Community Species Suggestions

[short rover]

That would be the best option imo

[alpine thicket]

Yep.

[short rover]

Because I don’t think the water system in game rn is changing ever

Means we won’t get diving crocs but I think it’s a fine compromise

Unless they made a specific animation where a deinosuchus could dive a few feet before coming back up

But that wouldn’t be dynamic

[alpine thicket]

I'd be okay with animations like that to compensate a little.

[short rover]

Indeed

Would be fun to see an ambulo do maybe a half breaching animation

Kinda reference what its descendants will do

[mild rose]

Ah ok i see. Im not super versed in game mechanics and wasnt certain if it was something built into the engine theyre using that they cant just work around

[desert flame]

I saw a post on Reddit of animal graphs for each era of PK, and seeing that the Mesozoic era makes up the majority, I feel like there should be more animals from the Cenozoic and Paleozoic eras, excluding the Pleistocene.

https://www.reddit.com/r/pkgame/comments/1t1as0r/all_animal_species_put_into_a_pie_chart/

[lean hound]

Interesting

[desert flame]

At least by the end of EA, the proportion of the Cenozoic era will likely increase due to the three unique mammal species.
Also, if the vivarium animals in U19 are Meganeura and Arthropleura, the proportion of the Carboniferous era should increase as well.

[lean hound]

what if one of the mammals is mesozoic..

[desert flame]

If the semi-aquatic mammal was Didilphodon or Castrocauda, ​​it would be the Cretaceous or Jurassic period.
However, the fact that three Cenozoic animals are added remains unchanged, since a Cenozoic terror bird is included lol.

[low bridge]

There are Dozens of cool Cenozoic mammals

[desert flame]

yes
there are many mammals with unique appearances, such as Platybelodon, Chalicotherium, and Amphicyon. I hope that more of these unique mammals will be added in the future.

[amber field]

One mammal from the Neogene 😭 , literally the peak for mammal diversity... and we get only one animal from that period

[lean hound]

Can't get everything in ea

Assuming all goes well after ea, I think time periods with small rosters will definitely get some expansion

I'd hope for at least 4 animals from each

[amber field]

That's true but just one ? .. I know Ice age is more famous.. but still

Though we have good amount from Paleogene Period

[low bridge]

Menoceras, Platybelodon, Stegotetrabelodon, Ancylotherium, Sivatherium, Deinotherium, Dinofelis, Macrauchenia, Xenosmilus, Cave Hyena, Pachycrocuta, Archaeotherium, Aenocyon, Camelops, Aepycamelus, Titanotylopus, Stenomylus, Synthetoceras, Moropus, Daeodon, Moeritherium, Arsinoitherium, Syncerus Antiqqus, Rusingoryx, Hippo Gorgops, Embolotherium, Eobasileus, Uintatherium, Megacerops, Glyptodon, Prolibytherium, Glyptotherium, Shasta Ground Sloth, Paramylodon, Mylodon, Eucladoceros, Sinomegaceros, Arctodus, Agriotherium, Bramatherium, Discokeryx, Syndyoceras

A TON OF MAMMALS

Dude, sorry for that long message

🫡

Game has limitless potential for Cenozoic

[eager thunder]

Obdurodon insignis would be a neato vivarium animal

or dicksoni

[shy vale]

aren't some of them like pleistocene mammals?

[low bridge]

Yes

[shy vale]

some of them would work as alts for existing species in the game, such as sinomegaceros for megaloceros

also add anisodon, proconsul, agriotherium

[cosmic cosmos]

remember that its not just mammals we need from the cenozoic. there are loads of awesome birds and reptiles!

[peak hazel]

yeah

[shy vale]

like barinasuchus and boverisuchus

[low bridge]

Ornimegalonyx

Aptornis

[eager thunder]

The Big ass owl

Love that

[cosmic cosmos]

Gastornis, Kelenken, Titanis, Psilopterus, Genyornis, Dromornis

Varanus, Meiolana, Purussaurus, Hanyusuchus, Stupendemys/Carbonemys, Voay, Megalochelys, Mekosuchus, Gryposuchus, Mourasuchus

[low bridge]

Rhamphosuchus?

[cosmic cosmos]

thats also a good one

[slow shoal]

having both kelenken and titanis seems a bit redundant imo

[eager thunder]

I mean alt genuses are a thing

[short rover]

Not if they’re alts

Location variety / name recognition

[slow shoal]

if they are alts ye

but idk if thatll happen

[left spear]

Devin is the superior Kele alt either

[slow shoal]

if Gastornis gets in it should have a Diatryma alt

[short rover]

Based on the number of carnivore slots in u19 and if one of them IS kelenken…then yea probably not

Only 3 carni slots, one of them Utah and one of them carno

Leaves one slot for kelen with no alts

A bit disappointing but ah well

7 herbi slots…I think it’s deodicurus, megatherium with an alt of some kind, edmontonia with 2 alts (one of them being Denver), and this has literally no basis in anything and is complete cope but…therizinosaurus as a surprise animal

With the two insects being minis (one of which being anchiornis perhaps)

That’s my rough prediction for U19

[flint sable]

coty as surprise animal trust

[ancient ibex]

Phororhacos

[shy vale]

i think for herbivores it's doedicurus, megatherium (with eremotherium alt), edmontonia (with denversaurus alt), and arthropleura as a vivarium species

for insectivores i think it's meganeura and lepticidium

actually maybe cotylorhynchus would be like the 7th herbivore

[flint sable]

https://tenor.com/view/cotylorhynchus-cotylorhynchus-walk-walking-cotylorhynchus-gif-27547597

[shy vale]

also how could edmontonia have like 2 alts?

for what?

i get denversaurus but what else?

[flint sable]

multiple species of edmontonia

theres rugosidens and longiceps

and then denversaurus

[shy vale]

i see

[flint sable]

both are good remains too

[shy vale]

i think eremotherium as an alt for megatherium may be more likely because of prehistoric planet

[flint sable]

ironically rugosidens is more complete then longiceps

despite longiceps being the type

[flint sable]

ehhh

maybe

I kinda doubt it

[ancient ibex]

And Denversaurus is quite consistently found to be closer to longiceps than rugosidens

[flint sable]

I could see alts within megatherium genus perhaps

[ancient ibex]

Megatherium has subgenera IIRC

[flint sable]

but iirc eremotherium would have a noticably different walk due to the lack of a digit

[flint sable]

correct

it has like 10 species iirc but people only care about literally just americanum

8 nvm

[shy vale]

though do you think that meganeura and lepticidium would be the 2 insectivores?

i think there would be like 3 vivarium species: meganeura, lepticidium, and arthropleura

[flint sable]

unironically thats my exact guess

especially since they all line up with "fan favorite"

[shy vale]

then the 4 herbivores (aside from the 3 that is likely to be present) would include cotylorhynchus too

though isn't meganeuropsis bigger than meganeura?
it's less known though...

actually is it possible to have a glyptodon or glyptotherium alt for doedicurus?

[short rover]

Eremo wouldn’t work as an alt

Its proportions and body are too different

[short rover]

No

[shy vale]

i see then

[plush nacelle]

When you look at both eremo and mega past just giant ground sloth gimmick both look genuinely so different it would be like making carcharodontosaurus alt to tyrannosaurus

[slim flare]

🤨

They’re not that different

[plush nacelle]

Heck, even both species of eremotherium cant be alt for each other, cause again vastly different hands

[limber needle]

We could have barinasuchus, kelenken, psilopterus, stupendemys, daeodon, moropus, josephoartigasia but nah another rhino instead

[amber field]

We are getting one some of them in U19 hopefully

[limber needle]

We getting the big-bara?

(I now realise that could refer to barinasuchus or josephoartigasia)

[limber needle]

Also obligatory praepusa mention

[amber field]

No probably kelenken

[frosty heron]

We love the praepusa mention

peak animal

[low bridge]

Doedicurus too

[limber needle]

damn

[plush nacelle]

Technically there are 2 neogene animals in Pk

Peltephilus is one, but in game is assigned to paleogene instead

And this chart is based on in game classification

[low bridge]

What, this is illegal

[low bridge]

We need sloths smaller than Megatherium but still big

[short rover]

I said that

[low bridge]

My bad dude i just don't seen it idk how

[desert flame]

I'm hoping that Gastornis will be added to the U19 unknown herbivore, using Kelenken's rig.

[low bridge]

Peltephilus Ferox as species lived Miocene but as Genus Peltephilus lived from Oligocene to Mid Miocene Dude

[hollow flower]

Would love to see Kairuku or another extinct penguin species

Not sure if they would be a vivarium critter or not though

Probably not right?

