2┃new-player-in-campaign-help

[meager galleon]

we only got the patchnotes like 2 days ago, and tools like path of building didnt update yet

it will take a bit for ppl to make updated guides

[slim onyx]

gotcha thanks

[meager galleon]

but maxroll.gg is always a good place to check

but check for 0.3.0 guides

that will be the friday patch

[unique orbit]

Whats a good skill that scales off well with attack speed?

[limpid apex]

dual strike of ambidexterity

[final geyser]

That doesn't exist in PoE2.

[limpid apex]

oh wrong channel

my bad

[azure lava]

I mean, any and all attack skills scale with attack speed, but some ones that scale poorly would be anything with a cooldown or a dependency on charges (grenades, for example)

Some good ones would be things like snipe or perfect strike since the more attack speed you have, the less time you need to stand still and charge it.

Also whatever skill you can use with that new fragmentation rounds might be nice, since a % of that damage will be added to hits

I think it's frag rounds, I forget which one it was.

[haughty crag]

why does my game freezes from time to time and sometimes the map renders very slowly. the floor is not showing and some see thru patches on the ground. i can't even see mobs because its still rendering.

is there any fix?

[quaint saffron]

does it show game paused?

[undone kernel]

Any good resources for builds rn all he ones I see seam to be from a few months ago when the market was in a different state

Especially starter builds

Kinda wanna rerun the story but use a faster ms builds thinking deadeye

[somber wedge]

Probably a repeated question but what is the time limit on that free merchant tab conversion? Like should I log in now and get that done or can I wait until the new league starts and I get back into the game?

[minor arch]

doesnt become available till new league you're fine

[somber wedge]

I appreciate the help. Just wanted to make sure I didn’t miss out on it

[final geyser]

There is no time limit. You will be able to convert them at any point, as long as the tab had been purchased prior to 0.3.

[valid vector]

For a Monk and Ranger what are the best skills to level with when doing Act 1 & 2?

[opaque iron]

Right now or for 0.3? Either way Lightning arrow + lightning rod

Martial tempo and lightning infusion on LA
Conc effect and Scattershot on LR

add voltaic mark when you get it at lvl 22, helps with bosses and rares. Conduction is also at lvl 22 but you may not have the int to use it, nor should you really need it

Well act 2 boss has lightning resistance so either bring the curse, or get some penetration on the tree

[valid vector]

Whether its now or for 0.3 but this will do thank you very much.

[last briar]

Is it normal to not be able to play the game with smooth 60 fps with the following specs (even with all graphic settings set to the lowest possible)?
GPU: NVIDIA GeForce RTX 3060
RAM: 16GB
CPU: 11th Gen Intel(R) Core(TM) i7-11800H @ 2.30GHz

Whenever there are area effects/spell my fps go down to 15

[sterile barn]

That happens unfortunately on the most powerful pcs, Mapping could be an issue. On the other hand, there is also DLSS, so that should fix some things.

[shy kindle]

its a 3060 so its not powerful

u either need to turn down a lot of the settings or use frame gen

@astral reef better to ask here not the build channel

[waxen osprey]

I haven't played for a while, have they changed the visibility of the heavy stun bar (for parrying as huntress) or is it still quite hard to see?

[clear vine]

Ive seen that on release warrior was really bad/underpowered and was getting destroyed by bosses, im sure it isnt but just to make sure is that still the case now/when 0.3 comes out?

[dusky burrow]

warrior was never that bad in the first place

and that definetly isnt the case now either

[clear vine]

okay so

has he gotten better

since release

[minor arch]

i'd say so

[dusky burrow]

smith is very strong, so yeah for sure

[true ridge]

is sorc good at all rn

[lunar blaze]

Not directly game related, but what kind of poe2 discord bots exist and what kind of good qol functions do they have

[marble raptor]

Thoughts on kitava for 0.3?

[obsidian forge]

sorc sucks imo, has no damage, as for elemental spells, incinerate is like really strong, frostbolt cof and solar orb flameblast are viable

I see even spark arc with cast on crit is viable

ember is viable, frostbomb frostwall kinda viable

[gaunt sequoia]

any leak for act 4 yet ?

[buoyant lodge]

Hi, testing Crossbows for the first time: is it normal that switching to an empty Ammunition skill costs mana twice? Once for switching and once for the actual reload. Didn't see anything about that in the 0.3 patch notes, so I assume it is intended, but still doesn't makes sense to me. Am I missing anything?

[final geyser]

I can't say I've personally observed behaviour like this, in my experience switching to an ammo type is free, reloading it costs a regular amount of Mana.

[buoyant lodge]

Should be easy to test then, with Permafrost Bolts and Fragmentation Rounds: fire one, switch to the other before it reloads. Now switch back to the fired one: mana is reduced when switching, and a second time when the round reloads (going from 0 to 1 on the skill icon). Interestingly, the reload sound is heard twice as well.

I'm using a Huntress btw, maybe this is related. I'll try another class to check.

[remote raptor]

The problem is from the game not your pc

[buoyant lodge]

OK, found a bug report on the forum about that exact Crossbow reload issue from early July. Bumped it with a little more info, we'll see if this gets fixed during 0.3 or later.

[quaint saffron]

is any1 playing icechrono?

[trim turret]

We have the entire 0.3 stream.

[noble lynx]

anyone be so kind as to murk jamanra for me? trying to pust thru till level 70 before i buy new armorand hes fuggin me up

Looked on TFT but nobody seems to be on at the mo

[sinful river]

where can i find build guides that also include "path of building" software

[meager galleon]

what do you mean by include pob ?

like they got a link to load the build up in pob ?

@sinful river ^

[topaz junco]

You’ll want to post in #2┃looking-for-group just fyi

[sinful river]

yes

im a returning player from poe1

[meager galleon]

most guides from respectable places/ppl have that, its pretty rare for there to not be a pob link

[sinful river]

hm strange, i checked out zizarian and others
its mostly mobalytics or maxroll

[meager galleon]

like maxroll didnt have pobs or ziz didnt ?

[sinful river]

maxroll and mobalytics yea

they dont have pob links in em

[meager galleon]

hmm, looks like you are right, they dont require that for poe2, weird

[sinful river]

yea, it was surprising to me
because how popular it used be for poe1

[meager galleon]

i guess the sites are trying to be a one stop shop for the whole guide without having to import it into pob

[digital cairn]

are there seasonal rewards yet?

[lament stone]

no

there definitely wont be for abyssal, its been confirmed

[digital cairn]

you know any other ARPG that has seasonal reward?

[lament stone]

but i dont think there will be any for early access at all

poe1 has challenges in each league where you can get cosmetics for doing certain things

[digital cairn]

yeah thats whats awesome about POE1

[noble lynx]

ok thanks

[ashen bane]

probably because pob2 wasn't updated fast enough so it got less popular

[valid sky]

Can skills that inherently consume ailments be supported by gems that consume the same ailment?

[pliant falcon]

HI i dont know why i got power charge instead of frenzy charge ?

[meager galleon]

do you use any uniques ?

[opaque iron]

Resonance keystone in your skill tree

[meager galleon]

some keystone would have been my 2nd guess :)

[opaque iron]

It's the only answer, I don't believe you can use any unique to alter charges in that way

[pliant falcon]

no i didn't learn it i play amazon

[opaque iron]

You're gaining power charges from your charm lol

Your combat frenzy is working perfectly fine, you just aren't freezing/electrocuting enemies then

[pliant falcon]

ahhhhhh

fkkkkkkkk

ty man

[opaque iron]

😅

Np np

Random but I notice your spear isn't socketed, you could gain a lot of power by using an artificer orb and putting your best Storm rune in 🙂

[pliant falcon]

tq

i still can't generate frenzy i think i electrocute them but no frenzy

or i have to change to heralt of ice

[final geyser]

Are you sure you're Electrocuting and not Shocking? By default, most skills don't apply Electrocution Buildup with Lightning damage, they just Shock. You either need a specific skill that applies Electrocute, or a support gem that makes the skill Electrocute instead of Shock, or a Unique that would cause Lightning damage to contribute to Electrocute buildup.

[meager galleon]

do they kinda like get stunned and shake from the electricity?

electrocute is basically a stun

[pliant falcon]

ah yeah maybe shock and reduce enemy lightning resis

tq bro

[next kettle]

do maces stay about as slow as in the first act? I wonder if i should rather play a monk with staff

[dusky burrow]

if you want, you can go to youtube and find videos of mace builds in endgame

otherwise, yeah, you can get attack speed on the tree, gloves, wep etc. etc. and get much faster than act 1

[storm oak]

when does the stash tab sale end?

or where do I go to see that information

[sacred sand]

Question: will the League Mechanic be in the Standard League as well? I think GGG said all Leagues will be in Standard as well while they're still in Early Access.

[final geyser]

No

[sacred sand]

thanks!

[lunar blaze]

Not directly game related, but what kind of poe2 discord bots exist and what kind of good qol functions do they have.

also, will there be league cosmetic rewards. its an "offical" league so id hope so, but i havent seen or heard anything about it

[trim turret]

No league cosmetics. There are three free cosmetics unlocked just by progressing act 1 during the free weekend.

[acoustic orchid]

Im trying to get into the game i have played before but that was a while ago can someone help me get back in

[lament plinth]

Hi! Any recommendations for what guild stash tabs our guild needs to have? We are five irl friends.

[heavy bane]

Hello! Can anyone point me to ranger material for a new league start. I played minion build at the start of dawn, but I want to try something else. Im not sure what stats I should be looking for on weapons

[night dove]

Will any of the dawn of hunt cosmetic items or the supporter packs be avaiable after the update launches?

