Community Species Suggestions

[smoky spear]

there were some post cranial materials assigned to nemegtosaurus

and they seemed distinct from Opisthocoelicauda

so they could be multiple sauropods in nemegt

[austere sparrow]

What's he armed with?

Give sniper rifle

[late swallow]

Dino_D-Day.exe

[hardy rock]

Postosuchus

[steep tulip]

Damn right

[plain knoll]

megalo basically lived one sad lonely life...

[austere sparrow]

😭

[plain knoll]

poor guy

i am megalosaurus in this point of life hahaha

[smoky spear]

At least it got untucked from being a waste basket that people kept throwing new theropods in

[flint sable]

fr

and at least it has paleontological signifigance, and also wins the award for being the most generic theropod ever

[shell sonnet]

That would be Allo

[wild relic]

Most generic when its sister taxon is Torvo

[flint sable]

I find it really funny how the first theropod we found was essentially the most generic one in the grand scheme of things, it also has a super generic name but thats not its fault

[smoky spear]

Allo at least has the crest

[flint sable]

crappy remains are definitely not helping it though either

[quick ore]

ok but You are the only one lumping it in with the likes of Deinotherium or Moeritherium. The original messages you were responding to were about elephants and elephant ancestors and you mentioned Arsinoitherium as if it were relevant to the conversation at all

no one was talking about elephant "relatives" except you

[shell sonnet]

Pretty much every large therapod that was at one point grouped under carnosaur used Allo as the basis for filling in the gaps.

[smoky spear]

Yeah but at least it has some standout features

[plain knoll]

at least allo had horns, so it isnt that basic

[smoky spear]

Megalo is pretty generic

[late swallow]

It didn't have horns, but rather small crests

Superorbital processes I think?

[flint sable]

Allosaurus also has going for it that it actually lived somewhere mildly interesting

with other interesting stuff too

[shell sonnet]

Meghan isn't complete and we don't have any parts of the upper skull for it or its close relatives

[plain knoll]

well the point is that because of that isnt that generic

[flint sable]

compared to Megalosaurus

[late swallow]

https://tenor.com/view/meg-gif-16533231623782317489

[flint sable]

but as I said above, megalosaurus's fragmentary nature is definitely not helping

this is what we havefrom it

[steep tulip]

Womp womp

[shell sonnet]

Again, Meghan is incomplete

[plain knoll]

morrison and lourinha formation is basically posterchild of generic mesosoic ecosystem

[flint sable]

pretty complete legs and hip structure, but essentially everything else is just little blips lmao

[plush nacelle]

Megalo is literally fun fact animal - did you know that it was the first described dino? 🤓

[flint sable]

its like we have a tiny bit from basically everywhere on it

[quick ore]

feels like it is a disservice to both ecosystems to call them generic

[plain knoll]

basically the center of mesosoic...

[steep tulip]

Missing the balls

[quick ore]

funniest full circle thing would be if we found soft tissue remains of Megalosaurus showing it had external testes reminiscent of those of humans/other mammals

[flint sable]

ture....

[plain knoll]

for some reason, megalosaurus stayed as oldschool depiction like in that brittish movie "the lost world(2001), this really shows it used to be basically little torvosaurus

[quick ore]

or maybe Iguanodon had a keratinous rhino-like horn on its nose lol

[smoky spear]

It basically still is for the most parts

[flint sable]

mayhaps

also

yk what would be really funny

if someone names like

an extinct iguanid

Iguanadon

with an A instead of an O

can you do that or is that not allowed

[plain knoll]

i love it that way

the monad of tetanurans (i horgot wheter megalos were classified as tetanurans)

[late swallow]

Iczn says no iirc

[flint sable]

aw

☹️

[ancient ibex]

Megalosaurs are tetanureans and not vanilla ones tho

[plain knoll]

okay, we dont need to hurt megalo's feelings

[austere sparrow]

https://tenor.com/view/manatee-self-conscious-feeling-fat-clothes-don't-fit-weight-gain-gif-3549267200505425717

Behold

An elephant ancestor

[flint sable]

I mean

ancestral manatees and ancestral elephants look

shockingly similar

if you go back far enough

[austere sparrow]

https://tenor.com/view/elephant-shrew-shrew-mouse-weird-mouse-thing-funny-little-guy-gif-6780124121645171407

Elephant ancestor in chat

[steep tulip]

Elephant shrew

More elephant than shrew lol

[austere sparrow]

Yes, it's one of the ancestral elephants, alongside Manatee and Arsinoitherium

[flint sable]

earliest elephants and sirenians

[late swallow]

I'm wrong

[flint sable]

the main difference is the basal proboscideans seem to be reconstructed with trunks and less chonky tails, but are otherwise very similar

[late swallow]

See: Deinocheirus [Theropoda] and Dinocheirus [Chernetidae]

[flint sable]

yay

time for Iguanodon (Ornithiscia) and Iguanadon (Iguanidae)

[austere sparrow]

Kentrosaurus (Thyreophora) and Centrosaurus (Cerapoda)

[waxen grail]

*Ceratopsidae

[low bridge]

We need goobers like Nuralugus Rex, Ceratogaulus

[slim flare]

Camptosaurus (Ornithopoda)
Camposaurus (Coelophysidae)

Remember what they took from you

[plush nacelle]

https://tenor.com/view/speechless-smoking-man-old-man-smoking-old-guy-smoking-old-man-cigarette-gif-16836230630449212567

Imagine showing zoo game player animal model and then cut said animal

[plush nacelle]

Isnt it from pre-kickstarter days?

[hollow furnace]

Yes

Back when he frolicked with patcher and trike

[late swallow]

Is that

Centro

[hollow furnace]

Yes

[late swallow]

Hit every branch

[neat iris]

Some of this concept art is over a decade old

[slim flare]

Anyone have the original version of this?

[hollow furnace]

I don’t have the original but I have one without the big logo

[late swallow]

Oh my God that pachy

It's so....

[hollow furnace]

It’s the patcher

[slim flare]

Tbh I like it

[hollow furnace]

Same

Would be cool if we got a reference or remake skin if/when we get him

[slim flare]

Yeah

Pachycephalosaurus not being on any version of the EA list was always weird

[quick ore]

is fluffiness in Pachycephalosaurs out of the question, like in any amount?

I love the aesthetic of it in some recons

gives goat vibes

[shell sonnet]

neither was Apato or Giga

[faint oak]

Fr

Could def work well with a modern touchup

[slim flare]

No

[faint oak]

I just hope that if Ornitholestes ever comes back that it gets the og skin

My goat….

Those early concept art skins were touch and go but when they hit they HIT

[smoky spear]

damn its 6 ft under

[faint oak]

Fossilized 🥀

[slim flare]

Ready to be dug up

Extracted

Cloned

Abused

And sent back to the Earth

[steep tulip]

wouldnt say out of the question completely, maybe less likely, at least as it stands rn

[steep tulip]

Pachycephalosaurs really appeared out of nowhere at the end of the cretaceous lol

[late swallow]

I don't think proper feathers likely, but I could see quills akin to Psittacosaurus

[flint sable]

I could definitely see that

especially since basal ceratopsians and basal pachycephalosaurs look so similar I dont think its an impossibility

especially on a similar spot on the tail like Pssitacosaurus had

[tidal flame]

Wanted to ask again what people thought of Afrovenator

[ancient ibex]

Kinda meh? Megalosaurus cruises by historical importance and being pretty much a 4th Torvo

[tidal flame]

I can see that

also very similar to Allosaurus is over all body shape

[shell sonnet]

Yeah no, these are quite a bit different.

Afro also shares a locale with Jobaria (which is a cool sauropod) and is much less fragmentary than Meghan.

Acutally, Afro's skull whilst elongated like Torvo's, doesn't seem as thick

[late swallow]

Left, is that fragilis, or recently reallocated to jimmadseni

[shell sonnet]

Jim

[late swallow]

Thats not MOR 693, is it?

