Community Species Suggestions

[shell sonnet]

Interesting, do we have more than just part of the skull

[silver steeple]

Unfortunately no

[hollow flower]

No, although some suggest the other birds of the formation could just all be one bird

[toxic oriole]

This animal is new to me since a Minecraft mod/addon thing had shown a teaser of a minecraft styled version of Ctenosauriscus
No idea if it'd even fit, but its an Early Triassic Archosaur and a member of Pseudosuchia + Poposauroidae, then apart of its own family

[silver steeple]

Probably depends on what other genera come alongside it

[hollow flower]

Poposauroids are the fucked up experiments of pseudosuchia

The one with Megisto but im not an expert

[toxic oriole]

Y'know this guy kinda resembles Spinosaurus only in the sail, or at least in the depiction that shows the sailback spine

Just the sail is what got me

[shell sonnet]

That's what I'm trying to figure out, wiki is of limited help and there's too many on Paleo db.

[ancient ibex]

The only bad part of the teethcan is that it was discovered AFTER my master's thesis on mesozoic bird biodiversity, and thus the awesome lad couldn't be yet another example of enants being wildly diverse and successful until the meteor killed them and a few shorebird lineages had to pick all the slack

[hollow flower]

Theres also Arizonasaurus and Lotosaurus

[late swallow]

Cursory glance at recovered specimens points to Ukraine as the most plentiful

[ancient ibex]

Iberomesornis is mid as an enant pick no matter how important

[digital pendant]

it was a very widespread animal so could be a mammoth situation with multiple formations tbh

[silver steeple]

That's what I was thinking tbh

[toxic oriole]

That I am aware of Arizonasaurus

[hollow flower]

Ukrainian Deinotherium?

[shell sonnet]

Yeah, that seems likely

[silver steeple]

Just depends on what else is where

[digital pendant]

though giganteum was primarily european

[hollow flower]

Thats kinda cool

[digital pendant]

so anywhere in europe works tbh

[silver steeple]

They were all over the balkans so not a shock tbh

[ancient ibex]

Gobipteryx, Falcatakely, Longipteryx... even a mostly conjectual Avisaurus would go hard

[shell sonnet]

I did a cursory look at bozasi and wasn't exactly thrilled about its neighbors

[hollow flower]

I always assumed giganteum was from africa and such

[toxic oriole]

Now I heard about Halzskaraptor or something, a strange mongolian dromaeosaur, yeah?

[late swallow]

The only place it was that wasn't Europe is Türkiye

[digital pendant]

bozasi lived in a much more modern african environment so I dont blame you

[toxic oriole]

Wow, thats a small semi-aquatic Unenlagian

[ancient ibex]

Halzskaraptorans are often found closer to Unenlagians fwiw, cool weird critters

[shell sonnet]

Yeah I know, but I thought I'd give it a check

for alt purposes

[toxic oriole]

Small guy

[digital pendant]

damn, am i being catalogued like a specimen or what 😂

[late swallow]

What is this sorcery

[late swallow]

I like learning about people

[digital pendant]

oof wouldnt work, bozasi likely had a much more functional trunk unlike giganteum

[digital pendant]

right

[shell sonnet]

you're not aware of paleobiodb

[hollow flower]

Yes google this is definetly a Deinotherium

[digital pendant]

just strange to make a public note of that like that

[late swallow]

I am I just didn't know they had a map

[toxic oriole]

WHY DOES IT SAY DEINOTHERIUM IS A LOOM?

[hollow flower]

Loom is animal in my language

[toxic oriole]

Oh okay

[shell sonnet]

that I didn't know, so thanks

[hollow flower]

That is kinda funny though

[late swallow]

Terrible Animal indeed

[digital pendant]

yeah bozasi likely had a trunk more like an elephant, giganteum though seems to have had a more primitive one based on the nasal structure

deinotherium was a very weird animal

[toxic oriole]

When I hear the word Loom, I think of the device thats built for weaving threads into fabric

Deinotherium fabricator confirmed???

[hollow flower]

Something about deinotherium inherently looks a little disturbing

[late swallow]

That's what a loom is in English, so yeab

[hollow flower]

I dont know what it is but its there

[ancient ibex]

Yeah, Deinotherium was NOT just an elephant with the tusks in a different jaw

[shell sonnet]

Well, it's not a elephant period

[proper raven]

weird in-between from early afrotheres which resembles an uncanny elephant with chin tusks and a sorta short trunk

[ancient ibex]

Mastodons did the parallel evo thing, but Deinotheres did it in a very uncanny way

[toxic oriole]

The unusuals

[ancient ibex]

Phiomia being closer to living elephants than Deinotherium is telling I swear

Weird beasts

[late swallow]

I still don't get the difference between Mammuthus and Mammut

[proper raven]

their teeth and their snout

[ancient ibex]

Mammuthus is the mammoth, Mammut is the mastodon

[silver steeple]

Biggest thing is the vast gulf in evolutionary distance

[late swallow]

Yes, I don't know the difference between them

[toxic oriole]

Yeah and Mammut translates to Mammoth in other languages from what I can see

[silver steeple]

Mastodons are much more basal

[digital pendant]

man you guys dont know how to explain 😂

[silver steeple]

They're also more stout and wide

[ancient ibex]

Mastodons are longer bodied

[toxic oriole]

Okay then megamind why don't YOU explain the differences??? >:(

[digital pendant]

mastodon was a wetland dwelling animal that had a more stocky build while mammoth like modern elephants are taller and more open habitat oriented

[silver steeple]

Like kinda cringe way to compare but if mammoths were humans, mastodons would be dwarves

[digital pendant]

mastodons and their family are shorter limbed and wider, mammoths like elephants are taller

[proper raven]

refer to the infographic at hand

[late swallow]

I looked it up

[ancient ibex]

Mastodon also literally means "breast tooth", while mammoths are elephants, so their teeth are the most telling difference, but that's not too visible in the life animal

[proper raven]

but yea mastodons are what everyone above said

[late swallow]

Mammoths also have knobs on their heads

[silver steeple]

Mastodons were also pretty much obligate browsers and mammoths practically obligate grazers

[digital pendant]

mammoth specifically was a grazing specialist animal heavily adapted to the steppe (for woollies at least)

[digital pendant]

yes like most elephants (extinct ones at least)

asian elephants posses them

loxodonta are the weird bunch for not having them

[ancient ibex]

Mammoths were elephants; not elephant relatives, but just gone species of elephants

[silver steeple]

^

[ancient ibex]

Mastodons were elephant relatives that looked similar at the surface as they parallel evolved some features, but were about as close to elephants as dugongs and manatees are

[late swallow]

E. maximus is closest living relative to Mammuthus spp. Iirc

[silver steeple]

Closer to asian elephants than anything else

[digital pendant]

think of mastodon as, the moose of proboscideans

[late swallow]

That is genuinely the most helpful thing

[shell sonnet]

Which moose

[digital pendant]

the moose

[toxic oriole]

The ones that go MOO of course

[late swallow]

Messe are weird as fuck

[digital pendant]

wetland living animal which mostly browses and consumes aquatic vegetation

[late swallow]

Also don't feed them

[proper raven]

youre not supposed to feed any wild animal

[toxic oriole]

Well why does the Mastodon need hair if its in a wetland environment?

[late swallow]

It still gets me that Orcas are a Moose's natural predator

[digital pendant]

protect the skin?

[toxic oriole]

... From what?

[late swallow]

It's a mammal

[shell sonnet]

moose can refer to different types of animals depending on your location, so I assume you're talking about Alces

[late swallow]

It has hair

See: coconut

[proper raven]

hair helps to regulate temperature, and protects the skin from damage and external parasites

[late swallow]

Alces alces mist likely

[digital pendant]

are you aware a lot of aquatic animals have hair right?

