Community Species Suggestions

[feral cedar]

Daeodon is a two-in-one deal where we both get more artiodactyl rep AND we get another predatory mammal

[slender tangle]

Ye

[feral cedar]

But of course Daeodon should be more than happy to munch on fruits and stuff

Moeritherium, Ambulocetus, and Thalassocnus for semiaquatic mammals would be amazing, and we have reason to suspect ambulo is on its way

[slender tangle]

I know of ambulo's possible inclusion, but we need more imo

[feral cedar]

More semis? Definitely

Moeritherium and Thalassocnus would help cover that niche

[slender tangle]

Are desmostylians fully aquatic? I would've suggested them, but I feel they'd need a full aquarium

[tidal flame]

I feel some pinnipeds like allodesmus could spice up the roster

[slender tangle]

We also need megalania
I want beeg leezord

It would fit so well

[quick ore]

I would say that Megacerops would also be a good, necessary perissodactyl inclusion

[left spear]

I find this creature amusing

(Tyrannoroter heberti)

[limber needle]

yeah but what if we make it apply to deinocheirus tho

[plush nacelle]

I see no point

Deinocheirus is really big

And it would make baby worse

[limber needle]

but the babies look altricial, and it would add realism

arent they even modeled off of baby pelicans?

[plush nacelle]

Thats only inspiration

Even if it was for some reason altricial, baby model itself is way past this stage

[outer crater]

They're just goofy, not helpless

[steep carbon]

Bonapartenykus? For an exhibit Alvarezsauroid?

[eager thunder]

I’d like that

Funky fella

[hot fox]

Concavenator or Europejara (Europejara would be for vivariums)

[eager thunder]

Ok that thing isn’t fitting in a Viv

More likely for sinopterus but even then it might want more flight space

[hot fox]

Perhaps sinopterus

[eager thunder]

Maybe but I feel like it might want more space

[shy vale]

isn't megalosaurus middle jurassic?

also cetiosaurus

so middle jurassic has like "these are the beginnings of dinosauria" (not as a clade, but in terms of paleontological descriptions)

also regarding early jurassic, isn't dimorphodon early jurassic?

plus temnodontosaurus for a big ichthyosaur

[shell sonnet]

Megan in spirit already exists in Torvo g. for European Megalosaur. There isn't really enough difference between the two the generas that would make it a good addition, especially this early in the game's life.

[left spear]

It would be a neat DLC alt tho

[ancient ibex]

The Torvo alt DLC, incluiding Megalo, and the giant US animal if that ends up being its own thing lol

[neon blade]

Hey guys! Daily reminder of the Prehistoric Primates thread. Check it out! https://discord.com/channels/173172667623407616/1468087284770541803

[burnt gate]

I hope they add albertosaurus

[eager thunder]

I feel like purely for the thematic sense where megalosaurus was the first named dinosaur it deserves some sort of, potentially artistic liberty depiction spot

Also isn’t megalosaurus smaller than Torvo?

[quick ore]

Iguanodon fits that role better and is good in other ways too. I feel like considering just how many potential theropods could be added to the game that would be way better inclusions than Megalosaurus as far as them being unique or having better material that choosing Megalosaurus over them would be a misstep.

[eager thunder]

I guess I can’t argue that, I like megalosaurus but there’s plenty of just theropods I would like sooner

[quick ore]

it just doesn't have much going for it besides being the first

[eager thunder]

Also potentially feathers

Which would be unique for its size

[quick ore]

huh

we have direct evidence of Megalosaurus being feathered?

[eager thunder]

More so fossils that show megalosauriade in general had feathers leading to megalosaurus having feathers to be likely

[quick ore]

ah ok

[alpine thicket]

ehhhhh

wouldn't be

that

certain about it.

[eager thunder]

Honestly im looking at it again and its more shaky than i remembered

[quick ore]

I mean my choices for large feathered carnivorous theropods would be Yuty and megaraptorans

[alpine thicket]

Yuty's my pick.

[eager thunder]

The best evidence was baby megalosurid feathers which, kinda common

And Sciurumimus

Which is apparently related

[quick ore]

that's debated

[eager thunder]

I would prefer Yuty but I would also like Guanlong first

[quick ore]

I think Cau's compy idea isn't actually well supported

[alpine thicket]

Sciurumimus's affinities are actually debatable.

and yeah Cau's proposal is not well-supported.

I've seen some other paleontologists talk about it in a preeeeetty negative light.

[eager thunder]

Yeah I guess megalosaur feathers is more a popular speculative thing than anything

[quick ore]

I do think it would be funny if we found out that Sciurumimus was the juvenile of a larger unnamed theropod species, simply because a large apex predatory theropod named "Sciurumimus" would be really funny

[ancient ibex]

I've also seen other paleontologist talk about it in a pretty positive light

[quick ore]

but besides that it's probably not the case

[ancient ibex]

Buut

[eager thunder]

Versus big therapods like yuty which we actually knew had feathers and were big

[eager thunder]

Sciurumimus the horrible

[quick ore]

you realize what the name means right

[ancient ibex]

Mussaurus, the "mouse lizard", is rhino sized when grown

[quick ore]

*theropod

[quick ore]

similar level of funny

[eager thunder]

Deinocheirus is really funny to me because it was assumed to be some giant murder predator and then it became big Duck

“Terrible hand” and it’s just big duck I love it

[alpine thicket]

to be fair it was a giant murder predator
of fish

not large fish

but fish

[quick ore]

and it does have big hands

they just don't look impressive on its body

[alpine thicket]

(also a grazer but the point is it did probably do predation).

Though actually

a lot of ducks are predatory.

[eager thunder]

Deinocheirus birch slap for U17 let’s go gamers

[alpine thicket]

They're just not hunting big stuff.

But like a lot of them eat fish and insects as their primary diet.

[quick ore]

have you seen that account of pintails gorging on a seal carcass

[alpine thicket]

I 100% believe it, they eat meat so

I've seen ducks crack snails and eat fish as well so

[quick ore]

"One might surmise that the delicate little pintails wait their turn to pick at the bones and small scraps left by the larger predators. Wrong assumption! As soon as there is a small opening in the seal carcass the ducks dive headlong into the hole, which conceals from view their bills and at times even their heads.
"The head is methodically withdrawn time and again for surveillance, but it is not unusual to see both giant petrels and pintails simultaneously picking at the same carcass. The ducks are so clever in maneuvering that not many are caught unaware. Unlike the giant petrels that acquire grisly scarlet heads while gorging on the bloody flesh, the fastidious pintails remain remarkably clean by dipping frequently into streams or pools of water."[14]

[eager thunder]

Deinocheirus opportunistic scavenger theory commences

[static flame]

i mean some ducks are active pursuit hunters

mergansers

[alpine thicket]

Yep.

Mergansers are cool, I've seen them diving before.

[static flame]

i was in atlantic city last month and saw a flock of either common or red-breasted

||went gambling with friends for my birthday (lost everything but i didn't bet much lol)||

[quick ore]

I see hooded mergansers at the zoo semi frequently but I don't even think they are owned by the zoo they just live in the ponds with the other birds

[static flame]

yeah that's common

though usually you just get mallards or canada geese doing that

[quick ore]

ye

[eager thunder]

https://tenor.com/view/deinonychus-casino-slots-jack-pot-jackpot-gif-12253592355976125573

[quick ore]

I had a big laugh when my australian friend showed me a photo of a canada goose he saw at the zoo

[eager thunder]

I wonder if they could fit it in the box

Or if it would be an exhibit animal

[toxic oriole]

A few people want Repenomamus as a non-vivarium animal because of the fact it most likely ate dino babies (Psittacosaurus)

And yet the size of the animal is rather inconvenient

[eager thunder]

It is really small

[static flame]

you have decent modern equivalents in badgers, so look at how they're housed in accredited zoos

[eager thunder]

Quick Google

They get fairly normal exhibits

[limber needle]

Y'all gotta realise that some things just can't and/or shouldn't be in vivariums

[mint creek]

Megalosaurus my goat

[feral cedar]

nah fr

I’ve seen Rhamphorhynchus suggested for vivariums before

[limber needle]

THATS WHAT IM SAYING ABOUT MONONYKUS

[limber needle]

*sees albatross sized wingspan
"Oh shit, yk where that would look great? The box!"

