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dense agate
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we dont know the damage though

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it could be bonkers

naive furnace
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It might scale with quality

dense agate
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i think its not meant to be a main skill

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just a skill you use every now and again for giga damage

frosty eagle
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This is a Buff

frosty panther
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it may be no druid

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but they also had to rebalance the game

frosty eagle
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Its always active

frosty panther
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and said class was first thing they'd shelf

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over game health

sand brook
pastel bluff
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seems like a very low amount of content for what we heard

frosty panther
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you have plenty of new skills

pastel bluff
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i think there might be stuff thats missing

short rapids
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there's new skills just probably no druid

frosty panther
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they just look the same

sand brook
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and if this rhings are true they are good changes except sprint

frosty panther
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sunder doesn't suck ass if your not a degen

pastel bluff
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like some ascendancies and classes. no way they dont have any ascendancies or classes

dense agate
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there are new ascendancies

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and druid is possible

sand brook
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thats like i want ms jonathan we have ms at home
ms at is sprint

frosty panther
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maurauder is also possible

short rapids
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maroider is cope

dense agate
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the poe2db leak had them remove the DNT tag on druid and a new monk asdendancy

pulsar sedge
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The leaker said no druid. There was enough ambiguity that others are possible, but doubt it.

dense agate
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they generally only do that before release

frosty panther
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muarauder druid and huntress were closest 3

frosty eagle
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Sprint is just Quicksilver, relax

sand brook
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that site also says withc, warrior, ranger and mercenary rework

dense agate
frosty panther
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huntress came out druid did not

frosty eagle
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No charges needed but downside is that you can't get hit

frosty panther
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muaruader is also big class for people who dont like backloaded skills like warrior has

short rapids
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axes do seem much easier to create and design over shapeshifting

frosty panther
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since axes come out with him

dense agate
short rapids
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shapeshifting is a lot of work

sand brook
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mercenary rework sounds true judging they allowing multi support gems in multi skills gemling in corner

short rapids
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druid needed a total rehaul after the wasd changes

frosty panther
sand brook
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i'm kinda hyped man i just wanna see something cool

pastel bluff
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axes and swords should be easy

frosty panther
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Axes are very much "Commit hard with single attack." weapon

sand brook
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i played all class so far

frosty panther
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IRL

pastel bluff
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sounds more like mace, they are heavier, require more strength

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axes are like 3/4th strength 1/4th dex

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mace is full strength

short rapids
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@frosty panther we've seen throwing axe skills. Its going to be like a raider based style rather than ungu bunga axes in poe1

frosty eagle
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Axes are in between Sword and Mace but also throwable

keen copper
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Axes are 75% str 25% dex

frosty panther
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it just needs to feel like a brutal assualt

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which is why i suppose thsoe chose muaruder

dusk igloo
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any summary doc of the leaks floating around?

frosty panther
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throwing an axe and than running in with melee is like

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the coolest shit

short rapids
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the leaked forge hammer throw skill seems more in line with what im expecting from axes

dense agate
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this looks sick btw

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i love shield skills

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so giving them some better clear is huge

sand brook
dense agate
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i got it one sec

sand brook
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att req is annoying

frosty panther
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neat

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so likely the other skill is going to count as melee too

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i forgot what it was

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but that one really shitty clear skill

short rapids
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but yeah im expecting axes to have like. Throw Axe, either return or do X thing. Or Throw Axe use another skill to trigger thing

sand brook
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spectral shied

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splitting steel

frosty panther
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poe2

sand brook
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but thats sword ig

frosty panther
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its a mace skill

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and is basically unusable

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shoots magma balls

dense agate
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im not 100% sure what 'resets the cooldown' means

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like just pure reset and can be used again instantly?

short rapids
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it has an 8s cooldown if you blow it up

frosty panther
short rapids
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if you just throw it it doesnt

dense agate
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yeah thats what I thought

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the explosion and fissures must deal crazy damage

frosty panther
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which is why i like them as a non crit weapon but a crit scythe axe could be cool.

dense agate
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because the impact is 337% at level 9

sand brook
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molten strike?

dense agate
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molten blast

short rapids
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Its probably a great skill for big packs/rare killing

dense agate
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is the skill youre talking about

frosty eagle
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Too bad 8 second cdr

frosty panther
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molten balst

frosty eagle
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So probably just a boss killer

frosty panther
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that dog shit skill yeah

sand brook
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thats shitty micro volcano

frosty panther
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yeah hopefully it gets counted as melee too

short rapids
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It has fissures so you can Throw hammer, warcry and then do usual dps shit after

frosty eagle
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Yeah you do Sunder after this, it will pop off like crazy

dense agate
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Ancestral Cry also looks crazy. You just go beast mode

short rapids
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yeah its Kaom mode

frosty eagle
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That said, getting Endurance Charges is so hard

dense agate
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i want to use stamapede with it

short rapids
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50% duration per charge is insane thats 4 secs per charge

dense agate
short rapids
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Theres new supports for endurance gen

dense agate
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did you see the new supports?

sand brook
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but whats with those att req

short rapids
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its super easy

frosty eagle
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Oh I didnt see them

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Warrior already one taps bosses tho

dense agate
short rapids
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yeah but that'll be nice for clear

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perma up

dusk igloo
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steroid forms are boring imo

dense agate
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k

frosty eagle
frosty eagle
short rapids
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enduring impact on stampede EZ full charges every pack

pastel bluff
short rapids
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then you also do fire shit when stempedeing

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cus fire walking

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lol

dense agate
sand brook
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oh yeah enduring impact can work with mobs

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but boss gonna take time

dense agate
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perfect timing is trivial

frosty eagle
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You can use Perfect Strike to make endurance charges on bosses

short rapids
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perfected obviously is for that and fits the fire archetype

dense agate
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just slap it on perfect strike and youre good

short rapids
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PErfect strike for fire single, The buff to convert stampede to fire

dense agate
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also they made perfect strike's AoE even bigger

sand brook
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i'm not good with perfect strike most of time i cant see that shine to release it

dense agate
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its legit easier with slower attacks

sand brook
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btw u guys think its buged when enemy is heavy stunned and u try to again attack the stun bar fills but with heavy stunned even after its went to 0. may be intended or some cd

dense agate
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not a bug

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immobilization has an internal CD

frosty panther
sand brook
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still dont fill the bar its too confusing

frosty panther
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I've been begging for this for huntress for the past 2 weeks

dense agate
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also underrated part of kaom mode

