[frail jay]

the threshold is based on damage dealt not number of hits

[maiden karma]

(Archmage chonk could have potential)

[frail jay]

no

[maiden karma]

Fym no

[frail jay]

pretty sure mana leech is going to be attack exclusive like poe1

Archmage SRS could have big potential though

because of essence harvest

[maiden karma]

Do CoC or something

Sniper's mark chalupa punch to leech and trigger archmage spells

[frail jay]

Yeah I suppose you could as long as you can get enough melee damage to actually get good leech

can also just EI spells because EI is OP

EI is gonna be nerfed before EA, or it's going to get nerfed day 2 or something and I'll have to switch to something else

[maiden karma]

[proper pagoda]

Bro wtf is ei

[frail jay]

elemental invocation

AKA broken spirit gem

[maiden karma]

Why do all the funny unarmed skills have to be dex/int

[frail jay]

because monk is dex/int?

just wait for cyclone

it's on glad or marauder

[modern tangle]

there are still 13 potentially broken spirit gems but we haven't seen the tooltips 😧

[frail jay]

I doubt any of them will be as broken as EI

[modern tangle]

Cast on Dodge?

[frail jay]

nah

cast on dodge will probably suck tbh

I'm expecting it to only gain enough energy per dodge to cast a 1sec cast time like every 2-3 dodges

[maiden karma]

Warcry on dodge

[frail jay]

But yeah EI Comet is going to be busted and super meta and then get nerfed into the floor

[maiden karma]

Oh

Speaking of ailments

[cedar river]

you cannot respec ascendancy class in Poe2?

[maiden karma]

We haven't seen anything at all about bleed have we?

[frail jay]

nope no swapping ascendancies

bleed just works like ignite but for phys damage I think

[scenic ivy]

You can refund and reallocate nodes within your ascendancy, but you can't change from say, infernalist to blood mage

[maiden karma]

No like there are no bleed gems at all

[modern tangle]

We've seen Maul, Puncture, and the Bleed Chance support. But really the bleed stuff will come with axes/swords.

[frail jay]

?

[scenic ivy]

Couple of skills as well

But I figure the majority of bleed skills will come with duelist/shadow

[frail jay]

Actually bleed doesn't look like it works like ignite

bleed just works like poe1 bleed

[maiden karma]

Bear bloodmage

Bloodbear

Would be funny if one of bloodmage nodes let you bleed with all damage or something

[frail jay]

would be weird if it didn't have something bleed themed

[maiden karma]

You bleed yourself out with your life costs

[hushed mirage]

Anyone has any clue on how putting 2 shocks on an enemy would work? Would they add up?

[frail jay]

probably

[maiden karma]

Archmage suddenly looks good

[native widget]

Hear me out.. Chaos monk CI EB MoM GR

[modern tangle]

GR is dead

[granite kettle]

Wow what a scam!

[snow mist]

I’m kind of worried. Might just be the newb in me: but is the sorceress gonna be underperforming any especially early game?

[scenic ivy]

I mean that's absolutely cracked imo

converting ES to mana instead of just giving mana ES makes archmage and the arcane intensity notable big big dam

[maiden karma]

Chronomancer might be too strong if anything

[scenic ivy]

Also if this still works before converting ES into mana, jesus christ lmao

[snow mist]

I just worry about the road getting to Chrono and ascendancy lmao.

[fervent sundial]

The guy that spoiled that node didnt think so.

Something about the ES not remembering its ES

[maiden karma]

Sorc won't have any issues

[scenic ivy]

If it helps, there's a youtube guy named subtractem who just put out a video who managed to get a +3 cold skill gem and 40-ish% inc spell damage staff on the first boss and was two-shotting bosses up until like act 2 or so lol

[snow mist]

Oh.

[scenic ivy]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h801Sv4Ary4

This is the video, he starts with merc but swaps to sorc at some point

and gets the staff at the beach boss

[fervent sundial]

I saw patient barrier and imidietly thought of this

[native widget]

Have you heard of Spell caster supremacy?

[snow mist]

No- but I feel like I can deduce its meaning. 😂

[native widget]

Yes.