[silver steeple]

Funny thing is that the supposed Mastodon hair we have is very similar to moose and beaver fur

[proper raven]

even if probosicdeans likely dont need hair anymore due to how big they were

[toxic oriole]

I know seals and walruses do, it just struck me as odd with Mastodon

[digital pendant]

what other animal is even called moose other than alces??

[shell sonnet]

and milk

[silver steeple]

Now whether it is actually mastodon hair or not is a different story

[digital pendant]

lost of wetland animals have hair

[toxic oriole]

Then again

[ancient ibex]

I honestly believe that we may be overhairying our mastodons and underhairying our Columbian mammoths, specially after the recent genetic stuff on the later supporting sustained interbreeding with woollies

[toxic oriole]

Mammoth exists anyways

[silver steeple]

But it checks out

[digital pendant]

lechwe come to mind

[proper raven]

modern elephants still have hair technically

asian elephants can get hairy

[silver steeple]

Not even technically

[late swallow]

I think the train is in a ditch

[toxic oriole]

So they thinned out their hair for the Savannah environments, huh?

[silver steeple]

Some asian elephants get hairy as hell

[digital pendant]

is not really that its thin, its about the density within the animal skin

[ancient ibex]

Specially noticeable on juveniles

[shell sonnet]

I had it backwards, I was thinking of elk, which is what a moose is Europe

[toxic oriole]

I don't really know much about Proboscideans and Elephants in general, I just know some of the basics

even if i've seen an asian elephant in person before

[proper raven]

(keep in mind also the amount of integument mastodons would have is still not very delved into as a research topic iinm)

[late swallow]

I'm still mad about the fact that Elephas primigenius got renamed because some bozo was selling teeth

[digital pendant]

mastodon due to environment was definitely not woolly

[ancient ibex]

Hair lenght is also important for that; humans tend to have a similar hair density as chimps, but it is shorter even when it isn't peach fuzz

[digital pendant]

but hair is still within the realms of plausibility

[digital pendant]

yup

[proper raven]

nice photograph

[late swallow]

HOLD THE FUCK UP

[silver steeple]

Peak

[late swallow]

Elephants are the closest to Dugongs and Manatees?

[ancient ibex]

Gotta love the massive trunk base

[proper raven]

yes?

[digital pendant]

yeah they are in the same order

[ancient ibex]

Yup

[late swallow]

Wild

[late swallow]

Mirorder, even

[silver steeple]

Tethytheria yeah

Hyraxes just outside of that

[toxic oriole]

Alright heres what I was thinking about when I see Mastodon, I honestly thought it had a Mammoth thing going on with the fur, in that it had to be adapted to the cold, but from what I know Wetlands arent usually the coldest biomes are they?

[late swallow]

So when we get stellars, it can join Mammuthus in Afrotheria

[ancient ibex]

Proboscidea and Sirenia are traditionally considered separate orders, but that doesn't really mean anything; closest to each other, throw in hyraxes and Arsinoitherium and you've got paenungulata, the "lesser hooved" animals

[proper raven]

wetlands can still be cold during winter

[digital pendant]

mammoths lived in a constant and extremely cold environment without much forest cover

[silver steeple]

Afrotheria is a massive group

[ancient ibex]

primigenius was a hardcore specialist

[digital pendant]

mastodon lived in places that did get cold but were more seasonal and it being heavily forested can also help with the cold

[late swallow]

Tundra are very unfavourable to large plants

[silver steeple]

There's 2 very distinct branches, paeungulata and afroinsectiphilia

[toxic oriole]

What if... Tropical proboscidean

[silver steeple]

Paeungulata is where we're gonna get basically everything in the game

[ancient ibex]

Eh, third out of 4 major placental ones

[toxic oriole]

... Is there even a tropical proboscidean out there?

[ancient ibex]

Yeah, elephants

[silver steeple]

All living ones

[digital pendant]

....

[toxic oriole]

So Elephants can go into every other biome, neat

[late swallow]

Theria is massive

[toxic oriole]

See I wasn't lying when I said I didn't know much about em

[silver steeple]

I mean yes but that's not what I'm getting at

[ancient ibex]

I mean, yeah, it includes placentals and marsupials, and a bunch of other non-monotreme mammals

[silver steeple]

People tend to only think of afrothere = paeungulata

[ancient ibex]

The other branch is not as iconic for rep I believe

[silver steeple]

Yeah not even close

[sinful coyote]

More people need to know about Otter shrews

[silver steeple]

Most "iconic" afroinsectiphilian is like Aardvarks

[ancient ibex]

Ptolemaia interpreted as a carnivorous proto-aardvark could be interesting, but it is insanely niche and speculative

[silver steeple]

For good reason, they're cool critters

But there aren't many notable extinct afroinsectiphilians unfortunately

[late swallow]

Okay, I used the wrong word - even Placentalia is incredibly massive

[silver steeple]

Ptolemaids are cool but too frag to know much about external appearance

[shell sonnet]

I do like tenrecs, they're so cool

[late swallow]

So being the 3rd largest is still large

[proper raven]

150million years of evolution does that yea

[ancient ibex]

Ah the fake hedgehogs

[silver steeple]

Tenrecs are neat but idk if they have any especially notable extinct relatives do they

We do not talk about Peters Andrewsarchus

[proper raven]

[ancient ibex]

I reckon there was a time where hyaenodonts could be potentially afrotherians, but nowadays all the evidence points towards them being solid ferans

Other than that, yeah, as a rule "shrew"-shaped lineages are conservative across their entire record

The Madagascar "aardvark" appears to be a large tenrec, but it being mistaken for an aardvark tells how partial its remains are

[silver steeple]

It was specifically Hyainailouroids that were considered to be potentially afrotheres

But as you said they seem to just be ferans aligned with hyaenodonts now

[shell sonnet]

In any case, any good neighbors for D. giganteum

[silver steeple]

I believe Chalicotherium is one

[ancient ibex]

I am seriously considering a Paraceratherium/Deinotherim complex if the later makes it; relatively close in space and time, and quite distant from their living relatives

[silver steeple]

Would be neat tbh

Deinotheres did kinda take the mantle from Paraceratheres as well

Gigantic high browsers

[late swallow]

Wasn't Paraceratherium in Ice Age

[The movie]

[silver steeple]

I don't think so?

There was Macrauchenia tho

[proper raven]

hard to tell or remember

[silver steeple]

That's probably what you're thinking of

They were like huge for some reason

[shell sonnet]

I guess that or Anisodon would work

[late swallow]

Whatever this ugly fucker was

[silver steeple]

Yeah that's Mac

[silver steeple]

Not sure why you'd do Anisodon over Chalicotherium tbh

[shell sonnet]

Looks a hybrid of the two

[silver steeple]

Maybe as like an alt perhaps

[shell sonnet]

It's weirder and supposedly a lot of chalicotherium reconstructions are based on it

[silver steeple]

Even if reconstructions are based on it, we know that the devs don't really do that

Also how is it weirder

It looks practically the same from what I can tell with a quick glance online?

[ancient ibex]

Anisodon is where now C.grande is classified as, and I believe plenty of its restorations were based on that species, but don't quote me

[shell sonnet]

I thought that as well but wasn't sure

[silver steeple]

If we got Chalicotherium

We could get C. brevirostris from the Tunggur fm

Allowing Platybelodon grangeri

[late swallow]

Didn't Chali have both that high and low browswr

[silver steeple]

Afaik all derived chalicotheres were mid-high browsers

[late swallow]

On another note: If we do end up with Diplodocus, which species do you figure would be more likely

[shell sonnet]

carnegii

[silver steeple]

carnegii is the new type sp so that's what I expect

[shell sonnet]

but i want both

[reef relic]

Probably D. carnegii
With maybe D. hallorum as a subspecies?