[flint sable]

size alone would negate that

would have to either be habitat or some kind of aquarium

[ancient ibex]

Yeah, those and Hesperorns would likely be better once aquatic/amphibious animals are a workable deal

[flint sable]

I would imagine that the largest guy you could feasibly get away with that would be the great auk

since its comparable in size to simosuchus

[lean hound]

was it really that small?

[flint sable]

ya

most size comparisons use the neck entirely streched out

[ancient ibex]

Can see it requiring the largest vivarium tho

[flint sable]

definitely

[ancient ibex]

And it'd still be a smallish penguinarium

[coarse inlet]

Yeah idk if the vivariums are big enough for a larger auk

Since based on modern auks they’d be very energetic and fast swimmers that’d need a good amount of space

[slim flare]

Penguindrum…

[eager thunder]

https://images.newscientist.com/wp-content/uploads/2023/10/05115522/SEI_174736283.jpg my beloved mega Penguin

[slim flare]

Honestly Cryolophosaurus is probably too overlooked

It’s pretty cool and I like it’s from Antartica

Obviously there’s at least a dozen theropods that need the slot more, but after that it’d be nice

[low bridge]

Orkoraptor? Medium sized Megaraptorid

[silver steeple]

Meh

I'd rather just have meg atp

[low bridge]

Australovenator, Austroraptor, Concavenator, Giganotosaurus, Mapusaurus, Daspletosaurus, Thanatostheries, Lytronax, Qianzhosaurus are needed

[slim flare]

Lystronax is such a nothing burger genus

Apparently it lived with Diabloceratops, but we don’t have Diabloceratops so

[peak hazel]

its truly somewhere on the list of tyrannosauroids that should be added

[low bridge]

We should have more dinos from Dinosaur Park Formation

[feral cedar]

Not to mention Lythronax is one of the first tyrannosaurids to start going for needlessly edgy names

[peak hazel]

below Nanotyrannus, Albertosaurus/Gorgosaurus, Megaraptor, Yutyrannus, Guanlong and Daspletosaurus

and a few others

[low bridge]

Dynamoterror???

[slim flare]

At the bottom, sure

[peak hazel]

who cares about Dynamoterror in 2026

[low bridge]

There are better than this

[peak hazel]

it exists but why would it be needed for pk

[feral cedar]

We only really need rex, alberto, and alio/qianzhou

[slim flare]

I can live without Daspleto, and I’d include Alioramus instead, but yeah

[feral cedar]

all other tyrannosaurids are meh

[peak hazel]

oh yeah I forgot Alioramus

[slim flare]

Daspleto gets fourth place

[peak hazel]

thats more important as well

[slim flare]

After that, I truly feel a fifth Tyrannosaurid is an actual waste

[peak hazel]

I guess Dryptosaurus is also there but idk

[slim flare]

Meh

[peak hazel]

not needed

[low bridge]

Driptosaurus

Lol

[peak hazel]

Nano is definitely the best of those guys

[slender tangle]

All they'd need to implement Nano would be to rerig the juvie rex

Very easy addition

[slim flare]

I mean same with every Tyrannosaurid

[low bridge]

Daspletosaurus would be Good

[peak hazel]

I'd like it but theres lots I'd like more

[alpine thicket]

Lythronax is an actually successsful edgy name but it's not worthwhile to add at all.

There's other tyrannosaurids that offer much more.

[peak hazel]

nononono we need Thanatotheristies

I think its called that

so useful

[low bridge]

Thanatostheries is better than that

[alpine thicket]

it is not no

[peak hazel]

I was being sarcastic vro

didn't know the bit would be done seriously 2 seconds later

[feral cedar]

Daspletosaurus would probably be the very last tyrannosauroid to add

[low bridge]

We only need Nanotyrannus, Gorgosaurus ,Daspletosaurus, Albertosaurus, Qianzhosaurus, Alioramus to be happy

[feral cedar]

Thanatotheristes is just edgy named nothingburger Daspletosaurus

[alpine thicket]

Lythronax isn't a weird clunky mouthfull and the name meaning is actually pretty neat and it sounds cool to say and is cool to read
It's not worth adding to the game at all though.

[peak hazel]

I can think of a single digit number of tyrannosauroids I'd 100% want

[alpine thicket]

AlbertoGorgo, Alio, Nano.

[peak hazel]

Alberto(/Gorgo), Nano, Guanlong, Megaraptor, Alio(/Qianzhou)

[low bridge]

Moros?

[alpine thicket]

Those are my picks as far as tyrannosaurids/just outside tyrannosauridae depending on how Nano ends up.

Tyrannosauroids as a whole slightly wider.

[peak hazel]

unless I'm getting my taxonomy wrong and Guanlong and Megaraptor are outside of Tyrannosauroidea

but I don't think I am

[feral cedar]

Nanotyrannus, Dryptosaurus, Juratyrant, and Alectrosaurus/Khaankhuuluu fall under the general “Lithe fast-running tyrannosauroid” niche right

[alpine thicket]

Megaraptorans are pretty conceretely coelurosaurs, tyrannosauroids is possible but uncertain.

[slim flare]

Albertosaurus + Gorgosaurus
Alioramus + Qianzhousaurus?
Nanotyrannus
Yutyrannus
Guanlong
A Megaraptorid

If we get an adult Alioramus described, honestly I have no desire for Qianz

[low bridge]

Suskityrannus?

[alpine thicket]

But yeah if we're going further obviously I want Yuty and Guanlong would be nice.
Megaraptorans if tyrannosauroids too, but like if they're not I still want them.

[peak hazel]

oh I forgot yuty despite mentioning it earlier

washed

[feral cedar]

Yuty my goat

[peak hazel]

yeah yuty would be great

[feral cedar]

If I had to pick one singular non-tyrannosaurid to add

It’d be Yuty

[eager thunder]

Big yuty hours

[low bridge]

Could Aptornis be added to RE Dlc??

[feral cedar]

Yutyrannus is probably not a proceratosaurid right

[peak hazel]

I have no idea

[feral cedar]

Cause like

I have to admit it and Guanlong being in the same family is uh

[low bridge]

We need to witness comeback of Yangchuanosaurus

[feral cedar]

interesting

[eager thunder]

Guanlong would be super cool

[peak hazel]

it does look like a big proceratosaur

but at the same time

[feral cedar]

Wouldn’t surprise me if we got a Yutyrannidae with Sinotyrannus includes

[feral cedar]

true

anyway proceratosaur rep with Guanlong and Yuty

[peak hazel]

yeah thats good

don't really need for anything else

[eager thunder]

Big feather fellas

[peak hazel]

Guanlong being a procerato standin also means I can recreate jp
with Allosaurus instead of Segisaurus

as it should be

or just Coelophysis instead of segi

[eager thunder]

What about metri?

What’s replacing that

Personally I’d do Carno, no actual reason outside I like Carnotaurus

[peak hazel]

oh metri

well

either Allosaurus because they're both allosauroids
or Yangchuanosaurus because thats a metriacanthosaur

[eager thunder]

Right right makes sense

I think Carno does kinda fit that weird theropod style too actually

[peak hazel]

metriacanthosaurs are far more generic

its between them and megalosaurs for the title of John Theropod

[eager thunder]

I guess them being there at all is just the weird bit

Metricanthosaur of all things

[feral cedar]

Yangchuanosaurus feels like the perfect dinosaur I’d see added to JP/JW because “Chinese dinosaur”

[feral cedar]

fun fact

Tom Holtz believes metriacanthosaurids are the most vanilla theropods; and of the metriacanthosaurs, the most generic one is Sinraptor

Sinraptor is THE John Theropod

[eager thunder]

I mean wouldn’t John Theropod be like, one of the early theropod dinosaurs like Celophysis? Or are we talking generic as in the most common traits

[mint creek]

I'm all in on John Theropod for PK 2027

[feral cedar]

most common traits

Coelophysis and Triassic-Early Jurassic theropods had the long neck, but this was lost in almost all more derived theropods

[eager thunder]

Right then right then

[feral cedar]

Sinraptor truly doesn’t have anything truly definitive

Perfectly average size, simple crests, arms aren’t too long nor too short

It is THE John Theropod

[eager thunder]

Sinoraptor being the Metriacanthosaurus of PK would be funny

Of the weird John theropod pick

[ancient ibex]

Why rerig? You know Deinocheirus and Tyrannosaurus share a rig right?

