2┃leaks

[formal sky]

sexmas best trial but I may be a little biased (also I think the name is funny)

[ivory dirge]

what could this mean? if you beat the campaign with one character, an alt can skip it in that season?

[hazy quarry]

no

I assume shaky translation

[rough dagger]

No, no more cruel

that's it

[hazy quarry]

it means no more cruel

[pulsar sedge]

You no longer do it twice on one character. 1-3 +1-3 cruel

[magic gale]

rejoice

[rough dagger]

so you don't have to replay 1-2-3 1-2-3

[hazy quarry]

now its 1-4 and then the three short interludes

[ivory dirge]

yay no more act 3 twice

[magic gale]

I'm not sure how enjoyable the interludes will be, but I am confident in saying they will be 184% better than Cruel.

[hazy quarry]

Act 4 is supposedly a tad long, but the interludes are short.

[ivory dirge]

even if it's literally just maps im cool with that

[hazy quarry]

Act 6 later is also supposedly shorter

so it fits

[rough dagger]

The 3 interludes look interesting tbh, they look more than just random zones put in to fill the gap, like they have ties to the main lore

[ivory dirge]

wtf we're getting sprint

[magic gale]

Yeah, but a bit of lore too

And it'll likely be canon, as most things are.

So that's fun

[ivory dirge]

wait wtf

[rough dagger]

I wonder how exactly they will be integrated when acts 5 and 6 come

[hazy quarry]

From what the leak seemed to indicate the lore there is temporary

[ivory dirge]

use multiple copies of same support gem

is that going to break the game

[magic gale]

temporary stories, but the lore itself shouldn't be "fake" in that sense.

[hazy quarry]

If that were the case gemling would have already broken it

[young kettle]

Who knows. I think that's why we aren't getting a new class. So much to test. This opens the flood gates to be honest

[hazy quarry]

Also its across skills you cant slap the same support twice in one skill

[frosty eagle]

Or the helmet

[magic gale]

well it's how POE1 has been since forever. So big change, but GGG knows how to balance around that (lack) of restriction.

[formal sky]

gestures vaguely at 0.1

[hazy quarry]

I mean yeah

[pulsar sedge]

I'd assume they wouldn't be, they'd get used exclusively in endgame

[hazy quarry]

But gemling in 0.1 was mostly busted because of stat stacking

which they nuked

[rough dagger]

Well, that raises even more questions

[hazy quarry]

Yeah the leak said that the bosses and zone will become endgame only zones after they add in act 5 and 6.

[ivory dirge]

so confirmed no new class?

sad but it looks like the game is completely different

[pulsar sedge]

Not confirmed, but extremely unlikely

[hazy quarry]

According to the leak it seems pretty much certain that we get no new class.

[rough dagger]

This also means GGG no longer has to pump out 2 million support gems every time they introduce a new skill/weapon/class to support it

[pulsar sedge]

I thought the leak just said no druid. There was enough ambiguity iirc.

[rough dagger]

With how broad the changes are, it's safe to assume no new class tbh, if this is just 40%

[gritty bison]

Wait a minute, I want to ask if it costs 3 Endurance Balls to cast an Ancestral Totem? Endurance Balls are too hard to get

[hazy quarry]

I mean yeah but its highly likely that they would have mentioned addtion of any other class because it would have been a headline feature

[rough dagger]

Endurance Balls, Balls sounds better than Charges

[ornate hemlock]

Not having to repeat campaign 2 times will make my playtime to the roof... I'm concerned about my health 👀

[ivory dirge]

support gems being tiered - does that mean like each one will get I/II/III upgraded versions or just that tier 3 unlocked support gems will tend to be stronger than tier 1

[pulsar sedge]

Hey now, I'm allowed to drop tiny bits of hope for tomorrow to blow our socks off with new stuff. 😛

[pulsar sedge]

The screenshot we saw implies only some get teirs

[formal sky]

yes; I/II/III and III appears to have added benefit

[rough dagger]

I doubt it will be each, likely some for now, maybe more later

[ivory dirge]

that's nuts

[hazy quarry]

yeah we now have 5 tiers of support gems overall which is great

[rough dagger]

We do?

[ivory dirge]

really surprised they caved on the one support gem thing

[hazy quarry]

The screenshot literally showed that yes

[magic gale]

https://tenor.com/view/dave-chappelle-five-self-counting-hand-gif-12395671

[rough dagger]

I thought it's still 1/2/3, but some have both 1 and 2, maybe 3

[pulsar sedge]

There was 5 tiers in that brutality screenshot yeah

[rough dagger]

like Scattershot I, Scattershot II

Oh wow

That's... Interesting

[pulsar sedge]

The implication being that a t5 support uncut was needed to get a brutality 3

[ivory dirge]

oh god

the gamba

[rough dagger]

I guess that makes support progression a bit smoother?

Instead of waiting so long to get T2

you get it sooner

[hazy quarry]

yeah keep in mind gem tier and skill tier are not equivalent

[ivory dirge]

as long as it's not a super rare drop

[magic gale]

It also mens they can allow much more selection of support mechanics at lower levels

[hazy quarry]

so we have two axis in there now

[pulsar sedge]

Depends on if it actually is up and down extended, or just upwards

[frosty eagle]

Hopefully support gem drops are increased

[magic gale]

I wonder if we see a flattening of the skill level requirements too?

Not for the level of a specific skill, but not as many level breakpoints just to unlock a skill

[rough dagger]

The support gem system alone is an insane shakeup, I wonder if they actually went through everything to make sure nothing's broken

[hazy quarry]

Might just be me but I am not seeing the issue there. I found that skill and gear requirements higher in 0.2 was manageable

[twin dawn]

i spoke to jonathan he said he played every combination personally

[magic gale]

no wonder he's not replying to my messages

[rough dagger]

Manageable, sure, but still very very annoying, in most cases, more often than not, if you want to grab a gem from an adjacent archetype, you couldn't do it at your level

[magic gale]

I'm sure that's it

[rough dagger]

At least let us get lower level gems

[young kettle]

I can see the argument on both sides. It does truly open up a lot more build variety. 1 each was way too restrctive. Curious if lesser Jeweler's Orbs will drop more frequently. I was irked that you only got one Early in Act 3.

[naive furnace]

Brehs.... What do I roll first?

[rough dagger]

Wait for tomorrow

We still don't know even half of the changes

[formal sky]

ranger

[twin dawn]

you're too powerful hes just intimidated im sure

[magic gale]

and then wait 9 more days 🥲

[hazy quarry]

I am still torn between Ranger, Merc and Witch

[rough dagger]

8 days of prepping and planning, I am moving the day of the patch

[hazy quarry]

I loved witch so much in 0.1 and the leaks indicate they buffed specters and minions

[pulsar sedge]

Nah, we get patchnotes tomorrow, so we spend 9 days making MS paint builds

[magic gale]

sounds like poor life planning.

[hazy quarry]

I make my builds in open office calc sheets :p

[rough dagger]

GGG didn't tell me 5 months ago for me to plan my lease

[magic gale]

okay I guess that's reasonable

[hazy quarry]

Also in regards to molten blast No longer forces forward movement seems I am not the only one irked by induced movement

[fleet rain]

molten blast movement was particularly bad

or good but very silly if you had high attack speed

and could move with it

[ivory dirge]

true, but it probably means that everyone will flock to the same good ones

[magic gale]

https://poe2db.tw/Abyss

Have we gotten confirmed info on Abyss as a league mechanic or is @tribal vortex just prepping based on his guess?

[formal sky]

prepping

[pulsar sedge]

We've gotten nothing, but that isn't to say there isn't abyss related data in the game files currently

[twin dawn]

do we know the changes to gemling legionaire is going to be yet?

[magic gale]

The druid ascendences were in the game files too

[paper glade]

this is true?