[feral cedar]

Personally I think some people are too “trigger happy” in suggesting vivariums and alt genera

[silver steeple]

Albatross are almost 2x that lol

Unless you're talking about like the smallest species

[limber needle]

Yeah smaller species

[silver steeple]

Which frankly seems dishonest cause that's not what people talk about when they mention albatross but whatever

[limber needle]

Probably should've said black backed gull

My bad

Also baby rhamph should look like this I think

[mint creek]

Vivariums have been a disastor for the community species suggestion community

[plush nacelle]

Vivariums are fairly simple and objective concept - if small enough then fits

The disaster part comes mostly from people who refuse to acknowledge some animals with such logic are bound to vivarium system

[slim flare]

I think pterosaurs could fly pretty quickly after hatching

[ancient ibex]

Then use a more familiar analogue

[sharp dock]

woman

[left spear]

Can't spell woman without wombat

[civic terrace]

Haolong dongi. Need this new weirdo ASAP.

[wild relic]

Problem, it's only known from a juvenile specimen, so idk if that complicates its inclusion

[outer moth]

Same with Beipi

[tidal estuary]

Beipi got mature specimen right? would love to see it

[desert flame]

Is Icaronycteris an arboreal mammal that fits in a box? Personally, I'd like a prehistoric bat.

[shell sonnet]

It's big enough for the vivarium.

[desert flame]

I'd like to see some prehistoric bats, but I'll probably only add one.

[silver steeple]

If there is one it's not described

[coarse inlet]

Tbf a lot of people are familiar with the juveniles in museums and assume that’s the full size

[coarse inlet]

Kid named Dryosaurus:

[quick ore]

also its appearance in WWD doesn't look all that big either

[plush nacelle]

WWD is different species

The smaller one

Whats interesting they named it 16 years after show released

[quick ore]

oh huh

neat

[coarse inlet]

Is R. etchesi known from adults?

[wary nacelle]

Why suggest patagorhynchus? 70 million year old platypus.
What makes it distinct from the platypus? 😨.

I like him

okay

thank you

[quick ore]

I would prefer Obdurodon personally

Obdurodon as a viv animal and Murrayglossus as an exhibit animal is all the monotreme representation you really need

[ancient ibex]

Throw in a coati to work as Steropodon

[eager thunder]

How bigs this thing anyhow?

I also like it

[wary nacelle]

vivarium size

[eager thunder]

Fun :]

[wary nacelle]

pretty sure this is a skull of it

Idk

bing is unusual

[plush nacelle]

Diictodon like

[eager thunder]

I would love it

It’s such a little fella :]

[wary nacelle]

what other south american cretaceous mammals even exist 🙄

this is a joke

[digital pendant]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Category:Late_Cretaceous_mammals_of_South_America

[ancient ibex]

I honestly believe Castorocauda or even Didelphodon would be better choices for semiaquatic vivarium mammals

[coarse inlet]

Tf do you mean “even” Didelphodon?

[left spear]

Obdurodon is like

A few teeth and a Jaw fragment

Frankly it's kind of irrelevant

Big platypus is Big platypus

[shell sonnet]

So a typical mammal fossil

[left spear]

*Typical fossil

[ancient ibex]

Titanoboa situation perhaps?

[coarse inlet]

I guess.

[ancient ibex]

Would be cool

[heavy scarab]

I know Ambulocetus is likely coming in Update 18 but I personally wish it was Castoroides instead.
Nothing against Ambulocetus and I hope both comes to the game at some point.

[lean hound]

smol

[slim flare]

Same

[ancient ibex]

Periodic pigacorn reminder

Tricerapig is also acceptable as a name

[outer moth]

Unihog

Styracopork even

[rigid spindle]

Sinoswine perhaps

[outer moth]

Monogabagool

[rigid spindle]

What's the name of the actual species though?

[feral cedar]

Kubanochoerus, right?

[quick ore]

Celebochoerus >>>>>

[quick ore]

those would be great too but I was just mentioning what monotremes I would prefer

truth be told we don't even need a viv monotreme, if we got Murray in game I'd be more than happy

[burnt shore]

We need pigs/boars in the game

[quick ore]

Suines would be great

imagine Platygonus

[left spear]

The warthog with 4 tusks would be neat aswell for normal kingdom

[flint sable]

this implies 3 horns

im sueing you for false advertising

suiding you actually

[outer crater]

Should be monocerahog

[plush nacelle]

Monocerasus

[left spear]

Agahogmas

[ancient ibex]

Which it has

[flint sable]

oh you are correct

it looked like 1 horn with 2 iddy biddy prongs

and 1 huge one

[outer moth]

Eh, the 2 smaller ones count more as "brow decor horns", it's like how they are on a centrosaur than a chasmosaur

[heavy scarab]

Question why was Daeodon listed as a potential inclusion instead of Entelodon itself.

[left spear]

Daedon is just the more popular animal

They are extremely similar so kind of irrelevant

[heavy scarab]

Could work as alternates

[feral cedar]

Daeodon has better remains, is larger, has been in more stuff, and is also from a relatively well-preserved Miocene-aged formation

Plus, Digital Duck is making that documentary on the Agate Fossil Beds

[feral cedar]

They could, but truth to be told entelodonts are the kind of group that is good enough with one representative

And the one representative needed is Daeodon

[heavy scarab]

What about Andrewsarchus

[quick ore]

lmao no way

[feral cedar]

The modern understanding of Andrewsarchus is that of an animal that is Daeodon but less interesting

[quick ore]

terrible choice imo

[feral cedar]

Again, entelodont-like animals don't really need more than one rep

Daeodon is good enough

[quick ore]

if you want another giant carnivorous land mammal I would go with like, Hyaenodon or Hyainailouros

[left spear]

Eh i think It should have one alt

Archaeotherium is cool

A smaller one of anything is always nice

[flint sable]

Megistotherium, Simbakubwa, and Amphicyon are also good picks

specifically the 1st and third one, Simbakubwa isnt that good in terms of remains iirc

[shell sonnet]

Amph would be better. Megistotherium shares a clade with Hyaenodon, whereas Amphicyon doesn't really have any competition in its clade.

[quick ore]

I said Hyainailouros because it has way better material than Megisto and Megisto may even be a junior synonym of it apparently

Megistotherium is just a skull

[feral cedar]

Hyaenodon also has some “seniority” as an old name the devs already were going to add

[quick ore]

mhm

[left spear]

I mean hyadon is almost a guarantee imo

Great animal, great alts and great history in the game

Any animal in the 50 list is extremely likely imo

[desert flame]

Demodus dracula was surprisingly the most voted for.
But adding a giant prehistoric vampire bat might be a good idea.

[left spear]

It's a great viv for SA

[digital pendant]

VENEZUELAN REP

🔥🔥🔥

🗣️ 🗣️ 🗣️

[left spear]

We can only dream of the day you can make an exclusive Gran Colombia park

[digital pendant]

I can make the building aesthetic at least

Not like finding refs would be hard haha. I see them every day on my way to work

[left spear]

That park could have a very fun mix of modern, small town and imperial era architecture

[quick ore]

wtf does tickets mean

[left spear]

Tickets please

[shell sonnet]

We already have Titanoboa

[shy vale]

that's colombia, not venezuela

[shell sonnet]

It almost certainly lived in both

Human borders should not be a guideline nor a reason to add an animal.