[flint flume]

So I just noticed the insane base crit chance on cold spells. Cold blood mage sounds like it would slap

Easy 100% crit, then life scales crit damage and survivability

[native widget]

Yea

[maiden karma]

What cold spells are there even besides comet

Kinda completely ignored them

[short timber]

archmage applies to spells

[flint flume]

Frost bolt, cold snap, ice nova, etc

[short timber]

you can only leech mana with attacks

how do you bridge that gap

[gusty bone]

What is melee version of archmage?

[scenic ivy]

There are stackers of all types. Str/Dex/Int stackers, Life/ES stackers. Shit there's even armour and accuracy stackers in poe 1. We just don't have the info to see what are the enablers of those builds

[sterile latch]

ok but did you notice this: one large sweep with full ES + shielded char => 40% hp xd

[flint flume]

Just dodge roll 4head

[sterile latch]

I dont think i'll take EB for some % on Archmage

[flint flume]

If you take MoM too, then EB gives you extra damage without losing any life, technically

[scenic ivy]

Double dipping like that might cause trouble though. Because you'd need a mega chunky mana flask to keep up with that

Because if your skills cost way more mana and you're also losing mana by being hit, it can become pretty easy to get backed into a corner with no resources

[flint flume]

Archmage being a toggle means you can turn it off when needed. There's also quite a few skill and supports to help with mana sustain

[maiden karma]

Bloodthirst in 1

[native widget]

wait what

[frail jay]

what is even the point of the 2nd chonk node if you can just turn your es into mana lol

[scenic ivy]

Because not all people will take EB

[tranquil inlet]

If it recharges them at the same time it's 2x

[short timber]

unless there's a special spell leech

generally mana leech is only on attacks

[frail jay]

I guess it is 2x yeah

yeah also pathing cost of eb

[tranquil inlet]

Eb/mom will be amazing for that darkness point on acolyte

[frail jay]

huh?

[tranquil inlet]

Es was getting in the way on that

[frail jay]

That point is trash

no one should use it

[short timber]

yeah darkness is really bad

[tranquil inlet]

Welltsee

We'll see

[maiden karma]

[short timber]

4 points for no spirit + 30% extra dmg as chaos

not good

[frail jay]

I mean unless the other darkness node we haven't seen is absolutely insane

but it would have to be like 200% more damage

no spirit is dumb

spirit is OP and you can get like 300+ spirit

[tawny karma]

guys im new to path of exile , i want to make a bloodmage that doesnt use minions is this a good idea? or is that spec supposed to have minions?

[frail jay]

bm with no minions is fine

[native widget]

you can

bloodmage is big crit so yeah

[frail jay]

tbh we haven'y seen any minion synergy on bm

[native widget]

get some winter orb or something

[sterile latch]

as a melee i dont think the opportunity cost of no spirit is that big ?

[frail jay]

infernalist and chronomancer are the only ones we've seen with clear minion synergy

[left aurora]

i heard that in poe 2, all characters start in the middle, is that right

[frail jay]

and legionairre I guess

yeah but on different sides of the middle

[left aurora]

ah i see

[tawny karma]

is there any equivilant class/build to the bloodmage in poe 1 so i can get some inspiration already of what i could do?

[frail jay]

Not really, that's not how classes work

[maiden karma]

There was warlock but that was temporary in affliction league

[frail jay]

Class is just a set of specific passives you can choose but you can use a ton of builds with those passives

[native widget]

no

[frail jay]

We've seen half of the blood mage nodes so far and it's just: More max life, more crit damage, spell damage life leech

So really play any spell crit build in PoE1 and it's something blood mage could probably do

[tawny karma]

strength is a thing that build would also like right?

because it gives extra max hp?

[frail jay]

Yeah

on gear probably

you'll need other attributes too for gear/gems

[tawny karma]

ok thx i think i can work with that

[native widget]

i feel like the first two node of chaos monk might not be as bad as it seems

[snow mist]

Ahh, don’t know if I wanna play Warrior or Sorcerers lmao.

[native widget]

theres a third node hidden behind it that we havent seen yet

that could change everything

[scenic ivy]

Close eyes and click randomly upon release. It's the only real way to choose

[frail jay]

I doubt it will make a difference

losing your spirit is a crazy downside

and the upsides are really mediocre

[maiden karma]

Clearly the way is dual mace chronomancer

[snow mist]

That is the dream/goal tbh LOL

[frail jay]

like imagine if poe1 had a node that was "you cannot use any skills with reservation as a cost" but it gave a 600 hp aegis with a 10 second recharge, and 30% gained as chaos when the aegis was up

no one would ever use that

and reservation skills are stronger in poe2

[maiden karma]

Gruthkul gaming

[native widget]

there could be a crazy ass twist that you just dont know yet lol, like you can reserve skills on mana instead or something

[tawny karma]

is running full armour as a deffensive layer a bad idea on bloodmage probably?