[calm widget]

Not necessarily I think it just opens up builds. It's not a problem in POE1 you just add what makes the most sense to your build on each skill. Now we'll finally be able to scale bleed and poison builds with the supports and not have to choose between limp supports that offer mostly utility or damage supports that miss out on said still important utility.
I have a poison build I've been messing with in POB that would benefit immensely from this change for example. It's an amazing time to make this change as well we're still in EA and now is the time to test this fundamental change in philosophy. It's what I'm most excited about with the patch tbh.

[pulsar sedge]

Yes, which is why acting on datamined info alone is usually a bad thing. 😛

[naive furnace]

Druid bros..... Which Bear cosmetic are we rocking?

[rough dagger]

Yes, but depends on your interpretation, the first one is him reporting on other speculation

[paper glade]

i always loved stone

[formal sky]

give me a car camo druid skin for the number of times it's been pushed back and I might actually buy mtx besides stash slots xD

[obtuse moon]

doesnt matter uncle ben

warrior is better than all of em

[magic gale]

"graphical fidelity has been downgraded to 2012 levels to ensure all players can run at 100 fps. Do not complain about this."

[formal sky]

ranger > silly other classes

[hazy quarry]

Warrior could nuke the planet from orbit and it still would not be enticing for me. If I play melee it will be templar or shadow

[ivory dirge]

0.1 hotg

[obtuse moon]

more for meee

[hazy quarry]

Hey if you have fun with warrior more power to you 🙂

[stoic urchin]

if you think about it, if we hadn't stopped the french journalist guy for questions he could probably have finished leaking the monk info

[obtuse moon]

i wont dispute ranger is strong its just also horrifically boring

to me

[ivory dirge]

one of the pins talks about marauder?

[formal sky]

only if you're some kind of meta slave

[stoic urchin]

leaker with official info basically said no new classes

[formal sky]

scion confirmed, LOGIN (FOR LEGAL REASONS THIS IS ||a joke||)

[ivory dirge]

but new ascendancies?

[stoic urchin]

one POSSIBILITY could be that GGG is saving the new class info for tomorrow

[stoic urchin]

basically for sure yeah, only 4 left anyway

but nothing has been yet confirmed

[ivory dirge]

a new class would take me from here to over the moon

[magic gale]

really really doubt this. If it was a content creator event, I'd buy it. But not for a press event.

Also the leaker said Jonathan positively stated no Druid.

[stoic urchin]

yeah i am just throwing in a last cannister of copium really

[rough dagger]

I am not ruling out a new class, but if the leaker said that all of that is just 40% without even knowing about a new class... That seems unrealistic

[magic gale]

So it's not like it was just missing

[stoic urchin]

he said people were way off in predicting the next class

[ivory dirge]

jonathan prob kicking himself saying druid was almost ready forever ago

[magic gale]

yeah my guess is it's the endgame + league stuff he's referring to there.

[hazy quarry]

That does not pan out. The leak was from press previews, so them not telling the press about a new class is pretty much not making any sense I am afraid

[stoic urchin]

which opens up the idea of maybe another class INSTEAD of druid

[rough dagger]

Yeah + remaining class balance, and possibly the new ascendancies

[calm widget]

40% referred to how many articles he wrote not how much information h was presented. He attended the full presentation he just got shut down before he could pump out the articles

[formal sky]

watch them purposely slow roll it and then say at the end "oh we heard you wanted another class or you'd be disappointed"

crowd goes mild

"so here's swords and Duelist to tide you over. Sorry Druid enthusiasts"

[magic gale]

his greatest strength and weakness is that he's far more transparent than most game directors.

[keen copper]

Duelist is swords

[rough dagger]

In all the messages he sent on Discord, he would've mentioned a new class

[keen copper]

no chance we get that

[stoic urchin]

he has gone through the whole thing and was just working on releasing separate articles for individual changes, we asked him avbout the info and he confirmed that there was nothing tied to new class

[formal sky]

please read the last line of my joke again

[keen copper]

I read your joke and im just say theres no chance we get it LOL

[calm widget]

Yeah I agree with you buddy I don't think there's a hidden new class I think we're getting the massive reworks something about trade and potentially new ascendancies

[rough dagger]

Yeah, a new class would've been a main headline alongside act 4

[stoic urchin]

he pretty much confirmed there was nothing new-class related in the leaks

[hazy quarry]

plus endgame stuff and a league mechanic

[ivory dirge]

i mean that's probably still meaty right, if they're reworking everything + a bunch of new content it's essentially a new sandbox

actually it 100% is

[stoic urchin]

if we get new skills for the remaining classes like we got for warrior in the leaks then i am totally fine with it

[calm widget]

plot twist though since they're no longer feature locking they're only releasing things when they're ready how do you all feel about a 0.3.2 in a month with a new class that is just finished 😄

[stoic urchin]

i want new toys to play with

[ivory dirge]

you can play with your old toys but more of them and in new rooms

[keen copper]

By December not having a new class for 8 full months will be a major issue. They can make all the content they want but if they lack new skills and classes they will not keep player retention

[stoic urchin]

i really dont think a mid league patch is coming with a new class honestly

[hazy quarry]

I doubt they will introduce a new class mid league

[rough dagger]

I think almost every class is at least getting new major support

[magic gale]

did leaker mention a number for new supports besides the Lineage stuff?

[calm widget]

then 0.4 is going to be a very thicc patch my friend right in time for xmas

[magic gale]

Or any new skills for existing weapons

[stoic urchin]

besides reworked support? nope

[rough dagger]

Well, I was mostly referring to the lineage supports, and maybe the tiered supports that could make existing ones much better

[stoic urchin]

yes, warrior skills atm

[magic gale]

He didn't mention uniques either, but we know some will come

So lots we don't know yet

[stoic urchin]

there's thor's hammer, a big fiery transformation, and a new shielding cry

[rough dagger]

Also, the new act of course means new base types

[stoic urchin]

all 3 are new skills

[keen copper]

I justh hope theres good uniques

because most of them are unuseable

[stoic urchin]

plus a new staff type for caster lovers

[keen copper]

good chase uniques or lots more

quality over quantity

[stoic urchin]

you get to actually cosplay as a reaper now when playing minions with an actual reap skill

[magic gale]

Anybody got the screenshot for Reap?

[sly gorge]

new volc fissure looks workable as well

[stoic urchin]

sec

[sly gorge]

can maybe clear with it now without gutting its aps due to upheaval

[calm widget]

the new drop only gems are going to be super chase and some of them are going to be worth 100s of divines even if they don't add new or rework uniques which is super unlikely I'm super happy with these it makes farming bosses actually worth it again

[sly gorge]

basically poe 2 equiv of awakened gems

the one that is empower, enhance and enlighten all together is funny

[keen copper]

one of them is enhance + empower together

[calm widget]

already leveled up and corrupted to+1 level 😄

[keen copper]

its gonna be giga expensive

[calm widget]

that one is so wild dude

[stoic urchin]

new warrior skills

and lots of changes for existing skills

some are pretty wild like ancestral totem, ill let you read it for yourself

[keen copper]

I hope fissure isnt super clunky and slow. I love it in poe1, its one of my fav skills ever

ill definitely be playing it if its solid

[stoic urchin]

major changes to ascendancies including fusing some 4 point ascendancies into 2 point

[calm widget]

it's safe to assume they've done a full skill pass and updated every single one where it was needed and added new ones to fill gaps and open up builds too

[keen copper]

lets hope

lightning spear league was boring as fuck

[calm widget]

so I have some bad news warrior brother I don't think we escape the "vision" this patch

[keen copper]

sadge

[calm widget]

+attack time is alive and well on the skills

[shut ferry]

warriors eating good

yall getting exploding totems

[keen copper]

I guess ill just play sunder totems again

since warbringer got buffed it looks like

[shut ferry]

no you'll play exploding sunder totems

[stoic urchin]

some additions that sound really funny, like a new totem skill for mercenary, called mortar cannon, where you can socket grenade skills into it

[calm widget]

totem builds are going to be super viable at least they look really good for warriors

[night elbow]

May I ask who has the relevant content pictures of the 0.3 version content?