[shell sonnet]

It is

It's Hartman's work

[late swallow]

Shit I'm rusty

literally my favourite specimen because of the documentary and the paleopathologies

[ancient ibex]

That's theropods by size pretty much tho; they get thicker skulls with size

[flint sable]

by the time the recently extinct DLC comes, vaquita will be extinct

therefore

I think Vaquita should be in the recently extinct DLC

pros: its a fully aquatic creature, and could be the first cetacean

con: sad

[faint oak]

Must believe in them

If the silly dodo island falcons can recover from 3 individuals the whales can pull it off with 10……

I have to…..

[flint sable]

?

dodo falcon?

[buoyant vault]

that would make me start sobbing bro

[left spear]

Talking about the Yangtze for a RE part 2 The paddlefish and probaly Baiji would be great additions as sad as they would be

[shell sonnet]

Chinese Gharial

[drowsy rapids]

My suggestions for creatures: Carnotaurus, Chalicotherium, Inostrancevia, Kelenken, Miragaia, Borealopelta, Mononykus, and the 🦤

[slim flare]

Pretty good

[drowsy rapids]

I’d say stuff like Stegosaurus, Allosaurus and other big names not in game but I’m certain those are coming lol

[quick ore]

I think the RE dlc is going to be too soon to add any aquatics or fliers too large for a terrarium

[drowsy rapids]

When was this DLC confirmed? This is new to me

[hollow furnace]

A few months ago, only in the discord though

[hollow furnace]

And yeah, Allosaurus and Stegosaurus are both confirmed

[drowsy rapids]

Is there a list of confirmed creatures somewhere here? I am only really familiar with the news outside of Discord right now

[hollow furnace]

Allosaurus (fragilis, jimmadseni, europaeus, and Saurophaganax), Stegosaurus, Baryonyx, Utahraptor, and the four revealed terrarium animals (Compsognathus, Yi, Tiktaalik, and Simosuchus) are all confirmed

And Dimetrodon, Carnotaurus, Quagga+wild horse, and Moa are all effectively confirmed

[drowsy rapids]

Oooh Moa and Quagga, nice

[hollow furnace]

Yeah, for a recently extinct DLC

[drowsy rapids]

I’d like to see the Thylacine, Bluebuck, Great Auk and Stellar Sea Cow in that

Aurochs too

[hollow furnace]

Stellars sea cow is pretty unlikely since it’s going to be one of the first DLCs, before they do aquatics

But it’d be great to get at some point

[drowsy rapids]

Thinking about it now with what’s confirmed, the only real big dino omissions I can think of are Pachycephalosaurus, Ceratosaurus, Therizinosaurus, and Giganotosaurus

[shell sonnet]

Dippy

[drowsy rapids]

I am happy with the amount of sauropods, hadrosaurs and ceratopsians tbh

[shell sonnet]

Nah, sauropodmorphas aren't even close to getting most of their diversity in the game

[drowsy rapids]

If we got more sauropods I want the weird ones

Amargasaurus, Nigersaurus, Bajadosaurus

[shell sonnet]

Bajadosaurus is a fragmentary and lesser Amarga

[drowsy rapids]

Fair. I’m not a big sauropod guy so having about 7 different ones to choose from in game now works for me

Counting the Camarosaurus species

[shell sonnet]

Massospondylus carinatus
Patagosaurus fariasi
Shunosaurus lii
Jobaria tiguidensis
Mamenchisaurus youngi
Amargasaurus cazaui
Nigersaurus taqueti
Mierasaurus bobyoungi
Saltasaurus loricatus
this covers quite a few of the missing parts of the Sauropodamorpha
Also Dippy as well

[drowsy rapids]

I am a ceratopsian man but I would rather have a variety of different creatures than 12 of the same family to pick from

[slim flare]

Sauropodomorphs: x14
Saltasaurus
Argentinasaurus
Brachiosaurus
Europasaurus
Camarsaurus
Diplodocus
Apatosaurus
Amargasaurus
Nigersaurus
Mamenchisaurus
Shunosaurus
Lessemsaurus or Antetonitrus ?
Plateosaurus
Thecodontosaurus or similar

[drowsy rapids]

Saltasaurus and Shunosaurus I could go for

[shell sonnet]

I should throw in Eoraptor as well

[crystal frost]

Torosaurus, Arrhinoceratops, Eotriceratops, Ojoceratops, and Nedoceratops :)
Tatankaceratops, Agathaumus, Ceratops, Polyonax, Claorhynchus, Ugrosaurus, Sterrholopus, and my favorate Ceratopsid Bison alticornis.

[slim flare]

I put it on a separate list

[slim flare]

Nedoceratops? Are you trolling?

[crystal frost]

Yes.

[drowsy rapids]

My favorite ceratopsian is already in game, but if I had to pick a couple more I’d want Centrosaurus, Torosaurus and Diabloceratops

[shell sonnet]

Medusaceratops lokii
Chasmosaurus belli
Pentaceratops sternbergii
Zuniceratops christopheri
Leptoceratops gracilis
much more diverse choice set

[drowsy rapids]

Other species randomly coming to mind: Camptosaurus, Crylophosaurus, Postosuchus, Glyptodon, Scutosaurus, Lystrosaurus, Cervacles, Longisquama, Austroraptor, Olorotitan, and any species of ground sloth

[toxic oriole]

Hmmmm

Mesozoic Mammals

[drowsy rapids]

Repenomanus (or however you spell it, I’m half awake lol)

[toxic oriole]

Replace the n in "manus" with an m

Juramaia, largest rodent of the mesozoic

[drowsy rapids]

Didelphodon from WWD

Castorocauda

[shell sonnet]

Cervacles is redundant with Megaloceras; if you want another deer like animal in the game, there's plenty of better ones to choose from

[drowsy rapids]

I just have a soft spot for it

[left spear]

Candicervus would be Amazing

The smallest species

[drowsy rapids]

Bramatherium or Sivatherium would be nice

[quick ore]

it didn't live/look like it did in WWD ftr

would have lived more like an otter

[slim flare]

“Cervalces is redundant with Megaloceros” is a wild fucking statement

[quick ore]

that would be like telling someone that adding moose to PZ is redundant with wapiti already in the game

[slim flare]

It’s not like we have 3 distinct hadrosaurids or 4 ceratopsids already

But God forbid 2 cervids

[quick ore]

also neither of those choices are cervids at all even though there are good options for other cervids

How would y'all feel about Chapalmalania? I think a bear sized procyonid would be a cool niche option for the game and also add some SA diversity as well as the only real option for a Procyonid in the game

[silver steeple]

I'm a big fan personally

Would love a silly bearcoon

[quick ore]

real

[silver steeple]

Could probably throw it on the ursus rig with ease

[quick ore]

with some added tail animations

[silver steeple]

Yeah

[quick ore]

and cute water washing animations

[silver steeple]

PK rigs are very versatile

Deinocheirus and rex are on the same rig for example

[quick ore]

also its babies would be adorable
do all baby procyonids chitter or is it just raccoons?

[quick ore]

wait fr that's hilarious

[silver steeple]

Good question

[quick ore]

https://www.researchgate.net/figure/Strict-consensus-tree-from-19-most-parsimonious-trees-recovered-by-heuristic-search-of_fig5_265735818

here's a phylogenetic tree from 2014

from a cursory glance at youtube videos it seems that a lot of procyonids make high pitched squeaks but raccoons may be somewhat unique for their trills

not entirely sure though

[silver steeple]

Devs would do whatever they want in the end anyway

Wouldn't put too much thought into something like that

[quick ore]

might make sense for Chapalmalania if they pulled from various procyonid species to make their vocal repettoire

[silver steeple]

Probably that + making it deeper yeah

[quick ore]

ye

could even use other caniform noises for additional sounds

[slim flare]

We don’t even have dire wolves, that thing is never coming

[silver steeple]

We don't have dire wolves yet

[quick ore]

you can say this for just about any extinct carnivoran, we're just speculating

plus I don't think Chapalmalania would be a bad choice by any metric

[slim flare]

Except steppe lions…

[quick ore]

besides sparassodonts I think Chapalmalania is the most likely choice for an extinct SA mammalian carnivore unless I am forgetting something else

oh uh

I guess they could do Macroeuphractus

[silver steeple]

Thylacosmilus

Smh

[slim flare]

Smh

[quick ore]

that's a sparassodont

[silver steeple]

Its an extinct SA mammalian carnivore

[quick ore]

reread what I said

[silver steeple]

Oh whoops

[quick ore]

lol

[silver steeple]

Missed that somehow

[slim flare]

Does Arctotherium count

[quick ore]

I mean I guess

[slim flare]

Also warrah

[quick ore]

oh

[silver steeple]

Thylacosmilus is the only sparassodont worth adding anyway

[quick ore]

I forgot that since it's from an island

[slim flare]

I mean, not really

Like it was also on an island

[quick ore]

truthfully the only other one that I would warrant an inclusion would be Proborhyaena

both for being the largest sparassodont and for being the largest known carnivorous metatherian ever

[slim flare]

Protocyon would be awesome

[quick ore]

oh it wasn't endemic?

