Community Species Suggestions

[flint sable]

if it does get added it has nothing to do with the new water flavours

[cursive mango]

As a new tyrannosaurid, I would like to see Alioramus or daspletosaurus

[burnt gate]

good picks

[cursive mango]

Dommage

[cursive mango]

Have you seen any other species? 😊

[rigid spindle]

Nanotyrannus and alioramus/quianzhousaurus with alectrosaurus alt

[cursive mango]

Ooooh yes 😄

[rigid spindle]

I say alectrosaurus because I have the BOTM alectro and it's one of my favorites

Even if it's a femur and a few leg bits

[cursive mango]

I would really like to see abélisauridae

[burnt gate]

?

[burnt gate]

lwk medium sized carnivore dinosaurs are needed'

because rn we only got trex and velicoraptor size differences

[flint sable]

dilo is there but thats pmuch it

[burnt gate]

ya

[burnt gate]

like what

[rigid spindle]

Would bary and allo be considered mid-size?

[trail moth]

alberto with a gorgo alt

[cursive mango]

Carnotosaurus, Coletodraco, rugops, abelisaurus, Majungasaurus, Mapusaurus, Scorpiovenator

[rigid spindle]

Carno is soft confirmed I believe

And majunga would be nice to see later down the line

[cursive mango]

Oki is cool 😊

And do you have any mammals that you would like to prioritize? ^^

[rigid spindle]

Chalicotherium, moeritherium, and andrewsarchus

[cursive mango]

Nice, I was thinking of the same species ^^

[ancient ibex]

Alectrosaurus if anything works better as an alt of Nanotyrannus than of a tyrannosaurid

[trail moth]

wait what's mapu doing here

isnt that a carch

[eager thunder]

Which Ornithomimid from Hell Creek would be the better addition

[shy vale]

ornithomimus?

[feral cedar]

Technically there’s no proper ornithomimid from Hell Creek

Ornithomimus’ holotype is from the Denver Formation, same time as the Hell Creek gang so it works

[toxic oriole]

Ornithomimus... Struthiomimus...

[eager thunder]

I thought the formations where a time period type thing

[cursive mango]

Or concavenator and pelecanimimus 😊

[short rover]

There can be multiple formations at the same time, just different places

[slow shoal]

nah formations are like a specific layer or groups of layers of rock occuring in a specific place

[low bridge]

We need pork in Prehistoric Kingdom so Kubanochoerus would Fit

[lean hound]

Unicorn pig

[left spear]

Do not put them near the phorusracid enclousure

[low bridge]

Prehistoric Kingdom stands for Peak but U17 will stand for Allo, Pachy, Stego

[sharp sable]

Archaeotherium?

[abstract sierra]

Achelou or einiosaurus would be so peak

[mild rose]

In terms of mammals we have soooooo many cats rn but i really think a canine is needed. Personally, i really would love to see aenocyon dirus (i really want to make an accurate restoration of the la brea formation lol), but alternatively borophagus or epicyon (the bone crushing dogs from miocene/pleistocene north america) or even amphicyon (not actually a canine but a very cool dog like animal regardless) would be wonderful to see as well

[charred cobalt]

Tyrannotitan, the tyrant titan

[peak hazel]

theres better Carcharodontosaurs

even if the name has insane aura

[cosmic cosmos]

conc and giga

tyrannotitan and mapu make great alts for giga tho

[eager thunder]

Do we really need any more large theropods outside Carnotaurus and maybe a yutyrannus ?

I feel like the large theropod quota would be filled

[cosmic cosmos]

giga is good dlc bait, i dont think its needed for base game

[eager thunder]

Definitely not

[cosmic cosmos]

theri and gigantoraptor

megaraptor also

[eager thunder]

Sure I guess
But still there are animals I’d like before them

Maybe Theri is bit higher up than others but still

[cosmic cosmos]

of course, i was just listing other big theropods that i would say are worth being in the game, since that was the question posed

stuff like dime, kentro, amarga, varanus and kelenken are way higher for me

[eager thunder]

I mean technically kelenken is also a theropod

But also Permian pals of course

https://tenor.com/view/cotylorhynchus-my-beloved-beloved-dinosaur-reptile-gif-22077496

[cosmic cosmos]

not a big one tho

[eager thunder]

https://preview.redd.it/kelenken-one-of-the-larger-phorusrhacids-with-their-closest-v0-e3pxr1cmvt4e1.jpeg?auto=webp&s=aec15d1a1039f46c32c43e5ba1d237af3f95d2bf I mean if anything it’s bigger than ceratosaurus and almost as tall as allosaurus fragilis

[cosmic cosmos]

its like 100kg

small

[eager thunder]

Ok height then

I guess

Nvm

[lean hound]

You wouldn't call dilo a large theropod would you?

[eager thunder]

Frankly speaking if it’s taller than me I think of it as big

I know thats technically wrong but it’s how my brain works

[lean hound]

Fair

Dilo would seem like a large theropod if you were standing right next to it, but it wouldn't if it were standing next to T.rex

[eager thunder]

Dilo would be like, the tallest land predator today

[lean hound]

Depends if you count some animals standing on their hind legs

[eager thunder]

I mean the dilo is already on his hinds

[cosmic cosmos]

stuff like polar bears and grizzlies are taller when reared up, is what they are referring to

[eager thunder]

No I got that but that takes extra effort for the bears and all

[low bridge]

Yeah of course

[low bridge]

Diabloceratops, Chasmosaurus, Centrosaurus??

[abstract sierra]

Ooo

I never thought of those

[cosmic cosmos]

chasmo and penta are my top ceratopsids

[plush nacelle]

At 300kg in weight it is about 3x smaller than cerato and 8x than allo

[eager thunder]

Ornimegalonyx

Big ass owl thing

[cursive mango]

The masiakasaurus that I would really like to see one day in a game as well, and he could be so cool in pk

Otherwise spinostropheus or alternative species

[cursive mango]

Last species before sleeping, I suggest the presbyornis, which can accompany species from the Eocene or simply in a marsh enclosure or a pink flamingo water point, which could be a nice addition I find. When do you think?

[calm sedge]

I know people keep leaving species suggestions- but would pk be moddable to make species people wanted? Or is the set up for that too complex for people to modd in their own species off the existing animals? Maybe wrong place to ask, but..

I know they do that for many other zoo games.

[rigid spindle]

Currently there's no mod support, but the plan is to make modding possible after the game exits the EA phase

Only issue is modding PK would probably require much more work than other zoo games like PZ or the JWE series

[tidal flame]

Behold, the humble Conflicto

[amber field]

https://youtu.be/uUuj7X6GeME?si=S1YbLX12C9AQq5A4

This one can fit very nicely with the game

[mint creek]

hell yeah

[plush nacelle]

Ngl going by title I expected it to be very large, but it refers to more famous shor-beaked echidna as comparison point

Animal itself on pair or little smaller than western long-beaked echdina

[amber field]

I requested this a while ago , it would be great

At to see in the game

[desert flame]

If we're talking about canids, I'd also like to have Hesperocyon, an early canid species.

[mild rose]

that guy would be great too!

[desert flame]

However, they might become vivarium animals.
Amphicyon and dire wolves are popular, so they will likely be added first.

[amber field]

There feet reminds me of suropods and tortoises

[charred cobalt]

quetzalcoatlus, would do great once they introduce encosures with roofs

[short rover]

Enclosures with roofs is one of the most interesting ways I’ve seen anyone suggest aviaries

[eager thunder]

I mean isn’t that just what an aviary is

[mild rose]

Speaking of pterosaurs, the netflix documentary has me very endeared to caelestiventus. They would fit well alongside coelophysis and plateosaurus

[ancient ibex]

Dimorphodon is right there

[peak hazel]

Yeah I think there's stuff with more name power that does the same thing

[mild rose]

of course, dimorphodon is more likely if they ever inplement pterosaurs, but its probably been suggested by loads of ppl already, and i just like this little guy as well

[cosmic cosmos]

It's the closest relative of dimorph, and couldn't even work as ant alt since dimorph will probably be a viv animal

[desert flame]

The six below may be added to the vivarium system.

[proper raven]

Ammonites vary in size to lump them into the vivarium

[feral cedar]

^

There are some ammonites who would fit perfectly into vivariums and some which would... not

[desert flame]

Indeed, a larger size might not be suitable.
Therefore, we should add a smaller species.

