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prisma spindle
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I could be wrong I guess

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But I don't think I am lol

lavish forge
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fair enough lol

foggy wing
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how do you get lvl 20 gems?

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iiradiated+boss map t15?

stable flint
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Are you juicing your maps? I get 5+ waystone drops every map

prisma spindle
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But augs yes

foggy wing
stable flint
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If youre not juicing your maps then idk

foggy wing
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you do that then you get more maps

stable flint
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It shouldn't be too expensive either, by juicing your maps you get more loot

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You should at the very least be able to break even on exalts

foggy wing
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i mostly alc white ones and you shoudl be good to go

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ocasionally exalt some

stable flint
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Also save rare waystones that might be lower level than what you're looking for

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You can just merge em on reforge bench to higher level

prisma spindle
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Idk I took rarity nodes but even people who have taken those too some people get drops some dont

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But I have like 125 rarity

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I get one nap at my level or higher and 1 ex every 3 maps or so

arctic crag
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I did blue maps until T5 and regaled until T11 and only alched/exalted after that. This is fubgun's atlas tree and it was pretty good for sustain https://imgur.com/cluInLe

stable flint
arctic crag
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had 0 issues until I kept dying in T15s

prisma spindle
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Yesterday I ran like 50 to 60 maps, got like 15 ex, 200 augs

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And mostly t1 maps I had to buy 3s and 4 for regals

arctic crag
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That sounds super low, what tier?

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dont do that many T1s??

prisma spindle
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Which is a huge fucking waste and such shitty game design

arctic crag
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buy from doryani

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use reforging bench

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and try to go higher

prisma spindle
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T1 drop in t 4

stable flint
arctic crag
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you get T1 drop even in T15 dogeKEK

foggy wing
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yeah i get t4 drops in t15 it happens

prisma spindle
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That loser only sells t1 and vary rarely a higher but you get one

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Then no more from him for a while

stable flint
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Rarity boosted is somewhere around ~140

arctic crag
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yea but use reforging bench

prisma spindle
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1 ex per 25 augs

arctic crag
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I have 13% rarity on this char and idk if waystone drops are related to rarity at all?

stable flint
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Also don't just sell any rares you get

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Carefully look them over

prisma spindle
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Idk but I have 125 rarity

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Plus all rarity in the atlas

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I guess I'll change those

stable flint
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I've had a few items I was about to vendor that I ended up selling for 10+ exalts

arctic crag
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do higher tier maps, and get the suffix mods. The waystone drops on rare maps should be like 250 at least iirc.

prisma spindle
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But also I'm not running t1 I buy whatever I need but it's fucking dumb to have to spend a regal per map

foggy wing
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i still have to get more than 2ex for a rare item

prisma spindle
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The game should drop them

arctic crag
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regals are plenty tho, just need to do a bit higher maps

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I regal gear all the time and throw it away if it doenst hit good mods

prisma spindle
arctic crag
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I regaled from like T5 on first char

stable flint
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I been regal/alc since t5

prisma spindle
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Maybe changing the atlas will have a big impact I guess

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If exalts actually dropped it would be ok

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It I got 5 ex per map I'd just buy maps lol

stable flint
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I dont think your item rarity is the problem tbh

prisma spindle
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But 1 ex every 3 maps is insane

arctic crag
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And don't do more than the quest number for the lower maps imo. I think its like 8 from T1-5 and then 6 from that onwards. I just rushed as high as I could go and then paused when I kept dying and kept doing 1 level higher.

stable flint
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Probably lack of magic monsters and smaller packs, because you're running non juiced maps

arctic crag
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T4 is a low tier map tho

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try atlas change first yeah

prisma spindle
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Or better maps

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Rarer

stable flint
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Here's the thing tho

arctic crag
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What if the map mods themselves are very low is their point

stable flint
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If you dont juice maps, you're getting a lot less monsters

arctic crag
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you need quantity, pack size etc

stable flint
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Which means less loot

prisma spindle
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Well blue maps should be fine this early

arctic crag
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1 ex every 4 maps for blue T4s sounds fine tbh

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when you have 3xT4s, immediately reforge and go higher

prisma spindle
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Well combined with no stone drops is the issue

stable flint
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Youre getting no stone drops because you're running blues

prisma spindle
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Really don't

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One 5 or three 4s

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Idk

foggy wing
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you have to go to t15 asap

arctic crag
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ok sure

stable flint
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All my maps have 300% increased waystone drops at the minimum

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And I get like 5 waystones per map

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Most of them are low tier, but just reforge

arctic crag
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and even if you just regal blue maps it should be like 180-250 min iirc

prisma spindle
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Mine are 150 usually but like I said most people I talk to aren't running yellow maps this early really

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Well I'll try it out

arctic crag
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yeah dont run more than 8 T4 maps

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go to T5 and so on

prisma spindle
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10 not 8 ya?

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Need those points no?

stable flint
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Its 10 yeah

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But

arctic crag
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I forget yeah

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but early on reforge is your friend

stable flint
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You dojt have to clear that tier of map for the quest

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Clearing higher tiers gives you the same completion

arctic crag
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you can get to T5, T6 pretty quickly

prisma spindle
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What if I regal some t3s I have

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What's the chance it drops higher

foggy wing
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are you disenchantingg your objects so you get regals?

valid eagle
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blink tp'd me here

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now what

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LOL

prisma spindle
lethal summit
foggy wing
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ok the same thing happens to me

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but if you expend them you get more on better maps

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my brother said to me why are you picking daggers from the ground when on better maps you can be looting plasma guns

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its the being cheap mentality that gets you i know because the same thing happens to me every fucking league XDD

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i have to remind myself of this every time and last one i really started expending on every map

prisma spindle
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Well I have run a decent amount of rare maps but didn't notice a difference really

lethal summit
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we should make every waystone rare and max attributes?

prisma spindle
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The extra rares just dropped a bunch of augs and blue gear lol

foggy wing
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id say under t8-t10 aug and regal

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t10+ alch

prisma spindle
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Alch is wild

foggy wing
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t14+ consider exalting

prisma spindle
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I have 2 characters between 70 and 75 and have like 10 alcs total

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Never seen a divine either

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One divine would change this entire issue or one piece of food gear to sell

foggy wing
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thats normal

empty oracle
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so if im cruising and can do map bosses T15-18 at +4 ( 8 pts in tree ) do i have to unspec those every time i want to try a pinnacle boss to make it lvl 0 or easiest one?