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is that when you ancestrally boost strike skills, they target additonal enemies with mirage clones

frosty panther
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it requires valor

honest patio
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Does anyone know what was contained in the chinese leaks post on reddit that got removed?

frosty panther
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you cant keep it up against bosses

dense agate
short rapids
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all the leaks were from a french dummy

dense agate
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not permanently

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but prob at least 1 proc

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you just have to ignite

short rapids
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shouldnt really need it more than once if its a big dmg boost with the eruptions

winter garden
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Reveal tomorrow - we dont know that

dense agate
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we do though

pastel bluff
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i foresaw it in a divine revelation

dense agate
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making coffee with redbull instead of water and seeing the future

frosty panther
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oh

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its for fire skills

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yeah thats fine than

dense agate
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this is interesting too

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it converts the damage of boosted attacks

pastel bluff
dense agate
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also if you have 3 endurance charges it will last 20 seconds

short rapids
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yeah pretty long

winter garden
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Do you think that we will get act 5 also ?

short rapids
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nope

dense agate
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only act 4

short rapids
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act 4 and 3 mini acts

winter garden
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Lol

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What do you know ?

pastel bluff
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i was 100% sure that they will cut the cruel stuff. but the mini acts, i did not forsee

dense agate
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it was leaked

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that is how its going to go

pastel bluff
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i thought that it would be act 5 and 6 instead of more temporary content

winter garden
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When ?

dense agate
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today

pastel bluff
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i feel like adding temporary content is kinda a waste of time you know?

winter garden
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By who ?

dense agate
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some french site posted their stuff early

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its confirmed the leaks are real

pulsar sedge
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Its as closed to confirmed as possible without being GGG sanctioned.

winter garden
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Ok

magic gale
dense agate
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also guys, where is the cooldown?

winter garden
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Do we know something about ascendancies for Sorceress ?

short rapids
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So sprint is probably quite fast

dense agate
pastel bluff
magic gale
pastel bluff
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if they reuse them in acts 5 and 6, then its worth it

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like, i do not know, some zones from act 5 and 6 standalone basically

short rapids
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the mini acts are just a way for them to add more bosses and bridge the gap to maps and not hold those bosses and mobs back

pulsar sedge
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They won't be, the leak stated they were being moved to endgame after 5/6 get added

pastel bluff
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that they have individual zones and bosses ready but haven't made the wiring if you will, so they give them stand alone

short rapids
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i imagine GGG is focusing on the acts done and adding more baseline skills of shit we already have THEN they'll do the classes

dense agate
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also shield charge change almost 100% means stomping ground is deadge

short rapids
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the other classes are in practice just new skills and some ascendancies

pastel bluff
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i did not read the shield charge change

dense agate
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no CD but less damage

pastel bluff
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give me moment

short rapids
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shield charge gains dmg based off distance now

pastel bluff
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those attack damage numbers look bad

pulsar sedge
dense agate
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the collison deals way more damage btw

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thats the area

pastel bluff
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i think they wanted to kill people who were literally just shield charging oneshotting packs

pulsar sedge
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I think it was 0.2 that had Jonathon explicitly call out that they had a few people who can do character balance sight unseen.

pastel bluff
dense agate
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the collison deals 3.6x the damage of the 'area'

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which is just as youre running past

short rapids
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shield charge can trigger walls now. So can it blow up ice walls?

dense agate
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probably not

pulsar sedge
dense agate
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shield wall has a special line for shield charge specifically

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but you can 100% still oneshot packs with shield charge

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especially if you add in the new fortifying cry

short rapids
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Oh lame

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shield charge is neither a strike or a slam

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so Kaom ancestral boost doesnt work

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from Kaom mode

dense agate
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it does step though 😄

frosty panther
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also shield skills getting the love they deserve

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makes maces feel probably infinitely better

pastel bluff
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customer ought not to care how things are done but what he is getting. dude says they should focus on acts, thats on them to focus more on that as a company providing it, not the lesser parts that contribute it, for it comes together as one

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such sayings just use to convince people to be content with worse products and empathise

dense agate
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fortifying cry is interesting

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what other skill counts power that high

short rapids
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fortifying cry is the answer to people asking for a way to gain a "shield" with armor

dense agate
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also I wonder if the empowered shockwave counts as warcry damage

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or damage with the attack that triggered it

frosty panther
dense agate
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probably not warcry damage

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but I think supports linked to the warcry itself should boost it

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which means warbringer is by far the best option

naive furnace
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Shield warrior bros....

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we won

dense agate
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because you dont need any cooldown gems, or tireless or anything like that

pastel bluff
dense agate
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you can just link a bunch of damage and aoe

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I think probably # of exerts

sly crypt
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new classes?

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just got here

pastel bluff
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is that a maximum possible amount or just the one that is created?

dense agate
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no new classes

sly crypt
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ight im out

dense agate
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but probably some ascendancies

pastel bluff
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that it can only create "up to" ?

dense agate
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and tons of new cool stuff

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i think it just works like exert count

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i doubt it creates multiple per attack

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like if it makes 4, then the next 4 attacks will produce a shockwave

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but yeah Warbringer is looking really good for all this cool warcry stuff

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especially because they mega buffed warbringer

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jade heritage no longer consumes the buff on the first hit

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+1 totem

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and also the warcry stuff is 1 passive now

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no warcry CD in act 2

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lets go

magic gale
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oh wow

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Where'd you see this?

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I didn't see any ascendency stuff on the Kami website

dense agate
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the warrior page leaks

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let me get the pdf one sec

magic gale
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Ah okay I just missed it

dense agate
magic gale
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I see

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I'm guessing ancestral spirits are actually functional now too

dense agate
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yeah hopefully

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they didnt list any changes to negative armour though

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which would suck

magic gale
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getting warcry cd ignore at ~lvl22 would be amazing

dense agate
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yeah warbringer for leaguestart looks hella comfy

magic gale
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A net positive in a lot of these seems to be the ability to get builds online in simple states much earlier

frosty panther
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ancestral spiirits were never not fucntional

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tottems sucked

dense agate
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?