[maiden karma]

I just want petrified blood

Full armour is fine

[native widget]

i dont know why you would do that tho

her damage scales on hp

[tawny karma]

yeah but some amour from gear i mean

rather then like armour/es gear

[native widget]

🤨

[tawny karma]

im talking bout the base items

[maiden karma]

If you're going the life stacking route then full armour is the way

[tawny karma]

ok! im just wondering if its a good idea to do somthing like that

since im not that expierienced in poe in general

[frail jay]

tbh we don't know a whole lot about defenses atm

and what will be best to scale

[maiden karma]

Highly doubt that they'll want to reintroduce determination/grace stacking to 2

[frail jay]

I already know my plan for offensive skills, so I need to figure out how I'm scaling defense

[maiden karma]

Armour, regen and active block sounds solid

Can maybe throw in enfeeble

[frail jay]

I wonder how EI works as a cast animation with cast times

It just says it triggers when you use it, but it doesn't say instant

I wonder if you can use it with active block on

[tawny karma]

just chekking if it doesnt sound insane to people who actually play poe if i say : i want a bloodmage that focuses on crit+life/strength+armour+meeting int requirements for certain blue gems

[maiden karma]

That's completely normal

[tawny karma]

nice my plan for early acces first character is set then ;D

[maiden karma]

I mean I'm most likely gonna start with a melee bloodmage

[tawny karma]

i like the fireball spell allot it seems out of the bunch

[static plinth]

If its loss, massive ES Recharge/Eternal Youth stonks
If its DoT, massive Black Doubt stonks

[proper pagoda]

can u use an unarmed skill with a wand/staff equipped?

[maiden karma]

Doesn't seem like it

You need to either be unarmed or quarterstaff

[frail jay]

what is black doubt?

Also I assume it's fire DoT and then stonks for the node that people will already be using to mitigate pyro damage from overcapping on fire

the +2% max res per 40% fire res

[scenic ivy]

This is it if this is what you were looking for?

in my opinion kind of useless. Can't really see a use for it

[gusty bone]

What is the hardest hitting projectile based spell?

[modern tangle]

we don't know that stuff yet

[rustic mango]

I'd imagine it would be a Sorc spell of some sort

[midnight bolt]

Does anyone know how %damage addes as %x damage work? will the added damage benefit from both tags(initial and final)?

[daring jay]

pretty sure it only gets benefits from the final

[midnight bolt]

whats the point of skills like herald of thunder/ash then?

u have full phys build scaling only phys damage, equip those to get nothing because u didnt scale fire/lightning?

makes no sense

or support gems like added cold/fire?

[thorny path]

Any added or converted damage does not remember the old damage type. If you had 100% phys to fire conversion, global increased phys mods would have no effect

[crystal hearth]

Does somebody have an idea if we will need staves to cast spells?

[scenic ivy]

no you don't. You can cast spells with anything

staves, sceptres, and wands will likely just have the best options for you as they naturally roll caster mods

[crystal hearth]

can attack weapons also only roll attack mods?

[shut ruin]

We don't have the exact tables for what an roll on a given item. But in PoE1, for example, wands are more focused on spell casting things whereas 1 handed swords more attack based things.

But, going a little deeper, there's some wands that had a focus on minion rolls commpared to other wands.

[scenic ivy]

Yeah and if it's anything like poe 1, then yeah martial weapons will naturally roll attack mods, among a host of other things. You could though use something like an attack mod essence on a wand and get an attack mod on it. But it'd be useless as wands can't actually attack

[shut ruin]

So 🤷 ... the best answer we have is we'll know when the game comes out or if GGG didn't make an iteration/change with the type of zip for the GGPK pre-load file, data miners can quickly get details like that.

