2┃leaks

[thorny blaze]

give what was revealed about changes to Witch, Merc, War, and Ranger, rebalance and foundational changes seems to be the name of this patch. Haven't heard anything about Monk, Sorc, or Huntress changes yet

[native bone]

I just realized that tota was also not leaked at all LMAO

[elfin jasper]

diablo 4 has released just one class in 2 years for example

[opaque shale]

aware

[gilded sonnet]

Again, only 40% of stuff was

So that might well be in the remaining 60%

[hazy quarry]

Because the leaker was shut down before they could post it all

[thorny blaze]

i'm aware!

[keen copper]

lets hope abyss is dope like it is in poe1

[native bone]

Yeah it's and most are on the smaller ones aside from act4

[keen copper]

and we get a new uber and chase items, hinekoras lock, maybe veiled orbs

[thorny blaze]

i was simply explaining why I wouldn't expect a new class

not that I don't have hopes!

[gilded sonnet]

And unlike D4, classes are just a set of ascendancies in PoE2, the main stuff is skills, so if the update adds a bunch of skills - which it does - it's still valuable content

[queen musk]

all in all i really hope bosses strat starts becoming viable , tired af of the kill rare for loot

[opaque shale]

i think when people talk about classes what they actually mean is weapons or skill archetypes

[calm widget]

I personally think that they've decided to shelve the new classes for this patch and just re-do the existing ones which is why they went all in on all the skills and support gems in order to get the game we have right now really popping with build diversity and actual fun gameplay mechanics which was a massive undertaking based on the small sample we got from the leaks and like someone else mentioned the articles didn't get to huntress monk and sorc

[native bone]

The interlude things might be replacing those for some maps.

[opaque shale]

it kinda goes hand in hand release-wise

[rough dagger]

Unarmed archetype support 🙏

But yeah, making the current archetypes actually work makes more sense

[kindred prawn]

i just want IntStr class

[nocturne nimbus]

I think there will be new classes, just because the leak website didn't publish dosen't mean it's not there. I read another time and they talked about an upcoming article about monk changes but it wasn't there so it means they didn't had time to publish

[native bone]

This. If they release a new class without balancing, it would create another lightning spear scenario where one of the new skills from the new class makes up 80% on poe ninja

[magic gale]

the leaker wrote an edit on his Druid youtube speculation video updating people that GGG said Druid was not coming during the press event.

That's why people are so confident

[calm widget]

Unfortunately if we trust the leaker he directly spoke to GGG and there was no new class I'm not saying I want this I'm just telling you what info we've had so far

[kindred prawn]

i doubt it, they dont need to nerf the top to have better build diversity as much as they just needed to raise the floor and up the average build's effectiveness

[opaque shale]

that will happen anyway and the solution to this is mid-league nerfs

[shut ferry]

well shit

[kindred prawn]

which they said they wont do

[shut ferry]

this all we need ggg

[thorny blaze]

I think their entire philosophy for the rest of early access is to get all existing content into great shape, plus finishing the acts. Which I love, it means they're willing to make fundamental changes to things, and these leaks prove it

[shut ferry]

a fucking motor to lob grenades

[sly gorge]

I imagine they were planning to have druid in 0.3 but it's not ready yet so they're just not releasing it instead of delaying the league

[kindred prawn]

i love this

[opaque shale]

yeah so then live with 50% of people playing the same thing, its ineviteable unless they want to release a new weapon with 20 new skills that are all intentionally undertuned

[shut ferry]

it is indeed a hell yeah moment

[sly gorge]

glad we're getting more mace skills, volc fissure buff might make it viable, it comes out pretty fast if you don't have to use upheaval support

[winged geyser]

Yea no content

[kindred prawn]

i just disagree, people defaulted to lightning spear because most things felt terrible. If most skills don't feel terrible, even if a skill is OP, people won't switch as long as their build can function well enough. Most games in existence show this to be true

[thorny blaze]

i think they had to druid in a pretty good place but they decided the base game needed more work, including existing classes. there's a lot of feedback about the huntress, in particular the parry mechanic, being largely underwhelming (aside from being crazy OP, thanks Tangletongue)

[nocturne nimbus]

from what i'm seeing it's a bit disappointing... but like they had a bad car. They fixed it but it's the same car... we'll wait till 0.4

[hazy quarry]

You decide that after seeing not even half the car?

[shut ferry]

THEY SHOULDVE never added this in the first place

[winged geyser]

0.4 wont be different they are always playing catchup

[kindred prawn]

... yes its the same game still, if you don't like its intended indentity maybe find another game? or the analogy is just bad

[rough dagger]

I am curious, to the people saying they won't play without a new class, does that mean you won't play after they add all the classes and there are no classes to release?

[kindred prawn]

hindsight 20/20, most people had no issue with it until 0.2

[winter garden]

Do you have any leaks about 3rd asce for Sorceress ?

[hazy quarry]

no the leaks were shut down before they talked about that

[nocturne nimbus]

I'm not saying the car is bad, the car is good and i bought it because it's good. The disappointed it's like i would had wanted a better car but that's what it is

[shut ferry]

also me who ran a gemling in season 1:

[hazy quarry]

same for the league mechanic we have no idea about it whatsoever

[kindred prawn]

i think the idea is new classes come with many skills, after release new skills will still be released just alot for existing classes which may pull people in.

[shut ferry]

the second I made a non gemling I immediately felt how annoying that shit was

[rough dagger]

We are getting new skills

[kindred prawn]

i guess so :/

[kindred prawn]

yeah but not like a ton

[hazy quarry]

And you know that why?

[winged geyser]

Just a few new skills

Seems meh

[kindred prawn]

oh and also having the INT STR part of tree not functional is just a problem that needs to go away as well

[hazy quarry]

Tree is getting a a major rework

as per the leak

which also was not covered in it before it was shut down

[rough dagger]

Yeah, like, would adding a new class and keeping the current 7 in a messy state be better? Or fix the current 7 to open up more archetype

[opaque shale]

i feel like its a mistake to do major reworks for the passive tree before all weapons are released

[thorny blaze]

i mean I get it, to a degree. GGG seems to design from a position that initial iterations of things are very restrictive and underpowered. it's very hard to open doors to the player base and walk them back without huge outrage

[magic gale]

this is really the only bummer for not getting a class for me honestly. I'd love to see that part of the tree worked on.

[winged geyser]

I bet it wont even be fixed

[shut ferry]

holy shit watch the stun for sprinting be a death penalty

[magic gale]

referring to Atlas or passive tree?

[shut ferry]

would be really funny if they added ur character tripping and falling over nothing

[thorny blaze]

I mean getting stunned on Rhoa IS pretty much death

[hazy quarry]

I was refering to the passive tree and so was the leak

[rough dagger]

The goal is to massively improve it, they were going to need to do this at some point

[opaque shale]

do you guys think we'll eventually get a major endgame rework or will the infinite atlas stay

[native bone]

The ghazzy vod vanished, he was streaming it yt earlier lmao

[shut ferry]

maces and bows seems like they eating good this league

[rough dagger]

Eventually is a very strong word with GGG

because eventually they will address whatever is an issue

[opaque shale]

i meant within the next year or so

if they dont see it as an issue then it wont be adressed

[gilded sonnet]

Jonathan has said that he is open to outright reworking the endgame if they can't make it good enough

[rough dagger]

I am not sure about the infinite aspect being gone, but Jonathan did recognize that the atlas has fundamental issues

The atlas biome/infinite idea is not even being utilized now

[restive arrow]

https://tenor.com/view/hatsune-miku-hatsunemiku-vocaloid-leekspin-gif-27084853

[opaque shale]

mhmm fair enough

[rough dagger]

There are like no mechanics around the new concept which makes it feel useless, it will come with time

I wonder if the new league has some integration with that

[thorny blaze]

if they approach current engame they way they appear to be approaching changes this patch, then I have confidence

though I am sad tomorrow is just a reveal and we still have to wait 9 days after it to actually play it

[loud walrus]

You could also wait 9 days without a reveal

[hazy quarry]

Well maybe the new league will change that. The leak mentioned "map like" for a way to get the new gems

so maybe they have something in the works there that were not yet covered in full in the leak.

[green ledge]

Any new leaks?

[magic gale]

Yeah leak dude did not get to endgame updates at all. We still have a lot to look forward to tomorrow.

[hazy quarry]

nope the leak was shut down

[patent cave]

Has these leaks been confirmed to be true?

[hazy quarry]

so most likely no further info unless someone else is foolish enough to break the embargo

[rough dagger]

they are most likely true

[frosty eagle]

The Witch segment said next is Monk but after that he said GGG asked him to stop lol

[rough dagger]

I wanted Monk 🙁

[pulsar sedge]

They've been actively removed so that alone lends it lots of credibility.