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totems never sucked lol

magic gale
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yeah, they slam

dense agate
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im conflicted now on what I want to play

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going kaom mode seems amazing

magic gale
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me too, and that's a huge compliment to this update

dense agate
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but it doesnt synergize with warbringer

pastel bluff
magic gale
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The big benefit to no Druid means 80% of people won't all shove into the new class.

dense agate
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i linked the pdf

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wait I forgot totems now need endurance charges

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lul

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at least the warrior totem

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shockwave is normal

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warrior totem has no limit though

short rapids
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yeah the limit is somehow mass generating charges

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which you know xdd

pastel bluff
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totems are way more of a templar thing to me, not sure why they use maces

dense agate
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disagree

pastel bluff
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earthquakes and totem all that stuff feels more like spells for templar than marauder

dense agate
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karui literally have totempoles

pastel bluff
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totems are religious, templar all about faith

dense agate
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yeah faith to innocence

pastel bluff
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would totems really scale with weapon damage? its the totem that is doing the damage, not you hitting enemy with it

frosty panther
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they heavily buffed charge generation

dense agate
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it doesnt have the 'uses its own weapon' line anymore

frosty panther
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they realized

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if you can't generate charges

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how are you supposed to spend them on skils

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XD

honest patio
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i just hope they make chalupa monk good...

dense agate
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seems like shield wall probably cant shotgun anymore

rare thorn
dense agate
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never said it was good

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you cant scale the base from gem level anymore

obtuse moon
short rapids
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templar is heavily drawing from necks

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which is a giant totem pole

obtuse moon
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you know. templar. knights templar

obtuse moon
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and templar is like one degree of separation from just being a fantasy crusader

pastel bluff
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mechanically i just think that totems make more sense as being a str/int thing maybe even an int thing than pure strength

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would druids not fit with totems as flavour?

short rapids
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druids could always have plant based totems

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just plant turrets basically

rare thorn
obtuse moon
dense agate
pastel bluff
dense agate
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its weird its not listed though

rare thorn
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If not for the endurance charges

pastel bluff
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yes, absolutely. i would prefer if totems were a druid thing, absolutely. totems were more of a templar thing in poe1, might as well be somewhere in str/int in poe2

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you had a few stuff for totems in marauder but hierophant was the one that had the bigger modifiers

keen copper
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totems were a big templar thing in poe1 on hiero

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so it makes sense for them as well

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holy flame totem etc

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im just glad theyre getting some love this patch

dense agate
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poe 2 is going much more for thematic sense

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templars and totems only really make sense in a "this is how we did it years ago" practical sense

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than a "this makes logical sense"

keen copper
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well lets hear from them if they dont think its thematic or not

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im all for it dont get me wrong

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considering warbringer has totems etc

dense agate
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Templars didnt carve totems

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Maori people did

keen copper
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I see

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well in poe templars seem to be associated with totems in lore, at least the hierophant is

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I mean its literally in poe 1

paper glade
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now we have druid and he can handle totems

keen copper
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maybe druid wont even be associated with totems

rough dagger
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"Totems" had different themes in PoE1... They had a very strong ancestral theme that is tied to the Karui, but the other style of totems, which is like the spell totems was more for the heiro

obtuse moon
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the shockwave and ancestral totems iirc are based off of pouwhenua (carved wooden pillars similar to totem poles) which is probably why theyre associated with the pure str weapon, since both pure str classes are karui in origin which, yknow

keen copper
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maybe itll be a maurauder thing since its rumoured to have chieftain and chieftain has it

obtuse moon
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based heavily on the maori

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the karui afaik are Fantasy Maori™ in the same way that the vaal are Fantasy Aztecs™

rough dagger
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Melee totems -> Karui/Marauder
Ranged totems were then reworked into Ballistas -> Ranger
Spell totems -> Templar

obtuse moon
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or well i guess the vaal are more based off of mesoamerican cultures in a more general sense not just the aztecs

short rapids
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the only templar themed looking totem i can even think of is holy fire totem

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otherwise the generic spell totem si karui themed

keen copper
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itll be interesting to see how they do it moving forward considering Warbringer has major Karui vibes

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looks like they got buffed this patch

rough dagger
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Yeah, I suspect warbringer could be moved to become a Marauder ascendancy

frosty panther
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warbringer also has ezomyte vibes

obtuse moon
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i don't think it would be

frosty panther
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hes a hybrid of the two cultures.

keen copper
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yeah thats a good call

obtuse moon
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warbringer is like that because the warrior is karui in origin just raised as an ezomyte

keen copper
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I main'd a warbringer sunder totem with svalinn last league, farmed the shit out of fragments when they were super profitable and made 500-600 divs

rough dagger
keen copper
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I left for poe1 league and gave all the divs to guildmates LOL

frosty panther
keen copper
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then played ps totems on hiero LOLLLLL

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omegalul

frosty panther
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He's got the warcries of a karui

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but compares them to the great wolf

short rapids
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Marauder is going to be pure karui id suspect

frosty panther
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He summons totems like a kurui, but idevotes them to spirit animals like a ezomyte

obtuse moon
short rapids
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pirate karui man

obtuse moon
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the other dude is explaining it more succintly than i can

rough dagger
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chrisThinking I realized I have no idea who the ezomytes are, so I just noticed the Karui parts

keen copper
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So Maurauder is rumoured to have - Chieftain and what else?

obtuse moon
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warrior's doing tex-mex but for killing people

keen copper
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for ascendencies

short rapids
frosty panther
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he hits hard and aggressive but does it with the knowledge of smithing his father gave him. Instead of blindly swinging

obtuse moon
keen copper
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probably Beserker right?