[eager thunder]

I didn’t know they could get that big

[amber field]

We need fully aquatic vivarium

At least to add some small aquatic species

[sharp sable]

Baculites

[low bridge]

Seafood Kingdom

[alpine thicket]

Full sized aquarium Parapuzosia would be pretty cool really.

[wary nacelle]

Anthracosaurus but not this representation because it sucks but it’s still a cool animal and uhh this is really the only media of it

[heavy scarab]

Platyhystrix would be nice

[slender tangle]

Platy would definitely work as a terrestrial vivarium taxa

[left spear]

It was a flying animal you silly

As such it should go in the amphibious terrarium

[cosmic cosmos]

??

[left spear]

I see you're not up to date with recent discoveries

[shy jacinth]

finally, we could have pterosaurs on our parks

[vivid field]

leedsichthys is NOT fitting in a vivariums

[proper raven]

Bend it and maybe it will

[alpine thicket]

not whole

[shy vale]

you know what i'm wondering?
if hyaenodon is going to be there in the future, which species are there?

because there's like a crapton of them for some reason

[eager thunder]

Probably whatever is like, generic Hyaenodon and whatever ones the biggest

[flint sable]

I would say that the most likely is either gigas, horridus, or both

[eager thunder]

Isn’t there already a triceratops named Horridus?

[flint sable]

horridus is essentially what you think of when you hear hyaenadon, and gigas is the largest

[eager thunder]

Or can they just share last names

[flint sable]

yeah....?

they can share last names...?

theres like probably 30 extinct animals with the scientific name antiquus

as their species name

[eager thunder]

I wasn’t aware

I’m pretty ignorant

[flint sable]

also fun taxonomic fact: plants and animals can share binomial genus names

if two taxa are in seperate kingdoms (IE plants vs animals) then the genus can be the same name

[alpine thicket]

off to name a plant tyrannosaurus rex

[eager thunder]

Yeah isn’t that the case with archaeopteryx and some tree?

[flint sable]

Aotus as an example is both a monkey and a plant

[flint sable]

no thats similar sounding

[eager thunder]

Tyrannosaurus rex the ground shrub

[flint sable]

your thinking of Archaeopteris

[eager thunder]

Whatever one Nigel Marvin made a joke about

[flint sable]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aotus_(plant)

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Night_monkey

[eager thunder]

Funky

[flint sable]

these are pretty rare, though, for obvious reasons

also

1 letter differences in names are allowed

so theres nothing stopping me from discovering an iguanid lizard with similar teeth to modern iguanas and naming it Iguanadon

instead of the dinosaur Iguanodon

same meaning, though

Kentrosaurus and Centrosaurus are also somewhat similar in this reguard although not quite, Centrosaurus means pointed lizard and Kentrosaurus means prickled lizard

but I think that they have the same root, just a different spelling

[eager thunder]

Isn’t that a beetle that has a similar name to Trex

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tyrannasorus_rex

Found it

[flint sable]

correct

that does exist

however the name does mean something

[eager thunder]

Reading the page yeah

[flint sable]

roughly translates to tyrant pile king

sorus and saurus just happen to be spelled similarly but mean different things

[eager thunder]

You know tho that that had to be simultaneously really funny for whoever did that

Like who doesn’t know what they’re doing when they name it that

[flint sable]

oh they did

most blatant example of this where they tried to make an excuse

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Crash_bandicoot_(species)

like cmon now

[eager thunder]

That’s the funniest shit

Crash Bandicoot for prehistoric kingdom let’s fucking go

[flint sable]

Crash bandicoot*

species names arent capitalized 🤓

even though they are proper nouns

[eager thunder]

We have the chance to do the funniest thing devs

[flint sable]

which is actually like

[frozen gyro]

If they do add pterosaurs, I would like them to be able to fly around freely, so that way my ecosystems (without a park) don't look stale.

[flint sable]

really weird, ive just thought about this

like

are they the only words (at least in english) that are proper nouns but are specifically lowercase no matter what

[eager thunder]

100000$ for every child picked up and never seen again

[flint sable]

like lets say hypothetically you had a species name as the first word in your sentence

what would you do?

capitalize it according to grammar or leave it lowercase because of scientific convention?

this is actually a really interesting question

I need awnsers

[eager thunder]

Whichever one makes the pedantic guy who grammar Nazis this the most mad

/j

[open heron]

I think the rule for keeping species lowercase has priority, but I'm not 100% sure.

[slender tangle]

https://tenor.com/view/crash-bandicoot-woah-whoa-crash-bandicoot-meme-crash-woah-gif-8312902019741468697

WOAH

[frozen gyro]

No the species (at least extinct ones) Their name is a name and iirc names have to be capitalized throughout a sentence. At least that what I learned in school, teaching grammar was formed differently in 2009.

[cosmic cosmos]

the name is literally the exact same, centro was just misspelled for some reason. Sticking to the root greek pronunciation has both pronounced the way kentrosaurus is pronounced

when kentro was first described there was controversy over the name being the same as centro, and some scientists even assigned new names for the genus, luckily, as long as the spelling is different, the name of any genus is valid

[limber needle]

I feel like if we have another hadrosaur, it should be gryposaurus

Don't forget triple T

[hard elbow]

Iirc they justified Lagiacrusicthys as a "mythical creature that also appears in the monster hunter series", and then there's the spider Rathalos treecko that was "a random string of letters"

[cosmic cosmos]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Spongiforma_squarepantsii

[desert flame]

Parorcestes is a megafauna I would like to own, just like Thylacoleo and Procoptodon.

[amber field]

This reminds me , we don't have a single marsupial at all

[burnt gate]

we need either applachiosaurus or Dryptosaurus for applachia representation.

[mild rose]

Yeeeessss pls love these guys

[polar tinsel]

I revisited my "Ice Age Pack" idea, to round up the number of animals to 10, to kick out animals that were already confirmed for other packs and to add some scenery and building pieces that DLCs will surely have.

Animals

From left to right:

Top row
-Homotheirum latidens (Alts: serum/hadarensis)
-Megalonyx jeffersoni
-Procoptodon goliah

Mid row
-Varanus priscus
-Palaeoloxodon falconeri (*Alts: antiquus/namadicus)
-Arctotherium agustidens (Alts: tarijense/wingei)

Bodies of larger Palaeoloxodons may be too different to be alts

Bottom row
-Toxodon platensis
-Mastodon americanum (Alt: Pacificus)
-Meiolania brevicollis (Alts: platyceps/mackayi)
-Macrauchenia patachonica

Decorations and building

-Faux ice texture for building pieces
-Decorative glacier pieces under "rocks"
-Faux tar pit attraction
-White steam VFX effect
-Geyser eruption VFX effect
-Stone statues
-Ice statues
-Expanded fossil pieces
(Ex: Doedicurus shell, Smilodon skull, Megaloceros antlers...)

Fossil sites

Expanded ingame sites:
-Lujan
-La Brea

New sites for multiple animals:
-Schöningen
-Old Crow Basin
-Miramar
-Naracoorte
-Page Ladson
-Mene de Inciarte
-Tarija Valley
-Badyarikha River*

Other animals are only found in region, not river necesserily

New sites for single animals:
-Hadar (with potential for expansion)
-Narmada Valley
-Spinagallo Cave
-Lord Howe Island*
-New Caledonia*
-Bullock Creek*

Last three would depend on how many Meiolania speices would be included

New maps

-Flat boreal steppe map in Siberia
-Mountainous boreal map in western Patagonia
-Island scrubland map in southern Italy

[sage gull]

[shy vale]

i would add a mixotoxodon alt for toxodon

[quick tartan]

H. gorgops, gotta fill out that perhistoirc savannah relatives roster.

And what's essentially a dire hippo would be awesome

[shy vale]

could there be hexaprotodon as an alt?

also i would want to add hesperotherium, because there's no chalicotheres and that was like the last one

[cursive mango]

I would like to see Macrauchenia and, in relative form, from the same family: Theosodon.

Or gobiatherium

[hollow flower]

What on earth is that

[cursive mango]

He is an Asian cousin of the Uintatherium, both coming from the Eocene era, if I’m not mistaken.

[plush nacelle]

Gobiatheriun

It was one of the last dinoceratans

[polar tinsel]

If their anatomies are similar, I'm all for it

[low bridge]

What about Hippo Antiqqus?

Europe Hippo

[low bridge]

Sivatherium too for Savanna and Agriotherium

[cursive mango]

In amphibious mammals, I will see Acrophoca (swan-neck seal); it’s a species I only saw once in a book and I find it unfortunate that it has an aspect that I really like.