But yeah, Eutyrannosaurs at the same size are very similar

[ancient ibex]

The JWE Metri is a Sinraptor

Literally

Metriacanthosaurus is only on the radar because Greg Paul gregpauled, lumped Yangchuanosaurus into the nothingburger ass genus from the UK, AND erected Metriacanthosauridae for it

There is a reason Sinraptoridae was in use for a while

And Yangchuanosauridae would be the rightful name lol

Anyway, for Eutyrannos I find Khankuuluu/Alectro to be quite appealing, by virtue of what they lived with

Nanotyrannus has the weirdest fans lol

[alpine thicket]

I mean
it's neat it lived alongside a bunch of other cool animals it'd be great DLC.

[eager thunder]

I wonder what John Ceratopsian would be

[slim flare]

Triceratops

Duh

[ancient ibex]

True, but on the other hand I long for more Turonian-Coanician Asian fauna beyond Gigantoraptor hehe

[ancient ibex]

Literally an insane weirdo

[ancient ibex]

A psittacosaur or Graciliceratops pretty much

[alpine thicket]

It's kind of hard to pick one in terms of more derived ceratopsians because they're all so varied.

[ancient ibex]

They really have incredibly diversity in display features

[low bridge]

Kosmoceratops for example

Weird frill

[ancient ibex]

Triceratops and Pachyrhinosaurus are about the weirdest, being gargantuan and with weird-ass takes on those features

[low bridge]

More Centrosaurs are needed they were the peakiest

[slim flare]

Rude

[ancient ibex]

Nah, Trike is utterly insane in a great way

[rigid spindle]

Oceania Pack (p3)

Diprotodon
This bigback of the outback large herbivore would act as a mid-late game animal that gives a very high appeal rate with relatively low enclosure requirements, allowing you to rack up rating points very easily to afford larger animals for your parks

Concepts by me

[eager thunder]

Fantastically bizarre

Does that also make torosaurus a freak or something

Cause that seems odd

[ancient ibex]

Nah, Torosaurus is like Trike but more vanilla

No paedomorphic frill

[shy vale]

eh, there's dilophosaurus already tbh

in terms of additional therapod representation i would rather have noasaurs

like maybe 1 or 2

[silver steeple]

I don't really see how Cryo is invalidated by dilo

[shy vale]

because we have like a basal neotherapod in this game already

[silver steeple]

Sure they're related

But that's kinda it

[shy vale]

i just feel we should get at least 1 representative of other therapod groups we don't have, such as noasaurs

[silver steeple]

Cryo is larger and fits a size niche we don't have much of, comes from a very different area with very different biomes

[shy vale]

(i'm already counting carnotaurus as abelisaur representation btw)

[silver steeple]

Sure but that doesn't make Cryo bad

[shy vale]

fair enough, but i think i would maybe have it after getting in 1-2 noasaurs, a therizinosaur, a caenagnathid, a troodontid, and an unenlagiine in terms of missing therapod representation

also a megaraptoran should be added

my choices:
-noasaurs: masiakasaurus (carnivore), limusaurus/elaphrosaurus (herbivore)
-therizinosaur: therizinosaurus
-caenagnathid: gigantoraptor (though other choices like anzu, which have been found in formations that other dinosaurs in the game are present in, are ok)
-troodontid: latenivenatrix/stenonychosaurus/"troodon" (if it actually does become valid again), or alternatively, saurornithoides, zanabazar, or even hesperornithoides, mei, geminiraptor (or others that have been found with dinosaurs in the game)

[ancient ibex]

Oh yeah, completely different size classes

Come the fuck on

[shy vale]

-unenlagiine: austroraptor
-megaraptoran: joaquinraptor (yeah i know i keep on bringing it up but it is one of the more complete ones)

[silver steeple]

A. Chill out
B. I said it was larger and from a underrepresented size niche, not a completely different size class

[ancient ibex]

My bad

I believe it'd be cool dont get me wrong tho

I'm just frustrated at how enduring the carcharodontosauresque recon is 😅

[strange meadow]

i like cryo its a very cool and very 90s dinosaur

[ancient ibex]

Lower effort animal tho, and that's neat

[strange meadow]

the game does need a lot less giants

in terms of dinosaurs

[ancient ibex]

Massospondylids incluiding Glacialisaurus would also compliment it neatly

[shy vale]

massospondylus and heterodontosaurus could add more african representation

also more early jurassic stuff

[strange meadow]

you could probably do some alt genus stuff for masso as well

[shy vale]

glacialisaurus and lufengosaurus as alts?

[strange meadow]

probably not lufengosaurus

[shy vale]

oh, and sarahsaurus

[silver steeple]

Agreed

[strange meadow]

it's way bulkier

sarahsaurus i can see yeah

[silver steeple]

Sarahsaurus is neat

[ancient ibex]

And Lesothosaurus

Scutellosaurus for Kayenta as well

[strange meadow]

honestly i think lufengosaurus is different enough from plateo to warrant being a dlc inclusion or something, and glacialisaurus is closest to it so it could be an alt

[shy vale]

alt for scelidosaurus?

[strange meadow]

scutellosaurus would be fun its a fun critter

no

entirely different animals

[shy vale]

i see then

[ancient ibex]

Although these 3 ornithischians would likely be vivariums

[ancient ibex]

Quite similar tho

[silver steeple]

Eh

[shy vale]

which formations have only 1 taxon?

[silver steeple]

Multiple

[shy vale]

i think it's loewenstein/trossingen, mackunda, eumeralla, jiufotang, kayenta, fram, for starters...

[silver steeple]

Just meso yes

I know SIno, Juxia, and S. populator are all also alone

[shy vale]

though there are some things that could be added that were around a similar time close to these lone ones

i think with the re-dating of the muttaburrasaurus holotype this could mean that winton fauna is closer now?

[feral cedar]

To be fair Juxia and Sinotherium are more along the lines of neat bonuses rather than animals to be given the type of attention that’d necessitate contemporaries

[shy vale]

i would say that for some dinosaurs there are very easy alts that could be added to provide more formation representation

[silver steeple]

Not saying they need companions

Just pointing out that they are also alone

Idk what they could even get

[flint sable]

juxia and sinotherium?

[silver steeple]

Yeah

[flint sable]

uhhhh

[cosmic cosmos]

joaquin is not complete enough to be picked over megaraptor itself

[flint sable]

doesnt seem to be much info on juxia, but sinotherium has more

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Liushu_Formation

a few basal giraffids, dinocruta, machairodus, and hipparion

out of everything I would say Dinocruta has the biggest chance

otherwise whats the name of Juxia's formation again?

I forgot

[silver steeple]

Should be on the wiki

[flint sable]

found it

ok so irl the formation equates to a well in northern china

near the mongolian border

[silver steeple]

Yeah

[flint sable]

ok

i found

this

https://paleobiodb.org/classic/basicCollectionSearch?collection_no=28786

there is essentially nothing of note

mostly indeterminate

brontotheres, rodents, carnivorans, chalicotheres, amnyodonts

and some named rabbits and other things

[slim flare]

Did you not see the comment two down?

[shy vale]

yeah i saw it

[distant depot]

are there 0 paleozoic animals in pk

or 1

[silver steeple]

Habitat yes, vivarium no

[cosmic cosmos]

Diplocaulus and Diictodon

[slim flare]

(So no real animals yet)

Dimetrodon os confirmed to becoming post-EA

[limber needle]

Makes me wonder what they were thinking with tiktaalik

[maiden arch]

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=pSMEemlyiX0

[left spear]

That's not very specific

[peak hazel]

yeah guys can we get Mammuthus primigenius

[mint creek]

goated suggestion

[cosmic cosmos]

add the quaternary as a map, clearly their request

like, the whole planet across 2.6 million year

[slender tangle]

We need Seazoria dragons

[desert flame]

Wombat skins are lovely.

[slim flare]

The reason there’s not a lot of Cenozoic animals in PK is because the devs aren’t aware of many

[outer crater]

Except for sivatherium

[desert flame]

I hope that after the EA update, many animals other than dinosaurs will be added.
Cenozoic and Paleozoic

[desert flame]

I'd like to see various synapsids from the Paleozoic.

[alpine thicket]

So would I, but I hope they don't do them overly mammalian like that

[limber needle]

id like to disagree

[short rover]

Why

[limber needle]

looks cool+ alternate skins can be used (idk why i phrased the original message like that🥀💔)

[lean hound]

It pushes a misleading stereotype

[limber needle]

what stereotype excactly im curious

this is the OG concept art of ino btw

[short rover]

Yea and it’s bad

And outdated

Reeks of the 2010s trend of mammalizing (?) early synapsids

Same reason brachiosaurus was fat in early concept art

[hollow flower]

And Torvosaurus was feathered

[short rover]

I don’t mind the idea of torvo having some feathering in general but yea the covering was far too much

And was another obnoxious 2010s paleomeme

[limber needle]

i guess im a nostalgia victim

[lean hound]

Wasn't there also a feathered allo in the original 50?

