2┃build-planning

[mental robin]

i wonder what's the limit of skill points. the tree has over 1.5k? i hope we get enough to make whacky builds

[static plinth]

Presumably 123 like the first game

Also we counted and PoE2's tree has around 2400 nodes

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v8mRddkHUU4

Its really the only good cosmetic theyve ever given us ^

[mental robin]

damn. do you how many points were in poe 1 after all quests and at level 65?

[static plinth]

85

[mental robin]

ty

[static plinth]

Or maybe 86?

[scenic ivy]

Yeah the question is if we get regular passive points from quests or bosses. Because if we don't, then we'd get 100 from levels and 30 from the dual spec nodes

And 130 seems like a nice round number

[midnight bolt]

you dont know either of that 🤷‍♀️

[proper pagoda]

Kinda thinking totems might actually be busted. That spirit notable could be crazy. Depends how good the rest of warbringer is I guess

Not impressed by that first one they revealed. Seems trash

[midnight bolt]

huh? all nodes they revealed on warbringer are busted

as for monke runnin somewhere devs said it was just unfortunate accident lol

[proper pagoda]

Warcries are useless afaik for a totem build so only 1 relevant node was shown and it was a monkey running into a wall lol. Might be good, might not be. We know basically nothing about that node

[maiden karma]

The breach boss they showed had no trash mobs, so there would be nothing to gain the orbs from

[midnight bolt]

you assuming again that blood orbs can ONLY be generated from corpses

[maiden karma]

From kills

They literally said the orbs drop on kill

If they could be generated from corpses then there would be no issues

[midnight bolt]

yep they were describing the first notable on the ascendency tree

[static plinth]

Just kill the boss for an orb 5head

[midnight bolt]

u dont know any other nodes there related to obs

[maiden karma]

That's why I said it makes no sense

Until they show a way to generate the orbs without killing

If they don't show any mind blowing nodes before release, then I'm just gonna roll a titan for the start

[proper pagoda]

Titan meta

[midnight bolt]

20 slot backpack pog

stonks go high

[maiden karma]

The new hand of chayula skill applies linked curses on hit and makes them stronger

For chaos DoTs I get the feeling that gemling might just be the way to go weirdly enough

But that's assuming that dex area has anything chaos related

Which I feel might not actually be the case

These 2 weeks are gonna feel like eternity

[proven rapids]

Do you think top side of tree will have access to good defences ?

[midnight bolt]

mom

its there so there is already 1 huge node

[spark silo]

Probably lots of ES nodes, plus keystones like MOM or CI. Probably a sprinkling of a few other things. But int-aligned classes like witch and sorc are traditionally glass cannons in a lot of games, including poe1, and Jonathan has even called the sorc squishy before

We also haven't seen most of the passive tree, or what gearing will look like very much

[midnight bolt]

well that is def not true, occultist was notably one of the chonkiest ascendencies for a long time in poe 1

[spark silo]

ES is always chonk late game tbf

[midnight bolt]

and curses were op in poe1 dont see why they wouldnt be in poe 2 for chonkiness

[spark silo]

Right, that's another thing, a lot of defense in poe comes from skills

[midnight bolt]

especially with already slower combat temp chains+enfeeble=gg ez life

[spark silo]

So like depending on your build, increased duration or something on the tree could translate to defense for your build

oh, spell leech will also probably be a thing

[maiden karma]

Do we know how much spirit we'll have with no investment?

[scenic ivy]

0

it was a more recent change, but off the shore, you start with 0 spirit

[maiden karma]

Isn't there like a boss that drops a 50 spirit consumable green item?

[scenic ivy]

witches get a sceptre in the beginning to get some early minions rolling

Yeah there are bosses spread around that give base spirit

But with no investment at the very start we start with 0

[maiden karma]

Would be nice if we get 100 base by maps

[midnight bolt]

100 after completing all side quests

[maiden karma]

100 is perfect for 3 reserves and 1 or 2 supports on them

[midnight bolt]

smth like that ya, i wonder what other support gems will we get for auras

clarity and vitality dont look that impressive ngl

[maiden karma]

Vitality looks alright on titan with the funny 20% more life ascendancy

[midnight bolt]

well we really dont know what the hp values will we have, can we expect 3,4,5 maybe 6k hp?

[spark silo]

Unless they added %life to somewhere else in the game, we already know we're losing most life nodes on the tree and gear in poe1 almost always had flat life

[midnight bolt]

ya i wonder what about mana or es

[spark silo]

apparently strength scales life more than in poe1 though

[daring jay]

Any flicker strike enjoyers who is gonna play it?

[quick eagle]

I think we'll need to take a good look at life and life regen with the full Blood Mage reveal for context. I assume there is a certain life regen threshold where that class feels unstoppable

[midnight bolt]

lmfao they turned most zoomer tiktok braindead skill into best boss nuke skill in the game

no more zoomies now tho, cant gain charges while using it kekw

[quick eagle]

Flicker strike literally predates TikTok, the app. I think you're telling us more about you than Flicker enjoyers with this message

[midnight bolt]

no lmfao im just putting in terms that all flicker strikes mains can understand

[quick eagle]

Now the real question is if your birth date is before or after Flicker strike release date. Good money is on after

[neon blaze]

Is poison Chaos damage in POE2?

[midnight bolt]

they didnt clarify that yet afaik so probably same way as in poe1

[scenic ivy]

poison is a specific kind of chaos damage over time, yeah

[maiden karma]

Idk what to do with the final slot

[midnight bolt]

no totem?

[sterile latch]

keep it flex for one ascended skill ?

[midnight bolt]

i think all melee builds must use totem

its free dmg

[scenic ivy]

skills from ascendancies don't take up gem slots, if that's what you're referring to

[maiden karma]

Totem is pointless and titan doesn't have any ascendancy skills anyway

[sterile latch]

not even half of the ascendancy has been revealed no ?

[sterile latch]

yes but they take one hotkey :d

[midnight bolt]

how so, they scale with your stats just have their own base damage rather than use your weapon, for example shockwave totem even has melee tag

[maiden karma]

There are screenshots of the other nodes from videos

[maiden karma]

I'm not babysitting any totems which don't even use my weapon

[thorny path]

What is even the plan for this build

[native widget]

i still cant decide what i want to play yet, i wanna play minion build but also wanna try the chronomancer

[native widget]

is this some tool?

[violet echo]

its poe do minion chronomancer

[native widget]

i suppose i could

[daring jay]

Well you can't 1 button it, but you can get a node that increases the effect of using power charges, so for 1 power charge you hit 6 times. 3 power charges total, so im imagining you can zoom pretty fast anyway. Like there is a AOE skill that consumes shock to gain power charges. Pretty sure 1 or 2 of those uses against a clump will give you max charges so around 18 hits after 1-2 abilities.

[midnight bolt]

well it all depends on how fast u can generate charges

doesnt matter how many hits you can do,if you delete all monsters on the screen your skill will stop

[daring jay]

you can generate charges very fast against clumps, but im unsure when it comes to bosses

[midnight bolt]

i personally see it as big boss button, just with 2 charges it already does more dmg than hammer of gods that has 24sec cd lmfao, and if u can generate 6+ charges in 15 sec on boss will be insane

[proper pagoda]

Armour breaker totem bro

[maiden karma]

No it's just a figment of your imagination

[proper pagoda]

Also maybe hammer of the gods

[daring jay]

Well you can generate 1 power charge when using "sihponing strike" against enemies with shock. Not sure how shock works on bosses

You can put 20% chance to shock on that ability too

[native widget]

hammer of gods+chronomancer?

[proper pagoda]

I'm not doing chronomancer

[maiden karma]

Where do you see one?

[proper pagoda]

Also for flicker rue was talking about using skeletons and one of the offerings with spell echo to get charged

[native widget]

just theory crafting lol

[midnight bolt]

there is also a reservation skill that leaves taunting clone after each dodge, if its killed u get 1 power charge, i think it has like 3 sec icd, so sounds like already op bossing option for flicker steike

[proper pagoda]

U put it on ancestral warrior

[maiden karma]

Ok but that's still the same slot

[cedar river]

Do Tempest Bell get triggered by other effects than strikes?

[proper pagoda]

Yeah, I just think it's better than self casting armour break

[daring jay]

Yes!! saw that too seems really good

[midnight bolt]

just use more warcries, more exerted slams is better

[proper pagoda]

For last slot, probably vulnerability or hammer of the gods

I think I'm gonna blasphemy vuln

[maiden karma]

Had enough of warcry piano

[sterile latch]

do you think we can/should "MoM" Infernalist to control our gauge ?

