Community Species Suggestions

[eager thunder]

https://preview.redd.it/ferenceratops-ferenc-horned-face-late-cretaceous-europe-v0-xixx1q6cgccg1.jpeg?auto=webp&s=469311c4607a1b6e02054070b5f4659f145ac820 this one

[vital grove]

yeah an entire group was moved into ceratopsia

[flint sable]

a smaller hutia

[eager thunder]

Vivarium Bambi raptor is probably something only I really want but I do really want it

[vital grove]

could be nice but i feel like after release stuff like this should be reused models, with a new shape. think of a reworked velociraptor model for this. it wouldnt need new animations

so basically an alt

[eager thunder]

Eh
It’s not even top priority for myself

[vital grove]

i definetely dont mind species as alts anything could be one especially if they made themed dlcs like i suggested

[eager thunder]

I just need some Cenozoic predators

Dire wolves cave hyenas hyenadon the likes of that

[vital grove]

i hope this game keeps updating while funding the updates with dlcs and doesnt feel the need to go to a 2nd game like planet zoo its what turns me off from those games since id rather have 1 game with frequent dlcs than a 2nd game that doesnt include all of the dlc animals

[eager thunder]

Pretty sure the devs stated once they’re done with PK they’re moving on to something else

[vital grove]

the moment i lose even 1 animal i dont feel the need to buy the second game and especially in this community seeing how loyal it seems to be i think everyone would rather pay for another dlc with frequent improvements to the main game than buy a version 2

[vital grove]

yeah but i genuinly think this game could live a decade off dlc money with how loyal its playerbase seems to be maybe even longer

[eager thunder]

I’d buy anything these people sold me

[flint sable]

correct

[vital grove]

i think they should add both free updates alongside paid dlc to further developement and they will be set after the game releases since the playerbase is growing and again seems very loyal to the game itself

[flint sable]

but they said that would depend on how well support goes for the game

the way I interpret it is, once the game stops getting player support dev support will also stop

if people continue to buy and support the game, more support will come

[eager thunder]

They did say if they end up making flying/swiming animals the first few will be free

[vital grove]

although i do think for this to happen they need to release paid dlc but honestly if we get 6-10 animals per dlc id buy it 15 years from now. LOL(league legends) is still making money so i dont see why a continuously updated accurate extinct zoo game wouldnt. since most of us would probably keep playing it as long as the devs keep updating it. so they can easily use dlc to fund more features to the main game

[flint sable]

definitely

I realistically see DLC sizes being anywhere between 4 and 8

for the roster

[vital grove]

the thing i keep seeing most with zoo games and a 2nd version is that most peoplde dont want to give up any animal from the base roster and base dlcs so if this game keeps updating its main features it can release dlcs indefinetely

[flint sable]

the most likely pairings I see are

6 exhibit 1 vivarium (total 7)
6 exhibit 2 vivarium (total 8)
4 exhibit 1 vivarium (total 5)
4 exhibit 2 vivarium (total 6)
4 exhibit (total 4)

[plush nacelle]

The thing is at some point game would become outdated aside constant new animal additions

[flint sable]

I mean thats fair

[plush nacelle]

For example I can see PK changing engine for something different

In case mau decide it is time for sequel

This time with proper resources generated through first game

[vital grove]

they can use the money from dlcs to update things like combat and add things like flyers/aquatics. i see a second game as a money grab. it is possible to update the main game with free content for the base game purchasers AND add dlc with new content at the same time

like they could add a themed paid dlc with 10 species and then go right into a free update adding aquatic animals after the games full release

[plush nacelle]

This is very simple look at it

Your comment is literally just more animals

[vital grove]

no its not look at no mans sky, and while yes the dlcs would be more animals this could fund the base game more into adding base game flyers and aquatics for example

[plush nacelle]

So again more animals

[vital grove]

they can do both base game updates and more animal dlcs at the same time my man

[quick ore]

how do you have an island centric dlc with nothing from Madagascar

[vital grove]

i have a seperate dlc idea for just madagascar alone

[vital grove]

if this isnt an option please remove league of legends hearts of iron and some other games from existance

[plush nacelle]

You realise league is prime example of why they should make sequel, right?

Have you ever played it?

[vital grove]

yes i have

like 3000 hours before the chemo cured me from league

[plush nacelle]

Then you should understand at some point you really just need to do something new and not just add champions (in PK case animals)

You essentially stuck with game running on code from its release

[vital grove]

so the dlc can be new animals, and this can fund major changes to the game. as long as both happen, since this is a very unique game with its realism and loyal playerbase i think it will be fine

and again look at no mans sky, which is still receiving major updates

[plush nacelle]

Assuming major changes can happen without making whole new game, which is why sequel should be done in such case

Take volumetric water for example

[vital grove]

adding swimming animals and flying animals isnt worth a second game

again there are multiple games that prove its easily done jurassic park evolution just wants your money they dont care about the final product

if this game added a flyer update with 10 free species and a dlc with 10 species including 3 flyers wouldnt you buy the dlc?

[plush nacelle]

PK is ultimately indie product with core game being limited by limited resources. There is reason mau told us to never say never to sequel

[vital grove]

as long as it has 100% of the base game roster including dlc sure

im not paying again for a model with just an updated texture

[vital grove]

like i said

the commitement of the devs is what drew me to this game if it was planet zoo or jwe i wouldnt bother

i play planet zoo 1 but i dont think ill ever buy 2 for this exact reason and i know there are more people like this

the base game can be updated together with dlc

it doesnt have to be one or the other

the models wont need updates for a decade they look good enough, as long as dlc can fund updates to the base game we can keep going it just depends on the playerbases willingness to fund the developement

making swimming animations doesnt qualify enough for making a whole new game it just shows you want money and they could easily release 2 species dlcs for 10 euros that can fund developement for this and then after they can include aquatic species into future dlcs

what would you even want after combat flyers and aquatics

if the nms devs made this game wed have 200 species by now or more

what is there even to add to a zoo game after combat, flyers, and aquatics just normal updates with dlc should keep it going with how the community is

[left spear]

Animals

[vital grove]

exactly so more dlc in a constantly cared for game would make more sense for its current state since im sure most players would buy dlcs with its current graphics for maybe even 20 years as long as it gets care

[flint sable]

I mean currently I can think of one thing

that isnt coming in terms of features other than aerials and aquatics

that hasnt been mentioned to come

track rides

also building pieces

[vital grove]

and a 10 species dlc can easily fund this base game update these things can go hand in hand. this isnt planet zoo that needs to milk money

[silver steeple]

Late so this may have already been said but
A) Wrangel Island mammoths weren't any smaller than the mainland Siberian mammoths that they were descendants of

B) the Glacial skin is already of the same size as the Siberian/Wrangel mammoths

Also where are you getting the translucent hair thing, I've never heard of this

[vital grove]

pbs eons made a video about it if they have incorrect info id like to know

[silver steeple]

I don't doubt higher latitude mammoth populations like those in Siberia having lighter fur color on average (as the Glacial skin depicts) but I've just never heard about it being translucent like that of a polar bear

[vital grove]

it had to do with the genetic bottleneck, more like a recessive mutation and they also mentioned smaller size

[flint sable]

iirc there is some evidence to sugguest that the insular populations specifically might have had slightly different color variations than the mainland, even just siberian populations

partially due to inbreeding

I could be totally wrong, though

[vital grove]

this exact thing basically

[silver steeple]

Again the size is the same as their ancestral populations

[flint sable]

but yeah size remained pmuch unchanged correct

[silver steeple]

Eastern Siberian mammoth populations got pretty small

[flint sable]

if it was smaller it would have been within the realm of individual variation

[vital grove]

mammoths in general are overzised often since people dont know the difference between a mammoth and a paleoloxodon

[silver steeple]

I've asked some more knowledgeable people I know about sources if they have any

[silver steeple]

That has no bearing on what we're talking about here

[flint sable]

I think most people do, they usually just take the absolute largest estimates

but yeah thats an entirely seperate topic

[silver steeple]

Eastern Siberian mammoths were like 3t on avg

[flint sable]

which is still huge compared to modern animals but like half as big as other mammoth populations

iirc western europe had the biggest?

or was it central asia

[silver steeple]