[short rover]

Yes!

(Which I also don’t mind on principle)

[hollow flower]

Man that is a weird Allo

[limber needle]

i get seeing an issue with a thick coat of fur on a gorgonopsid, but some sparse fur and whiskers cant hurt

[hollow flower]

And the barb faced Camptosaurus is also intruiging

[short rover]

The arm feathering is so odd

[short rover]

It can because they probably didn’t have fur at all

Or hair in general

It’s very likely hair didn’t come until later down the line with more derived synapsids

[short rover]

This allo makes my distaste for a quill / arm feathered conca more real

Ah well

The superior feathered conca

[lean hound]

I love this depiction sm

It just looks so satisfying

Perfect feathering too

[short rover]

Indeed

As with all of joschuas depictions, it feels like a real animal

Tangible

[river perch]

The tiny bird framed poor Conca for murder

[river perch]

I like it in theory, but in execution it always has an unnatural “slapped on” quality to me

Especially when it’s just the quills. More proper plumage is a little better

But yeah it tends to remind me of 2010s raptors where the feathering feels glued on

Anyhow, I wonder how they would go about doing it. I definitely think at least 1 skin would include it

[short rover]

It’s probably an unpopular opinion but I’ve grown to not want any to have them

It probably will though

[alpine thicket]

My feelings on quill Conca, especially as the likelihood of those actually being quill knobs has just gone down, has gotten worse and worse
Meanwhile for Ino I want no skins wasted on whiskers, fur, dark noses, and mammal lips
They were far weirder than that and it's a disservice to make them look like mammals

[peak hazel]

I think with the early stem mammals and therapsids and such

should make it clear that they're early mammals without making them look like mammals

if that makes sense

[river perch]

think a fine enough middle ground would be to allude to those relations in the coloration/patterning, but not so much integument

Even then I’d like to see some more unique/out there color schemes as well

Thank goodness for 3 skin system

[river perch]

If it’s worth anything, I relate to this but with Amargasaurus

LMAO

I understand why some have suggested it have an old school spikey skin, but I would like to get three pattern designs for the current look instead

The solution to all these problems is to give every animal four skins !!!

[alpine thicket]

Spike skin for Amarga is just wasting a skin slot honestly

[river perch]

In fairness I think some suggestions I’ve seen is more of a middle ground where they’d just be jutting out of the sail a bit, tho it’s not entirely clear in my mind how to visualize this

[slow shoal]

speaking of amarga

lowkey dont particularly want a bajada alt

[alpine thicket]

Neither do I honestly I'd rather three Amarga skins

[river perch]

It’s fine I suppose

I became less interested when I learned the material doesn’t confidentially suggest the supposed look as much as I thought it would

[alpine thicket]

Well you see it turns out the Bajada was actually firing its neck spines at relativistic speeds, much like the modern porcupine

[river perch]

And that’s why….. it will be a surprise species for the combat update

Genius. Genius

[peak hazel]

ark Amargasaurus

[short rover]

I agree

Especially when there’s such good skin potential

[short rover]

Me neither

Amarga still in top 5 range of my most wanted dino list

[slow shoal]

how i could see them doing amarga is something similar to dilo in a way

one skin has classic sails

[short rover]

Would be cool

[slow shoal]

one has the spikes kinda poking out of the top

and another has fattier sails

[river perch]

🔥

I’m a little more partial towards Nigersaurus, but Amarga my 2nd most wanted sauropod for sure

The big 2

The small 2, I guess

[short rover]

Niger is further down my list

I have dippy (ofc) then amarga and a mamench alt trio as my most wanted

[flint sable]

han solo for PK when

[river perch]

Very fair picks

I think the JWE niger endeared me to it far man than I expected

[ancient ibex]

Bajadasaurus is honestly one of the most sensationalistic dinosaurs ever

Cool sauropod skull

neural spine is also cool, may be taphonomically bent

That's it

[slow shoal]

i honestly think id be good with sauropods if the only ones we get after EA were diplo and amarga

[ancient ibex]

Eh, a few more would be great

[slow shoal]

i do want diplo to have like a supersaurus alt or something

[ancient ibex]

hallorum

[slow shoal]

i think we will prolly get more but id be satisfied with those two

[slim flare]

I’m cool with just the two real Diplos

[slow shoal]

i mean ye id envison it the two diplo species and supersaurus

[slim flare]

I’d only want Super if we have 4 skins

[ancient ibex]

Diplo, Amarga and Niger for diplodocoids; Salta, and perhaps Sauroposeidon and one of the dwarf Hatzeg titanosaurs for macronarians; Mamenchi, Shuno and maybe Vulcanodon for non-neosauropods; Eoraptor, Melanorosaurus and Massospondylid galore via alt for "prosauropods"

Now that they got media screentime perhaps more people make noise about them?

[outer crater]

that would be ulughbegsaurus

[ancient ibex]

Nah, not quite, nobody goes wild with extrapolation restoring it

Yet another fragmentary animal that jumps between carchs and megaraptorans

[shell sonnet]

Rather get Patagosaurus and Jobaria for the non-neosauropods instead of Vulcanodon

Oh and Mierasaurus

[ancient ibex]

Eh, Vulcanodon has anchor power and dwarf sauropod presence

[feral cedar]

And also the subjectively cooler name

Vulcanodon just sounds powerful

[ancient ibex]

Patagosaurus has the niche of being a better known cetiosaurid tho

But still, both it and Jobaria are already on the ballpark of Camarasaurus' size

[feral cedar]

I would 100% believe a lava monster in a Skyrim game or something is called VULCANODON

[left spear]

Sounds like an alternative name for Ark's Magmasaurs

[feral cedar]

Vulcanodon has a nice little size range

[shell sonnet]

Not sure I'd call Jobaria Camara size, and I certainly wouldn't put Patagosaurus in that size range

[feral cedar]

That size chart looks... off

The silhouette; was its tail really that long?

[feral cedar]

I would absolutely consider Jobaria to be in Camarasaurus ballpark

[pliant hinge]

Nanaimoteuthis haggarti

[slow shoal]

ah the classic newly described species suggestion

at least there is one good artwork attached this time

lowkey hilarious how hodari ignored cirrate anatomy and just made a generic big octo-squid

[charred cobalt]

ichtyovenator, the silliest looking spinosaurid i've seen sense forever. i love this thing more than my favorite dinosaur

[eager thunder]

That would make a good Barry alt

[alpine thicket]

Hodari just made it a big monsterpus in order to shove out his usual work.

[cosmic cosmos]

people mad at me for saying sucho would work, this def wouldnt

[eager thunder]

Are they?

Also what would make sucho not a good alt?

[peak hazel]

I have bad news

the spine is probably due to taphonomic deformation

[coarse inlet]

Oh no

I thought they ruled that out?

[peak hazel]

not from what I've read

[coarse inlet]

Or am I thinking of Concavenator

[peak hazel]

pretty sure that was conc

since we have more of it

[frosty heron]

You might be thinking of conca yeah

conc is super complete

icthyo is kinda bits of whatever

[coarse inlet]

Yeah that’s probably it

But yeah looking at the figures it definitely looks damaged

[short rover]

Different proportionally by quite a bit

[frosty heron]

Yeah sucho is shaped WEIRD

tbh Icthyo might still have merit as a bary alt without the notch with a more exaggerated paddle tail + unique region rep

[short rover]

We know like nothing abt it

Bary isn’t getting any alts anyways

[peak hazel]

its also a Spinosaurine not a Baryonichine

[eager thunder]

Those are different?

[short rover]

Baryonichines are spinosaurids

[peak hazel]

wait no
Spinosaurine

[short rover]

Yea

[peak hazel]

they're both Spinosaurids

[frosty heron]

wait what?

did not know that

my b

[frosty heron]

This is true

[eager thunder]

I’m pretty sure the devs mentioned only one other animal is getting an alt of any kind

[short rover]

What

They never said anything like that

[peak hazel]

nobody said that

[short rover]

We just know Bary isn’t getting an alt because it was a fish diet on trello before it was revealed and the only other fish slot on the trello is for ambulo

[peak hazel]

well its probably for ambulo

[short rover]

Unless you think ambulo is the meat eater and ambulo is getting an alt and not the crocodile who’s famous for eating meat (dinosaurs)

But I doubt that’s the case

[peak hazel]

I'm assuming its the fish slot but we'll see

[limber needle]

Whiskers or some small fuzz at least, or fur as babies

[short rover]

They probably didn’t have fur

Like at all

Period

I’d prefer the game reflect that

[limber needle]

Man it can't hurt as like 1 skin, every other skin can have scales or elephant skin

We have a feathered rex so I don't think a gorgonopsid with some slight hairs is that unreasonable

[short rover]

It is

As far as we know they hadn’t evolved yet

All dinosaurs descend from feathered ancestors

A partially feathered sauropod is technically more plausible than a furred gorgonopsian

[left spear]

Honestly just add the fur why bother with the gorgonopsid

[alpine thicket]

it's a waste of a skin

like unironically

wasting a skin slot if you put fur on the gorgonopsid.