[maiden karma]

Vuln is just armor reduction

[thorny path]

You have no mana with infernalist

[sterile latch]

yes but since it's replaced, wouldnt it work ?

[native widget]

when will there be pob2?

☹️

[thorny path]

Mom needs mana and you have none so it won’t work

[midnight bolt]

yes!!!

[proper pagoda]

Yes but armour reduction is good. It will mean armour break applies faster which means more sunders

Kinda depends. Like obviously if ur insta armour breaking then vuln is useless

[snow mist]

I am a complete newb here. I doubt this would work: but thematically my favorite conceptually. Think it would be possible to do Chrono + 2h hammer warrior build?

[proper pagoda]

But I think on bosses vuln will be good

Like if u have 2 totems armour breaking and vuln ideally u can just be holding down sunder the whole time

Anyone else an American who now types armour... Thanks ggg...

[quick eagle]

I can't wait to see our options for "big charge up spell" a la Flameblast. Chronomancer has my gears turning (grinding, if you will) on all the GG ways to abuse time control. Cooldown reset abuse, hold them still while charging. I wonder if they'll have some boost to temp chains, maybe remove the spirit cost with blasphemy

[proper pagoda]

I'm really tempted to try some hammer of gods ignite build. Maybe avatar of fire

[short timber]

That one seems pretty good to get a max charged staff off

[maiden karma]

All the good nodes are most likely gonna be too far away to make it work, however quarterstaff should be fine if that interests you

[cedar river]

I wonder how huge the Gemling Legionnaire ascendacy is. If that can be a good base ascendency for nearly every archetype

[maiden karma]

Seems alright for most things

Minions were the first thing everyone was talking about, but that would be the complete opposite side of the tree

[proper pagoda]

Yeah I feel like gemling is gonna be sleeper good for a lot

[cedar river]

Seems like you need to take around 24 points to get from Mercenary side to witch?

[maiden karma]

Actually 2h mace chrono might be alright depending on how close avatar of fire is

[native widget]

didnt they change shadow to assassin

[cedar river]

So kinda depends on how much you will lose out by using around 25 nodes to get there

[maiden karma]

20 nodes is a lot

[maiden karma]

Assassin is a shadow ascendancy

[cedar river]

Yeah I bet you will want to use more than 20 nodes as well, probably better to not do direct path

[maiden karma]

The lack of central path really fucks with some builds

[proper pagoda]

Why avatar of fire?

[maiden karma]

Convert your main skill fully to fire and scale the damage with fire nodes

[proper pagoda]

Yeah but for ignite hammer of Gods or something?

Like why chronomancer for it?

[maiden karma]

Can you calm down with the hammer

Idk the guy asked for it

[proper pagoda]

No I love it

And it's op

[maiden karma]

24 second cooldown

🚮

[proper pagoda]

So? It doesnt have to be ur main skill

[snow mist]

Whew. Good to hear.

[short timber]

Prob better late than early

Witchhunter should be much stronger earlymid

[cedar river]

Yeh I was thinking the same, you can probably reroll it

The 100% life corpse explosion also sounds pretty huge

if the aoe is big enough

[maiden karma]

Is this better or worse than in 1?

[midnight bolt]

depends

doesnt sound very good tbh

[thorny path]

Don’t mind him, he’s poe1 brained

[cedar river]

I wonder how well this will clear

Perhaps this one is stronger?

Its more reliable, but the 100% of life is insane

[maiden karma]

25% guaranteed is infinitely better than a 10% chance for 100%

[real hornet]

I use both because u is generally irrelevant to get the point across unless and item specifically states its name as amour in which case I would use it

[maiden karma]

25% of a big rare mob will be enough to clear out the trash, but 100% of a small mob won't even scratch the big ones

[real hornet]

you're probably also forgetting the reason explodey is good is because it can chain (which happens less in poe2 due to unit collision) so I wouldn't advise any explodey concentration except like "oh yeah this is free, why not" moments

though people are going to get explodey anyways, think it's good like poe1, and then realize that poe2 is a completely different game when armored enemies proceed to say idgaf to the damage

or worse, shield enemies... shiversmetimbers

[real hornet]

if 60% is less than 150%...

[maiden karma]

This is technically the dot multi equivalent

[static plinth]

Oh hey Impale is real but not real

[maiden karma]

It's for 1 hit

Seems to be intended for minion builds to spam

[real hornet]

it's still worse since poison doesn't have the option to stack like poe1, and cluster jewels don't let you stack low tolerance with voices for 450% increased

[midnight bolt]

but there is a supprt gem for extra poison stack and PF doubles all psn stacks

[native widget]

did yall see jonathan saying bloodmage can overcap life by a double? 😮

[maiden karma]

Dreamcore just released a video with some dex notables and there's an extra poison one

[real hornet]

it's basically assumed you will get it because it's all you have

[maiden karma]

The extra poison support will probably give more than 1 at higher levels

[maiden karma]

And then you'll spend it all on your skill costs anyway

[real hornet]

oh yeah there was that thing for overlap ES double too

[maiden karma]

And mana

[real hornet]

ye I didn't see the mana one but I heard something about everything getting a source of doubling overcap

I think it was the sorc for the ES? I can't remember

[real hornet]

pretty sure that is what made the merc actually clear in the stream for those small enemy packs on his ice skill

and from what I could see... it was rather terrible at actually clearing them

[scenic ivy]

Zealous inq, cull, and reverse cull are all pretty nice

[maiden karma]

Monk and a minion sacrifice

[real hornet]

the reverse cull imo is the best thing that everyone is gonna love in poe2 for party play

since it essentially instant phases first health gate of 25% for every big boss

also that concentration thing is op because enemy can't cast anything without it

and also up to 30% more damage based on enemy concentration sounds solid for bursting them after every spell they do end up casting

which on some bosses looks pretty much all the time

witchhunter definitely seems to be one of the big damage classes

[quick eagle]

In the video, GGG definitely drew a line for people who prefer to progress via killing bosses vs people speed clearing maps

Witch Hunter seems to be custom built for boss killing which is nice, and may run into issues clearing large maps as fast as other classes

I love killing bosses, I may need to hunt some witches for early access

[real hornet]

also decimating strike seems to have a 100 second cooldown on that up to 30% max life hit, so you can inevitably kill any boss in the game with it if suck and build tanky haha

also witchhunter gets the explodey

[quick eagle]

Is that physical damage, so would be reduced by boss resistances? If it's halved to 15% and every boss mathematically takes you 11 minutes, that seems subpar lol

[real hornet]

no, it was used against an armored boss

I bet it ignores either armor or damage reduction

also... considering that they don't get it back, does that mean they can't cast spells anymore if you deal 40% of their life in damage?

well, as long as you never let 5 seconds pass

which seems like invul phase will reset that and probably not be as useful outside of the 30% more damage based on missing concentration

[maiden karma]

But if it's an ignite build then what else do you plan on being the main skill?

[real hornet]

tbh main skill in poe2, isn't really that much of a thing as poe1 and it's more of a situations thing now, given support gems being different

also having many 6 links

[cedar river]

Blood Mage beeing able to get double their max hp as current hp combined with this, is probably sick dmg end game

D4 like crits

[maiden karma]

I'm gonna have 2 main skills my build plays around, and they won't be on a 24 second cooldown

[real hornet]

given a decently built character, that would be about 400% at best, dropping to 200% when actually casting anything

[maiden karma]

You won't be able to sustain that overhealth, forget about ever having double hp

[real hornet]

that's why I said at best, lol

[cedar river]

Yeh doing the actual math on it, it doesn't seem insane on its own

depends on what the other nodes will give u

[real hornet]

so I did some math and oh boy does this man get 90% easily

[native widget]

"easily" you mean like 10 6links?

[real hornet]

well, getting the gems is probably the hard part, but it's not like you're gonna say no to having skills give you buffs right?

[maiden karma]

You can have a bunch of random throwaway skills you won't use just for the res

[rustic mango]

This seems like a really bad idea. Having something like this as an ascendancy option

[native widget]

gonna be expensive tho

[real hornet]

that's what I said when they added it to affliction because I knew the second they take it away, everyone was gonna be pissed

[maiden karma]

Yes but that's irrelevant

[native widget]

sure..

