Community Species Suggestions

[silver steeple]

Just not a reason to put it in game really

[coarse inlet]

But if we’re gonna get a megaraptorid then megaraptor with a Maip alt is still the way to go

[silver steeple]

^

[coarse inlet]

[toxic oriole]

Can't have just two Megaraptorians though, gotta have some of the small to medium guys too

[coarse inlet]

I mean sure you can

[toxic oriole]

Just a personal preference for me

[silver steeple]

Australovenator stands on its own quite well imo

[coarse inlet]

Two is a lot tbh

[toxic oriole]

I don't want there to be too little members for representation, yet I also don't want there to be too much at the same time
... I'm probably a hypocrite!

[coarse inlet]

Australovenator would be the next best choice but that’s not a megaraptorID

[silver steeple]

Mega with Maip alt shows off the SA megaraptorans perfectly

[silver steeple]

Sorry yeah was thinking megaraptorans

[steep tulip]

Its a bit different how I mean it
Instead of the regular animation being "warped" by the IK, the animation itself uses math and waves as a base
Usually the main difference with "regular" animation posing is that it allows you to get smoother angles, but it also is less flexible if you want to break the rules a bit (that's why its mostly used for ingame entities rather than cutscenes usually)
Since arthropleura prob gonna be restricted to looped animations, you can make its segments follow a wave function that matches the movement of the legs, so you don't have to animate every single segment
I'm sure there's way to get around it with traditional posing as well, maybe the devs already use something like that idk

[silver steeple]

https://tenor.com/view/i-don't-know-idk-idk-about-that-gif-7336250873949261946

[shell sonnet]

That depends where you look, plenty have it as one

Including the paper that introduced Joquin

[coarse inlet]

Oh really? Hadn’t heard that

[ancient ibex]

Australovenator is consistently a megaraptorid

Hell I think it is part of a few definitions

Fukuiraptor is the one excluded by definition

[quick ore]

what

yes it was?

[silver steeple]

Y'all I think he gets the point

[coarse inlet]

Yeah I misremembered it’s fine

[late swallow]

New toy syndrome at its finest

[toxic oriole]

ayep

[late swallow]

Down for maip with Austra alt

[outer moth]

I prefer Spicomellus lol

[slim flare]

Isn’t Maip like a bone?

Sorry a lot of random bones

Yeah I’ll pass. No limb bones, no claws, no skull material.

And it’s so big that maybe if we do find more, it’ll be unique

Megaraptor with Australovenator is my pick, unless that new one is from a cool formation

[silver steeple]

So what

There's no reason to believe it was doing anything different

Other than hunting slightly larger prey

It's like the easiest alt ever

It's just robust Megaraptor

[slim flare]

I’LL PASS

I rather not do dogshit taxon

[late swallow]

Lago Colhué Huapi Fm.

[slim flare]

Give me two good Megaraptor skins

There’s a lot of options to restore their out appearance

I see no reason to stuff them full of alts, especially so fragmentary ones

[plush nacelle]

Maip money?

[outer moth]

Maip money.

[late swallow]

Practically fuckin nothing there

[slim flare]

I would be fine with no alt, but I understand Mega and Australo are both very popular and not particularly distinct.

[silver steeple]

They are but ok

[slim flare]

Then fine

[silver steeple]

I'm not getting into that argument again

[slim flare]

Those two

I like that Mega has a juvenile skull and it’s history of being a gigantic Dromaeosaurid for five minutes is funny

[outer moth]

Megaraptor/Australovenator/Maip just makes sense as an alt combo

[slim flare]

Bigger isn’t always better

[outer moth]

Plus, the alt system now is so much better than it used to be

[coarse inlet]

Australovenator is not close enough to Megaraptor proportionally

It’s much more reasonable to reconstruct Maip based on Megaraptor than Australovenator

[silver steeple]

https://tenor.com/view/thankyou-you-gif-4322963

[coarse inlet]

And Megaraptor is just a cooler animal than Australovenator which doesn’t have the ridiculous hands like Megaraptor does

[silver steeple]

Where were you when I said this like a month ago and got jumped

[coarse inlet]

If Australovenator is added it shouldn’t be an alt, if Maip is added it should be a Megaraptor alt

[silver steeple]

Correct

[plush nacelle]

How do you know it couldnt be done with alt system?

[coarse inlet]

But Megaraptor is the quintessential megaraptorid

[silver steeple]

I'd gladly take Australo or Meg tbh

But they just shouldn't be alts

[coarse inlet]

Every alt in the game is either the closest relative to the base species or similar enough that they’ve been proposed as synonyms

[silver steeple]

That would do neither of them justice

[coarse inlet]

Australovenator just doesn’t have the extreme features that make megaraptorids so cool though

[silver steeple]

Australo still has big claws

They just aren't as extreme

[coarse inlet]

Eh, not that big

[silver steeple]

Bigger than the vast majority of theropods

[coarse inlet]

They’re like Allosaurus big

[silver steeple]

On a not allosaurus sized animal

Australo has other things that make it neat

[coarse inlet]

A bit bigger but not so much that it really stands out

[silver steeple]

Like being one of like 3 remaining dinosaurs from Aus that make sense to add lol

[coarse inlet]

Such as? Aside from size and location I don’t see anything that sets it apart tbh

We don’t have much from South America either

[silver steeple]

Not a great skeletal mind you, but this shows the claws well

They're pretty distinct

[silver steeple]

SA has far more potential

Aus not so much

[coarse inlet]

Australovenator is a good addition but I would be really disappointed if it was prioritized over the more bizarre members of the family

[silver steeple]

That's fair enough

[coarse inlet]

Like I think the only reason JWE added it is because they uncritically saw it described as cheetah like despite that not making sense

[plush nacelle]

Meh. Easy doable with alt system.

[coarse inlet]

Alts do not work that way from everything we’ve seen

These are animals with significant differences in body shape

[quick ore]

Like I have said before I think Australovenator is very deserving of an inclusion due to it being the only good theropod option Australia has to offer (and also completing adding the dinosaurs from the WWD episode Spirits of the Ice Forest)

[coarse inlet]

It’s good. I just don’t think it’s as much of an important addition as Megaraptor

The most distinct alt species the game has are probably Juxia and Paraceratherium

[plush nacelle]

Thing is are these differences impossible to implement with alt and ontogeny system?

[silver steeple]

In a way that does the individual animals justice, no not really

[coarse inlet]

As much as I like to have more species diversity the alt system is not meant to be used for any animal in a given family

[silver steeple]

People already complain about P. atrox not being proportionally correct, which is due to being an alt

[toxic oriole]

P. atrox? Huh?

[silver steeple]

You'd see the same thing 10 fold with Australo-Megaraptor

[quick ore]

Panthera

[silver steeple]

American lion

[toxic oriole]

Figures

[plush nacelle]

I feel like, if devs really wanted they could make somehow australo as ontogentic stage for maip

[silver steeple]

Could they? Yeah sure. Would it really be a good idea? No not really

It'd be like making Khaankuluu out of rex

Arguably worse even

[quick ore]

in what ways do we know that Australo and Maip/Megara differ physically?

[silver steeple]

Australo is way slimmer

Also the claws/arms are way smaller

[ancient ibex]

Megaraptor at that size range, on the other hand...

[ancient ibex]

Acro, Carch and Tyranno all bulk up significantly during in-game ontogeny after all

[silver steeple]

Only because you have to use Australo to fill in lol

[silver steeple]

Still doesn't solve the arm/claw issue

Megaraptor

[quick ore]

Are we certain that alts have to follow such restrictive morphological requirements?

[silver steeple]

Australovenator

[clever orbit]

Bit of fun: Imagine if Prehistoric Kingdom happened to exactly mirror Planet Zoos DLC with their theming, you have the same amount of slots as in each pack and have to stick to the theme of the pack. Which animals do you fill each roster with? Which would you be most excited for?