Scales are more plausible(since we don't know precisely where those get dropped I think? There were some therapsids from the same time that definitely didn't have them though), bare skin is much more plausible, and both can have much more interesting things done with them then just trying to mammal a nonmammal.

[left spear]

I mean

It's very interesting

maybe not in a possitive way

but it is interesting

[mint creek]

speculative feathered gorgonopsid but chat isn't ready for that conversation

[slow shoal]

furry gorgonopsid may be as bad as featherless gallimimus

[ancient ibex]

It is a Spinosaurine and Spinosaurus halfway through its growth looks like it

[amber field]

I think there are some something like diictodon skin is good , with sporadic fur

[hollow flower]

But is it as bad as feathered Pachyrhino?

[amber field]

Something like this

[silver steeple]

Not really

It's taphonomically distorted yes but if you actually correct it properly, the notch is actually more exaggerated

[polar tinsel]

I have no horse in this race, but devs didn't shy way from speculative designs before, why would this be different?

[silver steeple]

Objectively it isn't

There's a decent chance that at least one gorgo skin does get furred

People here are just expressing they'd not like that

[vital grove]

give us the classic leathery synapsid with whiskers

[amber field]

I think elephant like skin would be nice

[limber needle]

I mean idk how recent that was but

[amber field]

Perhaps with more flashy parts , like a turkey

[alpine thicket]

i actually think even this is too mammal

[limber needle]

I mean I was thinking something similar to that concavenator depiction from earlier in the chat alongside whisker-y integument but i wouldn't mind bald-turkeyonyx

[low bridge]

Wonder if Suchomimus appear one day in Prehistoric Kingdom

[amber field]

I mean more primitive Synapsids have leathery skin , and we found some coprolite with fur so it's not that far off Imo

[alpine thicket]

The fur is heavily debatable and leaning on the unlikely side, but I mean the way the fact is reconstructed. Nose and lips are waaaay too mammal.

people cannot get over making the nose and lips mammal

[peak hazel]

I recon the nose would be closer to the internal nose that we see in reptiles

[hollow flower]

What do you think of the one that was in Loop

[alpine thicket]

mammal lips are a thing that is almost certainly tied to nursing.

[amber field]

Yeah I got you point , like thrinaxodon have something btween mammal and reptile lips

[alpine thicket]

ew

not even the skull shape is right

why can't people just make gorgonopsids look like gorgonopsids it's way cooler

[amber field]

The skull are more triangular right ?

[hollow flower]

Id like to see a good reconstruction of it in that case

I remember that one with all the spikes and dewlaps aswell

Thats also kind of not great

It was this one

Not a big fan of it myself

[alpine thicket]

yeah that's awful

[hollow flower]

I just noticed its in fact doing both

The baby is furry

[alpine thicket]

this isn't perfect but it's comparatively massively better

Gorgonopsids are a biiiiig victim of the 2010s paleoart mentality

So much art doesn't even want to properly use its anatomy and instead wants to alter the skull to be more mammal-like.

when like
this weird not a mammal that arose on the way to mammals is much more interesting then "a mammal with a couple things missing".

[vital grove]

Andrias matthewi, the largest non temnospondyl amphibian its in the same genus as modern giant salamanders. id say its big enough to get the crocodile treatment and be enclosure

[hollow flower]

What time period is it from?

[vital grove]

neogene so basically also the biggest amphibian after the crutaceous mass extinction

from north america

you could probably cohab them with giant bison haha

they were found in the same formations as: gomphotherium, tetrabelodon, ceratogaulus, and a bunch of primitive horses

[desert flame]

I think it would be a good idea to add a design to PK that is based on the most faithful Gorgonops design seen in paleontological media works.

[ancient ibex]

Knowing giant salamanders, don't think so, Tiktaalik coded IMO

[vital grove]

i know but still i want this thing in an enclosure

[ancient ibex]

Also reproduction

[vital grove]

they could easily have them start at a slightly larger size tbf, otherwise temnospondyls might have the same issue and they definitely have to be enclosure

the big ones

[ancient ibex]

Still, cryptobranchid salamanders are VERY vivarium coded animals

[vital grove]

i know but id love to have them chilling in a river with some gompotheres

[alpine thicket]

temnos largely didn't have larval stages as far as we know.

[vital grove]

its more how large would they realistically be since modern apmhibians produce many small offspring. even without the larval stage how large are they fresh out the egg

[alpine thicket]

uncertain, really

[vital grove]

id say with amphibians you can just make the babies a bit bigger for functionality

[alpine thicket]

I mean yeah with temnos just do that, it doesn't work for everything though.

[plush nacelle]

Giant salamanders can barely walk

This animal is vivarium coded

[coarse inlet]

I think small offspring isn’t as big of a hurdle as people act like, it’s not like the babies actually start out at newborn size in the game anyway

[slim flare]

I think the issue is they start out aquatic

[coarse inlet]

True

[left spear]

I mean

Maybe restrict their movement to water only with programming

Mock aquatics basically

[limber needle]

that would be a nice way to introduce a mechanic of having an animal which will either: 1- he eaten by adults in the enclosure (eg megalania) or 2- an animal who's environment changes as it ages (eg temnospondyls), be moved by keepers/the player as eggs or after being born, and be housed in a vivarium until they reach a stage where they are visible/safe in an enclosure, you see zoos do this all the time with varanids

[slim flare]

Aquatic nest…

[rugged sparrow]

Would Gerrothorax be cool?

[limber needle]

maybe just a modular peice with rocks and eelgrass/horsetails

or small pond

might also mean we can take grandpa out of the box

im mean theres tiktaalik sized seals (praepusa my precious) and you wouldnt put them in the box

also telmasaurus would be epic

[rugged sparrow]

Seals? Acrophoca?

Not sure what it’s classified as tho

[alpine thicket]

Like I said before the temno baby issue isn't really an issue
Lepospondyls on the other hand are probably stuck with only vivs.

Also pretty sure Praepusa has to be a mini due to how small the babies would be
But I do want Praepusa

[limber needle]

i really dont think that keeps with the "ethical zoo" thing

[alpine thicket]

Pretty sure the biggest viv would be fine

[limber needle]

i mean we,ve seen what happened at toba, i dont think we want that

the mid-range estimates seem to place them at baikal seal size

we dont want this, praepusa was probably a fairly social animal like damn near every modern seal, so a viv is basically not an option

we'd need to add diving before praepusa (or have them swim like normal until diving is added)

[alpine thicket]

I mean then we're probably not getting it, I don't know what to say it's too small
Though I'm pretty sure the biggest viv is larger than that.

[limber needle]

water depth is still an issue, and the land to water balance is nowhere near acceptable for a pinniped

baikal seals are around 130cm, with pups being about 70cm, i wouldnt call that unreasonable for a full exhibit

the largest size estimates for praepusa are 120cm btw

[ancient ibex]

The largest vivarium is larger than the mink, mongoose and meerkat habitats in my local zoo

192 square meters is quite a bit

[limber needle]

not enough for a pinniped id say

marine mammals cover a lot more range than terrestrial mustelids id imagine

[ancient ibex]

If the pinniped is mink sized, or otter sized...

[limber needle]

different dimentions tho, id call praepusa taco-leally sized

its quite a round beast after all

dont forget mammals are denser than dinos

its kinda hard to find reliable material on praepusa now that i think about it

[alpine thicket]

I'm not sure how that changes overall scale of the animal though

[limber needle]

if we're going of baikal seal behaviour, Praepusa will want to dive lower than the viv allows

[limber needle]

ill try and build what id consider a suitable habitat for a large praepusa after

[plush nacelle]

I will never understand such arguments

In PK size is what matters, so small animals go either in vivarium or are not coming at all

[alpine thicket]

This is also a really small animal and the big viv is really big

[plush nacelle]

Depends on species

But there is no fun from large one

Apparently biggest vivarium is big enough to hold to sea lions

[lean hound]

No way

Which species?

[rugged sparrow]

I have a hard time believing that

[plush nacelle]

California

[rugged sparrow]

Sea lions are pretty big

Relatively speaking

[plush nacelle]

I suppose people dont realise how small are living animals in relation to how big vivarium is

[rugged sparrow]

Forgot about that

[plush nacelle]

In theory it can hold single camel

Or zebra

[lean hound]

ehh

[lean hound]

Do you mean ethically?