[rustic mango]

Yeah I think ascendancy should purely concern everything skill related only

[real hornet]

affliction was my favorite league, mostly because charms and inventory were fucking awesome... also the wildwood being loot central was rather nice

[rustic mango]

More storage capacity is a boring choice for ascendancy

[static plinth]

Its probably placeholder

[real hornet]

farming 12div tainted oils and then filling a chest of magebloods was peak affliction league over here

[static plinth]

I really don't think they're going to do that

If they do, 1. what the fuck, 2. no way it sticks around til release

[real hornet]

anyways, this is poe2 chat, maybe I should shit on infernalist some more

[rustic mango]

I'm actually reconsidering picking Titan as my first character because of that storage ascendancy.

[real hornet]

even though I'ma gonna be playing it just to write a feedback post on why it has issues

[static plinth]

If people do pick it for that node i get to make fun of them for having an inventory management skill issue, though

[real hornet]

if you enjoy big stompy as a playstyle (which is a worthy choice), go for it bro

[rustic mango]

For them to have ascendancy nodes like that indicates to me that Titan is a half baked class currently

[real hornet]

well we still don't know if it's still only 8 ascendancy nodes

[quick eagle]

Yeah it seems like a paradigm shift. In poe1, due to how optimization worked with gem slots etc, you weren't as much an "assassin" or "elementalist" but more focused on the ability. A flameblaster or power siphoner, who happened to BE an elementalist. But with the equipment unique trees and how support gems work, it seems a lot more like playing a generic class that uses multiple abilities

I am curious how GGG is going to differentiate things so it isn't just build soup. Like if every deadeye has access to every bow skill with unlimited support gems, how would 1 deadeye be different from others? I guess armor, for sure, and the specific node choices

I think worst case scenario is an "optimal" build coming around for every ascendency, because there is no need to choose between weapons based on the tree

Would remove a lot of the magic of POE, but I trust GGG to avoid that

[sterile latch]

yeah the whole post is kinda sus, all 4 ascendancies are so uninspired and tasteless imo.

[rustic mango]

Titan feels like a D4 class

A harsh insult I know

[real hornet]

oh yeah, this should be nice since since you can stack one attribute probably

[native widget]

yeah

is that gemlin?

[real hornet]

maxres, quality bonuses, attribute ease, dude looks like a class you can focus heavily on other stuff due to not having to deal with annoying shit like that

similar to why I hate accuracy as a mechanic

[real hornet]

yes

ranger getting that "idgaf about accuracy" node is honestly peak

[real hornet]

because that literally makes mages infinitely better than them because of the amount of cost that accuracy just inevitably adds to a build that people just gloss over

[rustic mango]

I'm gonna go monk, originally was going to go warrior but seeing how uninspired the ascendancy choices are I'm skipping him

[real hornet]

dude

chaos monk actually looks really funny

[rustic mango]

Ikr has a much more interesting and fun kit

[real hornet]

mostly the part where he's basically poe1 slayer leech

but immune to chaos damage and a mana tank

[rustic mango]

Yeah think he's got a lot of endgame potential

[real hornet]

that ascendancy is legitimately what I wish shadow had in poe 1 for trickster

or assassin, idk one of the two

pathfinder is poison girl so assassin definitely could get some edgelord eminence in shadows vibe

[rustic mango]

I suppose warrior is good for those who are new to PoE. Just a really basic class, easy to understand

[real hornet]

instead of that weird part where he conflicts with occultist and is essentially just powercharge mans

oh also I forgot that later in development we get the third ascendancies

which I guess explains why necro doesn't exist on EA release

I thought it was a bit strange to have bloodmage and firemage on the summoner character and not get a summoner ascendancy

[quick eagle]

Do we know what Jade does? I think warcry calculus could turn builds nuts with corpse explosions

I just don't think we have enough info to dismiss warrior already

[real hornet]

jade is vaal actic armor

damn that's like a perfect comparison lol

[proper pagoda]

Eq probably

Or sunder

[quick eagle]

But surely you can move, you aren't frozen like actual vaal AA

[real hornet]

also the warcry corse explosion is kinda shit since warcry aoe is absolutely pathetic in poe2, like damn

[maiden karma]

And how you gonna do it if all the ignite supports are on hammer?

[real hornet]

its radius is actually worse than base icenova in poe1

[quick eagle]

My favorite time as a trickster was stacking MoM and Acrobatics nonsense. Insanely survivable with evasion, dodge, and a huge mana pool

[real hornet]

too bad attack dodge got axed

and spell dodge is expensive

I miss being able to have effectively 98.75% evasion haha

but honestly it's not as good in current poe1 since enemy damage got ramped up since archnem and everything practically oneshots you if you don't have 4k life and decent armor and maxres

I miss when I could have a 2k life build, no dmr sources* and not actually get oneshot by everything with full evasion

[maiden karma]

I wonder how damage conversion is supposed to work if they hate single button builds

[real hornet]

nowadays a fucking single skeleton archer at level 83 does 5k physical damage

and a pack shooting you just means death

[quick eagle]

If you don't need to invest in defense, build diversity and skill expression fly out the window

[real hornet]

I really don't understand why they hate single button builds considering their dumbass decisions for most characters getting 1 6link

[quick eagle]

It's pointless to be proud of clearing a t17 if anyone can put their face on the keyboard to do so

[real hornet]

poe1 was doomed to be a single skill game for that alone

level 83 is t16

[quick eagle]

Poe1 was always destined to be a game with 1 main skill, but that is different than single button. Support skills like orb of storms or totems or other summons have their place in 4L spots. If a built is one button and everything else is passive, aura, or triggered, i would be disappointed as a dev as well

[real hornet]

well I did mention that I would always use flicker in a 2link for move speed and engage

[static plinth]

Do we know that for a fact? I assumed it was Barkskin

Since you gain a "stack" of Jade

[real hornet]

if you treat souls like a per second gain, I was saying the skill itself is the same

[native widget]

most people will prob run 1 main clear ability and 1 main single target ability in poe 2 no?

[real hornet]

I hope they don't introduce vaal skills to poe2

that was also their attempt at making powerful skills to not be a onebutton build but failed because they don't seem to understand that soulgain prevention durations are lame and unfun, and most important or all... that vaal skills have way too many restrictions on what can actually support them

probably the only actually used vaal skill used with the main one is vaal arc

because it provides a benefit to normal arc, shocker pun intended

white sockets and lots of 6links make me believe that poe2 will completely stomp out poe1 in regard to it being a more fun game

[maiden karma]

My current plan is to actively use 3 main skills and have a couple other situational ones

[native widget]

why 3

[real hornet]

only some of them have any idea just how much time people have wasted to get good socket colors, how to actually replace gear and still being able to play, even having a 6link at all?

that dedicated skill and gem section is probably gonna have to get added to poe1 or they might end up with that good ole situation of "killed the old game because we made the new one have too much more quality than the last"

[maiden karma]

Because of titan and armour break consumption

[native widget]

🤨 elaborate

[real hornet]

3-4 is actually a good amount, then movement and some niche utility

[maiden karma]

This

[real hornet]

especially with how power charges will be an empowering type thing now

[native widget]

ah

[proper pagoda]

i dont even think u necessarily need it. could be wrong. with ignites scaling based off hit damage now, you can't really just be an "ignite" only build. like ur scaling hit anyway. so my EQ theoretically should hit hard even with no ignite

[maiden karma]

Alternate between a slam with fist of war and another slam to have fist on both

[real hornet]

and you thinking of having the fastest slam skill provide utility into big stompy?

[native widget]

lol its kinda trippy how the value of exalted and chaos flipped

[maiden karma]

Sunder guarantees crit if target is fully armour broken
Supercharged slam supported with exploit weakness and inevitable crit basically turns into sunder lite

The plan is: poke with breaker > sunder > poke with breaker > supercharge > repeat

[real hornet]

hmmm mentions magic defenses

[thorny path]

So your plan is to slam once every 10 seconds instead of every attack be a slam?

[maiden karma]

More like every 3 seconds

[real hornet]

considering magic damage is practically the thing that kills you in poe 1, he really does seem perfect

[maiden karma]

I think it's this thing

[cedar river]

I wonder how army of minions will feel in a game where monsters block pathway?

[maiden karma]

They're perfectly fine in 1

Shouldn't be a problem here either

[native widget]

i havnt played poe in a loooong time lmao

though i did have 1000 hours in it

does minions crit? i forgot

like, does your crit modifiers work on minions

[real hornet]

yo, inherent charge gain for early game?

and not needing to be a ranger, that's so nice

[maiden karma]

Not yours, but they can crit

[real hornet]

yours no, says minions

[native widget]

ah ok i think its coming back to me

so the bloodmage node that converts hp into crit damage, wouldnt really work for minions right

[real hornet]

I wonder if there could be some way to meme forced ailments into healing yourself

like if in the future these get charges easily or something

[maiden karma]

With eye of innocence infernalist probably could

[real hornet]

and just have 3 of the same type, could be interesting

due to how chance works, these may not make it

[flat pulsar]

guys I'm new to the community Im familiar with poe and played it for few years not a hardcore player just enjoy playing game when I can looking for friendly community and would love to join a guild for poe2 :) I also have question, I absolutely love druids and this class is obviously going to be my first one I'm planning to go along with shapeshifting, do you have any suggestions? Not sure if the mechanics from poe will be similar but I'd go for hp/def poison/bleed spec not sure about weapon but think it's going to be staff as druid seems to be casting spells as well.