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gotta have a Berserker

short rapids
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theres art of an ascendancy summoning a bunch of spirits

frosty panther
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renlys training goes into turtle charm which is him taking the training and using it himself

keen copper
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Warlord, Chieftain and Berserker sounds fitting

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maybe we do get Maurauder this szn

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those all sound very Karui-esque

short rapids
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there is a few actual axe skills data mined so I mean its probably in line after druid

obtuse moon
keen copper
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I mean its sounding unlikely atm that were getting Druid, so maybe they moved up Maurauder because of the WASD stuff?

short rapids
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honestly

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I want shadow before anyone else

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I want to see what GGG cooks up for daggers

keen copper
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oh same, im a mine thrower LOL

frosty panther
obtuse moon
frosty panther
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he is by far the most complicaed character

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was last last time

short rapids
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lol i dont expect him now but that is what I want

frosty panther
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will be last again

keen copper
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Saboteur or some sort of trinket master would be dope, but its gotta come much later right because traps + mines + daggers ?

obtuse moon
keen copper
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Duelist will probably be second last with swords

frosty panther
keen copper
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then Shadow with Daggers + mines + traps

frosty panther
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most of shadows mechanics rely on complex math to even function

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if you actually want to make your own build

obtuse moon
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i'll stick to bonking

frosty panther
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hopefully the changes to traps and daggers make him less confusing

obtuse moon
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it's gonna be such an improvement to be able to socket multiple support gems of the same type to different skills

frosty panther
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"Crit good. APS good just attack/just spell scaling bad."

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would be understandable i think.

short rapids
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teleports behind you

obtuse moon
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i will never understand why they made that restriction a thing in the first place like they want you to combo skills but they want to limit how many skills you can have ideal support gems on

short rapids
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I have mcdonalds. Hey any awake GGG employee, Ill give you my large fry for leaks

rough dagger
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It's never enough, is it?

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All those leaks, and you still want more

short rapids
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I am ravenous

magic gale
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I once offered Viper tickets to the zoo for Druid form leaks

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Unsuccessful

keen copper
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OMEGALUL

rough dagger
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It didn't work only because there was nothing to leak

magic gale
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I hadn't considered that possibility...

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Do we have any indication at all that we're getting any ascendencies? I've not seen any.

short rapids
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besides the DB stuff no

magic gale
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I'm quite happy with the huge reworks we've seen, but would be mildly surprised if there's not a single ascendency.

rough dagger
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Don't say that Coffee, we are getting the Martial Artist

frosty panther
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@twin dawn Armor got armor to ele and evasion got evasion to deflect chance

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Both of which fix the defenses two major weaknesses

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So.

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Pretty big deal

magic gale
tribal vortex
rough dagger
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Cute little fella

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where is that from

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I assume a banner from somewhere?

pastel bluff
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just give me life please give me life me want life me strong want strong more life give me life

obtuse moon
twin dawn
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I think I have a general issue all over the tree though

keen copper
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Guys, im trying to remain positive but im pessimistic 😭

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I did not enjoy last season very much

frosty panther
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I wonder if merc is gonna get a node with both deflect and armor to ele

winter garden
frosty panther
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he was already the tankiest life character by a mile

keen copper
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im probably just gonna be lazy and do warbringer

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unless we get maurauder and ill do volcanic fissure shenanigans

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I might do that anyways with Titan maybe

frosty panther
keen copper
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warbinger sunder totems or fissure titan probably if no druid or maurauder

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ALTHOUGH mirage archer is busted it seems

frosty panther
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I love the strong reduction of "Use the skill the way i intend it to be used."

keen copper
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but I hate bows so I probably wont

frosty panther
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that's a good feeling

twin dawn
#

True

keen copper
#

maybe martial artist is revealed and its gross

#

I do like the archetype of crazy chi monk

#

one punches dudes

twin dawn
#

I think at the end of the day thats my issue with all the systems in the game

#

The passive tree just kinda railroads you onto whatever the game wants you to play i feel like

frosty panther
#

to be fair

twin dawn
#

I dont feel like I have options to do anything wacky or stupid

frosty panther
#

that's mostly because the defensive nodes suck ass XD

keen copper
#

coming from poe1, not to compare, I do feel like the tree is way more boring

#

thers no flat life, theres no masteries

#

its alot less customization and theres less creativity to be had

twin dawn
#

It feels like long stretches of +5 stat over and over and over

keen copper
#

like they even nerfed the amount of gem slots majorly from what, 5 to 3 or some shit. like its possible to get more if you maximize it

rough dagger
#

If anything, life would m ake the tree more boring

frosty panther
#

well thre is actually flat life

rough dagger
#

They're a non-choice

frosty panther
#

that's a misnomer

#

we call that strength here.

keen copper
#

yeah I know

#

listen I miss my life masteries ok

#

😭

twin dawn
rough dagger
#

I do agree that the tree feels very bland, but I honestly couldn't articulate why, when I look at PoE1's tree, it also looks bland

#

but it does feel better somehow

twin dawn
#

Yeah

frosty eagle
#

Its because in PoE1, a lot of notables wwre giving you like multiple stats, like 3 a piece

rough dagger
#

Maybe having more generic damage, or generic defence is it? PoE2 notable seem like they try to be special

#

but end up being non-tangible

frosty eagle
#

Here in PoE2 you get fewer benefits

#

Its like one line.sometines

twin dawn
#

I feel like theres more space in between everything I want

rough dagger
#

Do you? The number look the same, right?

frosty eagle
#

And also there are way too many generic damage nodes

#

Versus like weapon specifc

keen copper
#

yeah like "25% attack damage"

rough dagger
keen copper
#

that stuff is useful obviously in certain parts of the tree dont get me wrong

frosty eagle
#

There are like 3 Mace weapon wheels and a bunch of 2 handed wheels... I PoE2 there is like one Mace wheel

#

It makes trees feel more homogenized

keen copper
#

theres SICK axe wheels at the bottom of the tree in poe 1

#

several great block nodes

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in different area

frosty eagle
#

What's the difference vetween an Axe or a Mace tree aside from one single wheel?