foggy wing
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i have 3 level 85+ char and have had 1 raw div on ground

prisma spindle
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I see lots of people ending cruel with a divine or 2 and over 100 ex

lethal summit
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i'm 72 and saw 2 divs so far

prisma spindle
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See that's wild

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Wild

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One divine is more money than everything I've looted in all my game time combined

lethal summit
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ye that makes sense tbh

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my other exalts in comparison are tiny

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most of my exalts came from selling the divs

prisma spindle
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Well you have 230 ex now lol

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Ya

lethal summit
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ye

prisma spindle
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Idk how ssf people do it, if I were ssf my monk would be using gear from act 3 lol

lethal summit
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haha i only bought 2 items so far

prisma spindle
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I did my first run thru the campaign without trading and my resistances were always negative, zero rarity or movement speed, trash weapon

lethal summit
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belt and amulet cause they are unique

prisma spindle
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Idk how people do it

lethal summit
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i've found a good weapon and got capped res

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no mov speed, some rarity

prisma spindle
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lucky bro

lethal summit
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i capped my cold res like

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5 mins ago tbf

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with some good gloves

foggy wing
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Well you should cap all res if you are doing maps

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there are very good items for 1-2 ex to do that

prisma spindle
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Ya I know I'm saying what the first run was like without trading

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Still not completely capped on monk but close enough

viral blaze
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how fking rare are stellar amulets tf

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didnt get any whole day

foggy wing
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probably i got your cuota

slate solar
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Was everlasting gaze worth something early, but they're worthless now? 👀

valid eagle
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guys easy 10 div no?

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2-5 phys

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everyone would die for it

uncut abyss
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So what drops temporalis?

slate solar
winter chasm
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Ah crud, I forgot that there was a cap on life leech. Outside of increasing my max life, is there any other way to increase the life leech cap?

slate solar
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Trial of Sekhemas 4th floor boss* i think

fading basin
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anyone worked out weapon set allocation in POB yet?

silent pond
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is the limit of times your can portal out of a map displayed somewhere?

fading basin
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so 5 times out 6 times in

silent pond
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OHHH! gotcha

crimson anvil
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guys how much is stellar amulet white selling for?

warm tendon
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Did I missed something? I mean, how can I access my hideout? I'm currently on the endgame and finished already my first 10 1+ maps :/

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Now I have to complete 10 lvl 2+ maps

wanton dawn
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30ex

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when u open map

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there hideout no

warm tendon
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What?

wanton dawn
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when u open ur map

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theres a icon on the right

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that lets u directly tp to ur hideout

sly vigil
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Say I added flesh catalysts to this
What would it even do?

warm tendon
silent pond
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sigh if there are 6 portals why don't they give us 6 chances for doing a maps as well. i just got out of act 6 and i've gone to feeling overpowered to feeling underwhelming and getting one shot already wasted 2 waystones 😦

winter jay
warm tendon
worldly ravine
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I have a question, I'm a new player, and I just finished up act 3 and someone said to get an item filter, I looked on the site and there's a lot of them, which should I get?

wanton dawn
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go to alva

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npc

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to set it up ur hideout

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meta gems dont drop

worldly ravine
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Thank you sm!!

dreamy shadow
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May not be the place, but I used a default "very strict" filter blade. Is there a reason it's allowing blue slicing quarterstaves through but not Tier4 gloves?

crimson anvil
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anyone know what this red is in the fog?

wanton dawn
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citadel

crimson anvil
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is this new?

undone lagoon
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for the atlas map is it resetable? in case you choose the wrong path

crimson anvil
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yes

undone lagoon
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thank you!

ripe cape
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I'm having a hard time sustaining mana on my spark stormweaver with mind over mana. Any tips?

onyx pond
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What do I do when I:

  1. can’t find citadels in 500+ maps
  2. don’t have a path to the pinnacle boss (it’s literally cut off)
wanton dawn
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gem that reduces

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cost

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nodes that make ur skills use less mana

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etcetc

onyx pond
prisma spindle
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I really hope they fix naps

prisma spindle
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Can you screenshot?

onyx pond
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Im on the toilet rn
There is modes around but not one with a path to it (not white line)

hybrid crescent
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since when can like bosses in maps spawn with mana drain

elder ibex
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damn, im having a hard time with t6 maps

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might be time for some upgrades

barren atlas
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how hard is Xesht compared to an area level 82 +4 Difficulty Map boss?

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wondering if its worth buying a breach stone

loud fable
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can someone help me do tier 1 simalcrum?

vagrant summit
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is there any way to put like my health and energy shield next to my cursor or something? i've just died twice to zarokh now due to being too focused on the fight to pay attention to pyro pact killing me lol

near plank
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uhh you can show your hp bar above your character's head

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there's a setting

vagrant summit
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already have that on, not super useful for es cause the es visual on it is quite faint

near plank
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best u can do, sorry

vagrant summit
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:/

tender timber
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do artifact drop rates affect log books?

opal knot
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is it worth putting good waystones in towers now

wanton dawn
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i lovve the new towers maps

upper warren
barren atlas
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lost towerse (new ver) still feels bad to me, but I did Alpine Ridge for the first time and it felt like a good, full fledged map

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also towers can be corrupted now? is this new?

upper warren
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Nope, used to be there before

stiff musk
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anyoen know how to fix pob

silent pond
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how do you know when a regular map is complete?

novel crow
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it says map complete on the top right when you press tab

blissful glade
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what level does the sekemas pledge have to be for 4th ascendency

gaunt scaffold
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Are runic monsters rare monsters?

gaunt scaffold
solemn canyon
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runic monsters can be rare monsters, but no it's just a tag

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assuming it works like poe1, which I have seen no indication otherwise

gaunt scaffold
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So there are non-rare runic monsters? Like they spawn as magic monsters some times?

uncut abyss
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I have mind over matter but it isnt working

solemn canyon
exotic sage
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I swear in poe1 I could lookup items on trade that had minimum amount of total elemental resistance, but I can't seem to do it for poe2. Any help?

digital zodiac
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ive been killing lvl 80 map boss mobs, why cant i get more than 4 levels on map boss atlas tree?

silent pond
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is this map bugged? there's a rare monster outside the map. and one i just killed but the icon still shows

deft gust
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have no idea what to allocate that can help with me being more tanky...
have to fix fire, still no idea what to take, i am missing lvl to hit 75% block
can i get some max fire res or something like that?

uncut abyss
deft gust
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and?

uncut abyss
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u v v close to death

novel crow
deft gust
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dont know if u are joking or trolling or just clueless 😂

uncut abyss
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its working now was just a bug

uncut abyss
toxic cliff
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What should I socket into Herald of Ice for Gas Arrow Cold Explosion?
I have ELE Focus and Magnified Effect already in there

keen hemlock
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I have MoM howd i die

uncut abyss
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Poison?

woeful thunder
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does normal crit chance work on spells?

