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https://twitter.com/bexsayswords/status/1643727359269564417

Bex (@bexsayswords)

As you may have seen, the Crucible Passives have been leaked. I just wanted to mention that what you're seeing there is not an official launch/reveal - so it's not final. Please take everything with a grain of salt as it's still subject to change.

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Twitter · Apr 5, 2023, 9:28 PM

[hollow sandal]

This sounds like another RF league for me

[hollow sandal]

no delirium, legion challenges

[woeful rose]

https://poedb.tw/us/Weapon_passive

[floral relic]

[jolly wedge]

Indigon looking spicy this league

[tulip jay]

Omg I didn't know we have this section

[last marlin]

Trigger Level 20 Stance Swap when you Attack with Perforate or Lacerate

[tulip jay]

Soooo excited

[last marlin]

Level 20 stance swap

[woeful rose]

op

[last marlin]

Let that sink in

[tulip jay]

I feel like ggg heard my prayers

[hollow sandal]

nice

[woeful rose]

basically elevore

[tulip jay]

With reap

[hollow sandal]

wasnt there a node with cdr per power charge now too?

op af for triggers

[tulip jay]

Blade flurry coc is going to have nutty triggers

[hollow sandal]

wat tier btw

[woeful rose]

t4

[hollow sandal]

aoe for endurance charges

ok im fine with that its fine

big aoe for rf

[last marlin]

Why do some skills just...suck?

[last marlin]

Like venom gyre bleed/tr bleed?

Why

[hollow sandal]

nah show me the determination one

[woeful rose]

they are the same number

[tulip jay]

75% increased effect? Ffs

[woeful rose]

wait

[hollow sandal]

75% effect of determination

[woeful rose]

its not the same number

[hollow sandal]

oooough

[woeful rose]

[hollow sandal]

OK

that's just unfair

at least reservation is the same

[woeful rose]

self bleed

[vocal mural]

errr

[radiant locust]

i was a bit disappointed with the skill specific ones.

[vocal mural]

theres a bunch of those

some of the skill specific ones are super broko

like artillery ballista

and freeze pulse/EoW

[radiant locust]

yea some of them are nice

i was just expecting more of them to be nice

[vocal mural]

most of them are at least interesting

like the flameblast one makes me want to go pob

[woeful rose]

btw guys

just incase u didnt know

• split beast/fractured fossil

its doomed

[radiant locust]

😄

[vocal mural]

actually the flameblast one is super dumb

[woeful rose]

splits beasts and fractured fossils about to be 3div each

oh no no

[radiant locust]

youd have to pay me to play something as slow as flameblast

[woeful rose]

you can fracture fossil infinitely right

?

[vocal mural]

no u dont understand

flameblast is now a break your mouse rapid click skill

[woeful rose]

the flameblast one makes flameblast faster

literally

lol

thats the whole point

oh wait

fractured fossils only have 1 use too

[radiant locust]

its still a slow mapper

no matter how much faster it is

[vocal mural]

no u dont get it

[woeful rose]

yea

u really dont

lol

[vocal mural]

flameblast is now u just click

u dont channel

u dont hold

u just click

[woeful rose]

for clearing u dont max channel flameblast

afaik

actually

even for single target

is it more efficient to just spam stage 4

xd

[vocal mural]

a 4 stage flameblast does about twice the damage of fireball and it has a 0.2 second cast time lul

so yea

the only problem is ur mouse is gonna break

[woeful rose]

just uh

ahk

[vocal mural]

i should look at incinerate too

ok thats about the same

at 4 stages

[modest token]

totems?

[vocal mural]

actually bit less

no totems will channel the skill

which is still like 60% more damage but not as good as spam clicking i think

[modest token]

right it's 10 max stages

thought it was 5 for some reason

[hollow sandal]

can u like

use it on traps or smth?

[vocal mural]

cant do much with channeling skills

no trap no mine no brand most triggers dont work

only problem is 4 stage flameblast radius is kind of tiny dick

and u cant ignite with it

maybe have to go with incinerate

[tulip jay]

I was considering a flame blast/fireball starter setup

Vflameblast does enough damage to get you through most everything

[vocal mural]

and then once u find the weapon

u get to spam click ur way through everything

[woeful rose]

you can still poison btw

🙂

[vocal mural]

yea thats true i suppose

u can play like

DW alt quality flameblast

[tulip jay]

what are the numbers on fireball aoe passive?

[vocal mural]

100% more

200% more on staff

[rain path]

I am here to derail

[tulip jay]

200 is insane

like 100% aoe with a max range fireball

[woeful rose]

wtf is that

heres your fireball league

but now your name says vaal reap

[tulip jay]

GGG did reap like they were watching me plan it

I've been literally practicing reap/exsang chief starters

and figuring out how I need to not go avatar of fire so i can keep the phys dot while leveling

then they say.. fk phys. Fire is everything

I might go fireball though if I can find some decent aoe uniques / mods

Reap feels more consistent for a chieftain. I need to play a fireball hiero or something of the sort

[calm birch]

is detonate dead perhaps back on the menu

[pastel smelt]

https://poedb.tw/us/Kiracs_Vault#KiracsVaultPassseason5

has this been talked about

free ingame loot in battlepass now

or well kiracs vault pass

[mellow plover]

Oh neat looks like they’ve added a free battle pass tier

[pastel smelt]

yeah but you get actual ingame items rather than mtx

[small pewter]

this really gonna be added to crucible weapons?

if so dear god my build.

[mellow plover]

Nothing game breaking. But seems like we get items that’ll help with completing the atlas a bit

[mellow plover]

Holy shit if they have increased duration too. BV gonna feel so good.

[small pewter]

they do

[mellow plover]

Ahhhhhhhhhhh

[small pewter]

but

i will be able to get....