[digital pendant]

Trug

[digital pendant]

Yeah ofc im aware

And there is populator

[burnt gate]

It is RAHHH

We need Albertosauurs

https://tenor.com/view/scream-if-you-love-alberta-alberta-alberta-canada-gif-12932711508427281840

[slim flare]

Not a single Albanian digsite

[burnt gate]

Not Albania Alberta

Albania is a country

Alberta is a province

[median glen]

Albania is a us state

[slim flare]

Get annexed

[shell sonnet]

I know you know already, but other people might not.

[left spear]

My favorite Colombian city

Albania

[shell sonnet]

Well nothing with a backbone

[left spear]

There's a Zalmoxes species

That's about it

[median glen]

I agree, where's tupandactylus

[slim flare]

I meant in PK

[left spear]

Well yeah but like

Not much you can add

Besides there's no Balkan dig site in general

Unless you count Hungary as Balkan which is debatable

[eager thunder]

What’s in Balkan?

I’m curious

[left spear]

Depends on what you consider balkan

There's Hateg island if you consider Hungary and Transylvania as Balkan

If you count Crete and the Agean islands as Balkan then you also get some cool pleistocene island stuff like Candiacervus

[eager thunder]

Oh I like this thing

I like this thing a lot

[left spear]

Look at the size

[eager thunder]

I like this increasingly more

Very creature shaped

[left spear]

My deer pet i would wish

[eager thunder]

I like how his antlers look like tuning forks

[left spear]

Funnily enough iirc they were the second largest land animal in the island

Only surpassed by a dwarf paleoloxodon species

Potentially hunted by owls aswell

[eager thunder]

That’s really silly I like it

I’d vouch for it

[left spear]

By far the best Cervid to add now that Megalo is out of the way

[eager thunder]

We need more little weirdos

[slender tangle]

SHMALL

SHMOLL

[left spear]

Theny

[eager thunder]

Teeeni

[neon blade]

So what type of enrichment do you guys think primates should have? https://discord.com/channels/173172667623407616/1468087284770541803

[left spear]

Nintendo Switch

[wary nacelle]

So uhh for the recently extinct pack I suggest Huanyusuchus because uhh giant giant Gharial crocodile and guess what, it went extinct in the 15th century of China

[eager thunder]

Seems a bit nothing tbh

Like I love animals and everything but this kinda just looks like a croc

[flint sable]

true

very cool in how recently it went extinct though ill give it that

[wary nacelle]

This guy saw Confucianism and legalism and Damian and Mohism and iirc the building of the Great Wall of China

And uhh

Humans

[flint sable]

uhhhhhhhhhh temporally yes but regionally probably not

[wary nacelle]

Tho many things did

[flint sable]

iirc they were mostly southern china

[eager thunder]

Would make for a neat Chinese themed enclosure

[wary nacelle]

Chinese temples with Huanyusuchus and other Chinese dinosaurs

Like confuciusornis in aviaries hey

[flint sable]

great pick for bird

10/10

[wary nacelle]

Early Cretaceous Chinese Birds of Paradise

Truly a time to be a bird

[neon blade]

I know I've posted this before, but these would be really good enrichment for them!

What do you guys think?

[left spear]

Yesn't

It's a Gharial the size of a Salt wáter crocodile from China that went extinct only 300 years ago

It's absolutely a perfect RE

And would fit amazingly on a Yangzte section with Baijis and Chinese paddlefish

[eager thunder]

You know I am kinda warming up to it

[left spear]

It's not a must admitedly

[eager thunder]

But yeah recently extinct would work

[left spear]

But it's along side Warrah my most wanted non-obvious RE

[eager thunder]

I wonder if Stellars sea cow still even has a chance

Or if they’re just being sent to the shadow realm

[left spear]

Almost impossible they get shadow realmed

Same with Haasts

Just have to wait for Aquatics and Flyers

REs are not necessarely locked in RE

[eager thunder]

RE part 2 electric boogaloo

[left spear]

I'd want that but from first hand experience you'll get crucified if you say that here

[eager thunder]

How silesaruid are we feeling

[eager thunder]

Electric boogaloo?

[left spear]

Knowing this channel i wouldn't be surprised if they hated those aswell

[flint sable]

kity

[left spear]

Qt

[civic terrace]

@median glen You're probably just joking, but... Alberta is a Canadian province. My apologies if I ruined a joke.

[eager thunder]

https://preview.redd.it/vwe9jncsdiya1.jpg?width=1080&crop=smart&auto=webp&s=a83f5e89f7551fc9ad669a97b7dc9fa86001a142

[dull aurora]

Gigantopithecus?

[median glen]

No I just don't have much knowledge in north america geography

Very cool to know it

[desert flame]

Gigantopithecus is an animal I personally would like to have, but with so few fossils discovered so far, I think it would be difficult to add an accurate reconstruction of it.

[quick ore]

nah we have Sinopithecus as a reference

it's fine

[silver steeple]

You mean Sivapithecus?

I can't find anything on a "sinopithecus"

[vast berry]

We need this huge duck from Miocene Italy

[left spear]

I'd be nice but for that type of animal i'd rather get Da Big Swan

[civic terrace]

All good. Us Canadians are pretty sensitive about being confused with Americans. Especially this past year (and especially when it comes to territory).

[desert flame]

It's true that it may be possible to recreate a face in a fairly accurate way.

[shell sonnet]

Not the Albertans.

[ancient ibex]

Highly orangutanesque fwiw

[median glen]

Understandable

[civic terrace]

I'm Albertan.

But yes, there's a small fringe of the population that wants to secede.

[quick ore]

oof yeah

my b

in my defense I was thinking about how Gigantopithecus was from China

[eager thunder]

That first monkey gives me old wise man vibes

[final quest]

A megaraptoran PLEASE

[alpine thicket]

sitting orangutans always look like they're about to start talking to you about how you already know what you must do within your heart

If we get Gigantopithecus I want it to project the same energy.

[heavy scarab]

I know it's not a gorilla but I hope Gigantopithecus will chest thump as a threat display.

[quick ore]

I feel like we would need evidence of air sacs in their chests for that to make sense

otherwise there is no reason to think that they would convergently evolve those

[peak hazel]

I don't think that'd make the sound you think it does

[maiden arch]

Terrestrial
Adalatherium, Aquilops, Archaeothyris, Aramadillosuchus, Barbaturex, Beezlebufo, Caudipteryx, Ceratogaulus, Coloniatherium, Cookeroo, Deinogalerix, Ekaltadeta, Elginia, Eohippus, Eoraptor, Euchambersia, Eudibamus, Euparkeria, Hesperocyon, Hesperosuchus, Heterodontosaurus, Hylonomus, Hyperodapedon, Jakapil, Labidosaurus, Leptictidium, Lesothosaurus, Lystrosaurus, Megazostrodon, Megalibgwilia, Ornimegalonyx, Oxyaena, Patagopteryx, Pederpes, Peltobatrachus, Platyhystrix, Proburnetia, Pristerognathus, Repenomamus, Scutellosaurus, Seymouria, Sinosauropteryx, Tetraceratops, Tetraterpeton, Tetrapodophis, Thrinaxodon, Tianyulong, Vintana, Wannanosaurus, Wonambi, Yinlong

Arboreal
Anchiornis, Anurognathus, Archaeoindris, Avisaurus, Carolina Parakeet, Caviramus, Coelurosauravus, Confuciusornis, Darwinopterus, Darwinus, Dimorphodon, Drepanosaurus, Hypuronector, Iberomesornis, Icaronycteris, Ichthyornis, Jeholopterus, Jeholornis, Longisquama, Maiopatagium, Megalapapis, Mirasaura, Nimbadon, Onychonycteris, Passenger Pigeon, Peteinosaurus, Plesidapis, Pterodactylus, Sharovipteryx, Sordes, Suminia, Tapejara, Volaticotherium, Weigeltisaurus, Yalkaparion, Yanornis

Amphibious
Anthracosaurus, Carbonemys, Castorocauda, Champsosaurus, Crassigyrinus, Didelphodon, Eryops, Gerrothorax, Hyphalosaurus, Ichthyostega, Koolasuchus, Limnoscelis, Mastodonosaurus, Mesosaurus, Metoposaurus, Obdurodon, Phosphatherium, Presbyornis, Prionosuchus, Procynosuchus, Proganochelys, Rhinesuchus, Stupendemys, Triadobatrachus, Vancleavea

Greenhouse
Arthropluera, Gigatitan, Hibbertoperus, Mazothairos, Meganeura, Megarachne, Mongolarachne, Pulmonoscorpius, Titanomyrma
Kalligrammatids

Aquarium
Ammonites, Crustaceans, Dinocaridids, Fish (jawless, placoderm, bony), Hallucishaniids, Halwaxiids, Marrellomorphs, Nautiloids, Sea Snails, Trilobites
Eretmorpis, Hupesuchus

[neat iris]

If we only ever get one primate, I hope it’s that one

[next saffron]

Possibly hot take: I would like a giant bird like Aepyornis or a moa to be in the game.