[slim flare]

Warrah is a mainland species

It was introduced by humans to an island

[quick ore]

ohhhh

[plush nacelle]

There was mainland species

[slim flare]

They’re the same species

[quick ore]

so I guess considering this if you did a list of most to least likely SA carnivorous mammals it would be like:

1. Thylacosmilus
2. Arctotherium
3. Warrah
4. Chapalmalania
5. Proborhyaena
6. Protocyon
7. Macroeuphractus

I only put Macro so low because I have doubts about it as a good exhibit animal and for it being added instead of the many other extinct armadillos

[slim flare]

Protocyon so low 😞

Protocyon really has 0 public exposure

[quick ore]

me putting it low doesn't mean I don't agree that it would be a cool choice

it just feels less likely

[slim flare]

I know

[quick ore]

my friend assumed that the dogs from that one episode of Primal were meant to be Protocyon but that is probably just their paleo-brain making a connection when there wasn't one

and if it was supposed to be Protocyon there isn't anything confirming whether they were or not

the wiki says they may have been meant to be borophagines but idk about that either
https://primaltv.fandom.com/wiki/Wild_Dogs

[slim flare]

They’re just painted wolf vibes

Which fit Protocyon but are likely a coincidence

[quick ore]

ye

the show did give them hyena sounds though but that is likely just ignorance of the fact that hyenas aren't dogs rather than a deliberate choice to allude to borophagines

[left spear]

Since there was been quite a bit of Talk about It as of recently here's my RE wishlist

RE:

Wild Horse + Quagga + Hippidion principale

Raphus

Thylacinus

Dinornis novaezealandiae + Emeus crassus + Anomalopteryx didiformis

Pinguinus impennis

Hippotragus leucophaeus

RE part 2:

Hydrodamalis

Psephurus

Neomonachus tropicalis

Hieraaetus moorei

Bos primigenius

Chelonoidis abingdonii

Minis and micros (i didn't know where to put them, so either in the dlcs or in a RE mini edition):

Melomys rubicola

Ectopistes migratorius

Pteropus tokudae

Urolophus javanicus

Conuropsis carolinensis

Pipistrellus murrayi

Camptorhynchus labradorius

Gigarcanum

Coregonus fera

Bolyeria multocarinata

Golden toad (Micro)

Yunnan lake newt (micro)

Melanoplus spretus (micro)

Libythea cinyras (micro)

Glaucopsyche xerces (micro)

Achatinella apexfulva (micro)

[quick ore]

part 2???

[left spear]

For hábitat species i went for the obvious choices, with minis and micros i tried to Focus more on variety, would have Liked to add a anemonae but there were no good condidates

[left spear]

We are probably getting RE before Aquatics and flyers

And we can't have RE without Stellers and haasts

So i think it's likely we are getting 2 REs

[slim flare]

I highly doubt that

[quick ore]

yeah

[left spear]

Then no stellers or haasts, or RE gets delayed like 2 years

[quick ore]

if anything, additional RE species would come in a pack that they also align to the them of

[slim flare]

You act as if there’s no other option

[quick ore]

Steller's and Pouakai are not mandatory inclusions

[left spear]

I'd rather have 2 REs than have them in other packs they don't fit that well into

[left spear]

Unbased

[slim flare]

(Yes they are tbh)

[quick ore]

they aren't worth Delaying The Pack

like they aren't That mandatory

[left spear]

Stellers can't go in any pack really (artoc pack is a joke lets be real) and haats wouldn't fit that well in a mostly mini Oceanía pack

[left spear]

They are

[slim flare]

Haast’s eagle is largest known eagle regardless of when it went extinct, it wouldn’t be odd to see it with the fliers

[left spear]

Both are extinction icons

[quick ore]

also there is like, zero way Aurochs would get added that much later this game loooooves mammoth steppe species

[left spear]

Eh i'd rather have either of the 2 vultures and pelagornis as the birds

[slim flare]

You act like aurochs live on the mammoth steppe smh

[left spear]

Aurochs are very unrelated to anything, they can appear in any momment really

[quick ore]

it doesn't matter how iconic they are, and I am not disputing them being iconic, but you can have a dlc that sells gangbusters without them

[quick ore]

oh whoops

may have mixed them up with steppe bison my b

[left spear]

Still would be weird, i just think it's better to put them Both on the same dlc series.

Besides is there any issues with there being a RE part 2

[quick ore]

@left spear if dlc packs have only 4-6 exhibit species included you could have an RE species pack sell amazingly without them included at all

they literally wouldn't even be necessary

[left spear]

Yes, that's why they are not on part 1

And part 2 has a Focus on them

[quick ore]

I don't think you are listening to what I am saying

[left spear]

I don't see how

Explain It as if i were a 6 years old

[plush nacelle]

Somehow everyone skips upland moa

Despite being the second best one

[quick ore]

Thylacine, Moa, Dodo, and Quagga would sell amazingly well

[quick ore]

I WAS GONNA SAY THIS

[left spear]

Mostly went for different sizes tbh

[left spear]

Yes?

[quick ore]

it is the most obvious choice besides Dinornis

[quick ore]

they don't need Pouakai or Steller's to be selling points

[left spear]

Again i don't see the point, they have their own DLC

[left spear]

They dont because they are different dlcs

[quick ore]

I feel like it is simply unlikely for them to do a full blown rerun of a dlc theme

instead of making a new one

[left spear]

I don't see why, those species are extremely popular

It wouldn't be financially dangerous at all

[quick ore]

I am not saying they wouldn't add said species

I am saying they would be added in some other pack

[slim flare]

So they’d just be in the flier and aquatic expansions

[quick ore]

like, for instance, a "fliers pack-

yeah exactly that

[left spear]

You want a 20 species 50€ DLC?

[slim flare]

?

[left spear]

Flyers and aquatics can't have everything

[slim flare]

What are you yapping about?

[quick ore]

do you think games are made like ZT2 still? 💀

[left spear]

Unless you do a part 2, but then it's literally this

[plush nacelle]

Steller sea cow can cry while having to compete with all aquatic animals out there

[slim flare]

Oh no 1 new species to each

[plush nacelle]

For spot

[slim flare]

The roster is going to explode

[quick ore]

I will be honest I'm not even sure if Steller's would be that good of a species functionally in game, like they didn't dive

[slim flare]

So?

[quick ore]

well it would make their interaction in aquatic exhibits less complex

just a thought

[left spear]

Also them never diving is not a rule

[slim flare]

???

Yes it is

Adults at least were physically incapable of submerging completely

[quick ore]

yeah that was like their whole thing

[plush nacelle]

Just because steller sea cow is going to make in with all marine reptiles and everything else out there. Its best chance is RE pack

[slim flare]

Reread that

[quick ore]

it is basically soft deconfirmed then

[left spear]

Uhh no?

[quick ore]

because there is no way the RE pack, the first dlc pack, will have aquatics

[left spear]

Hmmm how could we fix that

maybe a rerun

[quick ore]

fix?