[real hornet]

also I would like to point out that the big skelly boss had 1million health for a boss that would be around kitava act 5 in progress

[granite kettle]

But with the way PoE2 ignite chance works, I don't think "10% chance to ignite" will exist.

[real hornet]

so not only is damage dropping off a cliff in poe 2, that's literally 3x the health

[static plinth]

Doesnt Kitava's fight end at half HP?

Ig that isnt actually relevant nvm

[real hornet]

ye, the 350k is how much till the fight ends

so expect the midgame boss in poe2 to be 3 times as health, basically

[native widget]

so game is harder :/

[real hornet]

ye, but that's only act 3 boss lol

[static plinth]

I mean we knew that

[native widget]

maybe they will change the numbers when act 6 comes out

[real hornet]

and also the damage you can deal looks a lot less than poe1

[static plinth]

Oh, do we know it wasnt the Cruel version?

[real hornet]

which allows lots of powercreep room imo so I like it

[static plinth]

Which would be equal to act 10

[real hornet]

I was equating act 6 with act 10

[static plinth]

Yeah, but Cruel Act 3 should equal act 10, if it was the cruel version of the boss

[real hornet]

even if we don't get 6 yet, I was doing a clear half point in acts like kitava to match

and I can honestly say I'm excited for challenging content

if I can survive and kite spells, I don't mind low damage in games... it's just poe 1 literally stuns you every time you do anything for a solid second unless you are some castspeed attackspeed nut

the enhanced movement of poe2 is my favorite addition, white sockets with all 6links is my second fav

[cedar river]

how many of the class nodes are revealed from the earlier betas?

Are their any interactive trees out there?

[gloomy basalt]

Druid will not be one of the playable classes in EA on Dec 6th

[native widget]

is mirror still a thing or did they get rid of that

[snow mist]

Asked this once before with varying answers, gonna ask once more out of curiosity lol. Complete newb here. y’think Chrono x Warrior (2h hammer) build viable? Imagine it’ll be trash but love the concept lawl.

[light fractal]

it'll probably be strong once you reach that point, ihni how scuffed it'll be to get it there though

[light fractal]

unconfirmed but very likely imo

[native widget]

takes like a quarter of your points just to get around the tree

[native widget]

also, there is no hammer, only mace

[snow mist]

Oh really? Thought I saw 2h hammer. That’s rough.

[native widget]

there is 2h mace tho

[snow mist]

Oh— it’s just called a mace. I get you.

[cedar river]

Kinda interesting that the Sword nodes are all the way down the Mercenary's part of the tree

[native widget]

i mean it could work. you can use hammer of god and reset cd using chronomancer ability, and use hammer of god again

[gloomy basalt]

How are you obtaining chrono?

[native widget]

prob deal a shit load of damage

[gloomy basalt]

Swords will not drop in EA

[scenic ivy]

Well at the start at least, they will drop once duelist drops with the sword skills

[cedar river]

I guess I will not pick those nodes then 😉

[native widget]

but that also depends on how long the cd is on the cd reset

[gloomy basalt]

Correct

[scenic ivy]

And sword nodes are close to merc nodes because both merc and duelist (the sword themed character) are str/dex

[snow mist]

I get what you mean about the points to get to that tree though- ultimately it would come down to that optimal path and if it provides that stats I need and are effective for build essentially?

[scenic ivy]

In some big brain concepts, going to the other side of the tree can work. It happens a good amount. But those are usually thought out WELL in advance, with basically every single node hand picked. We won't have that luxury at the start until the pob team can get their hands on everything and develop pob 2.

[snow mist]

Fair enough.

[scenic ivy]

If you wanted to try to theorycraft something though. We have seen that there are some special bases that deal strictly an elemental damage. In exilecon they showed a 2h axe that is pure fire damage. In that case, you could start as a sorc, stack enough str to wield the axe, and just stack fire and elemental nodes

[cedar river]

Yeh I imagine gemling legionaire can be a good ascendancy for most, but I doubt I'l pick it for a summoner build on my first character

[scenic ivy]

But might be a bit farfetched for how little we know right now

[native widget]

wait what?? the devs developed the pob?

i thought thats like 3rd party

[scenic ivy]

No, I mean the pob devs need to get their hands on everything

As in, the developers of pob

[native widget]

ah

[snow mist]

I guess it also comes into queastion the costs of respecting. Won’t really have a problem with learning the hard way about how trash my Chrono mace build is long as I don’t get too locked down into it lmao.

[scenic ivy]

But like, if this has a mace version, you could theoretically build something out. Probably won't be easy tho lol

No phys damage, only fire, so you could just build out fire and ele dam nodes

[snow mist]

I will for sure keep an eye out on that lmao. I wouldn’t mind building pyro spec either if it helps more honestly lmao.

[scenic ivy]

Personally tho, I would say it might not end well haha

[native widget]

you COULD just play regular chronomancer and respec the build later on with more knowledge

[scenic ivy]

I'm personally going for something super straightforward as my first character. Will try some more wacky off kilter stuff once I learn more

[native widget]

starting out with a build like this will likely slow you down a lot

[scenic ivy]

Fiery SRS infernalist, or explodey cull/reverse cull witch hunter is likely for now, although I might just make a last second swap while I'm in queue like I do every league lol

[snow mist]

Might just go simple warrior lawl. Follow good advice and follow my meme dreams later. Lawl.

Titan*

[native widget]

in that case you gonna need to level a second character

if you start with sourcerer you can just respec and prob takes a lot less effort

[scenic ivy]

We're all gonna end up with 50 characters each like 2 months in anyway lol

[snow mist]

That’s fine honestly. Dunno yet- I am hands down the worse at making a choice when shown a bunch of good choices. I’m the worst at restaurants. Lawl

[native widget]

maybe you will, i dont have that much time lmao

im gonna have 1, maybe 2

[static plinth]

Whaaat is that. Shits gonna get weird huh

[scenic ivy]

The item design talk at exilecon, imo, is one of the more interesting talks, goes over a lot of things that were kind of just never talked about again lol

All the trap redesigns, crazy implicits, marauder being about throwing axes rather than swinging them, just all the art direction talk

[static plinth]

My guess is there'll be a fire axe, lightning staff (or maybe not? Since i think those are only for casters?) and a cold spear

[scenic ivy]

Who knows, I think that was the only one of that kind that they showed

[flat pulsar]

I know that but I was meaning for the build plan when its playable.

[scenic ivy]

It's been a while since we've seen any druid stuff. Safe to assume it's been getting a ton of work under the hood. There will likely be a larger showcase of it, alongside the thematically-linked skills and ascendancies as it gets closer to release

So you'll probably have a much easier time getting an idea once we actually see some more of the polished class down the road

[proper pagoda]

whats the base crit multi again now?

[scenic ivy]

I believe it's 100% extra dam

[proper pagoda]

like i dont understand this gem. 200% is base crit multiplier so if a hit does 100 damage it crits for 200.

if you use this gem your hit goes down to 80 damage and your multi is now 2.5... and you're still at 200 damage. And this would get worse and worse if you actually had more than base crit damage bonus

is a "crit" not a "hit"? or like somehow the hit damage is not 20% less when its critting?

[spark silo]

I think it would have to be this, the hit deals less damage but the crit ignores that specific mod

that seems really clunky, but it just makes no sense otherwise

[scenic ivy]

I guess it's about how "critical damage bonus" scales

[maiden karma]

The crit bonus will go up with gem levels while the less damage stays where it is

[proper pagoda]

i thought supports dont have gem levels anymore?