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or is it just crit chance for spells

keen hemlock
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CI

silver solar
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can the expedition boss spawn from a 78 expedition book

wanton dawn
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normal works

silver solar
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so how does the map bosss spawn

quiet lintel
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does mana recovery (not regen) increase the amount of mana recouped, even though it doesnt show the increase in % recouped?

keen wedge
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Hold up, you get one try for citadels!?

gilded wadi
plush plume
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Are bosses afected by Spiked Shell?

gilded wadi
keen wedge
slate pine
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+2 arrows or 7k dps?

keen wedge
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My node is completely locked out. I can’t even put a map in it.

slate pine
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my widow hail has better dps but less arrows

gilded wadi
keen wedge
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Fuck this. I’m not doing citadels. If I knew that I would have put in a t10 or something.

gilded wadi
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What you can do is unspec your boss atlas passives and Deadly Evolution and use a white T15

keen wedge
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Putting in non juiced next time when I see one in 100 hours again.

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Ugh… this end game needs some work.

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I was looking forward to try citadels today but this is bit unfortunate that node gets locked out.

humble wadi
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you can't freeze/chill/shock mobs in a simulacrum or in a delirium?

lavish forge
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ok poe newb here, but people are telling me:

  1. you can corrupt a skill gem (spark) not only for +1 level, but also +1 link at the same time.
  2. you can get 6 support slots on it that way.

is that true? or is it either +1 level or +1 link, and can you actually get 6 support slots on a skill gem? ie can i get a +21 6link spark?

plush plume
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PLEASE tell me this also works on boss room Pogott

lavish forge
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it does

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but, the final boss can kill you if you take too long i think

sage oriole
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In act 1 cruel if u kill the boss who gave u spirit in act 1 normal, it have u spirit again or not??

plush plume
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Server went down when I purchased

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I am scared

lavish forge
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but if your dps is there, sell boosts for ascendancy

radiant plank
lavish forge
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so i have a 5link lvl19 20qual right now

radiant plank
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1/3 chance you get the last slot

lavish forge
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so corrupt, just pray to rngesus for both 6link and +1 level?

radiant plank
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I mean sure yeah

sage oriole
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In act 1 cruel if u kill the boss who gave u spirit in act 1 normal, it have u spirit again or not??

radiant plank
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If you can't find a perfect, I'd do it

lavish forge
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perfect?

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oh i have 1

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didnt realize i could do another perfect for 6 slots

radiant plank
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There ya go I guess

lavish forge
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so corrupt pray for +1 level, then in a few years find a lvl 20 gem lol

radiant plank
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If you're in early game, it's a good idea to Vaal for 3 link or 4 link

lavish forge
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nah im 92 sorc

radiant plank
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3-4 link is a huge damage boost early game when you just start out endgame and don't have lesser orbs.

lavish forge
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gotcha

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appreciate it! im excited lmao

gilded wadi
runic marten
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anyone mind giving me a hand with xesht rq? i dont wanna waste this breachstone lol

wanton dawn
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u got it big bro

fading kettle
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I need help defeating the final boss in act

sharp heath
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Can you modify the annoinment of an amulet if it is corrupted?

runic marten
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did it myself nvm

wanton dawn
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xcuze you

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with out blessings

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our

runic marten
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oops

limber swift
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anyone got a good atlas tree waystone sustain? cant keep my t15s

marble fjord
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What are some desirable mod on ritual tablet?

runic marten
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rarity and quantity i believe

fervent geyser
marble fjord
fervent geyser
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ah ok, then maybe check poedb for what can roll on them and go for whatever looks most fun to you

solemn canyon
silent pond
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do you have to kill all the monsters in a map or just the rares cos...

limber swift
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anyone got a good sustain Atlas tree?

prisma spindle
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Just ran 3 maps.....zero map drops

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Switched atlas tree too

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First map I got 2 one level 3 and a 1

fervent geyser
prisma spindle
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Now not one for 3 juiced maps

prisma spindle
marble fjord
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da hell is this

fervent geyser
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thx 🙂

wanton dawn
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lmaooo

opal knot
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is it me or are trials more rewarding than maps

solar haven
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is it common to get multiple fragments from a citadel?

fervent geyser
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so its more about what you are looking for and what content you are interested in

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if you want the boring answer, its a unique map called "vaults of kamasa", looks to be ritual related

solar haven
fervent geyser
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is that answer more satisfactory for you? 🙂

silent pond
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Finally after 2 hours i complete a map!

opal knot
silent pond
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and it's just the first node jeez

opal knot
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at least in trials i can consistently get some divines from selling cores or jewels

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and sometimes mahu from tmaster

solar haven
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the raw loot payout from sekh trials is higher than a lot of maps, but maps have stuff like breach/ritual etc

fervent geyser
solar haven
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if youve got good relics sekh trials are p good for gear upgrades and selling

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but only if you can consistently clear

fervent geyser
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and enjoy the gameplay

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dont farm something you dont like, the most important thing is still having fun

silent pond
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can you change hideouts anytime?

wanton dawn
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ye

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via npc

lament socket
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is 355% rarity good? just wondering

prisma spindle
gilded wadi
lament socket
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ahh ok

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thanks

solar haven
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clearing them will give you the respective hideout theme

safe orbit
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Why is my cast on dodge with spark not working

zenith garden
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Anyone know the buttons to press on playstation to change my premium stash tab settings

viral stratus
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Anyone know the max characters you can create? Without having to pay for more

zenith garden
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Also is there a way to fix the screen boundaries? I can't see stuff at the bottom and left hand side if the screen. The margin thing in the options setting doesn't help

fervent geyser
# marble fjord Sorry I got triggered

no problem, i didnt take it personally, i didnt mean it as a "bad answer" i just like to encourage people to find that "non impactful" stuff out for themselves, had you asked for something like the mirror i would have given a more detailed answer 🙂

viral stratus
fervent geyser
zenith garden
prisma spindle
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Also there's this

solar haven
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no like, a node with this modifier

prisma spindle
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But I can't interact with them

solar haven
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those two are for later on, once youre doing high tier maps

prisma spindle
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I see

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Thanks

viral stratus
marble fjord
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What are some filter availble out there aside from neverlink?