[slim flare]

Bruh it’s never going to happen

Please just drop it

[quick ore]

can you point to a single other game like this that ever did a literal rerun of a dlc pack concept

[slim flare]

And PK won’t have nearly as many as Frontier

[quick ore]

yeah why would they ever redo a dlc pack concept instead of doing something else

and again

no one is saying they would never touch RE species again, but they would likely be a part of something else

say, for instance, an "island species pack"

[left spear]

Literally a wishlist

[quick ore]

to include the likes of Malagasy animals and more species from places like Mauritius or Aotearoa

[left spear]

More of a Madagascar/Indian ocean pack

[quick ore]

I only mentioned those as examples

there's plenty of other islands they could use

namely Hateg

or Crete

[left spear]

Eh i'd separate mesozoic and Cenozoic islands

[quick ore]

why

[left spear]

Wayyyyyyyy too many animals

[quick ore]

I think a pack with more diversity would sell better

[silver steeple]

If we get full aquatics and no Steller's Sea Cow that would be devastating

Especially since it was in the original concept for RE

[quick ore]

I understand

but unless they changed plans it isnt coming in the RE pack

[silver steeple]

Which ain't a huge deal imo

[quick ore]

yeah

[left spear]

You wanna have Hatz, Magyaro, Majunga, Masiaka, Archaeoindris, Elephant Bird, Cygnus falconeri, Paleoloxodon falconeri, ornimegalonyx and others in the same pack? You can but It would be very messy

[silver steeple]

But not at all would be really disappointing

[quick ore]

no

I think the pack can have species from multiple times

[silver steeple]

Agreed

[left spear]

Idk if they do packs i'd rather have them follow a theme, Frontier dlcs were very hit or miss because they were extremely random

[quick ore]

but those are not all mandatory

also Paleoloxodon falconeri is like the easiest alt they could do it doesnt have to come in a dlc pack

[left spear]

Fair on that

[plush nacelle]

Imagine dwarf elephant moving like 10t+ animal lmao

[quick ore]

I mean they wouldn't be like that but I doubt they could gallop

[silver steeple]

It would just be based on the baby model

Like Juxia

[quick ore]

yeah

anyways i gtg to bed gn y'all

[left spear]

Enjoy your rest coma

[toxic oriole]

Somethings missing

Oh I know

...

The Kauai O'o

😔

[silver steeple]

Meh

Really only famous for the one recording

[toxic oriole]

How the hell does that not make you sad?

[silver steeple]

I didn't say it didn't

But a single mating call recording does not a whole animal make

[toxic oriole]

I'd rather take Hawaii stuff too

[sharp dock]

I'd say the hawaiian honeyeaters are definitely iconic and deserving of being represented

specially the Kauai O'o

[left spear]

For a hawaiian species i just went for a snail

[toxic oriole]

That was the last one

[sharp dock]

which is dumb

[left spear]

Not only are there a shit ton of them (all because of wolfsnail) but it's really the only way we are gonna get a snail

[sharp dock]

plot twist I don't think we would ever get a snail?

like, snails are way too smol

[silver steeple]

There's like a fuckton of cool extinct hawaiian fauna and you picked a snail?

[toxic oriole]

... A snail

[left spear]

That's why it's a micro

[toxic oriole]

Y'know what, I'd rather take the damn bird over the snail

[silver steeple]

Coulda thrown in the mole duck or nene lmao

[sharp dock]

what the fuck is even a micro

[silver steeple]

Copium

[plush nacelle]

What about giant marine snail in terrarium?

[toxic oriole]

Sea snail?

Hmmm

[sharp dock]

for hawaii the top contenders are moa nalo, mole duck, kauai mo'o and laughing owl

[left spear]

Well for things like titanomyrma and such minis are way too big

[sharp dock]

"so I just made it up for cope"

[left spear]

Si hopefully we would get even simpler exhibits for the tiny guys

[left spear]

Yes

Again

[toxic oriole]

Well theres uhhhh

[left spear]

It's a wishlist

Not a realisticlist

[sharp dock]

definitely more wish than list

[toxic oriole]

For a snail, theres Campanile giganteum
Sea snail to be more specific

[sharp dock]

🗿

[sharp dock]

ok heres my list
Kelenken

[sharp dock]

haha, hodari artwork

opinion dismissed

[left spear]

Very recently extinct

[plush nacelle]

There is nothing else regarding this snail 🗿

[toxic oriole]

You want recently extinct animals?
YOU FORGOT ABOUT THE PYRENEAN IBEX

[left spear]

Subspecies

[toxic oriole]

Yes, despite it being not much for a goat, its more recent

[sharp dock]

that's a subspecies

[toxic oriole]

Eh

Fair enough

[sharp dock]

the spanish ibex is very much alive

[silver steeple]

So are Quagga

[left spear]

But we have Orange zebra so Ig not impossible

[sharp dock]

except orange zebra was at least visibly different

instead of

[plush nacelle]

Wait, knuppe made one

[sharp dock]

my black markings are slighly different

[left spear]

I mean yeah that i agree

still care about either

[sharp dock]

the mini I want the most....

[toxic oriole]

Lets see...

[silver steeple]

Ok that is kinda cool I will admit

[left spear]

Yeah giant Snail is cool

We only have the shell i image

[toxic oriole]

And its quite a big shell

For an eocene snail

[sharp dock]

hibbertopterus

[left spear]

Hibber tbh could be a full exhibit, only problem would be animations

[sharp dock]

and arthropleura

[sharp dock]

nah

also thanks for ruining my meme

[toxic oriole]

Hang on a bit

[left spear]

No problem 🫡

[sharp dock]

Simosuchus could perfectly be full exhibit yet here we are

[toxic oriole]

How about that one Bronze Age Crocodilian that was killed off in China or something?

... Is Mekosuchus even a good candidate for a recently extinct one?

[left spear]

Locomotion wise yes, but it's still very much mini sized

[sharp dock]

and hibber isn't?

🙃

[plush nacelle]

Very big shell- 120 cm in lenght is the biggest out there

[left spear]

Hibber is like 1.8m wide bruh

[sharp dock]

what

it's not

[silver steeple]

Hanyusuchus

[toxic oriole]

I guess that ones a little not too popular?

[left spear]

Very nice choice then, Big weirdo.

[left spear]

Popularity is the least important thing when It comes to adding animals animal

or atleast should

[toxic oriole]

Yeah there are other recently extinct animals

Some are just part of Panthera

And theres only two members ingame so far, Cave Lion and American Lion

[sharp dock]

animals get popular for a reason

like it or not

[left spear]

Debatable

[toxic oriole]

So why not add a Recently Extinct Tiger or something?
Yes, the actual Panthera member, Tigers

[sharp dock]

yeah in some aspects it might be debatable

[toxic oriole]

Just not too many tigers

[left spear]

I still think Quagga is lame and that if It had gone extinct in the mid 20th century no one would give a shit about it

[toxic oriole]

A select few

[left spear]

Or in the 1500-1600s

[sharp dock]

but chances are if the devs see a species thats cool there are higher chances it's a popular species rather than an obscure one

[plush nacelle]

It also would be very simple to make. I mean this is a snail. Not much to animate and it would be fun to see such big snail slimming around in terrarium

[left spear]

Yeah great DLC filler

I like It a lot

[toxic oriole]

Alright heres another candidate

One more closer to us

Pinta Island Giant Tortoise

LONESOME GEORGE

[left spear]

This one was on my list

On the second one

Only way we are getting a tortoise really

Maybe Meiolania too but they look nothing alike

[toxic oriole]

Unless they surprise us in one of the upcoming updates

[sharp dock]

Meiolania is so cool

me want

le meio

[left spear]

It has great alt potential too

[sharp dock]

ninjemys alt

[left spear]

And New Caledonian which makes it even more based

[toxic oriole]

Since the Pinta Island Giant Tortoise is an extinct subspecies of a specific Giant Tortoise... Which tortoise in general out of curiosity?

[left spear]

If we could only choose one Meio no doubt

[toxic oriole]

Oh, the Pinta Island Tortoise is an extinct subspecies of the Galapagos Giant Tortoise

[left spear]

Yeah

[toxic oriole]

And theres about 3 extinct ones, counting Pinta Island

[left spear]

I'm not too fond of subspecies but really this is the only way we are getting a more normal tortoise

I think there was a giant mediterranean one too but iirc It was quite fragmentary

[plush nacelle]

There are 2 fun species from mauritius

[left spear]

That would be cool too

Give Raphus a friend

Dodo-tortoise exhibits would go so hard unironically

[toxic oriole]

Hmmmm

[toxic oriole]

If theys gonna add snakes, they should probs start with smaller ones before working their way up to large ones like Titanoboa, Vasuki, or Madtsoia itself

[left spear]

I also really like the burrowing boa

[silver steeple]

No point, they'll all be in terrariums anyway lol

[left spear]

Save Palaeophis/pterosphenus

[inner wedge]

recently extinct dlc pack should include good AAA games

since the last of it's genus in captivity (bloodborne) died in a sony zoo in 2015

and the last pair in the wild (sekiro and dmc5) were bludgeoned to death by geoff keighley in 2019 being accused of "goty" status

[left spear]

Aren't there a few relic individuals, but yes very rare and extremely elusive.