99% reduced duration

potentionally

[icy juniper]

apparently there's a "flameblast starts with 5 stages" crucible passive, which would actually be insane

[pastel smelt]

isn't it 4

ye it's 2 or 4

also this is gigabroken on certain builds

cause it's local attack speed almost certainly

[icy juniper]

4 stages would still be broken

you can spam that and do a shit ton of damage on hit builds

[small pewter]

twister is gonna be giga broken if the reduced skill dura is a thing

[icy juniper]

"Lightning Tendrils releases 2 fewer Pulses between Stronger Pulses when Cast by a Totem while you also have a Spark Spell Totem" actually broken

"Trigger Level 20 Hydrosphere while you Channel Winter Orb"

what the fuck are some of these

this is actually insane

how fast would it fucking trigger

"Maximum Life of Summoned Elemental Golems is Doubled"

HUHHHH?

[pastel smelt]

wanna know what's broken

[tulip jay]

blazing salvo forks on flame wall is broken

[icy juniper]

SRS

[pastel smelt]

you can get 100% reduced soul gain prevention duration on vaal volcanic fissure

[severe herald]

Bonkfest

[icy juniper]

heh, i'm gonna be doing a blazing salvo totem build as a starter

that's amusing

i didn't even know blazing salvo could fork

[severe herald]

It can if it hits enemy before ground

[tulip jay]

sir

blazing salvo forks

this is how you do dmg

[icy juniper]

i mean, it does enough damage just with the overlaps

[tulip jay]

forks overlap

[icy juniper]

should i put fork in my 6L

[tulip jay]

you need forks for balls to hit ground

[icy juniper]

??

[tulip jay]

no fork. one ball gets destroyed on target

no ground hit

[icy juniper]

so a ball that forks on the target hits 3 times total?

once on the enemy, then fork, then two explosions?

[tulip jay]

1 fork per cast on each target I believe

[icy juniper]

oh, lol

well that's only 2 extra hits then lol

good for clear i guess

[tulip jay]

except when it's a pack

all forks

[mellow plover]

Am I just dumb or is Impale for Blade Vortex meh.

[tulip jay]

so in packs, if you hit all 7 proj, you get 14 projectiles from fork

[icy juniper]

huh

[tulip jay]

I'm so brainded rn, but we keep going

[mellow plover]

Absolutely fried

[tulip jay]

each blazing salvo gets 7 proj at lvl 21

[icy juniper]

the problem is that if i put fork on blazing salvo for clear i'd need to switch it for damage

[tulip jay]

single target, fork doesn't really matter

[icy juniper]

and there are no green gems that are particularly good for blazing salvo

plus gem switching is trash

[tulip jay]

but if there's extra mobs in the boss fight, fork is great

[icy juniper]

hmm

well, i'll be doing heist and alva

[tulip jay]

that's fork zone

[icy juniper]

so maybe fork for the clear would be worth it yeah

[tulip jay]

since you fire 7 proj, you get 14 proj in packs

lets back up a minute

flame wall causes blazing salvo to fork

does this mean they fork again if linked to fork? If so.. you get 28 projectiles in packs

[icy juniper]

i'm curious if bigger or smaller aoe makes blazing salvo better

[tulip jay]

bigger

you need a little aoe to get overlaps

[icy juniper]

tree currently looks like this

should i get the aoe on the right

[tulip jay]

eh, it's 22 radius. That's not bad

[icy juniper]

i'd have to cut stuff out

pob says i've 18 radius

[tulip jay]

only for map clear would you really care for radius

i dunno. maybe 18 is small

[lunar turtle]

My question is whether you can lay multiple flame walls in parallel before a boss, just multiply the hell out of your proj count

[tulip jay]

it won't work like that

[lunar turtle]

even if you have to link woke fork to do it that should be worth

you think even woke fork won't let it use both forks on flame wall?

[tulip jay]

If woke fork made this work, then it would be worth, for sure

[pliant rock]

Ngamahu's flame with str stacking

[tulip jay]

Blazing salvo can't fork twice, before crucible

it hits the mob, then the ground. no other forks can happen

[lunar turtle]

I did not know that was the functionality, I thought it could fork on another mob after the first if you had multiple forks available

[tulip jay]

I honestly only learned it after playing the build in lake league

[lunar turtle]

I played GC in lake, which I might do again if I can get the ice nova proc and maybe another random link on a 2h

nova is only like 25% more dmg but still, that's a lot of dmg

[tulip jay]

GC is cool, but I don't think I had enough aoe to enjoy the overlaps

[lunar turtle]

I was using fanaticism lmao

[tulip jay]

Without enough aoe it felt like the set distance of explosions were clunky

oh well... fanaticism eh?

That made flameblast feel good

[lunar turtle]

shield charge around and cast it, you only need uptime vs bosses anyways so it felt good

I did similar on reap in sentinel and that was the grossest build I'll ever play, so I def use fanaticism forbidden jewels often now

[tulip jay]

That's true. I think I could make use of it. It's been included in some of the random pobs lately

I'm going reap chief

It was decided before the spoilers

[lunar turtle]

never played reap chief but it's something I wanna try eventually, I love those conversion tank setups

I have no idea what to start, was gonna sab but I know I'm gonna play an inq eventually bc I do every league so I may just start that as a safer choice

[tulip jay]

yeah, I'm afraid I need to come up with a good way to play chief before the conversion tech

Either half str stack for spell dmg, or a basic ignite setup

[lunar turtle]

rf with rush hearty and 50 flat regen mastery would prob work fine tbh

[tulip jay]

rf works with both setups

[lunar turtle]

or I like leveling sunder on marauders, but falls off like a rock if you dont transition to str stack or a big 2h weapon

[tulip jay]

purifying flame is a solid starter if you're spells

[lunar turtle]

shit I wanna do str stack tec slam chief too, need a BLS with the replica dreamfeather for tec slam mod tho - I am aware this will suck when I do try it

[tulip jay]

i'd rather play jugg tec slam tbh. Unless you're going big slow slams

wait you're referencing the armour stacking passive

[lunar turtle]

True acc stack off str too, get every stat from str

[tulip jay]

I have to give it to infernal blow

[lunar turtle]

Yea with armor per str mastery and ideally have the currency to actually get high armor with it

Also legit, I just enjoy tec slam visually

[tulip jay]

I'm going to hold further judgment until I play another tec slam

Been awhile, but i've done 2

More recently a few infernal blows

Infernal blow got me using infernal cry a certain way. Now I use infernal cry on every starter

[calm birch]

3 srs…

[icy juniper]

full crit is pretty crazy though

inc crit damage is a big link in that case

also you don't have to scale cast speed anymore with that

[tribal vortex]

Primeval Remnant Mods https://poedb.tw/us/Primeval_Remnant#PrimevalRemnantMods

[calm birch]

oh diamond shrine I read that as diamond skin

still doubt it’s worth at least for any existing archetypes

[vocal mural]

i dont really see much reason to do voltaxic with artillery ballista

the only thing ur getting benefit from adding is the fire portion of the physical on artillery ballista which is like

zero

storm rain might be good i havent pobbed it yet

[hollow canopy]

Oh for some reason I was imagining the poison chance was all it'd need

[idle sequoia]

Does the trigger X when you use Y use your supports in the item?