Much smaller than the 6+ ton individuals you find across more temperate regions in Eurasia and America

[vital grove]

not to an african elephant lol

[flint sable]

I mean thats like

[silver steeple]

Yeah that's where the largest individuals come from

[flint sable]

the one terrestrial animal bigger than that

so

[silver steeple]

The siegsdorf bull is over 8t

From Germany

[flint sable]

ye

the largest african bush elephant ever was approximately 10 tonnes

[silver steeple]

Yeah

[vital grove]

i guarentee you by modern standards wed have multuple subspecies

[flint sable]

so its not unreasonable to say that woolly mammoths had a size range that spanned the absolute smallest living elephants to the largest living ones

[flint sable]

definitely

[silver steeple]

Pretty much

[left spear]

140 kg fit man type shit

[flint sable]

theres actually been like 10+ proposed but basically none are universally recognized

[silver steeple]

Wild things happen when you have a range spanning 3 continents lol

[flint sable]

I would say if they were still alive with similar ranges we would probably have like 3

[left spear]

Humans also have a lot in that matter

[flint sable]

european/west asia, siberian, and north american

[vital grove]

we currently have a dozen or more brown bear subspecies id say atleast 6 or more with the size of its range and differences in populations

[silver steeple]

Eh

Mammoths were pretty migratory

We have a handful of distinct populations but they're all pretty far from each other

We don't really even have modern elephant sub sp because of that

[vital grove]

but a giant with a mutation would probably have similar issues to modern giants, like great danes or even the human ones if it made it to adulthood its most likely a viable specimen that represents atleast a portion of the population

[silver steeple]

I mean people can get huge even without gigantism

[left spear]

Tbh i doubt that 10t specimen was very healthy

[silver steeple]

My gf's uncle is 7'2

[left spear]

Long term atleast

[silver steeple]

He was just fine

Lived pretty long

Til he got stuck in a large mudhole

[vital grove]

i know im dutch but anyone above a certain size will have issues, which in the wild would be lethal

[silver steeple]

I mean yeah but usually gigantism has a lot more issues than just being large

Anyway we've blown way off topic

[vital grove]

which is why if we have specimens of that size they likely wouldnt have made it to that size if not within the limit of the species

[silver steeple]

Point is, Wrangel Island mammoths are, for all practical purposes, already represented in the game

[vital grove]

so a 2.5m human isnt a valid argument

[silver steeple]

Trying to shoehorn them into something doesn't make sense

[vital grove]

if im wrong im wrong but i didnt mean to shoehorn them they were supposed to be an easy extra in the dlc idea

[flint sable]

actually related to that im gonna ask a question about them in #science-chat

[burnt shore]

I cant with The Mineral

[slow shoal]

humble suggestion: when/if Ceratosaurus gets added, can we have a skin with rounded horns

[rigid spindle]

Botm cerato spotted

[short rover]

I approve of horn variation on all 3 skins

Spiky skin with some osteoderms down the back, more chill skin with rounder horns, keratinized skin

[neon blade]

Yeah, those lions would be running for their lives if they saw that thing. The ceratosaurus would have a field day!

[dull prism]

You’d need a lot

But cera isn’t that huge

[slow shoal]

also thin as a board

but idc about animal v animal stuff

[shy vale]

what about postosuchus with teratosaurus alt?

[vital grove]

would be a nice addition to but i take it you mean it as a replacement and smok was quite unique. its skull has a lot of similarities to herrerasaurus.

i changed the wrangel mammoth to mammuthus exilis

[autumn plover]

Ceratosaurus cannot stop being a punching bag

[vital grove]

madagascar dlc idea, C spelea could have a brown and a red skin since natives talk about a larger red fossa. its the size of a small cougar so it should work in exhibits

[left spear]

Very solid

[warm ice]

Mans managed to make a Madagascar dlc without Majungasaurus, Masiakasaurus, or Beelzebufo
Impressive

[sharp sable]

tho majunga also 'd be nice as an abelisaurid

[vital grove]

i felt like majunga and beelzebufo would be very obvious pics that will likely make it into the game on their own. masiaka is a certified banger though. and i wanted it to be about the ecosystem there before humans arrived

[sharp sable]

wouldn't masiaka be in a viv tho?

no wait its closer to coelophysis in size so no nvm

[vital grove]

yeah it should be just big enough for an exhibit

[peak hazel]

Madagascar dlc without Majun is crazy

[cosmic cosmos]

Osteoderms will be on all skins, since we know Ceratosaurus had them

[amber field]

We need some small Placoderms

[burnt gate]

are these the results

[shell sonnet]

Some of them

You'll have to wait for the rest tomorrow

[vital grove]

why do so many people just want x theropod. there are so many more options than just another theropod

[mint creek]

because theropods are cool

[vital grove]

idk to me it just feels like little kids going: ooooooh big teeth t rex coooool. theres a major lack of synapsids and mammals. or even birds which are technically theropods but yeah

[mint creek]

Yeah that is a big part of it

and that's how the average person who is vaguely into dinosaurs thinks

feels like you answered your own question

I see this leaves Amargasaurus open for third most popular dinosaur

Postosuchus winning most wanted non-dinosaur mesozoic is the least surprising thing ever

Gonna take a wild guess that Megatherium beat Deinotherium for number 1 mammal

[left spear]

All of the theropods here are perfectly valid

The iffiest one is sucho bit even then it's a perfectly valid choice for a DLC animal

[feral cedar]

Theropods are the longest lasting clade of dinosaurs and were present throughout the Mesozoic. They are the single most diverse clade, and we’re still missing some groups. Almost every theropod in that image is a good inclusion as well, with the exception of Suchomimus. Otherwise they all offer something new to the table

[shell sonnet]

Ornithomimus is a bit redundant depending how important you think size is. But it's not a bad list; the problem is more what it doesn't include.

[vital grove]

after the confirmed theropods are there i just hope they shift the focus to other groups a bit more other reptiles and archosaurs, mammals, birds, cynodonts, synapsids

[feral cedar]

The confirmed theropods don’t cover what’s missing

[vital grove]

whats missing is everything thats not a dinosaur

[feral cedar]

Considering allo, bary, carno, and utah are all confirmed, I’d argue we still could use some more theropods of selective clades

[vital grove]

we can but less focus on just dinosaurs would be nice id love to see masiakasaurus or udanoceratops in the game

[feral cedar]

Ceratosaurus, a second abelisaur, Elaphrosaurus my beloved, therizinosaurs, non-oviraptorid oviraptorosaurs, T. rex can’t be the ONLY tyrannosauroid…

[fresh ember]

Deinonychus...

[shell sonnet]

Herreasaurus

[feral cedar]

Not a theropod ☝️🤓

[feral cedar]

YES Deinonychus, I need it

[fresh ember]

Either way, it's not like they're gonna make entire clades top priority.

There's obviously gonna be DLCs and updates focusing on non-dinosaurs, so I find it a non-issue.

[shell sonnet]

I'm not saying I don't disagree that non-dinos are poorly represented in the game

[vital grove]

we also have tarbo

[fresh ember]

Alts don't count.

Penguin's talking about the likes of Albertosaurus, Guanlong and Yutyrannus.

[vital grove]

guanlong would be cool

[feral cedar]

Realistically there’s a LOT of tyrannosauroids I’d want but even then I think Guanlong, Yutyrannus, Albertosaurus, and a hopeful Juratyrant would be a great roster

[shell sonnet]

At the moment, I'd take either Albert or Yutyrannus, and then wait for the rest after other categories get more reps.

[feral cedar]

Also before anyone says anything, I didn’t include megaraptorans because their tyrannosaurian affinities are iffy so I don’t count them for tyrannosauroid diversity

[feral cedar]

https://tenor.com/view/the-road-to-el-dorado-both-both-is-good-gif-8304204

[mint creek]

Yuty my goat

[static flame]

gorgosaurus would also be an obvious alt for albertosaurus

[quick ore]

what are you talking about the malagasy people refer to the larger fossa species as being all black

also having 0 mesozoic rep is crazy

[shell sonnet]

Just change the name to Recently Extinct Madagascar and it's fine.