[inner wedge]

hybrid individuals bred with their closer, invasive cousin species, as much value as colossal dire wolves

[low bridge]

Take Stupendemys

Or Megalochelys

[lost magnet]

We need more everything
More dinosaurs, more mammals, we need Pterosaurs, birds, marine reptiles, turtles, crocs, basal synapsids, amphibians, fish
More everything lol

[tepid panther]

I think it would be cool if we had aquatics like Mosasaurs and Basilosaurus

[cinder python]

The developers said they are thinking about it once the game fully releases and dose well

[lost magnet]

What about Sauropterygians and Ichthyosaurs tho?

[fresh ember]

I mean, that goes without saying.

[faint oak]

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mauritius_kestrel

[hollow furnace]

So Mauritius had a hawk too huh?

[faint oak]

https://tenor.com/view/horse-of-absolute-agreement-gif-13190399601485891974

[sharp dock]

https://tenor.com/view/seal-nodding-nod-yes-gif-13104955656287327486

[feral cedar]

[plain knoll]

i think that mesosoic animals should be focus tho, also devs dont promise adding flying and marine animals since working on their movements is complicated

[plain knoll]

also if deinosuchus is planned, probbably some aquatic movement updates are planned

[ancient ibex]

NGL, a second giant true deer could be neat asset reusage, both Cervalces and Eucladoceros have a niche, but of course more ruminant diversity would be very welcome

[plush nacelle]

Second deer would be interesting, but not when mammals are getting so little 🥀

[shell sonnet]

I think I've stated plenty of times that "living animal but bigger" doesn't interest me. That would apply to the big moose.

[ancient ibex]

It is not a big moose, it is a proto-moose, intermediate between more normal deer and the weirdness mooses are

[sharp dock]

eeehh it kinda still is

not full moose snout but still

[ancient ibex]

Not moose antlers either

[sharp dock]

Yeah it has cool antlerinos

[left spear]

For a second deer go candicervus

The small species

[sharp dock]

but so do a lot of extinct deer

candiacervus my beloved

[ancient ibex]

Candiacervus is a bit messy in terms of diversity, but then again, so is Megaloceros and thus we stuck with a species

[shell sonnet]

latifrons' are pretty close

[left spear]

Go for the highland species

[ancient ibex]

Yeah, Cervalces being ancestral and thus paraphyletic to Alces makes, erm, mooseness to be a gradient within it

[sharp dock]

See this is why I don't enter the deer rabbithole

or the deerhole

wait no 💀

that sounds awful

[digital pendant]

https://tenor.com/view/smiling-friends-psychicpebbles-smiling-friends-pim-pim-smiling-friends-crusty-gif-2385448551073129567

[ancient ibex]

Honestly, I kinda like Cervalces for some contrast with Megaloceros while representing the other major deer subfamily

Deer are weirdos

[sharp dock]

kill all deer

[ancient ibex]

Literally turning bone cancer into a sexual selection tool

What the crap

[sharp dock]

woops these ones are already dead! (good)

if they were alive id make em extinct myself grrrr 😡

[low bridge]

We need Thylacosmilus, Proborhyena

Cave Hyena

[sharp dock]

no we don't

https://tenor.com/view/corgi-sunglass-chill-corgi-sunglasses-beach-chilling-gif-27063538

[smoky spear]

https://tenor.com/view/morgan-freeman-true-morgan-freeman-true-nodding-gif-13973817878387504960

[lost magnet]

That's fair, but it'd be nice if they could
But it's Prehistoric Kingdom, not Mesozoic Kingdom, so...

[silver steeple]

Live reaction of AD having to deal with the average PK member first thing in the morning

[feral cedar]

https://tenor.com/view/true-truth-nuke-super-truth-nova-truth-meme-gif-16889273424352737553

[chrome wigeon]

Terrestrisuchus

[left spear]

Thylacosmilus is cool

[plain knoll]

fair enough but in this genre of media the name is quite irrelevant, most prefixes are "prehistoric", "dinosaur", "jurassic", "mesosoic", "premival", etc etc, be creative....or not, since in the media namings are quite repetetive though.

[lost magnet]

Fair point, but Paleozoic and Cenozoic animals still deserve their spotlight bc I get way less attention, as well as other Mesozoic animals that lived alongside the dinosaurs

[plain knoll]

for animals living alongside dinosaurs i agree, and various triassic unique species need spotlight too, but in my suggestion and oppinion its better to get the full spotlight of cenosoic and paleosoic animals in expqnsions and dlc's since main game is quite challenge, mesosoic should be the center of it. dont get me wrong, paleosoic life is very wast, unnoticed and interesting, cenosoic too for most point (late cenosoic, or precisely ice age fauna there start looking allready what we see today for most part so in my oppinion righ there they are most irrelevant)

ice age megafauna is more fit for games like planet zoo that focus on extant life and to add them in the expansions in their games, but i never played pz so i dont know, maybe they allready have their kind of prehistoric stuff

[digital pendant]

I dont know whats with the "focus on mesozoic and neglect the rest" mentality. Title of the game is Prehistoric Kingdom, thus it must reflect it with a good variety of animals from different ages. Sure dinosaurs are a big selling point, but people here underestimate what the average user actually finds interesting. The updates with cenozoics have been very well received and have not bogged down the game at all. The pokemon roster mentality that plagues this channel is a bit concerning honestly

[fresh ember]

Not to mention the Planet Zoo argument kinda falls flat with the fact that unlike PK, it has a bigger focus on wildlife conservation, and most extinct animals don't have much conservation value to begin with, if at all.

[digital pendant]

People put rosters from old games as a monolith, but honestly thats just because it was their first exposure to these type of games and held them in a monolithic spot for some reason

[plain knoll]

okay, i have hopes for this game, since i quite adore the way where its going, but this groupchat is for suggestions and discussions and different kinds of those who wollow updates and play this game have their own part and taste that they focus on, i just say my suggestions but its up to developers to decide, and i wont like the game less if its not exactly how would i want it to be, i'm just one of many here...dont think i disrespect your works, i just say my word and let it be

[digital pendant]

I wasnt referring to your message specifically, was a general message based on the conversation as a whole and past arguments over suggestions

[plain knoll]

okay, but point is same

[austere sparrow]

Not sure why the Arctic DLC concept gets hate tbh. Like, I do understand most people who write out a suggestion list actually want a polar pack, but you can use an Arctic DLC pretty neatly to shore up both the Recently extinct roster, and the boreal biome as a whole, after fliers and swimmer get added

[late swallow]

One very minor counterpoint, and hardly a counterpoint at that: the Mesozoic Era lasted roughly 3x longer than the Cenozoic has at this point. While the game could do with more ceno species, it is definitely understandable to have more dinosaurs than not

[quick ore]

I feel like it is better overall to approach future additions to the roster with the assumption that fliers and fully aquatics may never be added to the game, because that is a legitimate and very realistic prediction.

[austere sparrow]

Lemme cook up an Arctic DLC right now, actually. (Some animals might not actually be arctic but shush they fit the theme).
Steller's Sea Cow
Great Auk (Summer and winter skin with a different auk as a third)
Nanuqsaurus (yes, yes, I hear the groans, but people do ask for it a lot lol)
Cervalces (Unironically a pog addition. Not sure it was actually boreal or arctic but moose are so Imma just assume.)
Homotherium (With non-arctic species but pshhh)
Japanese Sea lion? (not sure this one actually got arctic)
Dire Wolf? (Not sure this one would somehow last this long going unadded and "tip of the glacial spread" might not count as arctic to. Most sensible people.)
Mini:
Labrador Duck

[austere sparrow]

Ouch. Sad but true.