wanton dawn
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theres plenty

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im using neversink

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idk who neverlink is lol

zenith garden
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Ok so you guys see how the buttons at the bottom of the screen are cut off? It's like that for menu buttons and map buttons too. Changing the screen margins does nothing and im on console. How do I fix this

wanton dawn
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resize it then

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are u on tv

zenith garden
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Yeah

wanton dawn
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mess with the tv settings

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on the displaz

clear mesa
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why is Astramentis so expensive?

wanton dawn
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cuz its good lol

clear mesa
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is a max of +120 all attributes worth foregoing an amulet more tuned for your build? something like +3 to minion or osmething

wise edge
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this is gonna sound stupid but god tier 1 is hard ;-;

austere igloo
austere igloo
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which means 100 energy per cast required.

novel crow
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nod

austere igloo
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huh?

novel crow
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just acknowledging

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sec

austere igloo
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I kill them with sacrifice just in case.

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all five in single spawn

novel crow
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sec lemme investigate

austere igloo
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Either Sacrafice acting weird or Cast On Minion death came straight from PoE1. kek

novel crow
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so it should activate after killing 3 minions

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you have +89%

austere igloo
novel crow
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no

austere igloo
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hows not

novel crow
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wait lemme think and calculate lol

austere igloo
novel crow
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you have +89%, and you get 50 base energy for one minion, so that's 94 energy per minion

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so it should activate once after 2* minions die

novel crow
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you need 100 energy for it to activate

austere igloo
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no its not how its works

novel crow
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yes it is

austere igloo
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wait, what is +89% at all

jagged hound
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89% increased energy gained

novel crow
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it's +89%, so 189% total

jagged hound
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Idk where they get 89 i only see 86

austere igloo
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Where you get it from

novel crow
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so like I said 94 energy per minion

jagged hound
austere igloo
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oh

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shit

jagged hound
novel crow
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oh 86 I mean yeah so even less

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either way 2 minions have to die for it to activate

jagged hound
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Does Energy rollover if you have excess

novel crow
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if you add another 14% meta bonus, you'll get it activate per minion death

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can get that via a jewel or passive node(s)

austere igloo
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oh, ye, right. So.
0.1 = 10 energy.
Cast time of Lightning ball is 1sec.
100 energy to cast Lightning Ball.

I get 86%inc energy, which means i getting 94.5 per minion death. Right?

novel crow
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yes

austere igloo
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I also have quality

novel crow
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it probably rounds down too

austere igloo
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that do over 94

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which makes it 5 casts

novel crow
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but the quality is already reflected there

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the 86%

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Here's my COF example; I need +160% for it to activate on freezing a rare

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because I have a total of 1.3s of cast time in mine

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a rare is worth 50 energy

lapis willow
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is it possible to run out of maps on the atlas?

austere igloo
# novel crow it probably rounds down too

Oh, you think so. Okay.
Then two facts:

  1. Rounding in Poe works to lower side. Which means I cant cast 5 for 5 minions. (so its 94%)
  2. Putting impetus and energy retention doesn't do anything. I still have 5 casts.
novel crow
lapis willow
#

damn im gnna need to do a lot of scrolling then

novel crow
jagged hound
novel crow
#

unless they use unsigned integers or 64 bit

jagged hound
#

Either way you wont be getting there unless you do nothing but crank maps for years

viral stratus
zenith garden
# wanton dawn resize it then

So I switched the zoom on my TV and it isn't the TV settings. The game just has those buttons cut off permanently no matter what setting you change. So I guess fuck console lol

wanton dawn
#

try in xbox

#

display settings

#

there gotta be a waz

austere igloo
#

Making minion 6 I cast 6 balls.

buoyant raven
#

hello, is grand regalia guaranteed drop from burning ash?

zenith garden
wanton dawn
#

seee

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seeeeeeee

zenith garden
#

Lol thanks

wise edge
#

idk if im bad or my class or just true, tier 1 maps are making me cry ;-;

lone forge
#

anyone need trials?

zenith garden
#

Shout out to elons maps 😆

swift brook
#

Is there a discord for POB?

gaunt scaffold
#

Do you guys like the towers mechanic?

swift brook
#

As a whole? I think so. The new layout though? A million times yes

prisma spindle
#

Or runs?

gaunt scaffold
#

I like it too. On reddit there is a lot of grumbling about towers.

#

Lots of people want to just Alc and Go.

lone forge
gaunt scaffold
#

But personally I prefer the greater strategy and planning that towers add

prisma spindle
#

No thanks

opal knot
#

mapping as a whole still needs work imo

#

hyper endgame at least

gaunt scaffold
opal knot
gaunt scaffold
#

Yeah I would like that too.

#

Give me a search/filter option for Atlas

opal knot
#

improving crafting would be good too

prisma spindle
gaunt scaffold
prisma spindle
#

I get zero map drops

#

Trial coins

#

Currency's

silent pond
#

so you can't move the map device in your hideout?

prisma spindle
#

Just stuck running shitty content

opal knot
#

could improve it a little at least

gaunt scaffold
swift brook
#

I can't seem to find a discord related to POB so I will ask here.

Is anyone else experiencing general innacuracy with POB? IE I have everything in POB identical to my character. DPS number isn't accurate, my attributes themselves aren't correct, I allocating nodes unrelated to attributes (such as testing other nodes) and then swapping back to the same nodes afterwards results in an inconsistent dps number. And more

gaunt scaffold
novel crow
# austere igloo Okay look.

sorry was afk, what am I looking at? For whatever reason the video I see here on discord is only a static image

novel crow
#

yeah I know it's supposed to be a video, but my discord is having a moment

austere igloo
#

Well in short: it do not work as intended. I writing post in bugs on forum. Will link you if you want. With better things explained.

swift brook
novel crow
#

I hear audio but see no video, just a static image

novel crow
#

it's working now though, started about 2 wks ago

swift brook
neon lily
#

do i not run HoWa in an ice strike build

swift brook
#

You do

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Unless your not playing a good build or your on hyper budget

#

Because HOWA is cheap now

#

Good corruption HOWAS are only 7 div. That's a lot for some but not really

neon lily
#

thats allot for me lol

#

Item Class: Gloves
Rarity: Unique
Hand of Wisdom and Action
Furtive Wraps

Quality: +20% (augmented)
Evasion Rating: 60 (augmented)
Energy Shield: 23 (augmented)

Requirements:
Level: 52
Dex: 46
Int: 46

Sockets: S S

Item Level: 84

+23 to Dexterity
+18 to Intelligence
3% increased Attack Speed per 25 Dexterity
Adds 1 to 10 Lightning Damage to Attacks per 10 Intelligence

She thinks and we act.
She acts and we think.
Fragments of the whole that washes clean the skies.