[silver steeple]

*alt species

[reef relic]

Ye alt species ty for correction

[silver steeple]

I could see that, especially given it would probably come with a size difference

[reef relic]

And a not insignificant one at that

[shell sonnet]

I don't really see how you could make a good argument for hallorum over carnegii (no, size does not count)

[silver steeple]

No one said that

Carnegii would be the base

With one skin for hallorum

[ancient ibex]

We have 3 Camarasaurus, I don't see why we wouldn't get both Diplodocus, specially when both species are culturally significant on their own

[shell sonnet]

I'm just speaking outloud

[silver steeple]

Yup

[ancient ibex]

longus we can do without of course

[late swallow]

Aren't there only 2 valid

[silver steeple]

I could see them doing supersaurus instead of hallorum all together tho

[shell sonnet]

Question is could we get Baro as an alt

[ancient ibex]

dubium doesn't mean invalid

[reef relic]

Yeah, D. longus is a nomen dubium now

[silver steeple]

For all intents and purposes within the game it does

[ancient ibex]

Ugru

[reef relic]

Yeah that's a good point, Urgrunnaluk is disputed so maybe we could get things like Seismosaurus or Supersaurus

[silver steeple]

Ugru is not a good argument against

[ancient ibex]

But yeah, if you want to cover Diplo, you go with Dippy and Seismo

[silver steeple]

It was planned prior to being called such

[shell sonnet]

Super is still its own genera

[reef relic]

I'm thinking of Seismosaurus as the synonym aren't I?

[shell sonnet]

Most likely

[silver steeple]

Seismo is D. hallorum

[ancient ibex]

Yeah, Seismo doesn't hold up because the traits to diagnose it are found on Diplo

[silver steeple]

I could also see us get Kaatedocus as a dippy alt

[shell sonnet]

Still if you were a 90's kid, Seismo was the biggest of them all

[silver steeple]

Then there's good reason to get one with the spikes lol

Since those are probably from Kaate

[shell sonnet]

Where Kaateodcus sits is being debated though

[ancient ibex]

FWIW, the apatosaurs are quite more alike each other than the different diplodocine genera, in terms of alts; carnegei and hallorum is IMO good enough diversity, while Baro and specially Super get already quite distinct

[late swallow]

If we do get both species, I'd like to see a 2/2 split

[silver steeple]

Afaik its always found pretty close to dippy proper

Even if not closest

Not that being closest especially matters as seen with Juxia

[shell sonnet]

It's also been found as a Dicraeosaurid

[ancient ibex]

Yeah, it is... complicated

[silver steeple]

How often is that the case

I can also see them looking past that regardless tbh

[ancient ibex]

Its looks are covered by the juveniles as well

[silver steeple]

Same could be said for Juxia

[ancient ibex]

Indeed

[silver steeple]

Juxia has the mane, Kaate could get the spikes

[shell sonnet]

Twice I think

[late swallow]

I would also like one or both of the Morrison Ankylosaurs

[silver steeple]

Boom, different visuals

[late swallow]

Gargoyle if only one

[silver steeple]

I feel like that's probably well within the range of being a fluke ngl

[ancient ibex]

More common than the barosaur affinity tho

Which were found in analysis meant to work out Diplo-Apato splits as well

[silver steeple]

Yeah looking on Wikipedia, which actually notes this finding with a good description, and I'm inclined to not entirely believe this due to the amount of assumptions required to find that result

[plush nacelle]

Short primate-like skull and longer forelimbs giving anisodon more familiar appearance

[silver steeple]

The barosaur affinity is from Tshopp et al, who are generally regarded as extremely experienced in sauropod phylogeny

[plush nacelle]

Anisodon face in real life would be really weird

[silver steeple]

I would gladly put my faith more in them after reading the summary of the dicraeosaur findings

This is not to say Tshopp et al are not without flaw of course

[ancient ibex]

And the dicraeosaur affinites are also found by sauropod workers building upon the results of Tschopps

[silver steeple]

"To support their analysis, Whitlock and Wilson evaluated the characters that Kaatedocus supposedly shared with Diplodocidae: "antorbital fenestra with concave dorsal margin; a 'hooked' prefrontal; box-like basal tubera; and the elongate coel on posterior cervical neural spines." They found the first character to be a more general character diagnostic of Flagellicaudata, because it is currently unknown if dicraeosaurids possessed this feature. They believed that the second character, the hooked prefrontal, was incorrectly interpreted, and that the prefrontal is actually linear, similar to Dicraeosaurus. The presence of a box-like basal tubera was excluded as a character from their analysis because the original intent of the character was to distinguish Diplodocus and Apatosaurus, but in its current form, all other taxa exhibit intermediate morphologies. Lastly, the fourth character was also dismissed because it was unclear in its current definition and varied along the spinal column of all diplodocid taxa. Additionally, they independently test their results by conducting a supplemental analysis utilizing a modified dataset of Mannion et al. (2019)[8] which also recovered Kaatedocus within Dicraeosauridae."

[late swallow]

Amarga and Brachy are 10/10 Dicrae picks

[ancient ibex]

TTBT, Tschopps and Mateus tend to work with preconceptions, that's the image I posted before is all about

Mateus is one side of the coin of the Lourinha taxonomic inestability after all

(and, well, bit of a rotten egg: https://www.brytfmonline.com/allegations-against-a-dinosaur-scientist-who-has-suspended-his-jobs-at-the-science-and-technology-foundation-portugal/ )

[silver steeple]

At the end of the day though regardless of what we say, if the devs wanna do Kaate as a diplo alt, they'll just do it lol

[ancient ibex]

Oh yeah

[shell sonnet]

Yeah he's apparently a sex pest

[silver steeple]

Yikes

It is interesting that its been found as a dicraeo tho

I had no idea that was a thing

[coarse inlet]

No????

[ancient ibex]

I honestly prefer "insular titanosaur that can have neighbours" over "insular brachiosaur" or "another Morrison diplodocid" as a dwarf sauropod

[silver steeple]

I hope if we get dippy that they take into account the skin/scale findings that we've had recently

[coarse inlet]

Mammutids aren’t super close to elephants but they’re WAY closer than sirenians

[silver steeple]

He was meaning manatees and dugongs to each other

I don't blame you as I also read it that way at first

[late swallow]

I see that pretty likely

[ancient ibex]

Huh, sorry, thought I was clearer, my bad for the poor expression

[silver steeple]

Happens

[late swallow]

I wonder if Lindsay has done any Morrison, I doubt it with her at UAlberta

[ancient ibex]

Pigs/peccaries, elephants/mastodons, manatees/dugongs and rhinos/elasmotheres are pairs that roughly split from each other in the eocene/oligocene boundary, and as 2 of those pairs have both members still around, I tend to fall back to those

[ancient ibex]

Oh, Diplodocus getting feedback from Tess Ghallager would go hard

[silver steeple]

Fr

I think they might be here?

I know they're on discord

Aha they are

[coarse inlet]

Ah yeah that makes sense

[late swallow]

We thinking Thrinaxodon for the 'fuzzy Triassic critter'

[silver steeple]

Seems most likely

[shell sonnet]

Unless you desperately hope it's a pterosaur

[late swallow]

I don't have any hopes regarding it tbh

Whatever it is we get is gonna be cool as fuck

[silver steeple]

I guess it could also be a lagerpetid but it doesn't seem likely

[reef relic]

Well we'll hopefully get some kind of species reveal this Tuesday in the Devlog

[silver steeple]

Hopefully

God September went by so fast

[coarse inlet]

Yeah but no one ever said I’m not delusional

[quick ore]

Are there any other prosauropods/early sauropodomorphs that have a good shot of being added or is Plateosaurus going to likely be the only one

[silver steeple]

I could see one of the near-quadrupedal ones but that's about it

[coarse inlet]

Massospondylus and Riojasaurus are big enough names that I could see it happening but the only one I’d really see as likely is Eoraptor

[shell sonnet]

Actually, we all have it wrong, the fuzzy triassic critter is Rosamygale

[silver steeple]

Lmao

[silver steeple]

Ah yeah I guess that's an option

[toxic oriole]

A spider?