[rigid spindle]

This isn't hot, it's sub zero

Moa was soft confirmed for the RE dlc that will come out depending on post-EA sales

[next saffron]

Ahhh I see

So we are getting more recently extinct stuff ye?

[rigid spindle]

Yup

[next saffron]

Also, I was thinking, would Australopithecines be seen as too human to be included?

[rigid spindle]

Ik quagga was confirmed for it as well, and thylacine and dodo are necessary

I think Australopithecus and anything similar is considered too human to be in a zoo game

[next saffron]

Gotcha.

[eager thunder]

All for the recently extinct

[next saffron]

Are there any habitat based paleozoic creatures that might be feasible? I'd imagine we have to get Dimetrodon at some point it's iconic

[rigid spindle]

Afaik, anything that went extinct in the last 4000-1000 years qualifies for the RE dlc

[next saffron]

By habitat based I mean big animals that have ontogeny

[rigid spindle]

Anteosaurus, jonkeria, inostrancevia, maybe edaphosaurus, scutosaurus, prionosuchus(?)

[next saffron]

jonkleria

https://tenor.com/view/jonkler-joker-gif-4939694494140375951

[eager thunder]

https://tenor.com/view/cotylorhynchus-my-beloved-beloved-dinosaur-reptile-gif-22077496

[rigid spindle]

I forgot coty

I must be burned on the stake for my sins

[next saffron]

why does bro look so silly

[eager thunder]

Cause we all love him

[rigid spindle]

Because he's the pinnacle of evolution

[eager thunder]

Peak animal

[rigid spindle]

If coty doesn't make it to PK, WE are all revolting French revolution style

[next saffron]

Okay okay okay, actual hot take: We need Dinosaurus, as in the therapsid

[river perch]

damn this is a pretty cool depiction of it

[rigid spindle]

There's literally nothing of dinosaurus (the therapsid) online

[rigid spindle]

I stand corrected

[next saffron]

I admit I did say this as a joke

[alpine thicket]

There's something really funny while also being wrong about the way people draw non-mammlian therapsids as if fur evolved just by slowly sprouting in.
wacky seeing them stick whiskers on gorgonopsids but far from the worst overmammaling of them I've seen.

[rigid spindle]

When did fur show up in mammals?

[quick ore]

fur likely showed up before mammals

[left spear]

Hotter takes seen in Antarctica

[static flame]

hot take i think it's good that t. rex is in the game 🙂

[eager thunder]

Hot take I don’t think modern wolves should be in the game

As in like today

[rigid spindle]

Hot take I think hot take i think

[left spear]

Take I hot think

[eager thunder]

https://preview.redd.it/was-mastodonsaurus-the-largest-amphibian-art-made-by-me-v0-wbgoah7pt59f1.jpeg?auto=webp&s=16305056c3d667da5003ca3ca944d9f4bbcfaec9 mastodonsaurus

[slim flare]

Are it’s teeth actually like nipples?

[eager thunder]

What

[coarse inlet]

that's what its name means

[eager thunder]

Why would they do that to it

[slim flare]

They hated it

[eager thunder]

The largest amphibious animal to live possibly and they called it titty teeth

[burnt gate]

Slavs

That all hate eachother

[tough marsh]

the actual material is this

[eager thunder]

Why do they keep doing that

It’s not a species if you have 2 bones

[tough marsh]

it was named in the 1847

[eager thunder]

Yeah but keep doing that

[tough marsh]

Also this artwork is based on Ivanoko which is why it’s so Gorgonopsian when it should be more basal

[eager thunder]

Where are we saying anything about it when it’s 2 bones

[brisk spruce]

Hot take, i think hot takes are hot takes

[tough marsh]

It’s basal Therapsida

[eager thunder]

Phylogenetic bracketing comes in with the steel chair I see

[burnt gate]

Hot take, your hot take that hot takes are hot takes is a hot take

[feral cedar]

Mastodonsaurus is such an atrocious name

It's so... barbaric

It's like Carcharodonsaurus

Was it that difficult to make it Mastodontosaurus

[next saffron]

Haha I'm a Slav and I am from the Balkans

[lean hound]

Late reply but Joschua Knüppe did a piece quite recently

[outer moth]

Every time I see that one I just think of that dog gif

https://tenor.com/view/bro-is-finished-cooked-finished-dog-closing-eyes-dog-with-eyes-closed-gif-8933440936102921947

[brisk spruce]

Crystal palace megalosaurus as an april fools update

(Joke suggestion, but it would be funny)

[shell sonnet]

I wouldn't mind crystal palace-esque statues in the game.

But it's hard enough for the devs to add regular ones it seems

[left spear]

Yeah they still need to model an entire animal at the end of the day

Don't see them any time soon unless they're very stylized

[desert flame]

If we were to add a Thylacosmilus, would the model have exposed or covered tusks?

[eager thunder]

Is it wrong to say this thing creeps me out

[rigid spindle]

Yes it's kinda creeping me out too

[desert flame]

I think that's the charm of Thylacosmilus.

[coarse inlet]

covered

[desert flame]

It's certainly possible that they were covered. They were probably covered by a pouch that protected the fangs.

[quick ore]

they weren't tusks

they were saber teeth

[quick ore]

those are just 2 weird reconstructions

[digital pendant]

They werent saber teeth either

They had no serrations and have a weird almost triangular shape

They are actually more "tustk" like

They continuously grew

[digital pendant]

Nope they wouldnt have been covered either

[coarse inlet]

there's clear space for a sheathe

[shell sonnet]

Hey, you're something of an (relatively) expert on mammals. Do we have any good reconstructions of Thylophorops lorenzini?

[digital pendant]

Ye from Hodari

[shell sonnet]

Did it really get that big?

[left spear]

It's a mole/prairy dog type animal

I don't think you can judge the size much from that image tbh

[shell sonnet]

Wiki isn't much help because the only specimen is a partial juvi.

[digital pendant]

Cat sized roughly

[shell sonnet]

So a vivarium beast, thanks.

[neat iris]

They teased the original roster for it a long time ago; idk if it’s changed at all since then

[next saffron]

Wasn't that for some sort of kickstarter whose goal wasn't reached?

[neat iris]

I think so…?

[slim flare]

That was to make the RE DLC free

[digital pendant]

Because there is space doesnt mean it needed a sheath. The more tusk like morphology hints at them being uncovered. They wouldnt have been traditional teeth that require constant moisture. The chin seems to have acted more as a resting base. Plus, such a large covered area would be prone to accumulate meat and blood which could rot. There is no realistic way for the animal to clean such a large sheath hole if it was all covered up. Same logic for Barbourofelis.

Also, constantly growing teeth being hindered by a flap of skin sounds like a contradiction 😅

[shell sonnet]

Clearly it sheds its skin everyone once in a while like a snake.