[granite plover]

@cunning gull isn't it all increased reservation, not rmr

[cunning gull]

for what?

[granite plover]

The crucible passives

You were saying you could get 2 more auras

Haste has 65% increased Aura Effect
Haste has 50% increased Reservation

[dry silo]

@daring shuttle you gotta come here

[daring shuttle]

| 17 | RAIDER: Snipe Ignite Burning Arrow (lulw, LOGOUT .etc)

ohhh

gotcha

[dry silo]

It's literally double

lol

[daring shuttle]

disgusting lmao

[dry silo]

this is what the claw will look like optimally

I'm not even gonna go for a t5 mod

just good t1/2/3/4s lol

[vocal mural]

Just get flat cold and AS together 4Head

[cunning gull]

I meant to say that I can fit both in

As in I can get the hatred AND haste passive

Even with the 50% more cost

[granite plover]

Oh I see what you mean now

Thats cool

[cunning gull]

Yeah my hatred sitting at 4.5 aura effect

[red rover]

Where does that come from?

[vocal mural]

list of crucible passives on poedb

[vocal mural]

ok fine

this is super hyper epicly cracked

and if its not nerfed u should all play it

[sinful grotto]

pizza totems?

[zealous pond]

Never played this skill so I have no clue why it's strong

[sinful grotto]

hit based pizza totems

[vocal mural]

wat no

no totems

totems channel the skill

dont channel the skill

spam click the skill

stage 5 flameblast does twice the damage of fireball and casts nearly four times faster

[sinful grotto]

oh

you automatically gain 1 stage

?

[vocal mural]

yes its 1+4 you get

[upbeat gull]

Reading the passives makes me think that 3.22 gonna be a Shitshow If they remove the trees

[vocal mural]

not that the difference between 4 and 5 makes this build

like i sketched a shit pob together and it had nearly 15m dps naked with an ashes

no other items

[upbeat gull]

Hmm those trees i guess dont Stack and and act as annoints?
As getting some skills on 2x weapons outshine the 2h variant

[vocal mural]

i presume they stack

[rose wigeon]

Hello there fellow spoiled peeps

[south mango]

what if you balance your mana regen so you can just hold it down

instead of spamming

[vocal mural]

just go through 3 mice per league its fine

[upbeat gull]

If they Stack we can do eow with 30% Chance to do 100% more poison damage...

Stop typing start pobbing db

[south mango]

well i never saw eow as very good skill so im not super interested in that :d

either your clear sucks or your dps sucks not fun

[vocal mural]

im more interested in the attack skills that can poison

as u can use those with weapon damage

[south mango]

if imdoing poison with the tree it would be arti most likely

even though idk if thats better than just having access to vengeant even with tri ele fat bow

or stuff like voltaxic

at least we got keystones so voltaxic gets EO back

and obviously stat stackers and charge stackers are gonna be the broken high end builds again but imnot interessted in that either

[tribal vortex]

https://poedb.tw/us/Crucible_league uniques with affix value ranges

[upbeat gull]

Well arti strength stacker was cheap...
40 divs?

+/- 5 div

[south mango]

sure but i wouldnt count that one as the broken one :d

even though you can str stack poison arti now

whcih might be decent

[upbeat gull]

It wasnt.. it sucked for sanctum

[south mango]

with replica alberons,bow mod and also tree

[last marlin]

whyyyy soo much useless bleed

[south mango]

its not useless if you wanted to do phys convert

for whatever reason

[ionic badger]

-60 convert is the good part here

you can play phys to cold now

[last marlin]

stuff like this is cool

then theres this

like what

[dusk tartan]

everybody is a sire now

[zealous pond]

How hard it is to do that ?

[vocal mural]

hey it is a lot of mana

[south mango]

very annoying as it breaks when you level up change gear etc lul

but level to 100 get perfect gear ez build

[upbeat gull]

Or use lifetap

[south mango]

well the point would be to spend allyour mana

so you stop casting

[zealous pond]

But you need to recover your mana very quickly after that

[ionic badger]

you can run the funny gloves that eat your mana when you cast

and a lot of regen

[vocal mural]

seriously guys

[zealous pond]

Hmm true

[vocal mural]

just spam click

its only 10 aps

[zealous pond]

Spam click is not good for your finger

[south mango]

true, so easy

oh i know

manastorm value

[ionic badger]

voidbringer 70 unreserved, build solved

[zealous pond]

Manastorm good call

[south mango]

voidbringer is at least actually good glove so that one makes moresense obviously

but manastorm is fun

[ionic badger]

also i would like to point out
the passive blocks elemental ailments
but not poison

[rose wigeon]

Huh

[vocal mural]

There was a reason i said i was doing 15m dps naked with an ashes

[zealous pond]

Oh you was using the alt qual

[clear badger]

is the lighning dmg a typo ? usually the smaller number comes first, im guessing there supposed to be other number there ?

[south mango]

i assume thats 10 and 100

[tribal vortex]

250% is great

[upbeat gull]

Poised guard meta bow

[dry silo]

It's 1/20 for T2+ as, 1/40 for T1, not exactly the worst odds

needed to hit a 1/4 for this one, but yeah usually can just craft cannot roll attacks and anull. Might eat divines but it's usually guaranteed

Hoping for good divine rng this league 🤔 I want at least 10 for this build

[raw rune]

idu whythey add cold dmg to arc/ cracking lance per use mana...tipical cold skills

[granite plover]

Alt quality archmage gives cold

Or at some point you could get trinity from the split dmg

[rough citrus]

you going frost blades?