Oh hey

[coarse inlet]

Why is the google result including a one piece character

[shell sonnet]

Because they have a devil fruit that turns them into one

Really the author just wanted to make a spider enemy and chose a prehistoric one

[silver steeple]

TIL we have triassic deposits in France

[shell sonnet]

That's why I mentioned it (jokes aren't as funny if there's not a bit of truth in them)

[silver steeple]

Lmao

Oh this thing is from the same place as Mirasaura

[shell sonnet]

https://www.paulselden.net/uploads/7/5/3/2/7532217/rosamygale.pdf

[shell sonnet]

Masso does have more alt potential: Lufgengo, Sarahsaurus

[tough marsh]

theres also the big one

im blanking on the name

[wild relic]

Sarahsaurus goes well with Dilo

[tough marsh]

Yunnanosaurus

[late swallow]

Pantydraco is cool

[shell sonnet]

I thought about Yunnao but I chose Lufengo for the China rep

[tough marsh]

both are good

[silver steeple]

Why have yet another chinese dino when we could get glacialisaurus for antartic rep smh

[late swallow]

Love the unreadability of this

[tough marsh]

pfft

[wild relic]

Transparent background lol

[silver steeple]

Transparent background moment

[late swallow]

Real

[tough marsh]

i just want a biarmosuchian in PK

[fresh ember]

TBH, if it wasn'tn for P. gracilis, I'd probably suggest Mussaurus.

[tough marsh]

sorry for bringing them up so much

[late swallow]

Honestly not the biggest fan of P. gracilis' skin

[silver steeple]

Its a little too similar to the green trossingensis skin imo

[shell sonnet]

That is big I will say

[wild relic]

Stronk

[amber field]

Man !!! ... Cocos are such underrated creatures

If it was to me, I would create a whole expansion just for them

[late swallow]

Posto and Desmato, anyone?

[shell sonnet]

I thought those two were obvious

Then again, who knows

[steep tulip]

Begging on my knees for at least these 2

[shell sonnet]

Placerias would also be a good choice as well

[late swallow]

Real, flesh out the chinle a bit

[reef relic]

Desmato all the way!

[late swallow]

Maybe some fishes if we get that

[shell sonnet]

Drepanosaurus is also from there

A phytosaur would also be nice

[silver steeple]

https://tenor.com/view/hugugu-gif-9232832848542120416

[coarse inlet]

Smilosuchus would be my pick

[shell sonnet]

Hmm...
Koskinonodon/Buettneria/Anaschisma might be a good amphibian choice.

[late swallow]

Chinlea, Hemicalypterys

[coarse inlet]

And while we’re at it why not a poposauroid

[late swallow]

Fuck it, get the wood in too

[coarse inlet]

Honestly yeah

[silver steeple]

Ok but genuinely

[flint sable]

for a second I thought that said butteria

[coarse inlet]

Both paleoflora and petrified wood decorations would rule

[flint sable]

like butter

[late swallow]

Same

[silver steeple]

Actual petrified wood would be sick

[late swallow]

Oh I was just thinking butt

[late swallow]

Real

[coarse inlet]

Petrified wood pillars and seating

That’d be sick

[silver steeple]

[late swallow]

We have the Formation thar encompasses PEFO and no petrified wood

What a crime

[late swallow]

Which smilo?

[coarse inlet]

Both

[late swallow]

You mean all 3?

[shell sonnet]

(A) Coelocanth Chinlea sorenseni AMNH 5652 (Schaeeer, 1967, pl. 26) from the Church Rock Member of Lisbon Valley. (B) Un-numbered lungsh tooth from the Monitor Butte Member of GSENM. (C) Un-numbered lungsh tooth form the Owl Rock Member of CARE (Kirkland and others, 2014a, gure 22). Actinopterygiian sh from the Church Rock Member of Lisbon Valley: (D) Hemicalypteris weiri USNM 23425 (Gibson, 2015, gure 1a). (E) Cionichthys dunklei AMNH 5615 (Schaeeer, 1967, pl. 11). (F) Semionotus sp. AMNH 5680 (Schaeeer, 1967, pl. 22). Scale bars = 1 cm.

[coarse inlet]

I meant a thin snouted and a tall snouted species

[late swallow]

Oh i saw chinlea

[late swallow]

Good choices

[toxic oriole]

Tiny filler fish for aquariums I guess

[coarse inlet]

(I was also misremembering these being the only two species for some reason)

[late swallow]

Goldfish bowls for the carnie games

[late swallow]

They're the two closer related and more popular

[silver steeple]

Arganodus looks like the love child of an arapaima and a lungfish

[late swallow]

It does and I want one

[shell sonnet]

It is a lungfish

[silver steeple]

I am aware

[late swallow]

What was the purpose of this btw

[shell sonnet]

Fish samples for Chinle

[late swallow]

Oh yeah I was looking at the biota list

Hemicalypteris looks fuckin weird and I love him

I love how chinle gets everyone hype

[shell sonnet]

My gut instinct is always find a skeletal/fossil any time I come across a prehistoric animal. It gives me a better sense of the animal

[late swallow]

Fair

[shell sonnet]

I've just gotten too wary about wiki pictures and the like.

[late swallow]

I do think Drepano is a good add to the game ftr

[late swallow]

3rd times the charm

There's so much cool shit at chinle

[junior glacier]

Did Mau tease a fuzzy Triassic guy or did I miss it in a dev log/patrron

[shell sonnet]

Yeah the only competition it has for a Drepanosauromorph is Longisquama, and if that one is too small or Drepano has those long scales

[late swallow]

Teased in riddle

[silver steeple]

A while back now

[late swallow]

Arguably

Melancosaurus

[silver steeple]

Nah

[late swallow]

Or however it's spelled

I doubt drep is coming in u16

[shell sonnet]

It would be a post-EA animal

As part of a Chinle pack or something

[late swallow]

Yeah

Chinle pack would insta sell

[shell sonnet]

Chinle is like one of the few groups/formations where you could probably build a pack around because there's just so much there.

[late swallow]

A handful of formations that could

DPP, HC, and Morrison couldn't tbh

Not enough of note left to fill an xpac each

HC you have what, Anzu?

[shell sonnet]

Thsecleosaurus, Lepto

[late swallow]

Acheroraptor if you just want to sell velo again

Dentary and ref. mandible

Or vice versa

[late swallow]

Ornitho

[shell sonnet]

DPP probably could get it's own pack: you've still got Chasmosaurus, Euoplocephalus (both of which have alts there), Stenonychosaurus, Stegoceras as new genera, Cory and Centro as alts to existing ones, Gorgo and Dromeo, though better alts of them exist

[coarse inlet]

Disagree strongly about Morrison

[late swallow]

Trierarchuncus for an alvarezsaur

[coarse inlet]

And DP

[late swallow]

That was a bitch to type

[shell sonnet]

I'm not a fan of O. velox. It's far less complete compared to edmontonicus or S. altus; the latter you could squeeze into DPP (because the Oldman formation shares a lot of species with it)

[late swallow]

I'm just grabbing the names that stand out

I'm also going off of xpac size around 10 spp

[coarse inlet]

Yeah also plenty of vivarium stuff too

[late swallow]

So yeah I see where you're coming from, a lot more than I remember

[shell sonnet]

Yeah, I was just restricting myself to habitat dinos that are on the wish list.

[coarse inlet]

HC also has non dinos

Champsosaurus would be awesome

[late swallow]

Cerato, Campto, Dippy, who else from Morrison?

[shell sonnet]

Orintholestes

[slim flare]

Should Protocyon be pushed more? After dire wolves, of course

Morrison dream team:
Ornitholestes
Ceratosaurus
Diplodocus
Camptosaurus

[late swallow]

Forgot lestes

[shell sonnet]

Also if there's room, Marshosaurus, Baro and Gargoyle

[slim flare]

I kinda want one of the Ankylosaurs but eh, least concern

[late swallow]

Oh fucking duh gargoyle

Mymoor if we stretch it

Enigma or nano?