[sterile thistle]

Do these new supporter packs go away after the new league ends?

[sudden summit]

im planning on starting poe 2 should i just wait until the new update? idk if they reset stuff

[spice valley]

can i convert my premium tabs to merchant tabs only now or i can do it after the release of the update aswell ❔ 🤔

[trim turret]

At the end of the league everything gets moved to standard, and the vast majority of people start fresh in the new league.

[trim turret]

After the update. It only matters if you bought your tabs before the update.

[sudden summit]

when does new league start

[trim turret]

Friday.

And they run for four months.

[trim turret]

Supporter packs will go away most likely.

[trim turret]

Everything will be rebalanced Friday and we don't have enough info for builds yet.

[sterile thistle]

do people usually level up with deadeye and the respec everything into their ascendency of choice?

[spice valley]

right ye i have tabs already , so im safe and can convert after the update as many i need right? good.

[dusky burrow]

there's only 1 other ranger ascendancy

so, maybe if you're a pf

[agile ocean]

anyone on ps5 game freezing in act 2?

[sturdy harness]

need help act 3 IGN PINKPANNTHER

[daring dragon]

#2┃looking-for-group

[steady rain]

anyone have suggested build guide for upcoming elague?

[meager galleon]

not yet, ppl are in the process of making/updating guides

[karmic bronze]

Do builds like LA care more about weapon DPS or weapon elemental DPS? If I'm upgrading bows in campaign, do I want to sort bows by pdps, edps, or both?

[meager galleon]

that depends on how you are building it

but in campaign you generally care just about the raw dps of any kind, cos your elemental specific bonuses aren't quite there yet

[obsidian forge]

in the campaign doesn't matter, in the endgame you just want to stick to one elemental damage unless you have beacon or you want to max out just the tooltip hideout dps

[meager galleon]

if you want to stick to one element depends on the build

[obsidian forge]

yeah

[chilly cosmos]

Is it worth starting a standard league character right now and continue playing it after the new update? I have never actually tried playing PoE without following builds and leveling guides, so I kinda want to experience the game once without knowing what to do and without minmaxing every single quest

[final geyser]

I would recommend waiting for the next update, 0.3, which will come out on August 29th PDT. It will not only introduce a fresh league with exclusive content, but also bring a significant amount of balance changes and reworks of some skills, so a character made prior to the update might suddenly work very differently once it releases.

[hard monolith]

So might sound stupid but the crazed wolf boss what level should I be to actually tackle his second phase

[final geyser]

There's no strict level requirement on Geonor (assuming you're referring to him), it's mostly just a matter of either learning to dodge his skills, or getting enough Life and Cold Resistance to be able to tank the ones that hit you.

[viral saffron]

Having your cold res above 50% helps alot with surviving that fight

[hard monolith]

Ah okay honestly don't know why I didn't think of that thank you

[viral saffron]

His ice attacks won't hurt as much but still try to dodge them

[hard monolith]

I think that the only thing that gets me is the second phase where he makes that ring of mist and charges while the enemy's spawn in

[final geyser]

With that one, you can listen to his poem and dodge as he finishes each line, or just pay attention to the timing in general, it's generally quite consistent.

[lofty bough]

also if you keep running at the edge of the circle he won't hit you

[chilly cosmos]

That's what I was thinking. I will wait then, thank you

[jade wadi]

as an expert which class would dominate others

[final geyser]

In campaign (which is the subject of this channel) you can do fine with most skills, plus we don't have all the passives and supports yet, so who knows how things will look in endgame.

[high dawn]

why this doesnt affect glacial cascade range?

am i missing somthing/

[lament stone]

glacial cascade is not a melee strike skill

you can click underlined words to read what they mean

[high dawn]

But the skill has the melee attack tag

[lament stone]

not all melee attacks are strikes

[high dawn]

Is it bcs it's not directly hitting the monster with the weapon?

[lament stone]

yes

[high dawn]

Hmm ok thanks a lot

[lament stone]

melee strike skills have the strike tag

[high dawn]

can someone explain me the conversion here?
if i have ex. 10phys on weapon what does 60% convert to light do? keep the 4phys and add 6to light? how does scaling work after 60% conversion with lighting mods?

[flat flint]

I can't move when I change the map. How can I fix this?

[trim turret]

Builds matter more than classes and we don't know what builds are going to bubble up in 0.3 yet.

[jade wadi]

I see

based on the patch notes, what most likely you will try ?

[trim turret]

I'm going to do an unarmed Hollow Palm monk but I have no idea how strong it will be and will be playing it by ear. We haven't seen the updated passive skill tree, we don't have all the skill gem changes, there's just no way to know. Grab something you think will be fun and give it a try.

[jade wadi]

fun for me is where i can oblitrate everything on my path, no stress just w gaming, im trying to find the best build, i didnt play 0.2 i dont know what build excel others

[trim turret]

Well there is no "best." If you're looking for one build that is the best and requires no difficulty or effort you're playing the wrong game.

[jade wadi]

The thing is, meta exists. Some builds naturally have an easier path to success compared to others. That doesn’t mean there’s one absolute ‘best,’ but it does mean certain builds give you smoother progression with less effort

are we going to know the passive skill tree when it launch ?

or there will be site that we can look up pre launch

[trim turret]

There's path of building but it all depends how quickly GGG releases the passive data.

And they update POB.

[jade wadi]

thats a news to me

dang

[trim turret]

Just keep an eye out for 0.3 Maxroll league starters.

[trim turret]

Which part?

[jade wadi]

the pob

it wasnt there when poe 2 launch right ?

[obsidian forge]

if you are judging the build on everything except novelty then lightning arrow deadeye is most likely "the best build"

but you can obliterate all content with many builds

[jade wadi]

understandable

[rose galleon]

Hey stupid question - Chaos DoTs (ex ED/Contagion builds) - if you have 2 people playing the same build, does the DoT stack? Or only the most recent application counts?

I know poison has it's own mechanic to limit stacks, but specifically ED/Contagion in this case

I mean google says it stacks, but ... I don't trust all the data out there, so thought I'd double check

[sterile thistle]

Is the liberator of wreaclast hideout bigger than the other hideouts?

[haughty fulcrum]

how do you convert the premium stash tabs into the new tabs?

[final geyser]

You wait for 0.3, then go to the account page on the PoE2 website.

[final geyser]

In terms of actual buildable space, probably not. Most of it is water, and the terrain you can build on is limited to a few islands, similar to the new hideout from one of the 0.3 Supporter Packs.

[haughty fulcrum]

oh, I heard that you had to do it before the 0.3 so I was rushing to get it done asap.
I guess they were wrong, thanks

[final geyser]

That seems to be a common misunderstanding. You will be able to upgrade any regular Premium Stash Tabs bought prior to 0.3 at any point after 0.3 is released, or purchase Merchant's Tabs outright.

[trim turret]

Its not about when you do the conversion, its about when you purchased the premium tabs.

[sterile thistle]

Is ssf better?

[dusky burrow]

it's a choice, one of many

there's no objective benefit to it, it's a self-imposed challenge

[hasty stirrup]

Im curious if someone can answer this question please. My research of several days isnt helping 🙁

1. Which is the best ascendency for a Crossbow build? Mercenary or Ranger?
2. Is Cross bow leveling any good or am I going to have some trouble compared to a bow leveling spec?

Thanks!

[obsidian forge]

yeah, it's not better or worse, it's just different, it's much much harder than the trade league, so I obviously don't recommend it to beginners

but if you are an experienced player and want to have fun by challenging yourself go ahead

[obsidian forge]

depends on the build, deadeye is good with skills that shoot one projectile, amazon has been nerfed, but she is still viable, gemling and witchhunter seem viable too

and crossbows are totally fine in the campaign with the right build

[hasty stirrup]

awesome ty 😄

[drifting halo]

What does this list tell you? the % of people playing each ascendancy with a crossbow?

[obsidian forge]

yes

[lost needle]

i just got these badboys in my playthrough. im only an hour in but this feels good and rare

are they or is it just a meh item

[sterile thistle]

Will I be able to turn quad stash tabs into merchant stash tabs and still be a quad tab?

[ashen bane]

they arent super rare, but free damage early, most likely you want to switch them out later when you start to focus on certain element so conversion doesnt mess up your scaling

[lost needle]

oki, ty :) @ashen bane

[ashen bane]

finding them that early is quite uncommon tho

[lost needle]

ye i found them in the underground part where i had to fight that big worm xd

a little bug dropped it for me it wasnt even from a boss

[azure lava]

It's almost impossible to say one ascendancy is better than another without a laundry list of qualifiers.
Also, mercenary and ranger aren't ascendancies, those are base classes and they can each ascend into different options.

[tropic elk]

How can I know ingame if a mod has tier 8 for example, if that’s the best or if that particular mod tier goes up to tier 12 for example?

[shy kindle]

its changed now. tier 1 is the best

[tropic elk]

Oh that’s good

[weak harness]

hey, can I change regions from eu to na and vice verse and keep my chars and everything?

[final geyser]

Yes, the gateways are just what server you connect to, all your characters and stashes are stored globally.

[weak harness]

ty

[restive wagon]

If I have a character from poe1 can I buy stash tab n it goes to poe 2 I’m downloading poe2 n it will be done after sale (I haven’t made any character yet on Poe 2)

[wise river]

Hyper

[azure lava]

Yes, all mtx are interchangeable between the two games, if able

And by interchangeable I mean that they work in both. Buying a stash tab in the store will get you that tab in poe1 and poe2

[restive wagon]

Ok thank you very much 🙂

[restive wagon]

Ok thank you 🙂

Do I lose anything if I die?