[vital grove]

pontolis would be another cool pinniped

[eager thunder]

Giant pinnipeds would rock

[slender tangle]

Imagine a pontolis squaring up to a theropod and winning

[vital grove]

at 3 tonnes i can see a theropod underestimating it

hippopotomus gorgops would also be cool af to see battle a dinosaur

imagine the bite force of a 2m tall hippo

[vital grove]

hoffstetterius would be funny

[low bridge]

What is that

What is that

😳

[vital grove]

elasmotherium from temu

[eager thunder]

Would this be another rhino

[shy vale]

no it's a toxodontid that resembles a rhino

[loud needle]

God hope they eventually add these

[eager thunder]

Kewl, we have to many rhinos for the amount of mammals we have

[shy vale]

as i keep on mentioning, there should be chalicotheres

[vital grove]

yeah but id still love to see the other groups that convergently evolved with rhinos

[eager thunder]

Oh absolutely

I love me my funky mammals

[vital grove]

we need so many more mammals

[eager thunder]

Again, absolutely

[hollow flower]

What the actual hell

[eager thunder]

When we get Utah and Carno I would be absolutely thrilled if we got nothing but Cenozoic rep afterwards

[hollow flower]

Mammals continue to surprise me with their insane diversity

[eager thunder]

And the big croc

[hollow flower]

How do people find these species and why are they so unknown?

[vital grove]

also other archosauromorphs like erythrosuchus purrasaurus etc

[hollow flower]

I thought Permian critters were unique but frankly there seems to be a pandoras box full of weird cenozoic mammals that people just are not aware of

[vital grove]

its because there are multiple starting points after the dinosaurs died out

marsupials and placentals predate the end crutaceous extinction

and the continents were mostly divided by then

so essentially every continent had its own native lineages that died out or moved when certain interchanges happened

[vital grove]

go to wikipedia go to mammals and just keep clicking through clades

i sent it here before but rusingoryx would be so cool, it had a hadrosaur like head crest used for making noise.

[left spear]

It's also just incredibly good filler

95% park inclusion rate type animal

[vital grove]

perfect to cohabitate if we get more african mammals

also i just had a funny idea, when we do get fish with exception of tiktaalik could they get jeremy wade for those voice lines

[short rover]

Would be weird and inconsistent

[slender tangle]

Vuvuzela wildebeest

[eager thunder]

Getting crash bandicoot as a Vivarium animal would be the funniest thing to ever happen because it would require Nigel Marvin to say that

[slender tangle]

Yeeeeesssss

[low bridge]

Cursed Sinotherium

[low bridge]

Moropus

Chalicotherium, Anisodon, Ancylotherium

[vital grove]

Tylocephalonyx

[low bridge]

Dome headed Chalicothere

[shy vale]

if we get other agate springs animals, then yeah, moropus
i would prefer hesperotherium instead of chalicotherium though

[vital grove]

dome heads were suprisingly common

[low bridge]

Rusingoryx

[eager thunder]

https://encrypted-tbn0.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcSqVhfoK5nGHZ402VrLtRR02VJ7tZWEtj0K14Kw9yTNp4uZZCX_1cjnxkL9cyWzd5Q7Eqt8V8uZZjRepic7EnUNIxXT4zZgok6eWEBw3nxRJA&s=10 Prolibytherium

[vital grove]

theres also an animal where the one of 2 horns became a dome asymetrically on its head

[slender tangle]

Star Wars animal

[eager thunder]

True

[vital grove]

found it tsaidamotherium

[low bridge]

It lived with Sinotherium

Dude

So peak animal

[vital grove]

i didnt even realise

thats sick

[shy vale]

speaking of sinotherium, maybe we should add some other liushu formation taxa?

[vital grove]

it does have some cool stuff now that im looking at it

DINOCROCUTA

YES

id say ursavus,dinocrocuta, chilotherium and tsaidamotherium would be quite nice

[shy vale]

also there was ancylotherium and nestoritherium for chalicotheres

[vital grove]

although id see moropus being added first

[low bridge]

Agate Springs with Stenomylus, Synthetoceras, Moropus,Daeodon would be Nice

[left spear]

Someone discovered Forgotten Bloodlines

[low bridge]

Ages Ago

But Grassland Biome needs really Nice mammals

Deinotherium

Ofc

Ancylotherium( this chalicothere from wwb)

Sivatherium

[lean hound]

https://tenor.com/view/you-have-alerted-the-horse-alert-deinotherium-walking-with-beasts-walking-with-dinosaurs-gif-3023295637816768770

[low bridge]

Peakphant

[polar tinsel]

Hadar Formation is the answer:

-Sivatherium
-Deinotherium
-Enhydriodon
-Homoherium h.
-Palaeoloxodon r.
-Chasmaporthetes
-Dinofelis
-Theropithecus o.
all in one place

[burnt gate]

holy shit what is that

[vital grove]

tuskless walruss relative

[burnt gate]

oh

so a herbivore?

[vital grove]

walrusses eat clams so they are carnivores

[burnt gate]

oh

you learn something new every day

[vital grove]

or whatever you call eating clams

[burnt gate]

piscivore maybe?

but idk if clams are fish

[vital grove]

but i think pontolis had a more varied diet im not sure but it has teeth which walrusses dont

except for the tusks

[vital grove]

sorry they do have teeth but not like pontolis at all

[burnt gate]

did they eat fish?

[vital grove]

tbh it doesnt look like a piscivore nor does it look like the modern walrus i cant outright find the diet either

oh no

piscivore

although i wonder if it wouldve eaten other smaller pinnipeds...

[burnt gate]

true

dont piscivores have like conical teeth?

[vital grove]

conical hooked and whatever is going on with moray eels

oh and serrated ofc

but this looks like 4 big fangs with small cutting teeth behind it

[vital grove]

like great whites

but they eat anything big

[burnt gate]

i mean with the size difference

it probably did

maybe it was like a bear and ate anything it could fin

[vital grove]

it definitely didnt eat plants and with the amount of fat most pinnipeds have strong bone cutting teeth would not be nececarry either

[burnt gate]

true

[vital grove]

its not a wild idea looking at leopard seals but its teeth dont seem like it either

probably was a pinniped trashcan then

perhaps a mix of crustaceans and occasional meat and fish

[burnt gate]

ya

[trail moth]

speaking of prehistoric pinnipeds i'd also be down for praepusa

[alpine thicket]

Mini Praepusa would be great.

[burnt shore]

Puijila

[mint creek]

Aura farmers pack idea: Dreadnaughtus, Sauroposeidon, Maip, Meraxes and Diabloceratops.

[peak hazel]

https://gif.fxtwitter.com/tweet_video/HFVAL8YXIAAolWq.webp

[left spear]

Who invited Dreadnaoughtus to the group 🥀

Replace it with Nanotyrannus or Suchomimus

[peak hazel]

idk the name Dreadnaughtus has insane aura

[left spear]

The animal doesn't

Absolute larper that wastes the name

[open heron]

Hate to say it but an 'aura farmer' pack that doesn't have non dinosaurs is just an aura vacuum

[low bridge]

Peak List Dude

It's my turn, Peak Miocene mammals: Aepycamelus, Synthetoceras, Menoceras, Platybelodon

[left spear]

I was gonna say Barina since it's the biggest Aura farmer of the Cenozoic but i didn't want to break the pattern

[low bridge]

Dome head mammal pack:
Tsaidamotherium
Tylocephalonyx
Discokeryx

[polar tinsel]

It's a peak formation

[low bridge]

Yeah

[vital grove]

if you want a domehead pack you could have way more lol, not sure about mammals though.

Globicetus has to be one of the weirder dome heads

triopticus although very incomplete also a dome head

finally found the name again tapinocephalus ig would just barely be complete enough to be added

[eager thunder]

What time period is this funny fella

[cosmic cosmos]

late triassic

[eager thunder]

Another addition to the collection of Triassic fellas

[heavy scarab]

My personal Triassic requests are Tanystropheus and Desmatosuchus

[burnt shore]

Would like allodesmus

[left spear]

We already have 2 lions in-game

[low bridge]

It is time for Hyena

Lol

Pachycrocuta and Cave Hyena

🙃

[left spear]

Tbh i can't care much for cave hyena

Pachy + Dino would be cool tho

[low bridge]

Dinocrocuta caused big cats to be rarer in fossil record

Literaly

• it lived with Sinotherium and weird mammals like Tsaidamotherium

😳😶

[mild rose]

https://tenor.com/view/hyena-spin-spinning-insanity-gif-20244709

Boooooo give us the hyena

[vital grove]

its nice filler and could be re used for dinocrocuta

[limber needle]

Durophage I think

[slender tangle]

Yeah anything that involves cracking open hard objects is durophagy

Shells, nuts, bones, etc

[fervent basalt]

udanoceratops and shri rapax

[slim flare]

Udanoceratops would be really cool

[river perch]

it's true

it's extremely, extremely true

[feral cedar]

Shri rapax would definitely be an interesting DLC dromie

[left spear]

I mean it wouldn't be bad

But i think there's quite a few Dromaeosaurs/Troodontids that should take preference

[slim flare]

Deinonychus and Austroraptor first

[mint creek]

I'm afraid... Udanoceratops won't be making it through...