[austere sparrow]

I mean, we did kinda ignore the Mesozoic non-dinosaurs (or cenozoic non-mammals for that matter) so far, so it feels a little bit silly to make an appeal to diversity 😔

[digital pendant]

cervalces was more swampy and less boreal

think of mastodon basically

[austere sparrow]

If we do assume the Mesozoic deserves extra rep then I would certainly hope to see some triassic weirdos and Crocodylomorphs soon

[austere sparrow]

Ah rip

Ass u me

😔

[digital pendant]

why not just do a tundra sort of dlc and that way you can have stuff like cryo and mylodon

[shell sonnet]

We'll just get Deinosuchus and that'll please like 3/5ths of the demand

[silver steeple]

Cryo didn't live in especially cold areas either

[digital pendant]

i mean im aware

[austere sparrow]

Tundra DLC would definitely be more sensible, Cryo refusing to live up to its name notwithstanding

[digital pendant]

neither did the prince creek animals but here we are

[austere sparrow]

But it would be silly to have fully aquatic animals in a Tundra DLC imo

[silver steeple]

I mean I think Cryo would get Boreal regardless

Just pointing it out since it was pointed out for Cervalces too

[digital pendant]

boreal as a biome in definition is mostly a cenozoic one tbf

[quick ore]

This kinda falls apart when we have only gotten 2 whole genera from the Triassic

[austere sparrow]

I guess chances are the name we'd end up with is probably "Boreal DLC" since that's what the game uses

[silver steeple]

Why do I keep wanting to call it Cervacles lol

Deer Heracles

[digital pendant]

chadly name tbf

[silver steeple]

Oh absolutely

[shell sonnet]

They'd put Crylopho in boreal because it's expected by most people; then again, I would have assumed similar things about Mutta.

[silver steeple]

Cryo irl would have lived in a temperate biome

[inner wedge]

i think polar dinos are fine and dandy cause they are cool and add to a biome that's always short in animals compared to the others

so yes, i welcome the accursed nanuqsaurus with open arms

[quick ore]

god imagine the controversy if they added Imperobator

[silver steeple]

Meh

[austere sparrow]

I love Imperobator conceptually, just wish it wasn't fraggy trash 🥲

[late swallow]

It really doesn't, dinosaurs didn't really take full prevalence until the End-Triassic extinction nixed their competition. But at the same time, they did exist in basal forms during the Triassic

[austere sparrow]

This is why we need more Dicynodontids/Archosauromorphs/Amphibians/etc

[inner wedge]

troodon already would get people here in a twist

[silver steeple]

Speaking of Boreal

[inner wedge]

(when we already have a dinosaur that doesn't exist anymore taxonomicaly planned for the game)

[austere sparrow]

Placerias at least? 😔

[inner wedge]

lisowicia is the cooler placerias

[silver steeple]

Ain't permian South Africa supposed to have been a boreal climate?

[austere sparrow]

Ugruunaluk

[silver steeple]

Sauro

[quick ore]

so then it isn't that the Mesozoic was a longer period of time it is just that the Mesozoic had the most dinosaurs because if the mesozoic's prevalence was due to sheer amount of time then we would see non-dinosaur species from times such as the Triassic too

but we haven't

yet

[austere sparrow]

Justice for the triassic 😔

[inner wedge]

would be cool to have those in game, maybe even with fluff

i remember an old dino book i loved to read in school had anteosaurus with a leonine mane

[inner wedge]

the triassic shringa-sucks

[quick ore]

Shringasaurus would be awesome

[silver steeple]

They almost certainly didn't have any kind of fluff from what I understand

[austere sparrow]

Placerias + Desmatosuchus would be great additions, especially if they could coexist with each other and fellow Chinle-ite Coelophysis due to "tiny Predator no problem" principle

[inner wedge]

implying prehistoric animals aren't just pokemon for the edgy kids

[quick ore]

the only evidence tmk that anything during the permian had fluff is a single coprolite fossil with traces of hairs

[austere sparrow]

Shringasaurus would be hella cool

[digital pendant]

so true

[steep tulip]

I need the triassic freaks

[silver steeple]

Well not a problem til babies are involved at least lol

[inner wedge]

pachy too but guess what perotorum looks like in game

[silver steeple]

Pachyrhino is a special case tbh

[austere sparrow]

Do we currently have any idea on who those hairs were likely from, btw?

[silver steeple]

Its based on ancient concept art

[inner wedge]

doesnt mean jack

[silver steeple]

Its basically "living" pk history

It does tho lol

[inner wedge]

no it doesnt

[silver steeple]

Ok buddy

[quick ore]

I think whatever pooped out said coprolite is what most likely had them but I forget

[steep tulip]

also heavily debated

so far we only have scales and bumpy skin from them

tho maybe the latter had them but didnt preserve

idk how possible is that, they would need to find follicles in the skin

[hollow furnace]

They’re more likely insect fibres iirc

[quick ore]

oh damn

[austere sparrow]

Insect fibres? I mean would track if true but that kinda feels like a "the feathers we see on dinosaurs are actually ferns they happen to lay on" tier cope

[steep tulip]

there was a paper that explained why that would be the case I think
I remember reading it

[late swallow]

if that's how you want to look at things

[smoky spear]

https://www.zmescience.com/science/news-science/the-worlds-oldest-armored-dinosaur-looked-like-a-walking-fortress-covered-in-spikes/

got reminded that this dude existed

[toxic oriole]

I'd ask for Zhuchengtyrannus, but theres already too much mesozoic stuff anyways

But then again, it doesnt really matter since peeps are gonna be wanting more

[wild relic]

And just saying would it actually be necessary since we already got Rex and Tarbo

[austere sparrow]

Zhuchengtyrannus?

[toxic oriole]

Only reason I say Zhuchengtyrannus is because of those larger specimens of the animal having been found, somewhat equal to the size of T-Rex

Or rivaling that of Sue

[austere sparrow]

I could see it having been a rex alt back in the day but I'm not sure there's much of a point to it now

[silver steeple]

He's a necessity in my book now

Literally one of those old ankylosaur toys

[toxic oriole]

A walking retrosaur toy?

[wild relic]

Oh yeah Spicomellus

The hedgehog of ankylosaurs

As I like to call it

[shell sonnet]

Once again people have got to stop jumping on new shit

[silver steeple]

That's outdated

[wild relic]

Oh

[silver steeple]

This includes new material

[austere sparrow]

RIP old Spicomellus, you were really adorable

[wild relic]

Wait that other image is the new reconstruction?

[steep tulip]

it isnt good, but maybe more will be found

[shell sonnet]

that is the new material

[silver steeple]

That's what I said

[shell sonnet]

I didn't post the holotype

[silver steeple]

The named bone is just a rib

[shell sonnet]

I know

[toxic oriole]

Eh, if an eventual Mesozoic China DLC ever gets made, I can see a few obvious headliners

[silver steeple]

Pretty sure this is the same individual

Which makes this whole thing the holotype

[austere sparrow]

Spicomellus is from Morocco? (ignore if that was an unrelated thought)

[toxic oriole]

Yeah it was unrelated or something

I think?

I might check

[silver steeple]

Anyway

[shell sonnet]

Incorrect

[toxic oriole]

Morocco is from North Africa

[wild relic]

Wait so this is what we think it actually looked like?

[silver steeple]

Ah I see

Doesn't matter one way or another

My point was that the new reconstruction is that

[silver steeple]

Yeah pretty much

[toxic oriole]

Okay I am not sure, is Repenomamus from China or somewhere close to it?

[wild relic]

Huh honestly reminds me of Anguirus

[late swallow]

That's sick as fuck

[toxic oriole]

If so, Mesozoic China DLC idea could include it

[wild relic]

Yeah China where it hunted Psittacosaurus

[shell sonnet]

It's fragmentary as all heck; people jumping on shiny new things

[toxic oriole]

Heard someone say something about that fossil being forged

[silver steeple]

Babies maybe

It almost certainly is

[silver steeple]

Its not that bad

[wild relic]

Didn't we find it hunting a big Taco?

[slim flare]

Jakapil 2

[toxic oriole]

Thats... The fossil in question

[austere sparrow]

Huh. It does kinda look like Anguirus.