[cosmic cosmos]

"People whose tastes don't align with mine are children"
10/10 take

[vital grove]

its more that we have 40+ dinosaurs right now and no synapsids for example

sorry

oh no nvm diictodon isnt a synapsid

[cosmic cosmos]

For sure we can use more non-dinos, but that's just a petty and insulting way of communicating that want

[vital grove]

i specifically meant dinosaurs that are basically just another version of what we have already

[tough marsh]

It is

[cosmic cosmos]

Honestly kicking myself for forgetting paleophis, @shell sonnet can u swap mosas vote from me for the snek? All good if not

Clown me if it was already on the list

[shell sonnet]

I don't know which vote is yours, you'll have to edit it yourself.

[cosmic cosmos]

Alr

[shell sonnet]

https://docs.google.com/forms/d/e/1FAIpQLSeEaCjefDpH8edx3Y-aKESFRT7rIXZPyN4dQ4YMVWwTsx1UWg/viewform?usp=header

[vital grove]

oh sorry i confused it with cynodonts and then treated those as their own thing my mistake

but i never meant there shouldnt be more theropods things like cryolophosaurus, guanlong, masiakasaurus or a megaraptoran would definetely be nice additions. oh and therizinosaurus of course

[cosmic cosmos]

Fixed :]

[plush nacelle]

You read these numbers wrong. Theropods are high on dinosaur wishlist

While mammals and paleozoic animals have different one

If anything it means so many people want theropods over sauropods and ornithischians

[shell sonnet]

Keep in mind, that image is of the old post-ea ideas

[eager thunder]

40+ animals really

[shell sonnet]

I'd just thought I'd share a teaser

Okay, here's a second: these are the top 13 dinosaurs by clade

8 Theropods
2 Sauropods
2 Thypereons
1 Marginaocephillia

[open heron]

why're you listing 13 specifically?

[shell sonnet]

Because that category had 13 slots

[open heron]

ah

[plush nacelle]

Oh so pachy, amarga, diplo, miragaia

And um

[shell sonnet]

I can neither confirm nor deny

[open heron]

what's the like.... top 25? (by class still, not individual animals)

[shell sonnet]

No Ornithopods

[plush nacelle]

Kentrosaurus

[mint creek]

My threat still stand pineapple

[shy vale]

i would suggest entelognathus

or materpiscis

[desert flame]

Most of the popular theropods will probably be added.
But if I had to suggest something, my favourites would be Halskaraptor, Herrerasaurus, Therizinosaurus and Concavenator.

However, the truth is that there are many other animals I want, not just theropods lol.

[shy vale]

in terms of therapods, there definitely should be therizinosaurs, but i also felt that the lack of noasaurs on the list is a major omission

after that, i would say that caenagnathids should also be something to add

oh, and megaraptorans and unenlagiines

i think that would cover the main (non-avian) therapod clades?

so i would choose from that list therizinosaurus, gigantoraptor, and austroraptor

for noasaurs, i would prefer to have at least 2

in terms of ornithiscians, i would want dacenturus (with miragaia/"alcovasaurus" [because some recent studies argue that it's a species of miragaia]) alts

also a parankylosaur

[vital grove]

halska would be great, the others i think we will probably get at some point

[burnt shore]

For stegosaurians, I would like Tuojiangosaurus, Hesperosaurs, Kentrosaurus, and Gigantspinosaurus

[shy vale]

that seems quite a lot though

though i would want kentrosaurus and one of the chinese stegosaurs

[median relic]

thescelosaurids

thescelosaurus is cool enough to come back + orodromines are cool

which one you want is up to you but I pick oryctodromeus

[wintry fulcrum]

Ceratosaurus nasicornis

Should

Be

Back

[median relic]

I thought ceratosaurus was already confirmed

but idk

[quick ore]

could Thescelo and Ory be alts?

[median relic]

oh nahhh

[quick ore]

how come

[median relic]

thescelosaurus is a lot more robust

and probably didn't burrow

[quick ore]

are we sure it didnt burrow

like

[median relic]

they're whole separate subfamilies

[quick ore]

isnt it more likely they all burrowed

oh ok

[median relic]

tmk derived thescelosaurines like thescelosaurus started to trend away from burrowing

while orodromines specialized in it

[quick ore]

ah

[median relic]

particularly oryctodromeus I think because it has more robust arms?

thescelosaurus also has a few different species you can pull from for its own alts

[quick ore]

honestly I would go with Thescelo since it doesn't have a popular depiction in a dinosaur game rn and its spurs could make for cool sparring behavior animations

[wintry fulcrum]

Its in unknown area

[median relic]

I mean I think they could coexist

oryctodromeus is a swift burrower and thesc is a bit bigger and chunkier

[wintry fulcrum]

Isnt thescelosauris scrapped?

[median relic]

it was but I'm saying it should be brought back

[wintry fulcrum]

I mean it was cool animal

[median relic]

because since it got scrapped it was found to have rooster like spurs on its arms

which is unique

[wintry fulcrum]

I'm advocate for more well known genera though

[median relic]

but there is no more well known animal with that-

[wintry fulcrum]

Nothing against unique animals

Or simply newly discowered ones

[median relic]

it's what makes thesc cool

they also have weird armored ribs for some reason

[quick ore]

I love Thescelosaurus because it's basically like a maastrichtian tapir. Animal that looks like it belongs to a much earlier time period just vibing with a ton of more derived species

[wintry fulcrum]

But newly discovered are prone to changes since they need more research

[median relic]

in general it points to thesc being some little brawler

which is cool

[median relic]

speaking of tapirs

I have seen it suggested to be mildly aquatic but can't be sure

something about how robust it is, letting it forage like a capybara, and the fact that its leg proportions suggest it was not good at running

[wintry fulcrum]

Thescelosaurus is known for being burrying animal, right?

[median relic]

no

it's not

[wintry fulcrum]

Idk for what dinosaur i find it out though

I know it was some smaller wierd ornithopod

[median relic]

also

inostrancevia with rubidgea alt

uh oh

[tough marsh]

I’m so sorrry

[median relic]

yeah they're prob too different anatomically 💔

but they're so cool

[tough marsh]

Yep also other ends of the tree it would be like making allo a Rex alt

[median relic]

and I wish there was more art made of rubidgea I feel like all its spotlight gets stolen by ino

[tough marsh]

I really find it funny that Ino is directly after Rubidgea dissapears from the record in the Karoo

[tough marsh]

Very cool guy it has the weird jaw boss that a certain large Biarmosuchian has

It and Dinogorgon I could see as being Alts

[median relic]

wtf

[tough marsh]

What’s confusing

[vital grove]

idk if you can still change this without messing up the results but a small aquarium section like the vivariums wouldve been nice for stuff like anomalocaris, pambdelurion or megapiranha

[shell sonnet]

Technically, the lagoon section is where those animals should go.

I've considered it though.

[vital grove]

i didnt include them since i assumed it to be exhibit sized animals

otherwise id change half

[shell sonnet]

You still can change it

[vital grove]

i did

[median relic]

I mean that's just surprising

[tough marsh]

heres the most up to date phylogeny

[shell sonnet]

All big theropods look alike

[mint creek]

Every theropod should be moved back into the genus Megalosaurus

[left spear]

Except Nanotyrannus, for it's too small to be considered the same genus

[mint creek]

No, it's just a juvenile Megalosaurus Rex

[alpine thicket]

All species should be lumped into one

all of them

every single one

[mint creek]

We can call it Luca

[vital grove]

desmostylus anyone?

[median relic]

this reconstruction makes it look like the living embodiment of a fart sound

[eager thunder]

He’s trying his best be nice to him

[eager thunder]

I love my creature shaped creatures

[vital grove]

thalassocnus cant be forgotten either

[vital grove]

when will you anounce the results

[shell sonnet]

Once a month in conjunction with the devlogs

[vast berry]

We need Deinonychus ASAP

[slender tangle]

I should make a cenozoic amphibious mammal pack

[outer crater]

ye

[slender tangle]

Let's see uuuuuuh

Exbibit:
-Pezosiren (plants)
-Desmostylus (plants)
-Thalassocnus (plants)
-Moeritherium (plants)
-Pontolis (meat/fish)
-Enhydriodon (meat/fish)

Vivarium:
-Obdurodon (fish/insects)
-Apterodon (fish/meat)

[vast berry]

Deinonychus changed the way we see dinosaurs.