[peak hazel]

I agree with the sentiment

I do not like this animal

[low bridge]

When Devs says that they don't add specific animal this sounds like they will add it anyways

Same was with Titanoboa

[peak hazel]

no that was Mau misdirecting

[low bridge]

Mau tricked everyone

But Sahonachelys was biggest suprise in U16

I hope for more turtles

Meiolania,Megalochelys, Stupendemys

[mint creek]

Mau is a trickster but I trust Ida

[low bridge]

Do You wish for more elephants?

We have Wooly One, but Columbian one would be Nice too

And classic Deinotherium

[mint creek]

Hell yeah

I like Platybeladon and Stegotetrabeladon too

[low bridge]

Anancus also

Because it had the longest tusks

Arsinoitherium as relative to elephants would Fit too

Since it lived with Moeritherium

Cenozoic in Prehistoric Kingdom has literally unlimited potential

[left spear]

And Stenon

[left spear]

Easy solution

Just disect Ida

[mint creek]

https://tenor.com/view/american-psycho-willem-dafoe-duh-duhh-obviously-gif-16794513

[mild rose]

Perhaps no udano, but i propose to you
Gremlin slobodorum ☝️

[vital grove]

feels more like slight trolling

[mint creek]

The devs would never make things up for their own amusement

Scandalous accusation

[ancient ibex]

Does it have anything but a lol name?

Leptoceratops is right there

Single bone animal

[left spear]

Okey but consider this

It has

[mint creek]

aura

[left spear]

Yeah it stinks

[feral cedar]

Gremlin’s “aura” in question

[mint creek]

Hell yeah

Also why is a meme censored lmfao

[slim flare]

No

[eager thunder]

You know this has me realizing that giant theropods probably smelled insanely bad

[alpine thicket]

ehhh
A lot of nondinosaur reptiles and birds don't have much of an odor to them.

[feral cedar]

idk it’s what I found

[eager thunder]

I’m more thinking about the constant corpse stench

Unless I’m wrong about that

[slim flare]

Corpses are human
Carcasses are everything else

[runic tiger]

Not really helpful for a carnivore to stink of death

Why most predators try to keep themselves clean

[strange meadow]

dinosaurs, not counting minis, there's perhaps some redundancy here which i can live without
Aerosteon/Australovenator/Maip, Albertosaurus/Gorgosaurus, Amargasaurus, Anzu, Austroraptor, Brachytrachelopan, Concavenator, Corythoraptor, Centrosaurus, Dacentrurus/Miragaia, Deinonychus, Deltadromeus/Elaphrosaurus, Diabloceratops, Dromaeosaurus, Dryptosaurus, Euoplocephalus/Anodontosaurus/Scolosaurus, Falcarius, Gastonia, Gigantoraptor, Herrerasaurus, Huayangosaurus, Ichthyovenator, Juratyrant, Kentrosaurus, Liliensternus, Maiasaura, Mamenchisaurus, Meraxes, Mexidracon, Monolophosaurus, Nanotyrannus, Nigersaurus, Olorotitan, Oryctodromeus, Pelecanimimus, Pentaceratops, Pinacosaurus, Qianzhousaurus/Alioramus, Rugops, Saurolophus angustirostris/osborni, Sauropelta, Sauroposeidon, Shunosaurus, Sinoceratops, Stegouros, Struthiomimus/Ornithomimus, Suchomimus, Suskityrannus, Tenontosaurus, Troodon, Udanoceratops, Wuerhosaurus, Yangchuanosaurus, Yinlong

[runic tiger]

https://tenor.com/view/наблюдение-gif-6914885503807303786

[peak hazel]

I wouldn't go for Deltadromaeus

[eager thunder]

You know the main thing that bothers me about this chat is how much dinosaur spam there is

Not that I don’t think more dinosaurs should be added but just that mammals and everything else are super outnumbered

[strange meadow]

i'll get to that

i know ball

[eager thunder]

I see I see

[runic tiger]

Is your pfp thragg pepsiman with a coca cola polar bear, battle beast cape

[strange meadow]

yes

[runic tiger]

Thats so awsome

[strange meadow]

Mammals not counting minis part 1

Aenocyon, Amphicyon, Amphimachairodus/Machairodus, Arctodus, Arctotherium angustidens/tarijense/wingei, Barbourofelis, Chapalmalania, Daphoenodon, Dinictis, Dinocrocuta, Epicyon haydeni/saevus, Homotherium/Xenosmilus, Kretzoiarctos, Megalictis, Megistotherium, Miracinonyx, Promegantereon, Protocyon, Sarkastodon, Simocyon, Aepycamelus, Anoplotherium, Archaeotherium, Astrapotherium, Camelops, Chalicotherium, Chilotherium/Hesperotherium, Decennatherium, Diplobine, Discokeryx, Embolotherium andrewsi/grangeri, Gobiatherium, Hippotherium, Hoffstetterius, Homaldotherium Kubanochoerus, Macrauchenia/Theosodon, Megacerops, Megatylopus, Menoceras, Merycoidodon, Mesohippus, Metridiochoerus, Mongolonyx, Mixotoxodon/Toxodon, Moropus/Tylocephalonyx , Prolibytherium, Pyrotherium, Sinonyx, Sivatherium, Stenomylus, Syncerus antiquus, Synthetoceras, Teleoceras, Uintatherium

[eager thunder]

Discokeryx is such a funky fella I love em

[strange meadow]

Arsinoitherium, Barytherium, Cuvieronius, Deinotherium/Prodeinotherium, Mammut americanum/pacificus/Notiomastodon, Moeritherium, Numidotherium, Palaeoloxodon antiquus/namadicus/falconeri, Platybelodon, Tetralophodon, Doedicurus, Glyptotherium, Holmesina, Macroeuphractus, Megalocnus, Nothrotheriops, Paramylodon, Thalassocnus, Casteroides, Josephoartigasia, Nuralagus, Archaeoindris, Danuvius, DInopithecus, Gigantopithecus, Megaladapis

[eager thunder]

prolibytherium

[strange meadow]

Anachlysictis, Borhyaena, Diprotodon, Proborhyaena, Euryzygoma/Zygomaturus, Palorchestes, Procoptodon/Sthenurus, Thylacoleo carnifex/hilli, Wakaleo schouteni, Thylacosmilus, Barylambda, Coryphodon/Hypercoryphodon, Stylinodon, Taeniolabis, Titanoides, Trogosus

[cosmic cosmos]

i dont care for most mammals, nothing personal, reptiles just have way more appeal to me

im sure alot of others feel the same

[plush nacelle]

It really depends on people activity

[mint creek]

aura

[plush nacelle]

I checked last week and it was very cenozoic dominated

[eager thunder]

Heavy disagree but ok

[hollow flower]

I would guess the Paleozoic never really has a hold over the other 2

[eager thunder]

If there is any period I would want animals for more than the Cenozoic it is my good ol Permian Pals

[slim flare]

Non-vivarium Mesozoic that isn’t a dinosaur tho

[eager thunder]

Dimetrodon and Cortlorychus is my response

[slim flare]

Aren’t those Paleozoic?

[eager thunder]

Yes that’s what I mean

I need those more than a mammal Mesozoic

[plush nacelle]

Mammal, but paleozoic

[slim flare]

Desmatosuchus

Just give me Chinle DLC tbh

[eager thunder]

Isn’t that a Triassic?

[slim flare]

Yes

[eager thunder]

We do need more Triassic non dinosaurs

That could be a whole thing onto itself

Shringasaurus

[mild rose]

I was originally going to say leptoceratops but i think the name is funny 🤷‍♀️

[slim flare]

Postosuchus
Desmatosuchus
Placerias
Smilosuchus

[mild rose]

Based as hell

[eager thunder]

https://tenor.com/view/cotylorhynchus-my-beloved-beloved-dinosaur-reptile-gif-22077496

[mild rose]

I think ppl are really sleeping on giant temnospondyl amphibians as well

[slim flare]

Ngl, after U19, we need like a full year of just mammals, and after that Palaeozoic

[mild rose]

Behold! Giant amphibian progentor to crocodiles!