[maiden karma]

They do

[scenic ivy]

But it also scales better either way if you have a higher base hit, right? I'm admittedly pretty bad at putting it all together tho it does not lol

[maiden karma]

Blank support gems drop with a level, you can use them to make a new gem at that level or upgrade an existing one to it

Or something like that

[proper pagoda]

hmm k

still seems like an underwhelming gem

u need like insane multi on your increased crit damage bonus for it to be good i feel

[spark silo]

it gets worse as the hit damage goes up if the multi isn't also going up

[scenic ivy]

fairly sure supports don't have levels anymore if I'm not mistaken

[maiden karma]

They do

[scenic ivy]

There are different levels of uncut support gems, but that just determines the tier of support that you can cut from it

[maiden karma]

If there are no support gem level then so many of them are gonna be ass

[spark silo]

like this one apparently lol

[proper pagoda]

https://media1.tenor.com/m/gYw4XiQtMsUAAAAC/really-bruh.gif

[scenic ivy]

could still quality them maybe, we haven't seen much of the qual system

[proper pagoda]

i think that crit gem just doesn't roll the 20% less on crits

otherwise it makes no sense

still a mid ass gem

[scenic ivy]

Also always take note, poe2db scrapes info from stuff as it's released. That gem may have been shown off-hand in a video like 2 years ago for all we know when it was added in

Things are changing like, daily at this point

[spark silo]

true

[unreal girder]

isnt this just free exposure if you do all 3 elements in a hit?

[thorny path]

Crits are hits, that gem would work exactly as it reads

[scenic ivy]

theoretically applies all 3 exposures and then removes them. So might be great for tri ele assuming the damage is calculated after the exposure is applied and before it is removed

[unreal girder]

I mean you dont even need tri ele

just a bit of each

you can still focus on one for 99% of your dmg

[thorny path]

Why take ee then

[unreal girder]

well assuming you path by it it's 1 point for free exposure

ofc I dont know how available exposure in general is going to be

but it's also a good way to scale tri ele builds for sure yes

[short timber]

anyone know how much spirit we're gonna have roughly?

[maiden karma]

I was told 100 base through side quests

[daring jay]

30 increased spirit for 1 boss every act dont know about base though

[proper pagoda]

is it every act? so 180?

[daring jay]

yes

[proper pagoda]

where they said that?

also nice pfp

[daring jay]

i think it was in the big announcement honestly. the part where they were talking about bosses in the campaign. Like the ones you get permanent rewards from

[daring jay]

ty

[proper pagoda]

ah k

[daring jay]

this might actually be insane for flicker strike

The real question is how can you apply snipers mark to as many enemies as possible without having to manually use it

[gloomy basalt]

I don't think charges give you inherent buffs anymore.

[daring jay]

its for this

you strike 3 additional times per power charge

[gloomy basalt]

If it works like PoE1, snipers can only be applied to 1 monster at a time

[daring jay]

ew

uhh this could be good

6.3 cd though

[scenic ivy]

6.3 is pretty specific, probably shortens at higher levels

since there's not really anything else that could improve with levels haha

[daring jay]

true xD

[proper pagoda]

is there any footage of supercharged slam? im not sure if im understanding the gem right. I assume all 3 aftershocks would be at 300% more damage each?

or it might be 1st one at 100%, 2nd 200%, etc

[sterile latch]

looks like it

personnally it's the warcry line i dont get, maybe we're missing some

[maiden karma]

There was an old warrior showcase video where they used it

[proper pagoda]

oh shit can u link if u have it? like how old we talking?

[maiden karma]

Probably an Exilecon video

[proper pagoda]

damnit were really digging now

[maiden karma]

https://youtu.be/_P7_bncLqAs?si=p2wy4-aMrCIu9l5G&t=105

Even got the timestamp

[proper pagoda]

damn ty girl. i wont talk about hammer of the gods for 1 whole day as a thank you

this looks ok for totems. AoE a bit small but maybe he didnt scale it

[maiden karma]

[proper pagoda]

ok im logging into totems holy these sceprtres are busted

15x supercharged slam totems

[daring jay]

Anyone knows if this would insta kill the illusion? im imagining 20% of 1 hp could either just be calculated as 1 hp or 0

[scenic ivy]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pGYR-HOB52I

friendship ended with mercenary, now minion builds are my best friend 🤝

[maiden karma]

?

[proper pagoda]

i have now regained the right to discuss hammer of the gods

[loud geyser]

Warbringer probably has something for an extra totem as well. Maybe.

[maiden karma]

Where are you getting 15 totems tho?

[proper pagoda]

idk, 180 spirit from campaign, 200 spirit on these sceptres x2. so assuming theres NO OTHER SPIRIT in the entire game thats like 600 spirit

so were already at 12

[maiden karma]

1 sceptre

You can't dual them

[proper pagoda]

ah ok, so were are 8

still good

and thats assuming theres literally no other access to spirit

[maiden karma]

180 from campaign?

[proper pagoda]

thats what someone said

30 spirit per act

[maiden karma]

I was told 100 total

[proper pagoda]

ok fine so conservatively 6 totems

but like

theres no way there isnt spirit on any other gear, tree, etc

like theres just no way...

[maiden karma]

There was one of those ultimatum runes that gives 15

[proper pagoda]

there might even be a multi somewhere on tree

like i gotta imagine i can get to 600 spirit in this video game.

and like the other mods are also busted for totems

like 120% inc damage, attack speed, etc

i wonder if sceptres can roll level of melee gems like in poe 1

[maiden karma]

You can supposedly offhand them with a melee weapon so there is a chance

[proper pagoda]

if u can get like 100% spirit, 120% inc damage allies, 20% attack speed allies, +3 melee gems HOLY

[midnight bolt]

u sure abt it? all i heard is that u can weild it with a wand

[native widget]

Skills added via passive, accendency or items can all be supported by support gems😮

Gemling is gonna be nuts

[midnight bolt]

They also said that quality will be substantially more powerful so ye

[proper pagoda]

wtf is ancestral warrior totems crit chance

wait nm its bricked u cant summon it with sceptres i think

[native widget]

Gemling is prob like what deadeye tornado shot used to be lul

[thorny path]

mace mainhand, sceptre offhand

[native widget]

Giga expensive

[proper pagoda]

OH RIGHT

WORD

ITS SAVED

are we sure u can do that though?

[native widget]

Yes

[thorny path]

yes sceptre can be offhanded with any weapon

[proper pagoda]

ok were back baby

[thorny path]

Just realized that sceptre being defacto a weapon for minions means an ascendancy doesn't need all minion nodes to scale minions and can instead do other stuff at the same time, like Infernalist does

[maiden karma]

40% more speed

[proper pagoda]

hammer of the gods 100% more damage while dual wielding?

[maiden karma]

Of course all the good leech shit is on the opposite side of the tree from bloodmage

Why did they have to do this

MINION GEMLING ALERT

THERE ARE ALLY NODES IN STR/DEX AREA

[proper pagoda]

LINK ME

[maiden karma]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ec_06V4NOWc&ab_channel=Bajheera

[proper pagoda]

ooh didnt see this node

thats a juicer

[maiden karma]

Hold up

If you're dual wielding 2 2handers, you should benefit from both 2hand and dual passives, right?

[proper pagoda]

yes

totems are not minions correct?

doesnt have the minion tag but want to be sure

[maiden karma]

Yes

[molten shale]

totems are their own thing

yeah

[maiden karma]

[molten shale]

[native widget]

😭

Gemling minionmancer it is

[bitter geyser]

on that note, are
allies = minions and co op players
minions = minions

[native widget]

Witch is so cooked

Anyone know pob dev?

[maiden karma]

Interesting, avatar of fire is way lower down than I thought it would be, but blood magic is way higher up

[thorny path]

Anything that isn't an enemy and isn't you, is an ally

[native widget]

npc is not ally

[proper pagoda]

man warrior tree kinda nuts

[maiden karma]

Templar when

Bloodmage with a flail sounds sick

[daring jay]

I saw a video where he said if it says "increased" it additive and when it says "more" its multiplicative. So does this mean you get +30% chance to ignite or it multiplies your chance by 1.3x?

thinking if it gives you a chance to ignite if you dont have a chance to ignite to begin with

[maiden karma]

Ailments work differently here

All fire damage can ignite

This increases your odds of adding buildup by 30%

[daring jay]

you can't ignite with a none fire ability?

[thorny path]

Only fire damage can cause ignite

[maiden karma]

Infernalist can with an ascendancy node

[daring jay]

ahh okay

[thorny path]

Only lightning can cause shock, only cold can cause chill/freeze

by default

[bitter geyser]

q about weapon swap: does anyone know, is there delay when you use a skill to automatically swap weapon sets?
i saw the dev demo-ing it but i couldn't tell

[maiden karma]

There is a short delay

[bitter geyser]

dam

[maiden karma]

I saw a notable that makes the swap 50% faster

[bitter geyser]

oh ok nice

also what are these red circles?

set #2?