[plush nacelle]

Kinda?

[ancient ibex]

Yes

Please go to zoos

[plush nacelle]

All I will say people used to say how ridiculous old wolly mammoth space requirement were, but ...

These were not even big enough according to modern husbandry

[ancient ibex]

Elephants are a handful in captivity that's for sure

But ethology and animal husbandry are only touched with orcas due to films from the 90s and an interested party doc from the 00s

[limber needle]

what size estimate is that?

[charred cobalt]

allosaurus anax / saurophaganax
the king of lizard eaters

(unique interaction with apatosaurus & brontosaurus, requires 2 saurophaganax)
(one rushes in and bites the back leg, while another runs in to bite the neck, a random chance on who wins, if the sauropod wins, it'll shake them both off, if the saurophaganax wins, the sauropod will try to struggle whilst being dragged back, till collapsing to the ground)

[lean hound]

You're not gonna believe this

[fresh ember]

It's unlikely combat's gonna be that cinematic.

[limber needle]

it would be cool if they added special ineractions for certain species sich as allo v apato, rex v trike, velo v proto ect

but unlikely

[peak hazel]

this is a mistranslation it'd be Lord of the lizard eaters

that'd be Saurophagrex

its coming to the game in u17 but we don't know what name it'd be tied to
doesn't really matter

[low bridge]

Allosaurus Anax Dude, Trust me

[peak hazel]

Allosaurus anax

[autumn plank]

Cuvieronius would be an awesome addition someday, living alongside mammoths, mastodons & other extinct elephants to the collection, they might like someday

[rugged sparrow]

I would personally enjoy seeing Deinotherium in particular. Paleoloxodon, gompotherium, and the American mastodon would also be cool

[feral cedar]

For elephants and "elephants" there's so many to choose from

With that said, I think an "optimized" roster includes the Columbian mammoth, a mastodon, Deinotherium, a small primitive proboscidean like Moeritherium, and Palaeoloxodon with big and small species

[unreal fulcrum]

I was looking at an old comment and it gave me an idea for an ice-themed DLC, Including that penguin, and it could also be the most famous ice dinosaur, Yutyranus.

But what interests me is that frozen lake water could be added, and that it has different brushes in case I want more cracks or different textures.

[plucky mantle]

Yutyrannus's environment is not as cold as people make it out to be (though it was pretty chilly)

Psittacosaurus sp. ingame was contemporous with it for an idea of the biomes it'd likely have ingame.

[silver steeple]

Bout as cold as like Boston

Or the actual modern day area iirc

[ebon venture]

In light of the recent revision of Choerolophodontidae, I think adding them to the suggestion topic would be neat.

[slim flare]

What changed?

[slim flare]

“Ice dinosaur” is fucking crazy

What being coated in feathers does to public perception

[slow shoal]

yutyrannus lived in a colder environment but it wasnt like, polar or anything

[alpine thicket]

Ice dinosaur is not because of its environment but because of its well-documented ice powers

[unreal fulcrum]

The Yutiranus when they add the fighting update

[ebon venture]

More evidence for possible keratinous blades in the lower jaw, almost like a beak. Also two new genera had been proposed

[slender tangle]

We've got beaked mammals before GTA6

[slim flare]

Platypus…?

[slender tangle]

That's a fleshy muzzle for electroreception, it doesn't count

[silver steeple]

In this specific paper technically just phylogeny, but overall this is the first that most people are hearing about the proposed keratinous extensions on the lower jaw

[silver steeple]

Beaked *placental mammals

[slow shoal]

of course

it had to be afrotherians

of all placental mammals to evolve beaks its them lmao

[slim flare]

Beaked whales…

[charred cobalt]

my favorite yang

[feral cedar]

The color looks awesome but that is 100% oversized

[coarse inlet]

The measurements seem right though

Miocene savanna DLC would go hard

[pliant hinge]

Austroraptor would be nice

[eager thunder]

Having more dromeos would be great

[river perch]

my 2nd most wanted

[cosmic cosmos]

it was on the list of post EA ideas

[low bridge]

Utahraptor, Deinonychus

Too

[reef relic]

We currently don't have a nodosaur, therizinosaur or an abelisaur. Any representation from those groups would be great

[short rover]

Edmontonia and carnotaurus are likely to come in U19

[ancient ibex]

We do have 3 non-pennaraptoran maniraptoriforms as well

[desert flame]

My beloved Platybelodon.

[ancient ibex]

Archaeornithomimus carries JWE bad rep, but it may be a more interesting animal, with quite distinct proportions from Gallimimus, and it being part of the same general biota as stuff like Gigantoraptor, Segnosaurus or Alectrosaurus is neat.

[true pivot]

I want some weird proboscideans so bad, y’all

[low bridge]

Take Stegotetrabelodon

[charred cobalt]

deinosuchus hatcheri, big alligator

[short rover]

It’s probably coming next update

[true pivot]

I beg

[low bridge]

Deinotherium is HELLA Needed

[true pivot]

Stegotetrabelodon, Deinotherium, and Platybelodon are my top 3. American mastodon just misses out

[low bridge]

Arsinoitherium also Neat Creature

From Miocene

[true pivot]

I always forget that they're elephant relatives

[flint sable]

nextnext

[fervent basalt]

platybelodon, deinotherium, and palaeoloxodon divided into three species: falconeri, antiquus and namadicus

[low bridge]

What about African Species of Palaeoloxodon: Palaeoloxodon Recki??

[fervent basalt]

I'll suggest some other species as well

But the problem is that there are MANY species of palaeloxodon lol

[low bridge]

Phiomia or Moeritherium

[fervent basalt]

palaeoloxodon recki, phiomia, mammuthus columbi and mammuthus trogotherii

[low bridge]

NEAT

Elephants are gentle giants

[rigid spindle]

Isn't there a recorded instance of an elephant eating somebody?

[hard elbow]

Late but something I'd like to add here- genuinely why would we want aquatics to be free roam anyway? Oh great I just stuck a mosasaur in a lake. Now it can proceed to not interact with terrestrial animals in a meaningful way, and there's not a good way for guests to view it, either!

I maintain that adding tanks in some form would be infinitely preferable to aquatics going in painted water

Both because 1, that's infinitely more plausible from a tech perspective, and 2, the points mentioned previously

Now, in an ideal world, we still get full AI for animals living in tanks, but I am also not opposed to them being functionally identical to the vivariums. Because like let's be real, what is a pelagic animal going to do that vivariums can't do

Like, you wouldn't be able to customize the shape of the vivarium space, but it's not impossible that would end up being the case anyway- fully customizable aquarium shapes is pretty optimistic all things considered

[slow shoal]

i once again bring up my method of modular tanks / aviaries

peices that can snap together than expand the size of the enclosure

idk the technicality behind that tbf but i would beleive it would be easier than free roam

another thing I think could be cool is rounded terrariums / tanks / aviaries so we dont have to have sharp corners

[vivid musk]

Please add in the Dimetrodon, Edaphosaurus, Giganotosaurus, Machairodus and the Amphimachairodus Giganteus into the Game. They will look amazing in it.

[slow shoal]

why machairodus instead of something like Homotherium

[flint sable]

I had an idea for aquariums specifically

wanna hear it?

this would be an easier scenario so to speak

essentially, you could make a custom shaped lagoon using a barrier, and it would automatically fill that with water

think like, ZT2 tank system but more advanced

[slow shoal]

ye could hypothetically work too

[flint sable]

no but thats not all

this would be essentially the simplest version id be happy with

[flint sable]

essentially how this would work is then inside of this custom enclosure, you would place "points" which would function very similarly to a vivarium

animals would then do a default animation to go between them in a straight line, but avoid obstacles

[flint sable]

IE if theres obstacles in teh way they avoid it

the best way I could describe it would be the animal AI system for that weird Xbox Zoo Tycoon, but with dynamic enclosure shapes and points

[hard elbow]

I feel like that's fairly reasonable

"vivarium system, but expanded with customizable paths" makes sense conceptually

[flint sable]

essentially, yeah

thats a better way to explain it

vivarium system but they are interconnected and with a dynamic "outer shape" so to speak

heres an example of how you could do it

so red would be enclosure border, yellow would be available paths, and black would be a modular island or something built inside it, and then the blue would be the "bounding box" of the vivarium analogue

ideally these bounding boxes would have somewhat dynamic shapes, such as circles or even a few pre selected irregular shapes in addition to the standard rectangle/square, and also be signifigantly larger than current vivarium modules (duh)

thoughts?