The majestic prionosuchus

[eager thunder]

Big ass fella my beloved

[slim flare]

Without diving, I’m still mixed on full semiaquatics

[mild rose]

I mean, isnt the deinosuchus coming to full release? I dont think its too horrible if they dont dive

It would be nice if they could tho

[eager thunder]

That and the land whale

Ambulocetus

[mild rose]

Mastodonsaurus would be cool as hell too, amazing freak of nature from the triassic

[eager thunder]

The creature
Is featured

[slim flare]

Wtf

I had no idea it was so fucking massive

[left spear]

Masto is estimated at almost 2 tons iirc

[slim flare]

Jesus

[low bridge]

What it ate?

[left spear]

Anything it could catch if i were to guess

It certainly could get a lot of things at that size

Amphibians are not exactly picky with food in most cases

[feral cedar]

for a sec I thought you were referring to mastodons

[limber needle]

wait no you have a point, if we add it at the same time as aerodactylus, meraxes, bulbasaurus, bambiraptor, ikrandraco, torukjara, and that one extinct bandicoot whose scientific name is "Crash bandicoot", we can make a "technically not violating copyright" update/ pack

[limber needle]

also Zuul crurivastator

[slim flare]

Amphibian grindset

[mild rose]

Yeeeeesssss
Freaking hilarious 😂

[outer moth]

Hypnovenator matsubaraetoheorum

https://tenor.com/view/trollface-gif-8242347154758580084

aka, the perfect vivarium animal to house near tyrannosauroids

[left spear]

He really isn't escaping that incident

[mild rose]

Whats the deal with hypnovenator? Ive never heard of it before

[left spear]

An artist accidentally read the species name as masturbator in a livestream and instead of leaving It as a funny moment decides to draw a piece based on it

[mild rose]

Omg

I think if cotylorhynchus ever gets added it should be alongside erthryosuchus, for the big-head small-head combo

[trail moth]

quickly made my own list seperated by era (V = vivariums), alot of the aquatic or semi aquatics are REALLY dependent on if they can do diving or not, same with the two pterosaurs

woops didnt mean to add ceno twice

[mild rose]

Solid list 👆

Good choices

[slender tangle]

Praepusa would be peak Viv material

[trail moth]

my beloved comically tiny seal

[wary nacelle]

Tarkus Squirei because it’s like the earliest known batfish (as in red lipped batfish) even though it’s like only half a foot long for future aquariums

[coarse inlet]

The movie Gremlins didn’t invent gremlins…

[amber field]

https://youtube.com/shorts/YWlfG5P-dNQ?si=G1VMIzz5in92LPIs is there point for this gathering it seems they all dead

[limber needle]

Me when I lie, pinnipeds need way more space than that

[limber needle]

Really?

[coarse inlet]

They’re a folkloric creature from WWI

[coarse inlet]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gremlin

[limber needle]

Oh damn, i had no idea about that

[slim flare]

Most people think gremlins are a part of European folklore instead tbh

[silver steeple]

They get conflated with goblins a lot so that's not surprising

[flint sable]

I thought the movie invented them ngl

[left spear]

And Kobolds

Although Kobolds have the issue of having been essentially replaced in modern folklore

The canine/reptilian characteristics are a very modern thing

Except in Pomeranian folklore if i'm not mistaken, they're quite draconic in there

[coarse inlet]

kobolds and goblins are the same thing

just German and English versions

[low bridge]

Game is lacking Hyenas

Like Pachycrocuta

[eager thunder]

Aren’t Kobolds dogs

[slender tangle]

Only the modern Japanese version popularized by Lodoss War

[eager thunder]

That explains the weird dungeon meshi ones

[slender tangle]

Classic germanic kobolds were gnome/goblin-ish house spirits

Kinda like the house elves from Harry Potter, but with less slavery

[eager thunder]

I always liked the tiny dragon lovers of d&d

[left spear]

Lizard Kobolds are mostly a DnD thing yeah

Pomeranian Kobolds are draconic aswell but not sure if DnD ones are based on them

They should add Kobolds to PK

With the dog and dragon species as alts

[hollow flower]

Vancleavea as a vivarium creature would be nice to see

[slim flare]

They get nearly 4 m long

[hollow flower]

I would also not mind it being in a full exhibit

[coarse inlet]

I'd much prefer it as a full exhibit

[magic grotto]

This creature would be a must-have if aquariums are ever added
https://www.cnn.com/2026/04/23/science/giant-octopus-cretaceous-study-scli-intl

[slim flare]

Once we get a better size estimation, sure

[left spear]

Just make it a Triassic Kraken alt

simple as

[slim flare]

Lmao

[burnt shore]

Speaking of cephalopods, Parapuzosia

[magic grotto]

The Cephalopod DLC 👀

[mild rose]

There is something so viscerally terrifying about that giant ammonite and i dont know why

[vast berry]

A recent disc

They recently unearthed a sauropod that lived in Morocco during the Maastrichtian stage of the Cretaceous Period

Sauropods were more common in the Late Cretaceous than we first thought, and not just in South America

[rigid spindle]

Oceania Pack (p1)

Megalania (varanus priscus):
would probably require a new rig seeing as how there’s no proper lizards in game, but I wouldn’t be surprised if they could find a way to bend some other rig into working. Gameplay-wise it would a carnivore that prefers desert and grassland environments and function as a larger, more appealing animal

Dromornis:
if we get a Moa later down the line, it could probably reuse that rig. It would be a herbivore/frugivore that likes desert, grassland, and coastal environments and would be an early-mid game animal for boosting appeal

Crash:
this guy is only in here as a joke and because there’s basically no artwork of it. Would be the same as basically all other vivarium species functionally, essentially being a tiny little insectivore that would be fun to watch scrounge around its enclosure looking for chaos

All concepts are by me

[vivid field]

Welcome back EZ

[vital grove]

megalania at the very least needs 1 orange/komodo coloured skin

[glass urchin]

Give me fish

Or give me death

[slender tangle]

If they do the aquatic update, and don't add a helicoprion/parahelicoprion the size of a whale shark, I will riot

[cosmic cosmos]

edestus would be an amazing alt for heli

[sweet knot]

More ankylosaurus' 🥹🥹🥹🥹🥹🥹🥹

[cosmic cosmos]

edmontonia/polocanthus, sauropelta, kunbarrasaurus, tarchia/saichania/pinacosaurus, antarctopelta ❤️

[signal ember]

With the new study on Nanaimoteuthis, I hope they could add it too.

[slender tangle]

All of those tentacles might be a chore to animate tbh

[signal ember]

good point

But they could reuse the rig for other cephalopods

[left spear]

John

[low bridge]

John the Megalochoerus

Lol

🙃

This poll is for fun

[short rover]

I thought it was graded

[mint creek]

I'm not too knowledgeable on prehistoric pigs, which one would you recommend EZ?

[hollow flower]

On the topic of cephalopods, id love to see Endoceras

[low bridge]

If U like Cuban Sandwich so I recommend Kubanochoerus

Dude

[mint creek]

I'll vote for Kubanochoerus 🫡

[low bridge]

There was a Giant Cuban Owl

[alpine thicket]

There's honestly a lot of good cephalopod options.

[peak hazel]

five

hundred

ammonites

[shy vale]

i would've done edmontonia/denversaurus, tarchia/saichania/pinacosaurus, spicomellus, stegouros, and sauropelta or gastonia

[low bridge]

Homotherium, Homalocephale would be Nice to see someday in Peak Kingdom

[feral cedar]

Homalocephale would probably disappoint people because it likely isn’t flat-headed

And the outdated flathead reconstruction is why people tend to suggest Homalocephale tbh

But, a smaller Gobi Desert pachycephalosaur to accompany Pachy itself is still a great idea, so… Prenocephale, my beloved

[wild relic]

Yesss bring Preno back I pray for Preno

[slim flare]

Prenocephale is the more logical Homalocephale

Unless Homalo is an alt and they just keep the juvenile form

[coarse inlet]

huh? since when

[slim flare]

A decade or more

[feral cedar]

it’s mostly because Homalocephale is known from not fully grown specimens and is phylogenetically nested within pachycephalosaurs that all grow domes

[shy vale]

what about goyocephale/prenocephale?