[modern cove]

What level do you usually get your third and fourth ascendancy points

[obsidian forge]

its all about the build, with a strong build third trial requires maybe 5 chaos orbs and 4th trial maybe a divine

[fading bone]

What is difference between merchant stash tab and premium stash tab

[obsidian forge]

you can only use the merchant tab for trading, its always public

[fading bone]

And before premium stash tab did that now.its like a normal tab?

[obsidian forge]

yes

premium tabs are now for storing items

not trading

[fading bone]

Why did they not kept the old premium tabs basically just a name change

[obsidian forge]

because its a different tab

notbjust a name change

[fading bone]

Will sidekick still work?

[meager galleon]

yes

they arent removing any existing functionality (that price check tools are using) listed items will still appear on the trade website and in the APIs that price check tools use, so no reason they would stop working

[obsidian forge]

and now you have to check the market prices before listing an item because if your price is too low it will immediately get sold 😕

kinda nerf for new players

[meager galleon]

it was a really terrible culture that appeared in poe2 where they just put an item into 1c b/o tab and then repriced it if they got spammed

this was never a thing in poe1

its just a result of a lot of new players that werent poe1 players

[obsidian forge]

I always did that...it saved me so much time

[meager galleon]

to me it shows no respect for the time of other ppl

[obsidian forge]

but...if you are trying to buy a 10 divine unique for 1c you could say you are trying to scam me xD

and you know 1c is not a real price

[meager galleon]

if you are listing it for 1c, i assume you are willing to sell it for 1c, i'm not a mind reader

[obsidian forge]

if the real price is 10d, then 1c is obviously a mistake and will be fixed

[meager galleon]

if you know the real price is 10d, why are you listing it for 1c ?

[obsidian forge]

unless its a price fixer who I hate

I don't know, I would have to check every unique price

[meager galleon]

it takes like a second to check a unique price with sidekick or woke poe trade

[obsidian forge]

rare items, I list them for a proper price usually

well now I will have to use one of those sadly

[meager galleon]

they are also great for efficiently price checking rares

since they prefill all the stats and you dont have to enter all that shit manually in the trade search

[obsidian forge]

for rare items?

[meager galleon]

yes

[obsidian forge]

yeah I don't believe that sidekick and such can reliably price rare items

they search items with the same mods, not the same overall value

[meager galleon]

its not that it can automatically do the check for you

but it prefills the search and you checkbox the stats that you think are relevant

[modern cove]

You can still list your items the old way right

[obsidian forge]

meh I won't use that probably

idk, need to give it a try

[meager galleon]

example from exiled exchange 2

(poe2 version of awakened poe trade)

[fathom herald]

I have never been using any price checkers and just check my self just fine for the past 6 years

not like I do any crafting anyway so dont matter

and I also hide all rares beside crafting bases

[obsidian forge]

I see very few trades, a small data pool, also I wouldnt know how to price it based on these prices. what if that 40 divines chest had 60 spirit and triple high roll res?

[meager galleon]

thats the stuff thats listed on trade that matches the filter, you would get the same result on the website search with those parameters

there is a button that also takes you to the trade site and prefils all the item stats into the filters if you want to play around with it more

[obsidian forge]

thanks, I will test it
still I don't see the overall value of the item listed anywhere though

[obsidian forge]

yeah it worked this way for me as well until the new trading system

[meager galleon]

there is no overall value for rares, thats something thats insanely hard to calculate, cos its hard to attribute price to individual mods

[obsidian forge]

sure there is

[meager galleon]

well, i'd like to hear your methodology then

[obsidian forge]

your chest has a value around 400

just multiply the mod rolls by the mod weights and add them together

[meager galleon]

you are talking about weighted search

[obsidian forge]

I personally see ele res as 3 value per 1% of resistance, 1 life is 1 value

yes

and evasion I just put aside

[meager galleon]

yes, that is currently a bit of a downside since poe2 trade doesnt have pseudo mods yet so the price checkers arent able to search for like "total ele res" and do individual mods

you are right there that that requires manual intervention for a better search

[obsidian forge]

oh man I saw these poe1 searches and I am so jelaous

my poe2 searches are limited because the website doesnt let me add more mods

[meager galleon]

at lower values that is valid, but once the eva/armor/es rolls get high for endgame gear, its a valid stat to look for

[obsidian forge]

no, I meant I change the price based on evasion in the end

idk how to value evasion together with other mods

[meager galleon]

the way i price stuff is that i see what other similiar-ish items are listed for, and then just list it somewhere there

because if you price them higher than similiar items, it wont get sold, and if you price them lower, you are losing out, or you do that to sell faster

[surreal bobcat]

does it makes sense to play as a duo while still in the campaign? or is it faster if everyone goes solo?

[meager galleon]

group play can be more efficient if both ppl know what they are doing
playing with a friend is always more fun ¯_(ツ)_/¯

[quaint saffron]

Does apex of the moment stack with temporal chains?

[restive wagon]

I’m going to be 3 days in when league drop should I use same class or a new class for league?

[celest verge]

hi im lvl 58 atm, can I do my 3rd trial of ascendancy now?

[meager galleon]

you have to make a new char if you want to play in the new league

[meager galleon]

if you have a 3 floor coin you should be able to attempt it, but its a lvl 60-74 zone, so you will be kinda under leveled

[restive wagon]

Yeah I know can it be same class? To use items I already have

[meager galleon]

you wont have access to any of the gear you have

new league = fresh start from zero

you can make the same class/build, but you cant access your old items

its a full economy reset, everybody starts with nothing

[restive wagon]

Ok gotcha tyvm 🙂

Do you need to buy character slot every new league or u get 1 free?

[meager galleon]

you get 24 slots for free

you can buy more up to 255

[restive wagon]

Ok awesome so when full I just delete one after every league I’m guessing?

[restive wagon]

Ahh ok Ty do u know price?

[meager galleon]

how you manage your chars is up to you

when a league ends all your chars and stash gets moved to the "standard" league

if you keep them there or delete them is up to you

[restive wagon]

Ahh ok Ty but I can keep items as long as in stash right?

[meager galleon]

yeah, you can take items off the char and put them into stash

and delete the char

and the char slots are like 30 points or so

[restive wagon]

Ok Ty than 24 is way more than enough Ty

[restive wagon]

Ok tyvm 🙂

[cosmic thicket]

Hello guys, im so newbie in this game. i start watching youtube video campain and see they have a code to help hilight items they need. I think that regex so can any body help me out with this, many thank and sorry for my English

[meager galleon]

you mean on the ground or at vendors ?

[cosmic thicket]

vendors

[meager galleon]

try looking at https://poe2.re
i have not used it myself so dunno how good it is

[cosmic thicket]

ty so much

[green whale]

Hi some ppl wanna help me make campaign? I'm ACT 2

[daring dragon]

#2┃looking-for-group

[toxic echo]

Hi guys. Long question.
I’m in the middle of my first campaign. When I get new gear that’s just “rare” or “normal” should I still switch it with a older gear I’m wearing that is unique (that has way worse stats cause it’s old)? I’m getting smoked and I’m think it’s cause my armor not good enough, I just don’t wanna switch because what I have equipped seems loaded with benefits and the new less rare stuff just has better armor.

[lament stone]

life and elemental resists are your most important defenses

armour/evasion/es are lower priority than having good life and resists on your gear

[daring dragon]

That can't be answered in a vacuum since entirely depends on the exact items in question. That said, if those uniques don't do anything useful for your build but just give a bunch of random stats they very well can be worse than some other random item.

[toxic echo]

Okay yeah I mostly have the unique items for the stats. I’m fighting a boss named ekbab and iktab and I am getting torched. I am doing good damage so the only thing I can think is that I’m taking too much damage.

[daring dragon]

In that case try to apply the advice given above from Calurme about life and resistances.

I also recommend the top two posts in #1308715317375270952 they contain very useful infos on how to progress your character during the campaign.

[toxic echo]

I shall. Thank you! Very new to this and some things you just can’t google lol

[tropic elk]

when are first guides usually out?

[meager galleon]

well, we dont have the updated tree yet

or the gem info

so pob isnt updated yet

so until that happens, guides will be kinda guesswork

[somber wedge]

Definitely takes a while to get the hang of as a newer player. I’m still just getting there as well so I understand. Knowing to prioritize life and elemental resistances is a very solid baseline to work with and then you can worry about nuances from there

[upper jungle]

hi guys is there anywhere a overview about the short names to search for items on the npc? like how i can combine spell dmg movement speed and skill level in the copy paste search?

[topaz junco]

Not understanding what you’re asking for tbh

Do you mean regex?

[azure lava]

https://poe2.re/

[upper jungle]

awesome thank you sooo much ❤️ 🙂

[storm oak]

https://poedb.tw/us/Currency_Stash_Tab#CurrencyStashTabShop
Is the website wrong or is this a region issue?

[cinder current]

wrong about what

[storm oak]

Just bought the first blood starter pack but the sale I thought was there isn't there

Trying to get a currency + map stash tab

Can't do that anymore because the sale is gone

I should have another day according to the website, timezone accounted for

[cinder current]

Afaik all the stash tab sales ended yesterday

[storm oak]

[cinder current]

when i logged in yesterday to grab some the in game timer was under 24hrs 😛

[plain vale]

Can we switch between controller & keyboard on the fly? I’d prefer to play with controller but using stash and inventory UI is pain without keyboard & mouse

[meager galleon]

not yet

[fallow bloom]

How much is area exp penalty?