Before it was discovered, all dinosaurs were assumed to be big, lumbering beasts

[shy vale]

also it was around the same time as acrocanthosaurus

and iirc there were plans to put in some cloverly species?

[eager thunder]

Didn’t the devs specifically say that Utahraptor replaced deinonychus in EA at least?

[short rover]

Years ago yes

But we’ll be out of ea in like 3 updates anyways lol

[wary nacelle]

It’s very important to me that we get Kraytdraco spectatus

[eager thunder]

. . . Does it, move?

[wary nacelle]

Yes it is one, not only covered in rows of teeth, but two, to eat, would retract the top of itself inwards to suck anything in

[eager thunder]

It’s like a living video game enemy

Up in down

[wary nacelle]

Horribly cropped but uhh basically this

The hole in the center is the top

[eager thunder]

Horrible I like it

[wary nacelle]

Betterly cropped

[eager thunder]

I could see this in a large vertical Vivarium

[wary nacelle]

Cambrian vivarium

Aquarium vivarium

[eager thunder]

I mean assuming it only even moves up in down

[desert flame]

This is the sloth I want next after the Megatherium and Eremotherium.
It might be difficult to get one in an amphibious vivarium, though.

[sharp sable]

We should add brachiosaurus brantai

It's such nice species

[serene forge]

if stego is in the game, will campatosarus be in it aswell?

[short rover]

No

[left spear]

Never

[eager thunder]

We hate campatosarus

[slim flare]

But Camptosaurus…

He’s pretty cool

[shell sonnet]

Campto is great; it adds a nice herbivore in between Dryo and Steg for size

amongst other things

[alpine thicket]

I actually do like Camptosaurus, I dunno if we'd get it but it's neat in terms of divesity for its formation.

[lean hound]

A good filler animal

[shell sonnet]

Yeah, good addition for a Morrison pack, if they ever made one.

[alpine thicket]

Camptosaurus is neat in the whole like it kind of... makes people realize Morrison wasn't just sauropods and Stegosaurus for herbivores.
Obviously like by now we know there was way more then that, but for someone kind of with surface level dinosaur knowledge.

[shell sonnet]

People forget that Campto used to be one of the more commonly depicted dinos; it's on Yale's Age of Reptiles mural (if too small).

[shy vale]

camptosaurus with draconyx alt?

actually a morrison/lourinha 2-pack (and maybe add tendaguru for a 3-pack) could be a cool dlc idea

[shell sonnet]

Are they even closely related enough? I'm not sure if Campto has any good alts.

[shy vale]

they're both basal ankylopollexians?

[shell sonnet]

You could probably combine Morrison and Lourinha because they do have similar animals, but Tendaguru's main draws (Kentro, Elaphro) don't really work as alts for the others.

[shy vale]

fair enough

[shell sonnet]

Wiki doesn't have Draconyx as one.

[limber needle]

campto and ornitholeses would basically finish the morrison (once we get allo and stego

[shy vale]

fair enough

[shell sonnet]

And Dippy and Cerato

[shy vale]

what about enigmacursor?

(because the whole question of nanosaurus/drinker/othnielia is controversial)

[limber needle]

it might be the first ever depiction of that in a video game, good idea

[shell sonnet]

Be easier if we knew what was up with Nanosaurus

[shy vale]

yeah that's why i suggested enigmacursor

[limber needle]

btw what do yall think of feathered campto

[shell sonnet]

Hard to tell when it hasn't been workshopped into a model

[alpine thicket]

Personally not what I'd prefer for it.

[limber needle]

it would make an otherwise fairly boring dino more intresting, thats my thought process

[alpine thicket]

Campto can look interesting by virtue of good color patterning and a good model, honestly.

[shell sonnet]

Yeah, the brown coloring on the above image doesn't do it much favors

[limber needle]

some small feathers around the arms, shoulders and head never hurt anyone ig

another feathered campto i found

[shell sonnet]

That's a turkey

[limber needle]

better pic

[slim flare]

🦃

[limber needle]

https://tenor.com/view/fentcord-true-coyote-gif-2599436844608872721

[slim flare]

Ornitholestes
Ceratosaurus
Diplodocus
Camptosaurus
Ankylosaur if generous

[limber needle]

we need some nodos

[shell sonnet]

Maybe Alcova as an alt of Mira

[slim flare]

Yeah but that’s a separate thing

[shy vale]

aside from edmontonia i would've added a denversaurus alt

[limber needle]

mymoora?

[slim flare]

Gargoyleosaurus sounds cooler

Idk if there’s an actual reason to choose one over the other

[limber needle]

mymoora sounds cuter

the little (big) guy

the dino name spectrum is real

[shy vale]

if the morrison alvarezsaur turns out to be legitimate and actually gets described, i would add that over ornitholestes

[lean hound]

Do they kinda look the same? I can’t remember

[limber needle]

orni has more recognition

[shy vale]

yeah i know but i really don't get the ornitholestes hype

[lean hound]

It’s just a nice little

[shell sonnet]

It's a classic small theropod

[lean hound]

thing

[slim flare]

Its Mymoorapelta

[shy vale]

like i actually would've had stokesosaurus/tanycolagreus over it imho

because at least stokesosaurus was like an early tyrannosauroid

[slim flare]

Probable basal Oviraptorosaur

[shell sonnet]

Rather get Guanlong then

[slim flare]

Guanlong and Ornitholestes

[limber needle]

that damn google ai truncating the name!!!!!

never trust gen AI with dinosaurs (or anything for that matter)

[slim flare]

Sounds like your fault for trusting it

[shell sonnet]

We do have more of Goyle including a full skull

[slim flare]

Gargoyleosaurus it is!

[shy vale]

shishugou dinosaurs that should get in:
-guanlong
-limusaurus
-yinlong
-mamenchisaurus

[limber needle]

if only we could disable it

[shy vale]

also i would have sinraptor (as alt for yangchunanosaurus)

[slim flare]

How many fucking times do we have to teach you this lesson old man

[shell sonnet]

Missing Monolopho (technically)

[shy vale]

yeah i know but that was from a lower layer than the others (also i would've wanted to put in one of the potential basal alvarezsaurs)

(i would've chosen aorun out of them)

[shell sonnet]

that's what the technically is for

[shy vale]

fair enough

but seriously, like china ~160 million years ago has a crapton of stuff

[shell sonnet]

We have none of it in the game

Besides Yi

[river perch]

thats a dragon if ive ever seen one

[shy vale]

which is a shame especially since it's one of the few areas where there's quite a bit of middle jurassic material

[lean hound]

Some Jurassic china stuff would be amazing

[eager thunder]

Gaunlong my beloved

[shy vale]

we should also add more triassic stuff in general

triassic argentina and brazil is a big one

plus triassic europe

[shell sonnet]

Triassic South Africa

[shy vale]

yeah that too

triassic china doesn't really have dinosaur material, but there's a ton of marine stuff like atopodentatus

[shell sonnet]

Triassic China has Lotosaurus and Shringasaurus, that makes up for the lack of dinos

[shy vale]

shringasaurus is from india

but lotosaurus is from china, yes

[shell sonnet]

You're right, I don't know why I thought it was from China.

[eager thunder]

https://encrypted-tbn0.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcRJw4smziTzJ-qBAUlf_HKYGnrj1aAryMsJP1bhA-IUYPQZ-MSI6JfjycBxSOyjfscfBWBIuCUJvAPIba9_Ss6rgm6NizvmxdHUxFvC98xm&s=10 love this weirdo

[shy vale]

actually speaking of india i think shringasaurus and colossosuchus could be good adds

the latter is a giant phytosaur

and of course, for pterosaurs there are like a ton of options

of which brazil would be a major location

[river perch]

shingrasaurus has such an appealing shape

nature with the banger creature design as per usual

[lean hound]

A shringasaurus in pk’s style would go so hard

[dull aurora]

syrian camel?