[slim flare]

What about Goyocephale?

[shy vale]

instead of homalocephale

[slim flare]

I mean it’s also a juvenile

[coarse inlet]

I have never heard anyone say this before

[coarse inlet]

did

[slim flare]

Did

[coarse inlet]

did you just cite yourself

[slim flare]

It was the oldest message in this server I could find regarding it

Erior talked about it a year later too

My point being, yes it’s not a new idea

[ancient ibex]

We have a very domed Pachy at the earliest both in time and divergence as well, while everything with a flat head tends to look like the dome headed neighbors

I swear if this ends up being the example of skeletal sexual dimorphism in dinosaurs...

[slim flare]

It’s probably not a coincidence that all flat-head Pachycephalosaurs are only known from juveniles, and some definitely grew into a dome

[kindred jacinth]

https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/abs/pii/S0031018217306685?via%3Dihub
is this no longer the case

image of article since no embed

[cosmic cosmos]

Really obvious one, but with stego on the PTB and allo soon to come, Morrison DLC

• Camptosaurus dispar/Uteodon aphanoecetes
• Ceratosaurus nasicornis
• Dacentrurus armatus +/- (Miragaia longicollum?)
• Diplodocus carnegi/hallorum/Supersaurus vivianae
• Gargoyleosaurus parkpinorum
• Ornitholestes hermanni

[eager thunder]

Forgot how small ceratos where

[slim flare]

It’s still the case

[proper raven]

psure its been known a while that theyre distinct when a juvenile homalocephale is the same size as an adult prenocephale

[feral cedar]

Actually Ceratosaurus is probably just one species

[ancient ibex]

To be honest, the argument in that paper is pretty much based on some Prenocephale skulls being larger than others, but that's consistent with Stegoceras still growing after getting a dome. And, at the end of the day, if we find fully domed hatchlings (rather than stuff that still had growth to do), I'd ponder sexual dimorphism being a thing, rather than Pachycephalosaurus, Prenocephale AND Stegoceras parallel evolving a coeval sister taxon whose main difference is the lack of a dome.

[fervent basalt]

Ornimegalonyx oteroi

[ancient ibex]

Decidueye intensifies

[wary nacelle]

Teilhardina for arboreal vivariums

So cute

So cute

Now you may say it’s just a monkey what’s so special?

One it’s very very small

Two it’s from North America

[polar tinsel]

Oh, had no idea NA ever had primates

[amber field]

The last one was from the Oligocene

[polar tinsel]

Cool

[lean hound]

iirc they actually originated from NA

[polar tinsel]

That's the last continent I would've guessed

[desert flame]

Most of the primates that can be added to PK might be vivarium animals.
For a full exhibit, it would be either Dinopithecus or Gigantopithecus.

[ancient ibex]

More arboreal stuff, and more biomes in general for the vivaria, would be great tbh

[amber field]

I wonder why they added rope in enrichments

[median skiff]

I think the terror birds would be a very nice addition to the game. I understand, many of you want Titanis, kelenken and other big ones, me too, but personally i would be happy to see Mesembryornis, Devincensia or Psilopterus. Also i would love to see Josephoartigasia as a new semi-aquatic creature and just a big capybara. And my favourite mammal suggestions is Thylacosmilus, Mammuthus Columbi and Enhydriodon (possibly with to species: omoensis & dikikae)

[lean hound]

Columbian mammoth is on the old post ea ideas list

[median skiff]

I dont known that, but it is expectet. Well, i just want a columbian bro too

[desert flame]

This is old post ea ideas.

[desert flame]

It's probably intended for flightless arboreal animals, including primates.
However, it might only be added after EA period.

[amber field]

Yeah mostly will be for non flying arboreal

It's high chance that would be primate

[coarse inlet]

Drepanosaurus is non flying

[left spear]

Or is it

[mint creek]

I hope all the animals on the old post-ea ideas list made it into the new one. They're all bangers.

[left spear]

I think Ornithomimus is a bit whatever but otherwise yeah

And Columbian mammoth as a dlc alt rather than it's own thing

[short rover]

I actually am not the biggest fan of some personally

[ancient ibex]

On the same level as Giga pretty much, lowkey a DLC alt

[left spear]

Yeah

[ancient ibex]

Then again, same applies to Suchomimus pretty much

[left spear]

Yesn't

Still a dlc alt but sucho is a much better one at that

Ornitho's value can honestly be replicated using a different skin and ontogeny

If you want both on your park just use a 80% galli with a different skin

[ancient ibex]

I disagree

[peak hazel]

I'd rather have the actual animal over a neotogeny alt

[left spear]

Well yeah no shit

But like

I think there would be better alts to add to such dlc

[plush nacelle]

Bornean ornithomimus

[left spear]

Sucho itself for example

Wha

[ancient ibex]

Except the issue with those tends to be "either it or nothing"

[low bridge]

La Brea Pack with Columbian Mammoth, Aenocyon, Camelops, Shasta Ground Sloth

[slim flare]

Hell Creek supremacy

Also Prehistoric Park

[mint creek]

Hell Creek supremacy

[slim flare]

Also I liked the concept art

[alpine thicket]

I wouldn't mind Ornithomimus at all, especially if the skin had patterning like that.
It's not one of my priorities again but like

I certainly wouldn't mind it showing up

[vital grove]

enclosure pleaseeeeeeee

[coarse inlet]

Ornithomimus would be great to have for various mixed habitats

[eager thunder]

Ornithomus would be fantastic for a smaller hell creek animal alongside the Pachy

That and Archeoraptor

[peak hazel]

we need Ornithomimus grandis

[ancient ibex]

Acheroraptor, Archaeoraptor was the Yanornis+Microraptor forgery, and I'm not sure it'd be a good choice

Thescelosaurus and Leptoceratops are IMO great additional Hell Creek taxa

(Lepto attached to Udano tho)

[feral cedar]

Huh, if I had a nickel for every time we found a Maastrichtian-aged dromaeosaur in North America known only from a fragmentary snout I'd have two nickels. It's not a lot, but it's weird that it happened twice right?

[feral cedar]

Don't forget Anzu as a standalone and Denversaurus as a possible Edmontonia alt genus

[ancient ibex]

You'd have a few more lol

[feral cedar]

Acheroraptor, Atrociraptor... who else?

[ancient ibex]

Saurornitholestinae/Dromaeosaurinae sensu stricto doesn't quite have an equivalent to the fighting dinos Velo specimen

[flint sable]

not a dromaeosaur but stygiovenator um

exists

[feral cedar]

does it

Isn't it intertwined with Nanotyrannus?

[flint sable]

yeah

its definitely a rock

looks like it exists to me

[feral cedar]

Which is mostly why NA dromaeosaurs are best reserved for Utahraptor and Deinonychus

[ancient ibex]

And Dromaeosaurus itself at a distant third, covering the camps of late cretaceous Dromaeosaur Velo doesn't (it is American, robust and from wetter habitats)

[feral cedar]

Dromaeosaurus itself could possibly be a Utahraptor alt

[ancient ibex]

I doubt they will remain closely related

[feral cedar]

Ah, fair

[ancient ibex]

Utahraptor's weirdness is still mostly unpublished and undescribed, most of its phylo coding comes from the quite fragmentary type

[eager thunder]

What is with hell creek and fake Dromeosaurs

[peak hazel]

no Acheroraptor is the real one

Archaeoraptor was a forged fossil from China

[eager thunder]

Oh

[alpine thicket]

Dakotaraptor's also probably not fake, just has a lot of non-dromie elements in it and needs like a real proper analysis it's not going to get as it stands.

[ancient ibex]

Oh yeah, Deinonychus sized dromaeosaur is a thing in Hell Creek, but Dakotaraptor is a mess of a holotype

As in the chimeric specimen is the type

[eager thunder]

I assume that means it’s not gonna be as big as people assume it is

Fucking private collectors

[slender tangle]

Anyone suggest Tanystropheus yet? Just realized that would be a good one, potentially in U18 or a future aquatic DLC

[flint sable]

its been brought up 30 times prior in the channel so id say so

[slender tangle]

oof

[alpine thicket]

Tanystropheus would be a cool option.