What is +/- levels from area is 100% exp?

[meager galleon]

depends how far is your lvl from the area level

if you are within 5 levels of the area, you are fine

[fallow bloom]

So -4 is fine?

But not exceed that, right?

Coz exile ui shows -4 in red color

[meager galleon]

https://www.poewiki.net/images/d/d8/POEExperiencePenalty.png

[fallow bloom]

So I thought -3 is safe and -4 is less exp

[meager galleon]

thats from poe1, but should be about the same

[fallow bloom]

In PoE 1 I know

But couldn't find about that in PoE 2

[meager galleon]

afaik they didnt do any major changes to how xp penalty works, so i think its safe to assume poe1 chart is close enough

[tropic elk]

Can runes be removed now?

[azure lava]

The safe zone is plus or minus [(your level divided by 16) floored] +3

(at least in poe1)

So every 16 levels you get one extra level of cushion

[azure lava]

They can be overwritten but not removed

[tropic elk]

So I can’t take off a rune and use on another piece of gear? Only destroy it?

[azure lava]

Correct

[lost needle]

is it normal to like only get staffs? im like 2 hours into the game and every boss drops staffs

[silent arch]

what are considered the best and worst weapons for leveling the first 3 acts or so

[half fractal]

yo if i want to plat main story but want to play the new thing out rn and the thing coming out on friday what char should i make

[topaz junco]

What

[half fractal]

so i can make a char for the main story or the thing thats out rn which should i make if i want to play the new stuff on friday

[topaz junco]

You can make a new character on Friday. You can’t make a new character for edict until then

[half fractal]

so if i dont make a character on friday i cant play it

[topaz junco]

Well friday is the launch. But you can make a character for edict any time after its launch

[half fractal]

so if i want to play it i make a new character?

on friday

[topaz junco]

On Friday at the earliest yes and only when it’s actually live(we’re going to ping when it does start)

[half fractal]

ok so if im a returning player what should i play rn

[topaz junco]

Just wait for Friday would be my sincere answer but if it’s still active “dawn of the hunt” is what you should select

[half fractal]

ok so if i make a char on friday can i only play the new thing

[topaz junco]

No. You can either play in standard which is what I don’t recommend. Or third edict which is what I do recommend

[half fractal]

so what is third edict im not sure if its a dlc or what

[final geyser]

It is the 0.3 update to the game. It brings a number of core changes to the game, including Act 4, Interlude acts to replace Cruel, and a bunch of new skills and passives. It will come with the league Rise of the Abyssal, with the exclusive Abyss mechanic.

[topaz junco]

It’s a league, which I guess in some capacity is like a free dlc. It’s a fresh start for all players in terms of economy/stash and characters with new mechanics and updates

[half fractal]

so i can play all the acts before it yeah?

[topaz junco]

Every character needs to complete the acts but you can’t preemptively do the acts on 1 character then transfer into edict on Friday

[half fractal]

ok so ill just make a new char on friday and play, thanks for the help!

[daring dragon]

Just rng

[formal bay]

if i want play crossbow should i go deadeye or tactician?

[unborn lava]

That's sort of like asking if you want to drive a car should you go with a pickup or a coupe? It entirely depends on what you're trying to do, what your build requires, and how it can benefit from their respective ascendency bonuses and starting locations on the passive tree.

[trim turret]

That is way too generic of a question and depends on your build.

[tropic elk]

Is neversink the golden standard also on poe2?

[cinder current]

yeah

[opaque iron]

bows and maces usually win out and I like crossbows too, all three are getting changed tho so prepare for chaos

[round drum]

is new update otu yet?

[trim turret]

https://pathofexile2.com/home

[uneven trout]

is there a wiki page that can guide us through all of the preset drop locations?

i am just planning for where i might want to get a guranteed support gem etc etc

[shut rampart]

I followed neversink semistrict filter on the official website for the auto updates and when I go in game the filter is not in the dropdown. Do I still need to install it manually?

Or does it not work with the steam version of the game?

[unborn lava]

@dusky burrow may need you on this one 😏

Ty 🙏

[quiet forge]

in anticipation of the free weekend deal how do builds in poe2 differ from 1

i feel like it has similar fundamentals but... how does it change up

[unborn lava]

Significantly. If you've not played before, I'd honestly recommend just diving in and exploring. Any PoE 1 experience will be useful, but you'll find the pace, combat impact, and interactions to feel quite different.

It's also quite a bit easier to come up with a workable build for yourself.

Partly due to having less content, and partly due to a more accessibly designed foundation. Things like the keyword tooltip system make finding info much easier than the first game.

[quiet forge]

yeah i haven't touched or followed poe2 but i do remember seeing the way gems work and being very happy. saddening that there's less overall zoom, but i might as well give it a proper go

[unborn lava]

If it makes you feel better, endgame can absolutely get zoomy.

On any classes except maybe Warrior right now.

First 10-15 levels will likely feel very slow and frictionful, but IMO that makes the ramp up in power as you level very satisfying.

[quiet forge]

are there any good like... build demonstration mapping/bossing videos out that i can reference

those usually portray the actual game

[steel cipher]

[Question] Can 2 different skills be assigned to 1 button (what skill is used depend on Weapon Swap)?

[unborn lava]

Sure, but just be aware 0.3 is bringing absolutely massive overhauls to support gems and a lot of skills. So anything you see from 0.2 won't translate 1:1. Most of us would agree the changes are hugely positive.

[quiet forge]

that's good isn't it

[unborn lava]

Nope, one button per skill. You can assign the skill to one weapon (or both), and it will trigger off the selected weapon when you push the button.

[unborn lava]

Yes, personally I'm a bit jealous if you're just jumping in now haha. You'll never know the growing pains we went through the past 8 months 😄

[quiet forge]

well i guess i might as well see about installing (if i can) and givin' it a go. poe2 have its own pob? or is it the same program

[tall hornet]

for next league or this league, the seed changes

[unborn lava]

It does! https://pathofbuilding.community/

Just download the one for PoE 2.

[quiet forge]

also do my cosmetics and stash tabs carry over

[unborn lava]

Yes, the ones that exist in both games. Not all POE 1 MTX has been converted yet.

[trim turret]

Yes, wherever possible. Cosmetics are still being ported over in batches.

[unborn lava]

The one PoE 2 exclusive stab tab you'll likely want is the Socketable tab, which doesn't exist in the first game.

[quiet forge]

ok thats fine i don't need my cosmetic cosmetics, i mainly want my stash tabs

from what i understand about the game there's not much "1 button" stuff or things to that degree, like in 1 right?

kinda combo heavy?

i assume there's still the main ability that you use but

[unborn lava]

A big change in 0.3 is that now you can use support gems on multiple skills, whereas until now you could only use each support once. So the ability to build multiple "main" damage skills is kind of just getting unlocked on Friday. We really don't know how the meta will play out. It's a good time to jump in an experiment.

[quiet forge]

that sounds quite nice and seems like it would work well with how the game flows

im just trying to think of who i would want to roll up as and i still dream of flicking...

[clear vine]

Question, do people actually ever buy 200 + div items or even ones like 500 +?

[quiet forge]

yea i think on it and surely there's gotta be some way of doing charge gen and spending

[neon plume]

yes

[royal sonnet]

i am getting sudden lag spike any fix?

my ping goes from 30 to 999 for second

helppp

[trim turret]

Play on a wired connection, try a different gateway. Not much else we can do, we don't run the servers.

[agile ocean]

if i wanted to buy some stashes what are the most important ones?

[opaque iron]

Unfortunate timing since the stash tab sale just ended and usually cycles every 3 weeks, but I can still help

Step 1 is usually converting your four existing tabs into premium tabs. You can sell items from these tabs or convert them to merchant tabs once 0.3 comes out.

You cannot convert premium QUAD tabs to merchant tabs

The currency tab is the best special tab hands down, I think people would argue the least about it.

For me, gem tab comes next

If you play a single build and then quit, gem tab is not needed nearly as much. Same for flasks and uniques. Deli tab and ritual tab are fluff, you can usually combine their items into a small tab anyway

I like the waystone tab but some just throw them all into a quad tab, lotta personal choice with this so I'd recommend letting 0.3 hit and only buy if you need. A single premium tab goes a long way on league start

[meager galleon]

tbh, gem tab is kinda shit for poe2 in how its structured

currency, fragment and map tabs are the core
and a merchant tab once new league starts

or premium now so you can convert it to merchant once new league starts

[obsidian forge]

map tab? nah fuck the map tab

[meager galleon]

waystone tab

same thing

[obsidian forge]

I mean it's not helpful, the tab, all maps crammed into the same space, no separation

[obsidian forge]

a currency tab, a gem tab and one quad tab seem the most important to me.
map, socketable and league mechanic tabs are not needed at all

and you need at least one merchant tab ofc

after that I would buy some premium tabs, have a few merchant tabs and possibly a second quad tab. one quad tab can store socketables and league mechanics

[opaque iron]

What's a fragment tab

[meager galleon]

oh, we dont have a fragment tab in poe2 my bad

its for hodling stuff like fragments/splinters/boss keys from endgame mechanics

shows i didnt play in a bit, totally forgot they didnt put the fragment tab in poe2 yet

[obsidian forge]

btw I linked our little beginner guide to so many people by now, I got great feedback so far

[meager galleon]

awesome :)

its basically your beginner guide

[obsidian forge]

well you helped me write it too

[boreal quartz]

Hey there as someone new to poe2 and etc, what're typically the best builds/ways to scale a build? I find myself kind of latching onto a build guide but not really understanding how to scale it both in terms of gear/priorities, but also content to do so I can farm currency to advance my build

[meager galleon]

lets take that one by one

first gear priority is usually defenses, primary life/res, and after that whatever other defense layers you decided to use like evasion, armor, etc...

as for damage it depends on what skill you use and what you want to do with it

for example some fire skill you can do in multiple ways

• just straight up consistent dmg
• crit for a lot of dmg, but usually harder to gear
• you can focus on the ignite dmg instead of the hit dmg and that changes how you build it

[boreal quartz]

Right so last time I played I think I played a spark build? And my priority was getting res capped and flat life iirc. I have no idea if it's good now or will be good in the upcoming league but

How do you know what's a good amount of evasion/armor?