[civic terrace]

https://tenor.com/view/jack-nicholson-jack-nicholson-yes-yes-nod-head-nod-gif-17444176260167585294

[vital grove]

it can easily be exhibit and if we get crocs to at some point thats very reasonable

why is barely anyone here ever mentioning ornimegalonyx its big enough to be exhibit

[left spear]

That's oversized

But It could be either tbh

Depends on if you want It to climb or not

[grand thunder]

Syrian Camel petting zoo

[eager thunder]

Did that thing fly?

Apparently barely

[burnt shore]

Do we have fossils of the Syrian Camel?

[dull aurora]

Imagine it being like one of those giraffe petting zoos where you can feed them

[grand thunder]

Maybe even camel ride around the zoo

[eager thunder]

I feel like any attraction that would let you physically touch or interact with a animal in this zoo particularly would be incredibly irresponsible

Outside feeding in such

[eager thunder]

You know I check the trello map again and realized something

In U18 one carnivore species is coming [prolly ambo] and in U19 3 carnivores are coming

In U19 it’s safe to assume I think that those 3 are Carnotarus Utahraptor and Kelenken

Which probably means we won’t get something like cave hyenas or Hyenadon in ea

Unless I’m wrong somewhere

[cosmic cosmos]

Pachycrocuta or Dinocrocuta are far better than cave hyena because they are not subspecies of a still extant species

[rose garden]

idk if aquatics are planned or not, like zoo seal level, but livyatan would be awesome af to see

[slim flare]

Steppe hyenas are not a subspecies

[plush nacelle]

Even if it was I would still pick cave hyena

[eager thunder]

I like cave hyenas because big hyena is cool

Also rounds out the cave trilogy

[plush nacelle]

Like no one is trying to pick random extinct equid just for sake to be different genus than wild horse we are going to get

[plush nacelle]

It is known we are getting 3 more mammals in EA

And with all clues we have it appears these are ambulocetus, megatherium and doedicurus

[dull prism]

That opinion is so bad it deserves being tarred and feathered

[eager thunder]

We being silly

[eager thunder]

Kinda selfishly want more

[dull prism]

3 mammal species or genera?

Cuz if two of them are sloths then that’s a bit disappointing

Even though we all love them

[cosmic cosmos]

if we get more mammals in EA id want to see some aussie megafauna

[dull prism]

Which ones are you thinking?

[plush nacelle]

I just mentioned them

[dull prism]

This seems most likely, although an eremotherium alt would be very cool

[plush nacelle]

Eremotherium cant be alt

[cosmic cosmos]

isnt eremo to different to be an alt?

[dull prism]

Talking about Aussie mammals

[dull prism]

Is it really?

I didn’t realize

I’m guessing it’s the head shape?

[cosmic cosmos]

diprotodon, procoptodon, thylacoleo

[dull prism]

Could they possibly be part of an Aussie dlc?

[cosmic cosmos]

along with Brontornis/Genyornis, Varanus priscus and Meiolania would be peak

and Tiliqua frangens in viv

[median relic]

jaekelopterus as an aquarium

[vital grove]

it was a strong runner so id like to see that, basically a terror bird owl. idk about oversized everything says 1.1m and feathers can make a bird look huge

[lean hound]

Ambulo is the piscivore if the blurred roadmap predictions are correct

[sharp sable]

Tedanguru could bring kentro, girraffa (brachi alt genera), elaphro (?)

[vital grove]

australia dlc idea didnt include australovenator because its very fragmentary, and idk what specific megaraptoran we should get

also i think temnospondyls of this size should be treated the same way you would a croc so for an exhibit

[cosmic cosmos]

a seperate mesozoic and cenozoic pack would be the way I would go about things (ignoring aquatics and fliers)

[cosmic cosmos]

agreed

[cosmic cosmos]

also, for a megaraptoran Australovenator is pretty decent material wise, and koolasuchus is far worse as well

both should be included though

[vital grove]

genuinely thought it had more known material. we do need a megaraptoran but i dont really have any opinion on which one

[cosmic cosmos]

Australovenator and Megaraptor with a Maip alt would be perfect imo

[shell sonnet]

Siderops is basically what you're asking for with Koolasuchus

[feral cedar]

I just might prefer Siderops for an Aussie pack

It’s similarly sized but it’s from the Early Jurassic, which brings more chronological diversity

Also, this point is subjective but better name lol

I prefer my -suchus fellas to be suchians, thank you very much

[dull aurora]

Syrian camel would still lowkey be cool

[cosmic cosmos]

being one of the last temnospondyls is part of the appeal of koolasuchus, almost none are found past the jurassic

Siderops would for sure be a good alt though

[left spear]

Koola also has pretty good formation potential

iirc it's not technically found with the rest of Australian guys but i'm sure you can make It fit

And Mesozoic Australian rep which is always a treat

[open heron]

It really doesn't. The famous australian genera are mostly all spread between different areas.

[shell sonnet]

Koola is near where Leaelly is but it's not clear if they overlaped time wise.

[eager thunder]

Are we talking about koolasuchus?

[desert flame]

Vegavis, an Antarctic dinosaur, is suitable for an amphibious vivarium.

[vital grove]

thank you you just finished my idea for an antarctica pack

[plush nacelle]

This is modern understanding

Whats interesting it appears to have normal leg lenght for an owl, which I suppose people used to exaggerate due to not being used to how long these are in living species to begin with

[vital grove]

its still as tall as leaellynasaura

[vital grove]

its body shape would be comparable to a burrowing owl yes, still an amazing animal for the game though

[desert flame]

Cryolophosaurus would be a must-have for the Antarctic pack.

[vital grove]

yeah i put it in there already

probably one of the coolest theropods, can only think of a couple that would even match its strangeness, concavenator or spinosaurus and noasaurs but not a lot else

[desert flame]

true

[vital grove]

antarctica dlc idea

[quick ore]

I feel like you would do better making a Polar-themed pack

[shell sonnet]

And also much smaller; Leaelly has the big tail

[vital grove]

location wise might work. if you mean just polar as in animals that live in conditions similar to modern polar conditions i dont think it will work with cryolophosaurus

[quick ore]

i mean location yeah

[vital grove]

yeah but its tall enough and id love to see it actually run

then it becomes pretty much the same discussion as where the dodo or auk belongs so whatever the devs do with it is fine i guess

[shell sonnet]

The Great Auk doesn't really work without a vivarium or a lagoon system; diving is too important for it.

[vital grove]

the lagoon yes 100% but i expect to get crocs at some point and it was in the recently extinct dlc plans so id say its good

[shell sonnet]

So was the Steller's Sea Cow; Crocs aren't the same because they aren't as awkward on land as penguin like animals are and don't need diving as much. They can swim on the surface just fine and it doesn't feel like something is missing

as much

[rose garden]

if we get lagoons and both great auk and livyata I NEED a feeding animation

[silver steeple]

They can but it would be kinda strange to never see a croc go under

[vital grove]

idk crocs spend considerable amounts of time underwater its how they hunt

[silver steeple]

They spend at least half as much time on the bottom as they do floating

[vital grove]

btw will you announce the current results of the most wanted animals today since we got the new devlog. id like to see a top 10 of every group

[shell sonnet]

I already did but

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1d9YXjOJj8AGqDq2MNTm67C66HxuTyiSRmHyT8EYSy_U/edit?usp=sharing

[silver steeple]

I wouldn't mind them adding Crocs before diving is finished, but imo they would feel a little bit incomplete without it

[shell sonnet]

Given Mau's said diving isn't come, I'd say one might have to get used to it

[silver steeple]

When did he say it wasn't coming

Last I heard it just wasn't a major priority but they'd work on it in the background as time went on

[silver steeple]

I see

Unfortunate

These things can change but yeah I'm not holding my breath

[vital grove]

eryhtrosuchus mentioned lets goooo

[slim flare]

Ha, get it?

Holding breath? Underwater stuff?