[cursive mango]

My dream would be to have crocodylomorphes of small sizes, but with different morphologies and diets, which come from the Cenozoic period. As:

• Boverisuchus (formerly Pristichampsus)
• Asiatosuchus germanicus
  Or mammals like:
• Moeritherium
• Arsinoitherium
  For the up 17 even though I know that won’t happen

[coarse inlet]

I would be pretty disappointed if I couldn't make customed and varied habitats for marine animals

add underwater viewing systems and there's no dissonance between tanks and enclosures in terms of viewing and enclosure design

which obviously would be very resource intensive but it's way better than limiting marine species

vivariums work in part because they're small parts of the the park, having a giant one would feel way more obtrusive

[cursive mango]

Or for a good overview of what a semi-aquatic marine-type animal... Hesperornis or a related species

[rugged sparrow]

Thank you! Finally some love for Hesperornis

Would be awesome to do a penguin style enclosure

[plush nacelle]

There is one major reason

Maybe not meaningful from gameplay standpoint, but people really want aquatic animals being able to attack terrestrial species while swimming

[toxic oriole]

prehistoric wildlife spotted

[peak hazel]

Not sure if I agree there

[mint creek]

jarvis, bring up musth

[alpine thicket]

Elephants can be gentle giants.

They can also not be.

[cosmic cosmos]

also so you can cohab, have multiple skins, breeding, ontogeny and combat

which are all things vivs cant/dont do

[coarse inlet]

Would Macranhinga work in a semiaquatic vivarium?

[coarse inlet]

Yeah cohabitation is a huge one

It’d be a real bummer not to be able to have mixed aquatic exhibits

[coarse inlet]

Might be a bit big huh?

[plush nacelle]

You can have all of this in any vivarium or tank setting

Aside combat, which I already pointed out

[cosmic cosmos]

then why arent any of them a current/planned feature in vivs already?

[plush nacelle]

Because we are looking at budget issues?

[cosmic cosmos]

what about cohabbing is a budget issue

[plush nacelle]

Same reason as with PZ. You would need to make sure every species in box have correct diet, biome setting and other animal related stuff devs plan and is currently not in game at the same time. Seems stupid at first glance, but it would require more work compared to simple one species per box approach

[cosmic cosmos]

only allow animals that would work together then, why cant my sahona and diplo live together

or diic and simo

or yi and arche

there isnt a real reasona s to why

[lean hound]

Its not just what saguaro said

Theres a lot of animation stuff

they'd have to redo all the loop thingies so they wouldn't go through each other

[cosmic cosmos]

im pretty sure everything already uses the same loops

[alpine thicket]

Personally when I say "free roam" aquatics I mean within tanks, I don't want them in painted water.

[mint creek]

Free roam in tanks with some kind of null barrier to give the illusion of living with exhibit species is sort of what I've always imagined it'd look like

[alpine thicket]

Yep same here.

[plush nacelle]

It honestly depends on how keepers would interact with tanks

[vivid musk]

I would love also for the Thylacosmilus atrox and the Thylacoleo Carnifex to be added in eventually as well. 😇🤞

[plush nacelle]

Pleistocene Australia is good place to start post game content, not gonna lie

Australia & Oceania has least animals bary SA, which gonna have huge boost in U19

Thylacoleo is very needed small mammal carnivore

Megalania is another rather small cenozoic animal, diprotodon and any big kangaroo will bring diversity both to cenozoic biome and clade roster

[hollow flower]

Id love to see Dromornis stirtoni myself

[vivid musk]

Absolutely Saguaro and Maunomnly as i would love for them to be added in eventually as well and it give U19 a huge boost indeed.

[cosmic cosmos]

dromornis and genyornis

[cursive mango]

Dlc on the Eocene of Europe

• Eleutherornis cotei
• Oxyaena lupina
• Kerberos langebadreae
• Palaeotherium magnum

[silver steeple]

Chalicotherium is not from the Eocene

It's from the Miocene, 10s of millions of years later

[peak hazel]

its a good addition but not in that context

[cursive mango]

Sorry 😅

[peak hazel]

I would also go Gastornis for name recognition

[cosmic cosmos]

boverisuchus and gastornis are an awesome duo from eocene europe

[cursive mango]

Aaaaah very sorry 😭

[cosmic cosmos]

no need to apologise

[peak hazel]

you haven't anything wrong vro

thats just what I'd do differently

[plush nacelle]

Messel pit

[cursive mango]

Actually, it’s just that the development team is doing a crazy job and I would like them to bring back lots of species we’re not used to seeing... And the Cenozoic era is very rarely represented in games, and it’s true, I don’t really know much about it during this period, but little by little, I find this period super interesting, but there are so many beautiful species that we’ll never be able to have everything.

[cursive mango]

Honestly, if in update 18 we had the ambulocetus, that would be great 🥰

[cursive mango]

thanks for the info ☺️

[cursive mango]

Thanks info 😉

[pliant hinge]

Thalassocnus would be a delight

[ancient ibex]

The slotter

[flint sable]

dont call it that

i dont like that at all

[feral cedar]

What’s the matter? You’ve barely visited the slotter exhibit

[brave pier]

“What was the coolest animal you saw today?”

[fresh ember]

Ygor saves himself for the slotters on the strip!

[brave pier]

“Oh I loved seeing the slotters”

[slender tangle]

Slaughter for the slotters

[pliant hinge]

slotter

after thalassocnus than they can add desmostylus

and then rodhocetus

so much aquatic mammals.....

[left spear]

Slotter sounds like a socioeconomic slur

[coarse inlet]

Habitat Species

• Synthetoceras tricornatus
• Epicyon haydeni
• Platybelodon danovi
• Diceratherium armatum
• Aepycamelus giraffinus
• Moropus elatus
• Dinocrocuta gigantea
• Astrapotherium magnum
• Hipparion forcei
• Bathornis grallator

Vivarium Species

• Ceratogaulus hatcheri
• Homunculus patagonicus
• Lazarussuchus inexpectus
• Interatherium robustum
• Promerycochoerus carrikeri

[true pivot]

Since Titanaboa has its animations for the semiaquatic vivarium now, would Madtsoia make sense as a terrestrial Big Snake?

Okay to be honest I just really want the Maevarano Formation to be filled out.

Exhibit species
-Majungasaurus crenatissimus
-Rapetosaurus krausei
-Masiakasaurus knopfleri
-Mahajangasuchus insignis

Vivarium species
-Madtsoia madagascariensis
-Vintana sertichi
-Falcatakely forsterae
-Beelzebufo ampinga

[slim flare]

If flyers came, is Nyctosaurus too small?

[true pivot]

I think the problem with Nyctosaurs is lifestyle

Assuming it was adapted to soaring over long distances like an albatross, it wouldn't do well in capitvity (ethically speaking). But I suppose few pterosaurs would

As far as size its two-meter wing span would be comparable to Psittacosaurus

[slim flare]

Well that’s length

In mass, it’s far less

[true pivot]

Sure. I was thinking in terms of a clickable hitbox in the game

[slim flare]

Even then

On the ground, their wings fold up

It is estimated that N. gracillis had about 37.6 centimeters (1.23 ft) body length, 2.72 meters (8.9 ft) wingspan and 1.86 kilograms (4.1 lb) weight.

Fucking 4 lbs?

Albatross, while a bit longer wingspan, are over 10 lbs minimum. Are they just built that different?

[ancient ibex]

Pterosaurs don't have 2 major muscle groups, just one

[silver steeple]

If we substitute length for wingspan, no

[ancient ibex]

No leg, just breast

That said, pterosaur weight estimates have a tradition of being a bit on the light side

[silver steeple]

Yeah kinda

The giraffe sized azhdarchids are like 1/3-1/4 the weight of modern giraffes

[slim flare]

While a bit smaller than they apparently got, this does seem kinda small

[slim flare]

Giraffes don’t fly

[silver steeple]

Correct

[slim flare]

I was comparing it to a flying species

With proportionally long wings

[true pivot]

I don't think weight is a question of whether an animal would be included in the game

[silver steeple]

Well there's no flying species to compare anything larger to

[fresh ember]

I can see Nyctosaurus being the smallest free-flyer, tbh.

[slim flare]

Nyctosaurus definitely couldn’t be a vivarium

[silver steeple]

Birds are generally fairly heavy because they require more muscle to fly

[slim flare]

Unless they add some jumbo aviary like JWE

[true pivot]

Sure. Even the heaviest ~~living ~~ flying birds today top out around 40 pounds

[slim flare]

Wait until you hear about the ostrich…

[true pivot]

Either Nyctosaurus or Rhamphorhynchus would be the smallest "free flier" viable ingame, yeah

[silver steeple]

I'd be surprised if dimorph/rhamph weren't free flyers

[slim flare]

Rhamphorhynchus afaik is significantly larger than Nyctosaurus

[slim flare]

Why tf did you put those two together?