[silver steeple]

Even being less complete that just leaves it with alt potentially tbh

[late swallow]

Idk if that's worth adding with ornitholestes and dryo

[shell sonnet]

Morrison of course has plenty of non-dinos

[coarse inlet]

Ceratosaurus, Camptosaurus, Diplodocus, Ornitholestes, Tanycolagreus, Gargoyleosaurus, Barosaurus, Enigmacursor, Hesperornithoides, Hallopus

[shell sonnet]

Yeah, Hallopus would be a good vivarium addition

[late swallow]

Dacentrurus?

[shell sonnet]

Alcovo?

[coarse inlet]

Alcovo is a mess but maybe

[late swallow]

Which is Miragaia which is Dacen

[slim flare]

Nanosaurus is dubious unfortunately

[shell sonnet]

I mean as an alt to longicollum maybe

[slim flare]

I would kinda want whatever they end up calling Othneilla

[silver steeple]

Ironically, the Dacen-Mira lump was to the exclusion of Alcova

[steep tulip]

Mira is the iberian one and dacen is the british one
One known from the upper half and the other from the lower half lol

[slim flare]

That whole thing needs a nice big revision

[silver steeple]

Yeah

[late swallow]

Wild

[shell sonnet]

Not exactly... we have remained labeled as Dacen from Iberia

[slim flare]

Get all the specimens and all the experts in one room and don’t let them out until they have a consensus

[coarse inlet]

People will die

[steep tulip]

We do but idk how much I trust it as dacentrurus proper

[slim flare]

Did I stutter?

[steep tulip]

We also have it from france and some other locations

[late swallow]

Longicollum is D. longicollim for now

[slim flare]

With the conspicuously sharpened thagomizers

[late swallow]

Isn't that just the natural order of things

[coarse inlet]

Ehhhh not really

[late swallow]

People die, that's how time and biology work

[silver steeple]

According to a single source so far

[shell sonnet]

Sure, but not as bad as if we had to untangle Mamechi's mess

[late swallow]

Mamenchi is also cool as fuck and I want one

[coarse inlet]

And it’s actively disputed

Yes I agree

[silver steeple]

There's still a lot of "Miragaia" remains under study, so it's still under review

[coarse inlet]

Mamenchi is good

I mean not scientifically

[late swallow]

Isn't there one in the Fm. with Charon?

[coarse inlet]

But for the game

[silver steeple]

What

[coarse inlet]

No that’s WAY too late

[silver steeple]

Mamenchisaurids don't even make it to the end of the Jurassic iirc

[shell sonnet]

Yeah the problem is there's like 50 different classifications of it.

[silver steeple]

Oh yeah Mamenchi as a taxon is a fucking disaster lmao

[hollow furnace]

"memenchi" is Shaximao with Yang and the stegos and Shishugou with Guan and Limu as its notable formations

[late swallow]

Okay yeah I was thinking Shaximiao

Brain is fucked

[coarse inlet]

And is probably what killed Guanlong and Limusaurus lmao

[steep tulip]

I'm still of the idea that as long as the mira/dacen issue isn't properly resolved, it's worth having both of them in
If mira is just dacen but spain, I would say just mira would be fine then

[coarse inlet]

Indirectly anyway

[hollow furnace]

yeah it's wacko

[late swallow]

We also get the big 4 sinostegos from Shaximiao

[coarse inlet]

Animal so big it kills you by having passed the area by yesterday

[shell sonnet]

Yeah but those are different species and sinocanadorum is probably the furthest from the type

[hollow furnace]

Yes, hence why "memenchi" is in quotes

[late swallow]

Huayang, Gigantspino, Chungking, Tuojiang

Which like, no limit to resources, I want all 4

[shell sonnet]

And of course there's the best part of Shaximiao

[late swallow]

But I think if I had to pick one, it'd be Huayangosaurus

[tame thorn]

Id love to see amargasaurus or bajadasaurus

[silver steeple]

Shuno is such a neat animal

Just a silly guy

[late swallow]

Amatga 100%, bajada isn't even 3rd for my Dicrae picks

[shell sonnet]

Better do the former; the latter is .... eh.

[silver steeple]

I mean

[late swallow]

3rd is Dicrae itself

[silver steeple]

Alts

[tame thorn]

Of course is prefer amarga as we have more fossils of it

[coarse inlet]

Amargasaurus Dicraeosaurus and Brachytrachelopan are all better yeah

[silver steeple]

Very easy alts actually

[late swallow]

Brachy is just so fucking weird

[silver steeple]

I would never expect Bajada to be it's own thing

[late swallow]

Yeah 2/1 split Amarga/Bajada wouldn't be terrible

[steep tulip]

Bajada is also just a skull and a vertebrae which means it's hard to consider it as its own pick since you are going to be using amarga as a ref anyway

[tame thorn]

Of say we have a really good amount of material for amargasaurus

[steep tulip]

But I don't think it's a bad alt

Almost on the level of feathered pachy

But it looks cool

[late swallow]

A rather complete sauropod

[silver steeple]

I wonder if they'd pull an Elasmo on Amarga

[shell sonnet]

Look, I'm probably one of the most pro-alt people here, so when I say Amarga deserves 3 skins, I mean it.

[silver steeple]

One skin with spikes, one sails, and a Bajada alt

[late swallow]

Could see this

But I do agree that amarga deserves all 3

[They definitely don't deserve a 4skin slot ino]

[silver steeple]

Most animals deserve 3 skins

[coarse inlet]

A Tendaguru mini pack with Dicraeosaurus, Elaphrosaurus, Kentrosaurus, and a Dysalotosaurus alt for Dryo would be fun

[late swallow]

Oh ew

[steep tulip]

And giraffatitan alt for brachiosaurus

[shell sonnet]

you forget Giraffatitan, please turn in your dino fan card

[steep tulip]

Please devs

Don't make me have kentro without giraffatitan

[late swallow]

I thought about how I phrased what I said

[coarse inlet]

Oh shit I had a HUGE brain fart there

I was like “I know there’s something else important eh I’m probably not missing much”

Yes and Giraffatitan obviously

[shell sonnet]

Should have been there at launch

[coarse inlet]

Fair

[shell sonnet]

Kem Kem, Erhalz, Tendaguru, Maevarano and Elliot are the five must have Mesozoic Africa locations. Maybe Tiourarén as well.

[silver steeple]

Looks like there are some funky proportional differences

[flint sable]

indeed

besides, PK added Brachiosaurus as the real brachiosaurus

which I think was a good move on their part

[silver steeple]

Agreed

[slim flare]

Mhm

[flint sable]

if they added Girafftitan that would kinda like

idk

not really take away from brachi but like

idk

[hollow flower]

Europasaurus would also be a nice alt

[slim flare]

Giraffititan with Kentrosaurus tho

[hollow flower]

(even though its pretty much like 40-50% ontogeny)

[silver steeple]

Sure

But you could do giraffa as its own animal as well

[steep tulip]

Kinda fear someone one day will do a proper analysis of all elements attributed to brachiosaurus and all that's gonna get back is the holotype lol

[slim flare]

Where would the skull go?

[hollow flower]

Haplocanthosaurus

[steep tulip]

Idk
From the looks of it they assigned a lot of isolated elements to brachiosaurus
There's very little overlap so they might belong to different species

[shell sonnet]

Considering the fact that so much of altithorax is filled in by branchi, I'd say it's the other way around

[steep tulip]

Or maybe we find one decent skeleton and we indeed confirm its all brachiosaurus

[slim flare]

Don’t we have a potential juvenile or something?