[quick ore]

yes they were what are you talking about

just because they continually grew doesn't mean they weren't sabers

[digital pendant]

Its the shape

[quick ore]

they were clearly used for killing large prey just like the sabers of other sabertoothed synapsids

[digital pendant]

And no serrations either

[digital pendant]

Thats sort of debated. Isotope analysis hints small to medium notoungulates and rodents

[quick ore]

show me the paper

[digital pendant]

It wasnt pulling a Smilodon killing very big animals

[digital pendant]

Let me find it

[eager thunder]

Well what’s it supposed to look like?

[quick ore]

these are better

[digital pendant]

the second reconstruction isnt bad tbh

its just a really weird looking animal

[eager thunder]

Why’s it have those flesh sacks

[digital pendant]

those arent sacks

thats skin covering the flange of the jaw

[digital pendant]

https://www.nature.com/articles/s41598-020-58575-6 the paper btw

very thorough

https://www.researchgate.net/publication/375917275_Paleoenvironment_and_paleoecology_associated_with_the_early_phases_of_the_Great_American_Biotic_Interchange_based_on_stable_isotope_analysis_of_fossil_mammals_and_new_U_Pb_ages_from_the_Pampas_of_Arge

here is another one

more recent one

btw keep in mind that because rodents are mentioned, they wouldnt be small, SA had/has quite larger rodents proportionally than other continents

even more so back then

[slim flare]

Capybara

[hollow flower]

How intruiging

[outer moth]

Was about to talk about Jianchangosaurus being a vivarium therizinosaur until I realized that this guy's bigger than I thought

[left spear]

Vivarium therizinosaur is ultra cursed

[vast berry]

Miracynonyx aka the American Cheetah

[desert flame]

If the American Cheetah is added, I hope it will run at a similar speed to the current Cheetah.

[civic terrace]

I'd kill for this in the game.

[desert flame]

Therizinosauridae probably wouldn't fit in a vivarium; even the smallest species are large enough for a full exhibit.

[outer moth]

I was talking about Jianchang specifically

I know the others are massive

[desert flame]

Ah, I misunderstood, sorry.

However, I think that even primitive therizinosaurs are not suitable for a vivarium due to their size.

[outer moth]

Yeah, that's for certain

[slim flare]

They’re not that fast

[quick ore]

you know they weren't literal cheetahs right

like this wasn't an american species of cheetah

it was just a relative of pumas that had some adaptations for running fast like cheetahs do, but not to the same extent

[coarse inlet]

Yeah they were fast but not THAT fast

Same with the giant cheetah

[heavy scarab]

Should Koolasuchus be a vivarium animal?

[mint creek]

no

[quick ore]

yes

it can't really be an exhibit animal unless there's another overhaul for breeding that involves amphibians

[mint creek]

why

[plush nacelle]

I am indifferent

Animal itself would probably not do much anyway so could be vivarium animal for me

[quick ore]

they were amphibians

they weren't live birthers as far as we know and they didn't lay eggs terrestrially

[mint creek]

I know Koolasuchus is an amphibian, I don't understand your why you think they'd require a breeding overhaul

[quick ore]

because the nests wouldn't work with it

[mint creek]

I do not believe it would be difficult to implement an aquatic nest piece

[plush nacelle]

For me being able to navigate on land with at least decent speed should be requirement to be exhibit animal

[quick ore]

that's a good point too

[burnt shore]

If amphibians were to be added, would they have larval stages?

[mint creek]

I think the only things that should matter for what qualifies as a vivarium animal are; size, difficulties with ontogeny and difficult locomotion.

[mint creek]

Nah. Any vivarium amphibians wouldn't have ontogeny and any exhibit amphibian would skip the larval stage I image since every baby animal in game is already pretty developed. None start at the age of "just hatched/born".

[peak hazel]

Temnospondyls did not from my understanding

[plush nacelle]

Sure, koolasuchus by size alone could be exhibit animal, but what would it exactly do as such. It would have problem with reaching feeders and be probably not so interesting to watch aside feeling it can in theory explore entire exhibit

[mint creek]

Well yeah, it should just have a small area requirement.

And if it struggles to reach a feeder that's kind of on the player for making a poor habitat for it

[plush nacelle]

Area requirement so small it could be vivarium

[peak hazel]

it'd have to be like boa where its 1 per large vivarium

[plush nacelle]

I cant really see single advantage by it being exhibit species. Sluggish on land, small potential in animation departament and from combat perspective it simply wouldnt do anything

[mint creek]

I think every animal should be considered for exhibit first since it makes the animal a lot more dynamic. Vivarium's should only be considered if there's an actual gameplay issue (e.g too small) or if there are technical issues (e.g difficult ontogeny/locomotion).

I find the argument of "Oh it could work in a vivarium so why not" to be reductive.

iirc, the devs have said the purpose of vivariums was for "animals that wouldn't be able to make it into the game without them"

[tawdry estuary]

xl vivariums

[shell sonnet]

While this is true, how the devs interpret that will not match everyone's definition

[plush nacelle]

I might change opinion once deinosuchus and ambulocetus drop and both will walk casually tho

[shell sonnet]

For what it's worth, about half the votes for Koolasuchus have it as a vivarium animal and half of it for a full exhibit (and there's the few that have it as a lagoon animal) https://docs.google.com/forms/d/e/1FAIpQLSeEaCjefDpH8edx3Y-aKESFRT7rIXZPyN4dQ4YMVWwTsx1UWg/viewform?usp=header

[feral cedar]

The thing is though Deinosuchus laying eggs and Ambulocetus giving live birth mean they can easily fit into the current breeding system

But Koolasuchus would probably need a special “nest”

[plush nacelle]

I am thinking about how animals used to drag bodies on land, but since this locomotion is rather unusual we might see deinosuchus doing standard croc high walk and not gharial movement we now know about

So in theory devs can always make koolasuchus walk just like that

Breeding requirements for amphibians is arguably the easiest part to do, because special nest could be simply just mud with puddle

Like this one for mountain chicken

[peak hazel]

I forget that its called that

[heavy scarab]

I was asking because Koolasuchus and Beelzebufo are the only amphibians I'd still like to see

[left spear]

Temnospondyls don't go through metamorphosis

Just give them a pond nest

[silver steeple]

I can't imagine a third nest type would realistically be that difficult

[glass snow]

temnos don’t generally have a tadpole stage though

you could just have a water nest.

like a water bed nest.

Which would work with animals like eryops and kin

[warm ice]

Or just like
Make the nest only placeable under actual water

[left spear]

That would require diving

Which more likely than not is a no no until Aquatics

[rigid spindle]

You could make it require shallow water

Then there would be less of a need for diving

Or just make it float (like a patch of duckweed or something)

[proper raven]

Some temnospondyls do have larval stages

[eager thunder]

Jonkeria is a really fun name

I’m becoming a Permian fan

[sharp sable]

Novavis

for the vivs

[vast berry]

How about Nyasasaurus?
It could be a dinosaur because of its body shape; one of the great scientific mysteries.

[shell sonnet]

We have barely anything of Nyasasaurus. What it looks like is unknown.

[vast berry]

The mystery makes it alluring

[feral cedar]

I mean if we’re adding a Middle Triassic avemetatarsalian then I think Teleocrater would be better

[peak hazel]

thats not

but

if we don't know what an animal looks like why should it be added

[lean hound]

It doesn’t

It just makes for a waste of space in the roster

[feral cedar]

I also think that even if the “mystery” is the appeal it’s lame to post pictures where it’s restored as… a dinosaur

[plush nacelle]

For me it look just like any other basal dinosaur

[warm ice]

Also it’s really weird to want to add something

When we don’t know what it is
If we don’t even know what it is, how are the devs gonna know what to make it look like

[feral cedar]

And we already have Coelophysis

[plush nacelle]

Right, this is supposed to be 'potentially' oldest known dinosaurs

Hardly interesting

[warm ice]

If we want another oldest dinosaur like

Just use Herrerasaurus
It’s large enough to be functionally different from coelophysis and has been studied extensively

[shell sonnet]

Herrerasaurus is really the last Triassic dino we need (I'm not counting Silesaurus because where it fits still isn't clear to me)

[feral cedar]

I mean, Silesaurus is still a unique-looking creature

We know what it looks like, we just don’t 100% know what it is

[shell sonnet]

I'm not denying that, I just don't know if it's a dino or not.