[shut ferry]

another totem skill for the win

and yes

you can

[keen copper]

wait what mortar cannon LULLLLL

that sounds funny

[calm widget]

you can scroll up or search for images in this channel and you'll get everything

[keen copper]

I hope we get ballistas at some point

[rough dagger]

At this point, those should be pinned

[shut ferry]

its exactly what I think its gonna be

[stoic urchin]

there are more but these are the ones i saved

[keen copper]

my fav is power siphon ballista

cant wait for spell totems

[restive hawk]

what are new ascendancy

[shut ferry]

https://tenor.com/view/mortar-gif-8801839341276303342

not shown yet

[stoic urchin]

keep in mind sunder is getting reworked, it no longer removes armour break to crit, instead applies a 20% extra phys dmg increase on top of fully broken armour

[calm widget]

and keep in mind you can fully support that bad boy with all the good damage supports now too

I think crit is gonna be nerfed into the ground they changed snipe as well to no longer crit it's consume freeze or heavy stun now sadge

[shut ferry]

so it explode really good

[night elbow]

ty,my bro

[shut ferry]

there shouldn't be single thought in head other than

how large can I make totem explode aoe

and how do I make it die quickly

so it can explode

[stoic urchin]

yeah they removed the crit clause so i am pretty sure that is gone

[calm widget]

I'd also look at how many more big explodey totems can I summon at the same time

[stoic urchin]

also keep in mind that we dont know if the condition to exploding the totems is tied to their duration ending or if we have to actually get them killed

[magic gale]

no come back in December

[calm widget]

that's our xmas present

[naive furnace]

I will hold onto hope

[rough dagger]

The bear looks so finished Just release it and make it only able to roll

[shut ferry]

oh yes the important part

totem limits

[gritty bison]

3 Endurance Balls for only one Ancestral Totem?Am I misunderstood?

[shut ferry]

cause ancestral bond as you know fucking sucks for totems

[shut ferry]

you did not

[calm widget]

don't you just love it 😄 this is what makes the game so much fun for me all the possibilities for all these builds and interactions finally opened up

[wispy mortar]

Ancestral Warrior is now stronger, but requires 3 charges to be consumed

No idea how good it may be

[magic gale]

balls

[calm widget]

you can get endurance charges pretty easily with armor break and poison kek

[stoic urchin]

no lol i think it will really suck if we have to get the totems killed, currently the only reliable way to do so is the warbringer's 2nd totem ascendancy that transfers 20% of dmg taken to the closest totem

[wispy mortar]

I just don't get the new sprint mechanic. They went all that way to remove quicksilver flasks just to put them back in the game in a different form LMAO.

[stoic urchin]

coupled with a way to self harm consistently and maybe recoup

[calm widget]

ms paint builds are already starting

[shut ferry]

aoe endurance charge generation totem limit how do I make the totems die fast enough are all the questions im asking

[stoic urchin]

if you get hit you are heavy stunned

[shut ferry]

oh and how much of explode is physical

[calm widget]

I think you can lower HP of minions not sure about totems maybe there will be ways it's too early to tell. You might be right and it ends up being a dud

[shut ferry]

is it like 5% or 10% of max hp

[magic gale]

some design ideas work great, others not as well as you hope. This sounds like a decent way to re-incorporate that mechanic while keeping with the design flavor and structure we have in POE2.

[stoic urchin]

if you lower it it unfortunately also decreases the explosion damage

[shut ferry]

problem with that is less hp means less totem kaboom dmg

you already said it nvm

[stoic urchin]

something nice would be akin to infernal legion but for totems

[calm widget]

yeah I was thinking that

[stoic urchin]

or a physical/attack version of the extraction support

[calm widget]

put them on a death timer

maybe that will work on totems or you can add volatility to them and they get blown up by chaos damage

[night elbow]

@stoic urchinNo news about monk?

[stoic urchin]

because extraction actually kills your dark effigy totem

[magic gale]

leaks got yanked just before the Monk article

[wispy mortar]

I was hoping so much for a proper buff to Magma Barrier, but despite the "buff" it now has a 8 seconds cooldown which basically destroys any potential as a main skill

[stoic urchin]

guy leaking the info had to pull out before he was about to leak monk

[formal sky]

...phrasing?

[calm widget]

extraction is a good shout

[night elbow]

Okay, I know what's going on

[stoic urchin]

sadly only works with spell totems

which things like shockwave totem arent

[shut ferry]

@night elbow should be a datamined article in here

[stoic urchin]

would be nice if we got an attack version

[shut ferry]

probably not translated tho

[stoic urchin]

no we didnt get monk info

[calm widget]

right noooooooooooooow however I do remember them saying they'd look at that too

[shut ferry]

wow

[calm widget]

so there is hope

[stoic urchin]

leaks were stopped by GGG before we got to monk

[ornate hemlock]

So, what exactly are we getting after act 4 and between end game? I got lost

[stoic urchin]

new zones called preludes

[shut ferry]

intermission

[hardy vale]

seems like some kind of epilogue

[formal sky]

interlogs

[ornate hemlock]

lmao

[stoic urchin]

its basically Act 1-2-3 themed zones but with new content

[ornate hemlock]

prelude, intermission, epilogue or interlogs

gotcha

[stoic urchin]

you will go back to ogham, the vastiri, and doriyani

[formal sky]

preinterepiludemissionloguelogs

[stoic urchin]

just think fo it as new maps with old flavour and new content

new bosses

new monsters probably and such

[shut ferry]

think of it of pre game halo 3 lobby

[ornate hemlock]

good enough

[hazy quarry]

They are called interludes

[magic gale]

It sounds a bit like Acts 6-9 in POE 1 actually

sorry wrong reply

[hazy quarry]

basically shorter acts

[calm widget]

it will most likely be an hour each or something to get your cruel buff and XP to hit min req for maps

[magic gale]

Yeah asset reuse, but with a new story and bosses

[naive furnace]

hits B right before the load screen starts in the private lobby

[formal sky]

the interludes get you from lvl 60 to 65 for maps

[stoic urchin]

new unique zones too!!

[hazy quarry]

Yep one is clearfell themed, the other is act 2 themed and the third is act 3 themed

[tribal vortex]

prepping

[hazy quarry]

new zones mind you but based on the existing ones

[magic gale]

it's also modular, so you could theoretically drop two of them if Act 5 comes in December.

[hazy quarry]

yep

[modern elk]

any news about classes?

[magic gale]

okay, thanks. Good luck tomorrow. You will be busy. 😄

[hazy quarry]

It is almost certain that no new class is in 0.3

[modern elk]

fucking rip, hope theres a lot of love to the bad skills then

[hazy quarry]

they literally have worked on all of them

we already saw some major reworks in the stuff we saw

[modern elk]

ah ok good

[stoic urchin]

yeah we are having a major skill overhaul

we have seen new skills for merc and warrior already

really promising too

[hazy quarry]

We saw warrior ranger and merc, and all of those changes were quite substantial in their skills

[modern elk]

yeah, im cool with no class if the good builds are new

[magic gale]

major skill overhaul + less restriction of support gems

[hazy quarry]

Evasion based builds get a whole new defensive layer

[stoic urchin]

baby dont hurt me

[magic gale]

armor gets elemental damage application

basically POE 2.1

[modern elk]

....what

[magic gale]

yes

[stoic urchin]

yeah new stat

[naive furnace]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uXcWxw7UHME

[hazy quarry]

yep non ES gets a lot of love

[modern elk]

surely not at the same % as armour though

[magic gale]

you have to invest into it

[stoic urchin]

%of armour is applied to elemental dmg

[modern elk]

or armour is just straight up busted

[magic gale]

Not a default stat

[hazy quarry]

its a line

[modern elk]

ahhh

[hazy quarry]

Similar to deflection

[modern elk]

ok that is cool

[stoic urchin]

if it works like the armour formula then it really isn't

[hazy quarry]

its something you invest in for EV based builds where you mitigate 40% of a hit

[stoic urchin]

big hits will demolish you if you arent elly capped

[hazy quarry]

but you have to build into it on tree and gear

[modern elk]

that has me excited then

[restive arrow]

?