Corrupted

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is the one i currently have

wanton dawn
#

im not touching POB untill GGG enables API

trail beacon
#

is this op for poison conc? looks really good, maybe multiple divines?

#

idk what build use it tho

orchid zenith
#

at which point does this activate
when i apply the tablet to an area or on each map individually?

swift brook
swift brook
#

Idk what your worried about

neon lily
#

i just wasnt sure

onyx chasm
#

so this is not working for the in game builds yet? right?

austere igloo
#

@novel crow ok lmao

#

i think i figured out.

novel crow
#

do go on

swift brook
waxen wing
#

where do I go to find ascendancy 4 run for sale

novel crow
#

for sale on the tft discord server

swift brook
#

TFT

novel crow
onyx chasm
novel crow
#

somebody might carry for fun and extra rewards of their own

austere igloo
#

I have 0.96 cast speed, not 1 second somehow.
I getting 472 energy from 5 brutes and I need to have 470 to cast because of those 0.04% cast speed. kek

Tho, it do not matters anyway. If I add cast speed to gems i get 0.77 cast speed, 6 casts in that case cost 462 energy and I do only 5 out of brutes.
As well as impetus/retention do not help.

#

@novel crow

storm crystal
#

is there a resource out there that shows all the possible prefix/suffix on jewel bases? Im trying to see what possible combos i can look into but trying to find what specifically does/doesnt roll on any given jewel is a huge pain

novel crow
#

what?

#

sorry gonna take me a sec to process

#

The base cast speed is all that matters btw

#

it doesn't care if you have increased or decreased cast speed

#

in cast on *

neon lily
#

how do i do the double bell set up

swift brook
novel crow
#

it says 10 energy per *base cast time

neon lily
#

you can do that

swift brook
#

....

#

How else would people run...two bells?

austere igloo
#

Thats good to know.

novel crow
#

yeah so quality that affects cast speed and cooldown makes no difference when in cast on gems

#

and neither do any of your passives

austere igloo
#

This is going dumber and dumber. kek
Had to recount again. So no matter what Lightning Ball price is 100 energy. Gotcha.

novel crow
#

exactly

#

wait lemme check lightning ball

#

you mean ball lightning sorc spell?

#

righto

stiff musk
#

how do i fix this

novel crow
#

you don't, they need to fix bugs as it's still very new code

#

they're pretty quick with new releases, just accept you can't do whatever that action was at the moment

glad pike
#

Hi. How Ricochet works?

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(chain from terrain)

stiff musk
#

making a new profile/opening my previous gives this

austere igloo
#

@novel crow what if it's actually only single shit in the PoE1/PoE2 that getting rounded tower bigger side? But rounding +30 more energy sounds Fup. lol

stiff musk
#

i cant do anything in pob at all

#

"that action" is me trying to start up pob

novel crow
stiff musk
#

other people seem to be able to use it tho so idk

novel crow
austere igloo
stiff musk
#

i spent 1h maunally adding all my shit and now i have to restart

austere igloo
#

But its weird.

stiff musk
#

oh boy

austere igloo
#

I never seen bigger side rounding in both PoE games. Especially THAT big.

novel crow
#

I didn't say it rounded up

obsidian oak
#

I know Archmage Stormweaver is the best version of sorcerer but how does Chronomancer stack up? I wanna try out the ascendancy

novel crow
#

I said it rounded down

#

so if you have 84.5% you get 84

normal magnet
#

Even if you have 84.9% it is still 84%

novel crow
#

yep

#

the arpg world is harsh

#

lol

austere igloo
#

Ok

#

you know what

#

it DO NOT FUCKING MATTER ANYMORE

#

Each time I alt tab to discord this shit goes +0.04 or -0.04

#

It was +0.04 on one set and -0.04 on another

#

And prior that it was 96.4

#

what the hell

#

I changed NOTHING.

swift brook
austere igloo
#

All auras is TURNED OFF

#

holy shit

stiff musk
swift brook
novel crow
stiff musk
cedar basin
#

so im playing MoM , what the actual h ell can i do about the mana draining aoe guys, tey essentially cannot be killed and end my runs if they spawn in like aritual or breach or something its just over

stiff musk
#

i cant enter pob at all

swift brook
#

You said that already

swift brook
#

Idk it's buggy what do you want us to do

novel crow
#

or kill from far far away

stiff musk
#

??

#

im just asking if theres a fix

#

my bad if i cant ask questions here

cedar basin
novel crow
#

correct

#

I made that mistake too

swift brook
cedar basin
#

OMFFG

stiff musk
novel crow
#

lol same thing I felt

stiff musk
#

if u arent blind

novel crow
#

I felt so stupid

stiff musk
#

dont come and put words in my mouth

novel crow
#

those mana drains were killing me regularly till someone pointed that out to me

viral stratus
#

Yeah, going super close is the trick

swift brook
# stiff musk how do i fix this

This doesn't tell me you can't access POB. I got this error and I can still
Open POB.

You can ask questions; but do you notice this isn't a POB development discord

swift brook
stiff musk
#

yea no shit but im trying to see if anyone fixed it?

#

is it so wrong to ask

#

u can open it but i cant

#

thats why im asking

swift brook
#

Just probably not the appropriate place. But to answer; no I haven't

limpid rapids
#

Does anyone know where to advertise 4th ascendancy carry?

swift brook
#

Right; and there's lots of bugs. Certain skills create a bug where it locks up the profile. I would suggest waiting on POB for a few days if you don't want to deal with bugs

stiff musk
#

this is the only help channel there is so im trying my luck here

limpid rapids
#

the league of legends game?

#

teamfight tactics?

swift brook
swift brook
stiff musk
stiff musk
limpid rapids
#

oh okay ty

stiff musk
#

he obviously dont know what tft is

pseudo barn
limpid rapids
#

I was confused cause this is my first time playing this game

swift brook
swift brook
#

I'm just very direct

stiff musk
#

he doesnt give any helpful information at all

swift brook
# stiff musk he doesnt give any helpful information at all

I give helpful information when concise questions are asked. I may have been too brash with your questions and I apologize.