[feral cedar]

Oh, and Eoraptor

[shell sonnet]

Yeah, I forget Eoraptor.

[mint creek]

I'd rather have some Triassic pseudosuchians before another Triassic dino

[feral cedar]

Lovely holotype specimen

[shell sonnet]

(Technically Melanro as well but it's not a needed animal

[feral cedar]

It’s a good thing most Triassic pseudosuchians worth adding would be good fits to share DLCs with Triassic dinosaurs

[buoyant zephyr]

I always feel sad when people suggest iffy genera because they like it and then discover that it's a fragmentary mess that wouldn't work at all

[mint creek]

My beloveds

[buoyant zephyr]

It's like reality shatters completely

[feral cedar]

I think Ischigualasto has some serious DLC potential

Herrerasaurus, Eoraptor, Sillosuchus, Saurosuchus, and Hyperodapedon are stand outs for me

Chinle could also be a pack, but with Coelophysis already added it might lose some appeal for people

Postosuchus, Placerias, Desmatosuchus, and perhaps one of its phytosaurs (Smilosuchus, maybe?) could be decent enough

Oh, and I think Trilophosaurus could be funny if Monolophosaurus is a part of the game

[desert flame]

To be honest, I'd like to see more animals other than dinosaurs added to the Triassic period. However, marine reptiles like Shonisaurus may be added in the aquatic animal DLC.

[silver steeple]

It is

Basically all the well made phylogenies in the last like 5 or so years have concluded this

Fonesca et al is like the nail in the coffin imo

[short rover]

Isn’t it a basal ornithischian

[silver steeple]

Yup

As basal as they get

[short rover]

Neat

What’s the most basal theropod we know of?

Staurikosaurus?

[silver steeple]

Probably?

I know the most basal saurischians get kinda funky

[short rover]

Yeah

[silver steeple]

Herrera is just in a weird spot overall, Eoraptor is pretty confidently a super basal sauropodomorph by now

Anyway

Put my favorite little deer-nosaur in the game and my life is yours

You can get a lot of skin variety out of these fellas too

Protofeathers and scales are certainly on the table

Lewisuchus (another silesaurid, iirc more basal than sile proper) has potentially preserved osteoderms/scutes

[short rover]

Isn’t it debated on if it was quadrapedal or not

[silver steeple]

Those limb proportions are quad

Other siles may have been facultative or even obligate bipeds but I really can't see that being the case for Sile

[short rover]

If that’s the case does that mean quadrapedality was the basal condition for all of ornithischia or is silesaurus itself being a quadraped a weird trait that’s not common in the rest of its clade

[silver steeple]

Great question

[short rover]

More derived ornithischians in the later Triassic and early Jurassic afaik make me wanna lead towards bipedality as the basal condition with quadrapedality evolving independently multiple times

Only time will tell I suppose

It is strange that quadrapedality seems to have popped up a bunch of different times in ornithischia but not once in theropoda

[silver steeple]

That would be my guess as well

Heterodontosaurs for example show up practically right after these guys bite the dust and are completely bipedal afaik

[silver steeple]

A lot of that just comes with being an herbivore I feel

As you get larger, it gets harder to get the nutrients you need. Herbivores tend towards increasing the gut size to compensate since it's not like their meals are running away

[short rover]

Maybe

Tbh I feel like there could be a few clades of derived weird quadrapedal theropods we haven’t discovered yet

[silver steeple]

It's not an impossibly

But I imagine it was something that would have have to have happened at like the very beginning

There is a point where a group gets too derived to return to certain forms

[short rover]

Either that or a wacky arboreal clade of some kind

[quick ore]

you forgot Ischigualastia itself

[feral cedar]

Ischigualastia is like the middleground between Placerias and Lisowicia

[quick ore]

it's gonna be the focus animal in that episode of Surviving Earth

people will want it more after that drops

[feral cedar]

So fake fans

[quick ore]

no

what

[feral cedar]

"fake" might not be the best word for it but like

For example people suggesting Barbaridactylus only do so because they saw it in Prehistoric Planet

[plush nacelle]

Leptictidium on fraud watch

Documentaries always gonna be prime reason why people like certain animals

[feral cedar]

Maybe Placerias/Ischigualastia/Lisowicia alt combo?

Wait that wouldn't work

[plush nacelle]

Dont remember where this is from

But it represent difference between erect lisowicia limbs and some other species

[feral cedar]

Interesting

ngl I kinda changed my mind, Ischigualastia is a common component of the ecosystem together with Hyperodapedon and Exaeretodon, so I figure a Triassic exhibit with these would be welcome

I do still think three stahleckeriids might be a bit much, so I'd personally say Lisowicia would either have to go or be a Paraceratherium-Juxia style alt combo

[ancient ibex]

Furculas are bitches for weight bearing I believe

[shy vale]

do an ischigualasto/santa maria combo pack

where you have 2 for each, an ischigualasto animal and a santa maria alt

covers both brazil and argentina

[peak hazel]

we need Erythrovenator

[shy vale]

(ex. herrasaurus/gnathovorax [based on previous feedback, staurikosaurus is too small], eoraptor/buriolestes)

[peak hazel]

do not look up how much of the skeleton we have

[wary nacelle]

Triassic definitely NAWT an amalgamation of several other species, dinosaur, you mean Gojisaurus

https://tenor.com/view/makin-smth-with-this-trust-w-gif-gif-5790956484979011289

[toxic oriole]

Best they can do for Gojirasaurus is get Liliensternus

Its a larger coelophysid

largest one

[shy vale]

also it co-existed with plateosaurus iirc

[somber light]

I like to see a brazilian crocodilian, in specific, Armadillosuchus

[quick ore]

why Armadillosuchus

[somber light]

Obscure animal, and is unique for croc

The armadillo like armor, and i like both armadillos and crocs

Just it

[eager thunder]

well im a fan

[quick ore]

it wasnt visible from the outside

it would have been covered by skin in life

I feel like you should be aware of that if you aren't already when suggesting a species

[autumn plank]

guidraco would be awesome to see for when everyone wants to make the largest aviary in history for everyone to see them flying over their heads

[slim flare]

Ptaviary

[eager thunder]

Feathered Herrerasaurus

My beloved

[rigid spindle]

His mind looks quite sharp

[eager thunder]

I really love that kinda speculative feathering

[rigid spindle]

Idk if it's realistic, but I will admit it does look pretty good

Speculative paleoart (if done right) can look amazing

[eager thunder]

I mean, it’s fairly likely early Triassic theropods has some sort of feathering

I’m not going to say a hundo percent or anything cause I don’t truly know

[oak lion]

Titanis

[eager thunder]

Terror Birds my beloved

[eager thunder]

https://encrypted-tbn0.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcS2fzv4Fv9q4OvBmhV1D7LsdzdUe_vzL2KZOwfvyf03D5LcWaF-QMeFmEaJhi1P1c3htU_jXLEV_b8CIFfN1rP3uLe5uuz01f1Oc0ZwEg&s=10 big ol Anisodon

[coarse inlet]

Castoroides wasn’t building dams

They weren’t wood cutters like modern beavers

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC6509321

[left spear]

Dam

[slim flare]

No dam

[civic terrace]

Damn... no?

[mint creek]

Yes, yes, give me them all

[dull prism]

I keep getting the feeling that extinct hyenas are a bit underrated, there’s obviously the cave hyena being a huge hyena, but there’s also dinocrocuta, which would be a very cool addition since you never see it anywhere

[mint creek]

horse with fists... my beloved...