[modern elk]

yeah but ur gonna be ele capped

[hazy quarry]

Deflection

[stoic urchin]

deflect

[restive arrow]

Finally can ditch most of Es

[modern elk]

do we know if existing weapons are getting new skills?

[hazy quarry]

think evasion based spell suppression

[magic gale]

Supression on steroids

[stoic urchin]

40% DR from ALL hits, can cap up to 100%, affected by enemy accuracy

[magic gale]

yes, a few shown

[modern elk]

thats hot

thx

[magic gale]

and big changes to existing skills

[stoic urchin]

literally mentioned earlier that we are getting new warrior and merc skills

xd

[modern elk]

ur right im an idiot

[stoic urchin]

and that they look very good/promising

[shut ferry]

deflection is gonna be so damn good for evasion mains

[stoic urchin]

no u arent, just a little tired

[modern elk]

a tad eepy, if i may

[stoic urchin]

take a nap buddy

[magic gale]

Big "known unknowns" atm are: endgame changes, anything league mechanic related, QoL stuff.

[stoic urchin]

i suggest everyone waits for tomorrow because we are still missing lots of puzzle pieces

[modern elk]

gotcha, thanks

i assume no new ascendancies too?

sounds fine with what u guys said but figured id ask

[shut ferry]

yall think they might reduce attributes requirments a lil bit

[restive arrow]

https://tenor.com/view/info-been-leaked-data-breach-information-leaked-leeks-lost-data-gif-10439631388543411242

[magic gale]

we don't know that for sure

[modern elk]

ah, so maybe something there

[stoic urchin]

there is good reason to assume we are getting all 4 remaining ascendancies

[hardy vale]

so the chinese event report said basically "new class isn't what ppl expect" so we know its probably not druid, but maybe a new ascendancy?

[stoic urchin]

but nothing confirmed

[modern elk]

would like to see more minion ascendancies in general

[ornate hemlock]

Marauder

[magic gale]

did french guy say anything on that?

[magic gale]

see you in 2026

[stoic urchin]

it has been confirmed recently that there will be no druid

[stoic urchin]

nope, just my speculation

[modern elk]

what happened to druid being basically ready lol

when huntress launched

[magic gale]

I think it's reasonable. Just strange he didn't mention it in the articles then, since he covered classes missing ascendencies.

[frosty eagle]

They changed the game so many times since then

[modern elk]

? that was the last major patch

[hardy vale]

apparently french guy had more to post before they took it down

[stoic urchin]

something interesting to consider is how the leaker said that it was 40% of the info, i interpret it as 60% remaining in terms of quantity, and probably not content

that 60% remaining might aswell be the actual bulk of the reveal lol

[frosty eagle]

My guesses included:

*They needed to add more combos like they did to Huntress
*They reworked how Unarmed/Forms work
*They had problems with WASD and transformations

[modern elk]

im really hoping endgame gets some serious love

and trading too

[ornate hemlock]

trading probably not

[stoic urchin]

chinese testers reported a new trading system, though nothing is sure about it being available for us or only china

[modern elk]

classic china getting the bis version

[ruby python]

so.

i guess leaks confirmed because they're deleted?

[stoic urchin]

jonathan has actually talked about major changes to the "archaic" trading system from POE2 way before EA even released lol

[stoic urchin]

they were confirmed by the leaker

and basically GGG

[magic gale]

Viper said yesterday that animations are the harder work on Druid transforms than programming, so that would support your thoughts.

[modern elk]

yeah i dont think current poe2 trading system flies with most players

[ruby python]

dont know a leaker that doesnt confirm his leaks tbh

[stoic urchin]

one of the final interlude images from the leaks also match with the GGG cinematic that they have just released

do with that what you will

[frosty eagle]

I also think them changing the Demon Form to take into account weapon means s similar change for Druid too

[stoic urchin]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=enc3k1QxFcw

[pastel bluff]

i am at very sceptical of removing skill gem restrictions. lots of gems basically act as more damage but with different value, it will invalidate less used skill gems through different skills. so why would 25% damage situational gems be used over ones that are 30% and etc

[modern elk]

yeah, no shot druids who transform just dont get weapon stats

sounds like a nightmare to balance

[pastel bluff]

restrictions encourage creativity in working around them. when you have anything you want at a moments notice, you dont care, you are done.

[frosty eagle]

They need to rehaul a lot of the support gems. Suddenly those conditional damage less support gems make no sense in the game

[ruby python]

if that's your problem with it it means badly designed gems, not badly designed restrictions.

[candid stag]

No druid= no play, it's as simple as that for me

[stoic urchin]

they also seem to have combined existing gems into one

[frosty eagle]

That may fix a lot of problems then

[modern elk]

really? damn lmao

[frosty eagle]

Do you have an example of that?

[stoic urchin]

like the emergency reload on top of double barrel

however they have done it as part of a new "rank" system for gems

[stoic urchin]

give me a sec

[frosty eagle]

Wait emergency reload is a buff skill not a support

[stoic urchin]

the support that reloads shotgun on heavy stun

whatever it's called

[pastel bluff]

you can rework all the gems or you can just unrework this system that pushes towards less towards more situational options

[shut ferry]

OH GOD

[pastel bluff]

we know how it plays out in poe1 and its boring and it will be even worse now

[shut ferry]

ITS HAPPENING

please tell thats damn skip campaign button

[magic gale]

no more repeat campaign

[stoic urchin]

no

[magic gale]

You will never skip campaign in POE though

[pastel bluff]

they will have to rework gemling for it and it is an interesting niche for him to have, more flexibility when building

[stoic urchin]

this is part of their new support gem tier system that they will likely explain in detail tomorrow

[frosty eagle]

Thats U
Auto Reload

WoW they really DID combine the Support gems

I think I am fine with this then

[stoic urchin]

yeah, you get my point though xd

[shut ferry]

https://tenor.com/view/tea-good-morning-love-messages-gif-25662378

[frosty eagle]

Having like a thousand support gems was about to be a UI nightmare

Because thats where things were headed

[stoic urchin]

this opens up lots of room for new combinations

[pastel bluff]

why would you use double barrel 1 when 2 exists

[magic gale]

You wouldn't

[stoic urchin]

early game?

[magic gale]

yeah

[rough dagger]

it is progression

[frosty eagle]

You would always used Double Barrell 3, but the early ones are for progression

[rough dagger]

instead of poe1 support gem levels

[frosty eagle]

Its probably because they want to control the support gem spikes

[pastel bluff]

poe1 gem lvlup thing ish?

[rough dagger]

yes

[magic gale]

Also likely means a lot of the supports currently locked out until later levels can now be accessible right away.

[pastel bluff]

idk

[rough dagger]

kinda

[frosty eagle]

Its based on Support gem tiers

[pastel bluff]

too much poe1ification

[stoic urchin]

we do not have information on how the new system works

[frosty eagle]

Also... this is definitely massive power creep lol

[stoic urchin]

it could be its own system, or what we currently have but with an option to upgrade current supports when you get a higher rank uncut gem, we will need info on that tomorrow

[frosty eagle]

Tho I think not every support gem is getting tiered options

Like I saw Impale having only one tier

[pastel bluff]

shouldnt they upgrade in mana cost or requirements or something

[frosty eagle]

But Brutality was 3

[vale nest]

your life must be pretty boring if thats the only thing that will make you play the game

[stoic urchin]

i think some will def stop at tier 2 or 1, depending on the effect

[stoic urchin]

why would they?

[pastel bluff]

because there are support gems that are direct upgrades

[frosty eagle]

Maybe now Scattershot won't be so dog shit

[pastel bluff]

to make the lower ones more enticing

[rough dagger]

you are expected to upgrade, they are not expecting you to choose brutality I over brutality II

it's progression

[stoic urchin]

it's supposed to be a progression system, they have been clear about this, i assume they have the same philosophy as when players try to use lower level gem

they dont want you to do that

they would rather you want to get the highest level of a gem

[pastel bluff]

you have requirements for gear most rpgs. lvl1 cant just equip the best sword. but they could use the gem if they have it

[frosty eagle]

Its also a balancing thing

[rough dagger]

don't think of brutality I and brutality II as 2 different gems, but the same gem leveled up

[gritty bison]

Do you have the original article about the warriors

[pastel bluff]

but not for gems?