Arctic Pack
South America Pack
Australia Pack
Aquatic Pack
Southeast Asia Animal Pack
Africa Pack
North America Animal Pack
Europe Pack
Wetlands Animal Pack
Conservation Pack (Maybe recently extinct instead?)
Twilight Pack
Grasslands Animal Pack
Tropical Pack
Arid Animal Pack
Oceania Pack
Eurasia Animal Pack
Barnyard Animal Pack (Ermmm... bit tricky but open to creative suggestions)
Zookeepers Animal Pack
Americas Animal Pack
Asia Animal Pack

[shell sonnet]

how big are the packs

[plush nacelle]

4+1 + scenery or 7+1

[shell sonnet]

Not sure how you could do a zookeeper one either

[outer moth]

4 regular species - 1 Mini exhibit/vivarium species for regular packs
7 regular species - 1 Mini species

Honestly, it makes no sense to mirror PZ if we're talkin about PK

[shell sonnet]

I'd have to think about this.

[steep tulip]

I think expecting 4 species is reasonable

[plush nacelle]

South America Pack in PZ is funny, because when you look closely it is Central America Pack with llama

[steep tulip]

Maybe depending on what is inside the dlc, we might get more

[shell sonnet]

DLC based on eras and clades makes more sense to me

[plush nacelle]

Australia is easy one. Thylacoleo + megalania + diporotodon + procoptodon and paradise parrot in vivarium

[shell sonnet]

But why should Australia being restricted to the cenozoic

Feels like there should at least one animal that isn't

[clever orbit]

Oh definitely prefer that alternative just wanted to make a little thought experiment

[quick ore]

I would prefer the giant shingleback skink as a terrarium species

[steep tulip]

Cenozoic australia is a lot

All of the mesozoic picks are not as "safe" as the cenozoic ones are
Like australovenator, koolasuchus and maybe kunbarrasaurus or diamantinasaurus

[shell sonnet]

Sure but if you wanted the best of Australia, you should probably make room for either Kunnabarrasaurus or Australovenator or (if we get aquatics) Kronosaurus

[plush nacelle]

I just think it would be neat to feature pleistocene megafauna alongside aboriginal inspired architecture.

And all 4 are strong contenders

[shell sonnet]

See now that's a good reason; there's a scenary theme to go along

Making something like Kunna out of place

[silver steeple]

Its just a random assortment of species

So whatever doesn't fit anywhere else ig

[plush nacelle]

Zookeeper pack was clearly mountain pack + something safari related

But mashed together

You know, PK cut species would make sense

[clever orbit]

Here's my pick for Arctic:
Nanuqsaurus
Stenonychosaurus
Arctodus
Steller's Sea Cow
Great Auk

Along with Nordic/ Christmas scenery pieces

[steep tulip]

Idk I feel like australo is easier to repackage in another dlc and kunbarrasaurus is far from a first pick even among other ankylosaurs

[plush nacelle]

Grasslands Animal Pack also would be cenozoic heavy in PK

[shell sonnet]

That one too

[shell sonnet]

I hear nothing about Krono

[steep tulip]

Krono is so far away and its more likely its getting in with a dedicated aquatic dlc

[clever orbit]

Also the main Mesozoic Australian pick for me would have to be Minmi

[shell sonnet]

That depends on how many animals there are:

[shell sonnet]

That's what Kunnabarra is

Like if the aquatic pack was 5, I would not expect Krono to make it

[silver steeple]

I'd be extremely shocked if it was that small

[clever orbit]

Nice! Had never heard!

[silver steeple]

Most of what people think of when they think of Minmi is now considered Kunbarra

[steep tulip]

Mau said the plan is to have like a couple species for free and 2 giant dlc for both aviaries and lagoons
Obviously this is not confirmation for what's gonna happen, but I still imagine we might get cenozoic australia rep before getting aquatics
At least I hope

[silver steeple]

I'd be surprised if that wasn't the case

[shell sonnet]

I mean 10-5 would be the dream but I don't know how likely that is

[plush nacelle]

The only thing I could came up with Barynard PK version is extinct ancestors for modern species like aurochs and wild horse

[shell sonnet]

I mean of course we will; Thylacine will come with the RE pack

[cosmic cosmos]

i would love an australian aquatic pack if we get them, kronosaurus, platypterygius, umoonasaurus, eromangasaurus and protosphyraena

[quick ore]

bunyip

[steep tulip]

The ideal outcome would be to get at least a 8 species dlc for each, and then fill out the remaining lifespan of the game with more aquatics and pterosaurs and species that didn't make the cut before

[shell sonnet]

Is that 8 habitat, how many minis?

[steep tulip]

No minis, aquatic minis aren't really a problem to add since they use looped animations and could be added earlier on

[shell sonnet]

I think that would be a waste

And of course we have to ask the question of what form the bigger ones will come in.

[steep tulip]

A waste of what

[shell sonnet]

A wasted opportunity

[steep tulip]

I doubt they are going to share space with big lagoons animals

[shell sonnet]

I'm not saying they will

[steep tulip]

What are you saying then
If they add them beforehand what's the problem

[shell sonnet]

They can add more

There's plenty of good aquatic minis

[steep tulip]

Ofc they can but like, the dlc specifically focuses on 1 new system I don't see why there would be species that use a different one

Imagining we get it in the far future

I also hope to get some semi aquatic marine animals before fully aquatics
Like atopodentatus or tany

or desmostylus

[coarse inlet]

If we get a desmostylan I’d prefer palaeoparadoxa but desmostylus is good too

How Semiaquatic were desmostylans anyway

[silver steeple]

https://tenor.com/view/shrek-shrek-meme-shrek-good-question-good-question-gif-7176451729184982026

[shell sonnet]

Wiki claims them fully aquatic

[silver steeple]

I doubt that

[steep tulip]

Some were semi some were full

Desmostylus is debated but consensus seems to lean more to semi

[silver steeple]

Even the most derived desmostylans have well developed limbs afaik

[coarse inlet]

Wikipedia says studies have shown those limbs couldn’t bear their weight

[silver steeple]

Weird

[coarse inlet]

Thoracic strength is also closer to cetaceans and sirenians than Semiaquatic mammals

[silver steeple]

This is desmostylus proper for reference

[steep tulip]

I believe behemotops is the one that's more often found to be properly semi aquatic (also the most basal among all othe desmostylans)

[silver steeple]

Stupid animal

[coarse inlet]

Desmostylians are so hard to wrap my head around

[cosmic cosmos]

https://tenor.com/view/cotylorhynchus-cotylorhynchus-walk-walking-cotylorhynchus-gif-27547597

[shell sonnet]

It's a manatee ancestor, it gives a glimpse into how they became floating meatsacks

[quick ore]

huh

[silver steeple]

Lol

[quick ore]

I don't think they are?

[silver steeple]

They aren't

Pineapple is making a bit

[steep tulip]

Every masterpiece has its cheap copy

[quick ore]

are you sure or is he just unaware of their phylogenetic position

[coarse inlet]

They are not

[silver steeple]

I'm sure he's quite aware

[shell sonnet]

I know they're closer to manatees than hyraxes.

Also we need Arsinoitherium

[coarse inlet]

They’re equally likely to be afrotheres or perissodactyls

Biogeography wise perissodactyls makes more sense

[quick ore]

it's a shame they died long before the pleistocene, would have loved to see them in the new PhP season

[coarse inlet]

Yeah we need a Miocene season so badly

[quick ore]

i feel like a permian season is most likely after this one

[coarse inlet]

That’d rule

But they’d probably choose either the early or late Permian which is lame

Gimme the Dinocephalians!

[plush nacelle]

Aside there being barely good filming location I imagine whoever is responsible for funding these wouldnt be interested in anything paleozoic related

[quick ore]

fair..

[plush nacelle]

I wouldnt be surprised, if part of the reason why pleistocene was chosen is presence of modern species, which can cut production costs

[shell sonnet]

Also it just makes more sense from a profit point of view, people are more likely going to watch something they know a little about (ice age) than something they know nothing about

[coarse inlet]

Jurassic would make the most sense for the next one under that lens

[shell sonnet]

Eh... I would put the Mammoth as better known than any Jurassic dino

[coarse inlet]

I said for the next one

And also Stegosaurus??

People know what the Jurassic is

[shell sonnet]

No, people know Jurassic "park/world"

They think all dinos lived in the same time and location

And yes I would put the Mammoth above Steg.