*From that specific website

[thorny blaze]

Monk, Sorc, and Huntress changes are all still waiting to be revealed

[frosty eagle]

They are definitely very real tho, if not thats some of the best photoshop edit work ever

[hazy quarry]

They wont be, leaker has been firmly told by GGG to can it

[keen copper]

the guy literally admitted to breaking NDA they are real

[thorny blaze]

I and another poster attached PDFs of the leaked pages further up in the chat ... let me get the other fells name real quick

Edit: Xantho is their name

[hazy quarry]

Yes I am aware

my point was that no further info is coming

[thorny blaze]

ahh okay, just trying to be helpful!

[rough dagger]

23 hours anyway

[hazy quarry]

All good 🙂

[rough dagger]

The free weekend is going to be interesting 🙃

[hazy quarry]

yeah we are 23 hours 28 minutes away from official info

[frosty eagle]

The other pages probably covered Huntress, Monk, Sorceress, TOTA, Abyss and endgame changes... maybe even a new class (prayge!)

[keen copper]

this weekend wait is going to be so long and all next week LOL

[hazy quarry]

I mean leaker said no druid

[magic gale]

With 0.2 reveal, the site got updated about an hour before the stream. They probably won't do that again this time though.

[hazy quarry]

yeah I expect they are aware now how ravenous people are

[sly gorge]

also armour applying to ele dmg means little if they keep the current formula

[keen copper]

Im probably just going to start totem warbringer

it looks like it got a giga buff

[hazy quarry]

I mean warrior can also get deflection I assume

[keen copper]

either that or volanic fissure

[hazy quarry]

given the passive tree will get a rework

and that is 40% mitigation on top

[keen copper]

I wonder how big the passive tree rework is

[opaque shale]

poe2 reddit mods are trolling ? the only 2 threads that have been posted in the last 7 hours are people hyping up druid

[sly gorge]

oh wait magma barrier can just keep you at max charges now lol

[thorny blaze]

I may roll Ranger as a league starter, mostly because ....

[keen copper]

yeah that seems gross

Im gonna try stacking Evasion as well with Armour on Warbringer with Svalinn

[rough dagger]

?

[hazy quarry]

Its kinda needed though

[rough dagger]

How is it the mods' problem

[keen copper]

get to 90 block with super high deflection

[river pier]

holy...

[hazy quarry]

Even if you do get full on deflection its substantial yes but ES was always in a shitty spot because you had to travel very far to get any ES

[opaque shale]

because i doubt that only 2 people created threads in the last 7 hours and mods are manually approving posts, but thats just a guess

[hazy quarry]

Which meant you often had to venture into monk land

[thorny blaze]

in the leaks thread on reddit they said it would be the only place that allowed leaks, though

[river pier]

might not have to do a fucking expensive ass hybrid ES/EV build now

[rough dagger]

The reddit is likely being heavily monitored now

to avoid leaks

there is a leaks megathread

[hazy quarry]

That is my point yes, you might be able to run a pure Evasion/deflect build now

Without these point wise expensive incursions into monkland

[river pier]

Thank God

[opaque shale]

ar/ev and pure ev finally viable options.. maybe

[hazy quarry]

exactly which is why I think this is a good thing

[opaque shale]

but if you can get 100% deflect on es/ev hybrid then it will still be the best option

[thorny blaze]

I do wonder what items will include the deflect stat, though

bucklers seems obvious

[rough dagger]

Blue life nerf 🙏

[hazy quarry]

deflect is dex based from what I gathered

because it scales from accuracy

enemy accuracy that is

[river pier]

I really hope they do something about attribute requirements this patch

[keen copper]

great point!

[hazy quarry]

Why? I think 0.2 was in a good spot for the classes I played (merc, ranger, witch)

[rough dagger]

Attribute requirements are a big pain

[river pier]

Maybe bc the builds I played, but attribute reqs were a big pain point

[opaque shale]

but you having high evasion doesnt mean the enemy has lower accuracy. or am i cooked

[rough dagger]

when you want to use a skill from an adjacent class

[thorny blaze]

yea, but what items will it be innate on? cause the current armor layouts is strictly armor/eva/es and it's hybrids. things like Block are shield only, and I kind thing Deflect might be a stat for specfic kinds of items

[river pier]

had to have massive investment to make certain builds work

I just think they're a bit too high

[rough dagger]

Or at least let me delevel a skill to not need the attribute requirement

[thorny blaze]

ohh i didn't see this

[hazy quarry]

Someone correct me if I am wrong but as I understood it your evasion is based on the enemies accuracy, so it first determines if you are hit, and if you are hit then it rolls if you deflect

[thorny blaze]

i believe you are right, plus eva has diminishing returns

[hazy quarry]

yep

[thorny blaze]

and it doesn't defend against AOEs/ground attacks

without acrobatics, anyways

[hazy quarry]

Yes, wheras deflect does

so deflect only rolls for deflect aka for the mitigation so you still always take 60% of the damage, even if you deflect.

unless you have acrobatics ofc

[thorny blaze]

so deflect is a component of evasion, then?

[hazy quarry]

I understood it as it being its own stat

[frosty eagle]

Own stat but based on enemy accuracy

[austere mango]

No druid

[hazy quarry]

They did not say no class though

but I expect none to be clear

but they explicitly said "no druid"

[thorny blaze]

where'd yall get those specific details? the kami leak is a little vague

[rough dagger]

The leaker said no Druid, so I expect all of Templar/Marauder/Duelist/Shadow

only fair

[hazy quarry]

lol

[sly gorge]

deflect is just suppression for all hits

[hazy quarry]

yeah its basically poe1 spell surpressing but with a different flavour

[frosty eagle]

Which leaker said that? The French Kami guy?

[austere mango]

All classes except druid will release

[hazy quarry]

Kami guy said no druid yes

[rough dagger]

The no Druid part. yes

not the 4 classes part

[sly gorge]

also I think they're reworking turtle charm because the leak said all hits except for telegraphed unblockable boss attacks will be blockable now?

[rough dagger]

But he didn't say no Marauder, why? Ha?

[quiet glen]

active block*

[frosty eagle]

Well thats a shame

[thorny blaze]

ohhh I see, so would that make it a mod only rollable on evasion gear? plus the passive tree?

[sly gorge]

can't active block already do that? turtle charm is all hits can be blocked while shield is not raised

[hazy quarry]

Nah I expect it to roll on any Evasion or hybrid base and maybe even armor bases

but that is just me speculating mind you

[quiet glen]

raise shield only protects against strikes and projectiles

[thorny blaze]

https://www.poewiki.net/wiki/Spell_suppression

Looking at this, it looks like deflect is a juiced up version of it, you're right!

[thorny blaze]

shows up on smaller shields there, as base items, and then on uniques

and as modifiers in general, cool

love it

[hazy quarry]

The funny thing is initially in Poe1 this was introduced because of player power creep

now its because of mobs that are too strong for players :p

because of the defensive nerfs from 0.2

[quiet glen]

spell suppress was introduced cause spell dodge got removed

[opaque shale]

i wish spell suppression didnt exist in poe1 tbh

[obtuse moon]

does anyone have a full image rip of this

[thorny blaze]

POE2 is designed purposefully from the knowledge of player power creep they gained in POE1 haha

[hazy quarry]

That is what I was eluding to indeed 🙂

[native bone]

Marauder gang rise

[kindred prawn]

i hate this, in what world is evasion the worst when armor exists tf

[opaque shale]

you'll get ele reduction based on armour

[quiet glen]

there are pdfs posted here

[terse saffron]

Da hell is this

[kindred prawn]

that doesnt solve this issue that armor's phys reduction is garbage unless you spend hella currency

[obtuse moon]

are they in the pinneds?

[hazy quarry]

Because evasion is you take the full hit, and the issue are not spike hits that kill but stuff like simulacrum where its lots of small hits

[frail dew]

yeah, not every defence is perfect lol

[hazy quarry]

which armor can tank a lot better

[paper glade]

it's photoshop

[frail dew]

you can find a flaw about any of them

[thorny blaze]

yup!

[hazy quarry]

Also its an additional layer of defense for any class that can invest a bit in dex

[quiet glen]

nah, but you can search for files

[opaque shale]

if they dont remove the monster affix where enemies can break your armour they are trolling though

[kindred prawn]

what im getting at is that armour isn't just "not perfect" adding ele to it just means the thing it is supposed to solve it doesnt solve

[final shuttle]

unless es hasn't change, you run ES/eva , get deflect = better than any warrior

[frail dew]

well yeah, because now the thing it's supposed to solve is different

[hazy quarry]

I think its less ES that changed and more that armor and Evasion both got buffed

[frail dew]

and it solves small hits

its not supposed to solve big hits

[thorny blaze]

unfortunately I don't get that sense that a total armor rework is in the cards. I think GGG is mostly looking to alter the foundations and nuances of existing mechanics before launch

[kindred prawn]

then what is the solve for physical damage? how is a mace character supposed to survive long animation times without being able to withstand phys

[thorny blaze]

but that's just me guessing

[terse saffron]

Evasion builds going immortal

[frail dew]

life + flat pdr + armour + block

[kindred prawn]

they have said in many interviews now that armour needed a rework before launch

[frail dew]

the leak literally demonstrates an armour rework

[opaque shale]

maybe the evasion character with flat 40% DR from deflect can tank it though 😄

[kindred prawn]

ooooooooo lemme see where is it 😄

[frail dew]

a.k.a. i cant believe armour wont fix my failing marriage

[thorny blaze]

they did? i missed that! you remember where?