[frosty eagle]

Like some supports are way too much powerful early on but would be kinda weak in end game

[stoic urchin]

they will be as they are now, you are required to find them to be able to use the higher rank

[frosty eagle]

This also allows them to cut down on a lot of support gems

[stoic urchin]

if you dont want to use them on your alts you are free

[frosty eagle]

This is definitely a much bigger overhaul than I was expecting

[stoic urchin]

exactly

and it opens up slots for more supports on main skills

[pastel bluff]

chatgpter

[stoic urchin]

which makes things more interesting

[stoic urchin]

??

[pastel bluff]

as if support gems are hard to get

[stoic urchin]

they arent, but they are their own progression system locked behind acquisition through acts

[hazy quarry]

Even 19s and 20s were decently available in 0.2

in 0.1 20s were almost non existent

[stoic urchin]

if you want to use the ones you find you can, if you want to use your alt's you can

i dont understand, do you think someone is pointing a gun at your hand and forcing you to play the game a certain way lol?

blink twice if jonathan is holding you hostage

[modern elk]

yes, ziz is standing behind me, help

[stoic urchin]

yeah those are part of the leaks

[ruby python]

i just saw the discussion like it's not known here

[stoic urchin]

oh no we know that, we have seen everything that the leaker posted before being taken down xd

[pastel bluff]

they should probably atleast have higher mana cost modifiers for upgraded gems, since they are direct upgrades

[gritty bison]

Can someone upload the original article about the warriors?

[modern elk]

nah mana is already too much of a problem

imo

[pastel bluff]

more powerful gem, more mana cost, as with normal skill gems, as with gear having attribute requirements and etc

[pastel bluff]

ok i respect your opinion

thank you

[modern elk]

thank you, i too respect yours

[pastel bluff]

🤝

diplomacy 100

[stoic urchin]

.

[pastel bluff]

i have not had mana issues with the game

[modern elk]

it varies on the class

[stoic urchin]

@gritty bison

[pastel bluff]

but it is to note that i was not able to get a + to skill gear and i am aware skill level massively increases mana cost

[modern elk]

monk I had to purposely not equip + skill

[pastel bluff]

and + to skill gear gets massive, like there are +5s on a spear out there

or on other weapons atleast

[modern elk]

like im fine with mana costs increasing, but its the amount it increases thats the problem

[stoic urchin]

@gritty bison you can download the PDF from here

[modern elk]

i dont think it should be unplayable if ur at endgame and u have as much + skill as u can get

[pastel bluff]

i need read on db if you can actually + to melee skill on spear because i havent got one

but if i did, i would definitely be hurt by mana

[stoic urchin]

Current mana costs are already out of control when trying to scale lvl 25+ gems, increasing those further on support gems would be dangerous

[vale nest]

more .3 leaks when

[stoic urchin]

No more, come back tomorrow

[modern elk]

believe it or not, tomorrow in 20 hours

[pastel bluff]

i was having mana issues but i changed some gear up, a little bit of max mana so i can use a better spear is all i need. i was using a melee main attack and the mana drain mobs were absolutely destroying me so i switched back to spear stab

[vale nest]

heckin frick

[stoic urchin]

I think we've had more than enough leaks for today

[pastel bluff]

rapid assault pretty much a direct downgrade to spear stab is a real shame

[modern elk]

mana and attribute issues are 2 of my primary concerns

[stoic urchin]

1000%

[modern elk]

should be puzzles to solve, not herculean tasks

[pastel bluff]

i dont think you are really supposed to be getting as many lvls as you are on gear

[stoic urchin]

Skill mana needs buffs, not nerfs

As in lower mala costs for lvl 25+ gems

[vale nest]

i just wanted to abyss anything smh ;-;

[frosty panther]

support gem change is yikes

[pastel bluff]

like, +5 to skill on a weapon. i think i saw a +7 once? thats ridiculous. they have diablo 2 influence, just watching the game i cant recall a single piece of gear that had more than a +3 to an ability

yea i agree, the restriction removal is a mistake

[stoic urchin]

For spells +leve is the only way to scale them up in any meaningful way

[modern elk]

sure, but as it is now its a problem

[pastel bluff]

the strictness on the game is just about right except for maybe mana costs when you upgrade skill levels too much

[frosty panther]

support gems changing based on rank is good

[modern elk]

to be fair you can have the same effect by reducing amount of + skill and making each + worth more

[frosty panther]

armor

[pastel bluff]

but i can't call that for sure because i didn't play with + to skills

[ornate hemlock]

+5 is already too much, +7 is atrocious xD

[frosty panther]

lets go armor

lets go unbreakable

[pastel bluff]

yea

probably the base mana increase formula is just a bit too high you know

[frosty panther]

I feel justified for spamming that every day since luanch

[stoic urchin]

Except gem scaling is literally the most efficient way, as it scales up exponentially the more of it you have

[modern elk]

yeah, im just saying you can achieve it mathematically with fewer ranks if they wanted to

not that I think thats a good idea

[stoic urchin]

You are INCENTIVISED to get as much +level of skills as you can, because it is the only metric in the game that gets increasing returns rather than deminishing

[modern elk]

makes spell users OP early

[stoic urchin]

Spell users dont have issues early, they struggle later on

[frosty panther]

deflect added to evasion good

[pastel bluff]

giving less of something making it more valuable

[vale nest]

i think thats a bad thing

[modern elk]

yeah this is not good

[stoic urchin]

Yeah, especially when you dont have much else in terms of scaling damage

[modern elk]

should have multiple paths u can take

[stoic urchin]

That is the problem

[vale nest]

literally my whole build

[modern elk]

idk how u solve that for spells though

[pastel bluff]

like just on the foot i am thinking, if i see a +5 or more, it better be on a unique piece of gear not a rare modifier

and game balanced around it

[stoic urchin]

There is a sense of GGG doubling down on +to skills

[pulsar sedge]

You'd have to readd damage effectiveness and flat added damage to spells

Which they explicitly strayed away from intentionally

[stoic urchin]

Because they make +to skills the single highest scaling metric by far, and everything else is dogshit in comparison and has diminishing returns

[vale nest]

they need to buff weapons

[modern elk]

idk, this is a problem too

[vale nest]

not really

thats cope

[modern elk]

u dont want to end up like d3/4 where weapons are your primary scaler for spells

[vale nest]

i dont want it to be the primary scaler. i just want it to be worth a fuck at all as a scaler

[stoic urchin]

It's crazy, the math is something like from lvl 20 to 30 gem level you get 200% more dmg compared to 10-20, and from 30 to 40 you get about a 350%-400% more damage, which is rather fucking insane lol

[modern elk]

sure, but its a tricky balance

[vale nest]

not really

[shut ferry]

final boss of tota is gonna be baal from d2 i swear guys

[modern elk]

too much and u devalue other methods of scaling

[vale nest]

i dont think adding 50% more damage to weapons then scaling back + levels a bit will break the game

that 50% is a random number btw

[shut ferry]

totally a blizzard ggg collaboration i swear im totally not lying out of my teeth rn

[pastel bluff]

maybe need tuning due to being more exponential but i havent played with it

[vale nest]

just in general sense

adjust as needed

[pastel bluff]

i would definitely scale the +lvls back a bit

[vale nest]

but weapons shouldnt suck

and the only good weapons shouldnt be a mirror

[modern elk]

this i am 100% with you on

[vale nest]

maybe its more that that im upset with rather than scaling

[pastel bluff]

i will chatgpt what modifiers you get for +lvls on each weapon type

[vale nest]

bows are stupid fucking overpriced

[modern elk]

thats the poe special

[vale nest]

so dumb

these people will sit on a mirror bow all league rather than lower the price

[modern elk]

tangential but this kinda gets solved with a new trade system

[gritty bison]

what the word "Limitless Ancestral Warrior" means in the pdf? Is it a new point?