[dry silo]

spectral throw

[rough citrus]

raider?

[dry silo]

deadeye

[rough citrus]

hmm

I'm debating going frost blades raider even if trickster is tankier just so I can potentially respec to a deadeye/pf if heatshiver is mega pricy

[idle sequoia]

I kinda wanna try Bama with the trigger but unsure how it plays out

[rough citrus]

bama would become 1 button with it rignt

seems worth

[upbeat gull]

Pf would be also a strong Option over Raider with master destiller

[rough citrus]

sounds ultra zdps

0 damage from ascendancy

if I wanna play pathfinder i'd rather go scourge arrow or anther chaos skill

[upbeat gull]

Pen + crit, flask Up 100%

[dry silo]

If you're interested in playing dex stacker, I can share my current ssf plans 🤔

[upbeat gull]

Taste of hatte and dying sun 100% Up is better than Raider has to offer

[rough citrus]

I am considering dex stack in the endgame if the crucible dex stack passive isnt impossible to obtain

[dry silo]

https://pobb.in/MNehv1Kfj_YJ 2nd or 3rd build depending if I get BLS.
I'm really hoping the 2-4 cold damage crucible dex passive isn't impossible to get

all the gear has crafting instructions too, I'd expect it to cost ~20-30d

It's like 10 raw divines, and a few hundred essences lol

[rough citrus]

honestly what I play this league is almost entirely dependant on how vengeant cascade works

[dry silo]

i have no idea what essences cost

yeah that's fair

[rough citrus]

if it works with frost blades I'm minmaxing that to hell and back

[dry silo]

what im maining this league 100% depends on if I get a BLS before I get this gear put together lol

[rough citrus]

I love frostblades but it's always been so shit against bosses

even during harvest

but heatshiver and the new masteries make that less of a concern

in fact the res invert and inc damage taken per frozen second mastery might be too good

[dry silo]

small mistake in that one, wrote loathign instead of sorrow, fixed it lol

I'm really hoping magebane isn't super rare on shields

[raw rune]

this wep tree is like syntesis league 😄 imposible make perfectone 😄

[covert halo]

Is tiers reversed in crucible tree? T5 is best ones and T1 is worst?

[plain relic]

I've joined the dark side and looked at the leaked nodes on poedb

[modern finch]

ya

[lavish path]

@plain relic bro what is this shit

why does EK have to suffer

[plain relic]

I wonder what will end up being the strat, starting with good tree and self crafting or combining to get good tree.

[lavish path]

@unkempt lion EK's crucible passive is so dog shit

[plain relic]

DNT - Do Not Trust

[lavish path]

I won't be surprised if it's so shit

[plain relic]

Atleast in my head that's what it means

[unkempt lion]

Huh

Wha

Ek shit?

[tough otter]

some nodes are dogshit and some are straight up broken

[unkempt lion]

Who knew

[tough otter]

subject to change so surely EK node is gonna be different

[unkempt lion]

Surely

[tough otter]

[lavish path]

Like bro who the fuck cares about the lingering blades from EK

I've never seen someone blade blast EK before

[unkempt lion]

Someone at ggg office really loves their impale ek bladeblast build

And keeps inserting lingering blades so it becomes better every league

[lavish path]

Anyone with a braincell can tell bladefall makes more sense than EK

for bladeblast

[unkempt lion]

At some point it'll have 15 lingering blades scattered about the tree/items

[lavish path]

I know this is subject to change but I still gonna mald

I mean even unnerve on hit sounds ok

[unkempt lion]

Just give ek vc

[lavish path]

vc?

[tough otter]

voice channel

[unkempt lion]

Vengeant cascade

[lavish path]

Oh man

vengeant ek sounds fucking hot

It will be spell venom gyre

I can live with that

[tough otter]

too bad it's not an attack

[plain relic]

You think double damage will save ek?

[lavish path]

Not really but at least it won't feel like shit

[tough otter]

would anomalous faster proj work tho

[plain relic]

It should.

You need to give it extra quality though.

[unkempt lion]

It wont hard save ek

Cuz its clear isnt a problem

It'll make single target not as ass for non ignite versions

Granted, who plays non ignite ek rn

[limber rose]

this is tagged as "do not translate" so it might not be final

[lavish path]

Surely EK will get a better node

[unkempt lion]

Final : leaves 2 lingering blade per 4 projectiles

[lavish path]

I don't know if I have enough copium

[unkempt lion]

[limber rose]

there is no passive they add

that will make EK non garbage

[lavish path]

God I even did archmage EK before and it's still shit

[unkempt lion]

If they give ek phys as non ele/ele dmg

It would make it non garbage

But thats ek ignite again

[lavish path]

I wonder if anyone will fall for the ek ignite bait again

[unkempt lion]

Probably

Its a very viable farmer

That is easily replaceable by any skill

[lavish path]

yeah but you do like 0 damage to pinnacles

[unkempt lion]

As long as it splodes stuff

You dont make ek ignite to hit pins

You make ek ignite to farm mblood for your next build to hit pins

[plain relic]

The woc node seems crazy.

Why has pob changed from showing level 1-20 range for damage values to showing level 1-max?

Who wants to look at the level 40 stats at a glance?!

[lavish path]

huh mine isn't doing that

[plain relic]

Check woc?

[lavish path]

Uh looks fine to me

I added WoC

It shows me level 20 damage

[plain relic]

Oh I'm am idiot, I meant poedb, not pob.