[silver steeple]

There's at least enough to inform a semi complete idea of Spicomellus

[silver steeple]

As Devie and I said, that's almost certainly forged

[steep tulip]

yeah imo its enough to add it to the game
like this alone makes it interesting

[austere sparrow]

I mean it already has crazy ass spikes, wouldn't be surprised if the missing/inferred spikes were also crazy ass in unpredictable ways

[fresh ember]

Considering both Argentinosaurus and Carcharodontosaurus are ingame, I don't think being complete is really that much of a requirement as people think it is.

[toxic oriole]

I'll still take a Mesozoic China DLC to expand upon Psitaccosaurus and such

[silver steeple]

There's no way for several of those bones to end up where they would have been in life

[shell sonnet]

which could have been easily been proven if they included a skeletal rather than the fancy model

[toxic oriole]

But I don't wanna add too much to said DLC to make it seem like bloating

... Then again'

[silver steeple]

https://tenor.com/view/i-don't-know-idk-idk-about-that-gif-7336250873949261946

[toxic oriole]

Doesnt the game bloat enough already with Dinosaurs?

[steep tulip]

I mean, dinos are the main attraction, so it makes sense why there are many ingame

[shell sonnet]

Those two have name recongination that this thing lacks; I don't understand why people can't tell there's a difference between something you're average dino fan knows and something only paleo nerds do

[austere sparrow]

Definitely interested in seeing a Chinese Dino DLC. And imo go nuts with wishlists; we don't know how big individual DLC is actually going to be; and anything that doesn't make it in a dedicated DLC can come in through other ones

[hollow flower]

Me personally Id like to see more Paleozoics than either Meso or Cenozoics

[steep tulip]

also the chance of us getting spicomellus is pretty small I would say, just speculating around it

[toxic oriole]

Theres plenty of headliners

[slim flare]

Spicomellus missing like all the limbs and skull is… problematic

[toxic oriole]

Guanlong, I think is from China? Last I checked

correct me if im wrong

[shell sonnet]

It is

[quick ore]

wait really? :(

is there an article talking about said forgery?

[silver steeple]

Its the oldest known ankylosaur, its not hard to figure out a pretty good idea

[shell sonnet]

Same formation as Limu (and sort of Monolophosaurus)

[late swallow]

It's all china

[toxic oriole]

I mean, forged or not, theres no denying something like that COULD have happened in life

[late swallow]

All the way down

[silver steeple]

Not afaik but I'm sure you'll see something around if you look

[austere sparrow]

It is!

[flint sable]

possibly, but I think it got brought up somewhere with a ton of good points

[late swallow]

China and Mongolia have such wonderful fossil deposits

[flint sable]

its still definitely plausible that Repenomamus hunted Pssitacosaurus, but probably young

[late swallow]

-# And to think we thought the Gobi was non-fossiliferous

[slim flare]

If it’s oldest known one, that means it can be doing crazy shit. It clearly already was doing crazy shit.

[toxic oriole]

Mesozoic China DLC:
Guanlong
Repenomamus
Zhuchengtyrannus
Shantungosaurus
Yutyrannus
Yangchuanosaurus
Mamenchisaurus
Shunosaurus

I don't know if theres anything else to add

[flint sable]

especially R. giganteus (roughly the size of an American Badger) which is roughly twice the size of the much more common R. robustus (about the size of a virginia opposum I think?)

[flint sable]

good but I definitely also think this heavily depends on what we get during EA or later on

such as if we get Yutyrannus or not

[austere sparrow]

I mean, it's the oldest known one right now. Imagine if we announced it for ingame addition and then before it got completed, "whoops, turns out we discovered a fucking triassic Nodosaur somehow, despite how little sense that makes!"

[wild relic]

I'd honestly rather have something other than Zhucheng since I don't think it can hold its own and it's too late for it to be a rex alt

[silver steeple]

The most parsimonious assumption is always that the unknown pieces are as normal as possible

[flint sable]

if we dont, it should definitely be here

[late swallow]

Still need to fix

"Four"

[toxic oriole]

Fix what?

Got rid of it

[late swallow]

:p

[austere sparrow]

...You weren't lying when you said you didn't know many Chinese Dinosaurs, huh (/not hate)

[silver steeple]

In this case, its assuming an average head and legs for basal ankylosaurs

[toxic oriole]

I only know Zhuchengtyrannus from a game

[austere sparrow]

Zhuchengtyrannus made it into a game? Which one

[toxic oriole]

Dinosaur World Mobile.

Roblox game.

[wild relic]

Ah

[toxic oriole]

Said game has some inaccuracies anyway, specifically with the models of some creatures

[austere sparrow]

Right

[wild relic]

Yangchuanosaurus would be nice

[shell sonnet]

Honestly, rather go for a Shaximiao Formation pack instead of a broad china one: Shuno, Huyango, Mammechi, Tuoijiango, Yang, Gigantospino

[austere sparrow]

Roblox apparently has a crazy amount of dinosaur games but. I really do not want to lol

[silver steeple]

Yang gang

[toxic oriole]

Okay I think Qianzhousaurus is from China, last I checked

Correct me if I'm wrong

[austere sparrow]

Mamench and Shuno are must haves for a China or Asia pack assuming they don't make it in before then imo

[steep tulip]

Shaximiao alone could be its own dlc
Mamenchisaurus, shunosaurus, yangchuanosaurus plus like 3/4 different stegosaurs to choose from

[toxic oriole]

Alright what are the most popular Chinese stegosaurs?

[wild relic]

Shunosaurus is definitely one of my favorite sauropods

[toxic oriole]

And what are some of the most complete ones?

[steep tulip]

Then there's the other formation I forgot the name about
With limusaurus and monolophosaurus
Same one as guanlong

[shell sonnet]

Huyango, Tuijgano, and Gigantospino are I think the most complete

[austere sparrow]

Hot ish take but Shaximiao deserves the same level of love that Hell Creek is already getting 😭

...You know what scratch that

[slim flare]

4 species?

[austere sparrow]

Morrison. Shaximiao deserves Morrison levels of love.

[toxic oriole]

Is that an understatement or overstatement?

[slim flare]

It’s a statement

[flint sable]

its not really a fair comparison though, then the Morrison is half of a continent and spans for some 10 million years

[steep tulip]

And yixian could be its own dlc as well

Tho its mostly minis

[flint sable]

this I can definitely agree with

mini heaven

[toxic oriole]

Okay I want to balance out the DLC idea with stuff from Triassic, Jurassic, and Cretaceous

[austere sparrow]

I mean even best case scenario we're ignoring about half of Morrisons megafauna and all of it's minifauna so it seems fair to me

[late swallow]

Yes, give Mamenchisaurus

[wild relic]

And it doesn't help that Hell Creek and Morrison have very popular species found in them compared at least to shaximiao

[shell sonnet]

Huayangosaurus taibaii
Gigantspinosaurus sichuanensis
Tuojiangosaurus multispinus
Shunosaurus lii
Mamenchisaurus youngi/Mamenchisaurus hochuanensis/Omeisaurus tianfuensis
Yangchuanosaurus shangyouensis
For Shaximiao

[austere sparrow]

Wasn't Guan from Shaximiao too

[wild relic]

But depends what species of Mamenchi? Nevermind Pineapple answered for me

[slim flare]

No

[austere sparrow]

Omeisaurus snuck in, pog

[toxic oriole]

How many Mamenchisaurus members are there in general?

[late swallow]

All 4

[wild relic]

Shishugou

[slim flare]

Everyone keeps saying that smfh

[steep tulip]

Triassic china has dinocephalosaurus

[hollow flower]

Shishugou and Shaximiao get mixed up pretty often

[steep tulip]

Its all marine formations

[shell sonnet]

Shishugou Formation, same spot as Limu and Sinraptor (which could be a Yang alt)

[hollow flower]

And monolo if I remember correctly?

[late swallow]

https://tenor.com/view/anger-angry-break-gif-19098093

Terrible head lizard

[toxic oriole]

Is something funny about the name?

[steep tulip]

Silly guy

[shell sonnet]

To be fair, there is a Mamechi species in Shishugou

[late swallow]

Oyssc

[austere sparrow]

They suck at the naughty bedtimes

[shell sonnet]

yes, and no

[steep tulip]

Tanystropheus that went plesiosaur

[toxic oriole]

Even if its too late for Zhuchengtyrannus to be a Tyrannosaurus alt same for Tarbosaurus, I'd still like to see em at some point

[austere sparrow]

Wait for mods?