[scenic ivy]

And vice versa, you can essence a mace for a caster mod like spell damage or something. That would increase the damage of spells casted while holding that mace

But it would just be horribly suboptimal since you'd basically be working against the weapon at every turn

If you're looking to do a caster/attacker hybrid, I would just utilize weapon swapping to have a wand/staff in one set and a martial weapon in the other

But going into that realm, a hybrid caster/attacker will also be tough because you're going to be splitting your passive tree between the two.

[crystal hearth]

i wanted to use some of the meta on the invoker to cast additional spells -> apply more ailments and release more shockwaves -> increase uptime on avatar form thing

[proper pagoda]

is bleed 4s duration 20% of damage same as ignioote?

[scenic ivy]

The shockwaves from "scatter them to the wind" only apply to melee crits. But overall I think we have to learn a lot more about invoker before we could come up with somethign like that. Like I think all that was said was that going into avatar form just "increases damage and inflict additional ailments". I'm not sure if there's anything about how long it lasts, if it's something you have to juggle, if there are any qualifiers on "increase damage" and "additional ailments". Like it may be inc melee damage. I'm not seeing much regarding spell usage

[zealous bison]

I'm considering running the new Ice Shot to capitalize on the 350% increased damage against frozen enemies. However, I noticed the skill itself can't freeze. Does anyone know a reliable way to consistently freeze enemies to fully take advantage of this bonus?

[crystal hearth]

Yeah that changes everything. If they only release from melee crits my idea does not work.

[scenic ivy]

Yeah this is the node for elemental expression. which is that shockwave thing

[modern tangle]

It is deplorable that they would show nodes like this without showing the actual skill tooltips!

[maiden karma]

Do you not have patience, exile?

[short timber]

btw

for the EI stuff

Triggered spells don't generate energy for triggers

[frail jay]

They generate energy for EI though

[short timber]

but EI is a trigger

[frail jay]

so?

[short timber]

and triggered spells don't generate energy for triggers

[frail jay]

why do you think that

[short timber]

someone from GGG said that afaik

yesterday

somewhere

[frail jay]

Yeah they're probably talking about the Cast on X metagems which gain energy "once per Skill use"

Triggers aren't a use

EI doesn't have that

[short timber]

but it does have the trigger tag

[frail jay]

So?

[short timber]

probably to avoid EI loops

[frail jay]

I mean there's like 10 Cast on X gems that auto trigger spells, and then there's EI that charges up and then you use it and the spells it casts are triggered

And the 10 other ones all have gain energy "once per Skill use"

and EI doesn't

They're probably talking about the other ones

Otherwise why would EI not say it gains energy "once per Skill use" too?

[short timber]

Maybe

I mean I hope so

I want to do EI Comet stuff

[frail jay]

Still I mean as long as EI doesn't get a once per skill restriction on energy, even if you can't get energy from EI you can get 250-500 energy from incendiary shot

and then just cast 5 comets

that's what I'm planning on doing for bosses

2 incendiary shot -> 5 comets

[vale burrow]

ELDRITCH BATTERY converts all energy shield to mana 😮

wow

MoM chayula monk incomming

[short timber]

oh btw idk if you are looking at the 125 125 125 values

but it's 125 25 25

[frail jay]

Yeah I mean that's why I said 2 incendiary shot -> 5 comets

incediary shot has 10 proj and always ignites and can all hit the same target

idk why it's designed that way but yknow...

[short timber]

could also do spark/ball lightning but yeah

[frail jay]

BL is my 2nd EI

I don't like the look of spark

I feel like spark needs mana tempest to work well, and mana tempest looks like it will be bad unless pyro flame converts only spending and not costs like PoE1 EB

[sterile latch]

dreamcore vid show 0 mana regen nodes btw

wonder if they're just small nodes or it's very rare

[midnight bolt]

sooo archmage doesnt specify hit dmg, time to play ED archmage 🙂

[maiden karma]

Dream only showed "interesting" nodes

[frail jay]

how many actual DoT spells do we have

[midnight bolt]

contagion ed and flame wall?

hmm maybe smth else

[maiden karma]

Lots of chaos

[frail jay]

Incinerate might be DoT, can't really tell

[maiden karma]

Corrupting cry and the curse equivalent

[frail jay]

corrupting cry isn't a spell I don't think it scales with archmage

[midnight bolt]

but archmage on ed sounds busted af, you go full lightning dmg with all op passives shown and it keeps chaos tag so it will spread by contagion

[frail jay]

corrupting cry also looks godawful unless it stacks

doesn't archmage give gaines as lightning?