[silver steeple]

At the absolute maximum, maybe

Because they're on average around the same size

Avg rhamph is about 2m wingspan

They can get larger but it's like saying 12-13m rex is avg

[fresh ember]

Dimorphodon wasn't exactly a strong flyer. The wings suggest they were doing short bursts between trees.

[silver steeple]

Ok

Just make them fly less on average

[slim flare]

Isn’t Dimorphodon like 1.5 m and a shit flier?

[true pivot]

The "reluctant flier" hypothesis for Dimorphodon has me thinking it could be a good vivarium candidate

[slim flare]

Dimorphodon definitely feels like a vivarium species

I say as a vivarium pessimist

[silver steeple]

I guess it is closer to 1.5, I had remembered it being closer to 2

2m ain't exactly a hard cutoff regardless tho

The smaller taco sp are barely 1.6 so I still think Dimorph would be fine

[true pivot]

I'm imagining a howler monkey-style enclosure for Dimorphodon in an arboreal vivarium. Could be pretty sweet

[coarse inlet]

Dimorphodon was also a very good climber which would make it much better for arboreal vivariums

[feral cedar]

Wingspan of 2.7 meters? I thought Nyctosaurus had a 2 meter wingspan at the most

[silver steeple]

Nah they get larger

Avg is about 2 tho

[low bridge]

I think that some camel would be Lovely but most Nice People here don't like Camels

Something like Titanotylopus

[slim flare]

Camelops or bust

[wary nacelle]

Liaoningosaurus and I don’t even gaf that if it’s not semi-aquatic or not I just really wanna recreate this artwork in game

[median glen]

Is that a mammal

[flint sable]

ankylosaur

[low bridge]

Just a hedgehog

[true pivot]

So much potential in the Yixian Formation. Would love that little guy, and Sinosauropteryx feels like a shoo-in given how well understood it is

I would love Liaoconodon (Cretaceous China had tiny otter mimics??) but have to think it's pushing the envelope for being too small

[cursive mango]

Caudipteryx and Incisivosaurus 😍

[sullen moon]

Longisquama

[ocean heron]

Alioramus (both species) and many species of dwarf palaeoloxodon, would be cool to see ingame

[eager thunder]

I have taken a liking to numidotherium

[left spear]

Niche (Game) animal

[slender tangle]

It's got feet like a permian synapsid

But it's a placental mammal

[median glen]

Weird guy

[young hearth]

he's horrible. i love him

i have a long wishlist but i think i have most of what i want there. gonna post it and you guys can make fun of me for it if you want

Added to existing formations:

• Arroyo (Permian): Dimetrodon, Edaphosaurus, Eryops, Tetraceratops
• Abrahamskraal (Permian): Anteosaurus, Moschops, Jonkler--i mean Jonkeria
• Chinle (Triassic): Placerias, Postosuchus, Desmatosuchus, Smilochus
• Ahltmuhltal (Jurassic): Anurognathus (V)
• Morrison (Jurassic): Ceratosaurus
• Elrhaz (Cretaceous): Nigersaurus, Suchomimus, Sarcosuchus
• Yixian (Cretaceous): Repenomamus, Yutyrannus
• Cloverly (Cretaceous): Sauropelta, Tenontosaurus
• Kaiparowits (Cretaceous): Deinosuchus
• Djadochta (Cretaceous): Halszkaraptor (V)
• Nemegt (Cretaceous): Prenocephale, Therizinosaurus
• Maevarano (Cretaceous): Majungasaurus, Beelzebufo (V), Masiakasaurus
• Hell Creek (Cretaceous): Thescelosaurus, Nanotyrannus
• Hsanda Gol (Oligocene): Hyaenodon sp.
• Collon Cura (Miocene): Kelenken, Astrapotherium
• La Brea (Pleistocene): Arctodus
• Lujan (Pleistocene): Macrauchenia, Toxodon, Megatherium, Doedicurus

New formations:

• Burgess Shale (Cambrian): Anomalocaris (V)
• Commentry Shales (Carboniferous): Meganeura (V)
• Mazon Creek (Carboniferous): Tullimonstrum (V), Arthropleura (V)
• East Kirkton (Carboniferous): Pulmonoscorpius (V)
• Hennessey (Permian): Cotylorhynchus
• Belebei (Permian): Estemmenosuchus
• Usili (Permian): Inostrancevia, Pareiasaurus, Lyceanops
• Burgersdorp (Triassic): Erythrosuchus, Cynognathus (V), Euparkeria (V)
• Denwa (Triassic): Shringasaurus
• Shaximiao (Jurassic): Mamenchisaurus, Yangchuanosaurus, Gigantspinosaurus
• La Amarga (Cretaceous): Amargasaurus
• Cedar Mountain (Cretaceous): Utahraptor
• Iren Dabasu (Cretaceous): Gigantoraptor
• La Colonia (Cretaceous): Carnotaurus
• Messel Pit (Eocene): Gastornis, Leptictidium (V), Propaleotherium
• Bridger (Eocene): Uintatherium
• Kuldana (Eocene): Ambulocetus
• White River (Eocene-Miocene): Daeodon, Megacerops, Hyaenodon
• Sarmiento (Eocene-Miocene): Sebecus, Astrapotherium, Pyrotherium
• Alachua (Miocene): Synthetoceras, Aepycamelus, Amphicyon
• Bullock Creek (Miocene): Meiolania
• Tongguer (Miocene): Platybelodon, Chalicotherium, Amphicyon
• Hadar (Pliocene): Enhydriodon, Deinotherium, Sivatherium
• Nihewan (Pliocene-Pleistocene) Postschizotherium
• Wellington Caves? (Pleistocene): Thylacoleo, Diprotodon, "Megalania," Quinkana, Procoptodon, Murrayglossus (V), Genyornis
• Ampasambazimba (Pleistocene): Archaeoindris
• Longgu Cave (Pleistocene): Gigantopithecus

the last 2 are tentative cuz the devs have pushed back against primates in the past, i only listed them cuz they are mostly terrestrial but i will yield. though if we don't get archaeoindris i would like megaladapis as a vivarium animal

[slim flare]

La Brea only having Arctodus is crazy tho

[young hearth]

i tried to be somewhat conservative with my demands suggestions and a lot of la brea is relatively close to modern animals. i don't beef with columbian mammoths or aenocyon, i just don't think i actively want them to the degree i want what i listed here

[slim flare]

I guess…

Also Postosuchus isn’t from Chinle

[young hearth]

hm? wikipedia says it is, but it's also wikipedia so. could be bs

[slim flare]

Yeah

The Postosuchus page proper makes it clear

[young hearth]

unfortunate. now i have to put the right formation in for it, and i think cooper canyon could be a one-genus-wonder unless i let it also yield desmato?

[vivid musk]

Your wishlists of the
most famous prehistoric animals sorted into different rock formations are phenomenal and if I remember correctly: the Dimetrodon is confirmed to be coming post EA.

[cosmic cosmos]

murrayglossus is big enough to be exhibit, i'd also get rid of qunikana since its a nothingburger and add tiliqua frangens as viv instead

if you really need an indo-australian mekosuchine, just pick mekosuchus itself, it has a several species from aus, new caledonia and also vanuatu which could be quite neat as alts

it would also be the smallest non-viv croc in the game which would be cool

[vital grove]

not extinct but shinglebacks look like how its usually depicted

[cosmic cosmos]

yes, same genus. i love these guys, they mate for life

awesome species to find herping here

[peak hazel]

a shingleback skink would be an awesome pet but I can't legally get one in the uk so I wouldn't

[vital grove]

i can but they rare af and thousands

[cosmic cosmos]

thats really sad, but at least theres a bunch of other cool stuff you guys can get, we only have natives to work with here

[cosmic cosmos]

its always funny seeing prices people pay overseas for our species when they are dead cheap here lol

[peak hazel]

yeah its not an issue really

[vital grove]

australian export laws are basically: NO

[peak hazel]

when I eventually have the space and money to keep reptiles theres nothing wrong with a different species like a northern or meruke

[vital grove]

my dog is a gila monster but i cant get a shingleback lol

[peak hazel]

oh I'd like a gila monster

pretty sure I need a license though which is fine

[cosmic cosmos]

one i would love to work with is solomon island skinks

if they werent illegal

[vital grove]

funnily enough here you can not keep native species

meanwhile australia

[cosmic cosmos]

thats weird, why not?

[vital grove]

you have to prove its captive bred but no one breeds them