[maiden karma]

Looks like they're all slams, so I'm guessing that's the titan ascendancy ancestrally boosting them

[sterile latch]

Monk skills seems really boring ngl

[thorny path]

The cool thing about weapons being so distinct is that what may not cool to one person could be super cool to others

Just use what you think is cool

[scenic ivy]

https://youtu.be/-v2UqGMmldc?si=Wv_Lal815A8omCPR&t=3897

Also, I think this is a decent developer showcase of what a potential endgame monk could look like. I like the setup of triggering tons of ice walls and then instantly nuking them to do big splash damage

And of course that's just something the devs made, surely player created builds are going to go off the walls

not to mention they seem to be using one of the staff slams as a travel skill. Haven't seen many people talking about that

Looks like they're using it like a poe 1 leap slam or shield charge

[static plinth]

Damn thats cool

[scenic ivy]

https://youtu.be/-v2UqGMmldc?si=reh7lvBy2yKC_LR2&t=4002

Like look at that travel skill lol

[sterile latch]

Yes it looks cool to play, legit a fighting game, but the skills themselves are all like "deal frost damage"

it's all about movements seemingly

[scenic ivy]

To each their own, that's fair. I'm probably not playing monk myself, but I'm not exactly sure what you're looking to get out of a class. "Deal x damage" is kind of how the entire game revolves lol

I'm not trying to defend monk to the grave or anything, but I'm just not sure what makes something like this unappealing vs what any other class is doing

[sterile latch]

for example warrior has a lot of mechanics: stun, break armour, jagged ground etc

with monk i have trouble to see them :d

you hit it hurt 😂

lightning has some interactions with power charges

but it's probably incomplete

[scenic ivy]

I mean every class is going to have stun and armour break if you spec into it. Titan has some ascendancy notables that spec into it

[sterile latch]

because it doesnt look very sustainable

[scenic ivy]

Monk specifically revolves a lot around power charge usage as well

Well certain quarterstaff skills do at least

[thorny path]

Combo, ailment consumption, power charges, trigger skills

[sterile latch]

yes 2 and it's lightning and it looks hard to sustain

[thorny path]

You aren't supposed to sustain charges, you earn it

Just like Warriors have to earn a heavy stun on a boss

[sterile latch]

i mean, you consume them so you'll have to regain them

[thorny path]

That's the loop if you want to use those skills yeah

[scenic ivy]

That's the beauty of building. Here's one simple way to get ezpz power charges. Level up that combat frenzy gem and you've got a steady supply of power charges coming in

[daring jay]

question is if you can freeze bosses or nah

[scenic ivy]

Yeah you can

[daring jay]

oh

[scenic ivy]

It works like elden ring, first freeze is easy-ish, then subsequent freezes have a longer buildup

Same with stun

[daring jay]

i really wanna know where "resonance" is on the skill tree

there is also a node somewhere that does so all effects gained from spending a power charge is 2x which seems insane

[bitter geyser]

i imagine ill just find 1 or 2 skills that are really cool and build around them

[static plinth]

My guess is it's this one in the top left

Its mirrored to Conduit

Wait that might be Precise Technique not Conduit

Wait that's ghost reaver

So maybe the one below it

[daring jay]

Dude i wish we could look through all the nodes in the tree

[static plinth]

Either way its definitely on top half, aka reasonable to grab for Monk

[daring jay]

its so hard to get a clear picture when you see 10 nodes on one video and another 10 on another video

uhh nice

not bad

[static plinth]

Supreme Decadence real?

nvm thats Eternal Youth why are these identical looking

[static plinth]

Just realized im thinking of building a fucking autobomber as my first character

Free me from my chains god

im FREEEEEEEEEEEEEEE

[flint flume]

Do we know if dots can crit in PoE2?

Trying to theorycraft a chaos low life build

[short timber]

also cast on ignite/shock -> sniper's mark (arguably an even better one than what you showed)

[static plinth]

Good news

Spell of 8 trillion totems

Oh wait you already accounted for that

nvm

mb

[scenic ivy]

Possibly won't work considering marks aren't considered spells and just "marks". I used combat frenzy because it synergizes better with freezing, which is innate with a lot of quarterstaff skills that don't require power charges

Sniper's mark on poe2db is currently listed as only "mark, duration" while the other marks are listed as attacks. So likely sniper's mark is out of date and is also considered an attack, so "cast on" skills wouldn't work

[short timber]

hmm yeah you're probably right

then there's really no good way to generate charges

[pastel forge]

is there more leaked nodes in blood mage ascendancy?

[short timber]

outside of possible uniques

Lingering Illusion is prob good enough for charged staff but not for falling thunder

[scenic ivy]

For mapping, I would say that combat frenzy is a good bet because you can freeze fairly consistently. Alternatively, you could forgo resonance and just use lingering illusion for bossing

[short timber]

depends how well it scales

[scenic ivy]

killing palm as well is something, especially considering we can get culling strike range increases

[scenic ivy]

Nah all we saw were some titan and witch hunter nodes

[short timber]

1 charge every ~5 seconds that also forces you to go get a keystone not the greatest

[scenic ivy]

Yeah depends on how well it scales at higher levels, or if gem quality helps. But we're going off of very very limited info. Still have like a million other options to look at once the game actually drops haha

[pastel forge]

aw ok

[scenic ivy]

That's why I'm firmly just going something foolproof as my first character like a standard thematic witch hunter. Don't wanna get too far ahead of myself and assume something like attribute or life/es/mana stacking will be an easy thing to do

[pastel forge]

kinda sad that you can't get gore spike + vitality siphon + crimson power together, since that's gonna take 10 pts and we are limited by 8

[static plinth]

Does Bloodmage remove the mana cost or does it do the Covenant thing

Cuz if its the second one, your first ascendancy feels like you're just nerfing yourself lmao

[scenic ivy]

It costs both life and mana

But jonathan failed to mention in the video that the blood orbs that drop can heal you to double your max hp lol

[static plinth]

Still feels kinda shitty though

...MANA TEMPEST BLOOD MAGIC?

Either that's crazy or instant death

Guess you dont get most of the buffs but you do still get 50% of damage as lightning

Actually this thing is so quick to cast and only has a 1 second cooldown, maybe you just spam it?

Then the mana cost constantly resets

[pastel forge]

you probably dont invest into the node until you pick up siphon for the spell dmg life leech

[static plinth]

Not having an ascendancy til two trials sounds possibly even shittier than the first node just being bad

[pastel forge]

unless you are doing some non-spell blood mage

is the second ascendancy level gated or something?

[static plinth]

Every node of Bloodmage is behind the spells cost life node

[native widget]

You can ALSO gain double es

[gusty bone]

How would Blood Magic with Pyromantic Pact?

[static plinth]

You have Infernal Flame, but you never gain any

Or you have no Infernal Flame due to having no maximum mana

One or the other

[gusty bone]

What would be the cost of your skills, Life or Infernal Flame?

[static plinth]

Life

You never spend mana, so you never gain infernal flame

[gusty bone]

I see

[maiden karma]

Skills, not spells

Attack bloodmage isn't free from it

[native widget]

😔

i wanted to play bloodmage so bad, why does it have to be this way

chrono minionmancer might not actually be a bad idea at all

[maiden karma]

Time freeze boss and pile on the boys

[native widget]

yes

is there any big cd spell thats good on int character?

[maiden karma]

Haven't seen any spells like that

[native widget]

😔

[maiden karma]

But there is a damage boosting support that puts the skill on an 8 second cooldown

[native widget]

wait what?

whats the name

[midnight bolt]

well flame blast has highest damage effectivness in the game and has no cd

🙂

[elfin ruin]

glass cannon sorcerer monk chronamancer

any thoughts
is it doable

[native widget]

wat

ohh i see it

[maiden karma]

2 classes at once isn't doable

[native widget]

hourglass huh

Second Wind + hourglass + cd reset, so you can spam a heavy hitter 3 times in like 2 seconds

viable?

[elfin ruin]

i understand that but what i mean is like sorcerer class but have some monk skills

[maiden karma]

Sure that's fine

Playing a class in neighbouring tree section should work

[native widget]

@maiden karmaany thought? any spell that is a good boss killer?

[maiden karma]

I'll let you know when I actually get access to the game and have an answer to that

[native widget]

lul

im holding you to your word

i think i found it

comet seems pretty good no?

[maiden karma]

I don't really care about spells unless it's trigger shenanigans

Speaking of which, if triggered skills are allowed to build up energy then they might be able to loop each other

[native widget]

dont see why not

but trigger gems are really spirit expensive

[maiden karma]

Do supports increase the spirit multiplier as well?

[sleek depot]

Singer Barbarian anyone? Might be viable?