[late swallow]

Anime girl skeletal

[hollow flower]

Let me read through hold on

[steep tulip]

Not sure

[shell sonnet]

you prefer this one

[hollow flower]

Doesnt seem to mention any juveniles but this book is also from 2020

[hollow furnace]

You can tell the quality of any skeletal by the presence or absence of anime girls

They're a load-bearing part of the paleocommunity

[silver steeple]

[late swallow]

I just thought it was funny

[tough marsh]

What are yall thoughts on non Russian clade Gorgonopsians getting in

[late swallow]

Do what now

[left spear]

Other gorgonopsians that aren't Inostrancevia and the other popular ones

[tough marsh]

Nah just Ino the rest of the Russian clade isn’t that popular

[left spear]

Eh

I would like Lycaenops

Smaller cool fella

Maybe as an alt

[tough marsh]

If it was less of a mess yeah would be cool

[late swallow]

Ino also exists in south africa

[left spear]

It's also from South africa which is a region that is probably not gonna get many animals

[tough marsh]

It’s considered Russian clade though

[left spear]

The popular ones are the russians ones

[tough marsh]

Gorgonopsian cladistics are fun

[left spear]

Like sure ig you could give them a SA digsite but i'd rather only have them in Perm and have a SAn alt

[tough marsh]

There’s plenty from South Africa

Kirkwood, TAZ CAZ Molteno , the one site with the bear, Elliet

Waterloo

[left spear]

I mean... Realistically it's like 3 permians and Bluebuck and Quagga that we are getting from anywhere below the congo

(ignoring Madagascar)

[tough marsh]

I could see Heterodontosaurus

[left spear]

Yeah that one is possible aswell

[tough marsh]

Erythrosuchus

[quick ore]

Lystrosaurus too

[late swallow]

Gorgonops itself I could see as a vivarium species

Tbh I don't see the draw of Gorgonopsians

[reef relic]

Is it really that small? I thought it was at least the size of a large dog.

[silver steeple]

I think this is about right?

[late swallow]

Yeah, Bout a metre which puts it in viv range

They also have short strides due to their shoulders

[silver steeple]

Like a small dog

I like to imagine it running around like a terrier

[reef relic]

Oh hell, I always thought it was closer to like, Labrador size

[silver steeple]

On and since I found it

[reef relic]

I don't know where I got that notion.

[silver steeple]

Here's Ino for reference

[late swallow]

Remember, 96m² is massive

[reef relic]

Yeah Ino is the size of a black bear

That's one that would probably manage as an exhibit animal.

[late swallow]

Definitely

[silver steeple]

Oh certainly

People would riot if it wasn't lol

[late swallow]

3m long, metre high, that's anky sized almost

[reef relic]

Or do what they did with the Carboniferous bugs and just give us an Inostrancevia statue and nothing else

[hollow furnace]

lol

[reef relic]

The largest species of Lystrosaurus could make it as an exhibit animal too.

[hollow furnace]

yep

Apparently multiple species were large, which makes me more interested in getting it

Including the actually trans-extinction species

[late swallow]

Imagine riding one of those like a pony

[late swallow]

[reef relic]

Lystrosaurus is woke?? The Permian is woke??

Leogorgon is one helluva name never seen it before

[tough marsh]

heads up dont trust any of this

[tough marsh]

iirc it doesnt exist

[reef relic]

Depression.

[shell sonnet]

Any reason

[hollow furnace]

always has been

[shell sonnet]

I'm fine with deleting it

[quick ore]

I mean, the art is clearly quite old

[tough marsh]

this pieces are normally just badly made

and inaccurate

[reef relic]

Wait until those paleoconservatives figure out fish can change their genders too

[shell sonnet]

Very well, I'm just trying to find a good pic with both Inostrancevia alexandri/latifrons

[tough marsh]

heres the material Kammerer 2015 states that it might not even be a gorgonopsian

[late swallow]

What did I miss

[tough marsh]

irrc Dan folkes did 2 skeletals

[late swallow]

Also this looks like a pigs nose

[tough marsh]

its a braincase fragment

you want me to scale quickly pineapple

[shell sonnet]

Ah that helps, thanks

[tough marsh]

heres the african species

[shell sonnet]

Oh wow, this is nice

[silver steeple]

Dan makes phenomenal stuff

I love his Theri

Really hope pk uses it ngl

Has a whole blog post on his "design decisions" too

https://www.thecodontia.com/blog/reconstructing-the-giant-sloth-dinosaur-therizinosaurus

[late swallow]

I really hope to see more therizinosaurs than just the type

[quick ore]

I would hope so

[shell sonnet]

Neimongosaurus, Nothronychus

[quick ore]

having one with better material would be great alongside it

[late swallow]

Like my top pick isn't even a therizinosaurid

[shell sonnet]

Falcarius

[silver steeple]

Falc squad

[tough marsh]

oh yeah sadie

[quick ore]

Suzhousaurus is fairly complete

aside from the head and neck

[late swallow]

Hm?

[late swallow]

Neimong, Nothro, Beipiao, list goes on

[tough marsh]

this is the gorgon phylogany

[late swallow]

Hey! Chevrons!

[late swallow]

Yeah I was looking at it kn wiki

[silver steeple]

Was I. latifrons just not tested for this?

[shell sonnet]

It's a more fragmentary species

[silver steeple]

Ah I see

I dunno if I've ever seen a rigorous skeletal or anything of it

[late swallow]

Probably lumped with alexandri for the phylogenetic analysis

[shell sonnet]

Such is the nature of most prehistoric non-dinos

[tough marsh]

thats most permian taxa

[silver steeple]

Well yes but I don't think you know what I'm referring to by rigorous

A rigorous skeletal shows the known material

Usually colored in with white, while the inferred is gray

[silver steeple]

Like so

[late swallow]

Also genuinely think things like this multicoloured one can be incredibly helpful for showing how many specimens it takes to get a good picture of the animal

[silver steeple]

Yeah if that's the intent of the picture

[late swallow]

yeah thats what i was talking about

[coarse inlet]

Permian and Early Triassic South African stuff is very popular

[coarse inlet]

Oh you’ll find skeletals of them

Just

Not ones you should pay attention to

[shell sonnet]

Yeah, you can make an early T beaufort group with Proterosuchus and Lystro and a mid T one with Kannemeyeria, Cynognathus and Erythrosuchus

[tough marsh]

Cynognathus is from the same AZ as Erythro

[shell sonnet]

You're right; I've seen it too often on those pangaea fossil maps for high school that my brain assumed it was early T

Still that's five habitat non-late Triassic animals from South Africa (plus L. murrayi as a mini)

[ancient ibex]

Early Triassic is pretty much the immediate post-extinction time

[shell sonnet]

Yeah, I know it and mid-Triassic combined are shorter than late T

[ancient ibex]

Yeah, the late triassic is about 75% of the total span of the period; Herrerasaurus and co are about the earlier stuff from there

But yeah, first 12 MY of the triassic have neat stuff, Cynognathus' praises will be sung lol

[reef relic]

Y'know, Cynognathus could end up being that furry Triassic terrarium dude. Probably not as likely as Thrinaxodon but still a possibility.

[shell sonnet]

Cynognathus is about 2 m long from snout to tail. That's big enough for a regular habitat animal. Thrinaxodon is quite a bit smaller.

[ancient ibex]

Cynognathus is also quite bulkier than a dinosaur of its lenght

[silver steeple]

Pet da dog

[late swallow]

https://tenor.com/view/hand-pet-gif-7488179069056471401

[reef relic]

I should really look at the size of an animal before mentioning it I straight up always thought of Cynognathus as a little like, Simosuchus-sized dude

[flint sable]

actually that brings up the question

was thrinaxodon even fuzzy?

iirc it was basal enough to where it probably didnt have full hair covering its body

probably whiskers though

[shell sonnet]

I think there's evidence in the bones of whiskers like structures at minimum.
Also we've found hair like structures in coprolite from the late permain that's pre-mammialian.
https://www.scup.com/doi/10.1111/let.12156

@tough marsh

[late swallow]

don't we have thrina mummy

[toxic oriole]

"The Originals" DLC
Focused on adding the first discovered prehistoric animals and extinct ones into a pack, mammal or other animal you name it

Megalosaurus (Even if its a nothingburger, its still the first dinosaur to have been discovered and described, which you could say is a saving grace I guess)
Pterodactylus (First Pterosaur, also worth mentioning)
Cetiosaurus (First Sauropod, or at least one of them)
Yeah I don't know any other ones that were discovered as fossils, though Mosasaurus is one of them yet that guy might be coming in that Aquatic n Arial expansion anyways

... Maybe flora as well

I don't really know

[median relic]

hylaeosaurus

hadrosaurus

[toxic oriole]

I don't want it to just be dinosaurs or pterosaurs

Then again I can see Pterodactylus coming anyways

[median relic]

well

[toxic oriole]

There IS a ground sloth that I think was discovered earlier?