[frail dew]

applying to ele damage is a rework

it changes it from "only defends againsts small phys hits"

[kindred prawn]

the interview leading up to 0.2 i believe and with ziggy D

[frail dew]

to defends against all small hits

that's huge

[kindred prawn]

THANK GOD!

[frail dew]

yeah

[kindred prawn]

but still makes phys an issue :/

[opaque shale]

armour wasnt even in that bad of a state, the absolute worst state is ar/ev hybrid since low armour values basically do nothing

[thorny blaze]

you're not wrong, rework is probably the wrong word and I should've used redo

[frail dew]

that's fine

get flat pdr

[kindred prawn]

armour at top end wasnt that bad, but early maps as an armour character was horrid

[frail dew]

it rolls on armour bases

get block

[thorny blaze]

also, the movement penalty when having a shield up has been reduced

[frail dew]

if evasion is effective against phys, block is as well

[opaque shale]

that wasnt my experience in 0.1

[thorny blaze]

would be nice if spears would allow basic attacks behind a shield

[shrewd geyser]

whether or not that affix ends up being good really depends on whether or not they made it apply before or after resists though

[thorny blaze]

pokey pokey

[frail dew]

yeah, can't believe armour doesnt fix everything by itself oh no

[kindred prawn]

e.g now you cant run armour and 2 handed 🙂 there is no world where armour being bad at phys reduction is acceptable, just saying

[sly gorge]

your long animation attacks should be the payoff attacks you use when the boss is heavy stunned

[frail dew]

giants blood?

[sly gorge]

a full suit of heavy metal armour would not stop you from dying to the force of a truck ramming into you

[frail dew]

and i feel like ur just moving the goalpost

[kindred prawn]

that isnt 2 handed

[frail dew]

in terms of armour fixes

[opaque shale]

i dont know how armour feels without block though. i always used a shield.. never even bothered to try 2hand or dual wield

[frail dew]

???

you mean dual wield?

[kindred prawn]

nothing in this game is about realism

[kindred prawn]

no, 2 handed, using 1 weapons that is a 2 handed weapon

a very basic archetype

[thorny blaze]

wha? anyone who moves from 0 mph to 60 mph in under a second is going to be very, very hurt

and vice verse

[frail dew]

giant's blood!

you can do that and have a shield

[thorny blaze]

oh you said NOT

god i have reading comprehension problems

[kindred prawn]

... i dont think you are understanding what im saying but whatever

[leaden hemlock]

What if there was a skill that gave you a barrier based on your armour amount, like spectral ward

[opaque shale]

i dont think its a good solution to shoehoren every melee build into giants blood and force them to wear a shield

[sly gorge]

warbringer has encase in jade for tanking slams

[kindred prawn]

they honestly just need to make the armour phys dmg reduction falloff less extreme

[leaden hemlock]

Lol I'm making fun of not having molten shell

[frail dew]

even if you want to 2h without giants blood, sure, armour can be supplemented by flat pdr rolls and sources of phys taken as, which is conveniently on smith

[sly gorge]

they really just need to let us stack more life in the endgame

[frail dew]

it's not like anything else fully solves big phys

[sly gorge]

I don't mind entering maps with 2k life but getting to 4k shouldn't be so hard

[leaden hemlock]

After 1.8k hours POE2 I went poe1 for 200 hours and holy shit using a 2h axe and no shield is a blast

And I don't need 600+ strength

[kindred prawn]

if there was synergy between life and armour, then yes this could actually solve the problem

[naive furnace]

We still haven't seen the teased trade/crafting updates

[frail dew]

evasion will just die sometimes, and just because es is better at it relative to small hits doesnt mean it's good against it in the first place

[sly gorge]

my 0.1 titan was able to tank every t4 xesht slam

which are the biggest phys hits in the game

with just life and armour and a bit of extra pdr

[frail dew]

str gives life; high armour bases require a lot of str

[terse saffron]

0.1 titan was amazing

[thorny blaze]

i agree, the only reason ES is superior is scalability, yea?

[shrewd falcon]

they havent said anything about eye of winter?

[frail dew]

es isnt superior by pure concepts, it's just a numbers thing

[kindred prawn]

whatever you say, not what i meant.

[native bone]

ggg contacted the leaker before he could get to sorc

[sly gorge]

the problem I have is that you have to stack extra str for a good life pool which also pushes everyone to play giant's blood

[frail dew]

to say it suggests that dex and evasion and int and es have huge synergies or something

[obtuse moon]

thats not synergy though. armor is reliant on having str and str gives life but that's not an interaction it's a prerequisite

[shrewd falcon]

hope looking lowk bleak

[terse saffron]

I mean you just can't play warrior without a shield

[thorny blaze]

yea that's what I mean, most builds max their life out at 3-4k, ES numbers bump that way up, and the Life benefits from Str seem a little low in comparison

[obtuse moon]

yeah but what's the fun in that yknow

[hazy quarry]

And now look at evasion builds which had less EHP then most ES builds

[sly gorge]

the main thing armour is good for is not getting stunned as melee warrior

[frail dew]

3-4k?? a warrior with that range is a disgrace

[obtuse moon]

shield skills are fun

[hazy quarry]

Warriors really should stop moaning honestly

[opaque shale]

tahts the whole problem though.. why cant i play a 2 hander without a shield. i mean you can but then you are trolling

[frail dew]

like yeah, if you ignore all the other things you can do abt phys, armour sucks against big phys

[kindred prawn]

they dont need it because they have the intended effect of preventing a percentage of the hits. Armour at midgame does not serve its purpose sufficiently to support archetypes it is made for without those archetypes one shotting everything

[sly gorge]

more sources of pdr and phys taken as x will also solve the issues

[leaden hemlock]

Whats the lore reason for elemental hits not following the same formula for reduced effectiveness

[kindred prawn]

true, if they add more sources

[thorny blaze]

i meant builds in general, not just str. all builds can scale ES pretty high

[frail dew]

yeah, and you dont think making it apply to ele damage will change it at all?

[sly gorge]

PoB warriors only care about big single hits because that's all they can think in terms of

[opaque shale]

melee would probably be more fun if giants blood didnt exist

[frail dew]

the fact that it doesn't get the job done?

[terse saffron]

Because it's not poe 1

[opaque shale]

mace*

[sly gorge]

they have no idea how the game actually feels to play

[kindred prawn]

no, because it was always easier to max res than to get the same resistence against relevant hits of phys

it solved a problem they dont have

[native bone]

Ya know maybe they are deleting it, we haven't sent passive tree chamges

[frail dew]

what if you did both lol, that's how you build defences

ele damage is the majority of damage in the game

[thorny blaze]

i think adding the ele dmg change with armor, and a small buff to the amount of life the strength attribute gives, would really round it out

[wise grotto]

If armor in 0.3 applies after rez, sure. That would be cool.

[kindred prawn]

sure, but it means the whole purpose of armor is still not solved. I would rather armor have nothing to do with elemental than have it not function properly on its own against phys like it does now

[obtuse moon]

i mean they said that its gonna be done via passives right? the only passive we have that operates like that is i think 15% of armor applies to fire damage. and it's abysmal dogshit and hardly anyone uses it

[frail dew]

whole purpose? why do you insist that its purpose is different from what it is?

it is NOT for big phys hits

it is not for big hits in general.

so yes, even now it fulfills its purpose.

[kindred prawn]

the mechanic's core function is physical mitigation wtf are you talking about

[sly gorge]

Armour in PoE 1 was never for big hits either

[sly gorge]

*against small hits

[frail dew]

if that purpose is too narrow, too weak, then good - they just expanded that purpose.

[frail dew]

it's build into the formula to be less effective against bigger hits.

[kindred prawn]

this is incorrect, in the midgame good armor still functioned against most hits to prevent one shots from phys

[frail dew]

do you think they made it less effective against bigger hits

[kindred prawn]

but in poe 2 the falloff is more extreme

[frail dew]

but didnt want it to be less effective against bigger hits

[sly gorge]

yeah when you had pdr from end charges and fortify and such

stop being silly

[kindred prawn]

they did, they made it even less effective against bigger hits than in poe 1

[sly gorge]

because that's not its purpose

[opaque shale]

in poe1 you stack 10 endus and a bunch of other flat phys reductions against big hits but pure armour without flat phys reduction is also worthless there

[frail dew]

yeah, so it's part of the purpose of armour.

[thorny blaze]

yea but now we have the roll mechanic!

[wise grotto]

Not really. It was supposed to be always a def against small hits. Two significant issues is that since we don't have spell suppress it feels bad against ele and that small hits sometimes are too big.

[thorny blaze]

i say that unironically

[frail dew]

it's best against small hits, and not so good against big hits. it's baked into the design and concept.

[sly gorge]

my smith of kitava went unwavering stance

[kindred prawn]

no i was doing fine before endurance charges did that, i dont use fortify

[sly gorge]

did all t4 bosses lol

[frail dew]

to suggest that doing exactly like that is somehow missing the mark doesn't make sense.