[tribal vortex]

it's bugged, fixing

[calm birch]

oh the RF passives seem pretty worthless for RF builds

unfortch

[south mango]

good for agnostic builds

[calm birch]

ye true

[raw rune]

T4) 25% reduced Totem Life
Totems Explode on Death, dealing 600% of their Life as Physical Damage
totem bomber otw 😄

[unkempt lion]

Rats coming back

[lethal gull]

Dark Pact totems

[full ridge]

[eager frost]

check out this huge leak

[tribal vortex]

fixed

[full ridge]

https://tenor.com/view/flex-tape-gif-10921536

[earnest saddle]

first person who gets a voidforge with the cleave skill tho

[plain relic]

[carmine tapir]

I annoyed at the consec path t5 effect

[earnest saddle]

I swear the whole page for summon spectral wolf is just confusing

[carmine tapir]

Its at the same time awesome and absolute shit

[earnest saddle]

poison purifying flame tho

[carmine tapir]

Yea

[earnest saddle]

plus you could stick in add fire support

[carmine tapir]

But my consec path totem chieftain would be very happy about the ground, but at the same time the chaos convert literally disables half the ascendancy

So it is literally never worth taking on it

[south mango]

well the chief nodes are pretty shit anyway

[carmine tapir]

True that

Was thinking going jugg or scion

[south mango]

it is def 100% worth it if you go like str stack with replica alberons

and the wep mod

and the tree passive

[carmine tapir]

Yeah brutus lead and alberons

Sounds rly rly good

[earnest saddle]

so um, laughs in melding

[carmine tapir]

Just tripple scale of strength by using alberons , brutus lead sprinkler with the weapon strength scale and than iron fortress + crown of eyes with iron will

[earnest saddle]

why would alberons be better now than before?

wait no

[carmine tapir]

I mean replica

[earnest saddle]

I was thinking of the wrong thing

[carmine tapir]

Not normal

[earnest saddle]

I got some wires crossed and was thinking about abberaths

[carmine tapir]

I think ill just go scion, but im not sure what to take besides chieftain for the build

Hirophant for more spell damage converted by crown and +1 totem?

Oh wait do more multipliers even get converted by crown?

[earnest saddle]

these REDUCED reserve efficiency passives are actually great for relic of the pact yeh?

[carmine tapir]

No they dont

Sadge

Yeah they are

Relic looks good

[earnest saddle]

problem if you have to grind relics to get it

or if it's a shield mod

[carmine tapir]

Yeah, its absolutely not guessable how easy some nodes will be to get

I would rather assume its impossible

Which is why ill likely start chieftain anyways

And only relevel a scion if i actually get an insane lead sprinkler

[vocal mural]

I have tried cp totem scion btw

I cannot recommend this thing to anybody

The jump range on ur totems is too small

Its vaguely playable on chief because of the activation range

[carmine tapir]

Oh yea thats indeed an issue

[vocal mural]

But on scion man its miserable

U can try it on live now

[carmine tapir]

Which means that node is genuinly terrible

[vocal mural]

U got 2 days and presumably a scion in standard 🙂

[carmine tapir]

For that build anyways

[vocal mural]

If its good enough for u go nuts

[carmine tapir]

I actually have everything but a scion lmao

[vocal mural]

Im just saying i found it kinda vomit

[carmine tapir]

Jugg is also not really an option

Since you would want to annoint 2 chieftain nodes

Besides the cost obv

In any case ill start chieftain

Build looks good even without the replica alberons/ crucible node endgame upgrade path

[earnest saddle]

the ball lightning return passive seems odd, it can't return even with nimis as it is can it

[vocal mural]

it cannot

i'll be curious to see how it works

[earnest saddle]

I have to wonder if it's going to circumvent that whole problem with BL having a hardcap on the number of times it can hit one thing

which is 10 times I think?

[fickle adder]

boat league

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/528048071104528414/1093480626184781864/image.png

[earnest saddle]

ironically its probably going to be impossible to properly abuse the way I want because I seriously doubt bows can roll blazing salvo

[tribal vortex]

you can't, it don't have bow/range/two-hand tag

[earnest saddle]

F for bow coc blazing salvo with asenaths chant flamewall

long live kinetic blast coc with flamewall spellslinger I guess

[tribal vortex]

there is a bow tab in that page, just reload

[rough citrus]

hey db will frost blade projectiles return and damage the boss with vengeant cascade

wait not db

I'm blind

[plain relic]

They should, effectively making it the same as old lightning strike.

[rough citrus]

ive seen a lot of people assuming they wouldn't work

[lusty swan]

so That looks like notable numbers right?

[tribal vortex]

yes, try to press f5 to reload page

[lusty swan]

aight it worked thanks

there's so much powercreep

this is going to be fun

[idle sequoia]

Don't think anyone answered yet but do we know if triggered skills are supported by gems in the weapon? I know essence triggered minions do get the supports but I don't know if it's the same

[south mango]

i assume it will just count as mod on weapon, especially seeing the flats that you can roll too

[lusty swan]

would be logical and if it is then some become really fun

we have no data on some spells tho

[idle sequoia]

@south mango did you just confirm poison Bama

[lusty swan]

the gravity thing on divine ire for example

[south mango]

lol

well i assume thats the purpose for that one anyway

right

double 6link bama and just spam blink arrows and you get both ez

ngl with that passive sounds kinda viable

if it works with supports ofc

[idle sequoia]

Yeah solves my main issue of my hands cramping when playing it too much

[earnest saddle]

Imagine getting behead and cleave makes wolves on voidforge

[lusty swan]

reality : rain of arrow mod spawning on your voidforge

[vocal mural]

cant

[earnest saddle]

snipe roa crimson dance?

[lusty swan]

thats just less damage than puncture into ensnaring arrow tho

[south mango]

its nice for clear i guess

[lusty swan]

well at least they have weapon tags to avoid unusable stuff

for clear you wouldnt go crimson dance tbh

just basic RoA with the 300% more is more than enough

[south mango]

yea that is what i meant

[lusty swan]

th'ats like what?? 80% of the puncture

basically same effectiveness but without the 100 flat phys

[earnest saddle]

poison artillery ballista doomfletch might be a thing that can be played?

[lusty swan]

probably

[south mango]

well you are certainly not playing doomfletch

[lusty swan]

on doomefletch I would just try to roll the flat phys and flat crit crucible mods rather than aim for a skill tho

[reef shoal]

It's really interesting that '8% **more **maximum mana' is a random T2 mod. That's going to be so incredible on Hiero's.