[hollow flower]

That is crazy

[lean hound]

[shell sonnet]

Got anything to prove otherwise

[flint sable]

mammoth is more famous that stegosaurus if only for the discussion about bringing them back in recent years

[steep tulip]

I think mammoth is almost on par with rex in terms of popularity

Like when you talk about prehistoric humans you include them hunting mammoths almost automatically

[lean hound]

perhaps (no)

[digital pendant]

whomever thinks mammoths are less known than most dinosaurs are dead wrong

its like, THE prehistoric animal along Rex

[shell sonnet]

I don't think so; whether or not people like a hairy elephant more than a plated reptile with spikes, I would absolutely give the Mammoth the edge in how well known they are. Plus there's a big film franchise where Ray Romano plays one.

[quick ore]

oh my god

[ancient ibex]

I'd say more than any dinosaur, I'd wager more people can name mammoths beyond any individual dinosaur name

[quick ore]

can you please stop with this

[hollow flower]

Okay but like I feel like in this situation its pretty valid

[plush nacelle]

Tbh I dont think google trends are necessarily wrong.

[shell sonnet]

why did you choose Woolly Mammoth as a topic instead of an animal

[late swallow]

It's never a valid comparison

[hollow flower]

These are the most popular prehistoric animals

alot of people are gonna be searching them up

have you tried a second l in there?

[digital pendant]

yeah its woolly mamoth

not wooly

[late swallow]

British English vs American English

[hollow flower]

Evidently ones alot more popular than the other

[digital pendant]

woolly mammoth is literally how its on wikipedia and in general media as a whole

[late swallow]

Right, forgot I'm always wrong

[shell sonnet]

that matters as a search term; if you select as an animal you capture more including related searches to it even with different spellings and more importantly, different languages

[digital pendant]

excuse me, but how does that equate to everyone thinking you are always wrong? You are the one putting yourself down

[toxic oriole]

Entirely inconsistent trends moment, don't worry its fine

Seriously though, why must the trends not be consistent each time?

[hollow flower]

Intruigingly allo and stegos statistics have swapped around

that is pretty odd

[shell sonnet]

Hmmm... something is off

Because I don't get that

In any case, back to animals we think should be included

For example, we really need Ornithosuchus

And Proterosuchus

Love that weird thing

[steep tulip]

Love the shape of its snout

[shell sonnet]

Archosaurus had a similar one

[buoyant zephyr]

We could get at least one phytosaur after EA

[shell sonnet]

Any thing to make the Triassic more lively

[late swallow]

They didn't- the colours just swapped

[shell sonnet]

It's so cool; do we know for sure if that's how it's supposed to be and not the result of some breakage

[ancient ibex]

I'm not sure if there was taphonomic stuff deforming it, or if it is a snagglejaw thing

It does appear to be widespread in any case

So likely to be that way

(Gotta be wary of pulling an Atopodentatus after all)

[median relic]

tbf it's not as weird as we may be making it out to be

atopo had a weird setup before we realize what was really going on

this is just a more exaggerated notched jaw, plenty of other animals have that

[shell sonnet]

Yeah, I want to assume it's real but, you never know

Can I also take a moment to just complain about the fact that David Peter's blogs are just crowding out google images when it comes to pre-dino reptiles and the like especially for skeletals.

[late swallow]

Was this thing piscivorous?

[shell sonnet]

We don't know for sure

At least that's what wiki tells me

What is cool is that most of them are from the Trissaic except for Archosaurus

So we could have an animal with an alt in two different eras

(something Lystro can do as well of course)

[late swallow]

The walking football

That mouth looks to be adapted for at least partial piscivory

[ancient ibex]

Has been an issue for years

[coarse inlet]

I highly doubt that there are a significant number of people who know what a mammoth is but not a stegosaurus

Google trends really don’t reflect the name recognition here

[ancient ibex]

The thing is, people will know that the hairy elephant is a mammoth, and that the big reptile is a dinosaur

mammoth is as a word on the same ballpark as dinosaur, rather than with specific dinosaurs, in my experience

[coarse inlet]

If I ask any given child to name five dinosaurs they will name stegosaurus

It’s not the focus of much Dino stuff but it is DEEPLY embedded in culture

[silver steeple]

I'd say this is pretty true tbh

[shell sonnet]

I prefer to remember it as a baboon, frog, alien hybrid

[coarse inlet]

Pretty much every single person has an image of a stegosaurus in their heads

Claiming it’s not one of the prehistoric creatures that’s ubiquitous in the public understanding is absurd

[ancient ibex]

Ah, Euparkeria would be a cool vivarium critter

[coarse inlet]

It’s not even like with sauropods where there’s an image but not necessarily a name

[ancient ibex]

Hail the crocobird

[coarse inlet]

It’s just a little croc really

Not much bird

[silver steeple]

https://tenor.com/view/toasted-im-steaming-cooking-fail-gif-9211099152438865773

[late swallow]

I call it a football because of JWD and how puntable it looks

[shell sonnet]

That image is of Lystro

[ancient ibex]

I'm aware

[shell sonnet]

Oh that's not the worst one

[silver steeple]

He's on something else entirely

[late swallow]

Kill it with fire

Also imagine those sand lizard toys but that thing

[silver steeple]

Sand lizard toys?

[shell sonnet]

Ah I vaguely remember these

[late swallow]

They're lizards

Filled with like sand

And they're fun to hit your Siblings/cousins/friends with

[silver steeple]

Huh I guess I never realized those were filled with sand

[tame thorn]

Reminds me of the Romans way of depicting animals

Or the mediaeval paintings. Like this crocodile

[shell sonnet]

My favorite from the bestiaries was always the beaver

[steep tulip]

https://tenor.com/view/regular-show-pixie-sorceress-costume-character-same-character-gif-8189690693293910815

Mediaval paintings of animals

[faint oak]

Mighty casterocauda

[hollow flower]

Why he eating his balls

[slim flare]

Why aren’t you?

[shell sonnet]

People would hunt beavers for an oil called castoreum that they believed came from the animals nutsacks (it doesn’t by the way, it comes from a different pair of sacs that mix with urine to mark territory). According to the Greeks and Romans (like Pliny), the beaver would save itself by biting its testicles off and leave them behind for the hunters and thus escape with its life. Medieval Europeans took this concept further (as they did with the entirety of the animal kingdom) and attached meaning to it because they believed that God was using nature to teach people morals and the way to live life through. The beaver castrating itself was supposed to teach medieval Christians that those “who heed[] God's commandment and wish[] to live chastely should cut off all his vices and shameless acts, and cast them from him into the face of the devil. Then the devil, seeing that the man has nothing belonging to him, retires in disorder.”

Etymologically, castor (which is what the beaver is called in many romantic languages as well as its genera) probably does not come from the word castrate but castor oil is called as such because the oil of the castor oil plant was similar to castoreum.

[hollow flower]

This is very interesting and very strange

And a very in depth answer to why he eating his balls

I do appreciate this esoteric knowledge youve gifted me though

[faint oak]

beaver bite wood

[chilly zenith]

oh my god
i had at least these as a kid

i completely forgot about them

i recall the lizard for sure

it started leaking later 🙁

[final yarrow]

ngl kind of looks like monster hunter fauna

but more realistic

[late swallow]

So nothing like monhun fauna

[final yarrow]

monhun fauna is semi-realistic i’d say

as in its more grounded than blagoogala, magic

usually

anywho uhhh

[left spear]

Monhun is not grounded, just because something makes a bit of sense ecologically unlike most fantasy ecosystems doesn't mean its grounded

If you want something similar and actually (somewhat) grounded look up Dragonslayer's Codex

[slow shoal]

i wouldnt call that exactly grounded either

[chilly zenith]

neither are grounded

[hollow flower]

It looks like a kelbi

[buoyant zephyr]

Theyre cooking you but you're absolutely right

A universe where there's more carnivores than herbivores, which greatly outsize them, while having elemental abilities and with humans that can carry weapons bigger than them and surviving said creature's attacks is in no way realistic lmao

Nvm read it wrong, Ill have to disagree then

[steep carbon]

~~i mean it makes sense if humans are genetically engineered super soldiers made by the ancient civilization. ~~

and being a carnivore that preys on other carnivores is advantageous due to allowing you to bioaccumulate magicbio-energy.