[midnight bolt]

and you can keep archmage+ed only on weapon swap, and defensive auras on main setup

[midnight bolt]

yep

[frail jay]

I don't think you can get damage gained as X on dot

[midnight bolt]

but u keep base tag,it doesnt convert

[midnight bolt]

well nothing so far says it doesnt

[frail jay]

I mean that's just how it works in poe1 so I expect it works like that in poe2

same deal with crits

like i wouldn't expect ED DoT to scale with crit in any way

or flame wall

[maiden karma]

[frail jay]

same with pen

[maiden karma]

HOLD THE PHONE

[thorny path]

poe1 conversion effects only effect hits

[maiden karma]

The name was right there

[frail jay]

yes that's my point?

[thorny path]

yeah I'm agreeing with you

[short timber]

unleash limit firestorm will also be great for EI

if it stays as is

I feel like there's no way it's not once per cast

[frail jay]

tbh not sure about that now that I know how ignite works

to ignite you actually need to deal damage equal to ailment threshold with damage than has ignite chance to start getting a chance to ignite

so an unsupported firestorm just to proc ignites wont work, you actually need to do a lot of fire damage

of course if you go Infernalist and get the 2nd pyro flame node that means your comets will do crazy ignites

idk about it being a primary source of energy though

[maiden karma]

Do you not need to build up to the threshold?

[frail jay]

You do yes

[short timber]

isn't it

[maiden karma]

If you have infernalist minions piling on the same target it will eventually get ignited, right?

[short timber]

25% base chance and then 25% per monster ailment threshold damage done

[frail jay]

yeah infernalist anything not fire will ignite like a fire build

no

there's no base chance

from what I've read at least

[maiden karma]

Here's a simpler way

Does it work like Monster Hunter statuses?

[vale burrow]

anyone know if ephemeral edge is in poe2?

[proper pagoda]

but bro u cant get spell damage mods on a crossbow

[maiden karma]

No swords at the start

[frail jay]

ok don't cast EI with the crossbow?

Have you not seen the poe2 weapon swap system?

[vale burrow]

i didnt say EA, poe2 in general

^^

[maiden karma]

We know nothing besides EA stuff

And a bit of huntress & druid

[proper pagoda]

seems a bit cooked but maybe

[frail jay]

why?

[proper pagoda]

just seems clunky

but maybe not idk

[maiden karma]

That's just like any other weapon swap build

[frail jay]

it auto weapon swaps...

[frail jay]

it's cooked not using weapon swap lol

[maiden karma]

Wait

[maiden karma]

You gonna invest into accuracy to actually land any of the crossbow hits?

[frail jay]

I mean yeah that's what I said about ignite chance, and I still don't know if that counts for EI

[proper pagoda]

incendiary shit always ignites

[frail jay]

he might be talking about for cast on X skills

[short timber]

anyways

with invoker

you can just get 100% for w/e amount of seconds

and abuse firestorm unleash limit

[pastel forge]

Wow

Archmage lightning builds have crazy passives to build with

[frail jay]

100% for w/e amount of seconds?

What do you mean

[short timber]

if it's not changed

unbound avatar

[frail jay]

oh yeah

that's true

[short timber]

= 100% chance to inflict ignite shock freeze

[frail jay]

I wonder how meditate will work with EB

probably won't

[maiden karma]

It won't

You'll have 0 ES

[frail jay]

Probably depends on how everything is programmed

Like when Iron Reflexes convers evasion to armour a 100% more evasion mod will still affect the converted evasion and increase your armour

same with converted HP

so if meditate is just a persistent buff that gives 100% more ES it might work

[short timber]

they might have changed that

with the offensive conversion change

[pastel forge]

Converted stats don't double dip anymore iirc

[short timber]

wouldn't surprise since they want to make the game more accessible

[pastel forge]

Like that notable that converts ES to mana won't first get boosted by es passives

In any case, I'm curious how mages can get mana leech, probably only via uniques or maybe dark monk ascendancy will have a notable for that

[proper pagoda]

does exploit weakness work on sunder

[maiden karma]

No

It specifies it doesn't work on skills that already consume break

[frail jay]

isn't offensive conversion kind of different? It works on final premitigation damage right and doesn't scale?

While presumably EB converted ES would scale with mana mods?