[kindred prawn]

it is nonfunctional against big hits, not just "not so good"

[spiral quiver]

Idk what these guys are on about, armor is atrocious in its current state

[sly gorge]

since bosses do their big hits very slowly as long as you survive it you can heal back up

[terse saffron]

We don't even know the changes to the skill tree and shit

[kindred prawn]

anyway if they buffed phys dmg reduction sources in some way then i will care, otherwise it solved zero issues to make it apply to ele

[thorny blaze]

the only mechanics in the game that are effective with big hits is life, ES, and rolling. ES just has crazy scalability right now compared to life.

[kindred prawn]

except life scaling just isnt functional but yeah

[frail dew]

if you only have one issue, then yeah, it didn't solve any issues. congrats.

[sly gorge]

ES is gonna get nerfed over and over

[thorny blaze]

yea that's my point

[kindred prawn]

ele wasnt an issue

[thorny blaze]

armor is not as broken as people think, it's life that's a little weak

[kindred prawn]

ye i agree life scaling needs help

[thorny blaze]

and ES is just crazy strong

[obtuse moon]

the problem with this is that this balance philosophy worked in 1 where most small enemies in mapping had small hits and the big hits were reserved for bosses whereas in poe2, you have enemies in maps that can chunk your health with boss slams. the overall volume of big hits has gone up and the overall methods of stacking armor and making big hits smaller via physred have gone down (no physred on chestplate, the highest tier str armors in 2 cap out at i believe mid 500s armor value whereas in 1 it was 700 something as the strongest pure armor base, no determination, endurance charges lost passive physred)

[kindred prawn]

i could concede that would help alot, but doesnt sound like its the case so far

[sly gorge]

if my warrior builds could have 20% more life I'd feel immortal lol

[frail dew]

neither was phys, at least relative to other defences

[kindred prawn]

THANK YOU!

[sly gorge]

you are not getting chunked by phys hits from rare enemies unless they take 3-5 business days to inform you that they're happening

[frail dew]

as in yeah es will be stronger, that's an es-life thing not an armour thing

[kindred prawn]

yeah i just disagree sorry it was always the issue i mainly run into on every warrior i played despite it being thematically the thing i should be strongest against.

[frail dew]

life-based evasion died to phys too

[sly gorge]

and even then you can full tank those hits with armour and life, they are only killing you because you are running double gain phys as ele map mods + -res lol

[kindred prawn]

life based evasion dies to everything because it relies on not getting hit. Or maybe i should throw your own logic back at you. "just build phys red and block"

[obtuse moon]

they might not do you in but yes they are going to break through a layer of armor that works against dinky small hits. especially if you have a couple enemies with big hits onscreen at once

[frail dew]

you can't build phys red because it rolls on armour bases lol

and my point is that it isnt comparitively worse

against other life-based defences

[pastel bluff]

phys ees felt nice in my shield but hard to slot in since I think it's a prefix and you want block chance and can also roll health

[kindred prawn]

then build block and the new mechanic. looks like they solved the existing blind spot in evasion, but not armour, almost like they arent being given the same attention

[kindred prawn]

now it is

[shrewd falcon]

super juiciing that box was worth it wtf

[oblique marsh]

so, was there a leak today that was then shut down? I saw people referencing something like that

[pastel bluff]

yea they're not.

[thorny blaze]

i mean it's no different than ES/Evasion, except that ES can make number big. I think everyone here is in slight agreement. There's multiple things to be addressed. The dmg reduction fall off with bigger hits on armor could be shored up. Life could use better scalability. Armor numbers themselves could stand a numbers buff.

[frail dew]

so it's only bad because evasion got buffed too much? lol

[sly gorge]

played with unwavering stance and never had an issue like you're describing

[pastel bluff]

need a bit more hp in the game that's all

[frail dew]

there are options for building defences in both cases

[kindred prawn]

agreed, it makes long animation attacks unusable against hordes. There goes any build that doesnt want to have to build cast or attack speed

[sly gorge]

why the fuck would you use long animation attacks for clearing

[queen musk]

Bruh warrior gonna be unkillable next patch

[sly gorge]

that's like trying to use your microwave as a coffee cup

[frail dew]

yep

[queen musk]

Hp is indeed not needed

[kindred prawn]

what do you think rolling slam was intended to be for?

[fathom mountain]

Ya French article. Had some juicy info its on reddit. If we go by the article They added sprinting for out of combat movement. If you get hit while sprinting your character falls to the ground.

[terse saffron]

Hopefully they reduce the mobs that break your armour

[thorny blaze]

other than CI builds, can any build in the game afford to stack a single defensive element alone? doesn't every build need to take advantage of a primary defense supplemented with a secondary?

[terse saffron]

[obtuse moon]

i'm hoping they give us a little more life on the passive tree

[sly gorge]

situational use like everything else

not brainless spam into reddit complaint thread

[kindred prawn]

great what is the situation 🙂

[thorny blaze]

me and Xantho posted the page downloads if you wanna hunt for them.

[sly gorge]

engaging from short distance into single pack or rare enemy

not clearing 'hordes'

[pallid oriole]

i can send you the pdfs if you want

[sly gorge]

you have stampede/leap slam/etc. for dealing with being surrounded by larger groups

I just cleared everything instantly in 0.2 with leap slam into boneshatter

[frail dew]

send me as well if you do

[sly gorge]

perfect strike for single target

[kindred prawn]

Jonathan Rogers Interview on Bilibili: Discusses the contrasting perceptions of armor and evasion between the Western and Chinese playerbases.
Dawn of the Hunt Interview Roundup: Mentions Mark's desire to reimagine armor and explores potential future updates.

[obtuse moon]

just equip trampletoes so that every skill is a horde clear skill

[sly gorge]

trampletoes is very good yeah

fun unique

need more like it

[obtuse moon]

i wish the visual was a bit more dramatic though

[fathom mountain]

Alot of cool leaks. Totems for grenades sounds interesting. Flamewood is back but its based on explode on death.

[sly gorge]

warrior has some issues but 80% of the complaints it gets are just people being morons when it comes to how they pilot it

'wahhh my payoff skill is slow to clear with' etc.

at least they're getting rid of the crit nonsense with sunder now

so you can RT it

[hazy quarry]

I am just happy that evade classes get some love on the defensive side

And I am now super torn on what to league start with. Ranger, Merc or Witch is in the race right now.

[sly gorge]

I wonder if mercs will be able to get 100% deflect comfortably

[fathom mountain]

Minions now always hit so no accuracy needed for them. Demonform now applies your weapons

[kindred prawn]

A specific dev interview following a stream, likely referencing a Patch 0.1.1 discussion for Path of Exile 2, contained the following statement:

"They are looking into it more for future patches, especially the physical damage that white mobs do and how that affects armour scaling based on damage." 

This statement directly acknowledges that GGG is investigating armor's effectiveness, particularly against the physical damage dealt by white (regular) mobs, and recognizes that the current scaling requires improvement.
For context, this was mentioned alongside a "roughly" 15% increase in armor effectiveness in version 0.1.1 of Path of Exile 2. This indicates that while an initial buff was implemented, the developers understand that further work is needed to address armor's performance against common enemies and its overall scaling dynamics.

[kindred prawn]

true i support it

[oblique marsh]

yes plz

[pallid oriole]

Yeah all of them seem tempting 😭

[sly gorge]

currently with just a bit of investment in armour (decent chest and maybe 5-10 passive points) you pretty much solve all incoming phys dmg outside of super telegraphed boss slams

[kindred prawn]

me too 😄

[hazy quarry]

With the cannon a grenade build might be fun to play with

[sly gorge]

the real issue is that enemies can still armour break you

[hazy quarry]

maybe even some funky grenadier build with tactician

[fathom mountain]

Unique support gems is really cool as well.

[thorny blaze]

i'm waiting to see how summon changes pan out. they sound good on paper but it also seems like a very tricky problem to solve with meaningful gameplay busting up your skeles

[hazy quarry]

I never understood that though. Minion builds are by design passive

and that is okay imho.

Its their whole stick

[pallid oriole]

well yeah that's the whole point of playing minions

[fathom mountain]

I think it'll be active enough if you want with unearth now being usable on your own minions.

[hazy quarry]

yeah that is a great change especially for bossing

[thorny blaze]

well yea for sure, but with big hits and slams, and encounter design based around dodging them, skeles will just eat em to the face and dirt nap

i get that weapon set points and stuff like that are designed around a different loadout between maps and bosses, but loadouts for summons is trickier

[hazy quarry]

my big issue with minion witch is that the build window is excruciatingly narrow

any minion build in 0.1 and 0.2 took the same nodes

regardless of what minion you used you always took the same nodes

[sly gorge]

I swear most people don't know how to use weapon swap points on warrior

[magic gale]

https://youtu.be/enc3k1QxFcw?si=tZTiOqEt5MahQhTr

LEAKS

STRAIGHT OUTTA GGG

Community team wanted in on the action

[pallid oriole]

ty sir

[sly gorge]

this is for one of those interludes

[thorny blaze]

really? it's the only class i use them on haha

[sly gorge]

yeah people take the reduced aps nodes on their clearing setup and such

[thorny blaze]

yea pretty much. it's a good idea and I hope it gets more utility with all builds

that or I get smart enough to use them to their full potential

big if

[rough dagger]

Hot

[twin timber]

so , no new class

?