[maiden karma]

Yes

[sleek depot]

Could play the 2 button DD potentially, but w a singer barb D2 twist

Sounds fun af

[maiden karma]

Corrupting cry and swift affliction were recently revealed

[native widget]

hear me out... chronomancer with comet, added cold damage, hour glass, second wind, spell echo, concentrated effect

6 cast of comet in 2 seconds

while boss cant move

[sleek depot]

I've seen stuff for hammer of the gods (24 sec cd)
Comet could be good too tho

Boss will likely be unaffected by time freeze, or the duration heavily reduced

[native widget]

wait hold on, does the chronomancer cd reset refreshes both charges on second wind??

[maiden karma]

And what do you do after the combo?

[native widget]

let minion do the work lol

[sleek depot]

Chronomancer CD reset is probs better for clearing packs/rares than sustain dmg for bosses

[maiden karma]

So is this a spell or minion build?

[native widget]

we still dont know how long the cd on the cd reset is yet

[native widget]

its a chrono minionmancer build lmao

[sleek depot]

True, could be 10 secs or it could be 60

[native widget]

if 60 its gonna be like boss only

[sleek depot]

If it's 60 it'd be for defensive purposes not offensive tho

[native widget]

i can prob also throw in a trigger on freeze spell, too

and have a side small spell just to throw around

lots of options

[maiden karma]

If it's anything less than 24 then mace chrono is gonna get real silly

[native widget]

could

[craggy hearth]

Hello i read in poe2 poison no longer stack, so is there a reason to spam a poison ability or refresh before it expire does the same thing?

[maiden karma]

There are many ways to get poison stacks

[native widget]

anything less than 50 you mean

there is the reduce cooldown support

nvm prob more like 40

but yeah

[craggy hearth]

How? I played toxic rain and caustic arrow and poison conc in ooe1 but i dont understand how spamming for a dot works in poe2 if its 1 stack max

[sleek depot]

If Chrono reset is 10 seconds, this is what we could expect from Hammer of the Gods in terms of effective damage

[native widget]

💀

doubt it would be that short

[sleek depot]

Just saying, if it is...

lol

[maiden karma]

There's a support and at least 3 nodes on the tree that add poison stacks, and pathfinder can double the max stacks

[steep smelt]

yea i can not see chrono being 10sec as that would make any long cooldown skill 10 sec which would be way to powerfull, personally i am expecting 25-30sec

[craggy hearth]

Ah cool ty 🙂 curious if the 'double stacks ' count at the end of calculation,ie you can do 3 stacks then it double

[maiden karma]

Would be a bit stupid if it only added 1

[native widget]

also if cd reset refreshes both stacks of second wind....

omg

its gonna be so strong

[sleek depot]

Unless we can put second wind on the time reset >:)

[native widget]

nah uh

[steep smelt]

this math makes totally Zero sense also, I mean even if each on of those was an extra hit for example that would be 1307x7 which is not 10456 😄

[sleek depot]

Note the buffs above chrono reset?

[native widget]

bro did not look

[native widget]

More Duration support prob a must a time stop

[maiden karma]

You can't exert an attack twice with the same warcry if that's what you're thinking

[sleek depot]

The chrono resets warcry cd too tho

[maiden karma]

So you plan on pressing 7 buttons to do this combo?

[sleek depot]

Yes

Of course

The intended way PoE 2 is to be played

Piano buttons

[maiden karma]

This is support efficient, but not sanity efficient

[sleek depot]

Haha, very fair

[native widget]

you COULD, use a forbidden technique and only have to press one button 😶

[steep smelt]

tbh I still dont see how that math adds up with those buffs, I mean infernal will make one of the hammers double damage - becuase you can not double empower a attack, an Empowered attack takes either a "skill" that makes next attack empowered or an empower shard do they not ?

[sleek depot]

Shhh, we would never

[maiden karma]

Infernal > seismic > hammer > reset > infernal > seismic > hammer

[sleek depot]

Yep, just repeat it

And that doesn't include Hammer supports either

Can't run brutality sadly cause of infernal

[maiden karma]

You wouldn't want brutality either cause you'll need to scale your damage with fire

[sleek depot]

Yeah, but there's plenty of options that'll be available

I would never play this tho tbh

Sounds cancer af to manage xd

[steep smelt]

right lets do the math right so lets cut it in half each hammer should be doing 5228%, with a base of 1307 - infernal cry adds another 1307 making 2614 so you are presuming that seismic is going to give 100% increased damage as a stacking multiplier ?

[sleek depot]

Yeah essentially

If you look at supercharged slam it states this:

And aftershock in PoE does 150

w earthuake

[maiden karma]

Each ability has its own aftershock

We don't know the multiplier on seismic

[steep smelt]

because if your basing that off the fact that seismic exerts granting the next attack to trigger multiple times then does it not make sense that only the first of those would be empowered and also as infernal cry only empowers the 1st next attack not the ones after ..... Yea i was just thinking that would that aftershock not effect seismic not the hammer itself 0.o

[sleek depot]

Yutt, all of this assumes a 10 sec cd on chrono which is probably outlandish

Even then, 20 seconds would still be double the dps than without chrono

[steep smelt]

even if your assuing 10sec CD how you gunna build up the endurance charges in 10sec, chrono said it resets health mana and cooldowns in the teaser it said nothing about charges so are we just again hoping it works like that ?

[sleek depot]

That's fair; we still don't know all the aspects of the reset, it seems like a safe assumption but there's no way to know

Not that anyone should leaguestart with chrono/hammer to begin with, given how ambiguous it is

We'd need numbers/testing for sure

[steep smelt]

ya imma be honest i imagine GGG thought about the hammer and chrono combo pretty early on and have put in ways to balance it

[sleek depot]

Otherwise people are going to have another TS Poison Occultist dilemma xd

[sleek depot]

More than likely; your first thought with a class that can reset CD's is: What are the longest CD abilities?
So it would stand to reason chrono is balanced around that idea

[steep smelt]

i would imgaine so yea becuase in theory what ever chrono's CD is will be the highest CD of any ability so if it is low it would be pointless having high CD abilities

[maiden karma]

Something ain't right

[steep smelt]

whats not right ?

[spark silo]

it's unfinished lol

[maiden karma]

They took the shot out of tornado

[spark silo]

[native widget]

Lmao this is literally just summon tornado no?

[maiden karma]

Nah

That tornado absorbed projectile damage, this one multiplies them

[slim cosmos]

WHERE YALL GETTIN THESE NUMBERS AND SKILLS???

[spark silo]

https://poe2db.tw

[slim cosmos]

AWE SHIT TY

[maiden karma]

This is sniper's mark tornado

[steep smelt]

wasnt there something in the video that showed that it summons tornado and then you shot into the tornado and it mulitplies and redirects other shots... if that makes sense

[native widget]

wat?

[spark silo]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ed5a9g2PIoA

[steep smelt]

it was around the same time in the video it showed the merc shooting the bell i cba to look it up right now lol need more coffee first haha

oh there you go aronjerda found it 😄

[spark silo]

can't wait for the screenclearing deadeye ts builds again lmao

[steep smelt]

I can't wait to see what they have done with RF rework 😮

[spark silo]

this makes me wonder if tornados will be able to turn crossbow burst skills into 360° shotguns

[native widget]

Nah

Its now gemling

Deadeye is dead

[spark silo]

💀eye

[steep smelt]

i suppose it depends how the burst works, as said in the video only 1 projectile seems to get multiplied so if the burst skill counts 1 projectile would be cool if each one counts as a different projectile dont think it would be that good

[maiden karma]

Waaaaaaaaait a minute

Delirium is in the game

Does that mean cluster jewels are as well?

All the tree previews we've been shown included the fancy cluster sockets on the edge of the tree

[odd sonnet]

No clusters.

[snow mist]

Asked this once before with varying answers, gonna ask once more out of curiosity lol. Complete newb here. y’think Chrono x Warrior (2h hammer) build viable? Imagine it’ll be trash but love the concept lawl.

[proper pagoda]

trash imo

[pastel forge]

chrono seems cool but like how many builds can actually take advantage of the tools

[daring jay]

i wish they just released the entire skill tree for us to look through. I swear we can already see like 80% of it but its split into like 10 different videoes

[proper pagoda]

True and based

[hexed frigate]

Anybody interessted by blood mage here ? 🙂

[half ingot]

int gives mana and mana only, right?

in poe2

str is life, dex is accuracy

I forgot what int does

[daring jay]

I heard someone say yesterday that marks in POE1 only applies to 1 target. This seems interesting since "hand of chayula" is an AOE ability that applyes curses and marks. what do you think?