I also probably could've not abbreviated TFT. But it actually doesn't make sense to think you would advertise it in a league of legends game

#

You're right though I'm being a bit brash. I apologize

solemn canyon
#

have you heard of this thing called humour

swift brook
#

Your luck with POB would be Reddit or GitHub

swift brook
austere igloo
swift brook
#

Yes but, you can't cast part of a skill in a second lmao

solemn canyon
novel crow
austere igloo
#

its still 4% Can't count kek

swift brook
# solemn canyon huh, what do you mean by this

You can't half cast spark or any skill. Your cast speed can go up but if you don't hit the breakpoint for another full cast or attack per second, the bonus doesn't matter. Assuming it's small enough that it doesn't give a full cast

solemn canyon
#

is it a conditional resetting

swift brook
solemn canyon
#

casts and attacks are not locked to second-long increments

swift brook
#

Bruh....

swift brook
#

In the tooltip it will tell you

solemn canyon
#

tickrate, maybe

swift brook
#

For instance my tempest flurry is 14.94 attacks per second. I'm not getting a 94/100th attack

solemn canyon
#

bring up the tooltip and I will tell you how you're wrong, because there is absolutely no way that is true

swift brook
#

That's just stupid

solemn canyon
#

please spend a tiny bit of brainpower on realising how off target your logic is

austere igloo
swift brook
#

Yes

#

Obviously

austere igloo
#

you can't do 2 attacks in 1 second if you have 0.75 attack speed @solemn canyon

solemn canyon
#

what kind of stupid misleading statement is that to make

swift brook
#

Im talking about cast speed from casts per second because I have the flu and I don't want to do the math.

swift brook
austere igloo
#

Second attack wont hit till you hold skill for 0.75 seconds more @solemn canyon
Like tempest flurry for example.

solemn canyon
#

seconds are just a convenient way of measuring, they have nothing to do with the actual attack speed calculation

#

they are not rounded to seconds

austere igloo
swift brook
#

But...what? What are you saying? It's literally telling you how many times you attack in that space of time

#

This guy is a piece of work stop engaging. Either a troll or an idiot

austere igloo
#

@solemn canyon you can't do 2.4 attacks per second, because 0.4 is not full 3rd attack. Do you understand that? kek 3rd attack wont hit in a timespan of a second.

swift brook
#

"Bro it's stupid to think having 60 minutes in an hour, and it taking 5 minutes to cook a hot pocket means you can only cook 12 hot pockets in an hour. That's stupid. Get a second microwave."

solemn canyon
#

you can do 2.4 attacks per second, on the turn of the second your third attack is 40% complete lmao

#

and I appreciate that you are trying to interpret cross's message for me but please reread it

swift brook
#

Your literally describing what we're saying the hard way

#

What I have said makes sense

austere igloo
solemn canyon
#

if you don't hit the breakpoint for another full cast or attack per second, the bonus doesn't matter
this is patently untrue

#

the only way you could possibly argue it is true is if you were macroing exactly 1 second click holds

austere igloo
swift brook
#

Yes I'm a literal sense, you are in the animation for said attack, but it has no impact on the game until the animation finishes which scales accurately with your cast speed

obsidian tinsel
#

got a morior invictus from my first arbiter. just curious how much is this realistically

solemn canyon
#

I'm pretty sure those are the most expensive rolls possible so lmao

swift brook
obsidian tinsel
#

trade site ranges from 20div (probably fake) to like over 100div

swift brook
#

Over 100 div is also probably fake.

obsidian tinsel
#

im kinda stuck in between

solemn canyon
sage oriole
#

Did i make a good craft or is mid:

solemn canyon
obsidian tinsel
solemn canyon
undone lagoon
#

Is it bad in one of my maps I didn't denote stuff for the npc? I sort of forgot and just moved on 😦

obsidian tinsel
#

new to poe2 so this helps

austere igloo
#

@novel crow so, back to bullshit math:

  1. If the only factor that matters is the basic cast speed, which is 1 second, it means I need 500 energy to cast 5 Balls.

  2. I have 89% energy increase, which means I get 94.5 energy per minion death, rounded to 94.

  3. Upon killing mine 5 Skeletal Brutes with Sacrafice, I do cast 5 balls and my tooltip for Cast on Minion Death shows 0% energy. This seems unrealistic, as the total energy gain from all 5 minions' deaths is 470. It should actually be around 70% energy on tooltip after the 4th cast happens.

sharp eagle
#

Has anyone seen videos of the Planetary orbs effect ?

urban abyss
#

hey , if u join someone else boss/invite do you still get atlas passive or it need to be ur map for it to count towards atlas?

urban abyss
solemn canyon
austere igloo
novel crow
#

or passives?

solemn canyon
#

ah, right

novel crow
#

and all the energy goes to zero after each cast even if you have gone over the energy requirements

solemn canyon
#

is the skeletal brute's power 1?

novel crow
#

there is no buffered stored extra energy

#

at least not as far as I'm aware, there are specific skills that explain the excess carries over

#

"Energy retention" do you have that support equipped?

#

or the "Energise" notable passive?

solemn canyon
#

why don't you kill a single one to see how much you're actually getting

austere igloo
#

No matter how many brutes or what do I use. 1 Brute 100 energy.

#

Either minions have a different power.

spare condor
#

does anyone else have a problem with sustaining mana flasks with PCOC after the patch? I am running out of flasks all the time now. Before patch i did not care at all.

wicked badge
#

any new players need maps?

viral stratus
cedar basin
#

when irefun passive points, do they perminently become slightly more expensive each time i do it , like not a flat price?

#

so i cant cheaply refun points herea nd there really easy?

compact lichen
cedar basin
mortal crescent
#

for 4th ascendancy i need to do trial of chaos 3 times? and then kill trial master?

austere igloo
#

@novel crow Okay, this shit is indeed being rounded, but I have no idea how it's doing it.

When I managed to catch 94% energy tooltip, I used 14-level (+6) CoMD, so level 20, 57% inc gain. After killing 5 Brutes 3 ball cast happened, I had either 392.5 rounded to 392 energy or 390 if the rounding is happening every time a minion dies and not keeping 0.5 somewhere overtime.
However, this still doesn't explain how I managed to get a 94% energy gain tooltip, because 92/90 out of 100 energy is not a 94 on tooltip.

To clarify, I don't have any bonuses for energy gain.

Adding Impetus to the mix would give me 97.5 energy per kill, which means I'd get either 487.5 (rounded to 487) energy or 485 if the rounding is happening every time a minion dies. In both cases, I'm able to cast 5 Balls.