#

Thats my personal gripe

green ledge
#

placeholders on the website. marauder is the only one with a portrait though

frosty eagle
#

Its easier to build trees for new players but its harder to have narrow focuses

#

I dont care about life too much tho

twin dawn
#

That is kinda the issue all the problems I have are nontangible

#

So I kinda just have to gesture wildly and say fix it

magic gale
frosty eagle
#

Nah the problems are real and its designed that way

#

For example

keen copper
#

we need a new weapon type forsure, but that only comes with a new "exile"

green ledge
frosty eagle
#

Tree in PoE2 is far more about enhancing stuff you have versus giving you extra bonuses (flat bonuses)

keen copper
#

not much longer till we find out

frosty eagle
#

Which means you dont feel power of tree when you get nodes versus when you get item upgrades

rough dagger
frosty eagle
#

Getting increased block chance nodes in PoE2 isn't as exciting as getting a +5% block in PoE1

frosty eagle
rough dagger
#

Yeah, it doesn't feel very good

frosty eagle
#

You cant get stats on tree that you can get on equipment (if you do its very low amounts)

#

Which means hardly any resistances on tree either

twin dawn
#

I really feel for them honestly

frosty eagle
#

Its all stuff that multiplies what you have

rough dagger
#

It's also because PoE2's tree feels like it's trying to support more things, so a lot of the nodes feel a lot more niche

frosty eagle
#

There are exceptions and those exceptions are the nodes ppl get a lot

#

Like Movement speed, you always feel that node

rough dagger
#

10% action speed node my beloved

keen copper
#

what are your guys thoughts on attributes in poe1 vs poe2

twin dawn
#

They're fine

rough dagger
#

I like PoE2's attributes more, but they are too harsh on the requirements

#

like very harsh

twin dawn
#

Nothing negative to say nothing positive

#

They're fine

rough dagger
#

for skill gems

twin dawn
#

I would agree with that yeah

frosty eagle
#

PoE2 is much stricter attributes by design, so it makes attributes more valuable. For support gems and items its fine, but for skill gems its a bit too harsh so they can turn it down a bit

rough dagger
#

It feels very bad when I am a ranger/Huntress and I still need to get extra dex nodes on the tree or on my gear to level my skills to 20

frosty eagle
#

Esp if you want to do something off class

keen copper
#

yeah I just feel like its more harsh feeling, same with mana and other requirements

#

obviously crafting has a huge effect on this in poe1 because you can solve more problems

rough dagger
#

Yeah, I understand off class being harsh, and that's where you'd need attributes on gear/tree, but within your class, you shouldn't ever struggle with leveling skills I feel

keen copper
#

I always feel like act 2 is that spot where it feels pretty bad

frosty eagle
#

You pretty much have to take every notable that gives Attributes early on

keen copper
#

I do hope they find a way to vendor refresh

frosty eagle
#

Even for same class

keen copper
#

I did 4 or 5 ssf runs this week acts 1-3

#

and had superrrrrrrrrrr bad seeds

#

it was rough

tropic nexus
frosty eagle
#

When I was playing Bleed Huntress, I was pretty pushed for both str and dex

keen copper
#

feels like your incentivized to dismantle your gear but youre not getting good enough returns to make it back up

rough dagger
#

Yeah, I understand STR in this case, but dex? I don't like it, I think I picked up the big dex cluster on every huntress I played

#

which doesn't make sense to me

keen copper
#

I dont want to spend that much time at vendors personally

#

like the blue gear problem early on, also is the same thing that happened with rogue exiles

rough dagger
keen copper
#

like ritual?

frosty eagle
#

They should definitely allow us to lock

keen copper
#

that would be interesting

rough dagger
#

Without the lowering the cost part

#

Just "don't refresh those items, I am just too poor now"

keen copper
#

yeah like, you dont find movespeed boots early

#

GG

frosty eagle
#

Or you find MS boots but dont have enough gold

#

And then you level up and its refreshed lol

twin dawn
frosty eagle
#

200 attribute for skill gems at lvl20 is too high, should probably be like 150

keen copper
twin dawn
#

Gold just seems actually useless until extremely late

#

Whats even the point of an act 1 gamble

frosty eagle
#

I have had bad luck on gambling so I Disenchant everything and just check vendors

#

If I am very desperate then I gamble weapon or boots that's it

twin dawn
#

I do a ring gamble sometimes if I want resistances

gritty bison
#

#

hi

keen copper
#

oh wow ill take this 4 stun threshold and 1.3 life regen blue boots

#

THANKS

#

😭

obtuse moon
keen copper
#

forsure 1.3 is better than 0

short rapids
#

gambling during acts is a noob trap unless you're absolutely desperate

#

you're better off just checking the vendors

keen copper
#

as I stated I had terrible seeds and got no movespeed boots and it was awful

#

I did 4 ssf runs this week it was fine

#

just not great seeds like I said

obtuse moon
#

i think i gambled once because i got hardstuck on jamanra and needed a better spear and the vendor drops were all slop

pastel bluff
#

i would tf out of gear in campaign but i was really struggling. i dont think it was really worth it

#

like i run out of money for respecs the other day as a mid-end game characters doing red maps

obtuse moon
#

i ended up getting one that nearly tripled my damage bc i had been using some random act 1 drop til that point

short rapids
#

I ran A TON of new characters this league probably more than most people besides speedrunners and from my experience, vendors and actually using your currency more often than not results in a good a wep that will carry you for awhile

#

Never crafted on armor besides maybe chest

pastel bluff
#

probably not worth it. gold was surprisingly valuable to me as i like to respec to test stuff, change gear means i have to change some passive nodes too, and stats

#

very stat hungry build as i need full strength and full dex for my stuff

short rapids
#

and picking up socket gear to salvage is very important

#

because like GGG intended sockets fix mos tof your issues

keen copper
#

regal shards YAYYYY....

gritty bison
#

there are so few people

short rapids
#

How jonathan feels after triple tap nerfing LS

dense agate
keen copper
#

Dont worry guys, were all gonna love getting heavy stunned after sprinting

#

it will be FINE

#

its totally gonna go over well

#

my prediction on the heavy stun after sprinting, it will be fixed within a week watch

dense agate
#

just dont sprint near enemies

lyric mortar
#

back to main menu if u getting hit while sprinting

#

sorry, i mean back to queue

dense agate
#

there's a ton of open areas without enemies to sprint

#

just dont be dumb lol

lyric mortar
dense agate
#

my condolences

short rapids
#

heres the rundown of how this will play out
GGG: Sprint added, DO NOT run near enemies or you will be heavy stunned and die
Dumbass players: Bro I ran everywhere and got stunned a ton this mechanic is SHIT
GGG: ...