[shy vale]

maybe do a morrison/lourinha double pack dlc

considering that the european species of allosaurus is part of update 17

[polar tinsel]

This is why discord is inferior medium for this type of discussion, oh well

[cosmic cosmos]

I did where I could as alts, the issue is that most of the good lourinha stuff doesnt work as alts

[ancient ibex]

I mean, we are starting to get American turiasaurs and dacentrurines

[burnt gate]

we NEED albertosaurus

[low bridge]

Albertosaurus, Gorgosaurus, Lytronax

For Nodosaurids: Borealopelta, Polacanthus, Edmontonia

[shy vale]

there are american turiasaurs, but the currently-named ones are basically all from the early cretaceous

the morrison turiasaur material so far is just teeth

[feral cedar]

Gorgo as alberto alt

[slim flare]

And we can just not have Lythronax

[feral cedar]

Imo we only really need 3 tyrannosaurids; rex, alberto, and alio

[slim flare]

Probably

Those are definitely the top three

Daspletosaurus is the only other Tyrannosaurid I have any interest in seeing, and it’s definitely fourth place

Non-Tyrannosaurid Tyrannosaurs we got Guanlong, Yutyrannus and Nanotyrannus

[feral cedar]

I would also like to see Juratyrant, I think it’s neat

[slim flare]

Eh

Wish we had a skull

[feral cedar]

Yeah, it definitely could be better preserved

Nanotyrannus does cover that “gracile tyrannosaur” gimmick

And the Dueling Dinosaurs specimen makes Nanotyrannus one of the most complete tyrannosaurs

[low bridge]

What about Thanatostheries Dude??

[slim flare]

One of? I think it might be number 1

[shy vale]

could there be like a dryptosaurus alt for nanotyrannus?

[feral cedar]

easily

[slim flare]

Probably not

And Nanotyrannus already has two species

[feral cedar]

I find it interesting that Dryptosaurus claded with Nano in a collective family one time

But until we find more drypto, we can’t be sure

[shy vale]

that's actually part of why it's considered valid now

[slim flare]

I also put Nanotyrannus above Alioramus because it’s better known and preserved, but there can be both

[shy vale]

but alioramus could also have a qianzhousaurus alt

[slim flare]

Until Alioramus has the adult remains described

[shy vale]

and considering the recent paper regarding asiatyrannus actually being tarbosaurus...

[feral cedar]

Alio adult remains need to be described

Maybe Alioramus sinensis becomes a thing

[slim flare]

I wouldn’t think about that paper much tbh

[shy vale]

then we could have like a "nanxiong dinosaurs" pack (apparently there's no "nanxiong formation", but there's like multiple formations around the jiangxi/guangdong border)

(though most of the dinosaurs found there date to the maastrichtian nevertheless?)

like the formations there are like say, the lianhe formation (such as gongshuilong)

[feral cedar]

Does the Nanxiong area even really have much to offer?

It’s a bunch of oviraptorosaurs

and Qianzhousaurus

[low bridge]

Udanoceratops

[slim flare]

What

[shy vale]

there's jiangxititan and gongshuilong

[plush nacelle]

Nanhsiungchelys

[low bridge]

Udano goat

[slim flare]

Udanoceratops is Djadochta

[shy vale]

there's chianghsia, a big lizard

[low bridge]

It ate Velociraptors for dinner

[slim flare]

k

[plush nacelle]

Turtle

[low bridge]

Which one? Name it

[slim flare]

No

[plush nacelle]

Nanhsiungchelys

[feral cedar]

so not much lol

[plush nacelle]

These were flat shelled terrestrial turtles from mesozoic

[feral cedar]

we could get flat-shelled land turtles with Basilemys, same family

[plush nacelle]

Both are good

[shy vale]

but gongshuilong has that tail and is related to maiasaura

[low bridge]

What about Caninemys Nice Dudes??

[feral cedar]

Gongshuilong is Maiasaura’s ridge-tailed Maastrichtian relative, just like how Hypacrosaurus is Lambeosaurus’s ridge-backed Maastrichtian relative. Me personally? They’re cool, but… a bit eh

[plush nacelle]

Basilemys lowkey so good

[ancient ibex]

I honestly am keen on Alectrosaurus as an alt for a gracile Eutyrannosaur; Asian Turonian biota needs more than just Gigantoraptor IMO

[shy vale]

bayan shireh has a lot of stuff

like segnosaurus as an alt for therizinosaurus or something

or even duonychus

[ancient ibex]

Shame on both Alectro and Juratyrant being lacking in the skull department, they cover a neat size space in a time range where Tyrannosaurs aren't often shown

[ancient ibex]

So potential Segnosaurus lol

[shy vale]

alectrosaurus and khankuuluu as an alt

[feral cedar]

Is there a tyrannosauroid that could be used to approximate their skull shape, at least?

[shy vale]

achillobator is also present in bayan shireh

[ancient ibex]

Khankuuluu for Alectro

[feral cedar]

oh durr, of course

[ancient ibex]

Juratyrant, well, no stokesosaur skull material is a bummer

[feral cedar]

Eotyrannus?

[ancient ibex]

Not consistently one

[feral cedar]

Dang

[ancient ibex]

Tanycolagreus perhaps

[feral cedar]

It's a crime that with such a wealth of remains, the 10 million years of Morrison has yet to give us more than a hip bone for stokesosaurids

[slim flare]

Unless Tany is a synonym

[shy vale]

smaller dinosaurs and morrison isn't a good combination tbh

especially with smaller therapods

[feral cedar]

Ornitholestes begs to differ

[ancient ibex]

Xiongguanlong is the earliest eutyrannosaur-line animal and has a neat skull, but megaraptorans at times pop closer to eutyrannosaurs, and its skull is kinda reminiscent of both opposite approach of macropredatory non-maniraptoriforms

[shy vale]

that's one of the only exceptions

[feral cedar]

Although it's probably the exception, not the rule

[slim flare]

Ornitholestes would be cool for PK

[ancient ibex]

Single specimen, partial

[slim flare]

Fruitadens

[shy vale]

i don't get ornitholestes hype

[shy vale]

is it more complete than enigmacursor?

[feral cedar]

Partial? Isn't this the holotype?

[ancient ibex]

Heavily restored

[feral cedar]

Dang

[shy vale]

but seriously i would rather have stokesosaurus or hesperornithoides than ornitholestes tbh

[slim flare]

Stokesosaurus is a fucking hip

[shy vale]

yeah i know about the whole "ornitholestes could be a basal oviraptorosaur" thing

[ancient ibex]

Honestly, the reason I'd like a Morrison tangential stokesosaur, with Guanlong being a thing, is Juratyrant's size

[slim flare]

Ornitholestes is cool because it’s kinda the perfect generic theropod, and especially cool if its a basal Oviraptorosaur

[ancient ibex]

Niche covered by Yi as well

[slim flare]

Ok but they’re different kinds of basal Oviraptorosaurs

[feral cedar]

Ornitholestes honestly could be pretty cool super ultra basal early coelurosaur if people play around with it not having pennaceous feathering

[feral cedar]

It's in a similar length ballpark to Velociraptor at some 2 meters, but coating it in fuzz yields something akin to this

[ancient ibex]

Tbh, not sure about it not being maniraptoriform adjacent

[feral cedar]

Perhaps

[feral cedar]

Something more "fluffy" like this could still work

[fervent basalt]

Barosaurus and ornitholestes (so I can finally complete my Morrison Formation ecosystem lol)

[wary nacelle]

Nanaimoteuthis even though it’s like unreasonably large for aquariums

It can just sit in the aquarium and do nothing the whole time

[left spear]

This is increbibly exaggerated size

even for the largest estimate

[wary nacelle]

Don't pay attention the the rendition just pay attention to the animal

[left spear]

Fair

But like

the thing is

[wary nacelle]

The largest estimate iirc is 62 feet long

[left spear]

its not unreasonably large for an aquarium

[wary nacelle]

It’s about 20 feet off of a blue whale

[left spear]

Squids are thin

And tentacles are not rigid

[wary nacelle]

But you know what is rigid

A rock

[left spear]

And besides the largest estimates are unrealistic on their own

[wary nacelle]

I’m already writing an essay about how aquariums should work if added to PK anyway

[left spear]

Also like

as cool as it is it's barely better than Aust colossus tier

[wary nacelle]

Aust colossus would need like an ocean as a habitat

[left spear]

I meant as an addition

It's an extremely fragmentary "imagine if" animal

[wary nacelle]

Well

[left spear]

Like size range estimates are between 6 to 19 meters

[wary nacelle]

Uhh

What did you expect from an octopus

Tentacle skeletal too?