[reef relic]

Are there any species ingame that you believe could benefit from being split into species?
Personally, I feel Lambeo could work being split, since it has pretty visually different crests between species.

Actually I think that might have been the plan much earlier in development, if you look at the concept art

[hollow furnace]

There are a few additional alts I’d like from the current roster

Lambeo is one

[late swallow]

Tsintao or Oloro?

Or, I guess, the boring cory

[hollow furnace]

Lambeo

Magnicristatus in addition to lambei

[late swallow]

Ah, magni

[reef relic]

Just Lambeo itself. Splitting an existing creature really only works if we are talking about multiple species within the same genus. If you're going to add an entirely new genus you might as well make it it's own thing with three unique skins

[late swallow]

Will say - someone was simping hard for Larry when they named L. lambei

[reef relic]

I guess you could get away with splitting Styracosaurus now too, with it being synonymous with Rubeosaurus. Give the funky horn shape to one of the existing skins

[late swallow]

That's a different species

That is ovatus

[reef relic]

Ye

[late swallow]

And tbh I think it'd be neat if the devs Ugru'd that

[reef relic]

That's what I mean, splitting the existing Styracosaurus into S. albertensis and S. ovatus.

Though it's certainly not something I think needs to be pushed into the game right away, just a fun idea for later on

[ancient ibex]

Tsintao isn't even close?

[reef relic]

Could even make for a easy to make and low cost DLC after full release. Instead of splitting the existing ones, add a single unique skin for the new species

[silver steeple]

Obvious answer is L. magnicristatus yeah

[silver steeple]

Although this apparently isn't the case

The weird shape of the old crest was actually fleshy extensions

Similar to what Para had at the time

[hollow furnace]

Although there was a time, very very very in the games development, where they were thinking of doing magnicristatus instead of lambei

[steep tulip]

I think centrosaurus would be better as an alt
Or at least I would prefer it
Like having an alt that's just individual variation feels a bit weird

[late swallow]

Looks reasonable to me

[silver steeple]

Yeah, far enough back that it has no bearing on stuff happening nowadays

[feral cedar]

Personally I’d argue Tsintaosaurus should get a full slot

[silver steeple]

I mean considering that we're never gonna get individual variations on stuff like horns in game, no real reason there not to make it an alt

Could revive "solitary styrac" with an alt as well

[hard elbow]

I'm still slightly salty about solitary styrac

[silver steeple]

Why

[steep tulip]

Fair enough
But I still prefer it as a different skin rather than them using it as rubeosaurus

[silver steeple]

I think it's more likely to be S. ovatus than Rubeosaurus

[feral cedar]

centrosaurines are known from bonebeds

[silver steeple]

I know that

I'm asking Tropicola specifically

I agree it was an odd choice given other centrosaurines (though afaik we don't have that same evidence from Styrac so who knows what they were like) but it was a unique take on something

[steep tulip]

Oh they reclassified it as a different species? Didn't know
Is it due to time/location differences?

[hard elbow]

I always liked it as a way to make styrac stand out, plus the Nigel line referencing it. Then it ended up more social than some of the Pachyrhinos, which is a bit of a weird choice imo

[steep tulip]

Btw

[silver steeple]

See I agree

[steep tulip]

Styraco got way less solitary in the last few updates

[silver steeple]

Yes we know

That's why we're disappointed

[steep tulip]

Oh

[feral cedar]

Styracosaurus has a known bonebed though

[hard elbow]

Like yeah there are bone beds that could maybe imply larger herds for styrac but also like if you're gonna make one centrosaur arbitrarily less social, make it the one that the game references as antisocial

[silver steeple]

And why I referenced "reviving" it with an alt

[steep tulip]

I completely misread it lol

[feral cedar]

I’d personally argue that PK should’ve made trike more solitary

[silver steeple]

Trike is fairly solitary

[steep tulip]

Nasuto is kinda solitary

I know 2 people use it but still

[silver steeple]

The max group size for any of the trike species is like 6 iirc

[hard elbow]

Yeah so technically the herd thing isn't wrong, but for years it's been planned to have very small groups in PK, to the point there's literally a nigel line referencing it. Like he even points out that antisociality is not expected from Styrac. And now it's like more social than half the ceratopsians

Which I find odd

[silver steeple]

^

[silver steeple]

How many individuals?

[hard elbow]

Just make Perotorum have larger groups than 6 so the Pachy genus is generally the "big herd" ceratopsian

Then boom you're good

[silver steeple]

A single bonebed does not a constantly social animal make

[hard elbow]

the bonebed iirc is possibly a flood deposit

[steep tulip]

Almost 100

[feral cedar]

PK devs generally stick to science which makes it a bit of a shame when they suddenly ignore said science in favor of a questionable hill to die on

[silver steeple]

Then yeah I'd say likely a social gathering

[silver steeple]

That's called "Creative Liberty"

[feral cedar]

I’m very happy they gave the tyrannosaurs lips recently

[digital pendant]

hmm curious

situational mass herding makes sense

[silver steeple]

That's the proposal for the centrosaurus and pachyrhino bonebeds too

[steep tulip]

Personally never been too bothered by it and I understand why they made it solitary in the first place

[hard elbow]

Yeah I always thought it made sense for the reasons they gave initially

Diversifies the ceratopsian roster functionally

Styrac has tiny herds, trike medium, Pachyrhino big

[feral cedar]

They could’ve had a fourth option with non-herding ceratopsids if they’d gone with a second chasmosaurine imo

[hard elbow]

Yeah but that's besides the point

[silver steeple]

^

They were doing stuff with what they had

[steep tulip]

What was trike group size I forgot

Styrac was 4, nasuto is like 5

[late swallow]

10 for prorsus, 9 for horridus

[ancient ibex]

Tsintaosaurus is not even a Corythosaurian lambeosaurine, so Parasaurolophus is closer to Lambeo than Tsintao

[late swallow]

Ok and

[steep tulip]

Clutched

Mmmh

[late swallow]

Huh?

Like I came in clutch?

[steep tulip]

Yes lol

[late swallow]

Sorry, kinda out of it, just had a full breakdown

[steep tulip]

Dw

[feral cedar]

It means that lambeo and para are more alike than lambeo and tsintao, so if those two are separate slots then so should tsintao

[steep tulip]

Ig having one of the styracs skins be more solitary is the best option indeed

[late swallow]

Instead of the fuckin 20 herd

[steep tulip]

I also didn't know rubeosaurus was reclassified as a different species and not just lumped into alrbertensis

So it makes more sense in a way as well

[late swallow]

It was S. ovatus before it was R. ovatus

[silver steeple]

^

[late swallow]

It's hard to pick a single hadrosaur I'd like to add tbh, lot of cool crests

[silver steeple]

Then don't pick one with a crest

[late swallow]

Though, devs already hit my #1 pick

Mutta

[silver steeple]

Not a hadrosaur

[steep tulip]

Oh damn it was discovered in the 1930s lol

[late swallow]

Close enough

[silver steeple]

If you call iguanodon a hadrosaur sure

[steep tulip]

I think olorotitan is my most wanted hadro, with a noticeable crest at least
Otherwise maia is the one I want the most

[late swallow]

But yeh I'd take Qingdao or Oloro

[coarse inlet]

Iguanodon is way closer to hadrosaurs than Muttaburrasaurus is

[silver steeple]

Nope

[coarse inlet]

My most wanted is saurolophus

[amber field]

Hopefully they won't complain about realistic sauropods eggs count in the future

[silver steeple]

Even as an elasmarian, Mutta is an iguanodontian

[late swallow]

Yeh, laurasia pick

[silver steeple]

Which definitionally makes it closer to iguanodon

[coarse inlet]

Yeah and Iguanodon is a hadrisauriform

[late swallow]

Devs hit my 2 favourite Iguanodontians

[coarse inlet]

Way closer to hadrosaurs than a basal iguanodontian

[late swallow]

Both became favourites from recent gameplays

[silver steeple]

As is every iguanodontian

[coarse inlet]

No????