[meager galleon]

life and res cap is always prio

with evasion you want to hit the evasion cap'

with armor you want as much as possible

[daring dragon]

By looking at people playing the same or similar builds than you and comparing yours to theirs.

[meager galleon]

and they will be adding deflect as addition to evasion and armor applying to ele dmg mods for armor, so thats something to improve each of those defenses

[boreal quartz]

OK gotcha and the new league for poe2 is pretty soon right?

[final geyser]

August 29th (PDT), yes

[meager galleon]

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[boreal quartz]

Alr I just find it difficult to keep up with others on this game since there's just so much going on but

[meager galleon]

you dont have to

its not a pvp and its not a race

you play and have fun at your own pace

[boreal quartz]

Alr and after you beat campaign, what do you typically do? I know different endgame activities favor different builds and etc but I often run into the problem of generating currency to further my own build

[meager galleon]

you pick a mechanic you enjoy and works for you, and just focus on it, so you can boost it for more profits on the atlas tree

also most money isnt from raw drops

its from selling rares and other stuff

[boreal quartz]

Wdym from rares and etc?

[meager galleon]

You find an item, you have no use for but it has decent stats, so you sell it for a couple of chaos

[boreal quartz]

Ah gotcha

[meager galleon]

Also you might have more wealth than you think

[boreal quartz]

I'm guessing the situation where you find urself selling more for divine and stuff is rarer then?

[meager galleon]

It's just split across bits off all kinds of currencies, essences and other stuff like that

Divines+ for sure doesn't happen very often

[boreal quartz]

Ah yeah I find myself stuck when I start needing gear that costs divine or more

[meager galleon]

I think most of my sales during a league are in the 1-20c range

For gear that is

And then I use currency exchange to convert all the stuff I'm not using into chaos

Or divines

[boreal quartz]

Gotcha

[agile ocean]

is there a trade chat?

[meager galleon]

not in this discord

[onyx tide]

How long does it usually take for new league starter build to be released ?

I reached poe1 atlas a few years ago but I'm really rusty. Can I prepare some stuff in advance as a new player for the league ?

[daring dragon]

You can't prepare no

[meager galleon]

the problem this league is, that we wont have the updated skill tree until league start, soooo league starters might be guesswork or delayed

[daring dragon]

I'd say it will take about a week after launch for meta builds to start being available.

[meager galleon]

usually we have them before league start, cos the tree is published around now

but ggg posted that this time they can't do that until website is updated and that happens during the league patch

[obsidian forge]

takes fubgun maybe...3 days to make the first build guide?

we will see a lot of builds guides in the first week I am sure

[obsidian forge]

the optimal way is setting up your atlas to have fewer mosnters and more shrines, have a mobile fast clearing build, then collect nexuses, citadels and overlapping towers

do the nexuses immediately, the other two just save for later

and unique maps as well, sell castaway and paradise now or later

once your atlas tree is maxed out I would maybe switch to a boss killing setup, do the citadels and some pinnacle bosses

then you just do whatever league mechanic you enjoy the most with the overlapping towers you have found

[onyx tide]

Thank you everyone

[viral saffron]

Give it a few hrs after launch people will have builds cooked up

[uneven trout]

Anyone knows?

Just trying to find fixed drop locations

Googling has not helped with this 😕

[azure lava]

Idk about a wiki page, but the gallows in act 1 drop a support gem every time. There are loads more I'm sure

The forester's bag in clearfell drops a skill gem

King in the mists drops a spirit gem

I think bog witch also drops a spirit gem, but I'm not certain

You're gonna kill her anyway I reckon

[daring dragon]

Took me one minute https://mobalytics.gg/poe-2/guides/campaign-loot-normal

Googled for "poe2 list of all quest rewards" and checked the first two links.

[uneven trout]

Thanks i was searching "fixed drop locations" and other similar wordings and it was mostly bringing up loot fixes

[daring dragon]

Makes sense yeah

[fading bone]

Can we still get twitch skins?

[dire juniper]

is the 100$ pack worth it ?

[daring dragon]

It's only cosmetics so nobody could possibly answer this question for you.

[daring dragon]

No

Well, if you mean the most recent twitch drops.

Some of the older ones seemingly already were buy able in the shop.

[fading bone]

Okey so no new free skins at the moment

[daring dragon]

So technically it might be possible to still get them, but I assume that wasn't the intent of your question

[daring dragon]

Correct

[trim turret]

There will be once the new league starts on Friday. Three cosmetics.

[fading bone]

Thank gou

[trim turret]

I should mention you can only get them over the weekend but all three can be obtained in act 1.

[fading bone]

Good to know!thanks

And i have one more question there will be 4 acts and no cruel mode so by the time you finish act 4 i will have the level require to do endgame content(maps)?

[lament stone]

no

there are 3 interlude acts to make up the gap between act 4 and the endgame

[quaint saffron]

is this amulet good for ice sorcerer 1 exl price or i should find one with increased spell lv

[meager galleon]

are you building for spell crit?

because if you arent building that, then the amulet is not very useful

[quaint saffron]

my crit is 30% ... kinda new to game so not much of an idea...using frost wall with frost bomb and curses

[meager galleon]

well that means ~30% of the time, you will deal some extra dmg to mostly bosses, stuff like frost bomb/frost wall doesnt hit very often so you wont make use of that a lot of the times at 30% chance

you really want to kinda "remove" the condition of conditional buffs like that

[hot ledge]

im gonna start poe2 again should i just wait the 2 days for the update

[meager galleon]

so in this case, you'd want 100% cirt chance

[hot ledge]

gonna start new character

[meager galleon]

you'll have to make a new char on friday if you wann aplay the new league

[hot ledge]

2 days it is

[quaint saffron]

ohh okk i should find one with increased spell lv then ig

ty

[livid beacon]

you seem experienced, whats your league starter

[meager galleon]

i'm gonna do some cold ranger stuff

[livid beacon]

do you think itll be tankierr compared to season 1 ranger?

[meager galleon]

if i invest into deflect then probably

[livid beacon]

i hope deflect is better than es for ranger

hate that

does dex give life now?

[fading bone]

Those 3 interlude acts are new maps right?

[lament stone]

yes

[fading bone]

Wow nice

[lament stone]

with a notable yes, but its worse than strengths life bonus

[livid beacon]

how much life

[lament stone]

it basically just lets you get life from the dex that you need to meet attribute requirements, then any extra attribute nodes you have youd set to strength

1 life per 4 dex vs 2 life per 1 str

[fading bone]

Hopefully more builds variety🙏

[lament stone]

so realistically its like 50 life

[hot ledge]

help help

can expansion player slot thingies only play with other expansion player slot thingies

[livid beacon]

what

[final geyser]

Are you referring to leagues? You're only able to play with others in the same league, so if your character in Softcore Standard, you will only be able to play with others in Softcore Standard, and that character will not be able to interact with anyone in Hardcore Standard, or the temporary league that's coming on August 29th, Rise of the Abyssal.

[hot ledge]

yeahhh that

[livid beacon]

better than nothing i guess, idk im hoping deadeye can hit 4-4.5k life with max deflect

[hot ledge]

sorry i just started i got no idea what they are called

sooo like wdym by temporary

does all my stuff get nuked after a while or something

[final geyser]

It all gets moved to Standard when the league ends

[hot ledge]

so its beneficial to just play on the league

[final geyser]

The upcoming league, Rise of the Abyssal, will start once 0.3 releases, and last until a few days prior to the 0.4 update, which will bring a new league. Once that happens, you can either keep playing your existing character in Standard, or you can make a new character in the next league to have a fresh start and economy, and interact with the new mechanic.

[livid beacon]

99% of people play leagues. its a fresh economy, new meta, everyone starts from the same point.

[final geyser]

And it is generally recommended to play in the temporary league, as aside from the fresh economy, it also comes with an exclusive mechanic that won't be present in Standard, at least until the next league is added.

[hot ledge]

ohh

ok

ty

[livid beacon]

leagues are fun

[hot ledge]

new question

is there like

exclusive stuff from leagues

that no longer obtainable

[livid beacon]

you mean cosmetics or in game items?

[hot ledge]

actual items

[livid beacon]

there will be items exclusive to the league from the league mechanic but they will be avaliable in the future too

[hot ledge]

ok ok ty :)

[meager galleon]

you can look at poe1 for how that works, there is a set of challenges each league and you get cosmetics from completing them

in poe2, they probably wont add the challenges until 1.0 release

[azure lava]

In poe1, league mechanics do not always go "core". If that happens for abyss league (which I'm pretty sure is NOT the case) then items tied to it will likely be deleted or changed after the league ends. Although it depends on the specific nature of the item.