[quick ore]

Dinocrocuta would be cool but it may not be a true hyena

tbh I'd be happy with us just getting cave hyenas as a hyaenid rep even if it is kinda basic

Chasmaporthetes would be sick though

[limber needle]

the ischigualasta formation was fairly cold tbf

[flint sable]

they were really weird

the way ive seen them described as being more physically similar to absolutely gigantic muskrats or nutria instead of very large beavers in terms of appearance

obviously actual beavers taxonomically but I think it makes sense

cause they also didnt have the paddle tail

[peak hazel]

ark was wrong??????????

[lean hound]

What a surprise!!

[peak hazel]

my world view is shattered

[flint sable]

how unexpected

also about 80% of recons

[buoyant zephyr]

Josephoartigasia wasn't also just a giant capybara right? It looked more like another SA rodent iirc

[plush nacelle]

To be fair all these are fairly similar

And people mistake them for one another a lot

[flint sable]

pacu

wait no

pacarana

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dinomyidae

[left spear]

Funny looking mole

[buoyant zephyr]

Pfffttt that cant be right

[flint sable]

boinglet

[buoyant zephyr]

Next you're gonna tell me Troodon wasn't a scaly googly eyed nocturnal parasitic predator 😏

[flint sable]

no thats true

contrary to popular belief it was actually not even a vertebrate, it just had a very toothlike shaped exoskeleton

attatched to it was iddy biddy wings and big googly eyes

it flew around and sucked the blood of dinosaurs

[buoyant zephyr]

Or that Inostrancevia wasn't a rhino sized saber toothed arboreal monster that could fight future bats....

You're just messing with me!!!

[peak hazel]

no it walked upright like we did

[shell sonnet]

Troodon was a tooth with floating powers that would pierce the skin of unsuspecting animals and drain their blood

[hollow flower]

Troodon was in fact a conodont

[desert flame]

Do you think there's a chance that pinnipeds will be added in the future?
If so, I'd love to see Imagotaria.

[shell sonnet]

I wouldn't bet on them unless we got full aquatics outside of vivarium options. And even then, there are plenty of aquatics more popular than seals.

[desert flame]

Examples of popular aquatic animals
Mosasaurus
Plesiosaurus
Liopleurodon
Ichthyosaurus
Archelon
Basilosaurus
Megalodon
Dunkleosteus

It's true that these species should be added as a priority.

[eager thunder]

I love me pinnipeds

[civic terrace]

Looks like something straight out of Ice Age (movies).

[desert flame]

me too

[eager thunder]

Allodesmus my beloved

[limber needle]

dont forget our little guy praepusa

[neat grove]

it gotta have alioramus

[cinder token]

I know guys elsewhere who think it should be called Dinohyus because the former has better remains (Daeodon is just a jaw, I think?)

[shell sonnet]

The holotype is a jaw piece

[eager thunder]

I never know how we know about new animals purely on a jaw bone or something

[feral cedar]

Daeodon's holotype is a jaw, whereas the remain first named "Dinohyus" was way more complete. Because there was overlapping material, it was found that Daeodon = Dinohyus, and since Daeodon is the older name, it gets priority

[cinder token]

I know.

The guy I am talking about has made it very clear he dislikes several rules of taxonomy regarding naming.

[shell sonnet]

I don't know how diagnostic the jaw is for the holotype; mammal teeth are supposed to be pretty good for separating them out.

[feral cedar]

Well too bad for this guy. Daeodon shoshonensis and Dinohyus hollandi are two names for what is essentially the same animal. The former was named first, therefore it gets priority

The only time this has been deliberately ignored was with Manospondylus gigas being the "rightful" name for Tyrannosaurus rex, but this was amended in a rule that postulated that a name not used in scientific literature for 50 years or more is deemed a forgotten name and thus rendered dubious

[cinder token]

Rules are rules.

I lost most of my respect for him after his DeviantArt account got hacked and he made suicide jokes / dares at whoever did it - I’ve lost people to that and take the topic very seriously.

It’s sad because otherwise he’s a very good amateur paleo-artist.

[feral cedar]

Sounds like a jackass

And of course he's against the rules of taxonomy without even being a paleontologist himself

[cinder token]

Do you want a link to his stuff? His art is pretty good.

[feral cedar]

sure why not

[eager thunder]

Cave hyenas are cool

I wonder if they laughed back then

Is Pachycrocuta a cave hyena or is that a different thing

[cinder token]

Here’s his current deviantart profile. Art is good, if nothing else.

https://www.deviantart.com/smilocarnifex

[cinder token]

Different thing - the Cave Hyena is just a subspecies of the spotted hyena AFAIK. Pachycrocuta was a seperate genus.

[eager thunder]

Cool

Cave Hyena or Pachycrocuta

That is the question

Or both both is good

[dull prism]

https://tenor.com/view/the-road-to-el-dorado-both-both-is-good-gif-8304204

[eager thunder]

Yes

[dull prism]

We need another version of this with species from formations in game already, like the Morrison, hell creek, etc

[quick ore]

a choice between 2 extant genera

[feral cedar]

I wanted to take a moment to suggest a dinosaur not in the game for some reason

Stegosaurus could be nice ngl

[plush nacelle]

Cave hyena

Cause I want hyena in zoo game that doesnt look like poop

[quick ore]

REAL

PZ dropped the ball so hard

[eager thunder]

I do want me a cave hyena

Very critter

Protemnodon

[rigid spindle]

Why is it so thin

Bro makes Slenderman look like an average American

[eager thunder]

Skin wrapped maybe? Duno

[rigid spindle]

Idk why but it reminds me of a borzoi

[outer crater]

He's just long

[eager thunder]

Long feller

[neon blade]

Dam... lol

Well I would still love to have them in anyway! I wonder what type of behaviors they DID have? 🤔

[shy vale]

hot take but liopleurodon only is famous because of wwd's oversizing it

otherwise people wouldn't care about it as much tbh

[flint sable]

fair

kronosaurus, pliosaurus, and rhomaeleosaurus would probably be objectively more well known if names had nothing to do with it

[shy vale]

definitely pliosaurus

though i would replace kronosaurus with sachicasaurus

[shell sonnet]

Nah, Krono was the Pilosaur for decades.

[shy vale]

but isn't there the possibility it could become a nomen dubium?

[shell sonnet]

No

[shy vale]

ok then

[shell sonnet]

Krono's problem is that the Harvard specimen has been the basis of it for way too long, even though it's too large and made of too much plaster. There's still a big Pilosaur in Australia.

[eager thunder]

Would putting this in a viv be a waste?

[flint sable]

no

great actually

top of the line id argue for a hypothetical fully aquatic viv

goober

or this big idk

either way its definitely in perfect viv range

[eager thunder]

I felt like someone would argue otherwise but definitely seemed Viv sized to me

What did this thing even do to reproduce actually

What would a baby that thing look like

[flint sable]

realistically one of two possibilities

either a super tiny larvae/plankton child or essentially just a smaller version of the adults

thats usually how it works in arthropods

[eager thunder]

Very funky creature

[flint sable]

looking like it it seems their children were smaller version of adults

essentially

[alpine thicket]

Anomalocaris is like a perfect mini-aquarium creature.