vale ibex
#

poe2 motto is "for every action there is a reaction"

#

and the reaction is not a beneficial one

rough dagger
#

I am very curious on on the little things around the mechanic that would make it feel good... I assume you can't attack while sprinting, so that breaks it... Then there is the holding the button issue

#

If it's holding, it could get annoying, so I hope it toggles somehow and you can break it by attacking or something

vale nest
#

the sprint stun is dumb as fuck. they are treating it like rhoa mount

rough dagger
#

You should get punished for trying to perma sprint around monsters

#

It shouldn't be 1 hit tho, I think

vale nest
rough dagger
#

Like a cool down on the sprint? So if you break it, you can't sprint again for like 6 seconds?

sly gorge
#

sprint should just go on cooldown if you get hit while using it

sly gorge
#

that plus a brief flinch should be enough

rough dagger
#

I guess that could work as well, D4's horse had someting like that, right?

#

If you get knocked off it, you get a higher CD to remount?

vale nest
#

im just really not a fan of this tradeoffs the game they are treating poe2 like right now.

sly gorge
#

there's no logical reason why my fully armoured warrior should be susceptible to getting knocked down because they are running full speed at the enemy

#

makes less than zero sense

#

that momentum should make them harder to knock down if anything

rough dagger
#

Uhhhh, I don't think that makes sense?

#

Like, I am sure if you are moving slowly and braced, you are harder to knock down

#

if you are sprinting, making you tumble is... easier

short rapids
sly gorge
#

if I'm sprinting at an enemy and they hit me, I'm exerting force against their attack

rough dagger
#

What if they attack you not from the front?

#

the force is not against the attack anymore

#

Anyway, this is a stupid discussion

#

physics doesn't matter

vale nest
#

if i hit someone at mach fuck and they tickle me? i shouldnt be the one being stunned

sly gorge
#

They should make it so wearing armour gear means you don't get knocked down lol

gritty bison
#

do you have any idea about totem?i feel it will become annoying to use

sly gorge
#

you get 3 end charges from heavy stunning a boss with one of the new/updated supports, probably other ways as well

#

magma barrier basically makes them passively now if you use any shield raising skills

#

I wonder if they will nerf the nebuloch shield charge tech

vale nest
sly gorge
#

Tickleback, my Nickelback tribute band that is banned from performing in 823 venues

vale nest
#

XD

pearl sequoia
#

I just saw poe2db . tw, it say "removes campaign replays per character" does this mean we don't have to replay the campaign for Alt right ?

rough dagger
#

No, it means that Cruel is being removed

#

So you're not replaying 1-2-3 twice

#

most likely

valid stratus
#

Considering that it's assumedly machine-translated from French, some nuance might've been lost.

rough dagger
#

obligatory since it is not official yet

vale nest
rough dagger
valid stratus
keen copper
#

CAUGHT

pearl sequoia
#

so which mean when we finish act 4, there will be a "interlude" right ?

#

I hope we can skip the replay Act 1, 2, 3. It's really exhausting

rough dagger
pearl sequoia
#

awesome, hope the leak is true

rough dagger
#

according to unconfirmed but pretty much confirmed, very likely leaks

gritty bison
#

why is no one talking anymore?are there so few players in this game?

inner wedge
#

Who's gonna tell him Aware

rough dagger
#

innocent players that don't look at leaks

#

tbh, that bingo card isn't that bad

inner wedge
rough dagger
#

Well, the right column might land him a bingo, no?

#

middle too

inner wedge
sand brook
#

I hope they also made it that we can open the gem craft tab without having uncut gem as well and also can craft a gem regardless of if we have the req satisfy or not

sly crypt
#

do we have info on what interludes are?

tribal vortex
rough dagger
#

Act is 15 levels? That seems a bit... big

#

interludes only 5 levels?

inner wedge
#

Oh this definetly will be meta KEKW

queen musk
#

it means now its gonna be nerfed

inner wedge
queen musk
#

i also pray the support gems are only boss farmable

pastel bluff
# tribal vortex

ok so what i am thinking. act 4 has a bunch of islands, right? you can and are only supposed to only do a specific few in the main game, to fit acts 5 and 6. what do you think?

inner wedge
#

They can drop from just killing monsters

pastel bluff
#

probably put some more campaign into the mapping, 65 felt pretty early for it, i only was atleast 70 starting mapping in poe1

sly crypt
quiet glen
#

most likely they are boss only

tribal vortex
#

End of Cruel Act 2 is 57. Act 4 is much larger than 2 Acts.

sly crypt
#

nvm found it

inner wedge
inner wedge
keen copper
#

well well well

#

look who it is

inner wedge
#

reading UHM

quiet glen
#

read again what i wrote UHM

inner wedge
quiet glen
#

we dont know if they are boss only or not dummy

#

they are most likely boss only

#

the ones we saw were indeed boss only, as the leak stated

inner wedge
short rapids
#

legion gems? leak said global and boss only. possibly also league specific as well

#

like tota as people suspect is coming

sand brook
#

leak only said drop only

#

they are like awakened gems & gems like inspiration

somber shoal
#

hi

#

is poe2db real why did it said no new class

short rapids
#

because from what leaks we have most likely there is no class

#

Jonathan also said in interviews they need to focus on the current content and refine it so

winged geyser
#

But then 5 will be small pipi

snow heart
#

my understanding is that act 5 will be normal-sized but act 6 will be small, like diablo 2 act 4

short rapids
#

Not a could be. even the exilecon presentation said so

short rapids
inner wedge
elfin jasper
#

okay, just to summerize what has been revealed so far:

  • no druid, some other class might come out, might not
  • act 4 comes out which is 100 new monster types, 16 new areas and 12 new bosses
  • after act 4 you do 3 interludes which are 6-7 zones in acts 1-3, then endgame, no cruel difficulty
  • we can now sprint like in Elden Ring, any class just holds down a button and run forward, no stamina, but if you get hit you get heavy stunned
  • all support gems are now available from the start, they have 3 tiers, each next tier is the same support gem, but stronger
  • in the endgame we are getting lineage support gems which are basically very powerful unique support gems, you loot them the way you do unique items and they can for example invert enemy elemental resistances, increase the gem quality etc.
  • you can use the same support in different skill gems multiple times, except unique supports
  • bow now has more ice skills
  • crossbow skills are now way stronger and smoother, less movement penalty
  • banner skills are stronger
  • new defence layer called deflect has 40% damage reduction, dexterity builds can increase the chance to deflect up to 100%, works against all hits on top of evasion
  • blocks and parries now work against all hits, not just single target hits
  • mace skills are now way stronger
  • thanks to explicit rare item mods and passive tree changes a percentage of armour can now be applied to elemental damage and you can stack this mod/passive to get tons of damage reduction
  • huge minion and spectre buffs
  • new skill called reap, applies critical weakness and culls, looks like a cool red scythe slash
  • blood mage now doesn't have to take the passive that adds life cost to the mana cost of the skills
  • infernalist can now keep her weapons while in the demon form
  • quarterstaff/monk is getting buffed both damage and survivability wise
inner wedge
#

Get down mr president

gilded sonnet
#

Just at a glance, might be more stuff

#

Blood Mage still has to take the passive, it's just free

gilded sonnet
#

This is what the Support Gem Gemcutting UI looks like, there are still tiers and supports are still split across them, there are just now more tiers.

acoustic wadi
#

whats the fastest leveling class/build

#

with what we know now, and with leaks

elfin jasper
gilded sonnet
somber shoal
#

i see new gems icons too? or i am forgetting

acoustic wadi
#

we'll get more clarity later today i guess

acoustic wadi
#

whats the fastest leveling class/build right now in the current game?

gilded sonnet
#

For Acts 1-3, people tend to recommend Rake/Stomping Ground, but I imagine that will be adjusted

elfin jasper
#

whichever class offers easier access to strength on the passive tree

gilded sonnet
#

Probably by pushing Stomping Ground to be a higher tier support at least

elfin jasper
#

like merc/warrior/maybe ranger

somber shoal
#

i want more hazard skills

#

or hazard based spectre

#

would be funny

quiet glen
#

every spectre is a hazard

#

also say goodbye to alva in your hideout, we will prolly get faustus back

gilded sonnet
#

Not necessarily, who knows which characters are still around in Kingsmarch after 20 years

quiet glen
#

20 years isnt long enough for them to die

#

also didnt we see rog before

gilded sonnet
winged geyser
#

Get rekt

gilded sonnet
#

We saw Rog, Tujen, Dannig, Makoru and a Preacher in the Act 4 gameplay from Exilecon 2023

quiet glen
quiet glen
winged geyser
#

Yesss

#

Finaly

mortal panther
#

is there a link that shows all the things the french streamer leaked?

gilded sonnet
quiet glen
#

there are pdfs in this channel, use the search functiom

winged geyser
#

Holy hype stream today

#

Better be a new class

#

Or ascends

quiet glen
#

marooder

indigo bear
#

no droid

mortal panther
winged geyser
quiet glen
#

there are, in fact, pdfs of the websites in this channel

inner wedge
#

marauder would be dope this early, but given the fact that act 4 is Karui themed, it would fit

acoustic wadi
#

if multiple copies of support gems can now be used regularly, how has the gemling legionnaire been changed?

#

i mean, was that also leaked, how it was changed?

inner wedge
#

But given the fact, that Huntress and Druid were the almost finished classes, I can kinda see the dissapointment wave coming trolldespair

indigo bear
#

u wont hear the end of no druid comments

gilded sonnet
#

People will take issue with just about anything, including Swords not being present, so it hardly matters

acoustic wadi
#

the game already has plenty, most people havent even played more than 1-2 classes

inner wedge
#

Marauder would still be cool tho

#

the true melee class ScuffOkBuddy

acoustic wadi
#

ive played monk and huntress only, will be doing mercenary next

sand brook
short rapids
#

uhh i've played everything but sorc. Merc is probably my favorite

somber shoal
#

played all but sorc monk huntress i think

opaque shale
#

have a nice day everyone santachaos

vocal eagle
reef jewel
#

Please ggg just release the drood

wispy hull
reef jewel
#

Alright I'll just come back next year

inner wedge
#

let the leeks cook

#

gimme more leeks

wispy hull
reef jewel
#

Nah I got better things to do than sink another 1k hours into an unfinished game

stoic urchin
ornate hemlock
#

Just woke up... any new major leaks in the last 6 hours? 😆

stoic urchin
#

There's also a very high chance we get no new class

stoic urchin
#

Especially after GGG told the french guy to stop lol

#

Now we just wait 13 hours

stoic urchin
#

Can anyone hit the skip button on the next 13 hours?

stoic urchin
#

This is gonna be the longest 13 hours in recent history for me lol

inner wedge
sand brook
#

its 1:30 AM for me

#

🥲

#

i will be sleeping by 11PM

inner wedge
#

9:30 for me jirucool

wispy hull
#

Gonna be close to midnight for me

loud walrus
#

same

#

but ill be at work

wispy hull
#

I don't mind it tho

vale nest
#

slep is for the weak

stoic urchin
#

8:30 AM here for me, it's gonna be at around 9 PM, perfectly timed

vale nest
inner wedge
inner wedge
#

go to sleep

#

wake up

#

watch vod

#

be excited for the rest of the remaining days till .3

sand brook
#

i will not be able to watch live sadly 🥲🥲

vale nest
#

dang it got me there

#

zwei youre gonna wake up without toes

stoic urchin
#

Thank GOD i have lots of errands to run today, will def make the day pass faster for me

inner wedge
inner wedge
whole nebula
#

Oooh sprint hope so ive wanted it always😁😁😁

inner wedge
ornate hemlock
#

I use M4 as dodge in poe 2... does it mean I'll need to hold M4 sometimes to "run" ?
I even use force move cause I don't like clicking to move
My muscle memory is getting rekt