[lean hound]

https://tenor.com/view/fairysoobs-spongebob-reaction-oh-brother-this-guy-stinks-gif-25698553

[shy vale]

replace megaraptor with joaquinraptor

[slim flare]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hesperotestudo

[silver steeple]

Ngl I think this is probably my favorite pick for a giant tortoise (not counting RE)

Megalochelys is like the only competitor for that niche imo

[left spear]

Meiolania in shambles

[silver steeple]

I guess I think of Meio differently

Doesn't help that the large aussie sp is unnamed

[slim flare]

Not a tortoise smh

[slim flare]

Sir, we have a dubious species and an unnamed Psittacosaurus

[silver steeple]

P. sp is like a totally different thing

[quick ore]

not a tortoise nor even a turtle lol

[toxic oriole]

Yet Psittacosaurus has like a TON OF SPECIES members

[silver steeple]

Its by far the most complete taco specimen we have

[shell sonnet]

The exception that proves the rule

[silver steeple]

The only reason its not identifiable is because almost all described differences in psittacosaurus species rely on skull differences

Which is the one part of the specimen that's "poorly" perserved

VS the wyandotte meiolania which is like 3 bones or whatever

[plush nacelle]

Ngl, I expected island dwelling species to be bigger

[slim flare]

I mean, I would definitely consider it a turtle

[plush nacelle]

Now I can cope basilemys is big enough to be exhibit animal

[silver steeple]

Technically they're stem turtles

But yeah close enough to just be called turtles imo

[slim flare]

If they had lived a thousand years longer, they’d definitely be considered the most basal turtles

[silver steeple]

Mhm

[slim flare]

Honestly, why not both? They’re not actually similar

[silver steeple]

Fair

I just know a lot of people wouldn't want more than one big tortoise taking up slots

[slim flare]

Megalo is way bigger and has more pillar-like legs, from a different period and continent, and I believe biome(s)

[quick ore]

you can say that about anything

[slim flare]

No you cannot

[hot fox]

To be honest, I would really like to see mcraeensis as a skin/variation for Tyrannosaurus Rex.

[shell sonnet]

Rex already has four skins, and mcraeensis is a questionable taxon, so no

[silver steeple]

Above all else, T Mac just doesn't add anything that Tarbo doesn't

[eager thunder]

Looks too slender imo

[toxic oriole]

Okay correct me if I'm wrong, but I heard something about the artist here being a bad guy?
I might be misremembering things

[shy vale]

would've preferred zhuchengtyrannus as an alt rather than tyrannosaurus mcraeensis

actually is it possible to do daspletosaurus as an alt or should that be its own separate thing?

[alpine thicket]

Daspletosaurus would be a separate thing if ever added.

[lean hound]

Garbage vs trash (Roster wise, no shade on T.mcraeensis 🙏 )

[shy vale]

but zhuchengtyrannus goes well with a shantungosaurus alt for edmontosaurus

[lean hound]

zhucheng is a nothingburger afaik

[slim flare]

Why?

[left spear]

It's a nice alt in concept

In concept

In practice its terrible since it's like 3 bones

[autumn plover]

T.mcraensis is really just known from a jawbone and I think a lacrimal? Based off of what we have even if there are skeletal differences, once you put skin and muscle over the bones it would probably look identical to T.rex anyway

[alpine thicket]

It also might not be real.

The latest stance on it is definitely leaning towards it actually being rex again.

[hollow flower]

What are the chances of Sauropelta getting added considering it got axed back in the day

[polar mist]

We should be in the game... As hominids or some large primate. Not just as visitors XD

I´ll call Lucy to my first female primate... Jeje

[slim flare]

High

[warm ice]

Same thing happened with bronto and that is currently in the game

At least if we’re talking about validity here

[cosmic cosmos]

no, sauropelta (alongside tenontosaurus and deinonychus) were all planned for early access before being scrapped

the genus is still perfectly valid

[warm ice]

Ah I see
I misunderstood

I wonder if we’ll get borealopelta as well

Cus like

We have one of the most accurate pictures of it of all ankylosaurus

[trail moth]

i could see borealo happening though maybe as an alt for like edmontonia

[vital grove]

do you all think arthropleura should be vivarium or exhibit. i feel like it would move to much for viarium and is more than big enough to be exhibit

[shell sonnet]

it's going to be viviarium

for similar reasons as Titanaboa

[left spear]

Arthro is less viv-bound that snakes

But i could see it going either way

[proper raven]

Making it non-viv means itd get an ontogenic, swimming, and combat implementation

[toxic oriole]

The fact its got its colors preserved as well...

That won't do it favors as its own thing

So it could just be the alt of some other nodosaurid ankylosaur

since it'd most likely just be ONE skin and ONE skin only

[burnt gate]

@shell sonnet results?

Has Albertosaurus gotten any?

[cosmic cosmos]

@burnt gate

[burnt gate]

THERES NO ALBERTOSAURUS

FUCK

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/971904116144095292/1298312105069514812/media-iv-text.gif

[cosmic cosmos]

its right there at 16th

[eager thunder]

Frankly I don’t see Artho really doing anything in a fight

Like it is just a big bug at the end of the day

That one pose they make it do in paleo art isn’t even something it could’ve likely done

Unless I’m wrong about that

[vital grove]

have you ever seen modern giant centipedes. i know it was a herbivore but those things can move like crazy

[left spear]

Sure but

It's a millipede

Considerably different mouth structure

Terrifying

[alpine thicket]

babby

[left spear]

Larvby

[burnt gate]

WWWW

[proper raven]

Modern giant millipedes also kinda move at their own pace at times

[left spear]

Arthropleura was most likely harmless

Using it's plates as defense

perhaps toxins to deal with larger animals

but it would have the same offensive capabilities as a tortoise, unless it crushes somewith it's not gonna do anything

and thats good, in nature not every animal is able to fight

As for ontogeny just start it at the adult's first mold

so it's still small and a bit pale

just say the larvae stayed in the nest

Locomotion would still be hard but i feel like the segmentation would facilitate it a lot compared to a continous animal like Titanoboa

[amber field]

I don't think there was anything strong enough to crash it

[chilly pagoda]

Non-avian dinosaurs species suggestions:
-Therizinosaurus cheloniformis
-Megaraptor namunhuaiquii
-Riojavenatrix lacustris
-Suchomimus tenerensis
-Sinraptor dongi
-Yangchuanosaurus shangyounensis
-Ceratosaurus nasicornis
-Ceratosaurus dentisulcatus
-Edmontonia longiceps
-Edmontonia rugosidens
-Pentaceratops sternbergii
-Centrosaurus apertus
-Anchiceratops ornatus
-Achelousaurus horneri
-Gigantspinosaurus sichuanensis
-Kentrosaurus aethiopicus
-Tuojiangosaurus multispinus
-Hesperosaurus mjosi
-Spinosaurus mirabilis
-Nanotyrannus lancensis
-Nanotyrannus lethaeus
-Shunosaurus lii
-Dicraeosaurus hansemanni
-Dicraeosaurus sattleri
-Pegomastax africana
-Ampelosaurus atacis
-Daspletosaurus torosus
-Daspletosaurus horneri
-Gastonia burgei
-Amargasaurus cazaui

Those are some of my examples of non-avian dinosaurs that I wish

At the moment, maybe later I'll do a part 2

[sharp sable]

IT gives you big Macs...

[shell sonnet]

Have you voted yethttps://docs.google.com/forms/d/e/1FAIpQLSeEaCjefDpH8edx3Y-aKESFRT7rIXZPyN4dQ4YMVWwTsx1UWg/viewform?usp=header

[chilly pagoda]

Oh, thanks

I'll vote right now

[desert flame]

If they add a Shivatherium, I'd like to see two skins inspired by giraffes and okapis.

Since it's a prehistoric giraffe, a giraffe skin would be a good fit.