[reef relic]

Saurolophus or Maiasaura for me. Maybe Shantungosaurus if the game is supported long enough to see lots of visually similar animals getting added

[late swallow]

Gideonmantelia when

[late swallow]

That's just beefcake eddy

[coarse inlet]

Iguanodontia includes every ornithopods except Hypsilophodon

[reef relic]

My brain is broken by books and immediately thought of Gideon the Ninth and momentarily wondered if I was in the wrong discord for a second lmao

[tough marsh]

i would love brighstoneus

[reef relic]

Ok but
✨ Big chin ✨

[coarse inlet]

Gideon the Ninth 🤝 Gideon Mantell
“We do bones motherfucker”

[silver steeple]

I see I was misusing iguanodontia then

[reef relic]

https://tenor.com/view/gideon-heart-gideon-the-ninth-the-locked-tomb-heart-locket-gif-25657622

[silver steeple]

Either way a hadrosauriform does not a hadrosaur make

[late swallow]

and Gideonmantellia

[coarse inlet]

No but it is far closer to being a hadrosaur than Muttaburrasaurus is

[silver steeple]

Yes we established that

I admitted I was wrong

[late swallow]

Ankylopollexia moment

Also fuck that word

[silver steeple]

Point is that even if you call all of hadrosauroidea "hadrosaurs" Iguanodon isn't one

[coarse inlet]

No one was arguing otherwise though

[silver steeple]

[late swallow]

Why is Mario on my screen

[silver steeple]

I was gonna make a joke about Tethyshadros just now and realized that neither of the specimens are named mario

[coarse inlet]

Anyway top 5 hadros to add
Saurolophus
Gryposaurus
Olorotitan
Maiasaura
Hadrosaurus

[silver steeple]

Its Bruno and something else

[coarse inlet]

Yes I said Hadrosaurus

[silver steeple]

Antonio

Those better be names we can get in-game if we ever get Tethyshadros

[abstract compass]

third will be Giancarlo

[silver steeple]

Lmao

Obviously we need Giacomo

Probably one of the only animals we ever have a chance of getting from Italy come to think of it

I can only think of 1 other, Drepanosaurus

[tough marsh]

tanystrophus, nothosaurus, mixosaurus

[silver steeple]

Idk about the chances on Mixo

Tany is from all over the place

Same for Notho

[steep tulip]

Notho has so many species yes

[silver steeple]

Though Drepano is also known from a number of places

[steep tulip]

Like insane amount from all over europe

[late swallow]

I'm uncertain about drep itself

[steep tulip]

Its also known from chinle

Tho the holotype was found in Italy

Same formation as peteino and eudimorphodon

And a bunch of other weirdos

Italy also has some cool fishes

A while ago we got the description of a really weird one

[late swallow]

I just want full fat aquaria so I can have Coelacanthus

[abstract compass]

aint extinct.

[steep tulip]

https://fxtwitter.com/Dinoh555/status/1920892611746803962

Dactylioceras🇵🇸 (@Dinoh555)

IS OUT
︀︀
︀︀Dibango volans gen et comb. nov
︀︀
︀︀onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/10.1002/spp2.70017

Quoting Dactylioceras🇵🇸 (@Dinoh555)
︀
WHAT THE HELL
︀︀
︀︀THIS IS NOT SPEC EVO
︀︀IS A REAL FOSSIL FISH
︀︀
︀︀An extraordinary larval-like teleost fish from the Eocene of Bolca
︀︀
︀︀[PREPRINT AND CURRENTLY REFERRED AS "Pegasus" volans]
︀︀www.biorxiv.org/content/10.1101/2024.08.19.608581v1.full.pdf+html

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FxTwitter · May 9, 2025, 5:24 PM

[abstract compass]

ah. him.

[silver steeple]

There are species that are though

[steep tulip]

Well technically it is since the modern genus is latimeria and not coelacanthus

[silver steeple]

Stupid beast

[abstract compass]

waste of a slot

[steep tulip]

Also

Latimeria is incredibly weird even among extinct coelacanths

Almost all the others we know of weren't living in the abyss

[silver steeple]

You're a waste of a slot

[abstract compass]

give it 50 years and maybe humanity will have a slot.

[silver steeple]

Aliens have taken over development.....

[late swallow]

You're thinking of Latimeria chalumnae

[abstract compass]

no im thinking of coelacanths.

[late swallow]

Coelacanthus granulatus is what I want

[shell sonnet]

this might be too small reading the paper

[steep tulip]

This one is from the triassic and also a freshwater one

Also pretty small which could fit aquariums

[tough marsh]

i was going to bring it up

[steep tulip]

Mawsonia is also a coelacanth

[late swallow]

Where's Ashton Kutcher, wheres the camera

[steep tulip]

And coelacanthus itself is from another branch of the family entirely

[silver steeple]

What the actual fuck lmao

[abstract compass]

[late swallow]

Order, but yeah

[steep tulip]

Its around 10 cm afaik
Might be a bit more

[late swallow]

Coelacanthus granulatus is the type species/genus of Order Coelacanthiformes, and Family Coelacanthidae.

[tough marsh]

theres also this one

[late swallow]

Latimeria chalumnae is the type of Family Latimeridae

[steep tulip]

I think for fishes it's not as big of a problem since they can swarm together

[silver steeple]

I would be a little surprised if we didn't see some form of coelocanth down the line

Even if just Mawsonia

[slim flare]

Mawsonia…

[late swallow]

Or the other Mawsoniid

[slim flare]

I also want gigantic lungfish

[silver steeple]

Which is?

[steep tulip]

Yep
Forgot the names of most of these
But coelacanths were very diverse during the mesozoic and the ancestor of modern day coelacanths survived due to their abyssal lifestyle

[late swallow]

Grimnir activated my autism card

[late swallow]

Axelrodichthys

[shell sonnet]

Why that one and not Trachymetopon

[silver steeple]

I really don't see how that would have a better shot than Mawsonia

At best I could see another Mawsoniid as like an alt maybe

[late swallow]

Not saying it does - one of the Mawsonia specimens got reclassified to Axelrodichthys

Coelacanthiformes are my favourite order of fishes

I have a L. chalumnae plush named Commie, short for Comoros, where they can be found

[shell sonnet]

I kind of feel like if we get a coelacanth, it's going to be some vivarium based animal and I'm not sure if M. gigas is small enough

[late swallow]

We are getting some sizable vivarium tbf

[silver steeple]

Mawsonia is like the perfect coelocanth and large enough to be an exhibit

Idk why we'd need to be restricted to a viv to begin with when the most famous extinct member of the group is more than big enough to be its own thing

[late swallow]

If they give it a temperament and behaviour akin to Latimeria, it would do better in an aquarium

[shell sonnet]

I don't really think any extinct coelocanth is more famous than the rest in numbers that matter

[silver steeple]

Do we have reason to believe either of those things in are the case?

[silver steeple]

Mawsonia absolutely is

[late swallow]

2501

[silver steeple]

Its like right alongside that giant sawskate whose name escapes me now, both famous for being spino chow

[steep tulip]

Onchopristis?
That one is also a great pick

[silver steeple]

Yeah Onchopristis

[shell sonnet]

Again, in numbers that matter

I don't think people are going to care about which gets in as long as they get one

[silver steeple]

I think people care more for a name they may have heard in a documentary once than something they've never heard of

[late swallow]

Which documentary

[shell sonnet]

Yeah, I think WWD and P Planet are the only ones that really matter

(as far as the Mesozoic goes)

[silver steeple]

To the wider public maybe

[late swallow]

Yeah, thats

Kinda the whole point

[silver steeple]

This game's audience ain't made up of what I'd consider the wider public

[late swallow]

Also: we can get Coelacanthiformes from clear back to the devonian

[late swallow]

I'd reckon it's wider than you think

[silver steeple]

When at least 80% of the audience has watched nearly every dino doc to come out since 2005, I dunno if there's really an argument to be made otherwise

[late swallow]

The discord is a vocal minority of the playerbase

[late swallow]

Source?

[abstract compass]

Would confidently argue that the only one that would be considered would probably be mawsonia.

[silver steeple]

Its an estimation

[abstract compass]

Even then probably not

[silver steeple]

That's what I'm saying

[late swallow]

Not a great one

[silver steeple]

If we get one, I'd be extremely confident in it being Mawsonia over anything else

[silver steeple]

Source?