[modern elk]

well, depending on what that system looks like

[modern elk]

its AI translated from chinese, specific wording is not gonna mean much

[rare thorn]

I think u can spawn as many as u want but u need endurance charge to spawn them so…

[pastel bluff]

spears go up to +5 and crossbows up to +7? make it like +3 for one handed and +6 for two handed

imo

at the least. else it goes too hard with the levels

[stoic urchin]

A good example is a spell like ARC, level 1 (2-10) DMG, lvl 10 (13-75 DMG), at lvl 20 it deals (47-277), at lvl 30 it deals (158-887), at lvl 40 it deals (505-2862)

[dusk igloo]

apparently darth kinda confirmed the leaks are real in ghazzy twitch chat, anyone have a screencap?

[stoic urchin]

Take it from me, it's true

All of it lol

[pastel bluff]

you dont have to. who would be out there writing out this much stuff if it was fake patch notes

like come on

1 day before the release

[dusk igloo]

chatgpt 😏

[modern elk]

everything will be revealed in 19.5 hours

[stoic urchin]

Some translations from french are wacky, havent read the french version on that one but i think it refers to the fact that ancestral warrior totem no longer has a totem cap, you can summon as many as you want as long as thr conditions are met

[frosty eagle]

I mean... thats logical. Obviously going from 20 to 40 would be 400% damage if going from 20 to 30 is 200%. Unless you are saying 30 to 40 is 400% more than 20 to 30 which would be absurd

[pastel bluff]

is chatgpt in the chat with us

[frosty eagle]

But its true that skill gems are linear all the way up to 40 where as in PoE1, it had hard diminishing returns after 30 for most spells

[pastel bluff]

time to make it write a poe2 patch see what it comes up with

[dusk igloo]

is there a document summary of the compiled info yet

[pastel bluff]

the leak will muddy chatgpts data i feel and will just send me these ones

[stoic urchin]

What i mean by that is that it's the hardest avenue of scaling damage atm, especially for spell casters

[pastel bluff]

so... man

[stoic urchin]

Other options have diminishing returns are are a lot less effective

[naive furnace]

Stream begins, Johnathan walks into frame.
"So, some of you think it's funny to leak info early" brandishes a sawed off shotgun
Twitch cuts the broadcast as you hear a bear roaring

[modern elk]

why are there fries on his head

[pastel bluff]

it says it would do a gem rework but its probably just really muddied its data from the leak. would have to test it before it to see if it would be similar

[stoic urchin]

In other words, there is such a wide gap between increasing gem lvl and other forms of dmg increase for spellcasters that there is no point in investing too much in anything outside +gem level

[naive furnace]

Where else would he put them?

[pastel bluff]

cuz he is cooked

[modern elk]

you know, good point

[stoic urchin]

Lol i fucking hate AI users especially for leaks and info, it's so far away from being good it's crazy to me that people rely on that shit

AI is only good at automating simple stuff, and it can only do so much of that

[modern elk]

AI is great at adding fluff to emails

[pastel bluff]

yea i would also dislike competition

[stoic urchin]

Yet people are still insisting on asking it to formulate coherent thoughts

[stoic urchin]

Exactly

[modern elk]

and then removing fluff from emails

[stoic urchin]

It's great at word fimling

Filling*

[stoic urchin]

No worries you arent even there yet buddy

Somehow making less sense than AI lol

[frail dew]

it was absolutely maddening after the teaser with the symbols, so so many people posting chatgpt interpretations

and even some just saying it had deciphered it, etc.

[modern elk]

AI is a plague

makes me sound like a boomer but i stand by it

[stoic urchin]

I swear AI is absolutely handicapped when it comes to stuff like that but it seems like people have sold their brains instead of acrually trying to figure it out

[frail dew]

yeah literally, like if brainrot legitimately rotted the brain

[stoic urchin]

Thank god for 4chan autists still being there

[frosty panther]

Bloon

[modern elk]

I've had employees submit work to me that they clearly fed into AI and didn't check anything

[frosty panther]

I have never felt so vindicated about defenses if this is all true

XD

[frail dew]

in what case, i dont recall your stance

[frosty panther]

Unbrakable should be baseline for armor Parry sucks and needs to work better

evsion should have acro baked in

[stoic urchin]

People are using AI for the absolute opposite of what it was made for, it's supposed to automate simpler more boring tasks, not take creative space and make slop

[frosty panther]

obviously they didn't quite go acro

[frosty eagle]

No doubt about that, only thing remotely close is like crit multi

[frosty panther]

but gave evasion some generic dr

[stoic urchin]

Using AI to make art is the pinnacle of irony

[modern elk]

AI art looks so gross

although I worry itll get to a point I can no longer tell

[stoic urchin]

It's like making a dishwasher write articles for you while you go and wash the dishes yourself

[frail dew]

oh yeah, i also didnt get what deflect actually is

[stoic urchin]

We have somehow given the fun part to AI while we do the boring stuff

[frosty panther]

40% fuck you evade that can 100% cap

[frail dew]

do you just get it from evasion? is it something else you can roll as a base defence, as opposed to evasion?

[frosty panther]

basically partial evasion

which i mentioned way back before ea

[stoic urchin]

It's like block but 40% of dmg fixed value and it returns the damage, it counts for ALL hits except red boss slams and can go all the way up to 100^

100%*

[frail dew]

how do you get it though, from explicits like suppression / block or as a base defence

[stoic urchin]

It is also affected by the attacker's accuracy

[agile pond]

https://tenor.com/view/flood-pipe-gif-15999826281270001688

[frosty panther]

base defense

like armor got unbreakable base defense

[frail dew]

so would an item say 1000 evasion rating, 1000 deflection rating?

[frosty panther]

that are the things wrong

[stoic urchin]

No idea, seems to be its own mod though

[frosty panther]

and both are a poe1 release acrobatics "Everything besides evasion is awful on you." mechanic

[modern elk]

https://fortune.com/2025/08/18/mit-report-95-percent-generative-ai-pilots-at-companies-failing-cfo/

[short rapids]

doubtful GGG doesnt hand out free defensive layers generally

[stoic urchin]

However it's specifically said to be for dex characters like monk, ranger and merc

[tight drum]

just a wee bit lad

[frosty panther]

probably more like 1000 evasion is 800 evasion and 1600 deflection rating

and nothing prevents deflection rating from capping

[frail dew]

if it would be a base defence, i assumw they would start splitting numbers (as described above)

otherwise, if it just rolls as an explicit, it would basically be poe2 version of suppress

applies to not just spells but weaker

[stoic urchin]

Which makes it pretty much confirmed not to be a shield thing like block

And just there on gear

[frosty panther]

but yeah the biggest change imo for melee @frail dew "Fuck you block works unless you flashed red."

[stoic urchin]

Parry too!

[hazy quarry]

How I understood deflection is its basically a whole new stat

[stoic urchin]

Same

[short rapids]

I highly doubt deflection scales like evasion. It would be piss easy to scale both if they did. Thats why the leak says it scales off accuracy.

[hazy quarry]

its a new defensive layer akin to poe1 spell supression

[frail dew]

yeah but how do you get it, from explicits or weapon base defences

[hazy quarry]

lines on gear and the tree

[stoic urchin]

They also showcased the new "17% of armour reduces elemental dmg from hits" alongside it so could def be a new mod

[frosty eagle]

If a monster has 100% chance to hit you does it mean you always have 0% chance to deflect?

[gritty bison]

I have a guess. In act 4, you will get a ticket to the Ancestral Trial. It will appear as a mission item. After completing the mission, you will get the third set of Ascendancy Points.Will it be like this?