[meager galleon]

sometimes they just stay as legacy items rotting in standard stashes

[viral saffron]

Suppose to got to standard all my dawn stuff is gone after the league ended yesterday

[final geyser]

Do you perhaps have the setting enabled to hide Remove-only Tabs?

All items from your Dawn of the Hunt stash will go into the Standard stash as Remove-only Tabs. I'm not sure if they're hidden by default, or if you may have hidden them, but all your stuff should be available in those.

[viral saffron]

No I don't all my tabs are empty

[unborn lava]

Abyss will 100% go core. The intention is always to have league mechanics go core in some form, and doubly so during EA where everything is new content filling out the base game. It's just that occasionally they've had a mechanic in in PoE 1 which didn't live up to the desires or standards GGG have and they decided to drop them instead. I wouldn't expect that in PoE 2 for awhile.

[final geyser]

Check the stash options in the top right of the stash UI, and make sure "Hide Remove-Only Tabs" is disabled.

[azure lava]

I think GGG said it's going core I just can't remember for sure

[unborn lava]

Ah apologies, I misread your double negative haha.

I thought you were arguing that Abyss was unlikely to go core.

[viral saffron]

I did that still nothing not that I'll ever play standard just found it weird nothing was there

[boreal quartz]

Any good places to look for a build in the upcoming league?

[trim turret]

Not yet, we dont have the updated tree info yet and a bunch of other data.

[meager galleon]

and we wont have the tree until league start this time

soo get ready to improvise a bit until ppl do full guides :)

[boreal quartz]

Damn is there anything I should follow then for league start? Cuz I know respecc get pretty expensive but

[bold plank]

Is there anything I would know before starting for the first time?

[trim turret]

Not really, its pretty cheap, especially early on.

[trim turret]

Start a character in the new league on Friday. Get life and resistances on your gear. Read gems and items and keywords to understand how things work together. Don't try to be good st 5 different things. Dont make loops or take unnecessary small nodes on your passive tree.

[bold plank]

Aight thx

I don’t get half the stuff you said but I’ll figure it out eventually :b

[trim turret]

You're asking questions in the POE1 channel also. Which game are you playing?

[bold plank]

Im currently playing poe1 but when poe2 comes free this Friday I will still play it for the 3 days

Im new in both so I just wanted to know.

[trim turret]

Ah ok. Well that advice applies to both games. On equipment, you want to get maximum life and resistances, like fire/cold/lightning resists. And on your passive skill tree, you want to avoid taking a bunch of small passives. The medium sized ones give more. A lot of players try to grab everything, and you can't.

[bold plank]

Can’t you like change those “passives” later on anyways?

[trim turret]

Yeah, for a gold fee.

[lament stone]

you can, but small passives just dont give as much power as notables

[bold plank]

Well if it’s just gold for starters I think imma just get smalls then I will work up to the medium then if there high ones then I’ll do those too.

[trim turret]

You should always be working towards a medium. Thats the point.

The large ones are called keystones and they usually change your build drastically, not always in a good way. They're situational.

[lament stone]

you only take small nodes to path to your next notable

[trim turret]

Let's move this entirely to the POE1 chat.

[lament stone]

you dont prioritise small nodes ever

[bold plank]

Aight

[azure lava]

Passive skills all cost the same to refund at any given level (small, notable, and keystone makes no difference). The higher level you are the more expensive they are to refund.

Ascendancy points cost 5x the gold to refund compared to a normal passive point

[limber tinsel]

do they change campaign map layout each league od do the map layouts through campaign stay the same between leagues ?

[trim turret]

They may adjust some things but layouts are also randomly generated to a certain degree every time you play.

[final geyser]

The world map is generated differently for each league, so there may also be differences in certain layouts as a result.

[raw holly]

Is there ever a good reason to use a staff over a wand + offhand?

[void pagoda]

Because you find a really sick staff on the ground?

They are currently a bit underwhelming usually. Getting buffed in the patch.

[wispy sky]

Progress is linear but the maps do vary somewhat but with act 4 it's not linear at all you can pick how you want to progress act 4

[vagrant shoal]

Hey guys, returning player here and completely lost. Is mobalytics or maxroll a better site for exploring builds these days? Or im kinda feeling a minion build, any yall would recommend for fri?

[daring dragon]

Both are fine, and so is poe2ninja. It's rarely the case that one specific site is better than the others and it ultimately comes down to the exact build and its author.

[wispy sky]

Might want to wait a couple days before exploring though passive tree is seeing a big increase to nodes as well as minions got huge changes so people are waiting for changes to update builds

[obsidian forge]

youtube is the best

[grim epoch]

New season already start?

[wispy sky]

Friday

[grim epoch]

Hm

[vagrant shoal]

Ty! If i plan to go minions in some form or fashion do you recommend i start lich or infernalist? (Or something else)

I played a ton during the first ‘season’ but havent played since

[wispy sky]

If you want to do something funny titan from warrior is also a decent minion ascendency

50% increased effect of small nodes is pretty big on a minion build

[wicked forge]

Where should you stand during Jamanra sandstorm?

[final geyser]

Asala will summon a shield that you can stand behind.

[wicked forge]

Yea I see that but seem to die anyways…

Oh lol. Didn’t even see all the skeles that start attack

[final geyser]

Yeah, it spawns adds, it's not just a wait phase :p

[covert musk]

Currently practising in preperation for 0.3 (I had to skip 0.2), I just finished Act 1 with little over 7K gold and only 1 regal orb. I'm having hard time deciding wether to sell rares for gold or disenchant for regal shard. What is generally considered the play here?

[wicked forge]

Hmm not sure how I’m gonna get all those adds down. Feel too squishy

[trim turret]

Whatever you feel like you need more of. I tend to alternate. And always salvage items with sockets/quality.

[covert musk]

Yep I saved these until I had bench unlocked. Thanks

[crude verge]

guys what class should i use to speedrun 0.3 act 2 end

theres gonna be a race in turkey hosted by a big computer store

winner gets a pc

need ideas

[azure lava]

We don't have complete gem info or skill tree info. If I had to pick something off the info I have now, I'd probably go ED contagion sorc

But that's probably not even close to the best

Maybe spark + orb of storms sorc

[crude verge]

what about LA spam dead eye?

[azure lava]

You won't be a deadeye if you're just racing to the end of act 2

There's no way ascending is worth the time if you're just trying to kill Jamanra

[crude verge]

yea i wont even go for it

all i gotta do is kill jamanra fastest

[azure lava]

I'd watch past races, see what builds they used, and then see which one is the least affected by the 0.3 patch notes

And tree changes

And gem changes

[hot ledge]

uhhhhhhhhhhhhh

what does 0.3 mean

there has been 3 major updates in the early access?

[eternal violet]

next league patch

[hot ledge]

whats a league patch

[eternal violet]

well new league and balance patches and new content

on 29th

[hot ledge]

is it a major update

[eternal violet]

yes

i think

[hot ledge]

ohh

ty

[wispy sky]

.3 is he version the game will be on the 29th, it's a major content update

GGG numbers their patches based on the version of the game it will be

[hot ledge]

ty now it makes sense :)

[trim turret]

Its how software developers label versions. 1.0 is usually the version released to the general public, but the versions are arbitrary. POE1 is on 3.26.

[hoary zenith]

https://maxroll.gg/poe2/build-guides/minion-army-infernalist-build-guide will this build be helpful as a beginning player?

[daring dragon]

Will it be helpful, yes. But be aware the new league on Friday will basically change everything and following outdated builds isn't recommended.

[oblique sentinel]

mine is updated except for skill tree

cus it aint out yet

xd

[hoary zenith]

So do I have to wait till they're updated to try them out?

[oblique sentinel]

it is updated except for the skill tree

since that comes out on friday

[wispy sky]

No but the league starts in 2 days so you will have to restart if you want to experience the new league

[oblique sentinel]

minor tweaks to gear etc will happen

[hoary zenith]

Oh okay

[dusky burrow]

and supports and probably some other stuff

[oblique sentinel]

yeah some supports are getting renamed and different tiers

[proven matrix]

Are melee still that bad? I played on EA release and it was hard to be melee at that time

[limber gyro]

No there is a video out right now of a boss being killed with no skills just a 2h mace lol melee is good. Warrior at the start was hard, then turned into a beast when people figured it out. Monk is going to be dope using hallow palm ( fists ) next season.

[proven matrix]

I played monk on release and it was really hard to level up, didnt even finished act 1

[fervent bison]

Quarterstaves are weak early many monks used a bow until they leveled up

[limber gyro]

I played monk to at that time, made it right to end game.
Follow a build most people even use a bow as monk to level.

[proven matrix]

Yeah I might go again and start with bow or crossbow

They did not add any new class since then?

[sharp kraken]

they added huntress at 0.2
druid probably coming at 0.4

[echo rivet]

Guys. I have 3 premium tabs. Should I convert it to merchant tabs? #

And will I be convert them after the 0.3 launch?

Help

[trim turret]

Convert one to start and make the decision on the rest later. And yes, you can convert them after 0.3 launches.

[static patio]

can someone explains why this is showing up here? at the bottom it shows 7 atlas points.

[echo rivet]

Ah i remember your name. You helped a lot in first league.

I missed 0.2 totally. Do you think 0.3 will be a big change for me and i will see a lot of changes?

[trim turret]

Read the patch notes/watch the announcement stream. There are a ton of changes.

[static patio]

what are atlas points?