[south mango]

but yes you will be able to play artillery poison and it will most likely be pretty good

[lusty swan]

yeah there are some incredible mods

[earnest saddle]

thats hundreds of "free" mana

[icy juniper]

30% more cast speed/15% less global damage has me going 👀

[earnest saddle]

now imagine you get that on SRS

[lusty swan]

turbo hyped by this one

so much supreme ego hatred balance in a single mod

the life recovery on suppressing spell damage sounds insane too

[earnest saddle]

poison coc setups be like

[icy juniper]

oh god

[lusty swan]

yeah thats some free perfect agony

[lunar turtle]

Wow that's nuts

[earnest saddle]

keep bex post in mind

anything can just not materialize

[lost dome]

this one in particular I am hype for, allows us to cap delay reduction

[lusty swan]

archmage login

[lost dome]

means we can have 99% delay reduction on twisters and removes our need to use saqawal boots, gloves, support gems on aspect of the avian, 10% less mastery...

completely frees up so much on twisters, lets you use real gear, massive damage/survival boost

while also doubling our DPS O_o;

[tulip jay]

This league is definitely a collector's league. I'm trying to make a bunch of good weapons to take to standard

[icy juniper]

cant you use triggerbots with twisters lol

[lost dome]

you can but I dont think its the right call

it will do insane dps but you already do quite a lot, what you really want is survability

[earnest saddle]

I thought we had seen some improved reservation passives from reveals

[lusty swan]

this one is going to be some hilarious power creep

[earnest saddle]

all I can find actually makes your reserves more expensive

[lost dome]

some folks and I were able to PoB a handful of right side PoBs that outright just capped DoT cap quite quickly with twisters poison

[lusty swan]

double dex stacking bow kek

[granite plover]

seems like there is no reservation help

[lusty swan]

or maybe it makes you unable to roll it?

idk

[granite plover]

id doubt the mods conflict but we will see

[gusty token]

Thats just a free +1 link on all spells 😏

[lusty swan]

roll this and a socket support spell

that being said even if it isnt an amazing skill I hope I'll get my hands on some soulrend skill crucible

the +4 proj and reduced proj speed is just so damn good

maybe with that 7L soulrend could be good

[icy juniper]

ball lightning login

[gusty token]

Issnt reduced proj speed something you want on soulrend anyway? 🤔

[lusty swan]

kinda yeah

it makes the proj stay on target longer

for clear

[icy juniper]

oh soulrend specifically lol

[lusty swan]

yep

its global tho

so it means you can have it on the weapon

and slot soulrend in a skin of the lords

[earnest saddle]

that's some real value for pblood users

[lusty swan]

i'm super glad they put tags on the skill based one tho

[gusty token]

Ele convertion on vvenom gyre soubds fun when the chaos convert is removed 🤔

[lusty swan]

would feel so bad to have soulrend mod roll on an axe or rain of arrow on a sword

[earnest saddle]

soul taker, soul render

[lusty swan]

i'm not too knowledgeable about rolling magma , but if you get massive AoE on it you can hit a target with several bounces right?

or it just makes the bounces go further?

[earnest saddle]

proj speed decides how far it goes

the aoe should work for overlap

[lusty swan]

that sounds great

with the 200% more aoe from the mod

[earnest saddle]

if exarch still drops as many annihilating light as usual it might be pretty easy to get it on that

[lusty swan]

maybe yeah but just the mod could multiply the damage which is nice

while keeping good clear

[earnest saddle]

might be pressured into weaponswapping

[lusty swan]

idk but the gem got some decent base damage if you get 3 hits with it the boss dps could be glorious

or more

[earnest saddle]

I was thinking more about 0% proj speed rolling magma with the new bow

or at least below 25%

[lusty swan]

yeah but then your clear is completely arse

[earnest saddle]

weapon swap to the rescue

[lusty swan]

if you can just make each bounce AoE for half the screen the clear stays quite good

[earnest saddle]

is this the ultimate in poison flameblast technology?

[lusty swan]

yeah thats good for poison

[inland mulch]

is this crucible tree?

[earnest saddle]

https://poedb.tw/us/Weapon_passive#WeaponPassive

[inland mulch]

🤔

do you double dip mine and trap dmg

rolling magma sounds busted

[rough citrus]

poison blast rain login

[rough citrus]

also apparently the incinerate mod is broken

lets you spam the big damage wave

[inland mulch]

hiero rolling magma busted

get slower projectiles and it wont even hinder clear

its aoe with lvl 20 rolling magma, without any increases

[tulip jay]

Put on a pledge of hands for 150% increased aoe final repeat... Or more if you set it up

[inland mulch]

yeah

get gloomfang , snakepit

actualy busted

archmage saved

this one is interesting

saves your finger when clearing

it becomes 0.6s soul gain prevention

[lost dome]

with 20% reduced skill effect duration doesnt that become zero? or do those skills have the duration clauses on em?

[inland mulch]

it has no skill effect duration

consindering they bounce after hit

most likely it gonna make molten strike clear ez

[lost dome]

does projectile speed work for vaal molten strike?

[inland mulch]

yes i think

so resummoned totems die?

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/807809192537882647/1067913040755970049/mfwcat.gif

why this piece of shit is on bonezone

unless you want to run generals cry

honestly, generals cry node makes you able to use it with 2h

without redblade

15 power requires per warcry

its capped on bosses

[ionic badger]

corpse pact boneshatter

[icy juniper]

i love the rolling magma area node

i wonder how big you could get the area

kinda want to try a hierophant selfcast thing with it

indigon 👀

[inland mulch]

~40 aoe with very low investment

i did quick pob

if you get pledge with it

your last repeat aoe can reach probably like 65 aoe

[icy juniper]

the arc/crackling lance "added cold damage = to 20% of mana cost" thing would be very good for indigon memes i think

and i've written the skeleton of a hierophant indigon rolling magma build

selfcast blight being a thing would be awesome

if i get flameblast additional stages i'm 100% doing a flameblast build lol

you'd have to ignite the enemy with a different skill to proc the 100% increased damage though

[icy juniper]

stampede will be actually cracked this league

you could legitimately do a hit-based flame dash totem build with this+stampede lmao

[reef shoal]

oddly enough the added cold damage = 12/20% of mana cost isn't as big a boost as you'd initially think, at least if you use Arcane Cloak. On heavy mana stackers with Indigon you get such a colossal amount of flat damage from Arcane Cloak that the extra bit of cold doesn't amount to a huge buff.