[frail dew]

so it's just poe2 suppress then, pretty cool

[hazy quarry]

yeah

[hazy quarry]

No

[stoic urchin]

It will clash with your deflection stat using math, and figure out the rest

[frail dew]

the formula might be more or less generous

[shut ferry]

im pretty is just poe 2 supress

[hazy quarry]

deflect is most likely calculated AFTER you get hit

so it goes thorugh evasion first, and if you get hit it rolls for deflect and if you deflect you mitigate 40% of the damage

[frosty eagle]

Deflect chance is based off of enemy accuracy

[hazy quarry]

which is affected by your evasion

[stoic urchin]

Yeah, if it's like the accuracy vs evasion formula it will def sound finky

[short rapids]

if its based off enemy accuracy that would make Blind actually useful

[stoic urchin]

Funky*

[frosty eagle]

If they have some theory mod that says "attacks cannot be evaded" fhen you can never deflect it

[stoic urchin]

That is word for word what i said lol

[frosty eagle]

Yeah Blind should work really well with it

[hazy quarry]

its just one more defensive layer we can get most likely with more nodes in ranger and monk land so we do not have to travel all the way to witch land for ES

[vale nest]

i have a feeling my build will be a lil broken this season.

[hazy quarry]

so ranger, monk and merc are less dependant on ES basically

[stoic urchin]

https://tenor.com/view/smash-bros-yoshi-hammer-hit-smash-gif-16289952

[hazy quarry]

because right now you have to play with EV/ES gear basically to stay alive

this gives you an alternative

[stoic urchin]

GGG with nerf hammer

[vale nest]

lets not ;-;

its not even op dps wise it literally blows cheeks

[pastel bluff]

deflect. chance to reduce damage by 40% by default?

another defensive layer

[short rapids]

yea default 40%

[hazy quarry]

it is default 40% if you deflect yes

[pastel bluff]

idk i have to formulate a thought on it

[stoic urchin]

This will likely make witch hunter sorcery ward nodes better in my opinion

[hazy quarry]

it makes any dex based class better really

[pastel bluff]

its like block in a way no?

[stoic urchin]

Supposing it doesn't also reduce deflect now lol

[frosty eagle]

WH Sorcery Ward isn't bad problem is that you need to spend 4 point into it

[short rapids]

if you had glancing blows sure

[hazy quarry]

you are never fully mitigating

[stoic urchin]

It's like block if you take glancing blows

[pastel bluff]

you could have deflect and block

[hazy quarry]

its just making spikes more survivable

[frosty eagle]

Its spell suppression thats based on enemy accuracy

[short rapids]

just view deflect as a lifepool multiplier at 100% chance

[frosty eagle]

Only it works on attacks too so its just broad DR

[hazy quarry]

yeah its basically 40% mitigation if you have 100% deflect

[pastel bluff]

is this deflect on gear?

[frosty eagle]

Monk is going to be so cracked man

Dont know yet

[hazy quarry]

yes its on gear lines and in the tree

[pastel bluff]

like a primary stat like evasion or maybe a modifier?

[sly gorge]

poe 2 doesn't differentiate between attack and spell hits

[stoic urchin]

It's basically 40% DR with some rare cases where you wont have it, if you fully invest into it

[frosty eagle]

Exactly I am just comparing to PoE1

[sly gorge]

everything hit is just a hit unless it's an aoe

[hazy quarry]

yeah red slams are not deflectable iirc

but don't quote me on that

[stoic urchin]

It actually does but on deflect it says HITS

[frosty eagle]

Like when ppl say spell suppression... no its actually just "supprsssion"

[stoic urchin]

Pretty sure they are

[stoic urchin]

Oh wait you said red slams mb

[short rapids]

Armor evasion bases are probably going to be cracked if you can get deflect and armor applies to ele

[stoic urchin]

Red slams are def not, regular slams and aoe's are

[frosty eagle]

Armour applies to ele doesnt seem that good if its the same formula

But the values are quite large tho

[stoic urchin]

Agreed, however it being on top of capped res makes it a tad better

[pastel bluff]

not sure if i am a fan of just adding new modifier, if its really needed, could lead to poe1-fication

[short rapids]

@frosty eagle Its very strong with the hybrid armor because you can deflect the dmg and then armor is more effective

[frosty eagle]

Evasion builds REALLY needed Deflect tho

[stoic urchin]

Yeah i agree, i'm afraid they are adding a tad too many mods this league

[pastel bluff]

you guys have struggle with defences as evasion characters, whether it be pure or hybrid?

[hazy quarry]

but yeah the thing is deflect works on AOE but not red slams

[pastel bluff]

i don't play pure evasion

[short rapids]

shouldnt be hit by red slams anyway

[frosty eagle]

You can use it on EV/ES too

[sly gorge]

active block also working on regular aoe now

[pastel bluff]

it is easier to add than to remove

[frosty eagle]

Unless deflect is only on pure evasion gear

Maybe it is

[stoic urchin]

Haven't read that but i wouldnt be surprised tbh

[hazy quarry]

We do not know which bases it rolls on yet

[short rapids]

Crossbows are going to be insanely strong with Armor/evasion bases and the movement changes

if they get deflect on the hybrid

[pastel bluff]

want to see how good evasion is on its own. so if you just run pure armour or evasion or es, how they feel. i imagine evasion is pretty rippy, going from high highs to low lows due to its nature by its design

[hazy quarry]

evasion is right now pretty rippy even with ES

because you have to travel a lot to get any decent scrap of ES

so even with good hybrid bases you have to invest a lot which then you lack in damage

[short rapids]

Merc bubble+ Deflect with armor applies to ele GG

[frosty eagle]

I really doubt armor applies to ele would be on hybrid bases

[hazy quarry]

yeah basically instead of nerfing ES they buffed armor and evasion based builds

which was a good call because defenses where meh in 0.2

or well are

[sly gorge]

banners buffed as well

[short rapids]

@frosty eagle if they treat it like poe1 it will be. Hybrids have suppress on them

[hazy quarry]

which also makes hybrids even more desireable

in terms of bases I mean

[short rapids]

Also possible recomb lets you move them over

[pastel bluff]

is it

i am very sceptical of devs afraid to nerf, i have seen it time and time again, nerfs are required to keep down power creep

[hazy quarry]

Have you played 0.2 day 1?

GGG is not afraid to nerf.

[frosty eagle]

This patch is power creep city, just based off of the leaks alone

[stark skiff]

day 1 was hella rough played party and we spent like 3 hours on draven

[frosty panther]

feels good to be right

[hazy quarry]

They cut down life and ES scaling a lot in 0.2

[stark skiff]

All huntress before rake was figured out couldnt scale dmg to hp

[hazy quarry]

which made hybrids getting a double whammy

[pastel bluff]

nah

[hazy quarry]

so a solution was necessary and armor was underperforming since december

[pastel bluff]

i started end of 0.2

[hazy quarry]

yeah then you missed the big nerfnuke

[pastel bluff]

i know they did a lot of nerfs in 0.2?

i am sceptical, we will see

[hazy quarry]

they nerved a whole set of life and es scaling vectors

10k es was common in 0.1

[frosty eagle]

There will be nerfs in 0.3 as well, they just won't advertise them now

[hazy quarry]

exactly the leaks were only showing of the "cool stuff"

we do not know how scaling for mobs might have changed

[short rapids]

ES needs a midgame nerf tbh not a high end nerf. its stupid easy to get a high ES pool early.

[hazy quarry]

but it was expected that they tune down difficulty a bit in 0.3

[keen copper]

rhoa is assuredly getting nerfed somehow

its busted

[clear temple]

Had to be afk for a while, do we think armor will be any better at taking physical damage? I know there will be elemental affixes

[short rapids]

Rhoa probably getting an even higher spirit cost

[frosty panther]

god bless

[clear temple]

But idr if they convert physical or just better protect against elemental

[frosty panther]

there was so much wrong with sunder

[keen copper]

right? im gonna play warbringer sunder totems

[short rapids]

@clear temple Dont need better phys dmg taken when you convert phys to Ele and then get Armor applies to ele.

[pastel bluff]

i think they should just nerf difficulty instead of buffing make it less zoom zoomy

like there are way too many mobs just playing standard maps. base mob pack just too high

"but you want high mob pack its more xp"

[keen copper]

I personally think sprint is just a bandaid for an eventually movespeed buff

but who knows

ive played countless leagues now and GGG always surprises

😭

[clear temple]

Wait so these new affixes convert physical to ele?