[trim turret]

Are you playing POE1 or 2?

[static patio]

why cant i use them?

PoE2 it shows i have 7 at the bottom when i click on it nothing happens

[trim turret]

Try CTRL-G.

[static patio]

nothing happens

[trim turret]

Dunno but this is a #2┃after-acts-help question anyway so someone there may be able to help more.

[echo rivet]

Yes, but. I asked as in wanted to hear your opinion

[static patio]

but im not after acts

im in act 3

[trim turret]

Is this the same league as one where you have a character that DID make it to maps?

You can't spend atlas points until after the campaign.

[static patio]

no?

[trim turret]

Because the atlas is an endgame mechanic.

[static patio]

why does it have the annoying flashing popup at the bottom

saying i have atlass points then

if i havent even unlocked them

[trim turret]

Have you ever gotten a character through the campaign?

[static patio]

yes

[trim turret]

Are you playing in standard?

[static patio]

on release but this is a character i made during the second season

ive never used atlas points though

[trim turret]

Did you make it in the Dawn of The Hunt league?

[static patio]

nope

[trim turret]

Yeah, so you're in standard. Where you've unlocked those points before. So theyre available, but you can't spend them because you arent in endgame.

[static patio]

i see thats wierd it should hide the popup untill i can spent them its annoying

[trim turret]

Standard is where everything gets dumped after a league ends so things are bound to be a bit janky during early access.

New league in 2 days anyway.

And they probably have higher priorities than a mildly irritating display bug that only shows up in standard.

[trim turret]

I think there are a ton of good changes coming and I'm excited to see the updated passive tree.

[maiden stream]

Which build would you recommend for a controller as a leaguestarter ?

[dry siren]

Is it worth it to get used to WASD movement in order to play crossbow? I'm used to regulasr click to move so trying WASD was sort of wierd but I also get why it would be more efficient.

[unborn lava]

Sure, or go all the way and use controller. It feels amazing across the game, but particularly great with crossbows.

[dry siren]

Yeah controller beats WASD in your opinion?

[unborn lava]

I'm biased and will be in the minority here, but yes. Inventory management is less good, but it has shortcuts too. And the ability to hotswap between controller and kb+m is coming in 0.4.

[toxic echo]

Newb here. For all this armor I have should I sell it? New to the game and usually you salvage or scrap. At the bench seems to be only for sockets or something.

[charred tinsel]

Anyone have any super active Guilds they recommend?

[unborn lava]

It's a preference. A lot of people sell very early for money, then switch to deconstructing. You definitely want to salvage bench anything that drops with Quality or sockets though, for the Artificer Orbs.

Also just be aware if you just started, that we're all starting fresh on Friday for the new league. So don't worry about making mistakes now.

[toxic echo]

Thanks for the info ! Restarting Friday…Even if I haven’t beaten the game? I’ll check into reconstructing

[unborn lava]

This is a league/seasonal game. You restart each league with new content.

There's really no such thing as "beating the game" in POE 😄

[toxic echo]

Yeah gotta watch a YouTube video about that. No clue what that is. I’m just doing the campaign for the first time. Poorly

[trim turret]

New leagues are an economy reset and include a gameplay mechanic in addition to any core additions/changes made to the overall game. Most people start from scratch and try new builds, interact with the league mechanic and any new content added, etc. And in POE1 we get league challenges for free cosmetics, those haven't been rolled out to POE2 yet because much of their effort is still getting the core content in.

So for 0.3 on Friday the game is getting a bunch of changes and additions to the core game, plus the abyss league mechanic, which is in POE1 but has been rebuilt/reworked for POE2.

[unborn lava]

☝️ Also, I like to say approach this game like Chess. You learn more each time you roll a new character, and you get deeper into the mechanics and systems that make up the game. Progression in POE isn't just about one character leveling up. It's more so about you as a player growing in knowledge and gaining power through that knowledge.

[south schooner]

i suck at chess 🤣

[unborn lava]

Me too!

that's why I play POE 2

[toxic echo]

Thanks guys that helps a ton. I love it so far but certain things are very difficult to just google if you are new. Cause you don’t even know how to put your question into words !

[unborn lava]

Do you know the wiki? Poe2wiki.net

Highly recommend as a source for documentation.

[trim turret]

That's what this channel is for.

[toxic echo]

Yes but I’m very impatient and the wiki is long winded. Once I become more skilled I think I’ll be able to navigate it better.

[prime roost]

New Player here. Still Downloading. Hope I learn a lot from you Guys!

[hollow oar]

What should do for early game as mersearare

[obsidian forge]

rephrase your question

[hollow oar]

What did I do for mercenary in the early game

[dusky burrow]

you're probably looking for #1┃new-player-in-campaign-help

[hybrid star]

aren't they asking about mercenary class in early game

[dusky burrow]

oh yeah

forgot

[daring dragon]

Look up a guide, for example on poe2ninja, mobalytics or maxroll

[meager galleon]

ninja isnt guides

its just snapshots of other ppls chars with no explanations

[daring dragon]

Still helps

[meager galleon]

only if you have a certain amount of understanding of the game

blindly copying builds without understanding them will just result in ppl forgetting some small key part of the build that makes it work

[daring dragon]

Can still draw useful info even if completely new

And learn on the fly

[daring dragon]

I helped enough people to know this will happen anyway

[meager galleon]

i mean yeah, it is a way to figure out stuff yourself, but its still not a place i would recommend as guides

[daring dragon]

No matter how well the build is explained

But of course you are technically right so let's not argue about semantics.

[meager galleon]

its all about, there are ppl in this channel completely new to the game, that know nothing, and if you send them to ninja and tell them its guides, and they just see bunch of stuff with no explanations, its just a another slap of overwhelming after they first opened the passive tree ingame :D

[daring dragon]

A person getting discouraged this quickly will move on from poe2 anyway.

[meager galleon]

true, but no need to push it if we don't have to

we can still ease ppl in

[haughty fulcrum]

Any idea when build guides will come out?

[daring dragon]

A couple days to a week after launch

Everything found before isn't final and most likley will change.

[dusky burrow]

proper guides only when we get the tree and skill details

[meager galleon]

normally we have some guides before launch, but we also normally have the updated skill tree at this point
and due to some technical reasons, ggg can't publish the tree this time before the website updates that happen on league patch

[obsidian forge]

fubgun has good deadeye builds, there is a new bloodmage fireball guide I saw which I liked too

but real guides will come out in the first week

with skills, supports, passive tree

[meager galleon]

yeah, streamers will have some partial guides for sure

about what their plan is and stuff, but they wont be detailed, will be more like idea frameworks

[haughty fulcrum]

It sounds like deadeye will be good this league, any idea what skill people are planning to focus on?

Is it lightning arrow again

[obsidian forge]

yes

gas arrow also great

maybe cold skills too

[meager galleon]

well they buffed cold bow stuff, so many ppl (me including) will try that

[lost needle]

Is it posible to screw myself hard by not following a build? Cuz idk what im doing. Im scared ill get stuck because i messed up my build

[daring dragon]

No

You can always respec

If you get stuck farm more and improve your character or learn whatever fight you are stuck on or respec.

[vapid spoke]

What class has prob the most active playstyle if that makes sense? Like if a minion build being the laziest, what would be the most active? Lots of skills or maybe comboing?

[hybrid star]

you can build your minions to have 10 buttons combo and you can build a one-button quarterstaff skill

and classes don't define a build btw

[vapid spoke]

Okay so point me towards this build 🙏

[hybrid star]

you mean the most action intensive?

builds people make are usually focused on less actions, cause that's how most people want to play, but you can do your own thing

[vapid spoke]

I've done two builds before where they were essentially one button mashing. While it is fine and efficient, its just bland. Was wondering if there were more synergistic combo builds out there. Im not well versed enough in this game to know all the skills.

I just wanna have fun and use lots of skills this time around

[daring dragon]

Lightning Arrow or Flickerstrike are two examples for relatively high apm builds from the top of my head

[hybrid star]

you can try bow and quaterstaff swapping, with the new 100 weapon swap passive mercenary

freeze and shock with bow and then dash in with quaterstaff (or unarmed) something like that

[vapid spoke]

Oh is that the witchhunter ascendancy? I think im reading it right

Hmmm maybe that is what I do

Prob alot of trial and error but sounds cool

[daring dragon]

Yea

[hybrid star]

you can do something like freeze with weapon 1 and then consume it with weapon 2,... they are trying to promote this kind of thing

[azure lava]

The chronomancer ascendancy can add up to three additional buttons to press from ascendancy notables alone. They also have a button that resets all their cooldowns for even more button pressing. If you want active, I'd try some sort of lightning conduit + frost bomb + other cold/lightning spell chronomancer with cooldown management at its core

Weapon swap to a cold staff with cold nodes on the tree, place frost bomb, maybe throw a curse, then swap to lightning staff and blast with lightning until they're shocked, then hit em with a lightning conduit (6s cooldown), reset CDs, and do it again

[harsh tartan]

Damn I had somehow missed that that gives 100 points now, highkey makes me wanna run merc instead of what I was going to do

Tactician looks cool too...

[vapid spoke]

Oooo yeah that sounds really fun. Ty very much plus I havnt played a spellcaster yet.

[azure lava]

It wasn't in the initial patch notes, it was added later. Not too hard to miss

[graceful pond]

I found a guide here about all permanent bonuses in the campaign, where can I find it?

[daring dragon]

https://mobalytics.gg/poe-2/guides/campaign-loot-normal

[graceful pond]

thanks

[jagged fern]

does shorter duration of posions automatically mean more damage?

and if so why would there be nodes that make the duration longer?