[abstract compass]

Most famous of them after all

[late swallow]

Burden of proof belies the claimant

[tardy whale]

There's still no Hadrosaurus and Saurolophus in the game

[shell sonnet]

We don't need Hadrosaurus

it's an important animal but there's nothing there to build on

[late swallow]

You claim in estimation of 80% of players having high media consumption of the topic

Where do you draw this estimation from?

[tardy whale]

We? Who's we?

[silver steeple]

Various conversations I've had in the last more than 5 years of being a member

[late swallow]

Subsection of player base, and a biased sample

[shell sonnet]

The people that matter. Seriously what does Hadro add?

[silver steeple]

While the discord is a minority of total players of the game, its a large enough group to make educated guesses

[slim flare]

Saurolophus and Maiasaura smh

[tardy whale]

He's responsible for the Hadrosaurid family

[silver steeple]

Every study ever done on groups of people surveys a much smaller number than the claims apply to

[shell sonnet]

So

[tardy whale]

As far as I know

[slim flare]

I think Sauro gets first place

[shell sonnet]

Not true

[late swallow]

Those in the discord are more likely to have seen the documentaries

[silver steeple]

Why

[late swallow]

Because they are more interested and involved enough to join the community

[silver steeple]

Of a game unrelated to documentaries

[tardy whale]

He's important too

And I like them, and many others do

[silver steeple]

Participation in a discord server does not imply the consumption of mostly unrelated media

[tardy whale]

I don't know why would you dislike them

[shell sonnet]

Because your sample can be biased and irrepresentative of the broader population. You think taking a survey of just people at a vegan restaurant is a good method to determine the favorite food?

[silver steeple]

That's not what's being argued tho

[late swallow]

No, it's exactly what's being argued

[shell sonnet]

Again this is all we have of Hadro.
There's nothing special about it.

[silver steeple]

Maybe by you

[late swallow]

Those who join the server are inarguably more likely to be more heavily invested into dinosaur media as a whole

[silver steeple]

Sure

But that doesn't mean people outside aren't also likely to consume the same media

Consumption of media is not correlated to interacting with others

[late swallow]

Sure, you win, I'm checking out of this because it's giving me a headache trying to get you to understand the obvious bias

[silver steeple]

I'm not saying there isn't bias

[digital pendant]

boi you dont have to keep dragging this conversation

[silver steeple]

I'm not trying to

[digital pendant]

I would suggest to drop it

[late swallow]

You have been vehemently denying it for 20 minutes

[silver steeple]

Whatever

[tardy whale]

That's it? That's literally everything we got from the Hadrosaurs? No any other new individual?

[shell sonnet]

Nope

It's a messy taxon that's had plenty assigned and unassigned for ages but really the holotype is all you can rely on.

Really if we need more Hadrosaurs:

Bactrosaurus johnsoni
Maiasaura peeblesorum
Saurolophus angustirostris
Kritosaurus navajovius

Are a good place to start

[slim flare]

Literally features Nigel Marvin as a character

[tardy whale]

https://tenor.com/view/dinosaur-king-saurolophus-pair-love-gif-20382521

They should add Pterosaurs and marine reptiles too

[silver steeple]

One day perhaps

[shell sonnet]

Maybe they will in the future, depends how well the game does

[plush nacelle]

Axelrodichthys is decent vivarium fish and actually lived in kem kem

[ancient ibex]

Gotta add Ceratops and Abelisaurus them

[amber field]

Boverisuchus would be interesting choice to some land crocs

I would love to get a dlc just for some land crocs

[late swallow]

It would be quite interesting

[abstract compass]

Barina.

[silver steeple]

https://tenor.com/view/both-agree-yes-good-gif-4591420

[amber field]

Both from Triassic and Cenozoic ones

[shell sonnet]

Baurusuchus

[amber field]

We're already getting one as vivarium animal

[amber field]

Those too, I forgot about them …

They get very large ones

[coarse inlet]

Still the best Appalachian hadrosaur

I think Hadrosaurus is totally a reasonable animal to add

[shell sonnet]

So and no.

[coarse inlet]

It’s not fragmentary and it’s representative of a major hadrosaur radiation

Plus it’s historically important

[silver steeple]

Hadro feels like decent DLC fodder

[shell sonnet]

It is and adding a hadrosaur we don't have the skull of is liking adding a ceratopsoid we don't have the skull of

The skull is the whole point

[coarse inlet]

No it’s not?

This isn’t like it’s a random Lambeosaur we don’t have a crest from

[silver steeple]

Also ftr

Wikipedia lists cranial remains

[coarse inlet]

It’s a very different kind of hadrosaur from any in the game

Not much but yeah there are some

[shell sonnet]

the cranial remains is that thing in the upper left

[coarse inlet]

Eotrachodon and other Appalachian hadrosaurs can be used to fill in gaps

[silver steeple]

I see

[shell sonnet]

Then call it Eotrachodon, at least it has good findings.

[sharp dock]

it looks the guys from Fantasia

[coarse inlet]

There’s no reason not to use relatives to represent a more famous incomplete taxon like they do with Carcharodontosaurus and Argentinosaurus

Hadrosaurus has a lot of good reasons to be THE basal Appalachian hadrosaur to use and that’s a radiation which i think is valuable to include

[shell sonnet]

Cool. Let's get Nodosaurus over Edmontonia or Sauropelta or Polacanthus, and man the devs should have included Megalosaurus over Torvo, like what were they thinking not including the first dino.

[coarse inlet]

There is literally no reason to be a dick about this

[abstract compass]

[silver steeple]

Yeah I think this is well within the territory of AD's pinned comment at this point

[shell sonnet]

Then let me put it it a kinder way.

[mint creek]

Megalosaurus would be sick ngl

[slim flare]

Other JP completionism, I’m not really interested in Hadrosurus. It’s very fragmentary, not very popular, not particularly interesting on its own, not from a formation of interest and there’s so many more interesting hadrosaurs we do not have.

[silver steeple]

I think some kind of "Historical Importance" pack would be neat

[mint creek]

Hell yeah

Would love something like that

[slim flare]

Deinonychus…

[coarse inlet]

It’s not that fragmentary we have near complete limbs

[silver steeple]

I'd argue Hadro is no worse materially than Argent or Carch

[slim flare]

Argent and Carch are both far more popular

And are more or less the best options for giant titanosaur and giant carch

[coarse inlet]

Patagotitan and Giga are just as famous and more complete

[silver steeple]

Giga sure

[hollow flower]

I wouldnt agree on Patago

[silver steeple]

Patago? No not really

[hollow flower]

Giga for sure though

[quick ore]

Sinornithosaurus vivarium species because of this fossil

[slim flare]

More or less

[coarse inlet]

It’s definitely more complete than Argentinosaurus

[silver steeple]

Argent is simply the most famous large titanosaur

[hollow flower]

But yeah

[silver steeple]

Sure but it doesn't come close in fame

Which is what we were discussing

[coarse inlet]

By name maybe but the general public is FAAAR more aware of Patagotitan even if they don’t know the name

[slim flare]

How?

[coarse inlet]

Like it’s made it into Onion articles

[hollow flower]

Has it?

[silver steeple]

I mean by virtue of being in both the AMNH and FMNH technically maybe

But even then

[coarse inlet]

https://theonion.com/chicago-field-museum-director-uses-titanosaur-skull-to-1846207881/

[silver steeple]

You look up biggest dinosaur and its gonna pull up Argent

[coarse inlet]

It’s one of the most hyped dinosaur displays of this century

[silver steeple]

Which puts it head and shoulders above Patago

[slim flare]

Regardless, Hadro isn’t even top 5 Hadrosaurid

[quick ore]

Is Anchiornis the first dinosaur whose coloration we have been able to determine?

[slim flare]

Maybe not even top 10

[quick ore]

that could be another vivarium species for that pack idea

[silver steeple]

I think so?