[pastel bluff]

sprint is diablo 2 mechanic, it is very obvious the game has so much influence from diablo2

even more so than poe1 and diablo3

[short rapids]

theres no way to buff MS outside of just handing the character a higher baseline MS. They purposely removed all of the temp buffs from poe1 that would give it

[frosty panther]

lol

[short rapids]

@clear temple no im just saying You dont need armor more effective against phys when you can reduce the dmg even more by converting and then reducing the converted dmg even more by adding armor ontop of the res

[clear temple]

D3 not being what they wanted is what spawned poe1

[frosty panther]

double barrel is so good with the shotgun skills

how do you not heavy stun with those

[keen copper]

well with all the crowd control in the game it will be interesting to see how sprint does

im very curious

[pastel bluff]

yea and it went its own way

[frosty panther]

(OR do small mobs not count as heavy stunned)

[pastel bluff]

poe2 is more faithful and they also had way more resources

[clear temple]

What conversion methods do we even have

[short rapids]

@clear temple smith, Cloak, maybe new passives on top of my head

[clear temple]

Idr any meaningful ones in game, otherwise people would've stopped complaining

So, one ascension, 1 ES unique, and maybe some passives

Got it

[modern elk]

we def need more conversion methods

or some other method to accomplish the same thing

[frosty eagle]

Excited for tomorrow, GGG always delivered on the live streams

[keen copper]

im hoping we see major skill tree changes

theres so many nodes that are just bland and repeated

[modern elk]

wish the twitch drop was better tho lol

[pastel bluff]

you have this deflection mechanic, what other secondary defence mechanics are there to rival it?

[short rapids]

on left side their equivalent is ele conversion and armor applying. Top is jst giant Es pool and bottom has easy access to Armor/eva hybrid

[frosty eagle]

Top also has MoM/Mana

[pastel bluff]

you have more ele conversion?: there was a fire to armour or something node but thats all i remember

[frosty eagle]

Left/bottom has Block too

[pastel bluff]

non ascendancy

[short rapids]

Ele conversion is still limited and much stronger than just armor applying because resist also works on it but yeah the armor applying to Ele dmg is mega strong in poe1 when you can get fuckloads of armor. Poe2 just has limited armor scaling

[frosty eagle]

The formula is also different

The ele mitigation from armor in PoE2 is calculated BEFORE resistance mitigation not after as in PoE1

[short rapids]

kinda has to or you'd take basically no dmg

[frosty eagle]

Otherwise that 17% mod on that armor would be busted

Thats why the value is so high

[short rapids]

it should be strong for hybrid damage attacks

and getting max res will stay strong for pure dmg

[frosty eagle]

Or a bunch of small hits

[pastel bluff]

i think the main limiter is just that you cant scale life like you can es

pmuch

i think thats the minimum

[short rapids]

I think GGG's intention is without life nodes you can invest heavily into armor/apply to ele nodes so the dmg taken is much lower so you dont need a high pool. But it hasnt worked out yet

[pastel bluff]

you need some life nodes atleast because its core part of fantasy of being warrior, just keep them limited like two nodes or so within the left side. there is one there already with stun threshold.

[short rapids]

left side /pure str gear either needs easier access to more str or flat life

Str is dangerous to make easier because that makes any str stacking scaling later op so

[hazy quarry]

they did not go to the length to nuke stat stackers from orbit just to now walk back on them

that would be silly

I think the leaks make it clear that they are not going for life but for other ways to mitigate or avoid damage

[short rapids]

I think they have a midgame problem honestly.

[pastel bluff]

need some flat life, absolutely

[hazy quarry]

They intentionally did not wanted life wheels on the tree

[short rapids]

its really hard to get good defenses with meh or shitty gear and with high investment you're usually very tanky

[frosty eagle]

That or the core Armor Physical damage formula is improved

[short rapids]

that inbetween has been kinda sucking

[pastel bluff]

if es is basically life but it also regenerates super well out of combat, why you get more ES than life? its inverted, es should be lower than how you get life due to the ability to regen

[frosty eagle]

The idea is that Life is supposed to be much easier to recover mid combat when you need to recover the most

Life has leech and superior regen mechanics, also Life pot

[pastel bluff]

life is easier to recover than the stat that literally recovers on its own pretty fast

[short rapids]

its also easier to get life leech, pot, etc

[pastel bluff]

as a base part

[keen copper]

hopefully there will be some skill tree changes in .3 as well

[summer sand]

That's the point. It regenerates out of combat (or not getting hit). In combat, it only helps against a few big hits but no reliable regen unless you speak into Mind over Matter and mana regen or ES recharge time

[frosty eagle]

ES can't recover mid combat tho when you need it most

[pastel bluff]

its not even supposed to be compared to life but to armour or evasion but its just that strong

[frosty eagle]

The balancing isn't there ofc

[short rapids]

Es is supposed to be weak against sustained damage

[frosty eagle]

I think life recovery is too weak and recharge is good enough

[short rapids]

while armor is great for it

and life

[frosty eagle]

And also that keystone that allows you to use life flask to recover ES shouldn't be in PoE2

If it is it should have a higher recovery penalty

Its stuff like that puts ES on top

Evasion also works well ES

Also Ghost Shroud

[short rapids]

Block obviously trying to be the answer to that but its harder to scale than evasion lol

[frosty eagle]

And needs a good shield

[short rapids]

and you need a ton of Str to not have a gigantic dps loss

[frosty eagle]

Tho block is left side snd evasion is right side

[short rapids]

so you can use 2handers

[frosty eagle]

Druid is meant to have block, Armour and ES

[pastel bluff]

block is very bs to scale because the tree is not 5% flat chance to block but is based on your shield block chance so you just need shield block

[frosty eagle]

Yeah you definitely need a well rolled shield

[short rapids]

does magma barrier give increased block chance right now in .2?

cus in .3 it had block scaling

in the leaks

[pastel bluff]

which i think is just weird tooltip and weird scaling. rather have it be 5% flat chance to block

[frosty eagle]

They dont like giving flat stuff on tree

[pastel bluff]

if i have say 50% chance to block, and i read 5% more chance to block, i expect to then have 55% chance to block, not 52%

[restive arrow]

CI will die

[frosty eagle]

They want items and passive tree mods to be distinct

[short rapids]

yeah magma barrier doesnt right now

so in .3 magma barrier helps with that

[pastel bluff]

its block chance which is easily capped and it makes it so you pretty much require good block chance on the shield

[dense agate]

Ancestral Cry looks sick

[pastel bluff]

having must have mods on equipment, really boring

[dense agate]

Warbringer says hello

[frosty eagle]

I kinda agree and I dont get GGs hard on with it

[frosty panther]

functionally it does

the way es works in poe2 if evasion/armor dont suck

[dense agate]

Warbringer just ignores that

and allows uniques to cap easily

[frosty panther]

and it looks like evasion is getting %evasion as deflect

and armor is getting % armor as unbreakable effect

[dense agate]

also armour to ele

on tree and gear

[frosty panther]

yeah

[dense agate]

People dont realize how strong that is

[frosty panther]

that's what unbreakable is

poe1 thing

[kindred prawn]

will there be a new class? i must know

[pastel bluff]

5% flat chance to block on tree is absolutely fine because of the stat it is, you cant infinitely stack block except for lay siege, which, just rework lay siege then

[dense agate]

oh that didnt click in my brain

[dense agate]

because its not in poe 1 anymore

it was removed like 3 leagues ago

[short rapids]

no idea if the buff scales but 25% increased on magma

[kindred prawn]

that is a crazy increase in block

[dense agate]

higher res to not hurt my eyes

[sand brook]

wow

1. Act 4
2. New lineage support gems drop only
3. Support gem can be used in multiple times and have tier now
   4 sprint
4. No new class

I doubt bruh these are true based on point 5

[short rapids]

8 seconds to fully imbue kills the retal build :/