[thorny blaze]

nothing is known at this time

leaks didn't include any mentions of a new class

[twin timber]

well then we gotta wait till tomorrow

[thorny blaze]

so is Doryani leading folks into the Ziggurat that we land in after the fall?

can't be the fall though, that was like all fiery and stuff, wasn't it? this is in winter

[stuck moss]

I think it's a scene from one of the interludes

[quiet glen]

leaks did include that druid isnt coming

[thorny blaze]

good catch!

[quiet glen]

also yes, the teaser shows the door that we got in the interludes

[thorny blaze]

Goyani - the mirror form of Doryani (who's french)

[quiet glen]

inayrod

[thorny blaze]

need a Doryani anagram like Alva

[kindred prawn]

https://tenor.com/view/in-the-arms-of-an-angel-gif-1379884572900905734

[river pier]

Is that good or bad

[thorny blaze]

people seem to love TOTA so ... good?

[quiet glen]

yes

[split valley]

"INTERLUDES - NO MORE ACT 1-3 REPEAT YESSSS" what does this mean?

whats interludes?

[quiet glen]

nobody loved tota

[thorny blaze]

ok nvm

[pallid oriole]

act 1-4 as usual, then 3 interludes instead of doing a repeat of previous acts

[river pier]

Both our current trials suck so i hope tota is good

[thorny blaze]

Interludes replace Cruel

[chilly onyx]

I bet we are still getting either marauder or shadow. I be my left nut on it

[pallid oriole]

i'm holding you up to that

[split valley]

im uh still confused on what an interlude is

[thorny blaze]

i like Sekhemas, it's got some depth to it. Trials is a bit one note

[twin timber]

i just want a new class to play with thats all , ah and fight the guy from the games pcitures (the viking -celtic one )

[split valley]

is an interlude not an act?

[thorny blaze]

John pretty much said Shadow was a long ways off

[split valley]

like, what IS it

[pallid oriole]

it's a short act

[river pier]

Some video i saw thinks it’s marauder bc apparently marauder is linked to the act 4 zone or some shit

[pallid oriole]

a short story

[split valley]

ah

[pallid oriole]

it's only meant to bring you from 60 to 65

[split valley]

i see, that makes sense

[thorny blaze]

that's literally the only reason it's speculated, there's be no leaks about it

[twin timber]

and marauder is another warrior , right , nah we need shadow or druid at least

[thorny blaze]

bro look at the PDF i uploaded! it's all the leaked info about them we have

[chilly onyx]

It’s a temporary act so we don’t have to do cruel that are substitutes for acts 5 and 6

[river pier]

either they rebalanced levelling in acts, or act 4 is as long as 1-3 bc ur supposed to be lvl 60 after act 4?

[thorny blaze]

it's totally not 1337 hax i promise

[kindred prawn]

who is ready for the phys spell item bases 😄 exsanguinate and reap here we come

[river pier]

im ready for witch changes!

unless there's a new class!

[kindred prawn]

https://tenor.com/view/cancelled-school-college-freedom-gif-19438561

[lime python]

monk in poe2 is proabably my favorite, i hope the unarmed ascendancy is a real thing

[kindred prawn]

oh me too, i would love an unarmed spell slinger 😄

[river pier]

can't wait to see the 7 direction nerf to Lightning spear

[stone kelp]

So what do the current leaks say about what classes we will see next patch (if any)?

[fathom mountain]

No mention of druid

but thats assuming it was full leaks.

[final shuttle]

it's leaning towards no class

[pallid oriole]

it's not full leaks

[final shuttle]

but who knows

[river pier]

i rlly hope they make some meaningful end game changhes...

[stone kelp]

Hmm seems like we dont really know then

[pallid oriole]

only 20 or so hours to go 😭

[elfin jasper]

would be really funny if they instead removed huntress from the game

[twin timber]

if they dont release new class is going down

[pallid oriole]

what

[pallid oriole]

why would a new class have this much influence xdd

[formal sky]

Did leaker ever state what the big change to trading was

[stone kelp]

I honestly wouldnt be too bothered if they didnt release a new class if they focused on more balance adjustments and stuff

[native bone]

Doryani contingency is giving delve vibes

[stone kelp]

and some of the other issues

[final shuttle]

nothing on trading

[twin timber]

because having a new act or (interlude) its not that interesting , nobody cares about the story , if you dont put new mechanics you may as well go to other game thats how it works

[keen copper]

new skills are very important I agree

and by december it will have been 8 months without a new class

[pallid oriole]

most people i've talked to care more about acts than a new class being released

[formal sky]

Actually insane take, the interludes give us a ridiculous amount of bosses and content

[keen copper]

that is a LONG GAP

[pallid oriole]

like that's an insane take xD

[eternal delta]

Hard disagree interludes look goated

[hazy quarry]

Yeah leaks focused on class changes and such and did not get thorugh even those. Monk and Sorc were still missing.
Nothing about new ascendancies, nothing about trade.
Nothing about the league either.
It was cut short because they got bonked by GGG.

[twin timber]

bosses that will melt away by the generic lighting build

[keen copper]

Both can be correct, the new Interludes look good and its also bad that were not getting a new class.

its not "INSANE" to have this take

[formal sky]

Oh so you're THAT pessimist

[keen copper]

its just objective that most of the ppl want a new class to play

[pallid oriole]

delulu much huh

[keen copper]

nothing wrong with saying that

[hazy quarry]

Going from your personal opinion to objective is a take alright

[pallid oriole]

but that's the thing, not most people want a new class ?

[hazy quarry]

A bad take yes, but a take

[native bone]

I think interludes will be replayable activities in the end game like Ultimatum/sanctum.

The doryani contagium revolves around some group of vaal who retreated to the mountains thousand of years ago and they have probably built and entire civilization there, now in the future it looks like we will clean it up. It's honestly giving delve

[keen copper]

why are you taking it personally, im not trying to be negative im just stating something

its not a big deal

[formal sky]

Honestly from what I saw before Kami took things down, unique endgame support gems that can only be dropped from their associated bosses, support gems going to 5 levels, tiered system for them, AND removing the "can't use one gem on multiple skills" restriction already makes this a W update for me

[keen copper]

its not like the league wont be good if there isnt a class

they just have to deliver on everything else

those gems are going to be incredibly expensive, one of them is is enhance support and empower all rolled into one

[formal sky]

Like just the support gem changes add so much to build diversity

[keen copper]

so depending on the economy, hopefully its not too crazy

[pallid oriole]

I'm surprised people are that focused on a new class, surely with all the different ascendancies and spells you have not found the time to play everything to end game

[thorny blaze]

reeeeeally speaking for yourself there, man

[hazy quarry]

You would know if I take personally. I just take umbrage to someone claiming something is objectivcely a given way with no evidence beyond their own opinion. I do not appreciate this post fact bullshit.

[formal sky]

Bruh act like I don't already know, but at least they're (hopefully) farmable even if low drop rate

[thorny blaze]

i love the lore, the discord needs a lore channel

[keen copper]

youre taking this way too seriously

hopefully abyss will pop off

and endgame changes will be good

[formal sky]

I wonder if the unique Untainted Paradise map was biome testing for Act 4

[keen copper]

steaming springs might be

[hazy quarry]

I mean there is a decent chance that the unique maps were taking from later acts

at least the tilesets

[thorny blaze]

i'm pretty sure there's some act 5 maps added in too

[hazy quarry]

untainted paradise in particular has new assets yes but generation wise its very similar to the other beach map

dont remember the name of the top of my head what its called.

[thorny blaze]

isn't there a map that looks like a rundown oriath?

wait no nvm, i'm thinking of an act 1 map around the Iron Citadels

the mountaintop maps is def a different act though

[split valley]

leaks say theres an act 4, but not a 5 and 6, right?

[thorny blaze]

correct

[pallid oriole]

yep

god i am so hyped

[formal sky]

Correct, but scrapping Cruel for three "mini act" interludes to progress to endgame from 60 to 65

[frosty eagle]

The stuff that has leaked I am all on board with.... except the no support gem restrictions. At least the new Lineage support gems cant be repeated

[magic gale]

Seems a tad strange that you'd get all the way to 60 in just Act 4. I wonder if it'll be more like 55-65

But the leak did look legit

[formal sky]

Wait why endorse the support gem restriction, not being able to use the same gem on multiple skills was such a chore

[thorny blaze]

really? whats your take?