[final geyser]

No, it means less damage dealt overall. You'd want "Poison/Damaging Ailments dead Damage X% faster" to get more DPS out of the Poison, and increased duration to get more damage out in total.

[jagged fern]

so the shorten duration nodes would be to spread it faster or stuff like that i guess?

[final geyser]

Most ailment nodes increase the duration of ailments, Poison spread isn't generally affected by duration, all the effects that spread it just do so on enemy death.

[harsh tartan]

Oh that explains it yeah

thx

It sounds kinda OP no? I feel like it sounds kinda crazy

It also just sounds fun to theorycraft with ngl

A lot of possibilities to play around with

[lament stone]

theres still limits on what you can allocate with it

[harsh tartan]

True

[lament stone]

like jewel sockets and keystones cant be allocated with weapon swap points, and will still need to be connected to your start point with regular points, but basically it just gives you the freedom to set as many weapon swap points as you need

instead of trying to fit everything you need into 24 or 48 points (as it was before)

[harsh tartan]

I actually wasn't really thinking about what a big drawback it would be to actually not socket any jewels in all those points, B-lining to your important keystones with real points would be easy enough on a lot of builds probably, still matters, but the more weapon swap points you use the less jewels you have

if you would have like 80 total points in weapon swap points then you'll haverely have any jewels on your tree at all

well maybe that's not a that big deal and maybe you can also just still get a good amount of sockets, you kinda have an extra reason to get to them with real points anyways so that you don't have to path around them in annoying ways with the weapon points, if you wanted to get nodes further away

[coral marlin]

yo

anyone knows why my stash tabs are remove only?

im playing on the same platform

[harsh tartan]

Has your character been moved to standard league from previously being in a temporary league?

[coral marlin]

i created a new character

maybe yes

[harsh tartan]

Yeah no if it's on a new character then idk, someone else maybe does tho

[azure lava]

it's not just that you can't put jewels in the sockets, but that you cannot allocate a jewel socket with weapon swap points at all, so your tree would have to take massive detours in some cases

[coral marlin]

i just realized theres copys of it

[harsh tartan]

Yeah alright, nice, then it's just to move them over 👍

[azure lava]

when a league ends your stash gets moved to standard and put in remove-only tabs

[harsh tartan]

In which case it wasn't a new character as he said, but yeah

[lament stone]

stash is separate to your characters

[azure lava]

stashes are league-dependent, not character-dependent

it's not like last epoch's mode where every character starts completely fresh

character-found or something like that

[harsh tartan]

But if you make a new character in a temporary league then you won't see your old stash that's been moved to a remove-only tab in standard right? You'd have to be in standard league to see that right? Although maybe his new account was created in standard, yeah I guess that makes sense

[rancid oasis]

I didn't quite understand how the campaign will work after this last update. If I create a second char I'll be able to skip the campaign and go to the interlude acts?

Not sure if they mentioned it

[lament stone]

youll never be able to skip the campaign

they removed the cruel acts and replaced them with act 4 and the 3 interlude acts

the interlude acts only exist to fill in the gap between act 4 zones and endgame zones

[rancid oasis]

Yeah, that I understood

I didn't understood the behaviour in case of a second char

play everything again is boring, but I understand

[final geyser]

You play through 4 acts and then the interlude acts.

[cursive blade]

Gemini Bow now has 39-72 Physical Damage (previously 39-73)

Settle down GGG!

[chilly cosmos]

Good resources to learn about PoE2?

In general

[daring dragon]

Poe2ninja, maxroll, mobalytics, Youtube as well as #1308715317375270952

[chilly cosmos]

maxroll PoE is actually trustable?

[daring dragon]

Yes

[boreal trail]

Anyone have an idea how to get around the Red Veil ? I cant go in it or I crash and can never play that char again

[daring dragon]

If you happen to be on steam verify the game's data.

[gleaming dove]

does everyone skip league mechanics when going through the campaign?

[daring dragon]

Entirely up to you

[thick patio]

I just cleared the entire venom crypts found 1 or 2 bodies and no poison draught

[hybrid star]

not in here?

[thick patio]

ill go double check

[thick patio]

no?

[hybrid star]

[unborn lava]

that does indeed look like a level generation bug. I wouldn't fret over it too much though, since 0.3 comes tomorrow and we're starting fresh anyway.

[thick patio]

I hadnt committed to the new season

[daring dragon]

Only option you got is to reset the instance and run it again

[thick patio]

easy enough ill ask my friend what he is doing for the new season

[worn delta]

Does immobilization build up count towards heavy stun build up? I'm trying to figure out if the new suppressing fire tactitian node will be useful for my build

[rotund oxide]

is there a checklist for poe 2 like for poe 1?

https://heartofphos.github.io/exile-leveling/ like this

but for poe 2

[unborn lava]

https://github.com/juddisjudd/poe2-quest-tracker

[true siren]

I forgot did steam have a poe2 predownload or only the poe2 client

[opaque iron]

Steam did but it was 1-3 hours before launch

[rotund oxide]

thank you

[trim turret]

Have you tried changing renderers or gateways? What type of crash?

[magic charm]

Hey guys so this is gonna be my first leauge and idk when it will start what’s the best builds etc

[trim turret]

Countdown is on the front page of the website to show when it starts, we don't have build guides because we don't have the updated passive tree so everyone will be figuring out as they go for the first couple days.

[silk rivet]

just pick any deadeye guide

or u can suffer and come try totem build with me

[trim turret]

Hollow Palm will likely be popular.

[silk rivet]

yea but it will either be really bad or somewhat good

[daring dragon]

The best build is always the one you are interested in. Meta doesn't rly matter for the average player.

[trim turret]

We know nothing until the full tree and gem data is available.

[silk rivet]

well yea but i dont think it will be busted

[silk rivet]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sSMCdFqNz9o Quality of life stuff

[haughty fulcrum]

don't they usually show the new stuff before the launch? Why are they hiding the new tree?

[daring dragon]

Because of technical reasons due to it being the first proper league iirc

[magic charm]

Cool cool any group I can join or a clan

[magic charm]

Can’t find it

[daring dragon]

#2┃looking-for-group

[daring dragon]

Then you didn't even open the website lol

It's right there

Immediately when opening the official poe2 website

[magic charm]

Mb was checking Poe 2

[trim turret]

They're working on it until the last minute and the data isnt available until it can be deployed to the website.

[autumn star]

What is best to play if I want to see firespells go boom across my screen? Witch or Sorceress? And which ascendancy?

[trim turret]

Both have ascendancies that can do that.

Though probably mostly not related to fire spells.

But general buffs to things that affect fire spells. Even a deadeye ranger can be played with that due to the buffs to projectiles.

[patent nimbus]

how to move and attack properly in deadeye LA build?

i think i'm using the wrong buttons

[daring dragon]

#1324862098567725066

[rustic dragon]

Found this helmet

What does "Non-curse aura" mean?

[final geyser]

https://discord.com/channels/174993814845521922/509514642826199063

[rotund oxide]

can you enjoy the story of poe 2 without completing poe 1?

[dusky burrow]

yes

the story is not that deep, if you read dialogue, env lore etc. should all make sense

[rotund oxide]

o ok thanks

[final geyser]

And anything that you need to know from PoE1 is covered in PoE2 if you listen to the dialogue and some of the optional topics.

[azure lava]

A few reveals in acts 2 and 3 hit a lot harder if you've played poe1 but you absolutely don't need to have played it to enjoy the story

[unborn lava]

Writes a 60 page article on the history of Wraeclast "Oh, it's not that deep". 😄

[wise cedar]

can i preload poe2 for the free weekend somehow?

seems like i cant :(

[final geyser]

You cannot, no.

[final geyser]

In fairness, the basic plot isn't that complex, it's more the lore and history of the world that's got a lot going on, but it isn't strictly necessary to know to be able to enjoy PoE2.

[uneven trout]

do crossbows setups care more about wep similar to melee or gem lvls as we see with caster setups?

[unborn lava]

Oh for sure. I think one of POE's strengths is that they've created a rich world to inhabit, and even people who care nothing for the lore benefit from that. It feels real and lived in. And they do a good job allowing you to skip most of the deeper lore if you want.

[unborn lava]

It's not so much xbow vs. caster. It's more that Spells scale their base damage primary off the gem level, while attacks are typically scaled more based on weapon damage.

[final geyser]

They're Attacks, so the weapon.

Yeah, it's nothing to do with Melee/Ranged or what have you, it's whether it is an Attack or Spell. Attacks most commonly deal a percentage of your weapon damage, Spells most commonly have their own damage, with caster items having no base Attack damage.

[uneven trout]

ty

[rotund oxide]

is there a countdowns omewhere?

[dusky burrow]

little known site called pathofexile2.com

[hot ledge]

should i play stormweaver or deadeye

for the new league

[vague wagon]

is there smth like a setting that massively helps the gpu? mines kinda struggling

[rotund oxide]

is that the same time for the free weekend?

[daring dragon]

Yes

[vague wagon]

it like somewhat freezes and then suddenly completely speeds up

[trim turret]

Hit F1 and watch to see what is actually struggling.

[trim turret]

We have no build guides because we don't have a passive tree if that's what you're after. Take a chance, decide and give something a try.

[hot ledge]

ok

[vague wagon]

im relatively certain it was the gpu but it somehow got fixed by now, not sure if it was just a temporary issue or if it was smth i did though

[trim turret]

Shader caching maybe?