[coarse inlet]

The Patagotitan exhibitions have had a huge impact on the general public

[hollow flower]

Might be controversial but I feel edmontosaurus already sort of covers the generic hadrosaur look

[silver steeple]

Either that or sinosauropteryx

[hollow flower]

now to the more experienced person its unique

[mint creek]

sinosauropteryx my beloved

[hollow flower]

But to the layman its fairly generic

[coarse inlet]

Edmontosaurins have a very different head from basal hadrosaurs

[hollow flower]

Or at the very least annectens is

[slim flare]

Isn’t it thought Hadrosaurus had a Gryposaurus-like snoz?

[hollow furnace]

yes

[quick ore]

Though this technique had been used and described for isolated bird feathers and portions of other dinosaurs (such as the tail of Sinosauropteryx), Anchiornis became the first Mesozoic dinosaur for which almost the entire life coloration was known (note that the tail of this specimen was not preserved).[2]

[coarse inlet]

Often reconstructed as such but we have only fragments of the skull

Definitely not an edmontosaurus type long face

[slim flare]

I think Maiasaura would be better

[coarse inlet]

Regardless Hadrosaurus is the best choice for an Appalachian herbivore and that’s a niche I would like filled

[shell sonnet]

There's a better, historically important, generic like hadrosaur that should make it to the game.

[slim flare]

It’s more popular, more relevant, far more known especially with ontogeny, and comes from a formation that may be filled out.

[silver steeple]

Eotrachodon up here has the best guess for what Hadrosaurus skull probably looked like

And here's Grypo for reference

[hollow flower]

Actually yeah Maiasaura is a far better analogue for generic hadrosaur

[coarse inlet]

Grypo would be really good to have

[silver steeple]

I really wouldn't call these especially similar in shape

[coarse inlet]

It’s in 3 formations we could use

Kaiparowits, Two Medicine, and Dinosaur Park

[late swallow]

Patago has pretty solid name power

[slim flare]

I put Saurolophus as the most important Hadrosaur to have as it evens out the saurolophines, is found in two important formations, was met by Nigel and looks rather unique compared to the other existing hadrosaurs.

[late swallow]

Like, a Patagotitan was in FMNH's main hall for several years

[shell sonnet]

Not much though and certainly not at Argentino's level.

[silver steeple]

^

[late swallow]

🤨

[slim flare]

Argentinosaurus is definitely the Titanosaur

[coarse inlet]

Patagotitan only doesn’t have as much name power as Argentinosaurus because it was displayed before it was named

[silver steeple]

I mean not really

[coarse inlet]

But THE titanosaur in the public imagination and the reason the general public knows what a titanosaur is, is Patagotitan

[silver steeple]

Its not had as much time to permeate the general concious in the same way

[slim flare]

Patagotitan was in The Stomping Lands and I think The Isle? Idk, it’s always been kinda second-fiddle

[silver steeple]

Especially since Argent is still the largest dino

[coarse inlet]

That’s Puertasaurus

[silver steeple]

You're thinking of Puertasaurus

[coarse inlet]

Most people don’t know that

[slim flare]

Starts with P, must be the same thing

[silver steeple]

Anyone that cares about "the largest dinosaur" does lol

[slim flare]

Ok yeah Patago definitely sucks then

[coarse inlet]

They know that “the titanosaur” was shown to the world as THE BIGGEST DINOSAUR EVER with a huge amount of pomp and circumstance

[slim flare]

Crazy JW had two different titanosaurs and it wasn’t any of these three

[silver steeple]

Google "the largest dinosaur" and its gonna pull up Argent lol

[coarse inlet]

Except the “titanosaurus” was obviously Patagotitan

[slim flare]

Obviously

[coarse inlet]

That’s what I’m trying to get across

[slim flare]

(How?)

[coarse inlet]

It was marketed as The Titanosaur, it made headlines everywhere

[silver steeple]

Ok

And if people know it as the titanosaur then that's what they know

[slim flare]

Is that actually your reasoning?

[silver steeple]

Regardless of what its based on

[late swallow]

It at the time was also thought to be bigger than argent

[mint creek]

PK should add animals based on how cool their name is, which is why Dreadnaughtus should've been the titanosaur pick

[silver steeple]

And its not anymore

[coarse inlet]

That’s part of it yeah there’s very little other reason to use Titanosaurus than the fact that “titanosaur” was the name the public knew

[hollow flower]

Not this again

[coarse inlet]

I swear to fucking god

[late swallow]

Also has a doc featuring Sir David Attenborough

[quick ore]

pineapple how many times do we have to say it

[coarse inlet]

Are you not listening to a word I’m saying

[silver steeple]

The one that almost no one watched

[late swallow]

Also the most complete >40t

[hollow flower]

Still I think Patago doesnt hold a candle to Argent

[coarse inlet]

Though trends CAN actually be useful here.

[slim flare]

Like it was announced in 2014. Do you think the writers thought back ten years to that?

I just assumed everyone refers to the biggest dinosaurs as titanosaurs and so they saw one named Titanosaurus and used it.

[late swallow]

And there goes the goalposts

[silver steeple]

I mean when you're arguing that something is better known there are gonna be goalposts

That's how popularity works

[slim flare]

Like JW Titanosaurus is just a generic giant titanosaur. Might as well be Argentinosaurus.

[silver steeple]

If this were another comparison like say music artist

[coarse inlet]

See the MASSIVE spike associated with the Patagotitan exhibitions

[silver steeple]

You're gonna compare their most popular songs by count of listeners

[late swallow]

I thought 80% of the player base has seen almost every documentary since 2006

[silver steeple]

We are not getting into this again

[slim flare]

But JWR wasn’t written in 2014 or even 2015

[coarse inlet]

This is what trends can be useful for, showing when certain terms get attention

[slim flare]

It written a decade later by people probably browsing Wikipedia

[coarse inlet]

Patagotitan popularized the term titanosaur

[hollow flower]

I doubt it

[coarse inlet]

That’s the point I’m making

It literally did

[silver steeple]

Yeah idk if that's the case at all

[quick ore]

(honestly that feels like it is giving the writers too much credit)

[late swallow]

It's the most phylogeneticly stable titanosaur

[silver steeple]

If that was true the group wouldn't exist lmao

[slim flare]

I think every giant titanosaur described every year is called a titanosaur and lauded as the biggest yet.

[shell sonnet]

I would like to point out that Dreadnoughtus was also named in 2014

[hollow flower]

An intruiging thing is Dreadnoughtus absolutely destroyed the stats when it was named

[slim flare]

But I do not think it’s associated with specifically Pata

[coarse inlet]

Once again when you’re using trends to determine WHEN something is given attention as opposed to a pissing contest between two names the data IS actually useful

[quick ore]

JWD Dread is so sauceless, I'm glad it got proper representation in PhP

[silver steeple]

Dread was super popular for a moment

[late swallow]

Dreadnoughtus is not in JWD

[hollow flower]

It is very interesting

[quick ore]

what? yes it was

[late swallow]

Wait I'm thinking rebirth

[silver steeple]

Especially cause it was believed to be the largest for a little while

[late swallow]

Carry on

[hollow flower]

If we add in Titanosaurus though things get even more explosive

[quick ore]

that's also a kaiju though

[hollow flower]

True

[silver steeple]

Not relevant in the last like 50 years

[hollow flower]

Although there is a seperate category for the kaiju

[coarse inlet]

Once again a pissing contest here really doesn’t matter

[silver steeple]

It literally hasn't shown up in major media since GvMG

[quick ore]

doesn't really matter to Kaiju fans

[silver steeple]

Like a couple comics I think but that's it

[coarse inlet]

What’s important is paying attention to what makes these jumps happen

[silver steeple]

It does matter in measuring trends

[hollow flower]

The intrigue here is the fact that Titano and Argent have a huge spike at the same time

[late swallow]

'Loom' what language is this in? And what does Loom mean in that language

[hollow flower]

Shortly after Dread is named

[silver steeple]

There's nothing in the time frame here that is relevant to the Kaiju to cause a spike like that

[hollow flower]

The spike is in may of 2014

[coarse inlet]

There’s a big spike for “titanosaur” with Dreadnoughtus but it goes back down. Maximo not only causes a bigger spike but it never goes back down to pre-Dread levels

[hollow flower]

Dreads jump is in september of 2014

[silver steeple]

Because its on display at 2 of the largest museums in the country

[coarse inlet]

YES THATS THE POINT

[silver steeple]

Notice how its specifically Maximo and not Patagotitan

[coarse inlet]

That’s the same thing

[silver steeple]

Patagotitan as a name doesn't have near the same status

Its not

[hollow flower]

I believe the may spike might actually be the foreshock of the Dread spike

[silver steeple]

One is the name of a genus and one is the name of a specimen

[hollow flower]

The articles from that time are about seemingly an unnamed specimen of titanosaur

[shell sonnet]

Dread was found in 2005

[late swallow]

And when you look up a specimen, what info do you get

[coarse inlet]

Yes

[hollow flower]

Im a little stupid

[coarse inlet]

Which is Patagotitan

[silver steeple]

So in other words

People know the animal

[hollow flower]

But tbf with the Dread graph being a flatline before said spike id have thought it was named then

[silver steeple]

Not the name

Which is what we've been saying the whole time

[hollow flower]

wait im stupid even more

I thought he said it was named in 2005

not found

Idiocy inception one may call it

Well either way it seems articles on it covered it for a bit before

[slim flare]

What even is the argument anymore?