Like, VERY old

[median relic]

fossils of cenozoic animals were known from a lot earlier in time so I think it's more ambiguous which come first

[median relic]

pretty sure megalonyx was named by Thomas Jefferson himself

and since extinction wasn't known back then he told Lewis and Clark to tell him if they found any alive

[toxic oriole]

To no ones surprise, they did not find any

[median relic]

they found only one but it was dying and they walked up to it, it said in perfect english "no one will ever believe you"

[toxic oriole]

EHEHEHHEHE

And then it decomposed into darkness

[median relic]

still it was so funny when my dog did this lmao 🥀

[quick ore]

the first fossils ever discovered and correctly identified in north america were found in 1725 by african slaves in South Carolina

[silver steeple]

Tbf, he also thought it was an enormous lion and warned them accordingly

[toxic oriole]

... If only he knew there used to be some Lions present

[quick ore]

they found mammoth teeth and correctly identified them as teeth from an elephant, which their enslavers couldn't identify and weren't familiar with.

[toxic oriole]

They didn't find a true elephant, but they did find a relative

A long gone one

:(

[median relic]

|| O H ||

[median relic]

huh???

how did bro think this was a lion

[quick ore]

why do you think it was called "Megalonyx"?

[median relic]

isn't this where the cyclops legend came from lol

[quick ore]

what

no

[median relic]

big claw

it has big claws, sloths have big claws

not like it's named after lions

[median relic]

well, not the teeth, but the skulls of dwarf elephants/mammoths iirc

[quick ore]

well

that idea has been called into question

and also happened an ocean away

in the mediterranean

[median relic]

it holds more merit than the protoceratops griffin thing at least imo

[median relic]

that is fair

[coarse inlet]

It's FAR more likely that the cyclops myth already existed and someone at some point identified elephant bones as belonging to a creature which already existed in their mythology

[coarse inlet]

I think there's good evidence of indigenous groups identifiying fossils at least to some extent independently of europeans, though IDK when that happened

[silver steeple]

Cause he only had the claw

[quick ore]

oh ofc I don't doubt that but idk any examples of it

[median relic]

oh

ok nvm lol

[coarse inlet]

I just had a thought about how non amniote habitat animals could be handled

Basically have larvae as an extended phase of reproduction similar to eggs, with the survivors appearing as autonomous animals once they’re well enough into their metamorphosis to be put into the ontogeny system

Megaquarium does something like this with its breedable fish

[coarse inlet]

What are some good boreal climate species

[silver steeple]

Are we counting things that the devs will likely make boreal or purely irl boreal

[reef relic]

April Fools addition - Scrotum Humanum

[sharp dock]

Falcatakely would be such an insanely cool pick

Prehistoric toucan

[silver steeple]

*Toothcan

[waxen mango]

I’d like to see Sivatherium in the Prehistoric Kingdom game.

[left spear]

This coloration slaps ngl

And yeah Siva is like the African mammal to add

[ancient ibex]

Sharovipteryx may be memetic, but it IS a very interesting critter I hope to see eventually

[left spear]

That wording makes It sound as if Sharovipteryx itself is an Infohazard

[late swallow]

its 4chan, what else did you expect

[ancient ibex]

Meme is also 16 years old

[shell sonnet]

It's nice, but I still have my heart on Kuehneosuchus latissimus as the gliding "lizard" for the game

[ancient ibex]

They are quite different tho

[late swallow]

that wasn't being argued

[feral cedar]

Aw hell nah we got Sivatherium fan art

Now Mau HAS to add it

Drawing the damn thing is genuinely more effort than most people here apply, myself included

I commend you, good sir o7

[late swallow]

be real, its a cool ass animal

[feral cedar]

It is

[ancient ibex]

It is readily understandable as "there is room for both without being redundant"

[late swallow]

i am autistic

[ancient ibex]

My bad, thanks for the heads up

[toxic oriole]

You too, huh?

[late swallow]

very

[toxic oriole]

:D

[ancient ibex]

(And, fwiw, already understood you were refering to yourself before editing, but can relate to the fear of being misunderstood)

[late swallow]

We get misunderstood a lot here especially, just wanted to be extra clear

[ancient ibex]

No issues whatsoever, and understanding there are neurodivergences makes communication better for all parts anyway; AFAIK this server is a safe space as well

[left spear]

Even more on this Channel where you get crucified for having a slightly unpopular opinion

[ancient ibex]

Yeah, bit guilty, but that's mostly misaimed annoyance at corpo slop culture in general (and old age lol)

[late swallow]

i do think both of those lizards are really cool

[left spear]

I don't see Both of those getting in (only one) but i do want both

[shell sonnet]

You have no right to complain about old age

[late swallow]

The way things are looking, i can see a lot of minis coming in DLCs down the line for a lot less dev cost

[ancient ibex]

Got my card after being a regular at my physiotherapist for back pains bwahaha

[late swallow]

https://tenor.com/view/chess-blunder-falling-falling-from-chair-world-rapid-blitz-gif-24317443

this is yall

[flint sable]

megatherium is one of the oldest scientificially described extinct species

other species like mammoths were technically known about earlier but werent scientificially described

[plush nacelle]

Mostly pleistocene stuff

Mylodon, macrauchenia, upland moa and such

[coarse inlet]

What about Paleozoic or early Aptian?

[silver steeple]

Permian Karoo could work?

Ah no nvm

Warm and seasonally arid

[flint sable]

the carboniferous got pretty cold actually

maybe some stuff from there

[digital pendant]

Boreal is gonna be one of those biomes its gonna have fewer animals compared to the rest and tbh thats completely fine

[silver steeple]

It's unfortunate but yeah that's the case with basically every zoo game tbh

[quick ore]

unlike typical zoo games there is going to be like, a major inherent bias for certain biomes where species can be pulled from

[shell sonnet]

Nah even normal zoo games have biome biases

[quick ore]

like rainforests and alpine regions will be a lot less represented versus places like floodplains

[shell sonnet]

see savanna

[quick ore]

ok but it isn't as inherent

the savanna bias is because of the reliance on hoofstock and because Africa has the most megafauna/popular zoo animals

[silver steeple]

Alpine also isn't a biome tbf

Would be lumped into boreal in like 90% of cases

[quick ore]

true but something akin to like, a mountain goat would be very unlikely to fossilize

[ancient ibex]

I honestly wouldn't complain if Mutta got compatibility with it, but, fair

[silver steeple]

Sure

[shell sonnet]

The thing about PK is that the devs can play around with the biome options; I doubt Iggy lived in grasslands and P. perotorum in an actual boreal like environment and yet here we are

[silver steeple]

We do have animals from high elevation environments that have fossilized though

Like the entire Yixian

[quick ore]

I still think Mutta could have had a skin with some fuzz

or at least have fuzzy babies

[silver steeple]

That's the reason that if we ever get Cryo I really expect it to have Boreal as one of its biomes

Irl the area was quite temperate at the time

[ancient ibex]

Yeah, it is a imitation ankylopollexian and IMO anything that makes it look alien next to Iggy, Ourano and the hadros is a win for me, but, can't REALLY complain

[shell sonnet]

Even in games based on real animals, there should be a spread of different biome options. Leopards live in tropical rainforests, savannas, deserts, scrublands and non-savanna grasslands. And yet, the most zoo games either make it unhappy if it's not in its pre-selected one (ZT) or less happy (ZT2)

[tame thorn]

Kulindadromeus could be a good boreal addition

[coarse inlet]

was there ice in the bathonian?