[frosty eagle]

That it was good that you couldn't repeat support gems

[quiet glen]

i mean, the last teaser shows the third interlude

[magic gale]

I don't doubt the interlude stuff. Just musing on the level ranges

[formal sky]

I'm wondering if this "retooling" is also soft confirming XP scaling changes

[quiet glen]

yea we will see

[frosty eagle]

WITH THE CAVEAT that their original intention was that support gems were more powerfuk

[thorny blaze]

yea but your reasoning? i'm genuinely curious btw, i've only heard people praising the change for build flexibility

[frosty eagle]

In 0.2 they did a massive nerf-festival on the support gems so they went back on their vision

[hazy quarry]

it is, the teaser we just saw confirms it

since the teaser even mentioned the interlude by name

[magic gale]

I was just talking about the level ranges

Not the content, the content is real for sure

[hazy quarry]

ah sorry mb

[formal sky]

Yea but now non-unique supp gems have tiered power levels

[hazy quarry]

misread you there mb

[thorny blaze]

act 4 may be super mega huge and acts 5-6 relatively short in comparison, maybe act 4 gets us most of the way to mapping level

[elfin jasper]

hm it makes you search for other gems, I like it this way, more fun, more varietzy

[pallid oriole]

act 4 woulnd't be huge considering we'll get act 5 and 6 later

[hazy quarry]

act 4 is said to be long

[pallid oriole]

the level range is probably wrong

[hazy quarry]

act 6 is said to be rather short

[frosty eagle]

If being able to use different, unique builds was predicated on using the same support gems across then we would see more builds thru the helmet and gemling

[pallid oriole]

i mean TOO huge *

[hazy quarry]

act 4 was said to be long even back at exilecon

[frosty eagle]

There are way too few builds that actually required the use of same support gems

What is realistically going to happen is that less overall support gems get used like in PoE1

[hazy quarry]

I could give you at least 4 builds where I would have welcomed it

[runic fox]

Am I crazy or wasn't this channel called "spoilers" or something like that?

[thorny blaze]

fair, with gemling it was almost exclusively stat stacking in 0.1. but I also think it's a symptom of lack of build diversity (in a meta sense)

[hazy quarry]

not even talking about builds where it would enable a new build entierly

[formal sky]

Bruh just let me have Martial Tempo on Poisonburst and Gas Arrow

[frosty eagle]

Welcome it is different than requires it, every build can use the same support gems

[pallid oriole]

it doesn't require them because it wasn't possible to use them

[frosty eagle]

Like the Jungroan Ember Fusillade build REQUIRES use of same support gems

[frosty eagle]

It was possoble with helmet or gemling

I am saying if any builds required that we would see more usage of that item or ascendancy

[thorny blaze]

both of those leaned pretty heavy into the bottom left of the passive tree though. this opens it up to all classes

[frosty eagle]

Being able to use multiple supports is mostly going to be a raw power level increase of builds

[formal sky]

...which most builds needed?

[frosty eagle]

In that case one can argue it promotes build diversity because it allows multi button builds to be better

[formal sky]

The #1 complaint of 0.2 on release was every build besides LS was doing piss poor damage

[frosty eagle]

But its not going to allow you to do that much more damage than a 1 button build anyway

[thorny blaze]

yea but that was a little histrionic. most builds did fine, LS was just gonzo powerful

[frosty eagle]

You already used your best supports on your best skill

[keen copper]

hopefully the skill tree is seeing a big overhaul as well

[formal sky]

It is

[frosty eagle]

With the support restriction you had to use off meta supports or utility supports

[keen copper]

confirmed where?

[fleet rain]

deepest tower builds going to go crazy if you can put execute support on every skill you want

[thorny blaze]

i think with the ability to use support gems willy nilly we're going to end up seeing a major pass on all support gems costs and requirements. could be a monkeys paw situation

[compact pier]

It’s so good for minion builds

[formal sky]

Kami leaks mentioned big passive skill tree changes but nothing in particular, lemme see if I can find it on an archive

[compact pier]

Was annoying because u actually wanted to use the gems on a lot of skills

[frosty eagle]

But again... I am accepting this change because GGG already went back on their vision.. which was that they greatly nerfed support gems. If support gems were powerful (and restricted to one) it would have made sense but the Lineage supports have take up that slot now

[hazy quarry]

yeah passive tree has some shakeups

so assuming anything 0.2 will not hold

[frosty eagle]

I hope this is true.. there would be even more unusable support gems otherwise

[keen copper]

you saw them?

[formal sky]

I mean the Lineage support gems still fit your description; you can't run more than one of them because unique supp gem, and you can't craft them because they're specifically dropped

[thorny blaze]

i've posted PDFs of every page of the Kami leaks, passive tree gets mentioned for multple changes but an overall statement on the amount of changes wasn't stated

[frosty eagle]

The problem with a lot of archetypes was that they simply didnt have enough support gems for their archetype to make the system work

[hazy quarry]

No but the french leak did mention that the tree got a big shakeup and it lines up with what was filtered out from the chinese event

we know that there is a shekup but not what exactly it is

[frosty eagle]

Yeah thats why I said I am ok with it assuming supports are overall weaker and lineage are powerful but restricted

[formal sky]

Which was what I was saying xD

[thorny blaze]

one of the stated goals for 0.3 was the amount of skills not being used. I've heard they're also dialing back the combo specific gameplay. I expect lots of big changes to gems aside from what has leaked

[rugged edge]

That’s probably good news given the lessons they’ve probably learned

[thorny blaze]

and what has leaked is already substantial

[frosty eagle]

Nothing in the leaks said dialing back on combos, in fact a lot of combo abilities were made stronger

[hazy quarry]

We are are now getting to what I have been saying all league. That 0.3 will tone down the difficulty and piss of the "make it more dark souls" crowd

[pallid oriole]

I love how GGG actually listens and is down to change their views

[opal phoenix]

The French website had an article (now deleted, idk if it was ever uploaded) saying:

« Some leaks reveals the Druid class and some other ascendancies before 0.3 »

THE WEBSITE THAT LEAKED EVERYTHING

[thorny blaze]

yea it wasn't in leaks specifically, just a rumor i heard

[frosty eagle]

Jonathan said himself, not a rumor

[magic gale]

he was pontificating on other people's news at that time. He later clarified after the press event that Druid isn't coming.

[frosty eagle]

He said he wanted more skills to be viable solo but also wanted the actual combo skills to be punchier

[hazy quarry]

yeah they said they would make more skills viable "on their own"

[naive furnace]

PoE2 is....................... Saved

[keen copper]

a core tenet of ARPG builds dating all the way back to Diablo is 1 button builds, and its absolutely beautiful. Nothing wrong with 1 button builds

[quiet glen]

kami specifically had "no druid in 0.3" in the leaks

[keen copper]

some of the most fun ive ever had is with those builds

they should still alow for some of that

[frosty eagle]

Combos are cool; I just dont want to use a combo on every pack. Using combos on bosses or even tankier rares is cool

[thorny blaze]

i actually skipped posting these two, sorry guys

[keen copper]

like Im all for sprinting but I have a feeling it will just lead to bigger movement speed changes later

maybe its not, but stuff like this is usually a bandaid

dont get me wrong ill sprint like a champ

[frosty eagle]

I just see it as a Quicksilver button

[keen copper]

😭

[frosty eagle]

I hope there is a toggle tho

Like toggle option

[keen copper]

im just hoping it isnt clunky af

[thorny blaze]

i also don't know why white text on light grey was used in the Lineage article. It's not a dark mode artifact as I've disabled it for Kamis site

Edit: Xantho posted some as well, search him

all the rest of the leaked pages I posted a while back so feel free to search for them, always a chance Fairshadow changes their mind on this channel 😄

[quiet glen]

the toggle is pressing space bar

sprint is what happens if you keep pressing space bar after a roll

[outer cedar]

Wow, SPRINT?

[thorny blaze]

yup it was leaked

[outer cedar]

0.3 looks absolutely insane

crazy how many things they can still pull off after so many years

and they're all basegame additions

[pallid oriole]

What amazes me is how open they are to listening to their community and deciding to change on their developping ideas/directions

[outer cedar]

They listened??? lmao finally, no more railroad builds

[hazy quarry]

yeah we do not even know about any of the ascendancies that we get, nor about the league mechanic nor about trade changes.

so much stuff still to learn in 22 hours

[pallid oriole]

i cannot wait for the reveal

[frosty eagle]

There will still be railroad builds

[outer cedar]

same here

but the 9 days after the reveal will hurt to wait

[frosty eagle]

I keep hearing mixed statements about sprint

[outer cedar]

yeah true, but we've got a long long way until final release

they might aswell keep the game behind a paywall bcs of how much work it goes into this

[hazy quarry]

But I think its very clear now which direction Poe2 will go towards, and I personally could not be happier. They made the right calls.

[frosty eagle]

Is it:

A) You hold down Dodge button and sprint.

Or

B) You hold down the button, you first dodge THEN you Sprint.

I much prefer A because thats how it is in most games

[keen copper]

we will see if theyre the right calls

[fathom mountain]

B

[keen copper]

noone has played it yet

but they do look promising

[fathom mountain]

from how it was described

[frosty eagle]

That would be a bit clunky tho still better than what we have

[pallid oriole]

B

[hazy quarry]

No we havent but its very clear on display where their design direction is going

[fathom mountain]

I think sprint is going to be the middle ground between the spear rake tech from last league.