[eager thunder]

It’s visually a very iconic prehistoric creature so I could see it

[flint sable]

honestly could definitely be a top DLC animal

100%

iirc it also placed third on a poll for what people want in PK

a while back

and hundreds of people responded

by this goat

https://youtu.be/UGvl7e4lO08?si=RDmRdFxL1RUSNEHi

[eager thunder]

Oh yeah

Based on this video I’m not alone on dire wolves either

So that’s reassuring

[flint sable]

got 56 votes; tied with ceratosaurus

iirc 1st was Carnotaurus and 2nd was Amargasaurus surprisingly enough

Carno makes sense but Amarga is an interesting curveball ngl

all I know is that Thylacoleo got done super dirty, 0 votes somehow

[eager thunder]

CARNOTAURUS SWEEEP BABEEEE

that’s one of my favorites

[shell sonnet]

That polls has some problems, it's useful but don't rely on it

[ancient ibex]

Honestly I believe a community wishlist ala the ones adjacent to Frontier zoo sims works quite well

[shell sonnet]

What do you think I'm trying to do?https://docs.google.com/forms/d/e/1FAIpQLSeEaCjefDpH8edx3Y-aKESFRT7rIXZPyN4dQ4YMVWwTsx1UWg/viewform?usp=header

[ancient ibex]

Community wishlists have open results.

[sharp sable]

titanoboa be like /j

[autumn plover]

Are things like diprotodon and megalania too recently extinct? @shell sonnet

[shell sonnet]

Recently extinct means they died out in the last 2000 years or so

So those two are not that

[autumn plover]

Ok

Would Eohippus be too small?

it seems like it would teeter between viv and full exhibit

[shell sonnet]

I don't have a proper answer; I lean towards vivarium but I'm not going to throw it out if one places it in the full exhibit Cenozoic section. There's quite a few animals like that.

[plush nacelle]

Ya

It is bit smaller than simosuchus

[desert flame]

I hope to see more Cenozoic and Paleozoic animals added in the future.
Ideally, the proportion of animals added from each era would be balanced.

[shell sonnet]

For me, the ideal would be this (not counting vivariums or lagoon/aviaries):
50 % non-Avian Dinosaurs
25 % non-Recently Extinct Cenozoic
10 % Paleozoic
10 % non-Dinosaur Mesozoic
5 % Recently Extinct

[left spear]

10% Paleozonic is crazy

[shell sonnet]

I don't think so, I can think of plenty I'd like from there. But I'm also aware it's less popular than dinos and Cenozoic animals.

[left spear]

Imo take away 10% from dinos and give 5% to Paleos and Cenos

[desert flame]

If we include the non-dinosaur animals of the Mesozoic era are unlikely to account for more than 10% of the total.

[left spear]

Eh with vivs there's enough stuff

Without them there's like

Deino/Sarco

Triassic guys

And uhhhh

Koolasuchus

[shell sonnet]

There's a lot of Triassic animals

[left spear]

Honestly

For non viv terrestrial there's not that many unique AND objectively good choices

Sure Rausuchuids are cool but we only need Posto

And Sillosuchus is cool but it's very fragmentary and the Big size is literally a vertebrae

So with Posto, Desmato, Place, Liso and Shringa we're done

[shell sonnet]

Nope

[left spear]

I'm probably missing one or two but point stands

[fiery crow]

Ticinosuchus?

Prestosuchus

Arizonasaurus

Cynognathus

Erythro

[left spear]

Forgot Popo and Erythro

[shell sonnet]

Cynognathus
Ornithosuchus

[fiery crow]

Lotosaurus

for vivie stuff

Eretmorhipis, Henodus, Hupehsuchus, Psephoderma

[left spear]

Ornitho is like

Whatever tbh

[fiery crow]

Euparkeria, Kapes, Longisquama, Saltopus

[left spear]

Wow fourth convergent triassic bipedal psedosuchian have a medal

[fiery crow]

Drepanosaurus

[left spear]

Vivs

[fiery crow]

that’s… what I’ve been saying

Gigatitan

[left spear]

This argument ignores vivs

Unless you were opening a general triassic viv talk in which case fair

[fiery crow]

alr bet 💀

Mastodonsaurus

[left spear]

Aquatic

[fiery crow]

semi-aquatic

actually

[shell sonnet]

It's semi-aquatic it would work with as either type

[fiery crow]

Or does that not count by your standards?

Saurosuchus

[left spear]

Masto feels like Archelon

[shell sonnet]

It's not

[fiery crow]

Exaeretodon

[left spear]

Sure It can go on land but it's gonna be on the water 95% of time

[fiery crow]

Carnufex

[left spear]

More of a semi-terrestrial

[fiery crow]

Effigia

I’m sure there’s more

[left spear]

Carnu is pretty cool

Effigia is very generic looking but in a good way so i could see it

[fiery crow]

Kannemeyeria

[left spear]

Meh

Place and Liso are enough imo

For triassic ones atleast

[desert flame]

It's on the border between a full exhibit and a vivarium.

[left spear]

Eh it's Coelo sized more or less

[shell sonnet]

But that logic, we shouldn't have Sucho or Giga

[left spear]

I could see It as an exhibit

[left spear]

I agree with Giga completely

And sucho i would only like as DLC and would trade for Icthyovenator

[fiery crow]

Anaschisma

well

semi-aquatic (again)

[left spear]

Also

If this is for a roster

We somewhat have to be realistic

Anaschisma is cool

But it's just not getting in

[feral cedar]

Effigia is an awesome lil creature but in my humble opinion I think it and Cymbospondylus are on a very similar boat

[left spear]

I'd love Askeptosaurus to get in

But it's not

[fiery crow]

I need my big amphibians though

well

[left spear]

We'll probably get plenty of those

Kool and Priono chiefly

[fiery crow]

just Prionosuchus, Koolasuchus, Pholiderpeton, Mastodonsaurus, and Eryops would be good enough for me

[feral cedar]

Cymbospondylus is an ichthyosaur but it looks like a mosasaur. Effigia is a poposauroid, but it looks like a coelophysid

[left spear]

Would Crassigyrinus be viv or aquatic

[feral cedar]

I find other ichthyosaurs and poposaurs to be more compelling additions than just "here's one that looks like a member of the more popular group!"

[left spear]

Popo is a must imo

[fiery crow]

viv

[left spear]

(For DLC)

[fiery crow]

probably viv

it’s massive though

[feral cedar]

Sillosuchus/Shuvosaurus is the ideal poposaur

[shell sonnet]

With those limbs Viv

[left spear]

Sillo is quite overrated

[fiery crow]

Arizona and Loto?

[feral cedar]

Arizonasaurus is cool too

[left spear]

It's claim to Fame is based on a single vertebrae

Arizona is cool

[peak hazel]

https://tenor.com/view/el-macho-morgan-freeman-true-false-despicable-me-gif-9309169277812661996

[fiery crow]

I’ve never been a fan of the “it’s too fragmentary” argument. by that logic we shouldnt’ve gotten Carcharodontosaurus, Llealynasaura, or Argentinosaurus.

[shell sonnet]

We shouldn't have

Giga, Hypsi, and Dread would have been better

[outer crater]

Hypsi wouldn't be as good as leally

[left spear]

Carch you can still argue for

[feral cedar]

Hypsilophodon and Leaellynasaura are too different to be compared

[left spear]

But Leally and Argentino are just undeserved fame additions

[shell sonnet]

I get a playmate for Iggy, and the iconic small ornithopod, no Hypsi is better

[feral cedar]

I mean, Argentinosaurus has name recognition and is the largest terrestrial animal lol

[left spear]

Is it

There's like 7 other identical animals

[peak hazel]

well the general consensus is that its the largest

[outer crater]

Leallyn has the long tail, is from Australia and was in WWD

[left spear]

Well yes but like

Such a minor difference it's irrelevant

[shell sonnet]

The first one is false and the last two are meaningless

[left spear]

Giga/Mapu/Tyranno situation

Who cares who we get

[feral cedar]

But the remains we have of Argentinosaurus point to a colossal animal when we use its close relatives and then scale based on the scraps we DO have

[left spear]

From what we can tell they're essentially the same thing

[feral cedar]

Also Dreadnoughtus is not a good "Should've been this one" inclusion

[left spear]

Meh

[feral cedar]

If you're going to propose an alternate animal that should've been included instead of Argentinosaurus then Patagotitan is right there