[coarse inlet]

Yixian is also Barremian-Aptian, so there were ice caps for some of that time

[tame thorn]

hm I just reread about kulin, I thought it was antarctica but it was Siberia. My bad.

I would be all for cyolophosaurus though

we need some more carnis that are dilo size

[coarse inlet]

True

[tame thorn]

Carnivores I would be happy to see

• Ceratosaurus
• Cryolophosaurus
• Australovenator
• Rugops
• Herrerasaurus
• Kileskus
• Balaur Bondoc

[coarse inlet]

I’d prefer Cryo to be a coastal/temperate species tbh

[coarse inlet]

If Balaur was a carnivore anyway

[tame thorn]

true

[coarse inlet]

Cerato is definitely top of my wishlist

Such a weird animal

I always liked Kileskus based on the art I saw of it but then I learned what I liked about it was entirely speculative

[tame thorn]

for herbis

• Shantungosaurus
• Maiasaurus
• Zuul
• Kentrosaurus

[coarse inlet]

It’s not much of anything sadly

[tame thorn]

tbh we don't have much of dilophosaurus either, or pachycephalosaurus

or has that changed

[coarse inlet]

I mean we have enough to know their general appearance

[coarse inlet]

Dilo actually has a good amount

Would Arctotherium angustidens be boreal? It’s from the Southern Cone in the Pleistocene but I don’t know how cold Buenos Aires was back then

[toxic oriole]

The one that musnt.

[tame thorn]

Three A. angustidens individuals were discovered in a paleoburrow together (postulated to have been a mother with adolescent cubs), which opens the possibility that A. angustidens used dens for hibernation.

[coarse inlet]

Neat

But bears hibernate in temperate climates too

[tame thorn]

this seems more relvant to discuss in science chat.

[coarse inlet]

I mean I’m asking because I’m trying to make a list of boreal animals I’d like in the game

[silver steeple]

Arctotherium tarijense is definitely far enough south to have been boreal

Same for Macrauchenia

[digital pendant]

megatherium could use boreal as well

since it lived in the andes

[silver steeple]

Megatherium the GOAT

[abstract compass]

that'd be sick

but yeah boreal is the most difficult biome to fill out, because those conditions are seeminly rare in the past 200m years while tropical temperatures were much more common.

i still joke with Latenivenatrix being added as a troodon alt or something just to get a raptor-like theropod into the boreal biome

[inner wedge]

it is also a good justification for nanuqsaurus to be added, like it or not

[slim flare]

I rather not have The Jaw

[amber field]

tbh , boreal as we know it, it is too recent and most of its fauna still living

[shell sonnet]

Any good recently extinct boreal ones though? I thought about the aurochs but that seems it seems to have only lived at the edge of what would be considered boreal.

[quick ore]

maybe the japanese wolf? idk

[amber field]

Homotherium

[shell sonnet]

That's not recently extinct.

[mint creek]

Steller's sea cow?

[quick ore]

I mean fact is, not much has really gone extinct recently in boreal biomes

[shell sonnet]

I guess that works but I can't say I'd be thrilled to get an extinct subspecies

[quick ore]

I mean yeah me neither but you asked

[shell sonnet]

Marine based, so no

[amber field]

Tarpan ?

[shell sonnet]

I guess that probably counts.

(Again, not thrilled about it)

[steep tulip]

Cave hyena kinda?

It survived into the holocene

Idk if they counts

[outer moth]

I'd say the Great Auk probably is boreal

[shell sonnet]

I nominate Lagomeryx as a mini for a Miocene Asia (or Europe) pack, which is similar to but not related to the modern mouse deer

[steep tulip]

This one cool

[buoyant vault]

ik its a subspecies but i feel like the pyrenean ibex would be a somewhat decent pick for a recently extinct boreal species

[quick ore]

no

[buoyant vault]

[quick ore]

and why are we talking about this like it is necessary?

the pyrenean ibex would be a waste, there's nothing about it that is actually unique besides the circumstances of its extinction

it didn't even look that distinct

[buoyant vault]

tbf i dont think its a must-have or a good pick, even

[quick ore]

no I mean

"it" as in a boreal species for the RE dlc

[buoyant vault]

the prompt was recently extinct boreal species and given how they lived in mountainous areas they were the first species i thought of

the only thing they’ve really got going for them is the circumstances of their extinction lol

[quick ore]

exactly

Since there are much better choices otherwise I don't think any boreal biome species are worth considering for the dlc pack

[shell sonnet]

Looks like the Lagomeryx from Asia are larger than the European ones, and pass for full habitat.

[buoyant vault]

lowk lago would be really cool

they’re neat

[shell sonnet]

The better studied ones are from Germany and only a few kgs in weight but the China ones (which is where that fossil is from) are maybe about musk deer size (probably still mini). I can't find much on the large one from Thailand.

[plush nacelle]

How likely it would be for some pleistocene australian megafauna to get boreal tag due to tasmania and australian alps?

Something like this

[digital pendant]

diprotodon proper

it ranged everywhere in australia so a lot of biome tags could be used for it

[plush nacelle]

I imagine thylacoleo also would. Not sure about kangaroo species

[quick ore]

pretty sure that Papua has a wide assortment of biomes too but idk if any count as boreal

[silver steeple]

As in New Guinea?

[quick ore]

yes

[silver steeple]

Then almost certainly not

[plush nacelle]

Maybe maokopia

[quick ore]

the island of Papua

[silver steeple]

Never heard anyone call the entire island that

[shell sonnet]

...

[quick ore]

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/New_Guinea

[silver steeple]

Usually it's just New Guinea

[digital pendant]

protemnodon and procoptodon ranged in the trundra parts of Sahul

[silver steeple]

Anyway it looks like all of the montane areas of New Guinea are rainforest so even those wouldn't count (not that we'd likely have fossils there anyway)

[shell sonnet]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hulitherium

[silver steeple]

Huh, neat

[plush nacelle]

I am sure there are some fossil species from there

Like protemnodon and maokopia

[silver steeple]

Yeah pineapple literally just posted one

[digital pendant]

this site is from new guinea

[plush nacelle]

This one also is neat

[quick ore]

I love Schouten's art but imo he made Hulitherium look wayyy too much like an actual bear in this art

[digital pendant]

?

looks fine

hulitherium looks pretty bearish anatomy wise

basically a large wombat with finer features

[quick ore]

I mean moreso in the face

[digital pendant]

matches the skull

[silver steeple]

Seems like Palorchestes was found in Tasmania too

Oh and yeah Thylacoleo

[silver steeple]

Silly beast

[digital pendant]

the silliest of beasts

[shell sonnet]

There's definitely enough for a marsupial pack or two.

[digital pendant]

zygomaturus also ranged into southern sahul

[silver steeple]

Mhm

[quick ore]

side note that I think is worth mentioning; Papua connects with mainland Australia sooner than Tasmania does when sea levels drop, which is why parts of Australia share more in common with Papua in terms of species than they do with other parts of mainland Australia

[quick ore]

a Metatherian pack could be a neat concept to throw in Thylacosmilus and Proborhyaena

[shell sonnet]

Also you could make this boreal (because Zoo Tycoon did)

[silver steeple]

Lmao

That'd be a funny reference

[slim flare]

Short-faced bear

[amber field]

Oceania expansion pack ?

It would be neat

[coarse inlet]

would Pholiderpeton be boreal?

I guess probably not because Britain was in the tropics then

[slim flare]

Oh I read that as arboreal

[coarse inlet]

seems like all the good carboniferous stuff is from the area that was near the equator back then, damn

[slim flare]

Bison, short-faced bear, wild horse, Homotherium, steppe hyena

Are good Late Pleistocene / Holocene boreal species

[coarse inlet]

yeah