[burnt shore]

Would like Stegouros and Euoplocephalus in the game

[eager thunder]

I like the first one he looks really silly :]

[left spear]

Also a parankylosaur which are always cool to have

[outer crater]

Arthropleura was a millipede, which are the super slow ones with tiny legs

https://tenor.com/view/millipede-crawling-gross-bugs-gross-pets-viralhog-gif-13848922

[alpine thicket]

Millipedes are friends.

technically centipedes are also friends given how much pest control a lot of species do but they don't look like it

[warm ice]

I’d love spicomellus in the game
Guarantee you, that silhouette is gonna be unique, impossible to mistake it with anything else in the roster

[rose garden]

Entelodonts would go HARDDD

[quick ore]

where tf are its lips

this literally looks like someone edited the WWB model

[rose garden]

doesn't need lips, is big bawsh

[quick ore]

it absolutely does need lips, there's no reason why it would lack lips and cheeks

[rose garden]

euhknow

I mean its called a hell pig for a reason ig

[quick ore]

that moniker is outdated

they weren't pigs at all

they're closer to hippos and whales

[median relic]

I mean it's still a frequently used name

they were still pig like in being omnivorous

[short rover]

They’re pigs in spirit

[rose garden]

irdc that its out dated, I just want them in the game, not that big a deal

poor thing just wants to be a pig, judging a poor lil big creature

[short rover]

Daeodon is def one of my most wanted animals

What

[eager thunder]

Cave hyenas and Dire wolves

[short rover]

Cave hyenas are a bit meh to me but I wouldn’t complain if they got in necessarily

[rose garden]

Daeodon and Ente would be tuff highkey

[quick ore]

Entelodon itself isn't necessary

[median relic]

daeodon with paraentelodon alt, archaeotherium, and andrewsarchus

[median relic]

this might be a bit much

[short rover]

A bit

I’m fine with one

[quick ore]

they're my most wanted extant genera in game aside from Megalania, Bos, and Equus

[short rover]

Preferably daeodon

[short rover]

Makes sense

[quick ore]

also an extinct Crocuta species would be neat

[rose garden]

and? I can still want it dawg

[toxic oriole]

We really do need some porkers eventually

(Pigs, or pig-like creatures)

[short rover]

She’s just voicing her opinions on it

Nobody’s policing what you want in the game

[rose garden]

I know but still

[median relic]

as for literal pigs
kubanochoerus, metridiochoerus, and megalochoerus are neat I guess

[quick ore]

im just stating that said species isn't really all it's cracked up to be besides having the name of the group attached, afaik it doesn't have good material either

[quick ore]

ty for adjusting the pronouns

[toxic oriole]

Barely any mammal has good material, and yet some are still in the game or something

Well, aside from CERTAIN ONES.

[quick ore]

my choice is Celebochoerus

[median relic]

oh yeah looks neat

[toxic oriole]

What the...

Why is your profile like this? I can't even see mutual friends n servers n other stuff + pronouns

I can tell if I were blocked it wouldn't show up like this

Ah well

Something about small prehistoric seals

to add

But uhhh, most of the small ones are early seals

[cinder token]

Very late to the party, but where is this from?

[median relic]

https://www.facts.app/

[toxic oriole]

A recently made website

I've already seen a few bits of criticism in this chat about it

Plateosaurus being undersized or something

For here I put both their Plateosaurus and Glacialisaurus here

I can see the difference quite fast

similarities as well

[short rover]

I appreciate the attempt and a lot of the models are pretty good

It gets the idea across to laymen decent enough imo even if some sizes are off

[feral cedar]

I'd love Stegouros and Euoplocephalus but ngl I think Euoplocephalus is the Torosaurus of ankylosaurs LOL

Euoplo would be nice for the game but not before getting nodosaurids, a Gobi ankylosaurine, and of course, parankylosaurs. It's just too similar to Ankylosaurus

[short rover]

I agree

At least one nodosaur and a paranky are priorities for me

[feral cedar]

I'm coping on getting Edmontonia, Polacanthus, and perhaps even Tarchia

[eager thunder]

https://tenor.com/view/bath-hyena-animal-cute-funny-gif-20628652

[outer moth]

Some of em even look like lint

[short rover]

I think we might be getting edmontonia in U19

[outer moth]

Tell me this doesn't look like an aggressive piece of dryer lint at a glance

[outer moth]

This is closer to how we depicti it now, fyi

[rose garden]

still hard af can't lie, just copied the first image I saw can't lie

[burnt shore]

Are they planning to add Paleozoic and cenozoic animals as well?

[short rover]

They have Dimetrodon last I checked

So yes

[autumn plank]

Since its the Year of the Horse Which of the species would you like to see on PK when the time comes if you guys like

[left spear]

Equus giganteus is invalid if not borderline mythical

[quick ore]

for the last time, Equus giganteus doesn't exist

[wary nacelle]

I would like Vegavis as I love Vegavis okay

Thank you

[median relic]

just say tarchia tbh

who could want saichania over tarchia

I guess there's pinacosaurus as well

[median relic]

how is every early horse but the most famous one (eohippus) on this

[burnt shore]

TBH, I chose Euoplocephalus because I watched Dinosaur King

[rigid spindle]

Looks good

[quick ore]

replace that synapsid with Adalatherium

[median relic]

chiniquodon looks so out of place lol

[tidal flame]

Improved plus Cenozoic pack on the way

[amber field]

Majunga is a must

[limber needle]

More ankylosaur diversity in general ngl

[limber needle]

We already got 3, an there may be a Permian exhibit confirmed

[vital grove]

should also have atleast 2 more lemurs

[vital grove]

this is good

[mint creek]

https://tenor.com/view/prehistoric-planet-prehistoric-planet-2-simosuchus-majungasaurus-gif-18398063811575578104

[desert flame]

I'd like to see Hyracotherium as a vivarium mammal.
Mesohippus would also be good for a full exhibit.
I like early horses.

[vital grove]

from the modern reconstructions i wouldnt compare it to either tbh

[left spear]

Well yeah not a good parallel either but it's closer

[desert flame]

PK's Daeodon will return with a more refined model...

[left spear]

One of the main things about centupedes is the fuckass huge stingers

Pedapalps or whatever they were called

[vital grove]

toxicognaths

yeah it doesnt have those

but i do think it could potentially bite

[left spear]

Aw

I was just about to type it

[vital grove]

thank you clints reptiles

[left spear]

I feel like you'd need to put your hand in it's mouth lol

...

Sus

[vital grove]

i love how lobster like its head looks

[left spear]

This feels extremely AI generated yet It doesn't at the same time

Weird feeling

[vital grove]

when they found out what its head looked like it became quite weird

[left spear]

No not the head

[desert flame]

If Arthropleura could have eaten small animals with its jaws, it would be herbivorous/insectivorous.

[left spear]

The envioroment (why a beach guh), the posture, how floaty It is, how It loses definition as It goes...

[vital grove]

it was probably a generalist scavenger tbh

[eager thunder]

https://youtu.be/Wv71wi6dQ8o?si=CTlBcP35oqkh70nh this in PK would rock

[short rover]

As a mod yea

I want the animals to have unique skins

[left spear]

I mean a pattern inspired in that would be fun

Maybe not for Utah since all the existing Utah skins are great but for Austro or Deinon

Maybe even Stenon

[short rover]

We don’t have any existing Utah skins yet

Besides a brownish one that we can see on the arm

[left spear]

We have the old concept art

I'm assuming most of those will stay similar

[short rover]

Yea but that’s not relevant anymore besides maybe some light inspiration

[left spear]

Obviously not a guarantee but they're quite good so i hope they don't change that

[left spear]

Eh some are basically 1:1s

Snowmelt dilo or Velo

Hopefully Yuty in the future

[short rover]

True

[left spear]

But yeah not a guarantee

[loud pelican]

Please Chalicotherium! We need my gorilla horse.

[eager thunder]

do we know any of them? I thought we just had the hand

[left spear]

Old concept art

Which usually atleast keeps one skin

Utahs are pretty good

December 2019

I imagine they'll keep atleast one like with dilo and Velo

Oh great Discord messed up the order

[lean hound]

I’m assuming it’s the one on the far right

The colours seem to match up decently

[left spear]

Could be

It's the best one by far

[neat grove]

Guys could prionosuchus be cool to add to the game or no?

[short rover]

Yes

[left spear]

No (Yes[No{Yes}])

[ancient ibex]

Axocroc? Crocolotl?

[eager thunder]

I hope they beef him up a bit, looks a bit skinny

[flint sable]

Mr. Wifdles

[eager thunder]

Are those axolotl things speculative

I can’t find anything about them definitely having it and I’m seeing either or in terms of interpretations

[short rover]

They’re speculative

And afaik unlikely

[vital grove]

bramatherium alt?