So, in the first scenario, I'd get 390/392 energy rounded to 300, and in the second scenario, I'd get 487/485 rounded to 500.

compact lichen
mystic dome
#

yk whats fun

mortal crescent
mystic dome
#

having the game crash your entire pc

#

on the latest patch

#

not sure why

compact lichen
compact lichen
#

u can also buy them from exchange tho

timber lynx
#

Are maps typically pretty hard off rip from act 3 cruel?

silk sundial
#

is there something i can do about my toon losing 2/3 of their effective health/honor if i get a random boon that takes all of the es?

crimson lynx
#

Is this good? And if so how much?

crimson lynx
empty spoke
#

could i make this better?

brittle sundial
fervent geyser
austere igloo
#

Or no. Holy shit.
Fuck that. Okay, the last observation in specific situation shows that single kill of brute give 0% energy, and kill of second after first one make buff tooltip show 94% energy.
So either buff tooltip is pure shit, or they give 47% each.
But if they give 47% each, it would mean I would be able to cast only 2 Ball Lightning, when I cast 3.
Some really shit rounding going on there.

minor pendant
#

Anyone know why I can't allocate a point for my first weapon set? These are the two warnings the game gives but I don't understand... I have 1 passive avail

sudden tinsel
#

anyone got a link to the trading server?

pseudo barn
rustic canyon
#

I have this quest, but Doryani doesn't have this option to talk about it in hideout or refuge

gaunt scaffold
#

Can you stack this over 100% with tablets?

rustic canyon
pseudo barn
#

No idea, people just have asked this before and this advice usually works for them. I never had any issues in regards to that quest so I don't have any more details sry.

rustic canyon
#

ok, thanks anyway

#

I will try act 3

gaunt scaffold
#

Is there a way to reduce deli fog?

pseudo barn
gaunt scaffold
#

It makes maps look like horseshit

#

I hope they tone it down a little

robust geyser
#

how elemental storm work i though if i get any skill at 5 link it will tranform to 5 link too

novel flame
#

the lesson i learnt from my 1st fight of arbiter of ash -
dont hesitate to ask for carry, you will possibly waste the fragments 🥹

vivid linden
#

How do ES users sacrifice minions to gain extra ES? What are the gems they use?

austere sandal
#

does pob shows me if I freeze targets?

robust geyser
orchid summit
#

can someone help me out , if i defer an item how to i ever get 4k to buy this

#

do any tribunes ever roll over

opal badge
opal badge
austere sandal
#

the price goes down every time you defer it

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just keep defering until u can afford

orchid summit
#

you can only defer the thing once tho right

opal badge
#

Multiple times

orchid summit
#

ohh i see

#

thank you so much

opal badge
#

Think of it as an installment plan

austere sandal
tawny relic
#

do the retries for the arbiter of ash fight work correctly?

coarse mortar
#

Can you do an ascendancy trial with another person? So you both get the points, how would that work?

pseudo barn
lavish yoke
#

Hi Guys. I am currently utilizing uber strict filterblade loot filter.
I added 5 small changes to get some loot to try crafting/identifying, and I am not happy with the outcome. Could you recommend me a resource (video or guide) where I could learn how to tune it to my needs in filterblade?
I'll explain now what I've done and what I need.
As I am usually running lvl 79-81 maps, I wanted to enable "show" on some lower lvl bases. But I wan't to gather only the ones for my build (as there is too much shit to pick up). For example, I want to pick up all wands, but only chimning staff from stafs. Also I don't want to see any scepters or boots that require anything else than inteligence to wear.
There is a screen of the changes

pseudo barn
coarse mortar
pseudo barn
#

Yes

coarse mortar
#

Dope, thanks

valid eagle
#

what does this do

lavish yoke
#

but you need the 2 others as well, you can buy them, or sell this one as well

frigid lantern
#

Do I have to do waystone that is the same tier or can I do higher for it to count?

valid eagle
#

what does it do does it give me some stat boost?

lavish yoke
#

No.

valid eagle
#

oh.

#

so it just does nothing?

lavish yoke
valid eagle
#

oh

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ohhh

#

its fgor that boss

#

alruight

#

ty

lavish yoke
#

np

frigid lantern
lavish yoke
#

No

tawny relic
pseudo barn
kindred arch
#

Gothic is better?

long coral
#

does the type of map you use on vaults of kamasa matter at all? just got it for the first time

pseudo barn
tawny relic
#

adding quantity and rarity should be beneficial

#

maybe even amount of chests, but it´s hard to say

vivid linden
#

Is there class specific channels somewhere?

vivid linden
#

Thanks, I feel like having open-ended channels would be better tho for chitchat

chrome hollow
#

Just started fresh on endgame, should I just be doing the quests for atlas points?

#

All I know is to put trans and aug on my maps

pseudo barn
chrome hollow
#

Ive been able to do tier 3s so far

robust geyser
#

it triger after kill boss or moving to next floor?

loud fable
#

can anyone that can kill simulacrum (delirium boss area) help me? i have the entry item

chrome hollow
# pseudo barn Pretty much

Should I be prioritizing certain nodes? I've primarily gone for hideouts so far but the other special nodes I do randomly

pseudo barn
#

Properly minmaxing aka juicing your maps latter on is a completely different topic tho.

chrome hollow
#

Should I be rushing my tiers? My quests are for tier 2 completions but I'm pretty comfy doing tier 3/4s

pseudo barn
#

I don't remember if higher tiers work for the early quest stage. Later on they do.

#

Just try if doing a t3/4 progresses your quest.

chrome hollow
#

Also do the nodes ever refresh? Or does the whole map have a "limited" amount of areas to play on in total?

chrome hollow
#

Thats great, thanks for the help bro

pseudo barn
#

But maps don't refresh no

opal badge
#

question for those with their 6-8th Map Boss atlas passives - can a regular unjuiced t15 waystone work for a Boss+Irradiated+Corrupted map? I really don't want to waste the nodes I have to a bad random accident

naive wasp
pseudo barn
#

English isn't my first language and looking up the word integer wasn't of any use to figure out what you mean.