#

I don't wanna change hotkey, F

broken dagger
#

dunno if i am allowed to link a leaked press release here 😄 but probably many have seen it already

gilded sonnet
#

A leak is allowed in a leak channel, yes

broken dagger
#

:>

gilded sonnet
#

But assuming it's the French one, that got posted already, yeah.

broken dagger
#

oh kk

broken dagger
#

didnt see it

austere mango
#

I like that there's a leak channel, keeps the other peeps spoiler free, and the rest a place to talk about it

dense agate
#

its good yeah

austere mango
#

Now, May I propose a Leek channel, for Leek enthusiasts?

broken dagger
#

my highlight is the sprint

austere mango
#

The leaks only covered about 40 %, So who knows what may yet come

broken dagger
#

its such a simple solution that will not bloat the combat with giga speed movement

austere mango
#

Yeah, wonder if it counts as a skill

dense agate
#

the guy would've released more but ggg responded fast

austere mango
#

Imagine putting some gems in that

broken dagger
austere mango
#

Aw, would've been funny

dense agate
#

slap in unbreakable and avoid the stun lel

#

but alas no

quiet glen
#

Im gonna take a leak on this channel

dense agate
#

leak on me daddy

#

sorry

quiet glen
loud walrus
dense agate
#

Someone remind me, can you double empower attacks from 2 different sources?

#

like warcries

#

or does that not work

#

im just curious what happens if you put premeditation in 2 different empower sources

#

sorry poe 2 uses empower as the word, not exert

restive hawk
#

any confirmation on new class

dense agate
#

no

#

but its leaning towards no for now

winged geyser
#

No class

restive hawk
#

fuuuuuuuck VAAAAAAAAAAAAAAL

winged geyser
#

Yea games cooked

dense agate
#

im actually pretty surprised considering the info we were given was that druid was close to release for 0.2

#

lmao

#

like tf

#

im still super excited even with the small info that's been leaked

inner wedge
restive hawk
#

to be honest with you i am ok withno extra class if they vamp up the game alot

dense agate
#

warbringer looks cracked now, but kaom mode doesnt synergize a ton with it

#

and I want to do that

#

WAIT A MINUTE

winged geyser
#

Kaom what?

dense agate
#

ancestral cry

obtuse moon
winged geyser
#

Ohhh?

#

What is volcanic erupt

dense agate
#

its like the support gem

#

its basically poe 1 molten strike

winged geyser
#

Just the ballz of fire explodimg?

dense agate
#

ye

#

also when strikes are ancestrally boosted you basically get poe 1 ancestral call

obtuse moon
#

p much but imo the meat of it is the ancestral boosting on all strikes and slams

#

thats like a net 20% more aoe 30% more damage isnt it

dense agate
#

for slams yeah

#

i dont think strikes gain any extra damage

#

just the extra target

obtuse moon
#

still works well imo

#

or well

dense agate
#

also the last line is interesting

obtuse moon
#

will work well

winged geyser
#

I jusy hope more of warriors skills are useful

dense agate
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seems like it forces a full fire conversion

winged geyser
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Instead of just leapslam boneshatter

blazing violet
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Wait isn't ancestral call super cracked?

dense agate
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yes

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if they rework unarmed im gonna be so happy

blazing violet
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Im so hyped for the stream holy

dense agate
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the thing I like about ancestral cry is that the actual warcry doesnt count power

winged geyser
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If they add anything to unarmed lol

dense agate
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you can just build it up and then keep it in your back pocket

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well monk is likely getting martial artist

austere mango
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Maybe we get that pugilist type monk finally

dense agate
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also the unarmed unique that was promised

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facebreaker here we come

obtuse moon
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depending on how the volcanic steps portion scales with dmg modifiers and aoe modifiers i wonder if we're gonna have setups that just make you a walking ball of death obliterating screens by walking around

austere mango
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God O hope for 1200% corrupted facebreaker

austere mango
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That sounds like rf with extra... steps

obtuse moon
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welcome back righteous fire

austere mango
blazing violet
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Ye it really depends on how many ignites you need / oh much glory you get for each

austere mango
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Theres already that unique charm for rf type gameplay tbf

austere mango
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Yeah deals like 200% of your life as ignite damage to nearby enemies when ignited

dense agate
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beira's anguish yeah

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was massively nerfed though

obtuse moon
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how do you go about getting ignited on command though

blazing violet
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Does it count as igniting them 🤔

austere mango
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You can combine it with that chest that gives infinite charm charges

obtuse moon
austere mango
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Technically a reflect build

dense agate
austere mango
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Wanted to try this on smith sometimes

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Oh yeah

obtuse moon
austere mango
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Crit ignite

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Infernalist pogging

blazing violet
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Oh yeah isn't smith a good option for the ancestral cry 🤔

dense agate
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perfect strike has big aoe now too

winged geyser
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Perfect strike was already crazy

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Huhhh did they nerf the dmg?

dense agate
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thats level 5 and the normal strike

gilded sonnet
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No, it's not showing the Perfect Strike tab

winged geyser
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Ik

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So no nerf and just free aoe

obtuse moon
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i hope ancestral cry gets to play into absolutely disgusting boss strats for warrior it looks so auraful

winged geyser
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Pretty cool

loud walrus
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I thought id be done with shield charge after 0.2

dense agate
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its the same

winged geyser
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Warrior dmg was already insane

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Its cooked now

gilded sonnet
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People will still complain since it takes more than a millisecond to do an attack, if I had to guess

dense agate
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also the new endurance charge support gem fits PERFECTLY with Perfect Strike

winged geyser
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I hate warrior playstyle but maybe if the molten ballz skills is reworked better

dense agate
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build endurance charges and also ignites with PS and then use Ancestral Cry

gilded sonnet
winged geyser
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Thats cool

obtuse moon
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the only thing that confuses me is enduring cry bc isnt 37 guard per 5 power like, really really shallow. when are you taking less than double digit dmg

gilded sonnet
dense agate
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tharts low level

obtuse moon
dense agate
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thats pretty low

winged geyser
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Enduring cry gives guard now?

obtuse moon
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still low but like hows that scale

obtuse moon
winged geyser
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What the

dense agate
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skills dont scale linearly