[left spear]

How are you supposed to add that into the game

Without making up an animal

[alpine thicket]

Eeeeh it's more solid then that, we have an okay idea of what it probably was and based on extant relatives what it would likely have looked like
I certainly wouldn't mind it but the biggest size is less likely and that art hugely exaggerates it.

[left spear]

It's theoretically a very cool addition but a falls apart the moment you try to implement it

[alpine thicket]

Beaks are pretty good for octopus identification

[left spear]

Tbh at that point i'd rather have other large cephalopods take priority

[alpine thicket]

I'm not clamoring for it yeah, but I wouldn't mind it either

In terms of big cephalopods I want Parapuzosia a lot

[eager thunder]

Glyptodon or Doedidcus

I’m aware i probably misspelled both

[vital grove]

i think that one is way to new to touch

[left spear]

Objectively the best one, afterwards an orthocone and then maybe something more normal like Tusoteuthis, then i wouldn't mind Naniamo

Ignoring aquariums

[alpine thicket]

Yep that's more or less how I feel about it as well.

[left spear]

For aquariums i'd say the mandatory generic ammonite, one of the funny shaped cretaceous one and Nectocaris

[shell sonnet]

I know this was days ago, but Mira isn't from Morrison, you're thinking of Alcova

[ancient ibex]

Which is found to be a Miragaia species by the workers who don't lump Mira into Dacentrurus 🥲

[shell sonnet]

They can both be wrong.

[feral cedar]

Miragaia's taxonomic status is so puzzling

Two recent papers both published and addressed overlapping material. One paper said the overlapping material rendered them indistinguishable. The second paper said that because of something to do with, I think vertebrae, they were actually separate species

[cosmic cosmos]

oh yeah, put them in the wrong order lol

[ancient ibex]

Genera are subjective and all that

[cosmic cosmos]

wait, how did I even mess that up, i had them ordered alphabetically

[ancient ibex]

The lumping paper is the least through one afaik; ignoring the characters that dont favor the lump

[feral cedar]

Dacentrurus armatus and Dacentrurus longicollum in Europe, Alcovasaurus multispinus in North America

[feral cedar]

Ah, I see

[ancient ibex]

2 separate Dacentrurus species is never recovered

multispinus is always closer to longicollum than either to armatus whenever armatus and longicollum are treated as separate iirc

[feral cedar]

Interesting

So Miragaia w/ Alcovasaurus alt for PK, got it

[slim flare]

Not Camptosaurus? Or Diplodocus? Or Ceratosaurus? Or Gargoyleosaurus?

Those four and Ornitholestes are the only Morrison species I ever need

[fervent basalt]

Diplodocus and Ceratosaurus will arrive in the future, but I forgot about Campto and Gargoyleosaurus lol

[ancient ibex]

I don't really care much for Gargoyleosaurus tbh

Campto, Diplo, Cerato and the smaller theropods, on the other hand, go hard

Gimme 5 meter long Jurassic tyrannosauroid

[slim flare]

It fills a nice size range and would probably be the only Jurassic Ankylosaur the game could have. Would be nice as a smallish animal in Morrison exhibits alongside the sauropods and stuff.

They also remind me of retro Ankylosaurus depictions, which I always thought were not very big

[ancient ibex]

I dunno, from the likely polacanth line I'm more fond of the cretaceous animals, even if less complete

[cosmic cosmos]

Actually, looking at this again, maybe swap out supersaurus for kaatedocus for some size diversity, seeing how many similar size diplodocids we have already

[feral cedar]

I feel like Gargoyleosaurus is hard carried by being Morrison

[slim flare]

Yes, but with reason

[shell sonnet]

Small animal of Morrison is Dryo's job; I think the smallish ankylosaur slot is better filled by Kunnabara or even Stegorous

[strange meadow]

more small animals are always welcome

[shell sonnet]

kaatedocus exact position in the tree is a bit of mess, so it's not really a good choice for an alt. I think 2 skins for D. carnegi and one for hallorum is fine

[vernal blaze]

if you really want an alt genus for Diplo, you could do Tornieria to set up Tendaguru for things like Elaphro and Kentro

[proper raven]

If i wanted an alt genus for Diplo id go for Supersaurus or Barosaurus

[limber needle]

If we're talking prehistory, that might be hard

[frail dock]

Devs give me marine Reptiles and flying Reptiles and my life is yours

[low bridge]

Barosaurus

[mint creek]

What we thinking chat

What's a good Alt of the Croc

[plush nacelle]

Second deinosuchus

[mint creek]

https://tenor.com/view/american-psycho-willem-dafoe-duh-duhh-obviously-gif-16794513

[low bridge]

Wetland Update hmmm Purrusaurus is in my mind rather than another Deinosuchus

[plush nacelle]

EZ pls

[mint creek]

There's three species of Deinosuchus right? Which one would be the most interesting companion to hatcheri? (I'm assuming that would be the main)

[plush nacelle]

At best it is going to be new vivarium animal

[feral cedar]

A second Deinosuchus species strikes me as unlikely mostly because it just doesn’t feel relevant if that makes sense

[plush nacelle]

Not less relevant than second stegosaurus imo or four allosaurus

[feral cedar]

I’m actually fully expecting the Deinosuchus main species to be riograndensis

[mint creek]

Guessing that's the biggest?

[feral cedar]

Best understood one

[mint creek]

idk much about Deino, but I did know hatcheri was the type species

ah that makes sense

[plush nacelle]

Gonna be probably the biggest and some smaller species

[mint creek]

Notable size difference gives good relevancy I think

[plush nacelle]

Or alternatively one from laramidia and one from appalachia

[feral cedar]

Which one’s from Appalachia?

[plush nacelle]

Schwimmeri

[feral cedar]

Interesting

[plush nacelle]

Also apparently one of the smallest

So ya, hatcheri and schwimmeri for me

[mint creek]

Yeah that makes the most sense

[shell sonnet]

It's going to be Suchomimus, they just went with the meat diet to mess with us.

[mint creek]

Holy truth nuke

[plush nacelle]

So speculative skin for baryonyx would be suchomimus

[mint creek]

Just like they're doing with the insectivores in U19 (one will be Arthropleura cope)

[low bridge]

Devs cook, we eat

[cosmic cosmos]

Sucho is my honest guess here

[plush nacelle]

Sucho makes no sense

Given baryonyx is confirmed to have 3 skins

[fresh ember]

What's the off-chance it's something completely different?

[mint creek]

6.7%

[plush nacelle]

I would say 25%

For vivarium critter

[left spear]

If vivarium what would it be

Assuming Ambulo is the piscivore

Doubt Beelzebufo would fit the update, if anything it would use a terrestrial vivarium

[fresh ember]

Could be anyone's guess; Champsosaurus, Crassigyrinus, Ichthyostega, etc.

[plush nacelle]

To be fair

Anything

[left spear]

Castorocauda?

[fresh ember]

Off the top of my head, really.

[plush nacelle]

Fish could be secondary diet for it

[left spear]

Tbh except maybe Champso those feel more dlc

I feel like we're missing a somewhat clear option

Obdurodon would be immensly funny

[peak hazel]

well thats new

probably an alt but we'll see

[left spear]

Wouldn't it be funny if it was a Puru alt

[plush nacelle]

Puru alt to what

[left spear]

Deino

[plush nacelle]

It would be like

[left spear]

Obviously not, it would be riograndensis

[plush nacelle]

Allosaurus alt to carnotaurus

[left spear]

Eh bit less but yeah

[plush nacelle]

Even more

[left spear]

*Buuuuut * it would be funny

[plush nacelle]

Deino belly slide, while puru can walk

[left spear]

Wouldn't be the first animal with incorrect locomotion

[plush nacelle]

But this level of incorrect?

[left spear]

I mean Juxia not being able to run is pretty bad

Also like we ain't getting Puru independently in a million years so

Nah but yeah don't

Honestly

Make riograndensis the main animal then hatcheri the alt

[slim flare]

Oh cool, second Deinosuchus

[shy vale]

i still don't get the difference between stegosaurus stenops versus ungulatus?

also were there any other semi-aquatic/wetland animals that were part of the earlier ideas that were also carnivorous?

[sullen moon]

What was so bad it had to be reacted like this?

[final quest]

If you put them side by side it’s obvious, ungulatus has a shorter neck, shorter tail, bigger thagomizers and the back legs arch higher. I think the plates are slightly bigger too

[shy vale]

i see, thanks

but did anyone expect there to be a 4th slot for update 18?

[low bridge]

This was unexpected

Devs know what they do

[slim flare]

Yeah