[slim flare]

^

[ancient ibex]

Eh

[steep tulip]

At best we get an alt dlc

With it as trex alt

[hollow flower]

Zucheng is something I see in the same category as Meraxes and Tyrannotitan of "Mid megatheropod that looks the same as a more popular genus"

[late swallow]

Inb4 "modders don't care about pk"

[hollow flower]

Which reminds me I saw a post on the jwe subreddit where someone asked for more megatheropods in that game

[austere sparrow]

Much as I would love an Alt DLC I'm not sure they'd bother adding Zhucheng in it anyway

[hollow flower]

That was pretty humorous

[steep tulip]

True lol

[smoky spear]

its like

[toxic oriole]

They did find LARGE specimens of the animal, some of which are close to or rival that of Sue the Tyrannosaurus in size

So uhhhh

[ancient ibex]

The large specimen to be described isn't really that compelling

[smoky spear]

a barely different tarbo in terms of animal diversity

[hollow flower]

Well yes its big

[austere sparrow]

Damn a megatheropod that's big

[hollow flower]

But like

[smoky spear]

i wouldnt want it

[austere sparrow]

😔

[ancient ibex]

pretty much tells us all three of rex, baatar and magnus got large

[hollow flower]

Its a Tarbosaurus version 2

[ancient ibex]

That's it

[austere sparrow]

T. mcraensis

pls

[hollow flower]

If you put them next to each other I couldnt tell the difference

[austere sparrow]

(For alt DLC that's not happening I mean)

[toxic oriole]

That shouldnt be surprising tbf

[ancient ibex]

Fuck Longrich

[austere sparrow]

Huh? What did Longrich do this time?

[ancient ibex]

magnus is likely ancestral to baatar anyway

[hollow flower]

Makes sense

[steep tulip]

Imagine being named longrich and living up to it lmao

[toxic oriole]

Alt alt

Wow

[slim flare]

We need Giganotosaurus, Mapusaurus, Tyrannotitan, Meraxes yesterday

[wild relic]

How about our two weirdos Brachytrachelopan and Atlasaurus, sauropod with the shortest neck and sauropod with freakishly long front legs

[hollow flower]

Hold on let me find that post

[austere sparrow]

Anyway about to summon the deer haters I guess but. Sleeper pick for Asia DLC? 🤔 (Sinomegaceros)

[silver steeple]

Altasaurus would be dope af

[slim flare]

Maybe

[steep tulip]

I want another deer

[silver steeple]

Goofy ahh sauropod

[austere sparrow]

Atlasaurus my boi

[steep tulip]

Not sure if this one necessarily, but wouldn't complain

[austere sparrow]

Giraffopod

[toxic oriole]

I don't get how Ha-Satan see's Mapusaurus, Giganotosaurus, Tyrannotitan and Meraxes as "Alts for Carcharodontosaurus"
Like, I don't understand

[flint sable]

I want another ungulate that isnt a rhinoceros

[silver steeple]

Atlasaurus my goat even

[flint sable]

basically a generic hoofstock a zoo would have

[hollow flower]

Found it

[flint sable]

thats not a small dinosaur but is an actual ungulate

[hollow flower]

https://www.reddit.com/r/jurassicworldevo/comments/1mi9n6l/hope_we_get_more_mega_theropods_for_evolution_3/

[slim flare]

I like how you quoted something I didn’t say or imply

[austere sparrow]

I mean if we got only one other deer I think I'd prefer either Eucladoceros (ZT2 nostalgia) or Candiacervus (cutie patootie) but Sinomegaceros pog

[steep tulip]

Macrauchenia u19 cope

[ancient ibex]

FWIW, the "Tyrannosaurus evolved in southern North America" from the mcraensis paper fails to address the elephant in the room that is Tyrannosaurus being more closely related to the Asian Tyrannosaurids than to any North American one; going on with weird tangents with teratophoneans that only Currie's matrix finds is not compelling

[slim flare]

Stag-moose

[flint sable]

since Megaloceros is albeit slightly more interesting than just "average hoofstock" seeing as its essentially the size of a moose

[toxic oriole]

I mean, I'm pretty sure I heard you say something SIMILAR to it before, though I could be misremembering things

[flint sable]

even that though, that guy is rediculously large

im talking about something in like

the gazelle/impala size range

[steep tulip]

Xenorinotherium

Oh

[flint sable]

not the elk/moose size range ideally

[flint sable]

or maybe comparable to like

[slim flare]

No, and what I just said was a joke

[flint sable]

whitetail or fallow deer idk

[late swallow]

I could go for Brachy

[steep tulip]

Hoplitomeryx or the other guy with the y horn

[flint sable]

he would be goated fr

[steep tulip]

Synthetoceras?

[flint sable]

hes like my top pick for the position

or Syndoceras

either one of those two

[toxic oriole]

This again...
Skeletally similar or something

[ancient ibex]

God I couldn't recall its name for a while last week

[steep tulip]

It's pretty great
Tied with hoplitomeryx for me tho

[hollow flower]

Carch and Giga being alts of each other I find a little odd

[ancient ibex]

They are more alike than Tyrannosaurus and Tarbosaurus

[toxic oriole]

If anything Giga should just be a non-alt species for the future, have Mapu be the alt

[hollow flower]

As for Giga, Meraxes, Tyrannotitan and Mapu being alts of each other is a different story

[late swallow]

In what way?

[steep tulip]

Meh

[ancient ibex]

The comparison is Carcha and Giga

[steep tulip]

They aren't that wildly different from eachother

[ancient ibex]

Carcha is half of the time closer to Giga than Meraxes

[austere sparrow]

Meraxes and Tyrannotitan are not alt material actually. Because to be alt material you need to have something to offer

[ancient ibex]

Meraxes is very complete

[austere sparrow]

Mapusaurus would be included but I guess it has "lives with Argentinosaurus"

[ancient ibex]

Far more complete than Carcha

[toxic oriole]

I hear theres larger specimens of Meraxes coming soon, said to rival that of Acrocanthosaurus

[hollow flower]

Carch and Giga are pretty popular animals, they should have more skins for themselves rather than have to share them between each other

[late swallow]

Carch is Giga without chin in like all representations

[steep tulip]

Idk I just don't want that many megatheropods

[late swallow]

Bar is in hell

[toxic oriole]

Alright lets even the odds with microtheropods!

[steep tulip]

Kinda tired of them

[wild relic]

Cranioceras

[austere sparrow]

Wow so it's even more like all the other big Megatheropods of the big Megatheropod family, what a wonderful selling point

[silver steeple]

So does Meraxes

[flint sable]

another great pick

[ancient ibex]

Which is a wild take seeing we don't have Carcha's lower jaw

And all of its closest relatives with it have a chin

[toxic oriole]

Taurovenator is still new, and a few games have implemented them or have mentioned it

[austere sparrow]

Damn, congrats for ascending to Mapusaurus equivalence

[flint sable]

Cranioceras, Prolibytherium, Syndoceras, Synethoceras, and Holpitomeryx, any one of those or anything similar would be peak

[steep tulip]

Keep pumping in the stegosaurs instead

[silver steeple]

Meraxes also has unique (afawk) physical traits

[late swallow]

We thought we did for like, 50 years?

[toxic oriole]

And for what its worth, it has a crest or something? Might have to double check the fossil material of Taurovenator just to be sure

[silver steeple]

Its more lithe than other carchs of the same dimensions and has the funny toe claw

[flint sable]

teeny horn

[austere sparrow]

Meanwhile here I am, having thought Carch was unneeded considering we already had Acro... 🥲

[ancient ibex]

FWIW, Meraxes and Giga are quite complete and different

[late swallow]

You're not incorrect

[toxic oriole]

So Giga is longer, and Meraxes is not so long?

What even is the opposite of long?

[austere sparrow]

...Those two literally look like they could be part of the same growth series

[ancient ibex]

Hip

[late swallow]

I...

[austere sparrow]

short

[silver steeple]

https://tenor.com/view/lie-detector-gif-9388384639890532829