[silver steeple]

Idk

[hollow flower]

Great question

[shell sonnet]

That we all love dinos

[late swallow]

You never do

[shell sonnet]

And we're passionate about them to argue on the internet

[hollow flower]

These are pretty interesting stats though I must say

[hollow furnace]

So people know titanosaurs, the group, are really big animals they can recognize, and of those Argentinosaurus is the one with the most specific name recognition as well as being recognized as the largest

[hollow flower]

Especially the Dreadnoughtus craze

[hollow furnace]

Seems like pretty compelling evidence Argentinosaurus is the best pick

[quick ore]

why are we even arguing this if Argentinosaurus is already in the game

[hollow flower]

Good point

[silver steeple]

https://tenor.com/view/shrek-shrek-meme-shrek-good-question-good-question-gif-7176451729184982026

[shell sonnet]

To put it another way, people know the name V-raptor but they sure don't know what it looks like. Hence why we got V-raptor instead of Deinon because name power.

[hollow flower]

This reminds me of carch talks but for animals that are already in

[silver steeple]

And Ovi over Citipati, Brachio over Giraffa etc

[shell sonnet]

Torvo over Mega is a big exception

[silver steeple]

You say that like they ended after Carcha

[silver steeple]

Pretty much

[hollow flower]

They certainly lost a huge amount of their steam

[silver steeple]

Even then I'd argue Megalo has kinda fallen out of favor

[shell sonnet]

It still has a lot of name power.

[silver steeple]

Its still the more popular name

[shell sonnet]

It's the first dino.

[hollow flower]

I must say I prefer Torvo quite a bit over Megalo

[silver steeple]

But like idk I feel like I haven't seen much said about it in a long time

[hollow flower]

Still a pretty cool dinosaur but Torvo I find is the superior version

[shell sonnet]

Also Carcahdonto over Giga.

[silver steeple]

And Torvo has only gotten more popular

[shell sonnet]

But hey, Spino.

[steep tulip]

Megalo hasn't been in the center of attention since the early 1900s where other theropods started taking the spotlight
Torvo at least got dinosaur revolution lol

[neat iris]

Give me Giga plz devs

[late swallow]

Dlc

[late swallow]

I had literally never heard of torvo before pk tbh

[steep tulip]

It wasn't and still isn't incredibly popular

[coarse inlet]

Yes that is what I have been saying from the beginning

[silver steeple]

Ok but if people don't know the name then it can't be more popular lol

[abstract compass]

superior choice.

[slim flare]

JPOG reference

[late swallow]

I swear nothing productive ever happens in here

[steep tulip]

But I feel like megalosaurus fame is mainly kept alive by dinosaur books and torvo is tied with animals like allo and stego so it kinda evens out

[silver steeple]

Correct

[coarse inlet]

I said more people know of it but not by name

[silver steeple]

And its not supposed to be productive

Its a containment field

[slim flare]

This is a species suggestion channel. What did you expect?

[steep tulip]

This is a suggestion channel where we speculate about stuff we are not even sure will see the light of day, so yeah

[coarse inlet]

Torvo is only famous because it’s been hyped up as a Jurassic T. rex type super predator

[hollow furnace]

This is the hole the devs dug to hold all the toxic waste

[late swallow]

I'm sure it's not supposed to be cyclical arguments that's just 7 people yelling at walls

[slim flare]

Yes it is

[mint creek]

I'm pretty sure it is

[median relic]

https://tenor.com/view/nothing-ever-happens-chud-chudjak-soyjak-90-seconds-to-nothing-gif-9277709574191520604

[slim flare]

That’s the whole point

[abstract compass]

Thats Sauro.

[silver steeple]

Its better here than anywhere else

[mint creek]

It's to keep the PK-Discussion channel clean because these arguments are inevitable

[late swallow]

Trur

[hollow furnace]

No, it's supposed to be timmy coming in and asking for Giganotosaurus for the #576th time

[late swallow]

It doesn't work

[mint creek]

It works far better than what we had before lmao

[silver steeple]

^

[shell sonnet]

Leave Timmy alone, he's innocent

[slim flare]

It’d be really cool if they added swimming and flying animals! I know I’m the first to suggest that and the devs have never even had that thought in their head! You’re welcome

[late swallow]

I do miss EZ's random mammals

[slim flare]

Arsinotherium good add???

[silver steeple]

As if it wasn't the same like 5 giraffids half the time

[hollow furnace]

Don't forget to randomly delete the message halfway through any further comment on it

[slim flare]

Or asking if they should add glupshitto with no further information

Like idk what that is, show a picture or explain why it’s cool?

[hollow flower]

Arsino is a pretty good animal to add

I find however that when one suggests an animal multiple times however its appeal gets sucked out very quickly

Sort of leaves a bad taste in the mouth

[silver steeple]

Yeah I'd have to agree

[hollow flower]

For example

Viatkogorgon

Never heard of it

But it being a possible semi aquatic gorgonopsid is pretty cool

Would be a neat vivarium creature

[quick ore]

again it wasn't just suggesting them it was saying "x animal is needed" and then never giving any reason aside from giving said species a silly nickname

[hollow flower]

but hearing it for a week straight leaves it slightly neutered

[quick ore]

agreed

[sinful coyote]

don't think we need to shit talk a kid who isn't even here anymore.

[digital pendant]

i agree

[hollow flower]

That is also true

[digital pendant]

was gonna comment on how you guys really liked to pick on some random kid

like seriously whats up with that

really deplorable behavior from many of you tbh

[ancient ibex]

-snip, not constructive, sorry-

[coarse inlet]

What point are you trying to prove here? And what does any of those things have to do with Patagotitan

[ancient ibex]

It is just a neat giant titanosaur? Although there was the doc on its excavation

Eh, sorry, neck has been killing me today and am cranky; not your fault

[inner wedge]

is tyrannosaurus in already?

[left spear]

We already have Zhuchengtyrannus

No need for Rex really

[inner wedge]

dang hope he's dlc at least

[shell sonnet]

I heard there's a paper in the works that might declare it nomen dubium. So chances are low.

[inner wedge]

why in the world should t-rex be nomen dubium

i bet it's the nanotyrannus mafia

[lean hound]

real

[hollow flower]

Honestly great suggestions

[lean hound]

mostly at least

there were a few unnecessary ones imo

[late swallow]

Simosuchus gives us Majungasaurus' formation

[hollow flower]

True

[steep tulip]

https://tenor.com/view/brock-lesnar-scream-if-you-love-venezuela-vzla-wwe-gif-12077502882913542184

Scream if you love maeravano

[shell sonnet]

And Masiakasaurus'

And the frog and Rapetosaurus

[late swallow]

https://tenor.com/view/screaming-gif-gif-13236175684798649698

[digital pendant]

i got so confused seeing this gif of my country and then seeing the convo about madagascar animals 😂

[hollow flower]

Falcatakely

[hollow furnace]

I love the toothcan

[late swallow]

Venezuelan, noted

[shell sonnet]

Does anyone have an idea about which would be the best formation/group for Deinotherium giganteum? There's just too many of them and I'm having trouble narrowing it down.