[outer cedar]

also no druid?? now imagine the leaks are fake

pros: druid and abyss mechanic
cons: another 0.2 situation where the league is a bunch of nothing

[wispy mortar]

The armor "buff" looks so weak.

[frosty eagle]

Since we have a sprint button, I hope they cam now make some of the mobility spear like Thunder Spear less clunky to use

[outer cedar]

at least they're doing something to it, I see it as a win

[fathom mountain]

from a leaked screenshot floating around armor can roll phys as ele mods.

[outer cedar]

leaked ss?

where

[pulsar sedge]

We don't have the full picture, but either way, Armor generally isn't meant to solve large physical hits

[thorny blaze]

it can, it's part of the warrior page leak from Kami

[fathom mountain]

saw on reddit earlier dont have on me

[pallid oriole]

do you need the pdfs ?

[pulsar sedge]

The screenshot I saw was armour applying to elemental as well, not phys taken as ele which is what you implied.

[fathom mountain]

ah my mistake

[thorny blaze]

images broke when the page was taken down

[outer cedar]

yeah, send all in dm.

[outer cedar]

insane

[gritty bison]

Can someone post warrior-related changes?

[thorny blaze]

i've posted all of the PDFs to this chat, except Warrior

[gritty bison]

thanks

[keen copper]

Thanks @pallid oriole

youre the 🐐

[clear temple]

If we only get 1 true act and no new exile, after 5 months? I'm going to be pissssed

[pallid oriole]

why ?

we get act 4 + interludes, that's hundreds of new monsters + bosses

we get major changes

[fathom mountain]

unique supports as well

[clear temple]

Why on earth put dev time into interludes instead of the true act 5?

[pallid oriole]

and we do not know yet about ascendancies and all the other stuff

because act 5 isn't ready ?

[frosty eagle]

Interludes probably rehashed content anyway so probably not a lot of dev time

[young kettle]

I think it's pretty good. Sounds like many want constant Leap Slams and Flame dashes still.

[frosty eagle]

Its either we get interludes or we gotta do campaign again

[clear temple]

Not sure that makes it any better tbh

[fathom mountain]

I would argue no cruel is the step in the right direction

[clear temple]

It's embarrassing that those are our options

[frosty eagle]

Its better because you arent doing cruel and its way shorter

[winged geyser]

game is cooked

[pallid oriole]

jesus people just cannot be happy can they xdd

[frosty eagle]

I mean its obviously a temporary measure, dont think too hard about it

[fathom mountain]

its early access with more content than the average full release arpg? I dont see how its embarassing

[pulsar sedge]

Because that ends up being used for endgame content.

[outer cedar]

there's also these from gamescom 2023

[frosty eagle]

Act 5 isn't ready otherwise they would have put it in

[outer cedar]

suppression will be big IF they get it in poe2

[clear temple]

We got one exile and no true act in 0.2
We wait 4-5 months and get one true act?

[frosty eagle]

Attacks snd spells arent separated so Deflect is already suppression

[pallid oriole]

Yes, idk why you're that shocked about it

[frosty eagle]

Deflect was MUCH needed btw

Actually meta changing

[winged geyser]

its embarrasing

[pallid oriole]

it took years before poe1 saw new acts, and they're way shorter

[pulsar sedge]

If you think that's not enough, please make your own next generation ARPG. Software development doesn't work like the way you want it to work.

[young kettle]

** Shield Charge **Longer cooldown, and increased damage based on distance traveled. hmm. I've been enjoying this skill but the linger cooldown is right up GGG's alley and phylosophy of not spamming movement skills in POE2. I would think Leapg Slam will get a nerf

[clear temple]

Because I was one of the few people who believed a single release date that ever left Jonathans mouth

Now that I have no idea when full release is, I'm far less interested in the game

[pulsar sedge]

Understandable, see you in a year then.

[formal sky]

this mfer wants poe2 on a cartridge

[pallid oriole]

What was that release date ?

[hardy vale]

0.3 isn't just a new act theres so much other stuff coming its gonna be huge

[pallid oriole]

there was no confirmed/set release date

[winged geyser]

what stuff? druid? oh wait

[pallid oriole]

https://tenor.com/view/bait-cat-is-this-bait-cat-is-this-ragebait-gif-10902073105296387701

[frosty eagle]

Its very obvious 1.0 isn't coming in 2025, probably mid to late 2026. It is what it is sadly

[hardy vale]

a ton of new skills and supports, improved atlas, improved skill tree, etc etc etc

[clear temple]

December this year, March next year

I will no longer listen to Jonathan about releases

[hardy vale]

massive balance improvements, ascendancy changes,

[clear temple]

Well now it is

[pallid oriole]

that has always been an "if" date, not a confirmed one

[frosty eagle]

A lot of 0.3 is improving stuff they already have which is unfortunate because it slowed down the dev of new content

[winged geyser]

atlas? tree? which new skills there were like a few only

[frosty eagle]

Both 0.2 and 0.3 seem primarily focused on fixing the main issues with the game over adding a lot of new content

[clear temple]

Obviously, but I wanted to believe in a man who clearly believed in himself

[keen copper]

yeah definitely not this year. maybe we get a class or two at the christmas league around december? I dunno man, its a bit concerning

[frosty eagle]

0.3 is adding a good amount of content tho but they still got a long way

[pallid oriole]

And sometimes mistakes are made, that's not a reason to go bonkers on the game saying it's doomed

[clear temple]

I didn't say it was doomed

Ever

Just expressing my disappointment

[pallid oriole]

yeah mb, that was the other dude

[clear temple]

Oh, sorry

[hardy vale]

objectively the largest patch for the game so far "campaign still unfinished no druid game is dead" idk man

[frosty eagle]

They can get Acts in reasonable time Bevause Act 6 is half an act but no class this patch means 1.0 is going to launch with sub 10 classes

[young kettle]

Apparently 75% of the playerbase thinks it's doomed because it isn't POE.

[keen copper]

what?

[clear temple]

People who want a second PoE1 can get bent tbh

[hazy quarry]

We only saw changes so far really and some added content, if you add the league on top that we have no clue about yet whatsoever it might end up being rather substantial

Of course its not anywhere near poe1

but that would be a weird expectation to have

[clear temple]

Leagues in EA is still wild to me

[frosty eagle]

This is more content than an average PoE1 league btw

[young kettle]

just Speculating. A lot of players want POE with better graphics.

[frosty eagle]

An average new league doesnt add a new act or a new trial

[leaden hemlock]

Monthly economy reset kappa

[formal sky]

THIS I agree with you on. Treating EA as a soft launch instead of balancing patches every week/month is wild.

[hazy quarry]

we get a new act, a new trial and a new league

[frosty eagle]

But I am saying the expectation is different for EA

[hazy quarry]

plus new ascendancies most likely.

[pulsar sedge]

League content release schedule is basically the only way to regrab player interest, which they need for people to play and actually test the released content.

[pallid oriole]

new items, new mobs, new content

[hazy quarry]

They did want to make a lot more radical changes initially

[clear temple]

You're telling me new uniques, exiles, and acts wouldn't?

[outer cedar]

ok yeah the leaks ARE true indeed, all the mini acts/interludes line up with the overflow of mini teasers we've been getting which is unusual for a poe league

[frosty eagle]

I am definitely excited tho, GGG is locked in and its still very beneficial to improve what you have

[hazy quarry]

but players bitched about "they nerfed MUH broken 1 gazillion meteors per second build"

which is why they stopped doing that

[pulsar sedge]

GGG has said basically no it wouldn't. From their own testing way back in the Early PoE1 days

They also tried to do it again with PoE2 and seemingly came to the same conclusion

[hazy quarry]

Is there any doubt at this point? It mentioned Doryanis contengency by name

which we now have a teaser of

[clear temple]

Damn that sucks so hard

[outer cedar]

true, but the leak source is very very weird. like the most random place on the internet to get a poe2 leak from

[frosty eagle]

Thats usually when you know its legit

[hazy quarry]

Is it? It was some gaming website, which broke embargo

Not sure what is weird about that

[frosty eagle]

The leak had like screenshots of the new stuff.. very very hard to fake that

[young kettle]

Yeah. Lots of the teaser changes seem very impactful. Multiples of the same support. Tiers for Supports, New Lineage supports that change things up. Sprint is huge. Warrior changes. Witch changes. New Act. Interludes replacing Act 1-3 cruel.

[outer cedar]

haven't heard of anything like that until now

tbh

[outer cedar]

I'm super fine with that, let them cook for longer

[hardy vale]

its happened before

[hazy quarry]

I mean it was a french gaming website so unless you are french its highly likely you are not aware of their existence

Or canadian I guess would also work

[young kettle]

Ghazzy was streaming his reactions to what he's seen. DM confirmed that it's legit

[hardy vale]

also entirely possible the article release was just an accident

[pulsar sedge]

Druid probably needed more time to cook again given their change in direction on shapeshifting for demon form.