The 0.8% of mana regenerated per second and 8% more max mana however....that is very nice 😄

[icy juniper]

it's not possible to have 100% uptime on arcane cloak, so

nodes like that make it slightly more consistent damage-wise

[reef shoal]

true, it's definately still very nice 😄 Just not as crazy as I initially thought before I plugged it into PoB.

[icy juniper]

this with the SRS diamond shrine one 👀

[graceful compass]

@modern dagger I don't think anyone knows

Also you probably want to keep leaks to this channel

[modern dagger]

anyone know what courpses do for boneshatter? lol

[pliant rock]

For boneshatter itself, nothing

For any other skills or masteries, quite a bit

[obtuse sparrow]

Why be vague like that lol

[pliant rock]

Vague like what

[obtuse sparrow]

"quite a lot" is very vague

[pliant rock]

I can't recall all the interactions immediately

Like the new recovery mastery that consumes a nearby corpse every 3 seconds to heal you for 10% life

[obtuse sparrow]

There ya go

[pliant rock]

All abyss uniques got very substatial buffs, so having corpse generation for bubonic trail might be good

Then there's always detonate and volatile for anyone interested in some silly hybrid builds that probably won't work

Boneshatter is like the only good melee skill anyway so it's kinda fair that it doesn't get anything special

At least it didn't get fucked over like viper and pestilent

[inland mulch]

heavy strike

[pliant rock]

I've always wanted to do a pure chaos hit based build, but some bland ass increase per frenzy just won't do

[modern dagger]

soooo boneshatter necro build is what im seeing

[prisma perch]

whats this channel

[gusty token]

A soulwrest with minion geting shrines will probly cost a fair penny 😆

[south mango]

well if you are using 3 phantasms

then you arent doing it with soulwrest as whole point of that staff is to double the count lul

[gusty token]

@south mango diamond shrine and massivr shrine one

[south mango]

yes doesnt that limit?

[rough citrus]

it does

limit 3 srs

[south mango]

yea, and same for phantasms

so soulwrest is terrible with it

[muted torrent]

what does the sap amount is based on ? wiki says it reduced damage dealt up to 20% What would be the result in this case ?

[split bluff]

Believe sap default is 5%?

[south mango]

i think its 6?

yea

[split bluff]

Close enough

Only way to get 20% is if you inflict it from a skill

[muted torrent]

thx

[coral spoke]

is there no flat lightning dmg for one handed weps from the crucible passives?
the only ones I can find have the 2h tag

[split bluff]

There is flat lightning on 1h

Adds 6 to 101 Lightning Damage

Highest tier

[ionic badger]

i am legit hyped for the lightning tendrils totem thing

[floral relic]

@tough otter DEW IT

[tough otter]

yeah yeah I saw it

but

meme

[pliant rock]

Tendril AND spark totems you mean

[ionic badger]

the spark totem is just s tax

so i can have 200% more damage on marylene's tendrils

[pliant rock]

More damage?

[ionic badger]

well more castrate technically

[pliant rock]

[ionic badger]

it makes every pulse empowered

[pliant rock]

Just to make sure, you are aware of the tendril change right?

[ionic badger]

if i'm reading it right

yes

hence marylenes

and critmulti stacking

my normal casts do basically no damage

so i treat them as though they dont exist

[pliant rock]

That part doesn't sound bad, but you're still gonna have to sacrifice a totem for spark

[ionic badger]

that spark totem can be a curse applicator or something

[pliant rock]

Can it?

[ionic badger]

i dont see why not

[pliant rock]

I haven't touched totems in years so idk

[ionic badger]

do like spark-totem-hextouch-conductivity

[ionic badger]

bruh

whatever it can just be a ghetto decoy totem

get a random shieking bolts on a megalo

so it can taunt

and plop it in a corner

[pliant rock]

It's gonna get deleted instantly

And I'm pretty sure you lose the tendril bonus then

[ionic badger]

also true

blessed rebirth for totems when

[icy juniper]

totem blessed rebirth would make me play totems every league forever

[trail siren]

its useless tbh

dont look at it even

better to play lightning tendrils cwc

finally poe tomorrow1

[bitter sandal]

The stance swap meme

[pliant rock]

They already got rid of that

[bitter sandal]

From the spoiler list?

Trigger Level 20 Stance Swap when you Attack with Perforate or Lacerate

[icy juniper]

@swift kestrel

[swift kestrel]

oh shit

those ARE juicy

[icy juniper]

you'd want to dual-wield wands for that i assume

[swift kestrel]

ye

[icy juniper]

unlikely to get them on the same wand

you'd also be wanting phantasms as well

[latent ore]

do those override modifiers to max minions

or just the base

[icy juniper]

yes i assume

[latent ore]

Red Covenant memes

[icy juniper]

for some reason i doubt that works, but if it does, you're right it would be nuts

[latent ore]

it either hard sets it to 3 and cov works; or resets the base then other + max should work

I would think

[icy juniper]

the word "is" makes me think it's the former

testing will be required

[latent ore]

With at least 40 Intelligence in Radius, Discharge Cooldown is 250 ms

its that wording

[icy juniper]

but giant SRS with splash damage for clear would be fun yes

[latent ore]

secondary damage 100% crit

crit popcorn SRS, but only 3 at a time

how does srs hp compare to skeles

apparently roughly double the hp of a skele and half a zombie at gem lvl 20

[icy juniper]

arc traps finally coming back this league? lmao

tbh with the massive density of breaches now it might not be a bad idea to play like... vaal arc with stuff like this

do legion/breach stuff

[latent ore]

arc doesnt really need more chaining range when its that dense

[icy juniper]

that's fair, but have you considered: clearing whole maps with single button presses

[latent ore]

oh yeah less dense stuff its great

old arc was 50, nerfed to 25, buffed to 35.