[eager thunder]

We need more giraffes in general

I approve

[vital grove]

sivatherium with 1 alt and discokeryx should be enough

there are some cool pronghorn relatives aswell though

[vital grove]

Kosmodraco if they ever add champsosaurus it could be a nice alt

[sharp dock]

strange lil creatur

[vital grove]

estimated lenght 3-4 meters so its huge its gigantic its not small😢

[trail moth]

choristoderes in general

would be really cool

[vital grove]

how about champsosaurus kosmodraco as an alt and Lazarussuchus, lazarussuchus for the amphibious vivarium its such a unique animal especially being from just 20 million ago

[trail moth]

i had lazarus in mind as well

due to being the last of the surprisingly long lasting lineage that choristoderes are

[vital grove]

yeah it has a giant fossil record gap from its relatives the only similar animal i can think of is chilesaurus

[outer moth]

Surprised they never made it to the modern day

[vital grove]

if they did it wouldve been a european tuatara

[trail moth]

i wonder what did choristoderes in to the point lazarussuchus was the last

[vital grove]

especially since the relatives are quite big

a small generalist lizard should do quite okay

guess the competition from modern lizards got to it

or climate change

if the population was small enough at the time and this happened idk about that myself just naming it

[trail moth]

it doesnt make sense but for some reason ive always wanted to see megalania with a skin based on argentine black and white tegus

[vital grove]

it cannot possibly have any alts since the komodo would be the second coolest monitor lizard but this a komodo skin and a orange outback skin could work

[outer moth]

I wanna see Megalania use a blue-laced monitor skin

[vital grove]

if you mean a blue monitor you mean the blue tree monitor

[trail moth]

i just like monitor lizards in general so i dont mind whatever megalania gets for skins

[outer moth]

Varanus varius

Lace monitor

[vital grove]

wanna see a truly blue monitor

[outer moth]

This baby coloration it hella nice

[vital grove]

if i was rich id have 2 of these

[trail moth]

i love how funny monitor lizards look when they stand sometimes

[vital grove]

its a really cool subgenus its not the only one with cool colours by far

yellow tree monitor and green tree monitor

golden spotted tree monitor

[trail moth]

honestly this and a skin for cerato with a nice shade of orange are the only skins id want

idk why but medium-large theropods with desert oranges are always something i like

[cosmic cosmos]

Having such vibrant skins on a terrestrial ambush predator feels ridiculous to me. Would rather see skins based on other, terrestrial monitors. Maybe even something completely original also.

[vital grove]

thats why i mentioned komodo and a orange australian sand skin

[shy vale]

albanerpentontids lasted even longer; they were present up to the early pleistocene

[vital grove]

lazarussuchus is specifically very far removed period wise from its relatives idk if this is also the case here. thats what makes the small guy so interesting

[shy vale]

fair enough

but i do think that albanerpetontids would be a good idea for a vivarium species

albanerpeton was like the only cenozoic genus (though that could be a wastebasket)

[vital grove]

i wish yaksha was big enough for the game tbh

not disagreeing with you on that one

[shy vale]

it's too small even for a vivarium?

[cosmic cosmos]

there are better monitors to choose from than both komodoensis and macraei

[vital grove]

macrei is not what i meant with orange its the blue one, i mentioned it to show the diversity of colour within monitors. if we are talking realistic skins 1 komodo dragon skin 2 orange outback skin 3 parentie 4 lace monitor

[cosmic cosmos]

i wasnt objecting to the orange skin

i find komodo dragon to be very uninspired and generic, and blue tree to be painfully unrealistic

[vital grove]

smallest currently is 30-40cm so i wish

[vital grove]

komodo is although its probably its closest relative and i only mentioned the blue tree monitor because blue monitors were mentioned it doesnt make sense for megalania in australia

[cosmic cosmos]

the closest relatives of V. priscus are V. varius or V. salvadorii, depending on the phylogeny you follow

[vital grove]

i remember there being a thing about the komodo possibly being a dwarf megalania with island dwarfism

[cosmic cosmos]

they actually existed in mainland Australia at the same time (based on fossil evidence)

most recent full phylogeny has savadorii and priscus as sister to each other

[vital grove]

salvadorii is definetely a good contender for a skin but komodiensis is to id like both tbh. i just wish a full skull or dna sample was available to place it correctly

but realistically the colour would be similar to modern australian monitors, orange....

[cosmic cosmos]

https://www.inaturalist.org/observations?order_by=votes&taxon_id=1671731&view=species

[desert flame]

Shape of the horns is very different, but the body shape can be reused, so it may be possible.

[slender tangle]

You know, with all of the species confirmed for the ea, and those on the post ea list, I'm surprised Troodon or another troodontid was never mentioned. Are they just too fragmentary to justify?

Whoops didn't mean to ping you

[shell sonnet]

It's validity is up for debate

That's an old post-ea list. Things have changed.

[ancient ibex]

The post-EA idea list also didn't have to be complete anyway

[left spear]

It almost definitely isn't

Assuming it's both dlc and free updates it's way too few species

[desert flame]

Do you think Rucervus schomburgki should be included in the Recently Extinct DLC?
It seems like an easy addition since there's a lot of information available and we can reuse the Megaloceros rig.

[left spear]

Uh

Like

[desert flame]

Honestly, the Megaloceros rig could be used on other prehistoric herbivores, including deer.

[left spear]

Sure ig? But there's a like solid 15 habitat RE's that are somewhat objectively better additions

[lean hound]

But

It's just a

deer

Like

Deer aren't bad, but a regular looking deer isn't really needed

[left spear]

That has appeal, but yeah there's lots better option

For 100% normal kingdom i'd rather get Pinta island tortoises

Or like

Mascarene parrots

[desert flame]

I agree that it's difficult to add extinct animals that look similar to modern animals...
The same can be said for the Caspian tiger and the Caribbean monk seal.

[shell sonnet]

A tiger is still a tiger, a deer is... well a deer.

(I'm not advocating for an extinct subspecies of tigers, just noting I could at least see the appeal)

[left spear]

Eh i'd argue Caribbean monk seal is a fairly good addition

Probably the second best aquatic mammal RE

If there ever were a RE part 2 with aquatics and fliers It should 100% be there

[shell sonnet]

Yeah it's not a bad choice for like the 2nd or third pack (depending on how big they are). It's really just a question how much normal kingdom you want in the game.

[plush nacelle]

More than one pack for RE sound ridiculous tbf

[left spear]

Not really

[plush nacelle]

Lets just say PK gonna get as much DLCs as PZ - 20

[left spear]

I doubt RE will have the 10 species

All of which are great choices for RE imo

+Potential vivs

[plush nacelle]

At some point u just realise post DLC content is finite and having recently extinct animals to be responsible for about 20% of all animal additions is silly

[left spear]

Debatable

And It would be 10%

[shell sonnet]

I mean, personally, I'd be fine it fit was just 5 %

[left spear]

10% of the DLC roster being REs sounds fine to me tbh

[shell sonnet]

(not counting vivariums)

[left spear]

It's not a need

But fine

[plush nacelle]

One pack with thylacine, moa, dodo and horse gonna do the trick already

[left spear]

Hell nah

[plush nacelle]

And maybe 1 or 2 vivariums

[left spear]

Aurochs, Bluebuck, Baiji, Haasts.

[shell sonnet]

I don't think aviary based animals are being considered here

[left spear]

Not counting the dozens of vivs that would be great additions aswell

[shell sonnet]

or aquatics

[left spear]

Even then counting vivs you could have 2 dlcs

4 habitats and 4 vivs per dlc

2 dlcs, 16 REs. Just enough to make a nice small RE park.

[desert flame]

Maybe we should include cows instead of horses.
Aurochs

[left spear]

Sounds nice to me

[shell sonnet]

The horse is basically confirmed

[left spear]

Without the basically

It very much is

[plush nacelle]

I personally expect aurochs to be free update animal hence bison

[left spear]

Nah

Bison would be the free one

[plush nacelle]

Both

[left spear]

REs as free would be kidna weird

[digital pendant]

aurochs is a great animal to cohabit with other mammals we got too tbh

[shell sonnet]

I don't think the Auroch would be a great alt with the other Bos'

[digital pendant]

oh nah

[shell sonnet]

They seem rather different

[digital pendant]

aurochs as an alt for bison makes no sense

[left spear]

Doubt we are getting 2 Bison let alone another bovine genus

[digital pendant]

you can have bison alts though