[frosty eagle]

This is what I am thinking

[magic gale]

DM did? Happen to have a clip from that?

[frosty eagle]

Because having transforms use unarmed stats would have been lame as fuck

[magic gale]

Ofc it's legit, just curious of his reaction

[frosty eagle]

I dont want to be scaling gem levels even more

[hazy quarry]

I doubt that. They had methodically prepped to hammer out articles. They claimed that the embargo was ambigious on this very discord, and got shot down by GGG saying no it was not ambigious at all

[frosty eagle]

The leaks are 100000% real guys

[hazy quarry]

It was very intentional which for us is nice but for GGG that is a bad place to be in

[hardy vale]

oh idk they talked about it here lol

[magic gale]

Yeah the response to being told it was under embargo did not make them look good at all.

[young kettle]

No but I recall hum saying that he and DM are pretty close. I think DM confirmed in the chat but I have no proof. Seems legit based on the content is no longer available.

[hazy quarry]

they briefly spoke in the poe2 general chat

[magic gale]

gotcha, thanks

[frosty eagle]

Also there's 0% chance of Marauder right?

[hardy vale]

prob not happening yea

[hazy quarry]

DM was pissed (and in this case rightfully) that he played fair and did not leak anything and then someone else did

[patent cave]

If the leaks are true then its no new class.

[winged geyser]

no class we are cooked

[frosty eagle]

I dont know which GGG dev said it but they said that they mostly work on one class at one time (even tho small work is done on all of them) and Druid is next. So no Druid means no new class

[young kettle]

I've read that the poster mentioned that Jonatan told him that there will be no Druid. Maybe a whole other class? Who knows. Apparently the content teased is only 40% of what the patch will provide

[magic gale]

the one silver lining is that he comes out looking very good in all this. Clearly had integrity and didn't leak as we didn't know anything of what came out from him.

[hazy quarry]

Oh for sure, and unlike that publication that did leak he now has a rapport with GGG

so yeah

[hardy vale]

they've also said designing an entirely new class is the hardest part about developing games like this

takes the most time and work by far

[frosty eagle]

We still got a lot to cover that isn't new class related:

*Sorceress
*Huntress
*Monk
*New Ascendancies?
*TOTA
*Abyss
*Endgame changes
*Crafting changes/additions

[formal sky]

wait was Druid in poe1 or is it a totally new thing

[hardy vale]

not in poe 1 no

[restive arrow]

https://tenor.com/view/leek-dance-leek-girl-dance-perfect-farming-gif-5741009836361825820

[frosty eagle]

New to PoE, not new to ARPGs *D2 had it

[patent cave]

totally new.

[young kettle]

I don't know. I want a new class and new tools to play with but I'm guessing that they really need to test out how supports will change things up. Supports have no restrictions now. That could open up a lot of balance problems.

[hardy vale]

d2 goate

[formal sky]

this I knew, probably still have more playtime on LoD than anything else I play now

[restive arrow]

Also, can’t wait for Leroy Jenkins poe2 edition if sprint is real

[hazy quarry]

I mean we get new tools to play aplenty

heck witch gets a whole new base type

[patent cave]

Ya if leaks are true, roll into a sprint is weird and not just straight up sprint.

[winged geyser]

bro who gives a ffuck about some support gems

[pulsar sedge]

A lot of people, myself included do

[formal sky]

me

[young kettle]

Yeah, that's what I was implying. there was only a snippet of changes to Blood Mage and Warbringer. Curious what other changes to the Ascendancies

[frosty eagle]

Lineage Sypport gems are cool

[hardy vale]

i also rly want to be the bear but yeah either we get that and very little else (like 0.2) or we get everything the new patch is bringing

[clear temple]

I feel ya

[young kettle]

Yeah. The picture shows a Scythe, but it looks more like a staff.

[hardy vale]

i still haven't played mercenary bc crossbows just looked so clunky to me but if it's getting improved like the leak says, i'm def rolling one so that's basically a new class for me lol

[hazy quarry]

We get at least. A new act.
three interludes.
No more cruel.
Tons of new support gems.
A new weapon base type.
Major changes in the passive tree.
A league mechanic.
Something about trade changes.

I swear Poe community is so effing spoiled.

[winged geyser]

a new weapon type?

[formal sky]

and like FIFTY TWO more boss fights

[winged geyser]

who said that

[hazy quarry]

that kind of patch other ARPG's would die for being able to deliver

[hardy vale]

also yea a straight shot campaign with no cruel difficulty is massive

[clear temple]

A new weapon base type?!?!?

[hardy vale]

that alone already makes it 100 times better

[hazy quarry]

By the sound of it. Scythe seems to be a weapon base type yes.

[winged geyser]

uh

[hazy quarry]

Basically a more witchy version of a scepter

[winged geyser]

isnt that just a staff for mage?

or smth like that

ur cooked

[pulsar sedge]

Its a new staff with a implicit skill of reap

Yeah, that's a big thing that I think goes under the radar in some of these understandings. Redoing the core balance in class, tree and support limitations basically reopens up things that were unplayed before, making them new to us, even if they aren't new to the game.

[winged geyser]

yea ok weapon base type

nothing special here

[young kettle]

A scythe would be so cool, though. Cursious if this new staff will have spirit rather than a Scepter.

[pulsar sedge]

Like Cold archmage is effectively whole new to the game now, as you can embitter support every cold skill now.

[grim nebula]

pretty sure the leak was just a staff, with the staff having the bound spell reap, which had a scythe effect in the animation.

[hardy vale]

exactly

[hazy quarry]

Ranger also gets a lot more cold support

[formal sky]

I apparently can't do math, each interlude has 4 bosses if I'm reading right, so 12 bosses. I was extrapolating the other 40 from the unique support gems, of which there's talk of a specific number (40) in the lineage support leak page

[hazy quarry]

Its together with act 4

[formal sky]

source is me from a few hours ago, screenshotting everything I saw on Kami

[hazy quarry]

the numbers are additive

so the act 4 numbers are just for act 4

while the total includes the three interludes

[formal sky]

ah darn so only 4 bosses in 3 interludes, gg cooked unplayable

[hazy quarry]

4 bosses PER

[formal sky]

still hyped about the skills change pass they did

[hazy quarry]

12 in act 4, 12 in the three interludes

[formal sky]

oh so I CAN do math!

[hazy quarry]

total of 24 = 4 per interlude on average

[winged geyser]

Wait are the bosses in the interlude new then?

If so

[formal sky]

yes

[winged geyser]

Kinda cool

[pulsar sedge]

Yes

[hazy quarry]

yes they are

[formal sky]

be hype

[winged geyser]

I expected rehashed slop

[pulsar sedge]

Nah, they have to add them to the game properly to rehash them in endgame content.

[kindred prawn]

this reply, is the single most braindead thing i have ever read in a thread. Bro thinks support gems aren't build defining XD

[young kettle]

**Rodgers confirmed a major Consequence: It is no longer necessary to replay the campaign several times per character. ** Interesting. Many people want that but I'd be curious how that actually works.

[winged geyser]

What why would you need to replay with same character

[formal sky]

bruh I really hope this Tawhoa guy is either a boss or a cool lore dump; the fact it's a God is wild to me

[pulsar sedge]

You're misinterpreting it. You don't do the 3 acts twice now. (Twice per character) You now do 4 acts+Interludes

[young kettle]

Duh. Reading 101 lol. Makes sense.

[hazy quarry]

yeah basically its now you do the four acts of the campaign, then the three interludes which are shorter, and then bam endgame

You still end up at around level 65 but without having to do cruel

[formal sky]

what some of the lineage support gems look like

[young kettle]

After reading over a few times, it completely makes sense.

[hazy quarry]

And little reminder all the act 4 zones and the interlude zones and their bosses and mobs are also in endgame

[quiet glen]

tawhoa is one of the karui gods we knew yes

[hazy quarry]

so more map and boss variety and mob variety in endgame

[rough dagger]

I wonder if those supports are exclusive to TOTA

Would make sense to have that be the reward from that mechanic

[pulsar sedge]

They are not, explicitly they're from endgame stuff

[hazy quarry]

How I read the leak material it seems they drop all over

one specifically drops in Sekhemas

[kindred prawn]

i wouldnt mind things similar to this being a reward for a mechanic or for the new trial

[hazy quarry]

because its related to timedude

[pulsar sedge]

I assume that the one named after the Sekhemas final boss drops from him.

[formal sky]

it seemed to me like they were dropped from who they'd be named for

[hazy quarry]

yeah pretty much that

so its spread all over the game

[formal sky]

Zarokh's lineage gem

[pulsar sedge]

Its basically support gem progression into the endgame beyond just dropping more support gems with teirs.

[hazy quarry]

Which is honestly a smart way to solve it

[gritty bison]

How difficult is the trial of Ancestors compared to the trial of the Sekhemas?

[hazy quarry]

We have no clue

[young kettle]

Sounds like these Lingeage support Gems drastically changes you skills. Maybe it provides more build defining mechanics, unlike unique items lately

[hazy quarry]

because we do not know how its implemented in poe2