60% would make it 56

[icy juniper]

builds that use the stampede looking at this like 👀

[rough citrus]

bama gamers

[latent ore]

doesnt it already give like 80

[icy juniper]

true, but also consider: LOTS of cooldown recovery

also consider: replica stampede

[latent ore]

wait

body swap is a travel skill isnt it. IVE NEVER THOUGHT OF THAT

[icy juniper]

the builds are waiting

[latent ore]

how low can you get CoC body swap

[rough citrus]

frostblink gaming

[icy juniper]

bodyswap doesn't have a cooldown though

[icy juniper]

this would be the real use of the replica stampede/crucible node interaction

[latent ore]

triggered bodyswap does

[rough citrus]

frostblink is already basically meta

[icy juniper]

"cooldown recovery rate of travel skills" would reduce coc cooldown?

[rough citrus]

might as well go all in and turn it into lightning warp

[latent ore]

the skill is a travel skill I dont see why not

[pliant rock]

The skill is, but cast on crit isn't

[latent ore]

cast on crit doesnt have a CD

it just cant cast a skill on CD, and makes skills go on cooldown

[icy juniper]

another diamond SRS/phantasm interaction

[latent ore]

so 100% crit chance minion instability is uh. alot of damage.

[icy juniper]

if you can get all 4 of these interactive mods between two weapons you've got a ridiculous build

i think my favorite part of this is that you can start with i86 minion wands that have no mods on them, and after you get the crucible tree you want you can craft the wands

i.e. the crucible tree and actual mods on the item are separate projects, which is quite fun

[latent ore]

minion nodes on tree no clusters + 160 crit multi mod + diamond shrine + red cov + flamibility vs normal pinacle

theres a meme here for sure somewhere.

[icy juniper]

...

that's a lot of damage for 0 investment

put the phantasms in too

[latent ore]

I mean besides the 2 mod weapon tree

[icy juniper]

true

[latent ore]

and theres no mechanism to pop them besdies infernal

theres like an srs amulet right

[icy juniper]

yes, tavukai

tbh i wonder about non-instability dps

[latent ore]

same tree with a more attack based 6L; so probably could get it somewhere considering I have like 0 attack speed and accuracy and such

and of course only the hat on + diamond shrine + 160 crit weapon tree

[limber idol]

hum... 75% reduced maximum summon raging spirit + minion instability doesnt look good at all. Sure your average hit is high for a non-geared character, but your hit rate will be suuuuuper low. which will lead to zdps.

[latent ore]

its a dumb meme either way; but the point was the diamond shrine passive ignores 75% reduced max, presumably.

hit rate of 6 per second if you set it up right

though that'd be hard to do perfectly. would probably be more like 3 or 4

speaking of I have maligaro's lense with necro aegis. any good necro aegis shield tree mods for minions

[earnest saddle]

rumors are Twister was saved by the downsides on these

[unkempt lion]

goddamn

thats a lot of buffs on you expire

[earnest saddle]

I have to imagine unholy might and faster expiration of bird buffs is the chase mod

[unkempt lion]

phasing isnt bad for them too afaik

if its free phasing for mapping i'd not complain

[earnest saddle]

there's another whole section of them

[unkempt lion]

what the shit

lmao

[earnest saddle]

but I don't know if onslaught effect is really that much value

for saqawals

[unkempt lion]

onslaught is just more move speed

if its just scaling your damage via buffs expire

why not

[earnest saddle]

someone said you don't have to wear all the other bad pieces of the armor now

[unkempt lion]

or you can double down

and make it go faster

[earnest saddle]

Someone being pixxelkick

[unkempt lion]

nah

I dont like the build

farts all over the screen

[earnest saddle]

the tornado on tornado shot passive looks great, it seems to have a 5 second cooldown so you wont just be replacing it every shot

[small pewter]

that part isnt even the good part. not even worth getting these for twister

[dry silo]

You think it's worth going for a good T5 over optimal T1-4s for TS? 🤔 I'ma be building TS in ssf

I'm guessing you get a random T5 every melt or every few melts

[south mango]

hmm 5 second cooldown is pretty useless, did not noticed its written there too

[earnest saddle]

why is it bad?

[south mango]

because you want to replace it every shot

[earnest saddle]

I thought you wanted it to live long enough to absorb projectiles

[south mango]

no

you want to chain from tornado to bosses as it has big hitbox

so ideally you never want to reach the proj limit on it

and so you want to recast it often

[earnest saddle]

well that and you only have so long to hit it

proj limit notwithstanding

[hollow canopy]

Is the LA ignite node any good on its own?

[pliant rock]

Idk about good, but it does open the option of doing something wild like all flat ele bow

And you don't need to run elementalist with it

[hollow canopy]

Hmph I think I'll just shoot for SR mine

[earnest saddle]

galvanic mines probably going to be pretty good

they're already good enough

will storm rain mines be worthwhile or are you going to instantly hit the 100 arrow cap

I'd hazard a guess you wouldn't need GMP in links

[hollow canopy]

I have no idea I just heard that it'd have potential for league mechanic to use mines instead of totems but that sounds like a problem

[earnest saddle]

why bows gotta be buffed and then tempt me with saboteur trigger nonsense

[hard echo]

So... brands kinda got the shaft crucible skill tree wise. I was really hoping to see some kind of +1 attatchment nonsence

[clear badger]

do act maps spawn less or the same amount of league mechanics as unspecced atlass maps ?

im talking act 8+

[icy juniper]

holy shit, they finally gave us a "single really powerful totem" modifier

[icy juniper]

you did get free occ pops on wintertide without having to be occ

[hard echo]

I saw that but arma brand can attach to reaper... that does squat

Guess you could do some kind of psn arcanist brand?

[icy juniper]

poison arcanist would be good cause triggerbots triggering double

[hard echo]

Im gonna try to see if i can use heiro and abuse pennance brand and actiavtion frequency. And arcane surge

Im almost tempted tho to go totems once again seems like i play them every league anymore. But storm burst got a pretty good one.. void sphere. And winter orb got hydro sphere on cast. And gc got that nova node which is bonkers imo

[idle sequoia]

Not remotely worth it

[icy juniper]

it's effectively a 5% increased attack speed per totem node lol

but it probably makes clearspeed better insofar as you're not usually summoning all your totems every pack

[idle sequoia]

Your ballistas summon in about a second if you do it full blown, you also don't need all your totems and siege ballista has innate 50% less ias

[icy juniper]

"Your ballistas summon in about a second if you do it full blown" wdym

[dry silo]

Nice, fuck T5s then lol