#

Excuse my ignorance

naive wasp
#

2147483647 that's the largest number

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But yeah was meant more as a joke but wrong crowd haha

hidden vector
#

which one is better to keep and use, if anyone has suggestion? For Infernalist using Arsonists.

opal badge
#

damn, that's a tough choice

hidden vector
#

It does seem like a toss up, I'm having trouble deciding lol

opal badge
#

more spirit feels better though

#

you can summon one additional minion with that?

hidden vector
#

yep, kinda my thoughts as well, definitely get an extra arsonist out of it

opal badge
#

in my experience playing summoners in any ARPG ever, 1 minion is effectively 90-100% increased damage

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would be nice to transfer ele res to life regen, but if you kill fast enough you don't need defenses 😄

hidden vector
#

brings me up to 11 Arsonists w/ it actually

opal badge
#

that sounds obscene

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i'm no summoner but it sounds obscene

hidden vector
#

I've just hit T15 maps actually past day or two, it's going.. smoothly, so far

austere sandal
#

do we know the resistances of rares in t15 maps ?

#

I want to know how much resistance pen is valuable

opal badge
opal badge
austere sandal
#

im at 50 rn

opal badge
#

50% exposure?

austere sandal
#

50% pen

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65 and 44

opal badge
#

penetration is different from exposure

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penetration ignores the monster's current resistance

austere sandal
#

well I was talking abt penetration not exposure

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yeah

opal badge
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yeah penetration is nice but it doesn't scale as well

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you want exposure

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THEN pen

chilly wadi
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is there any new link to download PoB

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chilly wadi
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doesnt work

austere sandal
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its down rn

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there is a problem with ppl getting banned in marvel rivals when pob is open

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and im not even kidding

opal badge
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ROFL what

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funny af

odd imp
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How do you properly use this search term, always confuses me

opal badge
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that appears on gloves and weapons IIRC

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what are you looking for specifically?

oak remnant
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what happened to path of building? the links dont work????????

opal badge
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sounds like an unexpected hack detection (memory address issue?) with marvel rivals.

austere sandal
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on gloves and rings

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ah

austere sandal
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weapons have only adds cold damage without the to attacks keyword

opal badge
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right my bad, To Attacks is generic so it wouldn't go on weapons that can't use it

sharp heath
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How do you make a tablet rare? Since regal orb doesnt work

austere sandal
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you cant

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they are only magic

sharp heath
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😦

serene hearth
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Hey I’m level 65 with really good lvl 50 gear should I upgrade my gear now that I have maps or wait until I’m lvl 70

opal badge
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yes, get some cheap exalt upgrades for lower tier maps

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level 65 is the next tier of gear

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you'll start feeling the pain

serene hearth
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Gotcha

robust geyser
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could someone show me archmage lvl 19 stats?

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sorry mine's 19+1 xD

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oh wait here we go

austere sandal
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here are all the lvls

formal hawk
vivid linden
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Oh you cannot create a portal inside a boss area in maps anymore? ;D

weary tendon
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is there a way to finish citadel maps?

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killed boss and every rare but still not done

novel flame
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which classes are the top on nuking the bosses?

balmy hinge
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Ok I've met a plateau in this game, currently lvl 92 gemling stat stacker I can easily do T15-18 maps, for difficulty like T3? pinnacle bosses I have to kinda try can't rly 1shot them.
But I am not gaining any currency because the rarity system is awful.

I don't rly know what to do from here, farming things like ingenuity is too expensive and can't afford things like astramentis.

How do I gain progress/currency from here? Learn to find what good crafts are and sell them?

novel flame
austere sandal
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maybe your atlas tree is wrong

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or you dont juice maps right

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are u doing breach? delirium? ritual?

balmy hinge
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breach

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for juicing I do rarity to softcap then quantity

austere sandal
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are u stacking tablets?

balmy hinge
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ye

lime gull
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For a second character, is it ok to go with neversink uber strict? Or do I miss something very important?

austere sandal
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u got 8/8 points in the breach tree?

balmy hinge
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well I have 6/8 don't have the "sustained siege" which probably does quite a bit but I should still be getting stuff no?

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but have the 10x breach node

austere sandal
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sustained siege is huge tho

vivid linden
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Do Stellar Amulet need to be a specific ilvl to be able to chance into Astramentis?

austere sandal
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but yeah u should still get stuff

austere sandal
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are u picking only currency from the ground or are u picking gear too?

balmy hinge
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gear but I am not very proficient in what is like

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good

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for all armor

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or weps

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just some

austere sandal
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well its gonna take a while to figure it out

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but yeah picking good gear from the ground should help

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im getting abt 20-30 ex in raw currency per map

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not counting divines

balmy hinge
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I kinda leaned to farming chaos because breach wasnt profitable really

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like 1 divine out of 40 breaches

undone merlin
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Ooh man, I really like maps with 587% experience but no loot. Went from 1 bar into lvl 80 to halfway to next level with that 1 map

near lodge
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Is there a button to show my location in the endgame map?

balmy hinge
balmy hinge
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mine was a bit different, can try this for maps.

austere sandal
balmy hinge
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Like 40

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a bit more maybe

austere sandal
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hmm im getting 50 , so you are not clearing slow

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idk then you probably dont juice them properly

balmy hinge
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I guess I can look it up on some guide again, maybe the previous one I used was bad.

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Juicing

balmy hinge
celest surge
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What is the strongest late game Witch accendency?

sly vigil
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Somone said my hexblast build was a restart earlier cause I picked up the story life buffs

They were wrong

vague pike
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None of the Venom vial choices should be build breaking

sly vigil
primal fern
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Ok my atlas won’t load like half the map for some reason (on console) like part of the map is missing

sly vigil
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Also all my resist being 76 besides chaos hurts my ocd

uneven heath
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hey there i have a stupid question, i have a bunch of gear thats worth like one or a little bit more than one ex but no one is buying it and im really broke, what should i do with that gear?

novel crow
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sell it for less so it moves?

tired lotus
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Hello! What should I be using Vaal Orbs on? What is the best target?

lament patrol
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im struggling getting a perf jewel orb

pseudo barn
loud fable
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hey does the delirium double stack difficulty affect waystone maps as well?

dusky star
keen escarp
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Does playing with more ppl mean rarer drops?

deep estuary
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Can someone explain me please Im still confused with this. When all my spirits are on I still have 5 spirit left but all of them are red. When I turn off one of them (cast on shock for example) none of them is red but my spirit left is 65.

keen escarp
undone merlin
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What's best 2nd weapon for ice sorceress?

queen badger
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what does trialmaster drop?

signal coyote
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can some 1 explain me one with the storm note? (Monk) why when Im consume 3 charges my charged stuff dont gain 4 stacks??

floral pendant
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is 150% item rarity enough for solo?

restive pond
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150% is supposedly about optimal