[half ingot]

same, I want them to only do that so that we can kind of do a prebuild

I was thinking of making a dex or int stacking monk for my first char, depending on what int does

[daring jay]

hand of chayula will be insane for bosses atleast

would maybe be too strong if it applies marks on packs

[half ingot]

it does

u can also run all curses as auras

with spirit

using blasphemy

also very strong

enfeeble gives u basically a flat 20% dmg reduction

hand of chayula looks like smth I would use for an offesnive curse or mark

definitenly not defensive

[maiden karma]

You are limited to 1 curse

And 1 extra curse is a keystone now

[half ingot]

I think u can run 1 curse and 1 mark

at the same time

not sure

without keystone

[maiden karma]

Marks are curses

[daring jay]

ohhh thats good to know!

[scenic ivy]

no no, marks are not curses in poe 2

There's a distinction now

[daring jay]

it doesnt say "curse" true

[pastel forge]

yea bloodmage seems primed for high life crit builds

[hexed frigate]

@pastel forge but pretty 0 content about it

[pastel forge]

you mean like video showing other nodes?

[hexed frigate]

Yeah, nodes or spells

[scenic ivy]

tbf titan and witch hunter nodes were more of an accidental leak than anything else haha

[pastel forge]

i think there was a comment in some reddit thread talking about the other nodes

[daring jay]

There is videoes on Str, str/dex and dex side of the tree

[pastel forge]

oh wait nvm, that's probably the regular passives

[daring jay]

pretty sure dreamcore is doing a video a day where he shows a side of the tree

there is also like a ton of random gameplay footage where you can see other nodes, but its so tedious having to go through a 4 hour video to see a handfull of nodes

[pastel forge]

Fast Metabolism / Voracious / Savoured blood are leech related nodes on the passive tree i think

[maiden karma]

Can't wait for str/int to have all the cool shit and no classes starting there

[pastel forge]

dont think there's other leaks for blood mage specifically

[maiden karma]

All those nodes are on the opposite side of the tree

Although bloodmage is the only ascendancy that doesn't miss out too much from long travel distances due to life translating into damage

[pastel forge]

gore spike is like a middle node on one of the blood mage paths

so i imagine the last notable in that path will be somewhat crit related too

[maiden karma]

Malice sceptre gonna be huge, depending on how easy it is to avoid minion rolls on it

[pastel forge]

what's the main source of hp tho, i heard there isnt much life nodes on the passive tree now?

is it just stacking str or something?

[proper pagoda]

Yeah str and flat on gear basically

[pastel forge]

i guess if im doing a blood mage caster, im just aiming for min int and putting the rest into str

[daring jay]

Has anyone seen the nodable that says something like "spells that use charges will gain double the benefit from consuming the charge"?

[proper pagoda]

New build idea coming in hot. Volcanic fissure totems. 12x totems spamming fissures. Me rolling slamming around proccing 9000 fissure aftershocks per second

[alpine summit]

Can i build a Bloodmage while totally ignoring the minions side of the witch?

will that be viable

[proper pagoda]

I bet more duration would double dip fissure duration and totem duration

[proper pagoda]

I would imagine so

Should be doable for sure

[alpine summit]

nice

[uncut bay]

kinda like spirit wave in d4? 😃

thats what I want to do

[alpine summit]

havent played too much d4 :(

dont know what is that

[uncut bay]

a blood mage

[scenic ivy]

Yeah combining what we've seen from some clips of infernalist and what jonathan said, they seem to be backing away from making another necromancer ascendancy, because it kind of just pigeon-holes builds into like "Do you want to play minions? Play this one singular ascendancy" like in poe 1, barring occasional guardian minion builds that pop up.

We saw in another clip of infernalist that it seems like the main minion stuff you get from the ascendancies are the small travel passives on the ascendancies where infernalist had like "x% inc minion damage" on one side of the tree, and "x% inc spell damage" on another. So you'd be swayed towards playing minions on witch, but it's not as locked in as it is in poe 1

[proper pagoda]

https://poe2skills.com/share?data=N4IgdghgtgpiBcIBmBLAzmgrgJxgAgBcB7AmKEAGhACNMUAbAEwQG1Q0BrB+hECMAMYw0BbBHp4A7hGzYURbIRJlKILAAd1CgmlYgAbkXoD+KAXlQYccKlAX5GOCAXlhVqXHnUwwMUc9dVCEZGGEYLFE9GaAgAcxs+XAg8IiQ8GCQkGAECEABdAF8Kdi56HkRsI3oUMFi8NHpoVQ0tbB09JAgRGEVnAggBDl0qamqwZioAKzj48NjKzHHVUP0u-tJVMXj8opLuXgALaFhFVMID-FiiRmG1TE1tXXgWEBgAD3V6IhQCKRgIDi+DCqAREQQ+fykcIZLI5dzoX5naTYHbFNSlcogGpZbCQCQCbAAT2a91a7WerygWkkPTCeGiUDiCR8WzpyIJxMKaM4+0Q-zaBwAjpgAQkWo9WFy9mVeGgYOgoGY8BySQ82k8WFL0bywJgylRxerJbttTL4Lr9Xc1eTNSaeWaLfQDaSJc9CoUgA

I think I cooked something sick

[alpine summit]

nice

[daring jay]

Have you thought about how to fill up the 9 skills? xD

i swear having 9 6-links is tough to manage

[proper pagoda]

No. I don't think u necessarily need to. Just a rough concept for now. We don't even know like half the support gems so u can't really go that deep atm

[daring jay]

true that yeah

[proper pagoda]

I just hope there's multi totem support or u can get juiced totem summon speed.

[wet granite]

Anyone planning flicker strike?

[midnight bolt]

that is assuming we will be even able to equip so many, we might not have enouh stats

[daring jay]

yessir

[wet granite]

Yoo, its gonna probably be my first poe2 build

What u got planned up?

[daring jay]

same :D

well you need power charges and i think, depending on where it is on the tree this might be way easier than other ways

with this

[wet granite]

Ohhh

[sterile latch]

every monk will take flickter strike, it just looks too good to miss imo

[wet granite]

Monk as base class?

[daring jay]

honestly i think that depends on where "resonance" is on the tree

you really need that or its gonna feel mid (as far as we know with the nodes we have seen)

there might also be some uniques that gives power charges

[proper pagoda]

Rue was talking about using skeletons and that sacrifice skill for power charges

[daring jay]

I also heard that there is a node somewhere on the tree that gives you 2x benefit from spending a charge. Meaning from 1 charge you would get 6hits with flicker striek

that + you use the support gem with 35% not to consume charges

[proper pagoda]

That sounds busted if true

[daring jay]

so with 3 power charges you would have on average 25 hits with flicker which is insane

[proper pagoda]

Yeah that sounds too broken to be real

But idk

[daring jay]

well it was dreamcore who said it so its true

the only thing is can you get that node + the one i posted up top without gimping your build

[static plinth]

We still have anoints

[daring jay]

TRUE!!!

i forgot about that

thats siiick

[static plinth]

Resonance is the other thing you need?

Im pretty sure thats top left which is kinda ass to reach

[daring jay]

yeah if you can't get power charges reliably without it

[proper pagoda]

What is the node that doubles effect of charges can u lin

I feel like that must have a downside

[daring jay]

he didnt show it

only said it in a interview with talkative tri

[proper pagoda]

Oh.

[static plinth]

I wanna do max frenzy -> Barrage -> max frenzy -> Rain of Arrows

I think that minimum works out to like 2k arrows

[daring jay]

how would you get frenzy charges?

hunters mark or?

[static plinth]

Id have to combine a couple things

My friend is going to be running shield so i might force him to get both Resonance and Conduit

[static plinth]

Assuming Repeats use the same charge number as the first use

[scenic ivy]

player controlled minion lets go

[static plinth]

He's also planning on running Merit of Service so i got stonks

Also the fact we just get really good keystones for a gear piece is awesome

No need to path to Titan's Blood or Iron Reflexes

(assuming you give up basically that entire gear slot for them)

[daring jay]

Something that people don't really think about enough is that since every class can use any skills/weapons, what class you pick really only adds up to whatever ascendancy you like + where you start on the tree. Since that is the case and we don't have full knowledge about ascendancy and the tree you effectively can't choose what you want to play yet until we know.

[wet granite]

Did u read the notable right or am am i trippin?

[daring jay]

1 hit by default + 3 hits per power charge x2 (if you have the notable which 2x effects of consuming a charge) x1.35 from the support gem

[wet granite]

I mean the resonance passive