[thorny path]

It works on base damage and flat added damage, before increase/more mods

[frail jay]

oh weird

[thorny path]

That's where it's always worked, poe1 just has a quirk where converted stats remember the old stat type

So fire damage that used to be phys would still scale with phys damage mods

[frail jay]

well yeah but it makes sense to work there when it remembers damage type

because if it doesn't remember damage type it's just kinda shit

if I have 500% increased and 200% more fire and then I get 10% gained as lightning that does like nothing

if it doesn't scale with the fire mods

[thorny path]

It's not free damage anymore, yes

[frail jay]

it works with its own damage type now right?

[thorny path]

Most sources I've seen have just said "% of damage as" so yes it works with any and all damage of a hit

[midnight bolt]

this whole mechanic looks kinda junk cause they have like 10 skills that are melee/projectiles that convert 40-60% of phys to elemental, either those skills would be just garbage or they have a lot of generic modifiers like % meleee/%projectile dmg to make those skills work

[frail jay]

oh true

[midnight bolt]

but then if we look at leaked passive nodes that are a lot of elemental specific clusters, most of it is on the top tho

[pastel forge]

Top side is the int stuff

Makes sense

[thin basin]

we scaling both life and mana with ES w this?

[frail jay]

and EB yeah

[thin basin]

so mana stack and lifestack possible

interesting

[proper pagoda]

rip bro that was our best support

bro blood and sunder

what supports are u using on sunder

me thinks crit damage, maybe melee phys, maybe fist ofw ar

[pastel forge]

Only problem is that if you take this node, you are left with only getting gore spike or the spell life leech node

[thin basin]

i was hoping there was a support gem that scale dmg with life somehow

or spell gem even

[pastel forge]

Could be one of the other passives in blood mage

[thin basin]

and with archmage stuff idk scale both life and mana as dmg

just a theory

[frail jay]

Archmage Blood Mage EB MoM Eternal Youth

[thin basin]

thats the move

[pastel forge]

For now I feel like both gore spikes and the spell life leech are too important for casters and that takes 6 ascendancy

[maiden karma]

[thin basin]

8 pts ascendancy here we come (hopefully)

10*

flame/flesh in poe2

[pastel forge]

To get crimson power on top of that would require 10 ascendancy

There another node behind gore spikes tho so it's possibly another dmg boosting notable

[thin basin]

isnt there an overleech node, does that work with spell

[thorny path]

It's not overleech

[frail jay]

yeah, leech is only 1sec base now

what do you mean it's not overleech?

[thorny path]

The first node is overflow, you have to pick up health orbs that spawn on some trigger

I'm assuming he meant the first node on Blood Mage

[pastel forge]

Overleech is on passive tree

[thin basin]

how far is that from witch area, chances are im gonna grab it if i grab the spell leech life

[midnight bolt]

its literally the opposite

kekw

[frail jay]

Far bottom left in between STR and STRDEX

just anoint it

[thin basin]

ill find a way

[sterile latch]

Volley: Supports skills that fire projectiles from the user. Does not affect projectiles fired from other locations as secondary effects.

It means self cast right ? I'm not sure what they mean with "other locations as secondary effects"

[maiden karma]

Just path to it

[frail jay]

probably means things like fireball

or volcano

[sterile latch]

hopefully it works with spirit triggers then o/

[frail jay]

I mean it depends on the skill you are triggering

[sterile latch]

ember fusillade

[frail jay]

that one I'm not sure, the projectiles do fire from you but it might be a secondary effect

[sterile latch]

yes

surprise then :d

maybe wildshards is good too because even if they fire in circle they're supposedly auto target

[thin basin]

surely theres no way they make an ascendancy based on u stacking life but then didnt make a way to scale that life into dmg

[frail jay]

it's on the ascendancy?

[thin basin]

flat*

[frail jay]

?

[maiden karma]

It's almost like there's another node behind it

[thin basin]

dark pact!

or bodyswap

with the reanimating skeletons

[hushed mirage]

I know reload speed for Crossbow is a separate stat but do you think AS affects it?

or if Reload Speed would be an affix in CB?

[maiden karma]

Does this look like 2 hands holding a weapon to anyone else?

[native widget]

No?

[midnight obsidian]

it's a cat looking through a can of pringles

[native widget]

🤣

[proper pagoda]

guys is bleed 20% of hit damage?

[gloomy basalt]

https://tenor.com/view/mapache-pedro-gif-7206648027763736533

[iron ledge]

[static plinth]

Looks like someone cutting their palm to me

[snow mist]

What does the shock effect do? That the only ailment/status that lightning spells dish out?

[thorny path]

Increases damage taken by 30% base

[static plinth]

Wait are shock/chill static values now?

[thorny path]

yea

[static plinth]

Holy shit login

[maiden karma]

There's a new electrocute effect too

[static plinth]

Yeah do we know what that is

Burst of damage?

[thorny path]

It's a CC like freeze or pin

[static plinth]

Other locations as secondary effects means things like Arrow Nova in PoE 1

Presumably the same here

[frail jay]

tbh idk if arrow nova would work that way because it's a replacement effect on normal projectile behavior

[static plinth]

Im thinking it cooks with Demon Form

Assuming mana is sustainable like that

[frail jay]

Or maybe it specifically wouldn't

Isn't it just The Agnostic

Which people like never used?

[static plinth]

Agnostic also deleted all your ES

[frail jay]

I guess it's true you get ES with this

[scenic ivy]

It could work with demon form, that would assume you don't take the flame node. But I figure it's probably easier/better to just invest in life regen if you wanted to sustain demon form rather than chunk 10% of your mana every second

[frail jay]

Idk I feel like you have to compare unique body armours to cloak of flame

[static plinth]

It should be a lot less though right, because your health would have to actually drain fast enough to not be filled in say, 0.05 seconds (leading to you only losing 0.5% a second)

Oh hey Agnostic actually has a bit on this on it's wiki

"While at full life and taking damage over time, the mana sacrificed will be equal to the total life lost per second, up to the maximum of 20% of your mana"

[scenic ivy]

The armour says that when you're not on full life, it will drain 10% of your mana per second to heal you for that much. So I can only assume that the second your life goes down by 1 via the life drain, it will chunk 10% of your mana, heal you for that much, and then immediately you will be back to less-than-full life due to the life degen, triggering the body armour again. It basically just super quickly chunks your mana every second until your mana drops to 0

[static plinth]

Its "a second" so its...how many ticks do we have a second in this game

Lets assume 60 ticks, so it'd drain 1/60th of your mana at most, not an instant 10%

[static plinth]

It should work like Agnostic since its basically the same thing

[scenic ivy]

I mean, the armour is pretty cut and dry that it says "sacrifice 10% of your mana per second". So it won't be a slow drain, it just chunks 10% every second

[static plinth]

While not on Full Life, Sacrifice 20% of Mana per Second to Recover that much Life
"While not on Full Life, Sacrifice 10% of Mana per Second to Recover that much Life"

Identical, even

[full helm]

Hey fellow Exiles, starting a monk on release and hopefully gonna try and make elemental (lightning, cold and fire) monk.

Already started theorycrafting

[trail lynx]

i am playing scion on full game release

[static plinth]

Scion won't be in PoE2

[trail lynx]

stop spreading misinformation

[static plinth]

ok

[midnight bolt]

devs said themseves no scion

[sterile latch]

Do you know if Temporal rift from Chronomancer is like Ekko ult (go back x sec in time) or actually a double activation spell ? Pretty sure I read double activation but I cant find it

option 1 is fun, 2 not so much

[trail lynx]

i think its temporal rift from poe1

[scenic ivy]

https://www.poewiki.net/wiki/Temporal_Rift

[sterile latch]

i see, so 1 ! great

[trail lynx]

they still dont know it they gonna develop her

[midnight bolt]

maybe in 3-6 years

[sterile latch]

you have gemling though x)

[trail lynx]

ye very close to a flexible character except for positioning on the tree ig

[proper pagoda]

what does electrocute do?

[static plinth]

Read 3 messages down from that

[native widget]

no body plays scion anyways, except aurabots

[static plinth]

I dont really want Scion but i do really want to see what the FUCK her ascendancy tree would look like

[trail lynx]

ascendancy forest

[proper pagoda]

oh

[restive harness]

Tier information is added to the skills on the website. Tier will require the corresponding Uncut Gem Level to unlock, and will also affect the minimum required level.

[static plinth]

Concept:

God im sloppy

[light fractal]

symmetry goes crazy

[short timber]

wait where did you see that?